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<v Speaker 1>Shanda was a young girl who had just moved to

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<v Speaker 1>a new school when her life was completely flipped upside down.

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<v Speaker 1>It was at this school that she met her first girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>Though it certainly wasn't love at first sight, their relationship

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<v Speaker 1>quickly blossomed. However, her new girlfriend had a very jealous ex.

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<v Speaker 1>Her and her three friends would soon kidnap Shanda and

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<v Speaker 1>brutally torture and kill her, all because the ex couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>stand to see the two together. This case is the

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<v Speaker 1>murder of twelve year old Shanda Sharer. My name's Ben, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and.

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<v Speaker 1>Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Warning the following podcast Dan's and material intended for a

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<v Speaker 2>mature audience.

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<v Speaker 1>Listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>Question.

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<v Speaker 1>You had a look of like absolute disgust in your

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<v Speaker 1>face when I was reading that intro. Are you good?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm just like, oh boy, here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that's kind of how it tends to

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<v Speaker 1>be with true crime in all honesty.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, here, I was just like, I kind of was

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<v Speaker 2>thinking it was going to be people of young age

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<v Speaker 2>and then but I'm like, oh, maybe like sixteen, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean sixteen is still young. Sixteen or eighteen or early

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<v Speaker 2>twenties or something. But twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>Gosh, yeah, Shanda was quite young when her life was

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<v Speaker 1>taken from her.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like twelve year old shouldn't even have significant others.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, I agree, But I mean, you are getting

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<v Speaker 1>to that point in that time when like you know, you,

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<v Speaker 1>you're starting to go through puberty, like you're in those

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<v Speaker 1>early stages, so those things start to develop in an individual, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not out of this world to think that

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<v Speaker 1>someone of the age of twelve would be considering that.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I just feel like, I mean, kids grow up.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's even worse now. They just grow up

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<v Speaker 2>so dang quickly, I know, and they don't stay kids

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<v Speaker 2>for as long as they can.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, I feel you one, But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this one is not taking taking place in today's day

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<v Speaker 1>and age. It is back in the nineties. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is I mean, you and I grew up in the nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>so we know what it was like back then. And I, certainly,

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<v Speaker 1>at the age of twelve, was not a very grown

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<v Speaker 1>up individual. I was still very much so a child

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<v Speaker 1>at twelve, so I can't relate.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, you always see those tiktoks and reels and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff where it's like twelve year olds now and they're

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<v Speaker 2>just like they just have looked like they have like

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<v Speaker 2>their shit together. They're doing like a dance or something.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it's like me at twelve year old, at

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<v Speaker 2>twelve years old, and you're just like embarrassing. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>still don't feel like I like, I still am embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't think I've gone out of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree, you have not gotten out of that.

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<v Speaker 1>You are embarrassing. I'm just kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, those twelve year olds now, I'm like, I still

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<v Speaker 2>don't even have that confidence or that like sass about me.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. I think that's growing up in the social

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<v Speaker 1>social media age though, But yeah, Shanda definitely didn't grow

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<v Speaker 1>up in that age. Are you ready to go into

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<v Speaker 1>this case despite despite the hesitation you have.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well buckle up because you're gonna need it. So.

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<v Speaker 1>Shanda Renee Scherer was a twelve year old girl living

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<v Speaker 1>in Indiana in the early nineteen nineties. She was born

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<v Speaker 1>on June sixth, nineteen ninety or sorry, nineteen seventy nine,

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<v Speaker 1>in Pineville, Kentucky. When she was still very young, her

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<v Speaker 1>parents Stephen Scherer and Jacqueline Vought unfortunately would get divorced.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite this, though, Shanda stayed clothes with both of her parents.

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<v Speaker 1>She was best friends with her mom, and she was

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<v Speaker 1>also good in a good relationship with her dad and

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<v Speaker 1>his new wife, Sharon.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's really good.

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<v Speaker 1>Shanda was the kind of person everyone wanted to be around.

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<v Speaker 1>She was very cheerful, extremely friend friendly, and then full

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<v Speaker 1>of energy. At school, she was involved in many activities,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, volleyball or cheerleading, and she liked going to

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<v Speaker 1>the dances. At school, Shanda was popular, She was smart,

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<v Speaker 1>and she did very well in school, you know, very academic.

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<v Speaker 1>She was always getting good grades. In June of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety one, when Shanda had turned twelve, she and her

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<v Speaker 1>mom would make a move to New Albany in India,

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<v Speaker 1>so Shanda could actually spend more time with her dad.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically moving to ensure that they're a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>closer to still maintain that relationship, right, Like, moving can

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<v Speaker 1>be tough on many families, but they wanted to ensure

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<v Speaker 1>the the strong connection between not just one parent but both.

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<v Speaker 1>It was important for him right even after this divorce.

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<v Speaker 2>That's honestly, so good.

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<v Speaker 1>It is co parenting at its best, right. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>she was starting at a new school, Hazelwood Middle School.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't easy. I'm sure it's not for many people

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<v Speaker 1>starting in a new middle school, right, A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>new faces, trying to fit in, trying to make those

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<v Speaker 1>new friends. And shortly after the beginning of the school year,

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<v Speaker 1>Shanda even got into a fight with a fourteen year

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<v Speaker 1>old girl named Amanda Heathron. So this is a two

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<v Speaker 1>year difference, right, twelve to fourteen. The two were of

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<v Speaker 1>course sent to detention because of this fight, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>unclear if it was a physical fight or just verbal

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<v Speaker 1>or how it escalated exactly, but regardless, they're both in

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<v Speaker 1>detention together now. Surprisingly, though, while in detention, this gave

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<v Speaker 1>the two girls a chance to talk and work it out,

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<v Speaker 1>and they ended up becoming pretty good friends as a result.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they hated each other, fought, went her detention,

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<v Speaker 1>and they walked out of detention friend best friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. I just feel like that should be how everyone

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<v Speaker 2>solves problems. Hey, yeah, that well, not the fighting and stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>but the fact that you got in a disagreement, but

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<v Speaker 2>then you're able to work it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you sit down, Yeah, you talk it out, like

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<v Speaker 1>what's wrong with that? Yeah, would be able.

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<v Speaker 2>You move on and you're in like a much better place.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Unfortunately, some people can't sit down and talk it

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<v Speaker 1>out and move on, so that leaves a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a stifling situation for many people. But hey, these

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<v Speaker 1>two girls were able to do it, and good for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, what started as an unlikely friendship soon began to

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<v Speaker 1>worry Shanda's mom. So since Shanda had started hanging out

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<v Speaker 1>with Amanda, her grades began slipping and she was even

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<v Speaker 1>getting into trouble at school a little bit, something that

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<v Speaker 1>had never happened before. Shanda was once a very good student,

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<v Speaker 1>and it seemed to be changing, and her mother didn't

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<v Speaker 1>exactly know why. Now, as Shanda and Amanda spent more

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<v Speaker 1>time together, their friendship became even closer, eventually turning into

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<v Speaker 1>something a little bit more a romantic relationship. Even the

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<v Speaker 1>two girls even began writing letters to each other, letters

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<v Speaker 1>that were apparently pretty sexually explicit in nature, though this

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<v Speaker 1>was kept all hidden from Shanda's parents. They always just

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<v Speaker 1>pretended to be friends whenever they were together, and the

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<v Speaker 1>parents were present. In October, the two girls attended a

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<v Speaker 1>school dance together, you know, going out for a fun night,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of even a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>date sort of situation. Right, But while they were there,

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<v Speaker 1>they ran into Amanda's ex girlfriend, Melinda Loveless, a sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so, now this is like a four year difference

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<v Speaker 2>for yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So Melinda had dealt with many problems at home

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<v Speaker 1>and struggled with depression herself. Her difficult family life and

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<v Speaker 1>personal challenges often caused her to get into fights and

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<v Speaker 1>act out at school. Now it's a lot to get into,

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<v Speaker 1>but Melinda's parents were involved in some sexually explicit stuff themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, some orgies, and apparently there were some pretty

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<v Speaker 1>abusive sexual behaviors that occurred at home as well, which

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<v Speaker 1>include sexual assaults.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Anyways, this all affected Melinda's school work and resulted

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<v Speaker 1>in her having to repeat a year of school.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Melinda was open about her you know, sexual orientation, which

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<v Speaker 1>was rare for being in a small town in nineteen nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, a fairly conservative area in Indiana is pretty rare.

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<v Speaker 1>But she was pretty open about it. Anyways, when Melinda

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<v Speaker 1>saw Shanda and Amanda together at the school dance, she

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<v Speaker 1>was instantly filled with rage. She right away was wanting

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<v Speaker 1>to fight Shanda right then and there, even though Shanda

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<v Speaker 1>was four years younger than her. Luckily, though, Amanda managed

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<v Speaker 1>to stop her before things got physical. Now, you see, Melinda,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of a little bit difficult here to explain,

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<v Speaker 1>so bear with me. To Milinda, Amanda wasn't actually her

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<v Speaker 1>ex girlfriend, she was still her girlfriend. What kind of oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Even though the two had broken up, Melinda never accepted

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<v Speaker 1>the breakup, thinking that they were just going through a

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<v Speaker 1>tough time and they were going to get through it really. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>Amanda was like, no, we're broken up and was moving

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<v Speaker 1>on and was now dating Shanda. So to Melinda, it

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<v Speaker 1>felt like Shanda had stolen her girlfriend right out from

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<v Speaker 1>underneath her and was rubbing her face in it by

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<v Speaker 1>being at this dance together where everyone could see.

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<v Speaker 2>It, and she probably had no idea, correct, Shanda, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean correct? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So it's about it.

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<v Speaker 2>That is kind of like a tricky situation, but also.

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<v Speaker 1>It is very much so huh okay your processing this.

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<v Speaker 2>I am I don't really know what to think now,

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm kind of like, well, it's Amanda, right, Amen.

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<v Speaker 1>Which one's Amanda? The girlfriend is Amanda?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Amanda was with Melinda.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct.

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<v Speaker 2>So I feel like, I don't know, someone wants to

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<v Speaker 2>break up, someone just doesn't accept it, but like they're

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<v Speaker 2>still broken up exactly. I don't know. That's it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of it's kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Hard to Amanda did Amanda did nothing wrong. Shanda did

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<v Speaker 1>nothing wrong exactly. Yeah, And Melinda has every right to

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<v Speaker 1>be upset with the situation.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess if she still thinks they're kind of together.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, she she doesn't have say over whether they're together

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<v Speaker 1>or not, because it takes two to tango, right, But

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<v Speaker 1>Melinda has every right to be emotional, be upset, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>be jealous. She just can't act on that because it's

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<v Speaker 1>not her relationship, and so she has every right to

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<v Speaker 1>have these feelings. They have every those two have every

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<v Speaker 1>right to be together. No one's doing anything wrong right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything is You're allowed to do that. Yeah, as far

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<v Speaker 1>as I'm concerned, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it's just kind of it's weird. It's tricky

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<v Speaker 2>because Melinda still thinks that they're kind of together. She's

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<v Speaker 2>probably like almost thinking they're cheating a little, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of how she's feeling, so definitely now. Although

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<v Speaker 1>nothing serious happened that night, the weeks that followed were

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<v Speaker 1>filled with a lot of tension. Melinda started to threaten Shanda,

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<v Speaker 1>and she wasn't exactly quiet about it either. She was

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<v Speaker 1>very open about how much she disliked her, and the

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<v Speaker 1>threats became more and more serious over time. She even

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<v Speaker 1>began writing letters to Shanda herself, which became increasingly violent,

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<v Speaker 1>with Melinda going as far as saying that she wanted

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<v Speaker 1>Shanda dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, this is real messy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Now, both Amanda and Shanda became very worried about

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<v Speaker 1>these letters, and with good reason. The threats were very disturbing,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean very much so, like this is real,

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<v Speaker 1>whether someone has the intentions of it or not, threats

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<v Speaker 1>are very much so real. That's scary. So they eventually

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<v Speaker 1>to the letters to a local youth prosecutor. However, the

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<v Speaker 1>authorities didn't seem to take the threats the seriously themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>and there doesn't appear to be any evidence to point

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<v Speaker 1>towards an investigation ever occurring as a result of these letters.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, honestly, in that situation, like probably nine homes

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<v Speaker 2>out of ten they aren't you know, serious, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably ninety nine point ten percent of time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but still you gotta there's the off chance that

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<v Speaker 1>That's why you have to do your due diligence. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to follow up on these things, right, So it's unfortunate,

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<v Speaker 1>to say the least. Now, Shanda's parents eventually found out

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<v Speaker 1>about her dating Amanda when they discovered some of the

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<v Speaker 1>letters that they were sharing, right, they made the decision

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<v Speaker 1>to transfer Shanda to another school as a result. It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't due to the same sex relationship, though they had

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<v Speaker 1>no problem with that. It was more of the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that Shanda was twelve and her girlfriend was fourteen. Their

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<v Speaker 1>that age gap is kind of a little bit too

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, the younger you are, the more significant the

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<v Speaker 2>age gap is. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's percentage wise really right, Yeah, Like when you're

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<v Speaker 1>ten year gap.

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<v Speaker 2>Is nothing is not really a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but if you're twenty five and with a fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is just not okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So that percentage of the age gap, it definitely

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<v Speaker 1>plays plays a role now either way. Though. The girls

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<v Speaker 1>were attending different schools now, but they never broke up.

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<v Speaker 1>They still wrote letters and talked in the phone whenever

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<v Speaker 1>they could. Fast forward to the new year. It's January tenth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety two, so only a few months of past.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just entering the new year now, right. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a night that Melinda had been planning for for some time.

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<v Speaker 1>She she had invited three of her friends over. The

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<v Speaker 1>friends were Laurie Tackett, Hope Rippy, and Tony Lawrence. She

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<v Speaker 1>invited them over to her house this afternoon. The girls

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was just going to be a typical hangout,

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<v Speaker 1>but Melinda she had something else in mind. Once everyone arrived,

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<v Speaker 1>Melinda revealed her true intentions for this meetup. She told

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<v Speaker 1>get Shanda out of Amanda's life for good. As she

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<v Speaker 1>explained her plan, she pulled out a kitchen knife, telling

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<v Speaker 1>her friends that this was the weapon she was going

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<v Speaker 1>to use to scare Shanda and make sure that she

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<v Speaker 1>stayed away from Amanda once and for all. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a threat, Okay, So you're scare okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Melinda had somehow found out that Shanda was staying with

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<v Speaker 1>her father on the weekends in Jeffersonville, and they were

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<v Speaker 1>going to go pay her a visit this weekend. So

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<v Speaker 1>with that plan set, the girls piled into a car.

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<v Speaker 1>It's unclear whether it was their car. I mean, they

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<v Speaker 1>were about sixteen, right, unclear if it's there, car, borrowed car,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. But they piled into a car and

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<v Speaker 1>no idea how far things were about to go. Melinda

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<v Speaker 1>might have.

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<v Speaker 2>Known, oh man, so she was lying.

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<v Speaker 1>When they reached Shanda's house, two of the girls went

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<v Speaker 1>to go knock on the door. When Shanda answered, the

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<v Speaker 1>girls told her that they were friends of Amanda and

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<v Speaker 1>that Amanda wanted to wanted them to pick her up

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<v Speaker 1>so they could all go hang out together. So they're

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<v Speaker 1>luring her by saying, hey, we're your girlfriend's friends. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and they told us to come pick you up.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gross. I don't like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. They claimed that Amanda was waiting for them at

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<v Speaker 1>the old an old abandoned spot called quote the Witch's Castle,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a well known local abandoned house that's like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a landmark in the area.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, there would be no way. I'd be like, cool, right,

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<v Speaker 2>have fun with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And if, like they said, you were waiting there, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>be like, awesome. I hope he enjoys just waiting there,

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<v Speaker 2>because I wouldn't be going.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to the fucking Witch's Castle.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no way.

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<v Speaker 1>Nope. I feel you. Thank you for coming and meeting

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<v Speaker 1>me at the Witch's Castle. I appreciate that, just leaving

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<v Speaker 1>me waiting to be I don't know, decapitated by a

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<v Speaker 1>witch who knows well.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you were in trouble, i'd come there.

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<v Speaker 2>But if I was just to meet you there with

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<v Speaker 2>some random people, like, it just wouldn't be happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fair enough now. Shanda, though, she was excited to

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<v Speaker 1>go out, but she knew that her parents wouldn't allow it,

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<v Speaker 1>so she herself made a plan. She told the girls

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<v Speaker 1>to come back at midnight, when her dad would be asleep.

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<v Speaker 1>And then she could sneak out and they could all

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<v Speaker 1>head off to go meet Amanda together at the Witch's castle.

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<v Speaker 2>This is just terrible, So like her dad isn't going

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<v Speaker 2>to have any clue, any clue.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct. Although Melinda was frustrated by this, not being able

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<v Speaker 1>to know get to Shanda right away, she had no

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<v Speaker 1>choice but to wait. So as they headed to pick

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<v Speaker 1>Shanda up a little bit later on that night, Melinda,

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<v Speaker 1>growing more impatient, said she couldn't wait to kill Shanda.

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<v Speaker 2>So she admitted this to the other people.

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<v Speaker 1>Then she said this on the way to go pick

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<v Speaker 1>her up. The other girls were shocked by her words

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<v Speaker 1>at first. I mean, of course, earlier she said that, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we're just gonna go scare her. Yeah right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>despite how intense this sounded, they didn't take the threat

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<v Speaker 1>seriously because, as we already mentioned, ninety nine percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the time those threats are not real. Are empty. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's what they assumed these were. We're just empty threats. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>At around twelve thirty am, the group returned to Shanda's house.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the girls, Tony, hesitated and refused to help

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<v Speaker 1>convince Shanda to get into the car, possibly spooked by

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<v Speaker 1>Melinda's earlier comment, but I can't wait to kill her.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're It's unclear as to why, but the other

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<v Speaker 1>two girls went to Shanda's door while Tony and Melinda

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<v Speaker 1>were still in the car, Melinda hid in the back

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<v Speaker 1>seat under a blanket to avoid being seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>Shanda seemed a little unsure about going with them, but

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<v Speaker 1>she trusted them because they claimed to be Amanda's friends

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<v Speaker 1>after all, So eventually she climbed into the car, thinking

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<v Speaker 1>they were going to go meet up with her girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>And as they drove towards the Witch's castle, Melinda suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>jumped out from underneath the blanket and pulled out the

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<v Speaker 1>knife and held it right against Shanda's throat.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, this is just so bad, hey, and it just

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of shows too, I feel like the innocence

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<v Speaker 2>of being twelve as well. No kidding, right, yeah, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of just breaks.

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<v Speaker 1>Your heart now. In an instant, Melinda started questioning Shanda

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<v Speaker 1>about her relationship with Amanda. Shanda was completely terrified and

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<v Speaker 1>in shock. She answered Melinda's questions, but no matter what

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<v Speaker 1>she said, it only made Melinda angrier. So when the

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<v Speaker 1>girls arrived to the abandoned Witch's castle. They tied Shanda

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<v Speaker 1>up and brought her inside with them. Once there, Melinda

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<v Speaker 1>and the others took Shanda's jewelry, including her favorite Mickey

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<v Speaker 1>Mouse watch. O man, I know, in case you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>need another reality check of how old this gme?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, I didn't need that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. As Melinda played with her knife, she commented about

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<v Speaker 1>how nice Shanda's hair looked, and then cruelly wondered how

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<v Speaker 1>Shanda would look if it was all cut off as

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<v Speaker 1>she ran the blade through her hair. While she was speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the girls then went to the car and

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<v Speaker 1>grabbed a T shirt that was in there. She brought

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<v Speaker 1>it inside and set the T shirt on fire. It's

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<v Speaker 1>unclear as to why. Maybe it was to wave it

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<v Speaker 1>around in a threatening attempt in Shanda's face. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but regardless, set this T shirt on fire, and the

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<v Speaker 1>smoke from the burning shirt began to worry the group.

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<v Speaker 1>They feared that someone passing by might notice it pouring

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<v Speaker 1>out of the building, so in a panic that gathered

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<v Speaker 1>Shanda up, put her back in the car and drove off,

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<v Speaker 1>headed toward Madison, which is a town near where one

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<v Speaker 1>of the girls Laurie lived now. Laurie then led the

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<v Speaker 1>girls to a secluded logging road surrounded by thick forest

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<v Speaker 1>and trees. They drove far enough to ensure that no

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<v Speaker 1>one would find them, and when they found a remote

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<v Speaker 1>spot that was good enough, they stopped and pulled Shanda

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<v Speaker 1>from the car. At this point, Melinda took charge, forcing

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<v Speaker 1>Shanda to strip off her clothes while threatening her with

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<v Speaker 1>that knife, holding her right at knife point.

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<v Speaker 2>What is even the point of that? And to make

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<v Speaker 2>her after strip and stuff? And meanwhile, her dad's just

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<v Speaker 2>at home, like sleeping. Yeah, has no idea, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>and rightfully so, he has no idea, right like she

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<v Speaker 2>she snuck out. But that's just heartbreaking.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. Now, in all honesty, like it doesn't make sense.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think it's a power tripping situation to humiliate her,

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<v Speaker 1>humiliate her, show that I've got the power. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do whatever I say. You're gonna leave Amanda alone, like

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it is. If I have the fucking power, I

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<v Speaker 1>can make you do whatever I want. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's why she did that, But I'm sure there's more

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<v Speaker 1>to it. I'm no psychologist. I don't claim to know

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<v Speaker 1>these things. I'm just offering my opinion thoughts, right, But

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<v Speaker 1>Shanda was terrified and she had absolutely no choice but

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<v Speaker 1>to comply, so she did what she was told, and

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<v Speaker 1>once she was standing there without a close Melinda viciously

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<v Speaker 1>attacked her. She didn't use the knife at first. She

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<v Speaker 1>began punching and kicking Shanda over and over and over again,

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<v Speaker 1>even neeing her in the face repeatedly as blood poured

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<v Speaker 1>from her nose and mouth. Two of the girls, scared

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<v Speaker 1>by what was happening, stayed in the car at first,

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<v Speaker 1>but Melinda convinced them to come out and help in

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<v Speaker 1>the assault, and they eventually held Shanda down while Melinda

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<v Speaker 1>continued the attack.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they might have been afraid of Melinda as well.

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<v Speaker 1>They most likely were.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's still so wrong that they're doing this

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<v Speaker 2>and helping and stuff, But I feel like they're seeing

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<v Speaker 2>what their friends get.

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<v Speaker 1>Capable of, right, Yeah, it's very possible now. Melinda, then,

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<v Speaker 1>after beating her for a while, decided she was going

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<v Speaker 1>to take the knife in her hands and use that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man.

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<v Speaker 1>Initially, she tried to slit Shanda's throat with the blade,

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<v Speaker 1>but the knife was way too dull to do much damage.

421
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<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh, I'm sure it cut her, but it did

422
00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:24.279
<v Speaker 1>not cut nearly deep enough. Frustrated, she started stabbing Shanda

423
00:22:24.319 --> 00:22:28.079
<v Speaker 1>repeatedly in the chest with the knife instead. After stabbing

424
00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:31.279
<v Speaker 1>her several times, the girls retrieved a rope from the car,

425
00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:35.359
<v Speaker 1>wrapped it around Shanda's neck, and pulled it tight until

426
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<v Speaker 1>Shanda finally went limp.

427
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<v Speaker 2>Oh ho, man, that is just oh, that is unreal.

428
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a lot, and I'm gonna tell you now

429
00:22:50.680 --> 00:22:51.359
<v Speaker 1>we're not done.

430
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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay. I I just can't comprehend, like even sixteen

431
00:22:56.200 --> 00:22:59.359
<v Speaker 2>years old, that you would just be able to fulfill

432
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<v Speaker 2>that having the.

433
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<v Speaker 1>Not only the physical ability to do it, like cause

434
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like if you are put in a situation

435
00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:08.960
<v Speaker 1>where it's like you do this or you don't do it,

436
00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:12.480
<v Speaker 1>whether it's like life or death situation like saw is

437
00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:14.680
<v Speaker 1>a very good example, you know, like carve your own

438
00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:17.039
<v Speaker 1>eye out to get the key or you die. Right

439
00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:21.160
<v Speaker 1>to be able to take that thing and physically stab

440
00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:25.640
<v Speaker 1>in your own eye regardless of the pain enduring, right,

441
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<v Speaker 1>Like even just breaking that threshold, whether it's yourself or

442
00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:34.640
<v Speaker 1>someone else, that's mind blowing. But then to continue going

443
00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:37.319
<v Speaker 1>forward and some of the stuff that occurs here that

444
00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:41.160
<v Speaker 1>we're about to talk about. It makes I can't wrap

445
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<v Speaker 1>my head around it.

446
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just think I don't know. I mean, I

447
00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:47.680
<v Speaker 2>get if you're angry and you're gonna like take out

448
00:23:47.680 --> 00:23:49.720
<v Speaker 2>some frustration, but I just feel like there'd be a

449
00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:52.359
<v Speaker 2>moment in there that you'd be like, Okay, this is enough,

450
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<v Speaker 2>Like I need to stop what I'm doing.

451
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<v Speaker 1>But we talk about this every time there's one of

452
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<v Speaker 1>these cases like that, and it's not I.

453
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<v Speaker 2>Know, I Danneline, I imagine it's like fueling you as well.

454
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<v Speaker 2>But oh gosh.

455
00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, the girls dragged Shanda's limp body to the

456
00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:12.519
<v Speaker 1>car and stuffed her inside the trunk. Exhausted, they needed

457
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<v Speaker 1>to regroup. They drove to Laurie's house to clean themselves up.

458
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<v Speaker 1>There they drank some pop or if you're in the US,

459
00:24:20.680 --> 00:24:25.640
<v Speaker 1>SODA's sorry it's it's called pop. I'm laying that down anyways,

460
00:24:25.640 --> 00:24:29.200
<v Speaker 1>trying to relax. They're drinking some pop after these this

461
00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:32.519
<v Speaker 1>horrific attack, And while they're inside finishing cleaning up and

462
00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:35.640
<v Speaker 1>drinking their drinks, they suddenly heard screaming coming from the

463
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<v Speaker 1>inside of the trunk of the car that was parked

464
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<v Speaker 1>in the driveway.

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<v Speaker 2>No, she was still alive.

466
00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:46.359
<v Speaker 1>Shanda was badly beaten and stabbed, but she was still

467
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<v Speaker 1>alive and conscious in the dark, cramped space of the

468
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<v Speaker 1>car she had just come to in the pitch black.

469
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<v Speaker 1>Laurie quickly grabbed a small pairing knife from the kit

470
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<v Speaker 1>and headed outside to the trunk of the car. She

471
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<v Speaker 1>returned a moment later, and she cleaned herself up again,

472
00:25:06.920 --> 00:25:10.880
<v Speaker 1>with all the blood printing off her hands. The screaming

473
00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:14.640
<v Speaker 1>had stopped. Afterwards, Laurie and Melinda got back into the

474
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<v Speaker 1>car and drove away. It was around two thirty am.

475
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<v Speaker 1>As they cruised along some quiet dirt roads along the countryside.

476
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<v Speaker 1>To their shock, once again, they heard Shanda's screams beginning

477
00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:30.200
<v Speaker 1>to come from the trunk of the car. They stopped

478
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<v Speaker 1>the car on the side of the road. They pulled

479
00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:35.880
<v Speaker 1>out a tire iron, this time, opened the trunk and

480
00:25:35.960 --> 00:25:39.720
<v Speaker 1>dragged Shanda out onto the gravel road. Here they used

481
00:25:39.759 --> 00:25:43.640
<v Speaker 1>the tire iron to beat her, and for whatever reason,

482
00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:49.319
<v Speaker 1>also sodomized Shanda until she was once again no longer moving.

483
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<v Speaker 2>This one is very hard to digest.

484
00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:58.319
<v Speaker 1>I told you it's gonna get worse, and it keeps.

485
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<v Speaker 2>Going and I didn't really believe you. I was like, okay,

486
00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:04.519
<v Speaker 2>well she's already like passed. What else are they going

487
00:26:04.599 --> 00:26:04.839
<v Speaker 2>to do?

488
00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:09.839
<v Speaker 1>But okay, yeah, no, it keeps going. That's the highlight

489
00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:11.759
<v Speaker 1>of what I have to say for this case. It

490
00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:15.480
<v Speaker 1>is vicious, it is revolting, and it keeps going.

491
00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, I mean they have no idea what they're doing.

492
00:26:19.640 --> 00:26:20.880
<v Speaker 2>They have like no idea.

493
00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:23.279
<v Speaker 1>No, they're just well.

494
00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:26.599
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, gosh, you would think that after she

495
00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:30.039
<v Speaker 2>woke up that you wouldn't continue doing this. I already

496
00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:32.759
<v Speaker 2>thought it was crazy that they continued the first time,

497
00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:40.119
<v Speaker 2>and now there's like two more times here. Yeah, gosh.

498
00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:44.119
<v Speaker 1>So early that morning, Laurie and Melinda returned to Laurie's house.

499
00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:47.359
<v Speaker 1>The other two girls were still there and waiting for

500
00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:50.519
<v Speaker 1>them to return, and when those two girls asked what

501
00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:55.559
<v Speaker 1>happened to Shanda, Laurie laughed and went into great detail

502
00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:59.200
<v Speaker 1>about what they had just done, even revealing that Shanda's

503
00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:01.880
<v Speaker 1>body was still in the trunk of the car right

504
00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:06.160
<v Speaker 1>now as they spoke. Realizing now they needed to get

505
00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:08.440
<v Speaker 1>rid of a body because this crime isn't over and

506
00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:10.720
<v Speaker 1>done with yet. There's still one more portion that they

507
00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:15.039
<v Speaker 1>needed to do. The group decided to take action. Later

508
00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:17.960
<v Speaker 1>that morning, they all got back into the car with

509
00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:21.319
<v Speaker 1>Shanda's body in the trunk. They drove to a nearby

510
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:23.480
<v Speaker 1>gas station where they filled up the car's gas tank

511
00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:27.920
<v Speaker 1>and they bought a two liter Pepsi bottle. They dumped

512
00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:30.319
<v Speaker 1>out all the pop because yes, it's pop, not soda,

513
00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:34.039
<v Speaker 1>and they filled that bottle up with gasoline as well.

514
00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:38.200
<v Speaker 1>From there, they headed to a remote location on Lemon Road,

515
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:41.799
<v Speaker 1>just north of Madison. Once they arrived, they pulled Shanda's

516
00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:44.799
<v Speaker 1>body out of the car and left her near the

517
00:27:44.839 --> 00:27:48.240
<v Speaker 1>side of the gravel road. The girls, before leaving her, though,

518
00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:52.720
<v Speaker 1>poured gasoline all over her body, and without hesitation, set

519
00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:56.200
<v Speaker 1>her on fire before driving away and leaving her behind.

520
00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:00.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I mean, I saw that coming out with the

521
00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:04.359
<v Speaker 2>whole filling up the two leader. But I was also thinking,

522
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:08.799
<v Speaker 2>maybe there's the possibility that she lives through this. But

523
00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:10.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking that's a hard null.

524
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:13.759
<v Speaker 1>Well, the case is called the Murder of Shanda's.

525
00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, Okay, just all these incidents going about, though, it

526
00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:22.400
<v Speaker 2>gives you hope, I guess right that, Okay, mate, Like

527
00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:26.000
<v Speaker 2>she's fighting and maybe like she'll get through this. Like

528
00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:28.519
<v Speaker 2>her body's fighting to stay alive, right even though what

529
00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:33.240
<v Speaker 2>she's enduring. Plus, I didn't know what the fucking title was?

530
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:33.680
<v Speaker 2>Did I?

531
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:35.240
<v Speaker 1>I said it in the intro?

532
00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:38.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, okay, well I missed that part here. I'm

533
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:41.480
<v Speaker 2>just like, okay, she's maybe she'll make it through. But no, no.

534
00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, to finish off, just how disgusted we are with

535
00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:52.000
<v Speaker 1>these four girls. In the final chilling display of their

536
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:55.400
<v Speaker 1>lack of remorse, the group stopped at McDonald's for breakfast

537
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:57.880
<v Speaker 1>on the way home after burning Shanda.

538
00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:02.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, and we're not the fuck would eat after that?

539
00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:06.079
<v Speaker 1>Not done that yet? Hold on? While eating, they callously

540
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:10.480
<v Speaker 1>joked about how Shanda's burnt body resembled the sausage patties

541
00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:12.839
<v Speaker 1>on the sandwiches they were eating.

542
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:21.160
<v Speaker 2>You fucking me, Nope, that is Oh, I don't care.

543
00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:25.519
<v Speaker 2>This case is just like I just want to keep swearing.

544
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:30.119
<v Speaker 2>But it's just I'm pissed. It's frustrating, It's extremely super pissed.

545
00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:32.759
<v Speaker 2>This is that is absurd.

546
00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:39.039
<v Speaker 1>This case is frustrating till the end, and it keeps going.

547
00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:42.880
<v Speaker 2>I can Oh, I just made Ripley upset. She gets

548
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:45.359
<v Speaker 2>really upset when we get upset. I'm sorry, ripley.

549
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's like, what's what's that like a sympathy m

550
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:50.400
<v Speaker 1>pass and she's like an m path. Yeah, she can

551
00:29:50.440 --> 00:29:53.680
<v Speaker 1>like feel your emotions get upset, hit the counter to

552
00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:57.119
<v Speaker 1>touche touche. That was a little bit of alarming for her.

553
00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Gotta love dogs. Anyways, Late that day, Melinda met up

554
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:05.960
<v Speaker 1>with Amanda. Without any shame, She proudly told Amanda all

555
00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:09.720
<v Speaker 1>about what she had just done to Shanda, presenting it

556
00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:12.839
<v Speaker 1>as if it were some twisted proof of her love.

557
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:17.359
<v Speaker 1>And at first Amanda didn't believe her, but Melinda took

558
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:20.519
<v Speaker 1>her to the car and showed her Shanda's bloody handprints

559
00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:25.440
<v Speaker 1>all on the inside of the trunk. Horrified and ensure

560
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:28.880
<v Speaker 1>of what to do, Amanda agreed to keep quiet when

561
00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:31.039
<v Speaker 1>Melinda begged her not to tell anyone.

562
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:35.079
<v Speaker 2>Wow, just like peer evil.

563
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:39.799
<v Speaker 1>Hey, pu're evil's showing off the bloody handprints on the

564
00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:42.440
<v Speaker 1>inside of the trunk from a twelve year old who's

565
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:46.319
<v Speaker 1>trying to fucking escape with their life. Oh that is

566
00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:52.880
<v Speaker 1>fucked up now. Shanda's remains were discovered that same morning

567
00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:56.720
<v Speaker 1>on January eleventh, just hours after she had been set ablaze.

568
00:30:57.440 --> 00:30:59.559
<v Speaker 1>Two brothers who were on their way to the Jefferson

569
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<v Speaker 1>Proving Round for a hunting trip, spotted something strange on

570
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:05.000
<v Speaker 1>the side of the road. At first, they thought it

571
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:07.559
<v Speaker 1>was a mannequin abandoned in a ditch, but when they

572
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:10.720
<v Speaker 1>got closer, they realized it was not that. It was

573
00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:13.359
<v Speaker 1>the burnt remains of a person.

574
00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:15.440
<v Speaker 2>And literally just right on the side of the road.

575
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:16.359
<v Speaker 1>Yep, exactly.

576
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:17.960
<v Speaker 2>So they didn't even give a shit to try to

577
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:18.960
<v Speaker 2>hide what they did at all.

578
00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Nope, no, not at all. Now. The two brothers were

579
00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:25.200
<v Speaker 1>shocked and immediately rushed to find a phone and called

580
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:28.079
<v Speaker 1>nine to one one. They waited at the scene until

581
00:31:28.119 --> 00:31:32.000
<v Speaker 1>state troopers and detectives arrived, and the investigators processed the area,

582
00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:36.640
<v Speaker 1>gathering evidence and took statements from the two brothers as well. Initially,

583
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:39.559
<v Speaker 1>they suspected that the crime was gang related because of

584
00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:43.599
<v Speaker 1>the way that Shanda's body had been posed suggestively, and

585
00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:47.319
<v Speaker 1>there were severe burns across her body, but particularly the

586
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:50.559
<v Speaker 1>worst of it was on her face and hands, which

587
00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:53.079
<v Speaker 1>made identifying her extremely difficult.

588
00:31:53.559 --> 00:31:55.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, I see.

589
00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So while the investigation was underway, Shanda's father Will

590
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:03.880
<v Speaker 1>up and realized that Shanda wasn't in her room, mind

591
00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:05.960
<v Speaker 1>you this is still quite early in the morning, right.

592
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:10.079
<v Speaker 2>But I'm sure just assuming that she like snuck out

593
00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:11.599
<v Speaker 2>and would return, right.

594
00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:14.799
<v Speaker 1>Well, he searched the house and the surrounding area, but

595
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:17.559
<v Speaker 1>he couldn't find her. It was not like her to

596
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:20.839
<v Speaker 1>be gone like this or anything, right, she never did

597
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:23.279
<v Speaker 1>this sort of stuff. And I'm sure her sneaking out

598
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:25.599
<v Speaker 1>at midnight to go to the witch's cabin or whatever,

599
00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:28.559
<v Speaker 1>it probably would have been the first time of her sneaking.

600
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:31.240
<v Speaker 2>Out, Okay, So it was like really out of character.

601
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:33.839
<v Speaker 1>Very much so out of character. So he was worried,

602
00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:36.279
<v Speaker 1>and he called Shanda's mother right away and both of

603
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:40.160
<v Speaker 1>them began looking for them for their daughter. Together. By

604
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:43.079
<v Speaker 1>that afternoon, they couldn't find her, and they contacted local

605
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:45.799
<v Speaker 1>authorities and filed a missing persons report with the Clark

606
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:51.359
<v Speaker 1>County Sheriff's Department. Later that evening, at about eight twenty pm,

607
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:54.799
<v Speaker 1>Hope Rippy and Tony Lawrence, two of the girls involved

608
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:57.599
<v Speaker 1>in the crime, showed up to the police station with

609
00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:02.680
<v Speaker 1>their parents. The two girls were hysterical and struggled to

610
00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:09.400
<v Speaker 1>explain what had happened, but eventually they confessed everything, revealing

611
00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:11.599
<v Speaker 1>that the burnt body that was found earlier that day

612
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:16.119
<v Speaker 1>was the body of Shanda Sharer. They described the entire

613
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:18.039
<v Speaker 1>sequence of events in detail.

614
00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:21.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh why could they not have that conscience earlier?

615
00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:27.119
<v Speaker 1>Hey, right now, I do believe that, like you mentioned,

616
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:31.119
<v Speaker 1>as it was happening, that they could have been terrified

617
00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:34.039
<v Speaker 1>of Melinda. It could have been scared, which I'm sure

618
00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:36.240
<v Speaker 1>did play a role in this. They didn't know what

619
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:38.759
<v Speaker 1>to do. They are terrified for their own safety and

620
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:42.680
<v Speaker 1>stuff as well. But it's still why couldn't that have

621
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:47.079
<v Speaker 1>come sooner? It's unfortunate. Now, Shanda's missing person's case was

622
00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:49.720
<v Speaker 1>soon linked to the body found that morning, of course,

623
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:53.880
<v Speaker 1>and detectives obtained dental records to officially confirm her identity.

624
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:58.240
<v Speaker 1>The results tragically confirmed that, yes, indeed it was Shanda. Now.

625
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Doctor George Nichols conducted she AND's autopsy, which revealed the

626
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:05.559
<v Speaker 1>extent of her injuries that she had suffered. Some of

627
00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:07.960
<v Speaker 1>the things that they found were ligature marks in her wrists,

628
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<v Speaker 1>and she had deep cuts on her head, neck, legs.

629
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<v Speaker 1>Her fingers were badly damaged, so much so that they

630
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:17.840
<v Speaker 1>actually had to be cut off to obtain fingerprints. Most

631
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:20.440
<v Speaker 1>of Shanda's upper body was covered in third and fourth

632
00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:23.599
<v Speaker 1>thor gree burns, But one of the most haunting findings

633
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:28.679
<v Speaker 1>from the autopsy was the soot in her airway, which

634
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:32.480
<v Speaker 1>indicated that she was still alive when the gasoline was

635
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:40.199
<v Speaker 1>poured on her and she was set on fire. No, Ben, No, yes,

636
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:41.559
<v Speaker 1>she was still.

637
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:45.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, Okay.

638
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:47.480
<v Speaker 1>I told you, this case keeps going.

639
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:50.280
<v Speaker 2>Wow, wow, wow. I did not expect that.

640
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:54.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was pretty mortified when I learned that.

641
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

642
00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:57.440
<v Speaker 1>And I can't blame you and your reaction either, because

643
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:01.800
<v Speaker 1>that is heartbreaking. How many many times did she survive

644
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:06.239
<v Speaker 1>to just be knocked down again by these girls?

645
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:13.840
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, man, I mean they and I don't know

646
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:16.159
<v Speaker 2>if I can. I'll just say that. The problem too

647
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:19.239
<v Speaker 2>is like with young offenders, I feel like then just

648
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:22.599
<v Speaker 2>the chances of them get them getting out, like they

649
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:24.280
<v Speaker 2>still get to live their life at some point.

650
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:28.159
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's just it's a very it's very frustrating

651
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:33.039
<v Speaker 1>to the end, I said, anyway, I digress, We're in

652
00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:35.960
<v Speaker 1>for more than I digress. Let's continue.

653
00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:37.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I don't know if I can take

654
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:38.320
<v Speaker 2>any more of this.

655
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:42.000
<v Speaker 1>The next day, Melinda Lovelace and Lori Tackett were arrested

656
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:46.800
<v Speaker 1>while Hope and Tony were already in the police custody

657
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:49.840
<v Speaker 1>right having confessed to the roles earlier. The four teenage

658
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:53.559
<v Speaker 1>girls were all charged as adults for their role in

659
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:57.239
<v Speaker 1>the torture and killing of Shanda Sharer. By April of

660
00:35:57.320 --> 00:36:01.360
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety two, Tony Lawrence, the least involved in the violence,

661
00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:05.000
<v Speaker 1>struck a deal with prosecutors. By accepting a plea bargain,

662
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:09.480
<v Speaker 1>she avoided harsher penalties and agreed to testify against the others.

663
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:13.000
<v Speaker 1>She was sentenced to twenty years in prison, but was

664
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:16.679
<v Speaker 1>released on parole after serving just nine years. In the

665
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:21.400
<v Speaker 1>year two thousand, Hope Rippy, who had played a significant

666
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:23.159
<v Speaker 1>role in the crime but has seen as more of

667
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:28.000
<v Speaker 1>an influence seen more influenced by Melinda as we kind

668
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:30.840
<v Speaker 1>of already discussed a bit, also reached a plea deal

669
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:33.800
<v Speaker 1>with prosecutors and was sentenced to thirty five years in

670
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:38.119
<v Speaker 1>prison In two thousand and four. Hope's sentence was reduced

671
00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:41.199
<v Speaker 1>on an appeal, and she was eventually released on parole

672
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:44.280
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and six after serving just fourteen years

673
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:48.400
<v Speaker 1>of her sentence. In the year two thousand, both Melinda

674
00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:52.199
<v Speaker 1>Lovelace and Lorie Tackett, two of the main perpetrators, also

675
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:56.239
<v Speaker 1>accepted plea bargains, a decision that spared them from facing

676
00:36:56.400 --> 00:37:00.639
<v Speaker 1>the death penalty. Both were sentenced to sixty years in

677
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:03.679
<v Speaker 1>prison for their roles in the torture and murder of

678
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:10.280
<v Speaker 1>Shanda Sharer. However, Melinda and Lourie were both paroled earlier

679
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:14.880
<v Speaker 1>than expected. Laurie Tackett was released in twenty eighteen after

680
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:18.559
<v Speaker 1>serving twenty six years, while Melinda Lovelass was granted parole

681
00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:23.880
<v Speaker 1>in twenty nineteen after serving twenty five years. All four

682
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:28.519
<v Speaker 1>girls are out of prison and free.

683
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:32.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm just sitting here like glaring at you, Yes you are.

684
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:33.559
<v Speaker 2>Is it making you uncomfortable?

685
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:37.760
<v Speaker 1>A little bit? For my own safety? At their uncomfortable?

686
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Just pissed, right, I told you. It's frustrating to the end.

687
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Is there fucking more? There? Better not be anymore.

688
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:55.519
<v Speaker 1>The aftermath of Shanda's death death left her family absolutely devastating.

689
00:37:55.559 --> 00:38:00.159
<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, Steve Sharer, Shanda's father, struggled to cope the

690
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:03.880
<v Speaker 1>loss of his daughter and turned alcohol. His grief absolutely

691
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:07.840
<v Speaker 1>consumed him. Unable to find a way forward. After Shanda's murder,

692
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:12.320
<v Speaker 1>Steve his health deteriorated and he tragically passed away in

693
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:15.519
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and five from alcohol related complications. He was

694
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:18.800
<v Speaker 1>fifty three years old. He drank himself to death.

695
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:27.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh man oh okay Okay.

696
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:32.079
<v Speaker 1>Shanda's mother, Jackie Vaught, suffered her own immense grief, but

697
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:34.519
<v Speaker 1>her response to the events in the years that followed

698
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:39.880
<v Speaker 1>would take a surprising and compassionate turn. During Melinda's sentence hearing,

699
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:42.960
<v Speaker 1>it was revealed that she herself had been a victim

700
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:46.519
<v Speaker 1>of horrific abuse at the hands of her father, Larry Lovelace.

701
00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:50.639
<v Speaker 1>As I kind of alluded to earlier, he had subject

702
00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:54.760
<v Speaker 1>his family to years of physical and sexual abuse. In

703
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:57.920
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety three, Larry was arrested on charges of rape, sodomy,

704
00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:00.800
<v Speaker 1>and sexual battery. He spent two two years in jail

705
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:04.320
<v Speaker 1>awaiting trial, but due to Indiana's state statue of limitations,

706
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:07.920
<v Speaker 1>most charges were dropped, and ultimately he pleaded guilty to

707
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:11.519
<v Speaker 1>one count of sexual battery and was released in nineteen

708
00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:17.519
<v Speaker 1>ninety five, having already served his time. Now, while in prison,

709
00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Melinda sought a new path and became involved in the

710
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:25.360
<v Speaker 1>ICA N or the i CAN, which is the Indiana

711
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Canine Assistants Network program where inmates train service dogs. She

712
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:34.480
<v Speaker 1>gained a reputation for her skill and dedication, often even

713
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:38.000
<v Speaker 1>being asked with help on dogs that were specifically difficult

714
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:41.440
<v Speaker 1>to train. Her work with dogs allowed her to show

715
00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:45.599
<v Speaker 1>love and compassion in a way that contrasted sharply with

716
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:51.320
<v Speaker 1>her past actions. Shanda's mother, Jackie, eventually learned of Melinda's

717
00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:54.639
<v Speaker 1>work with the I CAN. She was contacted by a

718
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:58.159
<v Speaker 1>man named Charlie Petrizo, a burn victim and breeder for

719
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:00.280
<v Speaker 1>the I CAN, who shared footage of a mo into

720
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:04.599
<v Speaker 1>training the dogs in prison. After Jackie watched the video,

721
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:08.960
<v Speaker 1>she was actually struck by Melinda's sincerity and compassion. In

722
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:12.760
<v Speaker 1>twenty twelve, Jackie made an extraordinary decision to donate a

723
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:17.199
<v Speaker 1>puppy that she named Angel to the program in Shanda's honor,

724
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:22.840
<v Speaker 1>allowing Melinda to train that dog. Reflecting on her decision,

725
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Jackie said, quote, Melinda was sincere, she was compassionate. I

726
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:30.920
<v Speaker 1>think the IKAM program allows her to have something in

727
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:34.000
<v Speaker 1>her life that she can show love back to and

728
00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:37.079
<v Speaker 1>there's never betrayal on either side.

729
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:40.719
<v Speaker 2>Jackie. Okay, Well, first of all, we're just like all

730
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:43.119
<v Speaker 2>having a process this at once, and I guess Jackie

731
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:45.480
<v Speaker 2>has had a bit of time. But like she is

732
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:50.639
<v Speaker 2>a fucking saint. Yes, like that is unbelievable. Yes, that

733
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:54.679
<v Speaker 2>you could. I don't know even you know be that strong.

734
00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:55.719
<v Speaker 1>I agree.

735
00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:56.360
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

736
00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Now there is a bit of, of course, controversy surrounding

737
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:05.079
<v Speaker 1>Melinda and what she endured growing up, which I do

738
00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:10.119
<v Speaker 1>not doubt played a part in her actions upon Shanda.

739
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:13.960
<v Speaker 1>But we've said it on this podcast before. It doesn't

740
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:17.639
<v Speaker 1>excuse your actions. In my opinion, it does not excuse

741
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:21.920
<v Speaker 1>your actions. Your history may shape you, but you have

742
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:25.280
<v Speaker 1>control of your present and future. Your actions are your own.

743
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Of course, I mean there's always room for argument within that,

744
00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:34.480
<v Speaker 1>but that's a general statement, a blanket statement or that.

745
00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:44.960
<v Speaker 1>But Jackie sees it as Melinda suffered too, and at

746
00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:49.599
<v Speaker 1>the hands of Melinda, her daughter suffered. But that doesn't

747
00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:52.599
<v Speaker 1>mean that more people have to suffer, whether it's her,

748
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:57.880
<v Speaker 1>whether it's Melinda suffering more. That's what I see. She's

749
00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:00.679
<v Speaker 1>wanting to put an end to that psych of suffering.

750
00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Melinda's father made her suffer, Melinda made Shanda suffer. Why

751
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:11.000
<v Speaker 1>does Jackie have to make or why does Jackie have

752
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:15.360
<v Speaker 1>to make Melinda suffer or Melinda make Jackie suffer, so

753
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:17.559
<v Speaker 1>props to her. I don't know if I could do it,

754
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:19.840
<v Speaker 1>but she's wanting to put an end to that cycle

755
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:25.480
<v Speaker 1>of suffering that it seems just incredible to me. Yeah. Now,

756
00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:28.519
<v Speaker 1>although the girls serve time for their roles in Shanda's murder,

757
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:31.360
<v Speaker 1>their early release have been met with very much so

758
00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:34.039
<v Speaker 1>mixed emotions from the public. For many, the pain of

759
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:37.280
<v Speaker 1>Shanda's death has not faded, and her legacy remains a

760
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:41.920
<v Speaker 1>very haunting reminder of the senseless brutality of her murder

761
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:45.639
<v Speaker 1>and what those four girls did that day. And that's

762
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:47.360
<v Speaker 1>the case of Shanda Sharer.

763
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:54.159
<v Speaker 2>What just like a just a complete pile of shit case.

764
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:56.639
<v Speaker 1>I thought you were gonna say, what the fuck just happened?

765
00:42:57.119 --> 00:42:59.599
<v Speaker 2>Well that too, I don't even know, Like I don't

766
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:01.880
<v Speaker 2>even know what's where I am right now.

767
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:04.599
<v Speaker 1>I told you, it's frustrating to the end.

768
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:08.320
<v Speaker 2>But this is the end. There's nothing else, is okay.

769
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:11.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you literally drop something else, like I'm done, No,

770
00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:12.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm leaving.

771
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:16.039
<v Speaker 1>This is it. That's the end. We're done. Laptop being closed,

772
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:19.239
<v Speaker 1>that's it, the end. That's the story.

773
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:24.039
<v Speaker 2>I know it is. It's actually quite hard to process

774
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:27.239
<v Speaker 2>this one. I'm not gonna lie. It is and I

775
00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:29.840
<v Speaker 2>don't necessary. It's hard to even talk about it now

776
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:33.559
<v Speaker 2>because I don't know. It is like yeah, because Melinda

777
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:39.000
<v Speaker 2>was like very abused, but I'm not okay right now

778
00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:44.159
<v Speaker 2>with what happened, So I can't look at it like

779
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:48.079
<v Speaker 2>the mom did right yet you know, understandable, like it's

780
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:50.519
<v Speaker 2>just something you have to process. I think, and whole

781
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:52.039
<v Speaker 2>that was unreal like.

782
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:54.760
<v Speaker 1>As I said, past actions or past things you've gone through,

783
00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:58.320
<v Speaker 1>past traumas. It doesn't excuse murdering a fucking person. No,

784
00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:03.360
<v Speaker 1>it never will. It just doesn't. And in my mind,

785
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:10.079
<v Speaker 1>Shanda was murdered four times. They beat her to be unconscious,

786
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:13.360
<v Speaker 1>and she came back and they did it again, and

787
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:15.880
<v Speaker 1>then she came back and they did it again, and

788
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:18.599
<v Speaker 1>they lit her on fire and left her behind, and

789
00:44:18.639 --> 00:44:19.880
<v Speaker 1>then she finally died.

790
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:22.599
<v Speaker 2>Well in that time, well, I mean each time they

791
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:23.400
<v Speaker 2>thought that she was.

792
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Dead, right, I guess, so they murdered her four times. Yeah,

793
00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:30.480
<v Speaker 1>they're like, yeah, we killed her. Oh she's actually alive.

794
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:31.679
<v Speaker 1>They let us kill her.

795
00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:33.400
<v Speaker 2>They made that decision four times.

796
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:38.679
<v Speaker 1>They made the decision to murder her four separate times, which.

797
00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Is just just like she pure evil hate.

798
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like you don't get a second chance, let alone

799
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:49.480
<v Speaker 1>a third earf Like how many people would say if

800
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:53.400
<v Speaker 1>I could go back and correct my actions, Like how

801
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:56.000
<v Speaker 1>many people who have killed someone and they're sitting in

802
00:44:56.039 --> 00:44:59.639
<v Speaker 1>prison and they are so remorseful about it. There's people

803
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:02.400
<v Speaker 1>out there, and if I could turn back that fucking clock.

804
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:07.320
<v Speaker 1>These girls were given the opportunity to turn back the clock,

805
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:12.000
<v Speaker 1>and four times they chose to kill.

806
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, you're just I'm curious. I guess if they

807
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:18.159
<v Speaker 2>show if they're remorseful now, I feel like it would

808
00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:21.840
<v Speaker 2>just be so hard to go about. I mean, like

809
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:24.320
<v Speaker 2>living your life after that. Gosh, I feel like that's

810
00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:27.039
<v Speaker 2>all you would ever think about, or I see in

811
00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:27.519
<v Speaker 2>your head.

812
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:29.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't doubt that every single one of them is

813
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:33.480
<v Speaker 1>remorseful now, in my opinion. I don't know for a fact,

814
00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:37.119
<v Speaker 1>but that's gonna be my guess. I'm assuming none of

815
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:39.519
<v Speaker 1>them are sitting here thinking, yeah, you know, I'm happy

816
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:42.280
<v Speaker 1>I did that. I'm pretty sure they're all remorseful of it.

817
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:46.440
<v Speaker 1>Many of us are, as you already said, remorseful of

818
00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:49.320
<v Speaker 1>what we looked like at twelve years old, and so

819
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:52.159
<v Speaker 1>to be doing something that harsh when you're that young

820
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:54.920
<v Speaker 1>and you grow up and you're like, holy fuck, I'm

821
00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:56.360
<v Speaker 1>pretty sure they're remorseful of it.

822
00:45:56.559 --> 00:45:58.639
<v Speaker 2>Well. No, If I'm being honest, though, I'd rather be

823
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:02.039
<v Speaker 2>embarrassing at twelve year olds twelve years old than what

824
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:06.079
<v Speaker 2>twelve year olds are nowadays. I prefer my embarrassment.

825
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:08.079
<v Speaker 1>You don't want to be like doing all those tiktoks

826
00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:10.199
<v Speaker 1>now stuff. No, no, you don't want to be a

827
00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:14.000
<v Speaker 1>little like twelve year old instagrammer. No, fair enough. I

828
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:16.400
<v Speaker 1>just collected Pokemon back in the day when I was twelve,

829
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:19.559
<v Speaker 1>and honestly, that sounds great. I do that now at

830
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:21.440
<v Speaker 1>thirty six. I should do that now at thirty six.

831
00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:24.880
<v Speaker 1>I haven't played Pokemon going a long time. I should.

832
00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:27.440
<v Speaker 2>What were we just saying before I had something to say?

833
00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

834
00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:30.280
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, well no, I can't remember now. What were we

835
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:31.559
<v Speaker 2>just saying prior to.

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<v Speaker 1>This about being remorseful about how old?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yes, well it wasn't really exactly about that. But

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<v Speaker 2>these these girls, they still are living like a significant

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<v Speaker 2>chunk of life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, right, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I'm just trying to like, I'm trying to calculate

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<v Speaker 2>it in my head, say they were born like seventy

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<v Speaker 2>five or something I'm thinking around.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we'll put it this way. Melinda was sixteen, she

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<v Speaker 1>served twenty five years, she got a one.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a much easier way.

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<v Speaker 1>Just add the two numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>My brain is just like mush at this point. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't even comprehenate, like life. Yeah, that is a big

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<v Speaker 2>chunk of life that they get to live.

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<v Speaker 1>And the largest served time was twenty six I'm assuming

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<v Speaker 1>she was sixteen as well, so that means the oldest

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<v Speaker 1>would have been forty two. Yeah, the oldest age being

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<v Speaker 1>let out of prison was forty two.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it is a big chunk of time also

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<v Speaker 2>being served. But then yeah, you get to just like

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<v Speaker 2>live your life, and they took that away from someone,

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<v Speaker 2>which is what's hard, right. Yeah, Yeah, Okay, Wow, you

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<v Speaker 2>really really did this to us today. I'm sorry, and

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<v Speaker 2>don't be afraid for Ben's life. He is quite fine.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was just like I couldn't even look at

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<v Speaker 2>you at times. I'm just I was just so livid.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, what don't I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Who could take that seriously? That's bad. Ben's quite fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I am very fine. I am safe in my own

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<v Speaker 1>I am very safe home I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Joking, searching. I came home with snacks for you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so nice you did.

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<v Speaker 2>I also gave you a little bowl of cheeses and

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<v Speaker 2>then some sort of little alcoholic beverage.

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<v Speaker 1>It was delicious.

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<v Speaker 2>So you are. I am kind to you.

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<v Speaker 1>You. You definitely are.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes maybe not, but the majority of.

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<v Speaker 1>The time, sometimes maybe not a majority. I'm a good person.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, no one is good percent of the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I mean, not like terribles and murdering people, but

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<v Speaker 2>like you can be an asshole at times.

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<v Speaker 1>I can be an asshole the time.

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<v Speaker 2>People can Oh my gosh, I'm rambling. We got it.

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<v Speaker 2>Where this is done.

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<v Speaker 1>I could just do this for hours, just like loop

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<v Speaker 1>you around and just mess with you. Oh man, Okay, anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you guys for being here. I am definitely safe.

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<v Speaker 1>Do not take those things that I said seriously. I

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<v Speaker 1>was joking. I feel very safe at home with the calls.

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<v Speaker 1>She is the love of my life and we are

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<v Speaker 1>very happy. We are happy that you guys are here

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<v Speaker 1>with us through this podcast, So thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>It means a lot to us. You can check out

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<v Speaker 1>the description of the show, find all our links Instagram, Facebook, YouTube,

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<v Speaker 1>you name it. It's all down there, including the last

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<v Speaker 1>few tickets to our events. Our event coming up which

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<v Speaker 1>is a local event only, so you can't buy the

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<v Speaker 1>ticket and attend virtually you have to be in here

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<v Speaker 1>in person, in town. But there's last few tickets left

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<v Speaker 1>for that murder mystery that's available, and I believe, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if you go through our Facebook, the event is there

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<v Speaker 1>and you can find that link to buy those tickets.

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<v Speaker 2>I did put the link on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>There we go. Fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>You can find it many ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so thank you for being here, and until Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>stay wicked.