WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.480 --> 00:00:03.839 You've created everything. 2 00:00:04.639 --> 00:00:09.279 Let's put a powerful being you are. You did these things, 3 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:12.240 but now you're in a human body, you forget the 4 00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:30.000 power you have. Welcome to Metamistics, where you don't know 5 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:34.159 what you don't know. My name's Jonathan, and today we 6 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:37.600 have a very special guest, Eric Osborne. 7 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:39.000 Welcome to the show, sir. 8 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:41.039 All right, thank you, Jonathan, glad to be here. 9 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:45.679 Hey, dude, I am very very inspired and impressed and 10 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:48.920 just enamored by your work and everything that you've done 11 00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:52.719 over the course of the last twenty five plus years. 12 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:56.359 It is so amazing what you've been able to do, 13 00:00:56.920 --> 00:01:00.759 and you've just to fill everybody in here. You basically 14 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:05.840 built like a mushroom church, right, Oh that's not that's. 15 00:01:05.719 --> 00:01:07.879 Part of it. That's a part of it. Yeah, we've 16 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:10.280 done a lot over the last The church has only 17 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:16.040 been what it'll be six years old in May or No, 18 00:01:16.120 --> 00:01:18.959 it was six years No, it it was five years 19 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:21.640 old in May twenty twenty one is when it was 20 00:01:21.879 --> 00:01:26.560 founded on paper. It actually got going in twenty twenty, 21 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:30.239 right after we moved back from Jamaica, and then in 22 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:33.920 twenty one it was like solidified on paper. And so 23 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:36.799 we're five years into that the retreats in Jamaica I 24 00:01:36.879 --> 00:01:39.280 ran for seven years, and then I had a gourmet 25 00:01:39.359 --> 00:01:43.480 mushroom farm that I ran for nine years prior to that, 26 00:01:43.599 --> 00:01:45.480 or seven years prior to that after the math. 27 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:52.000 Wow, yeah, gourmet mushrooms. So you probably know a lot 28 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:55.359 about all the different types of mushrooms and this especially 29 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:57.560 the mushrooms that are in restaurants and whatnot. 30 00:01:57.640 --> 00:01:59.480 Right, Yeah, I mean that's how I got my start 31 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:01.760 in this whole world. And uh well, I mean kind 32 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:04.079 of like you know, Silo Sabin opened opened the door 33 00:02:04.560 --> 00:02:06.719 to just the world of mushrooms. I was like, oh 34 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:09.080 my god, this is a whole thing, and so I 35 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:13.919 started studying just mushrooms. You know. That was in ninety nine, 36 00:02:14.439 --> 00:02:20.199 and probably by like two thousand, I was selling wild 37 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:24.400 mushrooms to local restaurants and then that just kept like 38 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:28.960 growing and growing, and then by two thousand and nine 39 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:34.520 I had started officially started a mushroom farm. So yeah, 40 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:38.080 you know, I want in terms of edible mushrooms, I'm 41 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:40.159 what they call a pot picker, which means you just 42 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:42.680 pick what goes in the food pot. I am not 43 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:46.360 a taxonomist. I don't want to be a taxonomist. If 44 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:50.479 anybody cares about taxonomy, then Alan Rockerfeller is the guy. 45 00:02:50.759 --> 00:02:53.919 He's like this, especially with Pilo Sybin. If you don't 46 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:58.080 know of Alan Rockefeller, he is a fucking mushroom genius. 47 00:02:58.560 --> 00:02:59.599 So yes, I got his work. 48 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:04.400 If you're taxonomy all right, I've always been really curious, 49 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:07.840 have you, like, have you noticed a difference between you know, 50 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:13.080 the the psilocybin mushrooms that grow in cowshit and the 51 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:16.479 ones that are grown in the lab, like the hydroponics, 52 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:20.360 And is there any difference whatsoever in experience or effect 53 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:21.520 in those or is it best? 54 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:24.879 Oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean so you know I 55 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:27.879 right now, in my life, I pretty much only eat 56 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:31.919 wood lovers. There's a species here in Kentucky of whatdiosisidiata 57 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:34.759 that we call them ovoids. Those are what I pick 58 00:03:34.919 --> 00:03:38.560 and eat and mainly what I distribute to members of 59 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:43.840 our church and ceremony cubensus. Is your kind of typical 60 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:48.360 dung dwelling mushroom. I picked those in the wild. And 61 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:54.719 the thing about wild mushrooms psilocybin wild psilocybin, particularly the 62 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:59.479 dung lovers, is that they grow in open fields. And 63 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:03.159 so there's a lot of UV rays, which can significantly 64 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:07.639 limit their potency. Also, they are covered in pooh, so 65 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:14.439 there's that. I tend to not eat wild pooh grown mushrooms, 66 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:17.160 though I have and you know, I'm not knocking it, 67 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:19.240 but if I can, if I can eat something a 68 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:24.279 little cleaner than I'm going to the indoor cultivated mushrooms. Well, 69 00:04:24.319 --> 00:04:27.000 with cubensus, you know, there's been so many developments in 70 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:32.639 that cultivar over the years where there's like two my 71 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:38.439 last check, there was over two hundred varieties of cubensus strains, 72 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:41.800 right like your Golden Teachers, your b Plush, your Hawaiians, 73 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:45.439 your Hotlas or blah blah blah, your penis Indie. All 74 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:52.639 that is some derivation of cubensus, even enigmas and blobs 75 00:04:52.639 --> 00:04:54.480 and some of these weird things that don't even look 76 00:04:54.519 --> 00:04:57.879 like mushrooms. There are actually mutations of cubensus, and there 77 00:04:57.879 --> 00:05:01.560 can be a significant difference in potency, in characteristics. You know, 78 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:04.079 some of them are more visual, some of them are 79 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:07.600 more kind of emotional, some of them have more of 80 00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:11.720 a body load. There's there are significant differences. And then 81 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:13.639 at the same time, you know you're set and setting 82 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:17.360 have such an impact on the you know, the subjective 83 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:19.639 nature of your experience, so it can be a little 84 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:23.600 hard to tell what's the mushroom, what's your emotional state, 85 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:28.759 what's attributed to the environment. You know, I do generally 86 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:32.120 suggest when it comes to convince convinces that people eat 87 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:37.759 cultivated mushrooms because of the bacterial situation and wild harvested. 88 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:43.040 But you know, I pretty much exclusively eat wild soilicybin 89 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:44.040 now myself. 90 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:47.439 That are like I said, these woodlovers interesting. 91 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:50.480 I always found it pretty fascinating that you know, they 92 00:05:50.560 --> 00:05:53.720 mainly grow in the morning thanks to like the morning, 93 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:56.160 do right, or do they I mean do they pop 94 00:05:56.240 --> 00:05:59.000 up all throughout the day or is it anything to 95 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:00.399 do with it? 96 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:04.759 So it definitely does. I mean, mushrooms respond to very 97 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:10.920 small changes in the environment, and that means micro climates, right, 98 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:14.199 So like, especially when they're in the developmental stage. I mean, 99 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:18.879 like you don't see a mushroom until it is already 100 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:21.399 you know, some of them, depending on the species, can 101 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:25.519 be like five to fourteen days. Like the ovoids that 102 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:29.560 we pick, they take quite a while to go from 103 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:34.439 pinhead to primordia to fully developed. So like when I'm 104 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:37.720 watching patches out there I'll see things that are pinning 105 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:42.759 and forming primordia, and I know that they'll be like 106 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:47.279 seven to ten days before they're fully developed. It depends 107 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:50.319 a lot on temperature. The thing with the morning dew, 108 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:52.639 what happens in the morning with the dew is that 109 00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:56.120 there is this wicking of moisture. So what mushrooms they love, 110 00:06:56.759 --> 00:07:02.040 most of them really appreciate fluctuating humidity, like they want 111 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:05.160 it to be high humidity, like eighty percent to one 112 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:09.319 hundred percent humidity. But that fluctuation in humility humidity does 113 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:12.639 them a lot of good developmentally. And so you know, 114 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:17.199 the morning dew is that initial like that the cool 115 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:22.199 mornings with that moisture is what signals the initial growth 116 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:26.040 and the pinning of the mushroom. And then as things 117 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:30.560 warm up and that moisture starts to evaporate, then the 118 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:33.560 fruit body will kind of continue to grow immature. So 119 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:38.560 they are developing all day long, but they just seem 120 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:43.639 to come up with the do because their initial response, 121 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:47.680 their initial fruiting response, is due to that fluctuation in 122 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:48.720 temperature and humidity. 123 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:50.720 Oh okay, gotcha. 124 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:52.720 You know it's a science, you know. 125 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:55.560 Oh yeah, there's so much that goes into it. Yeah, 126 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:59.759 the the mushrooms, I've always been really curious. I know 127 00:07:59.839 --> 00:08:03.319 that there are other plants that give off certain like 128 00:08:04.439 --> 00:08:08.480 warnings and like they have like certain survival tactics. You know, 129 00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:12.120 maybe they give off some some kind of poison, like 130 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:15.439 like you know, poison ivy, or maybe have thorns in 131 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:19.079 order to protect themselves. Do you think that the mushrooms 132 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:24.439 developed like this psychoactive ingredient inside of them to ward 133 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:27.600 off other people from eating them or is that something 134 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:29.480 that just naturally occurs in them. 135 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:33.480 I don't think it's to ward off people, because it 136 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:37.240 brings us in. I mean, there is some evidence and 137 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:41.799 it's been suggested that one of the evolutionary benefits of 138 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:45.840 psilocybin in particular is as an insect propellant. And I 139 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:49.200 will say that when I have cultivated psilocybin in the 140 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:52.159 wild or outdoors, or even the wild mushrooms that are 141 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:55.320 harvest they are there are very few bugs that get 142 00:08:55.360 --> 00:08:58.000 to them, right, like oyster mushrooms and chicken on the 143 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:02.000 woods and all that other stuff. Bugs love them. It's 144 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:04.799 not necessarily the case with sil sabin. I also think, 145 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:07.039 you know, there's also another vein of thought that says 146 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:10.360 that silicebn is antibacterial. I personally think it's both. I 147 00:09:10.360 --> 00:09:15.120 think that both are true, and I think there's something 148 00:09:15.399 --> 00:09:24.519 very interesting and worth exploring that this compound is highly 149 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:30.960 psychoactive and is structurally almost identical to serotonin. So perhaps 150 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:35.320 it is a twofold purpose. Perhaps it is a deterrent 151 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:40.159 for bugs in bacteria, and perhaps it is a draw 152 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:44.120 for humans. Perhaps it deters bugs and bacteria so that 153 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:46.639 it can be preserved for humans. You know, the ovoids 154 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:51.240 that I pick, they will literally dry in situ, so 155 00:09:51.519 --> 00:09:55.799 like very often, if the conditions are right, I can 156 00:09:55.840 --> 00:09:58.759 go find these mushrooms and they'll be dried out in 157 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:02.120 the mulch, and I can st will harvest them, clean them, 158 00:10:02.559 --> 00:10:06.759 and use them right so for their entire life cycle. 159 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:10.879 That's unlike I cannot think of any mushroom that I 160 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:13.960 pick in all the dozens of species that I pick, 161 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:20.519 that completely resist decay, especially soft bodied mushrooms. There's like 162 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:25.360 rashi and some of your harder shelf fungus, turkey tail. 163 00:10:25.440 --> 00:10:29.639 That kind of stuff will you know, be bug resistant 164 00:10:29.639 --> 00:10:33.120 for almost its entire life cycle. So let's happen as 165 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:35.519 one of the only, if not the only that I 166 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:36.240 know of it? Does that? 167 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:37.480 Wow? 168 00:10:38.120 --> 00:10:38.360 Man? 169 00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:41.759 That is it's almost like evolved in a sense to 170 00:10:42.279 --> 00:10:45.159 be able to survive. Dude, I've heard of some some 171 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:50.159 wild theories about you know, was it you know, asteroids 172 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:54.480 or aliens or something that brought the mushroom here? Maybe 173 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:57.320 it was maybe it's native you know, to Earth, which 174 00:10:57.639 --> 00:11:01.399 you could suggest that it, you know, probably is most 175 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:05.080 likely considering the uh, the underground network and how all 176 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:07.960 the plants are able to communicate through the mycelial network. 177 00:11:08.039 --> 00:11:10.840 So I don't know what are your theories on that. 178 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:14.720 Is that just like crazy you know, psychedelic thinking, or 179 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:18.919 do you think that it's more natural than anything else? 180 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:19.240 Really? 181 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:21.519 Well, I mean, even if it does come from our space, 182 00:11:21.559 --> 00:11:23.320 it's still natural. It's kind of how I look at it. 183 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:28.720 The question of whether or not it was let's say, 184 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:33.519 manufactured or designed is I think a very interesting one. 185 00:11:34.039 --> 00:11:40.600 I don't have a you know, necessarily a conclusion. But 186 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:47.399 you know, form follows function, right, and so if the 187 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:55.000 mushroom spores are designed like there, their form survives the 188 00:11:55.080 --> 00:12:01.039 vacuum of space, their form survives the radiation of space, right, 189 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:05.240 then that tells me that's also their function. So If 190 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:11.360 these are vanguard species that are moving through interstellar space 191 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:16.360 to land on you know, habitable rocks where they can 192 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:20.360 germinate and form my soylium and then become the foundation 193 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:25.559 of soil and other life, then that's still natural. I 194 00:12:25.559 --> 00:12:30.879 think it's also as we so, do I need to 195 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:34.600 give a precursor or prelude here, I don't. I don't guess. So, 196 00:12:36.039 --> 00:12:40.480 you know part of what psilocybin also does, and this 197 00:12:40.519 --> 00:12:45.120 is being evidenced again. It was already very clearly documented 198 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:49.279 in the forties and fifties, before you know, the drug 199 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:54.120 war burned all of the research. But psilocybin absolutely is 200 00:12:54.240 --> 00:13:03.759 documented at facilitating extrasensory perception esp. What we're now starting 201 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:09.000 to classify in terms of what Steven Greer's thing called 202 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:14.559 What's you get the five CE five. They also facilitate 203 00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:19.240 contact with non human intelligences. And if that is part 204 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:23.639 of if that's the form that provides the function, then 205 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:26.519 I do want to I do want to at least 206 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:30.159 ask the question, what's the intelligent design behind that? 207 00:13:32.399 --> 00:13:35.519 Oh man, let's go I tell you a lot, dude, 208 00:13:35.559 --> 00:13:40.120 I have I've had some wild experiences on a lot 209 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:44.120 of psychedelics, but my most but like my most wild 210 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:47.759 experience was on mushrooms, like one hundred percent. 211 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:49.519 I mean, I share it. 212 00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:50.679 Have you ever shared it here? 213 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:53.720 Oh yeah, plenty of times. I took like a heroic 214 00:13:53.799 --> 00:13:58.480 dosage of mushrooms one night, and it was wild. 215 00:13:58.480 --> 00:13:58.679 You know. 216 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:01.519 I feel like I really connected to nature. I understood 217 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:04.039 the tree huggers and the hippies, like it was all 218 00:14:04.120 --> 00:14:06.600 coming so clear to me. And I went to try 219 00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:08.919 and go lay down to go to sleep. And you 220 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:10.879 know how hard it is to go to sleep whenever 221 00:14:10.919 --> 00:14:14.639 you're tripping balls, especially whenever you take such a high 222 00:14:14.720 --> 00:14:16.960 dosage that you're not accustomed to, you know, And I'm 223 00:14:17.000 --> 00:14:19.679 already a lightweight with everything that I do, so a 224 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:22.960 heroic dosage is like doubly heroic to me, you know, 225 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:26.320 like that's what it feels like. And I was able 226 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:30.720 to not that, I was able to the you can 227 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:35.919 call it like an alien encounter, a god encounter, an 228 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:39.320 angelic encounter, whatever you want to say. But out of nowhere, 229 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:43.840 I started hearing the trumpets like you hear about like 230 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:46.799 divine trumpets, and you know, trumpets from the angels in 231 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:49.759 heaven or what have you. And I didn't grow up 232 00:14:49.759 --> 00:14:53.000 religious like that is not something that I was ever 233 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:57.559 accustomed to. But I heard that there was essentially like 234 00:14:57.639 --> 00:15:03.240 this voice if a trumpet could talk, That's what it 235 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:06.960 felt like. And it was announcing itself as eloheem, but 236 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:10.720 it was like elohem eloheim. And it was the craziest 237 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:13.159 fucking thing. And I knew that I could like, uh, 238 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:16.120 talk back with it, like I could ask it questions 239 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:18.080 and all of this. I was curious, like, is this 240 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:21.759 happening outside of my Like am I hearing this from somewhere? 241 00:15:21.879 --> 00:15:24.320 Or is it happening within me? That's such a weird 242 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:27.240 thing to think, because you know all the thoughts that 243 00:15:27.279 --> 00:15:29.600 you ever have, you know that that's coming from inside 244 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:31.720 your mind. You're never gonna think that your thought is 245 00:15:31.759 --> 00:15:33.559 coming from outside, right. 246 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:35.240 So I'm not sure about that. I don't know how 247 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:36.159 I agree with that anywhere. 248 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:40.320 I mean sometimes sometimes, at least early on my journey, 249 00:15:40.399 --> 00:15:42.360 that's what I always thought anyway, right. 250 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:45.879 Right, It's the standard kind of operation, right that, oh, 251 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:48.919 we think thoughts. But I've come to think that actually 252 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:50.639 maybe we're receiving thoughts. 253 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:52.279 One hundred percent. Yeah. 254 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:54.879 But I mean, look to the lay person who has 255 00:15:54.960 --> 00:15:57.480 never taken like a like a crazy dosage like that. 256 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:01.840 It's a fucking trippy experience, right, It's hard to discern 257 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:03.600 where is this coming from? 258 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:04.039 You know? 259 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:07.720 And so I realized that I was able to ask 260 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:12.519 it questions, and I mean the deepest questions ever. Like 261 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:17.360 the questions and answers of that conversation were so deep 262 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:19.759 that I have a hard time remembering what they were. 263 00:16:20.240 --> 00:16:25.519 Like it was on such a deep philosophical, spiritual level 264 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:29.720 that every single time I asked a question, before I 265 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:32.720 was even done asking the question, the answer was already 266 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:35.679 coming to me, like I didn't even finish the question. 267 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:38.159 Now I'm not I'm not asking these questions out loud, 268 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:40.440 like I'm asking them in my mind. 269 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:44.399 So even before they were able to form. 270 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:47.440 Themselves as questions in my mind, the answer was coming 271 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:50.559 to me like before I could even finish it. And 272 00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:53.039 it was very profound. And I woke up the next 273 00:16:53.159 --> 00:16:56.480 day and I was like, what is this? And and 274 00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:58.879 I remember saying, like, what was that that word that 275 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:00.440 I kept on here in last night? 276 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:02.080 And it was elohem. 277 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:05.119 Now remind you, like I never heard of even the 278 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:08.039 word eloheim in my life, Like I never heard of that, 279 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:12.519 And honestly, I thought that it was Eloheim, like talking 280 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:15.440 about Norse mythology with Hellheim and all the different hymes 281 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:19.000 of the you know, the nine realms or whatever, and 282 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:20.920 and but no, and so I looked it up and 283 00:17:20.960 --> 00:17:24.000 Elohem is like, you know, some people say it's angels, 284 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:27.160 some people say it's the collection of gods or God. 285 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:32.440 And I thought, oh my god, like, how is that possible? 286 00:17:32.920 --> 00:17:37.640 Like me, like, I've heard of other people experiencing you know, 287 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:42.000 like aliens and gods and angels and you know, experiences 288 00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:44.839 with past loved ones and having near death experiences and 289 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:47.359 all this other fun jazz. Never thought that that would 290 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:51.759 ever happened to me. Never, right, Like, it's until it 291 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:55.000 happens to you. It's almost hard to believe whenever somebody 292 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:57.799 else says it, you know, and then it happens, and 293 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:02.079 you're like, oh my god, Like these people are not crazy, 294 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:03.880 you know, not that I ever thought that they were crazy. 295 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:06.839 It was just hard to imagine it actually happening, you know. 296 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:11.720 And so yeah, dude, that was That was my craziest experience. 297 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:17.440 And I mean, I'll never forget it, like it's it 298 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:22.000 was just something that imprinted itself upon my consciousness forever. 299 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:27.000 That's a good one. That's a good one. It highlights 300 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:29.960 a lot, you know. I mean, one of one of 301 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:33.440 the biggest transitions that I've had over the years in 302 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:40.400 working with mushrooms is moving from the skeptical, rational based 303 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:47.359 mindset that this is all some kind of psychological debris 304 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:54.240 that's processing in my mind, to the question of are 305 00:18:54.279 --> 00:18:58.680 there intelligences that are communicating with me? To finally the 306 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:01.799 acceptance of yeah, not only that, but there is an 307 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:09.599 entire ecosystem of spiritual beings metaphysical beings that are around us, 308 00:19:09.759 --> 00:19:13.640 probably all the time, probably right now. Probably just by 309 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:16.599 talking about them, they become aware and they come and 310 00:19:16.640 --> 00:19:20.200 they become closer to us, you know. That's and that 311 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:25.119 then it forces me to reconsider a lot of what 312 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:28.240 I was taught growing up in my religious upbringing, because 313 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:30.519 I was brought up Catholic, and you know, there was 314 00:19:31.640 --> 00:19:34.759 all the baggage that goes with that. But Catholicism and 315 00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:39.480 every religion, you know, has a mystical branch, right, So 316 00:19:39.880 --> 00:19:45.200 there's mystical Catholicism, there is mystical Judaism, there is mystical Islam, 317 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:48.759 and then there are the dogmatic versions that are just 318 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:51.119 like you follow fucking rules or you go to hell. 319 00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:54.680 Yeah yeah, right, right exactly. 320 00:19:55.519 --> 00:19:59.960 And so it's it's been a bit of a reconcil 321 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:03.279 process for me. And really the thing that advanced that 322 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:07.119 was when I started doing group work. For a long time, 323 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:10.480 all of my psychedelic work was just either me alone 324 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:13.720 or me with a buddy. And you know, you have 325 00:20:13.960 --> 00:20:19.400 these experiences within your own self, and they're very easy 326 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:22.240 to dismiss. For one, they're, like you said, they're so 327 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:25.039 powerful that they're easy to forget, right, So you're only 328 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:29.319 kind of hanging on to glimpses of them. And if 329 00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:33.160 you're if you're with another person, then maybe things get weird, 330 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:39.200 but not not usually is there something that's like, uh, 331 00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:42.599 we just got off the reality bus, you know, Like 332 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:46.319 but when I started doing the group ceremonies in Jamaica, 333 00:20:46.359 --> 00:20:52.519 and I you know, I specialized in high dose experiences, 334 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:57.119 you know, five to fifteen grams of groups of ten 335 00:20:57.200 --> 00:21:02.039 to twenty people, and you do that up with any 336 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:04.319 kind of regularity. We were running, we were doing three 337 00:21:04.359 --> 00:21:08.640 retreats a week, two weeks a month, and I saw 338 00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:13.240 paranormal psychic phenomena that just there was no way of 339 00:21:13.279 --> 00:21:16.680 explaining myself around it, you know. It just this is 340 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:20.319 what I'm seeing and other people having these shared experiences, 341 00:21:20.359 --> 00:21:23.480 and then you corroborate and you're like, Okay, I've gotta 342 00:21:23.559 --> 00:21:26.680 I've got to like update my map on reality here. 343 00:21:28.480 --> 00:21:29.720 Oh yeah, dude. 344 00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:33.880 Yeah, reality is constantly shifting the more you like uncover it. 345 00:21:34.079 --> 00:21:36.039 And I think that that's that's part of the beauty 346 00:21:36.039 --> 00:21:39.680 of life in general, because it really like like life 347 00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:42.599 can really be whatever you want it to be, and 348 00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:46.119 even even even the things you don't want it to be, 349 00:21:46.279 --> 00:21:49.440 if you believe it to be that then it almost 350 00:21:49.559 --> 00:21:54.400 is that it's so weird that reality is almost like reality. 351 00:21:54.559 --> 00:21:58.119 The way that I've began to understand it is that 352 00:21:58.279 --> 00:22:04.160 reality is essentially a projection from our inner world, you know. 353 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:06.960 And that's a bit of a brain fuck because now 354 00:22:07.079 --> 00:22:11.440 it causes you to, you know, be be more aware 355 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:13.880 of the thoughts that you have and be aware of 356 00:22:13.920 --> 00:22:17.359 the thought processes that you have. Otherwise they will what 357 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:20.920 we they'll do what we call manifest in reality. But 358 00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:25.319 it's not necessarily even manifesting. It's just projecting from your 359 00:22:25.359 --> 00:22:28.440 inner reality. Is the way that I've begun to understand it. 360 00:22:28.799 --> 00:22:32.359 Yeah, now I saw that very clearly with my arrest. 361 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:39.160 You know, I spent what was it like twenty twenty thirteen, 362 00:22:39.279 --> 00:22:43.079 I guess is when I started selling mushrooms on the underground, 363 00:22:43.720 --> 00:22:47.359 and then in twenty fifteen we were arrested. And I mean, 364 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:50.880 it's hard to not be paranoid when you're, you know, 365 00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:58.880 slinging shrooms illegally. And the night that led to our arrest, 366 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:02.920 it was like, as I saw all the things unfolding, 367 00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:06.319 I was like, it was like, this is your inner 368 00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:09.559 world happening, or right before you eyes, this is all 369 00:23:09.599 --> 00:23:12.960 the shit that you've been worried about, now here it is. 370 00:23:13.839 --> 00:23:15.640 And so I think that's one of the most potent 371 00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:18.400 things that psychedelics do. And we're not yet having that 372 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:23.599 conversation much around psychedelics, but there are powerful tools not 373 00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:27.480 only for this concept of manifestation, but for getting a 374 00:23:27.559 --> 00:23:32.039 grip on what it is that we're manifesting, understanding why 375 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:35.519 your life is so blessed, or why it's a shit show, 376 00:23:35.680 --> 00:23:37.680 or why it is what it is, because then you 377 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:42.200 see like, oh, whoa, this is my inner world that's 378 00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:47.079 staring back at me, looking like the X of the 379 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:47.799 outer world. 380 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:48.680 Dude. 381 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:52.720 It is such a trip and dude, this is literally 382 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:57.480 like what helped inspire this podcast in general was trying 383 00:23:57.519 --> 00:24:01.359 to understand the deeper mysteries of excus you know, Like 384 00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:04.519 I think that there's too many people that just take 385 00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:08.319 somebody else's word for what this reality is without experiencing 386 00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:11.759 it themselves, and that is such I believe it is 387 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:14.559 such a disservice to whatever you want to call it, 388 00:24:14.599 --> 00:24:18.799 yourself or God or the universe. Like I think that 389 00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:23.680 in order to understand the world, like people, you know, 390 00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:27.000 they want to understand history, they want to understand philosophy, 391 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:30.440 they want to understand science, they want to understand mathematics 392 00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:33.160 and all of this other stuff, the best way to 393 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:36.039 understand the nature of your reality is to go in. 394 00:24:36.440 --> 00:24:39.839 And that's exactly what the mushrooms will definitely make you do. 395 00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:42.480 Like there is no escaping that, amen. 396 00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:44.359 I mean that's that's the premise of the book that 397 00:24:44.359 --> 00:24:48.000 I'm writing right now, I am. I expect to be 398 00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:51.720 publishing it in September, mid to late September. It's called 399 00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:55.400 the Psychedlic Reformation, and that is the entire premises that 400 00:24:55.799 --> 00:25:00.200 we while the science is great, psychedelic therapy is right. 401 00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:05.359 Ultimately what this work is all about, is your connection 402 00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:09.559 with the ineffable, the mystery, and that all of that 403 00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:13.559 external deliberating over what it is and what they do. 404 00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:17.119 Like that's just fun, but it's kind of mental masturbation. 405 00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:21.759 Go ahead and like make love with the divine, merge 406 00:25:21.799 --> 00:25:26.599 with the infinite by going into yourself and exploring and 407 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:30.119 coming out with your own answers rather than taking someone 408 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:34.559 else's trip report as like your basis for understanding reality. 409 00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:36.839 And when I say trip report, I mean like the 410 00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:43.160 science like this has the potential to get criticized. I'm 411 00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:46.400 not against science. Science is incredible. Like we're here on 412 00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:49.279 computers talking to each other from across the country on 413 00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:51.920 microphones and like this is amazing. I love it. I 414 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:55.480 fucking love technology. I'm not shitting on AI. I think 415 00:25:55.839 --> 00:26:00.359 AI is helping me so much every day. And like 416 00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:04.160 there is a world of mystery that can never be 417 00:26:04.359 --> 00:26:09.519 understood in a ones and zeros that can never be 418 00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:14.000 put into words, and that is probably the most important 419 00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:15.720 aspect of life. 420 00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:20.960 Yes, it is. The ineffable is exactly right. And science. 421 00:26:21.079 --> 00:26:23.799 I think that there are people that have almost turned 422 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:28.039 science into religion and say, well, there's only scientific proof 423 00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:31.200 that this is that and almost worshiping it as if 424 00:26:31.240 --> 00:26:35.880 God has pronounced it right. And it's crazy because science 425 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:42.319 typically only dives into Sorry, there's somebody cutting grass right 426 00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:46.079 outside of my window, so that's lovely. But from what 427 00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:49.160 I've been able to find is that science deals mainly 428 00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:54.680 in the material physical world, right, Like it completely almost 429 00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:59.359 like forgets that there is a whole other part of 430 00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:00.799 this experience. 431 00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:03.720 Ignores it. It ignores that there's a whole other part, 432 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:07.440 right Like if you can't count it, then it doesn't count. 433 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:11.440 Like that's just false premise from the get you know, 434 00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:13.720 I mean, what you're talking about is what I understand 435 00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:19.440 as scientism, right This this belief that this these slogans 436 00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:24.480 trust the science like no science, real science doesn't trust itself. 437 00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:27.640 That is what science is. Science is not trying to 438 00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:31.400 prove itself right. It's trying to prove itself wrong. You 439 00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:34.160 have theories and you test them over and over and over, 440 00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:37.799 trying to prove your theory wrong. That is the essence 441 00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:40.559 of good science, which is what we meant we're missing 442 00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:45.039 out on, you know, Like there's a I have a 443 00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:47.440 great amount of respect for this individual, and I'm still 444 00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:50.240 going to criticize because or I'm going to comment on it. 445 00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:53.240 But Robin Carhart Haris is one of the leading psychedelic 446 00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:55.880 researchers right is over with the Imperial College London. He's 447 00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:58.960 been doing fantastic work helping him to bring brain science 448 00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:02.880 around psychedelics to the public for probably ten or twenty 449 00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:09.039 years now. He just published a book called How Psychedelics Work. And, 450 00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:14.839 like the title itself, is like a disservice because we 451 00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:18.119 don't even know how the brain works, and you're gonna 452 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:22.119 tell me that we're gonna talk about how psychedelics work. 453 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:26.559 I mean, again, I love the work, but that is 454 00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:32.079 a perspective of scientism that the current science is the 455 00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:34.799 be all, end all truth. This is, no, we don't 456 00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:38.079 know how psychedelics work. We have a very limited understanding 457 00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:41.599 of the thing that they're working on. We actually beyond that. 458 00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:44.640 We think that psychedelics are working on the brain, and 459 00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:46.759 that's just part of what they're working on. We have 460 00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:51.160 serotonin receptors all over our body. We have this energetic 461 00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:54.720 field that is more a part of who we are 462 00:28:55.240 --> 00:29:00.000 than our physical body, and that is being impacted by psychedelics. 463 00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:05.400 So yeah, I love it and I laugh at it. 464 00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:08.799 All at the same time, Oh dude, and it's it's wild. 465 00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:13.480 Like the people who you know, and I used to 466 00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:15.519 have a real hard bone to pick. I still kind 467 00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:19.680 of do with the people that I don't even like 468 00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:24.960 to use the word atheistic because I don't believe in 469 00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:28.079 God as a separate entity, Like I believe that it's 470 00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:32.519 all one giant thing and it is itself, is experiencing 471 00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:35.920 what it's like to be each individual in each blade 472 00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:38.720 of grass, each mushroom. That's kind of, you know, my 473 00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:42.759 pantheistic view on the nature of reality. But I feel 474 00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:44.720 like there are there are people out there that just 475 00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:49.880 don't like they just completely dismiss everything that is mystical, 476 00:29:50.079 --> 00:29:55.039 everything that is like magical, you know, they call things 477 00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:58.480 coincidences instead of synchronicities. They say, oh, well, that was 478 00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:00.400 just a one off kind of thing, and that wasn't 479 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:03.720 really that special, even though a lot of the synchronicities 480 00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:07.880 that happen typically in your life are damn near mathematically 481 00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.480 impossible to happen, right right, I mean, certain things are 482 00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:17.400 just there's I mean, I guess in in an infinite universe, 483 00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:21.480 all things are possible, but it's the timing that really 484 00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:22.400 makes them special. 485 00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:27.160 Right, and that the timing and the personal ability, like 486 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:30.160 when these things happen, and you know, I'm not gonna 487 00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:32.640 try to rack my brain through different things. There's so 488 00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:34.640 many things that have happened to me that have been 489 00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:39.960 hyper specific to me in the circumstance I was in 490 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:42.960 the timing of it all. And you can look at 491 00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:45.480 that and say that it's some kind of pattern recognition 492 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:47.519 or that we're seeing we want to what we want 493 00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:52.240 to see. But when you there, there are numerous instances 494 00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:57.480 that are just they're so from out of nowhere. I'll 495 00:30:57.480 --> 00:30:59.680 share one real quick that that is it was one 496 00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:02.000 of my profound iburban experiences popped in my head. So 497 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:04.519 we're sitting in a we did a ceremony in Jamaica. 498 00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:06.480 We had I don't know, fifteen or twenty people down there, 499 00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:09.279 and there was a guy there who his brother had 500 00:31:09.319 --> 00:31:11.240 taken his own life. This guy was probably in his 501 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:14.799 late sixties or so. His brother was ten years younger 502 00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:17.440 than him and had just recently taken his own life 503 00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:19.279 and he came to Jamaica because he wanted to kind 504 00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:21.880 of process this trauma, right, And so he gets down 505 00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:25.519 there and this guy was a staunch materialist who's an atheist. 506 00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:31.440 No God, no nothing, just ones and zeros. But his 507 00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:38.880 deceased brother's wife widow was a very spiritual person, and 508 00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:42.680 she used to tell this guy, we'll call him Jerry. 509 00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:45.880 I forget his name, little call him Jerry. She told 510 00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:48.680 Jerry that whenever she saw a hummingbird that she thought 511 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:51.880 it was her ex husband or her deceased husband coming 512 00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:54.960 to visit her. And Jerry was like, aye, bullshit. You know, 513 00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:56.759 I know she wants that to be the case, but 514 00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:58.720 it's just like, come on, it's just like you're just 515 00:31:58.759 --> 00:32:02.079 wishful thinking here. And so he goes into this mushroom, 516 00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:09.039 his third mushroom ceremony, and he feels like his brother 517 00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:11.759 is there with him. Okay, he doesn't say this the 518 00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:13.920 day of. We go back into the integration the next 519 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:17.599 day and we're all sitting in this big cabana, twenty 520 00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:21.000 participants in seven SpaceHolders. There are like twenty seven people 521 00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:23.880 of us there and this big circular cabana. We're all 522 00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:28.359 sitting in a circle doing our integration conversation and he's 523 00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:31.680 talking about how, yeah, you know, yesterday I felt like 524 00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:33.440 my brother was there for a little bit, and I 525 00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:35.720 was just like, oh, this is just my memory of him. 526 00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:38.559 And so he started talking about it and dismissing it. 527 00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:42.119 As he was talking about it. As he was talking 528 00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:48.359 about it, a hummingbird flew under the cabana, flew right 529 00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:52.240 up to his face. And I've never seen this in 530 00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:54.960 my entire life, and I'll probably never see it again. 531 00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:59.839 This hummingbird flew the entire circle, face to face with 532 00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:03.880 every fucking person there until it got back to him, 533 00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:10.000 and then it flew off. What Yeah, And he was 534 00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:13.160 that And it wasn't until then that he told us, gosh, 535 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:15.640 I got chills now. It wasn't until then after that 536 00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:19.000 happened that he said, Wow, my sister you know, has 537 00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:21.759 said that she thinks that when she sees hummingbirds it's her. 538 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:27.079 And everybody's like Jerry, He's like, oh well, I'm like, 539 00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:29.839 oh my god, dude, how much does it? How much 540 00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:31.839 more can it smack you in the face? 541 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:32.519 Rightly? 542 00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:36.039 And then like literally? And the thing that to me 543 00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:41.200 that is really profound about that about these things, these synchronicities, 544 00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:44.920 when they happen, it's that, yes, in that immediate time 545 00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:49.000 and space, the things like everything came together at the 546 00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:55.000 right time. But to even consider for a moment. All 547 00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:57.359 of the things that had to line up for the 548 00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:02.680 past two days, two weeks, two twenty years, two hundred 549 00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:06.799 all the things throughout history that have lined up for 550 00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:11.960 that exact moment to happen when it did, is a 551 00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:15.639 little overwhelming at times to think about. So like, we 552 00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:20.679 live in this incredible mystery that we will never get 553 00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:24.719 to fully understand, but we can so fully experience if 554 00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:27.159 we will just give ourselves over to it and stop 555 00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:30.679 that doubt. That is the core of what you're talking about. 556 00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:35.639 Oh man, what a fascinating story. I love whenever stuff 557 00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:38.360 like that happens, especially to people that think it's all 558 00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:42.360 you know, gayzy, it's not real, right, and then they 559 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:48.400 experience it and it literally causes a entire rewire of 560 00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:52.280 their thought process, Like, all right, that was really strange 561 00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:55.360 that that happened, and it was too personal just to 562 00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:57.840 write it off and say that it was just a 563 00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:03.320 random thing to happen because hummingbirds going around in a circle, Like, 564 00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:06.480 what are the odds of that ever happening? Especially when 565 00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:10.480 we said at that moment, that is insane. 566 00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:13.079 Like we all sat there just like is this really happening, 567 00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:17.119 looking at each other, just like what, Yeah, And I've 568 00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:20.039 seen so many things like that. I mean, mushrooms just 569 00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:23.639 absolutely what's this is why I understand them as a 570 00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:27.119 sacrament at this point, because they open us up to 571 00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:31.800 this other world. There is another world, There are other 572 00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:37.320 worlds that are interfacing with ours, and this gift of 573 00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:40.719 nature or gift of the gods or however it got 574 00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:43.880 to be here is actually an interface for us. 575 00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:46.400 Oh yeah, yeah. 576 00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:50.360 And it's so weird too because it's it It doesn't 577 00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:55.079 even seem foreign. It seems like something that you know, 578 00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:58.639 we remember, but we don't know how or why we 579 00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:02.079 remember it, you know. And that's that's the thing that 580 00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:06.119 really will get you. You know, like if it is 581 00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:09.199 something that has never happened and you've never experienced it, 582 00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:12.280 whether here or you know, on the astral plane or 583 00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:14.760 as a spirit or whatever. If it's something that you've 584 00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:18.119 literally never experienced, then why does it feel that it 585 00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:21.599 resonates at such a deep level and that it causes 586 00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:26.360 you to unfold and you know, open up your mind 587 00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:29.199 in such a deeper way to in order to help 588 00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:33.400 you like understand everything else that's going on around here. 589 00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:37.880 Like it causes you some wild some wild thought processes. 590 00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:40.440 And I'll give you an example. So this wasn't on 591 00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:43.639 psychedelics or anything like that. But I used to have 592 00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:46.800 a conspiracy podcast and I did it for five years. 593 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:48.480 It was called It's Still Going. 594 00:36:48.559 --> 00:36:50.719 It's called the Cult of Conspiracy Podcast, and we talked 595 00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:52.639 about a bevy of conspiracies. 596 00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:53.519 It was always wild. 597 00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:58.800 But my co host is like basically a fundamentalist Christian, right, 598 00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:01.280 and so it was always interesting to have that back 599 00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:03.760 and forth, you know, kind of like the mystical mind 600 00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:06.400 versus the Christian you know, dogmatic mind. 601 00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:08.760 And I don't hate on them for it. 602 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:11.199 You know, we would have our battles back and forth, 603 00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:13.880 and a lot of times anytime I started talking about 604 00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:18.480 anything spiritual or anything extra dimensional or anything like that, 605 00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:21.000 it was just it would either go in one ear 606 00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:23.800 and out the other, or it would cause some kind 607 00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:26.159 of disturbance and then I would be called crazy, right, 608 00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:30.639 And so I I really I always tried to prove 609 00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:33.440 to him that, like, there is another layer that is 610 00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:35.760 stacked up on top of reality. And some people call 611 00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:38.079 them spirits, some people call them ancestors, some people call 612 00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:39.559 them gods, some people call them aliens. 613 00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:41.159 Maybe it's all. Maybe it's everything. 614 00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:44.719 Maybe it's just another realm of consciousness that hasn't descended 615 00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:48.159 into the physical plane, right, it could be something like that. 616 00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:49.719 And and he. 617 00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:51.880 Was just like, I don't know, dude, I don't know. 618 00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:56.039 And so there was one time and he had to go. 619 00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:00.039 So he does the night fighting, like you know, dressing 620 00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:02.760 up and like knight armor and you know, swords and 621 00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:03.559 they're blunted. 622 00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:04.920 Yeah. 623 00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:08.079 Yeah, and but it's like real battering, like it's not 624 00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:11.599 you know, the fake stuff, and dude, it's wild. It's 625 00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:14.280 I mean, the swords aren't allowed to be sharp. It's 626 00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:19.440 more just for the battering, right, and like like if 627 00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:22.119 you fall down then you're out. It's one of those 628 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:24.079 things to where if you fall down to your knees 629 00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:27.960 then you're done. So all right, dude, it's fucking insane. 630 00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:32.519 It is insane. And I love going to those. They're awesome, 631 00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:35.719 especially whenever they got like the the I don't know 632 00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:39.480 what they're called. Basically like big groups will get into 633 00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:44.639 this ring together, right, and and it's like teams, so 634 00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:47.079 you're going after the other team and you're just trying 635 00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:49.159 to batter them and beat the ever living ship out 636 00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:52.360 of them, like with with axes and pots and pans 637 00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.039 and swords and literally, I mean, and you're wearing armor, 638 00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:58.719 but you're still feeling the shock of that, like you know, 639 00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:01.599 there's there's something more to it. But so anyway, we 640 00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:03.280 were going up to one of his events, and I 641 00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:07.199 think that it was up in like like South Carolina, 642 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:11.320 I want to say, somewhere northern. We're well, not that, 643 00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:13.800 not South Carolina's northern, but it's north from us. We're 644 00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:19.079 from Louisiana. So we are we're getting ready to go 645 00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:21.320 up to this event. And the event is gonna be 646 00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:24.159 held later on in the day, like around five or 647 00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:26.840 seven or something like that. And so since it was 648 00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:29.079 gonna be a long drive, we decided to leave at 649 00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:30.840 like three or four in the morning to make that 650 00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:34.360 drive up to South Carolina. And and so there's nobody 651 00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:36.880 on the road like around three or four in the morning, 652 00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:41.199 you know, on like on really any night, you know, 653 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:45.760 And so we decided we were gonna leave around that time. 654 00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:48.280 And so we stopped over at this Circle K gas station, 655 00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:51.000 and we hadn't gone to sleep. We were just gonna 656 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:53.119 pull an all night or drink some energy drinks and 657 00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:57.159 fucking hustle it out right and and we went into 658 00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:00.320 this this circle K gas station, circle K seven to 659 00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:03.239 eleven something like that, and I was telling him. I 660 00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:05.800 was like, dude, I'm telling you, there's this one number 661 00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:09.400 that just follows me everywhere, like everywhere I look. It 662 00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:11.599 is the craziest thing. And I've always been, you know, 663 00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:14.599 real curious about what the meaning of it was, you know, 664 00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:17.079 because you know, could it just be some kind of 665 00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:21.079 paradolia or my mind remembering patterns and it causes some 666 00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:25.239 kind of trigger psychologically or whatever. I've always been able to, like, 667 00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:28.480 I've always tried to understand what all that means. And 668 00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:31.159 it's literally followed me around since I was like fourteen 669 00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:34.480 years old, Like it's crazy, and that number is nine 670 00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:37.199 twenty two, right, and I've always tried to figure out 671 00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:40.840 what the hell that means. And so anyway, I'm telling 672 00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:43.119 him about this, and he's like, oh, yeah, whatever. You know, 673 00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:45.280 he don't believe in any of that numerology or any 674 00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:48.639 of that you know, spiritual kind of nonsense as he 675 00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:51.440 would call it. And so I'm telling him about this 676 00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:54.039 in this gas station as we're getting ready to get 677 00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:56.760 back out on the road, and and I'm like, dude, 678 00:40:56.760 --> 00:40:59.480 I'm telling you, it's fucking following me everywhere. And I'll 679 00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:01.800 tell you. I was like, I told him, I was like, 680 00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:04.840 I guarantee you, we will see that number on a 681 00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:07.960 license plate, on a billboard something like that on this trip. 682 00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:10.599 I guarantee you, and we'll probably see it multiple times. 683 00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:11.079 I told him that. 684 00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:13.199 He was like, Okay, well whatever. He was kind of 685 00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:17.000 just dismissing it. And so we get on the road 686 00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:18.960 and you know, at three or four in the morning, 687 00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:21.719 there's hardly any cars on the road, but there was 688 00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:24.119 one car on the road, one car on the road 689 00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:26.039 as soon as we got on the interstate, and the 690 00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:29.000 license plate said nine to twenty two. The first car, 691 00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:31.880 the only car on the entire interstate was nine to 692 00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:33.719 twenty two. And I told him, I was like, dude, 693 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:36.280 wasn't I just telling you? I literally just told him 694 00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:39.800 this five minutes ago, and here it is. And so, 695 00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:42.159 I mean, I don't think it opened him up, but 696 00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:44.840 he probably just saw it as a weird coincidence or 697 00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:47.559 a weird one off. But I'm like, man, how many 698 00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:52.159 mystical you know, mathematically damn near impossible things need to 699 00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:54.159 happen to you in order for you to wake up 700 00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:57.840 that there's some other like weird spiritual layer that is 701 00:41:57.920 --> 00:41:59.880 laid on top of us. 702 00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:02.360 You know, It's it's strange. 703 00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:07.159 Whenever it's like how much needs to happen in order 704 00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:08.480 people to wake up. 705 00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:11.159 It's ironic that he would be a religious person and 706 00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:15.559 not able to see that, right, Like, similar to scientism, 707 00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:21.119 religion can prevent us from actually seeing the spirit world 708 00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:26.280 the dogma of religion. So I think that's very interesting, 709 00:42:26.320 --> 00:42:30.760 and I have I have a number of friends that 710 00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:33.719 are similar. You know, it's like, I don't know, Bud, 711 00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:35.679 I can't If you can't see it, I sure as 712 00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:37.199 hell can show you at this point. 713 00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:40.519 Yeah yeah, And so I've I've actually gotten to this 714 00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:45.599 place where I'm not even necessarily trying to argue or 715 00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:49.079 battle or do anything like that anymore. With the people 716 00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:52.280 who are dogmatic, it's like, look, I mean, you probably 717 00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:54.719 chose this this life in the first place. 718 00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:59.519 Maybe you needed to learn it's hard less. Oh yeah, yeah. 719 00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:02.360 Right, yeah, well it's all in God's plan or whatever. Okay, 720 00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:06.199 It's like, you know, in my favorite one of my 721 00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:09.199 favorite quotes is my Carl Jung, and he said, uh, 722 00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:12.599 until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your 723 00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:15.159 life and you'll call it fate, right, And I believe 724 00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:17.400 that that so many people are living by that and 725 00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:20.800 allowing life to happen to them, or not even necessarily 726 00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:24.400 allowing it, but almost to their own detriment, at the 727 00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:27.519 will of God or at the will of life. And 728 00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:29.719 they don't understand that you can work with it, that 729 00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:33.039 it's it's something, that it is a it is a 730 00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:33.840 team effort. 731 00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:34.360 You know. 732 00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:36.760 It feels like yes, I mean that's. 733 00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:40.079 It's all buried in the in their Bible as well, 734 00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:43.400 you know, like this whole like when Moses meets the 735 00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:46.320 burning Bush, which you know, the d mt Acacia, But 736 00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:49.599 you know he says, I am that I am like 737 00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:56.920 your I am is the most powerful co creative consciousness. 738 00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:01.400 Whatever we say I am to is what we are becoming. 739 00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:04.840 It's and it's all right there. So you know, I've 740 00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:09.719 recently been studying Kabbalah because it is this mystical interpretation 741 00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:12.559 of the Bible, which for a long time I just 742 00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:16.320 completely abandoned the Bible. I studied it deeply for many years, 743 00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:19.480 and then I just completely left it behind. And now 744 00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:23.440 I've been revisiting it through this lens, and there's an 745 00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:28.400 incredible amount of mysticism that is like hidden in plain 746 00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:34.239 sight within popular religion. So it's fascinating to me how 747 00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:38.320 it's h how many people can like go to church 748 00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:41.800 and show up and go through the motions, like even 749 00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:46.320 like like if Jesus, if the story of Jesus isn't 750 00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:52.639 a story of mystical, otherworldly interdimensional stuff that I you 751 00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:55.519 know what else is Like this dude comes back from 752 00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:57.559 the dead and you can put your fingers in his 753 00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:01.679 hands or whatever, like he turned you know, three fish 754 00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:05.480 into a thousand and all this like and so like 755 00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:07.920 and then he even says, like the things that I 756 00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:09.800 can do, you can do even greater. 757 00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:13.960 And then yeah, so anyway, well that's not what he meant. 758 00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:16.440 He was just being nice. 759 00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:17.960 It was a metaphor. 760 00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:19.599 Yeah, it's funny. 761 00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:22.639 I always I always love whenever people say that, well 762 00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:26.400 that's a metaphor. But like the building of the arc 763 00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:29.360 and two of every animal, isn't you know. It's like 764 00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:31.079 the craziest things. 765 00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:36.559 Though, that they're they're showing this boat in Mount uh 766 00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:41.800 error Rat. There's this they've they have found this shell 767 00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:46.199 of a boat on the mountain. That's like they've done 768 00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:49.159 the the scans of it where you can see like 769 00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:51.880 rooms and everything in it and even that, Like, so 770 00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:55.400 the deal with that, It's like that story did not 771 00:45:55.480 --> 00:46:00.480 start in the Bible. That story goes back to the 772 00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:03.719 epic of Gilgamish and back into the Sumerian tales. So 773 00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:07.559 like this idea that the Bible is the be the 774 00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:12.199 beginning of our story, when it is, we can see 775 00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:17.119 with documented that these stories were lifted from a culture 776 00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:19.719 long before the Bible existed. 777 00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:23.639 Oh yeah, the Bible is definitely an amalgamation of so 778 00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:28.159 many different you know, religious and spiritual histories. And dude, 779 00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:30.239 even you were talking about the you know, the burning 780 00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:32.880 bush with the acacia and stuff like that. I mean 781 00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:35.599 to go along with that, how about the Arc of 782 00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:38.760 the Covenant. Arc of Arc of the Covenant is built 783 00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:40.039 entirely of acacia. 784 00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:42.280 Wood, acacia would and there's mushrooms inside of it. You 785 00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:45.639 know that the story, So the story of the Arc 786 00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:48.880 of the Cone. So you know, I got really deeply 787 00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:51.639 involved in Rosta. That's how I actually got to Jamaica 788 00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:55.199 as I was when I left Catholic Church. I got 789 00:46:55.400 --> 00:46:56.800 got deep into Rosta. 790 00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:59.079 Yeah, I saw your dreads due that was awesome. 791 00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:03.960 And so anyway, there's like at the same time when 792 00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:06.880 I was getting into Rasta and studying the Bible, was 793 00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:09.480 also in ninety nine two thousand and when I was 794 00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:14.400 getting deep into mushrooms, and I remember reading about like 795 00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:17.079 all these different herbs and things that were mentioned in 796 00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:21.559 the Bible. And I asked this biblical scholar one time 797 00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:23.480 because I was so deep in mushrooms, it's like, so 798 00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:25.519 if if all these plants are in the Bible, and 799 00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:31.239 mushrooms are obviously really important, like they're an important food source, 800 00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:35.719 they're psychedelic there, medicinal, like there's I said, we're mushrooms 801 00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:39.400 in the Bible, and this person laughed at me, and 802 00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:41.840 then so like, I don't know, it's right around the 803 00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:44.400 same time, it's all talking about synchronicity, all having very 804 00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:48.360 much in close succession where I was reading the story 805 00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:52.719 in Deuteronomy of the Israelites lost in the wilderness, right, 806 00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:55.039 and so they're out in the wilderness and you even 807 00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:59.159 already kind of give a prelude to this. It says 808 00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:01.679 that when they were in the wilderness and they're you know, 809 00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:04.760 giving Moses grief for taking them out in the wilderness, 810 00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:08.639 and you know, Moses had come from this Egyptian high 811 00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:13.920 priest culture. The Egyptian high priests, we know, had knowledge 812 00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:17.039 of mushrooms. There's higher gloves. It's all you know. It's 813 00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:21.800 depicted there. And so Moses out in the wilderness with him, 814 00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:24.400 and he says, you know, y'all, hill out tomorrow there 815 00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:26.679 will be bread for you to eat. Tonight they'll be quail. 816 00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:28.599 Tomorrow it'll be bread. So apparently the story says the 817 00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:30.639 quail came down that night, and the next morning they 818 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:35.239 woke up and there were white loaves all around the ground, right, 819 00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:39.679 And it says that these white loaves came with the 820 00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:42.360 dew when they withered in the sun, and they were 821 00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:47.960 instructed to collect no more than they could eat for 822 00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:50.440 the day, except for on the eve of the sabbath. 823 00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:54.320 They could collect enough to consume on the sabbath. But 824 00:48:54.440 --> 00:48:57.719 in order to store them they had to slice them 825 00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:02.440 and dry them or parboil them. And if they did 826 00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:06.400 not do that, then they bread worms and stank. These 827 00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:10.480 these loaves of bread bread worms and stink. Okay, So 828 00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:12.360 they came with the dew they withered in the sun, 829 00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:16.000 got if they sliced them and dried them, were parboiled them, 830 00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:17.960 then they were safe to eat, but if they didn't 831 00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:21.159 then they would erupt in maggots. At the same time, 832 00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:25.000 I just started getting into wild mushroom hunting, and you 833 00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:27.280 know rostas, so I smoke them out of weed. And 834 00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:29.039 so I go out one day and I pick a 835 00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:31.760 bunch of mushrooms. I put them on my table. I 836 00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:35.679 got like puffball mushrooms and all kinds of mushrooms, leave 837 00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:39.320 them on the table, smoke a big joint, fall asleep 838 00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:42.199 on my couch. Wake up the next morning and these 839 00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:45.960 mushrooms on my table had erupted in maggots. Win I 840 00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:51.559 was like, oh shit. They bread worms and stink. There 841 00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:55.360 are fly eggs inside the mushrooms and if you don't 842 00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:58.599 dry them, if you leave them sitting out at room temperature, 843 00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:04.440 they will irrupt in maggots. And so come to find 844 00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:07.559 out like puffball mushrooms. You know puffball mushrooms, the little 845 00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:10.679 round they look like a fucking loaf of bread. They 846 00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:13.840 just look like a white loaf of yeast bread. They 847 00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:16.960 actually grow in that area. There is a variety of 848 00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:20.559 mushroom called the desert truffle that's actually a puffball that 849 00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:23.599 grows in the Sinai region and it's sold in markets 850 00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:27.960 over there, and so mana the word. There's a lot 851 00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:30.880 of there's some controversy around this, but from the Bible 852 00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:33.400 says they called it mana because they didn't know what 853 00:50:33.480 --> 00:50:37.639 it was, right. I thought all along that that meant 854 00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:42.239 mana meant we don't know what it is, like supposedly 855 00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:45.559 kangaroo in Aborigine means we don't know what to fuck 856 00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:49.760 this thing is, right, and so, but from what I've 857 00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:52.480 come to understand that the true interpretation is that the 858 00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:57.239 word mana is a borrowed word from Syria and culture 859 00:50:57.320 --> 00:51:02.320 that means mushroom or fungus. Okay, So they sliced, they 860 00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:07.079 were instructed to put parts of dried pieces of manna 861 00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:11.119 in the arc of the Covenant to remember when they 862 00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:15.719 were saved from the wilderness. Right. The only other place 863 00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:19.400 where manna is mentioned in the Bible is in Revelation. 864 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:21.760 I mean, there's other places where it's mentioned, but it's 865 00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:24.400 always mentioned in reference to that original story, and it 866 00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:27.480 says in those reference points, and it says that God 867 00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:30.679 gave them the food of angels to eat, right, Mana 868 00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:33.920 being the food of angels all around the world before 869 00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:40.559 any any colonialism happened. Mushrooms were called the food of spirits, 870 00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:42.639 the food of angels, the food of gods. Even in 871 00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:47.079 Jamaica they called mushrooms duppy food, which means spirit food. Okay. 872 00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:50.519 So there's always been this tradition that mushrooms are food 873 00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:56.840 for spirit beings, okay, And so they called this thing Mana. 874 00:51:57.920 --> 00:51:59.960 And then later so then it goes talk about this 875 00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:03.639 this whole like references food to the angels in Revelation, 876 00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:07.960 it comes back and says that basically in the end 877 00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:14.000 times that or you know what, we that whole interpretation 878 00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:16.000 is fucked up. I don't believe anywhere that we're like, 879 00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:19.519 the revelation means the end of the world, right, revelation 880 00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:20.679 means the revealing. 881 00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:21.519 It revealed. 882 00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:24.719 The apocalypse means the revealing, right, which is what we're 883 00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:27.239 witnessing right now. And it says in there that at 884 00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:32.119 this time that when the King of Kings comes, that 885 00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:35.880 he will reveal the hidden Manna. Okay. And there's this 886 00:52:35.960 --> 00:52:39.960 whole whole thing about that. As I'm studying Rasta and 887 00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:41.960 I'm seeing this, I don't know what you know about Rosta, 888 00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:44.280 but like the foundation of Rosta is that there is 889 00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:47.079 this Ethiopian Emperor highly Selassie, which is where the Ark 890 00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:49.639 of the Covenants are reported to be stored. Graham Hancock 891 00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:51.119 did this whole thing on it. You can go check 892 00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:54.000 it out. It's amazing. There's this temple out in the 893 00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:56.400 middle of nowhere, Ethiopia that had been tried to They've 894 00:52:56.440 --> 00:52:58.880 tried to invade it. The Italians tried to invade it 895 00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:00.800 in World War Two and could get into it. But 896 00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:03.639 it's supposedly where the original arc of the Covenant is 897 00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:09.880 and the Kings of Ethiopia who are descendants of Solomon, 898 00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:12.760 right there was a lineage two hundred and twenty five 899 00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:17.480 generations from King Solomon where him and the Queen of Ethiopia, 900 00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:20.599 Sheba at that time, supposedly had a child, and the 901 00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:26.679 Ark of the Covenant went from Solomon to Ethiopia. From 902 00:53:26.719 --> 00:53:29.880 that time, the kings of Ethiopia have been called the 903 00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:32.519 King of Kings, all the titles that the Book of 904 00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:38.000 Revelation talks about, and nobody really knew that until in 905 00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:41.480 the thirties when Hyley Selassie became King of Ethiopia and 906 00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:44.920 there was this kind of like the world's attention was 907 00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:49.199 brought to Ethiopia is a place, and so that's when 908 00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:53.480 we started to see in large scale that there was 909 00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:59.519 this tradition of a Solemnic dynasty, a dividic dynasty, in 910 00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:04.199 carrying the titles King of Kings, Lord of Lords, conquering 911 00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:06.280 the line of Judah, all the stuff that's said in 912 00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:11.639 the Bible. Right, Hayla Selassie is crowned Emperor of Ethiopia. 913 00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:15.199 He was the last emperor of Ethiopia. He is on 914 00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:21.000 the cover of Life magazine, of Time magazine. He's on 915 00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:23.599 the cover of Time magazine in nineteen thirty when he 916 00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:27.679 was crowned emperor. It's a headshot of this African emperor 917 00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:31.440 on Time magazine. He is called in like on the 918 00:54:31.480 --> 00:54:34.559 cover of the magazine it says man of the year, 919 00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:37.239 King of King's Lord of Lords. You can go look 920 00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:41.119 this picture up. It still exists, right, Wow, So nobody 921 00:54:41.239 --> 00:54:45.239 really talks about this, even though like that's what everybody's 922 00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:47.519 talking about, is like, where's the king of kings? Right 923 00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:52.079 within twenty years, Maria Sabina, who we were talking about 924 00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:56.840 before we started recording, reveals this hidden manna to the world. 925 00:54:57.360 --> 00:55:01.800 And now we see this revelation of knowledge that is 926 00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:06.719 occurring because we have access to these sacred mushrooms that 927 00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:09.320 were hidden for millennia. 928 00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:12.360 Now there is yeah, there it is. It says a 929 00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:14.239 right there, the King of Kings, right down there at 930 00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:14.719 the bottom. 931 00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:16.159 Wow. 932 00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:19.440 Nineteen thirty November three. 933 00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:22.559 It's you know, it's a very interesting history. It's one 934 00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:27.119 that changed my entire ontology because I was brought up 935 00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:30.679 in a and I'm not saying I'm not saying anything 936 00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:34.320 other than these are the historical facts, right. But I 937 00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:40.119 was brought up in a eschatological Catholicism that was always 938 00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:42.400 waiting for the end of the world. Jesus is coming, 939 00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:44.880 Pack your bags, get your shit ready, It's about to 940 00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:47.960 go down. And like, I was raised in fear, and 941 00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:49.880 so when I started to see this, I was like, 942 00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:53.159 what the fuck a King of Kings like? And then 943 00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:55.440 you like, go and trace the bloodline, and then you 944 00:55:55.519 --> 00:55:57.960 go and read the stories of his life and how 945 00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:02.639 Ethiopia defended Mussoline and Rome, and you know, Rome tried 946 00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:09.800 to overtake Ethiopia. It's a fascinating mystical story that you 947 00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:11.639 brought dark of the Covenant. I couldn't help them make 948 00:56:11.679 --> 00:56:16.119 the connection because the mushrooms. Maria Sabina and interestingly enough, 949 00:56:16.239 --> 00:56:20.679 I find this interesting anyway. Maria Sabina's birthday is July 950 00:56:20.760 --> 00:56:24.400 twenty second, which is when we're having this Global Dose day. 951 00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:29.599 Hyla Selassie's birthday is July twenty third, so they're both 952 00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:35.119 they're both featured on global magazines. King of King's Hidden 953 00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:39.880 Manner revealed they both have birthdays back to back. It's 954 00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:42.760 it's pretty wild. It's an interesting coincidence if nothing else. 955 00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:45.480 Oh my god. Yeah. 956 00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:48.800 And in preparation for the show, I did a little 957 00:56:48.800 --> 00:56:52.679 bit of research on Maria Sabina and man, what a 958 00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:55.880 fascinating life that she lived. I mean it was, it 959 00:56:55.960 --> 00:57:00.320 was crazy. And I guess she she was no as 960 00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:03.480 essentially like a wise woman and or a medicine woman 961 00:57:03.559 --> 00:57:05.119 or a shaman, however you want to put it. But 962 00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:10.039 she I guess word got out because of these two 963 00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:12.480 dudes that went to go and they were like the 964 00:57:12.519 --> 00:57:14.920 first white people to go and have a ceremony with her. 965 00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:18.199 And supposedly it was just in that part of is 966 00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:20.480 it called Oxacana or something like that. 967 00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:25.320 Ohaka Hakka is the general region and hotl Inez is 968 00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:28.719 the believe the specific region where they were at the. 969 00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:29.800 Location got you. 970 00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:33.559 So he or she ended up, you know, having this 971 00:57:33.639 --> 00:57:38.480 ceremony with them, and then the I can't remember Gordon something, 972 00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:42.280 Gordon Wasson. Yeah, So Gordon Wasson went on to write 973 00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:45.360 like several books about her and where she lived and 974 00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:47.920 all this stuff and basically like out at her as 975 00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:51.559 far as you know, all of the ceremonies and stuff, which. 976 00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:54.920 She gave permission. You know, she gave him permission to 977 00:57:55.079 --> 00:57:58.280 document the whole thing. Now, he lied to her about 978 00:57:58.280 --> 00:58:01.599 his motivation for having the the ceremony, or the beleta 979 00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:05.280 as it was called. He told her because the cultures 980 00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:08.760 that worked with these, the mas Tech, are the only 981 00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:17.079 surviving indigenous culture that has a long standing documented practice 982 00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:21.440 with sacred mushrooms. There are there are kind of hints 983 00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:25.239 of sacred mushroom practices in Africa and around the world 984 00:58:25.239 --> 00:58:30.199 in pockets, but the Mastech had a very long tradition 985 00:58:31.039 --> 00:58:34.440 that descended from the Maya. Right. They they sheltered in 986 00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:37.159 Catholicism when the conky stores came in and they said, 987 00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:39.639 you know, these mushroom meters were talking to demons, and 988 00:58:39.679 --> 00:58:42.000 they you know, did everything they could to eradicate it. 989 00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:49.960 Some folks took that and you know buried their traditions 990 00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:53.559 inside the Catholic Church, which you know it fits really well. 991 00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:56.480 Both have the flesh of God, even even the Mayan 992 00:58:56.599 --> 00:58:59.599 when the conky stores came in, the Mayan were calling 993 00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:01.920 the mush from his tail on a coddle, which means 994 00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:03.840 the flesh of the of God. 995 00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:05.679 Wow. 996 00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:08.800 Yeah, So is that do you think that that is 997 00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:12.360 that they're that they're basically kind of connected whenever Jesus 998 00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:13.440 says to eat of my foot. 999 00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:15.159 Oh, I think, I think one hundred percent. I think 1000 00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:23.719 all all this uh speculation that early Christianity was a 1001 00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:28.480 mushroom fertility cult, I think there is truth in that. 1002 00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:35.079 The I've had too many mushroom experiences that were like 1003 00:59:35.239 --> 00:59:39.880 a carbon copy of the death and resurrection theme. So 1004 00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:44.280 I do think that there was historical human being. My 1005 00:59:44.599 --> 00:59:48.480 from my studies, the historical Jesus that we've been given 1006 00:59:48.679 --> 00:59:52.760 is actually a combination of two different individuals. There were 1007 00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:57.840 two prominent leaders during that time, one from the scenes 1008 00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:04.239 and one from a more kind of cosmopolitan version of 1009 01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:08.840 couplistic Judaism at that time, and that those two people 1010 01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:11.480 have been because we have we have some very different 1011 01:00:11.559 --> 01:00:13.920 pictures of Jesus in the New Testament as far as 1012 01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:20.400 his personality and how he engaged and so anyway that aside, 1013 01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:25.760 to me, it's a no brainer that the mushroom is 1014 01:00:25.800 --> 01:00:31.199 the original communion, that it is what the Catholic Church 1015 01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:36.679 was kind of like pointing to without pointing to, you know, 1016 01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:42.079 like it's it is the original flesh of God. It's 1017 01:00:42.119 --> 01:00:46.920 just it makes total sense. There's tons of historical evidence. 1018 01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:49.559 It's been called the food of Gods, the flesh of 1019 01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:54.159 Gods in multiple cultures around the world. And then like 1020 01:00:54.239 --> 01:00:56.800 when you start to see there's there's even that there 1021 01:00:56.840 --> 01:01:04.320 are in Central America, there are tabernacles where the I 1022 01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:07.800 don't know if you know, like Catholic tabernacles will have 1023 01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:09.920 this I figure what it's called. But this is this 1024 01:01:10.039 --> 01:01:13.280 stand where they put a piece of the Eucharist or 1025 01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:17.000 the Communion, right, and in this one church in Central America, 1026 01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:20.559 there's actually a mushroom in the center of it. And 1027 01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:24.199 so to me, it's just a no brainer that this 1028 01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:25.920 is actually what we're talking about. 1029 01:01:26.360 --> 01:01:29.920 Yeah, I one hundred percent believe that. Yeah, it makes 1030 01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:32.559 way too much sense. What do you make just out 1031 01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:35.000 of curiosity? So the arc of the Covenant if you 1032 01:01:35.079 --> 01:01:38.360 read some of the biblical stories that allegedly, you know 1033 01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:40.760 they had to put it. Whenever they put it into 1034 01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:43.159 a temple or into a room or something like that, 1035 01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:46.159 the priests had to wear like bells or something like that, 1036 01:01:46.199 --> 01:01:48.039 because they're still the traditional dead. 1037 01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:51.639 So in Ethiopia where the Ark of the Covenant is kept, 1038 01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:54.440 and this is a document. Graham Hancock talks about this 1039 01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:57.559 very publicly in his book and in various podcasts. It's 1040 01:01:57.599 --> 01:02:02.360 a publicized and docum minted history of the Ethiopian Church 1041 01:02:03.199 --> 01:02:06.320 in this temple in Ox of Ethiopia. It's a one 1042 01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:09.639 room temple that supposedly houses the ark, the original arc 1043 01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:13.559 of the Covenant. The monk that guards the Ark of 1044 01:02:13.559 --> 01:02:17.880 the Covenant, he wears bells on his robes because if 1045 01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:19.840 you hear the bell he wears bells in a rope. 1046 01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:22.440 If you hear the bells stop, then you're supposed to 1047 01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:25.800 pull the rope out because he's dead. Right. That monk 1048 01:02:26.239 --> 01:02:29.440 is chosen when he was seven years old, and his 1049 01:02:29.559 --> 01:02:31.840 life mission is to live in that room with the 1050 01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:34.719 Ark of the Covenant. People deliver it that his food 1051 01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:38.480 is delivered through a little slot and like it's wild 1052 01:02:39.400 --> 01:02:41.760 and so when he dies another seven year old boy. 1053 01:02:41.840 --> 01:02:47.159 They're always preparing children to be the next guardian, and 1054 01:02:47.239 --> 01:02:49.880 so you can go look all this up. It's really fascinating. 1055 01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:57.440 I think the real interesting question is like, what's really 1056 01:02:57.599 --> 01:03:00.960 in there, what's really happening with that. So the tradition 1057 01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:04.880 in Ethiopia, I I see this last king of Ethiopia. 1058 01:03:05.199 --> 01:03:09.000 He is the one who ordered the building of the 1059 01:03:09.039 --> 01:03:12.480 most recent or the current temple that the arc is in. 1060 01:03:12.519 --> 01:03:16.760 And the reason why is supposedly it was in the 1061 01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:21.400 basement of Saint Mary's Church, which the story is that 1062 01:03:21.559 --> 01:03:26.039 the church itself was starting to the foundation was starting 1063 01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:29.280 to crack because of the heat from the Ark of 1064 01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:31.920 the Covenant, and so they had to move it into 1065 01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:34.239 its own space because it was going to like the 1066 01:03:34.360 --> 01:03:40.880 church was going to fall down. Between Jerusalem and Ethiopia, 1067 01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:47.719 there is there are a number of temporary arc shelters 1068 01:03:48.199 --> 01:03:51.679 that were built when the Ark was being carried from 1069 01:03:51.800 --> 01:03:56.679 Jerusalem to Ethiopia. There's a whole amazing tradition of so 1070 01:03:56.800 --> 01:03:59.920 King Solomon. The story is the King Solomon had Queen 1071 01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:04.000 Sheba come up from Ethiopia, and when she did, he 1072 01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:06.519 seduced her. He had this whole trick. He's like, if 1073 01:04:06.559 --> 01:04:08.719 you take anything from my house without my permission, then 1074 01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:10.880 I get to give you a I get to impregnate you. 1075 01:04:10.920 --> 01:04:12.599 And she's like, of course, why would I steal any 1076 01:04:12.599 --> 01:04:15.960 from you. I'm a queen. And so at night, when 1077 01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:18.840 she's asleep, he goes and puts a or he feeds 1078 01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:22.119 her a bunch of spicy food, right, and then he 1079 01:04:22.159 --> 01:04:24.639 puts a glass of water on her bedside table while 1080 01:04:24.679 --> 01:04:28.119 she's asleep, and she wakes up dry mouth from the 1081 01:04:28.599 --> 01:04:31.119 spicy food and takes a drink of the water, and 1082 01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:33.880 he's like, gotcha, And she's like, ah, damn, you're right, 1083 01:04:34.159 --> 01:04:36.760 And so he knocks her up, and he gives her 1084 01:04:36.800 --> 01:04:39.119 a baby, and he says to her, this is the story. 1085 01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:41.639 It's in the keyboard of Gost. He says to her, 1086 01:04:41.880 --> 01:04:45.760 if if you have a child from our union, then 1087 01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:49.719 give him this ring, and when he is a grown man, 1088 01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:51.760 send him back to me so I can know that 1089 01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:53.800 I have a son, right, and then I'll have our 1090 01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:57.480 kingdom will grow and so whatever. How many years later, 1091 01:04:57.519 --> 01:05:00.880 supposedly the story goes is his son goes back up 1092 01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:05.119 to Jerusalem wearing this ring and looking just like his dad. 1093 01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:08.000 And when he gets there, his dad's like, oh my gosh, okay, 1094 01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:13.320 I got a son. And while he is there in Jerusalem, 1095 01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:17.119 the high priests of the Ark of the Covenant have 1096 01:05:17.239 --> 01:05:21.119 a dream that the Arc is to move to Ethiopia, 1097 01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:24.320 and so they steal it at night, they take it 1098 01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:29.000 to Ethiopia. As whole tradition. There are temporary temples that 1099 01:05:29.079 --> 01:05:32.519 were built between Jerusalem and Ethiopia that actually illustrate that 1100 01:05:32.559 --> 01:05:35.519 there was some movement of something that is purported to 1101 01:05:35.559 --> 01:05:38.199 be the Ark of the Covenant. And then now you know, 1102 01:05:38.239 --> 01:05:42.559 you have an Ethiopia. This chapel and there were discovered 1103 01:05:42.639 --> 01:05:47.440 in the like the early nineteen hundreds, late eighteen hundreds, 1104 01:05:47.679 --> 01:05:52.840 it was discovered that there was this isolated black Jewish 1105 01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:56.199 community there that everybody's like, how in the heck did 1106 01:05:56.639 --> 01:05:59.039 Jews get an Ethiopia? Right, they got like the Star 1107 01:05:59.079 --> 01:06:03.039 of David on everything, and they're very Jewish and uh. 1108 01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:05.519 And that's the whole story, is that they were descendants 1109 01:06:05.559 --> 01:06:08.519 of this Solomon and Sheba thing. So I don't you know, 1110 01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:12.039 it's fascinating is that what he is actually going on there. 1111 01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:15.480 I don't know is that the Hebrew Israelites is. 1112 01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:17.360 That the Hebrew Israelites. 1113 01:06:18.280 --> 01:06:21.239 I the videos of people saying that we're the original 1114 01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:22.000 Hebrew Israel. 1115 01:06:23.239 --> 01:06:26.880 That that was from a supposedly a split from what 1116 01:06:26.960 --> 01:06:29.239 I understand now, I'm like, I'm not a scholar on 1117 01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:33.880 this perform I understand that was from the split between 1118 01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:38.760 Judea and Israel somewhere at a different point in time. 1119 01:06:39.039 --> 01:06:42.760 These Ethiopian Jews were called the Palashes. If you look 1120 01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:45.079 that word up f A l A s h A 1121 01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:49.880 you'll come across like like people were just like, how 1122 01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:52.440 did this happen? And then they started they found this 1123 01:06:52.480 --> 01:06:55.280 book that's in the Ethiopian Bible called the Cubrant. It's 1124 01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:57.599 not the Bible, it's a separate book that's in the 1125 01:06:57.599 --> 01:07:00.199 Ethiopian tradition called the Kuburan the Gost, which means the 1126 01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:04.000 Glory of the Kings, and it is their story of 1127 01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:09.280 how Ethiopia got Jewish people and became in possession of 1128 01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:10.320 the Arc of the Covenant. 1129 01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:13.760 Yeah, here you go, the secret Jews of Ethiopia. How 1130 01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:15.599 about that? Wow? 1131 01:07:15.679 --> 01:07:19.000 Yeah, Star David and Yeah, everybody's. 1132 01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:24.239 Like, what that's wild? Oh my god, dude, there's just 1133 01:07:24.280 --> 01:07:26.719 so much history we just don't know. I've never heard 1134 01:07:26.800 --> 01:07:28.599 that before so much, but. 1135 01:07:28.599 --> 01:07:33.559 Yeah, what what is like? What is if? If that 1136 01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:39.079 thing is so powerful? Why what is actually Because I 1137 01:07:39.360 --> 01:07:43.559 don't like as much as many you know, I'll say miracles. 1138 01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:46.000 I've seen things that I can't explain. I've seen healing, 1139 01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:51.000 I've seen whatever. I've seen all kinds of stuff. But 1140 01:07:51.079 --> 01:07:54.480 there's all I believe that there's always some kind of 1141 01:07:56.239 --> 01:08:00.320 grounded explanation like we may not, we may not get 1142 01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:05.159 to that understanding, but there is something there. And so 1143 01:08:05.400 --> 01:08:07.239 like I have, I have sat with that a lot. 1144 01:08:07.599 --> 01:08:13.199 What is it that is actually the power in that thing? 1145 01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:17.119 Well, I mean if you've ever looked into, uh, like 1146 01:08:17.159 --> 01:08:20.479 the Lesser Keys of Solomon and so that's I think 1147 01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:23.000 that there's probably something to do with that that maybe 1148 01:08:23.000 --> 01:08:27.800 there was some kind of a solomonic seal or some 1149 01:08:27.920 --> 01:08:32.880 kind of some kind of like spell that maybe could 1150 01:08:32.960 --> 01:08:36.039 be if you touch this thing, then you'll die. I 1151 01:08:36.079 --> 01:08:39.039 don't know, I have no idea, but it is interesting 1152 01:08:39.199 --> 01:08:42.439 because it's said that you know, it's like it's it's 1153 01:08:42.520 --> 01:08:45.520 fully built out of acacia wood, but then it's coded 1154 01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:47.880 in gold, and you're saying that there's you know, a 1155 01:08:47.960 --> 01:08:53.359 mushroom or mushrooms inside it. I don't see how touching 1156 01:08:53.439 --> 01:08:54.960 any of that would cause death. 1157 01:08:55.479 --> 01:08:58.159 No, you know, there's the disposally there are there is 1158 01:08:58.199 --> 01:09:01.079 a piece of some pieces of the manna that they 1159 01:09:01.319 --> 01:09:05.239 ate in the wilderness. There is the there was a 1160 01:09:05.319 --> 01:09:08.520 staff that apparently David was given and it was a 1161 01:09:09.039 --> 01:09:12.439 staff that that flowered, and that's how they knew he 1162 01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:14.800 was supposed to be the king. And there was something 1163 01:09:14.800 --> 01:09:16.880 else I think that was in it, supposedly in the 1164 01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:20.399 ark of the the mode, the the tink commandments. Right, 1165 01:09:21.319 --> 01:09:23.560 those are the three things, to my understanding, that were 1166 01:09:23.560 --> 01:09:29.239 supposedly physical objects stored inside of it. So yeah, I 1167 01:09:29.279 --> 01:09:33.800 think that the whole uh you know, notion of spellbinding 1168 01:09:34.039 --> 01:09:38.159 or imputing some kind of power within the physical object 1169 01:09:38.399 --> 01:09:41.239 is you know, the story. What they say is that 1170 01:09:41.279 --> 01:09:43.920 it's the throne of God on earth. I don't know. 1171 01:09:44.119 --> 01:09:46.159 I don't know how to even think about that, because 1172 01:09:46.239 --> 01:09:49.039 it's just like I don't I don't perceive God as 1173 01:09:49.079 --> 01:09:53.119 having a throne, you know, And then like how so anyway, 1174 01:09:53.159 --> 01:09:55.039 there are some things that will just remain a mystery. 1175 01:09:55.880 --> 01:09:58.359 Yeah, yeah, I'm okay with leaving it up to mystery. 1176 01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:00.960 I try not to be so shre were about everything 1177 01:10:01.119 --> 01:10:04.399 or anything for that matter, you know, because whenever you 1178 01:10:04.439 --> 01:10:07.279 see whatever, you're sure about something, you're saying that it's 1179 01:10:07.319 --> 01:10:10.000 definitely not this. And I'm like, all right, I'm just 1180 01:10:10.039 --> 01:10:10.880 gonna say I don't know. 1181 01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:11.359 You know. 1182 01:10:11.439 --> 01:10:13.399 It's like one of the smartest things you can say 1183 01:10:13.439 --> 01:10:18.199 is I don't know, you know, but but yeah, as 1184 01:10:18.279 --> 01:10:21.520 far as you know. Just to get back on Maria Sabina, 1185 01:10:21.600 --> 01:10:23.600 I thought that, you know, it was so interesting. I 1186 01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:27.079 heard a poem by her, and her like most famous poem. 1187 01:10:27.119 --> 01:10:30.319 I got it typed out right here, but she said, 1188 01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:32.880 Cure yourself with the light of the sun and the 1189 01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:35.199 rays of the moon, with the sound of the river 1190 01:10:35.359 --> 01:10:38.079 and the waterfall, with the swaying of the sea and 1191 01:10:38.119 --> 01:10:41.439 the fluttering of birds. Heal yourself with mint, with nme 1192 01:10:41.640 --> 01:10:46.279 and eucalyptus. Sweeten yourself with lavender, rosemary and camamill. Hug 1193 01:10:46.319 --> 01:10:48.840 yourself with the cocoa bean in a touch of cinnamon. 1194 01:10:49.119 --> 01:10:52.560 Put love and tea instead of sugar, and take it 1195 01:10:52.760 --> 01:10:55.680 looking at the stars. Heal yourself with the kisses that 1196 01:10:56.319 --> 01:10:58.560 the wind gives you in the hugs of the rain. 1197 01:10:59.039 --> 01:11:01.319 Gets strong with bare feet on the ground, and with 1198 01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:04.479 everything that is born from it. Get smarter every day 1199 01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:07.319 by listening to your intuition, looking at the world with 1200 01:11:07.399 --> 01:11:11.039 the eye of your forehead, jump, dance, sing, so that 1201 01:11:11.119 --> 01:11:14.960 you live happier, heal yourself with beautiful love, and always 1202 01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:19.680 remember you are the medicine. I was like, ah, ude, 1203 01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:20.680 that's awesome. 1204 01:11:21.479 --> 01:11:24.159 That's that's the message we need right now when we're 1205 01:11:24.159 --> 01:11:27.079 trying to like dope up on vaccines and thinking that 1206 01:11:27.159 --> 01:11:30.000 AI is going to save us. Man, that's the message 1207 01:11:30.039 --> 01:11:30.760 this world needs. 1208 01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:34.199 In my opinion, Yes, there's no doubt about it. And 1209 01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:37.319 that's what you know. That's that's what a mushroom experience. 1210 01:11:38.479 --> 01:11:42.319 It'll lend you like this kind of light shining on 1211 01:11:42.600 --> 01:11:48.000 your own intuition that helps you remember things and know things. 1212 01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:52.119 And this to me is like if she would have 1213 01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:55.479 never taken the mushroom, Like I feel like a poem 1214 01:11:55.640 --> 01:11:58.880 like this would probably be pretty hard to just come 1215 01:11:58.960 --> 01:12:03.439 up with. But it it's it's magic, dude, It's it's 1216 01:12:03.479 --> 01:12:05.960 totally magic. And I hate whenever people are just like, oh, 1217 01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:10.439 it's just psychedelics, it's just hallucinations. It's like you can 1218 01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:14.920 probably say that just about every religion and every you know, uh, 1219 01:12:15.079 --> 01:12:20.600 spirituality was built off of some form of psychedelic, right. 1220 01:12:20.960 --> 01:12:24.399 And state of nothing else but probably psychedelics. 1221 01:12:24.560 --> 01:12:28.359 And it could be your your own, your own d MT, right, 1222 01:12:29.960 --> 01:12:32.439 it could just be that simple and so. But a 1223 01:12:32.439 --> 01:12:36.720 lot of these these things are tapped into because of 1224 01:12:37.239 --> 01:12:40.079 like by going into a trance state, which it is 1225 01:12:40.119 --> 01:12:43.039 pretty interesting because I I was looking up a little bit, 1226 01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:45.479 where was it? 1227 01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:47.800 I forgot where it was? Now, oh, here we go. 1228 01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:51.880 So serotonin in general is a pretty fascinating chemical that 1229 01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:55.720 everybody has anyway, right, But it's a it says, it's 1230 01:12:55.720 --> 01:13:03.119 a vital monoamine, neurotransmitter and hormone, and it's primarily primarily 1231 01:13:03.159 --> 01:13:05.880 synthesized in the gut about ninety five percent and the 1232 01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:09.880 brain in the brain from the amino acid trypta fin. 1233 01:13:10.199 --> 01:13:15.159 It acts as a chemical messenger throughout the body, regulating mood, sleep, appetite, digestion, 1234 01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:18.640 and bone health. Like you can't live without serotonin, Like 1235 01:13:18.680 --> 01:13:23.039 it's extremely vital, right, And what the mushrooms and a 1236 01:13:23.039 --> 01:13:26.920 lot of psychedelics do is that they go right to that, like, 1237 01:13:27.159 --> 01:13:29.920 isn't it because of the site, Like the psychedelic the 1238 01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:33.800 way it interacts with us is by going and interacting 1239 01:13:33.800 --> 01:13:36.039 with our serotonin receptors, Is that right? 1240 01:13:36.680 --> 01:13:40.840 Yeah? True psychedelics, Yeah, you're true. Like LSD, psilocybin, mescaline, 1241 01:13:40.920 --> 01:13:47.239 DMT are all serotonin analogs, So yeah, they that alone 1242 01:13:48.239 --> 01:13:51.960 is it's profound to think about, you know, especially DMT. 1243 01:13:52.159 --> 01:13:57.520 DMT is in so much it's in so many different plants. 1244 01:13:57.560 --> 01:14:00.600 It's it's in our own bodies, right, And so that 1245 01:14:00.920 --> 01:14:07.640 there are neurochemicals, there are consciousness molecules is how like 1246 01:14:07.760 --> 01:14:14.800 molecules of consciousness in the mushroom in plants? Why consciousness 1247 01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:19.640 is primary? Consciousness is exploring itself through itself. I think 1248 01:14:19.640 --> 01:14:21.800 it's beautiful and it's beautiful, and I think that poem. 1249 01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:24.319 I love that you read that poem. That's why we're 1250 01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:26.439 doing this Global Dose Day. We want to just bring 1251 01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:31.439 awareness to the origin of where this work came from. 1252 01:14:31.479 --> 01:14:33.880 There is so much potential right now for it to 1253 01:14:33.920 --> 01:14:38.479 be subsumed by medical models. And like, there's nothing wrong 1254 01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:42.760 with medical application of psilocybin. There's nothing wrong with therapeutic application. 1255 01:14:42.800 --> 01:14:47.000 I've seen enormous healing come about, and that is the 1256 01:14:47.039 --> 01:14:49.079 lowest hanging fruit of the tree. Of course. Like I 1257 01:14:49.079 --> 01:14:51.680 got worked with a physician one time he got out 1258 01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:54.439 of his mushroom session he set up after like six hours. 1259 01:14:54.479 --> 01:14:57.720 He's like, of course these things cured depression. I just 1260 01:14:57.760 --> 01:15:01.720 talked to God for six hours. That's what we're talking 1261 01:15:01.760 --> 01:15:06.880 about here, right, So, Maria Sabina's message has really been lost. 1262 01:15:06.960 --> 01:15:08.359 It's really been lost. And I know that there are 1263 01:15:08.359 --> 01:15:11.119 people who criticize me as being this white guy that's 1264 01:15:11.199 --> 01:15:14.399 trying to do a you know, a global holiday for 1265 01:15:14.520 --> 01:15:16.880 Maria Sabina. And I got people online saying, well, what 1266 01:15:16.960 --> 01:15:19.039 do you think Maria Sabina would say? I don't really 1267 01:15:19.039 --> 01:15:20.920 know what Maria saban would say, but what I say 1268 01:15:21.079 --> 01:15:25.119 is that we need to give her some awareness. We 1269 01:15:25.199 --> 01:15:28.640 need to remember that this is where this work comes from. 1270 01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:31.359 It doesn't come from a laboratory. It doesn't come from 1271 01:15:31.359 --> 01:15:34.840 compass pathways. It doesn't come from Paul Stammets, it doesn't 1272 01:15:34.840 --> 01:15:38.880 come from Eric Osborne, it doesn't even come from Maria Sabina, right, 1273 01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:42.319 it comes from the mystery of creation. On some of 1274 01:15:42.359 --> 01:15:47.560 the oldest cave paintings depict psilocybin mushrooms like this is 1275 01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:50.760 who we are, This is who we are. So I 1276 01:15:50.800 --> 01:15:53.039 have people all the time, like, you know, giving me 1277 01:15:53.079 --> 01:15:56.760 some grief about psychedelics being a shortcut, or you don't 1278 01:15:56.760 --> 01:16:01.600 need psychedelics to get their good life. Okay, good luck. 1279 01:16:01.760 --> 01:16:03.920 Maybe you can go sit in an aschrom er in 1280 01:16:03.960 --> 01:16:07.319 a cave for fifteen years and have moments of insight. 1281 01:16:08.159 --> 01:16:11.319 I'm so thankful that I can have a devoted practice 1282 01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:13.800 that's really actually fucking hard. Like I've been working with 1283 01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:16.359 these mushrooms for twenty seven years and they've kicked my 1284 01:16:16.479 --> 01:16:23.039 ass innumerable times. It has required intense personal development and 1285 01:16:23.159 --> 01:16:25.319 integration work. So in on of the things that this 1286 01:16:25.399 --> 01:16:28.760 is a shortcut has no idea what this work is 1287 01:16:28.800 --> 01:16:29.720 really about. 1288 01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:31.359 One hundred percent, dude. 1289 01:16:31.520 --> 01:16:35.800 I mean anything that you got going on in your life, 1290 01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:38.960 Like if you are having a bad day where you 1291 01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:42.840 are keeping things in the dark, you're you're not wanting 1292 01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:44.760 to come face to face with the things that you 1293 01:16:44.920 --> 01:16:47.039 know you need to face, but you're kind of just 1294 01:16:47.079 --> 01:16:51.199 putting off, dude. And all the different mushrooms are very 1295 01:16:51.199 --> 01:16:53.680 different in how they're going to interact with your you know, 1296 01:16:53.680 --> 01:16:56.399 your brain chemistry and your consciousness in general. But like, 1297 01:16:56.960 --> 01:16:59.279 good luck running away from that on a mushroom trip, 1298 01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:02.840 you're not going to be able to like because the mushroom. 1299 01:17:02.960 --> 01:17:06.199 I mean they are the teacher like they they literally 1300 01:17:06.680 --> 01:17:10.000 they're they're one of the if not the best teacher. 1301 01:17:10.119 --> 01:17:14.600 You can get way more. I've learned so much more 1302 01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:17.319 from the mushroom than I ever have from any mystic, 1303 01:17:17.479 --> 01:17:22.399 pre shaman teacher anything like that. And the beautiful part 1304 01:17:22.520 --> 01:17:26.920 is is that you're not being told anything from anybody else. 1305 01:17:27.159 --> 01:17:30.479 It is a conversation you are having with yourself in 1306 01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:34.079 order to heal yourself and figure things out about yourself 1307 01:17:34.119 --> 01:17:35.800 and remember things about yourself. 1308 01:17:36.239 --> 01:17:38.520 And it's a it's dude, it's a. 1309 01:17:38.479 --> 01:17:45.159 Communion, like if full on is you communing with call 1310 01:17:45.199 --> 01:17:47.479 it the Almighty, call it God, call it Source, call 1311 01:17:47.520 --> 01:17:50.880 it whatever the fuck that is. Like there, it is 1312 01:17:51.279 --> 01:17:54.199 one of the most magical things. Yeah, I've heard people 1313 01:17:54.239 --> 01:17:56.600 say that, you know that it's just a shortcut. And 1314 01:17:56.640 --> 01:17:59.479 you'll even hear like Guru's like sad, Guru, He's like, oh, well, 1315 01:17:59.479 --> 01:18:01.159 I don't miss with any of the psychedelics. 1316 01:18:01.159 --> 01:18:02.479 It's just a shortcut to get to it. 1317 01:18:02.680 --> 01:18:05.880 I'm like, dude, like, I'm sorry, But at least over 1318 01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:08.560 in the Western world, we don't have all of this 1319 01:18:08.720 --> 01:18:11.159 time to sit in meditation for nine hours a day. 1320 01:18:11.560 --> 01:18:14.239 Like we live very fast paced lives. That's just the 1321 01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:18.520 way of the world in which we live. But in 1322 01:18:18.640 --> 01:18:22.920 order I will say, like, there are definitely certain things 1323 01:18:22.920 --> 01:18:26.239 that maybe some might not be ready for on a 1324 01:18:26.279 --> 01:18:29.880 deeply heroic, you know, mushroom journey. But that doesn't mean 1325 01:18:29.920 --> 01:18:32.800 that it was wrong for you to try it. If anything, 1326 01:18:32.920 --> 01:18:34.840 I think that it points you in the direction of 1327 01:18:34.880 --> 01:18:37.640 things that you need to work on, and it causes 1328 01:18:37.760 --> 01:18:39.960 much more inter reflection in general. 1329 01:18:40.000 --> 01:18:43.920 Anyway, Hey, absolutely, I mean you know, so here we go, 1330 01:18:44.039 --> 01:18:50.359 all right, Hinduism rich psychedelic history, right, Like we already 1331 01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:54.880 know that the rig veda soma was a psychedelic drink. 1332 01:18:55.039 --> 01:18:58.520 Most people think it was a mushroom mixture of some sort. Yes, okay, 1333 01:18:59.079 --> 01:19:09.159 there are countless instances of psychedelics as a sacrament in Hinduism. Okay, 1334 01:19:09.319 --> 01:19:13.439 So like even someone coming out of that tradition and 1335 01:19:13.479 --> 01:19:17.119 then going to criticize, you know, the use is not 1336 01:19:17.439 --> 01:19:21.560 fully aware of the origin of their own tradition. And 1337 01:19:21.600 --> 01:19:24.800 when we talk about privilege, Yeah, what a privilege it 1338 01:19:24.920 --> 01:19:27.359 is to be born in a situation where you can 1339 01:19:28.319 --> 01:19:32.199 meditate for nine hours a day and like that becomes 1340 01:19:32.199 --> 01:19:35.439 your life. Now, what you brought up that I wanted 1341 01:19:35.439 --> 01:19:38.560 to be sure in touch on is two things, all right. 1342 01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:43.000 The first is one of the real dangers in the 1343 01:19:43.039 --> 01:19:47.279 psychedelic community right now as it stands, is that because 1344 01:19:47.319 --> 01:19:53.720 there is no real, I mean real depth of history 1345 01:19:54.079 --> 01:19:57.479 historical experience within our culture. You got the sixties and 1346 01:19:57.520 --> 01:20:00.720 seventies that just like became a shit show and then 1347 01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:04.399 it was illegal. And now we've got, you know, maybe 1348 01:20:04.479 --> 01:20:08.359 ten years under our belt where there's some level of acceptance. Right, 1349 01:20:08.760 --> 01:20:12.199 these tools take decades to learn to understand. The mushroom 1350 01:20:12.239 --> 01:20:14.680 has been my teacher as well, and I didn't even 1351 01:20:14.800 --> 01:20:17.239 start to understand it until I was in a ten 1352 01:20:17.319 --> 01:20:21.039 year deep practice with it. Then I started to really 1353 01:20:21.119 --> 01:20:23.920 understand that I don't understand just like you said earlier, right, 1354 01:20:24.199 --> 01:20:27.279 And most people that are coming up in psychedelics right 1355 01:20:27.319 --> 01:20:30.439 now are having a handful of experiences and they think 1356 01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:33.279 they understand how psychedelics work. Well, this is what it is. 1357 01:20:33.399 --> 01:20:36.319 And now I'm a guru, now I'm a psychedelic leader. Right. 1358 01:20:36.520 --> 01:20:39.600 That is there is a real danger there because they 1359 01:20:39.640 --> 01:20:44.720 require a depth of practice. They require that. And then 1360 01:20:45.399 --> 01:20:49.079 what you spoke to in terms of you know, I say, 1361 01:20:49.119 --> 01:20:52.600 going too far too fast, right, like being exposed to 1362 01:20:55.359 --> 01:20:59.640 deep information that maybe we haven't grounded ourselves and oven 1363 01:20:59.720 --> 01:21:03.560 prepared ourselves not for. And that's really something to consider. 1364 01:21:04.279 --> 01:21:08.760 And that's ultimately why we started sanctuary, because we need 1365 01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:13.479 community since there is no real tradition. Everybody wants to 1366 01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:15.800 talk about, how oh do you come from a lineage? 1367 01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:19.399 Like thank you? I am? I am the lineage. In 1368 01:21:19.439 --> 01:21:22.279 my own experience, I didn't have anybody to learn from. 1369 01:21:22.359 --> 01:21:25.000 The mushrooms called to me. I didn't have anybody to 1370 01:21:25.039 --> 01:21:27.520 teach me. So I continue to go back to the mushroom. 1371 01:21:28.199 --> 01:21:31.680 And so when we have the opportunity to build communities 1372 01:21:32.039 --> 01:21:36.840 of people who are humbly working to try to understand 1373 01:21:37.760 --> 01:21:41.119 what it is that we're even working with, that is 1374 01:21:42.159 --> 01:21:45.159 I wouldn't say necessarily, it's like it is a safeguard. 1375 01:21:45.520 --> 01:21:51.119 It doesn't prevent exposure to material that is too deep. 1376 01:21:51.279 --> 01:21:53.840 But when you're exposed to material that's too deep and 1377 01:21:53.880 --> 01:21:59.439 you don't have a grounded community or you know practice 1378 01:21:59.479 --> 01:22:01.600 that you can go back to that will help you 1379 01:22:02.399 --> 01:22:07.640 integrate and really like embody even if you can't remember it. 1380 01:22:07.720 --> 01:22:10.680 Those things, I mean, that's that's the biggest learned lesson 1381 01:22:10.720 --> 01:22:13.399 that I learned from these retreats in Jamaica. I feel 1382 01:22:13.479 --> 01:22:16.600 a certain amount of remorse about it. Is that we 1383 01:22:16.600 --> 01:22:19.000 would have people come down for a week, we'd give them, 1384 01:22:19.079 --> 01:22:23.359 you know, three doses, escalating in intensity usually, and then 1385 01:22:23.359 --> 01:22:25.760 they would go back to their cubicle in Chicago or 1386 01:22:25.800 --> 01:22:29.399 whatever it was. And like there was a ton of 1387 01:22:29.399 --> 01:22:32.399 healing and goodness that came out of that, and a 1388 01:22:32.439 --> 01:22:36.640 lot of those people went back to communities and families 1389 01:22:36.840 --> 01:22:42.039 who they couldn't even talk about their experiences and there 1390 01:22:42.199 --> 01:22:45.880 is that's a problem. That's a problem. So you know, 1391 01:22:45.880 --> 01:22:48.680 that's why we build sanctuary, because we want people to 1392 01:22:48.760 --> 01:22:53.880 have a eventually worldwide but right now, you know, a 1393 01:22:54.079 --> 01:22:58.119 US based national community where people from all around the 1394 01:22:58.119 --> 01:23:02.319 country can come together and share other experiences, ask questions 1395 01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:07.119 like see how much we don't know together, and explore 1396 01:23:07.199 --> 01:23:11.119 this landscape that is frankly very new to us. 1397 01:23:12.079 --> 01:23:14.000 Oh yeah, yeah, I mean it is. 1398 01:23:14.479 --> 01:23:17.000 It is a whole new frontier, you know, and I 1399 01:23:17.039 --> 01:23:21.199 think that it's causing us to like it causes us 1400 01:23:21.239 --> 01:23:25.760 to really reframe our framework around what reality actually is. 1401 01:23:26.199 --> 01:23:29.760 You know, that's the real foundational like shattering is that 1402 01:23:30.239 --> 01:23:33.119 you know, we before we have any of these kind 1403 01:23:33.199 --> 01:23:39.239 of mystical experiences via meditation or psychedelic or what have you. Like, 1404 01:23:39.439 --> 01:23:43.920 we we come to like build this reality and become 1405 01:23:43.960 --> 01:23:46.159 familiar with it, and we know how it works and 1406 01:23:46.199 --> 01:23:48.279 we know how it doesn't work, and you know what 1407 01:23:48.279 --> 01:23:52.479 I mean, we understand relationships at a certain level. But 1408 01:23:52.560 --> 01:23:57.640 then you partake of the Holy sacrament and it completely 1409 01:23:57.680 --> 01:24:00.560 shatters that and it causes some people to freak fuck out, 1410 01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:03.800 Like it is something that is scary, Like if you've 1411 01:24:03.800 --> 01:24:06.880 ever done, you know, like a heroic dosage of mushrooms 1412 01:24:06.960 --> 01:24:10.159 or took too much DMT or something like that, it'll 1413 01:24:10.239 --> 01:24:13.680 leave you like in some form of spiritual fucking psychosis 1414 01:24:13.960 --> 01:24:18.520 because it's too much information all at one time, and 1415 01:24:18.600 --> 01:24:21.720 it shatters your belief around everything else. And some people 1416 01:24:21.760 --> 01:24:24.399 start to fucking downward spiral with all of that. And 1417 01:24:24.479 --> 01:24:26.680 I'm I feel like I'm a prime example of that 1418 01:24:26.760 --> 01:24:30.880 as well, dude, Like I've I've had experiences on psychedelics 1419 01:24:30.880 --> 01:24:33.760 to where I'm like, I don't know what's real anymore, 1420 01:24:33.920 --> 01:24:36.239 Like I have no idea what the fuck is real? 1421 01:24:36.399 --> 01:24:38.159 I like, I feel like, am I crazy? 1422 01:24:38.479 --> 01:24:40.439 Because then you'll start to talk about it to your 1423 01:24:40.479 --> 01:24:42.520 peers and to your family members and stuff like that, 1424 01:24:42.720 --> 01:24:44.680 and they'll be like, ah, dude, you know, I think 1425 01:24:44.720 --> 01:24:47.640 that you just took too many mushrooms one time. I'm like, dude, 1426 01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:51.359 I'm telling you, like, these experiences are more real than reality, 1427 01:24:51.880 --> 01:24:55.359 like more real than reality. And you know, it's not 1428 01:24:55.479 --> 01:24:58.800 like a euphemism saying that, like it's a literal there 1429 01:24:58.960 --> 01:25:03.720 is another world in which we're completely unaware of if 1430 01:25:03.760 --> 01:25:09.439 you're basing your truth about the nature of reality and fundamentalism, 1431 01:25:09.840 --> 01:25:13.279 like it is so far removed. And I think that 1432 01:25:13.279 --> 01:25:16.319 that is a great teacher because it will cause you, 1433 01:25:16.399 --> 01:25:19.279 like at a at a very quick pace and to 1434 01:25:20.239 --> 01:25:23.560 rethink everything. And it can really, like I said, it 1435 01:25:23.560 --> 01:25:25.640 can really you know, shake the foundation of which you 1436 01:25:25.720 --> 01:25:28.159 built your reality and your senses and everything else on. 1437 01:25:28.720 --> 01:25:30.920 But it can be a lot. And that's why the 1438 01:25:30.920 --> 01:25:34.800 integration process, I believe, like is the most important part. 1439 01:25:35.000 --> 01:25:37.399 Like the psychedelic you know, going on the journey and 1440 01:25:37.439 --> 01:25:40.359 everything like that, it is, it's amazing, but it's the 1441 01:25:40.399 --> 01:25:44.720 integration about what you do with that information after that trip, right, Like, 1442 01:25:45.079 --> 01:25:51.079 And that's why, dude, I haven't tripped since October or 1443 01:25:51.159 --> 01:25:53.840 November or something like that. It's been a while because 1444 01:25:53.840 --> 01:25:57.399 my last one was like crazy, like it really fucking 1445 01:25:57.560 --> 01:26:01.720 like it broke me, dude. But it's because and I'm 1446 01:26:01.760 --> 01:26:04.319 not like scared to try it for a while. I 1447 01:26:04.640 --> 01:26:07.760 was really scared to try another psychedelic or anything like 1448 01:26:07.800 --> 01:26:11.039 that for a while. But I'm not scared of it 1449 01:26:11.119 --> 01:26:14.920 anymore because I've I've taken the time to integrate the 1450 01:26:15.880 --> 01:26:20.199 quote unquote bad trip, right and the bad trips. You know, 1451 01:26:20.279 --> 01:26:23.079 they say that those are the better teachers. You're gonna 1452 01:26:23.119 --> 01:26:24.680 learn way more from a bad trip than you're ever 1453 01:26:24.680 --> 01:26:26.600 gonna learn from a good trip. A good trip will 1454 01:26:26.720 --> 01:26:29.319 cause you to be curious, you know, a bad trip 1455 01:26:29.359 --> 01:26:32.760 will cause you to become extremely introspective. 1456 01:26:34.239 --> 01:26:36.359 In my in my experience anyway, Yeah. 1457 01:26:36.239 --> 01:26:38.079 I'm on bad trips with the best teachers on. So 1458 01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:41.439 that's an adage for me for sure. And I just 1459 01:26:41.479 --> 01:26:46.760 you know, I think sometimes I forget how privileged I've 1460 01:26:46.800 --> 01:26:53.680 been to be able to help so many people feel 1461 01:26:54.079 --> 01:26:59.800 feel normal, feel okay in their experiences. You know, help 1462 01:26:59.840 --> 01:27:06.279 you will take those difficult, bad experiences and turn them 1463 01:27:06.279 --> 01:27:09.880 into something good. I just I've been I've been so 1464 01:27:09.960 --> 01:27:12.880 privileged with this work. I'm so grateful for it, and 1465 01:27:12.960 --> 01:27:16.720 so like when I hear that, it really like there's 1466 01:27:16.840 --> 01:27:18.680 like this pain in my heart that there are so 1467 01:27:18.800 --> 01:27:23.640 many people that are having these experiences and don't have 1468 01:27:24.720 --> 01:27:27.239 a community, They don't have a place where they can 1469 01:27:27.279 --> 01:27:31.760 be heard and feel okay, because that is that's the 1470 01:27:31.840 --> 01:27:34.920 first step in turning a bad trip good is like 1471 01:27:35.760 --> 01:27:39.880 is just being heard and hearing like, no, your experience 1472 01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:45.319 was valid, it was real. It means something, and like, 1473 01:27:45.399 --> 01:27:47.199 let's take some time to explore that together. 1474 01:27:47.720 --> 01:27:51.159 Oh dude, and now you being somebody who's helped administer 1475 01:27:51.439 --> 01:27:56.199 over four thousand plus doses of psilocybin professionally, like that 1476 01:27:56.359 --> 01:27:58.880 has got to be one of the craziest things. Like 1477 01:27:58.960 --> 01:28:01.279 shamans in general, do you consider yourself a shaman? 1478 01:28:02.840 --> 01:28:06.279 I think that word been really been misappropriated. I mean, 1479 01:28:06.760 --> 01:28:12.000 I think that we will eventually understand through you know, 1480 01:28:12.560 --> 01:28:16.840 quantum sciences, that we're all quote unquote shamans, that we're 1481 01:28:16.880 --> 01:28:21.520 all manifesting all the time, you know, I do. I 1482 01:28:21.560 --> 01:28:28.399 do have a an experiential belief that these the awareness 1483 01:28:28.399 --> 01:28:32.840 that is brought on by these tools can help us 1484 01:28:32.920 --> 01:28:40.439 understand how to use our faculties in different ways. Chigong 1485 01:28:40.640 --> 01:28:45.760 is a a practice that has taught that to me. 1486 01:28:48.199 --> 01:28:51.279 If you ever look up chigong healing, there are people 1487 01:28:51.359 --> 01:28:57.520 who use their electromagnetic field to balance and modify the 1488 01:28:57.560 --> 01:29:02.239 electromagnetic field of others. And I think we'll eventually find 1489 01:29:02.279 --> 01:29:05.399 that that's ultimately and like that's one of the things 1490 01:29:05.439 --> 01:29:10.800 that quote shaman we're doing there is I I do 1491 01:29:12.039 --> 01:29:18.640 like I have had, you know, lots of communications with 1492 01:29:19.359 --> 01:29:25.880 other beings, so I do consider myself, you know, an 1493 01:29:25.920 --> 01:29:31.159 access point. I guess at times I can be, but 1494 01:29:33.239 --> 01:29:36.960 I struggle with the titles that get adopted and and 1495 01:29:36.960 --> 01:29:40.399 and denote some level of authority. I'm just I'm just 1496 01:29:40.439 --> 01:29:43.319 a guy that like has eaten a lot of mushrooms 1497 01:29:43.319 --> 01:29:46.880 and helps other people work through their mushroom experiences. 1498 01:29:47.600 --> 01:29:50.680 Oh yeah, dude, I appreciate your humbleness on that as well, 1499 01:29:50.720 --> 01:29:53.479 because I do think that that that does get thrown 1500 01:29:53.520 --> 01:29:58.000 around and maybe it's not even fully understood. But yeah, 1501 01:29:58.039 --> 01:30:00.159 I mean, as somebody who has gone on it as 1502 01:30:00.159 --> 01:30:05.479 many trips as you had and helped administer you know, 1503 01:30:05.600 --> 01:30:11.119 even more, is fascinating to me, Like before we get 1504 01:30:11.159 --> 01:30:12.800 to the beings, because I definitely want to get to 1505 01:30:12.840 --> 01:30:17.319 that part, but like whenever you're so you're essentially like 1506 01:30:17.399 --> 01:30:21.039 are you whenever you say that you're administering all these doses, 1507 01:30:21.239 --> 01:30:25.560 like are you are you also partaking in the mushroom? 1508 01:30:26.479 --> 01:30:29.000 Because I've heard that before that you know, like there 1509 01:30:29.039 --> 01:30:33.319 are certain shamans will say that, you know, whenever you 1510 01:30:33.439 --> 01:30:37.960 go into South America or whatever and you want to 1511 01:30:37.960 --> 01:30:41.279 partake in ayahuasca, that there will be shamans or medicine 1512 01:30:41.279 --> 01:30:44.279 men that will like that, will drink it with you, 1513 01:30:44.600 --> 01:30:47.560 and so that they're essentially tripping with you, and they're 1514 01:30:47.680 --> 01:30:50.760 kind of seeing what you're seeing and experiencing what you're 1515 01:30:50.760 --> 01:30:55.119 seeing experiencing, and they're walking with you through that is 1516 01:30:55.359 --> 01:30:57.159 And I don't even know if I fully understand that, 1517 01:30:57.199 --> 01:30:59.560 Like I could be misunderstanding how that works, but like, no. 1518 01:30:59.560 --> 01:31:02.359 That's true. I mean, you know, there there are also 1519 01:31:02.560 --> 01:31:07.680 instances where the the healer or the facility know whatever 1520 01:31:07.720 --> 01:31:11.239 you want call those people are the only ones who 1521 01:31:11.319 --> 01:31:14.720 take the psychedelic like where they take the mushroom, the 1522 01:31:14.760 --> 01:31:18.800 person that they're helping doesn't, and then they diagnose the 1523 01:31:18.840 --> 01:31:21.680 person's illness and help. And so, like I said, there's 1524 01:31:21.680 --> 01:31:24.239 already been plenty of documentation about psychedelics being able to 1525 01:31:25.119 --> 01:31:29.279 facilitate extrasensory perception and clarable wants and whatnot. I've seen. 1526 01:31:30.319 --> 01:31:36.840 I have seen hundreds of profound instances of clarable lands, 1527 01:31:36.840 --> 01:31:41.479 where people under the mushroom state become fully clarable end 1528 01:31:41.520 --> 01:31:44.800 of someone else's life and can tell them everything. And 1529 01:31:45.439 --> 01:31:47.600 you know, of course, like how could I, How could 1530 01:31:47.640 --> 01:31:52.039 I work in this space and not eventually encounter that 1531 01:31:52.199 --> 01:31:57.119 within myself? I do. It's been a while most of 1532 01:31:57.159 --> 01:32:02.680 the time now, because here's here's what happens. When you 1533 01:32:02.800 --> 01:32:06.640 start to develop a certain level of skill and people 1534 01:32:06.680 --> 01:32:09.760 see that and they perceive it as something special, then 1535 01:32:09.760 --> 01:32:12.560 they start to put you on a pedestal. They start 1536 01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:15.159 to think that you're special. And I'm not special. I'm 1537 01:32:15.199 --> 01:32:20.319 just so if there are if there are individuals who 1538 01:32:21.239 --> 01:32:28.479 legitimately would benefit from my support in that way, then 1539 01:32:29.039 --> 01:32:35.760 I will do that. But moreover, most people are fully 1540 01:32:35.800 --> 01:32:39.479 capable of caring for themselves, and what I really try 1541 01:32:39.520 --> 01:32:41.640 to do is just be a mentor to help people 1542 01:32:41.720 --> 01:32:45.239 learn how to work with the sacrament so that they 1543 01:32:45.439 --> 01:32:49.439 can use it as a tool for themselves. You know, 1544 01:32:49.800 --> 01:32:53.039 the highest dose I've ever facilitated on was fifteen grams 1545 01:32:53.119 --> 01:32:56.319 I did. That was a dose where I was the spaceholder, 1546 01:32:57.960 --> 01:33:00.560 but I have done hundreds of dose is where I've 1547 01:33:00.600 --> 01:33:04.319 consumed alongside the people, and it's been really, really valuable. 1548 01:33:04.399 --> 01:33:07.079 It's been really helpful. There's one person right now that 1549 01:33:07.840 --> 01:33:10.560 we're talking about, you know, somewhere in the next few months, 1550 01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:12.640 probably going to do a dose together because he's got 1551 01:33:12.680 --> 01:33:15.840 some stuff that he could benefit from some insight on, 1552 01:33:16.000 --> 01:33:18.439 and based on what he shared, I think that I 1553 01:33:18.520 --> 01:33:20.840 might be able to provide some insight for him on that. 1554 01:33:20.960 --> 01:33:26.479 But I do that very selectively these days. It's really challenging. 1555 01:33:26.520 --> 01:33:29.640 It's really challenging work. I did a lot in Jamaica 1556 01:33:30.039 --> 01:33:35.279 and it did two things. It almost ripped me apart 1557 01:33:35.359 --> 01:33:41.760 because I was constantly living in the psychic world and 1558 01:33:41.800 --> 01:33:43.720 people started to put me on a pestol and thought 1559 01:33:43.760 --> 01:33:46.319 that I was some kind of shaman and just a 1560 01:33:46.359 --> 01:33:50.600 guy that's figuring it out with you. So yeah, that's 1561 01:33:50.600 --> 01:33:51.479 been my approach with it. 1562 01:33:52.000 --> 01:33:52.560 Wow. 1563 01:33:52.880 --> 01:33:54.399 Yeah, And even just going back to what you were 1564 01:33:54.399 --> 01:33:57.399 saying earlier as far as like, you know, if you 1565 01:33:57.439 --> 01:33:59.960 were going to I don't know if the term is 1566 01:34:00.119 --> 01:34:03.720 trips it or you know, just help hold space but like, 1567 01:34:04.199 --> 01:34:09.880 essentially the administer will take the psychedelic while trying to 1568 01:34:10.359 --> 01:34:12.359 you know, heal or find out how to heal the 1569 01:34:12.439 --> 01:34:14.720 other person that they're working with. And Maria Sabina is 1570 01:34:14.800 --> 01:34:17.239 like a prime example of that, you know, whenever. 1571 01:34:17.319 --> 01:34:19.720 She also said, when this is what I have found 1572 01:34:19.760 --> 01:34:23.079 to be true is that eventually you learn to speak 1573 01:34:23.079 --> 01:34:25.439 the language of the mushroom without having to eat the mushroom, 1574 01:34:26.159 --> 01:34:29.960 and so you can tune into that frequency. Like if 1575 01:34:29.960 --> 01:34:32.520 people are tripping around me, then I'm kind of tripping. 1576 01:34:32.840 --> 01:34:35.159 There was this one time I was at a conference, 1577 01:34:35.319 --> 01:34:38.399 this psychedelic conference in Jamaica, and we're all sitting at 1578 01:34:38.399 --> 01:34:41.680 a table eating dinner and everything's cool, and then this 1579 01:34:41.800 --> 01:34:45.079 couple walks over and they're like really quiet and they 1580 01:34:45.119 --> 01:34:46.920 sit down and all of a sudden, I'm just like, 1581 01:34:47.359 --> 01:34:49.960 I am fucking tripping balls. What is going on here? 1582 01:34:50.279 --> 01:34:51.960 And then I'm looking at them and they're just kind 1583 01:34:51.960 --> 01:34:54.720 of like gigging on each other. Did you'll get mushrooms? 1584 01:34:54.720 --> 01:34:57.039 And they're like wow. I was like, because now I'm tripping. 1585 01:34:57.119 --> 01:34:58.680 This is not fair. You got to let me know. 1586 01:35:00.560 --> 01:35:03.479 So it's like, you know that tuning fork that we 1587 01:35:03.520 --> 01:35:07.880 find resonance with and that's I have seen. I've seen 1588 01:35:07.920 --> 01:35:12.000 people go into psychosis who didn't consume mushrooms just from 1589 01:35:12.039 --> 01:35:15.000 being around people who are. So I've seen three people 1590 01:35:15.399 --> 01:35:21.880 who were who were primed for schizophrenia, one had one 1591 01:35:21.960 --> 01:35:24.720 of that, two of them had already had a schizophrenic break, 1592 01:35:25.000 --> 01:35:28.399 and one had a family history of schizophrenia. And all 1593 01:35:28.479 --> 01:35:31.920 three of these people just by being around people in 1594 01:35:32.039 --> 01:35:35.199 ceremony who were on mushrooms into the pabinet of schizophrenic break. 1595 01:35:35.359 --> 01:35:39.680 One of them was the most fucking insane, Like it 1596 01:35:39.720 --> 01:35:42.119 would take me thirty minutes to tell this story, but 1597 01:35:42.199 --> 01:35:48.039 it was the most insane karmic retribution that I have 1598 01:35:48.319 --> 01:35:52.399 ever witnessed. That was like decades in the making, and 1599 01:35:52.439 --> 01:35:58.760 it was the outcome of this person having a schizophrenic 1600 01:35:58.840 --> 01:36:02.399 break just from by just by being on site with 1601 01:36:02.479 --> 01:36:04.199 people who were eating mushrooms. 1602 01:36:04.640 --> 01:36:09.479 Wow, that's I did not know that that was a thing. Yeah, 1603 01:36:09.479 --> 01:36:12.000 but it does make sense as far as the resonance goes. 1604 01:36:13.199 --> 01:36:17.279 You know, Damn, there's just so much we don't know 1605 01:36:17.319 --> 01:36:20.880 about this stuff, but it's definitely worth being explored, you know. 1606 01:36:20.960 --> 01:36:22.840 And I think that the idea that it was. 1607 01:36:22.800 --> 01:36:26.760 Ever illegal in the first place, is stupid, like it's 1608 01:36:27.319 --> 01:36:27.720 I don't know. 1609 01:36:28.000 --> 01:36:29.920 I mean, I think I think this is a big 1610 01:36:29.960 --> 01:36:32.479 part of why it was they were illegal, right, There's 1611 01:36:33.479 --> 01:36:38.359 there is knowledge, there is historical, even government knowledge. I mean, 1612 01:36:38.359 --> 01:36:41.720 that's one of the reasons that they Gordon Wauson when 1613 01:36:41.760 --> 01:36:45.319 he went to Mariasvina's the second or third time, he 1614 01:36:45.359 --> 01:36:47.640 did not know it, apparently, but there was a CI 1615 01:36:48.000 --> 01:36:51.560 undercover CIA agent who went down with him in the 1616 01:36:51.560 --> 01:36:59.000 hopes of understanding how these mushrooms were used for mind reading, prophecy, claravoyance, 1617 01:36:59.039 --> 01:36:59.520 et cetera. 1618 01:37:01.239 --> 01:37:05.199 Oh, that does make sense, okay, Yeah, And it does 1619 01:37:05.239 --> 01:37:11.760 seem that they're for sure has been government you know, 1620 01:37:11.880 --> 01:37:15.800 poking and prodding in order to try and take advantage 1621 01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:17.439 of it and stuff like that. That was really the 1622 01:37:17.439 --> 01:37:21.359 whole idea around the you know, the the psychedelic revolution 1623 01:37:21.520 --> 01:37:23.760 back in the sixties and seventies with LSD and. 1624 01:37:23.720 --> 01:37:25.960 Stuff like that, which is pretty interesting, which I do. 1625 01:37:26.159 --> 01:37:28.840 One thing pertaining to that which I thought was pretty 1626 01:37:28.840 --> 01:37:33.560 wild is that the if it wasn't and I could 1627 01:37:33.560 --> 01:37:37.000 be wrong, but if it wasn't for Maria Sabina and 1628 01:37:38.279 --> 01:37:42.000 the what is the name of the guy, Gordon Wawson 1629 01:37:42.079 --> 01:37:45.800 and the other guy. Then maybe Albert Hoffman would have 1630 01:37:45.840 --> 01:37:49.079 never been able to create the the LSD element. 1631 01:37:49.239 --> 01:37:53.359 So they brought back samples of psilocybin to Hoffman. Now 1632 01:37:53.680 --> 01:38:01.159 ELSD had been formulated prior to any knowledge of psilocybin. 1633 01:38:02.079 --> 01:38:07.960 LSD's So LSD is a really interesting history books somewhere 1634 01:38:07.960 --> 01:38:13.119 called it's it called acid Trip. It's a really good 1635 01:38:13.119 --> 01:38:17.920 book about the history of LSD. But LSD was created, 1636 01:38:18.720 --> 01:38:20.960 I don't know, ten or fifteen years before it was 1637 01:38:21.000 --> 01:38:26.159 even sampled by Hoffman. He created it as a part 1638 01:38:26.239 --> 01:38:28.520 of trying to understand like there was some I don't 1639 01:38:28.520 --> 01:38:30.760 know if it was migraine medicine, I forget what it was. 1640 01:38:30.800 --> 01:38:34.520 They were trying to create some kind of a typical medicine. 1641 01:38:34.560 --> 01:38:37.920 And they had something like twenty or twenty five different 1642 01:38:38.000 --> 01:38:44.279 varieties of LSD right right, and whichever one became the LSD. 1643 01:38:45.520 --> 01:38:48.720 Hoffman said that, you know, fifteen years or ten years 1644 01:38:48.760 --> 01:38:53.479 after originally making it, that it was calling to him 1645 01:38:53.239 --> 01:38:56.119 from the from the shelf, from the drawer where it 1646 01:38:56.159 --> 01:38:58.960 was kept, and he just had his intuition to go 1647 01:38:59.000 --> 01:39:01.239 back to plosc twenty five. He had this intuition to 1648 01:39:01.279 --> 01:39:06.239 go back and check it out, and that's when, well, 1649 01:39:06.479 --> 01:39:09.119 was it forty one when the bicycle day, the original 1650 01:39:09.119 --> 01:39:11.319 bicycle day, I was like forty or forty one something 1651 01:39:11.399 --> 01:39:15.279 like that, And Maria Sabina wasn't until the fifties. So 1652 01:39:15.319 --> 01:39:20.479 ELSD came first, and then Hoffmann, who had this pharmacological 1653 01:39:20.520 --> 01:39:25.520 experience with psychedelics, was brought in to synthesize Psiloiceba. 1654 01:39:26.520 --> 01:39:31.359 Wow, you know, I've always been pretty scared to try LSD, Like. 1655 01:39:31.319 --> 01:39:34.840 Oh yeah, I can't wait for my next LSD trip, Like, 1656 01:39:35.279 --> 01:39:37.800 when's it coming, It's time, It's time. I'm trying to 1657 01:39:37.840 --> 01:39:39.600 maybe the fall I'm thinking to give one. 1658 01:39:39.399 --> 01:39:43.640 In what's the difference in your experience between the experience 1659 01:39:43.680 --> 01:39:46.720 of the of psilocybin and the experience of LSD. 1660 01:39:47.319 --> 01:39:54.119 ELSD is Well, sil seven is much more otherworldly and spiritual, 1661 01:39:54.600 --> 01:40:01.560 and yeah, ELSD, I have never I've had some interesting experiences, 1662 01:40:03.399 --> 01:40:09.399 but never anything that is truly otherworldly. I've never. Yeah, 1663 01:40:09.520 --> 01:40:13.000 like psilocybin. LSD is like when I want to turn 1664 01:40:13.039 --> 01:40:16.640 into a Ferrari, I take LSD and then I become 1665 01:40:16.640 --> 01:40:19.159 a Ferrari for twelve hours and then I sleep for 1666 01:40:19.279 --> 01:40:25.079 ten Wow, more like a Turner Ferrari for sixteen hours. Yeah, eld. 1667 01:40:25.319 --> 01:40:28.199 The only thing about LSD is it doesn't last long enough. 1668 01:40:29.199 --> 01:40:31.800 Oh you feel that way, I. 1669 01:40:31.800 --> 01:40:33.760 Definitely go that way. I don't want it to end. 1670 01:40:33.800 --> 01:40:36.079 I'm just like, oh, please don't go, Please don't go. 1671 01:40:36.279 --> 01:40:37.439 I love it so much. 1672 01:40:37.520 --> 01:40:38.159 Oh my god. 1673 01:40:38.239 --> 01:40:41.039 I've said for years that my career was built on psilicybin. 1674 01:40:41.119 --> 01:40:43.239 My retirement is going to be LSD. 1675 01:40:43.800 --> 01:40:48.079 Wow. You know, I've heard some wild stories about LSD. 1676 01:40:48.279 --> 01:40:51.319 My my uncle he used to be the lead singer 1677 01:40:51.319 --> 01:40:53.199 in a rock band back in Pittsburgh in the in 1678 01:40:53.239 --> 01:40:56.039 the eighties and nineties. He actually got pretty big, Like 1679 01:40:56.079 --> 01:40:58.760 he was being played on radio stations and he was 1680 01:40:58.800 --> 01:41:02.159 selling out concerts sponsored by Corp's Light and so he 1681 01:41:02.199 --> 01:41:04.359 got to be pretty big. And so obviously as a 1682 01:41:04.439 --> 01:41:07.279 rock star, you're like, you're going to be trying all 1683 01:41:07.319 --> 01:41:09.600 the drugs, you know what I mean, especially, and that's 1684 01:41:09.960 --> 01:41:13.039 was ultimately his downfall because he couldn't keep it at psychedelics. 1685 01:41:13.039 --> 01:41:14.920 He got into a bunch of the harder shit. But 1686 01:41:15.880 --> 01:41:18.800 he I remember him telling me stories about his experiences. 1687 01:41:19.000 --> 01:41:21.159 One of his experiences on LSD that he went to 1688 01:41:21.199 --> 01:41:25.399 a party after taking some acid and whenever he got 1689 01:41:25.439 --> 01:41:29.039 there after it started to kick in. He goes, man, 1690 01:41:29.159 --> 01:41:32.800 it was so strange because like I could hear wah 1691 01:41:32.800 --> 01:41:35.880 wah wah approaching me, and I didn't know what it was. 1692 01:41:36.199 --> 01:41:38.359 He said that it sounded like it was coming from 1693 01:41:38.399 --> 01:41:40.600 far away, and that it was like coming up to him. 1694 01:41:40.760 --> 01:41:42.960 And he said, out of nowhere, fucking missus pac Man 1695 01:41:43.000 --> 01:41:45.640 appeared and it was like trying to trying to eat 1696 01:41:45.720 --> 01:41:50.079 him and stuff like that, and so and he said, 1697 01:41:50.319 --> 01:41:52.319 he said, every time she would get close to me, 1698 01:41:52.359 --> 01:41:54.319 I would just punt the ever living fuck out of 1699 01:41:54.359 --> 01:41:56.479 her and she would fly all the way down the street. 1700 01:41:56.560 --> 01:42:00.359 And he goes, she was relentless. She just kept on 1701 01:42:00.439 --> 01:42:02.720 coming back. So everybody kept on asking what are you 1702 01:42:02.920 --> 01:42:04.800 kicking for? What is all this about? 1703 01:42:04.960 --> 01:42:07.119 He said, Missus pac Man is trying to kill me. 1704 01:42:09.000 --> 01:42:11.279 I mean, that's a good time. Come on. There's wrong 1705 01:42:11.359 --> 01:42:14.840 with that, you know, I mean, like, I don't know's 1706 01:42:14.840 --> 01:42:17.199 there's so much to get me said there. It's not 1707 01:42:17.239 --> 01:42:21.279 to say that there aren't risks. There certainly are. But 1708 01:42:21.479 --> 01:42:23.720 one of the things that I find with psychedelics is 1709 01:42:23.760 --> 01:42:28.000 like they're a training ground for consciousness. And so the 1710 01:42:28.039 --> 01:42:31.279 most important thing for me, and we can we can 1711 01:42:31.399 --> 01:42:33.239 use this kind of bridge into the entities. And just 1712 01:42:33.279 --> 01:42:35.239 as I am going to need to bounce here at three, 1713 01:42:35.279 --> 01:42:37.399 I realize I got some things I got to take 1714 01:42:37.439 --> 01:42:37.600 care of. 1715 01:42:37.720 --> 01:42:38.359 Yeah, that's going man. 1716 01:42:39.479 --> 01:42:43.319 This is an awesome conversation though. One of the things 1717 01:42:43.359 --> 01:42:49.560 that I have found about psychedelics and just like existence 1718 01:42:49.800 --> 01:42:52.720 being because I have I have now come to understand. 1719 01:42:52.880 --> 01:42:56.600 All right, So there's another world that's interfaced with this one. 1720 01:42:56.960 --> 01:43:02.079 There are entities I get as an As an entity, 1721 01:43:02.680 --> 01:43:05.520 I get to claim my sovereignty as well. I get 1722 01:43:05.560 --> 01:43:09.079 to claim this is my space. You don't come in it, right, 1723 01:43:09.720 --> 01:43:15.239 And that is an important lesson that can and should 1724 01:43:15.279 --> 01:43:19.560 be learned through psychedelic work. Right. It's like that Gandalf 1725 01:43:19.560 --> 01:43:21.960 and you shall not pass. We have that authority. There 1726 01:43:22.000 --> 01:43:25.760 was a time when it first really started working with 1727 01:43:25.800 --> 01:43:32.079 my head years ago. I had this I had this 1728 01:43:33.439 --> 01:43:35.920 female do you know what you know? The chrome, the 1729 01:43:36.039 --> 01:43:41.800 archetype of the chron like the witch yield. I had this. Yeah, 1730 01:43:42.000 --> 01:43:46.439 I had this chron that would come into me and 1731 01:43:46.760 --> 01:43:48.800 this other old guy used to trip with this old 1732 01:43:48.840 --> 01:43:52.479 guy he looked like Gandalf. Gandolf in my head. He 1733 01:43:52.880 --> 01:43:55.239 would tell me a couple of times, like, man, I've 1734 01:43:55.239 --> 01:43:58.640 seen you turn into this woman. And I was like, really, 1735 01:43:58.680 --> 01:44:01.079 because I felt like I turned into a old woman. 1736 01:44:01.159 --> 01:44:02.960 He's like, yeah, dude, you turned into this old woman. 1737 01:44:03.039 --> 01:44:06.199 That's kind of creepy. And I was like, yeah, I 1738 01:44:06.239 --> 01:44:09.720 felt kind of creepy. That's weird. And so it happened, 1739 01:44:09.720 --> 01:44:11.680 and it happened, and it didn't always happen, but it 1740 01:44:11.720 --> 01:44:15.960 would happen sometimes, and then one time it started, it happened. 1741 01:44:16.079 --> 01:44:19.560 It was happening, and I had already decided like, I'm 1742 01:44:19.560 --> 01:44:24.199 not cool with this there. If there is a disincarnate 1743 01:44:24.960 --> 01:44:28.399 entity that's like doesn't have a body, I'm not cool 1744 01:44:28.399 --> 01:44:31.159 with it using mine. I'm just not I don't know you, 1745 01:44:31.319 --> 01:44:33.840 I'm not cool with that. And so I had just 1746 01:44:33.880 --> 01:44:38.239 thought like it was just like this like psychological expression, 1747 01:44:39.159 --> 01:44:41.840 that it was not something that was invading my space 1748 01:44:41.960 --> 01:44:44.239 until he started saying, dude, I saw you, and he 1749 01:44:44.319 --> 01:44:46.640 was a super visual tripper. It's like, I'm seeing you 1750 01:44:46.680 --> 01:44:49.520 turn into this old lady and it's fucking weird. And 1751 01:44:49.600 --> 01:44:52.560 so then this one time it started happening, and I 1752 01:44:52.680 --> 01:44:56.720 was like, I felt like this my personality start to shift, 1753 01:44:57.199 --> 01:45:00.880 and right like as it got to like moving, it 1754 01:45:00.920 --> 01:45:03.560 would like move across my being, and right as it 1755 01:45:03.600 --> 01:45:07.359 got to like almost at the center point, I was like, no, 1756 01:45:07.840 --> 01:45:10.159 you don't get to and it just immediately was gone. 1757 01:45:10.199 --> 01:45:13.520 And I never had that happen again, and that taught 1758 01:45:13.560 --> 01:45:18.800 me a really important lesson about my personal sovereignty. And 1759 01:45:18.920 --> 01:45:23.359 so over the years in working in these spaces, that 1760 01:45:23.439 --> 01:45:29.800 has allowed me to encounter these beings. I wouldn't say 1761 01:45:29.840 --> 01:45:35.279 without fear, because there's been some definitely been some dark 1762 01:45:35.319 --> 01:45:37.920 things that encountered, some things that I didn't know whether 1763 01:45:38.039 --> 01:45:41.920 or not they were dark or what they were. But 1764 01:45:42.079 --> 01:45:46.039 this is also you know, a standard teaching and esoteric 1765 01:45:46.600 --> 01:45:51.000 magic that we all are sovereign commanders, like you were 1766 01:45:51.000 --> 01:45:55.359 saying earlier, like co creators of our world. So that 1767 01:45:55.560 --> 01:45:58.840 is a very important part of my practice. I don't channel, 1768 01:45:59.079 --> 01:46:02.439 I don't allow anything to use my body or my being. 1769 01:46:02.479 --> 01:46:05.640 I'm not necessarily against it. I know people the channel, 1770 01:46:05.680 --> 01:46:08.680 and I've had some experiences of people channing channeling in 1771 01:46:08.760 --> 01:46:13.079 the mushroom space with me, but it's not something that 1772 01:46:13.159 --> 01:46:15.479 I am here to do. I'm here to be a 1773 01:46:15.520 --> 01:46:18.840 sovereign being, and I am that is just how I 1774 01:46:18.920 --> 01:46:21.640 outperate in the space. So yeah, if you want to 1775 01:46:21.720 --> 01:46:23.319 use that to bridge into some of the entity talk 1776 01:46:23.399 --> 01:46:26.600 I thought I found very interesting. I've had tons of 1777 01:46:27.239 --> 01:46:33.840 wild experiences that have just really questioned had me questioned reality? 1778 01:46:34.399 --> 01:46:38.159 Oh yeah, I can imagine, dude. I mean, and outside 1779 01:46:38.159 --> 01:46:41.199 of my Loheem experience on psychedelics, I was able to. 1780 01:46:42.640 --> 01:46:45.479 I say I was able to, but I experienced like 1781 01:46:45.560 --> 01:46:48.840 this this cat person, you know, and it was like 1782 01:46:48.960 --> 01:46:51.399 laying up against me. I could feel it purring, and 1783 01:46:51.600 --> 01:46:54.640 it was a wild experience. But whenever people say that 1784 01:46:54.680 --> 01:46:57.439 they have it, you know, encounters, and you know, maybe 1785 01:46:57.479 --> 01:46:59.520 you call them aliens or maybe you call them, you know, 1786 01:47:00.079 --> 01:47:04.119 mythological creatures or certain archetypes or or gods or what 1787 01:47:04.239 --> 01:47:09.239 have you. But there is another presence or more presences 1788 01:47:09.279 --> 01:47:12.680 that are around you whenever you become more open, and 1789 01:47:12.800 --> 01:47:15.520 usually through psychedelics or some kind of trance state or 1790 01:47:15.840 --> 01:47:22.000 meditational state, that that light is now shed on to 1791 01:47:22.640 --> 01:47:25.840 whatever else is around you or maybe attached to you, 1792 01:47:26.039 --> 01:47:27.800 or however you want to look at it. It's like 1793 01:47:28.479 --> 01:47:31.079 it's a weird thing. And even with like I've been 1794 01:47:31.119 --> 01:47:33.520 putting like a lot of thought into all of this 1795 01:47:34.359 --> 01:47:37.119 the you know, the alien disclosure, like and I'm I'm 1796 01:47:37.159 --> 01:47:41.039 I'm a believer that there are definitely, like other consciousnesses 1797 01:47:41.159 --> 01:47:44.119 that are absolutely out there, like without a doubt, right yes, 1798 01:47:44.720 --> 01:47:47.439 And we don't have the perception or the senses to 1799 01:47:47.479 --> 01:47:50.159 be able to really you know, hone in on what 1800 01:47:50.359 --> 01:47:53.000 that is or where it's coming from or or stuff 1801 01:47:53.039 --> 01:47:55.119 like that. Just being a human we have, you know, 1802 01:47:55.199 --> 01:48:00.760 limited capabilities. But the more I really dive into consciousness, 1803 01:48:00.880 --> 01:48:03.600 the more I begin to understand that there is no 1804 01:48:03.760 --> 01:48:08.840 such thing as alien. It's just different consciousnesses, you know. 1805 01:48:09.039 --> 01:48:13.600 And and maybe those different consciousnesses will jump into an 1806 01:48:13.720 --> 01:48:17.640 interesting looking vehicle that we're not familiar with, but ultimately 1807 01:48:17.880 --> 01:48:22.039 they're inward like that, whatever they are, we're made of 1808 01:48:22.079 --> 01:48:22.800 the same thing. 1809 01:48:23.239 --> 01:48:24.720 Like do you feel that as well? 1810 01:48:25.199 --> 01:48:27.079 Yeah, I think that's why we have the ability to 1811 01:48:27.279 --> 01:48:29.680 our have our sovereign space, Like you can't this is mine, 1812 01:48:29.720 --> 01:48:32.039 you can't take it over, Like I get to command me, 1813 01:48:32.359 --> 01:48:34.520 and that's and you get to command you. You know. 1814 01:48:34.640 --> 01:48:39.239 Let's let's but we we all all beings have this 1815 01:48:39.760 --> 01:48:42.760 inherent sovereignty. It's when we're not aware of that that 1816 01:48:42.760 --> 01:48:49.319 would become subject to being influenced or being invaded by others, 1817 01:48:49.359 --> 01:48:51.000 you know, And I think that, like, I love what 1818 01:48:51.039 --> 01:48:53.520 you're saying about there is no alien because that, to me, 1819 01:48:53.600 --> 01:48:58.000 that is an artifact of uh, colonial otherism. Like it's 1820 01:48:58.039 --> 01:49:01.079 there's not there's not an other, There's just all of us. 1821 01:49:01.119 --> 01:49:05.119 There's just it experiencing itself in different forms, you know. 1822 01:49:05.159 --> 01:49:07.880 So that disarms a lot of the fear that comes around. 1823 01:49:07.920 --> 01:49:11.840 It's not to say that there aren't dark and scary 1824 01:49:11.920 --> 01:49:18.880 and potentially even dangerous entities out there, but ultimately they 1825 01:49:19.000 --> 01:49:23.640 are also of the creator as well, right, so there 1826 01:49:23.720 --> 01:49:26.760 is a way to understand them as teachers, and there 1827 01:49:26.800 --> 01:49:30.479 is a way to disarm them through that understanding. 1828 01:49:31.880 --> 01:49:34.479 Interesting, Yeah, exactly how you would treat somebody in your 1829 01:49:34.479 --> 01:49:36.560 real life, Like, you know, you got to send boundaries. 1830 01:49:36.600 --> 01:49:39.439 And I personally, I don't like whenever people are trying 1831 01:49:39.439 --> 01:49:41.159 to touch me or be next to me, I'm like 1832 01:49:41.279 --> 01:49:43.399 the fuck right here, you know, like give me, let 1833 01:49:43.399 --> 01:49:48.359 me have my space here, you know. But but yeah, so, 1834 01:49:48.479 --> 01:49:53.359 what what are some of your experiences with do I 1835 01:49:53.359 --> 01:49:56.479 even need to say other worldly entities or just entities 1836 01:49:56.479 --> 01:49:56.960 in general? 1837 01:49:57.119 --> 01:50:01.840 Yeah, I mean I've had, you know, shared UFO encounters 1838 01:50:01.880 --> 01:50:08.520 with craft I've had three of those, only two were shared. 1839 01:50:08.760 --> 01:50:11.359 One was a private experience that I had last year. 1840 01:50:13.279 --> 01:50:22.720 I have had I won't get into the story because 1841 01:50:22.720 --> 01:50:26.760 it goes too long, but I have had physical objects 1842 01:50:26.840 --> 01:50:34.319 gifted me and gifted to me through beings that that's 1843 01:50:34.359 --> 01:50:39.000 some of the most Well, okay, all right, I gotta 1844 01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:39.520 sit with this. 1845 01:50:40.039 --> 01:50:42.560 Holy shit, yeah it's. 1846 01:50:42.680 --> 01:50:51.920 It's there's something interesting there. One of the most initially 1847 01:50:51.920 --> 01:50:55.520 a rattling and it took me several years to understand. 1848 01:50:56.159 --> 01:50:59.319 There was an individual who over his three doses, and 1849 01:50:59.600 --> 01:51:02.920 I do with this because I needed to understand what 1850 01:51:03.039 --> 01:51:04.920 was going on as best I could because it was 1851 01:51:05.159 --> 01:51:07.960 intimidating for everybody. The first dose, I didn't dose, and 1852 01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:09.680 then after that I was like, yeah, I need needs 1853 01:51:09.680 --> 01:51:13.800 some mushrooms. What's going on here? And this guy would 1854 01:51:13.800 --> 01:51:17.159 like do He would go back and forth in his experience, 1855 01:51:17.239 --> 01:51:20.520 like flip flop, flip flop, turning from like this crotchety 1856 01:51:20.560 --> 01:51:29.000 old man to this growling snarl bear. And every time 1857 01:51:29.039 --> 01:51:30.800 he would dose, he came to me because he said 1858 01:51:30.840 --> 01:51:33.359 that he would talk at WATSCA retreated. This thing happened 1859 01:51:33.359 --> 01:51:34.880 and the people were like, yeah, we can't deal with 1860 01:51:34.920 --> 01:51:37.600 you bro, and I was like, I'll try, I'll see 1861 01:51:37.600 --> 01:51:39.920 what's up. And so he comes down and this first 1862 01:51:39.960 --> 01:51:42.760 experience happens on three grams and it's like, Okay, that's weird. 1863 01:51:42.800 --> 01:51:45.359 I need needs mushrooms and sit with this too. So 1864 01:51:45.439 --> 01:51:48.159 the next time we ate mushrooms and it got weirder, 1865 01:51:48.199 --> 01:51:51.119 and this beare thing started to get verbal, like very 1866 01:51:51.159 --> 01:51:54.279 slowly started to get words. And then it like on 1867 01:51:54.359 --> 01:51:57.840 the third dose, it was freaking everybody out. It was 1868 01:51:58.000 --> 01:52:00.399 poor and rain, so we were all under this little 1869 01:52:00.399 --> 01:52:06.880 cabana tripping together and he was like rowllying and saying 1870 01:52:06.920 --> 01:52:10.159 all this stuff and it was like really freaking people out, 1871 01:52:10.720 --> 01:52:12.880 and I could I could feel that there was something 1872 01:52:13.000 --> 01:52:15.039 like he was saying, I am a god who has 1873 01:52:15.119 --> 01:52:17.880 returned to Earth to bring healing and to bring balance 1874 01:52:17.960 --> 01:52:21.000 and protect the feminine and all this stuff, and I 1875 01:52:21.119 --> 01:52:22.760 was just like, what is this? But it was like 1876 01:52:22.840 --> 01:52:25.880 freaking other people out. And so he would do all 1877 01:52:25.920 --> 01:52:28.640 this stuff with his eyes closed the whole time. He 1878 01:52:28.760 --> 01:52:32.960 do his eye clothes and like when I'm holding space, 1879 01:52:33.000 --> 01:52:34.880 I'm always walking barefoot so I could be silent. And 1880 01:52:34.920 --> 01:52:37.640 so there was one point I was walking by him 1881 01:52:37.840 --> 01:52:40.640 when he was in the bear mode and he just 1882 01:52:40.680 --> 01:52:44.079 like sits up. It's like the peak of it. I'm 1883 01:52:44.239 --> 01:52:48.039 tripping balls. I'm just like, fucking is so intense, and 1884 01:52:48.279 --> 01:52:51.479 everybody is just like fucking bother. They like what is 1885 01:52:51.520 --> 01:52:54.399 going on? And I'm just like, cool, We're all good. 1886 01:52:54.479 --> 01:52:58.600 We're all good. And I'm walking kind of pacing around him, 1887 01:52:58.640 --> 01:53:00.960 trying to keep like a boundary from people so they 1888 01:53:01.039 --> 01:53:04.840 feel protected or whatever. And he like sits up and 1889 01:53:04.880 --> 01:53:07.960 he turns with his eyes closed and he faces me, 1890 01:53:08.399 --> 01:53:12.399 like I'm to his left, and he turns and faces me. 1891 01:53:13.640 --> 01:53:19.000 I was like, yes, he goes, you are no here, 1892 01:53:21.000 --> 01:53:23.800 and I was just like, you know, you hang around 1893 01:53:23.800 --> 01:53:27.560 long enough, you're bound to make a few friends, and 1894 01:53:27.560 --> 01:53:30.560 and then that was it. But like that to me, 1895 01:53:30.880 --> 01:53:34.720 I was like, when that happened, I was like, the fuck, 1896 01:53:35.800 --> 01:53:40.600 there are beings that are watching me. I have a 1897 01:53:40.680 --> 01:53:44.560 reputation in the spirit world. Is that what this means? 1898 01:53:45.199 --> 01:53:48.279 And so later, years later, I never knew what to 1899 01:53:48.319 --> 01:53:52.039 make of it. I mean, I understood it to be 1900 01:53:52.039 --> 01:53:57.600 benevolent eventually, and I just actually had a ceremony recently 1901 01:53:57.640 --> 01:54:01.199 that helped to integrate this. But years later I was 1902 01:54:01.520 --> 01:54:03.800 home back here in the States, and I was watching 1903 01:54:03.840 --> 01:54:08.960 this YouTube channel this father and son who were poltergeist experts, 1904 01:54:09.000 --> 01:54:14.319 and like the CIA, FBI, whenever there's like poltergeists, they 1905 01:54:14.359 --> 01:54:18.199 called them in to come help assess the case whatnot. 1906 01:54:18.520 --> 01:54:22.199 They'd had like some wild stories, and he was telling 1907 01:54:22.279 --> 01:54:25.720 this story of was They were asking like, well, do 1908 01:54:25.760 --> 01:54:28.640 you ever encounter like could beings or whatever. He's like, yeah, 1909 01:54:28.720 --> 01:54:35.439 you know, one time we encountered this this person who 1910 01:54:35.560 --> 01:54:40.000 seemed to be possessed by it called itself a bear god, 1911 01:54:40.680 --> 01:54:43.600 and it said it was like here to bring healing 1912 01:54:43.680 --> 01:54:47.640 and restore balance and protect the feminine. And I was 1913 01:54:47.760 --> 01:54:52.520 like what, it's exactly that describes exactly what I was 1914 01:54:52.640 --> 01:54:57.920 experiencing there, right. And then about two months ago, we 1915 01:54:57.920 --> 01:55:02.760 were in ceremony and this woman has this statue of 1916 01:55:02.800 --> 01:55:06.119 a bear standing behind a woman and I was like, 1917 01:55:06.439 --> 01:55:09.359 what is that bear? And she's like, oh, that's uh, 1918 01:55:09.640 --> 01:55:15.039 that's the Norse I think its Norse God. I forgot 1919 01:55:15.119 --> 01:55:18.000 it's not Artemis, it's something like that, but it's it 1920 01:55:18.159 --> 01:55:22.880 is this spirit that is a bear god that protects 1921 01:55:22.880 --> 01:55:25.239 the feminine. And when I saw that, I was like, 1922 01:55:26.199 --> 01:55:30.079 that's I think that's what I encountered I think that's what. 1923 01:55:30.960 --> 01:55:37.079 And I have also had the most compelling and the 1924 01:55:37.119 --> 01:55:39.039 thing that I feel most compelled to talk about anymore 1925 01:55:39.079 --> 01:55:43.119 these days around this is the first time it happened. 1926 01:55:44.199 --> 01:55:48.000 I was in my basement grinding up honeur I used 1927 01:55:48.000 --> 01:55:51.479 to grow convinces on field collective orsepreneur that I would sterilize. 1928 01:55:51.479 --> 01:55:56.640 And I was in my basement grinding who and all 1929 01:55:56.640 --> 01:56:00.119 of a sudden there was like I couldn't see it, 1930 01:56:00.199 --> 01:56:02.520 but there was a woman beside me, and she was 1931 01:56:02.560 --> 01:56:06.279 like just radiating love. She was behind me, and I 1932 01:56:06.439 --> 01:56:09.880 just was like overwhelmed and just started crying. And I 1933 01:56:09.960 --> 01:56:12.760 just felt like all this deep, deep love was just 1934 01:56:12.880 --> 01:56:16.039 overwhelmed with love, and like just okay, okay, okay, okay. 1935 01:56:16.039 --> 01:56:18.479 I was just like it was so sacred and so 1936 01:56:18.479 --> 01:56:21.199 so intense and just sat there with it and sobbed 1937 01:56:21.239 --> 01:56:25.680 and felt her love. And then that night I had 1938 01:56:25.680 --> 01:56:28.600 already planned a mushroom ceremony that night by myself, and 1939 01:56:28.600 --> 01:56:30.600 so I thought like, wow, this is gonna be a 1940 01:56:30.600 --> 01:56:34.880 good one. So I go any mushrooms and six grams 1941 01:56:35.000 --> 01:56:39.840 lay there by myself. Nothing happens, nothing happens. It's like, well, yes, 1942 01:56:40.000 --> 01:56:42.239 it's not happened. So I just gave up and laid 1943 01:56:42.279 --> 01:56:46.119 down by the fire, and when I did closed my eyes, 1944 01:56:46.199 --> 01:56:49.800 she like appeared before me in my eyes and I 1945 01:56:49.840 --> 01:56:52.479 was like, ah, sweet hair goes. And then she like 1946 01:56:52.680 --> 01:56:57.279 stepped aside, and I was pummeled with every negative thing 1947 01:56:57.279 --> 01:57:00.399 that I had ever done to women in my life, everys, 1948 01:57:00.439 --> 01:57:03.119 every girlfriend, everything that I'd ever done. It was shitty 1949 01:57:03.159 --> 01:57:07.159 to woman. And so I went through that for several hours. 1950 01:57:07.159 --> 01:57:12.199 Well fast forward many many years later. This was one 1951 01:57:12.239 --> 01:57:14.199 of the most profound thing that's ever happened to me. 1952 01:57:14.359 --> 01:57:18.319 And I don't share it in any way like feel 1953 01:57:18.359 --> 01:57:21.520 like I'm not special. All this is accessible to all 1954 01:57:21.560 --> 01:57:25.000 of us. She is here for all of us. But 1955 01:57:25.560 --> 01:57:28.880 the last retreat in Jamaica before COVID, there was a 1956 01:57:28.960 --> 01:57:32.840 lady well rwind little bit there was in twenty seventeen, 1957 01:57:33.000 --> 01:57:35.479 I did a solo nose here in my home where 1958 01:57:35.520 --> 01:57:39.039 I went through this series of initiations and I was 1959 01:57:39.079 --> 01:57:45.600 brought into this circle of female like Maria Sabina's clan 1960 01:57:45.760 --> 01:57:49.079 is what it felt like, the heaters, you know, and 1961 01:57:49.159 --> 01:57:51.199 they were like, good, you passed the test, all right, 1962 01:57:51.520 --> 01:57:54.479 come into our circle. So I had this experience, well, 1963 01:57:54.600 --> 01:57:56.960 fast forward to twenty twenty. It was twenty seventeen, and 1964 01:57:56.960 --> 01:57:59.720 in twenty twenty, this woman came to our retreats and 1965 01:57:59.760 --> 01:58:04.920 she is of Mexican origin. On the first dose, I 1966 01:58:04.920 --> 01:58:08.359 could feel her like kind of like psychically calling to me, 1967 01:58:09.359 --> 01:58:12.159 and I just like, don't just run to people. I'm 1968 01:58:12.159 --> 01:58:13.720 just like, all right, well, we got to beat together, 1969 01:58:13.760 --> 01:58:16.319 we'll figure this out. Like I'm just gonna let that be. 1970 01:58:16.479 --> 01:58:18.800 And I'm not. I'm not like you. I'm not your boy. 1971 01:58:18.960 --> 01:58:20.920 You know. People kind of had this idea like, oh, 1972 01:58:21.039 --> 01:58:23.880 Eric's the guy, and I'm like that just so I 1973 01:58:23.960 --> 01:58:29.760 left it. And so the next dose we did, we 1974 01:58:31.600 --> 01:58:35.800 my dosed with them, and the same woman she walks 1975 01:58:35.840 --> 01:58:37.760 over to me about an hour in She's like, Eric, 1976 01:58:37.760 --> 01:58:41.399 can ask a question. I was like, yeah, sick, how 1977 01:58:41.399 --> 01:58:45.520 come you don't recognize me? And immediately I was taken 1978 01:58:45.640 --> 01:58:50.199 back to that circle of Maza tech healer women and 1979 01:58:50.239 --> 01:58:52.640 I was like, oh my god, oh my god. All right, 1980 01:58:53.279 --> 01:58:57.319 I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry, and she like stormed 1981 01:58:57.359 --> 01:59:00.640 off and she went and sat in her spot. I 1982 01:59:00.640 --> 01:59:02.600 gave her about an hour. I walked over there and 1983 01:59:03.520 --> 01:59:06.640 asked if I could sit down since sure, so I 1984 01:59:06.680 --> 01:59:11.000 sat down and over the next three hours or so, 1985 01:59:11.880 --> 01:59:17.880 she channeled this divine mother and told me my past, 1986 01:59:18.359 --> 01:59:22.359 told me. She didn't directly tell me about sanctuary then, 1987 01:59:22.439 --> 01:59:27.119 but she alluded to this work that we're doing now. 1988 01:59:27.520 --> 01:59:29.359 That was the last trip before it was the last 1989 01:59:29.359 --> 01:59:31.800 ceremony before COVID when our retreats shut down and we 1990 01:59:31.880 --> 01:59:34.079 ended up coming back to the States very shortly after. 1991 01:59:36.760 --> 01:59:41.279 And the next day, the guy there was so much 1992 01:59:41.960 --> 01:59:44.680 she spent like two hours, three hours just like telling 1993 01:59:44.720 --> 01:59:47.239 me my life and telling me all this stuff about 1994 01:59:47.560 --> 01:59:50.960 how I could just like be joyful that we were 1995 01:59:51.000 --> 01:59:54.760 all watched over. The mother was always with us and 1996 01:59:55.159 --> 01:59:57.720 knew stuff about me that the woman could have never known, 1997 01:59:57.800 --> 02:00:00.560 you know, the individual who was doing the champl ever known. 1998 02:00:01.840 --> 02:00:03.520 And then that woman the next day, he told me 1999 02:00:04.479 --> 02:00:06.279 after breakfast, She's like, yeah, I got to talk to you. 2000 02:00:06.319 --> 02:00:08.760 I was like, yeah, what's up. She's like, you know, 2001 02:00:09.640 --> 02:00:12.039 since I was eight years old, I've been dreaming about 2002 02:00:12.039 --> 02:00:13.880 a man that I thought was supposed to be my husband. 2003 02:00:14.079 --> 02:00:17.399 It's like, I'm fifty now I'm married. I've been dreaming 2004 02:00:17.399 --> 02:00:20.279 about him almost every week since I was a kid. 2005 02:00:20.880 --> 02:00:24.319 And when I got off the bus, I saw you 2006 02:00:24.439 --> 02:00:26.920 and I realized this is the person I've been dreaming of. 2007 02:00:27.039 --> 02:00:28.399 And she's like, I'm not telling you that because I 2008 02:00:28.399 --> 02:00:30.079 think you're supposed to my husband. I'm telling you that 2009 02:00:30.159 --> 02:00:33.319 because I think you're supposed to know that that message 2010 02:00:33.319 --> 02:00:38.319 from yesterday was really important. And since I've been reading 2011 02:00:38.399 --> 02:00:42.800 Chris Bloodsoe stuff and some of the I've been studying 2012 02:00:43.239 --> 02:00:46.600 kind of the I've had some experiences with what I 2013 02:00:46.640 --> 02:00:52.720 would classify as Egyptian deities, and Hawthor being one of them, 2014 02:00:53.479 --> 02:00:59.000 which Chris Bloodsoe talks about the lady being Authoror. I 2015 02:00:59.039 --> 02:01:02.880 have had multiple encounters at this point up to recently. 2016 02:01:02.960 --> 02:01:05.840 I believe that she was the inspiration for this Global 2017 02:01:05.880 --> 02:01:08.279 Dose day to Hono Maria Sabina where it just came 2018 02:01:08.319 --> 02:01:10.439 to me that this is I was like praying to 2019 02:01:10.640 --> 02:01:12.560 the goddess the night and it was like, this is 2020 02:01:12.560 --> 02:01:18.000 what you're doing next, Okay, So you know, all that 2021 02:01:18.079 --> 02:01:21.439 is just to say that there is another world. There 2022 02:01:21.439 --> 02:01:25.239 are beings that we can talk with that are looking 2023 02:01:25.279 --> 02:01:29.640 out for us, that are on our side, and one 2024 02:01:29.680 --> 02:01:36.000 of them that is being made prominently known now is 2025 02:01:36.079 --> 02:01:41.800 this divine mother, This this goddess uh and so I've 2026 02:01:41.800 --> 02:01:44.319 been beginning. I've been beginning to share that a little 2027 02:01:44.319 --> 02:01:47.880 bit more freely because it feels really important, and I 2028 02:01:47.960 --> 02:01:53.279 am starting to understand that it is she is, in 2029 02:01:53.479 --> 02:01:56.439 large part what is ultimately behind the work that I'm doing. 2030 02:01:58.279 --> 02:02:01.399 Wow, what an incredible story. I'd love to be able 2031 02:02:01.439 --> 02:02:02.920 to add on to that, but I know you got 2032 02:02:02.960 --> 02:02:03.800 to bounce here soon. 2033 02:02:04.319 --> 02:02:05.920 But that is amazing. 2034 02:02:06.000 --> 02:02:08.079 I definitely want to be able to have you back on, 2035 02:02:08.119 --> 02:02:10.039 and I want to go as deep as we possibly 2036 02:02:10.079 --> 02:02:12.520 can on many more of these stories and lessons and 2037 02:02:12.560 --> 02:02:14.920 stuff like that. I love the work that you're doing. 2038 02:02:15.039 --> 02:02:18.840 I think that it is highly beneficial to humanity and 2039 02:02:18.880 --> 02:02:20.640 consciousness all together. 2040 02:02:20.760 --> 02:02:21.039 Really. 2041 02:02:21.720 --> 02:02:23.399 But before I let you go, we always do a 2042 02:02:23.439 --> 02:02:26.239 tarot reading at the end of every show. WHOA Okay, 2043 02:02:27.119 --> 02:02:29.560 And I pulled a card while you were talking right there, 2044 02:02:29.560 --> 02:02:32.760 and I usually try, and you know, I try and 2045 02:02:33.319 --> 02:02:36.880 have the energy of the conversation flow into the cards 2046 02:02:36.880 --> 02:02:38.840 and then the rite one pop out is how is 2047 02:02:39.119 --> 02:02:40.720 how I go about it? And I usually only have 2048 02:02:40.800 --> 02:02:44.960 one card. And the card we got today is the 2049 02:02:45.000 --> 02:02:49.000 Page of Wands, as you can see right there. And 2050 02:02:49.119 --> 02:02:50.800 I like to read from this book, but it says 2051 02:02:51.239 --> 02:02:55.760 the messenger of fire brings exciting news. Be open to 2052 02:02:55.840 --> 02:02:59.079 adventurous opportunities. The page of Wands is full of youthful 2053 02:02:59.199 --> 02:03:01.960 energy and may represent a child or younger person, or 2054 02:03:02.000 --> 02:03:04.800 even a message from your own inner child, urging you 2055 02:03:04.920 --> 02:03:08.119 to be more playful and adventurous. The young page stands 2056 02:03:08.119 --> 02:03:10.760 still gazing at his wand as if he is imagining 2057 02:03:10.800 --> 02:03:13.520 its endless uses. It is unusual to see him in 2058 02:03:13.600 --> 02:03:17.159 motionless contemplation, a posture that reveals his connection to the 2059 02:03:17.199 --> 02:03:21.039 earth element. He is both grounded and curious, a combination 2060 02:03:21.159 --> 02:03:24.199 that allows him to play without getting hurt, as noted 2061 02:03:24.239 --> 02:03:27.720 on his tunic by the salamanders creatures with fireproof skin. 2062 02:03:29.319 --> 02:03:31.760 That is so cool, dude, because I feel like it 2063 02:03:31.880 --> 02:03:37.159 really takes an excited, almost childlike, adventurous type of mentality 2064 02:03:37.399 --> 02:03:40.199 to even go into the mysteries of what we're talking 2065 02:03:40.239 --> 02:03:42.960 about right here, like without a shadow of a doubt. 2066 02:03:43.000 --> 02:03:46.439 Don't take it too serious, but you know, like don't 2067 02:03:46.439 --> 02:03:49.479 get wrapped up and I'm the one, or you know, 2068 02:03:49.600 --> 02:03:52.279 I'm the most important figure. Here's the thing, Like we 2069 02:03:52.399 --> 02:03:55.399 are the one and we're also the zero, Like I 2070 02:03:55.720 --> 02:03:59.760 think like we're both at the same time, right, So 2071 02:04:00.039 --> 02:04:00.680 I appreciate that. 2072 02:04:01.199 --> 02:04:03.520 Was her main message to me was you can play. 2073 02:04:03.960 --> 02:04:07.520 You are safe to play. Now go and play and 2074 02:04:07.600 --> 02:04:10.039 spread this message, and that's what I've been trying to 2075 02:04:10.039 --> 02:04:11.199 do so perfect. 2076 02:04:11.840 --> 02:04:12.600 Awesome, man. 2077 02:04:12.680 --> 02:04:14.680 Well, look, if anybody wants to be able to learn 2078 02:04:14.680 --> 02:04:16.520 more about you or be able to reach out to 2079 02:04:16.560 --> 02:04:18.319 you find all of your stuff, where would they go 2080 02:04:18.439 --> 02:04:18.880 to do so? 2081 02:04:19.199 --> 02:04:21.800 On social I'm mainly active on TikTok right now of 2082 02:04:21.880 --> 02:04:24.840 the Facebook because we're doing this Global Dose Day that 2083 02:04:24.920 --> 02:04:27.159 I have a Facebook page for that, so you can 2084 02:04:27.239 --> 02:04:30.520 check out the Global Dose Day there or my personal 2085 02:04:30.520 --> 02:04:33.760 page Eric Osborne TikTok, Eric is Osborne YouTube. I've got 2086 02:04:33.760 --> 02:04:35.920 a podcast where I'm just kind of doing like some 2087 02:04:35.960 --> 02:04:39.359 talking here type stuff these days. I've got a lot 2088 02:04:39.439 --> 02:04:41.760 of content from over the years. I've done so many 2089 02:04:41.760 --> 02:04:47.439 different podcasts and that's Eric is Osborne. And yeah, man, 2090 02:04:47.439 --> 02:04:49.439 it's good to start Sanctuary. If you're interested in the 2091 02:04:49.479 --> 02:04:52.359 church that we have Sanctuary dot of Orbit Sanctuary with 2092 02:04:52.399 --> 02:04:54.840 a p you check that out on all the socials 2093 02:04:54.920 --> 02:04:56.000 along the website. 2094 02:04:56.439 --> 02:04:59.000 Awesome, thanks so much, And I'll have all those links 2095 02:04:59.039 --> 02:05:00.880 down in the show notes below for people to be 2096 02:05:00.920 --> 02:05:03.199 able to get there with the quickness. But look, with 2097 02:05:03.359 --> 02:05:06.319 that being said, if Eric Osborne came here and he 2098 02:05:06.359 --> 02:05:09.640 taught you at anything, it's that you don't know what 2099 02:05:09.720 --> 02:05:13.000 you don't know, So don't just get weird.