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<v Speaker 1>Hello, ladies and gentleman, and welcome to your annual Halloween retrospective.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the clown Prince of Goats Travis Stale. I'm joined by.

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<v Speaker 2>I am the Sinner trekn Patzer.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm the Crow del Mus.

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<v Speaker 4>The Silver Cup Taylor Field.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, ladies, gentlemen, as you just heard lots of names

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<v Speaker 1>going around. This is the annual one we have done this. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the third year we've done this. Maybe we did

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<v Speaker 1>in the past, but it was just maybe one offer

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<v Speaker 1>getting ready for another Hallowe retro But now we do

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<v Speaker 1>this every year. We have done Oh god, what was

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<v Speaker 1>the I think it was the Thin Man or not

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<v Speaker 1>the thin Man? What is that? The empty Man? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>That we did and then we did Yeah, we did

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<v Speaker 1>it follows and now we're doing the Witch, which you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate somewhat because it's timely, as like Robert Agers

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<v Speaker 1>has a movie coming out, So thanks for patrons for

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<v Speaker 1>making sure we got timely content out there, because he

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<v Speaker 1>does have the nos Fat too coming up. But you

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<v Speaker 1>can look on the feeds. We have reviewed Northmen, we

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<v Speaker 1>have reviewed Lighthouse, so this kind of is perfect because

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<v Speaker 1>we've not we've talked about the Witch tons of times

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like on this podcast and even talking about Aras,

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<v Speaker 1>but we've never actually reviewed The Witch. So it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a good way to like close off that filmography.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've done that. But yeah, thank you to all

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<v Speaker 1>the patrons. You guys gave out lots of votes and

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<v Speaker 1>everything like that. I will I forgot to shout out

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<v Speaker 1>who gave it. I'll go find out who actually put

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<v Speaker 1>the suggestion in. But yeah, we'll do the same probably,

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<v Speaker 1>you know Christmas we do last year. You know, when

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<v Speaker 1>we get to the springtime, we'll do a video game one.

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<v Speaker 1>We do any ones all the time, so look out

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<v Speaker 1>for those. And if you like retrospectives currently and for

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<v Speaker 1>the until like July August, we're gonna be having the

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<v Speaker 1>Superman and Fantastic four retrospectives are exclusive to Patron and

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<v Speaker 1>the other retrospectives as I'm gonna start promoting this to

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<v Speaker 1>put feet to their fire. Daredevil seasons one to three

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<v Speaker 1>will be dropping in December, January, and February, so there

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<v Speaker 1>you go, So look out for those. So a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of guarantee, Big GV guarantee you there, Yeah, or they

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<v Speaker 1>lose five er sense of their share. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>here for Halloween times. So, mister Muss, have you seen

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<v Speaker 1>this movie before? If you have, what did you think

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<v Speaker 1>about it then? And then what do you think about now?

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<v Speaker 1>In October twenty second, twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, yeah, I've not seen this movie before. I definitely

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<v Speaker 3>seen it when I'm scrolling through Netflix and things like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Never got around to it. And then yeah, watched Lighthouse,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, I enjoyed Lighthouse at the time. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like a great meme, very juicy meme movie, but like,

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<v Speaker 3>I've never wanted to go back and watch it again.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how well would hold up. And the

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<v Speaker 3>north Man. You guys were very hot on, but I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't really care for it too much. Was not my

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<v Speaker 3>cup of tea. So I'm not too knowledgeable on this

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<v Speaker 3>director of not done the deep bug on his older stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>But this this is it really on IMDb?

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<v Speaker 4>I swear.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's also a short film I think he

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<v Speaker 1>has short films, but I don't think there's an actual

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<v Speaker 1>film film. At least make.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure that I've seen every single one of his movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, say You're in the darkcore fan.

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<v Speaker 3>I I did not enjoy this movie. There was very

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<v Speaker 3>little for me to enjoy. I hate using this word,

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<v Speaker 3>but I just found it very boring. I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>it takes a long time to pick up, and then

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<v Speaker 3>like its pick up is like the last like ten

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<v Speaker 3>minutes the movie. There's some crazy stuff that happens, but

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<v Speaker 3>even then, I kind of wanted more of certain things,

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<v Speaker 3>the titular witch. I wanted like some more witch action

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<v Speaker 3>going on. I don't know. I feel like there is

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<v Speaker 3>there is some theme or message or something that this

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<v Speaker 3>movie's portraying, and I didn't pick up on any of it.

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<v Speaker 3>That meant it meant nothing to me. So I'm curious

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<v Speaker 3>to hear what your guys is interpretations of some of

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<v Speaker 3>the things going on are. But to me, it was

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<v Speaker 3>just very dry, very slow, quite uninteresting. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I was trying to find some fun little details, but

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<v Speaker 3>I just I wasn't really digging up much when I

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<v Speaker 3>was doing that. So, yeah, this was this was kind

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<v Speaker 3>of uninteresting. It was pretty short, I guess, but it

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<v Speaker 3>felt like it dragged on because of how slow it is.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't see myself rewatching this one. But it

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<v Speaker 3>was at and go back say his first future film.

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<v Speaker 3>Go Back see Anya's I think first movie that she did,

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<v Speaker 3>and she did like a TV show episode before this

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<v Speaker 3>or something, so it's fun to go back and see that,

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<v Speaker 3>but otherwise not not really much for me here, unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 1>Tayar Field, was there much for you on a first

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<v Speaker 1>watch where we were like, damn, was this your first

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<v Speaker 1>time watching it?

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<v Speaker 5>This is my second time watching it. I remember watching

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<v Speaker 5>this movie when I was a few years back, younger,

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<v Speaker 5>You're not young, not young anymore, I think I before

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<v Speaker 5>I met Madison, Uh yeah, and I was looking for

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<v Speaker 5>something kind of just scary and spooky, and I heard

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<v Speaker 5>that this.

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<v Speaker 4>Was just kind of like on edge of a movie.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't really anything like scary, just just tense.

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<v Speaker 5>So I remember giving it a watch, and this time

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like I still feel the same as I

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<v Speaker 5>did back then, where it's just like I kind of

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<v Speaker 5>do enjoy just this descent into chaos and madness and

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<v Speaker 5>how everything kind of crumble for this family.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's not like it's not.

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<v Speaker 5>Breaking records for being like one of my favorite movies

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<v Speaker 5>or anything like that. And if I was going to

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<v Speaker 5>pick a horror movie, i'd probably pick something else over

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<v Speaker 5>this one. But I think that it's not It's neither

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<v Speaker 5>is it gonna be like the last time I'd ever

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<v Speaker 5>watched this movie in a couple of years. I could

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<v Speaker 5>probably see myself like, yeah, you know what, maybe I

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<v Speaker 5>want to pop it on and just have this tense

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<v Speaker 5>experience where you're just seeing this family fall apart in

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<v Speaker 5>this mysterious witch kind of scenario unravel because I feel

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<v Speaker 5>like it's very psychological, and half the time you wonder like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>is it really just this this witch doing shit or

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<v Speaker 5>is it thomasin I feel like at the end you

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<v Speaker 5>kind of get like a little bit more of a confirmation,

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<v Speaker 5>but before you get to that, you really don't know,

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<v Speaker 5>and it's just like everyone's pointing fingers and you're trying

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<v Speaker 5>to figure out what's going on. And there are some

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<v Speaker 5>very creepy elements to this, and I forgot a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of the stuff in here, except for a couple things,

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<v Speaker 5>but the.

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<v Speaker 4>Introduction of the witch. We'll talk more about all that

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<v Speaker 5>But I did not like that scene with the with

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<v Speaker 4>I just when of that saw that happened, I was like, Fuck.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like that. That's just man, that's just fucking brutal.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I'm hungry, I want to go make

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<v Speaker 2>some food. Oh yeah, that.

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<v Speaker 4>Was that was That was brutal. That was gross.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty early on too, that is early on. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And that was me first scene.

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<v Speaker 5>Me watching it like dead like this morning, like five

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<v Speaker 5>through to am watch the Witch. This is not a

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<v Speaker 5>start day star to start to day like, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, interesting, Yeah, I'll go next.

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<v Speaker 6>It was my second time viewing this film. I think

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<v Speaker 6>I watched the first one around the time of The Lighthouse.

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<v Speaker 6>Like I think it was just because of Robert Aggers

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<v Speaker 6>and I had always heard about this movie. Maybe that

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<v Speaker 6>was around the time when I was like Andy Taittor

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<v Speaker 6>Joy was starting to bounce on my radar, and I

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<v Speaker 6>always confused this film with it's either a Nicholas Cage

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<v Speaker 6>or a Vin Diesel movie about a witch. I can't

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<v Speaker 6>remember which one it is, but I always thought this

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<v Speaker 6>was that film. So when I when I put it

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<v Speaker 6>on back in the day, I'm I can't believe Robert

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<v Speaker 6>Eggers like made this thinking of like the Lighthouse to

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<v Speaker 6>this weird Vin Diesel or or like or Nicholas Cage, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>I I'll find it. It's called the Last Witch or

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<v Speaker 2>something the Latin.

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<v Speaker 1>The last witch Hunter is ven Diesel Right, is.

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<v Speaker 2>There Nicholas Cage one about a witch?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, with that Ron Pearlman.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the one that I totally thought that movie.

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<v Speaker 4>Own that movie. It's fucking great.

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<v Speaker 1>I love Season of the Witch.

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<v Speaker 5>Season Witch fucking great movie.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, So bouncing into this one, I'm like, yeah, it's weird.

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<v Speaker 6>Robert Egger's pretty different from Lighthouse. It's a pretty cool

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<v Speaker 6>and right away I was proven that that was not

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<v Speaker 6>the case. This is very much not a movie I

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<v Speaker 6>was expecting of, just like the maybe like the hardcore

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<v Speaker 6>elements of a being a period piece, like I think

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<v Speaker 6>the first time I watched this, like it's just I

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<v Speaker 6>should start by saying I did not like this movie.

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<v Speaker 6>The first time I watched this at all. I I

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<v Speaker 6>really despised it. I told myself I was never gonna

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<v Speaker 6>watch it again. Like it just wasn't a fun watch.

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<v Speaker 6>I think I watched it late at night when I

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<v Speaker 6>was tired. I don't think I understood a single word

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<v Speaker 6>they said because I didn't have subtitles on, like when

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<v Speaker 6>I was watching it the.

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<v Speaker 1>First time round.

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<v Speaker 6>And it is hard to phenomenal actor like the perfect

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<v Speaker 6>casting for this role.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I cannot understand a fucking word he said, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Our next collects get ready great voice.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm excited for subtitles and.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like all of us in the theater, like, what

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<v Speaker 1>the fuck's Galactus talking about.

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<v Speaker 6>I feel like at the end of the movie too,

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<v Speaker 6>on my first viewing, like I was just so confused

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<v Speaker 6>on what was even happening. I probably like faded in

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<v Speaker 6>and out, like I was saying, like it was like

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<v Speaker 6>a fever dream because I just watched it late at night,

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<v Speaker 6>and like your point till like it it isn't a

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<v Speaker 6>it isn't a long movie, but it felt really long

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<v Speaker 6>like the first time I watched it, which is really

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<v Speaker 6>interesting because this time around, I had subtitles. I was

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<v Speaker 6>not tired when I was watching this. I watched it

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<v Speaker 6>in like appropriate time of the day, and I loved

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<v Speaker 6>this movie. The second time around, it was really really

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<v Speaker 6>interesting because I knew all the main beats that were

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<v Speaker 6>going to be happening. But I think just now, maybe

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<v Speaker 6>because I did like a glossary, you know, like skim

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<v Speaker 6>of it the first time around, jumping into it now,

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<v Speaker 6>like I'm kind of aware of what's going on, and

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<v Speaker 6>I think just like the big moments hit a lot

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<v Speaker 6>better for me. I appreciated the performance is so much

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<v Speaker 6>more the just like the costume designs and everything. Like

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<v Speaker 6>it's a pretty simple movie. It makes sense that this

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<v Speaker 6>would be his first film because most of it is

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<v Speaker 6>just kind of at their farm and like it's not

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<v Speaker 6>that crazy of set pieces or anything like that. Like

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<v Speaker 6>blood for sure. But yeah, I think it's interesting because

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<v Speaker 6>I would revisit often. I will watch it again. It's

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<v Speaker 6>It's more so like if I'm having a conversation with

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<v Speaker 6>witch movie that I'd recommend of, like one that actually

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<v Speaker 2>Which movie where it?

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<v Speaker 6>I think it pulls a lot from like a like

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<v Speaker 6>to say because it's literally in the subtitle of the movie.

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<v Speaker 6>What is that a new England folk tale, but more

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<v Speaker 6>so just like the more realistic take on a witch

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<v Speaker 6>because they kind of get cartoonized cartoon cartoonized, that's not

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<v Speaker 6>a word cartoonified, maybe just just as people grow up

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<v Speaker 6>because of Halloween and like we just see witches with

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<v Speaker 6>But this project, like you do not get like a

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<v Speaker 6>Like they feel like monsters and literally like wars words

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<v Speaker 6>of Satan, and I think they do a good job

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<v Speaker 6>at kind of like making you wonder if it is

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<v Speaker 6>real or if it is just like they're so paranoid.

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<v Speaker 6>A lot of religious elements in this movie, and I

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<v Speaker 6>really just was able to appreciate so much more on

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<v Speaker 6>a second viewing of like seeing the family kind of

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<v Speaker 6>fall apart and like, yeah, there is spoilers, there is

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<v Speaker 6>a witch in this movie, But like I still feel

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<v Speaker 6>like a lot of their problems I still think a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of the problems could have been dealt or like

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<v Speaker 2>Of the Witch. Like, I don't think the witch is

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<v Speaker 1>She's the impetus. She's the hero of the story, the ampetus.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that even mean the inciting incident?

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, yes, yes, true, But you can also make arguments

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<v Speaker 6>that it's like the family's fault for that happening, right,

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<v Speaker 6>like like so, I don't know, we'll get into it,

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<v Speaker 6>and we get into it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I really really appreciate this movie. I feel like

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<v Speaker 6>I love those actors as like character actors in like

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<v Speaker 6>those type of roles. I believe they were both in

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<v Speaker 6>The Green Knight and just like if they.

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<v Speaker 1>Are, he's a Green Knight and then she's.

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<v Speaker 3>The Uh right, I forgot she was in there too.

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<v Speaker 1>She's the Queen. Yeah, but he plays the actual Green Knights.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a fun connection.

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<v Speaker 6>I like that, like he's in any period of this

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<v Speaker 6>period type movie, like they're just so good in it.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember if he's in Lighthouse. I don't feel

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<v Speaker 1>like he is. I think he's the that's the only

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<v Speaker 6>He's like the two other guys that they're replacing the

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<v Speaker 6>Mermaid here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't think that, yeah, I think, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>So I this is the type movie though that I

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<v Speaker 6>one hundred percent understand if no one likes or if

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<v Speaker 6>if they're people that are not liking this movie, because

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<v Speaker 6>I definitely did.

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<v Speaker 2>Not like it at all first time around.

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<v Speaker 6>I think you have to be just good timing with

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<v Speaker 6>when you're watching this, because yeah, if I if I

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<v Speaker 6>was putting this on five three in the morning before work,

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<v Speaker 6>like Taylor Field over here, that would not be a

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<v Speaker 6>good viewing time for me. But yeah, I really really

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<v Speaker 6>enjoy this one. Really fucked up it. Actually, I find

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<v Speaker 6>I'm just thinking of this right now. I feel like

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<v Speaker 6>the the witchiness affecting like the families in the Cities.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a big like parallel to some of like the

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<v Speaker 6>Empire stories and Total War Warhammer, so like I feel

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<v Speaker 6>like a lot of like that comparison just bleeds over.

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<v Speaker 6>So I'm like, oh, I just I just lovetal.

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<v Speaker 3>War, like Peaky Blinders, like take a shot.

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<v Speaker 4>That Robert plays a lot of Total War.

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<v Speaker 3>I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a big fan of Robert Eggers.

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<v Speaker 6>I think I I think I have loved at one

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<v Speaker 6>point all of his films, So yeah, I'm looking forward

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<v Speaker 6>to Nosperado.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a big fan of Lighthouse anymore.

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<v Speaker 6>I thought I was the first time at one point

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<v Speaker 6>you did exactly more viewings. I like it less, but

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<v Speaker 6>I can still appreciate the quality of it, but just

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<v Speaker 6>not a rewatchable film.

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor. I saw you trying to uh Webster Dictionary that

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<v Speaker 1>word impetus first word a driving.

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<v Speaker 4>Force because I couldn't figure out its spelling.

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<v Speaker 1>I am p e t e u s a driving force,

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<v Speaker 1>so like the witch is the force that drives them insanity,

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<v Speaker 1>like it mad? You know, it's just like what is

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<v Speaker 1>a story writing term? But uh yeah, So I had

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<v Speaker 1>seen this the year came out, and I remember this

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<v Speaker 1>is one of those classic movies that the build up

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<v Speaker 1>was huge because it was and shout out to them,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what made Robert Egger's queer because while we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about the costume and everything. I think we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this recently. But to bring up again, budget

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<v Speaker 1>four million dollars, made forty million, so right away, that's okay,

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<v Speaker 1>guaranteed hit, Like that's why he's done. I think so

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<v Speaker 1>many where I think like I don't know what. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we looked like Lighthouse made of profit, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think Northmand kind of ate shit and I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what and noos Rotu's gonna eat shit again unfortunately, because

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<v Speaker 1>like Christmas Vampire great, but this, like this built the

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<v Speaker 1>Eggers House and the hype and everything, and to go

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<v Speaker 1>into that is I remember this and that one of

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<v Speaker 1>the scariest movies you'll ever see, best horror movie the

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<v Speaker 1>decade yet to Oh yeah, it had that whole hype.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I saw it the first time, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh man, I can't fucking wait for this. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was much like you do, and I was like, this

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<v Speaker 1>is fucking born. I don't care that much. And obviously

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<v Speaker 1>there's no aunty hype train at this point I watched it.

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<v Speaker 1>I was still living at home when I watched it,

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<v Speaker 1>and my mom, who still has she does not have

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<v Speaker 1>a soundbar terrible TV speaker, so trying to hear Ralph

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<v Speaker 1>Innison on the TV was a struggle. And I did

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<v Speaker 1>not have subtitles at that point, so it was not

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<v Speaker 1>a good watch. And I remember being like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>am not a not a fan of this movie, but

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<v Speaker 1>funny enough, just like I don't know why this fucking

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<v Speaker 1>keeps happening. Shout out to God Loves Me sixty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>who did recommend this movie. He was one that Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I only showed out so much to. These sales have

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<v Speaker 1>been on AFRIC nine since she abandoned my team at

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<v Speaker 1>the trivia battle versus Dylan's team, So I still salty

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<v Speaker 1>about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Glorious he owes me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm all again, but somehow this keeps happening to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Where I watched The Empty Man for the first time

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<v Speaker 1>and then Clay recommends it that gets voted on it falls, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a cravey and watch that, and then three

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<v Speaker 1>months I watched that. I watched The Witch earlier again,

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<v Speaker 1>like at the beginning of this year, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was in the Nosforato hype because it's some image

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<v Speaker 1>or something, and I was like, oh, yeah, I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>go back to that one because I always want to

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<v Speaker 1>give it a chance, because it's always like when you

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<v Speaker 1>see twenty ten's Best of Horrors, the Witch is always

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<v Speaker 1>on their top ten lists, like it's like very acclaimed,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's like, I'm gonna get this chance. So of course, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I watched this movie. I don't know, six seven months ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course it went to a Hallingo pole, so

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<v Speaker 1>I have to just not watch any horror movies until

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<v Speaker 1>next year we do the Hollming Pole. Because I like,

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<v Speaker 1>I did really enjoy my second watch. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if I needed an immediate watch right away, but I

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<v Speaker 1>am like Kirkling where I second watch, Like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>saying loved is a weird thing because it's not even

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<v Speaker 1>like Joker. I say, I love that movie and it's depressing,

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<v Speaker 1>but I can go back and watch that like over

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<v Speaker 1>and over. This movie, I definitely need to be in

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<v Speaker 1>the right mood. It needs some time, but I definitely

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<v Speaker 1>think it is like I I don't know if it's

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<v Speaker 1>in my personal top ten, but I get the hype

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<v Speaker 1>and watching a second time definitely made me go, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I really enjoy this movie. And that's what even the

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<v Speaker 1>third time. Now, there's just certain stuff, just there's about

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<v Speaker 1>three things which you know, some people might not like.

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<v Speaker 1>I like this type of thing where there's about three

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<v Speaker 1>massive things in the story where it is your own

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<v Speaker 1>choose your own adventure. And Rob Berger's said, like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not answering that, Like I'm not gonna tell you what is,

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<v Speaker 1>what it's like, you can leave that for yourself. And

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<v Speaker 1>I love that when it's done well. When a movie

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<v Speaker 1>does that poorly, it's just okay, it feels lazy. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just like, oh, you know, it's up to you. But

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<v Speaker 1>with this, I feel like it really works. The acting

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<v Speaker 1>all around is great. There's a few shots in here

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<v Speaker 1>that are just you know, we were talking about a

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<v Speaker 1>different cast. There's a shot in here on the Crow

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<v Speaker 1>that's still burned in my mind even since I saw

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<v Speaker 1>the first time, and I think, yeah, just this dread

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<v Speaker 1>of the witches. And what I love is each character,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not the two kids, but other every other single

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<v Speaker 1>character has a fear and whether it is the witch

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<v Speaker 1>or the situation, that fear starts to build and build

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<v Speaker 1>and fox them all at the end. And I love

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<v Speaker 1>still even with Annie tayror Joy's character, there's people that

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<v Speaker 1>like argue that she is a witch the whole time

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<v Speaker 1>and she's just fucking with everybody, And you can watch

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<v Speaker 1>the movie and see like, oh, she might actually just

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<v Speaker 1>be evil and wanted to write her family and doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter if she's crying here there there's all these little

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<v Speaker 1>signs and yeah, I think this movie is outstandingly made.

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<v Speaker 1>And like I said, I need a second watch because

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<v Speaker 1>that first watch, I was like, this was I overhyped,

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<v Speaker 1>Never gonna watch this again. And then probably because I

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<v Speaker 1>liked Lighthouse and you know, in our sense, but then

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<v Speaker 1>I love Northman. I was okay, I gotta go back,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was glad I went back. And now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna take a break for a while. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>it falls again. I'm take a break. I don't need

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<v Speaker 1>to see the Witch for a while. But even this time,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't feel like a awful watch. It's definitely really

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<v Speaker 1>slow at times, but I think it does. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be excited to watch it all fourth time because

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<v Speaker 1>each each watch I've had, I enjoy it more. So. Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I really do have this in high regard now. But

424
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<v Speaker 1>ask me, literally, god, what fourteen is this? Twenty ten?

425
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<v Speaker 3>No?

426
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, twenty fifteen. Okay, I don't know where I read

427
00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:57.119
<v Speaker 1>twenty ten. I'm going nuts, But yeah, ask me eleven,

428
00:18:57.279 --> 00:19:02.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, nine years ago, not not some so wherever

429
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<v Speaker 1>we want to go with h the Witch? The Witch?

430
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<v Speaker 3>I would love to ask you guys. Uh, I don't know.

431
00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:13.920
<v Speaker 3>I guess just hearing you guys, describe why you like

432
00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:18.079
<v Speaker 3>it is making me rethink like what I watched a

433
00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:20.880
<v Speaker 3>little bit to some extent, like I'll go with this

434
00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:24.039
<v Speaker 3>very obvious because Kirk, when you're talking about like you know,

435
00:19:24.079 --> 00:19:25.839
<v Speaker 3>did were they kind of building up to this they

436
00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:29.279
<v Speaker 3>like deserve this stuff for themselves or is it just

437
00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:32.799
<v Speaker 3>the witch fucking with them? It's like the inciting incident.

438
00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:34.279
<v Speaker 3>Like the first thing that really kicks it off is

439
00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:36.400
<v Speaker 3>like the baby going missing, And now I'm thinking about

440
00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:38.079
<v Speaker 3>that scene of like okay, well, yeah, Anya is the

441
00:19:38.079 --> 00:19:40.759
<v Speaker 3>only one there when that happens. So is there a

442
00:19:40.799 --> 00:19:44.039
<v Speaker 3>read on that scene that she just took and yeats

443
00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:46.480
<v Speaker 3>the baby? Because like when I was watching it, I

444
00:19:46.480 --> 00:19:49.160
<v Speaker 3>didn't take I didn't get that perspective at all that

445
00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:51.119
<v Speaker 3>like that was a possibility because that would kind of

446
00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:54.079
<v Speaker 3>just be like blatantly lying to the viewer. But it's

447
00:19:54.079 --> 00:19:56.000
<v Speaker 3>like that when you guys are rewatching it and thinking

448
00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:58.200
<v Speaker 3>about it and knowing everything is like not something that

449
00:19:58.240 --> 00:20:01.039
<v Speaker 3>you're thinking about of like, oh, maybe she did something

450
00:20:01.039 --> 00:20:02.880
<v Speaker 3>there because to me it seems like it's totally innocent.

451
00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:05.359
<v Speaker 3>But once again, after watch, maybe I wouldn't have that.

452
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<v Speaker 6>It's interesting because like looking back on it, I feel

453
00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:12.799
<v Speaker 6>like Anya wasn't a witch the whole time, like after my.

454
00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:13.640
<v Speaker 1>Agree of it.

455
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but like that that scene, like I can't really

456
00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:22.319
<v Speaker 6>explain it because unless the witch, like the real witch,

457
00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:25.759
<v Speaker 6>just slithered down of the grass or something of the

458
00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:29.319
<v Speaker 6>baby like instantly, it is too quick, it is unless

459
00:20:30.599 --> 00:20:33.279
<v Speaker 6>I was gonna say, unless she's like bewitched, like like

460
00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:35.599
<v Speaker 6>she actually like she closed her eyes for a second

461
00:20:35.960 --> 00:20:37.599
<v Speaker 6>and it's not actually been a second. I just think

462
00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:39.599
<v Speaker 6>the way that the scenes played out, it doesn't make

463
00:20:39.640 --> 00:20:40.160
<v Speaker 6>you think that, I.

464
00:20:40.119 --> 00:20:41.960
<v Speaker 3>Mean, there's like magic in this world, right, like we

465
00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:47.160
<v Speaker 3>presumably the witch is trans like is transform you know,

466
00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:49.200
<v Speaker 3>what's the word I'm looking for into like the bunny rabbit,

467
00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:51.200
<v Speaker 3>Like I assume that's the witch that's cruising around there.

468
00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:54.039
<v Speaker 3>They're flying at the end. So once again, unless like

469
00:20:54.079 --> 00:20:57.559
<v Speaker 3>the things we're seeing are just lies to the viewer,

470
00:20:57.599 --> 00:20:59.480
<v Speaker 3>then it's like, well, there is magic, So it's not

471
00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:02.559
<v Speaker 3>shocking that the witch would bill to snap their fingers

472
00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:03.960
<v Speaker 3>and like teleport the baby away.

473
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<v Speaker 6>I feel like how I would headcanon that is is

474
00:21:09.319 --> 00:21:12.880
<v Speaker 6>witch magic, like not Anya involved or maybe indirectly like

475
00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:15.960
<v Speaker 6>she got bewitched. I think that would be the only

476
00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:18.079
<v Speaker 6>real reason to have that scene, because I think you

477
00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:20.640
<v Speaker 6>could get to the end of this movie and make

478
00:21:20.680 --> 00:21:23.119
<v Speaker 6>the argument that it actually was eaten by a wolf

479
00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:25.680
<v Speaker 6>or something if you don't have the scene of the

480
00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:29.480
<v Speaker 6>naked witch making like the stew you know, right after that,

481
00:21:29.559 --> 00:21:31.240
<v Speaker 6>like you just hear the noises and everything, all the

482
00:21:31.279 --> 00:21:34.839
<v Speaker 6>gross sequences that Taylor listed earlier.

483
00:21:35.559 --> 00:21:37.480
<v Speaker 1>That's the tough thing because like what Dylan says is

484
00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:39.400
<v Speaker 1>true if like, okay, in a real let's say, no

485
00:21:39.519 --> 00:21:41.400
<v Speaker 1>magic in a real world, there's no way to me,

486
00:21:41.559 --> 00:21:44.039
<v Speaker 1>like a wolf a woman comes by and gets the baby, right,

487
00:21:44.039 --> 00:21:46.279
<v Speaker 1>because you would hear that she doesn't look away that long,

488
00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:48.319
<v Speaker 1>So that doesn't make sense. That's why it's like there

489
00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:50.559
<v Speaker 1>has to be some sort of magical element. And that's

490
00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:52.400
<v Speaker 1>where I go, Okay, it still even could be on

491
00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:54.839
<v Speaker 1>you whether it is a bewitch, whether it is almost

492
00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:58.440
<v Speaker 1>like a wishing this baby away for some reason to

493
00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:01.599
<v Speaker 1>like hurt the family, and that is impetus for this

494
00:22:01.640 --> 00:22:04.119
<v Speaker 1>thing driving force, because that's the thing like with witches,

495
00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:06.920
<v Speaker 1>like it's always meaned about, right, but it's like, you know,

496
00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:08.720
<v Speaker 1>a woman would do something in that age and they'd

497
00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:10.359
<v Speaker 1>be like, that's a witch, like, you know, and they

498
00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:12.440
<v Speaker 1>would cast it upon them. And that's where it's like

499
00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:16.200
<v Speaker 1>even the they jump to and they talk about like

500
00:22:16.599 --> 00:22:18.960
<v Speaker 1>a witch and you know, the dad's no, it's a wolf,

501
00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:22.400
<v Speaker 1>and you know, they give these explanations, but like that's

502
00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:24.799
<v Speaker 1>something like, I know, it's a huge stretch because you

503
00:22:24.839 --> 00:22:28.400
<v Speaker 1>can't if you want to have Anya as a potential

504
00:22:28.440 --> 00:22:30.000
<v Speaker 1>witch character, you have to have her as like an

505
00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:33.279
<v Speaker 1>unreliable narrator, so you can't tip that off. And then

506
00:22:33.319 --> 00:22:35.519
<v Speaker 1>even the witch scene, to me, that's just like I

507
00:22:35.559 --> 00:22:37.559
<v Speaker 1>think that is happening, but you could take that as

508
00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:40.000
<v Speaker 1>like a thought that they're having that if it is

509
00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:41.960
<v Speaker 1>like because they've thought they've talked about a witch and

510
00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:43.960
<v Speaker 1>they you know, hush that down. It's not that. Then

511
00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:47.480
<v Speaker 1>the witch talk keeps continuing, continuing, and the twins bring

512
00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:49.480
<v Speaker 1>it up and then Anya has that you know joke

513
00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:51.920
<v Speaker 1>that does terribly for it later on because it gets

514
00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:55.000
<v Speaker 1>brought back later on. But that idea of the witch

515
00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:59.680
<v Speaker 1>cooking that child, that's like the only real witchy thing.

516
00:22:59.839 --> 00:23:02.960
<v Speaker 1>I guess they're it's tough because then you have the boy.

517
00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:05.599
<v Speaker 1>Because my thing is like at the end, when the

518
00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:07.599
<v Speaker 1>witches are doing their cuve and they're all naked at

519
00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:10.640
<v Speaker 1>the fire, right, Other than Anya floating, that doesn't they're

520
00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:13.319
<v Speaker 1>not doing anything magical. That's just like what people in

521
00:23:13.359 --> 00:23:15.559
<v Speaker 1>fucking cults would do, right, And you could just say

522
00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:17.319
<v Speaker 1>that Anya's floating because it's in her mind. But that's

523
00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:19.480
<v Speaker 1>a tough thing. In this movie. There's things where like, Okay,

524
00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:21.960
<v Speaker 1>when the boy kisses the hot look and witch and

525
00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:24.319
<v Speaker 1>then she grabs them has like the old arm, that's

526
00:23:24.440 --> 00:23:27.440
<v Speaker 1>clearly like a magical thing, right, But or is he

527
00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:29.640
<v Speaker 1>just going fucking nuts which people have talked about because

528
00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:33.759
<v Speaker 1>they're eating like tarnished food and that could just be

529
00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:34.759
<v Speaker 1>fucking with them, you know.

530
00:23:34.880 --> 00:23:37.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, food that comes from her woods where yeah, you

531
00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:39.240
<v Speaker 3>could do shit to it. Yeah yeah.

532
00:23:39.279 --> 00:23:41.839
<v Speaker 6>And I think that's what's interesting about this movie is

533
00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:45.640
<v Speaker 6>like eighty percent of it you could make the argument that, oh,

534
00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:49.200
<v Speaker 6>it is just like them allowing their fears. I think

535
00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:51.480
<v Speaker 6>to take it in that vein because how you just

536
00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:53.799
<v Speaker 6>listen to Travis, like you could have the baby go

537
00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:57.720
<v Speaker 6>missing and then that scene of like the witch thing happening,

538
00:23:57.759 --> 00:23:59.480
<v Speaker 6>like that could just be their worst case scenario that

539
00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:01.720
<v Speaker 6>their magic, right, because this is this is the world

540
00:24:01.720 --> 00:24:04.119
<v Speaker 6>that they live in they believe that there's witches out

541
00:24:04.119 --> 00:24:06.480
<v Speaker 6>there if you're a sinner, like like the devil's gonna

542
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:06.960
<v Speaker 6>get you and.

543
00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:09.319
<v Speaker 1>All the scariest thing.

544
00:24:09.640 --> 00:24:12.720
<v Speaker 6>But because their belief is so strong like that that

545
00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:15.759
<v Speaker 6>like that's the reality because if you if you sin,

546
00:24:16.279 --> 00:24:17.920
<v Speaker 6>you're gonna be going to hell. Like that's it's not

547
00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:20.319
<v Speaker 6>just that is a cause, like that's a possible thing

548
00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:20.839
<v Speaker 6>that could happen.

549
00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:22.559
<v Speaker 2>That is their belief. So therefore that is the way

550
00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:24.039
<v Speaker 2>that the world works in their mind.

551
00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:27.160
<v Speaker 6>So I think it is interesting actually making that point

552
00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:30.319
<v Speaker 6>that it could just be them imagining that worst case

553
00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:33.240
<v Speaker 6>scenario or later on when they are picturing some witchy

554
00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:36.400
<v Speaker 6>things going on, that's that's them picturing that happening.

555
00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:37.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that is the case.

556
00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:40.720
<v Speaker 6>I think it especially at the end, like when Anya

557
00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:45.160
<v Speaker 6>is talking to Billy what's the name Black Billy or

558
00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:46.880
<v Speaker 6>something like that, the black phill up.

559
00:24:46.759 --> 00:24:48.839
<v Speaker 2>There you go, the Billy goat.

560
00:24:50.799 --> 00:24:53.519
<v Speaker 6>But like like at that point, it's just like, Okay,

561
00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:55.359
<v Speaker 6>you know this is we are living in the world

562
00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:57.599
<v Speaker 6>of witches, Insanan and all these things, and that's.

563
00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Or she is and that's like they the food. I

564
00:25:02.440 --> 00:25:04.960
<v Speaker 1>haven't the trivia Robert eggers specifically use it because that

565
00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:07.640
<v Speaker 1>was what was reported back in that era that when

566
00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:10.119
<v Speaker 1>not which stuff, just when people would eat that food,

567
00:25:10.160 --> 00:25:12.839
<v Speaker 1>they would start to hallucinate if it was like gone

568
00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:15.440
<v Speaker 1>bad crops. That's the thing of right, because even then

569
00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:17.960
<v Speaker 1>like the Dad food and stuff. Yeah, like even Black

570
00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:19.720
<v Speaker 1>Philip killing the Dad, I know, people, oh well that's

571
00:25:19.720 --> 00:25:21.559
<v Speaker 1>the devils, Like that could just be a fucking goat

572
00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:25.480
<v Speaker 1>being like rabid. Right, It's not like he's talking. We

573
00:25:25.519 --> 00:25:27.240
<v Speaker 1>don't see the goat talk to any of our non

574
00:25:27.279 --> 00:25:28.160
<v Speaker 1>witchy characters.

575
00:25:28.160 --> 00:25:30.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure thousands of people in medieval times died to

576
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:32.400
<v Speaker 3>a random animal hitting them in a way. And then

577
00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:35.519
<v Speaker 3>you know, especially if you're isolated like this and don't

578
00:25:35.559 --> 00:25:39.000
<v Speaker 3>have a doctor or anyone nearby. But yeah, like I like,

579
00:25:39.079 --> 00:25:41.839
<v Speaker 3>for me, it seemed pretty simple. And that's why this

580
00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:44.680
<v Speaker 3>is already interesting to hear you guys perspective, because to

581
00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:47.119
<v Speaker 3>me it seemed like kind of a self fulfilling prophecy

582
00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:50.480
<v Speaker 3>sort of thing of like any sort of Chosen One storyline,

583
00:25:50.480 --> 00:25:53.000
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of like that where it's like sometimes a

584
00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:55.839
<v Speaker 3>Chosen One character just has magical powers and plot armor

585
00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:57.400
<v Speaker 3>and everything works for them. It's like, oh, yeah, they're

586
00:25:57.440 --> 00:25:59.519
<v Speaker 3>the chosen One, it makes sense. But other times a

587
00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:02.640
<v Speaker 3>chosen One story is like, Okay, well, the character who

588
00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:05.039
<v Speaker 3>were calling the chosen one just went through all the

589
00:26:05.079 --> 00:26:08.559
<v Speaker 3>hard work and steps to become like all the things

590
00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:10.599
<v Speaker 3>that makes that chosen One character, and so they kind

591
00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:12.000
<v Speaker 3>of become it in that way. And I just feel

592
00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:14.519
<v Speaker 3>like that's kind of what was happening with Anya here,

593
00:26:14.599 --> 00:26:17.200
<v Speaker 3>where if her whole family is telling her over and

594
00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:19.680
<v Speaker 3>over again, you're a witch. They're locking her up, they're

595
00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:22.000
<v Speaker 3>kicking her out of the house, they're doing all this stuff,

596
00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:24.759
<v Speaker 3>then like, yeah, she will start to believe it at

597
00:26:24.759 --> 00:26:27.279
<v Speaker 3>the end, and then that's when she'll just when everything

598
00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:30.400
<v Speaker 3>goes completely insane, then that she'll just retreat to the

599
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:32.160
<v Speaker 3>woods and kind of become a witch. But like, I

600
00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:34.359
<v Speaker 3>don't think that she was the whole time, at least

601
00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:36.200
<v Speaker 3>that's my read after the first watch, and it seems

602
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:38.720
<v Speaker 3>like that's what you guys think as well after watching

603
00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:41.440
<v Speaker 3>it and thinking on it a bit more. Is that

604
00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:43.319
<v Speaker 3>that wasn't that she was always the witch, even though

605
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:46.119
<v Speaker 3>if you there's that possible read, but she became it

606
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:48.720
<v Speaker 3>just because everyone's around her is telling her that and

607
00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:49.759
<v Speaker 3>making her believe it in a.

608
00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:52.400
<v Speaker 1>Way, and she's got nothing left right, her whole family's

609
00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:54.680
<v Speaker 1>fucking dead. They turned against her, so like, yeah, I

610
00:26:54.680 --> 00:26:57.279
<v Speaker 1>definitely read it as like it's like a even if

611
00:26:57.279 --> 00:26:59.400
<v Speaker 1>the witches were just fucking with their family the way,

612
00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:03.160
<v Speaker 1>I stas like they're indoctrinating her to become a witch

613
00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:05.519
<v Speaker 1>in a way where because it just feels so like

614
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:08.799
<v Speaker 1>sure they take the baby, but like the coven's not

615
00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:10.839
<v Speaker 1>that far from her. It just almost feels like it

616
00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:13.119
<v Speaker 1>is like, yeah, a destiny chose one in a situation,

617
00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:15.319
<v Speaker 1>but it's just even then they could see something in

618
00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:18.200
<v Speaker 1>her that, oh, you know, she has X Y whatever

619
00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:21.359
<v Speaker 1>witches look for in that era, like oh, this girl

620
00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:23.400
<v Speaker 1>has it right, And if she does become a witch,

621
00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:25.640
<v Speaker 1>she's like already floating at the end, right, So you

622
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:28.039
<v Speaker 1>would take like, Okay, she like maybe it was her

623
00:27:28.039 --> 00:27:31.119
<v Speaker 1>destiny to not be with this family and everything. But

624
00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:34.079
<v Speaker 1>I do like having the like I said, there's logical leaps,

625
00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:36.240
<v Speaker 1>so you could have it that okaypore just going crazy

626
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:38.480
<v Speaker 1>if she is a witch the whole time. That to

627
00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:40.519
<v Speaker 1>me is like there's part of me that would like

628
00:27:40.519 --> 00:27:42.680
<v Speaker 1>that because that's just like super fucked up. If like

629
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:44.160
<v Speaker 1>from the beginning, she's like, you know what, I hate

630
00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:46.759
<v Speaker 1>my family, and because like they before things go bad,

631
00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:49.200
<v Speaker 1>they set the seeds of even her mother and her

632
00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:52.680
<v Speaker 1>not being close, right Like, you can tell that they

633
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:55.160
<v Speaker 1>don't have a close relationship. She on purpose, which I

634
00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:58.799
<v Speaker 1>have this specifically my family and older generation favors the

635
00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:02.039
<v Speaker 1>men clearly, right like, she talks about her son in

636
00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:04.960
<v Speaker 1>such a big, like glowing light. But there's nothing ever

637
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:08.079
<v Speaker 1>said to like about any tear Joy's character. Now, obviously

638
00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:11.240
<v Speaker 1>the baby goes away, so there's some there's some distance

639
00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:13.079
<v Speaker 1>put between the two. But you get the sense right

640
00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:16.519
<v Speaker 1>away that these two aren't the closest of characters. So

641
00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:18.720
<v Speaker 1>and that's where it is, like all these like I said,

642
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:22.279
<v Speaker 1>you don't really have the twins fear, Like I guess

643
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:24.200
<v Speaker 1>their fear is just like which is black fills. But

644
00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:27.200
<v Speaker 1>like the dad's trying to protect his family and he's

645
00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:30.000
<v Speaker 1>being overprotective. The mom you can kind of see that

646
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:34.839
<v Speaker 1>her like hate for her daughter drives her to madness.

647
00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:39.279
<v Speaker 1>The son's kind of shoots him in the foot, you know,

648
00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:41.039
<v Speaker 1>a man with.

649
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:43.599
<v Speaker 6>The mom though, like we don't really see, we don't

650
00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:47.680
<v Speaker 6>really interact with her and Anya together like post crisis

651
00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:49.680
<v Speaker 6>of her losing Samuel, right like the child.

652
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:52.079
<v Speaker 1>She hates her, that's it though, She's just like I

653
00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:53.359
<v Speaker 1>think she's just disowned her daughter.

654
00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:55.359
<v Speaker 6>Now, No because of that though, That's what I mean,

655
00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:57.640
<v Speaker 6>Like the whole movie, we're like we're dealing with the

656
00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:00.920
<v Speaker 6>mother after this crisis that in her let's just say,

657
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:03.880
<v Speaker 6>for sake of argument, she completely blames Anya for that

658
00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:09.160
<v Speaker 6>or Thomasin for that event. So I think it's just

659
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:11.680
<v Speaker 6>it almost makes sense on like why she would have

660
00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:14.400
<v Speaker 6>that hatred towards her. Like I'm not saying it's right

661
00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:16.279
<v Speaker 6>for her to think that, but like for the sake

662
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:19.039
<v Speaker 6>of the movie, at least the dynamic between her and Thomasin,

663
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:23.160
<v Speaker 6>it's like those two would make sense why they would

664
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:24.599
<v Speaker 6>be at all. It Mostly, I guess for the mother's

665
00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:28.119
<v Speaker 6>perspective towards Thomasin, Thomasin is just the victim in the case.

666
00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:31.759
<v Speaker 6>And I don't know, I like the idea of making

667
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:35.119
<v Speaker 6>just for sake of conversation of is Thomasin a witch

668
00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:35.680
<v Speaker 6>the whole time?

669
00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:36.759
<v Speaker 2>And like you don't really know.

670
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:39.119
<v Speaker 6>I think it's like probably eighty percent that she isn't

671
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:40.440
<v Speaker 6>like she is just kind of a victim of the

672
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:44.039
<v Speaker 6>situation at hand, mostly because when we have the camera

673
00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:47.000
<v Speaker 6>on her, even if she's by herself, like she still

674
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:50.519
<v Speaker 6>looks pretty down and out and sad and like everything

675
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:52.680
<v Speaker 6>is not going right for my family, and I still

676
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:57.119
<v Speaker 6>feel like she is making like maybe certain attempts to

677
00:29:57.640 --> 00:30:01.319
<v Speaker 6>bring the family together, like when she is really scared,

678
00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:03.720
<v Speaker 6>like kind of after when the twins are like really

679
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:05.559
<v Speaker 6>accusing her of being a witch and like starting to

680
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:07.319
<v Speaker 6>point the finger at her, It's like, like, I was

681
00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:08.880
<v Speaker 6>just joking at that point.

682
00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:11.039
<v Speaker 2>Obviously It's it's.

683
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:12.799
<v Speaker 6>Bad at that point because now the parents are starting

684
00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:15.119
<v Speaker 6>to like be's pretty sus the mother was kind of

685
00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:19.079
<v Speaker 6>already in that camp. But I just think from I

686
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:23.039
<v Speaker 6>don't know, like like if she was conniving maybe off screen,

687
00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:24.799
<v Speaker 6>then it would have been like, oh, she was a

688
00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:28.200
<v Speaker 6>witch the whole time. And I think they do somewhat

689
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:31.640
<v Speaker 6>of a decent job at making us think that she

690
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:35.799
<v Speaker 6>could be the witch because of something like when when

691
00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:38.599
<v Speaker 6>the old witch drinks all the goats and the dad

692
00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:40.720
<v Speaker 6>comes out for a morning piss and he just sees

693
00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:43.920
<v Speaker 6>his goats completely empty, and then Thomasin's just like lying

694
00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:45.680
<v Speaker 6>there like at the scene of the crime, Like that's

695
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:48.599
<v Speaker 6>pretty fucking sus and that you know, they do the

696
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:50.880
<v Speaker 6>comparison a couple other times that she's just kind of

697
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:53.480
<v Speaker 6>always at the scene of the crime, Like.

698
00:30:58.200 --> 00:30:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

699
00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:03.039
<v Speaker 6>But I just think because of those, because maybe because

700
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:05.640
<v Speaker 6>of a lack of scenes where she looks us, it

701
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:08.240
<v Speaker 6>just makes me think that's like pretty eighty percent confirmed

702
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:10.839
<v Speaker 6>that she is just innocent in it. But I don't know,

703
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:12.680
<v Speaker 6>it was kind of crossing over on points there. You

704
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:14.759
<v Speaker 6>just can kind of touch upon anything.

705
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:17.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean one thing too that I was a

706
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:21.079
<v Speaker 3>little couldn't quite figure out is like every one of

707
00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:24.960
<v Speaker 3>the family members has some thing about them that that

708
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:26.680
<v Speaker 3>I guess you could call them like a bad person

709
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:29.039
<v Speaker 3>or a shitty person, or like they deserve this or

710
00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:31.920
<v Speaker 3>like they they've earned this fate to some extent, And

711
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:34.799
<v Speaker 3>I feel like a lot of it is, like I

712
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:36.119
<v Speaker 3>don't know, a lot of it is just like little

713
00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:38.000
<v Speaker 3>lies that they tell to each other, and like that

714
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:40.799
<v Speaker 3>makes them bad people. I guess. You know, Caleb, he's

715
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:43.119
<v Speaker 3>like checking out his sister's boobs all the time, so

716
00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:44.960
<v Speaker 3>it's like, Okay, we eat what's going on there, buddy.

717
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:48.799
<v Speaker 3>I never understood like the twins, like the young kids,

718
00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:51.559
<v Speaker 3>I feel like what if that is part of it?

719
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:53.720
<v Speaker 3>Like these people are bad people, Like this is karma

720
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:55.920
<v Speaker 3>coming back to get them in some way. Like do

721
00:31:56.000 --> 00:32:00.319
<v Speaker 3>the twins do anything that we would deem evil or

722
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:01.200
<v Speaker 3>bad or anything?

723
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:03.960
<v Speaker 4>Worshiping Black Philip and might be the bad thing.

724
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:06.359
<v Speaker 1>Kind of, but it's like do they know, Like I

725
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:07.119
<v Speaker 1>don't know if they know.

726
00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:10.359
<v Speaker 3>They're so good making them stories, right yeah, and like

727
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:11.720
<v Speaker 3>they're just singing and dancing.

728
00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:14.440
<v Speaker 5>They were very disobedient too, and I don't know if

729
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:16.880
<v Speaker 5>that's how hard, Like I.

730
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:19.160
<v Speaker 6>Would never really think unless it's like a straight up

731
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:22.000
<v Speaker 6>child's serial killer, Like I would never think that like

732
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:24.839
<v Speaker 6>a child is evil or like a ser like they're

733
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:28.200
<v Speaker 6>just kind of yeah, yeah, exactly, Like they're just they're

734
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:30.599
<v Speaker 6>talking to you know, Black Philip, Like it's and they're

735
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:33.759
<v Speaker 6>making stories and like I probably talked to my little

736
00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:35.839
<v Speaker 6>stuffies as a little kid, like just making stories as

737
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:36.079
<v Speaker 6>you go.

738
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:39.839
<v Speaker 2>So I would never say that's really a sinner type thing.

739
00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:43.039
<v Speaker 2>But I'm a center myself.

740
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.359
<v Speaker 1>So it's like they're they're just learning and stuff. Like

741
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:48.519
<v Speaker 1>even if Black Philips are talking to them, I guess

742
00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:52.000
<v Speaker 1>it's tough though, right, that's what he's saying to them, yeah,

743
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:54.119
<v Speaker 1>Like it's like you said at the beginning, right, like

744
00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:56.480
<v Speaker 1>they do just think if they die or sin, they're

745
00:32:56.480 --> 00:32:58.720
<v Speaker 1>going hell, and that's something they are taught like in

746
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:00.759
<v Speaker 1>that era of that's like a it could be as

747
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:06.079
<v Speaker 1>a I don't know, a vessel for you know, the devil, right,

748
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:09.079
<v Speaker 1>like a black goat like that and everything. So but

749
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:12.480
<v Speaker 1>again it's that that the Twins is a tougher one

750
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:14.319
<v Speaker 1>to get to for me as far as like them

751
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:16.200
<v Speaker 1>deserving to die or anything like that, because them just

752
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:18.640
<v Speaker 1>being a little shits. It's like, well little kids all

753
00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:20.200
<v Speaker 1>the time. It can be a little jerks, right, but

754
00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:21.799
<v Speaker 1>it's just like and I guess you could say they

755
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:24.319
<v Speaker 1>kind of like trying to set up on you because

756
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:26.960
<v Speaker 1>they do say she tells like I think they know

757
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:30.680
<v Speaker 1>that she's I think they know she's joking. But when

758
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:33.440
<v Speaker 1>they do hank like the dad locks black fill up

759
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:35.920
<v Speaker 1>the twins and her in the cage, and I do

760
00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:37.920
<v Speaker 1>like that they both ask each other like you the witch?

761
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:40.920
<v Speaker 1>And then and then she asked them like you the witch?

762
00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:43.680
<v Speaker 1>And I don't think so. But that's where she's like,

763
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:45.839
<v Speaker 1>that's super fucking sus. So when these kids are like,

764
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:47.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so and then the goat is just

765
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:50.920
<v Speaker 1>looking at you. So it's again it's it's I think

766
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:54.759
<v Speaker 1>they're just a casualty in the crossfire here. I think

767
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:57.720
<v Speaker 1>it's more it's like the sins of the Father. I

768
00:33:57.720 --> 00:33:58.839
<v Speaker 1>think that's what it kind of is, right.

769
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:01.880
<v Speaker 3>I guess I'm almost that they weren't like earlier fodder

770
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:02.480
<v Speaker 3>in the movie.

771
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:03.160
<v Speaker 5>Uh.

772
00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:05.599
<v Speaker 3>To further this thing of like maybe the witch would

773
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:07.880
<v Speaker 3>just go up like age pretty much like take out

774
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:10.000
<v Speaker 3>the youngest and then go up from there, but they

775
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:12.320
<v Speaker 3>kind of skip that, go to Caleb and then and

776
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:15.079
<v Speaker 3>then everyone kind of dies in the final sequence altogether,

777
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:18.920
<v Speaker 3>like back to back, you know. So that that was

778
00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:20.079
<v Speaker 3>that I was hard. It was hard for me to

779
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:23.360
<v Speaker 3>piece together what exactly the point of the twins were

780
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:25.239
<v Speaker 3>other than like you know, certain things of like they

781
00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:27.440
<v Speaker 3>revealed to the parents like oh, she's a witch because

782
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:29.119
<v Speaker 3>she said that, which I think that was a really

783
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:30.679
<v Speaker 3>wellden scene, like so many times we see that in

784
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:32.679
<v Speaker 3>a movie or show, and it's really annoying as if

785
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:35.480
<v Speaker 3>you were to like, okay, just explain, just tell, explain

786
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:37.920
<v Speaker 3>what happened there, and then everything can get cleared up,

787
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:39.760
<v Speaker 3>and they never do. But I feel that was a

788
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:42.360
<v Speaker 3>perfect situation where like the mom was already just in

789
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:45.840
<v Speaker 3>such tragedy, the sun is tweaking out in a way

790
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:48.000
<v Speaker 3>that they're just freaking out about, and then the twins

791
00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:50.119
<v Speaker 3>drop this and like, yeah, that's a really hard thing

792
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:52.360
<v Speaker 3>to explain because she went really hard when she was

793
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:55.280
<v Speaker 3>being the fake witch on the on the the younger

794
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:57.679
<v Speaker 3>sister just like she went way too hard with that

795
00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:00.280
<v Speaker 3>joke if she was joking, you know. So I can

796
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:02.800
<v Speaker 3>see how that's a very hard thing to explain away

797
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:04.039
<v Speaker 3>given the circumstances.

798
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:08.880
<v Speaker 1>You never came in on the what you thought was

799
00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:12.840
<v Speaker 1>real or not real in that situation. Yeah, what's going on?

800
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:15.320
<v Speaker 4>Sequence?

801
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:19.719
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I yeah, Like the idea of her being a

802
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:21.920
<v Speaker 5>witch one to start, that's really really intriguing. And I

803
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:25.719
<v Speaker 5>didn't really think of that, uh the like what's real

804
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:30.400
<v Speaker 5>and what is not? Like some things just seem to

805
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:34.039
<v Speaker 5>line up with other events. And for example, I'm just

806
00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:36.079
<v Speaker 5>gonna say, when they were trapped in that bar and

807
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:39.760
<v Speaker 5>then this old lady is just fucking pounding back that

808
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:43.679
<v Speaker 5>goat's milk at the same time you have this crow

809
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:52.880
<v Speaker 5>just pounding back the mum's milk too, I guess just like, yeah,

810
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:56.000
<v Speaker 5>I feel like, okay, well those the one event might

811
00:35:56.039 --> 00:35:59.159
<v Speaker 5>be well, the one event is clearly she's hallucinating. It

812
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:01.480
<v Speaker 5>could be that she's getting sick from the corn of

813
00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:02.159
<v Speaker 5>the food like you.

814
00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:04.639
<v Speaker 4>Were talking about Travis. Uh, But.

815
00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:09.559
<v Speaker 5>Like are the kids and also like thomasin are they

816
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:12.719
<v Speaker 5>have loose sitting because there's clearly an old lady in there.

817
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:14.920
<v Speaker 5>She's clearly doing something, clearly doing something.

818
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:17.199
<v Speaker 1>Is there an old lady in there in.

819
00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:18.760
<v Speaker 4>The barn scene when they're trapped.

820
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:21.559
<v Speaker 1>Because when they when Anya wakes up, she's gone.

821
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:26.760
<v Speaker 5>But the goats screams yeah because the twins, the twins

822
00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:29.199
<v Speaker 5>wake up and they they freak out, and then it

823
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:30.719
<v Speaker 5>cuts to you see the witch and it cuts to

824
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:32.719
<v Speaker 5>Anya and then she screams yeah.

825
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:36.119
<v Speaker 1>But I I also in fear that if you're taking

826
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:38.440
<v Speaker 1>as like the oh, there's double meaning to that that

827
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:41.079
<v Speaker 1>that could have they could have saw Anya doing that

828
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:44.760
<v Speaker 1>and she is like in like, they're fucking with us

829
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:47.000
<v Speaker 1>again as she's they show the older witch, but that's

830
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:49.119
<v Speaker 1>her because when Annia wakes up, it looks like a

831
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:51.320
<v Speaker 1>dream and then they cut and then the dad finds

832
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:53.960
<v Speaker 1>them all dead. You don't see that witch interact with

833
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:56.599
<v Speaker 1>any adults there or like, so that's where it's like

834
00:36:56.840 --> 00:36:58.440
<v Speaker 1>to me, it's like, is that witch there? Is it

835
00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:01.440
<v Speaker 1>just black filt fucking round? Is just a hallucination because

836
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:03.599
<v Speaker 1>like I don't think it's a for sure because if

837
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:06.920
<v Speaker 1>she is there, I guess that, Okay, all the stuff

838
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:09.440
<v Speaker 1>goes down, then she scurries away, and that could be it,

839
00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:11.719
<v Speaker 1>right or just magic, right, But I mean, but.

840
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:14.440
<v Speaker 3>To counter that, like given the scene with the witch

841
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:17.559
<v Speaker 3>like in her hut and when she's cooking up the kid,

842
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:19.760
<v Speaker 3>and then later when the witch is like the younger

843
00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:23.039
<v Speaker 3>version and baits in Caleb, like, if we're seeing that witch,

844
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:27.239
<v Speaker 3>presumably there's no way that could be on you, right,

845
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:29.199
<v Speaker 3>So like why would why would that not be just

846
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:30.320
<v Speaker 3>the continuity of that?

847
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:32.519
<v Speaker 1>Well, no, it could be because they both go in the

848
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:36.880
<v Speaker 1>forest together, right, but think dad right away after she does,

849
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:37.400
<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't.

850
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:40.800
<v Speaker 3>She's also knocked out in that sequence, interestingly.

851
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:42.079
<v Speaker 1>And the dad brings it up. He's like, you're the

852
00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:44.840
<v Speaker 1>one that lost him and you're the one that found him,

853
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:46.880
<v Speaker 1>and that when he starts to believe on is the witch.

854
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:49.599
<v Speaker 3>But I mean when the baby goes missing, like that's

855
00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:51.719
<v Speaker 3>that it doesn't really connect there, I guess just.

856
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:53.280
<v Speaker 1>That she's the last one to see him though, right,

857
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:54.800
<v Speaker 1>she's the last one to see the baby.

858
00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:58.920
<v Speaker 3>And that scene happens at night, right, like when when

859
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:01.039
<v Speaker 3>when when the she's actually cooking up.

860
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:03.920
<v Speaker 1>The baby, Yeah, the cooking. Yeah, the baby goes back.

861
00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:05.280
<v Speaker 1>Like it's like I'm.

862
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:06.719
<v Speaker 3>Trying to think, like maybe all these things happen when

863
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:10.239
<v Speaker 3>she's asleep, and maybe it's like some sleepwalking. The witch

864
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:11.800
<v Speaker 3>mint situation, Well.

865
00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:14.199
<v Speaker 5>There's a red cloak too, right, that's what the twins say, like, oh,

866
00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:16.559
<v Speaker 5>we see this witch walking around out in the forest.

867
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:18.840
<v Speaker 5>She's got like a red cloak, which you see is

868
00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:23.239
<v Speaker 5>reoccurring because the young witch luring Calebin is wearing that

869
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:26.440
<v Speaker 5>cloak over her head and then the mom has it

870
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:28.800
<v Speaker 5>on her lap on the crow is like going to

871
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:29.760
<v Speaker 5>town on her right.

872
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:37.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, even like bringing back this movie like they you know,

873
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:38.679
<v Speaker 3>if they wanted to, if it was in a horror move,

874
00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:40.639
<v Speaker 3>they could have color graded it made like the Poppy

875
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:44.039
<v Speaker 3>at greens and blues. But it is a very drab movie,

876
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:46.039
<v Speaker 3>and so when you have any color really stands out,

877
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:48.320
<v Speaker 3>like the red and of course like the apple as well.

878
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:50.679
<v Speaker 3>So I'm sure there's some connection there between like this

879
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:54.039
<v Speaker 3>red cape and this red apple that Caleb is going

880
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:55.960
<v Speaker 3>to the woods to find he finds something with a

881
00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:57.280
<v Speaker 3>red something or rather that.

882
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:03.199
<v Speaker 1>It's just the what is it puberty just getting the

883
00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:06.280
<v Speaker 1>best of them there, you know, seeing right everywhere. Yeah,

884
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:08.679
<v Speaker 1>but and that's the thing. I still believe that these

885
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:12.519
<v Speaker 1>situations happened to her, but there's always like the yeah

886
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:14.519
<v Speaker 1>but and there's all this like and that. That's what

887
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:16.679
<v Speaker 1>I do like about it because I think that you

888
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:19.360
<v Speaker 1>can just watch it. The way that I take is, Okay,

889
00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:21.400
<v Speaker 1>she's a she's not which that this, you know, she

890
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:24.320
<v Speaker 1>becomes one, et cetera, and it just completely works. But then

891
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:26.079
<v Speaker 1>I kind of like that it has that double on

892
00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Tauendre if you want to look into it, because all

893
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:31.320
<v Speaker 1>these things happen and then you know, the dad, he

894
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:33.199
<v Speaker 1>just dies from a goat, so that could be.

895
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:37.840
<v Speaker 2>So Trevor's like, how are you reading into that scene?

896
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:40.559
<v Speaker 6>Then with the old witch in the barn with them

897
00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:41.760
<v Speaker 6>you don't think she was actually there?

898
00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:44.360
<v Speaker 1>No, it's just like another hallucination sort of like I

899
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:47.559
<v Speaker 1>definitely don't think she even if the case, So if

900
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:50.760
<v Speaker 1>I think that that that witch is in the forest

901
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:52.920
<v Speaker 1>and everything, right, because like even then we.

902
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Never girlfriends what you're talking about or the well there was.

903
00:39:56.119 --> 00:39:58.679
<v Speaker 1>I think the one that eats the baby. Cale's girlfriend

904
00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:00.679
<v Speaker 1>is still her because when she re she's around, she has.

905
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:02.280
<v Speaker 2>An old arm, right, Oh I see, Okay.

906
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:05.199
<v Speaker 1>The only thing that's odd is we don't like I've

907
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:08.360
<v Speaker 1>always thought it's interested when Anya gets to the final

908
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:11.400
<v Speaker 1>coven and they're all spinning, but and whatnot, you never

909
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:14.039
<v Speaker 1>have like a moment of Anya's seeing that witch, like

910
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:16.800
<v Speaker 1>the witch that has like haunted them the whole movie.

911
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:19.559
<v Speaker 1>You would think that would be almost like a respect,

912
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:21.239
<v Speaker 1>like oh, you're here with us now, and like, oh,

913
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:23.159
<v Speaker 1>this is where I'm supposed to be. You never see

914
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:25.480
<v Speaker 1>that now. Granted, this happens a lot of witch folk

915
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:27.480
<v Speaker 1>right where she could be one of those witches that

916
00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:29.840
<v Speaker 1>are now young and sexy. That happens right, like they

917
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:33.159
<v Speaker 1>take youth and stuff. So but still I always thought

918
00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:35.320
<v Speaker 1>that is odd that she doesn't have a moment with

919
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:36.960
<v Speaker 1>any witch that would kind of say like, oh, yeah,

920
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:39.280
<v Speaker 1>I've been like messing with your whole family for a

921
00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:41.199
<v Speaker 1>couple of days and now you're here and it's great

922
00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:43.480
<v Speaker 1>to see you. So for me though, if that witch

923
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:45.760
<v Speaker 1>it's like we talk about the baby being take away

924
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:49.159
<v Speaker 1>as magic if that witch is like an actual character

925
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:51.519
<v Speaker 1>and messing with them. I think she's there in like

926
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:53.960
<v Speaker 1>a magical way, not as like a physical like you

927
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:56.280
<v Speaker 1>couldn't touch that witch and like pull her off and

928
00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:59.840
<v Speaker 1>start punching her. She's there in like a astral projection

929
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:01.800
<v Speaker 1>and something or could just poof away. I don't think

930
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:04.239
<v Speaker 1>she's actually there sucking on the tee and you could

931
00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:04.960
<v Speaker 1>pull her off.

932
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:07.199
<v Speaker 2>So then how do you explain the goats that were

933
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:11.119
<v Speaker 2>just drained right there? Just magic?

934
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:14.599
<v Speaker 1>How would you explain that as far as like Onya

935
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:16.960
<v Speaker 1>wakes up and those goats are still live? So did

936
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:21.719
<v Speaker 1>go on you like the witch clock her? You know,

937
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:22.760
<v Speaker 1>that's a tough thing.

938
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:25.239
<v Speaker 6>I I really don't know how to answer that like cleanly,

939
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:28.119
<v Speaker 6>because my my running theory was just somehow the witch

940
00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:31.800
<v Speaker 6>got in there, whether like we like we were mentioning the.

941
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Rabbit or.

942
00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:36.079
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, she got I'm pretty sure the first time

943
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:38.039
<v Speaker 6>I watched this, I probably dozed off and woke up

944
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:40.599
<v Speaker 6>in that scene to her just at me. It's like

945
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:42.679
<v Speaker 6>the scene of Blockers where I just locked eyes with

946
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:44.800
<v Speaker 6>the witch looking at me, and.

947
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:46.679
<v Speaker 1>Then she could be the rabbit, right she's there and

948
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:47.320
<v Speaker 1>then yeah, so.

949
00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:50.679
<v Speaker 6>She got and the goats probably took the twigs and

950
00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:53.159
<v Speaker 6>then just left on you because she knows that she's

951
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:53.960
<v Speaker 6>turning into the witch.

952
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:55.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't like, I don't.

953
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:57.079
<v Speaker 3>Really thought too much about it though, when the dad

954
00:41:57.119 --> 00:41:58.840
<v Speaker 3>locked him up in the bar and I'm like, there's

955
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:00.400
<v Speaker 3>got to be way out of this barn, right, Like.

956
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:03.119
<v Speaker 2>Do those nails he was using like.

957
00:42:03.039 --> 00:42:05.199
<v Speaker 3>One door the roofs made of hay, Like I think

958
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:05.880
<v Speaker 3>that's what I mean.

959
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:09.039
<v Speaker 6>The nails were like it was like a like tiny,

960
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:11.639
<v Speaker 6>like one little nail floppy board.

961
00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:13.920
<v Speaker 1>I just also thought really bold of him to still

962
00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:15.880
<v Speaker 1>like go to bed, because like the next thing, he

963
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:17.679
<v Speaker 1>wakes up and he climbs over his wife, Like that's

964
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:20.159
<v Speaker 1>a night where you're I'm gonna fucking sit outside this

965
00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:22.920
<v Speaker 1>barn and I'm keeping my eyes on all Like who

966
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:26.519
<v Speaker 1>goes to bed after everything that you think exhausted.

967
00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:29.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if people live in this time era,

968
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:31.159
<v Speaker 2>let alone.

969
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:33.440
<v Speaker 3>With the witchcraft, like on the edge of starvation.

970
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:37.440
<v Speaker 1>This is life. I'm fine if it's he's outside and

971
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:40.079
<v Speaker 1>he falls asleep, but he's fully tucked into the bed

972
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:42.840
<v Speaker 1>with his life. Yeah, Like that's a night where it's

973
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:44.599
<v Speaker 1>like one of my three kids could be a witch.

974
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:46.599
<v Speaker 1>I gotta fucking stay up. There's no way I'm going

975
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:47.039
<v Speaker 1>into bed.

976
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:48.920
<v Speaker 5>But like, well that's the thing, Like I feel like

977
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:52.519
<v Speaker 5>this guy he's lost, he's lost two kids at this point,

978
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:54.800
<v Speaker 5>he's thinking like, holy funk, I had to lock the

979
00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:57.039
<v Speaker 5>rest of my kids in the barn with black Phil

980
00:42:57.119 --> 00:42:59.599
<v Speaker 5>up to go my wife. I walked in on my

981
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:02.280
<v Speaker 5>wife getting you know, with the crow again, walked to

982
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:04.840
<v Speaker 5>my wife with that. Like this guy is clearly just thinking,

983
00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:07.519
<v Speaker 5>you know what, I'm fucking done. He's he's thinking about

984
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:09.800
<v Speaker 5>building his barn and becoming a wheat farmer.

985
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:12.159
<v Speaker 4>So he's going to bed that night. He's just calling

986
00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:12.760
<v Speaker 4>it quits.

987
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:15.239
<v Speaker 3>His wife come for me in a pile of wood.

988
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:17.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm out of here, like just get me, yeah, out

989
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:17.719
<v Speaker 3>of here.

990
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:19.760
<v Speaker 1>And then before it really got bad, his wife all

991
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:22.239
<v Speaker 1>submitted that she doesn't love him anymore and doesn't think

992
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:24.880
<v Speaker 1>she could ever love him. So just another just like

993
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:27.159
<v Speaker 1>drop that in there. His son is like dying in

994
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:28.639
<v Speaker 1>the room. She's like, yeah, you know, I don't really

995
00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:30.320
<v Speaker 1>love you and I don't think I could in the future.

996
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:37.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, another another theory here to add on, Like Anya

997
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:41.079
<v Speaker 3>being passed out, and then like she's the witch in

998
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:44.400
<v Speaker 3>those moments, because so the first time, there's kind of

999
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:46.880
<v Speaker 3>two sequences when Caleb's checking out his sister. The first

1000
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:49.440
<v Speaker 3>one she's just like sleeping in the house, and then

1001
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:51.280
<v Speaker 3>the next time it's like when they're at the river

1002
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:54.800
<v Speaker 3>cleaning clothes or something, and she like catches him, and

1003
00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:57.480
<v Speaker 3>so it's it's almost it's not clear if she saw

1004
00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:00.960
<v Speaker 3>him checking her out, but she's like seems like she

1005
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:04.239
<v Speaker 3>maybe fifty percent chance kind of acknowledged him there in

1006
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:07.159
<v Speaker 3>doing that. And then obviously when he gets baited into

1007
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:09.599
<v Speaker 3>that barn later, it's like some witch who just has

1008
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:10.639
<v Speaker 3>like her boobs out.

1009
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:12.599
<v Speaker 1>She punishes him for his crimes, you know.

1010
00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:15.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I don't know. I feel like the more

1011
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:17.039
<v Speaker 3>we talk about it, the more that theory seems pretty

1012
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:19.400
<v Speaker 3>likely to me. And once again, now I gotta do

1013
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:23.320
<v Speaker 3>a rewatch to confirm her see if it actually lines

1014
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:26.119
<v Speaker 3>up or if it's just me and I remember dream

1015
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:27.960
<v Speaker 3>inception style trying to piece all together.

1016
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:29.960
<v Speaker 1>It's definitely gone out that theory because when we talk

1017
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:31.920
<v Speaker 1>about the barn, just certain things and like the idea

1018
00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:34.000
<v Speaker 1>of like I didn't really think about her and the

1019
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:36.639
<v Speaker 1>sleeping and like any time, and again, even if it's

1020
00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:39.000
<v Speaker 1>like unbeknownst to her, she's doing these things right, if

1021
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:41.679
<v Speaker 1>it is a bewitched or a possession in a way

1022
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:43.719
<v Speaker 1>that she could be like the con to it. Like

1023
00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:45.880
<v Speaker 1>even then maybe the fucking witch is like she's not

1024
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:49.360
<v Speaker 1>the rabbit. She's just like like puppeteering on you to

1025
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:51.320
<v Speaker 1>do some of these things right, and she can just

1026
00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:53.559
<v Speaker 1>stay in her little cave while you.

1027
00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:55.480
<v Speaker 3>Can see we even see Caleb like doing a full

1028
00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:58.239
<v Speaker 3>stealth sequence out of the house. So like clearly she

1029
00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:00.199
<v Speaker 3>could just at any point in the night like up

1030
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:03.360
<v Speaker 3>and leave, presumably quietly without anyone else noticing.

1031
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:05.800
<v Speaker 1>That's fast asleep in bed as always, you know. Yeah,

1032
00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:10.760
<v Speaker 1>she loves me, always getting a good night's sleep.

1033
00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:12.840
<v Speaker 2>All ten hours every night.

1034
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that weather though you're sleeping on the outside pretty

1035
00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:21.960
<v Speaker 1>much like like obviously there's stuck to do, but when

1036
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:23.840
<v Speaker 1>you're camping, that's some of the best sleeps ever. You're

1037
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:26.679
<v Speaker 1>just sleeping in the great outdoors. So that's this guy.

1038
00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:34.679
<v Speaker 3>So mm hmm, Yeah, this is the most relaxed. Yeah,

1039
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:38.159
<v Speaker 3>this is this is a pivot, but one thing and

1040
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:40.280
<v Speaker 3>I think it's it's kind of what you're saying there, Travis,

1041
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:42.840
<v Speaker 3>of like the food theory, it's not fully there, but

1042
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:47.480
<v Speaker 3>just like a lot of obscure, nasty, weird things happening

1043
00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:50.559
<v Speaker 3>with and related to animals in this right, Like the

1044
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:52.760
<v Speaker 3>first thing I think we see is that they're one

1045
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:56.000
<v Speaker 3>of the chicken eggs I guess like didn't survive. There's

1046
00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:59.039
<v Speaker 3>like a dead baby chicken there. Of course, when the

1047
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:01.719
<v Speaker 3>when the fall is trying to aim his gun at

1048
00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:03.679
<v Speaker 3>the rabbit, that's when he gets like shot in the eye.

1049
00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:07.280
<v Speaker 3>The dog dies pretty early on the goat starts squirting

1050
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:10.199
<v Speaker 3>blood instead of milk. The crow scene obviously we brought

1051
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:13.079
<v Speaker 3>that up, and then the goat. So yeah, a lot

1052
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:16.880
<v Speaker 3>of weird, strange things happen happening to animals, which I

1053
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:19.679
<v Speaker 3>guess is maybe just like easier for a witch to

1054
00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:23.800
<v Speaker 3>control an animal or or I think so even like

1055
00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:25.480
<v Speaker 3>maybe now that I'm thinking about more, maybe it's not

1056
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:28.039
<v Speaker 3>the the witch transforming into the rabbit and acting as

1057
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:31.360
<v Speaker 3>the rabbit, because once again, if it was that Anya scene,

1058
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:33.920
<v Speaker 3>and let's say she is the witch in that moment,

1059
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:36.719
<v Speaker 3>then obviously like her and the rabbit exist in different spots.

1060
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:38.840
<v Speaker 3>But more so that maybe like a simple creature like

1061
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:41.519
<v Speaker 3>that is easy to command for a witch.

1062
00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:44.159
<v Speaker 1>I would think so for sure. I just think more

1063
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:44.760
<v Speaker 1>it's kind.

1064
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:46.679
<v Speaker 3>Of just smaller than animal, the easier to control.

1065
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:50.159
<v Speaker 1>Weak mind like not that bundy, Like I'm sure bunnies.

1066
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:51.719
<v Speaker 3>Are Bunnies are weak minded. What are you gonna do? Like,

1067
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:53.639
<v Speaker 3>but I mean the bunny listeners.

1068
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Of yeah, I mean compared to like if we look

1069
00:46:56.920 --> 00:46:58.800
<v Speaker 1>at the food chain, I think we're much higher on

1070
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:01.800
<v Speaker 1>the bunny that are much higher than the bunny, right,

1071
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:04.559
<v Speaker 1>So that's where I think we're supposed to And they

1072
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:07.320
<v Speaker 1>don't know I imagine they don't know about witches and

1073
00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:09.400
<v Speaker 1>hell and sinning and stuff, so they don't have those

1074
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:12.320
<v Speaker 1>sorrows trouble. They're sleeping better than the dad, you know,

1075
00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:14.679
<v Speaker 1>at night. So m.

1076
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:18.760
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I just kind of attribute that to like a

1077
00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:23.280
<v Speaker 6>witchcraft type type thing of them just messing with livestock

1078
00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:26.159
<v Speaker 6>and animals and just especially like even the crops, right,

1079
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:29.039
<v Speaker 6>Like you could you could say that that's witchcraft, that's

1080
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:31.320
<v Speaker 6>just making all their crops moldy. You could just be

1081
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:33.199
<v Speaker 6>terrible land And that's just the way that it goes,

1082
00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:34.880
<v Speaker 6>because that's probably the reality of life.

1083
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:38.039
<v Speaker 5>Back doesn't doesn't she call him up for being a

1084
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:40.800
<v Speaker 5>ship farmer, like you just go back and cut wood like.

1085
00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:41.559
<v Speaker 1>You limp dick.

1086
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:44.559
<v Speaker 3>It did seem like he had a lot of like

1087
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:46.599
<v Speaker 3>maybe too much wood cut, So maybe you should have

1088
00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:48.760
<v Speaker 3>spend more time working on the cross.

1089
00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Was you should water more?

1090
00:47:56.320 --> 00:48:00.880
<v Speaker 6>But yeah, just just that's like attention to the animals.

1091
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:05.360
<v Speaker 6>I definitely like sickening. I feel like just most of

1092
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:09.840
<v Speaker 6>it is grotesque imagery, whether it's the like the the

1093
00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:12.519
<v Speaker 6>miscarriage I guess of an egg for like the little

1094
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:15.920
<v Speaker 6>chicken there. They didn't have to show us the dog dying,

1095
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:18.679
<v Speaker 6>but fuck they sure did, and those bastards just made

1096
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:21.320
<v Speaker 6>it made it that much harder to see. But uh, yeah,

1097
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:24.320
<v Speaker 6>I I just kind of attribute that to a which thing. Again,

1098
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:27.760
<v Speaker 6>it's uh it's very warhammer like getting the uh the

1099
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:31.440
<v Speaker 6>corruption of the livestock and all all those aspects. So yeah,

1100
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:34.440
<v Speaker 6>I I I liked it for what it was, but

1101
00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:37.000
<v Speaker 6>I did not like seeing it. I feel like the

1102
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:39.639
<v Speaker 6>crow scene, I remember seeing it, but when it was

1103
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:41.320
<v Speaker 6>coming up, I forgot about it or I would have

1104
00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:43.800
<v Speaker 6>looked away. And it's just like, yeah, no, that's that's

1105
00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:46.519
<v Speaker 6>what I got. As I'm putting my you know, spoon

1106
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:48.320
<v Speaker 6>of food in my mouth. I get that shot.

1107
00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:50.840
<v Speaker 2>Pause the movie, come back to this when I'm done eating.

1108
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:52.840
<v Speaker 1>For me, it's a fact if like, obviously it's still

1109
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:56.360
<v Speaker 1>like a disturbing scene. But what's so unsettling about it

1110
00:48:56.480 --> 00:49:00.000
<v Speaker 1>is so she's there. This is just after the second

1111
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:02.280
<v Speaker 1>son has died and the baby, and then she's having

1112
00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:05.280
<v Speaker 1>this hallucination right that he's there and he has the baby,

1113
00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:07.199
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, oh, he's gonna be so happier back,

1114
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:09.719
<v Speaker 1>and then she starts to breastfeed the baby, which I

1115
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:11.840
<v Speaker 1>feel like we all know even before it's okay, this

1116
00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:13.760
<v Speaker 1>is not gonna be good. But it's just like it's

1117
00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:15.320
<v Speaker 1>still like in a loving way, like, oh, I gotta

1118
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:18.039
<v Speaker 1>switch size. But then when they hardcut to it later

1119
00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:19.960
<v Speaker 1>and the crow is just nipping at her, but she's

1120
00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:24.519
<v Speaker 1>also just like laughing, and it's so it's fucking is

1121
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:27.760
<v Speaker 1>just rattling because it's just like she nobody like when

1122
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:30.199
<v Speaker 1>they're breasting their babies, like laughing like that, right, So

1123
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:33.880
<v Speaker 1>it's just like she's completely fucking mad, and it's just again,

1124
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:35.800
<v Speaker 1>she also gets a good night sleep. She goes back

1125
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:37.920
<v Speaker 1>in the bed and also falls asleep. So these people

1126
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:40.599
<v Speaker 1>can just sleep like a rock. But yeah, that doesn't.

1127
00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:42.360
<v Speaker 3>Change her shirt's like no rocking.

1128
00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:45.679
<v Speaker 1>That's what gets me though. It's her laughing during that

1129
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:49.239
<v Speaker 1>and she looks so bewildered. And great job by that actress.

1130
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:51.920
<v Speaker 1>She does a phenomenal job just seeing like completely a

1131
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:54.519
<v Speaker 1>different person and a good, good death scene too. Or

1132
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:56.519
<v Speaker 1>she tries to kill on you and she's just she's

1133
00:49:56.519 --> 00:49:58.960
<v Speaker 1>just she's like a rabbit animal at that point too,

1134
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:01.960
<v Speaker 1>She's like the goat where she's just doesn't matter what

1135
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:04.280
<v Speaker 1>Anya would say in that moment, whatever has happened. She's

1136
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:06.639
<v Speaker 1>just I'm gonna kill my daughter right here. And it

1137
00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:08.440
<v Speaker 1>is like a killer be killed. You either gotta kill

1138
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:09.880
<v Speaker 1>me or I'm gonna kill you. And it's just like

1139
00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:13.440
<v Speaker 1>terrible scene if you think Anya is an innocent person

1140
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:15.440
<v Speaker 1>in this, so it is brutal.

1141
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:19.000
<v Speaker 3>I think I'm officially done with the trope of one

1142
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:21.199
<v Speaker 3>character is being pinned down by the other character. Character

1143
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:24.239
<v Speaker 3>on the ground struggles, swings their arm around, you get

1144
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:26.519
<v Speaker 3>a cut shot of them reaching for a sharp object

1145
00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:29.320
<v Speaker 3>and smacking the person. I think I've seen that five

1146
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:31.360
<v Speaker 3>too many times now and I don't want any movie

1147
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:33.719
<v Speaker 3>to ever do it again. So I'm sure, you have

1148
00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:36.920
<v Speaker 3>some uh maybe planned and your I forget if there's

1149
00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:37.719
<v Speaker 3>one in a drenochrome.

1150
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:39.039
<v Speaker 1>What is the specific scene again?

1151
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:41.960
<v Speaker 3>Give me that again, character pinned on the ground. Yeah,

1152
00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:45.119
<v Speaker 3>and then the character on the ground is flaming their arms.

1153
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:48.039
<v Speaker 3>They reach for something sharp, they grab it and stab

1154
00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:49.719
<v Speaker 3>the person in the head and get them all some

1155
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:53.400
<v Speaker 3>kind of have a struggling ground shot and a drenochrome.

1156
00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:55.280
<v Speaker 3>I do, but I like that, but it's different.

1157
00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:57.800
<v Speaker 1>I think, well, because the thing is, it's the the

1158
00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:01.039
<v Speaker 1>character sees it and then they purposely move in that

1159
00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:03.679
<v Speaker 1>direction to get set object. Does that make a better

1160
00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:06.480
<v Speaker 1>few instead of just flare like they see it?

1161
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:09.000
<v Speaker 3>And I think, just the one that's here in the Witch,

1162
00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:12.159
<v Speaker 3>I've seen this exact shot a million times, but just

1163
00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:18.000
<v Speaker 3>onct object. She's probably done it in another movie to

1164
00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:19.800
<v Speaker 3>there's no there's none in the same probably did it

1165
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:22.480
<v Speaker 3>in the menu, I don't remember, but she probably did

1166
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:26.239
<v Speaker 3>so as well with her magic sword, you know all

1167
00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:26.840
<v Speaker 3>that stuff.

1168
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:28.559
<v Speaker 1>I'll keep that in mind. I don't think there's any

1169
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:30.280
<v Speaker 1>second movies, so I think we're good. We're good.

1170
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:34.400
<v Speaker 3>I just feel like it doesn't Yeah, ten million. The

1171
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:37.079
<v Speaker 3>person on the bottom always wins that exchange show. There's

1172
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:40.280
<v Speaker 3>no there's no question about who's gonna come out on top.

1173
00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:46.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, that's fair. Yeah, yeah, anything else.

1174
00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:49.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I just want to quickly highlight some acting

1175
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:53.920
<v Speaker 3>like Anya for her first movie, first major role, like it,

1176
00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:55.800
<v Speaker 3>did an amazing job here. There's one of her best

1177
00:51:55.880 --> 00:51:57.840
<v Speaker 3>roles still, I think, and I've seen quite a few

1178
00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:02.599
<v Speaker 3>of her movies. Now. Uh, Caleb the eldest son, Harvey

1179
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:04.800
<v Speaker 3>crim Scrimshaws the name of the actor.

1180
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:05.559
<v Speaker 1>I think it's great.

1181
00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:09.559
<v Speaker 3>He has to do some wild stuff, especially when he's seen. Yeah,

1182
00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:12.000
<v Speaker 3>when like the Exorcism scene when he when you I

1183
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:13.639
<v Speaker 3>think he's about to get up on all the arms

1184
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:16.360
<v Speaker 3>and walk like a spits the apple out like that.

1185
00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:18.679
<v Speaker 3>He does a really really great job there. And then

1186
00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:20.719
<v Speaker 3>of course both the parents do a really great job,

1187
00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:23.320
<v Speaker 3>especially Ralph. For me, he's kind of the standout between

1188
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:25.000
<v Speaker 3>the two, and he just gets to do a little

1189
00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:28.079
<v Speaker 3>bit more other than the yeah, deep gravelly voice, which

1190
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:29.639
<v Speaker 3>it's a great voice, but yeah, it is hard to

1191
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:33.239
<v Speaker 3>hard to hear what he's saying exactly. But yeah, I

1192
00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:34.960
<v Speaker 3>think I think they all do a really good job. So,

1193
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:35.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, shouts to.

1194
00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:38.239
<v Speaker 1>All the acting across the board, especially because it's the

1195
00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:40.320
<v Speaker 1>voice while trying to do like this like kind of

1196
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:42.400
<v Speaker 1>old timy accent. I think that's the double because I've

1197
00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:45.400
<v Speaker 1>heard him like when he's a Green Knight. I feel

1198
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:47.320
<v Speaker 1>like I didn't have any troubles then, So I feel

1199
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:50.480
<v Speaker 1>like it's that combo of gravelly voice and using the

1200
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:52.760
<v Speaker 1>the the and stuff, and.

1201
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:54.440
<v Speaker 6>It's the type of movie I would expect to not

1202
00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:55.320
<v Speaker 6>be able to understand.

1203
00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:57.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, subtitles, it feels authentic.

1204
00:52:57.320 --> 00:53:00.480
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, if you hear those like render of like what

1205
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:03.719
<v Speaker 6>old English sounded like from like the Middle Ages, Like, yeah,

1206
00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:05.360
<v Speaker 6>I feel like he'd be pretty close to that.

1207
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:07.239
<v Speaker 2>He's probably the guy in the videos doing doing all

1208
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:13.559
<v Speaker 2>the readings. Yeah, Black Philip.

1209
00:53:13.639 --> 00:53:16.159
<v Speaker 6>I didn't notice his human form the first time around

1210
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:19.880
<v Speaker 6>because it's a very dark film. And I kind it's

1211
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:22.960
<v Speaker 6>interesting too, because like you don't really see until like

1212
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:25.000
<v Speaker 6>you just get like the black hand like go on

1213
00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:27.480
<v Speaker 6>her shoulder, and like right away you just know that

1214
00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:31.719
<v Speaker 6>she's I feel like, okay, the witch stuff. I've seen

1215
00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:33.280
<v Speaker 6>shots of a witch. You know, you can make the

1216
00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:36.719
<v Speaker 6>argument it's just dream sequence or their imagining worst case scenario.

1217
00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:41.599
<v Speaker 6>As soon as Black Phillips starts speaking to Anya, it's like, oh, yeah,

1218
00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:43.039
<v Speaker 6>she's she's doing She's.

1219
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Just going to hell.

1220
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:47.800
<v Speaker 6>She is full on in Satan's clutches here. And I

1221
00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:49.559
<v Speaker 6>like it though, because it's literally like what the first

1222
00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:53.039
<v Speaker 6>ten minutes I think when that like sequence happened, probably

1223
00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:55.320
<v Speaker 6>even less maybe last five minutes, like it's really the

1224
00:53:55.440 --> 00:54:00.280
<v Speaker 6>end of the film. Oh when he speaks and you

1225
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:02.639
<v Speaker 6>just just made me think of the first eight minutes

1226
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:04.559
<v Speaker 6>of this film as you see the witch eating that child.

1227
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:07.519
<v Speaker 6>So it's they really get you in the the front

1228
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:08.599
<v Speaker 6>of the back of this movie.

1229
00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:11.960
<v Speaker 5>I feel like black phillis making some pretty good deals

1230
00:54:11.960 --> 00:54:15.400
<v Speaker 5>on his end because he's like butter, Butter, Yeah, you

1231
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:16.000
<v Speaker 5>can have it.

1232
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It didn't take the movie down for me at all.

1233
00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:21.880
<v Speaker 1>I didn't need the human form. I think I like

1234
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:24.159
<v Speaker 1>it better just up to the net because like it's

1235
00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:26.079
<v Speaker 1>to me, it's always tough when you have like a

1236
00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:28.760
<v Speaker 1>representation of the devil and then like the human forms, like, well,

1237
00:54:28.880 --> 00:54:30.840
<v Speaker 1>should the devil have a human form per se? And

1238
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:33.480
<v Speaker 1>if it does, Like so, I was fine with just

1239
00:54:33.519 --> 00:54:35.719
<v Speaker 1>the voice and the go and I think I didn't

1240
00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:38.000
<v Speaker 1>need the guy with the uh.

1241
00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:40.360
<v Speaker 6>I think it was mostly just surprising because I wasn't

1242
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:42.159
<v Speaker 6>expecting a human because I didn't see it the first

1243
00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:43.880
<v Speaker 6>time around, but it's.

1244
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:45.800
<v Speaker 2>I was also really tired of that first viewing. Yeah,

1245
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:46.800
<v Speaker 2>fair enough for a point.

1246
00:54:48.599 --> 00:54:53.800
<v Speaker 3>I'm noteless over here, boys, other than trivia, noteless ny

1247
00:54:53.880 --> 00:55:01.519
<v Speaker 3>notes nay nay, really making us wait for that?

1248
00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:05.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my goodness. Okay, So if anyone was wondering the

1249
00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:08.159
<v Speaker 1>spelling of the title with the Witch with the double

1250
00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:10.679
<v Speaker 1>v's is how they used to write the word in

1251
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:13.599
<v Speaker 1>the stories period because the letter W was not yet

1252
00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:14.880
<v Speaker 1>in common use at the time.

1253
00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:17.960
<v Speaker 3>Which you know, what is it called a double let's

1254
00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:18.599
<v Speaker 3>call it a double V.

1255
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:20.880
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking about that too, the bitch.

1256
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:27.320
<v Speaker 1>According to cinematography, the cinematographer, the film was mostly sorry

1257
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:31.199
<v Speaker 1>was shot mostly with available natural light, which is very impressive.

1258
00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:33.599
<v Speaker 1>And obviously they they I think I looked at it

1259
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:35.559
<v Speaker 1>was only twenty five days shoots, so obviously they probably

1260
00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:39.639
<v Speaker 1>just had there from to like I don't know, eight

1261
00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:43.639
<v Speaker 1>to you know, sundown or whatever. But I've been there.

1262
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:45.960
<v Speaker 1>We just we've shot again recently and we're gonna do

1263
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:48.320
<v Speaker 1>it again this week. We're shooting stuff outside and there's

1264
00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:50.360
<v Speaker 1>always a point where we're outside. I'm like, fuck, I

1265
00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:52.719
<v Speaker 1>never want to shoot any movie outside anymore because all

1266
00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:56.119
<v Speaker 1>it takes is just some turn with the weather something.

1267
00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:58.480
<v Speaker 1>It's like, man, this is a match up. It's a pain.

1268
00:55:58.599 --> 00:56:00.280
<v Speaker 1>So good for them that I just kind of all

1269
00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:02.280
<v Speaker 1>worked and it all looked like whatever time of year

1270
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:05.239
<v Speaker 1>they shot, it's always like kind of cloudy and foggy.

1271
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:08.159
<v Speaker 1>So I think that that environment seemed to work out

1272
00:56:08.199 --> 00:56:11.280
<v Speaker 1>a lot for them. But uh. The premise is based

1273
00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:14.280
<v Speaker 1>on the America's first witch hysteria, set sixty two years

1274
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:18.239
<v Speaker 1>before the infamous Salem witch trials in Massachusetts. This is

1275
00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:19.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of like the big So this is where it's

1276
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:22.000
<v Speaker 1>like it's you gotta think about, like people are already

1277
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:24.559
<v Speaker 1>scared of witches and it's like a hysteria. This is

1278
00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:26.719
<v Speaker 1>like sixty two years before it gets to that like

1279
00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:29.119
<v Speaker 1>really bad. Like I said, those memes of like you

1280
00:56:29.239 --> 00:56:31.039
<v Speaker 1>do math and like that's a witch, you know, like

1281
00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:34.719
<v Speaker 1>of like if anythings, if a woman does anything that

1282
00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:37.280
<v Speaker 1>is even smarter than the males, they're just gonna And

1283
00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:39.679
<v Speaker 1>there's people that you know, abuse that that would get

1284
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:41.599
<v Speaker 1>people killed by just saying they're witches, but really they

1285
00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:44.400
<v Speaker 1>did nothing. But uh, but yeah, kind of what we've

1286
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:46.599
<v Speaker 1>talked about the director designed the film to be interpreted

1287
00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:49.400
<v Speaker 1>two ways, literally as if the family was besieged by

1288
00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:52.880
<v Speaker 1>real witches and satanic forces, or figuraively as the family

1289
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:55.280
<v Speaker 1>has to come to a shared psychosist to their strained

1290
00:56:55.320 --> 00:56:58.280
<v Speaker 1>circumstances and beliefs. They're small hints about the film that

1291
00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:01.519
<v Speaker 1>could serve as a reasonable causes behind the events beyond

1292
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:05.320
<v Speaker 1>the obvious supernatural, such as the contaminated food that caused

1293
00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:10.800
<v Speaker 1>hallucinations back in the day, repressed sexual desires, and extreme isolation.

1294
00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:13.320
<v Speaker 1>The director state, it's up to the viewer and he

1295
00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:15.880
<v Speaker 1>will not answer any of those so and he would

1296
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:21.280
<v Speaker 1>not also answer if he's had any other worldly interactions

1297
00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:24.159
<v Speaker 1>like ghosts, whatever, stuff like that. He just had no comment,

1298
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:26.519
<v Speaker 1>so kind of I think some interviewers asked if he

1299
00:57:26.599 --> 00:57:28.199
<v Speaker 1>believed in the stuff and just no.

1300
00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:30.000
<v Speaker 5>Hey, then you gotta ge him on cryptid clues and

1301
00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:32.840
<v Speaker 5>break that open. Yeah, that's gonna be a you know,

1302
00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:35.760
<v Speaker 5>a hard cell. But I can I don't know how

1303
00:57:36.039 --> 00:57:37.679
<v Speaker 5>do I how do I get him? Get him on

1304
00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:38.800
<v Speaker 5>the show and ask him.

1305
00:57:38.960 --> 00:57:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, you get him on the show, and then you

1306
00:57:40.039 --> 00:57:43.119
<v Speaker 1>also get him to produce a film for us. And

1307
00:57:43.199 --> 00:57:44.760
<v Speaker 1>we talked to him, you know, one thing at a time.

1308
00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:48.119
<v Speaker 2>We'll do the Cryptid Clues appearance first and then start

1309
00:57:48.800 --> 00:57:49.639
<v Speaker 2>talked about going.

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00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:52.159
<v Speaker 4>Do a which sequel, but we'll have us cast in it.

1311
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:53.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to do which sequel that.

1312
00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:57.760
<v Speaker 3>He's having the crow come for their nips.

1313
00:57:58.039 --> 00:57:59.079
<v Speaker 2>I'll sacrifice a boo.

1314
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Is Taylor then just not me? Quentin Robert Eggers. He

1315
00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:06.719
<v Speaker 1>did not direct Harvey Scrimshaw through most of his difficult scenes,

1316
00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:09.800
<v Speaker 1>and those scenes Scrimshaw was directed by Ralph Innoson. Aggars

1317
00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:11.840
<v Speaker 1>had no children at the time, and while Innoson was

1318
00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:14.199
<v Speaker 1>the father of two and frequently was an acting coach

1319
00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:16.719
<v Speaker 1>or instructor to children and knew but much better how

1320
00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:19.320
<v Speaker 1>to coach young children. This was not planned, but Agars,

1321
00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:23.159
<v Speaker 1>amid the Ensign's coaching uh was had a oh. He

1322
00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:26.960
<v Speaker 1>had a hard time understanding Anger's direction. Agers Ensign used

1323
00:58:26.960 --> 00:58:29.639
<v Speaker 1>Scrimshaw's passion for soccer and coached him like he was

1324
00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:32.440
<v Speaker 1>preparing for a high stakes game of football. So I

1325
00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:34.760
<v Speaker 1>guess which the reason that I put that in is

1326
00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:35.840
<v Speaker 1>like that. To me, it's just a sign of a

1327
00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:38.679
<v Speaker 1>good director where he's trying to direct this kid. It

1328
00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:40.480
<v Speaker 1>ain't working. He like and he says it's in like

1329
00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:42.000
<v Speaker 1>a pause away because that a good story. Just like

1330
00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:44.480
<v Speaker 1>not working. He's not getting what I'm putting down. He

1331
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:48.559
<v Speaker 1>recognizes that Richard is like works with kids and acting

1332
00:58:48.639 --> 00:58:50.360
<v Speaker 1>like hey, why don't you work with him? So all

1333
00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:52.840
<v Speaker 1>that stuff like that possession stuff like oh he's a

1334
00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:56.199
<v Speaker 1>kid as well, but that's I call the Richard. Ralph

1335
00:58:56.360 --> 00:58:58.000
<v Speaker 1>is helping him a lot through that. So I just

1336
00:58:58.000 --> 00:58:59.679
<v Speaker 1>put that in. There's like a great note by a

1337
00:58:59.719 --> 00:59:02.000
<v Speaker 1>direct and didn't like get all like, oh, this kid's

1338
00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:03.519
<v Speaker 1>not fucking listen to me and I'm the guy and

1339
00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:05.199
<v Speaker 1>said like, hey, how do we get through this kid? Well,

1340
00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:07.880
<v Speaker 1>you work with the kids, right, like, go work with them,

1341
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:09.960
<v Speaker 1>And it worked and it probably helps you. Theyre supposed

1342
00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:11.360
<v Speaker 1>to be father and son, so it kind of builds

1343
00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:12.000
<v Speaker 1>that dynamic.

1344
00:59:12.039 --> 00:59:14.039
<v Speaker 3>But it's so wholesome. I love that.

1345
00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:15.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah trivia fact.

1346
00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:17.639
<v Speaker 2>It makes their like one on one scenes just that much.

1347
00:59:18.199 --> 00:59:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah or whatnot? Yeah, most of the film's dialogue and

1348
00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:24.239
<v Speaker 1>story were based on writings from the time, and they

1349
00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:26.199
<v Speaker 1>go there's a bunch of trivia about all the different

1350
00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:31.519
<v Speaker 1>uh like uh studying they did and investigations and stuff

1351
00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:35.679
<v Speaker 1>like that. Let's see This is his directional film debut.

1352
00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:38.000
<v Speaker 1>He had only done some short movies and written a

1353
00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:41.000
<v Speaker 1>script for The Witch. Unbeknownst to him, his editor friend

1354
00:59:41.159 --> 00:59:44.440
<v Speaker 1>Luis Ford, had passed the script on the producers Lars

1355
00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:49.079
<v Speaker 1>Knudsen and Jay van Hoy. That's when j van Hoy,

1356
00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:51.400
<v Speaker 1>with whom she was working with at time, Aggers was

1357
00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:54.119
<v Speaker 1>horrified because he didn't consider the script finish. But fortunately

1358
00:59:54.159 --> 00:59:57.119
<v Speaker 1>the producers loved it. They suggested that he simplify the

1359
00:59:57.119 --> 01:00:00.440
<v Speaker 1>structure because originally the script was divided into five and

1360
01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:03.360
<v Speaker 1>we're told from the perspective of each family member, and

1361
01:00:03.400 --> 01:00:05.400
<v Speaker 1>then four years later they made it into a movie.

1362
01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:08.559
<v Speaker 1>So good, good friend Louis steals the script, gives the

1363
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:11.119
<v Speaker 1>producers he's mad about it, and then like here but yeah,

1364
01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:13.519
<v Speaker 1>I guess that was the original script which I could

1365
01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:16.679
<v Speaker 1>see as producers like simp fine and also like I am.

1366
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:18.719
<v Speaker 1>I would love to read it though that version, because

1367
01:00:18.719 --> 01:00:20.440
<v Speaker 1>I'd love to see, like we talk about the twins,

1368
01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:23.440
<v Speaker 1>like what's their chapter? Because I mentioned the five chapters

1369
01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:27.079
<v Speaker 1>are like Anya, the brother, the mom, dad, and you'd

1370
01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:29.679
<v Speaker 1>have to be unless the chapter could have been from

1371
01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:31.559
<v Speaker 1>the Witch or the Santanic point of view.

1372
01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:34.280
<v Speaker 3>But it was a take away some of the ambiguity of.

1373
01:00:34.239 --> 01:00:37.000
<v Speaker 1>It, I think especially Yeah, so I think I think

1374
01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:40.000
<v Speaker 1>they found a better way there. During the witch hunts

1375
01:00:40.039 --> 01:00:43.119
<v Speaker 1>of the of America, it was wide they believe that

1376
01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:45.800
<v Speaker 1>a witch could not say the entire Lord's prayer. This

1377
01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:48.400
<v Speaker 1>is why the family soapst when Mercy and Joans are

1378
01:00:48.480 --> 01:00:51.840
<v Speaker 1>unable to finish the prayer. So that's why they I

1379
01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:53.960
<v Speaker 1>was wondering what was going on here, Yeah, because it

1380
01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:55.599
<v Speaker 1>is like I jumped it is this thing, like, there's

1381
01:00:55.599 --> 01:00:58.440
<v Speaker 1>all this evidence against Anya. She says one thing and

1382
01:00:58.519 --> 01:01:00.639
<v Speaker 1>that's like, oh, they kind of turned the twin. But

1383
01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:02.960
<v Speaker 1>she says this, But then I also they didn't finish

1384
01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:04.920
<v Speaker 1>the prayer and they were lying about being dead. So

1385
01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:08.679
<v Speaker 1>again there's other things in there. This is my this

1386
01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:11.400
<v Speaker 1>is the last year. This is my favorite thing. There

1387
01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:14.000
<v Speaker 1>were more scenes planned to evolve Black film, but because

1388
01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:16.519
<v Speaker 1>he was not a well trained goat, those ideas had

1389
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:19.400
<v Speaker 1>to be scrapped. Well in the scenes when Philip lunges

1390
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:22.280
<v Speaker 1>and struggles with the father was not ridden. It just happened.

1391
01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:24.239
<v Speaker 1>So obviously not the scene where he died, but just

1392
01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:26.400
<v Speaker 1>other things. And it's so funny because I know this

1393
01:01:26.440 --> 01:01:28.559
<v Speaker 1>sounds stupid, but there was a moment where Annie was

1394
01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:30.320
<v Speaker 1>looking at him. It's before the shit hits the fan,

1395
01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:32.920
<v Speaker 1>and then it's just Shaw the goat, and I was like,

1396
01:01:33.039 --> 01:01:34.440
<v Speaker 1>this is a shot of a goat, like they're trying

1397
01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:35.960
<v Speaker 1>to make it scary of like he's just a goat

1398
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:38.239
<v Speaker 1>and it sounds weird, but like, I feel like there

1399
01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:41.199
<v Speaker 1>are animals that are trained and have like an on

1400
01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:44.440
<v Speaker 1>screen like charisma or something. It's probably because they are

1401
01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:46.400
<v Speaker 1>trained so they have like a live look. But I

1402
01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:48.559
<v Speaker 1>remember looking at them and like, this looks like a goat.

1403
01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Like I know it's suposed to be the devil, but

1404
01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:52.559
<v Speaker 1>like there's nothing intimidating really about Black Pilp. He just

1405
01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:54.719
<v Speaker 1>looks like a regular goat. So I kind of laughed

1406
01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:56.800
<v Speaker 1>when I read the trivia, like yeah, he wasn't he's

1407
01:01:56.840 --> 01:01:58.639
<v Speaker 1>not well trained. I'm like, yeah, you got the worst

1408
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:00.800
<v Speaker 1>black coat you could find find out there.

1409
01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:01.800
<v Speaker 2>But I disagree.

1410
01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:03.639
<v Speaker 6>I thought it was scary because it was just really

1411
01:02:03.679 --> 01:02:05.360
<v Speaker 6>I feel like goats are terrifying animals.

1412
01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:08.079
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't of this. It's just like he's just like

1413
01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:10.320
<v Speaker 1>he just looked regular. But yeah, I guess there was

1414
01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:12.400
<v Speaker 1>no terrifying, no.

1415
01:02:11.880 --> 01:02:15.119
<v Speaker 2>No, yeah, tell me to murder my family.

1416
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:17.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, do you find a goat scary?

1417
01:02:18.760 --> 01:02:21.320
<v Speaker 5>I mean as a little kid, No, but they're usually

1418
01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:27.519
<v Speaker 5>they're associated with Satanism. Satanism as to the question, yes,

1419
01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:32.199
<v Speaker 5>I do, Okay, okay you but no, I wonder what

1420
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:33.280
<v Speaker 5>other scenes they had.

1421
01:02:33.320 --> 01:02:35.039
<v Speaker 1>But you know, I I also will say that again,

1422
01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:37.440
<v Speaker 1>like the changes in the script, I think it worked

1423
01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:39.519
<v Speaker 1>better having because I already didn't like him having human form.

1424
01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:41.280
<v Speaker 1>I think it worked better having him in smaller a

1425
01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:44.199
<v Speaker 1>mouths because like, like, is there some scene where he's

1426
01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:46.760
<v Speaker 1>like planning to chase the characters? Like, I don't know,

1427
01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:49.679
<v Speaker 1>Like I think black Philips in there the right amount

1428
01:02:49.800 --> 01:02:55.000
<v Speaker 1>in my opinion. So yeah, Tilmus, what are you scoring

1429
01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:55.440
<v Speaker 1>this thing?

1430
01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:00.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? This is this is this is my I feel

1431
01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:02.360
<v Speaker 3>like my favorite kind of cast where I come into

1432
01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:05.280
<v Speaker 3>something either negative or just indifferent, which is how I

1433
01:03:05.320 --> 01:03:07.960
<v Speaker 3>would describe myself on this one. And by the end

1434
01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:10.360
<v Speaker 3>of it, I like it a lot more. I appreciate

1435
01:03:10.400 --> 01:03:13.280
<v Speaker 3>it a lot more, and I want to watch it again.

1436
01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:17.119
<v Speaker 3>And so I'm gonna go I'm gonna go with what

1437
01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:18.880
<v Speaker 3>I did for like four or five years there. I'm

1438
01:03:18.880 --> 01:03:20.840
<v Speaker 3>not going to give this a rating. Because I feel

1439
01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:22.639
<v Speaker 3>like I need to see it again. I would feel

1440
01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:26.079
<v Speaker 3>right giving it a number right here and now. I

1441
01:03:26.079 --> 01:03:29.039
<v Speaker 3>don't think i'll rewatch it soon, so you'll have to

1442
01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:30.719
<v Speaker 3>wait for that. But maybe the next couple of years,

1443
01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:32.760
<v Speaker 3>I'll rewatch it and then I'll drop a rating on

1444
01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:35.000
<v Speaker 3>a newscast. But yeah, I'm really glad we had the

1445
01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:37.840
<v Speaker 3>discussion because I have a much greater appreciation for it

1446
01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:40.400
<v Speaker 3>now than I did yesterday evening.

1447
01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:43.400
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I'm not telling you what to do, but

1448
01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:45.920
<v Speaker 1>you could wait because my hope is at some point

1449
01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:49.280
<v Speaker 1>when I were doing these retro Golden Geeks for Geek

1450
01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:51.360
<v Speaker 1>first Day and stuff. As I said last year, the

1451
01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:53.559
<v Speaker 1>year I won is twenty fifteen, because that's the one

1452
01:03:53.639 --> 01:03:56.119
<v Speaker 1>year that we don't have for Geeek fir Us. When

1453
01:03:56.119 --> 01:03:58.440
<v Speaker 1>we started, we didn't do gold Geek, So i'd say

1454
01:03:58.440 --> 01:03:59.760
<v Speaker 1>getting hold off to that because I think at some

1455
01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:01.880
<v Speaker 1>point it will do twenty fifteen, and I would love

1456
01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:04.079
<v Speaker 1>to see even if that main top. I feel like

1457
01:04:04.119 --> 01:04:06.239
<v Speaker 1>there's some acting that would make it. But this I

1458
01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:08.440
<v Speaker 1>feel I feel like we're gonna revisit it in our

1459
01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:11.440
<v Speaker 1>next our next decade at some point, so it might

1460
01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:15.400
<v Speaker 1>yeah to be continued like that, mister Field.

1461
01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:20.800
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'm probably gonna go a I go. I'm gonna

1462
01:04:20.840 --> 01:04:22.559
<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna degenerous. I'm gonna go an eight out of ten.

1463
01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:27.159
<v Speaker 5>I feel like it's just scared. The goats scare me

1464
01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:31.239
<v Speaker 5>so fucking bad. General, it's just the the scenes where

1465
01:04:31.280 --> 01:04:34.840
<v Speaker 5>you do see just it's they could have done so

1466
01:04:34.960 --> 01:04:37.719
<v Speaker 5>much more with the Witch. They could have just presented

1467
01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:41.239
<v Speaker 5>her as just this like full frontal terrifying like entity

1468
01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:41.719
<v Speaker 5>or demon.

1469
01:04:41.800 --> 01:04:43.039
<v Speaker 4>But it's full frontal.

1470
01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:47.360
<v Speaker 5>You want something, Chara, I say full frontal specifically because

1471
01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:49.400
<v Speaker 5>you only got one scene of like the Witch may

1472
01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:51.400
<v Speaker 5>be cocking her head to the side after she's drinking

1473
01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:54.639
<v Speaker 5>her coat, but for the most part, every other scene

1474
01:04:54.639 --> 01:04:57.440
<v Speaker 5>of just this old, haggard, jaggered witch is just her

1475
01:04:57.519 --> 01:04:59.840
<v Speaker 5>from her like her back and her long hair, and

1476
01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:02.800
<v Speaker 5>she's just like she's up to some crazy shit, like

1477
01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:06.559
<v Speaker 5>doing something, and it's just it's eerie. It's suspenseful, it's tense,

1478
01:05:06.639 --> 01:05:10.800
<v Speaker 5>and it's just has this sense of known, unknown mystery

1479
01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:13.079
<v Speaker 5>to it. It's just it's eerie. And so I really

1480
01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:15.480
<v Speaker 5>like how they did that. They didn't they leave it

1481
01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:17.800
<v Speaker 5>up to your kind of imagination, because I've said this

1482
01:05:17.840 --> 01:05:20.480
<v Speaker 5>before once you kind of paint like a like a

1483
01:05:20.519 --> 01:05:22.920
<v Speaker 5>picture of what this thing is that you're dealing with,

1484
01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:25.760
<v Speaker 5>and you can kind of it takes away that fear,

1485
01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:27.440
<v Speaker 5>but if you leave it up to your own imagination,

1486
01:05:27.519 --> 01:05:29.840
<v Speaker 5>it kind of keeps that more scared fear factor in

1487
01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:31.599
<v Speaker 5>your mind. And so I think that's what this witch

1488
01:05:31.719 --> 01:05:33.960
<v Speaker 5>definitely does a good job of doing, keeping that kind

1489
01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:36.519
<v Speaker 5>of element in your in your mind.

1490
01:05:36.599 --> 01:05:39.880
<v Speaker 4>So I like that a lot. And yeah, just the fact.

1491
01:05:39.679 --> 01:05:41.920
<v Speaker 5>That they were kicked out of their village for having

1492
01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:47.360
<v Speaker 5>different religious beliefs and they they had this whole setup

1493
01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:51.079
<v Speaker 5>and you know, things or could have been okay, but yeah,

1494
01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:53.039
<v Speaker 5>they just handled it very very poorly.

1495
01:05:53.199 --> 01:05:53.760
<v Speaker 4>Holy shit.

1496
01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:57.840
<v Speaker 5>And is that why I believe it was because they

1497
01:05:58.079 --> 01:06:01.719
<v Speaker 5>know they had different beliefs on I think that I

1498
01:06:01.719 --> 01:06:05.280
<v Speaker 5>think it was like the New Testament something religious.

1499
01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:07.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's something like that because they all they also

1500
01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:10.719
<v Speaker 1>just like refer to like if the baby is gonna

1501
01:06:10.719 --> 01:06:13.239
<v Speaker 1>go to Hell because it's like, I don't know, because

1502
01:06:13.239 --> 01:06:15.639
<v Speaker 1>they're not born, it's not born out of wedlock. But

1503
01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:17.920
<v Speaker 1>she makes some sort of comment about like is the

1504
01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:21.079
<v Speaker 1>baby in hell? Like almost insinuating because they say.

1505
01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:21.880
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't baptized.

1506
01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:24.559
<v Speaker 1>I thought, right, that's what it was. Right. So that's

1507
01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:27.199
<v Speaker 1>the situation where because you could go and say, oh,

1508
01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:29.239
<v Speaker 1>if he was baptized, maybe knowing this would have happened,

1509
01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm saying, like, they're probably playing in their head.

1510
01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:33.960
<v Speaker 1>So that's where there's another thing where I feel like

1511
01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:37.599
<v Speaker 1>they read into they're being punished for they're just back

1512
01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:40.400
<v Speaker 1>away from certain religious aspects, right, And it's like, uh,

1513
01:06:40.639 --> 01:06:43.119
<v Speaker 1>you probably because even then, like when the dad makes

1514
01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:46.199
<v Speaker 1>that prayer, he says like take me and the mom,

1515
01:06:46.239 --> 01:06:48.079
<v Speaker 1>but at least just like save the kids. So like

1516
01:06:48.679 --> 01:06:50.599
<v Speaker 1>there's part of him that probably thinks that because they

1517
01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:53.519
<v Speaker 1>win against the oh Holy, this is being brought down

1518
01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:54.320
<v Speaker 1>upon them. Right.

1519
01:06:54.400 --> 01:06:57.960
<v Speaker 6>So it just seems like throughout there they're all very religious,

1520
01:06:58.000 --> 01:07:00.559
<v Speaker 6>like like they're all praying like before or they eat

1521
01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:03.519
<v Speaker 6>and like doing all those things that in my mind

1522
01:07:03.519 --> 01:07:05.400
<v Speaker 6>seems like religious people. So I was just a little

1523
01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:07.719
<v Speaker 6>bit confused because I feel like maybe I wasn't as

1524
01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:10.719
<v Speaker 6>intently focusing when they were having like the council and

1525
01:07:10.760 --> 01:07:13.599
<v Speaker 6>then when he was just getting sent out, and remember

1526
01:07:13.639 --> 01:07:15.480
<v Speaker 6>the dad kind of shit talking.

1527
01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:17.559
<v Speaker 2>Them like you guys, you guys suck. What do we

1528
01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:18.079
<v Speaker 2>want to be here.

1529
01:07:18.119 --> 01:07:21.760
<v Speaker 6>We'll go big paraphrase there, but yeah, it's definitely not my.

1530
01:07:22.599 --> 01:07:27.800
<v Speaker 1>Robert fucking suck get the ship right out of here,

1531
01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:33.760
<v Speaker 1>just making Fineapple Express over here, Robert Eggers, Kirkling, what

1532
01:07:33.880 --> 01:07:34.599
<v Speaker 1>you drop in here?

1533
01:07:35.559 --> 01:07:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Are you done?

1534
01:07:35.960 --> 01:07:36.199
<v Speaker 3>Taylor?

1535
01:07:36.239 --> 01:07:38.079
<v Speaker 2>I kind of jumped in, Yeah, go for it.

1536
01:07:39.199 --> 01:07:39.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1537
01:07:39.400 --> 01:07:42.679
<v Speaker 6>This one's tricky because I don't really think there's much

1538
01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:46.199
<v Speaker 6>wrong with this film, like other than just some grotesque scenes,

1539
01:07:46.239 --> 01:07:49.039
<v Speaker 6>but I think they add to the overall you know

1540
01:07:49.119 --> 01:07:51.480
<v Speaker 6>what they're going for with the which folk tale aspect

1541
01:07:51.559 --> 01:07:55.559
<v Speaker 6>to it. I guess maybe something that I would improve

1542
01:07:55.639 --> 01:07:58.519
<v Speaker 6>on if I had to coach Robert Eggers on how

1543
01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:04.400
<v Speaker 6>to be a better director.

1544
01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:03.960
<v Speaker 1>That one movie. And he's like, you know what, Robert,

1545
01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:06.000
<v Speaker 1>you know we didn't. You didn't we didn't have a

1546
01:08:06.039 --> 01:08:08.480
<v Speaker 1>scene where someone was pinned down and they they reach

1547
01:08:08.559 --> 01:08:09.800
<v Speaker 1>for something. You know.

1548
01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:12.719
<v Speaker 6>I think it's more so just maybe like have more

1549
01:08:12.840 --> 01:08:17.279
<v Speaker 6>ambiguity on like if it is not actually more yeah,

1550
01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:19.600
<v Speaker 6>because I think the end makes it pretty clear of

1551
01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:22.239
<v Speaker 6>like okay, they're actually as witches, and but like I

1552
01:08:22.279 --> 01:08:25.920
<v Speaker 6>also maybe those scenes taken out, so I don't know,

1553
01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:26.840
<v Speaker 6>maybe I wouldn't give that.

1554
01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Again, don't you think she could just come across a

1555
01:08:28.960 --> 01:08:31.600
<v Speaker 1>group of naked women. She's hallucinating. Even at the end,

1556
01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:35.439
<v Speaker 1>I guess, So, I guess my last factory had her five.

1557
01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:37.079
<v Speaker 3>Minutes away from their house that they've been living in.

1558
01:08:37.479 --> 01:08:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Well it's empty now. Even at the end though, if

1559
01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:41.399
<v Speaker 1>you go back and watch it, the last show of

1560
01:08:41.479 --> 01:08:44.039
<v Speaker 1>the movie is her floating up. There's no one buyer

1561
01:08:44.520 --> 01:08:45.119
<v Speaker 1>to her alone.

1562
01:08:46.039 --> 01:08:47.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, they flew ahead of her, that's why.

1563
01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, sure, yeah you could say that, but like I'm

1564
01:08:50.039 --> 01:08:51.960
<v Speaker 1>just saying, like the final show of the movie is

1565
01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:55.439
<v Speaker 1>Aya entrees behind her. It's not they could easily put

1566
01:08:55.479 --> 01:08:58.399
<v Speaker 1>more witches by side. Even just seeing little hands, it's

1567
01:08:58.479 --> 01:09:00.479
<v Speaker 1>just Onya. So that's where it's like anna thing for me.

1568
01:09:00.520 --> 01:09:02.960
<v Speaker 1>It's like it's still left up like either she it's

1569
01:09:02.960 --> 01:09:04.920
<v Speaker 1>all on her fucking mind or whatever the case is.

1570
01:09:05.920 --> 01:09:08.039
<v Speaker 1>She could just be like seeing like, oh yeah there's

1571
01:09:08.079 --> 01:09:10.560
<v Speaker 1>other witches there, that's my coven. But it's like, why

1572
01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:12.439
<v Speaker 1>aren't they be signing her again? Why didn't she talk

1573
01:09:12.520 --> 01:09:15.239
<v Speaker 1>to or see that witch has been hunting her family again?

1574
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:17.439
<v Speaker 1>So I'm surprised you need more AMBI bigody.

1575
01:09:17.560 --> 01:09:19.680
<v Speaker 6>I think I think it's more so like Okay, when's

1576
01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:21.920
<v Speaker 6>Black Philips speaking to her and like you see the

1577
01:09:21.960 --> 01:09:25.000
<v Speaker 6>devil grab her shoulder, It's like it's not really up

1578
01:09:25.039 --> 01:09:26.640
<v Speaker 6>for antiguity there. But I guess you can make the

1579
01:09:26.680 --> 01:09:29.760
<v Speaker 6>counter argument that it is just more corn affecting her brain, right,

1580
01:09:29.800 --> 01:09:34.560
<v Speaker 6>more moldy corn. So everybody fair counter argument there.

1581
01:09:34.600 --> 01:09:36.760
<v Speaker 2>But I still think this is top top.

1582
01:09:36.640 --> 01:09:39.760
<v Speaker 6>Quality film, especially like if I ever have to recommend

1583
01:09:39.800 --> 01:09:42.000
<v Speaker 6>a Witch movie to someone, I'd recommend this if.

1584
01:09:42.119 --> 01:09:43.479
<v Speaker 2>They want a true Witch experience.

1585
01:09:43.520 --> 01:09:46.840
<v Speaker 6>No Halloween Town bullshit, No Wizards of Waving Your Place

1586
01:09:47.039 --> 01:09:49.319
<v Speaker 6>or Harry Potter five year olds.

1587
01:09:49.319 --> 01:09:51.560
<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna watch hooks. Focus. No, we're watching the Witch.

1588
01:09:51.560 --> 01:09:55.000
<v Speaker 6>We're watching the Witch, and everyone's focusing on pausing, if

1589
01:09:55.039 --> 01:09:57.199
<v Speaker 6>your eyes, taking phones, nothing.

1590
01:09:58.520 --> 01:09:58.560
<v Speaker 1>No.

1591
01:09:58.720 --> 01:10:01.560
<v Speaker 6>I I think like I want to give it a

1592
01:10:01.560 --> 01:10:04.239
<v Speaker 6>perfect score because I just don't see much wrong with it.

1593
01:10:04.319 --> 01:10:07.279
<v Speaker 6>I think I think I'm gonna have to ten ten

1594
01:10:07.399 --> 01:10:10.000
<v Speaker 6>for this movie. Yeah, which is crazy for where I

1595
01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:12.279
<v Speaker 6>was the first viewing of never wanting to see this again.

1596
01:10:12.359 --> 01:10:16.279
<v Speaker 6>So thank you God Loves the sixty nine for pitching

1597
01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:16.720
<v Speaker 6>this one.

1598
01:10:17.119 --> 01:10:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all voted, I am with you there where I

1599
01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:22.279
<v Speaker 1>think it's like I don't want to say, like an

1600
01:10:22.319 --> 01:10:24.079
<v Speaker 1>me in the middle, because I feel like my enjoyment

1601
01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:25.960
<v Speaker 1>level is like a nine, because I said, like, this

1602
01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:28.000
<v Speaker 1>is not a movie I'll put on all time. I

1603
01:10:28.039 --> 01:10:29.439
<v Speaker 1>need to be in the right mood. I'll take a

1604
01:10:29.439 --> 01:10:32.560
<v Speaker 1>break here. But like on a craftsmanship, it's like a ten.

1605
01:10:32.640 --> 01:10:34.159
<v Speaker 1>So like you should go, oh, well that's the nine

1606
01:10:34.159 --> 01:10:37.079
<v Speaker 1>point five. But for this one, I'm giving you both scores.

1607
01:10:37.079 --> 01:10:39.600
<v Speaker 1>I usually like to com buying them. No, my enjoyments

1608
01:10:39.680 --> 01:10:42.720
<v Speaker 1>the nine, my as just as the film's like yeah,

1609
01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:44.960
<v Speaker 1>I and again now that I have this is the

1610
01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:47.760
<v Speaker 1>third time I've watched it, and each time it's like, man,

1611
01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:49.479
<v Speaker 1>this gets better and better. And that's the good thing

1612
01:10:49.479 --> 01:10:52.279
<v Speaker 1>about stuff like this or Hereditary, like some of these

1613
01:10:52.319 --> 01:10:55.119
<v Speaker 1>deeper horror films that it takes and that's why, like

1614
01:10:55.159 --> 01:10:57.039
<v Speaker 1>I fucking love the Shining, you know, like it's these

1615
01:10:57.279 --> 01:10:59.439
<v Speaker 1>these films that just fester with you, but each time

1616
01:10:59.439 --> 01:11:03.039
<v Speaker 1>you watch them, it gets stronger and stronger, just stays consistent.

1617
01:11:03.079 --> 01:11:06.359
<v Speaker 1>And that's what's been very good that stuff like even Hereditary,

1618
01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:08.159
<v Speaker 1>when I watch the first time, I don't love as much.

1619
01:11:08.159 --> 01:11:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Everybody And now, okay, that's close to a ten, or

1620
01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:12.640
<v Speaker 1>is a ten and that's where this is. And uh,

1621
01:11:12.760 --> 01:11:14.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure I'll be on the fourth watch because

1622
01:11:14.359 --> 01:11:15.920
<v Speaker 1>now I feel like we've talked about a few more

1623
01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:18.199
<v Speaker 1>things I didn't even think about, or just different perspectives,

1624
01:11:18.199 --> 01:11:21.600
<v Speaker 1>and those are the best type of films. That's that's

1625
01:11:21.640 --> 01:11:24.520
<v Speaker 1>something and Agres does a good job of that. Maybe

1626
01:11:24.520 --> 01:11:26.079
<v Speaker 1>they don't always hit as much because like I think

1627
01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:28.119
<v Speaker 1>Lighthouse doesn't have as much as that, but you are

1628
01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:31.239
<v Speaker 1>lighthouses like that too. Northman's not really Northman's a very

1629
01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:35.119
<v Speaker 1>clean cut revenge tale, right, so, and I'm very curious

1630
01:11:35.119 --> 01:11:36.720
<v Speaker 1>what Nosaratu is gonna be like because I feel like

1631
01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:39.239
<v Speaker 1>that's gonna be a very clean cut, like there's a

1632
01:11:39.319 --> 01:11:43.479
<v Speaker 1>vampire fucking yeah, like there is, but I wonder I

1633
01:11:43.520 --> 01:11:46.119
<v Speaker 1>feel like he's just gonna like this vampire is fucking

1634
01:11:46.119 --> 01:11:48.840
<v Speaker 1>this town up and here we go. But you never know, right.

1635
01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:51.159
<v Speaker 6>So watching this, I'm like, Oh, there's gonna be some

1636
01:11:51.199 --> 01:11:53.520
<v Speaker 6>disgusting scenes in os Feradu guarantee.

1637
01:11:53.560 --> 01:11:57.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh absolutely absolutely. I'm very talk about that curl and

1638
01:11:57.319 --> 01:11:59.720
<v Speaker 1>the nipple. I'm very worried about crol on the other

1639
01:11:59.800 --> 01:12:03.399
<v Speaker 1>nip we have Bill Scars guards not for a tu

1640
01:12:03.479 --> 01:12:07.520
<v Speaker 1>on a nippo because like a nippo Because when that

1641
01:12:07.600 --> 01:12:10.119
<v Speaker 1>last trailer and she's talking about like you can't fuck

1642
01:12:10.199 --> 01:12:12.039
<v Speaker 1>me like him, I'm like, what like that means we're

1643
01:12:12.039 --> 01:12:13.920
<v Speaker 1>getting as for aw to sex sy and it's gonna

1644
01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:17.199
<v Speaker 1>be fucking something. I'm telling you it's it's not gonna

1645
01:12:17.239 --> 01:12:19.680
<v Speaker 1>be good, but it's gonna be good. But uh yeah

1646
01:12:19.800 --> 01:12:22.439
<v Speaker 1>we will. As we've said before, if you're listening there,

1647
01:12:22.600 --> 01:12:24.720
<v Speaker 1>there will not be a no for aught to review

1648
01:12:24.800 --> 01:12:27.560
<v Speaker 1>right away because that is on Christmas, but whether it's

1649
01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:32.199
<v Speaker 1>golden because I guess it's technically in uh twenty twenty four,

1650
01:12:32.239 --> 01:12:33.880
<v Speaker 1>so we'll probably tell them for gold geeks, so yeah,

1651
01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:36.399
<v Speaker 1>look out for it then. But yes, thank you everybody

1652
01:12:36.520 --> 01:12:39.079
<v Speaker 1>voted and God loves me six Steine for giving this

1653
01:12:39.319 --> 01:12:41.720
<v Speaker 1>to us to talk about. Hope everyone has a happy

1654
01:12:41.800 --> 01:12:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Halloween and this enjoyed this, And yeah, if you haven't

1655
01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:47.159
<v Speaker 1>watched this, I guess we spoil everything, so you shouldn't

1656
01:12:47.159 --> 01:12:49.520
<v Speaker 1>have done that. But until then it won't be boring.

1657
01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:50.279
<v Speaker 1>Y
