WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.719 --> 00:00:12.000 Cults are both a fascinating and terrifying topic to be 2 00:00:12.039 --> 00:00:15.080 an outsider, looking in and examining how they form and 3 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:18.879 function can be extremely thought provoking, while being brainwashed into 4 00:00:18.920 --> 00:00:23.359 one can be life changing and terrifying. Today we talk 5 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:26.920 about a family cult that, no matter your perspective, is 6 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:31.440 downright horrific and disturbing. A family run by its father 7 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:34.240 with an iron fist, A family that was filled with 8 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:39.399 abuse and terror, A family that hardly made it out alive. 9 00:00:40.520 --> 00:00:43.880 This is the story of the Sexton family and the 10 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:47.119 tyrant named Eddie Lee Sexton. 11 00:00:48.759 --> 00:00:51.960 My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked 12 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:53.880 and Grim, a true crime podcast. 13 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:56.240 The following. 14 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:26.159 Material intent warm your audience, listener, cheers, cheers, cheers to 15 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:26.760 what you have? 16 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:28.920 Fancy warm ass drinks. It's so nice. 17 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:30.799 Fancy warm ass drinks. 18 00:01:30.799 --> 00:01:33.439 Well yours? I guess it is just coffee. Mine is 19 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:36.280 like a non sweet hot chocolate. 20 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:38.799 None fair enough. Okay. I've got a question for people 21 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:40.920 out there, because this is like a topic for debate, 22 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:43.079 and people don't even realize it's really a topic for 23 00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:46.680 debate either. How do you drink your coffee? Because I 24 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:50.640 drink my coffee black, no sugar, no cream, no nothing 25 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:54.319 in it. The reason for it is I don't want 26 00:01:54.319 --> 00:01:58.319 to have that extra added calories, you know, become reliant 27 00:01:58.359 --> 00:02:00.519 on like all the sugar and stuff in the drinks. 28 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:00.760 Right. 29 00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:03.959 But people are like, oh, you drink black coffee, You're 30 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:04.680 like a prude. 31 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:08.919 You're like a prude. I think that's almost more like badassy. 32 00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:11.280 Well that's what they think. It's like, oh, you're like 33 00:02:11.319 --> 00:02:14.080 a prude, or like maybe like you think you're a badass, 34 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:16.199 you think you're cool, Like there's a few things that 35 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:19.120 go along with it, and it's like, no, it's it's 36 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:21.599 just saving me calories. Basically. 37 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:24.360 I used to My first job was at Timmy's as 38 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:26.439 you know, yeah, and I would say it was Tim 39 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:29.879 Horton's first Oh sorry, Tim Carton. Yes, I would say 40 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:33.000 it's I was back then, especially like a rarity for 41 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:34.479 people to order black coffee. 42 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:37.000 I think it is still a rarity today. But like 43 00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:39.439 when people like, see you order a black coffee, Like, 44 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:42.199 I've had some sideways looks before, like really you're getting 45 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:44.680 a black coffee, like you think of that fucking cull 46 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:47.759 like just stuff like that. So I'm curious how you 47 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:51.400 drink your coffee, and what's your perspective on other people, 48 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:53.759 like who do drink black coffee or people who don't 49 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:55.879 drink coffee because'n a cole you're not a coffee person. 50 00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:57.000 No, it's nasty. 51 00:02:57.280 --> 00:02:59.599 So I'm curious what you guys drink, what's your perspective 52 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:00.000 on others. 53 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:04.240 But it is assumed that people usually put stuff in 54 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:06.280 there because I've ordered you black coffee before and they 55 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:09.199 usually always leave room yeah, And then I'm like, oh, actually, 56 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:12.120 like we don't need room yeah, and then they're like, oh, 57 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:13.400 like surprised. You know. 58 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:16.120 Whenever, whenever I order a coffee, even if it's from 59 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:17.520 a place where like you go off to the side 60 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:19.639 and you add your own cream and sugar, I always 61 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:23.879 say black coffee, so they know, like, yeah, not filler 62 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:24.840 up pretty much. 63 00:03:25.159 --> 00:03:25.639 Yeah. 64 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:27.639 Anyways, that's my coffee rant for the day. I'm curious 65 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:30.159 what you guys. Your thoughts on it though, are though, 66 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:32.919 because there is that line in the sand. There's the 67 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:35.919 non coffee drinker, there's a cold and hot coffee drinker, 68 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:39.680 there is the sugary coffee drinker, there's the black coffee drinker, 69 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:42.120 and then there's a coffee drinker who has like twelve 70 00:03:42.159 --> 00:03:45.599 different specific things that they need to re iterate for 71 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:47.360 their drink to be perfect. 72 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:50.120 Oh and then there's people like me that drink like 73 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:53.680 a child and have hot chocolate or apple juice. 74 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:56.560 Well, I said non coffee drink that covers it. 75 00:03:56.599 --> 00:03:58.000 I think, I know. I'm just kidding. 76 00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:02.599 Anyways, we have a case today coming off Patreon. We 77 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:05.560 are still doing some Patreon recommendations and stuff we posted 78 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:07.800 in there, and I think we got like somewhere around 79 00:04:07.840 --> 00:04:11.599 like sixty different cases or something recommended or requested, And 80 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:14.879 this one's coming from Alyssa Bludorn who recommended this case. 81 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:17.839 So yeah, thank you, Melissa, appreciate it. 82 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:20.160 Always loved a good cult. 83 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:23.639 Case we do. It is kind of akin to the 84 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:26.480 last case we did with some of the household family 85 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:30.040 abuse that took place. And this is going to be 86 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:33.800 a two parter episode because there's a lot to tackle. 87 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:36.920 One Yeah, I think you tried to do another one part, 88 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:39.279 but you're like, Nope, not happening, not happened. 89 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:42.120 There's just too much going on. It's a large family 90 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:48.519 and lots of information and lots of horrifying things. So yeah, right. 91 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:51.560 On, I mean, could we have expected anything else. 92 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:53.920 Really, I mean typically not. It would be nice to 93 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:56.360 get another maple syrup case somewhere and here I guess No. 94 00:04:56.800 --> 00:04:59.560 We've had like a maple syrup type case before. 95 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:02.720 Well yeah, and I didn't have that one since. I mean, yeah, 96 00:05:02.439 --> 00:05:05.759 we had that one recently where the dude he smuggled 97 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:09.199 gold out of the right right so gold up his 98 00:05:09.279 --> 00:05:10.399 ass and was stealing it. 99 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:14.879 Yeah, that was something that was quite the case. Yeah. 100 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:18.560 Was that on Patreon? Patreon? I can't even I always 101 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:19.319 want to see Patriot. 102 00:05:19.399 --> 00:05:20.600 It might have been a Patreon case. 103 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:22.519 Actually, yeah, I can't remember. 104 00:05:22.639 --> 00:05:25.360 If you're not certain or what we're talking about, it 105 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:28.600 was probably a Patreon case. But there's this dude in 106 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:32.079 Canada who worked at the Mint and he stole millions 107 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:34.439 of dollars worth of gold by smuggling it out of 108 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:38.319 the mint up his butt. Yeah, so recommend listening to 109 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:39.519 that story because it's funny. 110 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:39.920 Gosh. 111 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:44.959 Yeah, anyways, we are talking about not a Rectum case here, 112 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:48.279 we were talking about a different one. Cult. Let's get 113 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:48.560 into it. 114 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:50.959 You're ready, I am ready, yes. So. 115 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:54.399 Eddie Lee Sexton was born on May twelfth, nineteen forty two. 116 00:05:55.279 --> 00:06:00.279 Sorry I fumbled that nineteen forty two near Logan, West Virginia. 117 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:02.519 He was the youngest of ten children, which was a 118 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:05.680 quite large family and also an impoverished family as well. 119 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:09.519 His parents, Chester was a coal miner and Baptist preacher, 120 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:12.800 and his mother Lana, struggled to provide really, you know, 121 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:15.480 for their family. So what's with the glare? 122 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:18.279 Well, just the dogs. I'm like, they're making a lot 123 00:06:18.279 --> 00:06:20.120 of noise, but forgot to take their callers off. So 124 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:21.639 if you hear little chimes, it's them. 125 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:23.879 Yeah, we usually take the callers off just in case 126 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:27.399 they're getting active during recordings, but not today apparently, so 127 00:06:27.439 --> 00:06:30.600 you might hear them anyways. Yeah, So the father worked 128 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:32.800 as a coal miner and Baptist preacher and the mother 129 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:36.439 mostly provided for the family, And yeah, they struggled quite 130 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:39.279 a bit. So this kind of meant that they often 131 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:42.639 relied on their own resourcefulness to survive. So in the 132 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:45.279 cold winters, for example, with no money for coal, the 133 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:48.680 children and siblings would often scour train tracks for pieces 134 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:51.199 of coal that had fallen off passing trains to actually 135 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:52.959 bring back home and help warm their house. 136 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:54.959 Really okay, yeah, so. 137 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:59.120 They're being resourceful doing what you need to survive, right, absolutely, So. 138 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:03.279 When Eddie was still a child, the family relocated to Ironton, Ohio, 139 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:07.959 in search for better opportunities. Now, however, their circumstances didn't 140 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:10.439 exactly get any better. In fact, you could say they 141 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:13.839 only worsened, because Eddie's father soon died suddenly from a 142 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:15.639 heart attack at the age of fifty two. 143 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:20.000 Oh shit, And he was basically the provider, the sole provider. 144 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:22.240 Yeah yeah, I mean he wasn't like making a whole lot, 145 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:24.040 but he was the one who was making any money 146 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:26.759 for the family. So now Eddie was just ten years 147 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:29.639 old at the time, and I mean he's left fatherless, 148 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:32.920 and now the burden for raising the children like himself 149 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:36.199 and his other siblings fell squarely onto his mother's shoulders. 150 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:38.759 And yeah, so. 151 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:40.399 That's real stressful. 152 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:43.000 Hey, Well to put it make it even more worse, 153 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:46.800 Shortly after he passed away, Lana suffered a debilitating stroke 154 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:49.399 which left her with some permanent health issues. So not 155 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:51.879 only that is the father gone, but the mother is 156 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:56.000 now yeah, not who she used to be, both physically. 157 00:07:57.360 --> 00:08:00.560 And then I'm also assuming back then, I don't know 158 00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:03.040 if there was such a thing as like life insurance 159 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:07.040 or like you know, well, healthcare type things. 160 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:09.639 There is, Well, there certainly is, but I mean to 161 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:12.120 what degree, I'm not too certain. I don't think like 162 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:16.160 employers would exactly be providing that back in the day. 163 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:21.759 So yeah, Now, according to Eddie's older brother Otis, Eddie 164 00:08:21.839 --> 00:08:26.040 was their mother's clear favorite. He received special attention and 165 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:30.319 privileges that other siblings generally could only dream of really being. 166 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:34.919 You know that focus and yeah. So Lana's favoritism continued 167 00:08:34.960 --> 00:08:37.399 well into Eddie's adult life as well, not just when 168 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:40.240 he was a kid, well into growing up, which for 169 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:43.759 him it shaped a sense of entitlement and of course 170 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:48.440 resentment a little bit within the family too. Now, as 171 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:51.960 a teenager, Eddie's behavior began to spiral. By age fourteen, 172 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:53.879 he had already had a run in with the law 173 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:56.759 and was sent to reform school after being caught robbing 174 00:08:56.799 --> 00:09:00.120 a store. While his brother Otis enlisted in the army 175 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:03.639 to escape their grim reality of the family situation, Eddie's 176 00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:07.120 path diverged sharply. Now he too did join the military, 177 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:10.600 but this stint was short lived, because within six months 178 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:15.919 Eddie was dishonorably discharged in nineteen sixty three for bad conduct. 179 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:20.919 M Okay. Yeah, so even getting in all this trouble 180 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:25.399 and stuff, Hey, like he's still just like a favorite. 181 00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:27.039 It didn't really matter. 182 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:29.960 Basically, Yeah, No, he was just the mama's boy. I 183 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:30.600 guess I don't know. 184 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:34.720 So yeah, once a mama's boy, always a mama's boy. 185 00:09:34.759 --> 00:09:36.200 Maybe that doesn't change. I don't know. 186 00:09:36.320 --> 00:09:39.080 Maybe who knows, but in this case, it certainly seems 187 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:43.080 to be the situation. Eddie was the clear favorite. Maybe 188 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:45.679 that's kind of why he developed into who he was, 189 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:48.759 being this little bit of a dickhead. For lack of 190 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:52.720 douche canoe. I'll sew the word douche canoe because that's 191 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:54.759 what we use in the show. He's a bit of 192 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:57.000 a doucee canoe. And maybe it's because of that position 193 00:09:57.039 --> 00:09:58.720 that he was in the family with his mother. 194 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:01.240 Yeah, would be, could very well be. 195 00:10:02.519 --> 00:10:06.120 Now, at the age of twenty, Eddie married his fifteen 196 00:10:06.159 --> 00:10:09.480 year old girlfriend. It's a bit of an age disparity there, 197 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:11.519 for sure, But I mean back in those days it 198 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:14.480 was a little bit more normal, for sure. So now 199 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:16.799 details of the relationship remained a little bit scarce, but 200 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:20.200 the relationship was short lived. The day after their wedding, 201 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:23.480 Eddie was arrested for his involvement in an arm robbery 202 00:10:23.519 --> 00:10:26.720 of a gas station and earned himself five years in prison. 203 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:30.440 Oh shit, seriously. 204 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:32.360 Yeah, so he's now locked up behind bars. 205 00:10:32.440 --> 00:10:35.320 So you just get married and then your husband is 206 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:36.320 locked up for five. 207 00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:37.799 Years literally the next day. 208 00:10:38.080 --> 00:10:40.840 I could not even imagine that. Holy shit. 209 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:44.759 Well, during his incarceration, his young wife gave birth to 210 00:10:44.840 --> 00:10:47.919 a son, which I'm not certain was his or not. 211 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:50.559 I couldn't find that clarification. 212 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:52.480 It could be, but yeah, who knows. 213 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:55.120 I guess I'm pretty sure it's his, but I couldn't 214 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:58.360 find that concrete evidence of you know, maybe he started 215 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:00.559 dating her when she was already pregnant I don't right, 216 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:01.080 or she. 217 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:03.720 Was pregnant like at the wedding. Maybe they didn't even know, 218 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:04.440 or who knows. 219 00:11:04.639 --> 00:11:07.200 Yeah, so I'm pretty sure it was his, but don't 220 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:10.159 quote me on that. But yeah, not long after him 221 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:13.240 being locked up, she filed for divorce, severing ties with him, 222 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:15.360 and left to raise the kid on her own. 223 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:18.440 Okay, well, I mean she. 224 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:21.679 Didn't sign up for that, No, And if I'm being honest, 225 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:25.480 she dodged a major fucking bullet right there. Okay, so 226 00:11:25.639 --> 00:11:30.240 good now, Following his release from prison prison prison. A 227 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:33.120 few years later, Eddie attempted to rebuild his life. In 228 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:37.039 nineteen sixty seven, he met Estelle May Carson. From from 229 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:38.720 here and out. We're going to call her May, Okay, 230 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:42.799 no Estelle May Carson, and she goes by May Now. 231 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:45.879 May was born into a loving and well adjusted family 232 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:48.879 as one of ten children. Her father, a career military man, 233 00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:54.159 insured a stability, a stable, sorry household for the children 234 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:57.360 and they're growing up. May's family moved frequently, looking across 235 00:11:57.440 --> 00:12:00.840 various military bases throughout the United States, but despite this 236 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:05.159 transient nature of the military life, May thrived. She was 237 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:08.080 described as outgoing and beautiful. She was a cheerleader who 238 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:11.399 loved dancing and spending time with her family. Her parents 239 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:14.879 were supportive, and she enjoyed having an active and social life. 240 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:18.159 By the age of twenty, May became pregnant by her 241 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:22.440 boyfriend Bill, just before he left for Vietnam. In nineteen 242 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:26.039 sixty seven. She gave birth to a son, Patrick Now. Tragically, 243 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:30.279 Bill disappeared from her life shortly after, And when writing 244 00:12:30.279 --> 00:12:35.360 this here I put unfortunately, you know, tragically he was 245 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:38.519 a deadbeat dad. But then I throughout my research realized 246 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:41.840 they're not sure if he actually died in combat or 247 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:46.200 chose to leave. So, Okay, he may or may not 248 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:48.120 be a dead beat dad. He may have actually died 249 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:51.240 serving his country. So it's unclear. 250 00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:54.919 Yeah, that sort of seems that possibility seems greater to. 251 00:12:54.879 --> 00:13:00.039 Me, but most more than likely in all honesty. And 252 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:02.399 now it was during this time that May would meet 253 00:13:02.519 --> 00:13:06.200 Eddie Lee Sexton. Eddie painted himself as a former serviceman 254 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:08.600 who had enlisted in the military straight out of high school. 255 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:09.320 I mean he did. 256 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:11.639 Enlist, right, yeah, he did, but he. 257 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:13.720 Used this as an excuse to hide the fact that 258 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:16.000 he had actually spent five years in jail. So he's 259 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:18.200 basically saying, yeah, I've been in the military this whole time. 260 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:22.240 Shit really yeah, oh wow. 261 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:24.799 Definitely not true. Big first red flag there. 262 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:25.840 Yeah. 263 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:29.679 May was unaware though, of Eddie's criminal past and the 264 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:32.080 fact that he had actually been married and divorced as well. 265 00:13:32.440 --> 00:13:34.639 Whoa, he just hid all this stuff, Like what a 266 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:36.279 great start to a relationship. 267 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:39.879 Right When she actually asked him though about like any 268 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:42.759 previously previous relationships, like if he had been married before, 269 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:44.759 Eddie lied said he hadn't, so. 270 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:49.279 Yeah, and she outright had asked, uh yeah, wow. 271 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:53.320 Now, initially Eddie was he was a perfect gentleman. You know, 272 00:13:53.360 --> 00:13:56.320 he was a very nice carrying individual. He was polite, respectful. 273 00:13:56.519 --> 00:13:58.840 He was very slow to advance in the relationship as well, 274 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:02.720 which you know Wating reportedly for the fourth date to 275 00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:04.639 even give her a kiss, Okay. 276 00:14:04.279 --> 00:14:07.159 Which I guess is like that would be what that 277 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:10.120 would be a little bit I don't know, like, what's 278 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:13.919 what am I trying to say the word here? Like 279 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:18.639 you think he's like a gentleman. That's the word chivalrous civorus. Yes, 280 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:19.320 there you go. 281 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:23.440 No, that's what he was doing. He's portraying this chivalrous nature. 282 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:27.519 He's being a gentleman. Yeah, and you know that's what 283 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:30.279 every lady kind of wants. I mean, at least stereotypically 284 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:32.279 so perfect man. 285 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:34.480 Right well in the beginning, especially too. 286 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:38.960 Okay, So beneath this facade, though, Eddie was manipulative, and 287 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:41.759 his darker tendencies would begin to surface once May had 288 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:44.879 actually fallen for him and was pregnant with his child. 289 00:14:45.559 --> 00:14:49.879 Okay, yeah, well, and also I'm well curious too if 290 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:52.039 he still you may not even know, had this like 291 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:56.000 good relationship with his mom too, that she saw because 292 00:14:56.039 --> 00:14:59.159 lots of times they say, like, how men treat their 293 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:02.080 their mom is like a kind of an indication of 294 00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:04.320 how they may go about treating their spouse. 295 00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:08.960 Yeah. I'm not too sure though, how the relationship with 296 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:13.120 his mother carried on into his adulthood too much. I mean, 297 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:15.480 outside of his upbringing and being a bit of MoMA's 298 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:18.000 boy and stuff. There's not too much written on at 299 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:21.840 least what I could find regarding that relationship going forwards. Okay, 300 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:25.120 everything really is kind of like, oh, his growing up 301 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:27.440 and his family and then how he moves on to 302 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:28.519 be a fucking douchebag. 303 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:29.679 So there you go. 304 00:15:29.840 --> 00:15:34.360 Yeah. So now when Eddie proposed, May accept it, even 305 00:15:34.360 --> 00:15:37.639 though her family had some strong objectives about it. See, 306 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:41.080 her relatives were a little bit perturbed by Eddie right 307 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:44.879 from the beginning. They were sensing that something was off, 308 00:15:44.960 --> 00:15:48.240 a little bit unsettling about him. But unfortunately their warnings 309 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:50.919 to May would ultimately fall in deaf years because in 310 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:55.120 nineteen seventy May and Eddie married and settled into Jackson, Ohio. 311 00:15:56.360 --> 00:15:58.399 So he wasn't full in the family. 312 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:01.399 Hey, No, he wasn't full in the family, And in 313 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:05.200 all honesty. I don't think he was fooling her either, 314 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:08.720 but I think it's just one of those manipulative situations, 315 00:16:08.759 --> 00:16:11.279 you know. And I think she just was in too 316 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:15.039 deep and didn't know how to get out. Even at 317 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:19.879 this point, sang Yeah. Now, the two quickly expanded their family, 318 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:23.200 and when I say expanded, I mean expanded together. They 319 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:25.399 eventually had twelve children. 320 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:30.559 Holy shit. But I mean they were both had large families, right, 321 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:31.799 so it does kind of make sense. 322 00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:34.399 Yeah, they had seven boys and five girls, and like, 323 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:37.399 back in the day, these larger families were very common. 324 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:43.519 So it's not to say it's like anything extreme. Maybe 325 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:47.000 by per days, per days today's perspective, but by then, 326 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:50.200 I don't think it was anything extraordinary or out of 327 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:50.799 the ordinary. 328 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:54.279 Yeah, I feel like today, anyone that has like three, 329 00:16:54.440 --> 00:16:58.279 well maybe not three, but at least over three, it's like, whoa, 330 00:16:58.279 --> 00:16:59.159 you got a lot of kids. 331 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:01.559 I think when when you start saying I have three kids, 332 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:03.360 that's when people are like, oh, you got a full household. 333 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:05.200 They're not like, oh my god, you got lots of kids. 334 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:07.640 It's just oh, that's a busy, full household. But yeah, 335 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:11.559 over three, it's like, okay, how do you afford that 336 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:18.000 exactly got a love inflation. But anyways, for them, as 337 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:21.279 their family grew, Eddie began isolating May from her relatives 338 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:23.799 more and more, you know, the classic abuse of spouse 339 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:27.640 move right, separating them from your loved ones. So for 340 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:31.319 an entire decade, May would have no contact with her family, 341 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:35.240 and during this time Eddie took control of nearly every 342 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:39.440 aspect of her life. So in these nineteen seventies years, 343 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:43.240 Eddie dedicated or sorry, decided to follow in his father's footsteps, 344 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:46.839 and he became a preacher. He was ordained and was 345 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:50.079 able to perform marriage and sorry marriage ceremonies, and he 346 00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:54.720 soon even founded his own church, the Cavalry Church of God. 347 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:55.559 Now. 348 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:58.759 The church operated out of a small storefront and catered 349 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:02.559 to a modest congregation, which largely comprised of May and 350 00:18:02.599 --> 00:18:06.240 their children, along with a handful of couple like locals 351 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:07.480 that just strewn in there. 352 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:07.720 Right. 353 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:12.240 Eddie portrayed himself as calm and charming to the community. 354 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:16.480 He was smooth talking and soft spoken. He seemed very trustworthy, 355 00:18:16.599 --> 00:18:19.279 especially for someone who's you know, running a congregation, right. 356 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:21.799 It made him very easy to be liked, and many 357 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:24.680 of the people were actually drawn to him. However, Eddie's 358 00:18:24.680 --> 00:18:28.200 true intentions for starting the church were not the best. 359 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:30.319 It was pretty much more or less just a money 360 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:33.599 making scheme, one of his many cons that he would 361 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:38.319 actually run throughout his life, which may explain why his 362 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:41.640 sermons grew increasingly more and more bizarre. His heart may 363 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:45.480 not have actually been within the religion itself. He's got 364 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:48.759 other reasons for running it, right, So maybe now that 365 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:52.799 he's actually preaching someone like this, you know, probably being 366 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:55.799 a little bit full of themself, might throw themselves into 367 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:57.880 the center of it. And that's kind of exactly what 368 00:18:58.039 --> 00:19:01.680 began to happen, because his sermons increasingly more and more bizarre, 369 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:06.079 which actually mixed distorted scriptures with his own erratic ideas. 370 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:10.599 Okay, I mean, honestly, it's surprising, but it's not surprising, 371 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:12.440 Like this guy is a piece of work. 372 00:19:12.839 --> 00:19:17.079 Yeah, it's just surprising that someone would go into religion 373 00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:18.880 to do that, especially right out of the gate, Like 374 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:22.680 come on, now, like work your way into something like yeah, 375 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:26.200 you get some smaller gigs first, man, before you just 376 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:28.359 go right for people who are praising the Lord. 377 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:30.839 Maybe he didn't have to write he was just like 378 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:33.920 I don't know. He's like, this is my call, and 379 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:34.720 I'm going to do it. 380 00:19:34.839 --> 00:19:37.480 Maybe I'm gonna scam religious people. 381 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:38.759 Oh boy. 382 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:44.319 Now, within six months, attendance dwindled and the church eventually dissolved. 383 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:47.119 Yeah so it didn't say it didn't even last a year. 384 00:19:47.680 --> 00:19:50.920 So by this time May found herself ensnared in Eddie's 385 00:19:51.440 --> 00:19:54.599 negative web. Things are just getting worse. The facade of 386 00:19:54.599 --> 00:19:57.720 the loving family man Eddie presented to everyone else just 387 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:00.559 hid the dark truth of his abusive and control nature 388 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:03.720 at home. Now, after the church, Eddie took on a 389 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:07.000 variety of odd jobs, working intermittently as a painter or 390 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:10.200 a handyman. However, the bulk of the sex and family 391 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:13.640 income came not from any sort of honest labor or 392 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:16.680 these short term jobs that Eddie would hold, but instead 393 00:20:16.720 --> 00:20:21.440 from his exploitation of the disability and social security system. See. 394 00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:24.359 Eddie claimed to have suffered a debilitating back injury and 395 00:20:24.400 --> 00:20:28.359 alleged that he was battling multiple sclerosis as well, which 396 00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:31.240 there was no evidence of this diagnosis to ever be found. 397 00:20:31.839 --> 00:20:34.519 Huh, but he was still able to like weasel money. 398 00:20:34.799 --> 00:20:38.160 Oh yeah he was. Because like there's of course investigations 399 00:20:38.160 --> 00:20:41.039 and workers that look into this, right, and anytime there 400 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:43.359 was a caseworker that visited the house to like question 401 00:20:43.599 --> 00:20:48.039