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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentleman, and welcome to your annual Halloween retrospective.

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I'm the clown Prince of Goats Travis Stale. I'm joined by.

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Speaker 2: I am the Sinner trekn Patzer.

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Speaker 3: I'm the Crow del Mus.

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Speaker 4: The Silver Cup Taylor Field.

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Speaker 1: Yes, ladies, gentlemen, as you just heard lots of names

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going around. This is the annual one we have done this. This

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is the third year we've done this. Maybe we did

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in the past, but it was just maybe one offer

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getting ready for another Hallowe retro But now we do

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this every year. We have done Oh god, what was

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the I think it was the Thin Man or not

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the thin Man? What is that? The empty Man? Right?

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That we did and then we did Yeah, we did

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it follows and now we're doing the Witch, which you know,

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I appreciate somewhat because it's timely, as like Robert Agers

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has a movie coming out, So thanks for patrons for

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making sure we got timely content out there, because he

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does have the nos Fat too coming up. But you

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can look on the feeds. We have reviewed Northmen, we

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have reviewed Lighthouse, so this kind of is perfect because

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we've not we've talked about the Witch tons of times

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I feel like on this podcast and even talking about Aras,

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but we've never actually reviewed The Witch. So it's kind

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of a good way to like close off that filmography.

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So we've done that. But yeah, thank you to all

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the patrons. You guys gave out lots of votes and

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everything like that. I will I forgot to shout out

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who gave it. I'll go find out who actually put

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the suggestion in. But yeah, we'll do the same probably,

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you know Christmas we do last year. You know, when

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we get to the springtime, we'll do a video game one.

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We do any ones all the time, so look out

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for those. And if you like retrospectives currently and for

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the until like July August, we're gonna be having the

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Superman and Fantastic four retrospectives are exclusive to Patron and

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the other retrospectives as I'm gonna start promoting this to

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put feet to their fire. Daredevil seasons one to three

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will be dropping in December, January, and February, so there

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you go, So look out for those. So a lot

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of guarantee, Big GV guarantee you there, Yeah, or they

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lose five er sense of their share. But this is

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here for Halloween times. So, mister Muss, have you seen

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this movie before? If you have, what did you think

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about it then? And then what do you think about now?

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In October twenty second, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, I've not seen this movie before. I definitely

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seen it when I'm scrolling through Netflix and things like that.

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Never got around to it. And then yeah, watched Lighthouse,

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and you know, I enjoyed Lighthouse at the time. It's

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like a great meme, very juicy meme movie, but like,

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I've never wanted to go back and watch it again.

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I don't know how well would hold up. And the

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north Man. You guys were very hot on, but I

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didn't really care for it too much. Was not my

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cup of tea. So I'm not too knowledgeable on this

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director of not done the deep bug on his older stuff.

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But this this is it really on IMDb?

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Speaker 4: I swear.

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Speaker 1: I think he's also a short film I think he

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has short films, but I don't think there's an actual

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film film. At least make.

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Speaker 3: Sure that I've seen every single one of his movies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, say You're in the darkcore fan.

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Speaker 3: I I did not enjoy this movie. There was very

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little for me to enjoy. I hate using this word,

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but I just found it very boring. I feel like

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it takes a long time to pick up, and then

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like its pick up is like the last like ten

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minutes the movie. There's some crazy stuff that happens, but

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even then, I kind of wanted more of certain things,

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the titular witch. I wanted like some more witch action

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going on. I don't know. I feel like there is

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there is some theme or message or something that this

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movie's portraying, and I didn't pick up on any of it.

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to hear what your guys is interpretations of some of

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the things going on are. But to me, it was

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just very dry, very slow, quite uninteresting. And you know,

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was doing that. So, yeah, this was this was kind

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of uninteresting. It was pretty short, I guess, but it

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felt like it dragged on because of how slow it is.

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But I don't see myself rewatching this one. But it

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was at and go back say his first future film.

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and she did like a TV show episode before this

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or something, so it's fun to go back and see that,

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but otherwise not not really much for me here, unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: Tayar Field, was there much for you on a first

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watch where we were like, damn, was this your first

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time watching it?

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Speaker 5: This is my second time watching it. I remember watching

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this movie when I was a few years back, younger,

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something kind of just scary and spooky, and I heard

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Speaker 4: Was just kind of like on edge of a movie.

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Speaker 5: So I remember giving it a watch, and this time

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did back then, where it's just like I kind of

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do enjoy just this descent into chaos and madness and

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how everything kind of crumble for this family.

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Speaker 4: But it's not like it's not.

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Speaker 5: Breaking records for being like one of my favorite movies

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or anything like that. And if I was going to

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pick a horror movie, i'd probably pick something else over

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this one. But I think that it's not It's neither

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is it gonna be like the last time I'd ever

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watched this movie in a couple of years. I could

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probably see myself like, yeah, you know what, maybe I

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want to pop it on and just have this tense

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experience where you're just seeing this family fall apart in

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this mysterious witch kind of scenario unravel because I feel

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like it's very psychological, and half the time you wonder like, Okay,

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is it really just this this witch doing shit or

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is it thomasin I feel like at the end you

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kind of get like a little bit more of a confirmation,

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but before you get to that, you really don't know,

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and it's just like everyone's pointing fingers and you're trying

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to figure out what's going on. And there are some

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very creepy elements to this, and I forgot a lot

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of the stuff in here, except for a couple things,

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Speaker 5: But I did not like that scene with the with

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the baby and ship.

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Speaker 4: I just when of that saw that happened, I was like, Fuck.

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Speaker 3: I don't like that. That's just man, that's just fucking brutal.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I'm hungry, I want to go make

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Speaker 4: Was that was That was brutal. That was gross.

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Speaker 5: Me watching it like dead like this morning, like five

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through to am watch the Witch. This is not a

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start day star to start to day like, that's.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, interesting, Yeah, I'll go next.

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Speaker 6: It was my second time viewing this film. I think

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and I had always heard about this movie. Maybe that

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always confused this film with it's either a Nicholas Cage

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or a Vin Diesel movie about a witch. I can't

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remember which one it is, but I always thought this

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was that film. So when I when I put it

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on back in the day, I'm I can't believe Robert

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this weird Vin Diesel or or like or Nicholas Cage, Like.

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Speaker 2: I I'll find it. It's called the Last Witch or

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something the Latin.

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Speaker 1: The last witch Hunter is ven Diesel Right, is.

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Speaker 2: There Nicholas Cage one about a witch?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, with that Ron Pearlman.

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Speaker 2: That was the one that I totally thought that movie.

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Speaker 4: Own that movie. It's fucking great.

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Speaker 1: I love Season of the Witch.

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Speaker 5: Season Witch fucking great movie.

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Speaker 6: Okay, So bouncing into this one, I'm like, yeah, it's weird.

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and right away I was proven that that was not

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the case. This is very much not a movie I

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elements of a being a period piece, like I think

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the first time I watched this, like it's just I

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should start by saying I did not like this movie.

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really despised it. I told myself I was never gonna

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watch it again. Like it just wasn't a fun watch.

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they said because I didn't have subtitles on, like when

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Speaker 1: First time round.

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Speaker 6: And it is hard to phenomenal actor like the perfect

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casting for this role.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I cannot understand a fucking word he said, and.

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Speaker 1: Our next collects get ready great voice.

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Speaker 3: So I'm excited for subtitles and.

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Speaker 1: It's like all of us in the theater, like, what

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the fuck's Galactus talking about.

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on what was even happening. I probably like faded in

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and out, like I was saying, like it was like

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a fever dream because I just watched it late at night,

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and like your point till like it it isn't a

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it isn't a long movie, but it felt really long

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like the first time I watched it, which is really

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interesting because this time around, I had subtitles. I was

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this movie. The second time around, it was really really

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interesting because I knew all the main beats that were

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going to be happening. But I think just now, maybe

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because I did like a glossary, you know, like skim

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of it the first time around, jumping into it now,

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like I'm kind of aware of what's going on, and

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I think just like the big moments hit a lot

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better for me. I appreciated the performance is so much

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more the just like the costume designs and everything. Like

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it's a pretty simple movie. It makes sense that this

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would be his first film because most of it is

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just kind of at their farm and like it's not

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that crazy of set pieces or anything like that. Like

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it it feels like a cheaper movie to make.

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Speaker 1: I think just fits in the set to go Yeah, yeah, goat.

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Speaker 2: And the and the goat.

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Speaker 6: You need you need the goat and some some fake

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blood for sure. But yeah, I think it's interesting because

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I do really love this movie, but it's not one

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I would revisit often. I will watch it again. It's

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not really like a go to Halloween movie.

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Speaker 2: I don't think.

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Speaker 6: It's more so like if I'm having a conversation with

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someone about like a witch movie, this would be the

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witch movie that I'd recommend of, like one that actually

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feels like a true folk tale?

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Speaker 2: Which movie where it?

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because of Halloween and like we just see witches with

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of Satan, and I think they do a good job

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at kind of like making you wonder if it is

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real or if it is just like they're so paranoid.

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think a lot of like belief in here that I

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really just was able to appreciate so much more on

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a second viewing of like seeing the family kind of

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fall apart and like, yeah, there is spoilers, there is

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a witch in this movie, But like I still feel

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like a lot of their problems I still think a

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lot of the problems could have been dealt or like

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handled better and not and with their whole family just

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getting slaughtered because.

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Speaker 2: Of the Witch. Like, I don't think the witch is

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the main factor in that.

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Speaker 1: She's the impetus. She's the hero of the story, the ampetus.

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What does that even mean the inciting incident?

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Speaker 6: Okay, yes, yes, true, But you can also make arguments

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that it's like the family's fault for that happening, right,

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like like so, I don't know, we'll get into it,

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and we get into it.

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Speaker 2: But I really really appreciate this movie. I feel like

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the two parents.

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Speaker 6: I love those actors as like character actors in like

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those type of roles. I believe they were both in

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The Green Knight and just like if they.

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Speaker 1: Are, he's a Green Knight and then she's.

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Speaker 3: The Uh right, I forgot she was in there too.

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Speaker 1: She's the Queen. Yeah, but he plays the actual Green Knights.

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Speaker 3: That's a fun connection.

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Speaker 6: I like that, like he's in any period of this

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period type movie, like they're just so good in it.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember if he's in Lighthouse. I don't feel

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like he is. I think he's the that's the only

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people on that yeah movie.

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Speaker 6: He's like the two other guys that they're replacing the

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Mermaid here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that, yeah, I think, but yeah,

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he's an as Vatu, so he's like his good luck

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charm or whatnot.

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Speaker 6: So I this is the type movie though that I

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one hundred percent understand if no one likes or if

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if they're people that are not liking this movie, because

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I definitely did.

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Speaker 2: Not like it at all first time around.

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Speaker 6: I think you have to be just good timing with

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when you're watching this, because yeah, if I if I

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was putting this on five three in the morning before work,

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like Taylor Field over here, that would not be a

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good viewing time for me. But yeah, I really really

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enjoy this one. Really fucked up it. Actually, I find

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I'm just thinking of this right now. I feel like

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the the witchiness affecting like the families in the Cities.

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It's a big like parallel to some of like the

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Empire stories and Total War Warhammer, so like I feel

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like a lot of like that comparison just bleeds over.

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So I'm like, oh, I just I just lovetal.

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Speaker 3: War, like Peaky Blinders, like take a shot.

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Speaker 4: That Robert plays a lot of Total War.

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of Robert Eggers.

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Speaker 6: I think I I think I have loved at one

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point all of his films, So yeah, I'm looking forward

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to Nosperado.

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Speaker 2: Not a big fan of Lighthouse anymore.

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Speaker 6: I thought I was the first time at one point

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you did exactly more viewings. I like it less, but

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I can still appreciate the quality of it, but just

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not a rewatchable film.

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Speaker 1: Taylor. I saw you trying to uh Webster Dictionary that

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word impetus first word a driving.

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Speaker 4: Force because I couldn't figure out its spelling.

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Speaker 1: I am p e t e u s a driving force,

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so like the witch is the force that drives them insanity,

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like it mad? You know, it's just like what is

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a story writing term? But uh yeah, So I had

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seen this the year came out, and I remember this

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is one of those classic movies that the build up

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was huge because it was and shout out to them,

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this is what made Robert Egger's queer because while we

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were talking about the costume and everything. I think we

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talked about this recently. But to bring up again, budget

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four million dollars, made forty million, so right away, that's okay,

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guaranteed hit, Like that's why he's done. I think so

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many where I think like I don't know what. I

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think we looked like Lighthouse made of profit, and I

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think Northmand kind of ate shit and I don't know

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what and noos Rotu's gonna eat shit again unfortunately, because

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like Christmas Vampire great, but this, like this built the

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Eggers House and the hype and everything, and to go

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into that is I remember this and that one of

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the scariest movies you'll ever see, best horror movie the

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decade yet to Oh yeah, it had that whole hype.

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So when I saw it the first time, I was like,

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oh man, I can't fucking wait for this. And I

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was much like you do, and I was like, this

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is fucking born. I don't care that much. And obviously

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there's no aunty hype train at this point I watched it.

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I was still living at home when I watched it,

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and my mom, who still has she does not have

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a soundbar terrible TV speaker, so trying to hear Ralph

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Innison on the TV was a struggle. And I did

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not have subtitles at that point, so it was not

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a good watch. And I remember being like, yeah, I

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am not a not a fan of this movie, but

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funny enough, just like I don't know why this fucking

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keeps happening. Shout out to God Loves Me sixty nine,

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who did recommend this movie. He was one that Yeah,

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I only showed out so much to. These sales have

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been on AFRIC nine since she abandoned my team at

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the trivia battle versus Dylan's team, So I still salty

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about that.

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Speaker 3: Glorious he owes me.

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Speaker 1: I'm all again, but somehow this keeps happening to me.

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Where I watched The Empty Man for the first time

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and then Clay recommends it that gets voted on it falls, Oh,

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I have a cravey and watch that, and then three

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months I watched that. I watched The Witch earlier again,

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like at the beginning of this year, and I think

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it was in the Nosforato hype because it's some image

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or something, and I was like, oh, yeah, I gotta

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go back to that one because I always want to

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give it a chance, because it's always like when you

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see twenty ten's Best of Horrors, the Witch is always

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on their top ten lists, like it's like very acclaimed,

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so it's like, I'm gonna get this chance. So of course, yeah,

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I watched this movie. I don't know, six seven months ago,

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and of course it went to a Hallingo pole, so

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I have to just not watch any horror movies until

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next year we do the Hollming Pole. Because I like,

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I did really enjoy my second watch. I don't know

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if I needed an immediate watch right away, but I

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am like Kirkling where I second watch, Like I don't know,

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saying loved is a weird thing because it's not even

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like Joker. I say, I love that movie and it's depressing,

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but I can go back and watch that like over

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and over. This movie, I definitely need to be in

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the right mood. It needs some time, but I definitely

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think it is like I I don't know if it's

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in my personal top ten, but I get the hype

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and watching a second time definitely made me go, Okay,

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I really enjoy this movie. And that's what even the

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third time. Now, there's just certain stuff, just there's about

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three things which you know, some people might not like.

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I like this type of thing where there's about three

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massive things in the story where it is your own

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choose your own adventure. And Rob Berger's said, like I'm

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not answering that, Like I'm not gonna tell you what is,

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what it's like, you can leave that for yourself. And

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I love that when it's done well. When a movie

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does that poorly, it's just okay, it feels lazy. It's

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just like, oh, you know, it's up to you. But

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with this, I feel like it really works. The acting

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all around is great. There's a few shots in here

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that are just you know, we were talking about a

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different cast. There's a shot in here on the Crow

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that's still burned in my mind even since I saw

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the first time, and I think, yeah, just this dread

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of the witches. And what I love is each character,

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maybe not the two kids, but other every other single

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character has a fear and whether it is the witch

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or the situation, that fear starts to build and build

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and fox them all at the end. And I love

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still even with Annie tayror Joy's character, there's people that

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like argue that she is a witch the whole time

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and she's just fucking with everybody, And you can watch

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the movie and see like, oh, she might actually just

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be evil and wanted to write her family and doesn't

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matter if she's crying here there there's all these little

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signs and yeah, I think this movie is outstandingly made.

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And like I said, I need a second watch because

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that first watch, I was like, this was I overhyped,

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Never gonna watch this again. And then probably because I

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liked Lighthouse and you know, in our sense, but then

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I love Northman. I was okay, I gotta go back,

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and I was glad I went back. And now I'm

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gonna take a break for a while. I was like,

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it falls again. I'm take a break. I don't need

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to see the Witch for a while. But even this time,

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I didn't feel like a awful watch. It's definitely really

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slow at times, but I think it does. You know,

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I'll be excited to watch it all fourth time because

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each each watch I've had, I enjoy it more. So. Yeah, no,

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I really do have this in high regard now. But

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ask me, literally, god, what fourteen is this? Twenty ten?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: Okay, twenty fifteen. Okay, I don't know where I read

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twenty ten. I'm going nuts, But yeah, ask me eleven,

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you know, nine years ago, not not some so wherever

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we want to go with h the Witch? The Witch?

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Speaker 3: I would love to ask you guys. Uh, I don't know.

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I guess just hearing you guys, describe why you like

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it is making me rethink like what I watched a

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little bit to some extent, like I'll go with this

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very obvious because Kirk, when you're talking about like you know,

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did were they kind of building up to this they

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like deserve this stuff for themselves or is it just

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the witch fucking with them? It's like the inciting incident.

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Like the first thing that really kicks it off is

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like the baby going missing, And now I'm thinking about

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that scene of like okay, well, yeah, Anya is the

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only one there when that happens. So is there a

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read on that scene that she just took and yeats

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the baby? Because like when I was watching it, I

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didn't take I didn't get that perspective at all that

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like that was a possibility because that would kind of

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just be like blatantly lying to the viewer. But it's

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like that when you guys are rewatching it and thinking

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about it and knowing everything is like not something that

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you're thinking about of like, oh, maybe she did something

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there because to me it seems like it's totally innocent.

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But once again, after watch, maybe I wouldn't have that.

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Speaker 6: It's interesting because like looking back on it, I feel

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like Anya wasn't a witch the whole time, like after my.

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Speaker 1: Agree of it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but like that that scene, like I can't really

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explain it because unless the witch, like the real witch,

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just slithered down of the grass or something of the

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baby like instantly, it is too quick, it is unless

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I was gonna say, unless she's like bewitched, like like

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she actually like she closed her eyes for a second

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and it's not actually been a second. I just think

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the way that the scenes played out, it doesn't make

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you think that, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, there's like magic in this world, right, like we

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presumably the witch is trans like is transform you know,

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what's the word I'm looking for into like the bunny rabbit,

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Like I assume that's the witch that's cruising around there.

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They're flying at the end. So once again, unless like

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the things we're seeing are just lies to the viewer,

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then it's like, well, there is magic, So it's not

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shocking that the witch would bill to snap their fingers

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and like teleport the baby away.

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Speaker 6: I feel like how I would headcanon that is is

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witch magic, like not Anya involved or maybe indirectly like

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she got bewitched. I think that would be the only

476
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,079
real reason to have that scene, because I think you

477
00:21:18,079 --> 00:21:20,640
could get to the end of this movie and make

478
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,119
the argument that it actually was eaten by a wolf

479
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,680
or something if you don't have the scene of the

480
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,480
naked witch making like the stew you know, right after that,

481
00:21:29,559 --> 00:21:31,240
like you just hear the noises and everything, all the

482
00:21:31,279 --> 00:21:34,839
gross sequences that Taylor listed earlier.

483
00:21:35,559 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 1: That's the tough thing because like what Dylan says is

484
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,400
true if like, okay, in a real let's say, no

485
00:21:39,519 --> 00:21:41,400
magic in a real world, there's no way to me,

486
00:21:41,559 --> 00:21:44,039
like a wolf a woman comes by and gets the baby, right,

487
00:21:44,039 --> 00:21:46,279
because you would hear that she doesn't look away that long,

488
00:21:46,319 --> 00:21:48,319
So that doesn't make sense. That's why it's like there

489
00:21:48,319 --> 00:21:50,559
has to be some sort of magical element. And that's

490
00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:52,400
where I go, Okay, it still even could be on

491
00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:54,839
you whether it is a bewitch, whether it is almost

492
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,440
like a wishing this baby away for some reason to

493
00:21:58,519 --> 00:22:01,599
like hurt the family, and that is impetus for this

494
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,119
thing driving force, because that's the thing like with witches,

495
00:22:04,519 --> 00:22:06,920
like it's always meaned about, right, but it's like, you know,

496
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,720
a woman would do something in that age and they'd

497
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,359
be like, that's a witch, like, you know, and they

498
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,440
would cast it upon them. And that's where it's like

499
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,200
even the they jump to and they talk about like

500
00:22:16,599 --> 00:22:18,960
a witch and you know, the dad's no, it's a wolf,

501
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,400
and you know, they give these explanations, but like that's

502
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,799
something like, I know, it's a huge stretch because you

503
00:22:24,839 --> 00:22:28,400
can't if you want to have Anya as a potential

504
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,000
witch character, you have to have her as like an

505
00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:33,279
unreliable narrator, so you can't tip that off. And then

506
00:22:33,319 --> 00:22:35,519
even the witch scene, to me, that's just like I

507
00:22:35,559 --> 00:22:37,559
think that is happening, but you could take that as

508
00:22:37,599 --> 00:22:40,000
like a thought that they're having that if it is

509
00:22:40,039 --> 00:22:41,960
like because they've thought they've talked about a witch and

510
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,960
they you know, hush that down. It's not that. Then

511
00:22:44,039 --> 00:22:47,480
the witch talk keeps continuing, continuing, and the twins bring

512
00:22:47,519 --> 00:22:49,480
it up and then Anya has that you know joke

513
00:22:49,559 --> 00:22:51,920
that does terribly for it later on because it gets

514
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,000
brought back later on. But that idea of the witch

515
00:22:55,079 --> 00:22:59,680
cooking that child, that's like the only real witchy thing.

516
00:22:59,839 --> 00:23:02,960
I guess they're it's tough because then you have the boy.

517
00:23:03,079 --> 00:23:05,599
Because my thing is like at the end, when the

518
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,599
witches are doing their cuve and they're all naked at

519
00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:10,640
the fire, right, Other than Anya floating, that doesn't they're

520
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,319
not doing anything magical. That's just like what people in

521
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,559
fucking cults would do, right, And you could just say

522
00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:17,319
that Anya's floating because it's in her mind. But that's

523
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,480
a tough thing. In this movie. There's things where like, Okay,

524
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,960
when the boy kisses the hot look and witch and

525
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,319
then she grabs them has like the old arm, that's

526
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,440
clearly like a magical thing, right, But or is he

527
00:23:27,519 --> 00:23:29,640
just going fucking nuts which people have talked about because

528
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,759
they're eating like tarnished food and that could just be

529
00:23:33,799 --> 00:23:34,759
fucking with them, you know.

530
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, food that comes from her woods where yeah, you

531
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,240
could do shit to it. Yeah yeah.

532
00:23:39,279 --> 00:23:41,839
Speaker 6: And I think that's what's interesting about this movie is

533
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,640
like eighty percent of it you could make the argument that, oh,

534
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,200
it is just like them allowing their fears. I think

535
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,480
to take it in that vein because how you just

536
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,799
listen to Travis, like you could have the baby go

537
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,720
missing and then that scene of like the witch thing happening,

538
00:23:57,759 --> 00:23:59,480
like that could just be their worst case scenario that

539
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,720
their magic, right, because this is this is the world

540
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,119
that they live in they believe that there's witches out

541
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,480
there if you're a sinner, like like the devil's gonna

542
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:06,960
get you and.

543
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,319
Speaker 1: All the scariest thing.

544
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 6: But because their belief is so strong like that that

545
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,759
like that's the reality because if you if you sin,

546
00:24:16,279 --> 00:24:17,920
you're gonna be going to hell. Like that's it's not

547
00:24:18,079 --> 00:24:20,319
just that is a cause, like that's a possible thing

548
00:24:20,319 --> 00:24:20,839
that could happen.

549
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,559
Speaker 2: That is their belief. So therefore that is the way

550
00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:24,039
that the world works in their mind.

551
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 6: So I think it is interesting actually making that point

552
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,319
that it could just be them imagining that worst case

553
00:24:30,319 --> 00:24:33,240
scenario or later on when they are picturing some witchy

554
00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:36,400
things going on, that's that's them picturing that happening.

555
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 2: I don't think that is the case.

556
00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 6: I think it especially at the end, like when Anya

557
00:24:40,759 --> 00:24:45,160
is talking to Billy what's the name Black Billy or

558
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,880
something like that, the black phill up.

559
00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:48,839
Speaker 2: There you go, the Billy goat.

560
00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:53,519
Speaker 6: But like like at that point, it's just like, Okay,

561
00:24:53,519 --> 00:24:55,359
you know this is we are living in the world

562
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,599
of witches, Insanan and all these things, and that's.

563
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 1: Or she is and that's like they the food. I

564
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,960
haven't the trivia Robert eggers specifically use it because that

565
00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:07,640
was what was reported back in that era that when

566
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,119
not which stuff, just when people would eat that food,

567
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,839
they would start to hallucinate if it was like gone

568
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,440
bad crops. That's the thing of right, because even then

569
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,960
like the Dad food and stuff. Yeah, like even Black

570
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,720
Philip killing the Dad, I know, people, oh well that's

571
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,559
the devils, Like that could just be a fucking goat

572
00:25:21,599 --> 00:25:25,480
being like rabid. Right, It's not like he's talking. We

573
00:25:25,519 --> 00:25:27,240
don't see the goat talk to any of our non

574
00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:28,160
witchy characters.

575
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 3: I'm sure thousands of people in medieval times died to

576
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,400
a random animal hitting them in a way. And then

577
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,519
you know, especially if you're isolated like this and don't

578
00:25:35,559 --> 00:25:39,000
have a doctor or anyone nearby. But yeah, like I like,

579
00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:41,839
for me, it seemed pretty simple. And that's why this

580
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,680
is already interesting to hear you guys perspective, because to

581
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,119
me it seemed like kind of a self fulfilling prophecy

582
00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:50,480
sort of thing of like any sort of Chosen One storyline,

583
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,000
It's kind of like that where it's like sometimes a

584
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,839
Chosen One character just has magical powers and plot armor

585
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,400
and everything works for them. It's like, oh, yeah, they're

586
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,519
the chosen One, it makes sense. But other times a

587
00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:02,640
chosen One story is like, Okay, well, the character who

588
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,039
were calling the chosen one just went through all the

589
00:26:05,079 --> 00:26:08,559
hard work and steps to become like all the things

590
00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:10,599
that makes that chosen One character, and so they kind

591
00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:12,000
of become it in that way. And I just feel

592
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,519
like that's kind of what was happening with Anya here,

593
00:26:14,599 --> 00:26:17,200
where if her whole family is telling her over and

594
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,680
over again, you're a witch. They're locking her up, they're

595
00:26:19,759 --> 00:26:22,000
kicking her out of the house, they're doing all this stuff,

596
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,759
then like, yeah, she will start to believe it at

597
00:26:24,759 --> 00:26:27,279
the end, and then that's when she'll just when everything

598
00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:30,400
goes completely insane, then that she'll just retreat to the

599
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,160
woods and kind of become a witch. But like, I

600
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,359
don't think that she was the whole time, at least

601
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,200
that's my read after the first watch, and it seems

602
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,720
like that's what you guys think as well after watching

603
00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:41,440
it and thinking on it a bit more. Is that

604
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,319
that wasn't that she was always the witch, even though

605
00:26:43,319 --> 00:26:46,119
if you there's that possible read, but she became it

606
00:26:46,319 --> 00:26:48,720
just because everyone's around her is telling her that and

607
00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:49,759
making her believe it in a.

608
00:26:49,759 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: Way, and she's got nothing left right, her whole family's

609
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,680
fucking dead. They turned against her, so like, yeah, I

610
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,279
definitely read it as like it's like a even if

611
00:26:57,279 --> 00:26:59,400
the witches were just fucking with their family the way,

612
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,160
I stas like they're indoctrinating her to become a witch

613
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,519
in a way where because it just feels so like

614
00:27:06,599 --> 00:27:08,799
sure they take the baby, but like the coven's not

615
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,839
that far from her. It just almost feels like it

616
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,119
is like, yeah, a destiny chose one in a situation,

617
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,319
but it's just even then they could see something in

618
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,200
her that, oh, you know, she has X Y whatever

619
00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:21,359
witches look for in that era, like oh, this girl

620
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,400
has it right, And if she does become a witch,

621
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,640
she's like already floating at the end, right, So you

622
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,039
would take like, Okay, she like maybe it was her

623
00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:31,119
destiny to not be with this family and everything. But

624
00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:34,079
I do like having the like I said, there's logical leaps,

625
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,240
so you could have it that okaypore just going crazy

626
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,480
if she is a witch the whole time. That to

627
00:27:38,519 --> 00:27:40,519
me is like there's part of me that would like

628
00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:42,680
that because that's just like super fucked up. If like

629
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,160
from the beginning, she's like, you know what, I hate

630
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,759
my family, and because like they before things go bad,

631
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:49,200
they set the seeds of even her mother and her

632
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:52,680
not being close, right Like, you can tell that they

633
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,160
don't have a close relationship. She on purpose, which I

634
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,799
have this specifically my family and older generation favors the

635
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,039
men clearly, right like, she talks about her son in

636
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,960
such a big, like glowing light. But there's nothing ever

637
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:08,079
said to like about any tear Joy's character. Now, obviously

638
00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:11,240
the baby goes away, so there's some there's some distance

639
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,079
put between the two. But you get the sense right

640
00:28:13,079 --> 00:28:16,519
away that these two aren't the closest of characters. So

641
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,720
and that's where it is, like all these like I said,

642
00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:22,279
you don't really have the twins fear, Like I guess

643
00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:24,200
their fear is just like which is black fills. But

644
00:28:24,279 --> 00:28:27,200
like the dad's trying to protect his family and he's

645
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,000
being overprotective. The mom you can kind of see that

646
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:34,839
her like hate for her daughter drives her to madness.

647
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,279
The son's kind of shoots him in the foot, you know,

648
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,039
a man with.

649
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:43,599
Speaker 6: The mom though, like we don't really see, we don't

650
00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:47,680
really interact with her and Anya together like post crisis

651
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,680
of her losing Samuel, right like the child.

652
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,079
Speaker 1: She hates her, that's it though, She's just like I

653
00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:53,359
think she's just disowned her daughter.

654
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,359
Speaker 6: Now, No because of that though, That's what I mean,

655
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,640
Like the whole movie, we're like we're dealing with the

656
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,920
mother after this crisis that in her let's just say,

657
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,880
for sake of argument, she completely blames Anya for that

658
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:09,160
or Thomasin for that event. So I think it's just

659
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,680
it almost makes sense on like why she would have

660
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,400
that hatred towards her. Like I'm not saying it's right

661
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,279
for her to think that, but like for the sake

662
00:29:16,319 --> 00:29:19,039
of the movie, at least the dynamic between her and Thomasin,

663
00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:23,160
it's like those two would make sense why they would

664
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,599
be at all. It Mostly, I guess for the mother's

665
00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:28,119
perspective towards Thomasin, Thomasin is just the victim in the case.

666
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,759
And I don't know, I like the idea of making

667
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,119
just for sake of conversation of is Thomasin a witch

668
00:29:35,119 --> 00:29:35,680
the whole time?

669
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:36,759
Speaker 2: And like you don't really know.

670
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,119
Speaker 6: I think it's like probably eighty percent that she isn't

671
00:29:39,119 --> 00:29:40,440
like she is just kind of a victim of the

672
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,039
situation at hand, mostly because when we have the camera

673
00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:47,000
on her, even if she's by herself, like she still

674
00:29:47,079 --> 00:29:50,519
looks pretty down and out and sad and like everything

675
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:52,680
is not going right for my family, and I still

676
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,119
feel like she is making like maybe certain attempts to

677
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,319
bring the family together, like when she is really scared,

678
00:30:01,759 --> 00:30:03,720
like kind of after when the twins are like really

679
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,559
accusing her of being a witch and like starting to

680
00:30:05,559 --> 00:30:07,319
point the finger at her, It's like, like, I was

681
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:08,880
just joking at that point.

682
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,039
Speaker 2: Obviously It's it's.

683
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,799
Speaker 6: Bad at that point because now the parents are starting

684
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:15,119
to like be's pretty sus the mother was kind of

685
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,079
already in that camp. But I just think from I

686
00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:23,039
don't know, like like if she was conniving maybe off screen,

687
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,799
then it would have been like, oh, she was a

688
00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:28,200
witch the whole time. And I think they do somewhat

689
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,640
of a decent job at making us think that she

690
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,799
could be the witch because of something like when when

691
00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:38,599
the old witch drinks all the goats and the dad

692
00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:40,720
comes out for a morning piss and he just sees

693
00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:43,920
his goats completely empty, and then Thomasin's just like lying

694
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,680
there like at the scene of the crime, Like that's

695
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,599
pretty fucking sus and that you know, they do the

696
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,880
comparison a couple other times that she's just kind of

697
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,480
always at the scene of the crime, Like.

698
00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

699
00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:03,039
Speaker 6: But I just think because of those, because maybe because

700
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:05,640
of a lack of scenes where she looks us, it

701
00:31:05,759 --> 00:31:08,240
just makes me think that's like pretty eighty percent confirmed

702
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,839
that she is just innocent in it. But I don't know,

703
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:12,680
it was kind of crossing over on points there. You

704
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:14,759
just can kind of touch upon anything.

705
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,799
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean one thing too that I was a

706
00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:21,079
little couldn't quite figure out is like every one of

707
00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:24,960
the family members has some thing about them that that

708
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:26,680
I guess you could call them like a bad person

709
00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:29,039
or a shitty person, or like they deserve this or

710
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:31,920
like they they've earned this fate to some extent, And

711
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,799
I feel like a lot of it is, like I

712
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:36,119
don't know, a lot of it is just like little

713
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,000
lies that they tell to each other, and like that

714
00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:40,799
makes them bad people. I guess. You know, Caleb, he's

715
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:43,119
like checking out his sister's boobs all the time, so

716
00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:44,960
it's like, Okay, we eat what's going on there, buddy.

717
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,799
I never understood like the twins, like the young kids,

718
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,559
I feel like what if that is part of it?

719
00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:53,720
Like these people are bad people, Like this is karma

720
00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:55,920
coming back to get them in some way. Like do

721
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,319
the twins do anything that we would deem evil or

722
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:01,200
bad or anything?

723
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 4: Worshiping Black Philip and might be the bad thing.

724
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:06,359
Speaker 1: Kind of, but it's like do they know, Like I

725
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,119
don't know if they know.

726
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,359
Speaker 3: They're so good making them stories, right yeah, and like

727
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:11,720
they're just singing and dancing.

728
00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 5: They were very disobedient too, and I don't know if

729
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,880
that's how hard, Like I.

730
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 6: Would never really think unless it's like a straight up

731
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,000
child's serial killer, Like I would never think that like

732
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,839
a child is evil or like a ser like they're

733
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,200
just kind of yeah, yeah, exactly, Like they're just they're

734
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,599
talking to you know, Black Philip, Like it's and they're

735
00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:33,759
making stories and like I probably talked to my little

736
00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:35,839
stuffies as a little kid, like just making stories as

737
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:36,079
you go.

738
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:39,839
Speaker 2: So I would never say that's really a sinner type thing.

739
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,039
But I'm a center myself.

740
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,359
Speaker 1: So it's like they're they're just learning and stuff. Like

741
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,519
even if Black Philips are talking to them, I guess

742
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:52,000
it's tough though, right, that's what he's saying to them, yeah,

743
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,119
Like it's like you said at the beginning, right, like

744
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,480
they do just think if they die or sin, they're

745
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,720
going hell, and that's something they are taught like in

746
00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:00,759
that era of that's like a it could be as

747
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,079
a I don't know, a vessel for you know, the devil, right,

748
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,079
like a black goat like that and everything. So but

749
00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:12,480
again it's that that the Twins is a tougher one

750
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:14,319
to get to for me as far as like them

751
00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:16,200
deserving to die or anything like that, because them just

752
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,640
being a little shits. It's like, well little kids all

753
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,200
the time. It can be a little jerks, right, but

754
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,799
it's just like and I guess you could say they

755
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,319
kind of like trying to set up on you because

756
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,960
they do say she tells like I think they know

757
00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:30,680
that she's I think they know she's joking. But when

758
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,440
they do hank like the dad locks black fill up

759
00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:35,920
the twins and her in the cage, and I do

760
00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:37,920
like that they both ask each other like you the witch?

761
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,920
And then and then she asked them like you the witch?

762
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,680
And I don't think so. But that's where she's like,

763
00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:45,839
that's super fucking sus. So when these kids are like,

764
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:47,920
I don't think so and then the goat is just

765
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,920
looking at you. So it's again it's it's I think

766
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,759
they're just a casualty in the crossfire here. I think

767
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,720
it's more it's like the sins of the Father. I

768
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:58,839
think that's what it kind of is, right.

769
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 3: I guess I'm almost that they weren't like earlier fodder

770
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:02,480
in the movie.

771
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 5: Uh.

772
00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:05,599
Speaker 3: To further this thing of like maybe the witch would

773
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,880
just go up like age pretty much like take out

774
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,000
the youngest and then go up from there, but they

775
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:12,320
kind of skip that, go to Caleb and then and

776
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,079
then everyone kind of dies in the final sequence altogether,

777
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,920
like back to back, you know. So that that was

778
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,079
that I was hard. It was hard for me to

779
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:23,360
piece together what exactly the point of the twins were

780
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,239
other than like you know, certain things of like they

781
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,440
revealed to the parents like oh, she's a witch because

782
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,119
she said that, which I think that was a really

783
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:30,679
wellden scene, like so many times we see that in

784
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,679
a movie or show, and it's really annoying as if

785
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,480
you were to like, okay, just explain, just tell, explain

786
00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:37,920
what happened there, and then everything can get cleared up,

787
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,760
and they never do. But I feel that was a

788
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,360
perfect situation where like the mom was already just in

789
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,840
such tragedy, the sun is tweaking out in a way

790
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,000
that they're just freaking out about, and then the twins

791
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:50,119
drop this and like, yeah, that's a really hard thing

792
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:52,360
to explain because she went really hard when she was

793
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,280
being the fake witch on the on the the younger

794
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,679
sister just like she went way too hard with that

795
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,280
joke if she was joking, you know. So I can

796
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,800
see how that's a very hard thing to explain away

797
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,039
given the circumstances.

798
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: You never came in on the what you thought was

799
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,840
real or not real in that situation. Yeah, what's going on?

800
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 4: Sequence?

801
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, I yeah, Like the idea of her being a

802
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,920
witch one to start, that's really really intriguing. And I

803
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,719
didn't really think of that, uh the like what's real

804
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,400
and what is not? Like some things just seem to

805
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,039
line up with other events. And for example, I'm just

806
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:36,079
gonna say, when they were trapped in that bar and

807
00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:39,760
then this old lady is just fucking pounding back that

808
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,679
goat's milk at the same time you have this crow

809
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:52,880
just pounding back the mum's milk too, I guess just like, yeah,

810
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,000
I feel like, okay, well those the one event might

811
00:35:56,039 --> 00:35:59,159
be well, the one event is clearly she's hallucinating. It

812
00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:01,480
could be that she's getting sick from the corn of

813
00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:02,159
the food like you.

814
00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:04,639
Speaker 4: Were talking about Travis. Uh, But.

815
00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:09,559
Speaker 5: Like are the kids and also like thomasin are they

816
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,719
have loose sitting because there's clearly an old lady in there.

817
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,920
She's clearly doing something, clearly doing something.

818
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,199
Speaker 1: Is there an old lady in there in.

819
00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 4: The barn scene when they're trapped.

820
00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:21,559
Speaker 1: Because when they when Anya wakes up, she's gone.

821
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 5: But the goats screams yeah because the twins, the twins

822
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,199
wake up and they they freak out, and then it

823
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:30,719
cuts to you see the witch and it cuts to

824
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,719
Anya and then she screams yeah.

825
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,119
Speaker 1: But I I also in fear that if you're taking

826
00:36:36,159 --> 00:36:38,440
as like the oh, there's double meaning to that that

827
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,079
that could have they could have saw Anya doing that

828
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,760
and she is like in like, they're fucking with us

829
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,000
again as she's they show the older witch, but that's

830
00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:49,119
her because when Annia wakes up, it looks like a

831
00:36:49,199 --> 00:36:51,320
dream and then they cut and then the dad finds

832
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,960
them all dead. You don't see that witch interact with

833
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,599
any adults there or like, so that's where it's like

834
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,440
to me, it's like, is that witch there? Is it

835
00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:01,440
just black filt fucking round? Is just a hallucination because

836
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,599
like I don't think it's a for sure because if

837
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:06,920
she is there, I guess that, Okay, all the stuff

838
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,440
goes down, then she scurries away, and that could be it,

839
00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:11,719
right or just magic, right, But I mean, but.

840
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: To counter that, like given the scene with the witch

841
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:17,559
like in her hut and when she's cooking up the kid,

842
00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:19,760
and then later when the witch is like the younger

843
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,039
version and baits in Caleb, like, if we're seeing that witch,

844
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,239
presumably there's no way that could be on you, right,

845
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,199
So like why would why would that not be just

846
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:30,320
the continuity of that?

847
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,519
Speaker 1: Well, no, it could be because they both go in the

848
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:36,880
forest together, right, but think dad right away after she does,

849
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:37,400
but it doesn't.

850
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 3: She's also knocked out in that sequence, interestingly.

851
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,079
Speaker 1: And the dad brings it up. He's like, you're the

852
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:44,840
one that lost him and you're the one that found him,

853
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,880
and that when he starts to believe on is the witch.

854
00:37:47,159 --> 00:37:49,599
Speaker 3: But I mean when the baby goes missing, like that's

855
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:51,719
that it doesn't really connect there, I guess just.

856
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 1: That she's the last one to see him though, right,

857
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:54,800
she's the last one to see the baby.

858
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 3: And that scene happens at night, right, like when when

859
00:37:59,079 --> 00:38:01,039
when when the she's actually cooking up.

860
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: The baby, Yeah, the cooking. Yeah, the baby goes back.

861
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,280
Like it's like I'm.

862
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 3: Trying to think, like maybe all these things happen when

863
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,239
she's asleep, and maybe it's like some sleepwalking. The witch

864
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,800
mint situation, Well.

865
00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:14,199
Speaker 5: There's a red cloak too, right, that's what the twins say, like, oh,

866
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,559
we see this witch walking around out in the forest.

867
00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:18,840
She's got like a red cloak, which you see is

868
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:23,239
reoccurring because the young witch luring Calebin is wearing that

869
00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:26,440
cloak over her head and then the mom has it

870
00:38:26,519 --> 00:38:28,800
on her lap on the crow is like going to

871
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:29,760
town on her right.

872
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, even like bringing back this movie like they you know,

873
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,679
if they wanted to, if it was in a horror move,

874
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,639
they could have color graded it made like the Poppy

875
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,039
at greens and blues. But it is a very drab movie,

876
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:46,039
and so when you have any color really stands out,

877
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:48,320
like the red and of course like the apple as well.

878
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,679
So I'm sure there's some connection there between like this

879
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,039
red cape and this red apple that Caleb is going

880
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:55,960
to the woods to find he finds something with a

881
00:38:56,039 --> 00:38:57,280
red something or rather that.

882
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,199
Speaker 1: It's just the what is it puberty just getting the

883
00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:06,280
best of them there, you know, seeing right everywhere. Yeah,

884
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,679
but and that's the thing. I still believe that these

885
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,519
situations happened to her, but there's always like the yeah

886
00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:14,519
but and there's all this like and that. That's what

887
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:16,679
I do like about it because I think that you

888
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,360
can just watch it. The way that I take is, Okay,

889
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,400
she's a she's not which that this, you know, she

890
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,320
becomes one, et cetera, and it just completely works. But then

891
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,079
I kind of like that it has that double on

892
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,920
Tauendre if you want to look into it, because all

893
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,320
these things happen and then you know, the dad, he

894
00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:33,199
just dies from a goat, so that could be.

895
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 2: So Trevor's like, how are you reading into that scene?

896
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,559
Speaker 6: Then with the old witch in the barn with them

897
00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:41,760
you don't think she was actually there?

898
00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: No, it's just like another hallucination sort of like I

899
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,559
definitely don't think she even if the case, So if

900
00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:50,760
I think that that that witch is in the forest

901
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,920
and everything, right, because like even then we.

902
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: Never girlfriends what you're talking about or the well there was.

903
00:39:56,119 --> 00:39:58,679
Speaker 1: I think the one that eats the baby. Cale's girlfriend

904
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,679
is still her because when she re she's around, she has.

905
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 2: An old arm, right, Oh I see, Okay.

906
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,199
Speaker 1: The only thing that's odd is we don't like I've

907
00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:08,360
always thought it's interested when Anya gets to the final

908
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,400
coven and they're all spinning, but and whatnot, you never

909
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,039
have like a moment of Anya's seeing that witch, like

910
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:16,800
the witch that has like haunted them the whole movie.

911
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,559
You would think that would be almost like a respect,

912
00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:21,239
like oh, you're here with us now, and like, oh,

913
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,159
this is where I'm supposed to be. You never see

914
00:40:23,159 --> 00:40:25,480
that now. Granted, this happens a lot of witch folk

915
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:27,480
right where she could be one of those witches that

916
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:29,840
are now young and sexy. That happens right, like they

917
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,159
take youth and stuff. So but still I always thought

918
00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:35,320
that is odd that she doesn't have a moment with

919
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:36,960
any witch that would kind of say like, oh, yeah,

920
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,280
I've been like messing with your whole family for a

921
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,199
couple of days and now you're here and it's great

922
00:40:41,199 --> 00:40:43,480
to see you. So for me though, if that witch

923
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,760
it's like we talk about the baby being take away

924
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,159
as magic if that witch is like an actual character

925
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,519
and messing with them. I think she's there in like

926
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:53,960
a magical way, not as like a physical like you

927
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,280
couldn't touch that witch and like pull her off and

928
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,840
start punching her. She's there in like a astral projection

929
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:01,800
and something or could just poof away. I don't think

930
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,239
she's actually there sucking on the tee and you could

931
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:04,960
pull her off.

932
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,199
Speaker 2: So then how do you explain the goats that were

933
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,119
just drained right there? Just magic?

934
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,599
Speaker 1: How would you explain that as far as like Onya

935
00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:16,960
wakes up and those goats are still live? So did

936
00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:21,719
go on you like the witch clock her? You know,

937
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:22,760
that's a tough thing.

938
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 6: I I really don't know how to answer that like cleanly,

939
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,119
because my my running theory was just somehow the witch

940
00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:31,800
got in there, whether like we like we were mentioning the.

941
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 2: Rabbit or.

942
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:36,079
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, she got I'm pretty sure the first time

943
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:38,039
I watched this, I probably dozed off and woke up

944
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:40,599
in that scene to her just at me. It's like

945
00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:42,679
the scene of Blockers where I just locked eyes with

946
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,800
the witch looking at me, and.

947
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,679
Speaker 1: Then she could be the rabbit, right she's there and

948
00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:47,320
then yeah, so.

949
00:41:48,119 --> 00:41:50,679
Speaker 6: She got and the goats probably took the twigs and

950
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,159
then just left on you because she knows that she's

951
00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:53,960
turning into the witch.

952
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,159
Speaker 2: I don't like, I don't.

953
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,079
Speaker 3: Really thought too much about it though, when the dad

954
00:41:57,119 --> 00:41:58,840
locked him up in the bar and I'm like, there's

955
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,400
got to be way out of this barn, right, Like.

956
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,119
Speaker 2: Do those nails he was using like.

957
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:05,199
Speaker 3: One door the roofs made of hay, Like I think

958
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:05,880
that's what I mean.

959
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,039
Speaker 6: The nails were like it was like a like tiny,

960
00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:11,639
like one little nail floppy board.

961
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: I just also thought really bold of him to still

962
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,880
like go to bed, because like the next thing, he

963
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,679
wakes up and he climbs over his wife, Like that's

964
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:20,159
a night where you're I'm gonna fucking sit outside this

965
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,920
barn and I'm keeping my eyes on all Like who

966
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,519
goes to bed after everything that you think exhausted.

967
00:42:27,039 --> 00:42:29,079
Speaker 2: I don't know if people live in this time era,

968
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,159
let alone.

969
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 3: With the witchcraft, like on the edge of starvation.

970
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: This is life. I'm fine if it's he's outside and

971
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,079
he falls asleep, but he's fully tucked into the bed

972
00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:42,840
with his life. Yeah, Like that's a night where it's

973
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,599
like one of my three kids could be a witch.

974
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:46,599
I gotta fucking stay up. There's no way I'm going

975
00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:47,039
into bed.

976
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 5: But like, well that's the thing, Like I feel like

977
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:52,519
this guy he's lost, he's lost two kids at this point,

978
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:54,800
he's thinking like, holy funk, I had to lock the

979
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,039
rest of my kids in the barn with black Phil

980
00:42:57,119 --> 00:42:59,599
up to go my wife. I walked in on my

981
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:02,280
wife getting you know, with the crow again, walked to

982
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,840
my wife with that. Like this guy is clearly just thinking,

983
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,519
you know what, I'm fucking done. He's he's thinking about

984
00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:09,800
building his barn and becoming a wheat farmer.

985
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,159
Speaker 4: So he's going to bed that night. He's just calling

986
00:43:12,199 --> 00:43:12,760
it quits.

987
00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 3: His wife come for me in a pile of wood.

988
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,440
I'm out of here, like just get me, yeah, out

989
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:17,719
of here.

990
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 1: And then before it really got bad, his wife all

991
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,239
submitted that she doesn't love him anymore and doesn't think

992
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,880
she could ever love him. So just another just like

993
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:27,159
drop that in there. His son is like dying in

994
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:28,639
the room. She's like, yeah, you know, I don't really

995
00:43:28,639 --> 00:43:30,320
love you and I don't think I could in the future.

996
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:37,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, another another theory here to add on, Like Anya

997
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:41,079
being passed out, and then like she's the witch in

998
00:43:41,159 --> 00:43:44,400
those moments, because so the first time, there's kind of

999
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,880
two sequences when Caleb's checking out his sister. The first

1000
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,440
one she's just like sleeping in the house, and then

1001
00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:51,280
the next time it's like when they're at the river

1002
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,800
cleaning clothes or something, and she like catches him, and

1003
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,480
so it's it's almost it's not clear if she saw

1004
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:00,960
him checking her out, but she's like seems like she

1005
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:04,239
maybe fifty percent chance kind of acknowledged him there in

1006
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,159
doing that. And then obviously when he gets baited into

1007
00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:09,599
that barn later, it's like some witch who just has

1008
00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:10,639
like her boobs out.

1009
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:12,599
Speaker 1: She punishes him for his crimes, you know.

1010
00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:15,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I don't know. I feel like the more

1011
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:17,039
we talk about it, the more that theory seems pretty

1012
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:19,400
likely to me. And once again, now I gotta do

1013
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,320
a rewatch to confirm her see if it actually lines

1014
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,119
up or if it's just me and I remember dream

1015
00:44:26,159 --> 00:44:27,960
inception style trying to piece all together.

1016
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: It's definitely gone out that theory because when we talk

1017
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,920
about the barn, just certain things and like the idea

1018
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,000
of like I didn't really think about her and the

1019
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:36,639
sleeping and like any time, and again, even if it's

1020
00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:39,000
like unbeknownst to her, she's doing these things right, if

1021
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,679
it is a bewitched or a possession in a way

1022
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:43,719
that she could be like the con to it. Like

1023
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,880
even then maybe the fucking witch is like she's not

1024
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,360
the rabbit. She's just like like puppeteering on you to

1025
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,320
do some of these things right, and she can just

1026
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,559
stay in her little cave while you.

1027
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 3: Can see we even see Caleb like doing a full

1028
00:44:55,519 --> 00:44:58,239
stealth sequence out of the house. So like clearly she

1029
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,199
could just at any point in the night like up

1030
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:03,360
and leave, presumably quietly without anyone else noticing.

1031
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: That's fast asleep in bed as always, you know. Yeah,

1032
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,760
she loves me, always getting a good night's sleep.

1033
00:45:10,679 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 2: All ten hours every night.

1034
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that weather though you're sleeping on the outside pretty

1035
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,960
much like like obviously there's stuck to do, but when

1036
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,840
you're camping, that's some of the best sleeps ever. You're

1037
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,679
just sleeping in the great outdoors. So that's this guy.

1038
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:34,679
Speaker 3: So mm hmm, Yeah, this is the most relaxed. Yeah,

1039
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,159
this is this is a pivot, but one thing and

1040
00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:40,280
I think it's it's kind of what you're saying there, Travis,

1041
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,840
of like the food theory, it's not fully there, but

1042
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,480
just like a lot of obscure, nasty, weird things happening

1043
00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:50,559
with and related to animals in this right, Like the

1044
00:45:50,559 --> 00:45:52,760
first thing I think we see is that they're one

1045
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,000
of the chicken eggs I guess like didn't survive. There's

1046
00:45:56,079 --> 00:45:59,039
like a dead baby chicken there. Of course, when the

1047
00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:01,719
when the fall is trying to aim his gun at

1048
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,679
the rabbit, that's when he gets like shot in the eye.

1049
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,280
The dog dies pretty early on the goat starts squirting

1050
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,199
blood instead of milk. The crow scene obviously we brought

1051
00:46:10,199 --> 00:46:13,079
that up, and then the goat. So yeah, a lot

1052
00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:16,880
of weird, strange things happen happening to animals, which I

1053
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,679
guess is maybe just like easier for a witch to

1054
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,800
control an animal or or I think so even like

1055
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,480
maybe now that I'm thinking about more, maybe it's not

1056
00:46:25,519 --> 00:46:28,039
the the witch transforming into the rabbit and acting as

1057
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:31,360
the rabbit, because once again, if it was that Anya scene,

1058
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,920
and let's say she is the witch in that moment,

1059
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,719
then obviously like her and the rabbit exist in different spots.

1060
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,840
But more so that maybe like a simple creature like

1061
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,519
that is easy to command for a witch.

1062
00:46:42,159 --> 00:46:44,159
Speaker 1: I would think so for sure. I just think more

1063
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:44,760
it's kind.

1064
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:46,679
Speaker 3: Of just smaller than animal, the easier to control.

1065
00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:50,159
Speaker 1: Weak mind like not that bundy, Like I'm sure bunnies.

1066
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 3: Are Bunnies are weak minded. What are you gonna do? Like,

1067
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,639
but I mean the bunny listeners.

1068
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: Of yeah, I mean compared to like if we look

1069
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,800
at the food chain, I think we're much higher on

1070
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,800
the bunny that are much higher than the bunny, right,

1071
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,559
So that's where I think we're supposed to And they

1072
00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:07,320
don't know I imagine they don't know about witches and

1073
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,400
hell and sinning and stuff, so they don't have those

1074
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,320
sorrows trouble. They're sleeping better than the dad, you know,

1075
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,679
at night. So m.

1076
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just kind of attribute that to like a

1077
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:23,280
witchcraft type type thing of them just messing with livestock

1078
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,159
and animals and just especially like even the crops, right,

1079
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,039
Like you could you could say that that's witchcraft, that's

1080
00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:31,320
just making all their crops moldy. You could just be

1081
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,199
terrible land And that's just the way that it goes,

1082
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:34,880
because that's probably the reality of life.

1083
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,039
Speaker 5: Back doesn't doesn't she call him up for being a

1084
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:40,800
ship farmer, like you just go back and cut wood like.

1085
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:41,559
Speaker 1: You limp dick.

1086
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,559
Speaker 3: It did seem like he had a lot of like

1087
00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:46,599
maybe too much wood cut, So maybe you should have

1088
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:48,760
spend more time working on the cross.

1089
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: Was you should water more?

1090
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 6: But yeah, just just that's like attention to the animals.

1091
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:05,360
I definitely like sickening. I feel like just most of

1092
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,840
it is grotesque imagery, whether it's the like the the

1093
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,519
miscarriage I guess of an egg for like the little

1094
00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:15,920
chicken there. They didn't have to show us the dog dying,

1095
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:18,679
but fuck they sure did, and those bastards just made

1096
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,320
it made it that much harder to see. But uh, yeah,

1097
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,320
I I just kind of attribute that to a which thing. Again,

1098
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,760
it's uh it's very warhammer like getting the uh the

1099
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,440
corruption of the livestock and all all those aspects. So yeah,

1100
00:48:31,519 --> 00:48:34,440
I I I liked it for what it was, but

1101
00:48:34,519 --> 00:48:37,000
I did not like seeing it. I feel like the

1102
00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:39,639
crow scene, I remember seeing it, but when it was

1103
00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:41,320
coming up, I forgot about it or I would have

1104
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,800
looked away. And it's just like, yeah, no, that's that's

1105
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,519
what I got. As I'm putting my you know, spoon

1106
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:48,320
of food in my mouth. I get that shot.

1107
00:48:48,639 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 2: Pause the movie, come back to this when I'm done eating.

1108
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: For me, it's a fact if like, obviously it's still

1109
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,360
like a disturbing scene. But what's so unsettling about it

1110
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,000
is so she's there. This is just after the second

1111
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,280
son has died and the baby, and then she's having

1112
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,280
this hallucination right that he's there and he has the baby,

1113
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,199
and she's like, oh, he's gonna be so happier back,

1114
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:09,719
and then she starts to breastfeed the baby, which I

1115
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,840
feel like we all know even before it's okay, this

1116
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,760
is not gonna be good. But it's just like it's

1117
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,320
still like in a loving way, like, oh, I gotta

1118
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,039
switch size. But then when they hardcut to it later

1119
00:49:18,159 --> 00:49:19,960
and the crow is just nipping at her, but she's

1120
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,519
also just like laughing, and it's so it's fucking is

1121
00:49:24,639 --> 00:49:27,760
just rattling because it's just like she nobody like when

1122
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,199
they're breasting their babies, like laughing like that, right, So

1123
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:33,880
it's just like she's completely fucking mad, and it's just again,

1124
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,800
she also gets a good night sleep. She goes back

1125
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,920
in the bed and also falls asleep. So these people

1126
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,599
can just sleep like a rock. But yeah, that doesn't.

1127
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 3: Change her shirt's like no rocking.

1128
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,679
Speaker 1: That's what gets me though. It's her laughing during that

1129
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,239
and she looks so bewildered. And great job by that actress.

1130
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,920
She does a phenomenal job just seeing like completely a

1131
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,519
different person and a good, good death scene too. Or

1132
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:56,519
she tries to kill on you and she's just she's

1133
00:49:56,519 --> 00:49:58,960
just she's like a rabbit animal at that point too,

1134
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,960
She's like the goat where she's just doesn't matter what

1135
00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:04,280
Anya would say in that moment, whatever has happened. She's

1136
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,639
just I'm gonna kill my daughter right here. And it

1137
00:50:06,679 --> 00:50:08,440
is like a killer be killed. You either gotta kill

1138
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:09,880
me or I'm gonna kill you. And it's just like

1139
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,440
terrible scene if you think Anya is an innocent person

1140
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:15,440
in this, so it is brutal.

1141
00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 3: I think I'm officially done with the trope of one

1142
00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:21,199
character is being pinned down by the other character. Character

1143
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,239
on the ground struggles, swings their arm around, you get

1144
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,519
a cut shot of them reaching for a sharp object

1145
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:29,320
and smacking the person. I think I've seen that five

1146
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,360
too many times now and I don't want any movie

1147
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,719
to ever do it again. So I'm sure, you have

1148
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,920
some uh maybe planned and your I forget if there's

1149
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:37,719
one in a drenochrome.

1150
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,039
Speaker 1: What is the specific scene again?

1151
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 3: Give me that again, character pinned on the ground. Yeah,

1152
00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:45,119
and then the character on the ground is flaming their arms.

1153
00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:48,039
They reach for something sharp, they grab it and stab

1154
00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:49,719
the person in the head and get them all some

1155
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,400
kind of have a struggling ground shot and a drenochrome.

1156
00:50:53,639 --> 00:50:55,280
I do, but I like that, but it's different.

1157
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: I think, well, because the thing is, it's the the

1158
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,039
character sees it and then they purposely move in that

1159
00:51:01,079 --> 00:51:03,679
direction to get set object. Does that make a better

1160
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,480
few instead of just flare like they see it?

1161
00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 3: And I think, just the one that's here in the Witch,

1162
00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:12,159
I've seen this exact shot a million times, but just

1163
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:18,000
onct object. She's probably done it in another movie to

1164
00:51:18,159 --> 00:51:19,800
there's no there's none in the same probably did it

1165
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,480
in the menu, I don't remember, but she probably did

1166
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:26,239
so as well with her magic sword, you know all

1167
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:26,840
that stuff.

1168
00:51:27,039 --> 00:51:28,559
Speaker 1: I'll keep that in mind. I don't think there's any

1169
00:51:28,639 --> 00:51:30,280
second movies, so I think we're good. We're good.

1170
00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 3: I just feel like it doesn't Yeah, ten million. The

1171
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,079
person on the bottom always wins that exchange show. There's

1172
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:40,280
no there's no question about who's gonna come out on top.

1173
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:46,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's fair. Yeah, yeah, anything else.

1174
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 3: I mean, I just want to quickly highlight some acting

1175
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,920
like Anya for her first movie, first major role, like it,

1176
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,800
did an amazing job here. There's one of her best

1177
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,840
roles still, I think, and I've seen quite a few

1178
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:02,599
of her movies. Now. Uh, Caleb the eldest son, Harvey

1179
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,800
crim Scrimshaws the name of the actor.

1180
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:05,559
Speaker 1: I think it's great.

1181
00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:09,559
Speaker 3: He has to do some wild stuff, especially when he's seen. Yeah,

1182
00:52:09,639 --> 00:52:12,000
when like the Exorcism scene when he when you I

1183
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,639
think he's about to get up on all the arms

1184
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:16,360
and walk like a spits the apple out like that.

1185
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,679
He does a really really great job there. And then

1186
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,719
of course both the parents do a really great job,

1187
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,320
especially Ralph. For me, he's kind of the standout between

1188
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,000
the two, and he just gets to do a little

1189
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,079
bit more other than the yeah, deep gravelly voice, which

1190
00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:29,639
it's a great voice, but yeah, it is hard to

1191
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,239
hard to hear what he's saying exactly. But yeah, I

1192
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:34,960
think I think they all do a really good job. So,

1193
00:52:35,199 --> 00:52:35,840
you know, shouts to.

1194
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: All the acting across the board, especially because it's the

1195
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,320
voice while trying to do like this like kind of

1196
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,400
old timy accent. I think that's the double because I've

1197
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,400
heard him like when he's a Green Knight. I feel

1198
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,320
like I didn't have any troubles then, So I feel

1199
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,480
like it's that combo of gravelly voice and using the

1200
00:52:50,639 --> 00:52:52,760
the the and stuff, and.

1201
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 6: It's the type of movie I would expect to not

1202
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:55,320
be able to understand.

1203
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, subtitles, it feels authentic.

1204
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, if you hear those like render of like what

1205
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:03,719
old English sounded like from like the Middle Ages, Like, yeah,

1206
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,360
I feel like he'd be pretty close to that.

1207
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 2: He's probably the guy in the videos doing doing all

1208
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:13,559
the readings. Yeah, Black Philip.

1209
00:53:13,639 --> 00:53:16,159
Speaker 6: I didn't notice his human form the first time around

1210
00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:19,880
because it's a very dark film. And I kind it's

1211
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,960
interesting too, because like you don't really see until like

1212
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,000
you just get like the black hand like go on

1213
00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:27,480
her shoulder, and like right away you just know that

1214
00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:31,719
she's I feel like, okay, the witch stuff. I've seen

1215
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,280
shots of a witch. You know, you can make the

1216
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,719
argument it's just dream sequence or their imagining worst case scenario.

1217
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,599
As soon as Black Phillips starts speaking to Anya, it's like, oh, yeah,

1218
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,039
she's she's doing She's.

1219
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 2: Just going to hell.

1220
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 6: She is full on in Satan's clutches here. And I

1221
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,559
like it though, because it's literally like what the first

1222
00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:53,039
ten minutes I think when that like sequence happened, probably

1223
00:53:53,079 --> 00:53:55,320
even less maybe last five minutes, like it's really the

1224
00:53:55,440 --> 00:54:00,280
end of the film. Oh when he speaks and you

1225
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,639
just just made me think of the first eight minutes

1226
00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:04,559
of this film as you see the witch eating that child.

1227
00:54:04,679 --> 00:54:07,519
So it's they really get you in the the front

1228
00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:08,599
of the back of this movie.

1229
00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 5: I feel like black phillis making some pretty good deals

1230
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,400
on his end because he's like butter, Butter, Yeah, you

1231
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:16,000
can have it.

1232
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. It didn't take the movie down for me at all.

1233
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,880
I didn't need the human form. I think I like

1234
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,159
it better just up to the net because like it's

1235
00:54:24,199 --> 00:54:26,079
to me, it's always tough when you have like a

1236
00:54:26,159 --> 00:54:28,760
representation of the devil and then like the human forms, like, well,

1237
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,840
should the devil have a human form per se? And

1238
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,480
if it does, Like so, I was fine with just

1239
00:54:33,519 --> 00:54:35,719
the voice and the go and I think I didn't

1240
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,000
need the guy with the uh.

1241
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 6: I think it was mostly just surprising because I wasn't

1242
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,159
expecting a human because I didn't see it the first

1243
00:54:42,159 --> 00:54:43,880
time around, but it's.

1244
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 2: I was also really tired of that first viewing. Yeah,

1245
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:46,800
fair enough for a point.

1246
00:54:48,599 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 3: I'm noteless over here, boys, other than trivia, noteless ny

1247
00:54:53,880 --> 00:55:01,519
notes nay nay, really making us wait for that?

1248
00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:05,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, my goodness. Okay, So if anyone was wondering the

1249
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:08,159
spelling of the title with the Witch with the double

1250
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,679
v's is how they used to write the word in

1251
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,599
the stories period because the letter W was not yet

1252
00:55:13,639 --> 00:55:14,880
in common use at the time.

1253
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 3: Which you know, what is it called a double let's

1254
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:18,599
call it a double V.

1255
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: I was thinking about that too, the bitch.

1256
00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 1: According to cinematography, the cinematographer, the film was mostly sorry

1257
00:55:27,519 --> 00:55:31,199
was shot mostly with available natural light, which is very impressive.

1258
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,599
And obviously they they I think I looked at it

1259
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:35,559
was only twenty five days shoots, so obviously they probably

1260
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:39,639
just had there from to like I don't know, eight

1261
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,639
to you know, sundown or whatever. But I've been there.

1262
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,960
We just we've shot again recently and we're gonna do

1263
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,320
it again this week. We're shooting stuff outside and there's

1264
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,360
always a point where we're outside. I'm like, fuck, I

1265
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,719
never want to shoot any movie outside anymore because all

1266
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,119
it takes is just some turn with the weather something.

1267
00:55:56,159 --> 00:55:58,480
It's like, man, this is a match up. It's a pain.

1268
00:55:58,599 --> 00:56:00,280
So good for them that I just kind of all

1269
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,280
worked and it all looked like whatever time of year

1270
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,239
they shot, it's always like kind of cloudy and foggy.

1271
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,159
So I think that that environment seemed to work out

1272
00:56:08,199 --> 00:56:11,280
a lot for them. But uh. The premise is based

1273
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,280
on the America's first witch hysteria, set sixty two years

1274
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:18,239
before the infamous Salem witch trials in Massachusetts. This is

1275
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:19,920
kind of like the big So this is where it's

1276
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,000
like it's you gotta think about, like people are already

1277
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:24,559
scared of witches and it's like a hysteria. This is

1278
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:26,719
like sixty two years before it gets to that like

1279
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,119
really bad. Like I said, those memes of like you

1280
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,039
do math and like that's a witch, you know, like

1281
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:34,719
of like if anythings, if a woman does anything that

1282
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,280
is even smarter than the males, they're just gonna And

1283
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,679
there's people that you know, abuse that that would get

1284
00:56:39,679 --> 00:56:41,599
people killed by just saying they're witches, but really they

1285
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:44,400
did nothing. But uh, but yeah, kind of what we've

1286
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,599
talked about the director designed the film to be interpreted

1287
00:56:46,639 --> 00:56:49,400
two ways, literally as if the family was besieged by

1288
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,880
real witches and satanic forces, or figuraively as the family

1289
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,280
has to come to a shared psychosist to their strained

1290
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,280
circumstances and beliefs. They're small hints about the film that

1291
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,519
could serve as a reasonable causes behind the events beyond

1292
00:57:01,559 --> 00:57:05,320
the obvious supernatural, such as the contaminated food that caused

1293
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:10,800
hallucinations back in the day, repressed sexual desires, and extreme isolation.

1294
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,320
The director state, it's up to the viewer and he

1295
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,880
will not answer any of those so and he would

1296
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:21,280
not also answer if he's had any other worldly interactions

1297
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,159
like ghosts, whatever, stuff like that. He just had no comment,

1298
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:26,519
so kind of I think some interviewers asked if he

1299
00:57:26,599 --> 00:57:28,199
believed in the stuff and just no.

1300
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 5: Hey, then you gotta ge him on cryptid clues and

1301
00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:32,840
break that open. Yeah, that's gonna be a you know,

1302
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,760
a hard cell. But I can I don't know how

1303
00:57:36,039 --> 00:57:37,679
do I how do I get him? Get him on

1304
00:57:37,719 --> 00:57:38,800
the show and ask him.

1305
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: Well, you get him on the show, and then you

1306
00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:43,119
also get him to produce a film for us. And

1307
00:57:43,199 --> 00:57:44,760
we talked to him, you know, one thing at a time.

1308
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:48,119
Speaker 2: We'll do the Cryptid Clues appearance first and then start

1309
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:49,639
talked about going.

1310
00:57:49,559 --> 00:57:52,159
Speaker 4: Do a which sequel, but we'll have us cast in it.

1311
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:53,599
Speaker 1: I don't want to do which sequel that.

1312
00:57:54,599 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 3: He's having the crow come for their nips.

1313
00:57:58,039 --> 00:57:59,079
Speaker 2: I'll sacrifice a boo.

1314
00:57:59,199 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: Is Taylor then just not me? Quentin Robert Eggers. He

1315
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,719
did not direct Harvey Scrimshaw through most of his difficult scenes,

1316
00:58:06,719 --> 00:58:09,800
and those scenes Scrimshaw was directed by Ralph Innoson. Aggars

1317
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,840
had no children at the time, and while Innoson was

1318
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,199
the father of two and frequently was an acting coach

1319
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,719
or instructor to children and knew but much better how

1320
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,320
to coach young children. This was not planned, but Agars,

1321
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,159
amid the Ensign's coaching uh was had a oh. He

1322
00:58:23,239 --> 00:58:26,960
had a hard time understanding Anger's direction. Agers Ensign used

1323
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,639
Scrimshaw's passion for soccer and coached him like he was

1324
00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:32,440
preparing for a high stakes game of football. So I

1325
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,760
guess which the reason that I put that in is

1326
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:35,840
like that. To me, it's just a sign of a

1327
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,679
good director where he's trying to direct this kid. It

1328
00:58:38,719 --> 00:58:40,480
ain't working. He like and he says it's in like

1329
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,000
a pause away because that a good story. Just like

1330
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,480
not working. He's not getting what I'm putting down. He

1331
00:58:44,519 --> 00:58:48,559
recognizes that Richard is like works with kids and acting

1332
00:58:48,639 --> 00:58:50,360
like hey, why don't you work with him? So all

1333
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,840
that stuff like that possession stuff like oh he's a

1334
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,199
kid as well, but that's I call the Richard. Ralph

1335
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,000
is helping him a lot through that. So I just

1336
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,679
put that in. There's like a great note by a

1337
00:58:59,719 --> 00:59:02,000
direct and didn't like get all like, oh, this kid's

1338
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:03,519
not fucking listen to me and I'm the guy and

1339
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:05,199
said like, hey, how do we get through this kid? Well,

1340
00:59:05,239 --> 00:59:07,880
you work with the kids, right, like, go work with them,

1341
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,960
And it worked and it probably helps you. Theyre supposed

1342
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:11,360
to be father and son, so it kind of builds

1343
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:12,000
that dynamic.

1344
00:59:12,039 --> 00:59:14,039
Speaker 3: But it's so wholesome. I love that.

1345
00:59:14,239 --> 00:59:15,679
Speaker 1: Yeah trivia fact.

1346
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,639
Speaker 2: It makes their like one on one scenes just that much.

1347
00:59:18,199 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: Yeah or whatnot? Yeah, most of the film's dialogue and

1348
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,239
story were based on writings from the time, and they

1349
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,199
go there's a bunch of trivia about all the different

1350
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:31,519
uh like uh studying they did and investigations and stuff

1351
00:59:31,559 --> 00:59:35,679
like that. Let's see This is his directional film debut.

1352
00:59:36,159 --> 00:59:38,000
He had only done some short movies and written a

1353
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,000
script for The Witch. Unbeknownst to him, his editor friend

1354
00:59:41,159 --> 00:59:44,440
Luis Ford, had passed the script on the producers Lars

1355
00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:49,079
Knudsen and Jay van Hoy. That's when j van Hoy,

1356
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,400
with whom she was working with at time, Aggers was

1357
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,119
horrified because he didn't consider the script finish. But fortunately

1358
00:59:54,159 --> 00:59:57,119
the producers loved it. They suggested that he simplify the

1359
00:59:57,119 --> 01:00:00,440
structure because originally the script was divided into five and

1360
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,360
we're told from the perspective of each family member, and

1361
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,400
then four years later they made it into a movie.

1362
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,559
So good, good friend Louis steals the script, gives the

1363
01:00:08,639 --> 01:00:11,119
producers he's mad about it, and then like here but yeah,

1364
01:00:11,159 --> 01:00:13,519
I guess that was the original script which I could

1365
01:00:13,559 --> 01:00:16,679
see as producers like simp fine and also like I am.

1366
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,719
I would love to read it though that version, because

1367
01:00:18,719 --> 01:00:20,440
I'd love to see, like we talk about the twins,

1368
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,440
like what's their chapter? Because I mentioned the five chapters

1369
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:27,079
are like Anya, the brother, the mom, dad, and you'd

1370
01:00:27,079 --> 01:00:29,679
have to be unless the chapter could have been from

1371
01:00:29,679 --> 01:00:31,559
the Witch or the Santanic point of view.

1372
01:00:31,639 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 3: But it was a take away some of the ambiguity of.

1373
01:00:34,239 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: It, I think especially Yeah, so I think I think

1374
01:00:37,039 --> 01:00:40,000
they found a better way there. During the witch hunts

1375
01:00:40,039 --> 01:00:43,119
of the of America, it was wide they believe that

1376
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:45,800
a witch could not say the entire Lord's prayer. This

1377
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,400
is why the family soapst when Mercy and Joans are

1378
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,840
unable to finish the prayer. So that's why they I

1379
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:53,960
was wondering what was going on here, Yeah, because it

1380
01:00:54,039 --> 01:00:55,599
is like I jumped it is this thing, like, there's

1381
01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:58,440
all this evidence against Anya. She says one thing and

1382
01:00:58,519 --> 01:01:00,639
that's like, oh, they kind of turned the twin. But

1383
01:01:01,199 --> 01:01:02,960
she says this, But then I also they didn't finish

1384
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:04,920
the prayer and they were lying about being dead. So

1385
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,679
again there's other things in there. This is my this

1386
01:01:08,719 --> 01:01:11,400
is the last year. This is my favorite thing. There

1387
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,000
were more scenes planned to evolve Black film, but because

1388
01:01:14,039 --> 01:01:16,519
he was not a well trained goat, those ideas had

1389
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:19,400
to be scrapped. Well in the scenes when Philip lunges

1390
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,280
and struggles with the father was not ridden. It just happened.

1391
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,239
So obviously not the scene where he died, but just

1392
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,400
other things. And it's so funny because I know this

1393
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,559
sounds stupid, but there was a moment where Annie was

1394
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:30,320
looking at him. It's before the shit hits the fan,

1395
01:01:30,719 --> 01:01:32,920
and then it's just Shaw the goat, and I was like,

1396
01:01:33,039 --> 01:01:34,440
this is a shot of a goat, like they're trying

1397
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:35,960
to make it scary of like he's just a goat

1398
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,239
and it sounds weird, but like, I feel like there

1399
01:01:38,239 --> 01:01:41,199
are animals that are trained and have like an on

1400
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,440
screen like charisma or something. It's probably because they are

1401
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,400
trained so they have like a live look. But I

1402
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,559
remember looking at them and like, this looks like a goat.

1403
01:01:48,599 --> 01:01:49,800
Like I know it's suposed to be the devil, but

1404
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,559
like there's nothing intimidating really about Black Pilp. He just

1405
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,719
looks like a regular goat. So I kind of laughed

1406
01:01:54,719 --> 01:01:56,800
when I read the trivia, like yeah, he wasn't he's

1407
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,639
not well trained. I'm like, yeah, you got the worst

1408
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:00,800
black coat you could find find out there.

1409
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 2: But I disagree.

1410
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:03,639
Speaker 6: I thought it was scary because it was just really

1411
01:02:03,679 --> 01:02:05,360
I feel like goats are terrifying animals.

1412
01:02:06,199 --> 01:02:08,079
Speaker 1: I wasn't of this. It's just like he's just like

1413
01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:10,320
he just looked regular. But yeah, I guess there was

1414
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,400
no terrifying, no.

1415
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,119
Speaker 2: No, yeah, tell me to murder my family.

1416
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you find a goat scary?

1417
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 5: I mean as a little kid, No, but they're usually

1418
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:27,519
they're associated with Satanism. Satanism as to the question, yes,

1419
01:02:27,599 --> 01:02:32,199
I do, Okay, okay you but no, I wonder what

1420
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:33,280
other scenes they had.

1421
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,039
Speaker 1: But you know, I I also will say that again,

1422
01:02:35,159 --> 01:02:37,440
like the changes in the script, I think it worked

1423
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,519
better having because I already didn't like him having human form.

1424
01:02:39,559 --> 01:02:41,280
I think it worked better having him in smaller a

1425
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,199
mouths because like, like, is there some scene where he's

1426
01:02:44,239 --> 01:02:46,760
like planning to chase the characters? Like, I don't know,

1427
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,679
Like I think black Philips in there the right amount

1428
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:55,000
in my opinion. So yeah, Tilmus, what are you scoring

1429
01:02:55,039 --> 01:02:55,440
this thing?

1430
01:02:58,119 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 3: Yeah? This is this is this is my I feel

1431
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,360
like my favorite kind of cast where I come into

1432
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,280
something either negative or just indifferent, which is how I

1433
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,960
would describe myself on this one. And by the end

1434
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,360
of it, I like it a lot more. I appreciate

1435
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,280
it a lot more, and I want to watch it again.

1436
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,119
And so I'm gonna go I'm gonna go with what

1437
01:03:17,239 --> 01:03:18,880
I did for like four or five years there. I'm

1438
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,840
not going to give this a rating. Because I feel

1439
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:22,639
like I need to see it again. I would feel

1440
01:03:22,719 --> 01:03:26,079
right giving it a number right here and now. I

1441
01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:29,039
don't think i'll rewatch it soon, so you'll have to

1442
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:30,719
wait for that. But maybe the next couple of years,

1443
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:32,760
I'll rewatch it and then I'll drop a rating on

1444
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,000
a newscast. But yeah, I'm really glad we had the

1445
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,840
discussion because I have a much greater appreciation for it

1446
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,400
now than I did yesterday evening.

1447
01:03:40,519 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm not telling you what to do, but

1448
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,920
you could wait because my hope is at some point

1449
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:49,280
when I were doing these retro Golden Geeks for Geek

1450
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,360
first Day and stuff. As I said last year, the

1451
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,559
year I won is twenty fifteen, because that's the one

1452
01:03:53,639 --> 01:03:56,119
year that we don't have for Geeek fir Us. When

1453
01:03:56,119 --> 01:03:58,440
we started, we didn't do gold Geek, So i'd say

1454
01:03:58,440 --> 01:03:59,760
getting hold off to that because I think at some

1455
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,880
point it will do twenty fifteen, and I would love

1456
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,079
to see even if that main top. I feel like

1457
01:04:04,119 --> 01:04:06,239
there's some acting that would make it. But this I

1458
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,440
feel I feel like we're gonna revisit it in our

1459
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,440
next our next decade at some point, so it might

1460
01:04:11,559 --> 01:04:15,400
yeah to be continued like that, mister Field.

1461
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm probably gonna go a I go. I'm gonna

1462
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:22,559
I'm gonna degenerous. I'm gonna go an eight out of ten.

1463
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:27,159
I feel like it's just scared. The goats scare me

1464
01:04:27,239 --> 01:04:31,239
so fucking bad. General, it's just the the scenes where

1465
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,840
you do see just it's they could have done so

1466
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,719
much more with the Witch. They could have just presented

1467
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:41,239
her as just this like full frontal terrifying like entity

1468
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:41,719
or demon.

1469
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:43,039
Speaker 4: But it's full frontal.

1470
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 5: You want something, Chara, I say full frontal specifically because

1471
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,400
you only got one scene of like the Witch may

1472
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:51,400
be cocking her head to the side after she's drinking

1473
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,639
her coat, but for the most part, every other scene

1474
01:04:54,639 --> 01:04:57,440
of just this old, haggard, jaggered witch is just her

1475
01:04:57,519 --> 01:04:59,840
from her like her back and her long hair, and

1476
01:05:00,039 --> 01:05:02,800
she's just like she's up to some crazy shit, like

1477
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:06,559
doing something, and it's just it's eerie. It's suspenseful, it's tense,

1478
01:05:06,639 --> 01:05:10,800
and it's just has this sense of known, unknown mystery

1479
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,079
to it. It's just it's eerie. And so I really

1480
01:05:13,199 --> 01:05:15,480
like how they did that. They didn't they leave it

1481
01:05:15,559 --> 01:05:17,800
up to your kind of imagination, because I've said this

1482
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,480
before once you kind of paint like a like a

1483
01:05:20,519 --> 01:05:22,920
picture of what this thing is that you're dealing with,

1484
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,760
and you can kind of it takes away that fear,

1485
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,440
but if you leave it up to your own imagination,

1486
01:05:27,519 --> 01:05:29,840
it kind of keeps that more scared fear factor in

1487
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:31,599
your mind. And so I think that's what this witch

1488
01:05:31,719 --> 01:05:33,960
definitely does a good job of doing, keeping that kind

1489
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,519
of element in your in your mind.

1490
01:05:36,599 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 4: So I like that a lot. And yeah, just the fact.

1491
01:05:39,679 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 5: That they were kicked out of their village for having

1492
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:47,360
different religious beliefs and they they had this whole setup

1493
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:51,079
and you know, things or could have been okay, but yeah,

1494
01:05:51,079 --> 01:05:53,039
they just handled it very very poorly.

1495
01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 4: Holy shit.

1496
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 5: And is that why I believe it was because they

1497
01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:01,719
know they had different beliefs on I think that I

1498
01:06:01,719 --> 01:06:05,280
think it was like the New Testament something religious.

1499
01:06:05,679 --> 01:06:07,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's something like that because they all they also

1500
01:06:07,679 --> 01:06:10,719
just like refer to like if the baby is gonna

1501
01:06:10,719 --> 01:06:13,239
go to Hell because it's like, I don't know, because

1502
01:06:13,239 --> 01:06:15,639
they're not born, it's not born out of wedlock. But

1503
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:17,920
she makes some sort of comment about like is the

1504
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,079
baby in hell? Like almost insinuating because they say.

1505
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 2: It wasn't baptized.

1506
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,559
Speaker 1: I thought, right, that's what it was. Right. So that's

1507
01:06:24,599 --> 01:06:27,199
the situation where because you could go and say, oh,

1508
01:06:27,199 --> 01:06:29,239
if he was baptized, maybe knowing this would have happened,

1509
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,320
Like I'm saying, like, they're probably playing in their head.

1510
01:06:31,719 --> 01:06:33,960
So that's where there's another thing where I feel like

1511
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:37,599
they read into they're being punished for they're just back

1512
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:40,400
away from certain religious aspects, right, And it's like, uh,

1513
01:06:40,639 --> 01:06:43,119
you probably because even then, like when the dad makes

1514
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:46,199
that prayer, he says like take me and the mom,

1515
01:06:46,239 --> 01:06:48,079
but at least just like save the kids. So like

1516
01:06:48,679 --> 01:06:50,599
there's part of him that probably thinks that because they

1517
01:06:50,639 --> 01:06:53,519
win against the oh Holy, this is being brought down

1518
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:54,320
upon them. Right.

1519
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 6: So it just seems like throughout there they're all very religious,

1520
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,559
like like they're all praying like before or they eat

1521
01:07:00,719 --> 01:07:03,519
and like doing all those things that in my mind

1522
01:07:03,519 --> 01:07:05,400
seems like religious people. So I was just a little

1523
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,719
bit confused because I feel like maybe I wasn't as

1524
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,719
intently focusing when they were having like the council and

1525
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,599
then when he was just getting sent out, and remember

1526
01:07:13,639 --> 01:07:15,480
the dad kind of shit talking.

1527
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,559
Speaker 2: Them like you guys, you guys suck. What do we

1528
01:07:17,559 --> 01:07:18,079
want to be here.

1529
01:07:18,119 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 6: We'll go big paraphrase there, but yeah, it's definitely not my.

1530
01:07:22,599 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 1: Robert fucking suck get the ship right out of here,

1531
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:33,760
just making Fineapple Express over here, Robert Eggers, Kirkling, what

1532
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:34,599
you drop in here?

1533
01:07:35,559 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 2: Are you done?

1534
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:36,199
Speaker 3: Taylor?

1535
01:07:36,239 --> 01:07:38,079
Speaker 2: I kind of jumped in, Yeah, go for it.

1536
01:07:39,199 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1537
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:42,679
Speaker 6: This one's tricky because I don't really think there's much

1538
01:07:42,719 --> 01:07:46,199
wrong with this film, like other than just some grotesque scenes,

1539
01:07:46,239 --> 01:07:49,039
but I think they add to the overall you know

1540
01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:51,480
what they're going for with the which folk tale aspect

1541
01:07:51,559 --> 01:07:55,559
to it. I guess maybe something that I would improve

1542
01:07:55,639 --> 01:07:58,519
on if I had to coach Robert Eggers on how

1543
01:07:58,559 --> 01:08:04,400
to be a better director.

1544
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: That one movie. And he's like, you know what, Robert,

1545
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,000
you know we didn't. You didn't we didn't have a

1546
01:08:06,039 --> 01:08:08,480
scene where someone was pinned down and they they reach

1547
01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:09,800
for something. You know.

1548
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,719
Speaker 6: I think it's more so just maybe like have more

1549
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:17,279
ambiguity on like if it is not actually more yeah,

1550
01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:19,600
because I think the end makes it pretty clear of

1551
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,239
like okay, they're actually as witches, and but like I

1552
01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:25,920
also maybe those scenes taken out, so I don't know,

1553
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:26,840
maybe I wouldn't give that.

1554
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: Again, don't you think she could just come across a

1555
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,600
group of naked women. She's hallucinating. Even at the end,

1556
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:35,439
I guess, So, I guess my last factory had her five.

1557
01:08:35,239 --> 01:08:37,079
Speaker 3: Minutes away from their house that they've been living in.

1558
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 1: Well it's empty now. Even at the end though, if

1559
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:41,399
you go back and watch it, the last show of

1560
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,039
the movie is her floating up. There's no one buyer

1561
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:45,119
to her alone.

1562
01:08:46,039 --> 01:08:47,600
Speaker 2: Well, they flew ahead of her, that's why.

1563
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: Okay, sure, yeah you could say that, but like I'm

1564
01:08:50,039 --> 01:08:51,960
just saying, like the final show of the movie is

1565
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,439
Aya entrees behind her. It's not they could easily put

1566
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,399
more witches by side. Even just seeing little hands, it's

1567
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,479
just Onya. So that's where it's like anna thing for me.

1568
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,960
It's like it's still left up like either she it's

1569
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:04,920
all on her fucking mind or whatever the case is.

1570
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,039
She could just be like seeing like, oh yeah there's

1571
01:09:08,079 --> 01:09:10,560
other witches there, that's my coven. But it's like, why

1572
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:12,439
aren't they be signing her again? Why didn't she talk

1573
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,239
to or see that witch has been hunting her family again?

1574
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:17,439
So I'm surprised you need more AMBI bigody.

1575
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 6: I think I think it's more so like Okay, when's

1576
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,920
Black Philips speaking to her and like you see the

1577
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:25,000
devil grab her shoulder, It's like it's not really up

1578
01:09:25,039 --> 01:09:26,640
for antiguity there. But I guess you can make the

1579
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,760
counter argument that it is just more corn affecting her brain, right,

1580
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:34,560
more moldy corn. So everybody fair counter argument there.

1581
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 2: But I still think this is top top.

1582
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 6: Quality film, especially like if I ever have to recommend

1583
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,000
a Witch movie to someone, I'd recommend this if.

1584
01:09:42,119 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 2: They want a true Witch experience.

1585
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 6: No Halloween Town bullshit, No Wizards of Waving Your Place

1586
01:09:47,039 --> 01:09:49,319
or Harry Potter five year olds.

1587
01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:51,560
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna watch hooks. Focus. No, we're watching the Witch.

1588
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 6: We're watching the Witch, and everyone's focusing on pausing, if

1589
01:09:55,039 --> 01:09:57,199
your eyes, taking phones, nothing.

1590
01:09:58,520 --> 01:09:58,560
Speaker 1: No.

1591
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,560
Speaker 6: I I think like I want to give it a

1592
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,239
perfect score because I just don't see much wrong with it.

1593
01:10:04,319 --> 01:10:07,279
I think I think I'm gonna have to ten ten

1594
01:10:07,399 --> 01:10:10,000
for this movie. Yeah, which is crazy for where I

1595
01:10:10,079 --> 01:10:12,279
was the first viewing of never wanting to see this again.

1596
01:10:12,359 --> 01:10:16,279
So thank you God Loves the sixty nine for pitching

1597
01:10:16,319 --> 01:10:16,720
this one.

1598
01:10:17,119 --> 01:10:20,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, all voted, I am with you there where I

1599
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,279
think it's like I don't want to say, like an

1600
01:10:22,319 --> 01:10:24,079
me in the middle, because I feel like my enjoyment

1601
01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:25,960
level is like a nine, because I said, like, this

1602
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,000
is not a movie I'll put on all time. I

1603
01:10:28,039 --> 01:10:29,439
need to be in the right mood. I'll take a

1604
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:32,560
break here. But like on a craftsmanship, it's like a ten.

1605
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:34,159
So like you should go, oh, well that's the nine

1606
01:10:34,159 --> 01:10:37,079
point five. But for this one, I'm giving you both scores.

1607
01:10:37,079 --> 01:10:39,600
I usually like to com buying them. No, my enjoyments

1608
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,720
the nine, my as just as the film's like yeah,

1609
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,960
I and again now that I have this is the

1610
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,760
third time I've watched it, and each time it's like, man,

1611
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:49,479
this gets better and better. And that's the good thing

1612
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:52,279
about stuff like this or Hereditary, like some of these

1613
01:10:52,319 --> 01:10:55,119
deeper horror films that it takes and that's why, like

1614
01:10:55,159 --> 01:10:57,039
I fucking love the Shining, you know, like it's these

1615
01:10:57,279 --> 01:10:59,439
these films that just fester with you, but each time

1616
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:03,039
you watch them, it gets stronger and stronger, just stays consistent.

1617
01:11:03,079 --> 01:11:06,359
And that's what's been very good that stuff like even Hereditary,

1618
01:11:06,359 --> 01:11:08,159
when I watch the first time, I don't love as much.

1619
01:11:08,159 --> 01:11:10,840
Everybody And now, okay, that's close to a ten, or

1620
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:12,640
is a ten and that's where this is. And uh,

1621
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:14,359
I'm not sure I'll be on the fourth watch because

1622
01:11:14,359 --> 01:11:15,920
now I feel like we've talked about a few more

1623
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,199
things I didn't even think about, or just different perspectives,

1624
01:11:18,199 --> 01:11:21,600
and those are the best type of films. That's that's

1625
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,520
something and Agres does a good job of that. Maybe

1626
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:26,079
they don't always hit as much because like I think

1627
01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:28,119
Lighthouse doesn't have as much as that, but you are

1628
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,239
lighthouses like that too. Northman's not really Northman's a very

1629
01:11:31,319 --> 01:11:35,119
clean cut revenge tale, right, so, and I'm very curious

1630
01:11:35,119 --> 01:11:36,720
what Nosaratu is gonna be like because I feel like

1631
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:39,239
that's gonna be a very clean cut, like there's a

1632
01:11:39,319 --> 01:11:43,479
vampire fucking yeah, like there is, but I wonder I

1633
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,119
feel like he's just gonna like this vampire is fucking

1634
01:11:46,119 --> 01:11:48,840
this town up and here we go. But you never know, right.

1635
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,159
Speaker 6: So watching this, I'm like, Oh, there's gonna be some

1636
01:11:51,199 --> 01:11:53,520
disgusting scenes in os Feradu guarantee.

1637
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:57,319
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely absolutely. I'm very talk about that curl and

1638
01:11:57,319 --> 01:11:59,720
the nipple. I'm very worried about crol on the other

1639
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:03,399
nip we have Bill Scars guards not for a tu

1640
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:07,520
on a nippo because like a nippo Because when that

1641
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,119
last trailer and she's talking about like you can't fuck

1642
01:12:10,199 --> 01:12:12,039
me like him, I'm like, what like that means we're

1643
01:12:12,039 --> 01:12:13,920
getting as for aw to sex sy and it's gonna

1644
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:17,199
be fucking something. I'm telling you it's it's not gonna

1645
01:12:17,239 --> 01:12:19,680
be good, but it's gonna be good. But uh yeah

1646
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:22,439
we will. As we've said before, if you're listening there,

1647
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:24,720
there will not be a no for aught to review

1648
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,560
right away because that is on Christmas, but whether it's

1649
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:32,199
golden because I guess it's technically in uh twenty twenty four,

1650
01:12:32,239 --> 01:12:33,880
so we'll probably tell them for gold geeks, so yeah,

1651
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,399
look out for it then. But yes, thank you everybody

1652
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,079
voted and God loves me six Steine for giving this

1653
01:12:39,319 --> 01:12:41,720
to us to talk about. Hope everyone has a happy

1654
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,960
Halloween and this enjoyed this, And yeah, if you haven't

1655
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,159
watched this, I guess we spoil everything, so you shouldn't

1656
01:12:47,159 --> 01:12:49,520
have done that. But until then it won't be boring.

1657
01:12:50,239 --> 01:12:50,279
Y