Speaker 1: This is the point right here that my entire world changed.
Speaker 1: You know, when you see something you can't figure what
Speaker 1: it is, your mind's trying to rationalize. That's how Anna works.
Speaker 1: We measured the next morning when we went out there
Speaker 1: to recon it was twenty five foot from us. So
Speaker 1: when it stood up, I mean, it was just a
Speaker 1: mountain dover us. It was standing straight up. It wasn't
Speaker 1: hunched over or anything. And it had a man's profile.
Speaker 1: This thing had broad, massive shoulders, and it was very
Speaker 1: massive creature. But I bet it's probably close to seven
Speaker 1: or eight hundred pounds. Oh, it was this massive. My
Speaker 1: mind's condes figure out where I'm looking at. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say it bad, but I knew it wasn't a bear.
Speaker 1: It looked like a man covered in long hair.
Speaker 2: I'd like to welcome Steve the Bigfoot Crossroads. Steve reached
Speaker 2: out to me recently and shared quite an event, my friend,
Speaker 2: Quite an event. What made you decide to come forward
Speaker 2: and tell your story?
Speaker 1: Well, that's a good question, and I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: you know to kind of shend some right on this
Speaker 1: whole thing. And this happened back to ninths and seventy five,
Speaker 1: and so I just told my age erect. I was
Speaker 1: a nineteen year old soldier in nineteen seventy five stationed
Speaker 1: at Fort polkles In and back then I kept to
Speaker 1: Societe you for all the years, just until recently a
Speaker 1: few years ago. What made me come forward with it?
Speaker 1: Of course I didn't come out for years and years
Speaker 1: because of the fact, you know, you don't want to
Speaker 1: get last at it calls crazy or something like that.
Speaker 1: You know that's not just that. But I just recently
Speaker 1: retired a couple of years ago from a Korea law
Speaker 1: enforcement in law enforcement lostry. You know, you got a
Speaker 1: certain statue and you fear don't want to go ahead
Speaker 1: and walk around. You know two signs. I believe in
Speaker 1: Bigfoot and I believe in UFOs or whatever. You know.
Speaker 1: Just it's even though a lot do they keep it
Speaker 1: to themselves. I did. I didn't want to it getting
Speaker 1: out and I live out in the woods, way out
Speaker 1: in the country out here southwest Losing and about four
Speaker 1: miles off the off the highway, and it's only five
Speaker 1: or six houses on this little hill right here, and
Speaker 1: it's about seven miles out my back door to the woods.
Speaker 1: And the swamps the next house. I live way out here. Hello,
Speaker 1: I love the woods. One of my hunting partners was
Speaker 1: my wife's uncle, and we heard men be married since
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four. It came out of the military and
Speaker 1: her up on. We were hunting Parker three hundred all
Speaker 1: sins world shaw me hop hunted, you know, a deer hundred, squirrel,
Speaker 1: hundred hundred everything. Uh one day and I didn't know
Speaker 1: this until I thought that day he told me. But
Speaker 1: one day I was thinking about going to a swamp
Speaker 1: called Ante Coca Swamp, which is about ten miles from here.
Speaker 1: Pretty rough training, it's pretty rough train. He was about
Speaker 1: seventy three years old time, you know, so here a
Speaker 1: few years ago. So I figured, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know he can make it at night because there was
Speaker 1: his knees and back and everything and age. Of course
Speaker 1: he was on view's views A monscar whould go ahead?
Speaker 1: That was where he wanted to go. But I said, uncle, is,
Speaker 1: let's see if you right, you hunt then nant Coopa
Speaker 1: Swamp And he said, uh no, He shaid, I I'll
Speaker 1: love to go over there at that throw, Okay, I
Speaker 1: had to rough boys, sir. He said no, he said, no,
Speaker 1: tough rough you know me. He said, I can walk
Speaker 1: through the battlefield backwards. And I said, yea, yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: I said, but h I said, we don't want to know.
Speaker 1: There's not a problem. He said, I am in there
Speaker 1: since securifties and I said it's empties and he said yeah.
Speaker 1: He said, I said, what what happened? You heard or something?
Speaker 1: He said no. He said that's not something I already
Speaker 1: talk about. And he said, no one knows about this,
Speaker 1: not even your wife, which is his niece. And he
Speaker 1: said none of the family knew about this. And I
Speaker 1: said I don't want to talk about it. And I said, well,
Speaker 1: that got my curiosity up right, And I said, uh well,
Speaker 1: uncle Rosas, I said, I ain't trying to pressure y'all.
Speaker 1: Go ahead and come out with it. But what happened?
Speaker 1: What I know? You you go anywhere? You know, we've
Speaker 1: run it all over the place. I said what. He said, Well,
Speaker 1: you'll be the first one and I'll tell this too,
Speaker 1: but I appreciate if you don't mix it, you know,
Speaker 1: your wife or hearing or any emails. I said, no,
Speaker 1: I said I Then he clammed up. He said, no,
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't say it, and I can't tell
Speaker 1: you well about that what he got me? And I said,
Speaker 1: you know what, I had a feeling he's seen something
Speaker 1: to know what it was. But I said, if I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get him and tell his story, guess what I
Speaker 1: got to do for the first half. Yeah. So I
Speaker 1: went out and came out with mine and at the
Speaker 1: end of my story, after I finished it, hell man
Speaker 1: el Man of the rock, and he gets He was
Speaker 1: almost in tears. He said, I reckon, I are crazy man.
Speaker 1: And he told me his story and that he's seen
Speaker 1: something very similar. It's ten miles down down a little
Speaker 1: bit here at the Unicook Swamp. And that's what started
Speaker 1: me right there coming out. He came out with the
Speaker 1: first time and he told me his story, and that's
Speaker 1: when I started realizing there are people who know, people
Speaker 1: you all know that have seen these creatures have not
Speaker 1: come out with their story because they're fat. There get
Speaker 1: him the you know of the deeper you know, laughing
Speaker 1: at him or wherever, and so uh that or we
Speaker 1: uh sparked my my coming forward. After that, I had
Speaker 1: started coming a couple of the people about about my
Speaker 1: experience and ended up talking to a sewer that knew
Speaker 1: it knew the guy who does did the a podcast
Speaker 1: Sasquash Theory on YouTube, and I got with him and
Speaker 1: he asked me to do the show. I went ahead
Speaker 1: and did it, and you know, tell my story on that. Well,
Speaker 1: about four months later he got a hold of me
Speaker 1: and he said, hey, he said, you might want to
Speaker 1: check your messages on that podcast. Man, I said, I said, wow,
Speaker 1: I haven't you know, I didn't really figure i'd get
Speaker 1: any response from it that much. You know, he sick
Speaker 1: you pitter go. Look. Well I went back and look
Speaker 1: mine In four months it drew two hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: nine thousand views. Wow, And I said, my didness. So
Speaker 1: are the comments. There's people coming out and asking me.
Speaker 1: You know, he look, your story inspired me to go
Speaker 1: ahead and come forward with mine. So that really I say, hey,
Speaker 1: this is this is something that you know in Avenue
Speaker 1: kind of a blessing in a way. Now I can
Speaker 1: use this holding gun in all these years, you know,
Speaker 1: I can use this to help other people come out
Speaker 1: with theirs. Yeah, and they don't have to go through
Speaker 1: what I went through, giving quiet to have my whole
Speaker 1: korea in law enforcement. And you know, I've taken you know,
Speaker 1: reports from those some people who've seen these things, and
Speaker 1: I never told them my story, of course, but I
Speaker 1: admit sure they understood that I believe every word they
Speaker 1: were saying without having to telling my story because I
Speaker 1: wasn't ready to come out yet.
Speaker 2: The time you took reports personally from bigfoot encounters.
Speaker 1: Sure sure did. Wow, there's been lots of sightings around here.
Speaker 1: That's that's when I started to realizing how many, you know,
Speaker 1: sightings there were. And after that, of course, what Lewis
Speaker 1: told me his story, There's been several sightings out into Sabine,
Speaker 1: which is not far from here, a few miles away
Speaker 1: Sabine River and all area. There is lots of sidings.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Live Black and they're out
Speaker 1: here in leisure On, which is about thirty five miles
Speaker 1: from here, and he did a big foot event over there,
Speaker 1: and they had their first big foot event in nag
Speaker 1: Is Losing there, which is about forty five miles. They
Speaker 1: expected a couple hundred people to show up and there
Speaker 1: was over four thousand people went through there where everybody away,
Speaker 1: how many believers were wearing out there was the mayor.
Speaker 1: The mayor of I was the walling that he's near
Speaker 1: down fifty miles north of here. So there were always
Speaker 1: a small town, small country community, and the mayor contacted
Speaker 1: the BFRO and had them come out to an investigation
Speaker 1: because there were so many SITI speak foot out there,
Speaker 1: patriots out there from Albert Farmer. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: sightings out so here at Casatchian National Forest, which is
Speaker 1: one of the biggest Warne state of lose in little
Speaker 1: we six hundred thousand acres and well the military trains
Speaker 1: out there we call peace on Range. When I was
Speaker 1: stationed at Thornt Pope and so yeah, lots of sightings
Speaker 1: out in this area. I think talk to a lot
Speaker 1: of people since I keyboard of mine amazed just the
Speaker 1: mains on the people that hit that you wouldn't think
Speaker 1: and that never talked to anybody about it. But once
Speaker 1: they hurt my story, they they started coming out. That
Speaker 1: set me on a mission, you know what. They help
Speaker 1: a lot of people go which I did in the military.
Speaker 1: I did that law esforcement. That was our our mandate
Speaker 1: to help people. Well guess what now I'm able to
Speaker 1: help people come forward with their stories and encourage them
Speaker 1: to do so. My story, you know. The entire happened
Speaker 1: out of the blue. When I was stationed at Fort
Speaker 1: Polk back in nineteen seventy five. I had just come
Speaker 1: down from Fort Benning, Georgia and attached the first Sacy
Speaker 1: first Infancy Battalion over here at for a pope back
Speaker 1: then in seventy five, and I had a girlfriend that
Speaker 1: lived on our family farm, and it was kind of
Speaker 1: between Camden, Arkansas and foul K, Arkansas, kind of in
Speaker 1: between that area there out in the woods, and her family,
Speaker 1: her dad and her mama would go ahead and do
Speaker 1: lot or that. They grew their own vegetables as such,
Speaker 1: and they sold them out there towards Camden. Back then,
Speaker 1: Camden was a small town. I don't know how it
Speaker 1: is now, if that's back nine years ago holding back
Speaker 1: there since, But any case, i'd go up there on
Speaker 1: weekends and weekends we'd be off, you know, and we'd
Speaker 1: go ahead and i'd run over there. It's about five
Speaker 1: hour drive four and a half five hour drive up
Speaker 1: to the fall. And I would stay there and got
Speaker 1: to know her family really well, good people. I helped
Speaker 1: her daddy worked the farm in the cattle, the hogs,
Speaker 1: everything they had a two hundred and fifty acre farm
Speaker 1: up there, and a lot of cattle and everything. Helping
Speaker 1: work them and helping build fences as such. I all
Speaker 1: have that cover stuff. So it was great. Her grain
Speaker 1: was back in time around seventy years old. Very strong
Speaker 1: kind of gospel gal. I mean she was. She was
Speaker 1: hair up and a bun, and I'm very religious. And
Speaker 1: she was an incredible cook, And that's one reason I
Speaker 1: went through long drive. She could cook some Friday chicken.
Speaker 1: My goodness, I make your hair jump up, and I'll
Speaker 1: out groceries hiring afraid of them. So I uh, I
Speaker 1: do up there, and she cooks something back home Friday
Speaker 1: even phone when I got up there, and this one
Speaker 1: particular Friday night been up there in June. It was
Speaker 1: a very bright night. The moon was so bright, just
Speaker 1: like daytime. You know how that gets. You can see
Speaker 1: across the fields everything, it's just real bright. This little
Speaker 1: a little man ast you can see everything in detail
Speaker 1: almost eight times. And so it was a beautiful, beautiful night.
Speaker 1: We had just been aished upper. We were sitting in
Speaker 1: the dance all was hunker down there. Uh me and
Speaker 1: my girlfriend, uh her mom and daddy and her two brothers,
Speaker 1: and then of course for granny was in the kitchen
Speaker 1: washing dishes, cleaning up. This is an old farmhouse, you know,
Speaker 1: wooden farmhouse, been there probably one hundred years. Uh sore
Speaker 1: was crick when you walk and everything else had it
Speaker 1: was built up on pilots because they was not far
Speaker 1: from the river, so evidently able to flood out sometimes
Speaker 1: when the house diacked up in about nine thirty that
Speaker 1: night and never better effect yesterday. I'm here counting even
Speaker 1: the visible this thing. Yeah, now thirty eight night. Her
Speaker 1: granny is in the kitchen and she's strains and I'm
Speaker 1: calling about like some gooden knife in her back. We
Speaker 1: all get jumped up, you know, andran in the sereerbody.
Speaker 1: I was the first war in the soldier, you know,
Speaker 1: going and everything else, and I was used to run.
Speaker 1: I went that all the hallway, got in that kitchen,
Speaker 1: and when I came to and made that bend in
Speaker 1: the kitchen door. Here she was sitting on the kitchen floor,
Speaker 1: and I I dang near could have flipped over her.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was like, oh, but she was sitting
Speaker 1: on the floor. That old gal was sitting on the
Speaker 1: floor port at the at the window with the sink,
Speaker 1: and she was just yelling, I've seen it again, I've
Speaker 1: seen it again. Well, you know, uh, the first thing
Speaker 1: in my mind, in my military mind, he saw an intruder,
Speaker 1: someone trying to break in. Scared the fire around every well,
Speaker 1: her girlfriend's daddy, he says, Everyone arm up. So everyone
Speaker 1: went to the pan gun racks on the hall. Will also,
Speaker 1: everyone grabs out, got some lockers, went up the back
Speaker 1: door of the kitchen towards the pasture. We got out
Speaker 1: there and her two butters went to the right, and
Speaker 1: you know, daddy went to her to left. We come
Speaker 1: off there and the first thing, you know, I'm coming
Speaker 1: off some steps and I looked for off the pasture.
Speaker 1: Like I said, that bright moon was just so bright.
Speaker 1: I could see the cattle on the far end and
Speaker 1: they were all hunkered up and they were cutting up.
Speaker 1: That's the sign when they do that. Of course, you
Speaker 1: know that they're this predator about. So what got my
Speaker 1: attention was this three root kick counts just hunting dogs.
Speaker 1: Those things would cut up. I mean, they weren't scared nothing, son,
Speaker 1: and uh, they were full grown now and they ready
Speaker 1: to run hintry everything. They were under the house and
Speaker 1: they were all hungried down there, whining, scared to death.
Speaker 1: That's what got my attention. That's what got me thinking,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, if we're after an intruder, there's one
Speaker 1: big fella, one big bad fella. And uh so I
Speaker 1: went ahead and I asked her that. I said, hey,
Speaker 1: when you're put the dogs, he said, don't worry about that,
Speaker 1: to stay close behind me. I'm thinking I thought of
Speaker 1: it antoner. Well, was I in for a shock? I
Speaker 1: faced my life on being level headed and everything. You know,
Speaker 1: if I keep seeing, it ain't real. That's what I
Speaker 1: always thought. That changed to tonight. We're usually walking, uh
Speaker 1: towards this corner post. We had just built a fence
Speaker 1: divider for instaid, divided the pastor from a fifty acre swamp.
Speaker 1: He didn't want this cattlegoing in that swamp. It was
Speaker 1: a pretty bad side. Oh at Briar's thickets and all
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So we're coaching. Yet we caught a stunt,
Speaker 1: pretty rough, sound like something dead mixed with Madden piss.
Speaker 1: And he said it spelled pretty rough. And if he
Speaker 1: got close to that, I was thinking to say something
Speaker 1: about that. We jumped out saw and jumped up and
Speaker 1: that thinking. I mean about fifteen ft in front of that,
Speaker 1: in that swamp there's a big old rider of thicket.
Speaker 1: So it was tiring and burning. Uh. Then we couldn't
Speaker 1: see it, couldn't make it out because it was so
Speaker 1: thick and cunder. But it was turning, burning, but I
Speaker 1: mean breaking limbs, just stomping leaves. I mean he was
Speaker 1: just like a two thousand pound of rhino, just turning
Speaker 1: the cycles. And then all of a sudden it jumped
Speaker 1: into the into the past. This is the point right
Speaker 1: here that my entire world changed, And this is I'm
Speaker 1: looking at this thing. You know, when you see something
Speaker 1: you can't figure out what it is, your mind's tried
Speaker 1: to rationalize. That's how the line works. That's about twenty
Speaker 1: five foot from I said, we want to talking about
Speaker 1: one hundred yards away. We measured the next morning when
Speaker 1: we went out there recon it was twenty five foot
Speaker 1: from us. So when it stood up, it was a
Speaker 1: month I mean, it was just a mountain dover us.
Speaker 1: It was philanthomous now. So when it stood up, it
Speaker 1: was facing to our right. So we saw that, we
Speaker 1: saw its right profile, and it stood up. It had
Speaker 1: long arms. And next send. In that bright moon, I
Speaker 1: could see everything ingo hands right, it was hands with
Speaker 1: below its knees. They were standing straight up. It wasn't
Speaker 1: hunched over or anything. But it had very broad shoulders,
Speaker 1: and it had a man's profile. You're not a bear.
Speaker 1: Bears got a snout. It's very you know, you look
Speaker 1: at us. A bear's protofile, it's got a snout. A
Speaker 1: bear's got slope shoulders. This thing had broad, massive shoulders,
Speaker 1: and it was very massive creature. But I bet it's
Speaker 1: probably close to seven or eight hundred pounds. Wow and lose. Oh,
Speaker 1: it was just massive. On my mind's kind of figure
Speaker 1: out where I'm looking at. I'm srying to say bear,
Speaker 1: but I knew it wasn't a bear, not just the
Speaker 1: fact that bears and knockings, and I don't get no
Speaker 1: more no taller than find maybe fine foot standing on
Speaker 1: two feet, but this thing was eight foot maybe seven hundred,
Speaker 1: eight hundred pounds. It looked like a man covered in
Speaker 1: long hair. And then all of a sudden need this
Speaker 1: bolted gold. He took off of a rocket, ran away
Speaker 1: from didn't try to attack us. He ran like a
Speaker 1: flag star. It didn't never sound all fours. It ran
Speaker 1: like a track star, I mean, arms pumping every on
Speaker 1: two feet. And I definitely it wasn't a bear because
Speaker 1: I see where as lose, I seemed black to all
Speaker 1: kinds of bears. And the bears drew walk like a
Speaker 1: man us. But they cannot run like a man. They
Speaker 1: had to follow the all four to run because they're
Speaker 1: hitting the leg structure. Mart all aim to run right
Speaker 1: on two foot. So this thing ran in a pack
Speaker 1: star across the whole past there like you or me
Speaker 1: would run across the pasture. Well, they have tracked the
Speaker 1: calg and went across that candy boy. I'm inside the
Speaker 1: factor going through it, and you know he shattered that
Speaker 1: cattle gate. And at that point that's what we figured
Speaker 1: we were from the pracilion any further. Uh. And I
Speaker 1: had a partner, right, I was telling us till he
Speaker 1: said he said, well I should caligat you know, may,
Speaker 1: would you know Boston wood or something? We do that
Speaker 1: thing I had two by oak. If you never tried
Speaker 1: to go ahead and break it oak two by six,
Speaker 1: number one, they're heaviest. I'll get out number two here.
Speaker 1: We can do it. It can happen, so especially a
Speaker 1: few of them there and I'll be real serming Freeing
Speaker 1: four conjunction over there, we had tie in and it
Speaker 1: shattered them. It's shattered, it's splentered those things. Now we
Speaker 1: needn't pursue it until the next morning and get a
Speaker 1: recon of course, went out there and we checked everything,
Speaker 1: you know, expected earthman, that's when we really saw the
Speaker 1: damage did. But after it ran for that, yeah, Eferic
Speaker 1: shattered that that cattle get a roar. I ain't never
Speaker 1: heard of my life. Now, I've been down hut Wood
Speaker 1: since nineteen eighties, eighty eighty six. We came out here
Speaker 1: and moved out here, and uh, that's a lot of years.
Speaker 1: I've heard everything, how I mean, growl and roar everything
Speaker 1: out and I ain't never heard about that. That that
Speaker 1: was most worth like here. He is the worst, more
Speaker 1: loudest for I've ever heard, you know, my life. And
Speaker 1: so once it did that, of course, then their tircomer
Speaker 1: two brothers on the other side of Boston Nation. Do
Speaker 1: you hear that? Did you guys hear that we we've
Speaker 1: seen this thing. Yeah, well heard that he was not
Speaker 1: ready to have hard that he was ready and he
Speaker 1: fell east, sat down and he didn't know his I
Speaker 1: won't do or won't do? He said, this thing is
Speaker 1: coming around every once in a while. He said, I
Speaker 1: don't know what to do and live, take my family.
Speaker 1: And I said, this is coming around every once in
Speaker 1: a while when it means sense? Why green? He said,
Speaker 1: she's she didn't see seeing it again? What want at
Speaker 1: the window? Yeah? I had it up and I said,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you tell me what we was going after?
Speaker 1: And he said, would you come out to the house
Speaker 1: of my chlch He's got a point there. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: said that the man. So I said, yeah, God, I said,
Speaker 1: what is it? He said, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I have no idea, but he's coming around here ever
Speaker 1: once going on their farms. You know that farmhouse is
Speaker 1: probably about a mile from the nearest house, so they're
Speaker 1: isolated out there. Uh. And the first thing I did,
Speaker 1: I said, buddy, as you can never decided to go
Speaker 1: ahead and think about contacting Wilding Fisheries or or Jared
Speaker 1: Partner or something. He said, oh no, uh, we can't
Speaker 1: do that. And I said why not? I said, at
Speaker 1: least they can do any investigation. He said, they laugh.
Speaker 1: Just remember two we can't afford to go and do
Speaker 1: that because we have a We see our products, our
Speaker 1: vegetables and everything over there and outside of Camden. I said,
Speaker 1: we can't run our businesses would laugh at or think
Speaker 1: we're crazy. He said, no, I don't want that done,
Speaker 1: he said. He said, we're gonna keep it to ourselves.
Speaker 1: And he said, I ask you if you wouldn't do
Speaker 1: the same when you go back to Ford Polk, just
Speaker 1: don't talk about this for that time. What Vings kind
Speaker 1: of calmed down. We got side there and everyone just
Speaker 1: kind of hunked it up. I asked her, I, ma'am,
Speaker 1: I said, if you don't mind, and I said, I
Speaker 1: was curious how it's base looked and she said, well,
Speaker 1: she said, look like a huge man's face. But it
Speaker 1: wasn't any man in that sense. Heals me Ins.
Speaker 3: Said that, and he said, I think that's because she
Speaker 3: was a Pentecostal and you know they don't understand, you know,
Speaker 3: they don't believe anything other than what we see in
Speaker 3: their eyes.
Speaker 1: Well, she said it had red glowing eyes. Anyway, she says,
Speaker 1: come around a few times. It looks in the window. Uh.
Speaker 1: Never tried to break in the house and the only
Speaker 1: thing that never broke or destroyed was of course that
Speaker 1: cattle game that night. She's but prior to that never
Speaker 1: destroyed anything. They knew her and never tried to you know,
Speaker 1: hurt her or anything. And we just you know, surmised
Speaker 1: that her cooking, probably when they hadn't drawed it in
Speaker 1: curiosity or such. Yeah, why it would come around every
Speaker 1: once in a while. Any case, we stayed up on
Speaker 1: that long year, the society drinking coffee all that long.
Speaker 1: No one was to sleep that night. Or if we
Speaker 1: found the foot plants and everything, I mean measae those
Speaker 1: that are around seventeen or half inches in the lanth
Speaker 1: or it happens white flag as they were pretty big
Speaker 1: feet I mean, and shining you on two by six,
Speaker 1: rapped the bob wi and I we found chunks of
Speaker 1: air and everything in that bob wire. Now that wasn't
Speaker 1: even a thought back there. Of course, didn't have cell phones,
Speaker 1: didn't exist back there in our computers, so you know,
Speaker 1: we hadn't seen that. I wish, I think I wish
Speaker 1: I grabbed the wat that hair, kept it as a keepsake,
Speaker 1: but didn't even think about it. Yeah, in that time frame.
Speaker 1: And then that's a but anyway, we found that when
Speaker 1: they had uh noticed, about twenty foot from to the
Speaker 1: right of that caligate was the corner post where of
Speaker 1: the pasture and it was being out of a cut
Speaker 1: down telephone pole, and it was something about five foot
Speaker 1: deep in the ground. And of course it was laid over.
Speaker 1: The pressure that was forced that chrish creature going through
Speaker 1: that caligate and used going through it like it did
Speaker 1: like a the nine dos or just pulled that that
Speaker 1: corner post over didn't break. We dug it up. Man,
Speaker 1: it was laid over getting ready, laid it over. That's
Speaker 1: some force and well that ain't nothing uh career left
Speaker 1: of it. About twenty five foot was there was a
Speaker 1: squeeze shoot for the cattle and that was all bowed up.
Speaker 1: It had bent them bars. I mean, is gaining them
Speaker 1: all up from the forest we're going through you won't
Speaker 1: get uh. So we need the force of this thing
Speaker 1: and the power had of course it went on through
Speaker 1: a saw street buyer fitted. We didn't go any further
Speaker 1: than that. So after that, uh went about the post.
Speaker 1: They asked me to keep my mouth shirt and I did.
Speaker 1: Now I arned it. Never talked about it to anybody
Speaker 1: and kill the mouse, shutting this putting the back of
Speaker 1: my mind. And of course every the weekend's going back
Speaker 1: after that, you never seen it again. Didn't they see
Speaker 1: it during the week when I wasn't there, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't ask, and they sure didn't tell me. Uh,
Speaker 1: that was their business. But I when I weekends out
Speaker 1: was there after that, I didn't see it. And we
Speaker 1: didn't even talk about it. We didn'tven bring it up.
Speaker 1: In seventy six, I got orders dcs to overseas in Europe,
Speaker 1: and so I went overseas and that was the last
Speaker 1: of it. We broke up her and then, you know,
Speaker 1: not just not getting mad at each other. I told her,
Speaker 1: I said, well, I'll be darn for a few years
Speaker 1: over seas. So I said, go ahead and we get
Speaker 1: as we say, friends and that was it. While we
Speaker 1: came back both seas one one, I went ahead and uh,
Speaker 1: I ats out in the military and got married befoward
Speaker 1: my wife here married to now and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, everything kept us out of all the years,
Speaker 1: my whole career, and then well I never told the kids,
Speaker 1: never told my wife or anything. Yeah. Uh, and you know,
Speaker 1: but finally I told them you know about it. You know,
Speaker 1: they were they were pretty interest because those they're minded,
Speaker 1: well my boys was open minded. One plays in the
Speaker 1: band he was out in in Nashville, and the other
Speaker 1: one he's a uh he's rewarding over a prison out here, Lizianna.
Speaker 1: So you know, they're both professionals, but they have minds
Speaker 1: and they both believe, you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: things going on in this world that you know, we
Speaker 1: don't know. And uh, my wife she halfway believes it,
Speaker 1: you know. She she says, he has a hard time
Speaker 1: understanding this thing, but she heard it from my uncle too,
Speaker 1: his story, and she well, there's always something not here.
Speaker 1: But soon they were soonere before she's one kind of
Speaker 1: seeing is believing. Well that's how I was, and trus
Speaker 1: Sing was believed. I've not seen one since now. People
Speaker 1: ask me all the time. A matter of fact, Uh,
Speaker 1: I did. Had done one podcast for some fellows and
Speaker 1: one of the guys had asked me there was two
Speaker 1: fellaws on that one, uh, commentators, and that had asked me, well,
Speaker 1: it's seven miles at the back doors of the woods. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, you can go out there if you weren't to.
Speaker 1: You can sit there and say you some big foot
Speaker 1: you all the time, and people would believe it because
Speaker 1: the fact no matter that is with all way out
Speaker 1: in the woods, I said, yeah, I could do that,
Speaker 1: but that would have my credibility and building everything. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to do that. I'd never seen right out
Speaker 1: here in this woods. I've hung all these woods. I've
Speaker 1: never seen one. So I'm not gonna tell you I
Speaker 1: saw something I didn't. Yeah, well, I seen what I seen,
Speaker 1: and I know what I sung every time I would
Speaker 1: eat in my house go in the woods, I said, front,
Speaker 1: it's not my mind. I didn't have any experience. Uh.
Speaker 1: While I was in the military, didn't see it. We
Speaker 1: heard it. This one to me hurt and right before
Speaker 1: I went to Europe and U t shased over there.
Speaker 1: But Uh, I was telling you, UH lutrain building was
Speaker 1: called cousar and griddage out. That's the national folk. So
Speaker 1: UH who lay out in the woods. I was a
Speaker 1: strict further its issue first inficsy Rettalian rope. Uh first,
Speaker 1: and portantly the UH had seen something any gay time,
Speaker 1: something huge cross frost in Alfornia in front of all
Speaker 1: those tanks and a PCs uh, and all all of
Speaker 1: the soldiers saw it, including the b C. Kang commander. Well,
Speaker 1: he weing here we saw it, you know. Uh. It
Speaker 1: was like I said close sen for dog, but they
Speaker 1: said governed hare uh. And it ran a command across
Speaker 1: the road and it was running at a high rate
Speaker 1: of speed that no man can run. So the b
Speaker 1: sne called he called the karu here is a headquarters
Speaker 1: which are general how d times post commander or pope
Speaker 1: and uh you reporter, Yeah, of course that point. Uh
Speaker 1: sat down for pope and not shut it down as
Speaker 1: far as working, but you want to hit and shut
Speaker 1: it down to the public. Back in those days, back
Speaker 1: back in at the Vietnam was over and everything and
Speaker 1: it was peacetime. What happened was the military basis would
Speaker 1: go ahead and open up to the public that go
Speaker 1: on there. A lot of the people would go across
Speaker 1: for a pocus advantage because they were Italian. The shortcut
Speaker 1: like a like a bypass road going through Fort Polks
Speaker 1: from South Fork North Fork coming out Highway twenty eight
Speaker 1: was a bypass kind of going to Alexandria. So it
Speaker 1: saved a lot of miles going through Lesville. So they
Speaker 1: used that. Uh, he didn't set it down for that week.
Speaker 1: It was only a military person there and authorized personnel
Speaker 1: that were allowed on post. That week, all the times
Speaker 1: were put on alert. We were all sent out there
Speaker 1: to go ahead and look for this creas the secret
Speaker 1: top thing you full keep hush hush, And we all
Speaker 1: went out there. Uh we we didn't see anything. We
Speaker 1: broke up in teams, you know, for five man teams.
Speaker 1: It's bring down also the woods and it's all big,
Speaker 1: big back area already goes here. He was sinking there.
Speaker 1: We heard something crashed through the woods. Yes on a
Speaker 1: truck hitting a tree. So we went through the woods
Speaker 1: going looked and we found a deuce in half which
Speaker 1: was the military transport. You close up the side smashed.
Speaker 1: We ain't see what get it. We just heard it
Speaker 1: when it happened. So we went through there. Of course
Speaker 1: we hadn't take pictures and everything else of that, and
Speaker 1: then we said report back, carding everything. We went it
Speaker 1: hid and seek and so when it hit, we go back.
Speaker 1: They went and hit and said okay, we carried on.
Speaker 1: Didn't see anything else. Uh, we come back. Of course,
Speaker 1: everyone pulled together across highways here for for polcus our
Speaker 1: honorary Srio go over there. We went over there and
Speaker 1: of course they're how they had a beat and told everybody.
Speaker 1: He said, okay, look this is you know, that's our
Speaker 1: type of thing. No one talks about this. All the
Speaker 1: places blowed to goat Hill with Dolly goad Hills. We
Speaker 1: were carded that I was going towards Leesville. All the
Speaker 1: bars were there were off limits. We couldn't go these.
Speaker 1: They didn't want to talk about it going there for
Speaker 1: a while.
Speaker 2: Did you have any like uh orders or instructions in
Speaker 2: case you did see it.
Speaker 1: We were told to go hit in this radio back
Speaker 1: if we did anything at all, DoD to regress it,
Speaker 1: not to go ahead and try to stop it or anything.
Speaker 1: We didn't have any weapons, no weapons at all. Well
Speaker 1: we've had sixtys. But they had blank adapters on her.
Speaker 1: If you don't know what a blank adapt is, a
Speaker 1: blank adapter is what we use and train and what
Speaker 1: it is. It goes on the end of your barrel
Speaker 1: on your flash oppressor. But you you have blanks. Blanks
Speaker 1: aren't good. I guess a person a little lot of
Speaker 1: deep Yeah, yeah, that's all you have. You had that
Speaker 1: you had your radio and that was it. And in
Speaker 1: course the military cameras they gave you and h then
Speaker 1: you had to go and tend that. And we turned
Speaker 1: all that in wed here to the grape vine. Don't
Speaker 1: know how truly is heard us from the military very fine.
Speaker 1: So soldier sold soldier the soldier. It wasn't from lank
Speaker 1: it was it was from you know, soldier to soldier
Speaker 1: that it was captured. You don't. I can't. I had
Speaker 1: no dentification of that, So I'm not going to say
Speaker 1: it was or wasn't, uh because the military grapevine was
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, hey, whatever, you can leave
Speaker 1: rich sometimes the team, so that I don't know. Uh,
Speaker 1: evidently there were some hunters that's seen it and uh
Speaker 1: also but uh but the thing amount of years is
Speaker 1: once that uh turned the page up a little bit
Speaker 1: once lyle had that uh bigfoot uh thing that we
Speaker 1: hear at the conference over here in lesiel Here a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. So folks from the Kasatsi National
Speaker 1: Forest live out the area had come out, was there
Speaker 1: you know, talking about uh, yeah, there's lots of sightings
Speaker 1: out in the Kasati area. And found that out too.
Speaker 1: I found out there was several several sightings out there
Speaker 1: Kasasi And so it's not that's a big area right here,
Speaker 1: just woods, I mean, anything else live out there. You
Speaker 1: want to see hot Bee National Forest is going going ahead.
Speaker 1: Start in Louisville and highway torn and hit Private twenty
Speaker 1: eight and you drive and you drive all the way
Speaker 1: northeast and see did Alexandria all the woods out there
Speaker 1: who can go through are gonna be after that boar
Speaker 1: every dip A's Linley almost fifty miles from Loves Hills
Speaker 1: to Alexandriez. That's a lot of that's a lot of
Speaker 1: swamping areas out there. And it says so yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's you know, lots of sidings out in that
Speaker 1: area there. There's lots of sidings out in the shab Bean.
Speaker 1: Uh and the course like I say, uh Ana Cooca.
Speaker 1: So Losing is full man met down South Louisiana. And
Speaker 1: of course there's you know the big stories are over
Speaker 1: there Nie Allen Swamp and all that area is there.
Speaker 1: Uh they see these creatures all the time. So named
Speaker 1: Chaffelaya and literally I've been chaffel at Boosing out there.
Speaker 1: You know, we call it the eighteen mile bridge and
Speaker 1: even off of going to the bat rooms, and uh,
Speaker 1: I ten, well, the eighteen mile bridge that is goes
Speaker 1: across a chapel lot, I mean a chaffel at base
Speaker 1: and he goes along some miles and miles miles mile
Speaker 1: and yah, folks living out there I'm talking about and
Speaker 1: it like they was back in eighteen hundreds. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know you even so it's no I mean, there's
Speaker 1: no telling what's out in that area. You know. One
Speaker 1: night I was actually well, it was not right. It
Speaker 1: was right at dusk and I was out hunting. I
Speaker 1: hunt behind the house a lot of times back there.
Speaker 1: It's up Orange yards. It elsa did under stand, and
Speaker 1: I heard something out in the dishes like that. I
Speaker 1: didn't know what it was. I've never heard that before.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the hudoo. It was just I blew it off,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm just seeing the thing. It start. Well,
Speaker 1: it's almost time to go go anyway, so I want
Speaker 1: to head and come up and stand come back to
Speaker 1: the house. And my wife said when he hid, and
Speaker 1: she told me she was I heard something behind the
Speaker 1: house out in the woods, and she says it was
Speaker 1: whipping like I never heard that before, and I said,
Speaker 1: you heard that team, I said, I heard an understand
Speaker 1: and she said, yeah, I heard it, so but she
Speaker 1: didn't know what. I said, Well, you know, of course
Speaker 1: didn't see anything. What was it? Don't know. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to say it was a big foot. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it was, but you know it you never know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's just one of those things like
Speaker 2: you're saying, once you know that they're out there, I mean,
Speaker 2: it stays in your mind forever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what he does. I was, It's been thirty years
Speaker 1: for me, you know, since I said I won in
Speaker 1: Arkansas and here I know I was nineteen year old soldier.
Speaker 1: Now I'm going around sixty eight, and I ain't forget that.
Speaker 1: That stayed in my mind, like like you know, well,
Speaker 1: the traumatic experiences do that you remember details. I know,
Speaker 1: when I'm working law enforcement, no talk to people who rape, vickens, whatever,
Speaker 1: and you know, you ask them questions, they can tell
Speaker 1: you detail. I mean, boom boom boom, boom boom. Because
Speaker 1: it's a traumatic experience, it's embedded in your brain, burnt
Speaker 1: in your brain, so your number the details and and
Speaker 1: I remember that so well. And it's like you know, wow, what, Yeah,
Speaker 1: these things are real. I mean, I mean, what else
Speaker 1: can you call him but a big foot of a
Speaker 1: Shasker's I don't know, I don't know. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: you can call the planal hair whatever. But they're out there.
Speaker 1: I believe they're very, very intelligent, and you believe that. Uh.
Speaker 1: I think they have a sense of human intel. They
Speaker 1: know how to avoid trail camps. I believe that a
Speaker 1: hundred percent they can reckon earn a trail camp immantly.
Speaker 1: The red eyes saying this is my set. Don't mess Okay,
Speaker 1: I can you wrong. I'm just giving you my concept,
Speaker 1: darn it because of what I'm researched this and that.
Speaker 1: Some years ago, I was watching the Discovery and they
Speaker 1: that they keep some exploritation and all that kind of thing,
Speaker 1: and my wife mere watching it, uh, and they had
Speaker 1: you know, they're going down there's little mini subs about
Speaker 1: ten thousand feet deep in the ocean listening for these
Speaker 1: different you know this and this and that. With the
Speaker 1: sub going that, of course, the water is it's black
Speaker 1: dot down there, and uh, slubs looking and they see
Speaker 1: these red these red beams comes up on the closure
Speaker 1: end and it's lights of the subs shoulder fish and
Speaker 1: they use fish and they're down there. I guess they
Speaker 1: developed a sense of ir infra red where they can
Speaker 1: see in the darkness, sense food, shelter, what have you. Uh.
Speaker 1: And that the red beans their eyes were glowing red
Speaker 1: and that beings going out from darkness. So the commentator says,
Speaker 1: you know, these creatures throughout this over the years. Uh
Speaker 1: And he said, who's to say that if sea based
Speaker 1: creatures that can develop this you know technology or for
Speaker 1: adapt you know, adptation to sing in darkness with these
Speaker 1: red eyes that and based creatures couldn't. So that got
Speaker 1: back to claims said about you know, red high is
Speaker 1: like baking tail lights. You know that could be these
Speaker 1: creatures ill natural ir being able to see in the darkness.
Speaker 1: And uh so I imagine you know they have a senseimental,
Speaker 1: they know how to they know what they know. Animals
Speaker 1: have the sense they know. You dear hunted, all deerhun
Speaker 1: score horn.
Speaker 2: I grew up without doors.
Speaker 1: That's the homeless. So yeah, yeahfinitely, so you know what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. You know, a deer there this instant
Speaker 1: mechanisms is to go ahead, the freeze ring, stand still,
Speaker 1: just cringe and you're extending the word line. You would
Speaker 1: and see them, you know, because they melt in to
Speaker 1: to the woods and to their surroundings. That's in the
Speaker 1: military that that's what we're taught is actual camouflage able
Speaker 1: to you know, just go ahead and poach your form,
Speaker 1: go ahead and melt into the surroundings and everything. And
Speaker 1: that's exactly what animals did, you know, squirrels, same way
Speaker 1: squirrel hunting. Look up there in the tree, you know.
Speaker 1: You see the bump on the lamb that can be
Speaker 1: a pine knot. You don't know what it is, just
Speaker 1: sitting there, not moving at all. Watch it for a while.
Speaker 1: Also that that tail wag, you know it's a squirrel.
Speaker 1: Animals can free frame. This one of their defense features
Speaker 1: they have, and it's standing still. You won't miss them.
Speaker 1: Humans lead detect that's how we see, and we don't
Speaker 1: see movement. We can't tell it's there. And so my
Speaker 1: personal belief in these creatures see us before we see there,
Speaker 1: They see us. Lots of people who don't believe these
Speaker 1: things exist, having been seen by bagshot, I said, I believe,
Speaker 1: you know, so, uh, they these things are out there
Speaker 1: in the woods and they they know when to come out.
Speaker 1: They know not when to come out. I imagine, Uh,
Speaker 1: they have that sixth sense the animals have to detect
Speaker 1: danger whatever. Uh and uh you couple that that sixth sense,
Speaker 1: that speeding majority of a of a bob can or
Speaker 1: a deer with a sense of human intel, and you
Speaker 1: have the perfect creature. That's why he avoids. That's why
Speaker 1: he avoids people. So he easily in the hard so
Speaker 1: hard to find, you know, because you know, it's not
Speaker 1: just a dumb animal. It's just something that really I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say as smart as we are, well, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say, uh has a sense of intel to pretty
Speaker 1: much put it on a level playing field. You know,
Speaker 1: that's my first l aspect. Like I said, I could
Speaker 1: be hones wrong. I'm just changing I believe. But uh,
Speaker 1: my whole life's been acted by this over the last
Speaker 1: fifty years, and you know, I always think about it.
Speaker 1: I always know. Hey, you know, what we were taught
Speaker 1: to believe isn't always true, and there's things out here
Speaker 1: that we don't understand. Hey, wow, I'm going to shut
Speaker 1: up that you asked questions.
Speaker 2: I'm just sitting here and enjoying the story. Man, Uh,
Speaker 2: that's quite an experience.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's something that I was I can't
Speaker 1: code to how many times effort that happened. And I
Speaker 1: went back to post and everything and all that that
Speaker 1: I wanted to tell somebody. But these things are out there.
Speaker 1: The Germans believe in that kind of thing. When I
Speaker 1: was over in Germany stationed over there, they told us
Speaker 1: about these creatures that they've seen up there, you know,
Speaker 1: the mountains and everything, and all the guys I was within,
Speaker 1: so I was with you know, they laugh, Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I laugh a long with them. I even want
Speaker 1: to think, you know, tell my story back then. I was,
Speaker 1: you know, throw a program. But David, they've been seen
Speaker 1: around in a lot of military posts. I have friends
Speaker 1: of mine where station for Dealer that has seen them
Speaker 1: up there, Bruce Washington, I mean, or Tarzan Polorado. Oh,
Speaker 1: and there's a lots of I didn't see know onto
Speaker 1: the ear the saying spread.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of curious about your opinion on this. You know,
Speaker 2: you had that experience in the military and everything, and
Speaker 2: like you just said, you know other military servicemen that
Speaker 2: have seen them. Why do they want to keep them
Speaker 2: a secret.
Speaker 1: When it comes to the government. Uh, it's hard. There's
Speaker 1: hard to figure out why. I mean, uh, there's so
Speaker 1: much level of frequency in the government. I mean it
Speaker 1: staggers the mind to understand how how much secrecy. When
Speaker 1: I was in the military, I mean mine, goodness, you
Speaker 1: had you know, we had the top secret clearances in
Speaker 1: my mos when I was in the military, and uh,
Speaker 1: we get to with me over a lot of crypto
Speaker 1: and and uh uh you know, special ops and that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff and every it's it's strange how it works.
Speaker 1: But every level of clearance. You're level six and you
Speaker 1: know more than the guy who had a level five,
Speaker 1: but you can't tell him what you know. The guy
Speaker 1: in level seven knows more than what you know, he
Speaker 1: can't tell you what he knows. So it's just that
Speaker 1: one extra level. It's amazing what what's what you learn?
Speaker 1: And so uh, it was it was an incident that
Speaker 1: happened to me when I was when I was chafing
Speaker 1: here at pork at Fort Pote that you know, I
Speaker 1: don't really talk about this much, but it's it's nothing
Speaker 1: you a big choy, but it was something that we
Speaker 1: were sent. There was five that was sent from different
Speaker 1: dit posts up to Fort West Texas in Fort West
Speaker 1: Texas is over there in the west end of Texas
Speaker 1: and it Tyes and to force from New Mexico and
Speaker 1: all that. We were sent there and we were given
Speaker 1: a coordinates. We had five five times three roads and
Speaker 1: we had to follow the shasepeak Chispagel was two Huban
Speaker 1: they were instant being closed. Uh. We don't adult there
Speaker 1: were c i ds where we don't have no idea,
Speaker 1: you know. We had to follow that. That was that
Speaker 1: was you order. We went as the clothed fly about
Speaker 1: six and a half hours north to that Mechigan Mountains. Uh.
Speaker 1: We were at buy our estimations somewhere out in the
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere, but it was not too far from
Speaker 1: uh you know, uh Santa Fe to Mexico that area
Speaker 1: where we had gotten there. It was a white stop
Speaker 1: and a little little uh guard hut right there and
Speaker 1: we were blood come out and it was a second lieutenant.
Speaker 1: That was very unusual. You never saw brass working as
Speaker 1: as guard ever. You you always had you know, ems
Speaker 1: or you know, something like that. You never had a
Speaker 1: lieutenant or captain or something like that. Seconde lieutenant comes
Speaker 1: out there guide us over. First vehicle to the polite
Speaker 1: post by stop almost up against it. Next one bumper
Speaker 1: to bumper, bumper to bumper. We were worded out of
Speaker 1: vehicles and we had to go with it other sort
Speaker 1: of the guard check based opposite direction and standup, parade,
Speaker 1: rest and through. We were ordered around about based background.
Speaker 1: So we're standing there sweating, and you know, just unapproachables,
Speaker 1: and you know, I just happened to go ahead and
Speaker 1: glance back and real quick and then glanced back and
Speaker 1: the vehicles A look down in a hole I saw.
Speaker 1: I seen was as if as this call. It was
Speaker 1: the elevator of the life that lowered the vehicles down
Speaker 1: to some kind of a maintenance facility or something. I
Speaker 1: do know what it was, but I of course we'll
Speaker 1: turn back around. It's a glance some come back around again,
Speaker 1: back to the orders, tension and doubt. Face that vehicle,
Speaker 1: that vehicle. They were all top side again. They were
Speaker 1: about their opposite duration, unloaded, empty, ordered back in the
Speaker 1: vehicles again, fall the chase. People go back to Fort Bliss.
Speaker 1: Got back to Fort Bliss. We'll get the vehicles into
Speaker 1: a building where we were deep graves uh at Fort Bird.
Speaker 1: Colonel inside there, and we had to sign all kind
Speaker 1: of documents thing that you know, we would never talk
Speaker 1: about this. It's not gonna you know. And uh so
Speaker 1: if we had to do all that, uh, I mean
Speaker 1: the frequency, what was it? You know, there's these things
Speaker 1: all over the country. There are so many different ports
Speaker 1: and everything else under under the ground. It's unbelievable anyway,
Speaker 1: my product mean, secrecy is so so why wouldn't they
Speaker 1: want to hide it? Why do they want to talk
Speaker 1: about each creature is probably the same lanes and then
Speaker 1: we'll talk about aliens no or or UFOs, this and
Speaker 1: that and everything else. To me, maybe because of the
Speaker 1: species or is as an intelligence, they don't think that
Speaker 1: we need to know about it. Maybe they want to,
Speaker 1: they want to capitalize on themselves. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: secrets human is it is all talk about. Uh. I
Speaker 1: wish I had answered. I wish I could say, well
Speaker 1: and one the other. All I can do is speculating,
Speaker 1: and that's all I can do. They just don't want
Speaker 1: people to know about these creatures because, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: they don't want people to ask questions, you know, they
Speaker 1: want to you know, go ahead and make people think, oh,
Speaker 1: these things don't exist. This is you know, it's like
Speaker 1: the UFO thing. You know, back in the nineties, eighties, seventies,
Speaker 1: sixties or fifties, and they're are and back you know,
Speaker 1: talked about UFOs. They thought you were crazy. But in
Speaker 1: two thousand, what two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: when the UH video shows and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: they popped out with this and uh, people start and say, hey,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, you know, maybe these things aren't real. Uh.
Speaker 1: I think there's a point in time coming, maybe in
Speaker 1: the future where they government. I said, okay, look, maybe
Speaker 1: it's time to go ahead and must a cap off
Speaker 1: on this one too, and tell people won't care these
Speaker 1: things are real? Whose things exist? But one fella asked
Speaker 1: me one time, he said, he said, uh, why why
Speaker 1: why can't tell us about aaryan species out there? They
Speaker 1: make a stick? We're all alone and everything and all
Speaker 1: this show. Now they're starting to come out with it.
Speaker 1: I said, well, I mean, who knows, but my estimation
Speaker 1: would be maybe if there's a violent species or maybe
Speaker 1: a aggressive species out there alien uh that wants to
Speaker 1: destroy this cint of this world, they have it there.
Speaker 1: There are millions of years advance for most of they
Speaker 1: have technology and weapons that our greatest scientists wanting in
Speaker 1: Jubo for the next ten thousand years. And you know,
Speaker 1: they can wipe us out and in this squirrel's heartbeat,
Speaker 1: so maybe they don't want to do that because they
Speaker 1: cause all of a sudden the mean panic. And my
Speaker 1: estimation on that is that the world was based on religion.
Speaker 1: Religion is to glue the whole humanity together. You know,
Speaker 1: it is our belief in God. I belief couse, I
Speaker 1: believe in God. I believe. What I'm saying is that
Speaker 1: that is what glue that holds the full world together
Speaker 1: and keeps this world from giving you other chaos because
Speaker 1: you take away belief in God, you take away to religion,
Speaker 1: and you have other chaos. All of a sudden, now
Speaker 1: we're all by ourselves and we feel you know, how
Speaker 1: alone the rurally truly are and how defensial we are,
Speaker 1: and so it would be it would be complete chaos
Speaker 1: if if people you know thought, because most of your
Speaker 1: basic Christian does not believe in alien life forms, they
Speaker 1: believe that you know, what we're sending is demons like Dan.
Speaker 1: You did you know that big Foot in Arkansas. You know,
Speaker 1: they think they're demons, so we don't understand it. You see,
Speaker 1: that's how we think. If you're not understand it, it's
Speaker 1: got to be evil. That's not necessarily true, but that's
Speaker 1: where our mind is set is on. And so if
Speaker 1: it caused them, they said, okay, look we got aliens
Speaker 1: out here and come out here and attack this world
Speaker 1: to roll up or whatever you know, and usual all
Speaker 1: for food. Well you know when we're in said okay,
Speaker 1: well great, well tomorrow morning while they kelp off think
Speaker 1: about it. No, you're going to go ahead and the trip. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just know there where they exist on the team,
Speaker 1: tell you what they are or where they're from. And
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. Well what do you think?
Speaker 1: You think they're extraterrestoral or what's.
Speaker 2: Your That's the million dollar question, ain't it. Here's what
Speaker 2: I I think now again just my opinion. But like
Speaker 2: the one you saw, for instance, obviously it was much
Speaker 2: larger than we are, you know, unlike anything else you
Speaker 2: had seen. But like you said, it had a man's profile,
Speaker 2: It stood on two legs, it had two arms, it
Speaker 2: had hands, it had fingers, It was covered in hair,
Speaker 2: and that sounds like something that's from this planet. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of other things that have those same attributes,
Speaker 2: and it would really surprise me if something from outer space,
Speaker 2: some foreign planet somewhere in you know, a different galaxy,
Speaker 2: or something from a different dimension happened to have the
Speaker 2: same physical attributes as things that live on this planet.
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true, and so I agree with you
Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, I kind of believe they're from here too.
Speaker 1: I think they're just what they are. Maybe it miss
Speaker 1: link it at least to call years ago between you know,
Speaker 1: a man and I don't know animal that they I
Speaker 1: don't know. They've over the years adapted. They hide on
Speaker 1: the ground, they do this and that I don't know.
Speaker 2: You know, they don't seem to fit in the boxes
Speaker 2: that we've come up with so far.
Speaker 1: No, they don't. And well again again go back to
Speaker 1: when you go back to the fact of the fact,
Speaker 1: I personally believe in a part human park animal. When
Speaker 1: you come back understanding you know, part animal, jil aren't
Speaker 1: human having that human intail, so almost don't have a
Speaker 1: reason humans do. So if you have a creature like
Speaker 1: that that that has the speed and the jility of
Speaker 1: an animal. Yet uh and the and the survival ones
Speaker 1: tak of an animal and the survival capabilities and camel
Speaker 1: abilities of an animal yet has the human incense of
Speaker 1: human intel. You have the perfect creature, and you have
Speaker 1: a creature that literally can how honesty because me they
Speaker 1: can you know, train frame or held into the uh
Speaker 1: into the woodline where you wouldn't even know they're there,
Speaker 1: and walkid by them. Yet you know as big as
Speaker 1: they are. Yet you know have the intel to understand
Speaker 1: how to avoid uh thrail cams as such. Well, how
Speaker 1: come we don't see them anywhere? Well, they've probably seen
Speaker 1: you more unlikely before you'll see them because they won't
Speaker 1: have to hide in the woods, you don't, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: and then you'll had a lot they're perfect you know
Speaker 1: predator to go ahead and you know watch they were aggressive.
Speaker 1: I believe that be a lot of dead human beings.
Speaker 1: So I don't think they're aggressive. That night we've seen
Speaker 1: that one there. Now, I had twelve gates and Bobby uh,
Speaker 1: my girlfriend's daddy had at four ten a good something
Speaker 1: like that that big that's a that's pop. Does you
Speaker 1: know they can do a thing? We never fired a shot.
Speaker 1: It ran away from us. Thank god it did now
Speaker 1: it so it didn't come and try to attack us.
Speaker 1: I do load that twelve calling the shell would have
Speaker 1: and reloaded again, but uh it didn't. It didn't go
Speaker 1: ahead and try to regress. It ran away from us. There,
Speaker 1: not aggressive, and that's a that's a good thing. What
Speaker 1: we saw was big enough to go ahead and do
Speaker 1: some serious damage for wanting to and it ran away
Speaker 1: from us. That's a big creature. My I mean, people
Speaker 1: can't speak it. I understand what eight foot is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's big. It's big. Eight foot is big. And I'm
Speaker 1: you're talking about six seven, eight hundred pounds. That's a
Speaker 1: bee strike there. Huh.
Speaker 2: You may not want to see one again, but uh,
Speaker 2: I'm glad you've decided to come forward and start sharing
Speaker 2: your story because it's quite a story.
Speaker 1: Man. Well here's the thing, and that's why I want
Speaker 1: to kind of throw this in the mixed real fastest
Speaker 1: or could it's being in prior military law enforcement. I
Speaker 1: just want to encourage other people, all your listeners, whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, other people that's in the background, military law enforcement.
Speaker 1: You know, Hey, you got you got anything care come
Speaker 1: forward because people need to hear it. And it's going
Speaker 1: to help you tremendously. I know, if keeping this thing
Speaker 1: aside me for almost fifty years, you know, it wasn't healthy,
Speaker 1: it wasn't good. Once I let this out, I can't
Speaker 1: tell you the therapy it's been for me. And so
Speaker 1: I encourage everybody who has an encounter. I don't care.
Speaker 1: You know, if it's about Bigfoot or dog len or
Speaker 1: you go UFOs, whatever it may be. And you've been
Speaker 1: keeping it up for years inside, let it out. People
Speaker 1: need to hear it. People are becoming open, more prominded
Speaker 1: now and acceptable to these things, and so it's definitely
Speaker 1: something that you want to do.
Speaker 2: Steve, thanks for coming on and talking to me and
Speaker 2: sharing your story and some of your insights. I thoroughly
Speaker 2: enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Man, well, I sure I appreciate your time and thank
Speaker 1: you for having the partner.
Speaker 2: Absolutely