Speaker 1: Shanda was a young girl who had just moved to
Speaker 1: a new school when her life was completely flipped upside down.
Speaker 1: It was at this school that she met her first girlfriend.
Speaker 1: Though it certainly wasn't love at first sight, their relationship
Speaker 1: quickly blossomed. However, her new girlfriend had a very jealous ex.
Speaker 1: Her and her three friends would soon kidnap Shanda and
Speaker 1: brutally torture and kill her, all because the ex couldn't
Speaker 1: stand to see the two together. This case is the
Speaker 1: murder of twelve year old Shanda Sharer. My name's Ben, I'm.
Speaker 2: Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and.
Speaker 1: Grim, a true crime podcast.
Speaker 2: Warning the following podcast Dan's and material intended for a
Speaker 2: mature audience.
Speaker 1: Listeners.
Speaker 2: Question.
Speaker 1: You had a look of like absolute disgust in your
Speaker 1: face when I was reading that intro. Are you good?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just like, oh boy, here we go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's kind of how it tends to
Speaker 1: be with true crime in all honesty.
Speaker 2: Well, here, I was just like, I kind of was
Speaker 2: thinking it was going to be people of young age
Speaker 2: and then but I'm like, oh, maybe like sixteen, I
Speaker 2: mean sixteen is still young. Sixteen or eighteen or early
Speaker 2: twenties or something. But twelve.
Speaker 1: Gosh, yeah, Shanda was quite young when her life was
Speaker 1: taken from her.
Speaker 2: I feel like twelve year old shouldn't even have significant others.
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, But I mean, you are getting
Speaker 1: to that point in that time when like you know, you,
Speaker 1: you're starting to go through puberty, like you're in those
Speaker 1: early stages, so those things start to develop in an individual, right,
Speaker 1: So it's not out of this world to think that
Speaker 1: someone of the age of twelve would be considering that.
Speaker 2: I know, I just feel like, I mean, kids grow up.
Speaker 2: I think it's even worse now. They just grow up
Speaker 2: so dang quickly, I know, and they don't stay kids
Speaker 2: for as long as they can.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I feel you one, But yeah,
Speaker 1: this one is not taking taking place in today's day
Speaker 1: and age. It is back in the nineties. So this
Speaker 1: is I mean, you and I grew up in the nineties,
Speaker 1: so we know what it was like back then. And I, certainly,
Speaker 1: at the age of twelve, was not a very grown
Speaker 1: up individual. I was still very much so a child
Speaker 1: at twelve, so I can't relate.
Speaker 2: I know, you always see those tiktoks and reels and
Speaker 2: stuff where it's like twelve year olds now and they're
Speaker 2: just like they just have looked like they have like
Speaker 2: their shit together. They're doing like a dance or something.
Speaker 2: And then it's like me at twelve year old, at
Speaker 2: twelve years old, and you're just like embarrassing. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: still don't feel like I like, I still am embarrassing.
Speaker 2: Like I don't think I've gone out of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, you have not gotten out of that.
Speaker 1: You are embarrassing. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2: Well, those twelve year olds now, I'm like, I still
Speaker 2: don't even have that confidence or that like sass about me.
Speaker 1: I know. I think that's growing up in the social
Speaker 1: social media age though, But yeah, Shanda definitely didn't grow
Speaker 1: up in that age. Are you ready to go into
Speaker 1: this case despite despite the hesitation you have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: All right, Well buckle up because you're gonna need it. So.
Speaker 1: Shanda Renee Scherer was a twelve year old girl living
Speaker 1: in Indiana in the early nineteen nineties. She was born
Speaker 1: on June sixth, nineteen ninety or sorry, nineteen seventy nine,
Speaker 1: in Pineville, Kentucky. When she was still very young, her
Speaker 1: parents Stephen Scherer and Jacqueline Vought unfortunately would get divorced.
Speaker 1: Despite this, though, Shanda stayed clothes with both of her parents.
Speaker 1: She was best friends with her mom, and she was
Speaker 1: also good in a good relationship with her dad and
Speaker 1: his new wife, Sharon.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's really good.
Speaker 1: Shanda was the kind of person everyone wanted to be around.
Speaker 1: She was very cheerful, extremely friend friendly, and then full
Speaker 1: of energy. At school, she was involved in many activities,
Speaker 1: you know, volleyball or cheerleading, and she liked going to
Speaker 1: the dances. At school, Shanda was popular, She was smart,
Speaker 1: and she did very well in school, you know, very academic.
Speaker 1: She was always getting good grades. In June of nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety one, when Shanda had turned twelve, she and her
Speaker 1: mom would make a move to New Albany in India,
Speaker 1: so Shanda could actually spend more time with her dad.
Speaker 1: So basically moving to ensure that they're a little bit
Speaker 1: closer to still maintain that relationship, right, Like, moving can
Speaker 1: be tough on many families, but they wanted to ensure
Speaker 1: the the strong connection between not just one parent but both.
Speaker 1: It was important for him right even after this divorce.
Speaker 2: That's honestly, so good.
Speaker 1: It is co parenting at its best, right. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: she was starting at a new school, Hazelwood Middle School.
Speaker 1: It wasn't easy. I'm sure it's not for many people
Speaker 1: starting in a new middle school, right, A lot of
Speaker 1: new faces, trying to fit in, trying to make those
Speaker 1: new friends. And shortly after the beginning of the school year,
Speaker 1: Shanda even got into a fight with a fourteen year
Speaker 1: old girl named Amanda Heathron. So this is a two
Speaker 1: year difference, right, twelve to fourteen. The two were of
Speaker 1: course sent to detention because of this fight, and I'm
Speaker 1: unclear if it was a physical fight or just verbal
Speaker 1: or how it escalated exactly, but regardless, they're both in
Speaker 1: detention together now. Surprisingly, though, while in detention, this gave
Speaker 1: the two girls a chance to talk and work it out,
Speaker 1: and they ended up becoming pretty good friends as a result.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they hated each other, fought, went her detention,
Speaker 1: and they walked out of detention friend best friends.
Speaker 2: Wow. I just feel like that should be how everyone
Speaker 2: solves problems. Hey, yeah, that well, not the fighting and stuff,
Speaker 2: but the fact that you got in a disagreement, but
Speaker 2: then you're able to work it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you sit down, Yeah, you talk it out, like
Speaker 1: what's wrong with that? Yeah, would be able.
Speaker 2: You move on and you're in like a much better place.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Unfortunately, some people can't sit down and talk it
Speaker 1: out and move on, so that leaves a little bit
Speaker 1: of a stifling situation for many people. But hey, these
Speaker 1: two girls were able to do it, and good for them.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Now, what started as an unlikely friendship soon began to
Speaker 1: worry Shanda's mom. So since Shanda had started hanging out
Speaker 1: with Amanda, her grades began slipping and she was even
Speaker 1: getting into trouble at school a little bit, something that
Speaker 1: had never happened before. Shanda was once a very good student,
Speaker 1: and it seemed to be changing, and her mother didn't
Speaker 1: exactly know why. Now, as Shanda and Amanda spent more
Speaker 1: time together, their friendship became even closer, eventually turning into
Speaker 1: something a little bit more a romantic relationship. Even the
Speaker 1: two girls even began writing letters to each other, letters
Speaker 1: that were apparently pretty sexually explicit in nature, though this
Speaker 1: was kept all hidden from Shanda's parents. They always just
Speaker 1: pretended to be friends whenever they were together, and the
Speaker 1: parents were present. In October, the two girls attended a
Speaker 1: school dance together, you know, going out for a fun night,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of even a little bit of a
Speaker 1: date sort of situation. Right, But while they were there,
Speaker 1: they ran into Amanda's ex girlfriend, Melinda Loveless, a sixteen
Speaker 1: year old girl with a troubled past.
Speaker 2: Oh so, now this is like a four year difference
Speaker 2: for yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Melinda had dealt with many problems at home
Speaker 1: and struggled with depression herself. Her difficult family life and
Speaker 1: personal challenges often caused her to get into fights and
Speaker 1: act out at school. Now it's a lot to get into,
Speaker 1: but Melinda's parents were involved in some sexually explicit stuff themselves,
Speaker 1: you know, some orgies, and apparently there were some pretty
Speaker 1: abusive sexual behaviors that occurred at home as well, which
Speaker 1: include sexual assaults.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyways, this all affected Melinda's school work and resulted
Speaker 1: in her having to repeat a year of school.
Speaker 2: Oh shit.
Speaker 1: Melinda was open about her you know, sexual orientation, which
Speaker 1: was rare for being in a small town in nineteen nineties.
Speaker 1: You know, a fairly conservative area in Indiana is pretty rare.
Speaker 1: But she was pretty open about it. Anyways, when Melinda
Speaker 1: saw Shanda and Amanda together at the school dance, she
Speaker 1: was instantly filled with rage. She right away was wanting
Speaker 1: to fight Shanda right then and there, even though Shanda
Speaker 1: was four years younger than her. Luckily, though, Amanda managed
Speaker 1: to stop her before things got physical. Now, you see, Melinda,
Speaker 1: it's kind of a little bit difficult here to explain,
Speaker 1: so bear with me. To Milinda, Amanda wasn't actually her
Speaker 1: ex girlfriend, she was still her girlfriend. What kind of oh?
Speaker 1: Even though the two had broken up, Melinda never accepted
Speaker 1: the breakup, thinking that they were just going through a
Speaker 1: tough time and they were going to get through it really. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Amanda was like, no, we're broken up and was moving
Speaker 1: on and was now dating Shanda. So to Melinda, it
Speaker 1: felt like Shanda had stolen her girlfriend right out from
Speaker 1: underneath her and was rubbing her face in it by
Speaker 1: being at this dance together where everyone could see.
Speaker 2: It, and she probably had no idea, correct, Shanda, I
Speaker 2: mean correct? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's about it.
Speaker 2: That is kind of like a tricky situation, but also.
Speaker 1: It is very much so huh okay your processing this.
Speaker 2: I am I don't really know what to think now,
Speaker 2: because I'm kind of like, well, it's Amanda, right, Amen.
Speaker 1: Which one's Amanda? The girlfriend is Amanda?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Amanda was with Melinda.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 2: So I feel like, I don't know, someone wants to
Speaker 2: break up, someone just doesn't accept it, but like they're
Speaker 2: still broken up exactly. I don't know. That's it's kind
Speaker 2: of it's kind of.
Speaker 1: Hard to Amanda did Amanda did nothing wrong. Shanda did
Speaker 1: nothing wrong exactly. Yeah, And Melinda has every right to
Speaker 1: be upset with the situation.
Speaker 2: I guess if she still thinks they're kind of together.
Speaker 1: Well, she she doesn't have say over whether they're together
Speaker 1: or not, because it takes two to tango, right, But
Speaker 1: Melinda has every right to be emotional, be upset, you know,
Speaker 1: be jealous. She just can't act on that because it's
Speaker 1: not her relationship, and so she has every right to
Speaker 1: have these feelings. They have every those two have every
Speaker 1: right to be together. No one's doing anything wrong right now.
Speaker 1: Everything is You're allowed to do that. Yeah, as far
Speaker 1: as I'm concerned, I know.
Speaker 2: It's just it's just kind of it's weird. It's tricky
Speaker 2: because Melinda still thinks that they're kind of together. She's
Speaker 2: probably like almost thinking they're cheating a little, you know.
Speaker 1: That's kind of how she's feeling, so definitely now. Although
Speaker 1: nothing serious happened that night, the weeks that followed were
Speaker 1: filled with a lot of tension. Melinda started to threaten Shanda,
Speaker 1: and she wasn't exactly quiet about it either. She was
Speaker 1: very open about how much she disliked her, and the
Speaker 1: threats became more and more serious over time. She even
Speaker 1: began writing letters to Shanda herself, which became increasingly violent,
Speaker 1: with Melinda going as far as saying that she wanted
Speaker 1: Shanda dead.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, this is real messy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, both Amanda and Shanda became very worried about
Speaker 1: these letters, and with good reason. The threats were very disturbing,
Speaker 1: and I mean very much so, like this is real,
Speaker 1: whether someone has the intentions of it or not, threats
Speaker 1: are very much so real. That's scary. So they eventually
Speaker 1: to the letters to a local youth prosecutor. However, the
Speaker 1: authorities didn't seem to take the threats the seriously themselves,
Speaker 1: and there doesn't appear to be any evidence to point
Speaker 1: towards an investigation ever occurring as a result of these letters.
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, in that situation, like probably nine homes
Speaker 2: out of ten they aren't you know, serious, right.
Speaker 1: Probably ninety nine point ten percent of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but still you gotta there's the off chance that
Speaker 2: they can be exactly.
Speaker 1: That's why you have to do your due diligence. You
Speaker 1: have to follow up on these things, right, So it's unfortunate,
Speaker 1: to say the least. Now, Shanda's parents eventually found out
Speaker 1: about her dating Amanda when they discovered some of the
Speaker 1: letters that they were sharing, right, they made the decision
Speaker 1: to transfer Shanda to another school as a result. It
Speaker 1: wasn't due to the same sex relationship, though they had
Speaker 1: no problem with that. It was more of the fact
Speaker 1: that Shanda was twelve and her girlfriend was fourteen. Their
Speaker 1: relationship was seemingly to be very sexual in nature, so
Speaker 1: that age gap is kind of a little bit too
Speaker 1: much for them. And Shanda was also, on top of
Speaker 1: it all, not doing well in school and her behaviors
Speaker 1: were changing.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, the younger you are, the more significant the
Speaker 2: age gap is. Right.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's percentage wise really right, Yeah, Like when you're
Speaker 1: eighty and if you're with a ninety year old, that
Speaker 1: ten year gap.
Speaker 2: Is nothing is not really a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you're twenty five and with a fifteen
Speaker 1: year old, that's not fucking cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is just not okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that percentage of the age gap, it definitely
Speaker 1: plays plays a role now either way. Though. The girls
Speaker 1: were attending different schools now, but they never broke up.
Speaker 1: They still wrote letters and talked in the phone whenever
Speaker 1: they could. Fast forward to the new year. It's January tenth,
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two, so only a few months of past.
Speaker 1: We're just entering the new year now, right. It was
Speaker 1: a night that Melinda had been planning for for some time.
Speaker 1: She she had invited three of her friends over. The
Speaker 1: friends were Laurie Tackett, Hope Rippy, and Tony Lawrence. She
Speaker 1: invited them over to her house this afternoon. The girls
Speaker 1: thought it was just going to be a typical hangout,
Speaker 1: but Melinda she had something else in mind. Once everyone arrived,
Speaker 1: Melinda revealed her true intentions for this meetup. She told
Speaker 1: them that she had come up with a plan to
Speaker 1: get Shanda out of Amanda's life for good. As she
Speaker 1: explained her plan, she pulled out a kitchen knife, telling
Speaker 1: her friends that this was the weapon she was going
Speaker 1: to use to scare Shanda and make sure that she
Speaker 1: stayed away from Amanda once and for all. So it's
Speaker 1: going to be a threat, Okay, So you're scare okay.
Speaker 1: Melinda had somehow found out that Shanda was staying with
Speaker 1: her father on the weekends in Jeffersonville, and they were
Speaker 1: going to go pay her a visit this weekend. So
Speaker 1: with that plan set, the girls piled into a car.
Speaker 1: It's unclear whether it was their car. I mean, they
Speaker 1: were about sixteen, right, unclear if it's there, car, borrowed car,
Speaker 1: I don't know. But they piled into a car and
Speaker 1: headed to Shanda's father's house. Most of the girls had
Speaker 1: no idea how far things were about to go. Melinda
Speaker 1: might have.
Speaker 2: Known, oh man, so she was lying.
Speaker 1: When they reached Shanda's house, two of the girls went
Speaker 1: to go knock on the door. When Shanda answered, the
Speaker 1: girls told her that they were friends of Amanda and
Speaker 1: that Amanda wanted to wanted them to pick her up
Speaker 1: so they could all go hang out together. So they're
Speaker 1: luring her by saying, hey, we're your girlfriend's friends. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they told us to come pick you up.
Speaker 2: Oh gross. I don't like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They claimed that Amanda was waiting for them at
Speaker 1: the old an old abandoned spot called quote the Witch's Castle,
Speaker 1: which is a well known local abandoned house that's like
Speaker 1: kind of a landmark in the area.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, there would be no way. I'd be like, cool, right,
Speaker 2: have fun with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And if, like they said, you were waiting there, I'd
Speaker 2: be like, awesome. I hope he enjoys just waiting there,
Speaker 2: because I wouldn't be going.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to the fucking Witch's Castle.
Speaker 2: There's no way.
Speaker 1: Nope. I feel you. Thank you for coming and meeting
Speaker 1: me at the Witch's Castle. I appreciate that, just leaving
Speaker 1: me waiting to be I don't know, decapitated by a
Speaker 1: witch who knows well.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you were in trouble, i'd come there.
Speaker 2: But if I was just to meet you there with
Speaker 2: some random people, like, it just wouldn't be happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough now. Shanda, though, she was excited to
Speaker 1: go out, but she knew that her parents wouldn't allow it,
Speaker 1: so she herself made a plan. She told the girls
Speaker 1: to come back at midnight, when her dad would be asleep.
Speaker 1: And then she could sneak out and they could all
Speaker 1: head off to go meet Amanda together at the Witch's castle.
Speaker 2: This is just terrible, So like her dad isn't going
Speaker 2: to have any clue, any clue.
Speaker 1: Correct. Although Melinda was frustrated by this, not being able
Speaker 1: to know get to Shanda right away, she had no
Speaker 1: choice but to wait. So as they headed to pick
Speaker 1: Shanda up a little bit later on that night, Melinda,
Speaker 1: growing more impatient, said she couldn't wait to kill Shanda.
Speaker 2: So she admitted this to the other people.
Speaker 1: Then she said this on the way to go pick
Speaker 1: her up. The other girls were shocked by her words
Speaker 1: at first. I mean, of course, earlier she said that, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna go scare her. Yeah right, I mean,
Speaker 1: despite how intense this sounded, they didn't take the threat
Speaker 1: seriously because, as we already mentioned, ninety nine percent of
Speaker 1: the time those threats are not real. Are empty. Yes,
Speaker 1: so that's what they assumed these were. We're just empty threats. Now.
Speaker 1: At around twelve thirty am, the group returned to Shanda's house.
Speaker 1: One of the girls, Tony, hesitated and refused to help
Speaker 1: convince Shanda to get into the car, possibly spooked by
Speaker 1: Melinda's earlier comment, but I can't wait to kill her.
Speaker 1: But we're It's unclear as to why, but the other
Speaker 1: two girls went to Shanda's door while Tony and Melinda
Speaker 1: were still in the car, Melinda hid in the back
Speaker 1: seat under a blanket to avoid being seen.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: Shanda seemed a little unsure about going with them, but
Speaker 1: she trusted them because they claimed to be Amanda's friends
Speaker 1: after all, So eventually she climbed into the car, thinking
Speaker 1: they were going to go meet up with her girlfriend.
Speaker 1: And as they drove towards the Witch's castle, Melinda suddenly
Speaker 1: jumped out from underneath the blanket and pulled out the
Speaker 1: knife and held it right against Shanda's throat.
Speaker 2: Wow, this is just so bad, hey, and it just
Speaker 2: it kind of shows too, I feel like the innocence
Speaker 2: of being twelve as well. No kidding, right, yeah, Oh,
Speaker 2: it kind of just breaks.
Speaker 1: Your heart now. In an instant, Melinda started questioning Shanda
Speaker 1: about her relationship with Amanda. Shanda was completely terrified and
Speaker 1: in shock. She answered Melinda's questions, but no matter what
Speaker 1: she said, it only made Melinda angrier. So when the
Speaker 1: girls arrived to the abandoned Witch's castle. They tied Shanda
Speaker 1: up and brought her inside with them. Once there, Melinda
Speaker 1: and the others took Shanda's jewelry, including her favorite Mickey
Speaker 1: Mouse watch. O man, I know, in case you didn't
Speaker 1: need another reality check of how old this gme?
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I didn't need that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. As Melinda played with her knife, she commented about
Speaker 1: how nice Shanda's hair looked, and then cruelly wondered how
Speaker 1: Shanda would look if it was all cut off as
Speaker 1: she ran the blade through her hair. While she was speaking,
Speaker 1: one of the girls then went to the car and
Speaker 1: grabbed a T shirt that was in there. She brought
Speaker 1: it inside and set the T shirt on fire. It's
Speaker 1: unclear as to why. Maybe it was to wave it
Speaker 1: around in a threatening attempt in Shanda's face. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but regardless, set this T shirt on fire, and the
Speaker 1: smoke from the burning shirt began to worry the group.
Speaker 1: They feared that someone passing by might notice it pouring
Speaker 1: out of the building, so in a panic that gathered
Speaker 1: Shanda up, put her back in the car and drove off,
Speaker 1: headed toward Madison, which is a town near where one
Speaker 1: of the girls Laurie lived now. Laurie then led the
Speaker 1: girls to a secluded logging road surrounded by thick forest
Speaker 1: and trees. They drove far enough to ensure that no
Speaker 1: one would find them, and when they found a remote
Speaker 1: spot that was good enough, they stopped and pulled Shanda
Speaker 1: from the car. At this point, Melinda took charge, forcing
Speaker 1: Shanda to strip off her clothes while threatening her with
Speaker 1: that knife, holding her right at knife point.
Speaker 2: What is even the point of that? And to make
Speaker 2: her after strip and stuff? And meanwhile, her dad's just
Speaker 2: at home, like sleeping. Yeah, has no idea, I mean
Speaker 2: and rightfully so, he has no idea, right like she
Speaker 2: she snuck out. But that's just heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Now, in all honesty, like it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: But I think it's a power tripping situation to humiliate her,
Speaker 1: humiliate her, show that I've got the power. You're gonna
Speaker 1: do whatever I say. You're gonna leave Amanda alone, like
Speaker 1: whatever it is. If I have the fucking power, I
Speaker 1: can make you do whatever I want. And I think
Speaker 1: that's why she did that, But I'm sure there's more
Speaker 1: to it. I'm no psychologist. I don't claim to know
Speaker 1: these things. I'm just offering my opinion thoughts, right, But
Speaker 1: Shanda was terrified and she had absolutely no choice but
Speaker 1: to comply, so she did what she was told, and
Speaker 1: once she was standing there without a close Melinda viciously
Speaker 1: attacked her. She didn't use the knife at first. She
Speaker 1: began punching and kicking Shanda over and over and over again,
Speaker 1: even neeing her in the face repeatedly as blood poured
Speaker 1: from her nose and mouth. Two of the girls, scared
Speaker 1: by what was happening, stayed in the car at first,
Speaker 1: but Melinda convinced them to come out and help in
Speaker 1: the assault, and they eventually held Shanda down while Melinda
Speaker 1: continued the attack.
Speaker 2: Well, they might have been afraid of Melinda as well.
Speaker 1: They most likely were.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's still so wrong that they're doing this
Speaker 2: and helping and stuff, But I feel like they're seeing
Speaker 2: what their friends get.
Speaker 1: Capable of, right, Yeah, it's very possible now. Melinda, then,
Speaker 1: after beating her for a while, decided she was going
Speaker 1: to take the knife in her hands and use that.
Speaker 2: Oh man.
Speaker 1: Initially, she tried to slit Shanda's throat with the blade,
Speaker 1: but the knife was way too dull to do much damage.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I'm sure it cut her, but it did
Speaker 1: not cut nearly deep enough. Frustrated, she started stabbing Shanda
Speaker 1: repeatedly in the chest with the knife instead. After stabbing
Speaker 1: her several times, the girls retrieved a rope from the car,
Speaker 1: wrapped it around Shanda's neck, and pulled it tight until
Speaker 1: Shanda finally went limp.
Speaker 2: Oh ho, man, that is just oh, that is unreal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot, and I'm gonna tell you now
Speaker 1: we're not done.
Speaker 2: Oh okay. I I just can't comprehend, like even sixteen
Speaker 2: years old, that you would just be able to fulfill
Speaker 2: that having the.
Speaker 1: Not only the physical ability to do it, like cause
Speaker 1: I mean, like if you are put in a situation
Speaker 1: where it's like you do this or you don't do it,
Speaker 1: whether it's like life or death situation like saw is
Speaker 1: a very good example, you know, like carve your own
Speaker 1: eye out to get the key or you die. Right
Speaker 1: to be able to take that thing and physically stab
Speaker 1: in your own eye regardless of the pain enduring, right,
Speaker 1: Like even just breaking that threshold, whether it's yourself or
Speaker 1: someone else, that's mind blowing. But then to continue going
Speaker 1: forward and some of the stuff that occurs here that
Speaker 1: we're about to talk about. It makes I can't wrap
Speaker 1: my head around it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think I don't know. I mean, I
Speaker 2: get if you're angry and you're gonna like take out
Speaker 2: some frustration, but I just feel like there'd be a
Speaker 2: moment in there that you'd be like, Okay, this is enough,
Speaker 2: Like I need to stop what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: But we talk about this every time there's one of
Speaker 1: these cases like that, and it's not I.
Speaker 2: Know, I Danneline, I imagine it's like fueling you as well.
Speaker 2: But oh gosh.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, the girls dragged Shanda's limp body to the
Speaker 1: car and stuffed her inside the trunk. Exhausted, they needed
Speaker 1: to regroup. They drove to Laurie's house to clean themselves up.
Speaker 1: There they drank some pop or if you're in the US,
Speaker 1: SODA's sorry it's it's called pop. I'm laying that down anyways,
Speaker 1: trying to relax. They're drinking some pop after these this
Speaker 1: horrific attack, And while they're inside finishing cleaning up and
Speaker 1: drinking their drinks, they suddenly heard screaming coming from the
Speaker 1: inside of the trunk of the car that was parked
Speaker 1: in the driveway.
Speaker 2: No, she was still alive.
Speaker 1: Shanda was badly beaten and stabbed, but she was still
Speaker 1: alive and conscious in the dark, cramped space of the
Speaker 1: car she had just come to in the pitch black.
Speaker 1: Laurie quickly grabbed a small pairing knife from the kit
Speaker 1: and headed outside to the trunk of the car. She
Speaker 1: returned a moment later, and she cleaned herself up again,
Speaker 1: with all the blood printing off her hands. The screaming
Speaker 1: had stopped. Afterwards, Laurie and Melinda got back into the
Speaker 1: car and drove away. It was around two thirty am.
Speaker 1: As they cruised along some quiet dirt roads along the countryside.
Speaker 1: To their shock, once again, they heard Shanda's screams beginning
Speaker 1: to come from the trunk of the car. They stopped
Speaker 1: the car on the side of the road. They pulled
Speaker 1: out a tire iron, this time, opened the trunk and
Speaker 1: dragged Shanda out onto the gravel road. Here they used
Speaker 1: the tire iron to beat her, and for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: also sodomized Shanda until she was once again no longer moving.
Speaker 2: This one is very hard to digest.
Speaker 1: I told you it's gonna get worse, and it keeps.
Speaker 2: Going and I didn't really believe you. I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: well she's already like passed. What else are they going
Speaker 2: to do?
Speaker 1: But okay, yeah, no, it keeps going. That's the highlight
Speaker 1: of what I have to say for this case. It
Speaker 1: is vicious, it is revolting, and it keeps going.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean they have no idea what they're doing.
Speaker 2: They have like no idea.
Speaker 1: No, they're just well.
Speaker 2: But I mean, gosh, you would think that after she
Speaker 2: woke up that you wouldn't continue doing this. I already
Speaker 2: thought it was crazy that they continued the first time,
Speaker 2: and now there's like two more times here. Yeah, gosh.
Speaker 1: So early that morning, Laurie and Melinda returned to Laurie's house.
Speaker 1: The other two girls were still there and waiting for
Speaker 1: them to return, and when those two girls asked what
Speaker 1: happened to Shanda, Laurie laughed and went into great detail
Speaker 1: about what they had just done, even revealing that Shanda's
Speaker 1: body was still in the trunk of the car right
Speaker 1: now as they spoke. Realizing now they needed to get
Speaker 1: rid of a body because this crime isn't over and
Speaker 1: done with yet. There's still one more portion that they
Speaker 1: needed to do. The group decided to take action. Later
Speaker 1: that morning, they all got back into the car with
Speaker 1: Shanda's body in the trunk. They drove to a nearby
Speaker 1: gas station where they filled up the car's gas tank
Speaker 1: and they bought a two liter Pepsi bottle. They dumped
Speaker 1: out all the pop because yes, it's pop, not soda,
Speaker 1: and they filled that bottle up with gasoline as well.
Speaker 1: From there, they headed to a remote location on Lemon Road,
Speaker 1: just north of Madison. Once they arrived, they pulled Shanda's
Speaker 1: body out of the car and left her near the
Speaker 1: side of the gravel road. The girls, before leaving her, though,
Speaker 1: poured gasoline all over her body, and without hesitation, set
Speaker 1: her on fire before driving away and leaving her behind.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, I saw that coming out with the
Speaker 2: whole filling up the two leader. But I was also thinking,
Speaker 2: maybe there's the possibility that she lives through this. But
Speaker 2: I'm thinking that's a hard null.
Speaker 1: Well, the case is called the Murder of Shanda's.
Speaker 2: Well, Okay, just all these incidents going about, though, it
Speaker 2: gives you hope, I guess right that, Okay, mate, Like
Speaker 2: she's fighting and maybe like she'll get through this. Like
Speaker 2: her body's fighting to stay alive, right even though what
Speaker 2: she's enduring. Plus, I didn't know what the fucking title was?
Speaker 2: Did I?
Speaker 1: I said it in the intro?
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, okay, well I missed that part here. I'm
Speaker 2: just like, okay, she's maybe she'll make it through. But no, no.
Speaker 1: Well, to finish off, just how disgusted we are with
Speaker 1: these four girls. In the final chilling display of their
Speaker 1: lack of remorse, the group stopped at McDonald's for breakfast
Speaker 1: on the way home after burning Shanda.
Speaker 2: Oh man, and we're not the fuck would eat after that?
Speaker 1: Not done that yet? Hold on? While eating, they callously
Speaker 1: joked about how Shanda's burnt body resembled the sausage patties
Speaker 1: on the sandwiches they were eating.
Speaker 2: You fucking me, Nope, that is Oh, I don't care.
Speaker 2: This case is just like I just want to keep swearing.
Speaker 2: But it's just I'm pissed. It's frustrating, It's extremely super pissed.
Speaker 2: This is that is absurd.
Speaker 1: This case is frustrating till the end, and it keeps going.
Speaker 2: I can Oh, I just made Ripley upset. She gets
Speaker 2: really upset when we get upset. I'm sorry, ripley.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's like, what's what's that like a sympathy m
Speaker 1: pass and she's like an m path. Yeah, she can
Speaker 1: like feel your emotions get upset, hit the counter to
Speaker 1: touche touche. That was a little bit of alarming for her.
Speaker 1: Gotta love dogs. Anyways, Late that day, Melinda met up
Speaker 1: with Amanda. Without any shame, She proudly told Amanda all
Speaker 1: about what she had just done to Shanda, presenting it
Speaker 1: as if it were some twisted proof of her love.
Speaker 1: And at first Amanda didn't believe her, but Melinda took
Speaker 1: her to the car and showed her Shanda's bloody handprints
Speaker 1: all on the inside of the trunk. Horrified and ensure
Speaker 1: of what to do, Amanda agreed to keep quiet when
Speaker 1: Melinda begged her not to tell anyone.
Speaker 2: Wow, just like peer evil.
Speaker 1: Hey, pu're evil's showing off the bloody handprints on the
Speaker 1: inside of the trunk from a twelve year old who's
Speaker 1: trying to fucking escape with their life. Oh that is
Speaker 1: fucked up now. Shanda's remains were discovered that same morning
Speaker 1: on January eleventh, just hours after she had been set ablaze.
Speaker 1: Two brothers who were on their way to the Jefferson
Speaker 1: Proving Round for a hunting trip, spotted something strange on
Speaker 1: the side of the road. At first, they thought it
Speaker 1: was a mannequin abandoned in a ditch, but when they
Speaker 1: got closer, they realized it was not that. It was
Speaker 1: the burnt remains of a person.
Speaker 2: And literally just right on the side of the road.
Speaker 1: Yep, exactly.
Speaker 2: So they didn't even give a shit to try to
Speaker 2: hide what they did at all.
Speaker 1: Nope, no, not at all. Now. The two brothers were
Speaker 1: shocked and immediately rushed to find a phone and called
Speaker 1: nine to one one. They waited at the scene until
Speaker 1: state troopers and detectives arrived, and the investigators processed the area,
Speaker 1: gathering evidence and took statements from the two brothers as well. Initially,
Speaker 1: they suspected that the crime was gang related because of
Speaker 1: the way that Shanda's body had been posed suggestively, and
Speaker 1: there were severe burns across her body, but particularly the
Speaker 1: worst of it was on her face and hands, which
Speaker 1: made identifying her extremely difficult.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I see.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So while the investigation was underway, Shanda's father Will
Speaker 1: up and realized that Shanda wasn't in her room, mind
Speaker 1: you this is still quite early in the morning, right.
Speaker 2: But I'm sure just assuming that she like snuck out
Speaker 2: and would return, right.
Speaker 1: Well, he searched the house and the surrounding area, but
Speaker 1: he couldn't find her. It was not like her to
Speaker 1: be gone like this or anything, right, she never did
Speaker 1: this sort of stuff. And I'm sure her sneaking out
Speaker 1: at midnight to go to the witch's cabin or whatever,
Speaker 1: it probably would have been the first time of her sneaking.
Speaker 2: Out, Okay, So it was like really out of character.
Speaker 1: Very much so out of character. So he was worried,
Speaker 1: and he called Shanda's mother right away and both of
Speaker 1: them began looking for them for their daughter. Together. By
Speaker 1: that afternoon, they couldn't find her, and they contacted local
Speaker 1: authorities and filed a missing persons report with the Clark
Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Department. Later that evening, at about eight twenty pm,
Speaker 1: Hope Rippy and Tony Lawrence, two of the girls involved
Speaker 1: in the crime, showed up to the police station with
Speaker 1: their parents. The two girls were hysterical and struggled to
Speaker 1: explain what had happened, but eventually they confessed everything, revealing
Speaker 1: that the burnt body that was found earlier that day
Speaker 1: was the body of Shanda Sharer. They described the entire
Speaker 1: sequence of events in detail.
Speaker 2: Oh why could they not have that conscience earlier?
Speaker 1: Hey, right now, I do believe that, like you mentioned,
Speaker 1: as it was happening, that they could have been terrified
Speaker 1: of Melinda. It could have been scared, which I'm sure
Speaker 1: did play a role in this. They didn't know what
Speaker 1: to do. They are terrified for their own safety and
Speaker 1: stuff as well. But it's still why couldn't that have
Speaker 1: come sooner? It's unfortunate. Now, Shanda's missing person's case was
Speaker 1: soon linked to the body found that morning, of course,
Speaker 1: and detectives obtained dental records to officially confirm her identity.
Speaker 1: The results tragically confirmed that, yes, indeed it was Shanda. Now.
Speaker 1: Doctor George Nichols conducted she AND's autopsy, which revealed the
Speaker 1: extent of her injuries that she had suffered. Some of
Speaker 1: the things that they found were ligature marks in her wrists,
Speaker 1: and she had deep cuts on her head, neck, legs.
Speaker 1: Her fingers were badly damaged, so much so that they
Speaker 1: actually had to be cut off to obtain fingerprints. Most
Speaker 1: of Shanda's upper body was covered in third and fourth
Speaker 1: thor gree burns, But one of the most haunting findings
Speaker 1: from the autopsy was the soot in her airway, which
Speaker 1: indicated that she was still alive when the gasoline was
Speaker 1: poured on her and she was set on fire. No, Ben, No, yes,
Speaker 1: she was still.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Okay.
Speaker 1: I told you, this case keeps going.
Speaker 2: Wow, wow, wow. I did not expect that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was pretty mortified when I learned that.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: And I can't blame you and your reaction either, because
Speaker 1: that is heartbreaking. How many many times did she survive
Speaker 1: to just be knocked down again by these girls?
Speaker 2: Holy shit, man, I mean they and I don't know
Speaker 2: if I can. I'll just say that. The problem too
Speaker 2: is like with young offenders, I feel like then just
Speaker 2: the chances of them get them getting out, like they
Speaker 2: still get to live their life at some point.
Speaker 1: I guess it's just it's a very it's very frustrating
Speaker 1: to the end, I said, anyway, I digress, We're in
Speaker 1: for more than I digress. Let's continue.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I don't know if I can take
Speaker 2: any more of this.
Speaker 1: The next day, Melinda Lovelace and Lori Tackett were arrested
Speaker 1: while Hope and Tony were already in the police custody
Speaker 1: right having confessed to the roles earlier. The four teenage
Speaker 1: girls were all charged as adults for their role in
Speaker 1: the torture and killing of Shanda Sharer. By April of
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two, Tony Lawrence, the least involved in the violence,
Speaker 1: struck a deal with prosecutors. By accepting a plea bargain,
Speaker 1: she avoided harsher penalties and agreed to testify against the others.
Speaker 1: She was sentenced to twenty years in prison, but was
Speaker 1: released on parole after serving just nine years. In the
Speaker 1: year two thousand, Hope Rippy, who had played a significant
Speaker 1: role in the crime but has seen as more of
Speaker 1: an influence seen more influenced by Melinda as we kind
Speaker 1: of already discussed a bit, also reached a plea deal
Speaker 1: with prosecutors and was sentenced to thirty five years in
Speaker 1: prison In two thousand and four. Hope's sentence was reduced
Speaker 1: on an appeal, and she was eventually released on parole
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six after serving just fourteen years
Speaker 1: of her sentence. In the year two thousand, both Melinda
Speaker 1: Lovelace and Lorie Tackett, two of the main perpetrators, also
Speaker 1: accepted plea bargains, a decision that spared them from facing
Speaker 1: the death penalty. Both were sentenced to sixty years in
Speaker 1: prison for their roles in the torture and murder of
Speaker 1: Shanda Sharer. However, Melinda and Lourie were both paroled earlier
Speaker 1: than expected. Laurie Tackett was released in twenty eighteen after
Speaker 1: serving twenty six years, while Melinda Lovelass was granted parole
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen after serving twenty five years. All four
Speaker 1: girls are out of prison and free.
Speaker 2: I'm just sitting here like glaring at you, Yes you are.
Speaker 2: Is it making you uncomfortable?
Speaker 1: A little bit? For my own safety? At their uncomfortable?
Speaker 1: Just pissed, right, I told you. It's frustrating to the end.
Speaker 2: Is there fucking more? There? Better not be anymore.
Speaker 1: The aftermath of Shanda's death death left her family absolutely devastating.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, Steve Sharer, Shanda's father, struggled to cope the
Speaker 1: loss of his daughter and turned alcohol. His grief absolutely
Speaker 1: consumed him. Unable to find a way forward. After Shanda's murder,
Speaker 1: Steve his health deteriorated and he tragically passed away in
Speaker 1: two thousand and five from alcohol related complications. He was
Speaker 1: fifty three years old. He drank himself to death.
Speaker 2: Oh man oh okay Okay.
Speaker 1: Shanda's mother, Jackie Vaught, suffered her own immense grief, but
Speaker 1: her response to the events in the years that followed
Speaker 1: would take a surprising and compassionate turn. During Melinda's sentence hearing,
Speaker 1: it was revealed that she herself had been a victim
Speaker 1: of horrific abuse at the hands of her father, Larry Lovelace.
Speaker 1: As I kind of alluded to earlier, he had subject
Speaker 1: his family to years of physical and sexual abuse. In
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, Larry was arrested on charges of rape, sodomy,
Speaker 1: and sexual battery. He spent two two years in jail
Speaker 1: awaiting trial, but due to Indiana's state statue of limitations,
Speaker 1: most charges were dropped, and ultimately he pleaded guilty to
Speaker 1: one count of sexual battery and was released in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety five, having already served his time. Now, while in prison,
Speaker 1: Melinda sought a new path and became involved in the
Speaker 1: ICA N or the i CAN, which is the Indiana
Speaker 1: Canine Assistants Network program where inmates train service dogs. She
Speaker 1: gained a reputation for her skill and dedication, often even
Speaker 1: being asked with help on dogs that were specifically difficult
Speaker 1: to train. Her work with dogs allowed her to show
Speaker 1: love and compassion in a way that contrasted sharply with
Speaker 1: her past actions. Shanda's mother, Jackie, eventually learned of Melinda's
Speaker 1: work with the I CAN. She was contacted by a
Speaker 1: man named Charlie Petrizo, a burn victim and breeder for
Speaker 1: the I CAN, who shared footage of a mo into
Speaker 1: training the dogs in prison. After Jackie watched the video,
Speaker 1: she was actually struck by Melinda's sincerity and compassion. In
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, Jackie made an extraordinary decision to donate a
Speaker 1: puppy that she named Angel to the program in Shanda's honor,
Speaker 1: allowing Melinda to train that dog. Reflecting on her decision,
Speaker 1: Jackie said, quote, Melinda was sincere, she was compassionate. I
Speaker 1: think the IKAM program allows her to have something in
Speaker 1: her life that she can show love back to and
Speaker 1: there's never betrayal on either side.
Speaker 2: Jackie. Okay, Well, first of all, we're just like all
Speaker 2: having a process this at once, and I guess Jackie
Speaker 2: has had a bit of time. But like she is
Speaker 2: a fucking saint. Yes, like that is unbelievable. Yes, that
Speaker 2: you could. I don't know even you know be that strong.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Now there is a bit of, of course, controversy surrounding
Speaker 1: Melinda and what she endured growing up, which I do
Speaker 1: not doubt played a part in her actions upon Shanda.
Speaker 1: But we've said it on this podcast before. It doesn't
Speaker 1: excuse your actions. In my opinion, it does not excuse
Speaker 1: your actions. Your history may shape you, but you have
Speaker 1: control of your present and future. Your actions are your own.
Speaker 1: Of course, I mean there's always room for argument within that,
Speaker 1: but that's a general statement, a blanket statement or that.
Speaker 1: But Jackie sees it as Melinda suffered too, and at
Speaker 1: the hands of Melinda, her daughter suffered. But that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that more people have to suffer, whether it's her,
Speaker 1: whether it's Melinda suffering more. That's what I see. She's
Speaker 1: wanting to put an end to that psych of suffering.
Speaker 1: Melinda's father made her suffer, Melinda made Shanda suffer. Why
Speaker 1: does Jackie have to make or why does Jackie have
Speaker 1: to make Melinda suffer or Melinda make Jackie suffer, so
Speaker 1: props to her. I don't know if I could do it,
Speaker 1: but she's wanting to put an end to that cycle
Speaker 1: of suffering that it seems just incredible to me. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: although the girls serve time for their roles in Shanda's murder,
Speaker 1: their early release have been met with very much so
Speaker 1: mixed emotions from the public. For many, the pain of
Speaker 1: Shanda's death has not faded, and her legacy remains a
Speaker 1: very haunting reminder of the senseless brutality of her murder
Speaker 1: and what those four girls did that day. And that's
Speaker 1: the case of Shanda Sharer.
Speaker 2: What just like a just a complete pile of shit case.
Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna say, what the fuck just happened?
Speaker 2: Well that too, I don't even know, Like I don't
Speaker 2: even know what's where I am right now.
Speaker 1: I told you, it's frustrating to the end.
Speaker 2: But this is the end. There's nothing else, is okay.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you literally drop something else, like I'm done, No,
Speaker 2: I'm leaving.
Speaker 1: This is it. That's the end. We're done. Laptop being closed,
Speaker 1: that's it, the end. That's the story.
Speaker 2: I know it is. It's actually quite hard to process
Speaker 2: this one. I'm not gonna lie. It is and I
Speaker 2: don't necessary. It's hard to even talk about it now
Speaker 2: because I don't know. It is like yeah, because Melinda
Speaker 2: was like very abused, but I'm not okay right now
Speaker 2: with what happened, So I can't look at it like
Speaker 2: the mom did right yet you know, understandable, like it's
Speaker 2: just something you have to process. I think, and whole
Speaker 2: that was unreal like.
Speaker 1: As I said, past actions or past things you've gone through,
Speaker 1: past traumas. It doesn't excuse murdering a fucking person. No,
Speaker 1: it never will. It just doesn't. And in my mind,
Speaker 1: Shanda was murdered four times. They beat her to be unconscious,
Speaker 1: and she came back and they did it again, and
Speaker 1: then she came back and they did it again, and
Speaker 1: they lit her on fire and left her behind, and
Speaker 1: then she finally died.
Speaker 2: Well in that time, well, I mean each time they
Speaker 2: thought that she was.
Speaker 1: Dead, right, I guess, so they murdered her four times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, we killed her. Oh she's actually alive.
Speaker 1: They let us kill her.
Speaker 2: They made that decision four times.
Speaker 1: They made the decision to murder her four separate times, which.
Speaker 2: Is just just like she pure evil hate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you don't get a second chance, let alone
Speaker 1: a third earf Like how many people would say if
Speaker 1: I could go back and correct my actions, Like how
Speaker 1: many people who have killed someone and they're sitting in
Speaker 1: prison and they are so remorseful about it. There's people
Speaker 1: out there, and if I could turn back that fucking clock.
Speaker 1: These girls were given the opportunity to turn back the clock,
Speaker 1: and four times they chose to kill.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you're just I'm curious. I guess if they
Speaker 2: show if they're remorseful now, I feel like it would
Speaker 2: just be so hard to go about. I mean, like
Speaker 2: living your life after that. Gosh, I feel like that's
Speaker 2: all you would ever think about, or I see in
Speaker 2: your head.
Speaker 1: I don't doubt that every single one of them is
Speaker 1: remorseful now, in my opinion. I don't know for a fact,
Speaker 1: but that's gonna be my guess. I'm assuming none of
Speaker 1: them are sitting here thinking, yeah, you know, I'm happy
Speaker 1: I did that. I'm pretty sure they're all remorseful of it.
Speaker 1: Many of us are, as you already said, remorseful of
Speaker 1: what we looked like at twelve years old, and so
Speaker 1: to be doing something that harsh when you're that young
Speaker 1: and you grow up and you're like, holy fuck, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure they're remorseful of it.
Speaker 2: Well. No, If I'm being honest, though, I'd rather be
Speaker 2: embarrassing at twelve year olds twelve years old than what
Speaker 2: twelve year olds are nowadays. I prefer my embarrassment.
Speaker 1: You don't want to be like doing all those tiktoks
Speaker 1: now stuff. No, no, you don't want to be a
Speaker 1: little like twelve year old instagrammer. No, fair enough. I
Speaker 1: just collected Pokemon back in the day when I was twelve,
Speaker 1: and honestly, that sounds great. I do that now at
Speaker 1: thirty six. I should do that now at thirty six.
Speaker 1: I haven't played Pokemon going a long time. I should.
Speaker 2: What were we just saying before I had something to say?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Sorry, well no, I can't remember now. What were we
Speaker 2: just saying prior to.
Speaker 1: This about being remorseful about how old?
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, well it wasn't really exactly about that. But
Speaker 2: these these girls, they still are living like a significant
Speaker 2: chunk of life.
Speaker 1: Yep, right, yep.
Speaker 2: Because I'm just trying to like, I'm trying to calculate
Speaker 2: it in my head, say they were born like seventy
Speaker 2: five or something I'm thinking around.
Speaker 1: Then we'll put it this way. Melinda was sixteen, she
Speaker 1: served twenty five years, she got a one.
Speaker 2: That's a much easier way.
Speaker 1: Just add the two numbers.
Speaker 2: My brain is just like mush at this point. I
Speaker 2: can't even comprehenate, like life. Yeah, that is a big
Speaker 2: chunk of life that they get to live.
Speaker 1: And the largest served time was twenty six I'm assuming
Speaker 1: she was sixteen as well, so that means the oldest
Speaker 1: would have been forty two. Yeah, the oldest age being
Speaker 1: let out of prison was forty two.
Speaker 2: I mean, it is a big chunk of time also
Speaker 2: being served. But then yeah, you get to just like
Speaker 2: live your life, and they took that away from someone,
Speaker 2: which is what's hard, right. Yeah, Yeah, Okay, Wow, you
Speaker 2: really really did this to us today. I'm sorry, and
Speaker 2: don't be afraid for Ben's life. He is quite fine.
Speaker 2: But I was just like I couldn't even look at
Speaker 2: you at times. I'm just I was just so livid.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what don't I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Who could take that seriously? That's bad. Ben's quite fine.
Speaker 1: I am very fine. I am safe in my own
Speaker 1: I am very safe home I'm.
Speaker 2: Joking, searching. I came home with snacks for you.
Speaker 1: That's so nice you did.
Speaker 2: I also gave you a little bowl of cheeses and
Speaker 2: then some sort of little alcoholic beverage.
Speaker 1: It was delicious.
Speaker 2: So you are. I am kind to you.
Speaker 1: You. You definitely are.
Speaker 2: Sometimes maybe not, but the majority of.
Speaker 1: The time, sometimes maybe not a majority. I'm a good person.
Speaker 1: I'm not terrible.
Speaker 2: I mean, no one is good percent of the time.
Speaker 2: Like I mean, not like terribles and murdering people, but
Speaker 2: like you can be an asshole at times.
Speaker 1: I can be an asshole the time.
Speaker 2: People can Oh my gosh, I'm rambling. We got it.
Speaker 2: Where this is done.
Speaker 1: I could just do this for hours, just like loop
Speaker 1: you around and just mess with you. Oh man, Okay, anyways,
Speaker 1: thank you guys for being here. I am definitely safe.
Speaker 1: Do not take those things that I said seriously. I
Speaker 1: was joking. I feel very safe at home with the calls.
Speaker 1: She is the love of my life and we are
Speaker 1: very happy. We are happy that you guys are here
Speaker 1: with us through this podcast, So thank you very much.
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