1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: Way you were listening to Petlife Radio dot com. 2 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: Well, good morning, We're good afternoon, whatever the case may be, 3 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,039 here on this glorious Sunday morning. You're here with doctor 4 00:00:30,079 --> 00:00:32,200 Jeff Werber, your host for the next thirty minutes on 5 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,920 Asktabet's with Doctor Jeff. You're on pet Life Radio once again, 6 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,719 here at the North American veter Night Conference here Orlando, 7 00:00:38,759 --> 00:00:41,560 Florida live and sitting with me is a guest we 8 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,560 had on just a couple of weeks ago, Doctor Dan 9 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,640 and mcbattie also here attending the conference. 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Having finished a lot of the indocrint issues, 33 00:01:47,519 --> 00:01:49,599 we wanted to start to get into some different organ 34 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,840 systems that seem to present problems. But about a few 35 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,359 weeks before that, we were talking about Lap of Love 36 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,560 and doctor Danny mcbetdie's company, which is home euth in 37 00:01:58,599 --> 00:02:02,120 Asia Touch talking about the process eth and asia. And interestingly, 38 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,640 this week mine had a very interesting case and I 39 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,599 actually got a call from an officer of the Department 40 00:02:09,599 --> 00:02:13,240 of Animal Regulation in Los Angeles because he received a complaint, 41 00:02:13,319 --> 00:02:17,400 interestingly from another veterinarian, which I thought surprised me a lot. 42 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,879 The complaint was that they had this woman doctor, this 43 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,759 veterinarian had seen a dog that she had been treating 44 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:28,039 with rehab rehabilitation, and they noticed a sore, an open 45 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,800 wound on the dog. Who's interesting is this dog was 46 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:35,759 fifteen year old, a Dalmatian that was truly wasting away, 47 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,759 no doubt about it. It was a dying dog. And 48 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:43,840 this particular client just really refused to have their pet euthanized. 49 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,280 And we're going to talk about that with Danny in 50 00:02:45,319 --> 00:02:48,599 a minute, but they literally talk about hospice, and that's 51 00:02:48,599 --> 00:02:50,360 another thing that we need to talk about because this 52 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,000 is an up and coming field in veteran medicine and 53 00:02:53,039 --> 00:02:55,120 we want you to know about it. They were doing 54 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,400 hospice to the best degree. They had hired a nurse 55 00:02:58,439 --> 00:03:00,800 to be with the dog all day. They were hand feeding, 56 00:03:01,039 --> 00:03:03,319 they were getting a dog up and walking it outside, 57 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,680 was eating like crazy, normal stool. It was just wasting 58 00:03:06,719 --> 00:03:10,280 way because of age. I'm sure cancer somewhere, maybe severe 59 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,199 heart disease somewhere. But we're doing everything and their power 60 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,159 as a veterinarian would want to. And by the way, 61 00:03:16,199 --> 00:03:18,000 the owner, one of the owners was a physician to 62 00:03:18,039 --> 00:03:21,759 alleviate suffering and pain, which with the medications it was on. 63 00:03:22,159 --> 00:03:25,560 They were doing a great job. So the dog finally passed. Interestingly, 64 00:03:25,719 --> 00:03:27,960 two days later, after I got the call, I spoke 65 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,319 to the officer for the Department of Animal Regulation, told 66 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,759 them what was going on, my involvement, what they were doing, 67 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,360 what we were doing. He was cool. He just wanted 68 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,280 me to check in with them every two weeks. So 69 00:03:36,719 --> 00:03:39,400 with that intro, first of all, any of you who 70 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,840 want to know more, when do people elect for hospice? 71 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:47,080 Why do pet parents elect for hospice? And to talk 72 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,639 more about it, Danny, let's talk about hospice versus we 73 00:03:49,639 --> 00:03:51,639 talked a lot about euthanasia. What about hospice. 74 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,199 Speaker 3: It is not about extending suffering, that's not the point 75 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,919 of it. But the point is to actually provide palliative care. 76 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:03,080 And palliative is our medical word for comfort oriented, not curative. Right, 77 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,280 So we're not trying to cure the condition anymore. We're 78 00:04:05,319 --> 00:04:06,879 not trying to cure old age. 79 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:07,479 Speaker 2: I no way. 80 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 3: One of our tox is the seminar is old age 81 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,759 is not a disease, but as sure as a killer, right, 82 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,520 so our pets don't die, you know, the old age 83 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,480 isn't a disease, but yeah, it is going to eventually 84 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,120 kind of take their life, just like you know for 85 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:19,800 a lot of us it'll be the same too. So 86 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,879 veterinary hospice is much different from human hospice, as is 87 00:04:22,959 --> 00:04:26,399 venteringoncology and everything else. But it's cured towards managing the 88 00:04:26,439 --> 00:04:29,160 symptoms such that the symptoms don't cause a decrease in 89 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,480 quality of life. We want to maintain quality of life 90 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,240 for as long as possible and as great as detail 91 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,879 as possible, such that the humanimal bond is also maintained, 92 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,920 and that pet gets to stay with the family. Family 93 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,839 is loving up on them, they have that time with them, 94 00:04:41,879 --> 00:04:43,759 and they can come to the decision if they come 95 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,319 to the decision, right if euthan asia is elected or 96 00:04:46,439 --> 00:04:47,639 natural death occurs. 97 00:04:47,959 --> 00:04:49,879 Speaker 2: Now, you know, given the fact that most of us 98 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:54,160 who practice know when it's time, why from your experience, 99 00:04:54,439 --> 00:04:57,639 why the main reasons for people to elect for hospice 100 00:04:57,759 --> 00:04:58,920 instead of euthanasia. 101 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,199 Speaker 3: It's fine, And Jeff, you've obviously been practicing for much 102 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,839 longer than I have, and you've been doing hospice. Well, 103 00:05:04,879 --> 00:05:08,399 you've been doing hospice for years. You know, we veterinarians, 104 00:05:08,399 --> 00:05:09,879 we have been doing hot We just haven't called it 105 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,120 hospice care, right, And that's the neat thing about it 106 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,800 about it coming because us humans have more and more 107 00:05:14,879 --> 00:05:17,240 experience with human hospice. Now we're asking for that for 108 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,879 our pet animals and our pet family members also. So 109 00:05:21,319 --> 00:05:23,480 now we're going to call it a hospice and what 110 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,120 that does. When I did emergency medicine, when I would 111 00:05:26,199 --> 00:05:29,040 say the word hospice to the families, you saw the 112 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,480 relief on their face. They got it, you know, they 113 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,040 got that. We're not curing anymore. I'm not the doctor 114 00:05:34,079 --> 00:05:35,879 saying there's nothing more I can do, go home, call 115 00:05:35,879 --> 00:05:37,680 me when you're ready to euthanize. No. I mean, that's 116 00:05:37,759 --> 00:05:40,279 like I've just completely left them on their own at 117 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,839 the most important and stressful moments of their life with 118 00:05:42,879 --> 00:05:44,600 their pets. So instead of saying go home, call me 119 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,240 when you're ready, there's nothing more I can do, there's 120 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,240 one more thing we can do. It's called hospice care. 121 00:05:48,439 --> 00:05:50,160 And we're going to manage the symptoms. You know, I'm 122 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,639 not going to manage the disease per se, but the 123 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,959 actual symptoms that are causing the quality of life to 124 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,079 be decreased. And taking those symptoms and making sure that 125 00:05:58,319 --> 00:05:59,560 human animal bonds stayed there. 126 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 2: One of the probably the most common, and made a 127 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,279 really good point that many practicing veterinarians have been doing 128 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,360 this for years, just not calling it that. But here's 129 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,639 here's the classic scenario. Dog is diagnosed with something really terminal. 130 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,279 There's no doubt in the owner's mind that it's time. 131 00:06:14,519 --> 00:06:16,560 But they have a child, for example, who might be 132 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,839 a way at college, who grew up with this pet, 133 00:06:18,879 --> 00:06:23,160 and it was extremely bonded, extremely attached. So they answered, doctor, 134 00:06:23,199 --> 00:06:25,959 we definitely we agree that it's time that our son 135 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,120 or our daughter is coming home to say goodbye to 136 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,319 the pet. Is there anything we can do over the 137 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,680 next couple of days, and there are a lot of 138 00:06:32,759 --> 00:06:34,639 things that we can do. Yeah, absolutely, So let's talk 139 00:06:34,639 --> 00:06:35,319 about some of those. 140 00:06:35,439 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 3: So we do I mean almost anything you could almost 141 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,279 anything you can do in the clinic, we can do 142 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,879 in the home. You know, it's particularly under the hospice realm. 143 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,839 So again, we're not trying to cure this pet. Well, 144 00:06:44,879 --> 00:06:47,720 let's say we even have fluid on the lungs I've done. 145 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,959 You know, thrastocentisis in the home. You can stick a 146 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,480 needle in there and you can pull up the fluid. 147 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,040 Now all of a sudden, that pet can breathe better 148 00:06:54,199 --> 00:06:57,040 oxygen in the home, pulling fluid off the abdomen, if 149 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,959 that's causing pain and discomfort in the abdomen. Obviously, was 150 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,319 the number one thing that someone is going to ask 151 00:07:02,319 --> 00:07:03,639 you towards end of life? What do they want to say? 152 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 2: Why do they want to pain? And is comfort? Yeah? Exactly? 153 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 3: The number one thing they're going to say is I 154 00:07:07,959 --> 00:07:09,680 just don't want them to suffer? Right, So we talk 155 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,120 about what the definition of suffering is and my definition 156 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,839 and inability to think or do anything other than address 157 00:07:14,839 --> 00:07:16,879 it being here in so say, let's okay, suffering is 158 00:07:16,879 --> 00:07:19,920 not a sustained time and it can they can ebb 159 00:07:19,959 --> 00:07:22,160 and flow with the suffering. Obviously, that can happen. But 160 00:07:22,399 --> 00:07:24,680 pain management is number one, the number one thing we do. 161 00:07:24,759 --> 00:07:27,279 And I use pain management at a much higher level 162 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,480 than we do under normal circumstances. 163 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: Sure, because I mean typically a lot of the pain 164 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,000 medications we used to cause a lot of sedation and 165 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:37,240 who cares, you know, our goal here is provide comfort, 166 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,439 minimize any kind of suffering. When we take that their names, oh, 167 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:42,800 it is to minimize to prevent animal. 168 00:07:42,519 --> 00:07:45,759 Speaker 3: Suffering to relieve, right, animal suffering suffering. 169 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,079 Speaker 2: That's a difference. When you're you'ally with a young veterinarian, 170 00:07:48,199 --> 00:07:50,399 they remember the results by word for word by heart. 171 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,120 For the old guys, we just concept, you know, exactly 172 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,199 what we're supposed to do, but they not remember all 173 00:07:55,199 --> 00:07:58,000 the names for the words. Yeah. 174 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,959 Speaker 3: So pain management is the number one thing that we do. 175 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:05,160 That's the number one symptom, right, you know, And there's pain, hunger, hydration, happiness, 176 00:08:05,399 --> 00:08:07,360 you know, and mobility. This are the five most common 177 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,319 symptoms that we want to address. I go and I 178 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,560 talk to families about pain medicine, and every pain medicine 179 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,120 is different. You have to talk to your veterinarian about 180 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,240 what exactly your pet's on. But there are certain class 181 00:08:16,319 --> 00:08:18,079 of them that I tell families is like a glass 182 00:08:18,079 --> 00:08:20,360 of line. Sometimes you need one glass of line, sometimes 183 00:08:20,399 --> 00:08:22,120 you need two or three or four glasses of wine. 184 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:23,959 So whatever we need to give them so we help 185 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,879 them get through the night. Now, if we're doing five 186 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,519 glasses of wine for three nights in a row, we 187 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,000 have a quality of life issue, right, So that's completely different. 188 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,240 But we're managing pain. It is not a one size 189 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,320 fits all correct, not absolutely not. There are some medications 190 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,720 that is you give this, don't stop giving this, but 191 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:40,399 this other medication we can use when and house needed. Right. 192 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 2: But also what I find very instinct is my mom 193 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,120 passed three years ago and for her last several weeks 194 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:49,320 she was on hospice, and it was so interesting how 195 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:54,240 little her physicians knew about the differences in hospice care 196 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:55,519 versus medical care. 197 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,759 Speaker 3: It's totally different, absolutely, it really is. 198 00:08:57,799 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 2: And and talking to the hospit this doctor, an MD 199 00:09:01,159 --> 00:09:03,360 who specializes in this, there were so many things that 200 00:09:03,399 --> 00:09:07,080 were different in the case. For example, perfect example, you 201 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,960 have a person who is a little dehydrated and has 202 00:09:10,279 --> 00:09:14,720 certain organ dysfunctions and breakdowns. Well in clinical practice general 203 00:09:14,759 --> 00:09:17,360 typical clinical practice, one of the most important things we 204 00:09:17,399 --> 00:09:20,399 can do for this patient is hydration via ivy fluids. 205 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,200 But the rate as systems are breaking down, sometimes the 206 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,639 worst thing you can do for them is overhydrate them. 207 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,600 So what was good when they were healthy and healing, 208 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,240 or it was just an organ disease or an organized function, 209 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,679 now can become deadly. Those kidneys are starting to fail, 210 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,960 the lungs are starting to fail. The lungs are going 211 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:40,919 to be filling up with all that excess fluid. And 212 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,120 it's a much different rate when you're dealing with a 213 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,279 hospice patient than with a. 214 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 3: Normal Well, you're not treating a normal body anymore that body. 215 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:50,879 And I tell people all the time with this and 216 00:09:50,919 --> 00:09:53,799 we're providing hospice euthanasia like this is not a normal 217 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:55,559 is a situation or else you wouldn't be doing this 218 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,840 in the first place. Yeah, and anything that you can 219 00:09:57,879 --> 00:10:01,399 do can cause more harm to know exactly what you're doing, 220 00:10:01,399 --> 00:10:03,000 why are you doing it, what you're using it for? 221 00:10:03,159 --> 00:10:04,639 And yeah, it's completely different. 222 00:10:04,879 --> 00:10:07,879 Speaker 2: And I think that also a lot. For example, I 223 00:10:07,919 --> 00:10:11,720 think that the mindset has to change within our industry, 224 00:10:11,759 --> 00:10:15,000 within veterinarians, within your veterinarians, if you're out there listening 225 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,840 that it's okay. And I was not so much shocked 226 00:10:18,879 --> 00:10:21,159 that I got the call from the Department of out 227 00:10:21,159 --> 00:10:24,639 of Regulation. What did shock me is the veterinarian who 228 00:10:24,759 --> 00:10:28,919 called on this dog to complain without first researching a 229 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,679 little bit, finding out what they're doing, why they're doing it, 230 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,919 what are your reasons? Who can can a veterinarian make 231 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,919 a decision for their client about what the client needs 232 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,600 or should do with their pet. It's ultimately the best 233 00:10:41,639 --> 00:10:45,000 we can do as providers of care is to equip 234 00:10:45,039 --> 00:10:47,919 our clients with as much information as we can, but 235 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:49,919 ultimately the decision is theirs. 236 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 3: We advocate for the pet right and we partner with 237 00:10:52,519 --> 00:10:53,159 the family right. 238 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 2: That's right. 239 00:10:53,759 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 3: Advocate for the pet and partner with the family because 240 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,720 in the end that pet really does, in the eyes 241 00:10:57,759 --> 00:10:59,399 of the law, belong to the family. 242 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 243 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 3: All we can do is be there to say this 244 00:11:01,799 --> 00:11:04,080 is what's best via our knowledge, our experience, all this 245 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:05,759 stuff is best. And it's funny, you know, we're talking 246 00:11:05,799 --> 00:11:08,000 about hospice care. There's also on the other end, you know, 247 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,320 treating there's a lot of medications that I take patients 248 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,879 off them. We don't need antibiotics anymore, right because you're 249 00:11:12,879 --> 00:11:16,039 completely killing their normal gut flora. Take them off antibiotics, 250 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,080 redo their heart or lung medications or I mean, there's 251 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:20,600 a lot of medications that I can take them off, 252 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,679 even human medicine, human hospice. When they go into hospice care, 253 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,480 they will actually say would you like us to take 254 00:11:26,519 --> 00:11:29,639 you off these medications? And a lot of times, especially 255 00:11:29,879 --> 00:11:32,159 some heart medications, not all of them, but some heart 256 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,080 medications cardiac admits, they take them off and the patients 257 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,159 get better. They get better for a certain period of time, 258 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:39,919 but then what happens at the end of that period 259 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,720 they crash very heart, which again is if you ask me, 260 00:11:42,799 --> 00:11:44,080 that's kind of how I would like to go, right, 261 00:11:44,159 --> 00:11:45,799 I want to get better, better, better, and then when 262 00:11:45,799 --> 00:11:47,519 I go down, I want it to go fast and 263 00:11:47,639 --> 00:11:49,720 good and you know, and it's fine. So we forget that. 264 00:11:49,759 --> 00:11:52,200 There are a lot of side effects on these medications 265 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,039 that we use, and a lot of them are procurative 266 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,440 reasons that are not for comfort reasons at that moment 267 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:57,440 like comfort. 268 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: Now right, we are at that halfway plan. I want 269 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:00,720 to hear from you, want to hear any of you 270 00:12:00,759 --> 00:12:02,360 and iasa I mentioned if you've been listening last couple 271 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,679 of weeks. I've had a miserable last month and a 272 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,320 half with two of my cats, and unfortunately, sadly, I 273 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,639 have a third one coming up. The good news of 274 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,960 having all these animals is, boy, I had a full 275 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,240 house of fun. And for the bad news is when 276 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:15,879 there a lot of them are old at the same time, 277 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,279 they seem to go a lot, you know, pretty close 278 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:19,879 to each other and it's really tough. I want to 279 00:12:19,879 --> 00:12:21,840 hear from you about any questions you might have for 280 00:12:21,919 --> 00:12:24,759 me or doctor Danny about youth in Asia. When's the 281 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,320 right time, what's science to look for? When we will 282 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,000 come back from our break, we're going to share our 283 00:12:29,039 --> 00:12:30,879 own feelings about that, but would love to hear from 284 00:12:30,919 --> 00:12:33,200 you once again. Eight seven seven three eight five eight 285 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,559 eight eight to two. 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That's good conference, isn't it It is. 342 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,919 Speaker 3: It's actually the largest conference in the world. 343 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: And that crazy. I mean, there are so many people here, 344 00:16:05,519 --> 00:16:07,919 it's unreal. And I hear that they're actually going to 345 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,879 be moving this conference in a couple of years. Very sad, Yeah, 346 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,320 because I kind of like it here. But yeah, we 347 00:16:13,399 --> 00:16:15,679 used to be here at the Marriotte World Center for 348 00:16:15,759 --> 00:16:17,639 years and I've been coming to this conference for almost 349 00:16:17,679 --> 00:16:20,879 thirty and then because it grew so much, there was 350 00:16:20,919 --> 00:16:23,200 another hotel called the Gaylord, and they've kind of split 351 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,279 it and their buses shuttle buses going back and forth, 352 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,639 and so we have a lot of the scientific sessions 353 00:16:28,639 --> 00:16:30,320 to the Gay Lord, a lot of the business and 354 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,639 technician sessions here at the Marriott and it's just a 355 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,000 packed house. Well, it's gotten so big, and they've had 356 00:16:37,039 --> 00:16:40,039 to have two exhibit halls, which is really difficult for 357 00:16:40,039 --> 00:16:42,039 a lot of the exhibitors because people that are going 358 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,320 to more of one session than another may not make 359 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,159 it over to an exhibit hall. So we're moving to 360 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,879 the Orlando Convention Center. Oh my, oh my, which you know, 361 00:16:49,919 --> 00:16:53,600 I get it, Yeah, because from a exhibitor standpoint session 362 00:16:53,639 --> 00:16:56,960 standpoint rooms, it's going to be great. However, the hotel 363 00:16:57,039 --> 00:17:00,159 situated there are not two hotels that can fit all 364 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,639 of us. The hotel situations have a different world would 365 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:04,440 be spread out all over the place, so it's gonna 366 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,200 make a difference. One thing about this conference, despite its size, 367 00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:11,559 it's always very homey, and we went, right, yeah it is. 368 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,759 So anyway we're here. Before the break, we were talking 369 00:17:14,759 --> 00:17:18,240 about obviously hospice, some of the differences in care, some 370 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,039 of the reasons why. And as I said, one of 371 00:17:21,079 --> 00:17:23,960 the number one reasons that I was providing hospice care 372 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,640 over the years was not that the client did not 373 00:17:26,799 --> 00:17:30,240 want to or know they needed to ultimately say goodbye. 374 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,200 It was a matter of timing. They needed just a 375 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:33,960 little more time. They want an extra day or two, 376 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,880 they wanted an extra week, whatever it was. That's from 377 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,920 a GPAT general practitioners standpoint. What else, what are some 378 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,480 of the other reasons why people want hospice instead of 379 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:43,279 you know. 380 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,319 Speaker 3: And sometimes they're just not ready, right, I mean, we 381 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,359 hear that all the time, and they whether or not 382 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,559 they're saying that they're not ready, if they're able to 383 00:17:49,559 --> 00:17:51,960 actually do a self introspection to say they're not ready, 384 00:17:52,039 --> 00:17:54,440 or they say it as my dog's not ready yet. 385 00:17:54,559 --> 00:17:56,880 As an I don't see that from them yet. And 386 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,519 so for whatever reason, gosh, there's more even it's kind 387 00:18:00,519 --> 00:18:02,960 of that is going to be extended or even shortened. Also, 388 00:18:03,079 --> 00:18:04,720 people are going out of town. I think we talked 389 00:18:04,759 --> 00:18:06,799 about this last time. If you're going out of town, 390 00:18:06,839 --> 00:18:08,319 your pet's going to be in a lot of stress 391 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,480 when you're leaving. And it's okay to say, how are 392 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,720 we going to make this decision before or after, or 393 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,319 how's that going to affect the choice. But we do 394 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,799 a lot of hospice for waiting for people to get 395 00:18:17,799 --> 00:18:21,559 home A lot of times, you know, mom, dad, brother, sister, son, daughter, 396 00:18:21,559 --> 00:18:23,200 they're getting in from out of town, and can we 397 00:18:23,319 --> 00:18:25,880 just get an oxygen mask on them for twelve to 398 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,759 twenty four or forty eight hours, just until we can 399 00:18:27,799 --> 00:18:30,039 get them them through so that you know, this gonna 400 00:18:30,039 --> 00:18:31,880 member can say goodbye. And I think that that's a 401 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,279 completely heroic reason to do that. There's absolutely nothing wrong 402 00:18:35,279 --> 00:18:37,519 with that. I'm a doctor, right, I can manage the medicine. 403 00:18:37,759 --> 00:18:40,279 I got the medicine. So let's manage this as good 404 00:18:40,279 --> 00:18:41,720 as we can and tell the family's ready. 405 00:18:41,799 --> 00:18:44,319 Speaker 2: You know. I often also well, I can tell a 406 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,400 lot of clients, and we tend to do this, and 407 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,000 it's not always bad, by the way. In fact, because 408 00:18:49,039 --> 00:18:53,279 of this particular trait we called anthropomorphizing, where we put 409 00:18:53,279 --> 00:18:56,119 our own values in the animal. We often tell people 410 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,799 don't anthromorphize. Don't just because you feel that we don't 411 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,799 project out onto your pet. I think your pet's going 412 00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:03,400 to feel that way too. But now that we're learning 413 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,920 so much about pets emotions and interesting, a brand new 414 00:19:08,079 --> 00:19:10,799 field that is sort of going to be hitting the internet. 415 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,079 You'll be hearing more about it. We're going to be 416 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:13,720 talking about it in the future on our show. Here 417 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,960 is fear and anxiety and how it affects pets, and 418 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,759 we are looking now more towards their emotional well being, 419 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,279 not physical well being, but actually emotional well being because 420 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:29,559 of our anthemomorphizing and realizing. Wait a second, there's something there. 421 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,319 We don't understand them because they can't communicate with us. 422 00:19:33,519 --> 00:19:36,039 They can't use their words. So now we're learning to 423 00:19:36,079 --> 00:19:38,319 read their cues. And it's so interesting. 424 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 3: They don't communicate with us in English, communicate with us 425 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:45,240 in nine exactly. And I tell people, I'm like, you 426 00:19:45,279 --> 00:19:48,359 can't expect your pet to grieve like a human grieves 427 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,119 your pet. You know dog is going to grieve a 428 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,319 dog greeve, right, You know dog is going to feel sad. 429 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,400 A dog sad. It's not a human sad. It's a 430 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:55,680 dog sad and still sad. 431 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 2: Right. 432 00:19:56,279 --> 00:19:59,319 Speaker 3: But yeah, and you are literally a pediatrician, right, we 433 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,480 are a petatrician, and your kids do not. I hated 434 00:20:02,519 --> 00:20:04,720 going to the nutritian stop. I hated it, even though 435 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,680 I hate taking my kids. You know, it's more stressful 436 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,759 for me, right, well, I mean I interpreted it is. 437 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:10,559 But of course I'm so scared for them because I 438 00:20:10,599 --> 00:20:11,319 know what that feels like. 439 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 2: Right. So yeah, But oftentimes I find myself staying to 440 00:20:14,279 --> 00:20:16,680 a client that we get to a point in care, 441 00:20:17,079 --> 00:20:19,039 especially towards the end of life, and I'll stay to 442 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:22,240 the client understand, and I understand that I'm treating you, 443 00:20:22,599 --> 00:20:25,440 not the pet. That a lot of times clients aren't ready. 444 00:20:25,599 --> 00:20:27,519 They know it's inevitable, they know it's coming soon, but 445 00:20:27,599 --> 00:20:28,480 they're just not ready. 446 00:20:28,559 --> 00:20:31,039 Speaker 3: That was literally my very first hospice case I ever had, 447 00:20:31,559 --> 00:20:33,640 very very very first, when I had just started laugh 448 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,200 of love and I went and we did it as 449 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,400 a cat in renal failure. Her name was Ali. It 450 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,279 was a male cat. It was Ali cat, which is 451 00:20:39,279 --> 00:20:41,480 where she got Ali from. And at the end, I 452 00:20:41,519 --> 00:20:43,279 did a couple of past disappointments. And then I went 453 00:20:43,319 --> 00:20:45,599 to the Euthenasian. She's funny, she actually she stood there. 454 00:20:45,599 --> 00:20:47,640 She goes, Okay, I'm not saying this for real, but 455 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,079 I'm just going to say, just a practice, Okay, I'm ready. 456 00:20:50,279 --> 00:20:52,440 She would practice saying that, Okay, I'm ready. And then 457 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,799 after the Euthenasians said, Danny, you know you not only 458 00:20:54,799 --> 00:20:56,680 treated my pet, you treated me too. But it is 459 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,279 there's so much of that that goes on, right. 460 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 2: You know, there are a number of states now I 461 00:21:00,279 --> 00:21:03,079 think five or six that actually allow for what we 462 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:07,720 call assistant suicide, and in animals, we have had this luxury, 463 00:21:07,759 --> 00:21:10,480 this gift to be able to provide euthanasia, which is 464 00:21:10,519 --> 00:21:13,960 a pain free way to say goodbye. And so we're 465 00:21:14,039 --> 00:21:16,920 learning as well from a lot of our states are learning. 466 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,519 And it would have been so great to have had 467 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,880 more choices for people. But one of the things that 468 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,559 we are able to do is to provide that care, okay, 469 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,960 And yet there are still people that don't want it, 470 00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:34,279 and I think it's for their own philosophical reasons. I think, interestingly, 471 00:21:34,319 --> 00:21:35,480 the case that I just had. 472 00:21:35,519 --> 00:21:37,599 Speaker 3: For human reasons, for humans. 473 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 2: No for animals too. They just don't believe. And that 474 00:21:41,079 --> 00:21:43,759 was another reason. They just don't believe it that it's 475 00:21:43,839 --> 00:21:46,440 up to us to play god and to make that decision. 476 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,400 For the same reason that many cultures, we will not 477 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,640 allow it the people because it's the natural way. What 478 00:21:52,759 --> 00:21:56,640 this family wanted was their dog to pass the natural way. Right? 479 00:21:56,799 --> 00:21:57,839 Speaker 3: But what does that mean? 480 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 2: Right? 481 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,559 Speaker 3: But do you want to say, like your york isn't natural, 482 00:22:02,599 --> 00:22:06,240 your bulldog isn't natural? Nature is a lion coming and 483 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,720 get in when they're not contributing to the pack anymore. 484 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,240 I love people like I want them to guide to 485 00:22:10,319 --> 00:22:11,680 die naturally. I want them go to sleep and not 486 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,480 wake back up. Okay, go to sleep and not wake 487 00:22:13,519 --> 00:22:13,799 back up. 488 00:22:13,839 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 2: That's what I do. 489 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 3: I guarantee that with euthanasia, right, But if you want 490 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,480 your pet to die naturally, that's not what we're doing. 491 00:22:19,519 --> 00:22:21,960 Food and water, they're every whim bring up through the nose, 492 00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:25,599 you know, the wounds cared for and everything that's unnatural. 493 00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 2: But they feel so they wanted to. When that heart 494 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,359 finally stopped, when they finally took that last breath, it 495 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:37,400 was not them, right, There's a certain guilt that people have. 496 00:22:37,599 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 3: I know, what do they say all the time, like 497 00:22:39,279 --> 00:22:42,240 when we're in euthanasia, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry. 498 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,160 I'm like, no, I don't say you're sorry. It's okay, 499 00:22:44,279 --> 00:22:47,039 but as veterinarians, you know that's what we have to 500 00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:49,759 get over. Also, right, we are the ones pushing that plunger. 501 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,440 I say, I'm not going to do this unless I 502 00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:54,559 also believe in what we are doing. Not what you're doing. Family, 503 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,240 You're not doing it. We are doing it together. You 504 00:22:57,279 --> 00:22:59,079 know the pet from that, I know the pet from 505 00:22:59,079 --> 00:23:00,960 the medical works to get the other. We're making that choice, 506 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,160 and then we're going to we're going forward. 507 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:03,759 Speaker 2: That was an interesting point that I made with the 508 00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:05,640 officer that called me. I said, you know, I had 509 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,039 a case early on in my career. It haunts me 510 00:23:08,079 --> 00:23:10,200 to this day. It's been over thirty years, and it 511 00:23:10,319 --> 00:23:12,759 was a situation where a lady came in with a dog. 512 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,480 It was a seven year old, pretty healthy mine a 513 00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:18,279 problem problems, but a pretty healthy Cocker Spaniel, and she 514 00:23:18,319 --> 00:23:21,400 wanted to put it to sleep, and I was not ready. 515 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,799 I didn't think this dog mus could put to sleep. 516 00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:24,440 I tried everything I could to not let her to 517 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,039 do it, and I did it anyway because she wanted 518 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:29,400 to be there, and she insisted on being there. Now 519 00:23:29,519 --> 00:23:32,200 I am much more bold and comfortable in my own skin. 520 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,160 I said, no, no, no, if you want this dog just 521 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,920 to be able to go someplace else, So I said 522 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,519 to the officer, I said, do I as a veterinarian, 523 00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:41,039 can I dictate? Can the owner who owns that pet? 524 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,640 That owner dictated to me she wanted to have that 525 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,960 pet put to sleep. Whatever her reasons were, I disagreed 526 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,079 with them. She had reasoning, but I disagreed. But whatever 527 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,440 I said, I can't, they can't. It's their choice, so 528 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:53,799 reverse it now. 529 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,559 Speaker 3: But it's her choice to ask for it. 530 00:23:56,799 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 2: But you don't have to, right, absolutely absolutely so with 531 00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:02,079 this family, I said, we on the other side couldn't 532 00:24:02,079 --> 00:24:04,759 recommend it till we're blue in the face. But it's 533 00:24:04,839 --> 00:24:08,240 ultimately their choice as long as they were taking the 534 00:24:08,319 --> 00:24:12,880 necessary attempts and practices to relieve that suffering, which they 535 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,240 clearly were. So you know, when I talked to this offshot, 536 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,279 I even said, you understand, I'm on your side. I 537 00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:21,240 would bet ninety nine percent, ninety nine point nine percent 538 00:24:21,559 --> 00:24:24,279 of veteran care professionals on the planet would be telling 539 00:24:24,319 --> 00:24:27,680 them it's time, would be recommending it's time, but not 540 00:24:27,759 --> 00:24:30,000 our choice. It's their choice. So the best we can 541 00:24:30,039 --> 00:24:31,839 do and then the best they're doing. And they know it. 542 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,920 As they said, he was a physician, he knew it 543 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,640 is everything he could do to run the suffering. But 544 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,920 it was, you know, it was almost like God's way. 545 00:24:38,319 --> 00:24:41,720 That literally two days after that conversation and two days 546 00:24:41,759 --> 00:24:44,160 after the visit with the animal control and so other 547 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,160 veterinarian who made the complain, she finally passed. Yeah, so 548 00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:48,960 you know, amazing, it is amazing. 549 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,839 Speaker 3: So there was a lot of me telling of the story. 550 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,799 So I was doing emergency medicine, is working, and the 551 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,640 woman came in with the fourteen year old cat had diabetes, 552 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,480 and she came in and she said, I need to 553 00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:00,759 have my cat euthanized, and this is emergency. So we 554 00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:03,480 have no relationship with them, right because is the first 555 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,920 time we've ever met them. And it was so incredible. 556 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,480 The other veterinarian that was on with being refused to youthanize. 557 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,640 The woman walked out. She ended up letting her cat 558 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,440 out of the carrier and the cat ran across the street. 559 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,799 You know, something probably happened after that, But that's the 560 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,480 ramifications of us not going and understanding what's going on. 561 00:25:18,519 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 2: In the right and I think we do. That's our 562 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,039 job is to work is best we can with these clients. 563 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,960 Best we can do is educate them. It's like anything 564 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,400 with a disease, treating a disease. The more they know, 565 00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:27,920 the better decisions they can make. 566 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:28,519 Speaker 3: That's what we're here for. 567 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 2: So anyway, it is that time. Boy goes fast. So 568 00:25:32,279 --> 00:25:34,400 I want to thank once again doctor Danny mcgetdie, our 569 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,240 guest from Lap of Love Veteranic Care Ventery Hospice, and 570 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,079 we will be here well, I'll be here next week 571 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,960 same that time here on pet Life Radio at noon 572 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:49,039 Eastern at nine Pacific and anything in between. And have 573 00:25:49,079 --> 00:25:50,880 a great week. 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