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Speaker 1: As you know, Connie Corso's are very big, very strong,

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very powerful dogs. He had a mama with a litter

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of pups that were sleeping in a shed near his house.

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They had gone to town the grocery shopping. They came

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back and noticed that the shed was damaged. Some of

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the sighting was off, so he went out there to

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check on the mama dog and the pups all were gone.

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The tin on the shed had been peeled back the

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mama dog. He searched for it, finally found a trail

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of blood found where she was up in a tree.

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had been slung by her back legs until she was

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dead and just discarded and ended up hanging off a branch.

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The pubs were never fail.

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Speaker 2: The infinite complacent people went to and pro fears about

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their little affairs, serene in the assurance of their dominion

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over this small binning fragment of solar drip wood, which,

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by chance or design, man has inherited out of the

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dark mystery of time and space.

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Speaker 3: On this episode of Into the Fray, I welcome Joe

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Johnson on with me, and he's actually in the falk, Arkansas, area,

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and you can visit him at Western Arkansas Paranormal. So

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he doesn't do just cryptid stuff. I've got a Sasquatch

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experience tanked up on today for you, Joe, with the

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Sasquatch track on it. So we are ready to talk

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about some bigfoot today, which includes of course the legend

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of Boggy Creek, which we all know and love so much.

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But welcome on the show, Joe.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 3: So we were kind of chatting a little bit over Facebook,

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Messenger and then also email, and You're like, yeah, I'm

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definitely into the bigfoot stuff and we can talk about that.

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But it sounds like you got your start and kind

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of your inception, maybe not by choice in the paranormal,

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because you do have paranormal experiences that go back to

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you say, when you were a child, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. I had my first full body apparition

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when I was about five years old and my grandparents'

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old house. I'm not sure if I sent you that photo,

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but it was an old farmhouse in East Texas, and

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like I said, I was about five, so fifty two

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years ago, given my age away unfortunately, but yeah, so

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I vividly remember it was the way the house was

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set up. There was a dining room in the kitchen,

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and then a spare bedroom that was attached just off

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the kitchen, which is where we stayed whenever we came

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to visit my grandparents. And I was playing in the

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dining room and I saw somebody walk into the kitchen.

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she walked into the bedroom. So I get up walk

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into the bedroom, I mean just a few seconds after,

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and there was nobody in there. So I'm like hollering

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for my mom, Mom, Mom, where are you? And she goes,

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so I cut through the doorway that separated the living

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room area from the kitchen and going there, and her

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and my grandparents are sitting on the sofa watching TV.

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the bedroom? She goes, no, I've been sitting here the

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whole time. And I immediately got freaked out because I mean,

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my five year old mind couldn't comprehend what I was

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seeing and what was happening. So I mean I immediately got

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very very upset in crying and scared, and my grandfather

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jumped up and thought, well, you know, he'd obviously saw something,

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so he went in there to check it out and investigate,

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and there was nobody in there, no signs that anybody

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had come into the house. So yeah, that that stuck

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with me for quite a few years, which got me

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interested the older I got and was able to understand more.

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I was fifteen years old, that's how I started. I

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called it doing the an investigation Hans Holzer style. It

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was with a portable audio recorder tape recorder and a

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pad of paper and a pencil or a pen you know,

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didn't have a camera at the time, but you know

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some EVP action while I was out.

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Hans Holtzer stuff because one of my very first ghosty

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paranoi normal books that I ever got was hardcover Hans

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Holtzer's Haunted America. And I think it's got the dust

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jacket with the graveyard seeing on it. I've got it

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somewhere in a box. I don't even think I have

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that one out. But Hans Holtzer is just classic old

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school just and I understand wanting to emulate him, you know,

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go with you. Was there any reason for there to

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be an apparition in that home in your grandparents place?

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on the place. They sold the house about six months

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to a year later and moved to way north of

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Dallas instead of East Texas. So and I've hadn't been

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back to that house since. I just happened to find

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the polaroid picture of it, or my mom found it

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in a big box of pictures that she had. She said,

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you want this. I'm like, well, yeah, you know, so,

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picture of the house. Uh, but you know, it's it's

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funny it East Texas seems to be a really big hotspot.

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Speaker 1: Grand Sealine is famous for the salt mines, So there's

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a large salt content underground in that portion of East Texas.

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and go in paraor you know, ghost research, you know,

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to the paranormal and uh, you know it it tracks

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over the years. There's lay lines that come through there

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real close. So you know, there's so many different things

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that could be causing that large amount of paranormal activity

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people don't realize Texas is not just one big dust

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bowl with tumbleweeds. It's got regular desert. You get a

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little bit more high desert and then you have actual

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forested areas and that's why there are so many bigfoot

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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, And dogmen, yeah, which you know that for

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feral dogs which are also a little scary in the

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hogs and all that. Absolutely, absolutely so once you saw

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this apparition, did at five did that change? Do you

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recall not sleeping as well? Or did it scare you?

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things in this world that we're not quite sure about

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that are right there with us.

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that at that point in time in my life and

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my brain development at five years old, seeing that may

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have given me an ability to see through the veil

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a little bit more than most people do. I remember

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that time, seeing shadow people walk around the room. I

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remember seeing unexplained things in the corners just out of

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the corner of my eye, and not only that I

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sensed it. Now, nobody by no means saying that I'm psychic,

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because I'm not. I'm about a psychic as a rock.

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can pick up on people's emotions and their feelings and

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what their actions are going to be next. Ever, since

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into my main professional career that I had was in

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law enforcement, private investigations, and private security work. A big

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obviously to for whatever reason. Most of my cases were

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insurance fraud. But I was able to always get the

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goods because I was able to anticipate what they were

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going to do, not visualize it, but anticipate it, you know,

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call it a gut feeling instinct, if you will. So

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and people will just come up to them, you know,

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just out of the blue, start a conversation or come

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up and want you to give them pets, if it's

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a dog or a cat or whatever. And that always

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that same age, and even until now. You know, people

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say you got to watch out for my dog. You

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may buy it, and they come up and they love

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with anybody, you know. So I really feel like being

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lot of paranormal experiences in my forty two years. Have

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you know. It's really it's strange to me that, you know,

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people spend years of doing this and they snap thousands

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what helps their belief system, great, you know, I'm not

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you know. And I have seen some actual real orbs

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which look totally different than what you see in the

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pictures flying across the screen. But I think it's also

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helped enhance my bigfoot investigations as well. Had some pretty

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remarkable evidence being out in the woods in my research

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area too, So it all kind of goes hand in hand.

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apparition unlocked something for you. Do you think that? You

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maybe it's their spouse or whoever else is in the house,

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and they go, well, if if they would have seen

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this or experienced it, it may not have registered, or

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poo pooed it away, you know, whatever it might have been,

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or however little they might have reacted to it. Compared

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to what, like, you really reacted to that apparition?

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Speaker 1: Do you?

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of course, so it's just conjecture like everything, But do

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you think that because you you did have react to it,

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a real possibility, you know. I think the best comparison

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or visualization that I can give you and everybody knows

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the story of Peter Pan, you know, and when they

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forget how to be a child and have the child's

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open mind is when they forget how to fly, you know.

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that wasn't normal, that there's something different about this situation.

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guess nobody knows. But if it is, then why wouldn't

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these things that can interact with us? And some do

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and happiness sometimes, which is nice for those folks versus

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the other. Maybe word does get passed around, Oh Joe, Jose,

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Joe's one that sees us. We get to we get

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to play with Joe.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, and that I think that does happen.

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You know, I'm a firm believer that you know, our

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our conscious does go on after we cease to exist

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in the physical body for two reasons. Number one, I'm

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a Christian and that's the basis of the Christian teachings

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is that you know there is a heaven and uh so,

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no matter what you want to call it, what's your

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belief system that you have. We know within our hearts

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as individuals that there's something else after. So if there's

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logic would then dictate if there's something else after, then

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there has to be a multitude of souls someplace that

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are able to communicate with one another to say, hey,

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like you said, this guy he knows you know, let's

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talk to him or attempt to or whatever. You know. Again,

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I'm not saying I'm psychic. I'm not saying I can

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talk to the dead. But there's something that was flipped

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on in my brain at five years old that has

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enabled me to see past the veil that steporates life

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from death. I'm not saying that it's anything mystical or

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anything like that. I think it's an ability that we

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all have depending on how our brain is wired, and

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mine got wired in such a way at a young

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age that enabled me to continue to pursue and finanswers

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and develop my belief system.

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Speaker 3: Are you aware of anyone else in your family that

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is sensitive in any way?

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Speaker 1: My mom, my grandmother was all on my mom's side

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of the family, which if you've studied anything, and I

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hate to say use the word a cult, but you know,

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or witchcraft, but it's always on the mother's side and

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always runs through with the females. You know. True, they

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say that there's wizards and this, that and the other.

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I think it's just something that's passed on naturally in

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our genes, in our genetics.

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Speaker 3: So you've seen shadow people and that's one of the

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few things that I've seen with my own eyes. They

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didn't interact with me. I just feel like I was watching,

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almost like watching a movie. If they had interacted with me,

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I feel like it would have been a much different

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experience for me. The shadow beings that you've seen, is

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this more like a fleeting out of the corner of

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your eye in your own home, or is this on

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location that is much like mind where it's more like

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a real playing. What kinds of shadow beings have you seen.

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Speaker 1: Both both of those that you described. I can recall

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being on an investigation with the paranoral normal group that

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I was associated with here in my area, great people,

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Adrian and Tina scalf and it's a River Valley Paranormal

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Research and Investigations r vp r I. I was associated

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with them, and Adrian and Tina they tell their stories

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in different conferences all over the country. So we were

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at a I have to say undisclosed location because of

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the agreements that were made in order to get in there.

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But we all had seen something at the end of

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a hall through a separation that it was like a

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tea where the hallway teed into another and we were

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looking down the one straight and the tea was in

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front of us. We all saw something in the shadows moving,

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so we kind of hunkered down, were quiet, just observing,

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and we could see it moving. We could see it,

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you know, sticking its head around the corner, you know,

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all the typical things that you would expect to see.

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And at the time, you know, we announced whenever we're

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going to take a photo, you know, okay, fix and

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take a photo. That way everybody could shield their eyes

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because of the flash. I took two photos and suggest succession,

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I will spit it out in a minute, and got

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film at the end of the hall, standing about halfway

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in between the the divider and you know, kind of

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leaning out. So yeah, I've seen the shadow figures even

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in this home which I bought this house nine years ago.

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No history that I know of as far as anything paranormal.

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But it wasn't long after me and my now deceased

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wife had seen several things start happening, strange things, little things,

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just us in the house. We were in the living

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room one night, the back bedroom a man coughing. You know,

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so I go back there, look, walk around the house.

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Nobody's there. You know, certain things that you know you

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just sat down, can't find it an hour or two later,

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it's sitting someplace else or right back where you left,

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you know, just little things like that. But I have

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seen a shadow, people like objects, i mean put it

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that way, moving around the house at night, you know.

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So it's a it's interesting. It's interesting how again that

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I've become so in tune that I'm able to see

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him in a home that literally has no history of

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a death in it or a paranormal background.

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Speaker 3: Isn't it strange how some of the like you'll always

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remember hearing that cough that you and your wife hurt.

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I'm sorry to hear about your wife, by the way, Joe,

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that it was only the one time the cough, Right,

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it was just one of those weird, one off things

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that really made an impression. But it never happened again.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, it's happened several times even now. Okay, yeah,

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so it's it's continued, which leads me to kind of

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believe it may be a kind of a replane type

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of But it's just unusual. Again, like I said, no

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history of this house having anything. Now, having said that,

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the land may be a totally different story, right, you know,

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there may have been something here prior before this house

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even being put here back in the eighties, so you know,

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we may further back this This town has been around

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for a little while now.

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Speaker 3: I'm not trying to docks your location, are you? Are

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you just a round Falc? Are you near Falc?

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Speaker 1: Actually, I'm originally from Texa, Cana, which is just north

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of Falk about fifteen twenty miles max. My research area

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is down on the Suffolk River Watershed just north of Doddridge, Arkansas,

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which is just south of the Mercer Bio. So, but

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where I live now currently is in Greenwood, which is

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just south of Fort Smith.

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Speaker 3: I've actually never been to that area, have never been

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to Falc. As many times as I've talked about Falc

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and the legend of Boggy Creek and Bigfoot, that's one

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place that I have got to go.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: I noticed on your website that there's a Fouc expedition

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that you guys did. That was a few years back, right, Well.

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Speaker 1: That was the very first one that we decided to do.

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We've actually started doing. The property owner as a friend

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of mine, Dole Holmes. He can be seen on several

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different TV shows concerning the Boggy Creek Monster. He is

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a fortunate man that lives his property, is very active

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in the land surrounding and is very active with the activity.

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He's had experiences, i mean type a experiences several times

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in the last twenty some odd years that he's lived

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there and on that property. One of them lasted thirty minutes.

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He watched from a canoe out in the middle of

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mercer Bio and watched one for about half an hour.

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Speaker 3: What was it doing.

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Speaker 1: It was kicking around just in the off the shore

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in the water, just kicking around. And then he'd been

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down to pick something up. And you know, Dole's impression

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was that he was looking for muscles, you know, probably

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to eat. But he said that as far as he knew,

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he knew I was in the boat, I knew he

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was standing there. He just really didn't care and didn't

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pay him any mind. And when he was done kicking

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around the water, he just kind of turned around and

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walked off. Wow you know, so, yeah, yeah, it was.

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Dole's got some great stories from his experiences. He's he

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walked up and startled a female with her infant one

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night and she screamed, he screamed, He ran, she ran,

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you know, so it was it was quite hilarious the

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way he tells it. But uh so, yeah, we we

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So with the extraditions, we we started doing them last

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going on two months ago now, I think it was

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in March. We hosted the b f R expedition out there,

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so and that went what really really well. We're talking

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seasoned Bigfoot investigators going all over the country. Some of

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them have been from coast to coast and north to

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south investigating Bigfoot, and they were just blown away by

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the activities that we were having around that property. And

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so they are all very very excited to look forward

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to the next one, so, you know, which we're planning

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on doing more. Doyle and I spent a week just

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the two of us building a building out there just

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for a bathroom and shower and sink, you know. That

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way the ladies didn't have to go find a tree

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or go out in the middle of the woods, you know.

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So we we decided we were going to do that.

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We got it done before the b FRO expedition and

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everybody was quite pleased as they had a place to

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go to the restroom.

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Speaker 3: That's always a positive thing, I would say. So these

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expeditions take place somewhere on Doyle's property.

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Speaker 1: The campground that we've got set aside in the in

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the bathroom facility are on his proper maybe half a

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block three quarters of a block from his house as

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you walk as the crow flies. But yeah, it's it's

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on his property. Like I said, he's got I think

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a little over twenty two twenty three acres there and

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uh so it it is very heavily wooded. I have

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had game cam set up for almost two years and

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got some pretty remarkable pictures out there. But uh yeah,

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so we so we hosted there. Uh there's other areas

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like they've been. The last expedition that he did was

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just a couple of weeks ago. I couldn't go because

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I was going to Seattle, but they had numerous experiences.

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They took boats out on the bio at night, and

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so it's been it's been pretty active and it's starting

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to pick up words words getting out, which is good

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for Duel. It's going to help him have a little

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bit of extra income for camping, you know, fees for

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the campground and stuff like that to help support his family.

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Speaker 3: So that's a good I mean, if you've got the activity,

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and it's your property. It just seems like a no

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brainer to try to have folks come out and finally

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get their confirmation experience. Right.

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Speaker 1: So, how absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Is it FAUC Expedition dot com? Was that the website

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that I saw? Or was that tied to your Western

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Arkansas paranormal.

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Speaker 1: It was faluc Expedition dot com or Expedition Faulcon. It's

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one of the two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't remember now either. I will make sure

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to link that though. So then, do you have the

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dates for the next one or not quite yet?

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Speaker 1: Not quite yet, We're still in the planning stages on

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the next one. We look towards either early spring or

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fall light fall, early winter, you know, the first half

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of autumn before it gets really cold. Activities year round.

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But you know, we're looking at the convenience and the

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comfort of the people that will be wanting to come out.

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You know, it's kind of hard to tent camp and

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thirty degree weather.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not fun, not fun at all that After the

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first night, you're just exhausted, you know, and you need

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to have some of your wits about you. And sleep

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is nice. People like sleep. So what about you you

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have you have you heard strange things out there? Have

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you had your own sighting?

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Speaker 1: I have yet to have a visual sighting.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: I have heard call you know, calls, you know, growls,

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tree knocks, you know, all the typical stuff that people

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report I've experienced out there.

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Speaker 3: I mean the calls, is that things that you guys

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are trying to elicit or does that kind of just

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happen on its own out there?

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Speaker 1: Just kind of happens on its own, you know, And

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we kind of discourage people doing hoops and calls themselves

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just because that's not what the bigfoot out there are

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accustomed to, and so we don't want to do that

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and have an effect where they don't come back in

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as they have been for so long.

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Speaker 3: Right, I think that's good, And I would imagine that

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you guys have certain maybe ground rules of because you

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don't want people to come out and go willy nilly,

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and then I mean the activity could just stop all

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together for maybe even years if somebody really screws something up.

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Speaker 1: Right, Oh, absolutely, absolutely, you know it. We just generally

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tell them, you know, we you know, we don't do

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the hoops and the calls, you know, tree knocks are iffy.

476
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,079
But if they insist, you know, or you know, really

477
00:29:39,119 --> 00:29:40,440
want to do a tree knock and see if they

478
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,359
get a response. Okay, fine, uh, you know, we're not

479
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,640
gonna just overly object. But you know, we we we

480
00:29:47,839 --> 00:29:50,079
expect people to go in there with the same amount

481
00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:53,160
of respect for the area that we do. You know,

482
00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:57,039
we we don't want anybody going out there and just

483
00:29:57,079 --> 00:29:59,640
sitting around the campfire getting drunk and say okay, let's go,

484
00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:03,960
you know, or anything like that. You know, there's common sense,

485
00:30:04,279 --> 00:30:07,599
common sense type rules of the ground rules that we used.

486
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 3: So I guess you guys are of the mind that

487
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,839
and this works a lot of the time even when

488
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:16,079
people are not trying. But just your presence there and

489
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,000
cooking and setting up the tents and hanging out and

490
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:22,680
talking and laughing is enough to if there's going to

491
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,839
be activity, then they will elictit the activity, right.

492
00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, we had more activity sitting around the campfire

493
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,400
with the BFRO one than we did going out. It

494
00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:41,160
was amazing how it draws them in. You know, they're curious,

495
00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:43,400
they want to know what's going on, you know, what's

496
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,079
all this laughing and talking and stuff that we're not

497
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,079
used to hearing. So they're gonna come sit in and watch. Now,

498
00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:54,200
you know Rick Taylor, Richard Taylor, which I don't know.

499
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,799
I'm pretty sure you probably know Rick Taylor. He was out,

500
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:04,799
he's been out three times now down there, and he's

501
00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:08,480
gotten a lot of good stuff on his night vision,

502
00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:12,599
you know, seeing a head pop up just just out

503
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,839
of light range into the darkness, you know, behind a

504
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,839
tree or a log or something, you know, down tree

505
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,400
or log, and you know, uh, and and and every time.

506
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,759
You know, he doesn't make any I love the way

507
00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:29,880
he investigates and researches because he doesn't make any obvious

508
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,000
quick moves. He just plays it nonchalantly, keeps on carrying

509
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,559
with the conversation and then says, hey, you know, why

510
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:39,160
don't you look over this way to my left. You know,

511
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,759
he doesn't point or anything like that, and see if

512
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:44,359
you can see what I'm seeing, you know. And then

513
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:46,559
other people will will pull it up and just kind

514
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:50,200
of nonchalantly look around like you know we do, and

515
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,440
and they'll they'll sometimes catch a glimpse of what he's

516
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,880
been seeing, you know, or what he's catching at that moment.

517
00:31:54,960 --> 00:32:01,119
So that's the type of of atmosphere that we want

518
00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:03,359
to keep there, you know, to where it's not anything

519
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,079
that's going to startle them. We want them to come

520
00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:08,799
in be curious about why we're there, but we don't

521
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:12,920
want them to, uh, be scared because somebody made some

522
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,400
quick movements or they picked up a tripod which looks

523
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,640
like a gun, you know, or something to them. You know,

524
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:21,440
we don't we don't want anything that's going to run

525
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,599
them away.

526
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 3: So what kind of things went on during that campfire time,

527
00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:30,079
during the BFRO expedition.

528
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,359
Speaker 1: During the time we were there. There's all sorts of

529
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,599
high strangeness out there. You know, you've got to take

530
00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:42,160
in consideration that the the the mineral content the water,

531
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,359
the under underground water flows and everything that happens out there.

532
00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:48,599
There's a lot of paranormal activity out there as well.

533
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,160
Doyle and his wife have experienced time slips out there.

534
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,960
You know. It's uh and it's strange to think about,

535
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:03,720
but it seems to be more of a concentration of

536
00:33:05,079 --> 00:33:09,480
a combination of paranormal type activity or unexplained let's put

537
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:13,319
it that way, unexplained type activity and in the in

538
00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:18,200
the the bigfoots, not that they're conjoined, they may be.

539
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,319
There may be something to some of these things that

540
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:23,599
people are talking about with portals and them being from

541
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,160
another either time or another dimension or something coming through.

542
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,440
There may be something to it. I have yet to

543
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,440
see it, but I've had so many people, uh tell

544
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,759
me their experiences with that. I mean, they're like, okay,

545
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:41,359
so how do you explain that you find a trackway

546
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,000
and then all of a sudden it just stops and

547
00:33:43,559 --> 00:33:46,519
you can't find anything else? You know, that makes sense?

548
00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:49,799
But uh uh, you know, I think that needs aspect

549
00:33:49,839 --> 00:33:53,519
of it needs further investigation. But the activities we were

550
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:59,000
having down there were the the the growls, the knocks,

551
00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:01,960
you know, the tic stereotypical stuff that you would experience

552
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:08,039
when on a Bigfoot investigation or expedition. And then on

553
00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:10,360
top of that, we had these other things happening that

554
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,000
you know, paranormal unexplained however you want to look at

555
00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:18,320
it at the same time, maybe in different areas, but

556
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:21,840
they were all continuous and they and it's every day.

557
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:25,159
It's not just that time, you know, I mean, this

558
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:28,000
is every time I go down there, something strange happens

559
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,679
that I can't explain that I have to put in

560
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,480
the paranormal tick box along with you know, Okay, I

561
00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:38,159
know what that was. I heard that noo, I heard

562
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:42,679
that call, you know. I mean, so they all happened

563
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:45,119
in conjunction. But that place down there is just it's

564
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,519
it's high strangeness. That's the only thing that I can

565
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,199
come up with to describe it.

566
00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:51,559
Speaker 3: So what kind of paranormal things were going on?

567
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: Some of the paranormal things that were going on down

568
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,639
there were personally for me. I hear disembodied voices a

569
00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:04,199
lot out there, and they sound like they're right close,

570
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,599
you know, it doesn't sound like they're way off in

571
00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:08,760
the distance. I mean, it's just like you're sitting here

572
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,239
at the fire and you hear somebody saying something behind you,

573
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,159
and you turn around. There's nobody there. That type of

574
00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:22,480
stuff happened. We've had unexplained lights, several people have saw

575
00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:27,719
what they considered or what most people considered be a UFO,

576
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,599
you know. I mean, we've got all these things happening

577
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,880
in the same area. So nine times out of ten,

578
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,559
either myself or people that are there in search of

579
00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:41,280
the Bigfoot are experiencing a lot of these same things

580
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:41,679
as well.

581
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 3: Do you know some of the details of Doyle's time

582
00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:49,760
slip incident. That sounds fascinating, I do.

583
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,639
Speaker 1: I do. Actually, it's he and his wife. She was

584
00:35:55,079 --> 00:36:00,719
pregnant with I believe it was their youngest child, who

585
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,440
were not the baby, but the middle child, and they

586
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,599
had decided to go on a walk and explore some

587
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,000
property nearby, you know, just to get out and plus

588
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:16,119
I think, uh he was just tired of being stuck

589
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:19,239
in the house with a pregnant wife. But they got

590
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,360
out and they were walking walking around and there's the

591
00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:26,280
old homestead out there, old cabin, uh, and they had

592
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,960
walked around that and his wife was uh, you know,

593
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,880
talking to him and and you know, looking at the

594
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,760
cabin and he was walking around and then they got

595
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,079
out of view from one another. So he said that

596
00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:44,719
he started calling for and couldn't get a response, didn't

597
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,880
get a response, so he started, you know, getting a

598
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,119
little bit worried and started panicking because there's there's hogs

599
00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:55,039
and you know, cougars and other stuff that that's down there.

600
00:36:55,199 --> 00:36:58,039
Cougar is not as often, but they are there, and

601
00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:01,159
uh so all these things were starting to run through

602
00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:05,199
his head and so he was searching, searched inside around,

603
00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:08,119
you know, and just kind of made a circle looking

604
00:37:08,159 --> 00:37:10,079
and got further out as he went to try and

605
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:12,239
find her. He never did find her. She thought, well,

606
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,559
maybe she maybe she went back to the house, and

607
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:19,719
so walking it was about fifteen to twenty minute walk,

608
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,280
maybe a little bit longer. He ran back to the house,

609
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,719
hollered for her all the while, you know, calling for

610
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:32,840
get there and everything else. Wasn't it the house? So

611
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,199
he starts making his way back. Maybe I missed her,

612
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,199
maybe she's went off in a different direction and she's

613
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,360
back at the place looking for me. So he goes

614
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,480
back and he's standing there and then all of a sudden,

615
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:49,320
she says, where have you been? And he said he

616
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,639
hears her, and he says where have you been? And

617
00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:55,719
she says, I've been right here the whole time. And

618
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,239
he's like, no, I've already been to the house and back.

619
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,880
I've looked, he said, I've been gone basically almost like

620
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,280
an hour searching for you. She goes, no, I've been

621
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,239
here the whole time, and you just walked around the

622
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:12,000
corner and he goes, no, I have literally ran to

623
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:15,280
the house ran back, he said. He said, at that

624
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,119
point in time, I was covered with sweat, I was

625
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:19,559
out of breath from running searching for it, and he said,

626
00:38:19,559 --> 00:38:22,000
I was scared to death. And then for her to

627
00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:24,679
tell me that, he's like, what the heck? You know?

628
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:30,199
So and then another similar story happened to the one

629
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:32,440
that she was pregnant with at the time. He was

630
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,320
a little older, I think three or four years old,

631
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,159
the same thing. He was right there, then he was gone.

632
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,320
They're searching their house, they're searching everywhere around the house

633
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,000
trying to find him, and they go out and they're

634
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:47,599
looking a little bit more. They come back in the

635
00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:49,920
house and almost trip over him because he's asleep in

636
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,840
the middle of the living room floor. He wasn't there before,

637
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,719
you know. So it's stuff like that that, you know.

638
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,719
I mean, there's something something going on.

639
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 3: Seeing what is that?

640
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 5: Right?

641
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,559
Speaker 3: Is that UFO alien stuff? Is that something completely different

642
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:08,639
that we just quite don't even know what box to

643
00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:10,440
put that in yet? What in the world is that?

644
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: Yeah? I agree, it's it's one of those Okay, we're

645
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,719
gonna put this in the unknown box until we get

646
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,719
a little bit more to fill in the puzzle pieces,

647
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:18,920
to fill in the picture. You know.

648
00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 5: Wow.

649
00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:24,039
Speaker 3: So, I mean that's I hear that so often people

650
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:28,039
that they might have some active bigfoot activity on their property,

651
00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:30,880
no matter how big the property is. But then it

652
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,760
seems like it just starts to bleed into the house

653
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,159
and then they have these other experiences. Whatever the end,

654
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:40,360
it's a big like other where you can't quite fit

655
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,039
it into a neat little box.

656
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: Right exactly, you know. And there's so many things like that,

657
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,599
you know. I mean we named a few of the

658
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:52,159
bigger ones, but I mean sometimes it's just the small things,

659
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,960
you know. Vehicle lights coming on all of a sudden,

660
00:39:56,679 --> 00:40:00,280
then going on go to check them while they're on, Well,

661
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,480
there's nothing wrong, make sure everything's off, walk away. They

662
00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:08,920
come back on again. Wait a minute, what's going on?

663
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,000
You know? So you check everything. Sometimes cars, when the

664
00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:13,880
battery gets a little bit low, the lights will come

665
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,360
on to kind of notify you that the battery is low.

666
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,559
These were older model cars and didn't have that, you know.

667
00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:22,800
So I mean stuff like that. Sometimes it's the small

668
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,840
stuff that really makes you scratch your head.

669
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And sometimes it's the small stuff that really

670
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:31,480
just sticks in your craw and you're like that should

671
00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:36,159
I should be able to explain that somehow? So have you?

672
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 4: Ever?

673
00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:39,119
Speaker 3: I don't know how many times you've gone out there.

674
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:42,199
It sounds like you're obviously friends with them. So have

675
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,519
you gone out there with groups and then you've had

676
00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:49,559
zero bigfoot or paranormal activity happen.

677
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: I have. It's rare, but I have, you know, which again,

678
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,360
you know, is kind of confirming and reconfirming to me

679
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:06,280
that these are actual beings, not something mystical. They do

680
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,360
have their their patterns, and so if you observe them

681
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,559
long enough, you can start picking up those patterns and

682
00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:15,519
see where they're moving around at and and understand their

683
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:17,360
movements and times.

684
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,199
Speaker 3: Joe, do you think that that's a symptom of or

685
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,679
a result of rather who is out there at the

686
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:25,880
time with you guys?

687
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: It could be you know, like I said, you know,

688
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:34,119
sometimes we get people in that are hardcore, uh you know, skeptics.

689
00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:37,280
You know that even the vibe they put off, it's

690
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,760
like I just came here for camping, you know, or yeah,

691
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,159
not leave this crap or whatever, you know, And that's

692
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,239
get a person in the group, even if it's just

693
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,280
because they're having a bad day, then the activity level

694
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:59,199
just plummets. Now, if everybody is positive and having a

695
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:02,960
good time, then the activity is it's you know, goes up,

696
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:05,280
you know. So it's it's kind of a it's a

697
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,199
gauge when you when you generally see that the activity

698
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,719
is non existent, you start looking around and Okay, who's

699
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,639
having the bad day? You know, and try and figure

700
00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:16,320
out what's going on to try and fix it. But

701
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,440
a lot of times, you know, it's just okay, yeah,

702
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,880
it's not gonna work this time. Let's let's walk away

703
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,039
from it and check it again later.

704
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 3: Have you ever had a skeptic out there and then

705
00:42:28,199 --> 00:42:31,199
they had what Will Jevining likes to call an underwear

706
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,360
changing moment that maybe changed their mind a little bit.

707
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: I know we've had skeptics.

708
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:38,559
Speaker 4: Now.

709
00:42:39,039 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: I can't say that they had to change their drawers afterwards,

710
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,719
but million times out of tendt to come around, come

711
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,320
around and say, yeah, yeah, I'm starting to kind of

712
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,159
figure out there's something more, you know. So you know,

713
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:54,159
it's just from observing the activity and experience, and even

714
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:56,840
if it's just a little bit that can't be explained,

715
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,599
you know, because the skeptic is going to throw everything

716
00:42:58,639 --> 00:42:59,039
out there.

717
00:42:59,440 --> 00:42:59,679
Speaker 2: Yep.

718
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: You know, I even I, after all these years, am

719
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,440
skeptical about some stuff, and I will go through and

720
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,960
I will, you know, try to debunk ninety percent of

721
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,199
the things are more if it's not obvious that it's

722
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,519
not going to be able to be debunked. The experience

723
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:18,719
is just to make sure that we're not putting false

724
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:22,480
information out, you know, and kind of like some of

725
00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:24,480
the pictures that I sent you, you know, I mean there's

726
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,159
a lot of people that think, oh, that could have

727
00:43:26,159 --> 00:43:27,960
been photoshop, or that could have been this, that could

728
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,239
have been that. No, I can assure you that came

729
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,760
straight out of the game cam the way they are

730
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:33,639
all right.

731
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:39,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's let's discuss this image if we could, Joe.

732
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: So that picture, it was on my game cam. Obviously

733
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,559
you can see all the gate game cam data on it.

734
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,039
The best thing that we can figure is that if

735
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:53,760
you if you look, you see the chin, the mouth,

736
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:56,440
and the nose in the upper left hand corner. As

737
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,840
you're looking at it, the mouth looks distorted. The best

738
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,840
thing that we can figure is that that was a

739
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:07,920
three sixty camera. So once that was triggered, you can

740
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,119
hear an audible war where the camera starts spinning and

741
00:44:12,159 --> 00:44:14,360
we're thinking he was maybe looking at it trying to

742
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,559
figure out what it was that happened, and he moved back,

743
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:22,679
which caused the distortion. It's uh. I mean I've shown

744
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,039
that to Ronnie LeBlanc. As a matter of fact, his

745
00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:27,280
jaw literally almost hit the floor when he saw it.

746
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,000
Uh So Uh, the Britney Barbieri, I've showed it to her,

747
00:44:33,519 --> 00:44:35,199
you know. I mean the list goes on and on.

748
00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:35,679
Speaker 4: Uh.

749
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:41,079
Speaker 1: Joe and Jesse uh from how Ben Holler showed them,

750
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,119
they were everybody was like, hey, can I get your number?

751
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:45,960
You know, we need to see more of this, We

752
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,599
need to talk more about it. So a lot of

753
00:44:49,639 --> 00:44:52,440
people that are respected in that in that field to

754
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:57,199
have seen it were we're quite impressed with it.

755
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna crop it real quick that way, It'll just

756
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:08,280
zoom in a little bit, see if that'll work a

757
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,800
little bit better. Unfortunately, stream Yard doesn't really let me

758
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,360
interact very well with files like that. There we go.

759
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I mean you can actually even see some

760
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:24,320
movement in the face. If you look close enough, you

761
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,519
can see the the kind of edges are blurring where

762
00:45:27,639 --> 00:45:29,360
some of it's a little bit more clear, so it

763
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,639
looks like there's actual movement in it. And you can

764
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:36,559
also see some of the residual from where his face

765
00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:41,039
appeared to be towards the middle right of the of

766
00:45:41,079 --> 00:45:45,920
the picture. That that kind of brownish looking cloudy area

767
00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:49,519
like he's it's kind of caught right as the picture took,

768
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,039
causing those artifacts. So yeah, but you can see the

769
00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:00,280
the chin obviously, the lips in the bottom part of

770
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,239
the nose fairly fairly well in that photo.

771
00:46:03,519 --> 00:46:07,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a strange one. Yeah, and that's your game

772
00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:08,800
cam on Doyle's property.

773
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I pulled it after the BFRO expedition because

774
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:19,239
some difficulties I had with it. It was starting to

775
00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:22,039
malfunction a little bit, so I pulled it to be

776
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:24,639
able to kind of take it apart, clean it up,

777
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,599
reseal it, that type of stuff. But yeah, that was

778
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,559
that was taken about maybe a week after I first

779
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:32,159
set it out.

780
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,559
Speaker 3: Malfunctions. We hear about that a lot batteries draining things

781
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,880
just not work and write SD cars right and over themselves,

782
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,199
all sorts of things, right.

783
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,039
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Yeah, that's that's what was happening, And I

784
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:49,440
just wanted to to pull it and kind of go

785
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:52,840
through it to make sure that there wasn't any mechanical

786
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,559
or electrical issues with it, which it's fine, you know,

787
00:46:56,679 --> 00:46:59,159
so there was none of those found. So, uh the

788
00:46:59,679 --> 00:47:02,400
one of the things too that I noticed on it

789
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,760
and noticed on the static one that I had not

790
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,079
too far away from there as well. There's every so

791
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,000
often there'll be great pictures before and after, but there's

792
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,119
always this one that there's nothing but pixelation, you know.

793
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,199
So you know, that's what kind of got my attention

794
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,480
to go ahead and pull it and check it out

795
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,079
and see what's going on. But uh, yeah, those pixelations

796
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:28,280
are really strange, especially to have a good picture before,

797
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,880
which is fine too, you know, it's just the one

798
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,199
in between, you know, and that's kind of hard to

799
00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:35,639
explain that.

800
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 3: That's when I love those kinds of instances where the

801
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,320
one before and the one after are perfectly fine, you

802
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,519
have this really weird one in the middle. You go, well,

803
00:47:46,159 --> 00:47:50,440
m it's just seconds or milliseconds before and after, you know.

804
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, you know. And because the funny thing about

805
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,079
OMAR is the the the static cam, it takes three

806
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:03,480
consecutive pictures once it's triggered. The three sixty will do

807
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:08,519
the complete round of one picture each for each sector.

808
00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:11,119
You saw that there was either like seven or six

809
00:48:11,559 --> 00:48:15,360
sectors along the bottom of that strip, and I think

810
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,199
that was what the fourth one. So it started worrying

811
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,519
before it even got to the point to take that picture,

812
00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:22,960
so you know, and it's it's pretty quick. I mean,

813
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:28,599
it moves pretty quick. So that again supports the movement theory,

814
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,400
you know, behind the distortions on that picture.

815
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,639
Speaker 3: Does Doyle have any camera set up, game cams or

816
00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:39,760
any maybe live cameras like a rain camera, even CCTV

817
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,920
off of his house? Did they come up to his house?

818
00:48:43,159 --> 00:48:46,119
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, they've They've actually came up and stolen food

819
00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:46,719
off the smoke.

820
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,519
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Well who could blame him if he's got

821
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:52,559
the you know, if you got the trigger out, the

822
00:48:52,599 --> 00:48:53,960
big foot should come in for that.

823
00:48:54,639 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. But he's he's wanted to put out some cameras.

824
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,119
I think he's got one or two. I'm not sure

825
00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:06,719
where he's got them positioned at. He hasn't said that

826
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,559
he's gotten anything on him most of the time, most

827
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:13,480
of the game cameras rather that he has that I

828
00:49:13,519 --> 00:49:15,960
have seen have been out there for years when he

829
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:18,559
was doing a lot of hunting, and he's like, I

830
00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:20,559
need to change the batteries and then I'll get busy

831
00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:22,960
with something else and forget to change the batteries. So

832
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,360
they're pretty much useless at this point, not being able

833
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,119
to power up so well.

834
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:31,039
Speaker 3: And beyond that though, and I think that I'm sure

835
00:49:31,039 --> 00:49:32,840
that you guys could have tested this. I bet Deloya

836
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,280
what if he was on with us now is that

837
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,760
it seems like they can tell when there's cameras around

838
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,239
and they can hear them or see him, whatever the

839
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,840
case might be. But if you stick something in my

840
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,760
living room that's not supposed to be there, I'm gonna

841
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:47,400
notice it too.

842
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely absolutely. And that's why I tried to keep

843
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,400
them in one static place for long enough that they

844
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,880
would get accustomed to seeing it and quit paying an attention.

845
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:59,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know a.

846
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 1: Lot of people are like, well, I put out a

847
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:02,960
game cam. I kept it out there for a month

848
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,360
and didn't get anything. Well, that's because you kept it

849
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,480
out there for a month. It's still new, you know.

850
00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:10,320
To the animals in the area, they're like, yeah, what's that.

851
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,440
You know, leave it out there for a while. It's

852
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,079
just like anything else. You know, you put a rose

853
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:17,079
bush out in front, you know you're going to notice

854
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:21,280
it the first several months, you know, well that's not

855
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:22,880
growing very much, you know, but then all of a

856
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,119
sudden next spring, it's like humongus. You're like, what the heck?

857
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,440
You know? So, I mean, it's it's one of those deals,

858
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,320
you know, to where you over time you get accustomed

859
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,159
to seeing it. You don't think about it anymore.

860
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 3: So when you guys are doing either if it's just

861
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,000
kind of you guys doing your thing on the property

862
00:50:42,199 --> 00:50:46,599
or the BFR expeditions, is there people both sleeping in

863
00:50:46,639 --> 00:50:49,880
their vehicles and intents or is it all tent camping.

864
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:53,639
What kind of interactions have there been with where people

865
00:50:53,679 --> 00:50:56,760
are sleeping or if at all?

866
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:01,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's both. Actually the area that the clear cut

867
00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:06,239
that we use as the camping area and also the

868
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,760
slightly wooded if people want to camp tent camp in

869
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,719
that area is big enough to allow you know, uh,

870
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:19,440
trailers or RB trailers or motor homes. We've had both

871
00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:22,599
no issues there people being able to get in. We've

872
00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:25,840
also had people and I started doing this as I

873
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,840
took out the back third row seats in my tahoe

874
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,079
and laid over the back seats and got an air mattress.

875
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:34,239
If it's just right in there. So I started sleeping

876
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,400
in my tahoe when I go out there rather than camping.

877
00:51:36,519 --> 00:51:39,039
Speaker 3: Who could blame you, I would do the exact safe.

878
00:51:41,559 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: My old body has been through the ringer. It's not

879
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:45,920
comfortable getting down on the ground.

880
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 3: Oh listen, the older we get, the worse we sleep.

881
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,800
And dang it, people need sleep.

882
00:51:50,519 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: You know, absolutely, absolutely so yeah, it's it's both. And

883
00:51:56,599 --> 00:51:59,440
as far as any activity, I mean, we've had people

884
00:52:01,079 --> 00:52:03,280
tell us that they heard somebody walking around their tent

885
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:10,159
or their vehicle. I personally, my brother and I to

886
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,679
kind of hang out and see what we could hear

887
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,800
or see or whatever. And he slept in the tahoe

888
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,639
with me. He had gone to bed sooner than I did.

889
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,440
I waited probably about two hours after every duel had

890
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,559
went home and he had went to sleep. I crawled

891
00:52:26,599 --> 00:52:30,360
in there and just got covered up good. And then

892
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,159
all of a sudden, I hear Sam on the side

893
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:37,280
of the tahoe, and I'm just like, okay, well, everybody

894
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,320
goes to bed. They decided to come and make themselves known,

895
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,000
you know. So I just rolled over and went to sleep,

896
00:52:41,519 --> 00:52:43,320
you know. But the next morning, you know, it looked

897
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,000
like there was a smudge mark on the on the

898
00:52:46,039 --> 00:52:48,800
side of the tahoe, you know, so you know, take

899
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,519
it for what you will. You know, something happened that

900
00:52:50,679 --> 00:52:52,280
wasn't happening when I was sitting out there waiting.

901
00:52:54,119 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I'm going to be talking to a

902
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,960
gentleman next week. I believe that he's got some real grease.

903
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:04,239
See what look like large handprints on his vehicle. And

904
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,639
they definitely like to come in and look. They're certainly creepers, you.

905
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: Know, absolutely absoute hundred percent. They like coming in and

906
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,880
seeing what's going on in their backyard.

907
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 3: Do you so, does the you know part of the rules.

908
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,519
Does that include not leaving food out? You know, do

909
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:28,559
you go stack apples or leave food out for them

910
00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:29,480
anything like that.

911
00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: We don't discourage that at all. You know. Gifting is

912
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,599
certainly something that I think might be beneficial, you know,

913
00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:41,159
especially if you're trying to keep them coming back to

914
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:46,559
one certain area. I haven't done it, just because I'm

915
00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:51,760
of the mindset that if they see us leaving stuff

916
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,079
there and they're not accustomed to it, are they going

917
00:53:54,119 --> 00:53:56,760
to leave it alone or are they going to think, Okay,

918
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,840
can't come back here because people are coming here, you know,

919
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:02,440
and then again you got the other animals too that

920
00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:06,199
might take it before you know, any any good stuff happens,

921
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,960
you know. So I'm kind of by the mindset for

922
00:54:09,079 --> 00:54:13,519
myself that I don't but we don't discourage it if

923
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:14,719
somebody wants to give it a shot.

924
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 3: Has anyone ever, or maybe Doyle has his own animals,

925
00:54:19,039 --> 00:54:23,000
dogs and things, has anyone brought their own pet out

926
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,559
to see maybe if it was intentional or not, to

927
00:54:26,639 --> 00:54:29,599
see how that would change the activity.

928
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,559
Speaker 1: Well, you know, that's a that's a good question, very

929
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:34,840
good question, and I've got some very good answers for

930
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:40,280
you on that. Doyle has and has raised Connie Corso's

931
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:45,280
for years. And he's got two males and a female.

932
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,159
It's the mother, the father, and the lone surviving pup

933
00:54:48,519 --> 00:54:51,079
from the last litter, which he's not a pupp He's

934
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:53,000
as big as his father now and good and bigger.

935
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:59,639
But as you know, Connie Corso's are very big, very strong,

936
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:04,440
very powerful dogs, and again Dolls been raising them and

937
00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:11,320
bringing them for years. And he had a mama with

938
00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:14,320
a litter of pups that were sleeping in a shed

939
00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:19,760
near his house. They had gone to town the grocery shopping.

940
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,519
They came back and noticed that the shed was damaged.

941
00:55:24,199 --> 00:55:27,119
Some of the sighting was off, so he went out

942
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:29,320
there to check on the mama dog and the pups

943
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,480
all were gone. The tin on the shed had been

944
00:55:33,559 --> 00:55:40,039
peeled back the mama dog. He searched for it, finally

945
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:46,880
found a trail of blood found where she was up

946
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:52,280
in a tree. What was left over and blood on

947
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,400
the tree. She had been slung by her back legs

948
00:55:56,519 --> 00:56:00,760
until she was dead and just discarded and ended up

949
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:05,760
hanging off a branch. The pups were never found. So, uh,

950
00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:11,719
I don't think of anything that can take in eighty

951
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:16,280
pound ninety pound Connie Corso it's gonna be mad and

952
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,639
mean because their pups are missing, grab them by the

953
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,639
hind legs and twirl them around and beat them to

954
00:56:21,679 --> 00:56:24,920
death against a tree. If it's not something that's big

955
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,920
and by paid by people. You know, if it was

956
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,920
a cougar, there would have been blood from the get go.

957
00:56:32,679 --> 00:56:35,119
They still leave them up in the in the branches

958
00:56:35,159 --> 00:56:38,519
of a tree. That's what cougars do. But it would

959
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:43,239
have been obviously eight on before it just was abandoned,

960
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:48,840
not twisted. So yeah, it's it happened, so we as

961
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,760
far as anybody else's dogs, we we generally don't encourage

962
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,280
that simply because you know, with the Countie Corsos they

963
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,159
can be pretty territorial anyways, so we don't want any

964
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,360
you know, happen to anybody else's dog. But on the

965
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:07,159
plus side, with his dogs there, they alert so well,

966
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,400
and when there's people at the camp, they come and

967
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:14,360
they'll sleep in the camp. If they hear something thereafter it,

968
00:57:16,119 --> 00:57:20,559
if there's something getting too close, they will will know,

969
00:57:21,079 --> 00:57:24,719
they'll start growling and barking. And then if they take

970
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,800
after it, you know that there's something that they're they're

971
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:31,320
chasing away. So yeah, it's a benefit to have them

972
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:31,960
there for sure.

973
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,039
Speaker 3: Terrible story though about the mother and her pups. So

974
00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:38,440
the mother was not eaten on at all. She was

975
00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:41,480
just killed as if she had probably, like you said,

976
00:57:41,519 --> 00:57:44,480
been trying to defend her pups whatever had come in

977
00:57:44,599 --> 00:57:47,280
for those terrible.

978
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: Yep, exact yep, yep it was. That's that's one of

979
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,320
the stories he first told me, and that stuck with

980
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:53,800
me all these years. You know.

981
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,239
Speaker 2: So I.

982
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: Generally when the dogs or the all three of the

983
00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:06,440
cones or are alerting and looking and they will. They

984
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,199
will stand up and if their hair, you know, they'll growl,

985
00:58:09,199 --> 00:58:11,559
they'll bark. But if their back hair starts bristling up

986
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,159
and they start leaning like they're looking and fixing ahead

987
00:58:16,199 --> 00:58:19,719
that direction, Okay, they've got something. There's something that was

988
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,360
either coming in or something that they don't want near us,

989
00:58:22,599 --> 00:58:25,079
and they're going after it to drive it off, and

990
00:58:25,639 --> 00:58:31,320
they'll they'll be gone for days. Sometimes Douel has told me, sir, well,

991
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,119
I guess Tank is dead, or I guess Rangers dead,

992
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,079
or you know, or a mystique, which is the three dogs.

993
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:39,960
You know, they've been gone, you know, for five days,

994
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,800
ain't seen them. A day or two later he'll call

995
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,960
me up and say, hey, you know up, they're back,

996
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,800
skinny as hell and beat up, but they're back, you know.

997
00:58:48,039 --> 00:58:51,559
So it's it's funny that you know, they are that

998
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:56,719
protective of not even just Dole's family, but everybody that's there,

999
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,159
so uh, and they do it really good everybody. He

1000
00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:01,960
always says that we feel so much safer that the

1001
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:03,960
dogs are here, that we don't have to worry about something.

1002
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:08,519
Speaker 3: Should almost touch a little mini GoPro to one of

1003
00:59:08,639 --> 00:59:11,840
you know, their callers or something. Well, it's like if

1004
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:13,920
they could talk, like, what do they see over those

1005
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,119
several days? You know?

1006
00:59:16,119 --> 00:59:18,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've talked about that and Doles wanting to get some,

1007
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,719
you know, and they do have dog harnesses that have

1008
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,800
cameras on them built in, so he's he's talked about that.

1009
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,559
He said, Man, I looked into him. They're not cheap.

1010
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:31,559
Speaker 3: No, they're not. They're not. So when did that incident

1011
00:59:31,679 --> 00:59:35,679
happen with the mother and the and the pups. Was

1012
00:59:35,719 --> 00:59:37,119
that shortly after he moved in?

1013
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: I can't remember if it was then or a couple

1014
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,760
of years after, but I mean, it wasn't recent. It

1015
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:47,639
was it's been several years, but I can't remember the

1016
00:59:47,679 --> 00:59:50,880
exact timeframe that he had described, but it was it

1017
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,920
was enough for him to file that in a way

1018
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,679
and say, hey, you know, you don't need to be scared,

1019
00:59:57,719 --> 00:59:59,920
but this did happen, you know type of thing.

1020
01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I would imagine that at least a

1021
01:00:06,039 --> 01:00:08,559
little bit, that must have left a slightly bad taste

1022
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:12,039
in his mouth as far as what they you know,

1023
01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:15,920
they don't have full boundaries and understanding of oh, well

1024
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,079
that's his dogs and he loves the dog. So we

1025
01:00:18,119 --> 01:00:20,800
shouldn't go in and try to eat the babies and

1026
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,719
kill the mom and the whole you know, that whole

1027
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,719
incident that happened, right.

1028
01:00:24,719 --> 01:00:27,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it kind of was. At first when that

1029
01:00:27,719 --> 01:00:30,360
incident happened, he said, I was really vigilant about, you know,

1030
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,079
keeping it on my dogs after that, he said, But

1031
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,840
as time went on, you know, that was the worst

1032
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,199
incident that ever happened, he said, So I you know,

1033
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,679
I figured that you know, they would find were fine

1034
01:00:41,719 --> 01:00:43,159
and can handle it on their own, he says, not

1035
01:00:43,159 --> 01:00:46,000
saying I haven't lost dogs since then, he said, but

1036
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,480
that was the worst out of all of the bad

1037
01:00:48,519 --> 01:00:51,559
situations where I lost the dog, he said, These, he said,

1038
01:00:51,559 --> 01:00:54,920
these connies, the coursos are so tough. He said. They

1039
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:58,960
can generally handle themselves against just about anything. So he's like,

1040
01:00:59,039 --> 01:00:59,960
I'm not worrying about it.

1041
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 3: So, oh well, that's that would not be a nice

1042
01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:10,119
find at all. So why don't we play? Oh well,

1043
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:12,760
I guess we should set this up because I'm kind

1044
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,760
of assuming maybe the audio that you sent me is

1045
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,360
this from Doyle's property or is it? Okay?

1046
01:01:20,239 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: It is it's a it's about centered. Let me give

1047
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:29,000
you the backstory on that a little over a year ago.

1048
01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:32,039
It was in I think it was either in the

1049
01:01:32,159 --> 01:01:34,400
end of March or the end of May. I can't

1050
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,760
remember one of the m months. It all blends together now.

1051
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,280
I had gotten a trigger on my static camp which

1052
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,119
was set up on the north side of his property.

1053
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,440
And when I looked at it, I saw the typical

1054
01:01:48,159 --> 01:01:50,519
big which I'll send you that picture that you can

1055
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:55,440
attach it later on a big and we went back

1056
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,480
and measured it. Doyle's over six foot tall and he

1057
01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:01,400
had to reach up to touch to show where the

1058
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:06,599
head was on the silhouette that we got on the

1059
01:02:06,639 --> 01:02:10,800
game camp. We went out and stood it exactly where

1060
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:15,159
the game cam up is and took a picture of

1061
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,519
that area, and then took a picture with Doyle and

1062
01:02:18,519 --> 01:02:20,840
he was holding his hand up and you put him

1063
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:26,280
side by side. It was another his arm length higher

1064
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,360
to the top of the head. So we're figuring around

1065
01:02:30,519 --> 01:02:34,760
seven and a half eight foot tall. That was on

1066
01:02:35,079 --> 01:02:40,239
a Wednesday Thursday morning. I get an alert because I

1067
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,960
had it hooked up cellular, so I get alerts. Whenever

1068
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:47,559
it took some pictures, I got another alert, pulled it

1069
01:02:47,639 --> 01:02:51,079
up and strectly. This was the first one was over

1070
01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:55,239
this way that the one on Thursday morning was straight

1071
01:02:55,239 --> 01:03:01,559
ahead and you can see it's the backside I'd say

1072
01:03:01,559 --> 01:03:04,800
about seventy five yards away. You really have to zoom in.

1073
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:06,400
You can see it, but you have to zoom in

1074
01:03:06,719 --> 01:03:12,599
to really look at it. The backside of one walking away,

1075
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,079
so it was coming through the camera snapped it as

1076
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:21,480
he was moving through. So I decided. I told Dole,

1077
01:03:21,519 --> 01:03:23,639
I said, I'm going to put together a audio trap.

1078
01:03:23,679 --> 01:03:27,599
I said, I'll be out there tomorrow. Let me back

1079
01:03:27,639 --> 01:03:29,480
up a little bit. So when I got that alert,

1080
01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:33,239
I almost simultaneously I got a message from Doyle on

1081
01:03:33,239 --> 01:03:35,239
Facebook said, hey man, he said, You're never going to

1082
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,679
believe what I saw this morning. And I said, let

1083
01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:40,840
me guess about about eight fifteen on the north side

1084
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:42,599
by the north Cami. He said, how do you know?

1085
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,239
I sending the picture. He says, I'll be damned. You

1086
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,440
got it again, you know. So he was just mine

1087
01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:52,199
was blown that I'd got the same animal to her

1088
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,880
creature or entity, whichever way you want to look at it,

1089
01:03:56,119 --> 01:03:58,800
two days in a row. So I told him. Then

1090
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:00,519
I said, I'm going to come down to morrow put

1091
01:04:00,519 --> 01:04:02,800
together a audio trap. I'll come down tomorrow and we'll

1092
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,679
set it out. So sounds great. So I got out

1093
01:04:05,719 --> 01:04:09,639
there about three o'clock in the afternoon, had it, got

1094
01:04:09,679 --> 01:04:13,119
it all set up ready, put together, and made sure

1095
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:15,559
everything was on. We set it out kind of in

1096
01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:17,559
the center between the north and south side of the

1097
01:04:17,559 --> 01:04:22,920
property and just virtually almost straight out from where the

1098
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,719
campground is. Set it out, picked it up the next

1099
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,559
day when it back out, got it retreated the next day.

1100
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:34,199
So the audio that you're going to hear was about dusk.

1101
01:04:37,079 --> 01:04:41,039
It was actually darker on that Friday after I had

1102
01:04:41,079 --> 01:04:42,000
can snap those two.

1103
01:04:41,880 --> 01:05:20,719
Speaker 6: Pictures, right, let's it play on this, I play it again.

1104
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:07,639
Speaker 1: So that audio is just a snippet of all the

1105
01:06:07,719 --> 01:06:10,840
audio I got over that twenty four hour period. I

1106
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,440
still got eighteen hours that I haven't listened to yet.

1107
01:06:14,159 --> 01:06:16,800
That's just the first six hours out of the first

1108
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:20,599
six hours. So, and I don't know if you noticed,

1109
01:06:20,639 --> 01:06:24,920
about midway through you could hear two knocks. You hear

1110
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,360
the communication going on. To me, it sounds like it's

1111
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,159
a little bit lower than the growls or the howls

1112
01:06:32,639 --> 01:06:35,320
or howls however you want to describe it. But it

1113
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:39,719
sounds like some what I call gibberish where it sounds

1114
01:06:39,719 --> 01:06:42,599
like there's more than one kind of saying something back

1115
01:06:42,639 --> 01:06:46,639
and forth. So it's that's the one that really stuck

1116
01:06:46,679 --> 01:06:49,159
out to me. And like I said, it was just

1117
01:06:49,239 --> 01:06:53,440
that Friday, And to be honest with you, that's a

1118
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,559
typical Friday. That's a typical Monday, that's a typical Tuesday,

1119
01:06:56,599 --> 01:06:59,960
that's typical Wednesday and Thursday. Hearing that kind of stuff

1120
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,679
coming out of the woods. So yeah, when I say

1121
01:07:02,679 --> 01:07:06,119
that we heard a call or a howl, that's that's

1122
01:07:06,119 --> 01:07:07,000
what I'm describing.

1123
01:07:07,559 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 3: And there's certainly a mumbly quality to it to where

1124
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:14,320
you almost can hear what they call like a samurai

1125
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:15,159
chatter going on.

1126
01:07:17,559 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's that's what I like in it too,

1127
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,800
is a samurai talk, you know that Ron Moore Haad

1128
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:26,840
got way back in the seventies, you know. So it's

1129
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:31,519
it's fascinating to me that something from the Pacific Northwest

1130
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:36,400
and something from Southwest Arkansas can sound so similar, you know,

1131
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,800
which leads me to believe that they are related in

1132
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:43,639
some form or fashion. Southwest Arkansas there's definitely smaller, you know,

1133
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:45,760
they don't go as high as ten and a half

1134
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:50,039
eleven foot tall, like they're saying out Pacific Northwest. But man,

1135
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,400
you know, there's got to be something to this. And

1136
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,519
I hear people all the time telling me their stories

1137
01:07:55,519 --> 01:08:01,199
from the Appalachian Mountains, Pennsylvania, Upper Upstate, New York, York. Uh,

1138
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,840
you know all these other areas across the country, Ohio,

1139
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:08,360
you know, the Peninsula in Michigan. You know. I mean

1140
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:15,000
it's they're all virtually identical. Uh, except for the locations.

1141
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:19,920
You know. I've played that for somebody from the North

1142
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:23,359
Carolina and they're like, man, that's almost exactly like what

1143
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:27,359
I heard, you know. So, I mean it's it's it's

1144
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:33,479
pretty close across the board. So for somebody to say that, well,

1145
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,039
that can't be the same thing because Bigfoot's only in

1146
01:08:36,039 --> 01:08:39,239
the Pacific Northwest. They're all over.

1147
01:08:39,119 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 3: Well yeah, those are the people haven't looked beyond five

1148
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:45,119
minutes of you know, anything for Bigfoot. So they just

1149
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:48,159
they think when we say bigfoot, we mean one dude.

1150
01:08:48,399 --> 01:08:51,399
We're like, no, yeah, when you say bigfoot, it's it's

1151
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:54,079
big feats is we just we don't say bigfoots. We

1152
01:08:54,119 --> 01:08:58,319
say bigfoot. That is all encompassing. So is the thought

1153
01:08:58,399 --> 01:09:01,479
then that they're they're all year round at Doyle's property.

1154
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:07,319
Speaker 1: Yes, it is. You know, obviously in the winter months

1155
01:09:07,119 --> 01:09:11,279
the activity is not as high, and during the extreme

1156
01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:15,000
heat of the summer months it's not as high. Just

1157
01:09:15,039 --> 01:09:17,520
like any other animal that lives in the woods, they're

1158
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,720
going to hunker down, you know, when it gets extremely

1159
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:24,199
hot to conserve their energy, or when it gets extremely

1160
01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:28,079
cold to conserve their resources, so they're not burning fat

1161
01:09:28,119 --> 01:09:33,479
as much, you know. So yeah, there are slower times now.

1162
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:38,800
If you look at the maps, you've got east Texas,

1163
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:47,199
northwest Louisiana, southwest Arkansas, southeast Oklahoma, and all the way

1164
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:53,399
up northwest Arkansas and northeast Oklahoma. That's almost like a

1165
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:58,199
trackway that they follow. If there's any migration patterns, it's

1166
01:09:58,199 --> 01:10:02,920
going to be along those lines. You've got uh, Haunchy

1167
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:06,279
Town in Oklahoma, which is considered like the Bigfoot capital

1168
01:10:06,319 --> 01:10:11,159
of Oklahoma. Uh and uh that it's it's amazing to

1169
01:10:11,239 --> 01:10:13,920
see that when you look at it on a map,

1170
01:10:14,359 --> 01:10:20,920
it's almost a direct line down those four states, you know,

1171
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:25,199
into northern Louisiana. So it kind of makes you wonder,

1172
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:32,159
are they migratory? Are they family groups that just happened

1173
01:10:32,279 --> 01:10:36,600
to be spaced along those same things that that same line.

1174
01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:39,399
You know, there's so many theories that that you can

1175
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:42,520
come up with, but there's there's definitely a coalition between

1176
01:10:43,239 --> 01:10:47,479
the ones here in the more southern parts of Arkansas,

1177
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:51,880
and in northern Louisiana and eastern Texas, all the way

1178
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:55,720
up into as far as I know into Kansas, uh

1179
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:59,000
you know, in Missouri. So it's it's it's almost like

1180
01:10:59,039 --> 01:11:02,279
a st So it kind of makes you wonder, uh

1181
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:06,600
if that's uh uh, there's a correlation that these may

1182
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,920
be separate family groups but part of a larger family

1183
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,439
or different clans of a different family. You know, it's

1184
01:11:13,079 --> 01:11:17,159
the the the variations are mind boggling. Once she's trying

1185
01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:19,920
to think about, you know, why is this happening? Why

1186
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:21,880
is it so strong in this area? But then again,

1187
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,960
you look at the Pacific Northwest, you know, it does

1188
01:11:25,039 --> 01:11:27,439
the same thing all the way up into British Columbia

1189
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:32,319
into Alaska. So it's it's almost uh like they're they're there,

1190
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,359
they've got different zones depending on where they're at, what

1191
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:38,880
part of the country that their populations are heavier, and

1192
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:40,000
they travel through.

1193
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:44,560
Speaker 3: What about his situation with neighbors does, and and if

1194
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,039
he's near some kind of a preserve or something, I don't.

1195
01:11:47,079 --> 01:11:49,319
I don't want to give out his location or anything,

1196
01:11:49,359 --> 01:11:51,399
so you can leave that out. But how close are

1197
01:11:51,399 --> 01:11:52,439
his other neighbors?

1198
01:11:54,119 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 2: Uh?

1199
01:11:55,039 --> 01:11:59,159
Speaker 1: I think the nearest neighbor that he's actually got is

1200
01:11:59,199 --> 01:12:01,640
probably about a mile to a mile and a half away.

1201
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:09,399
I mean, he's fairly isolated there. That area is so

1202
01:12:10,119 --> 01:12:15,079
sparsely populated that, you know, it's pretty good distance between

1203
01:12:15,119 --> 01:12:18,680
the residences. Now, having said that, you know, talking to

1204
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:23,279
some of his neighbors in Passing, they've all had experiences.

1205
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,960
There's one family that when it starts getting dark, they

1206
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:29,680
go inside and they lock the doors. They don't go

1207
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:30,600
outside after dark.

1208
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 3: And they say that's because of the activity that they've had.

1209
01:12:34,359 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, they say, we know it's out there, we've seen it,

1210
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:39,239
we've heard it. We ain't going out, you know. And

1211
01:12:39,279 --> 01:12:42,640
then there was a Dole Talks. There was about a

1212
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:46,720
Native American man who lived I don't know, about two

1213
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,520
and a half three miles away. He's passed, since passed,

1214
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,560
and nobody even goes to his property anymore. But the

1215
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,319
neighbors were telling him that he had actually made friends

1216
01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:00,319
with a group of these are bigfootage or sas watch

1217
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,439
and had names for each and every one of them,

1218
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:08,720
and they would come and visit, for lack of a

1219
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,319
better term, to his house and he spoke to them

1220
01:13:11,319 --> 01:13:17,359
in his native language and they understood. So what verifies

1221
01:13:17,399 --> 01:13:22,199
that story for me is Doyle had gone out with

1222
01:13:22,319 --> 01:13:27,319
another researcher, that Dave Rogers aka Sasquatch you can find

1223
01:13:27,359 --> 01:13:32,680
him on Facebook and all over good guy, good Christian

1224
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:36,520
man had gone out in the boat and the on

1225
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:40,159
the bayou and they hear these It was already after

1226
01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:44,039
dark or dusk, about the time that they go to roost,

1227
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:49,920
and they heard one, you know, screaming like he was

1228
01:13:50,119 --> 01:13:52,119
being attacked. You know how you know a chicken or

1229
01:13:52,159 --> 01:13:54,880
a duck or a goose would you know, squawk if

1230
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:58,720
something was coming after it. And then all of a

1231
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:06,359
sudden they got quiet and what sounded like a Native

1232
01:14:06,359 --> 01:14:11,119
American term I can't even pronounce it now, a toka

1233
01:14:11,199 --> 01:14:15,920
ky or something like that, Hi tokak. Dole could probably

1234
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,600
say it better than I can. But anyway, they heard this.

1235
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:23,920
So Dole and I started checking and investigating, and every

1236
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:29,600
indication that we're getting is that word was used like

1237
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:33,399
to say we are the men, or we are the champion,

1238
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:36,239
you know, something like that, something to designate them. You know.

1239
01:14:36,279 --> 01:14:39,800
The celebration, it was a cry of celebration that they

1240
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:44,159
had caught one and we're celebrated it. Now, the ironic

1241
01:14:44,199 --> 01:14:48,359
part about it is it happened in an area that

1242
01:14:49,399 --> 01:14:55,760
was inhabited by Catto Indians. This branch of Caddos only

1243
01:14:55,800 --> 01:15:00,760
lived in that area, this section of that tribe, and

1244
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:05,840
that language, particular language that that tribe spoke, which was

1245
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:12,239
slightly different, has been dead over a thousand years. So

1246
01:15:13,239 --> 01:15:17,479
whatever it was caught that goose and had learned that

1247
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:19,880
from truth being passed down just like we learned to

1248
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:26,119
speak our language through the years, and was celebrating catching

1249
01:15:26,119 --> 01:15:26,600
that goose.

1250
01:15:29,039 --> 01:15:33,199
Speaker 3: That that is incredible. It makes you wonder. You're like, hey, Doyle,

1251
01:15:33,279 --> 01:15:37,000
maybe we should learn some some of that language somehow, right,

1252
01:15:37,239 --> 01:15:38,279
Like what in the right world?

1253
01:15:38,359 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, So it's a and that was again it

1254
01:15:43,159 --> 01:15:51,600
was more of a solidifying story. Yeah, back up the

1255
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:55,119
Native American story that the neighbors had been talking about

1256
01:15:55,119 --> 01:15:56,039
the Native American man.

1257
01:15:56,399 --> 01:15:59,319
Speaker 3: It makes you wonder how that the old gent made

1258
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:02,920
friends with them, right, Like how long did that take him?

1259
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:05,560
What did he do to make friends with them to

1260
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,880
where it sounds like he was having up close and

1261
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,239
personal interactions with them. Whatever that looked like.

1262
01:16:12,359 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, and I've often wondered that myself.

1263
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,319
But you know, I had to put myself in his

1264
01:16:17,399 --> 01:16:22,560
shoes and think, Okay, if I'm speaking this native tongue

1265
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,239
and they know the native tongue, or at least enough

1266
01:16:26,119 --> 01:16:31,119
to where we can communicate, you know, and okay, so

1267
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:33,359
I'll say something out to the woods and then I

1268
01:16:33,359 --> 01:16:36,319
get a response. We do this for a little while,

1269
01:16:37,119 --> 01:16:41,319
and then it starts getting closer over time, until eventually

1270
01:16:41,399 --> 01:16:45,000
we kind of meet in the middle and make ourselves

1271
01:16:45,039 --> 01:16:48,520
known and try to have a conversation. And we do

1272
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,640
that over a period of a couple of years or more.

1273
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:53,720
You know, it's going to build a relationship, and then

1274
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:55,319
that relationship is going to grow.

1275
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe that could be enough. And I think that

1276
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:01,760
that's so smart that and I've been I've been guilty

1277
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:03,479
of it too, you know, going out and trying to

1278
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:08,119
make vocal calls, and I think even knocking. I think

1279
01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:12,399
even knocking sometimes you know, you might be saying something

1280
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:15,520
that you're not intending to say. So I mean, especially

1281
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:19,359
with the calls though, goodness knows what is going on

1282
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:24,159
with those calls, right, So I think, yeah, if this

1283
01:17:24,279 --> 01:17:29,000
old gent actually could speak out that essentially gone language,

1284
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:32,920
and my goodness, what an edge he had.

1285
01:17:34,039 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, absolutely absolutely. And you know, I I've known, like,

1286
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:43,560
like I said, I've known Dull forty years, you know,

1287
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:47,079
and I've never known him to be anything but truthful

1288
01:17:47,119 --> 01:17:50,319
and honest. You know, So if he tells me something,

1289
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:53,680
I can take you to the bank. And so, you know,

1290
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:57,640
talking with him about what him and Dave experienced, and

1291
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:01,600
then hearing the neighbors talk about the Native American Indian gentleman,

1292
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:03,840
you know, it it all meshed.

1293
01:18:05,319 --> 01:18:08,279
Speaker 3: Does he feel like, and I'm sure that there's plenty

1294
01:18:08,319 --> 01:18:10,279
of times where he can go out and put something

1295
01:18:10,319 --> 01:18:13,039
on the smoker and nothing's going to come in. But

1296
01:18:13,119 --> 01:18:17,079
does he also feel like if he set up a

1297
01:18:17,079 --> 01:18:20,880
bunch of cameras everywhere on his property and had every

1298
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:24,680
inch cover that, then the activity would in fact essentially stop.

1299
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 1: And that's we've talked about that, and and we've kind

1300
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:35,439
of hoopooved the idea because of that possibility. Yeah, you know,

1301
01:18:36,319 --> 01:18:40,960
minimalism sometimes is the best approach instead of just an

1302
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:43,800
all out assault. Let's let's do one here, and do

1303
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,159
one there, and and and see what happens. We can

1304
01:18:46,199 --> 01:18:49,359
always move it if nothing does, you know, rather than

1305
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:53,640
just blanketing the whole area and them deciding not to

1306
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:54,359
even come back.

1307
01:18:54,239 --> 01:18:58,039
Speaker 3: In, right, And because that's something that I think sometimes

1308
01:18:58,119 --> 01:19:01,640
people just they just kind of spit that out, like

1309
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,720
we'll cover every engine cameras, then you go, yes, but

1310
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:07,880
if you actually take the time to listen to people

1311
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:11,640
that have had this activity or do try to capture activity. Heck,

1312
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,039
even with UFOs, it's the same thing. The second you

1313
01:19:14,079 --> 01:19:17,279
even think, oh, let me take a picture, they're already gone.

1314
01:19:17,359 --> 01:19:19,520
They've left, and you might have been watching them for

1315
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:23,079
half of an hour and they're gone. So in all

1316
01:19:23,159 --> 01:19:28,359
of these kinds of paranormal activity, bigfoot activity, it's almost

1317
01:19:28,359 --> 01:19:31,159
a surefire way to get things to stop and just

1318
01:19:31,359 --> 01:19:32,159
stop fully.

1319
01:19:33,399 --> 01:19:37,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, one hundred percent, you know, And I'm normally

1320
01:19:38,279 --> 01:19:41,720
one that gerald who just burrows right in. You know, Okay,

1321
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:47,680
let's go in this area. It's better to slow down,

1322
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,199
take a slow approach, and be patient.

1323
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I totally agree with that. So this is

1324
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:58,680
the the largest body of water here is the Sulfur

1325
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:02,399
River by his please, Well, Mercer.

1326
01:20:02,119 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 1: Bio is pretty big. It's uh, I think Mercer covers

1327
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:14,239
enough space. Uh in that immediate vicinity that there's so

1328
01:20:14,399 --> 01:20:17,159
much food sources, so many food sources. Is such a

1329
01:20:17,239 --> 01:20:20,600
huge water source as well. Uh. The Sulfur River is

1330
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:26,880
uh meanders through there. So in all the creeks, such

1331
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:31,079
as Boggie Creek, they all flow into the Sulfur River.

1332
01:20:31,159 --> 01:20:35,119
I think Boggie Creek actually flows into Mercer, which then

1333
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:38,920
flows into or the river flows into Phil Mercer and

1334
01:20:39,279 --> 01:20:42,279
then out. So uh they're all connected, you know. And

1335
01:20:42,319 --> 01:20:44,359
in one of the most famous lines in the movie,

1336
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:47,199
the legend of Boggie Creek is they always follow the water,

1337
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,720
always follow the creeks, you know. So you know which

1338
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:54,359
I've been fortunate enough to Uh. I knew Charles Pierce

1339
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:58,800
in passing before he passed away. Uh I know is

1340
01:20:59,199 --> 01:21:02,359
his ugh her and his son, his daughter Pamela, who

1341
01:21:02,399 --> 01:21:06,039
now owns the rights to the movie and audio and

1342
01:21:06,279 --> 01:21:09,199
is putting them out there and high death and four

1343
01:21:09,279 --> 01:21:11,640
K and all that good stuff now for purchase. Another

1344
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:16,479
merch UH known her for for several years. And I

1345
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:20,439
knew Chuck, his son Chucky he was. We all went

1346
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:25,880
to the same high school and so, uh, they're they're

1347
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,880
both a little bit older than me. I think Pamela

1348
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:32,399
is just a year or two. Uh and and Chuck

1349
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:35,920
was just behind her. So that was the tail end

1350
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:40,079
of that age range. So but I've known them and uh.

1351
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 2: Uh.

1352
01:21:41,079 --> 01:21:46,079
Speaker 1: An exciting thing too, is that Pamela had just announced

1353
01:21:46,119 --> 01:21:48,600
not too long ago that there is going to be

1354
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,279
a direct sequel made to the legend of Boggie Creek.

1355
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:55,800
Unlike Boggy Creek too, the legend continues, which was a

1356
01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:03,399
total script, uh you know, fictional accounts. She's going to

1357
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:08,920
be doing a direct authentic docu drama just like the

1358
01:22:09,279 --> 01:22:13,520
first one. And she's gonna be doing it with the Robertsons,

1359
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:18,239
Willie Robertson and yeah, so all of them are involved

1360
01:22:18,239 --> 01:22:21,960
in that. So she's got some good stuff coming in

1361
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:26,199
the future, some exciting stuff. So I was privy to

1362
01:22:26,239 --> 01:22:29,079
that probably about a year year and a half before

1363
01:22:30,039 --> 01:22:31,840
it was announced. So I was so excited when it

1364
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:36,800
was finally announced. And she's a great lady, uh you know, uh,

1365
01:22:37,359 --> 01:22:41,159
she's she's doing her dad's stuff justice, you know, So

1366
01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:44,520
it's uh, it's good to see it. But what made

1367
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,600
me think about telling you that too was in the

1368
01:22:47,199 --> 01:22:51,159
legend of At Boggy Creek two. The legend continues, Chuck

1369
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:55,159
was the blondehaired guy that was always without a shirt on,

1370
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:59,039
and we used to pick at him about that. Why

1371
01:22:59,119 --> 01:23:01,000
is it when there's pretty girls around in the movies,

1372
01:23:01,039 --> 01:23:02,159
you're taking your shirt off.

1373
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:04,560
Speaker 3: You're like, funny how that happens?

1374
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 2: Chuck?

1375
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:07,039
Speaker 1: Funny how that happens?

1376
01:23:07,079 --> 01:23:12,319
Speaker 3: You only be like, oh, sure fell off again? That

1377
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:18,159
darn thank you falling off? Well, you know, no, you

1378
01:23:18,279 --> 01:23:18,720
go ahead.

1379
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:21,079
Speaker 1: I was fixing to say, you know, if that song

1380
01:23:21,119 --> 01:23:23,439
had come out to years earlier. You know, tequila makes

1381
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:26,319
your clothes falls off? Swore it was an alcoholic right.

1382
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:29,159
Speaker 3: You're like, how many shots did you have today? Chuck?

1383
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:33,159
I can see you're you're not speaking funny, but this

1384
01:23:33,239 --> 01:23:37,359
shirt just won't stay on. What know you? You guys

1385
01:23:37,399 --> 01:23:39,960
have got some really cool stuff going on to Joe,

1386
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,359
and I really appreciate you coming on and being willing

1387
01:23:42,399 --> 01:23:46,439
to share all of this. And yeah, even if you

1388
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:49,199
were talking about your webmaster updating the website, even if

1389
01:23:49,199 --> 01:23:51,720
she just said, you know, another one coming, you know

1390
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:54,960
that way people know that it's it's still gonna be

1391
01:23:55,039 --> 01:23:58,960
going on that is so exciting, and the the website

1392
01:23:59,239 --> 01:24:03,119
is FOUC Expedition dot com. And then of course mention

1393
01:24:03,239 --> 01:24:06,560
anywhere else your socials or anything else that you wanted

1394
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:08,279
to mention so people can go visit.

1395
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:13,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm on the Facebook under Joseph Johnson and if

1396
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,520
you want to post the link, you can. I don't

1397
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:18,119
know it off the top of my head, except for

1398
01:24:18,199 --> 01:24:19,600
Joseph Johnson is the name of that.

1399
01:24:20,119 --> 01:24:21,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely like that.

1400
01:24:23,079 --> 01:24:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm also on Instagram. I have Expedition Fouc on Instagram,

1401
01:24:30,199 --> 01:24:33,560
and then I also have Joe Johnson sixty eight is

1402
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:35,600
another one that it's a personal one of mine, and

1403
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:42,760
then I also have Joe Johnson, writer actor on Instagram

1404
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:43,199
as well.

1405
01:24:44,079 --> 01:24:44,560
Speaker 3: Excellent.

1406
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Speaker 1: So yeah, so I've just recently started, I say recently,

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a little over a year ago, started the acting game.

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And I'm actually going to be filming in Monroe, Louisiana

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the end of this month twenty second through the twenty

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fourth on a horror comedy called Rules for Abduction about

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alien abductions, and then I will be in Arizona more

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than likely late spring early summer for ten days filming

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the next one in that series, it's gonna be called

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El Chupacabra Attacks, So it's two different genres of There

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are all the movies that Open Heart Productions have been doing.

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They have a contract for ten films are to do

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with cryptids, and I think this one that I'll be

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in it'll be number five that I'm filming at the

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end of this month, and then the next one will

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be the sixth one, or maybe sixth and seventh. I

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lost count. But they stream on nine major platforms, so Hulu,

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Amazon Prime, you know, all the big name streaming platforms

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they're on.

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Speaker 3: So excellent. Well, congrats on that, Joe Hack. Maybe next

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time because it sounds like, obviously, especially you being such

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close friends with Doyle and you go out to his

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property all the time, it sounds like we'll need an

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update show. Maybe Doyle can even hop on and we'll

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do a little roundtable chat next time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and he's up for that. We did that

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with Morgan Nuts and uh uh with the uh lord,

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I'm forgetting to excuse me, Morgan, I forgot the name

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spirit parent, spiritual Encounters or paranormal account. I can't remember,

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but anyway I can actually either. Yeah, she's based out

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of Canada, so I've actually taken this story uh international,

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so it makes me happy.

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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, Well I just love talking Bigfoot. Everybody knows.

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It's no secret, so I appreciate it so much, Joe,

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thank you.

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Speaker 1: You bet, and I appreciate the invite. So I was

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given this name.

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Speaker 7: Parent business, my profession producers to forget it.

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Speaker 2: That's not.

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Speaker 7: That's something story that's all gone, that's all parts. I

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want to see them really who you are now, But

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nobody knows.

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Speaker 4: Who their names.

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01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:19,079
Speaker 3: Because we don't know ourselves except who listening to our egos.

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Speaker 1: And consulting our menmbers.

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Speaker 2: But then that's a really.

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Speaker 7: And then again LEAs expect this.

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Speaker 1: Question what are you?

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Speaker 4: That is the meaning.

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Speaker 7: We shall see how they play with this example, buy

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the CODs to get you to come out of your

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show and find.

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Speaker 4: Out how to be very old.

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Speaker 5: It's it's it's stuts Puts.

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Speaker 7: Me, for example, are quite divided on us. They will say, no,

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we don't believe literally in reincarnation that after your funeral

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you will suddenly become somebody different to being somewhere else.

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They will say, reincarnation means this that if you're sitting

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here now, are really convinced that you're the same.

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Speaker 4: Person at the door half an hour ago.

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Speaker 1: You'll be come.

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Speaker 2: If you're liberate.

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Speaker 4: Remas now that you're not.

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Speaker 7: The past hasn't existence, the future has existence.

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Speaker 4: There is a present.

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Speaker 7: That's the only meaning of the incidence, said master.

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Speaker 1: Don't care that the space in s.

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Speaker 4: String does not become sumthense.

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Speaker 7: Because there is something and then there is stree.

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Speaker 4: It's passsssssssssssssss.

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Speaker 7: Has the same ideas where he says, when you've settled

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down in the train, you can read your newspaper and

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so they were not the same person.

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Speaker 1: A while ago, and live the platform.

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Speaker 7: If you think you are, you are linking your moments

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up in the check and this is what binds to

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the wheel both when you know that every moment of

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which you are is the only moment. This comes intos

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And the Master will say from somebody, I can have

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a walk across the room and it can't be back.

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And he says, where your foot they've got mm hmm,

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So where are you?

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Speaker 1: Who are you?

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Speaker 7: When we are asked who we are, will we usually

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give a kind of recitation of an instru instr