1 00:00:03,839 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life presented by fan Tracks. Here's 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:14,560 ship Quess, your source of information and analysis to help 3 00:00:14,599 --> 00:00:16,199 you win your fantasy hockey league. 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 2: Block Off has a step hit on Staylock. 5 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: Here's your hosts, Jesse Sevier and Victor Nuno. 6 00:00:26,359 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: Fantasy Hockey Life once again Jesse Severe of fan Tracks 7 00:00:30,399 --> 00:00:35,000 and Victor Nunyo of Epringside. Victor, this is normally where 8 00:00:35,039 --> 00:00:38,439 I ask how you are doing? But Victor, once again, 9 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,000 and by popular demand, it's the robot versions of us 10 00:00:42,079 --> 00:00:45,600 opening the show. So like, how is the electrical flow 11 00:00:45,679 --> 00:00:47,880 through your cybernetic brain or something? 12 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 3: Jesse, The flow is flowing. Well, that's right. Our recording 13 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,320 schedules have not matched up for the last couple of weeks, 14 00:00:54,399 --> 00:00:56,439 so we have had to do intros this way. I 15 00:00:56,479 --> 00:00:58,240 guess I don't mind it, even though it seems to 16 00:00:58,280 --> 00:00:59,759 horrify some of our listeners. 17 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true, it's true, Victor, but the singularity is 18 00:01:03,679 --> 00:01:06,879 not going to hold back our show no way. And 19 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,200 you know what, I think you could even hook robo 20 00:01:09,359 --> 00:01:12,799 Victor to our discord if someone asks a question in 21 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,040 there about some prospect, just hook the wires up to 22 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:20,359 the Fantasy HOCKEYLFE player cards or whatever and answer that way. 23 00:01:20,799 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 3: I'll have to think about that. But actually, Jesse, I 24 00:01:23,519 --> 00:01:25,599 kind of like popping in the discord and chatting with 25 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,359 our listeners. It's cool to have a community of people 26 00:01:28,359 --> 00:01:30,599 who just enjoy talking fantasy. 27 00:01:30,159 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 2: Hockey, oh for sure. And people can get into it 28 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,480 by hitting us up on social media orgmail dot com. 29 00:01:37,879 --> 00:01:41,799 Fantasyhockeylife at gmail dot com will get you a link 30 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,120 and that gets you all set up. It's good, wholesome, 31 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,120 free fantasy fun. But what there is more? 32 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 3: For sure, Jesse. There is a Patreon people can join 33 00:01:51,719 --> 00:01:53,799 to get a bunch of perks, like some more advanced 34 00:01:53,799 --> 00:01:57,239 prospect stats, including things like block shots and hits potential 35 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,480 that you won't find elsewhere. There are exclusive patron where 36 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,760 we answer questions, and a dedicated Patron channel on the Discord. 37 00:02:03,959 --> 00:02:05,719 I do a roster Doctor where I have an in 38 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,840 depth one on one video call with you to break 39 00:02:07,879 --> 00:02:10,400 down your entire roster. And there is more. Check out 40 00:02:10,439 --> 00:02:13,520 patrion dot com slash Fantasy Hockey Life. 41 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,439 Speaker 2: For sure, Victor. You know my favorite part of the 42 00:02:16,479 --> 00:02:19,520 AI intro is I could pretty much make you say 43 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,680 anything I want and you'd like probably never know. 44 00:02:23,319 --> 00:02:26,199 Speaker 3: That's a terrible idea, Jesse. How about we just get 45 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:27,520 to the episode. 46 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,759 Speaker 2: Oh find you spoil sport. Let's take a break and 47 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,599 you'll be here on the other side with Tidy Takes. 48 00:02:34,039 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 3: I ran and Spain falls mainly on the plane. Welcome back, 49 00:02:43,879 --> 00:02:47,319 and we are pleased to have another edition of Tidy Takes, 50 00:02:47,319 --> 00:02:49,400 which of course means we get to welcome in our 51 00:02:49,479 --> 00:02:51,280 tidy Admiral Ryan, my friend. 52 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 4: How you doing, Victor, I'm great, and I've got to 53 00:02:54,439 --> 00:02:56,919 say you sound like you have a bit more life, 54 00:02:57,039 --> 00:03:00,360 a bit more true to life authenticity than you'd in 55 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,319 the introduction, So I'm happy to be talking to the 56 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:04,479 genuine article. 57 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 3: Here meet more of the Hello. 58 00:03:07,759 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 4: We're excited to be back here with the Tidy Takes. 59 00:03:10,319 --> 00:03:12,400 And I think we've settled on a nice schedule here. 60 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,639 Every month or so, maybe a few more weeks after that, 61 00:03:16,039 --> 00:03:18,400 we'll go back and we'll review some of these trades. 62 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,159 And we've carried over a couple from earlier in the 63 00:03:21,199 --> 00:03:23,879 season that are very exciting to talk about here. And 64 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,000 these trades are one for one and there's a lot 65 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,000 of different kinds of Dynasty trades. We're going to talk 66 00:03:29,039 --> 00:03:31,479 about two different kinds here today, one for one trades 67 00:03:31,479 --> 00:03:34,719 and consolidation trades. We'll start with the one for ones. 68 00:03:34,879 --> 00:03:38,000 When the immortal words of Bob Mackenzie, these trades are 69 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,360 one for one. The players featuring in these trades are 70 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,919 all still young in their pro hockey journeys, with varying 71 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,800 levels of development left before they are fully formed NHL mainstays. 72 00:03:48,599 --> 00:03:50,840 As I mentioned, we left these trades off the previous 73 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,960 episode of Tidy Takes, even though they happened over the offseason, 74 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:55,960 because we felt it would be smart of us to 75 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,000 give these guys a month or two to get settled 76 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,280 into their situations, just to see how the development progresses 77 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,719 before we render judgment. The one constant for both of 78 00:04:05,719 --> 00:04:09,439 these one for one trades is Tidy. Lord Stanley manager 79 00:04:09,879 --> 00:04:13,479 Rank King Mason. Mason, in his comments to me about 80 00:04:13,479 --> 00:04:16,000 these trades had this to say, just to set them 81 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,160 both up. In Tidy, everyone has the same goals in mind. 82 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,160 Goal number one is avoid relegation and goal number two 83 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,920 is to build a contender, which means the most difficult 84 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,639 thing in Tidy is trying to identify these situations where 85 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,120 it's a win on both sides. This is a good 86 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:32,759 summary of what we want to talk about with these 87 00:04:32,759 --> 00:04:34,680 two trades, the idea of a win and victor. I 88 00:04:34,759 --> 00:04:37,879 know you are a proponent of a win in Dynasty. 89 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,519 Not only is it good trade etiquette, it's the way 90 00:04:40,519 --> 00:04:42,519 to get ahead in our league when nobody wants to 91 00:04:42,519 --> 00:04:46,199 take a step back, especially early in the season. With that, 92 00:04:46,519 --> 00:04:49,120 let's get into the first trade here, which was actually completed. 93 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,759 It's one of the earliest trades that happened in the offseason. 94 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,920 The second trade that happened in the entirety of the 95 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,639 tidy prior to our prospect drafts. Mason the Rank King 96 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:03,879 acquires dual winger Ridley Grieg of the Ottawa Senators from 97 00:05:03,879 --> 00:05:08,800 the Pittsburgh Mutant Turtles for d Villi Hainola, who is 98 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,120 a very interesting and exciting player, especially right now as 99 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,800 he's just made his season debut for Winnipeg after returning 100 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,240 from injury. We didn't hear back from Josh, the manager 101 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,959 of the Pittsburgh Mutant Turtles, but I had a detailed 102 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,480 conversation with Mason about this, and he had this to say. 103 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,759 I had a surplus of miners eligible defenseman, which made 104 00:05:28,759 --> 00:05:32,720 trading someone reasonable. Hanola fit the mold as someone that 105 00:05:32,759 --> 00:05:36,600 has legitimate NHL scoring potential, could be streamed for the Miners, 106 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,000 and was waivers eligible in real life, meaning he would 107 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,279 be guaranteed a roster spot with the Jets this season 108 00:05:41,759 --> 00:05:45,040 so they don't send him down. He figured that Hanla 109 00:05:45,079 --> 00:05:47,759 would have decent value because of these things, and goes 110 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,839 into a little bit more about Hanla, saying that last 111 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,879 season he made the team before getting injured at the 112 00:05:51,959 --> 00:05:54,519 end of training camp and missed a significant chunk of 113 00:05:54,519 --> 00:05:57,399 the season. Boy, that's deja vu again. For this year, 114 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,360 same thing happened, getting hurt in trading camp and making 115 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,800 his return in late November. His fantasy ranking has been 116 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,519 gradually declining since before the injuries, but that certainly hasn't 117 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,480 helped his case. On the flip side, Ridley Greeg is 118 00:06:10,519 --> 00:06:12,920 a guy that Mason is probably higher on compared to 119 00:06:12,959 --> 00:06:15,839 the consensus. He's shown a typical trajectory of a player 120 00:06:15,879 --> 00:06:18,240 that can slot up and down the lineup. Has displayed 121 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,680 an underrated offensive upside at bash peripherals that should give 122 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,360 Greeg a solid floor. Josh had a really strong draft 123 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,399 and built a solid roster after earning a spot in 124 00:06:27,439 --> 00:06:30,160 Lord Stanley this season, but he noticed that Josh didn't 125 00:06:30,199 --> 00:06:33,040 have any defensive prospects that could be streamed and had 126 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,079 logjam of minors forwards that were close to graduating Ridley 127 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:37,879 Greeg being one of them. So it seemed like a 128 00:06:37,879 --> 00:06:40,959 fit for both teams. Looking at this from the perspective 129 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,399 of win, what do you think, Victor, is it Grieg 130 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,839 or Hanola that comes out on top in this deal? 131 00:06:46,879 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, this was a really interesting one, right, Kudos to 132 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,720 Mason for identifying this win. I definitely think that is 133 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,839 a hard thing to do in Lord Stanley Division. As 134 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:58,199 he articulated, the incentives are quite different. It is a 135 00:06:58,199 --> 00:07:00,920 bit more like a deep redraft for like a keeper, 136 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,519 where you really can't mess around too much. You can't 137 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,439 necessarily you have to be careful about relegation, especially since 138 00:07:08,439 --> 00:07:11,800 there are three teams that go down during relegation. That 139 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,680 is not just an afterthought, It's something that is fairly 140 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,199 likely for a few teams, and so you've got to 141 00:07:18,199 --> 00:07:21,720 be really careful. And I think that the other thing 142 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,279 is that I really have liked Heinolah for a long time. 143 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,879 I thought that the Jets were a little harsh on 144 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,160 not giving him more of an opportunity. And then, of course, 145 00:07:29,199 --> 00:07:32,600 as outlined, the injuries have really hurt his chances. It 146 00:07:32,639 --> 00:07:36,639 was so awesome to see him make his debut. He 147 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,040 didn't play that much, only twelve minutes. Ease him in, 148 00:07:39,279 --> 00:07:41,399 don't throw him to the Wolves. And the nice thing 149 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,920 is that the team is so good that they can 150 00:07:43,959 --> 00:07:46,160 shelter him a little bit, but he can also contribute, 151 00:07:46,519 --> 00:07:49,160 which I think is really nice. You had that broken 152 00:07:49,199 --> 00:07:51,920 ankle he had last season at the end the preseason, 153 00:07:51,959 --> 00:07:54,000 after he was looking so good. I was so excited 154 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,199 about him. Then had surgery. Look good in the AHL, 155 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,199 the screw got infected, which was just It sounds like 156 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,519 it's been a really horrible situation for him, but hopefully 157 00:08:03,639 --> 00:08:06,519 things are turning around. Hopefully his break is finally coming 158 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,879 and that he can realize his full potential. I think 159 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,560 that it looks like he can just looking at their 160 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,680 depth chart being such a good team, that might be 161 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,480 difficult for Heinola, but Hayden Flurry, I think Heinola can 162 00:08:19,519 --> 00:08:22,160 be better than Hayden Flury. And I know that Dylan 163 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,959 Samberg has been there too, and I think he might 164 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,000 be injured. Anyways, I just hope the kid gets a 165 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,199 shot because I think he's actually pretty good. I think 166 00:08:30,279 --> 00:08:33,039 he just hasn't necessarily gotten the full shot, and so 167 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,159 the fact that this is happening now hindsight, but it 168 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,799 definitely looks better for the Heinola GM, and so I 169 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,480 would lean that way. I think Mason is a little 170 00:08:44,519 --> 00:08:46,480 higher on Greed than I am. I see the appeal, 171 00:08:46,519 --> 00:08:49,200 though the currently when I look this up, two point 172 00:08:49,279 --> 00:08:53,519 nine Fantasy points per game is pretty below replacement level, 173 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,279 so that's not super exciting. Maybe he can turn that around. 174 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,960 He has had some good deployment, and Greed does have 175 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,519 a pretty nice floor, so that can maybe be pretty decent. 176 00:09:03,639 --> 00:09:06,120 But I think at this point, I think it's pretty 177 00:09:06,159 --> 00:09:08,840 easy for me to say Heinola. When the trade was made, 178 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,840 I think that might have been a more difficult decision 179 00:09:11,879 --> 00:09:13,879 to make because we didn't know how much Heinola will 180 00:09:13,879 --> 00:09:15,519 be playing. We still don't know he might be in 181 00:09:15,519 --> 00:09:17,519 and out of the lineup. He might not play very much. 182 00:09:17,519 --> 00:09:20,639 He might have just one or two Fantasy points, which 183 00:09:20,759 --> 00:09:23,279 in a league that limits games played, that isn't super 184 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,919 valuable to just stream all your spots and get one 185 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,080 Fantasy point or something like that. But I still think 186 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,480 it leans Heinola to have defenseman who's scoring is boosted 187 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:33,320 and to be able to flex him up and down. 188 00:09:33,399 --> 00:09:35,240 I would lean that way, Ryan, What do you think. 189 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're starting to convince me here, Victor. If I 190 00:09:39,159 --> 00:09:42,080 was getting the idealized version of Heinola that we have 191 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,200 been waiting for years, it would be a little bit 192 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,240 of a different story for me. I think people know 193 00:09:47,279 --> 00:09:49,879 who have listened to this podcast, Give me the scoring 194 00:09:49,919 --> 00:09:53,279 defenseman who drives play any day in any trade. I'm 195 00:09:53,399 --> 00:09:56,120 very excited to get that type of player. I'm afraid 196 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,360 that the funnel might have collapsed a little bit on 197 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,240 him due to his injury history. But you do make 198 00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:03,159 a good point. He's only been able to get into 199 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,799 thirty five NHL games. He's missed this time. He's only 200 00:10:06,879 --> 00:10:09,200 he's going to turn twenty four shortly. But there's a 201 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,799 lot of great NHL defensemen in the past who have 202 00:10:11,919 --> 00:10:15,240 only gotten into thirty five NHL games before their twenty 203 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,879 fourth birthday. It's not like this guy was, you know, 204 00:10:17,919 --> 00:10:21,240 supposed to be Cale mccarr or something at age eighteen, 205 00:10:21,279 --> 00:10:24,120 age nineteen. I'm happy to wait a little while longer. 206 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,000 I just think for me, thinking about the team Dynamics 207 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,399 in Ottawa and thinking about how they're going through their 208 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,879 annual November scuffle, I wonder if there's going to be 209 00:10:32,919 --> 00:10:35,320 a shake up at the center position, you know. I 210 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,360 wonder if perhaps they will move on from Josh Norris, 211 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,840 if he will maybe find an address elsewhere and move 212 00:10:41,919 --> 00:10:44,320 really greg up the lineup. And in that case, I'd 213 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,600 be very excited to have what could be a solid 214 00:10:47,759 --> 00:10:50,480 middle sixth center in Ottawa with upside to play with 215 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:55,159 guys like Jiu Bathson, and I would expect that two 216 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,840 point nine fantasy points per game to go up in 217 00:10:57,879 --> 00:11:01,360 that case. And so I think for me right now, 218 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:06,200 just given my hesitations about he Nola's injury history, I 219 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,360 think I probably would lean to Ridley Grieg. But I 220 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,039 understand how Mason could identify this as a win, especially 221 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,200 since Josh had a surplus of this kind of forward 222 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,799 in his minors pool. So it makes sense. And good 223 00:11:18,919 --> 00:11:22,080 job guys on getting this one done. Onto another trade 224 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,720 featuring Mason as we talked about earlier, and featuring Tidy 225 00:11:25,799 --> 00:11:29,480 Kokomish Kraftster who if you didn't listen to Crafters Corner 226 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,120 Craft SER's Corner a couple of weeks ago. You're really 227 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,919 missing out. Check it out. It was an excellent episode 228 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,879 of this podcast. Lots of great insight there. Craftster, in 229 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:43,200 this case, acquired a current favorite player of mine, Jackson Blake, 230 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,279 son of Jason who played for a short time with 231 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,679 the Toronto maple Leiefson who I enjoyed playing NHL two 232 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,600 thousand and five with, certainly, and we also have Mason 233 00:11:52,639 --> 00:11:57,000 acquiring Sashaboavre from Craftser in return for Jackson Blake. Two 234 00:11:57,039 --> 00:11:59,440 smart guys here with lots to say about these deals, 235 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,600 so let's get to it. I'll start with Kraftser this time, 236 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,399 since we've heard a lot from Mason so far on 237 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,720 this episode. Kraftzer, like me, is a total sucker for bloodlines. 238 00:12:08,399 --> 00:12:10,960 Boavert fell a good bit and was the obvious ADP 239 00:12:11,159 --> 00:12:14,080 choice in the draft. Mason was one of two gms 240 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,799 that reached out after he picked him. He felt bold 241 00:12:16,879 --> 00:12:18,840 enough to seek a farm guy with potential to get 242 00:12:18,919 --> 00:12:23,200 NHL games to feed him games played. He favored Blake 243 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,600 over Jaden Peran to get that last Carolina spot based 244 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,399 upon age, and we know that the Hurricanes have a 245 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,200 preference to let guys bake a bit Kraftzer will admit 246 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,840 he didn't expect quite this great start from Jackson Blake, 247 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,960 but he does like Boavert long term in Chicago, given 248 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,799 his unique skill set compared to most of their pool. 249 00:12:42,039 --> 00:12:42,399 Speaker 3: I e. 250 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,399 Speaker 4: Win Mason had this to say, saying that he reacted 251 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,600 a bit more with this trade than he normally would, 252 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,759 that he had traded all of his picks to move 253 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,360 up into the top ten of the draft and wasn't 254 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,080 really paying attention because he hadn't planned on picking again. 255 00:12:55,799 --> 00:12:57,879 When he checked in the third round and noticed that 256 00:12:57,879 --> 00:12:59,879 Boavert was still on the board, he was in the 257 00:13:00,039 --> 00:13:02,399 middle of offering a trade to Mark for that to 258 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,600 thirty third pick when he drafted Bavert, so it seemed 259 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,919 logical that he would just continue down that path and 260 00:13:09,039 --> 00:13:12,159 get to get that trade offered for Boavert. They went 261 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,039 back and forth on equal value prospect on team on 262 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,879 their teams and landed on Jackson Blake. Mason says this, 263 00:13:18,919 --> 00:13:20,799 and this is something I do as well. I don't 264 00:13:20,799 --> 00:13:22,960 know if you do this, Victor, maybe you can enlighten 265 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,320 us a little bit into how you manage your teams. 266 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,519 But every time Mason makes a trade in a dynasty league, 267 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:30,919 he writes a quick snippet in his notes so he 268 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,360 can look back and wonder what the hell he was thinking. 269 00:13:33,799 --> 00:13:37,120 Here's the quote from this trade, Baver slid in the draft. 270 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,039 I need some young blood and figured Blake was expendable 271 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,639 enough could regret this as he's got a good shot 272 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,279 at making the canes and BOYD does that sum it up. 273 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,159 Mason is actually a huge fan of Blake. His PNHL 274 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,080 e jectory is a thing of beauty. It boiled down 275 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,440 to him having a handful of prospect forwards, all on 276 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,840 similar timelines, and made one expendable. He doesn't think that 277 00:13:56,879 --> 00:14:00,240 Boavert has the offensive upside that Blake has, but his 278 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,440 peripheral for and the potential for growth. You win some, 279 00:14:03,519 --> 00:14:07,200 you'll lose some. According to Mason, two young stud athletes 280 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,480 here Victor from strong athletic bloodlines, Blavet's dad being a boxer, 281 00:14:11,519 --> 00:14:14,399 and of course Jason Blake being involved here with his 282 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,879 son Jackson one a little bit farther along in Jackson Blake. 283 00:14:17,919 --> 00:14:20,279 But it's an interesting trade. What are your thoughts on 284 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:21,519 Boavert versus Blake? 285 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? I love it. I love both of their descriptions 286 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,559 and what a great trade. I do not do what 287 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,840 Mason does. I think that's great. I think it's always 288 00:14:33,879 --> 00:14:37,399 good to write something down. I feel like I typically 289 00:14:37,919 --> 00:14:40,240 remember or at least have some idea of oh, I 290 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,639 didn't think this guy would be as good, or I 291 00:14:43,679 --> 00:14:46,159 had too many centers, so I feel like usually I 292 00:14:46,159 --> 00:14:48,399 can remember that. But I think it's probably a good practice, 293 00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:51,879 and I would I will definitely consider doing that. I 294 00:14:51,919 --> 00:14:54,720 think anyone would benefit from that hindsight of what was 295 00:14:54,759 --> 00:14:57,480 I thinking. And as you said, it pretty much summed 296 00:14:57,559 --> 00:15:01,360 up exactly what's happening now because Blake is doing really 297 00:15:01,399 --> 00:15:04,159 well for the Hurricanes, and I actually just wrote about 298 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,799 him for EP ring side that is going to be 299 00:15:06,919 --> 00:15:10,360 on a X Gamers coming up in the future, and 300 00:15:10,679 --> 00:15:14,240 I definitely am a bit surprised. Though I thought Blake 301 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,039 was good, I thought he had a chance as well, 302 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,480 but I thought it would be Bradley Nadeau, just because 303 00:15:19,279 --> 00:15:21,240 he had a specific skill set that I thought that 304 00:15:21,279 --> 00:15:23,919 they could really use. But in hindsight, it makes sense 305 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,679 because Blake is more than just a shot. He is 306 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,840 a really smart, intelligent player, and he can adapt to 307 00:15:31,159 --> 00:15:34,600 lots of different styles. I'm not sure that Bradley Nadeau 308 00:15:35,039 --> 00:15:39,279 is that player, and just knowing and thinking now what 309 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,840 Rod Brindemore favors. I think he favors the more versatile players, 310 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,360 and you look a lot of the guys on that team, 311 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,480 they probably don't have that just stand in one spot 312 00:15:49,519 --> 00:15:51,519 and snipe kind of guy. For a reason. I think 313 00:15:51,519 --> 00:15:53,759 that's probably not what he wants. I think he wants 314 00:15:53,799 --> 00:15:55,960 guys that have lots of different talents. All we could 315 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,159 all argue is to whether they need that. I think 316 00:15:59,159 --> 00:16:01,279 that they do. I think that they need more finishers 317 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:02,799 on that team, and I think that might push him 318 00:16:02,799 --> 00:16:04,759 over the hump, but that's a discussion for a different day. 319 00:16:05,759 --> 00:16:09,360 I definitely what Blake has been doing, and as Mason said, 320 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,279 the PNHL has been a thing of beauty, except ignore 321 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,559 what's happening this season because it looks like his PNHL 322 00:16:15,799 --> 00:16:18,279 Jackson Blake's has taken a nose diive. But that's really 323 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,879 just because he went from incredible production in the NCAA 324 00:16:22,399 --> 00:16:26,639 to playing more sheltered, more minimal role in the NHL, 325 00:16:26,679 --> 00:16:28,600 which is a big jump, and I think he's handling 326 00:16:28,639 --> 00:16:31,720 it fantastically. But the PNHLA looks like it's regressed, and 327 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,840 that's just not exactly true. I'm sure Mason would say 328 00:16:34,879 --> 00:16:37,399 that too, so just ignore that. And I think his 329 00:16:37,519 --> 00:16:40,639 upside is still really incredible, and I think it might 330 00:16:40,679 --> 00:16:44,279 even be more than what it was previously, just because 331 00:16:44,399 --> 00:16:48,360 he's transitioning so well and looking not at all out 332 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,799 of place through his first twenty one NHL games. Very impressive. Yeah, 333 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,919 and Bovert, I like Bolvert. He's got a pretty good, 334 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,919 pretty solid floor, pretty good upside. I think he's someone 335 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,879 who has the edge in terms of peripherals. I pulled 336 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,160 up the Fantasy Hockey Life player cards for these two 337 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,480 and you can see that Barbert has a nine out 338 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,039 of ten for all bash. His shots and hits are 339 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,160 particularly good, and even his blocks are decent, whereas Blake 340 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,480 is really just more of a shooter. The hits and 341 00:17:16,519 --> 00:17:18,079 blocks aren't so much. He has a bit of a 342 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,240 smaller player and Barbert is not, so that might be 343 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,839 that you have more of a floor there for Barbert. 344 00:17:25,279 --> 00:17:27,400 I'm not sure how long the wait is. It might 345 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,000 be another couple of years, and that weight time can 346 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,039 be pretty nice in terms of accelerating that. I definitely 347 00:17:34,519 --> 00:17:36,960 it's easy to say now which you would prefer because 348 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,559 you can see what's happening. But I like to think 349 00:17:39,599 --> 00:17:42,599 I would have still said Blake in the preseason because 350 00:17:42,599 --> 00:17:44,519 I was really high on him. I was really high 351 00:17:44,559 --> 00:17:47,079 on what he did in North Dakota. I think people 352 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,480 forget he was a Hobe Baker finalist, and I think 353 00:17:50,599 --> 00:17:53,880 everyone was talking about Denver and they were talking about 354 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,519 Boston College and people were really forgetting about North Dakota. 355 00:17:56,559 --> 00:17:59,599 But he was awesome and he was really everything for 356 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,920 that team. Yeah, I definitely would certainly rather have Blake 357 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:04,640 in terms of being able to flex him up and 358 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,039 down into my lineup right now, even though it's he's 359 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,519 pretty much only providing three Fantasy points, which is like 360 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,200 below replacement level, but if it's someone you can flex 361 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,720 into your lineup and get an off day game or 362 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,680 get an extra game. I actually have him in another 363 00:18:19,799 --> 00:18:22,279 league with a similar format, and it's been really nice 364 00:18:22,319 --> 00:18:24,000 to be able to flex him in and get those 365 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,240 extra points. So yeah, that's how I see it. Ryan, 366 00:18:27,279 --> 00:18:27,759 what do you think? 367 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 4: I'm really glad you brought up No Dak because both 368 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,519 of these players were No. Dak commits and have played 369 00:18:34,559 --> 00:18:37,599 on that team. Sasha Boavert has had a really nice 370 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,160 start to his college career in North Dakota and I 371 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:41,839 think he's got a lot to offer from a two 372 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,680 way perspective and has a great chance of being a solid, 373 00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:48,880 defensively responsible, shooting second line center if he hits all 374 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,200 his measurables. That kind of player doesn't grow on trees, 375 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,480 and I can think of several NHL teams that would 376 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,759 do unspeakable things for a player like that if he 377 00:18:56,799 --> 00:18:59,400 grades out as I expect him to. But on the 378 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,119 other hand, and you have to hand it to Jackson Blake, 379 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,079 who really popped off in college before making his NHL 380 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,480 debut with the Canes this year, and I personally think 381 00:19:07,519 --> 00:19:10,000 that if you have a father who played in the NHL, 382 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,160 that's a plus on your record for me because you 383 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,079 have someone who you can call at the end of 384 00:19:15,079 --> 00:19:17,640 every game and say, what am I doing here? Am 385 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,880 I what are you seeing here in my game? And 386 00:19:20,279 --> 00:19:23,839 with the kind of offensive upside or the offensive skill 387 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,039 and flare that Jason Blake showed in his career, I 388 00:19:27,079 --> 00:19:29,680 love that Jackson can can call that guy at the 389 00:19:29,759 --> 00:19:33,240 end of every game. For an analysis, Jackson can score 390 00:19:33,279 --> 00:19:35,039 and has a good vision on the ice, and in 391 00:19:35,079 --> 00:19:37,559 the Carolina system, he could as equally end up on 392 00:19:37,599 --> 00:19:39,359 the second line as he could in the fourth line. 393 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,920 They've made Eric Robinson into a fantasy hold, and I 394 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,519 think anything can happen in Carolina, especially with all of 395 00:19:46,559 --> 00:19:49,359 these prospects that are grading up very similarly. This is 396 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,000 the kind of trade where it really depends on what 397 00:19:51,039 --> 00:19:53,000 you need on your team and is what makes it 398 00:19:53,039 --> 00:19:55,880 a perfect one for one. I think sixty percent of 399 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,039 the time I'd lean to the Boivert archetype, But if 400 00:19:58,079 --> 00:19:59,960 I was a team trying to win now, I would 401 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:01,960 make the play for Blake and be happy that I 402 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,319 can get some scoring from those minors swing games, especially 403 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,559 since he's had such a great start to the season here. 404 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,200 So I think I probably lean Blavet, but I would 405 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,240 be very happy making that play for Blake. I think 406 00:20:14,279 --> 00:20:16,599 long term, you'll be happy with either of these players. 407 00:20:16,799 --> 00:20:20,079 Just keep your fingers crossed for Bavert as he progresses 408 00:20:20,079 --> 00:20:22,759 through the funnel. The last trade here before we take 409 00:20:22,799 --> 00:20:25,240 a short break, has a few more moving pieces. We're 410 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,559 not quite in the one for one world anymore here, Victor. 411 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,160 This provides a really fascinating look into the current perceived 412 00:20:32,279 --> 00:20:35,960 value of a recently highly touted first round pick. So 413 00:20:36,039 --> 00:20:37,799 let's get right into it here. With a trade from 414 00:20:37,839 --> 00:20:41,039 Tidy Yager. We have JB, who we've mentioned a lot 415 00:20:41,079 --> 00:20:43,359 on this show in the past, a very active trader 416 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:48,599 in the Yoger division, trading for acquiring David Peran, Nikolai 417 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,559 Covalenko and Jonathan Drew and so a couple of Colorado 418 00:20:51,599 --> 00:20:54,720 middle sixers and a veteran on the Ottawa Senators. There 419 00:20:55,279 --> 00:20:59,680 from Blame who acquires Kent Johnson. Very exciting first round 420 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,519 pick here with pedigree and an even more exciting player 421 00:21:03,559 --> 00:21:06,880 for me at least, Daniela Yurov. So we have Johnson 422 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,720 and euro for Piran, Covalenco and Drew Ann. JB had 423 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,200 this to say, It started with the fact that I 424 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,359 wanted a piece of Colorado. With Nachuscan and the assistance 425 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,079 program at this time and the injuries to Lekkanen, these 426 00:21:19,079 --> 00:21:21,720 players had a bit more of a prominent role at 427 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,880 the time. We weren't even sure that Natchushkin would even 428 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,200 play again for them. He says this about Kent Johnson, 429 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,039 that he's thrown the towel in because he is injury 430 00:21:30,079 --> 00:21:34,119 prone and has a low bash expectations. Sometimes you need 431 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,039 to let go of players, and this was the time 432 00:21:36,039 --> 00:21:38,319 for him. To let go of Johnson. He had a 433 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,519 lot of prospects, maybe too many of them, and is 434 00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:43,079 looking for NHL ready guys to hopefully make the leap 435 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,119 out of the yogurt division and decides that Peran, Covalenco, 436 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,759 and Drew Anne are all playing now. When it comes 437 00:21:49,839 --> 00:21:53,279 to Colorado, he thinks that Covalenco could have played a 438 00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:55,480 big role there. He thought it could have been a 439 00:21:55,519 --> 00:21:58,240 home run and a move that paid off, and admits 440 00:21:58,279 --> 00:22:00,480 that it didn't go well so far, but never know. 441 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:05,000 The price asked for Covalenco from Blame was Eurov or Lekarimachi, 442 00:22:05,519 --> 00:22:08,319 both very exciting players. He really likes what he saw 443 00:22:08,319 --> 00:22:11,000 from Lekarimachi at the World Juniors, so for him, it 444 00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:14,000 was Yurov that needed to go and that Covalenco was 445 00:22:14,079 --> 00:22:17,160 the target in this trade. Blame had this to say 446 00:22:17,279 --> 00:22:19,440 with guys that come out of nowhere and have big years, 447 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,119 that he's pretty quick to move off of them if 448 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,319 he doesn't like what he sees that much, and cites 449 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,920 Drew Ann as one of those guys being really dependent 450 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,160 on his line. With McKinnon, Covalenco is a similar case 451 00:22:29,279 --> 00:22:31,440 that he had some hype for producing in the KHL, 452 00:22:31,759 --> 00:22:34,039 but he didn't know how that would translate to the NHL. 453 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,279 Puran being on a new team, you never know. All 454 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:40,440 that said, Blame's team was competitive and was aging, so 455 00:22:40,559 --> 00:22:42,759 moving these guys for a young guy drafted high in 456 00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:45,880 the organization on a show me contract like Kent Johnson 457 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,359 felt like the right move. He has the upside to 458 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,720 be the best player in the trade. Yurov seemed to 459 00:22:50,759 --> 00:22:53,720 be a bit of a throw in prospect here. Interested 460 00:22:53,759 --> 00:22:56,279 to see him develop, but he has a unique profile 461 00:22:56,759 --> 00:23:00,440 and something that might be missing for the wild To me, Victory, 462 00:23:00,519 --> 00:23:03,480 this looks like some Colorado middle sixers and a veteran 463 00:23:03,559 --> 00:23:06,400 fourth liner for Kent Johnson and Daniela Europ. This one 464 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,319 seems a little easy to me. But what am I missing, Victor? 465 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 3: I'm not sure that you sing anything quite frankly. I 466 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,640 do think it comes down to Johnson versus Duran, mostly 467 00:23:17,759 --> 00:23:21,359 for this season down the road, I can definitely see 468 00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:25,000 the upside of Eurov over Covalenko, and I think Purana 469 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,000 is basically just a placeholder. I don't think he's too 470 00:23:29,079 --> 00:23:32,319 relevant here to the discussion. It really just seems like 471 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,119 a now move versus versus a little bit of a 472 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,240 later move. Even though Ken Johnson is scoring more than 473 00:23:40,279 --> 00:23:44,640 those guys right now. I can definitely understand where je 474 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,680 is coming from in terms of getting rid of Johnson 475 00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:50,599 because he, although is doing great right now, he can 476 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,319 give you nothing. He can just go completely cold. And 477 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,519 when Ken Johnson is cold, you get no points, you 478 00:23:57,559 --> 00:24:00,599 get no priffs, you get no nothing, and it's extremely frustrating. 479 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,359 I personally don't like those types of players. I tend 480 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,279 to like players who at least give you more of 481 00:24:06,279 --> 00:24:08,480 a solid floor with upside for points. I do happen 482 00:24:08,519 --> 00:24:11,960 to have Johnson in one league, and yeah, it's great. 483 00:24:12,319 --> 00:24:14,200 I'm really happy when he's doing stuff, and when he's not, 484 00:24:14,279 --> 00:24:16,519 I just want to tear whatever hair I have out left. 485 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,440 So that's really frustrating. So I get the sentiment, but 486 00:24:20,519 --> 00:24:24,559 I do think that there's a little bit lower upside 487 00:24:24,559 --> 00:24:27,400 with some security, some security that you get from Drewman. 488 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,640 But I totally agree that you also are pretty line dependent. 489 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,119 I think unless Colorado makes a big trade to bring 490 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,839 in some other talent, which I think might be a 491 00:24:36,839 --> 00:24:38,759 little bit hard to do, I think Drewan is going 492 00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:40,640 to continue to be one of their best options. So 493 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,559 I'm not sure that his downside is as low as 494 00:24:43,599 --> 00:24:45,839 it maybe has been in the past. I think he's 495 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,839 going to continue to get pretty decent deployment, even if 496 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,319 it's not amazing. So yeah, that's how I see that. 497 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:56,759 I think that Johnson is probably running a little bit hot. 498 00:24:57,279 --> 00:24:59,880 I found it interesting though, that his second worst outing 499 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:04,720 of the season is just around Duran's average, which is hilarious, 500 00:25:04,839 --> 00:25:10,160 thinking that he could certainly do much. He could certainly 501 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,119 do worse than he's doing now, but so far it 502 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,359 hasn't been. It's been about similar to what Duran's been doing, 503 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,480 and it seems that I don't know, Colin Thumbus also 504 00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:21,559 seems very weird. They seem to go through these spells 505 00:25:21,559 --> 00:25:23,519 where they just score in bunches, and so I don't 506 00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:25,440 know if they can continue to be consistent with that. 507 00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:28,119 And if they can, then Kent Johnson is certainly going 508 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,599 to be someone that you're going to want, I think 509 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,559 a bit more than Jonathan Drew Ane. 510 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 4: What do you think, Ryan, The way JB laid this 511 00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:38,440 out looks to me like it was Piran and Drew 512 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,160 Anne for Kent Johnson and Covalenco for Year Off. And 513 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,759 I think When you break it down like that, it 514 00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:45,400 becomes clear to me that I want the Kent Johnson side. 515 00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:49,279 Johnson is only still twenty two years old and actually 516 00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:51,799 recently made his return from injury and is maintaining one 517 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,200 hundred and twenty point pace this season. You mentioned Columbus 518 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,720 has had some struggles to remain consistent, but I think 519 00:25:57,759 --> 00:26:01,240 there's something of truth there with Kent Johnson. I understand 520 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,559 JB wanting to move off of Kent Johnson, perhaps thinking 521 00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:08,039 about him as part of the previous management teams regime, 522 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,160 not a favorite of the previous regime. Here, with a 523 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,799 new general manager and a new coach in Waddell and Evison, 524 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,559 comes a renewed opportunity here for Johnson, and I think 525 00:26:19,559 --> 00:26:22,000 there's still a lot of hope for this player and 526 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:24,160 he's going to get a huge opportunity in Columbus to 527 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,880 try and become what we all thought he could be 528 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,799 when he was dishing. Itto Beniers in Bresaw at Michigan. 529 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,880 I don't know if Johnson would be the one I 530 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,720 would have moved off of if I had a surplus 531 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,000 of prospect like JB said he had, Since he still 532 00:26:36,039 --> 00:26:39,240 has top line potential and is currently really living up 533 00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:42,799 to that. As the beginning of this season progresses, add 534 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,359 Yurov into that equation, who outperformed Covileenco last year in 535 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,079 the KHL as a nineteen year old player looks to 536 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,720 have real top line potential in Minnesota, it's no contest 537 00:26:52,759 --> 00:26:54,359 for me. And no matter where you are in the 538 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,279 winning cycle, give me Johnson and you're off. And Victor, 539 00:26:57,319 --> 00:26:59,839 maybe I'm drinking the Jesse Severe kool aid here, but 540 00:26:59,839 --> 00:27:00,960 I really like Yourov. 541 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 3: Yeah. 542 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 4: Does he have Caprizov like upside or are we looking 543 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,960 at more of a coval Anko plus type. 544 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 3: As with most answers, I think the truth is probably 545 00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:16,079 somewhere in between, which is very boring, but I think 546 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,480 that it's true and I was I wrote about a 547 00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:21,119 year off last spring for EP rings Side and one 548 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:22,480 of the things that I found out when I was 549 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,119 looking into this, which isn't always so obvious, is that 550 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,920 he had a really big explosion in points last season, 551 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,640 which a lot of people probably noticed. Forty nine points 552 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,200 and sixty two games for Magnetigorsk, who I believe they 553 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,759 were the KHL champs and he was awesome for them. 554 00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:41,200 That's a huge point total. And when you actually dig 555 00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:43,799 into it, he had the seventh most ice time of 556 00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:46,519 any of the forwards, which makes absolutely no sense because 557 00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:51,039 he led them in points and was getting so little 558 00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:54,079 ice time. It's baffling and you wonder what the coach 559 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:59,119 is thinking. In fact, Nikita Bryankan was second, and he 560 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,799 had eight fewer points and five more games. To do 561 00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:06,599 that in the opportunity that you're off was getting even 562 00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:09,680 though he was leading points was absolutely absurd. And but 563 00:28:09,759 --> 00:28:14,319 we've seen this. Euroff has said that he is leaving 564 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,680 the KHL for the while after this season. He said 565 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,200 that last season, and often when players do that, they 566 00:28:21,319 --> 00:28:24,920 get minimal opportunity, they get pushed down the lineup, and 567 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,160 so that's not terribly surprising that happened. I think it's 568 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,279 also interesting this season it has gotten worse. He has 569 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,640 the tenth most ice time of any Metal Art Magnetigores forward. 570 00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:38,039 He has twelve points and twenty three games, so he's 571 00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:40,599 just over that half point per game mark. He's not 572 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,279 currently leading the team in points, but he also has 573 00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:47,440 played quite a bit fewer games than the rest of 574 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,319 the players. He's only six behind and the leading score 575 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,119 has nine more games, so he's still doing quite well 576 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,160 even though he's getting very little opportunity, and I think 577 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,000 he's great. I think he's more of that complimentary player. 578 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,599 He's a facilitator. He's someone that can work well with 579 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,920 the other talented players that they have. Boldie's really breaking out, 580 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,920 coming into his own. Caprisov's obviously a superstar. They have 581 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,240 a favor and some other guys there. I think, and 582 00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:14,799 Rossi really coming into his own. I could see him 583 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,279 working really well and facilitating with some of those guys. 584 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,200 In many ways, he's like a more of a Boldie Mold. 585 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,720 I would say that he's a really good complimentary player, 586 00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:27,920 although Boldie is making a case to be more of 587 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,000 a star. So I think he's a You're off is 588 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,400 in that vein, but a little bit step down. I 589 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,680 don't think he's going to hit capriceof highs, but I 590 00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:38,519 also think he's much better than a cobal Aenco type. 591 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:41,440 And yeah, I think he's I think we maybe should 592 00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:43,079 drink a little bit more You're Off kool aid. 593 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,759 Speaker 4: I suppose you're right that to hit the Caprizov upside 594 00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:49,759 there probably wouldn't need to be there would need to 595 00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:52,720 be not a Caprizov in your way to do that, 596 00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:55,559 and there's maybe some opportunity in Minnesota, but not a 597 00:29:55,559 --> 00:29:58,079 whole lot there when you think about it, could be 598 00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:01,839 a really interesting piece for them for sure. Thanks for that, Victor. 599 00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:03,920 We'll take a quick break and be right back with 600 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,359 a few consolidation trades for your consideration. You're listening to 601 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:08,119 Tidy Takes. 602 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 3: That's right, selfish, break it down, skate fuck, don't bat hip. 603 00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:23,599 It's still gonna be there. When you've sat jump one 604 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,559 taking coast to coast, dronking for you're still shot bad donce. 605 00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:31,720 That's a good breakaway. I get the bats boys. 606 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 4: Welcome back to Tidy Takes. And now we're talking about 607 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,759 consolidation and to pro players, which has been a topic 608 00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:42,000 of conversation in the past on this podcast. We have 609 00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:44,799 a very interesting trade here in Lidstrom from two first 610 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,839 year Tidy managers edm Oiler thirteen and Colalby, who is 611 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,720 I think currently in first place in Lidstrom with a 612 00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:56,839 very impressive season so far. The edm Oiler thirteen team 613 00:30:57,119 --> 00:31:01,759 acquires Carter Yakumchuk, defensive aspect for the Ottawa Senators and 614 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,359 left wing for the Saint Louis Blues Dylan Holloway in 615 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:10,279 exchange for Mike Matheson of the Montreal Canadians. Very interesting 616 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,559 pro players here with Holloway and Matheson and in an 617 00:31:13,559 --> 00:31:17,400 exciting young de prospect for Ottawa. We didn't hear from 618 00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:20,400 edm Oiler thirteen, but Colalby had this to say about 619 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,079 the deal, stating that the weakest part of his team 620 00:31:23,119 --> 00:31:27,119 were defenceman, figuring he needed to upgrade if he had 621 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,000 any chance of winning. Yakimchuk will be a stud, but 622 00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:32,160 he's four to five years away. Put a pin in 623 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,160 that thought, and that he's useless in this type of 624 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,559 league where he's trying to move up tears. Holloway may 625 00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:41,759 also be good, but is replaceable and was aging out 626 00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:43,720 of the farm team and was going to be less 627 00:31:43,799 --> 00:31:47,039 useful this year for him. This is my thoughts now. 628 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,440 I think Yakimchuk has been an interesting topic of conversation, 629 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,839 along with the entire complement of high skill offensive defenseman 630 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,279 near the top of the twenty twenty four draft. I'm 631 00:31:56,319 --> 00:32:00,119 thinking of guys like Perek Boo, Yam, Sam Dickinson. I 632 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,359 remember you expressing that Yakamchuck went a little higher than 633 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,359 you thought just because his defensive game needs some work. 634 00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:09,519 Is he more of a riverboat gambler or more of 635 00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:12,720 that top blind powerplay stud who can just defend well 636 00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:15,559 enough to get the ice time. I guess this deal 637 00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:18,279 depends on what type of defenseman you think Yakamchuk is. 638 00:32:18,319 --> 00:32:20,000 So where do you land on him, Victor? 639 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think I've changed my opinion too much, 640 00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:28,240 but it was interesting to see him do so well 641 00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:33,319 in the Senator's camp and preseason, even he was turning 642 00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:37,599 some head. There's no question he has some skill. I 643 00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:40,160 think some people were even comparing him to Eric Carlson, 644 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,880 which is certainly a bit unfair to the young man, 645 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,680 I would say. But on the other hand, I think 646 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,440 the similarities are there in the sense that he is 647 00:32:48,519 --> 00:32:53,680 a very exciting offensive defenseman. He's someone who is not 648 00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:56,759 risk averse. He takes a lot of chances, he makes 649 00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:59,480 a lot of things happen, and both good and bad. 650 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,960 And I think as you look at someone like at 651 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,599 Carlson who has learned at least a little bit to 652 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,759 mitigate some of those risks, and who has learned to 653 00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:13,240 be a little bit better defensively and knowing when to 654 00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:16,920 challenge and when to be a little bit more conservative, 655 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,440 and I think Gakamchuk will learn that. And I think 656 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,559 if you can learn that, he's probably going to be 657 00:33:21,599 --> 00:33:25,000 able to learn to defend well enough, and that's going 658 00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:27,440 to make him a very exciting player. It seems that 659 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,920 he was much further along, at least in some of 660 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,519 those aspects than I thought. It also makes sense he's 661 00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:36,440 the September twenty ninth birthday, so he's he was eighteen 662 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,480 all of last year. He'll be nineteen all of this 663 00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:41,960 year pretty much, and being a little bit older, being 664 00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:44,839 very physically mature, he's already a really big, strong kid. 665 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,079 He could make the jump a little bit earlier. But yeah, 666 00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:50,119 I think that there's a lot of there's a lot 667 00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:52,480 of there's some risks there in my mind, just in 668 00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:55,200 the sense that is he going to be someone who 669 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,200 plays as a top four defenseman, because if he's more 670 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,920 of a Tyson Barry type, then that's not as exciting 671 00:34:03,119 --> 00:34:05,880 as when Eric Carlson obviously, So I think the truth 672 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,000 is probably somewhere in between there. And it also depends 673 00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:11,840 on how much the senators love him, because if they 674 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,960 love him and don't care about some of those risks 675 00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:16,760 and want to try to cover up some of those mistakes, 676 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,639 pair him with a really good defensive partner and give 677 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,280 him the opportunity to learn on the job and flesh 678 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,519 that out. Then you're going to be happy with the production. 679 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,599 But if they treat him with kid gloves and they 680 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,400 try to bring him along really slowly, playing him a 681 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,119 lot in the HL which might be better for his 682 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:37,079 long term development, you're not going to be happy about that, 683 00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:39,920 and it's going to take a lot longer and it 684 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,519 might be a little bit frustrating. So those are all 685 00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:44,480 some things that I think about in my head. But 686 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,719 I think he's a very exciting prospect in terms of 687 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,719 what's going to come in the future. Right now, I 688 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,920 think it's pretty clear that Mike Matheson is a pretty 689 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,719 exciting player, and he's someone who's going to give you 690 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,519 a lot more points, and I would definitely want that 691 00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:00,719 side if I'm pushing my chips in and trying to 692 00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:04,239 move out of the listrom division. So that makes a 693 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,039 lot of sense. But it also makes sense to maybe 694 00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:10,320 move off of Matheson because as good as he's been 695 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,880 the last season or two, I do think he has 696 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,559 an expiration date right He had there's other players that 697 00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:19,480 are coming. He hasn't held this role for a long time. 698 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,119 How many other teams could he hold this on I'm 699 00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:25,599 not sure, and so I think his upside for the 700 00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:28,159 next season or two is probably muted a little bit 701 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,360 as his role evolves and changes. So I get this 702 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,360 one from both sides, and I like that the high 703 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,639 vote there, or at least tied with the high vote 704 00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:38,320 is even because it makes a lot of sense to me, 705 00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:39,159 don't you think? 706 00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 4: Yeah? I think this is another this is gonna win 707 00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:45,760 for sure when it comes to Carter Yakamchuk. I also 708 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,840 think that Eric Carlson comparison is a little unfair and 709 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,840 probably more of a vestige of Ottawa Senators fans coping 710 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,480 with the fact that their management team has once again 711 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,119 made a reach pick, especially when you have guys like 712 00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:03,159 Buyum and Perez still on the board. I do Carter Yakhamchuk. 713 00:36:03,199 --> 00:36:05,039 I know there's some guys in his way in Ottawa, 714 00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:07,639 and that one of those guys is likely one of 715 00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:10,360 the top five U twenty four defensemen in the world 716 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,800 right now in Jake Sanderson. But a guy with yakham 717 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,639 Chuck's a combination of quiet confidence toughness and scoring touch 718 00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:21,079 doesn't come along every day. The Outawa blue line might 719 00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:23,559 finally be able to excize some of the weaker veteran 720 00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:25,760 options they've employed in the last few years. I'm looking 721 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,280 at you, Travis Haminik, and that might happen as soon 722 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,960 as next season. Getting a high compete forward with skill 723 00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:34,760 like Holloway seals the deal for me, especially when you 724 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,239 consider that Matheson, while a serviceable fantasy asset, is a 725 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,360 top twenty Fantasy d is likely to face some internal 726 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,280 competition from Lane Hudson for his power play time imminently, 727 00:36:44,679 --> 00:36:46,400 and there's other options. 728 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 3: On that blue line. 729 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 4: We're recording this on Wednesday, November twenty seventh, and Jayden 730 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,159 Struble had a goal last night for Ottawa or for Montreal, 731 00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:57,159 I should say so. There's a lot of options in Montreal, 732 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,440 and like you said, Matheson is going to have an 733 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,199 expiration date that might come as soon as next season. 734 00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:06,920 If I'm trying to win like I am in Lord Stanley, 735 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,360 this deal is not happening, but I understand it. In Lidstrom, 736 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,800 I would rather have I think Yakamchuck's age nineteen to 737 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,239 twenty two years than Matheson's age thirty to thirty three years, 738 00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:20,400 especially if Yakamchuck can contribute enough as a sub one 739 00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:22,719 hundred game played player to be worth swapping up and 740 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,000 down from your miners. Andy's right handed victor, So that 741 00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:29,039 seals it for me for another two for one here. 742 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,079 But with some really exciting pieces here, we got some 743 00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:36,519 top fantasy assets moving in this trade. In Tidy Gretzky, 744 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:41,119 the Portland Pirates acquire a current favorite defenseman of mine 745 00:37:41,199 --> 00:37:44,239 for the Detroit Red Wings Simo and Edvinson, I love 746 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,599 this guy. Oh my god, I'm so excited we get 747 00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:49,760 to talk about him here, and right wing top prospect 748 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,840 for the Montreal Canadians Ivan Demidov from one if byrom 749 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,119 to if byfield Fred acquiring center Joel Eriksson Eck, who 750 00:37:58,199 --> 00:38:01,599 is a great fantasy asset. So we have a lot 751 00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:04,559 of context here from the two managers. We'll start with 752 00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:07,360 Fred here saying that his team was finally in a 753 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,800 position to make this type of trade to acquire ericson k. 754 00:38:11,199 --> 00:38:13,840 He believes he gave up a lot. Both players look 755 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,760 like rising talent and should be in the NHL for 756 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,559 a long time. But Joel Ericson K is a multistat filler, 757 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,880 the type of player that everyone covets in this kind 758 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,360 of league, and while he believes that Demodov may end 759 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,840 up being the best player, it's worth the gamble to 760 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,000 get Joel Erikson Ek right now. He also says that 761 00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:32,239 he actually offered a different player we'll get into that, 762 00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:35,760 Maki samus Kavich, but that Edvonson was the second piece 763 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,719 added to seal the deal. The Portland Pirates have this 764 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,480 to say that the player that one if Byron had 765 00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:47,280 floated initially was Maki Samuskavich instead of Simon. Edvinson not 766 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,920 really interested in that player, so he thought he would 767 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,039 counter high with Edvinson and see if that they could 768 00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:54,760 meet in the middle. Fortunately for the Portland Pirates, he 769 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,719 accepted the counter and he ended up with Edvonson. He 770 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,360 said he would normally not trade someone like Joel Lyrics 771 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,599 Andek in their prime, but that the prospect of Demodov 772 00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:05,800 and Edvonson having the potential to get pretty close to 773 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,760 his floor in the next couple of seasons sealed it 774 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,119 for him. This league is very unique, and knowing that 775 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,159 his team is still a couple of years away from 776 00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:16,440 truly competing made him able to bite the bullet and 777 00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:19,920 sell high on Joel Erikson Eck. If there were more 778 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,840 teams that would be relegated each year of the current 779 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,159 team in the basement was closer to competing, he might 780 00:39:24,199 --> 00:39:26,760 not have made this move, but feels good enough to 781 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,159 not be relegated while waiting for his talent to develop. 782 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,840 Given the league dynamics in Gretzky, He's very high on 783 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,719 Demodov and can't wait for him to come over next 784 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,960 year and potentially have a Mitchkov like impact. Lots of 785 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,960 really exciting pieces here, Victor, a potential future top line 786 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,599 winger as soon as next year, a current top pairing defenseman, 787 00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:48,039 and Simon Edvnson and perhaps the best category filler in 788 00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:50,119 hockey today. Where do you even begin? 789 00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 3: I think you begin by just loving and appreciating that 790 00:39:54,039 --> 00:39:57,079 this trade even happened, because I think it's great. A 791 00:39:57,159 --> 00:40:00,000 good job on both these guys, and as Red said, 792 00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:02,280 I definitely think he gave up a lot and he 793 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,320 knew that. I think one guy, Brad, clearly gets the 794 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,880 better asset right now, and that's the lyrics and k 795 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,639 but I think the other guy clearly gets the best 796 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,280 long term package. Jeko Lyrics and K is one of 797 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,400 those do it all centers. It's a really high floor 798 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,599 guy you can rely on that you can set him 799 00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:22,360 and forget it, because it's unlikely that anyone is going 800 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,880 to unless you have three other amazing centers, which why 801 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,679 would you do that deal if you did. So, you 802 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,519 have someone who's pretty much just going to stick in 803 00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:33,199 your lineup and give you solid production. I'm not sure 804 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,960 that the Jeeke sticks with caprisof long term, but he's 805 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,880 been there for a bit now, and I think that 806 00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:41,639 even without him, he gives you super solid floor, and 807 00:40:41,679 --> 00:40:44,519 with him he gives you the upside to be much 808 00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:48,239 more five six, seven fantasy points per game, maybe even 809 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,119 more at times, and so that's pretty fantastic consistent value. 810 00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:55,039 So I get that. And there is no Skeeter position 811 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,360 in the tidy, so you are limited to your center 812 00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:02,360 left being right wing and dspot and so sometimes you 813 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,480 can have the guys that have multiple positions are obviously helpful, 814 00:41:06,519 --> 00:41:08,880 but sometimes I actually find that I struggle with the 815 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,519 center spot having someone that's going to give you that 816 00:41:11,639 --> 00:41:14,599 really consistent, high end value. So I don't mind that 817 00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:17,119 at all, but I think I clearly I'm going to 818 00:41:17,159 --> 00:41:20,800 favor the Edmonds inside pretty easily here because that is 819 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,360 a premium position. It's hard to get guys that have 820 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,119 really good points point production there, and in the past 821 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,199 Edmondson had been a really big basher. I think as 822 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,840 he's broken into the NHL, he has had more attention 823 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,719 to detail, to his positioning and to being really solid defensively, 824 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,840 and so he hasn't The bash numbers have slowly been 825 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,599 cropped climbing, but they are getting there, and I think 826 00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:48,480 once they get there, he is going to be just 827 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,280 an absolute gem. He was like that in the SHL. 828 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,880 His minutes are climbing. You look at his game log 829 00:41:56,119 --> 00:41:58,639 and it's creeping up and up. Starting from nineteen minutes, 830 00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:03,199 he's had twenty twenty three minute games and he's just 831 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,320 looked great. You see the confidence, you see all the 832 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,559 fantastic tools that he has. The guy is huge. He's 833 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,840 a fantastic skater, he's physical, he's all the things you 834 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,119 really want except maybe being right handed if you really 835 00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:19,800 wanted a dream defenseman, but nothing you do about that. 836 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:24,400 He's really great and I think that the value could 837 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,480 even go up here. And I think that the fact 838 00:42:26,519 --> 00:42:28,960 that they're close Edmonton at three point eight nine fantasy 839 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,440 points I just updated that on the most recent game 840 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,719 and eul Lyrickson at three point seventy six, so they're 841 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,800 less than a point apart, and you get that premium 842 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,840 position plus we have. I haven't even mentioned the fact 843 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,000 that you get Ivan Demidov, who could be the best 844 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,599 player in this entire trade, which I think is pretty 845 00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:50,519 hard to ignore. And it sure sounds like he's going 846 00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:53,719 to come over next season and he could step right 847 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,920 into the ABS lineup and just be an absolute beast. 848 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,800 He you were talking about capries soft cups. I certainly 849 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,400 think Demodov has that type of upside. I think he 850 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,920 could be at seven to eight fantasy points per game 851 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,320 type player even more, and I think that he could 852 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,760 he can end up stealing the deal, and so this 853 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,159 is one of those trades where I don't think you 854 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,199 give up that much in terms of this year. I 855 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,519 think you could still be competitive. I think Portland Pirates 856 00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:24,559 could still confidently say that they could still compete for 857 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,079 the top spot by giving up Eulriksink and depending on 858 00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:30,239 what other centers they had and getting Edvonson. But I 859 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,400 think positions them next year also to be even more competitive, 860 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,599 and so I really like that. It'd be hard. It'd 861 00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:39,679 be hard for me not to smash, except if someone 862 00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:42,400 offered me Edvonson and Demodov, even for someone better, I 863 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,679 would say than Eolrics andk Ryan. 864 00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:48,960 Speaker 4: Do any think, Yeah, I don't think Fred will mind 865 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,559 us talking about this a bit more, because he says 866 00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:53,440 he knows what he gave up and that he was 867 00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:55,400 in the position to make this kind of deal. And 868 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,159 certainly he has a lot of young talent in the minors, 869 00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:00,920 so he's not It's not like he's estimating his minor 870 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,360 pool here by getting rid of Edvanson a Demodov. But 871 00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:06,280 I thought the same thing at first, Blush that this 872 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,840 trade was a little lopsided, with two premium A plus 873 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,559 assets going one way and only one A plus asset 874 00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:15,159 going the other way. I understand it. Rik Sinek is 875 00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:17,800 in his prime as an NHL center, contributes in multiple 876 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,960 scoring categories, and seems to play with Kaprizov most of 877 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,400 the time, which we couldn't say that in previous seasons. 878 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,960 Looks like he's getting the prioritization of playing with Kaprizov 879 00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:29,840 right now, which makes it a bit more even and 880 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,960 a good example of him win for these two teams. 881 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,960 I could I wrote this in my notes and you 882 00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:37,280 said it first, and I'm going to echo it. I 883 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,920 could see Demodov putting up similar results to Kaprizov and 884 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,480 Mitchkov when he eventually comes over, and Edvonson is already 885 00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:47,800 proving himself as a top pairing defenseman, riding shotgun with 886 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,800 Mosider and playing the single most difficult minutes in the 887 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,199 entire NHL to start this season, because the rest of 888 00:44:55,199 --> 00:44:59,840 that Detroit Red Wings blue line is woof horrible, horror awful, 889 00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:04,199 just terrible. These guys Sharrat Hall go down the list. 890 00:45:04,599 --> 00:45:07,599 It's a bunch of third pairing and seventh and eighth 891 00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:11,360 defenseman types. I understand Lalan coaching for his job, putting 892 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,119 his two best players on the one pairing and just 893 00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:16,320 telling them to suck it up. I think part of 894 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,159 that is probably why Edvonson's bashing ways have been down. 895 00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:22,360 He's focused on gapping up and making sure that he 896 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,480 can stop some of the best players in the league 897 00:45:24,559 --> 00:45:27,480 night after night. But I think the confidence that can 898 00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:31,000 be gained from him playing those minutes and still maintaining 899 00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:33,960 a half point a game pace in his first real 900 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,360 shot with the Detroit Red Wings is so exciting. This 901 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,880 kind of piece in Edvonson is really hard to find 902 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,079 in our league. It would be hard for us to 903 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,440 acquire him in Lord Stanley for instance. And then, yeah, 904 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,920 like you said, Demidov is the cherry on top. I 905 00:45:48,039 --> 00:45:50,639 lean to the prospect side, as do you. Edvonson is 906 00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:53,199 about even in our scoring system with Eric Sinek, but 907 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,760 it's closer than it appears when you consider Joel Erikson 908 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,199 X's consistency and ceiling. Give me the prospects here. But 909 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,719 I totally understan what Fred is doing and trying to 910 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,480 move up so he can play with the big boys 911 00:46:03,519 --> 00:46:05,639 and Lord Stanley. 912 00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, I absolutely, I love it. I love pushing your 913 00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:13,119 chips in knowing you might lose long term, but if 914 00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:14,840 you think it's going to help you now, I have 915 00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:17,239 no problem with that. I have no problem. Do Do 916 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,000 you remember when this trade went down, because Edmson has 917 00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:21,280 really been coming on lately. 918 00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was the twenty ninth trade of the season. 919 00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:30,559 And if I look back here, this trade happened on 920 00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:33,280 November third, so we're a couple of weeks out from 921 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,320 it now, and certainly Edmondson has really come on in 922 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,480 the past month, but he's been he was admired in 923 00:46:39,519 --> 00:46:41,440 a bit of a cold streak at the time of 924 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,199 this deal and wasn't getting the same kind of deployment. 925 00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:47,079 So I totally understand where Fred was coming from here. 926 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,039 But yeah, this happened on November third. 927 00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:55,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, a good call there. He definitely Edmondson had very 928 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,880 few points during that time, if I'm kind of so, 929 00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:01,920 he had four points in those roughly fifteen games or 930 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,719 so and twelve games maybe, So he was definitely not 931 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,000 coming on like Gangbusters. His time on ice was fluctuating 932 00:47:08,039 --> 00:47:10,320 a bit. It was a bit lower, and it has 933 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,719 really skyrocketed since and we've seen some real highlight, real plays. 934 00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:18,159 I have to look back. I think before that, before 935 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,360 the trade, they were using him on a separate pair, 936 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,960 and then more recently they've been using him with Cider, 937 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,559 and I think that's been giving him a lot more 938 00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:30,599 opportunity and more upside. So yeah, it's one of those 939 00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:33,440 things too where I think we were not trying to 940 00:47:33,639 --> 00:47:35,840 criticize Fred or anything, but I think maybe there was 941 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,159 some different information too that he was using for that analysis, 942 00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:41,280 and then it flipped after the trade, and so it 943 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,880 might make things look a little bit worse than it 944 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:48,599 actually was. But either way, I think that you have 945 00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,199 to take all the information we have into account, and 946 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,199 he was trying to make his team better and I 947 00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:56,000 think it still does. It's just maybe what's going to 948 00:47:56,039 --> 00:47:59,039 happen from here, and if Edvinson really continues to break 949 00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:02,840 out and increases is fancy points even more than it 950 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,840 might look a little bit lopsided for Fred. But either way, 951 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,239 I think it's a great trade. A lot of people 952 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,000 voted it even and I think it probably is. 953 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was going to bring up the trade voting. 954 00:48:13,159 --> 00:48:15,360 We haven't mentioned it a whole lot in this episode 955 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,440 because frankly, a lot of the deals that we've talked 956 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,039 about today were judged by our tidy patriots as even 957 00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:25,119 with the exception of the Hainola trade earlier on, which 958 00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:29,400 has its own ecosystem of discussion topics around it, haven't 959 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,559 mentioned it a whole lot, but our tidy managers voted 960 00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:33,840 this trade to be pretty even a good win now 961 00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:37,519 for both of these teams looking to compete in this moment. 962 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,440 It's an exciting trade to talk about, and thanks to 963 00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:43,519 these guys for making that trade and allowing us to 964 00:48:43,639 --> 00:48:44,400 chat about it. 965 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,440 Speaker 3: Indeed, thanks so much for everyone being active in the Tidian. 966 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,519 And if you want to get involved, you need to 967 00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:52,599 be a patron. 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