Speaker 1: As you know, Connie Corso's are very big, very strong,
very powerful dogs. He had a mama with a litter
of pups that were sleeping in a shed near his house.
They had gone to town the grocery shopping. They came
back and noticed that the shed was damaged. Some of
the sighting was off, so he went out there to
check on the mama dog and the pups all were gone.
The tin on the shed had been peeled back the
mama dog. He searched for it, finally found a trail
of blood found where she was up in a tree.
What was left over and blood on the tree. She
had been slung by her back legs until she was
dead and just discarded and ended up hanging off a branch.
The pubs were never fail.
Speaker 2: The infinite complacent people went to and pro fears about
their little affairs, serene in the assurance of their dominion
over this small binning fragment of solar drip wood, which,
by chance or design, man has inherited out of the
dark mystery of time and space.
Speaker 3: On this episode of Into the Fray, I welcome Joe
Johnson on with me, and he's actually in the falk, Arkansas, area,
and you can visit him at Western Arkansas Paranormal. So
he doesn't do just cryptid stuff. I've got a Sasquatch
experience tanked up on today for you, Joe, with the
Sasquatch track on it. So we are ready to talk
about some bigfoot today, which includes of course the legend
of Boggy Creek, which we all know and love so much.
But welcome on the show, Joe.
Speaker 1: Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here.
Speaker 3: So we were kind of chatting a little bit over Facebook,
Messenger and then also email, and You're like, yeah, I'm
definitely into the bigfoot stuff and we can talk about that.
But it sounds like you got your start and kind
of your inception, maybe not by choice in the paranormal,
because you do have paranormal experiences that go back to
you say, when you were a child, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. I had my first full body apparition
when I was about five years old and my grandparents'
old house. I'm not sure if I sent you that photo,
but it was an old farmhouse in East Texas, and
like I said, I was about five, so fifty two
years ago, given my age away unfortunately, but yeah, so
I vividly remember it was the way the house was
set up. There was a dining room in the kitchen,
and then a spare bedroom that was attached just off
the kitchen, which is where we stayed whenever we came
to visit my grandparents. And I was playing in the
dining room and I saw somebody walk into the kitchen.
I looked up. I thought it was my mom, and
she walked into the bedroom. So I get up walk
into the bedroom, I mean just a few seconds after,
and there was nobody in there. So I'm like hollering
for my mom, Mom, Mom, where are you? And she goes,
We're in here watching TV in the living room, which
so I cut through the doorway that separated the living
room area from the kitchen and going there, and her
and my grandparents are sitting on the sofa watching TV.
And I was like, did you just come go into
the bedroom? She goes, no, I've been sitting here the
whole time. And I immediately got freaked out because I mean,
my five year old mind couldn't comprehend what I was
seeing and what was happening. So I mean I immediately got
very very upset in crying and scared, and my grandfather
jumped up and thought, well, you know, he'd obviously saw something,
so he went in there to check it out and investigate,
and there was nobody in there, no signs that anybody
had come into the house. So yeah, that that stuck
with me for quite a few years, which got me
interested the older I got and was able to understand more.
You know, Hans Holzer was a big influence, and when
I was fifteen years old, that's how I started. I
called it doing the an investigation Hans Holzer style. It
was with a portable audio recorder tape recorder and a
pad of paper and a pencil or a pen you know,
didn't have a camera at the time, but you know
I had, I had the wherewithal to try and catch
some EVP action while I was out.
Speaker 3: Well, actually I can. I can pick up with the
Hans Holtzer stuff because one of my very first ghosty
paranoi normal books that I ever got was hardcover Hans
Holtzer's Haunted America. And I think it's got the dust
jacket with the graveyard seeing on it. I've got it
somewhere in a box. I don't even think I have
that one out. But Hans Holtzer is just classic old
school just and I understand wanting to emulate him, you know,
when you go out and you do certain things also
with actual on site investigations. Okay, so this apparition that
you saw, did you ever at the time you're five?
It's not like you know, you can go down to
the library and look in archival anything if someone won't
go with you. Was there any reason for there to
be an apparition in that home in your grandparents place?
Speaker 1: I never actually had the chance to do any research
on the place. They sold the house about six months
to a year later and moved to way north of
Dallas instead of East Texas. So and I've hadn't been
back to that house since. I just happened to find
the polaroid picture of it, or my mom found it
in a big box of pictures that she had. She said,
you want this. I'm like, well, yeah, you know, so,
Uh that's the only way that I got got a
picture of the house. Uh, but you know, it's it's
funny it East Texas seems to be a really big hotspot.
I don't know whether it's because of its relative location
to uh, you've heard of Grand Saline Texas. Correct.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: Grand Sealine is famous for the salt mines, So there's
a large salt content underground in that portion of East Texas.
So and as most of us in the paranormal field
and go in paraor you know, ghost research, you know,
the salt is a very powerful mineral when it comes
to the paranormal and uh, you know it it tracks
not to mention the fact, you know that there's all
I have done research on East Texas a little bit
over the years. There's lay lines that come through there
real close. So you know, there's so many different things
that could be causing that large amount of paranormal activity
in East Texas.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I've been to East Texas myself. You know,
people don't realize Texas is not just one big dust
bowl with tumbleweeds. It's got regular desert. You get a
little bit more high desert and then you have actual
forested areas and that's why there are so many bigfoot
reports in Texas.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, And dogmen, yeah, which you know that for
sure firsthand.
Speaker 3: Yes, and wild regular dogs running around, just packs of
feral dogs which are also a little scary in the
hogs and all that. Absolutely, absolutely so once you saw
this apparition, did at five did that change? Do you
recall not sleeping as well? Or did it scare you?
Or did you just go, oh, guess there are other
things in this world that we're not quite sure about
that are right there with us.
Speaker 1: Right, you know. And that's funny that you asked the
question in that way, because from the time that I
was five on, I remember so many paranormal experiences, not
just that one. I mean, it wasn't an isolated case,
and they've continued. Now. I'm kind of of the mindset
that at that point in time in my life and
my brain development at five years old, seeing that may
have given me an ability to see through the veil
a little bit more than most people do. I remember
in the house that I was growing up in at
that time, seeing shadow people walk around the room. I
remember seeing unexplained things in the corners just out of
the corner of my eye, and not only that I
sensed it. Now, nobody by no means saying that I'm psychic,
because I'm not. I'm about a psychic as a rock.
But I do consider myself an impath, you know. I
can pick up on people's emotions and their feelings and
what their actions are going to be next. Ever, since
I was a kid, which really kind of led me
into my main professional career that I had was in
law enforcement, private investigations, and private security work. A big
portion of my p I time was spent following people,
obviously to for whatever reason. Most of my cases were
insurance fraud. But I was able to always get the
goods because I was able to anticipate what they were
going to do, not visualize it, but anticipate it, you know,
call it a gut feeling instinct, if you will. So
I learned how to use that early on as a kid.
You know, they say that an empathic person is animals
and people will just come up to them, you know,
just out of the blue, start a conversation or come
up and want you to give them pets, if it's
a dog or a cat or whatever. And that always
happened to me from the time I can remember around
that same age, and even until now. You know, people
say you got to watch out for my dog. You
may buy it, and they come up and they love
all mean, and they're like, I've never seen that happen
with anybody, you know. So I really feel like being
an EmPATH has actually enhanced my paranormal investigations and experiences.
I've been very fortunate and been able to have a
lot of paranormal experiences in my forty two years. Have
been investigating the paranormal that a lot of people don't get.
They go looking for them, but they always seem to
happen to me. I've gotten some pretty amazing photographs too,
you know. It's really it's strange to me that, you know,
people spend years of doing this and they snap thousands
of pictures and never get anything other than what they
would consider orbs, which personally I think they're dust particles
or bugs. But you know, hey, you know, if that's
what helps their belief system, great, you know, I'm not
going to argue with them. You know, that's their opinion,
you know. And I have seen some actual real orbs
which look totally different than what you see in the
pictures flying across the screen. But I think it's also
helped enhance my bigfoot investigations as well. Had some pretty
remarkable evidence being out in the woods in my research
area too, So it all kind of goes hand in hand.
Speaker 3: Hopefully I can word this properly to where I'm getting at,
and sometimes it takes me a while to land the plane,
so I apologize. Hopefully I'll be short with this one.
But so you said that you felt like seeing that
apparition unlocked something for you. Do you think that? You
know how some people I've talked to other folks and
maybe it's their spouse or whoever else is in the house,
and they go, well, if if they would have seen
this or experienced it, it may not have registered, or
they wouldn't have reacted to it. They just would have
poo pooed it away, you know, whatever it might have been,
or however little they might have reacted to it. Compared
to what, like, you really reacted to that apparition?
Speaker 1: Do you?
Speaker 3: And you're not going to know the answer to this,
of course, so it's just conjecture like everything, But do
you think that because you you did have react to it,
then that was the catalyst to in fact unlock this
now lifetime of experiences? Because if you if you just said, oh,
that was even if you didn't say that was weird,
you just glanced over and went back to your TV.
Or whatever the heck you were doing. Do you think
then that would have instantly none of the rest of
these things that I'm jotting down that you just mentioned
would have happened. Not you know, you wouldn't know, of course.
Speaker 1: But right well, you know, I mean, and there's always
a real possibility, you know. I think the best comparison
or visualization that I can give you and everybody knows
the story of Peter Pan, you know, and when they
forget how to be a child and have the child's
open mind is when they forget how to fly, you know.
So I really think that because it did affect me
and I did acknowledge it at five years old, that
that wasn't normal, that there's something different about this situation.
Although it scared the Bejesus out of me, But you know,
I think that kind of a shock value kept my
curiosity and kept my mind searching for answers. So therefore
I didn't forget how to be a child, and I
didn't forget how to fly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, great explanation. Yeah, And you know, part of
me wonders if a lot of this stuff is connected,
which I do think that it is. It's just a
guess nobody knows. But if it is, then why wouldn't
these things that can interact with us? And some do
seem to enjoy, instilling fear or trepidation or sometimes joy
and happiness sometimes, which is nice for those folks versus
the other. Maybe word does get passed around, Oh Joe, Jose,
Joe's one that sees us. We get to we get
to play with Joe.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, and that I think that does happen.
You know, I'm a firm believer that you know, our
our conscious does go on after we cease to exist
in the physical body for two reasons. Number one, I'm
a Christian and that's the basis of the Christian teachings
is that you know there is a heaven and uh so,
no matter what you want to call it, what's your
belief system that you have. We know within our hearts
as individuals that there's something else after. So if there's
logic would then dictate if there's something else after, then
there has to be a multitude of souls someplace that
are able to communicate with one another to say, hey,
like you said, this guy he knows you know, let's
talk to him or attempt to or whatever. You know. Again,
I'm not saying I'm psychic. I'm not saying I can
talk to the dead. But there's something that was flipped
on in my brain at five years old that has
enabled me to see past the veil that steporates life
from death. I'm not saying that it's anything mystical or
anything like that. I think it's an ability that we
all have depending on how our brain is wired, and
mine got wired in such a way at a young
age that enabled me to continue to pursue and finanswers
and develop my belief system.
Speaker 3: Are you aware of anyone else in your family that
is sensitive in any way?
Speaker 1: My mom, my grandmother was all on my mom's side
of the family, which if you've studied anything, and I
hate to say use the word a cult, but you know,
or witchcraft, but it's always on the mother's side and
always runs through with the females. You know. True, they
say that there's wizards and this, that and the other.
I think it's just something that's passed on naturally in
our genes, in our genetics.
Speaker 3: So you've seen shadow people and that's one of the
few things that I've seen with my own eyes. They
didn't interact with me. I just feel like I was watching,
almost like watching a movie. If they had interacted with me,
I feel like it would have been a much different
experience for me. The shadow beings that you've seen, is
this more like a fleeting out of the corner of
your eye in your own home, or is this on
location that is much like mind where it's more like
a real playing. What kinds of shadow beings have you seen.
Speaker 1: Both both of those that you described. I can recall
being on an investigation with the paranoral normal group that
I was associated with here in my area, great people,
Adrian and Tina scalf and it's a River Valley Paranormal
Research and Investigations r vp r I. I was associated
with them, and Adrian and Tina they tell their stories
in different conferences all over the country. So we were
at a I have to say undisclosed location because of
the agreements that were made in order to get in there.
But we all had seen something at the end of
a hall through a separation that it was like a
tea where the hallway teed into another and we were
looking down the one straight and the tea was in
front of us. We all saw something in the shadows moving,
so we kind of hunkered down, were quiet, just observing,
and we could see it moving. We could see it,
you know, sticking its head around the corner, you know,
all the typical things that you would expect to see.
And at the time, you know, we announced whenever we're
going to take a photo, you know, okay, fix and
take a photo. That way everybody could shield their eyes
because of the flash. I took two photos and suggest succession,
I will spit it out in a minute, and got
film at the end of the hall, standing about halfway
in between the the divider and you know, kind of
leaning out. So yeah, I've seen the shadow figures even
in this home which I bought this house nine years ago.
No history that I know of as far as anything paranormal.
But it wasn't long after me and my now deceased
wife had seen several things start happening, strange things, little things,
just us in the house. We were in the living
room one night, the back bedroom a man coughing. You know,
so I go back there, look, walk around the house.
Nobody's there. You know, certain things that you know you
just sat down, can't find it an hour or two later,
it's sitting someplace else or right back where you left,
you know, just little things like that. But I have
seen a shadow, people like objects, i mean put it
that way, moving around the house at night, you know.
So it's a it's interesting. It's interesting how again that
I've become so in tune that I'm able to see
him in a home that literally has no history of
a death in it or a paranormal background.
Speaker 3: Isn't it strange how some of the like you'll always
remember hearing that cough that you and your wife hurt.
I'm sorry to hear about your wife, by the way, Joe,
that it was only the one time the cough, Right,
it was just one of those weird, one off things
that really made an impression. But it never happened again.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's happened several times even now. Okay, yeah,
so it's it's continued, which leads me to kind of
believe it may be a kind of a replane type
of But it's just unusual. Again, like I said, no
history of this house having anything. Now, having said that,
the land may be a totally different story, right, you know,
there may have been something here prior before this house
even being put here back in the eighties, so you know,
we may further back this This town has been around
for a little while now.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to docks your location, are you? Are
you just a round Falc? Are you near Falc?
Speaker 1: Actually, I'm originally from Texa, Cana, which is just north
of Falk about fifteen twenty miles max. My research area
is down on the Suffolk River Watershed just north of Doddridge, Arkansas,
which is just south of the Mercer Bio. So, but
where I live now currently is in Greenwood, which is
just south of Fort Smith.
Speaker 3: I've actually never been to that area, have never been
to Falc. As many times as I've talked about Falc
and the legend of Boggy Creek and Bigfoot, that's one
place that I have got to go.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I noticed on your website that there's a Fouc expedition
that you guys did. That was a few years back, right, Well.
Speaker 1: That was the very first one that we decided to do.
We've actually started doing. The property owner as a friend
of mine, Dole Holmes. He can be seen on several
different TV shows concerning the Boggy Creek Monster. He is
a fortunate man that lives his property, is very active
in the land surrounding and is very active with the activity.
He's had experiences, i mean type a experiences several times
in the last twenty some odd years that he's lived
there and on that property. One of them lasted thirty minutes.
He watched from a canoe out in the middle of
mercer Bio and watched one for about half an hour.
Speaker 3: What was it doing.
Speaker 1: It was kicking around just in the off the shore
in the water, just kicking around. And then he'd been
down to pick something up. And you know, Dole's impression
was that he was looking for muscles, you know, probably
to eat. But he said that as far as he knew,
he knew I was in the boat, I knew he
was standing there. He just really didn't care and didn't
pay him any mind. And when he was done kicking
around the water, he just kind of turned around and
walked off. Wow you know, so, yeah, yeah, it was.
Dole's got some great stories from his experiences. He's he
walked up and startled a female with her infant one
night and she screamed, he screamed, He ran, she ran,
you know, so it was it was quite hilarious the
way he tells it. But uh so, yeah, we we
So with the extraditions, we we started doing them last
going on two months ago now, I think it was
in March. We hosted the b f R expedition out there,
so and that went what really really well. We're talking
seasoned Bigfoot investigators going all over the country. Some of
them have been from coast to coast and north to
south investigating Bigfoot, and they were just blown away by
the activities that we were having around that property. And
so they are all very very excited to look forward
to the next one, so, you know, which we're planning
on doing more. Doyle and I spent a week just
the two of us building a building out there just
for a bathroom and shower and sink, you know. That
way the ladies didn't have to go find a tree
or go out in the middle of the woods, you know.
So we we decided we were going to do that.
We got it done before the b FRO expedition and
everybody was quite pleased as they had a place to
go to the restroom.
Speaker 3: That's always a positive thing, I would say. So these
expeditions take place somewhere on Doyle's property.
Speaker 1: The campground that we've got set aside in the in
the bathroom facility are on his proper maybe half a
block three quarters of a block from his house as
you walk as the crow flies. But yeah, it's it's
on his property. Like I said, he's got I think
a little over twenty two twenty three acres there and
uh so it it is very heavily wooded. I have
had game cam set up for almost two years and
got some pretty remarkable pictures out there. But uh yeah,
so we so we hosted there. Uh there's other areas
like they've been. The last expedition that he did was
just a couple of weeks ago. I couldn't go because
I was going to Seattle, but they had numerous experiences.
They took boats out on the bio at night, and
so it's been it's been pretty active and it's starting
to pick up words words getting out, which is good
for Duel. It's going to help him have a little
bit of extra income for camping, you know, fees for
the campground and stuff like that to help support his family.
Speaker 3: So that's a good I mean, if you've got the activity,
and it's your property. It just seems like a no
brainer to try to have folks come out and finally
get their confirmation experience. Right.
Speaker 1: So, how absolutely.
Speaker 3: Is it FAUC Expedition dot com? Was that the website
that I saw? Or was that tied to your Western
Arkansas paranormal.
Speaker 1: It was faluc Expedition dot com or Expedition Faulcon. It's
one of the two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't remember now either. I will make sure
to link that though. So then, do you have the
dates for the next one or not quite yet?
Speaker 1: Not quite yet, We're still in the planning stages on
the next one. We look towards either early spring or
fall light fall, early winter, you know, the first half
of autumn before it gets really cold. Activities year round.
But you know, we're looking at the convenience and the
comfort of the people that will be wanting to come out.
You know, it's kind of hard to tent camp and
thirty degree weather.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not fun, not fun at all that After the
first night, you're just exhausted, you know, and you need
to have some of your wits about you. And sleep
is nice. People like sleep. So what about you you
have you have you heard strange things out there? Have
you had your own sighting?
Speaker 1: I have yet to have a visual sighting.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I have heard call you know, calls, you know, growls,
tree knocks, you know, all the typical stuff that people
report I've experienced out there.
Speaker 3: I mean the calls, is that things that you guys
are trying to elicit or does that kind of just
happen on its own out there?
Speaker 1: Just kind of happens on its own, you know, And
we kind of discourage people doing hoops and calls themselves
just because that's not what the bigfoot out there are
accustomed to, and so we don't want to do that
and have an effect where they don't come back in
as they have been for so long.
Speaker 3: Right, I think that's good, And I would imagine that
you guys have certain maybe ground rules of because you
don't want people to come out and go willy nilly,
and then I mean the activity could just stop all
together for maybe even years if somebody really screws something up.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh, absolutely, absolutely, you know it. We just generally
tell them, you know, we you know, we don't do
the hoops and the calls, you know, tree knocks are iffy.
But if they insist, you know, or you know, really
want to do a tree knock and see if they
get a response. Okay, fine, uh, you know, we're not
gonna just overly object. But you know, we we we
expect people to go in there with the same amount
of respect for the area that we do. You know,
we we don't want anybody going out there and just
sitting around the campfire getting drunk and say okay, let's go,
you know, or anything like that. You know, there's common sense,
common sense type rules of the ground rules that we used.
Speaker 3: So I guess you guys are of the mind that
and this works a lot of the time even when
people are not trying. But just your presence there and
cooking and setting up the tents and hanging out and
talking and laughing is enough to if there's going to
be activity, then they will elictit the activity, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, we had more activity sitting around the campfire
with the BFRO one than we did going out. It
was amazing how it draws them in. You know, they're curious,
they want to know what's going on, you know, what's
all this laughing and talking and stuff that we're not
used to hearing. So they're gonna come sit in and watch. Now,
you know Rick Taylor, Richard Taylor, which I don't know.
I'm pretty sure you probably know Rick Taylor. He was out,
he's been out three times now down there, and he's
gotten a lot of good stuff on his night vision,
you know, seeing a head pop up just just out
of light range into the darkness, you know, behind a
tree or a log or something, you know, down tree
or log, and you know, uh, and and and every time.
You know, he doesn't make any I love the way
he investigates and researches because he doesn't make any obvious
quick moves. He just plays it nonchalantly, keeps on carrying
with the conversation and then says, hey, you know, why
don't you look over this way to my left. You know,
he doesn't point or anything like that, and see if
you can see what I'm seeing, you know. And then
other people will will pull it up and just kind
of nonchalantly look around like you know we do, and
and they'll they'll sometimes catch a glimpse of what he's
been seeing, you know, or what he's catching at that moment.
So that's the type of of atmosphere that we want
to keep there, you know, to where it's not anything
that's going to startle them. We want them to come
in be curious about why we're there, but we don't
want them to, uh, be scared because somebody made some
quick movements or they picked up a tripod which looks
like a gun, you know, or something to them. You know,
we don't we don't want anything that's going to run
them away.
Speaker 3: So what kind of things went on during that campfire time,
during the BFRO expedition.
Speaker 1: During the time we were there. There's all sorts of
high strangeness out there. You know, you've got to take
in consideration that the the the mineral content the water,
the under underground water flows and everything that happens out there.
There's a lot of paranormal activity out there as well.
Doyle and his wife have experienced time slips out there.
You know. It's uh and it's strange to think about,
but it seems to be more of a concentration of
a combination of paranormal type activity or unexplained let's put
it that way, unexplained type activity and in the in
the the bigfoots, not that they're conjoined, they may be.
There may be something to some of these things that
people are talking about with portals and them being from
another either time or another dimension or something coming through.
There may be something to it. I have yet to
see it, but I've had so many people, uh tell
me their experiences with that. I mean, they're like, okay,
so how do you explain that you find a trackway
and then all of a sudden it just stops and
you can't find anything else? You know, that makes sense?
But uh uh, you know, I think that needs aspect
of it needs further investigation. But the activities we were
having down there were the the the growls, the knocks,
you know, the tic stereotypical stuff that you would experience
when on a Bigfoot investigation or expedition. And then on
top of that, we had these other things happening that
you know, paranormal unexplained however you want to look at
it at the same time, maybe in different areas, but
they were all continuous and they and it's every day.
It's not just that time, you know, I mean, this
is every time I go down there, something strange happens
that I can't explain that I have to put in
the paranormal tick box along with you know, Okay, I
know what that was. I heard that noo, I heard
that call, you know. I mean, so they all happened
in conjunction. But that place down there is just it's
it's high strangeness. That's the only thing that I can
come up with to describe it.
Speaker 3: So what kind of paranormal things were going on?
Speaker 1: Some of the paranormal things that were going on down
there were personally for me. I hear disembodied voices a
lot out there, and they sound like they're right close,
you know, it doesn't sound like they're way off in
the distance. I mean, it's just like you're sitting here
at the fire and you hear somebody saying something behind you,
and you turn around. There's nobody there. That type of
stuff happened. We've had unexplained lights, several people have saw
what they considered or what most people considered be a UFO,
you know. I mean, we've got all these things happening
in the same area. So nine times out of ten,
either myself or people that are there in search of
the Bigfoot are experiencing a lot of these same things
as well.
Speaker 3: Do you know some of the details of Doyle's time
slip incident. That sounds fascinating, I do.
Speaker 1: I do. Actually, it's he and his wife. She was
pregnant with I believe it was their youngest child, who
were not the baby, but the middle child, and they
had decided to go on a walk and explore some
property nearby, you know, just to get out and plus
I think, uh he was just tired of being stuck
in the house with a pregnant wife. But they got
out and they were walking walking around and there's the
old homestead out there, old cabin, uh, and they had
walked around that and his wife was uh, you know,
talking to him and and you know, looking at the
cabin and he was walking around and then they got
out of view from one another. So he said that
he started calling for and couldn't get a response, didn't
get a response, so he started, you know, getting a
little bit worried and started panicking because there's there's hogs
and you know, cougars and other stuff that that's down there.
Cougar is not as often, but they are there, and
uh so all these things were starting to run through
his head and so he was searching, searched inside around,
you know, and just kind of made a circle looking
and got further out as he went to try and
find her. He never did find her. She thought, well,
maybe she maybe she went back to the house, and
so walking it was about fifteen to twenty minute walk,
maybe a little bit longer. He ran back to the house,
hollered for her all the while, you know, calling for
get there and everything else. Wasn't it the house? So
he starts making his way back. Maybe I missed her,
maybe she's went off in a different direction and she's
back at the place looking for me. So he goes
back and he's standing there and then all of a sudden,
she says, where have you been? And he said he
hears her, and he says where have you been? And
she says, I've been right here the whole time. And
he's like, no, I've already been to the house and back.
I've looked, he said, I've been gone basically almost like
an hour searching for you. She goes, no, I've been
here the whole time, and you just walked around the
corner and he goes, no, I have literally ran to
the house ran back, he said. He said, at that
point in time, I was covered with sweat, I was
out of breath from running searching for it, and he said,
I was scared to death. And then for her to
tell me that, he's like, what the heck? You know?
So and then another similar story happened to the one
that she was pregnant with at the time. He was
a little older, I think three or four years old,
the same thing. He was right there, then he was gone.
They're searching their house, they're searching everywhere around the house
trying to find him, and they go out and they're
looking a little bit more. They come back in the
house and almost trip over him because he's asleep in
the middle of the living room floor. He wasn't there before,
you know. So it's stuff like that that, you know.
I mean, there's something something going on.
Speaker 3: Seeing what is that?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: Is that UFO alien stuff? Is that something completely different
that we just quite don't even know what box to
put that in yet? What in the world is that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I agree, it's it's one of those Okay, we're
gonna put this in the unknown box until we get
a little bit more to fill in the puzzle pieces,
to fill in the picture. You know.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 3: So, I mean that's I hear that so often people
that they might have some active bigfoot activity on their property,
no matter how big the property is. But then it
seems like it just starts to bleed into the house
and then they have these other experiences. Whatever the end,
it's a big like other where you can't quite fit
it into a neat little box.
Speaker 1: Right exactly, you know. And there's so many things like that,
you know. I mean we named a few of the
bigger ones, but I mean sometimes it's just the small things,
you know. Vehicle lights coming on all of a sudden,
then going on go to check them while they're on, Well,
there's nothing wrong, make sure everything's off, walk away. They
come back on again. Wait a minute, what's going on?
You know? So you check everything. Sometimes cars, when the
battery gets a little bit low, the lights will come
on to kind of notify you that the battery is low.
These were older model cars and didn't have that, you know.
So I mean stuff like that. Sometimes it's the small
stuff that really makes you scratch your head.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And sometimes it's the small stuff that really
just sticks in your craw and you're like that should
I should be able to explain that somehow? So have you?
Speaker 4: Ever?
Speaker 3: I don't know how many times you've gone out there.
It sounds like you're obviously friends with them. So have
you gone out there with groups and then you've had
zero bigfoot or paranormal activity happen.
Speaker 1: I have. It's rare, but I have, you know, which again,
you know, is kind of confirming and reconfirming to me
that these are actual beings, not something mystical. They do
have their their patterns, and so if you observe them
long enough, you can start picking up those patterns and
see where they're moving around at and and understand their
movements and times.
Speaker 3: Joe, do you think that that's a symptom of or
a result of rather who is out there at the
time with you guys?
Speaker 1: It could be you know, like I said, you know,
sometimes we get people in that are hardcore, uh you know, skeptics.
You know that even the vibe they put off, it's
like I just came here for camping, you know, or yeah,
not leave this crap or whatever, you know, And that's
get a person in the group, even if it's just
because they're having a bad day, then the activity level
just plummets. Now, if everybody is positive and having a
good time, then the activity is it's you know, goes up,
you know. So it's it's kind of a it's a
gauge when you when you generally see that the activity
is non existent, you start looking around and Okay, who's
having the bad day? You know, and try and figure
out what's going on to try and fix it. But
a lot of times, you know, it's just okay, yeah,
it's not gonna work this time. Let's let's walk away
from it and check it again later.
Speaker 3: Have you ever had a skeptic out there and then
they had what Will Jevining likes to call an underwear
changing moment that maybe changed their mind a little bit.
Speaker 1: I know we've had skeptics.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I can't say that they had to change their drawers afterwards,
but million times out of tendt to come around, come
around and say, yeah, yeah, I'm starting to kind of
figure out there's something more, you know. So you know,
it's just from observing the activity and experience, and even
if it's just a little bit that can't be explained,
you know, because the skeptic is going to throw everything
out there.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: You know, I even I, after all these years, am
skeptical about some stuff, and I will go through and
I will, you know, try to debunk ninety percent of
the things are more if it's not obvious that it's
not going to be able to be debunked. The experience
is just to make sure that we're not putting false
information out, you know, and kind of like some of
the pictures that I sent you, you know, I mean there's
a lot of people that think, oh, that could have
been photoshop, or that could have been this, that could
have been that. No, I can assure you that came
straight out of the game cam the way they are
all right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's let's discuss this image if we could, Joe.
Speaker 1: So that picture, it was on my game cam. Obviously
you can see all the gate game cam data on it.
The best thing that we can figure is that if
you if you look, you see the chin, the mouth,
and the nose in the upper left hand corner. As
you're looking at it, the mouth looks distorted. The best
thing that we can figure is that that was a
three sixty camera. So once that was triggered, you can
hear an audible war where the camera starts spinning and
we're thinking he was maybe looking at it trying to
figure out what it was that happened, and he moved back,
which caused the distortion. It's uh. I mean I've shown
that to Ronnie LeBlanc. As a matter of fact, his
jaw literally almost hit the floor when he saw it.
Uh So Uh, the Britney Barbieri, I've showed it to her,
you know. I mean the list goes on and on.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: Joe and Jesse uh from how Ben Holler showed them,
they were everybody was like, hey, can I get your number?
You know, we need to see more of this, We
need to talk more about it. So a lot of
people that are respected in that in that field to
have seen it were we're quite impressed with it.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna crop it real quick that way, It'll just
zoom in a little bit, see if that'll work a
little bit better. Unfortunately, stream Yard doesn't really let me
interact very well with files like that. There we go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I mean you can actually even see some
movement in the face. If you look close enough, you
can see the the kind of edges are blurring where
some of it's a little bit more clear, so it
looks like there's actual movement in it. And you can
also see some of the residual from where his face
appeared to be towards the middle right of the of
the picture. That that kind of brownish looking cloudy area
like he's it's kind of caught right as the picture took,
causing those artifacts. So yeah, but you can see the
the chin obviously, the lips in the bottom part of
the nose fairly fairly well in that photo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a strange one. Yeah, and that's your game
cam on Doyle's property.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I pulled it after the BFRO expedition because
some difficulties I had with it. It was starting to
malfunction a little bit, so I pulled it to be
able to kind of take it apart, clean it up,
reseal it, that type of stuff. But yeah, that was
that was taken about maybe a week after I first
set it out.
Speaker 3: Malfunctions. We hear about that a lot batteries draining things
just not work and write SD cars right and over themselves,
all sorts of things, right.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Yeah, that's that's what was happening, And I
just wanted to to pull it and kind of go
through it to make sure that there wasn't any mechanical
or electrical issues with it, which it's fine, you know,
so there was none of those found. So, uh the
one of the things too that I noticed on it
and noticed on the static one that I had not
too far away from there as well. There's every so
often there'll be great pictures before and after, but there's
always this one that there's nothing but pixelation, you know.
So you know, that's what kind of got my attention
to go ahead and pull it and check it out
and see what's going on. But uh, yeah, those pixelations
are really strange, especially to have a good picture before,
which is fine too, you know, it's just the one
in between, you know, and that's kind of hard to
explain that.
Speaker 3: That's when I love those kinds of instances where the
one before and the one after are perfectly fine, you
have this really weird one in the middle. You go, well,
m it's just seconds or milliseconds before and after, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, you know. And because the funny thing about
OMAR is the the the static cam, it takes three
consecutive pictures once it's triggered. The three sixty will do
the complete round of one picture each for each sector.
You saw that there was either like seven or six
sectors along the bottom of that strip, and I think
that was what the fourth one. So it started worrying
before it even got to the point to take that picture,
so you know, and it's it's pretty quick. I mean,
it moves pretty quick. So that again supports the movement theory,
you know, behind the distortions on that picture.
Speaker 3: Does Doyle have any camera set up, game cams or
any maybe live cameras like a rain camera, even CCTV
off of his house? Did they come up to his house?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, they've They've actually came up and stolen food
off the smoke.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Well who could blame him if he's got
the you know, if you got the trigger out, the
big foot should come in for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. But he's he's wanted to put out some cameras.
I think he's got one or two. I'm not sure
where he's got them positioned at. He hasn't said that
he's gotten anything on him most of the time, most
of the game cameras rather that he has that I
have seen have been out there for years when he
was doing a lot of hunting, and he's like, I
need to change the batteries and then I'll get busy
with something else and forget to change the batteries. So
they're pretty much useless at this point, not being able
to power up so well.
Speaker 3: And beyond that though, and I think that I'm sure
that you guys could have tested this. I bet Deloya
what if he was on with us now is that
it seems like they can tell when there's cameras around
and they can hear them or see him, whatever the
case might be. But if you stick something in my
living room that's not supposed to be there, I'm gonna
notice it too.
Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely absolutely. And that's why I tried to keep
them in one static place for long enough that they
would get accustomed to seeing it and quit paying an attention.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know a.
Speaker 1: Lot of people are like, well, I put out a
game cam. I kept it out there for a month
and didn't get anything. Well, that's because you kept it
out there for a month. It's still new, you know.
To the animals in the area, they're like, yeah, what's that.
You know, leave it out there for a while. It's
just like anything else. You know, you put a rose
bush out in front, you know you're going to notice
it the first several months, you know, well that's not
growing very much, you know, but then all of a
sudden next spring, it's like humongus. You're like, what the heck?
You know? So, I mean, it's it's one of those deals,
you know, to where you over time you get accustomed
to seeing it. You don't think about it anymore.
Speaker 3: So when you guys are doing either if it's just
kind of you guys doing your thing on the property
or the BFR expeditions, is there people both sleeping in
their vehicles and intents or is it all tent camping.
What kind of interactions have there been with where people
are sleeping or if at all?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's both. Actually the area that the clear cut
that we use as the camping area and also the
slightly wooded if people want to camp tent camp in
that area is big enough to allow you know, uh,
trailers or RB trailers or motor homes. We've had both
no issues there people being able to get in. We've
also had people and I started doing this as I
took out the back third row seats in my tahoe
and laid over the back seats and got an air mattress.
If it's just right in there. So I started sleeping
in my tahoe when I go out there rather than camping.
Speaker 3: Who could blame you, I would do the exact safe.
Speaker 1: My old body has been through the ringer. It's not
comfortable getting down on the ground.
Speaker 3: Oh listen, the older we get, the worse we sleep.
And dang it, people need sleep.
Speaker 1: You know, absolutely, absolutely so yeah, it's it's both. And
as far as any activity, I mean, we've had people
tell us that they heard somebody walking around their tent
or their vehicle. I personally, my brother and I to
kind of hang out and see what we could hear
or see or whatever. And he slept in the tahoe
with me. He had gone to bed sooner than I did.
I waited probably about two hours after every duel had
went home and he had went to sleep. I crawled
in there and just got covered up good. And then
all of a sudden, I hear Sam on the side
of the tahoe, and I'm just like, okay, well, everybody
goes to bed. They decided to come and make themselves known,
you know. So I just rolled over and went to sleep,
you know. But the next morning, you know, it looked
like there was a smudge mark on the on the
side of the tahoe, you know, so you know, take
it for what you will. You know, something happened that
wasn't happening when I was sitting out there waiting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I'm going to be talking to a
gentleman next week. I believe that he's got some real grease.
See what look like large handprints on his vehicle. And
they definitely like to come in and look. They're certainly creepers, you.
Speaker 1: Know, absolutely absoute hundred percent. They like coming in and
seeing what's going on in their backyard.
Speaker 3: Do you so, does the you know part of the rules.
Does that include not leaving food out? You know, do
you go stack apples or leave food out for them
anything like that.
Speaker 1: We don't discourage that at all. You know. Gifting is
certainly something that I think might be beneficial, you know,
especially if you're trying to keep them coming back to
one certain area. I haven't done it, just because I'm
of the mindset that if they see us leaving stuff
there and they're not accustomed to it, are they going
to leave it alone or are they going to think, Okay,
can't come back here because people are coming here, you know,
and then again you got the other animals too that
might take it before you know, any any good stuff happens,
you know. So I'm kind of by the mindset for
myself that I don't but we don't discourage it if
somebody wants to give it a shot.
Speaker 3: Has anyone ever, or maybe Doyle has his own animals,
dogs and things, has anyone brought their own pet out
to see maybe if it was intentional or not, to
see how that would change the activity.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, that's a that's a good question, very
good question, and I've got some very good answers for
you on that. Doyle has and has raised Connie Corso's
for years. And he's got two males and a female.
It's the mother, the father, and the lone surviving pup
from the last litter, which he's not a pupp He's
as big as his father now and good and bigger.
But as you know, Connie Corso's are very big, very strong,
very powerful dogs, and again Dolls been raising them and
bringing them for years. And he had a mama with
a litter of pups that were sleeping in a shed
near his house. They had gone to town the grocery shopping.
They came back and noticed that the shed was damaged.
Some of the sighting was off, so he went out
there to check on the mama dog and the pups
all were gone. The tin on the shed had been
peeled back the mama dog. He searched for it, finally
found a trail of blood found where she was up
in a tree. What was left over and blood on
the tree. She had been slung by her back legs
until she was dead and just discarded and ended up
hanging off a branch. The pups were never found. So, uh,
I don't think of anything that can take in eighty
pound ninety pound Connie Corso it's gonna be mad and
mean because their pups are missing, grab them by the
hind legs and twirl them around and beat them to
death against a tree. If it's not something that's big
and by paid by people. You know, if it was
a cougar, there would have been blood from the get go.
They still leave them up in the in the branches
of a tree. That's what cougars do. But it would
have been obviously eight on before it just was abandoned,
not twisted. So yeah, it's it happened, so we as
far as anybody else's dogs, we we generally don't encourage
that simply because you know, with the Countie Corsos they
can be pretty territorial anyways, so we don't want any
you know, happen to anybody else's dog. But on the
plus side, with his dogs there, they alert so well,
and when there's people at the camp, they come and
they'll sleep in the camp. If they hear something thereafter it,
if there's something getting too close, they will will know,
they'll start growling and barking. And then if they take
after it, you know that there's something that they're they're
chasing away. So yeah, it's a benefit to have them
there for sure.
Speaker 3: Terrible story though about the mother and her pups. So
the mother was not eaten on at all. She was
just killed as if she had probably, like you said,
been trying to defend her pups whatever had come in
for those terrible.
Speaker 1: Yep, exact yep, yep it was. That's that's one of
the stories he first told me, and that stuck with
me all these years. You know.
Speaker 2: So I.
Speaker 1: Generally when the dogs or the all three of the
cones or are alerting and looking and they will. They
will stand up and if their hair, you know, they'll growl,
they'll bark. But if their back hair starts bristling up
and they start leaning like they're looking and fixing ahead
that direction, Okay, they've got something. There's something that was
either coming in or something that they don't want near us,
and they're going after it to drive it off, and
they'll they'll be gone for days. Sometimes Douel has told me, sir, well,
I guess Tank is dead, or I guess Rangers dead,
or you know, or a mystique, which is the three dogs.
You know, they've been gone, you know, for five days,
ain't seen them. A day or two later he'll call
me up and say, hey, you know up, they're back,
skinny as hell and beat up, but they're back, you know.
So it's it's funny that you know, they are that
protective of not even just Dole's family, but everybody that's there,
so uh, and they do it really good everybody. He
always says that we feel so much safer that the
dogs are here, that we don't have to worry about something.
Speaker 3: Should almost touch a little mini GoPro to one of
you know, their callers or something. Well, it's like if
they could talk, like, what do they see over those
several days? You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've talked about that and Doles wanting to get some,
you know, and they do have dog harnesses that have
cameras on them built in, so he's he's talked about that.
He said, Man, I looked into him. They're not cheap.
Speaker 3: No, they're not. They're not. So when did that incident
happen with the mother and the and the pups. Was
that shortly after he moved in?
Speaker 1: I can't remember if it was then or a couple
of years after, but I mean, it wasn't recent. It
was it's been several years, but I can't remember the
exact timeframe that he had described, but it was it
was enough for him to file that in a way
and say, hey, you know, you don't need to be scared,
but this did happen, you know type of thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I would imagine that at least a
little bit, that must have left a slightly bad taste
in his mouth as far as what they you know,
they don't have full boundaries and understanding of oh, well
that's his dogs and he loves the dog. So we
shouldn't go in and try to eat the babies and
kill the mom and the whole you know, that whole
incident that happened, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it kind of was. At first when that
incident happened, he said, I was really vigilant about, you know,
keeping it on my dogs after that, he said, But
as time went on, you know, that was the worst
incident that ever happened, he said, So I you know,
I figured that you know, they would find were fine
and can handle it on their own, he says, not
saying I haven't lost dogs since then, he said, but
that was the worst out of all of the bad
situations where I lost the dog, he said, These, he said,
these connies, the coursos are so tough. He said. They
can generally handle themselves against just about anything. So he's like,
I'm not worrying about it.
Speaker 3: So, oh well, that's that would not be a nice
find at all. So why don't we play? Oh well,
I guess we should set this up because I'm kind
of assuming maybe the audio that you sent me is
this from Doyle's property or is it? Okay?
Speaker 1: It is it's a it's about centered. Let me give
you the backstory on that a little over a year ago.
It was in I think it was either in the
end of March or the end of May. I can't
remember one of the m months. It all blends together now.
I had gotten a trigger on my static camp which
was set up on the north side of his property.
And when I looked at it, I saw the typical
big which I'll send you that picture that you can
attach it later on a big and we went back
and measured it. Doyle's over six foot tall and he
had to reach up to touch to show where the
head was on the silhouette that we got on the
game camp. We went out and stood it exactly where
the game cam up is and took a picture of
that area, and then took a picture with Doyle and
he was holding his hand up and you put him
side by side. It was another his arm length higher
to the top of the head. So we're figuring around
seven and a half eight foot tall. That was on
a Wednesday Thursday morning. I get an alert because I
had it hooked up cellular, so I get alerts. Whenever
it took some pictures, I got another alert, pulled it
up and strectly. This was the first one was over
this way that the one on Thursday morning was straight
ahead and you can see it's the backside I'd say
about seventy five yards away. You really have to zoom in.
You can see it, but you have to zoom in
to really look at it. The backside of one walking away,
so it was coming through the camera snapped it as
he was moving through. So I decided. I told Dole,
I said, I'm going to put together a audio trap.
I said, I'll be out there tomorrow. Let me back
up a little bit. So when I got that alert,
I almost simultaneously I got a message from Doyle on
Facebook said, hey man, he said, You're never going to
believe what I saw this morning. And I said, let
me guess about about eight fifteen on the north side
by the north Cami. He said, how do you know?
I sending the picture. He says, I'll be damned. You
got it again, you know. So he was just mine
was blown that I'd got the same animal to her
creature or entity, whichever way you want to look at it,
two days in a row. So I told him. Then
I said, I'm going to come down to morrow put
together a audio trap. I'll come down tomorrow and we'll
set it out. So sounds great. So I got out
there about three o'clock in the afternoon, had it, got
it all set up ready, put together, and made sure
everything was on. We set it out kind of in
the center between the north and south side of the
property and just virtually almost straight out from where the
campground is. Set it out, picked it up the next
day when it back out, got it retreated the next day.
So the audio that you're going to hear was about dusk.
It was actually darker on that Friday after I had
can snap those two.
Speaker 6: Pictures, right, let's it play on this, I play it again.
Speaker 1: So that audio is just a snippet of all the
audio I got over that twenty four hour period. I
still got eighteen hours that I haven't listened to yet.
That's just the first six hours out of the first
six hours. So, and I don't know if you noticed,
about midway through you could hear two knocks. You hear
the communication going on. To me, it sounds like it's
a little bit lower than the growls or the howls
or howls however you want to describe it. But it
sounds like some what I call gibberish where it sounds
like there's more than one kind of saying something back
and forth. So it's that's the one that really stuck
out to me. And like I said, it was just
that Friday, And to be honest with you, that's a
typical Friday. That's a typical Monday, that's a typical Tuesday,
that's typical Wednesday and Thursday. Hearing that kind of stuff
coming out of the woods. So yeah, when I say
that we heard a call or a howl, that's that's
what I'm describing.
Speaker 3: And there's certainly a mumbly quality to it to where
you almost can hear what they call like a samurai
chatter going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's that's what I like in it too,
is a samurai talk, you know that Ron Moore Haad
got way back in the seventies, you know. So it's
it's fascinating to me that something from the Pacific Northwest
and something from Southwest Arkansas can sound so similar, you know,
which leads me to believe that they are related in
some form or fashion. Southwest Arkansas there's definitely smaller, you know,
they don't go as high as ten and a half
eleven foot tall, like they're saying out Pacific Northwest. But man,
you know, there's got to be something to this. And
I hear people all the time telling me their stories
from the Appalachian Mountains, Pennsylvania, Upper Upstate, New York, York. Uh,
you know all these other areas across the country, Ohio,
you know, the Peninsula in Michigan. You know. I mean
it's they're all virtually identical. Uh, except for the locations.
You know. I've played that for somebody from the North
Carolina and they're like, man, that's almost exactly like what
I heard, you know. So, I mean it's it's it's
pretty close across the board. So for somebody to say that, well,
that can't be the same thing because Bigfoot's only in
the Pacific Northwest. They're all over.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, those are the people haven't looked beyond five
minutes of you know, anything for Bigfoot. So they just
they think when we say bigfoot, we mean one dude.
We're like, no, yeah, when you say bigfoot, it's it's
big feats is we just we don't say bigfoots. We
say bigfoot. That is all encompassing. So is the thought
then that they're they're all year round at Doyle's property.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is. You know, obviously in the winter months
the activity is not as high, and during the extreme
heat of the summer months it's not as high. Just
like any other animal that lives in the woods, they're
going to hunker down, you know, when it gets extremely
hot to conserve their energy, or when it gets extremely
cold to conserve their resources, so they're not burning fat
as much, you know. So yeah, there are slower times now.
If you look at the maps, you've got east Texas,
northwest Louisiana, southwest Arkansas, southeast Oklahoma, and all the way
up northwest Arkansas and northeast Oklahoma. That's almost like a
trackway that they follow. If there's any migration patterns, it's
going to be along those lines. You've got uh, Haunchy
Town in Oklahoma, which is considered like the Bigfoot capital
of Oklahoma. Uh and uh that it's it's amazing to
see that when you look at it on a map,
it's almost a direct line down those four states, you know,
into northern Louisiana. So it kind of makes you wonder,
are they migratory? Are they family groups that just happened
to be spaced along those same things that that same line.
You know, there's so many theories that that you can
come up with, but there's there's definitely a coalition between
the ones here in the more southern parts of Arkansas,
and in northern Louisiana and eastern Texas, all the way
up into as far as I know into Kansas, uh
you know, in Missouri. So it's it's it's almost like
a st So it kind of makes you wonder, uh
if that's uh uh, there's a correlation that these may
be separate family groups but part of a larger family
or different clans of a different family. You know, it's
the the the variations are mind boggling. Once she's trying
to think about, you know, why is this happening? Why
is it so strong in this area? But then again,
you look at the Pacific Northwest, you know, it does
the same thing all the way up into British Columbia
into Alaska. So it's it's almost uh like they're they're there,
they've got different zones depending on where they're at, what
part of the country that their populations are heavier, and
they travel through.
Speaker 3: What about his situation with neighbors does, and and if
he's near some kind of a preserve or something, I don't.
I don't want to give out his location or anything,
so you can leave that out. But how close are
his other neighbors?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: I think the nearest neighbor that he's actually got is
probably about a mile to a mile and a half away.
I mean, he's fairly isolated there. That area is so
sparsely populated that, you know, it's pretty good distance between
the residences. Now, having said that, you know, talking to
some of his neighbors in Passing, they've all had experiences.
There's one family that when it starts getting dark, they
go inside and they lock the doors. They don't go
outside after dark.
Speaker 3: And they say that's because of the activity that they've had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they say, we know it's out there, we've seen it,
we've heard it. We ain't going out, you know. And
then there was a Dole Talks. There was about a
Native American man who lived I don't know, about two
and a half three miles away. He's passed, since passed,
and nobody even goes to his property anymore. But the
neighbors were telling him that he had actually made friends
with a group of these are bigfootage or sas watch
and had names for each and every one of them,
and they would come and visit, for lack of a
better term, to his house and he spoke to them
in his native language and they understood. So what verifies
that story for me is Doyle had gone out with
another researcher, that Dave Rogers aka Sasquatch you can find
him on Facebook and all over good guy, good Christian
man had gone out in the boat and the on
the bayou and they hear these It was already after
dark or dusk, about the time that they go to roost,
and they heard one, you know, screaming like he was
being attacked. You know how you know a chicken or
a duck or a goose would you know, squawk if
something was coming after it. And then all of a
sudden they got quiet and what sounded like a Native
American term I can't even pronounce it now, a toka
ky or something like that, Hi tokak. Dole could probably
say it better than I can. But anyway, they heard this.
So Dole and I started checking and investigating, and every
indication that we're getting is that word was used like
to say we are the men, or we are the champion,
you know, something like that, something to designate them. You know.
The celebration, it was a cry of celebration that they
had caught one and we're celebrated it. Now, the ironic
part about it is it happened in an area that
was inhabited by Catto Indians. This branch of Caddos only
lived in that area, this section of that tribe, and
that language, particular language that that tribe spoke, which was
slightly different, has been dead over a thousand years. So
whatever it was caught that goose and had learned that
from truth being passed down just like we learned to
speak our language through the years, and was celebrating catching
that goose.
Speaker 3: That that is incredible. It makes you wonder. You're like, hey, Doyle,
maybe we should learn some some of that language somehow, right,
Like what in the right world?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, So it's a and that was again it
was more of a solidifying story. Yeah, back up the
Native American story that the neighbors had been talking about
the Native American man.
Speaker 3: It makes you wonder how that the old gent made
friends with them, right, Like how long did that take him?
What did he do to make friends with them to
where it sounds like he was having up close and
personal interactions with them. Whatever that looked like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, and I've often wondered that myself.
But you know, I had to put myself in his
shoes and think, Okay, if I'm speaking this native tongue
and they know the native tongue, or at least enough
to where we can communicate, you know, and okay, so
I'll say something out to the woods and then I
get a response. We do this for a little while,
and then it starts getting closer over time, until eventually
we kind of meet in the middle and make ourselves
known and try to have a conversation. And we do
that over a period of a couple of years or more.
You know, it's going to build a relationship, and then
that relationship is going to grow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe that could be enough. And I think that
that's so smart that and I've been I've been guilty
of it too, you know, going out and trying to
make vocal calls, and I think even knocking. I think
even knocking sometimes you know, you might be saying something
that you're not intending to say. So I mean, especially
with the calls though, goodness knows what is going on
with those calls, right, So I think, yeah, if this
old gent actually could speak out that essentially gone language,
and my goodness, what an edge he had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, absolutely absolutely. And you know, I I've known, like,
like I said, I've known Dull forty years, you know,
and I've never known him to be anything but truthful
and honest. You know, So if he tells me something,
I can take you to the bank. And so, you know,
talking with him about what him and Dave experienced, and
then hearing the neighbors talk about the Native American Indian gentleman,
you know, it it all meshed.
Speaker 3: Does he feel like, and I'm sure that there's plenty
of times where he can go out and put something
on the smoker and nothing's going to come in. But
does he also feel like if he set up a
bunch of cameras everywhere on his property and had every
inch cover that, then the activity would in fact essentially stop.
Speaker 1: And that's we've talked about that, and and we've kind
of hoopooved the idea because of that possibility. Yeah, you know,
minimalism sometimes is the best approach instead of just an
all out assault. Let's let's do one here, and do
one there, and and and see what happens. We can
always move it if nothing does, you know, rather than
just blanketing the whole area and them deciding not to
even come back.
Speaker 3: In, right, And because that's something that I think sometimes
people just they just kind of spit that out, like
we'll cover every engine cameras, then you go, yes, but
if you actually take the time to listen to people
that have had this activity or do try to capture activity. Heck,
even with UFOs, it's the same thing. The second you
even think, oh, let me take a picture, they're already gone.
They've left, and you might have been watching them for
half of an hour and they're gone. So in all
of these kinds of paranormal activity, bigfoot activity, it's almost
a surefire way to get things to stop and just
stop fully.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, one hundred percent, you know, And I'm normally
one that gerald who just burrows right in. You know, Okay,
let's go in this area. It's better to slow down,
take a slow approach, and be patient.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I totally agree with that. So this is
the the largest body of water here is the Sulfur
River by his please, Well, Mercer.
Speaker 1: Bio is pretty big. It's uh, I think Mercer covers
enough space. Uh in that immediate vicinity that there's so
much food sources, so many food sources. Is such a
huge water source as well. Uh. The Sulfur River is
uh meanders through there. So in all the creeks, such
as Boggie Creek, they all flow into the Sulfur River.
I think Boggie Creek actually flows into Mercer, which then
flows into or the river flows into Phil Mercer and
then out. So uh they're all connected, you know. And
in one of the most famous lines in the movie,
the legend of Boggie Creek is they always follow the water,
always follow the creeks, you know. So you know which
I've been fortunate enough to Uh. I knew Charles Pierce
in passing before he passed away. Uh I know is
his ugh her and his son, his daughter Pamela, who
now owns the rights to the movie and audio and
is putting them out there and high death and four
K and all that good stuff now for purchase. Another
merch UH known her for for several years. And I
knew Chuck, his son Chucky he was. We all went
to the same high school and so, uh, they're they're
both a little bit older than me. I think Pamela
is just a year or two. Uh and and Chuck
was just behind her. So that was the tail end
of that age range. So but I've known them and uh.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: An exciting thing too, is that Pamela had just announced
not too long ago that there is going to be
a direct sequel made to the legend of Boggie Creek.
Unlike Boggy Creek too, the legend continues, which was a
total script, uh you know, fictional accounts. She's going to
be doing a direct authentic docu drama just like the
first one. And she's gonna be doing it with the Robertsons,
Willie Robertson and yeah, so all of them are involved
in that. So she's got some good stuff coming in
the future, some exciting stuff. So I was privy to
that probably about a year year and a half before
it was announced. So I was so excited when it
was finally announced. And she's a great lady, uh you know, uh,
she's she's doing her dad's stuff justice, you know, So
it's uh, it's good to see it. But what made
me think about telling you that too was in the
legend of At Boggy Creek two. The legend continues, Chuck
was the blondehaired guy that was always without a shirt on,
and we used to pick at him about that. Why
is it when there's pretty girls around in the movies,
you're taking your shirt off.
Speaker 3: You're like, funny how that happens?
Speaker 2: Chuck?
Speaker 1: Funny how that happens?
Speaker 3: You only be like, oh, sure fell off again? That
darn thank you falling off? Well, you know, no, you
go ahead.
Speaker 1: I was fixing to say, you know, if that song
had come out to years earlier. You know, tequila makes
your clothes falls off? Swore it was an alcoholic right.
Speaker 3: You're like, how many shots did you have today? Chuck?
I can see you're you're not speaking funny, but this
shirt just won't stay on. What know you? You guys
have got some really cool stuff going on to Joe,
and I really appreciate you coming on and being willing
to share all of this. And yeah, even if you
were talking about your webmaster updating the website, even if
she just said, you know, another one coming, you know
that way people know that it's it's still gonna be
going on that is so exciting, and the the website
is FOUC Expedition dot com. And then of course mention
anywhere else your socials or anything else that you wanted
to mention so people can go visit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm on the Facebook under Joseph Johnson and if
you want to post the link, you can. I don't
know it off the top of my head, except for
Joseph Johnson is the name of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely like that.
Speaker 1: I'm also on Instagram. I have Expedition Fouc on Instagram,
and then I also have Joe Johnson sixty eight is
another one that it's a personal one of mine, and
then I also have Joe Johnson, writer actor on Instagram
as well.
Speaker 3: Excellent.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so I've just recently started, I say recently,
a little over a year ago, started the acting game.
And I'm actually going to be filming in Monroe, Louisiana
the end of this month twenty second through the twenty
fourth on a horror comedy called Rules for Abduction about
alien abductions, and then I will be in Arizona more
than likely late spring early summer for ten days filming
the next one in that series, it's gonna be called
El Chupacabra Attacks, So it's two different genres of There
are all the movies that Open Heart Productions have been doing.
They have a contract for ten films are to do
with cryptids, and I think this one that I'll be
in it'll be number five that I'm filming at the
end of this month, and then the next one will
be the sixth one, or maybe sixth and seventh. I
lost count. But they stream on nine major platforms, so Hulu,
Amazon Prime, you know, all the big name streaming platforms
they're on.
Speaker 3: So excellent. Well, congrats on that, Joe Hack. Maybe next
time because it sounds like, obviously, especially you being such
close friends with Doyle and you go out to his
property all the time, it sounds like we'll need an
update show. Maybe Doyle can even hop on and we'll
do a little roundtable chat next time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and he's up for that. We did that
with Morgan Nuts and uh uh with the uh lord,
I'm forgetting to excuse me, Morgan, I forgot the name
spirit parent, spiritual Encounters or paranormal account. I can't remember,
but anyway I can actually either. Yeah, she's based out
of Canada, so I've actually taken this story uh international,
so it makes me happy.
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, Well I just love talking Bigfoot. Everybody knows.
It's no secret, so I appreciate it so much, Joe,
thank you.
Speaker 1: You bet, and I appreciate the invite. So I was
given this name.
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want to see them really who you are now, But
nobody knows.
Speaker 4: Who their names.
Speaker 3: Because we don't know ourselves except who listening to our egos.
Speaker 1: And consulting our menmbers.
Speaker 2: But then that's a really.
Speaker 7: And then again LEAs expect this.
Speaker 1: Question what are you?
Speaker 4: That is the meaning.
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the CODs to get you to come out of your
show and find.
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Speaker 7: Me, for example, are quite divided on us. They will say, no,
we don't believe literally in reincarnation that after your funeral
you will suddenly become somebody different to being somewhere else.
They will say, reincarnation means this that if you're sitting
here now, are really convinced that you're the same.
Speaker 4: Person at the door half an hour ago.
Speaker 1: You'll be come.
Speaker 2: If you're liberate.
Speaker 4: Remas now that you're not.
Speaker 7: The past hasn't existence, the future has existence.
Speaker 4: There is a present.
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down in the train, you can read your newspaper and
so they were not the same person.
Speaker 1: A while ago, and live the platform.
Speaker 7: If you think you are, you are linking your moments
up in the check and this is what binds to
the wheel both when you know that every moment of
which you are is the only moment. This comes intos
And the Master will say from somebody, I can have
a walk across the room and it can't be back.
And he says, where your foot they've got mm hmm,
So where are you?
Speaker 1: Who are you?
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