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Speaker 2: For sure, Victor. You know my favorite part of the
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Speaker 3: That's a terrible idea, Jesse. How about we just get
to the episode.
Speaker 2: Oh find you spoil sport. Let's take a break and
you'll be here on the other side with Tidy Takes.
Speaker 3: I ran and Spain falls mainly on the plane. Welcome back,
and we are pleased to have another edition of Tidy Takes,
which of course means we get to welcome in our
tidy Admiral Ryan, my friend.
Speaker 4: How you doing, Victor, I'm great, and I've got to
say you sound like you have a bit more life,
a bit more true to life authenticity than you'd in
the introduction, So I'm happy to be talking to the
genuine article.
Speaker 3: Here meet more of the Hello.
Speaker 4: We're excited to be back here with the Tidy Takes.
And I think we've settled on a nice schedule here.
Every month or so, maybe a few more weeks after that,
we'll go back and we'll review some of these trades.
And we've carried over a couple from earlier in the
season that are very exciting to talk about here. And
these trades are one for one and there's a lot
of different kinds of Dynasty trades. We're going to talk
about two different kinds here today, one for one trades
and consolidation trades. We'll start with the one for ones.
When the immortal words of Bob Mackenzie, these trades are
one for one. The players featuring in these trades are
all still young in their pro hockey journeys, with varying
levels of development left before they are fully formed NHL mainstays.
As I mentioned, we left these trades off the previous
episode of Tidy Takes, even though they happened over the offseason,
because we felt it would be smart of us to
give these guys a month or two to get settled
into their situations, just to see how the development progresses
before we render judgment. The one constant for both of
these one for one trades is Tidy. Lord Stanley manager
Rank King Mason. Mason, in his comments to me about
these trades had this to say, just to set them
both up. In Tidy, everyone has the same goals in mind.
Goal number one is avoid relegation and goal number two
is to build a contender, which means the most difficult
thing in Tidy is trying to identify these situations where
it's a win on both sides. This is a good
summary of what we want to talk about with these
two trades, the idea of a win and victor. I
know you are a proponent of a win in Dynasty.
Not only is it good trade etiquette, it's the way
to get ahead in our league when nobody wants to
take a step back, especially early in the season. With that,
let's get into the first trade here, which was actually completed.
It's one of the earliest trades that happened in the offseason.
The second trade that happened in the entirety of the
tidy prior to our prospect drafts. Mason the Rank King
acquires dual winger Ridley Grieg of the Ottawa Senators from
the Pittsburgh Mutant Turtles for d Villi Hainola, who is
a very interesting and exciting player, especially right now as
he's just made his season debut for Winnipeg after returning
from injury. We didn't hear back from Josh, the manager
of the Pittsburgh Mutant Turtles, but I had a detailed
conversation with Mason about this, and he had this to say.
I had a surplus of miners eligible defenseman, which made
trading someone reasonable. Hanola fit the mold as someone that
has legitimate NHL scoring potential, could be streamed for the Miners,
and was waivers eligible in real life, meaning he would
be guaranteed a roster spot with the Jets this season
so they don't send him down. He figured that Hanla
would have decent value because of these things, and goes
into a little bit more about Hanla, saying that last
season he made the team before getting injured at the
end of training camp and missed a significant chunk of
the season. Boy, that's deja vu again. For this year,
same thing happened, getting hurt in trading camp and making
his return in late November. His fantasy ranking has been
gradually declining since before the injuries, but that certainly hasn't
helped his case. On the flip side, Ridley Greeg is
a guy that Mason is probably higher on compared to
the consensus. He's shown a typical trajectory of a player
that can slot up and down the lineup. Has displayed
an underrated offensive upside at bash peripherals that should give
Greeg a solid floor. Josh had a really strong draft
and built a solid roster after earning a spot in
Lord Stanley this season, but he noticed that Josh didn't
have any defensive prospects that could be streamed and had
logjam of minors forwards that were close to graduating Ridley
Greeg being one of them. So it seemed like a
fit for both teams. Looking at this from the perspective
of win, what do you think, Victor, is it Grieg
or Hanola that comes out on top in this deal?
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was a really interesting one, right, Kudos to
Mason for identifying this win. I definitely think that is
a hard thing to do in Lord Stanley Division. As
he articulated, the incentives are quite different. It is a
bit more like a deep redraft for like a keeper,
where you really can't mess around too much. You can't
necessarily you have to be careful about relegation, especially since
there are three teams that go down during relegation. That
is not just an afterthought, It's something that is fairly
likely for a few teams, and so you've got to
be really careful. And I think that the other thing
is that I really have liked Heinolah for a long time.
I thought that the Jets were a little harsh on
not giving him more of an opportunity. And then, of course,
as outlined, the injuries have really hurt his chances. It
was so awesome to see him make his debut. He
didn't play that much, only twelve minutes. Ease him in,
don't throw him to the Wolves. And the nice thing
is that the team is so good that they can
shelter him a little bit, but he can also contribute,
which I think is really nice. You had that broken
ankle he had last season at the end the preseason,
after he was looking so good. I was so excited
about him. Then had surgery. Look good in the AHL,
the screw got infected, which was just It sounds like
it's been a really horrible situation for him, but hopefully
things are turning around. Hopefully his break is finally coming
and that he can realize his full potential. I think
that it looks like he can just looking at their
depth chart being such a good team, that might be
difficult for Heinola, but Hayden Flurry, I think Heinola can
be better than Hayden Flury. And I know that Dylan
Samberg has been there too, and I think he might
be injured. Anyways, I just hope the kid gets a
shot because I think he's actually pretty good. I think
he just hasn't necessarily gotten the full shot, and so
the fact that this is happening now hindsight, but it
definitely looks better for the Heinola GM, and so I
would lean that way. I think Mason is a little
higher on Greed than I am. I see the appeal,
though the currently when I look this up, two point
nine Fantasy points per game is pretty below replacement level,
so that's not super exciting. Maybe he can turn that around.
He has had some good deployment, and Greed does have
a pretty nice floor, so that can maybe be pretty decent.
But I think at this point, I think it's pretty
easy for me to say Heinola. When the trade was made,
I think that might have been a more difficult decision
to make because we didn't know how much Heinola will
be playing. We still don't know he might be in
and out of the lineup. He might not play very much.
He might have just one or two Fantasy points, which
in a league that limits games played, that isn't super
valuable to just stream all your spots and get one
Fantasy point or something like that. But I still think
it leans Heinola to have defenseman who's scoring is boosted
and to be able to flex him up and down.
I would lean that way, Ryan, What do you think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're starting to convince me here, Victor. If I
was getting the idealized version of Heinola that we have
been waiting for years, it would be a little bit
of a different story for me. I think people know
who have listened to this podcast, Give me the scoring
defenseman who drives play any day in any trade. I'm
very excited to get that type of player. I'm afraid
that the funnel might have collapsed a little bit on
him due to his injury history. But you do make
a good point. He's only been able to get into
thirty five NHL games. He's missed this time. He's only
he's going to turn twenty four shortly. But there's a
lot of great NHL defensemen in the past who have
only gotten into thirty five NHL games before their twenty
fourth birthday. It's not like this guy was, you know,
supposed to be Cale mccarr or something at age eighteen,
age nineteen. I'm happy to wait a little while longer.
I just think for me, thinking about the team Dynamics
in Ottawa and thinking about how they're going through their
annual November scuffle, I wonder if there's going to be
a shake up at the center position, you know. I
wonder if perhaps they will move on from Josh Norris,
if he will maybe find an address elsewhere and move
really greg up the lineup. And in that case, I'd
be very excited to have what could be a solid
middle sixth center in Ottawa with upside to play with
guys like Jiu Bathson, and I would expect that two
point nine fantasy points per game to go up in
that case. And so I think for me right now,
just given my hesitations about he Nola's injury history, I
think I probably would lean to Ridley Grieg. But I
understand how Mason could identify this as a win, especially
since Josh had a surplus of this kind of forward
in his minors pool. So it makes sense. And good
job guys on getting this one done. Onto another trade
featuring Mason as we talked about earlier, and featuring Tidy
Kokomish Kraftster who if you didn't listen to Crafters Corner
Craft SER's Corner a couple of weeks ago. You're really
missing out. Check it out. It was an excellent episode
of this podcast. Lots of great insight there. Craftster, in
this case, acquired a current favorite player of mine, Jackson Blake,
son of Jason who played for a short time with
the Toronto maple Leiefson who I enjoyed playing NHL two
thousand and five with, certainly, and we also have Mason
acquiring Sashaboavre from Craftser in return for Jackson Blake. Two
smart guys here with lots to say about these deals,
so let's get to it. I'll start with Kraftser this time,
since we've heard a lot from Mason so far on
this episode. Kraftzer, like me, is a total sucker for bloodlines.
Boavert fell a good bit and was the obvious ADP
choice in the draft. Mason was one of two gms
that reached out after he picked him. He felt bold
enough to seek a farm guy with potential to get
NHL games to feed him games played. He favored Blake
over Jaden Peran to get that last Carolina spot based
upon age, and we know that the Hurricanes have a
preference to let guys bake a bit Kraftzer will admit
he didn't expect quite this great start from Jackson Blake,
but he does like Boavert long term in Chicago, given
his unique skill set compared to most of their pool.
Speaker 3: I e.
Speaker 4: Win Mason had this to say, saying that he reacted
a bit more with this trade than he normally would,
that he had traded all of his picks to move
up into the top ten of the draft and wasn't
really paying attention because he hadn't planned on picking again.
When he checked in the third round and noticed that
Boavert was still on the board, he was in the
middle of offering a trade to Mark for that to
thirty third pick when he drafted Bavert, so it seemed
logical that he would just continue down that path and
get to get that trade offered for Boavert. They went
back and forth on equal value prospect on team on
their teams and landed on Jackson Blake. Mason says this,
and this is something I do as well. I don't
know if you do this, Victor, maybe you can enlighten
us a little bit into how you manage your teams.
But every time Mason makes a trade in a dynasty league,
he writes a quick snippet in his notes so he
can look back and wonder what the hell he was thinking.
Here's the quote from this trade, Baver slid in the draft.
I need some young blood and figured Blake was expendable
enough could regret this as he's got a good shot
at making the canes and BOYD does that sum it up.
Mason is actually a huge fan of Blake. His PNHL
e jectory is a thing of beauty. It boiled down
to him having a handful of prospect forwards, all on
similar timelines, and made one expendable. He doesn't think that
Boavert has the offensive upside that Blake has, but his
peripheral for and the potential for growth. You win some,
you'll lose some. According to Mason, two young stud athletes
here Victor from strong athletic bloodlines, Blavet's dad being a boxer,
and of course Jason Blake being involved here with his
son Jackson one a little bit farther along in Jackson Blake.
But it's an interesting trade. What are your thoughts on
Boavert versus Blake?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I love it. I love both of their descriptions
and what a great trade. I do not do what
Mason does. I think that's great. I think it's always
good to write something down. I feel like I typically
remember or at least have some idea of oh, I
didn't think this guy would be as good, or I
had too many centers, so I feel like usually I
can remember that. But I think it's probably a good practice,
and I would I will definitely consider doing that. I
think anyone would benefit from that hindsight of what was
I thinking. And as you said, it pretty much summed
up exactly what's happening now because Blake is doing really
well for the Hurricanes, and I actually just wrote about
him for EP ring side that is going to be
on a X Gamers coming up in the future, and
I definitely am a bit surprised. Though I thought Blake
was good, I thought he had a chance as well,
but I thought it would be Bradley Nadeau, just because
he had a specific skill set that I thought that
they could really use. But in hindsight, it makes sense
because Blake is more than just a shot. He is
a really smart, intelligent player, and he can adapt to
lots of different styles. I'm not sure that Bradley Nadeau
is that player, and just knowing and thinking now what
Rod Brindemore favors. I think he favors the more versatile players,
and you look a lot of the guys on that team,
they probably don't have that just stand in one spot
and snipe kind of guy. For a reason. I think
that's probably not what he wants. I think he wants
guys that have lots of different talents. All we could
all argue is to whether they need that. I think
that they do. I think that they need more finishers
on that team, and I think that might push him
over the hump, but that's a discussion for a different day.
I definitely what Blake has been doing, and as Mason said,
the PNHL has been a thing of beauty, except ignore
what's happening this season because it looks like his PNHL
Jackson Blake's has taken a nose diive. But that's really
just because he went from incredible production in the NCAA
to playing more sheltered, more minimal role in the NHL,
which is a big jump, and I think he's handling
it fantastically. But the PNHLA looks like it's regressed, and
that's just not exactly true. I'm sure Mason would say
that too, so just ignore that. And I think his
upside is still really incredible, and I think it might
even be more than what it was previously, just because
he's transitioning so well and looking not at all out
of place through his first twenty one NHL games. Very impressive. Yeah,
and Bovert, I like Bolvert. He's got a pretty good,
pretty solid floor, pretty good upside. I think he's someone
who has the edge in terms of peripherals. I pulled
up the Fantasy Hockey Life player cards for these two
and you can see that Barbert has a nine out
of ten for all bash. His shots and hits are
particularly good, and even his blocks are decent, whereas Blake
is really just more of a shooter. The hits and
blocks aren't so much. He has a bit of a
smaller player and Barbert is not, so that might be
that you have more of a floor there for Barbert.
I'm not sure how long the wait is. It might
be another couple of years, and that weight time can
be pretty nice in terms of accelerating that. I definitely
it's easy to say now which you would prefer because
you can see what's happening. But I like to think
I would have still said Blake in the preseason because
I was really high on him. I was really high
on what he did in North Dakota. I think people
forget he was a Hobe Baker finalist, and I think
everyone was talking about Denver and they were talking about
Boston College and people were really forgetting about North Dakota.
But he was awesome and he was really everything for
that team. Yeah, I definitely would certainly rather have Blake
in terms of being able to flex him up and
down into my lineup right now, even though it's he's
pretty much only providing three Fantasy points, which is like
below replacement level, but if it's someone you can flex
into your lineup and get an off day game or
get an extra game. I actually have him in another
league with a similar format, and it's been really nice
to be able to flex him in and get those
extra points. So yeah, that's how I see it. Ryan,
what do you think?
Speaker 4: I'm really glad you brought up No Dak because both
of these players were No. Dak commits and have played
on that team. Sasha Boavert has had a really nice
start to his college career in North Dakota and I
think he's got a lot to offer from a two
way perspective and has a great chance of being a solid,
defensively responsible, shooting second line center if he hits all
his measurables. That kind of player doesn't grow on trees,
and I can think of several NHL teams that would
do unspeakable things for a player like that if he
grades out as I expect him to. But on the
other hand, and you have to hand it to Jackson Blake,
who really popped off in college before making his NHL
debut with the Canes this year, and I personally think
that if you have a father who played in the NHL,
that's a plus on your record for me because you
have someone who you can call at the end of
every game and say, what am I doing here? Am
I what are you seeing here in my game? And
with the kind of offensive upside or the offensive skill
and flare that Jason Blake showed in his career, I
love that Jackson can can call that guy at the
end of every game. For an analysis, Jackson can score
and has a good vision on the ice, and in
the Carolina system, he could as equally end up on
the second line as he could in the fourth line.
They've made Eric Robinson into a fantasy hold, and I
think anything can happen in Carolina, especially with all of
these prospects that are grading up very similarly. This is
the kind of trade where it really depends on what
you need on your team and is what makes it
a perfect one for one. I think sixty percent of
the time I'd lean to the Boivert archetype, But if
I was a team trying to win now, I would
make the play for Blake and be happy that I
can get some scoring from those minors swing games, especially
since he's had such a great start to the season here.
So I think I probably lean Blavet, but I would
be very happy making that play for Blake. I think
long term, you'll be happy with either of these players.
Just keep your fingers crossed for Bavert as he progresses
through the funnel. The last trade here before we take
a short break, has a few more moving pieces. We're
not quite in the one for one world anymore here, Victor.
This provides a really fascinating look into the current perceived
value of a recently highly touted first round pick. So
let's get right into it here. With a trade from
Tidy Yager. We have JB, who we've mentioned a lot
on this show in the past, a very active trader
in the Yoger division, trading for acquiring David Peran, Nikolai
Covalenko and Jonathan Drew and so a couple of Colorado
middle sixers and a veteran on the Ottawa Senators. There
from Blame who acquires Kent Johnson. Very exciting first round
pick here with pedigree and an even more exciting player
for me at least, Daniela Yurov. So we have Johnson
and euro for Piran, Covalenco and Drew Ann. JB had
this to say, It started with the fact that I
wanted a piece of Colorado. With Nachuscan and the assistance
program at this time and the injuries to Lekkanen, these
players had a bit more of a prominent role at
the time. We weren't even sure that Natchushkin would even
play again for them. He says this about Kent Johnson,
that he's thrown the towel in because he is injury
prone and has a low bash expectations. Sometimes you need
to let go of players, and this was the time
for him. To let go of Johnson. He had a
lot of prospects, maybe too many of them, and is
looking for NHL ready guys to hopefully make the leap
out of the yogurt division and decides that Peran, Covalenco,
and Drew Anne are all playing now. When it comes
to Colorado, he thinks that Covalenco could have played a
big role there. He thought it could have been a
home run and a move that paid off, and admits
that it didn't go well so far, but never know.
The price asked for Covalenco from Blame was Eurov or Lekarimachi,
both very exciting players. He really likes what he saw
from Lekarimachi at the World Juniors, so for him, it
was Yurov that needed to go and that Covalenco was
the target in this trade. Blame had this to say
with guys that come out of nowhere and have big years,
that he's pretty quick to move off of them if
he doesn't like what he sees that much, and cites
Drew Ann as one of those guys being really dependent
on his line. With McKinnon, Covalenco is a similar case
that he had some hype for producing in the KHL,
but he didn't know how that would translate to the NHL.
Puran being on a new team, you never know. All
that said, Blame's team was competitive and was aging, so
moving these guys for a young guy drafted high in
the organization on a show me contract like Kent Johnson
felt like the right move. He has the upside to
be the best player in the trade. Yurov seemed to
be a bit of a throw in prospect here. Interested
to see him develop, but he has a unique profile
and something that might be missing for the wild To me, Victory,
this looks like some Colorado middle sixers and a veteran
fourth liner for Kent Johnson and Daniela Europ. This one
seems a little easy to me. But what am I missing, Victor?
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that you sing anything quite frankly. I
do think it comes down to Johnson versus Duran, mostly
for this season down the road, I can definitely see
the upside of Eurov over Covalenko, and I think Purana
is basically just a placeholder. I don't think he's too
relevant here to the discussion. It really just seems like
a now move versus versus a little bit of a
later move. Even though Ken Johnson is scoring more than
those guys right now. I can definitely understand where je
is coming from in terms of getting rid of Johnson
because he, although is doing great right now, he can
give you nothing. He can just go completely cold. And
when Ken Johnson is cold, you get no points, you
get no priffs, you get no nothing, and it's extremely frustrating.
I personally don't like those types of players. I tend
to like players who at least give you more of
a solid floor with upside for points. I do happen
to have Johnson in one league, and yeah, it's great.
I'm really happy when he's doing stuff, and when he's not,
I just want to tear whatever hair I have out left.
So that's really frustrating. So I get the sentiment, but
I do think that there's a little bit lower upside
with some security, some security that you get from Drewman.
But I totally agree that you also are pretty line dependent.
I think unless Colorado makes a big trade to bring
in some other talent, which I think might be a
little bit hard to do, I think Drewan is going
to continue to be one of their best options. So
I'm not sure that his downside is as low as
it maybe has been in the past. I think he's
going to continue to get pretty decent deployment, even if
it's not amazing. So yeah, that's how I see that.
I think that Johnson is probably running a little bit hot.
I found it interesting though, that his second worst outing
of the season is just around Duran's average, which is hilarious,
thinking that he could certainly do much. He could certainly
do worse than he's doing now, but so far it
hasn't been. It's been about similar to what Duran's been doing,
and it seems that I don't know, Colin Thumbus also
seems very weird. They seem to go through these spells
where they just score in bunches, and so I don't
know if they can continue to be consistent with that.
And if they can, then Kent Johnson is certainly going
to be someone that you're going to want, I think
a bit more than Jonathan Drew Ane.
Speaker 4: What do you think, Ryan, The way JB laid this
out looks to me like it was Piran and Drew
Anne for Kent Johnson and Covalenco for Year Off. And
I think When you break it down like that, it
becomes clear to me that I want the Kent Johnson side.
Johnson is only still twenty two years old and actually
recently made his return from injury and is maintaining one
hundred and twenty point pace this season. You mentioned Columbus
has had some struggles to remain consistent, but I think
there's something of truth there with Kent Johnson. I understand
JB wanting to move off of Kent Johnson, perhaps thinking
about him as part of the previous management teams regime,
not a favorite of the previous regime. Here, with a
new general manager and a new coach in Waddell and Evison,
comes a renewed opportunity here for Johnson, and I think
there's still a lot of hope for this player and
he's going to get a huge opportunity in Columbus to
try and become what we all thought he could be
when he was dishing. Itto Beniers in Bresaw at Michigan.
I don't know if Johnson would be the one I
would have moved off of if I had a surplus
of prospect like JB said he had, Since he still
has top line potential and is currently really living up
to that. As the beginning of this season progresses, add
Yurov into that equation, who outperformed Covileenco last year in
the KHL as a nineteen year old player looks to
have real top line potential in Minnesota, it's no contest
for me. And no matter where you are in the
winning cycle, give me Johnson and you're off. And Victor,
maybe I'm drinking the Jesse Severe kool aid here, but
I really like Yourov.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Does he have Caprizov like upside or are we looking
at more of a coval Anko plus type.
Speaker 3: As with most answers, I think the truth is probably
somewhere in between, which is very boring, but I think
that it's true and I was I wrote about a
year off last spring for EP rings Side and one
of the things that I found out when I was
looking into this, which isn't always so obvious, is that
he had a really big explosion in points last season,
which a lot of people probably noticed. Forty nine points
and sixty two games for Magnetigorsk, who I believe they
were the KHL champs and he was awesome for them.
That's a huge point total. And when you actually dig
into it, he had the seventh most ice time of
any of the forwards, which makes absolutely no sense because
he led them in points and was getting so little
ice time. It's baffling and you wonder what the coach
is thinking. In fact, Nikita Bryankan was second, and he
had eight fewer points and five more games. To do
that in the opportunity that you're off was getting even
though he was leading points was absolutely absurd. And but
we've seen this. Euroff has said that he is leaving
the KHL for the while after this season. He said
that last season, and often when players do that, they
get minimal opportunity, they get pushed down the lineup, and
so that's not terribly surprising that happened. I think it's
also interesting this season it has gotten worse. He has
the tenth most ice time of any Metal Art Magnetigores forward.
He has twelve points and twenty three games, so he's
just over that half point per game mark. He's not
currently leading the team in points, but he also has
played quite a bit fewer games than the rest of
the players. He's only six behind and the leading score
has nine more games, so he's still doing quite well
even though he's getting very little opportunity, and I think
he's great. I think he's more of that complimentary player.
He's a facilitator. He's someone that can work well with
the other talented players that they have. Boldie's really breaking out,
coming into his own. Caprisov's obviously a superstar. They have
a favor and some other guys there. I think, and
Rossi really coming into his own. I could see him
working really well and facilitating with some of those guys.
In many ways, he's like a more of a Boldie Mold.
I would say that he's a really good complimentary player,
although Boldie is making a case to be more of
a star. So I think he's a You're off is
in that vein, but a little bit step down. I
don't think he's going to hit capriceof highs, but I
also think he's much better than a cobal Aenco type.
And yeah, I think he's I think we maybe should
drink a little bit more You're Off kool aid.
Speaker 4: I suppose you're right that to hit the Caprizov upside
there probably wouldn't need to be there would need to
be not a Caprizov in your way to do that,
and there's maybe some opportunity in Minnesota, but not a
whole lot there when you think about it, could be
a really interesting piece for them for sure. Thanks for that, Victor.
We'll take a quick break and be right back with
a few consolidation trades for your consideration. You're listening to
Tidy Takes.
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It's still gonna be there. When you've sat jump one
taking coast to coast, dronking for you're still shot bad donce.
That's a good breakaway. I get the bats boys.
Speaker 4: Welcome back to Tidy Takes. And now we're talking about
consolidation and to pro players, which has been a topic
of conversation in the past on this podcast. We have
a very interesting trade here in Lidstrom from two first
year Tidy managers edm Oiler thirteen and Colalby, who is
I think currently in first place in Lidstrom with a
very impressive season so far. The edm Oiler thirteen team
acquires Carter Yakumchuk, defensive aspect for the Ottawa Senators and
left wing for the Saint Louis Blues Dylan Holloway in
exchange for Mike Matheson of the Montreal Canadians. Very interesting
pro players here with Holloway and Matheson and in an
exciting young de prospect for Ottawa. We didn't hear from
edm Oiler thirteen, but Colalby had this to say about
the deal, stating that the weakest part of his team
were defenceman, figuring he needed to upgrade if he had
any chance of winning. Yakimchuk will be a stud, but
he's four to five years away. Put a pin in
that thought, and that he's useless in this type of
league where he's trying to move up tears. Holloway may
also be good, but is replaceable and was aging out
of the farm team and was going to be less
useful this year for him. This is my thoughts now.
I think Yakimchuk has been an interesting topic of conversation,
along with the entire complement of high skill offensive defenseman
near the top of the twenty twenty four draft. I'm
thinking of guys like Perek Boo, Yam, Sam Dickinson. I
remember you expressing that Yakamchuck went a little higher than
you thought just because his defensive game needs some work.
Is he more of a riverboat gambler or more of
that top blind powerplay stud who can just defend well
enough to get the ice time. I guess this deal
depends on what type of defenseman you think Yakamchuk is.
So where do you land on him, Victor?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think I've changed my opinion too much,
but it was interesting to see him do so well
in the Senator's camp and preseason, even he was turning
some head. There's no question he has some skill. I
think some people were even comparing him to Eric Carlson,
which is certainly a bit unfair to the young man,
I would say. But on the other hand, I think
the similarities are there in the sense that he is
a very exciting offensive defenseman. He's someone who is not
risk averse. He takes a lot of chances, he makes
a lot of things happen, and both good and bad.
And I think as you look at someone like at
Carlson who has learned at least a little bit to
mitigate some of those risks, and who has learned to
be a little bit better defensively and knowing when to
challenge and when to be a little bit more conservative,
and I think Gakamchuk will learn that. And I think
if you can learn that, he's probably going to be
able to learn to defend well enough, and that's going
to make him a very exciting player. It seems that
he was much further along, at least in some of
those aspects than I thought. It also makes sense he's
the September twenty ninth birthday, so he's he was eighteen
all of last year. He'll be nineteen all of this
year pretty much, and being a little bit older, being
very physically mature, he's already a really big, strong kid.
He could make the jump a little bit earlier. But yeah,
I think that there's a lot of there's a lot
of there's some risks there in my mind, just in
the sense that is he going to be someone who
plays as a top four defenseman, because if he's more
of a Tyson Barry type, then that's not as exciting
as when Eric Carlson obviously, So I think the truth
is probably somewhere in between there. And it also depends
on how much the senators love him, because if they
love him and don't care about some of those risks
and want to try to cover up some of those mistakes,
pair him with a really good defensive partner and give
him the opportunity to learn on the job and flesh
that out. Then you're going to be happy with the production.
But if they treat him with kid gloves and they
try to bring him along really slowly, playing him a
lot in the HL which might be better for his
long term development, you're not going to be happy about that,
and it's going to take a lot longer and it
might be a little bit frustrating. So those are all
some things that I think about in my head. But
I think he's a very exciting prospect in terms of
what's going to come in the future. Right now, I
think it's pretty clear that Mike Matheson is a pretty
exciting player, and he's someone who's going to give you
a lot more points, and I would definitely want that
side if I'm pushing my chips in and trying to
move out of the listrom division. So that makes a
lot of sense. But it also makes sense to maybe
move off of Matheson because as good as he's been
the last season or two, I do think he has
an expiration date right He had there's other players that
are coming. He hasn't held this role for a long time.
How many other teams could he hold this on I'm
not sure, and so I think his upside for the
next season or two is probably muted a little bit
as his role evolves and changes. So I get this
one from both sides, and I like that the high
vote there, or at least tied with the high vote
is even because it makes a lot of sense to me,
don't you think?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think this is another this is gonna win
for sure when it comes to Carter Yakamchuk. I also
think that Eric Carlson comparison is a little unfair and
probably more of a vestige of Ottawa Senators fans coping
with the fact that their management team has once again
made a reach pick, especially when you have guys like
Buyum and Perez still on the board. I do Carter Yakhamchuk.
I know there's some guys in his way in Ottawa,
and that one of those guys is likely one of
the top five U twenty four defensemen in the world
right now in Jake Sanderson. But a guy with yakham
Chuck's a combination of quiet confidence toughness and scoring touch
doesn't come along every day. The Outawa blue line might
finally be able to excize some of the weaker veteran
options they've employed in the last few years. I'm looking
at you, Travis Haminik, and that might happen as soon
as next season. Getting a high compete forward with skill
like Holloway seals the deal for me, especially when you
consider that Matheson, while a serviceable fantasy asset, is a
top twenty Fantasy d is likely to face some internal
competition from Lane Hudson for his power play time imminently,
and there's other options.
Speaker 3: On that blue line.
Speaker 4: We're recording this on Wednesday, November twenty seventh, and Jayden
Struble had a goal last night for Ottawa or for Montreal,
I should say so. There's a lot of options in Montreal,
and like you said, Matheson is going to have an
expiration date that might come as soon as next season.
If I'm trying to win like I am in Lord Stanley,
this deal is not happening, but I understand it. In Lidstrom,
I would rather have I think Yakamchuck's age nineteen to
twenty two years than Matheson's age thirty to thirty three years,
especially if Yakamchuck can contribute enough as a sub one
hundred game played player to be worth swapping up and
down from your miners. Andy's right handed victor, So that
seals it for me for another two for one here.
But with some really exciting pieces here, we got some
top fantasy assets moving in this trade. In Tidy Gretzky,
the Portland Pirates acquire a current favorite defenseman of mine
for the Detroit Red Wings Simo and Edvinson, I love
this guy. Oh my god, I'm so excited we get
to talk about him here, and right wing top prospect
for the Montreal Canadians Ivan Demidov from one if byrom
to if byfield Fred acquiring center Joel Eriksson Eck, who
is a great fantasy asset. So we have a lot
of context here from the two managers. We'll start with
Fred here saying that his team was finally in a
position to make this type of trade to acquire ericson k.
He believes he gave up a lot. Both players look
like rising talent and should be in the NHL for
a long time. But Joel Ericson K is a multistat filler,
the type of player that everyone covets in this kind
of league, and while he believes that Demodov may end
up being the best player, it's worth the gamble to
get Joel Erikson Ek right now. He also says that
he actually offered a different player we'll get into that,
Maki samus Kavich, but that Edvonson was the second piece
added to seal the deal. The Portland Pirates have this
to say that the player that one if Byron had
floated initially was Maki Samuskavich instead of Simon. Edvinson not
really interested in that player, so he thought he would
counter high with Edvinson and see if that they could
meet in the middle. Fortunately for the Portland Pirates, he
accepted the counter and he ended up with Edvonson. He
said he would normally not trade someone like Joel Lyrics
Andek in their prime, but that the prospect of Demodov
and Edvonson having the potential to get pretty close to
his floor in the next couple of seasons sealed it
for him. This league is very unique, and knowing that
his team is still a couple of years away from
truly competing made him able to bite the bullet and
sell high on Joel Erikson Eck. If there were more
teams that would be relegated each year of the current
team in the basement was closer to competing, he might
not have made this move, but feels good enough to
not be relegated while waiting for his talent to develop.
Given the league dynamics in Gretzky, He's very high on
Demodov and can't wait for him to come over next
year and potentially have a Mitchkov like impact. Lots of
really exciting pieces here, Victor, a potential future top line
winger as soon as next year, a current top pairing defenseman,
and Simon Edvnson and perhaps the best category filler in
hockey today. Where do you even begin?
Speaker 3: I think you begin by just loving and appreciating that
this trade even happened, because I think it's great. A
good job on both these guys, and as Red said,
I definitely think he gave up a lot and he
knew that. I think one guy, Brad, clearly gets the
better asset right now, and that's the lyrics and k
but I think the other guy clearly gets the best
long term package. Jeko Lyrics and K is one of
those do it all centers. It's a really high floor
guy you can rely on that you can set him
and forget it, because it's unlikely that anyone is going
to unless you have three other amazing centers, which why
would you do that deal if you did. So, you
have someone who's pretty much just going to stick in
your lineup and give you solid production. I'm not sure
that the Jeeke sticks with caprisof long term, but he's
been there for a bit now, and I think that
even without him, he gives you super solid floor, and
with him he gives you the upside to be much
more five six, seven fantasy points per game, maybe even
more at times, and so that's pretty fantastic consistent value.
So I get that. And there is no Skeeter position
in the tidy, so you are limited to your center
left being right wing and dspot and so sometimes you
can have the guys that have multiple positions are obviously helpful,
but sometimes I actually find that I struggle with the
center spot having someone that's going to give you that
really consistent, high end value. So I don't mind that
at all, but I think I clearly I'm going to
favor the Edmonds inside pretty easily here because that is
a premium position. It's hard to get guys that have
really good points point production there, and in the past
Edmondson had been a really big basher. I think as
he's broken into the NHL, he has had more attention
to detail, to his positioning and to being really solid defensively,
and so he hasn't The bash numbers have slowly been
cropped climbing, but they are getting there, and I think
once they get there, he is going to be just
an absolute gem. He was like that in the SHL.
His minutes are climbing. You look at his game log
and it's creeping up and up. Starting from nineteen minutes,
he's had twenty twenty three minute games and he's just
looked great. You see the confidence, you see all the
fantastic tools that he has. The guy is huge. He's
a fantastic skater, he's physical, he's all the things you
really want except maybe being right handed if you really
wanted a dream defenseman, but nothing you do about that.
He's really great and I think that the value could
even go up here. And I think that the fact
that they're close Edmonton at three point eight nine fantasy
points I just updated that on the most recent game
and eul Lyrickson at three point seventy six, so they're
less than a point apart, and you get that premium
position plus we have. I haven't even mentioned the fact
that you get Ivan Demidov, who could be the best
player in this entire trade, which I think is pretty
hard to ignore. And it sure sounds like he's going
to come over next season and he could step right
into the ABS lineup and just be an absolute beast.
He you were talking about capries soft cups. I certainly
think Demodov has that type of upside. I think he
could be at seven to eight fantasy points per game
type player even more, and I think that he could
he can end up stealing the deal, and so this
is one of those trades where I don't think you
give up that much in terms of this year. I
think you could still be competitive. I think Portland Pirates
could still confidently say that they could still compete for
the top spot by giving up Eulriksink and depending on
what other centers they had and getting Edvonson. But I
think positions them next year also to be even more competitive,
and so I really like that. It'd be hard. It'd
be hard for me not to smash, except if someone
offered me Edvonson and Demodov, even for someone better, I
would say than Eolrics andk Ryan.
Speaker 4: Do any think, Yeah, I don't think Fred will mind
us talking about this a bit more, because he says
he knows what he gave up and that he was
in the position to make this kind of deal. And
certainly he has a lot of young talent in the minors,
so he's not It's not like he's estimating his minor
pool here by getting rid of Edvanson a Demodov. But
I thought the same thing at first, Blush that this
trade was a little lopsided, with two premium A plus
assets going one way and only one A plus asset
going the other way. I understand it. Rik Sinek is
in his prime as an NHL center, contributes in multiple
scoring categories, and seems to play with Kaprizov most of
the time, which we couldn't say that in previous seasons.
Looks like he's getting the prioritization of playing with Kaprizov
right now, which makes it a bit more even and
a good example of him win for these two teams.
I could I wrote this in my notes and you
said it first, and I'm going to echo it. I
could see Demodov putting up similar results to Kaprizov and
Mitchkov when he eventually comes over, and Edvonson is already
proving himself as a top pairing defenseman, riding shotgun with
Mosider and playing the single most difficult minutes in the
entire NHL to start this season, because the rest of
that Detroit Red Wings blue line is woof horrible, horror awful,
just terrible. These guys Sharrat Hall go down the list.
It's a bunch of third pairing and seventh and eighth
defenseman types. I understand Lalan coaching for his job, putting
his two best players on the one pairing and just
telling them to suck it up. I think part of
that is probably why Edvonson's bashing ways have been down.
He's focused on gapping up and making sure that he
can stop some of the best players in the league
night after night. But I think the confidence that can
be gained from him playing those minutes and still maintaining
a half point a game pace in his first real
shot with the Detroit Red Wings is so exciting. This
kind of piece in Edvonson is really hard to find
in our league. It would be hard for us to
acquire him in Lord Stanley for instance. And then, yeah,
like you said, Demidov is the cherry on top. I
lean to the prospect side, as do you. Edvonson is
about even in our scoring system with Eric Sinek, but
it's closer than it appears when you consider Joel Erikson
X's consistency and ceiling. Give me the prospects here. But
I totally understan what Fred is doing and trying to
move up so he can play with the big boys
and Lord Stanley.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I absolutely, I love it. I love pushing your
chips in knowing you might lose long term, but if
you think it's going to help you now, I have
no problem with that. I have no problem. Do Do
you remember when this trade went down, because Edmson has
really been coming on lately.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was the twenty ninth trade of the season.
And if I look back here, this trade happened on
November third, so we're a couple of weeks out from
it now, and certainly Edmondson has really come on in
the past month, but he's been he was admired in
a bit of a cold streak at the time of
this deal and wasn't getting the same kind of deployment.
So I totally understand where Fred was coming from here.
But yeah, this happened on November third.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a good call there. He definitely Edmondson had very
few points during that time, if I'm kind of so,
he had four points in those roughly fifteen games or
so and twelve games maybe, So he was definitely not
coming on like Gangbusters. His time on ice was fluctuating
a bit. It was a bit lower, and it has
really skyrocketed since and we've seen some real highlight, real plays.
I have to look back. I think before that, before
the trade, they were using him on a separate pair,
and then more recently they've been using him with Cider,
and I think that's been giving him a lot more
opportunity and more upside. So yeah, it's one of those
things too where I think we were not trying to
criticize Fred or anything, but I think maybe there was
some different information too that he was using for that analysis,
and then it flipped after the trade, and so it
might make things look a little bit worse than it
actually was. But either way, I think that you have
to take all the information we have into account, and
he was trying to make his team better and I
think it still does. It's just maybe what's going to
happen from here, and if Edvinson really continues to break
out and increases is fancy points even more than it
might look a little bit lopsided for Fred. But either way,
I think it's a great trade. A lot of people
voted it even and I think it probably is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was going to bring up the trade voting.
We haven't mentioned it a whole lot in this episode
because frankly, a lot of the deals that we've talked
about today were judged by our tidy patriots as even
with the exception of the Hainola trade earlier on, which
has its own ecosystem of discussion topics around it, haven't
mentioned it a whole lot, but our tidy managers voted
this trade to be pretty even a good win now
for both of these teams looking to compete in this moment.
It's an exciting trade to talk about, and thanks to
these guys for making that trade and allowing us to
chat about it.
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