Speaker 1: Cults are both a fascinating and terrifying topic to be
Speaker 1: an outsider, looking in and examining how they form and
Speaker 1: function can be extremely thought provoking, while being brainwashed into
Speaker 1: one can be life changing and terrifying. Today we talk
Speaker 1: about a family cult that, no matter your perspective, is
Speaker 1: downright horrific and disturbing. A family run by its father
Speaker 1: with an iron fist, A family that was filled with
Speaker 1: abuse and terror, A family that hardly made it out alive.
Speaker 1: This is the story of the Sexton family and the
Speaker 1: tyrant named Eddie Lee Sexton.
Speaker 2: My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked
Speaker 2: and Grim, a true crime podcast.
Speaker 1: The following.
Speaker 3: Material intent warm your audience, listener, cheers, cheers, cheers to
Speaker 3: what you have?
Speaker 2: Fancy warm ass drinks. It's so nice.
Speaker 1: Fancy warm ass drinks.
Speaker 2: Well yours? I guess it is just coffee. Mine is
Speaker 2: like a non sweet hot chocolate.
Speaker 1: None fair enough. Okay. I've got a question for people
Speaker 1: out there, because this is like a topic for debate,
Speaker 1: and people don't even realize it's really a topic for
Speaker 1: debate either. How do you drink your coffee? Because I
Speaker 1: drink my coffee black, no sugar, no cream, no nothing
Speaker 1: in it. The reason for it is I don't want
Speaker 1: to have that extra added calories, you know, become reliant
Speaker 1: on like all the sugar and stuff in the drinks.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But people are like, oh, you drink black coffee, You're
Speaker 1: like a prude.
Speaker 2: You're like a prude. I think that's almost more like badassy.
Speaker 1: Well that's what they think. It's like, oh, you're like
Speaker 1: a prude, or like maybe like you think you're a badass,
Speaker 1: you think you're cool, Like there's a few things that
Speaker 1: go along with it, and it's like, no, it's it's
Speaker 1: just saving me calories. Basically.
Speaker 2: I used to My first job was at Timmy's as
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, and I would say it was Tim
Speaker 2: Horton's first Oh sorry, Tim Carton. Yes, I would say
Speaker 2: it's I was back then, especially like a rarity for
Speaker 2: people to order black coffee.
Speaker 1: I think it is still a rarity today. But like
Speaker 1: when people like, see you order a black coffee, Like,
Speaker 1: I've had some sideways looks before, like really you're getting
Speaker 1: a black coffee, like you think of that fucking cull
Speaker 1: like just stuff like that. So I'm curious how you
Speaker 1: drink your coffee, and what's your perspective on other people,
Speaker 1: like who do drink black coffee or people who don't
Speaker 1: drink coffee because'n a cole you're not a coffee person.
Speaker 2: No, it's nasty.
Speaker 1: So I'm curious what you guys drink, what's your perspective
Speaker 1: on others.
Speaker 2: But it is assumed that people usually put stuff in
Speaker 2: there because I've ordered you black coffee before and they
Speaker 2: usually always leave room yeah, And then I'm like, oh, actually,
Speaker 2: like we don't need room yeah, and then they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: like surprised. You know.
Speaker 1: Whenever, whenever I order a coffee, even if it's from
Speaker 1: a place where like you go off to the side
Speaker 1: and you add your own cream and sugar, I always
Speaker 1: say black coffee, so they know, like, yeah, not filler
Speaker 1: up pretty much.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyways, that's my coffee rant for the day. I'm curious
Speaker 1: what you guys. Your thoughts on it though, are though,
Speaker 1: because there is that line in the sand. There's the
Speaker 1: non coffee drinker, there's a cold and hot coffee drinker,
Speaker 1: there is the sugary coffee drinker, there's the black coffee drinker,
Speaker 1: and then there's a coffee drinker who has like twelve
Speaker 1: different specific things that they need to re iterate for
Speaker 1: their drink to be perfect.
Speaker 2: Oh and then there's people like me that drink like
Speaker 2: a child and have hot chocolate or apple juice.
Speaker 1: Well, I said non coffee drink that covers it.
Speaker 2: I think, I know. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: Anyways, we have a case today coming off Patreon. We
Speaker 1: are still doing some Patreon recommendations and stuff we posted
Speaker 1: in there, and I think we got like somewhere around
Speaker 1: like sixty different cases or something recommended or requested, And
Speaker 1: this one's coming from Alyssa Bludorn who recommended this case.
Speaker 1: So yeah, thank you, Melissa, appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Always loved a good cult.
Speaker 1: Case we do. It is kind of akin to the
Speaker 1: last case we did with some of the household family
Speaker 1: abuse that took place. And this is going to be
Speaker 1: a two parter episode because there's a lot to tackle.
Speaker 2: One Yeah, I think you tried to do another one part,
Speaker 2: but you're like, Nope, not happening, not happened.
Speaker 1: There's just too much going on. It's a large family
Speaker 1: and lots of information and lots of horrifying things. So yeah, right.
Speaker 2: On, I mean, could we have expected anything else.
Speaker 1: Really, I mean typically not. It would be nice to
Speaker 1: get another maple syrup case somewhere and here I guess No.
Speaker 2: We've had like a maple syrup type case before.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and I didn't have that one since. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: we had that one recently where the dude he smuggled
Speaker 1: gold out of the right right so gold up his
Speaker 1: ass and was stealing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was something that was quite the case. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Was that on Patreon? Patreon? I can't even I always
Speaker 2: want to see Patriot.
Speaker 1: It might have been a Patreon case.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, I can't remember.
Speaker 1: If you're not certain or what we're talking about, it
Speaker 1: was probably a Patreon case. But there's this dude in
Speaker 1: Canada who worked at the Mint and he stole millions
Speaker 1: of dollars worth of gold by smuggling it out of
Speaker 1: the mint up his butt. Yeah, so recommend listening to
Speaker 1: that story because it's funny.
Speaker 2: Gosh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyways, we are talking about not a Rectum case here,
Speaker 1: we were talking about a different one. Cult. Let's get
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 2: You're ready, I am ready, yes. So.
Speaker 1: Eddie Lee Sexton was born on May twelfth, nineteen forty two.
Speaker 1: Sorry I fumbled that nineteen forty two near Logan, West Virginia.
Speaker 1: He was the youngest of ten children, which was a
Speaker 1: quite large family and also an impoverished family as well.
Speaker 1: His parents, Chester was a coal miner and Baptist preacher,
Speaker 1: and his mother Lana, struggled to provide really, you know,
Speaker 1: for their family. So what's with the glare?
Speaker 2: Well, just the dogs. I'm like, they're making a lot
Speaker 2: of noise, but forgot to take their callers off. So
Speaker 2: if you hear little chimes, it's them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we usually take the callers off just in case
Speaker 1: they're getting active during recordings, but not today apparently, so
Speaker 1: you might hear them anyways. Yeah, So the father worked
Speaker 1: as a coal miner and Baptist preacher and the mother
Speaker 1: mostly provided for the family, And yeah, they struggled quite
Speaker 1: a bit. So this kind of meant that they often
Speaker 1: relied on their own resourcefulness to survive. So in the
Speaker 1: cold winters, for example, with no money for coal, the
Speaker 1: children and siblings would often scour train tracks for pieces
Speaker 1: of coal that had fallen off passing trains to actually
Speaker 1: bring back home and help warm their house.
Speaker 2: Really okay, yeah, so.
Speaker 1: They're being resourceful doing what you need to survive, right, absolutely, So.
Speaker 1: When Eddie was still a child, the family relocated to Ironton, Ohio,
Speaker 1: in search for better opportunities. Now, however, their circumstances didn't
Speaker 1: exactly get any better. In fact, you could say they
Speaker 1: only worsened, because Eddie's father soon died suddenly from a
Speaker 1: heart attack at the age of fifty two.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, And he was basically the provider, the sole provider.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean he wasn't like making a whole lot,
Speaker 1: but he was the one who was making any money
Speaker 1: for the family. So now Eddie was just ten years
Speaker 1: old at the time, and I mean he's left fatherless,
Speaker 1: and now the burden for raising the children like himself
Speaker 1: and his other siblings fell squarely onto his mother's shoulders.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so.
Speaker 2: That's real stressful.
Speaker 1: Hey, Well to put it make it even more worse,
Speaker 1: Shortly after he passed away, Lana suffered a debilitating stroke
Speaker 1: which left her with some permanent health issues. So not
Speaker 1: only that is the father gone, but the mother is
Speaker 1: now yeah, not who she used to be, both physically.
Speaker 2: And then I'm also assuming back then, I don't know
Speaker 2: if there was such a thing as like life insurance
Speaker 2: or like you know, well, healthcare type things.
Speaker 1: There is, Well, there certainly is, but I mean to
Speaker 1: what degree, I'm not too certain. I don't think like
Speaker 1: employers would exactly be providing that back in the day.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Now, according to Eddie's older brother Otis, Eddie
Speaker 1: was their mother's clear favorite. He received special attention and
Speaker 1: privileges that other siblings generally could only dream of really being.
Speaker 1: You know that focus and yeah. So Lana's favoritism continued
Speaker 1: well into Eddie's adult life as well, not just when
Speaker 1: he was a kid, well into growing up, which for
Speaker 1: him it shaped a sense of entitlement and of course
Speaker 1: resentment a little bit within the family too. Now, as
Speaker 1: a teenager, Eddie's behavior began to spiral. By age fourteen,
Speaker 1: he had already had a run in with the law
Speaker 1: and was sent to reform school after being caught robbing
Speaker 1: a store. While his brother Otis enlisted in the army
Speaker 1: to escape their grim reality of the family situation, Eddie's
Speaker 1: path diverged sharply. Now he too did join the military,
Speaker 1: but this stint was short lived, because within six months
Speaker 1: Eddie was dishonorably discharged in nineteen sixty three for bad conduct.
Speaker 2: M Okay. Yeah, so even getting in all this trouble
Speaker 2: and stuff, Hey, like he's still just like a favorite.
Speaker 2: It didn't really matter.
Speaker 1: Basically, Yeah, No, he was just the mama's boy. I
Speaker 1: guess I don't know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, once a mama's boy, always a mama's boy.
Speaker 2: Maybe that doesn't change. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe who knows, but in this case, it certainly seems
Speaker 1: to be the situation. Eddie was the clear favorite. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's kind of why he developed into who he was,
Speaker 1: being this little bit of a dickhead. For lack of
Speaker 1: douche canoe. I'll sew the word douche canoe because that's
Speaker 1: what we use in the show. He's a bit of
Speaker 1: a doucee canoe. And maybe it's because of that position
Speaker 1: that he was in the family with his mother.
Speaker 2: Yeah, would be, could very well be.
Speaker 1: Now, at the age of twenty, Eddie married his fifteen
Speaker 1: year old girlfriend. It's a bit of an age disparity there,
Speaker 1: for sure, But I mean back in those days it
Speaker 1: was a little bit more normal, for sure. So now
Speaker 1: details of the relationship remained a little bit scarce, but
Speaker 1: the relationship was short lived. The day after their wedding,
Speaker 1: Eddie was arrested for his involvement in an arm robbery
Speaker 1: of a gas station and earned himself five years in prison.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, seriously.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's now locked up behind bars.
Speaker 2: So you just get married and then your husband is
Speaker 2: locked up for five.
Speaker 1: Years literally the next day.
Speaker 2: I could not even imagine that. Holy shit.
Speaker 1: Well, during his incarceration, his young wife gave birth to
Speaker 1: a son, which I'm not certain was his or not.
Speaker 1: I couldn't find that clarification.
Speaker 2: It could be, but yeah, who knows.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm pretty sure it's his, but I couldn't
Speaker 1: find that concrete evidence of you know, maybe he started
Speaker 1: dating her when she was already pregnant I don't right,
Speaker 1: or she.
Speaker 2: Was pregnant like at the wedding. Maybe they didn't even know,
Speaker 2: or who knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm pretty sure it was his, but don't
Speaker 1: quote me on that. But yeah, not long after him
Speaker 1: being locked up, she filed for divorce, severing ties with him,
Speaker 1: and left to raise the kid on her own.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I mean she.
Speaker 1: Didn't sign up for that, No, And if I'm being honest,
Speaker 1: she dodged a major fucking bullet right there. Okay, so
Speaker 1: good now, Following his release from prison prison prison. A
Speaker 1: few years later, Eddie attempted to rebuild his life. In
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven, he met Estelle May Carson. From from
Speaker 1: here and out. We're going to call her May, Okay,
Speaker 1: no Estelle May Carson, and she goes by May Now.
Speaker 1: May was born into a loving and well adjusted family
Speaker 1: as one of ten children. Her father, a career military man,
Speaker 1: insured a stability, a stable, sorry household for the children
Speaker 1: and they're growing up. May's family moved frequently, looking across
Speaker 1: various military bases throughout the United States, but despite this
Speaker 1: transient nature of the military life, May thrived. She was
Speaker 1: described as outgoing and beautiful. She was a cheerleader who
Speaker 1: loved dancing and spending time with her family. Her parents
Speaker 1: were supportive, and she enjoyed having an active and social life.
Speaker 1: By the age of twenty, May became pregnant by her
Speaker 1: boyfriend Bill, just before he left for Vietnam. In nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty seven. She gave birth to a son, Patrick Now. Tragically,
Speaker 1: Bill disappeared from her life shortly after, And when writing
Speaker 1: this here I put unfortunately, you know, tragically he was
Speaker 1: a deadbeat dad. But then I throughout my research realized
Speaker 1: they're not sure if he actually died in combat or
Speaker 1: chose to leave. So, Okay, he may or may not
Speaker 1: be a dead beat dad. He may have actually died
Speaker 1: serving his country. So it's unclear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sort of seems that possibility seems greater to.
Speaker 1: Me, but most more than likely in all honesty. And
Speaker 1: now it was during this time that May would meet
Speaker 1: Eddie Lee Sexton. Eddie painted himself as a former serviceman
Speaker 1: who had enlisted in the military straight out of high school.
Speaker 1: I mean he did.
Speaker 2: Enlist, right, yeah, he did, but he.
Speaker 1: Used this as an excuse to hide the fact that
Speaker 1: he had actually spent five years in jail. So he's
Speaker 1: basically saying, yeah, I've been in the military this whole time.
Speaker 2: Shit really yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 1: Definitely not true. Big first red flag there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: May was unaware though, of Eddie's criminal past and the
Speaker 1: fact that he had actually been married and divorced as well.
Speaker 2: Whoa, he just hid all this stuff, Like what a
Speaker 2: great start to a relationship.
Speaker 1: Right When she actually asked him though about like any
Speaker 1: previously previous relationships, like if he had been married before,
Speaker 1: Eddie lied said he hadn't, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she outright had asked, uh yeah, wow.
Speaker 1: Now, initially Eddie was he was a perfect gentleman. You know,
Speaker 1: he was a very nice carrying individual. He was polite, respectful.
Speaker 1: He was very slow to advance in the relationship as well,
Speaker 1: which you know Wating reportedly for the fourth date to
Speaker 1: even give her a kiss, Okay.
Speaker 2: Which I guess is like that would be what that
Speaker 2: would be a little bit I don't know, like, what's
Speaker 2: what am I trying to say the word here? Like
Speaker 2: you think he's like a gentleman. That's the word chivalrous civorus. Yes,
Speaker 2: there you go.
Speaker 1: No, that's what he was doing. He's portraying this chivalrous nature.
Speaker 1: He's being a gentleman. Yeah, and you know that's what
Speaker 1: every lady kind of wants. I mean, at least stereotypically
Speaker 1: so perfect man.
Speaker 2: Right well in the beginning, especially too.
Speaker 1: Okay, So beneath this facade, though, Eddie was manipulative, and
Speaker 1: his darker tendencies would begin to surface once May had
Speaker 1: actually fallen for him and was pregnant with his child.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, well, and also I'm well curious too if
Speaker 2: he still you may not even know, had this like
Speaker 2: good relationship with his mom too, that she saw because
Speaker 2: lots of times they say, like, how men treat their
Speaker 2: their mom is like a kind of an indication of
Speaker 2: how they may go about treating their spouse.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm not too sure though, how the relationship with
Speaker 1: his mother carried on into his adulthood too much. I mean,
Speaker 1: outside of his upbringing and being a bit of MoMA's
Speaker 1: boy and stuff. There's not too much written on at
Speaker 1: least what I could find regarding that relationship going forwards. Okay,
Speaker 1: everything really is kind of like, oh, his growing up
Speaker 1: and his family and then how he moves on to
Speaker 1: be a fucking douchebag.
Speaker 2: So there you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So now when Eddie proposed, May accept it, even
Speaker 1: though her family had some strong objectives about it. See,
Speaker 1: her relatives were a little bit perturbed by Eddie right
Speaker 1: from the beginning. They were sensing that something was off,
Speaker 1: a little bit unsettling about him. But unfortunately their warnings
Speaker 1: to May would ultimately fall in deaf years because in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy May and Eddie married and settled into Jackson, Ohio.
Speaker 2: So he wasn't full in the family.
Speaker 1: Hey, No, he wasn't full in the family, And in
Speaker 1: all honesty. I don't think he was fooling her either,
Speaker 1: but I think it's just one of those manipulative situations,
Speaker 1: you know. And I think she just was in too
Speaker 1: deep and didn't know how to get out. Even at
Speaker 1: this point, sang Yeah. Now, the two quickly expanded their family,
Speaker 1: and when I say expanded, I mean expanded together. They
Speaker 1: eventually had twelve children.
Speaker 2: Holy shit. But I mean they were both had large families, right,
Speaker 2: so it does kind of make sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had seven boys and five girls, and like,
Speaker 1: back in the day, these larger families were very common.
Speaker 1: So it's not to say it's like anything extreme. Maybe
Speaker 1: by per days, per days today's perspective, but by then,
Speaker 1: I don't think it was anything extraordinary or out of
Speaker 1: the ordinary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like today, anyone that has like three,
Speaker 2: well maybe not three, but at least over three, it's like, whoa,
Speaker 2: you got a lot of kids.
Speaker 1: I think when when you start saying I have three kids,
Speaker 1: that's when people are like, oh, you got a full household.
Speaker 1: They're not like, oh my god, you got lots of kids.
Speaker 1: It's just oh, that's a busy, full household. But yeah,
Speaker 1: over three, it's like, okay, how do you afford that
Speaker 1: exactly got a love inflation. But anyways, for them, as
Speaker 1: their family grew, Eddie began isolating May from her relatives
Speaker 1: more and more, you know, the classic abuse of spouse
Speaker 1: move right, separating them from your loved ones. So for
Speaker 1: an entire decade, May would have no contact with her family,
Speaker 1: and during this time Eddie took control of nearly every
Speaker 1: aspect of her life. So in these nineteen seventies years,
Speaker 1: Eddie dedicated or sorry, decided to follow in his father's footsteps,
Speaker 1: and he became a preacher. He was ordained and was
Speaker 1: able to perform marriage and sorry marriage ceremonies, and he
Speaker 1: soon even founded his own church, the Cavalry Church of God.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: The church operated out of a small storefront and catered
Speaker 1: to a modest congregation, which largely comprised of May and
Speaker 1: their children, along with a handful of couple like locals
Speaker 1: that just strewn in there.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Eddie portrayed himself as calm and charming to the community.
Speaker 1: He was smooth talking and soft spoken. He seemed very trustworthy,
Speaker 1: especially for someone who's you know, running a congregation, right.
Speaker 1: It made him very easy to be liked, and many
Speaker 1: of the people were actually drawn to him. However, Eddie's
Speaker 1: true intentions for starting the church were not the best.
Speaker 1: It was pretty much more or less just a money
Speaker 1: making scheme, one of his many cons that he would
Speaker 1: actually run throughout his life, which may explain why his
Speaker 1: sermons grew increasingly more and more bizarre. His heart may
Speaker 1: not have actually been within the religion itself. He's got
Speaker 1: other reasons for running it, right, So maybe now that
Speaker 1: he's actually preaching someone like this, you know, probably being
Speaker 1: a little bit full of themself, might throw themselves into
Speaker 1: the center of it. And that's kind of exactly what
Speaker 1: began to happen, because his sermons increasingly more and more bizarre,
Speaker 1: which actually mixed distorted scriptures with his own erratic ideas.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, honestly, it's surprising, but it's not surprising,
Speaker 2: Like this guy is a piece of work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just surprising that someone would go into religion
Speaker 1: to do that, especially right out of the gate, Like
Speaker 1: come on, now, like work your way into something like yeah,
Speaker 1: you get some smaller gigs first, man, before you just
Speaker 1: go right for people who are praising the Lord.
Speaker 2: Maybe he didn't have to write he was just like
Speaker 2: I don't know. He's like, this is my call, and
Speaker 2: I'm going to do it.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm gonna scam religious people.
Speaker 2: Oh boy.
Speaker 1: Now, within six months, attendance dwindled and the church eventually dissolved.
Speaker 1: Yeah so it didn't say it didn't even last a year.
Speaker 1: So by this time May found herself ensnared in Eddie's
Speaker 1: negative web. Things are just getting worse. The facade of
Speaker 1: the loving family man Eddie presented to everyone else just
Speaker 1: hid the dark truth of his abusive and control nature
Speaker 1: at home. Now, after the church, Eddie took on a
Speaker 1: variety of odd jobs, working intermittently as a painter or
Speaker 1: a handyman. However, the bulk of the sex and family
Speaker 1: income came not from any sort of honest labor or
Speaker 1: these short term jobs that Eddie would hold, but instead
Speaker 1: from his exploitation of the disability and social security system. See.
Speaker 1: Eddie claimed to have suffered a debilitating back injury and
Speaker 1: alleged that he was battling multiple sclerosis as well, which
Speaker 1: there was no evidence of this diagnosis to ever be found.
Speaker 2: Huh, but he was still able to like weasel money.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah he was. Because like there's of course investigations
Speaker 1: and workers that look into this, right, and anytime there
Speaker 1: was a caseworker that visited the house to like question
Speaker 1: or investigate or anything, immediately Eddie would just like clamor
Speaker 1: into a wheelchair and fake having severe mobility issues.
Speaker 2: Oh boy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And as soon as the visitors left, he'd just
Speaker 1: get up out of the wheelchair as if nothing was wrong.
Speaker 2: Just like up and moving around. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, too bad. It wasn't in the day and age
Speaker 1: when you have like investigators running across the street like
Speaker 1: with a camera following you sort of situation to grab
Speaker 1: that evidence.
Speaker 2: When I'm just thinking to his kids witnessing this, right,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, that is just not a good life lesson
Speaker 2: there for them.
Speaker 1: No, definitely not. And in all honesty, these sort of
Speaker 1: manipulations and schemes that he's running, this is on it.
Speaker 1: This is just a drop of water in the ocean
Speaker 1: of what these children would go through. Because trust me,
Speaker 1: we're going to touch on it.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sure we will.
Speaker 1: Now. At one point, his claims allowed him to collect
Speaker 1: over fifty thousand dollars annually in disability benefits, which is
Speaker 1: a lot for the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just thinking for back then, Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: a good chunk of change.
Speaker 1: That's like a lot of people make that as like
Speaker 1: your average wage nowadays, like even now, yeah, yeah, fifty grands.
Speaker 1: Like people are like, yeah, you know what, I can
Speaker 1: live comfortably on this. So Eddie ran numerous scams. In
Speaker 1: one instance, he claimed twenty five dollars worth of valuables
Speaker 1: to be stolen during a supposed burglary of their home
Speaker 1: and supportless claim, he provided an itemized list of missing items,
Speaker 1: which included a fabricated certificate of recognition from the US
Speaker 1: Congress for Vietnam Services. Basically, yeah, he's all like using
Speaker 1: his documentation from when he was in the military to
Speaker 1: fabricate other documentations. Basically like this is like giving him
Speaker 1: a reputable name. It's like, oh, we're looking into a
Speaker 1: veteran here, like we can believe this veteran and stuff,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah wow.
Speaker 1: When in reality he was dishonorably discharged and he only
Speaker 1: served six months, probably didn't even really get out of
Speaker 1: fucking training.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, my only thought though, too, is
Speaker 2: he can't be he can't be stupid if he's actually
Speaker 2: like getting away with all the shit.
Speaker 1: Well, in the cases of a lot of people who
Speaker 1: are manipulative, manipulative like this, they're generally not They're not dumb, They're.
Speaker 2: They got the street smart.
Speaker 1: Say they got the streets smart. I mean some you
Speaker 1: even got the book smarts. Look at Ted Bundy like
Speaker 1: he's representing himself in court as a lawyer, right, true,
Speaker 1: So they can be for Devil's advocate purposes. Let's just
Speaker 1: assume for the moment of this conversation that Eddie is
Speaker 1: a genius. Say, his IQ is extraordinarily high. He knows
Speaker 1: how to manipulate people, he knows how to fuck his system.
Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, he's toxic. He's abusive, and he's lazy,
Speaker 1: and so he uses his smarts in negative ways.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm not saying Eddie is by any means a genius,
Speaker 1: but I do think he's not a dumb individual. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for whatever reason though, his mind just seems to fucking
Speaker 1: get weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah he could say that again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now to actually talk about some more of his schemes.
Speaker 1: He actually also devised a plan to burn down his
Speaker 1: own house and collect insurance money. But worse of all,
Speaker 1: he even intended to leave some of his least favorite
Speaker 1: children in the house when he started the fire.
Speaker 2: Only yeah, you're not kidding.
Speaker 1: Nope, because on the day that he planned to execute
Speaker 1: this plan, Eddie arranged for himself and May to spend
Speaker 1: the day out with some of said favorite children, and
Speaker 1: a babysitter was left in charge with the other kids
Speaker 1: inside the home. No, yes, So before leaving, Eddie set
Speaker 1: a fire under the stairs of the house and tampered
Speaker 1: with some wiring to make it appear as though the
Speaker 1: electrical was faulty and sparked the flames. However, the babysitter
Speaker 1: unexpectedly decided to take the children out for ice cream,
Speaker 1: and the children's lives were saved from said fire.
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe that was his reasoning for having twelve kids.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're disposable. I guess who knows.
Speaker 2: Gosh, that is so bad.
Speaker 1: It's fucked now. Despite all these things, Eddie managed to
Speaker 1: remain very well liked. I mean within the community anyway.
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily at home, because behind the curtains he
Speaker 1: was just becoming more disturbing, more and more disturbing constantly.
Speaker 1: His behavior was more like I said, he's He might
Speaker 1: be a very smart individual, but for whatever reason, his
Speaker 1: mind just gets fucking weird. Now in their home, Eddie
Speaker 1: established himself as an absolute authority. He began preaching his
Speaker 1: own twisted version of religion, blending elements of Christianity and
Speaker 1: Satanism into a create like a creative like weird mixture
Speaker 1: that he just thought was right. I don't know, he's
Speaker 1: just like I'm gonna blend this stuff and just start
Speaker 1: preaching it basically that.
Speaker 2: He's now instead of doing it to other people as well,
Speaker 2: he's just mostly doing it with his.
Speaker 1: Face, just his family at home. Yeah, and he basically
Speaker 1: positioned himself as the center of this whole belief system too,
Speaker 1: So basically he's like the Jesus. Yeah. Now, one day,
Speaker 1: in a uh fucked up display of his growing delusions,
Speaker 1: Eddie led his family into the backyard of their rock garden.
Speaker 1: In the center of this garden stood a small statue
Speaker 1: of Jesus with his outstretched arms. You know, Eddie took
Speaker 1: a hatchet and chopped the arms off this statue. And
Speaker 1: why he did this, I really don't know. But it's
Speaker 1: kind of like this point of like almost severing religion
Speaker 1: and like being like, listen to me, I'm the true
Speaker 1: idol or figure to preach, but it was a manipulative tactic,
Speaker 1: more so against his family and his scare tactic as well. Now,
Speaker 1: his preachings also began to take a bit of a
Speaker 1: sexual turn, and his actions became increasingly sinister across very
Speaker 1: bizarre ways. There are seances, there was rituals. Psychological manipulation
Speaker 1: began regular occurrences in the Sexton household, and during these seances,
Speaker 1: he transformed their home into a nightmare scene. He would
Speaker 1: like dozens of candles and position his family in a
Speaker 1: circle around a table adorned with Satanic symbol in the center.
Speaker 1: He draped black and draped himself at a black cape,
Speaker 1: and Eddie would mumble and speak Jimberish that he called tongues,
Speaker 1: delivering incoherent yet frightening proclamations. He demanded that his family
Speaker 1: render their soul to Satan. Yeah, he's terrifying his fucking her.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Well, I mean, it's like one thing
Speaker 2: to have a cult and stuff and have all these
Speaker 2: just individuals a part of it, But like when you're
Speaker 2: doing it just with your family that I just think
Speaker 2: that just makes you look like, i don't know, just
Speaker 2: lower than low. Well, because of course, like you're their dad, Like,
Speaker 2: of course they have to listen to you, so you're
Speaker 2: not like proving or doing anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of these cults actually start that way.
Speaker 2: That's true, they do, and.
Speaker 1: They start procreating within the family to grow in everything.
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, during one of these seances, Eddy plays a mysterious
Speaker 1: object under a sheet at the center of a pentagram.
Speaker 1: So he's got his family gathered around this table and
Speaker 1: there's this sheet draped over the table with something in
Speaker 1: the center. Now, during this seance, he eventually pulled back
Speaker 1: the sheet and revealed the dead body of the family's
Speaker 1: pet cat, Misty, laying in the center of the table.
Speaker 2: That is some traumatizing shit right there.
Speaker 1: Just wait, because he also began cutting this cat and
Speaker 1: draining its blood into a chalice and forced every single
Speaker 1: family member to drink from that cup.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, yes, he did. That is one of
Speaker 2: the most fucked up things I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me about it. Now. Everyone's fucking terrified of
Speaker 1: this man, especially these things that are going on with
Speaker 1: all this Satanist bullshit. The kids obeyed without question. They
Speaker 1: were so fucking terrified, and when the ritual ended, Eddie
Speaker 1: warned them never to speak of what occurred.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because the kids would be taken away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, I cannot even believe that that is a
Speaker 2: thing that someone would do, like that is their pet cat.
Speaker 1: You guys should see look on Nicole's face right now.
Speaker 2: I'm very disturbed.
Speaker 1: Yeah you are.
Speaker 2: I don't know. That just seems like you can't come
Speaker 2: back from that as a kid.
Speaker 1: I don't know, think no. Now, as I mentioned, like
Speaker 1: Eddie kind of had a decent head in his shoulders
Speaker 1: and in some aspect that he said, he's he's an
Speaker 1: intelligent individual, but his mind just kind of got weird.
Speaker 1: Right clearly we can.
Speaker 2: See that weird. I think it's worse than that.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what I mean, right, Like, we can
Speaker 1: clearly see that something is something's fucked up up. He's
Speaker 1: got a fucking screw loose somehow. But his behavior just
Speaker 1: continued to spiral further into madness. At one point, he
Speaker 1: claimed that one of his young daughters, Lana were and
Speaker 1: himself were quote future trons. According to Eddie, they bore
Speaker 1: the unique markings on their hand that made them targets
Speaker 1: for Satanic cults who sought to sacrifice them and To
Speaker 1: make matters even stranger, Eddie claimed that he was negotiating
Speaker 1: a multi million dollar promotion deal with fast food giants
Speaker 1: like Wendy's or Burger King based on their future tron status.
Speaker 1: Don't even know what future tron means, but apparently yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, there, buddy.
Speaker 1: Getting real fucking weird, no shit. Yeah. Now, while this
Speaker 1: behavior was getting more and more erratic, one thing with
Speaker 1: Eddie did remain constant, and that was his control and
Speaker 1: abuse of his family. He deliberately terrified as his children
Speaker 1: to reinforce the dependence on him. He was the savior,
Speaker 1: he was the protector. On one occasion, two of his sons,
Speaker 1: Matthew and Charles, were lying in bed when they heard
Speaker 1: a strange noise in the roof. Curious, they looked out
Speaker 1: the window and saw what they described as quote a
Speaker 1: beast outside. They panicked and the boys screamed for their mother,
Speaker 1: may who rushed into the room. But by the time
Speaker 1: she got into there and looked at the window herself,
Speaker 1: and they're trying to like point out it's out there,
Speaker 1: it's out there. She looked out there, this beast was gone. Now.
Speaker 1: Eddie soon entered the room and the boys told him
Speaker 1: what they had seen, and Eddie declared that that what
Speaker 1: they saw was Satan and he had come to take
Speaker 1: their souls. But as long as they obey him completely
Speaker 1: and follow his rules, he could protect them from Satan
Speaker 1: and harm. Okay, I think it's no surprise to say
Speaker 1: that all of us right now are very aware that
Speaker 1: this beast was Eddie himself, because it was Eddie dressed
Speaker 1: up to scare the shit out of his kids.
Speaker 2: I just ge't, like, does he lay in bed at
Speaker 2: night and like come up with this?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I honestly am curious
Speaker 1: to see what he wore to be this beast and
Speaker 1: like see him like running inside and quickly getting undressed,
Speaker 1: like you know, like yeah, all to scare the fucking
Speaker 1: living shit out of his kids and and try to
Speaker 1: make that make himself this bigger fucking being.
Speaker 2: But can I just say too, like kids do have
Speaker 2: nightmares and like you know, sometimes think they they see
Speaker 2: things or like monsters on the bed or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe he didn't even dress up potentially, and they just
Speaker 2: these boys had come up, thought they saw something, and
Speaker 2: then he uses it, you know, to his advantage, like
Speaker 2: he might even be just thinking on the spot and
Speaker 2: being like that was satan.
Speaker 1: Oh potentially, but I mean he was. He was definitely
Speaker 1: out there on the roof doing something trying.
Speaker 2: To sure his kids, right, I guess, yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe he is trying to dress up as this fucking
Speaker 1: beast and I just picture him like, because he probably
Speaker 1: doesn't have a fucking beast costume back in this like,
Speaker 1: you know, this year, so he's probably got like on
Speaker 1: a wool jacket or in tuk and maybe he's got
Speaker 1: like some sticks that he's holding up against his head
Speaker 1: to make it look like horns or something like, you know,
Speaker 1: just some dumb shit that he's throwing together, which is
Speaker 1: why I really want to know what his costume.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I'm sure very pathetic that you would
Speaker 2: be highly disappointed in it.
Speaker 1: I would be highly disappointed in Eddie for sure, because
Speaker 1: trust me, I am. Now his children were allowed to
Speaker 1: attend school, but this was their only connection with the
Speaker 1: outside world. Just as Eddie had separated his wife may
Speaker 1: from her family, he had now also separated her and
Speaker 1: their kids from the public. Anytime they were out in public,
Speaker 1: Eddie monitored their every move. The children were forbidden from
Speaker 1: making friends engaging in conversation or participating in any school activities.
Speaker 1: They couldn't even ride the school bus. Eddie or May
Speaker 1: had to personally drive them to and from school, ensuring
Speaker 1: that they walked directly in and out of the building
Speaker 1: without any deviation what soever. At school, the kids gained
Speaker 1: a reputation for being very odd and withdrawn, which is
Speaker 1: not surprising. Most of them were just eurally quiet, avoiding
Speaker 1: eye contact and speaking only when absolutely necessary. This behavior
Speaker 1: actually began to be so distinct and so familiar that
Speaker 1: the family began or sorry, people began referring to the
Speaker 1: family and this look on their face as the sexton
Speaker 1: stare seriously, Yeah, the blank expression and unresponsiveness on their
Speaker 1: faces were haunting, and they dubbed it.
Speaker 2: That, I mean, if every kid is like that though
Speaker 2: there's something wrong or.
Speaker 1: Going on, right, well, it's almost like they have the
Speaker 1: humanity stripping.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they're scared shitless exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean Eddie's control, though, honestly like it. It was
Speaker 1: all out of fear manipulation, but he also did this
Speaker 1: separation and isolation as well. He began ruling the household
Speaker 1: with brutal physical abuse. To top it all off, his
Speaker 1: psychological or sorry, his philosophy was summed up with a
Speaker 1: chilling household rule, which really brings this physical abuse to light.
Speaker 1: So his rule was once a child turned sixteen, they
Speaker 1: graduated from being disciplined with a belt, and from there
Speaker 1: they got to be beaten with fists.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I don't know why I'm still shocked by
Speaker 2: anything that's coming out of your mouth. I'm sorry, I know,
Speaker 2: I just mean in regard to this case.
Speaker 1: I know, but you got very personal there. I don't
Speaker 1: know why I'm shocked with anything that's coming out of
Speaker 1: your fucking mouth. I don't think guy said fucking you
Speaker 1: didn't but it worked. But I just mean, in regards
Speaker 1: to this Eddie character, I don't know why. I think
Speaker 1: should just be I guess open to anything at this
Speaker 1: point here. Yeah, Well, everyone in the house endured a
Speaker 1: regular and frequent beating from Eddie, so the children seem
Speaker 1: to suffer the most of the severe punishments. If a
Speaker 1: beating left visible bruises or injuries, the children were kept
Speaker 1: home from school until the marks healed and faded.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Eddie's punishments were not only violent, but also humiliating and
Speaker 1: psychologically cruel. In one instance, he forced two of his
Speaker 1: sons to stand naked in the living room in front
Speaker 1: of the entire family. He then had them hold out
Speaker 1: their arms outstretched while balancing heavy encyclopedias on their hands,
Speaker 1: ensuring the punishing was both physically excruciating as well as humiliating.
Speaker 2: Oh that's that sounds terrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So there was another incident that saw two of
Speaker 1: the sons to the brothers, Charles and another brother get
Speaker 1: in trouble for their prank. They made a slang shot
Speaker 1: using a cut up bicycle tire and they launched a
Speaker 1: battery out of the bedroom window, but unfortunately it went
Speaker 1: into the neighbor's yard and hit them on the head. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's like some kids Shenanigan's for Yeah, the boys.
Speaker 2: Are just finally like doing something that boys do, right,
Speaker 2: enjoying their childhood to a degree, and that happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so like the neighbor just got a fucking assaulted.
Speaker 1: So called. The police didn't know what was going on exactly, right,
Speaker 1: Eddie talked to the police and de escalated the situation,
Speaker 1: and once the police left, Eddie approached the two boys
Speaker 1: threw him in a closet locked the door and began
Speaker 1: spraying raid bug spray into the closet, and he kept
Speaker 1: spraying it until the fumes overwhelmed the kids and they
Speaker 1: passed out.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I don't even know. I just keep like
Speaker 2: staring at you like you can't be you can't be
Speaker 2: for real here that is so that could killed them, yeah,
Speaker 2: very much. So.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, despite all this, though, despite the fear, the beatings,
Speaker 1: the punishments, the psychological torture, Eddie made sure that these
Speaker 1: kids were terrified of him. But also he made it
Speaker 1: so that they believed he was the only one who
Speaker 1: could protect them. So like mentioning that the beast outside
Speaker 1: the kids windows, Oh that's satan. I'm the only one
Speaker 1: who can protect you. I can stop you from from
Speaker 1: him coming and taking your soul.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's I don't know, it's just fucked up
Speaker 1: all around.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's not abnormal in these situations, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not what they do exactly.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Although Eddie managed to project an image of a devoted
Speaker 1: family man to the outside world, those closer to the
Speaker 1: family began to see some glimpses of these horrifying realities
Speaker 1: behind closed doors. Many of these individuals tried to intervene,
Speaker 1: making anonymous reports to child welfare agencies, and during thirteen years,
Speaker 1: nearly a dozen complaints were filed against Eddie and May Sexton.
Speaker 1: One of the earliest reports came in nineteen seventy nine,
Speaker 1: filed by Eddie's sister Stella, after hearing alarming details of
Speaker 1: their brother, Otis Sexton from their older brother. Sorry Now,
Speaker 1: Otis Is, his teenage daughter had been asked to babysit
Speaker 1: Eddie's kids and what they found inside the home was
Speaker 1: it shocked him, to say the least. The house was
Speaker 1: in a state of utter disrepair. There was no electricity.
Speaker 1: Several of the children were locked in their bedrooms and
Speaker 1: tied to their beds. One of the children, James Sexton,
Speaker 1: was a toddler at the time, was found lying alone
Speaker 1: in a playpen. The window in the room was covered
Speaker 1: with a sheet and James was covered in his own waist.
Speaker 1: It was clear he'd been left alone for quite some time.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, now, Once Otis's daughter, who was babysitting, Teresa,
Speaker 1: picked him up and carried him outside the room into light.
Speaker 1: The boy began screaming, showing that he hadn't been exposed
Speaker 1: to light for a long time.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: Teresa called her father Otis for help. Otis was horrified
Speaker 1: when he arrived and saw the state of the home.
Speaker 1: He called his sister Stella to share what he had
Speaker 1: just witnessed, and Stella from there made the anonymous report
Speaker 1: to the Department of Human Services or DHS. Each time
Speaker 1: a report was filed and an investigation performed, Eddie managed
Speaker 1: to talk his way out of it. Of course, he
Speaker 1: had a lie ready for every situation or accusation. He
Speaker 1: had a story to explain every single sign of abuse.
Speaker 1: He would often begin by presenting his ministry credentials, claiming
Speaker 1: his position as a religious leader proved him to be
Speaker 1: a loving father doing his best. With just a large family,
Speaker 1: he's just overwhelmed. Yeah, and tragically this approach just far
Speaker 1: too often it worked. The system continued to fail the
Speaker 1: sex and family at every single turn.
Speaker 2: Well, the Sexton kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly it will.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, unfortunately, we do have to talk a little
Speaker 1: bit of the sexual abuse that took place, because this
Speaker 1: is a bit a big part of the story. See,
Speaker 1: along with the psychological abuse and physical beatings, Eddie forced
Speaker 1: himself onto most of if not all of his children
Speaker 1: in the home. It would typically start around the age
Speaker 1: of twelve in May would often take part.
Speaker 2: Oh so okay, seriously I was wondering with that, the
Speaker 2: baby not seeing the light thing. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: starting to be like, okay, maybe she you know, has
Speaker 2: some issues too. And then now okay, well she was definitely,
Speaker 2: but she was manipulated too, I guess right.
Speaker 1: She was like she was as we talked. Originally she
Speaker 1: was like this vibrant individual, oh going, she basically her
Speaker 1: husband just fucking wore her down. Yeah, he slowly took
Speaker 1: her her sense of herself away until she became an
Speaker 1: active participant in his fucking exploits of his kids.
Speaker 2: Well, he was just like working on her for years,
Speaker 2: right to be the exact like his partner in crime,
Speaker 2: basically that he wanted.
Speaker 1: And whether I mean it could have been fear that
Speaker 1: she's doing us out of, been the manipulation or the
Speaker 1: whole psychological breakdown of like what you said, years and years.
Speaker 1: But for whatever reason she's now complicit on this situation,
Speaker 1: is that right? Work?
Speaker 2: Joining in?
Speaker 1: Yeah, joining it?
Speaker 2: There we go. Now.
Speaker 1: There were times where the children were reportedly drugged with
Speaker 1: medications to keep them in a deep sleep, only to
Speaker 1: actually awaken in the middle middle of their father's sexual assaults.
Speaker 1: Some of them actually reported seeing may present during these moments,
Speaker 1: either watching passively or actively assisting by holding them down.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So to ensure each and every one of the
Speaker 1: children kept their mouths shut about the things that went
Speaker 1: on their home, Eddie turned them all against each other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's hard to believe, but he managed to do that.
Speaker 1: So each morning he lined up the kids before school
Speaker 1: and handed them all a quarter twenty five cents in
Speaker 1: their hand. He instructed them to use the payphones to
Speaker 1: report any of these siblings they if they saw them
Speaker 1: talking to teachers, counselors, or any authority figures, turning them
Speaker 1: into informants, and the children couldn't trust one another. Now,
Speaker 1: there was a situation where one of the kids, for example,
Speaker 1: did do this, but it turns out the he did
Speaker 1: it on his sister. The sister was actually just talking
Speaker 1: to the teacher about lake school work. Yeah, and that
Speaker 1: daughter got drug home and fucking beaten. But the reason
Speaker 1: why the sun did it and called on his sister
Speaker 1: was because he was terrified his dad would find out
Speaker 1: that he saw it and didn't report it. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's not that they're trying to fucking tattle on each other.
Speaker 1: It's that they're so fucking terrified if they don't that
Speaker 1: they'll get beaten.
Speaker 2: H that heal some way go boat finding out exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so picture this. At this point, both parents become
Speaker 1: the abusers. Okay, so you are being beaten near daily,
Speaker 1: locked in your room more often than not, Satanic rituals
Speaker 1: and sexual abuse is running rampant in your home. You're
Speaker 1: covered in bruises and are left with no social skills
Speaker 1: to interact with the world around you. You can't trust
Speaker 1: your siblings because they may be the ones to report
Speaker 1: you and your actions to your parents. You have no one.
Speaker 1: The only person you have to protect you from all
Speaker 1: the things that are all these fucked up things that
Speaker 1: are going on in your life is the very person
Speaker 1: who created and perpetuated it all. The control was so
Speaker 1: complete that even external interventions failed to disrupt this man's
Speaker 1: reign of terror. I mean, he's convinced everyone, everyone in
Speaker 1: the home that no one would believe them even if
Speaker 1: they did try to attempt to escape and talk to
Speaker 1: someone else. The only result was they're terrified to try
Speaker 1: to do anything and they're absolutely helpless.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it would take Oh when you're at
Speaker 2: like that young of age, I don't think you could,
Speaker 2: you know, go against that. That would just it would
Speaker 2: be so hard to How do you And that's the
Speaker 2: only way of life that you know too, exactly.
Speaker 1: The only way you can is if you have help,
Speaker 1: help from child protective services or something like that, right,
Speaker 1: someone to intervene.
Speaker 2: Wow, this is just so disturbing.
Speaker 1: It's so disturb Yeah, so this is going to be
Speaker 1: where we're ending it today. Okay, this is the end
Speaker 1: of part one. Okay, we will carry off on the
Speaker 1: rest of the story in part two on Tuesday.
Speaker 2: I honestly have trouble even imagining that there is more
Speaker 2: to tell.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's much more to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure you got a lot in there for us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I can't give anything away there. There's there's
Speaker 1: a lot more to go on on to and talk about. Still, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well there you go. That's a that's a
Speaker 2: good way to start our day.
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Speaker 2: It's funny because I think especially Ripley knows when we're
Speaker 2: like wrapping up, because then usually right when we're about done,
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