1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: What is up Fellasiko's I Am Dana Valley coming at 2 00:00:08,599 --> 00:00:12,599 you once more with more Jensen of the NBA Podcast, 3 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,839 Fame of Yahoo Sports, Fame of HBO, Max Fame, and. 4 00:00:16,879 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 2: Of course also onlyfan celebrity. 5 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk what we think are gonna be the 6 00:00:22,679 --> 00:00:28,000 most interesting rookie extension discussions happening this coming offseason. Just 7 00:00:28,039 --> 00:00:30,239 a good time with so much as we're recording this 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,240 March madness is going on. There's a lot of March 9 00:00:32,359 --> 00:00:34,880 NBA basketball going on, you might say too, and so 10 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,280 this will be a nice little look ahead. In primer, 11 00:00:37,359 --> 00:00:40,520 we're we're not going through everyone who's eligible. We're focusing 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,079 on the first round picks, and we're just picking what 13 00:00:43,119 --> 00:00:45,600 we think are gonna be the most fascinating case studies 14 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,920 from a price point. While they get it, it does 15 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:52,479 seem like this class mort has one no brainer Max, 16 00:00:52,719 --> 00:00:55,240 unless there's like I'm sure some people might throw another 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,039 name in there, but I only have Wemby as that 18 00:00:58,079 --> 00:01:00,719 no brainer guy. But first and foremost, before we get started, 19 00:01:00,759 --> 00:01:03,000 how are you doing doing well? 20 00:01:03,119 --> 00:01:06,359 Speaker 3: Doing well? We are going to be talking today because 21 00:01:06,359 --> 00:01:08,840 I'm just going to talk about him, about one of 22 00:01:08,879 --> 00:01:11,439 my favorite players in the NBA who flies a little 23 00:01:11,439 --> 00:01:13,439 bit under the radar I think, but not of late 24 00:01:13,879 --> 00:01:15,719 so and he's probably going to be in the West 25 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,120 section of this and that's Bryce sense A bak So. 26 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,719 I'm looking forward to talking about him and his extension number. 27 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,159 Speaker 1: I was, I was hoping that you were going to 28 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,120 be a Chris Murray guy, and maybe you were really 29 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:26,280 holding out hope for uh. 30 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 3: I like Chris, fine, but yeah, I like people who 31 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:37,599 can score the basketball too. 32 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,879 Speaker 1: So why don't you start us off. We'll begin with 33 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,719 some of the Eastern Conference guys. Who do you want 34 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:42,239 to talk about? 35 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 2: First? 36 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:48,239 Speaker 3: Brandon Miller is such a good name because I yeah, like, look, 37 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:53,680 he is formidable, right, like six', nine one of those 38 00:01:53,799 --> 00:01:56,480 rare guard or rare players who can play the off 39 00:01:56,519 --> 00:01:59,280 guard position but also in a pinch play as a fore. 40 00:01:59,359 --> 00:02:03,560 Man like those guys to, me are extremely valuable due 41 00:02:03,599 --> 00:02:06,319 to their positional, fluidity the fact that he can shoot 42 00:02:06,319 --> 00:02:08,280 the ball to the extent that he, can that he 43 00:02:08,319 --> 00:02:10,120 starts to get into the post a little bit more 44 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,840 like his offensive EVOLUTION i think is. Real. Now WHAT 45 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,000 i wonder is from the side of The hornets is 46 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,800 like you Have, LaMelo you have Conkoin. Nipple, Obviously Brandon 47 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,560 miller is. There you probably are going to make another 48 00:02:25,719 --> 00:02:28,280 draft pick at some, point which could pop because they're 49 00:02:28,439 --> 00:02:30,639 they'd become good. Drafters like you have to take that into, 50 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,280 Account like maybe you get someone in the later station 51 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,719 of the first round who's going to be really. Good, so, 52 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,919 like are you ready to commit a no NONSENSE max 53 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,520 contract To Brandon? MILLER i don't know the answer to that. 54 00:02:42,599 --> 00:02:45,319 QUESTION i think if we're looking at it through the 55 00:02:45,319 --> 00:02:50,280 prism of potential and strictly, POTENTIAL i wouldn't close the 56 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,039 door on A, max But i'd feel a lot better 57 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,879 if that max contra or not the max. Contract if 58 00:02:56,879 --> 00:03:00,360 that new contract the extension he gets is around twenty 59 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,439 percent of the cap instead of twenty. Five like people will, say, 60 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,879 oh five percent, More like that's just splitting, hairs it's really. 61 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:13,199 Not that's a lot of million. Indifference, Yeah and so 62 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,960 just for, CONTEXT i should have laid this out at the. 63 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,439 Speaker 1: Top is that a five year max for this rookie 64 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:24,719 class is gonna run two hundred and fifty two plus million? Dollars, 65 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:29,479 Yeah and then if you put in the ALL nba escalator, 66 00:03:29,599 --> 00:03:32,400 language you're looking at quite a bit more. Money whether 67 00:03:32,439 --> 00:03:35,159 that's past a three hundred million dollar threshold five, years 68 00:03:35,199 --> 00:03:38,159 three hundred and three point three million, dollars that's a 69 00:03:38,159 --> 00:03:41,120 lot OF i know we're dealing with percentages at the cellar, 70 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,159 cap but that's just that's the. Number once we get 71 00:03:44,199 --> 00:03:46,479 into the three hundred million, dollars that's, GONNA i, think 72 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,599 be the sticker mark threshold for. 73 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:49,439 Speaker 2: Me it's where It's. 74 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,639 Speaker 1: Oh and, so the only other Thing i'd add with 75 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,599 him about the fact that his play style is just 76 00:03:54,639 --> 00:03:57,479 he can fit in whatever type of offense it feels, 77 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,400 like and as you, said he's kind of broadened his. 78 00:03:59,439 --> 00:04:01,800 HORIZON i don't really know what to make of him 79 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:03,919 as a pastor just. YET i think the fact that 80 00:04:03,919 --> 00:04:05,759 he is such a scalable shooter is a big. DEAL 81 00:04:06,199 --> 00:04:09,759 i also think his defense is pretty, underrated and specifically 82 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,599 what he's able to do Against you mentioned his ability 83 00:04:11,639 --> 00:04:14,599 to play before being able to do that, defensively some 84 00:04:14,639 --> 00:04:17,439 good ball denial possessions from, him you'll. See, basically it 85 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,759 feels like every game what they have to think about with. 86 00:04:20,879 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 2: Him though they Have LaMelo on a good deal. 87 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: For a few more, years but that, season so we're 88 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,800 talking twenty seven to twenty. Eight that's only gonna be 89 00:04:29,959 --> 00:04:32,199 like you have to start thinking About konkin nipples next 90 00:04:32,199 --> 00:04:34,800 deal at that. Point you're starting to think About LaMelo's 91 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,319 next deal at that. Point and SO i do wonder 92 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,360 how much of the, calculus like. 93 00:04:40,439 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 2: How much that is part of the. 94 00:04:42,079 --> 00:04:46,439 Speaker 1: Calculus OTHERWISE i don't he could this is something If 95 00:04:46,439 --> 00:04:49,240 i'm The Hornets i'm. Negotiating this isn't because of also 96 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,480 his availability issues through his first couple of. Years i'm 97 00:04:52,519 --> 00:04:54,959 not going the max, route and if he wants that 98 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,199 type of, Money i'll probably just let that ride into 99 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,519 restricted free agency percent of the, cap which was you, 100 00:05:02,519 --> 00:05:05,639 know that was your suggestion that that could be something that's. 101 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,279 Fine at that, Point you're looking at what like a 102 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,680 two hundred million dollar commitment around, there two twenty five 103 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,519 around excuse, me five. Years that's probably a number If 104 00:05:14,519 --> 00:05:17,319 i'm The, hornets if he's want to take, that if 105 00:05:17,319 --> 00:05:19,519 it's if it is twenty percent of the salary cap 106 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:20,199 for four or five. 107 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 2: Years are you you're bouncing on that As, Charlotte. 108 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,319 Speaker 3: YEAH i THINK i. AM I the thing is also 109 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:31,959 because he's not a flawless, player like he's turnover percentage 110 00:05:31,959 --> 00:05:34,120 has gone up in each of the three years he's, 111 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,800 played and the assist rate has grown a little bit. 112 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:41,839 Stagnant he's also not a super efficient, Guy like for whatever, 113 00:05:41,879 --> 00:05:45,160 reason we usually put him in that camp because he 114 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,360 makes the ton of a ton of, threes we usually, go, 115 00:05:47,439 --> 00:05:51,279 oh he's, Efficient but he's actually like a midteri efficiency player. 116 00:05:51,319 --> 00:05:54,680 Overall SO i do think there is room to, hackle, 117 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,439 Honestly and if you can get him at a price 118 00:05:57,519 --> 00:06:00,000 range that is within the twenty, percent and more, important 119 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,959 maybe if you can get him on a deal that's 120 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:07,319 a flat rate throughout the five, years go for, it 121 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,319 because then if you can even start in above a little, 122 00:06:09,439 --> 00:06:13,120 Higher like if you you want to start the contract 123 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,360 at what twenty two twenty two and a half, percent 124 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,879 but you keep it just at a flat rate for five, 125 00:06:18,959 --> 00:06:21,800 years if you can convince them of, that hell, Yeah 126 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,560 like right, now that seems to me to be the 127 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,040 cheat code within THE NBA cpa, fabric the salary cap, 128 00:06:28,079 --> 00:06:31,399 Fabric like getting guys on the flat, rates that is 129 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,199 just the best way to secure yourself some wiggle room 130 00:06:34,759 --> 00:06:35,240 in the coming. 131 00:06:35,319 --> 00:06:39,879 Speaker 1: Years so if it was flat rated twenty, percent you'd 132 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:41,800 be in the first, year you'd be looking at about 133 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,959 five and one seventy. Four so if you're, him what's 134 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,720 the number that gets you thinking to sign? Up is 135 00:06:47,759 --> 00:06:51,439 it Two hundred's it got to be two twenty five in? 136 00:06:51,519 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 3: Total, YEAH i, mean, look if you're getting offered one 137 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:59,120 hundred and seventy five million dollars already, there that's that's 138 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,920 a lot of. Money AND i think he also recognizes 139 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,040 he you, know he seems like a guy who understands 140 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,240 that he's not necessarily the number one. Guy it does 141 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,519 seem like he's very willing to give up the ball 142 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,560 that he does seem to recognize, like, okay who's got 143 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,839 the hot? Hand like he seems to be very self. 144 00:07:15,879 --> 00:07:18,120 Aware SO i wouldn't put it past him to just 145 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,480 say one hundred and seventy five, milk go for. IT i, 146 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,720 Deal but you, know his representatives might push for two 147 00:07:25,839 --> 00:07:28,959 hundred and get into his head that two hundred is your. 148 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,120 BASELINE i think that's that becomes a little bit trickery 149 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:38,360 or a tricky situation because is it is that a 150 00:07:38,399 --> 00:07:41,879 little too much or do you buy into the, potential 151 00:07:42,079 --> 00:07:45,199 like maybe he's the guy who takes that next leap 152 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,480 within those that threesome of. Players but like you're, then 153 00:07:48,519 --> 00:07:51,360 you're just buying off, potential And i'm you know, me 154 00:07:51,839 --> 00:07:55,160 when it comes to taking a lot of, Chances i'm 155 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,240 a little bit more risk averse when it comes to 156 00:07:57,279 --> 00:08:00,639 like paying out full money for guys who aren't necessarily 157 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:05,920 like fully flitched. Superstars So i'm not banking on, him you, 158 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,759 know turning that corner and, becoming you, know an ALL 159 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:11,959 nba caliber. PLAYER i want to see it Before i'm 160 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,360 rewarding him with two hundred plus. 161 00:08:13,439 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: Million do you think an? Extent do you think he'll 162 00:08:16,759 --> 00:08:18,560 end up signing an? Extension do you think you want? 163 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,959 To because, Yeah i'm kind of with. YOU i don't 164 00:08:20,959 --> 00:08:22,399 know where the number is going to end up, being 165 00:08:22,519 --> 00:08:24,600 but when you look at some of the teams that 166 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,560 might that seem like he might be prioritizing flexibility in 167 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,800 twenty twenty, SEVEN i know he'll be a restricted free 168 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,879 agent if they don't get anything. Done but you don't 169 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,200 really want to get yourself into that situation to where 170 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,080 if you can get him for materially less than the. 171 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,639 MAX i, think If i'm, Hornet i'm considering, It i'd 172 00:08:39,639 --> 00:08:43,559 probably go as high as right now an average annual 173 00:08:43,639 --> 00:08:46,039 value a little over forty a, Year so if it 174 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:48,039 was like five or two hundred or something around, THERE 175 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:49,159 i THINK i feel comfortable with. 176 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:49,879 Speaker 2: That that's. 177 00:08:49,879 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 3: FAIR i, mean, look we're that that is probably splitting 178 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,080 hairs for us because one seventy five two, million two 179 00:08:56,159 --> 00:08:58,879 hundred million over a five year. Period you, know you 180 00:08:58,879 --> 00:08:59,919 you can probably finnackle. 181 00:08:59,919 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 2: IT i guess would it surprise you if he gets THE? 182 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: Max i'd be, Sure, well maybe they give him the 183 00:09:04,759 --> 00:09:08,200 ALL nba language just, because but, like would you be 184 00:09:08,279 --> 00:09:10,039 shocked if he got THE? Max BECAUSE i Think i'd 185 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,039 be pretty, floored especially with the way That charlotte's front 186 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,320 office is handled. Business this front office Under Jake peterson 187 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:17,279 has handled business. 188 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 3: Right, YEAH I i probably would, be BECAUSE i do 189 00:09:21,639 --> 00:09:24,519 think there are some things where it's tough to justify 190 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,720 him in that. Bracket and, LIKE i just don't consider 191 00:09:28,799 --> 00:09:31,360 the current iteration of The hornet's front office as someone 192 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:34,600 who was like super positive and ghosting like oh, yeah, 193 00:09:34,639 --> 00:09:36,480 yeah you're getting gonna get your. Money we believe that 194 00:09:36,519 --> 00:09:39,519 you're gonna make everything with an under so you're AN 195 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,039 mvp in five. Years like that's not the READ i 196 00:09:42,039 --> 00:09:44,799 get that on this front office, Either so, yes that 197 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,960 would that would surprise. Me Whether i'd be, SHOCKED i don't, 198 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:49,320 know but, Surprised, yes. 199 00:09:50,879 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 2: My. 200 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: Pick i'm gonna go With Anthony black of The Orlando. 201 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: Magic. Yeah and this is what let's start. 202 00:09:57,639 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: With just how good he's been this year hitting his corner. 203 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,679 Threes isn't someone he just he can't run the. Offense 204 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:06,960 he could do like has some there's he has real 205 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,559 moxie on the ball now when he's, handling but you 206 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,039 don't want him running your half court. Offense he is 207 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,000 kind of reliant when you're looking at his jump shots 208 00:10:15,039 --> 00:10:16,840 or the threes that he's making on like the attention 209 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,559 that A palo Bank caro will. Draw AND i think 210 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,679 his actual his three point percentage just goes in the 211 00:10:21,759 --> 00:10:24,679 toilet whenever he's not playing Alongside palo Ban caro this. 212 00:10:24,759 --> 00:10:28,159 YEAR i guess If Franz vadner had been, healthy it 213 00:10:28,159 --> 00:10:28,519 would be. 214 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: The same story with. 215 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,879 Speaker 1: Him so there is that level of, reliance but the 216 00:10:32,919 --> 00:10:35,120 fact that he can put some pressure on the defense 217 00:10:35,159 --> 00:10:36,720 with the ball in his, hands especially if he's gonna 218 00:10:36,759 --> 00:10:39,120 be in, transition and then all he can do for you. 219 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:43,200 Defensively the types of players that he like either guard 220 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,399 spot is fine and it doesn't matter who's the. Guard 221 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,320 he can handle some of like the bigger wing types 222 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,480 if you need him. To he's super, disruptive knows how 223 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,360 to navigate, this navigate the floor in the half? Court 224 00:10:53,399 --> 00:10:55,559 AM i going under screens and my going? Overscreens he 225 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,200 just he can read those situations on a. Whim BUT 226 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:01,559 i don't know what you pay. 227 00:11:01,639 --> 00:11:04,399 Speaker 2: Him when is The magic next year his? 228 00:11:04,519 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: Salary if you extend him just saying this or the, 229 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,759 audience it doesn't actually kick. In but as of right, 230 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:15,159 now The magic are in Second apron territory next, season 231 00:11:15,799 --> 00:11:19,200 and so when you're looking ahead twy twenty, seven twenty, 232 00:11:19,279 --> 00:11:23,159 eight like they have some wiggle, room but not like 233 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,039 you Have Wendell, Carter, Junior, Suggs, Baine Ben, caro And 234 00:11:26,039 --> 00:11:29,399 Franz wagner all on the. Books and you're talking about 235 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,720 close to like two hundred million right there and probably overstating, 236 00:11:33,759 --> 00:11:37,200 that but it's about it's ninety For franz And paolo 237 00:11:37,519 --> 00:11:40,799 plus another forty two For. Baine that's one thirty, two 238 00:11:40,879 --> 00:11:43,799 another thirty For. Suggs about that's one fifty and the another. 239 00:11:43,879 --> 00:11:46,720 Twenty so you're at one seventy and that you know 240 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,519 the other money's. Fungible But tristan Da silva could still 241 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,440 be on the books at that. Point will they Keep 242 00:11:52,519 --> 00:11:56,440 Jonathan isaac or? Whatever So Anthony black If i'm him 243 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,360 and his, agent knowing What i've accomplished this, year how 244 00:12:00,399 --> 00:12:03,799 Available i've been relative To Jalen, suggs who remains just 245 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,799 an on off split. Superhero i'm Saying i'm not taking 246 00:12:07,879 --> 00:12:10,639 less than five to one point fifty That Jalen suggs, 247 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,000 got and that puts you in a just wild, situation 248 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,240 and it's. DIFFICULT i would argue it's even harder to 249 00:12:17,279 --> 00:12:20,600 make that decision because of how much The magic have 250 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,720 buy and large struggled this year to both remain healthy 251 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,039 and be a threat in The Eastern. Conference they've been 252 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:31,399 better most, recently but you haven't once looked at them and, thought, 253 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,039 oh they're on the precipice of. 254 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,519 Speaker 2: Being a heavyweight in The Eastern. 255 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: Conference NOW i know, that because the money doesn't kick 256 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,840 in for another, year you technically buy yourself. Time but 257 00:12:40,879 --> 00:12:43,600 you also don't want to run the risk of any 258 00:12:43,639 --> 00:12:46,159 of these, deals whether It's Anthony blacks Or suggs, is 259 00:12:46,279 --> 00:12:49,320 Or apollos Or fronds is depending on his. Availability you 260 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,559 don't want to run the risk of those aging. Poorly 261 00:12:53,279 --> 00:12:57,840 the Reason i'm so fascinated with this extension is the 262 00:12:57,879 --> 00:13:02,000 combination Of orlando's financial situation AND i honestly more have 263 00:13:02,159 --> 00:13:05,960 no idea what you Pay Anthony black to player right. 264 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,080 NOW i think The Jalen suggs benchmark is. GOOD i 265 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,159 just don't even know if that's enough to keep. Him 266 00:13:11,159 --> 00:13:13,639 if you're looking, at let's, say an average annual value of, 267 00:13:13,799 --> 00:13:17,080 thirty maybe maybe you're latching on to the fact, that, 268 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,200 Well black played kind of a smaller role through his 269 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,399 first two years and this role that he has right 270 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:24,120 now or what he's doing this season is kind of 271 00:13:24,159 --> 00:13:27,120 the first of his kind for. Him but but, still 272 00:13:27,159 --> 00:13:29,080 that's gonna BE i think that's gonna be one of 273 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,440 the more brutalness negotiations across the. 274 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,279 Speaker 3: Board that's WHY i was not a fan of the 275 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,840 Front swagner contract extension at that point in. TIME i 276 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:41,039 know that he popped after signing, it BUT i didn't 277 00:13:41,039 --> 00:13:43,519 think they HAD i think that was a sign of, 278 00:13:43,919 --> 00:13:46,799 fate if, anything, LIKE i think they totally leave a 279 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,320 faith on that one because to, me that was just 280 00:13:49,919 --> 00:13:52,200 an overpay based on the first three years of his, 281 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:57,799 career and now they're at that, situation Which i'm. Not 282 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:03,320 i'm not BECAUSE i singled Out franz BECAUSE i think 283 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,360 his first three years were worse Than. Pawlows SO i 284 00:14:07,399 --> 00:14:10,960 think the merit of that WAS i basically think there 285 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,159 is no Fun max In orlando wet all of those. 286 00:14:14,159 --> 00:14:19,759 TWO i don't consider those. FUN i, like it's that 287 00:14:19,919 --> 00:14:22,519 is where you have an, issue and like The Wendel 288 00:14:22,559 --> 00:14:26,639 carter junior extension still puzzles, me like why he would 289 00:14:26,639 --> 00:14:30,279 almost double in salary when he hasn't made any, Progressions 290 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,600 like that's when you go out and prioritize, flexibility in my, 291 00:14:33,679 --> 00:14:37,639 Opinion so you're absolutely right that that black should be 292 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,279 considering himself. Here he should be looking at The Jalen 293 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,840 sucks contract and, go that's WHAT i, Want that's What i'm. 294 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:48,159 Worth i'm as six seventh floor leader like you you asked, 295 00:14:48,159 --> 00:14:50,519 you you, know asked out, loud LIKE i don't know 296 00:14:50,559 --> 00:14:52,879 about the, PASSING i don't know about the. PLAYMAKING i 297 00:14:52,879 --> 00:14:56,240 think that's a valid, Concern BUT i also think at that, 298 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,200 size the positional, fluidity the fact that he's an improved moving, 299 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,240 shooter the defensive upside the fact that he will still 300 00:15:04,399 --> 00:15:07,519 make the right. Passes he's not an advanced. Passer he's 301 00:15:07,559 --> 00:15:10,000 not Like Trey young in terms of like the creativity. 302 00:15:10,039 --> 00:15:14,279 Department but he's a, good sound team, passer if that makes. 303 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,559 Sense those are, Valuable like you need those guys at 304 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,759 THE nba level because he can handle the ball for 305 00:15:19,799 --> 00:15:23,120 an extended period. TIME i would have no problem whatsoever 306 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,320 giving him a starting guard, spot playing him forty two 307 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,799 forty four minutes a game and asking him to have 308 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,200 the ball in his hands a shit ton Like i'm 309 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,399 okay with. That that's valuable IF i feel that like 310 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,720 that as AN nba, organization that is worth at least twenty, 311 00:15:39,759 --> 00:15:43,200 five if not thirty million a year in today's, league 312 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,399 especially if you can, produce which he's shown that he. 313 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:50,039 Can so my big question isn't really about the. Money 314 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,080 my big question is Is Anthony black going to get 315 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,600 paid By orlando or is he going ultimately to get paid, 316 00:15:56,759 --> 00:16:00,600 elsewhere Because i'm kind of inclined to go the latter 317 00:16:00,799 --> 00:16:04,360 just because of the salaries himself In. 318 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: I'm actually wondering if this becomes a matter of they 319 00:16:08,039 --> 00:16:10,200 have to choose Between jay And suggs Or Anthony, black 320 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:11,960 and they end up Moving jail And suggs if they 321 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,399 don't trust his, health and maybe they maybe they Trust 322 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,320 black as a as a shooter. 323 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:17,159 Speaker 2: MORE i don't know. 324 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: That i've that they're they're not, similar but they're not 325 00:16:21,399 --> 00:16:24,080 dissimilar either when you look at some of the flaws 326 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:25,879 in their, game AND i JUST i don't know what 327 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,480 to make Of like do you See black as having 328 00:16:28,519 --> 00:16:31,320 ANOTHER i think we know What Jalen suggs is as 329 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,600 a jump, shooter like he could be, complimentary but if 330 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,360 you're looking for him to do the pull up stuff 331 00:16:35,879 --> 00:16:38,320 or just more off the, DRIBBLE i don't know where 332 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,720 to land with. That On black in, transition, sure if 333 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:44,600 you can give him enough space to get, downhill, sure 334 00:16:44,679 --> 00:16:46,960 but just the mid range, game he's under twenty nine 335 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,159 percent on pull up jumpers in the half. 336 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 2: Court that's, yeah that's, like that's tough for me to get. 337 00:16:55,279 --> 00:16:57,159 Speaker 1: Around it's, okay are we gonna see is there ever 338 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,559 gonna be a big leap? There but it's also if 339 00:16:59,639 --> 00:17:02,559 you Have franz And polo And Desmond, bane you don't 340 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,279 need that type of leap BUT i do just kind 341 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:08,160 of wonder is there only financially, speaking we've seen these 342 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,160 two players Like sugs And black can work on the same. 343 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,319 Team that's not What i'm getting. At can you afford 344 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,359 second contract money for both of those? Guys AND i 345 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,000 don't you know if WE'RE i know that this is 346 00:17:19,039 --> 00:17:21,799 technically a twenty twenty seven to twenty twenty eight, problem 347 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,359 BUT i kind of lean TOWARDS i don't think all 348 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,240 five of these guys are going to finish next. Season, 349 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:28,119 Yeah AND i don't even if they're gonna begin the 350 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,559 season In. ORLANDO i would bet That polo And franz 351 00:17:30,599 --> 00:17:32,359 are both, there AND i Think babe will be there, 352 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,599 Too SO i feel like Maybe sugs Are black will be. 353 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,799 Speaker 2: Moved. Maybe look a lot depends on how this season. 354 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,279 Speaker 1: Ends but this is this is a, negotiation and it's 355 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,319 just it's a fascinating one for a multitude of reasons it. 356 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 3: Is and what's additionally fascinating is for it seemed Like 357 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:55,240 orlando that will have five guys in that somewhat similar 358 00:17:55,359 --> 00:18:00,640 salary bracket Like, Wagner, Powello, Bencaro, Sugs bin and Then anthony. 359 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,759 Speaker 2: Five thirty million or more. 360 00:18:02,799 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 3: Guys exactly if you have five of those, guys you 361 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,119 would also assume that the team overall is, better, Right, 362 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,039 like at some point you have to look at the, 363 00:18:12,079 --> 00:18:14,319 results and you have to look at like can we justify, 364 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:18,359 this like because it's can we just be honest? Here 365 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,480 it's not a great. Fit like the talent level is. 366 00:18:20,519 --> 00:18:22,480 There i'm not just gonna sit here and question that 367 00:18:22,519 --> 00:18:26,240 the raw talent level of those five players are somehow 368 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,480 beneath anything. Else it's just a bad fit because you 369 00:18:29,519 --> 00:18:32,519 don't have anyone outside Of baine who's like a clear 370 00:18:33,039 --> 00:18:35,519 high caliber, shooter and Even bane this year is not 371 00:18:35,559 --> 00:18:37,640 really taking a lot of. Threes so you have. 372 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 2: Get howard for a couple more, weeks, right? 373 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 3: Weeks, Yes but like that's the that's the, issue Right 374 00:18:44,279 --> 00:18:48,119 and and, like, yo, Look i'm WHAT i think first 375 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,680 and foremost before we get into like the roster, decisions 376 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,039 get a new head. Coach but, like if he can 377 00:18:55,079 --> 00:18:57,680 make this work and a new head, coach that is, 378 00:18:58,079 --> 00:19:02,160 cool pay the guys what's? Up but like it feels 379 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,440 like these magic who tried to get away after that 380 00:19:04,519 --> 00:19:07,799 six year tenure Of Evan fournier And Nukula vucevic And 381 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,839 Aaron gordon where they tried everything for six years and 382 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,000 they still ended up in, methiocrity and they, said, No 383 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,839 god damn, it we're gonna push that big fat reset. 384 00:19:15,839 --> 00:19:21,319 Button somehow they might end up there Still, again. 385 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,759 Speaker 1: The only Pushback i'll give you, there it's it's wildly 386 00:19:25,839 --> 00:19:30,119 uncomfortable that if they're committing all this money and you 387 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,160 can't sit there and, say we, are without question confident 388 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,079 we have best player on a contenter material on our. 389 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,680 Roster you might get there as a collective in the, 390 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,599 aggregate you need to stay, healthy which they have. Not 391 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:44,599 and that's also the pushback, though BECAUSE theirs core, lineup 392 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:50,519 The Wendell, Carter, Junior, Suggs Paalo Franz bane statistically it's 393 00:19:50,519 --> 00:19:51,000 been great this. 394 00:19:51,079 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 2: Year it just hasn't really played it. 395 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 3: Did trust in the playoffs. 396 00:19:55,480 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: THOUGH i, mean it's it really it just comes down 397 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,200 to for it's if this is such an, oversimplification But 398 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,599 i'm going through around like who's the most concerning shooter 399 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,480 of that entire, Group and you could talk yourself Into, 400 00:20:08,839 --> 00:20:10,799 Okay fronz look kind of better that you could talk 401 00:20:10,799 --> 00:20:13,240 yourself in to any single, member with the exception Of 402 00:20:13,279 --> 00:20:16,079 baine where it's A i think we've seen kind of 403 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,960 proof of concept From polo in the. Playoffs we're not 404 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,920 gonna be hyper, efficient BUT i feel like in the 405 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,880 past two Weeks i've said this like eighty times, now 406 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,039 SO i feel pretty good About polo the brand he, 407 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,200 plays even when it's, UGLY i think it works in the. 408 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,720 Playoffs AND i TRUST i Trust fronz even without a jump. 409 00:20:31,559 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 2: Jump when you start putting these. 410 00:20:32,799 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: Guys together and stack them on top of one, another 411 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,480 AND i don't, know that's a great. Question and you 412 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,640 know what's really even more concerning is that you might 413 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,319 make This Anthony black decision and fro you don't have, 414 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,200 that and you're gonna go to the playoffs in The. 415 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,680 East sure it looks, like but you're not gonna have 416 00:20:48,839 --> 00:20:51,839 that sample size with your core lineup to, Know, okay 417 00:20:51,839 --> 00:20:53,640 he does this work and what can we do With 418 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,960 Anthony black and the rest of. THEM i do want 419 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,039 to ask you this question before you pick your next. 420 00:20:58,039 --> 00:20:59,559 Speaker 2: Guy, WELL i guess it's. TWOFOLD i think both of 421 00:20:59,599 --> 00:21:03,200 us are agreement that He's do you think he's going 422 00:21:03,279 --> 00:21:05,799 to sign an? Extension if? 423 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:10,279 Speaker 3: Anything black is offered a big time extension this summer 424 00:21:10,839 --> 00:21:12,079 based off of one year of. 425 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,759 Speaker 1: PLAY i do think call that The dyson DANIELS i 426 00:21:16,799 --> 00:21:20,200 was showed more Than, diyson, Right but you didn't have to. 427 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 3: Say BUT i was about to bring Up dyson BECAUSE 428 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,160 i THINK i don't think that is an invalid. POINT 429 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,119 i think that there are definitely going to be agents 430 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,680 and players who are, Like, okay look IF i can 431 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:37,079 get a Complete brink truck delivered to my door based 432 00:21:37,079 --> 00:21:41,960 off of one season of, play just to be, sure why, 433 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,200 not Like i'm not closely and. 434 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: Restricted and restricted for agencies always a rough go for the, 435 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,640 players especially. 436 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,039 Speaker 2: Shoot so let's do this. 437 00:21:54,079 --> 00:21:57,759 Speaker 1: First if he signs an extension over under a one 438 00:21:57,799 --> 00:22:00,119 hundred and fifty million dollars or thirty million dollars a, 439 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,759 year are you taking the over the? Under that's What 440 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,279 suggs is averaged. Out, YEAH i think he's going to 441 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:10,160 get slightly. Under do you have to feel pretty? Okay so, 442 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:15,400 then knowing that or assuming that as the magic who's the. 443 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:22,319 Speaker 2: Better fit for this? Roster sugs Or Anthony? Black, oh 444 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:22,920 that's a good. 445 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 3: One likely it Goes, SUGS i, think because. Shooting but 446 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,400 but it does concern me that he's so much injured 447 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,720 and can't stay on the floor like that is not 448 00:22:33,839 --> 00:22:36,960 something THAT i think Is, Yeah. 449 00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: And, look the shooting From suggs isn't so like the 450 00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:43,680 sample he has the one really good year And black 451 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,440 has been killing it from the corners this. 452 00:22:45,519 --> 00:22:48,039 Speaker 2: SEASON i think he shot well from the corners last year. 453 00:22:48,039 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: Too for, me it's more So Jalen suggs IS i 454 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,119 think can just do more defensively to where he's the 455 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,839 turn off the water, guy but he can also be 456 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,400 hyper disruptive AND i think you can move him up 457 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,599 and down the additional spectrum a bit. 458 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 2: More right Than. 459 00:23:02,319 --> 00:23:05,279 Speaker 3: Black, also he actually took a pretty big leap this 460 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,200 year as a, playmaker but nobody noticed because he just 461 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,200 didn't play enough. Minutes sucks that, Is. 462 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 2: Can you make a leap if you're not play enough? 463 00:23:13,279 --> 00:23:16,319 Speaker 3: Minutes THOUGH i do think so because it's twelve hundred 464 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,359 minutes this year after. All like that is not, INSIGNIFICANT i. 465 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:26,000 Think and the leap of which you've seen him take playmaking, 466 00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:31,200 WISE i think is so. Substantial like his assist rate 467 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,839 raised from early twenties to almost. Thirty to, me that's 468 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,839 not insignificant that that's a pretty big, leap AND i 469 00:23:39,839 --> 00:23:44,480 would trust. THAT i, LOOK i really Like, sucks BUT 470 00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:46,960 i also like the idea of those two together from 471 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,279 a defensive. Perspective oh that's how. Exactly but that the 472 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,640 challenge is you don't have the shooters around, them Like 473 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,680 paolo isn't a natural, shooter Front wagner's a natural. Shooter 474 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,000 and If jamal mostly keeps putting deferent banks in three point, 475 00:24:01,079 --> 00:24:07,680 jail then what's the point, there? RIGHT i, mean, YEAH. 476 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna sign an, extension and if he, 477 00:24:12,559 --> 00:24:15,759 DOES i think there's gonna be a fairly wholesale change 478 00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:20,000 In orlando over the. Offseason but he and how many 479 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,680 games do you think the core lineup has? Played and 480 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,559 this isn't Really Anthony black, related but it ties Into 481 00:24:25,559 --> 00:24:30,920 Sugs Polo. Franz so the presum is starting, Five, okay 482 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,000 do you think they've played? 483 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 3: It? So so the current starting five like So, Sugs, Carter, Wagner, 484 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:44,200 Baying Pan. Cao, yeah two not in a. 485 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 2: Lot. 486 00:24:44,519 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: THIRTEEN i was. SURPRISED i thought it was ten for some. 487 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,759 Reason but it's. Thirteen so all, right, no but still 488 00:24:49,759 --> 00:24:50,759 that's enough to reinvest. 489 00:24:50,759 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 3: In, Right oh my, god that is no AND i 490 00:24:54,039 --> 00:24:56,839 will say this Because Orlando magic fans have pointed this 491 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,680 out repeatedly to everyone who listened, Rightfully so like and, 492 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,480 you you also said it at the. Top injuries they've 493 00:25:03,519 --> 00:25:05,640 been the thing this year for, Them and that's a 494 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,680 fair pushback to, yeah for. 495 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: Sure and, LOOK i don't just can't factor into, it 496 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:12,599 but If Anthony black is going to be he's been 497 00:25:12,599 --> 00:25:15,480 pretty cold since The All star, break when your sample 498 00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:18,799 size of being an impactful assay offensive player is kind of, 499 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:20,279 Small like those types of swings. 500 00:25:20,319 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 2: Matter who's your next pick. 501 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 3: Though Ausir thompson In, Detroit so this is where it gets. 502 00:25:28,839 --> 00:25:32,559 ROUGH i love him as a, DEFENDER i think everyone, 503 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:38,119 does because he's just that ridiculous of a defensive. Player the, 504 00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:41,440 offense specifically the, Scoring, LIKE i actually think he's a 505 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,079 pretty good, Passer like he's not going to your primary, 506 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,240 playmaker he's not going to go be a secondary but 507 00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:49,839 like as A churchier, PLAYMAKER i don't hate, it but 508 00:25:50,079 --> 00:25:53,440 he is a rough watch when it comes to putting 509 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,119 the ball in the. Basket, like he's not a long range. 510 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,039 Shooter he can't even hit free FROs, WELL i, mean 511 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,240 unless you count fifty seven percent is, valuable but it's. 512 00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:04,079 Speaker 2: Not it's more than half and. 513 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 3: More he's like he's a good schlasser slasher and he'll 514 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,599 he'll convert around the basket and that's it pretty much 515 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,519 like in terms of the scoring department. 516 00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:20,519 Speaker 1: Specifically AND i would also say he's not a good 517 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,960 enough finisher around the basket for what like that being 518 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,400 his crowning. Skill he's at sixty five point six percent 519 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,000 in the restrict, area which is, fine but he. 520 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 2: Kind of doesn't even the pressure's. 521 00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: There, okay sure you Take caid off the, court and 522 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:40,119 his rim percentage and frequency plummet by insane. Margins and 523 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,880 so do you want something like this this. Stretch we're 524 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,400 recording this shortly after the news that kid was diagnosed 525 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,240 with a collapse lung and is gonna miss extensive period of, 526 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,440 time which is just an absolute. Bummer we'll Something grant 527 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,359 AND i out on, THAT i think over the. Weekend but, 528 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,680 like if you're predicated on, yes you can do the 529 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,359 second play making, stuff but if your offense is so 530 00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:05,440 rickety that you're not as good at finishing through contact 531 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:06,880 as it seems like you, should or just not as 532 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,559 accurate a finisher, overall or you need that primary because 533 00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:12,759 it would be one thing if it all, right he 534 00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:15,279 can generate a ton of his own looks at the 535 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,759 rim and score that. Efficiently that's still kind of a 536 00:27:18,839 --> 00:27:21,920 QUESTION i, Have AND i don't know what you pay 537 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:22,799 that guy when you point. 538 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:23,279 Speaker 2: Out all those other. 539 00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 1: Flaws now he might be ON i haven't gone through 540 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,519 my teams. Yet i'm fairly certain he's gonna make one 541 00:27:29,559 --> 00:27:31,920 of my two all defense, teams and he is gonna 542 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,400 be in the running for a first team spot because 543 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,960 he's a. Monster but you need to see the vision of, 544 00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:41,119 well what is. This let's the finishing is going to be. 545 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,440 FINE i think we could say it's like maybe you're 546 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,759 concerned about it a little bit AS i. Am but 547 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,480 let's just assume that is. There you have to answer the, Question, 548 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,119 okay what else can he? Do what else is he 549 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,200 and how much is that? WORTH i don't. Know even 550 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,240 THOUGH i like him making kind of quick decisions on 551 00:27:58,279 --> 00:28:01,000 the ball or in, transition there is some things when 552 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,359 he gets going downhill in the half court can make 553 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,039 those plays out of a live, Dribble but how, consistently, 554 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,480 again how consistently can he do? That and when he's 555 00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:13,839 more of a focal point of defensive, attention and then 556 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,640 even what's the ceiling on an offense that has him 557 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:21,079 as the second ball, handler even the third ball, handler. 558 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 3: Right SO i do think, ultimately when a couple of 559 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,359 years from, now he is going to be exclusively a 560 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,599 four where he's like a ball handling four, Man AND 561 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,960 i think that's going to be a very intentional decision 562 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,960 By detroit's because then you can put another ball handler 563 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,960 on the. Floor, right then you can have kid and 564 00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:43,480 two wing guys who can potentially handle the ball and 565 00:28:43,519 --> 00:28:46,559 shoot from. Range like you can get away with having 566 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,160 a not great shooter and a not great. Center if 567 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:55,559 that's that power forward playmaker can set the ball, up 568 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,480 if he can be someone who can take the ball 569 00:28:57,519 --> 00:28:59,519 up the, court if you can give him the ball 570 00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:04,559 like in this short role, situation that kind of negates 571 00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:07,440 the shooting need a little. Bit but if you have 572 00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:11,440 him on the wing and you're occupying one of those 573 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,920 spots and you're also putting a non space show at 574 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,799 the four spot and a non space thhre at the setup, 575 00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:19,640 position oh dear, God oh dear, god that's a. Problem 576 00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:23,200 SO i do think they're baking that In i'm also 577 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,359 inclined to think that maybe an extension doesn't get done 578 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,359 with these two, parties BECAUSE i think That Thompson twins generally, 579 00:29:31,359 --> 00:29:35,400 speaking will probably reach talk About Aman thompson later on 580 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,960 The west. SEGMENT i think they hold themselves in very high, 581 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,319 regard as they should defensively, speaking at, least but WOULD 582 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,720 i wouldn't be shocked if either of them, go, oh, 583 00:29:46,759 --> 00:29:51,160 No i'm worth Like Freddy mill and or you kind of, 584 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,960 GO i can't justify that as AN nb. 585 00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:56,759 Speaker 1: Organization oh that's, interesting so, you BECAUSE i do Think 586 00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:59,920 osar can be dominant. Defensively AND i don't know IF 587 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,359 i would Call Anthony black dat you think a star 588 00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:06,119 is worth less in extension talks Than, Anthony but if 589 00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:08,480 you're running a, franchise you'd Pay Anthony black more Than. 590 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 3: Soar So black has more an offensive. Punch AND i 591 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,799 think nowadays it's so difficult to justify or even play 592 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,359 guys who aren't two way players in that, sense Like, 593 00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:24,839 thompson for, Example he's only playing twenty five minutes per, 594 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,240 game AND i think a lot of reason for that 595 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,960 is you need to have guys like Karais lavert coming 596 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,400 off the bench who can at least. Score he's not 597 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,039 necessarily highly efficient at. It you need to give more 598 00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:38,880 shots To Duncan robinson full time, starter, granted but still. 599 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: There's also the scattershot health stuff With rear, too that is. 600 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,119 Speaker 3: True but even so it's still not a big minutes. 601 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,559 Load AND i think there's a reason for that because 602 00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:54,319 you just if you're an offense only, guy, yeah you're 603 00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:56,759 also not going to play a, lot like in The 604 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,480 celtics change the game in my, opinion when they won 605 00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:02,480 the champion and had like what eight guys who were 606 00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:05,839 all like two way players that started something within the, 607 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,480 League like everyone was, like, okay look got. It missage 608 00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:12,920 received like playing one way Guys Freddie mian's a game doesn't, 609 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,400 work and we're seeing. It we're seeing how one way 610 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,000 guys are just not getting those, minutes AND i have 611 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,039 to assume that's going to be reflected in their contracts 612 00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:24,240 moving forward as. Well like is AN nb organization going 613 00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:26,519 out and breaking the bank for a guy who only 614 00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:28,480 dominates on one side of the. Floor AND i agree 615 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,440 with you by the way That thompson can be dominant, 616 00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:37,960 DEFENSIVELY i am not putting that aside. Whatsoever bud if 617 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,799 you're playing four on five offensively not. 618 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,559 Speaker 1: Great, No and as you kind of alluded to, before 619 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,319 how you want to flesh out the rest of your 620 00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:50,839 team matters a great deal there because if they're going 621 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,720 to commit to jail And, duran who with all these 622 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,640 injuries that are mounting, up he might be a shoe 623 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,960 in for ALL nba at this. Rate and how much 624 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,200 money does it take to keep him if you're that 625 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,720 committed to him with the, assault like the tug of 626 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,559 just the mental tug of war between Having, Duran Ron 627 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,319 holland And Nasar thompson playing prominent roles in the same 628 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,839 rotation gets wonky and contributes to, what Like kde to, 629 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,720 me probably has the most difficult shot diet in THE. 630 00:32:17,839 --> 00:32:20,559 Nba and there will be people that say this is 631 00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:22,559 self inflicted to an, extent BUT i think when you 632 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:25,000 look at the way defenses are able to key on 633 00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:27,960 him and just how they're at any given, point it 634 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,240 feels like there's two or three relative non threats on 635 00:32:32,279 --> 00:32:35,400 the floor away from the ball With Kid, cunningham it 636 00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:39,640 gets really. PROBLEMATIC i DON'T i don't have an answer. 637 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,519 THERE i don't know what it would, take like if 638 00:32:41,559 --> 00:32:43,400 they go to the, playoffs and it like a sawar 639 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,400 can play twenty five to thirty minutes a game and 640 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,000 then the offense doesn't get bogged down or. Anything, yeah 641 00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:50,720 as you mentioned with With Tobias harris coming off the 642 00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:52,799 books this, summer maybe you kind of slide into is 643 00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:54,920 he just our long term four and that's how you use. 644 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,480 Them but if you're committed To duran and you still 645 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,960 want to use hot like that is something that's gonna 646 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,000 have to factor in. HERE i am with you that 647 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,279 i'd probably Pay anthony blackmore just because he provides maybe 648 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:09,240 not a dominant punch on any one side of the, 649 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,920 floor but like you, said the the, offensive a more 650 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,240 balanced punch's. 651 00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:18,119 Speaker 3: CONSISTENT a consuper, consistent balanced player is worth a ton 652 00:33:18,319 --> 00:33:19,279 of money in TODAY'S. 653 00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: Nba and and you did you hit it on the 654 00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:24,079 nose when you said too that everything you through the 655 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,880 lens of we want to limit the number of liabilities 656 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,759 that we have in the. Playoffs and we've already seen 657 00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:33,160 The pistons kind of like take the restricted free agency 658 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,559 route With Jalen. Duran and so this isn't a, oh 659 00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:36,799 we need to pay our own, guys you need to 660 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,640 keep them out of THE rfa. Market they're clearly Will 661 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,079 if they were willing to get there With, duran who 662 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,440 was inconsistent through his first three, YEARS i would think 663 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,319 that they're certainly going to be willing to take it to. 664 00:33:46,319 --> 00:33:47,119 Speaker 2: That with A sar. 665 00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:50,759 Speaker 3: Too, Yeah like we didn't think he's gonna sign, Number, 666 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,119 no we. Didn't we it's so tough to even come 667 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,559 up with a number for him too at this. 668 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: Point, well IT'S i, think like the when you have 669 00:33:57,519 --> 00:34:01,519 questions about the, offense it's the sort of jail And 670 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,880 suggs as a line of demarcation different. 671 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 2: Players the same With Anthony. 672 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,280 Speaker 1: Black but IT'S i think he would sign for way, 673 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,880 Less Like i'm offering him way less than like thirty 674 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,920 million just seems too rich to me for as art 675 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,000 even knowing what that is to the. 676 00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 3: Dude give Him Dyson daniels. Contract what Did daniels get? 677 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,280 Speaker 2: Again? Five and what was? 678 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: It? 679 00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:26,079 Speaker 3: Five? VOICE i think you're right. 680 00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:27,199 Speaker 2: There let me double check that. 681 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:33,599 Speaker 1: Though, yeah SO i let's talk about it in terms 682 00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,159 of percentages, though because the numbers are like in my, 683 00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:37,920 head the numbers are still the numbers are you giving? 684 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,800 Him you you mentioned twenty percent For Brandon, Miller so 685 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,920 you're not doing that For Asar thompson then would be 686 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:44,400 my no. 687 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,679 Speaker 3: Assumption and by the, Way Dyson daniels signed four year 688 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:47,639 one hundred. 689 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 1: One, hundred so is twenty five per which that's sub 690 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,760 fifteen percent of the salary cap on. AVERAGE i can't 691 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,280 justify as The pistons at this. Rate he's contributed to 692 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,280 more meaningful Teams Asar thomps and has you give credit to, 693 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:02,880 THAT i can't go. 694 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:05,079 Speaker 3: For. 695 00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:06,679 Speaker 1: Me it has to be an average of sub fifteen 696 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,519 percent of the salary cap right, NOW i don't THINK 697 00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:12,400 i honestly don't think He's and if that's the, CASE 698 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,480 i don't think he'll or maybe he looks at what 699 00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:17,440 happened With Dyson daniels and Said i'm not going to 700 00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:19,960 beat that Until i'll just sign right. 701 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 2: Who Is oh this is your? Pick oh, man we 702 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:24,760 have to stay in The. East we're like kind of 703 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,840 running out of The, yeah it's my. Pick So i'm 704 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:29,719 saying we're still in The. 705 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: East i'm going to go With Blakola bali of The Washington, 706 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:39,199 wizards WHO i love aside from his chosen reading, materials, 707 00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:42,920 DEFENSIVELY i think this is someone who can make. 708 00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:45,079 Speaker 2: ALL Nba All defense. 709 00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:48,159 Speaker 1: Teams you also mentioned some of the stuff That Asar 710 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,320 thompson can do from the center of the. 711 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 2: FLOOR i think bla Cool bali can do some of 712 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:52,760 those as. 713 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: Well we've also seen someone who's willing to take more, 714 00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:58,719 jumpers and there have been. STRETCHES i think it was 715 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,679 the start of last season's, specifically where he was kind 716 00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:05,519 of cooking off the, dribble AND i, really really really 717 00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:08,280 just want to see him in more of a coherent 718 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,360 ecosystem because he's another guy Who Trey young might be 719 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,239 able to. Elevate if you're gonna Get coolbally moving away 720 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,760 from the ball, more or is he just gonna capitalize 721 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,320 on those ultra wide open threes like he has as 722 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,519 we're recording, this he's forty percent from distance Post All 723 00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:29,079 Star break on over four attempts and playing, barely playing 724 00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:32,039 about twenty six minutes per. Game if he can, Hit 725 00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:34,800 if you look at him and SAY i trust him 726 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,400 to shoot thirty seven to thirty eight, Percent i'm just 727 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,239 they're gonna be catching shoot. Threes most of them will 728 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,519 be pretty wide, open maybe to finish some of those 729 00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:43,039 straight line. 730 00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:45,719 Speaker 2: Drives he is of the. 731 00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:49,599 Speaker 1: Players we've talked about so, far he's getting less Than Brandon, 732 00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:52,039 miller but i'd pay him more Than Anthony blacker Or OS. R. 733 00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 3: Thompson, yeah but that's a BIG. GIF i agree with 734 00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:58,360 you if he can do, That like this is a 735 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,679 fourteen game sample sized Post All Star, Break LIKE. 736 00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:04,280 Speaker 1: I hear, you, well, yeah and he's had the. Pocket 737 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,280 i'm just he's had the pockets of offense right. Now you're, 738 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,039 RIGHT i couldn't. You Asar Thompson Anthony black are the 739 00:37:11,039 --> 00:37:13,400 more valuable. Players they've also played for real, teams WHICH 740 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,920 i think. Matters but Bla coolabai has explored And i'm 741 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,280 not just talking Post All Star. Break they've been minor, 742 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,079 pockets but he's explored or hinted at a better offensive 743 00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:25,840 pinnacle and that that's what intrigues. 744 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 2: Me so sorry for interrupting. 745 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,320 Speaker 3: You, no, no, no, no it's all. Good like the 746 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,280 month he's having right now In march is one of 747 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:30,840 the best he's. 748 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,039 Speaker 1: Had at the end of you know, anything it's that 749 00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:35,079 we can Trust march that's on THE. 750 00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 3: Nba that was actually going to be my, point which is, 751 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,079 like we can't trust, that and that's WHY i am. 752 00:37:41,199 --> 00:37:44,760 Skeptical it doesn't mean THAT i don't think highly of his. 753 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,159 Potential by the, way to your, point just SO i 754 00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:49,519 don't forget the reading. Material, note what was? That what 755 00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:53,000 is he? Reading m Oh? 756 00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: Man what they called the guy like the The why 757 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:57,880 AM i blanking on the name? 758 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 2: Here him And Rudy gobert like promoted the book already 759 00:38:01,519 --> 00:38:04,239 there like The French Andrew taate or something like. That. 760 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:10,679 Speaker 3: Nolo, no wasn't. Good, No god damn. It, okay so we're. 761 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:16,159 Speaker 1: Referencing i'm. Talking i'm talking just basketball potential on the. 762 00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:18,639 Speaker 3: Court, yeah that's, fair that is. Fair, uh just off 763 00:38:18,679 --> 00:38:27,320 of that five million plus per. Year, no. Okay so 764 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,880 remember WHAT i said About Randon miller that if when 765 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,119 you have that position, fluid you can kind of play 766 00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:35,760 off guard but also a small ball four LIKE i 767 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:40,880 don't Think kulapli is there? Yet what, DEFENSIVELY i don't 768 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,599 think it's out of pocket to say that he could get. 769 00:38:43,639 --> 00:38:45,800 THERE i don't think that's. WRONG i don't think that's. 770 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,239 UNFAIR i think he can certainly reach that. Level he's 771 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,880 six seven two and ten, pounds he's, athletic he's, movable 772 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,559 he's kind of sneaky. STRONG i think when he applies. 773 00:38:56,599 --> 00:39:01,119 Himself so, Yeah i'm not ruling that out at, all 774 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,320 BUT i just need to see his level of play 775 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,840 reach a higher pinnacle when it's Not march basketball and 776 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:10,400 the games are. 777 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 1: Pointless AND i, MEAN i think you could make the, 778 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,639 case And i'm pretty excited About i'm fairly intrigued by 779 00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:20,880 a lot of The wizards's younger, players include Like Will 780 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,599 riley has shown some stuff, too but The wizards have. 781 00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:25,280 Speaker 2: Not you could say now the games don't. 782 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 1: Matter the games have not mattered a single day Of blagobali's. Career, nope, 783 00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:32,920 Agreed and those are those are tough extensions to hash. 784 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,360 OUT i think he look he someone who gets to 785 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,639 the rim a lot more often than people. Realize finishing 786 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,440 has Been he was seventy percent last year and that's 787 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,760 dropped this. Year he's my guess would be if he's 788 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,880 willing to sign for something like twenty million a, Year I'm, 789 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,719 Wizards i'll entertain, It BUT i don't think this IS 790 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,480 i don't even know if they're going to be like 791 00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:54,039 wanting to, negotiate because depending on what they do With Trey, 792 00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:56,599 young There's Anthony davis as, well they might be trying 793 00:39:56,599 --> 00:39:59,760 to remain lean to figure out their options as they're 794 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,079 trying to get better after this? 795 00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 3: Year is he kind of the best candidate for The 796 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:10,880 Patrick williams contract. 797 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,800 Speaker 1: About five and, nineties so let's say like the equivand 798 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,400 of five and one, Hundred, now, yeah. 799 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,159 Speaker 2: That was probably do it If. 800 00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 1: I'm The, wizards because if he doesn't get any better 801 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:22,760 than he is right, Now, like if this is the, 802 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,559 player how much of an overpay does that end up? 803 00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:29,440 Being doesn't seem not just better Than Patrick williams? Already, 804 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,719 yeah so are you AND i but, yes, No i'm. Not, 805 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,440 LOOK i just want to remind, everyone. 806 00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:36,800 Speaker 2: Just to be. 807 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,760 Speaker 1: TREASURER i was in the bag For Patrick. WILLIAMS i 808 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,000 was stoked when everyone he's a. Reach i'm, like you know, 809 00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:43,920 WHAT i would have made the same. 810 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,800 Speaker 3: Pick so, yeah, SAME i was like, yeah, Oh AND 811 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,320 i was even in on, it like with the contract 812 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,679 that point BECAUSE i, thought, ah he's he's too good 813 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,960 and then he just fell, through by the. Way kudos 814 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,239 for him to just getting the back and just checking 815 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,559 out that he did A Mansie, williams AND i appreciated 816 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,800 respected get the. Back but if that contract is up 817 00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:08,599 FOR i THINK i think you take it AND i 818 00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:09,360 think you run with. 819 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 1: It uh you have you want to round us, Out 820 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,159 we'll do one more from The Eastern, conference as we're 821 00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:15,719 doing five per. 822 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,639 Speaker 3: Conference So i'm. Torn is it between it's Between Heimi 823 00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:23,960 hakkis And Grady? Dick who do? You, So i'm gonna 824 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,800 ask you who's most interesting to talk. 825 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,079 Speaker 1: ABOUT i think it's just the way that The raptors 826 00:41:29,079 --> 00:41:30,840 are using or not Using Grady dick at the. 827 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 2: MOMENT i think it's got to be high my hawk As. 828 00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 3: Yeah that's. Fair that's BECAUSE i actually do Like. GRADY 829 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,960 i think he's under every. 830 00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:42,280 Speaker 1: Year the shooting percentages never line up with, it but 831 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,639 defenses still treat him like a five alarm. Fire and 832 00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:48,440 if you go look every, year so many more of 833 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,960 The raptors shots come at the rim when he's on the, 834 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,800 floor just because of that lift. 835 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:53,679 Speaker 2: On the defense he. 836 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,320 Speaker 1: Provides So i'm still intrigued by him as, Well but 837 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,639 they seem at points this season it's not just, oh 838 00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:01,880 they see more intrigued By Jacoby. Walter it's, ah we 839 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,039 Prefer jamison battle and that's probably an. 840 00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:11,199 Speaker 3: Issue So Haimi, hakis it, is, wow did he need this? 841 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,599 Year because last, year you, know you were kind of. 842 00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:17,719 WONDERING i think we were all kind of, wondering is 843 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,039 was he just a one year? Wonder like he hit 844 00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:22,920 the league and the ros rookie season was fairly, decent 845 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,239 then that was. It that's all she. Wrote he came 846 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,679 back and he's just been, ridiculous like fifteen to five 847 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,920 and five off the, bench getting to the foul, line 848 00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:37,159 like finishing at the. Rim like when you have a 849 00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:45,320 guy who is not necessarily a superb athletic, player but 850 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,360 one who plays with his head a whole, bunch like 851 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:56,119 really understands time, space shot, creation shot, selection passing angles to, 852 00:42:56,159 --> 00:43:00,280 THAT i think you have a safe player that is 853 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,079 not a type of. Guy like even if he gets 854 00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:05,000 injured and it's out for a couple months and, like, 855 00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:06,800 yeah he has to get he has to get back 856 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,880 into shape and get back into. Form HIS iq alone 857 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,679 will lift him up at fairly big avenue then a 858 00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:16,000 lot of compared to a lot of players who will 859 00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:19,800 be athletically. Limited so that's an. Asset AND i Think, 860 00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:23,800 miami the way that they execute their, place the way 861 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,760 that they prefer to have guys who think on the. 862 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,400 Fly someone Like Hami hawkas is going to be immensely 863 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,239 valuable for, them be that off the bench as a, 864 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,960 starter as a, three as a. Four because he's also 865 00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:39,360 a little bit positionally, FLUID i would not be surprised 866 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,599 if he gets on the better side of twenty five 867 00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:44,760 million a. Year AND i say that knowing for Well 868 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,119 miami does a good job. Hackling but even, so that 869 00:43:48,159 --> 00:43:50,519 wouldn't surprise. ME i think HE'S i think he's that. 870 00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:53,360 Speaker 2: Good i'm gonna be curious to. 871 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,840 Speaker 1: See this isn't relating To Homa Hawkins junior, himself but 872 00:43:57,559 --> 00:44:00,360 what are The heat trying to accomplish with their book right? 873 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,559 Now if they're still trying to be lean for twenty twenty, 874 00:44:03,639 --> 00:44:06,400 SEVEN i don't think they're gonna want to extend, him 875 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,320 AND i think that will impact. Negotiations the other QUESTION 876 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,079 i have is just you have someone he's been given the. 877 00:44:12,119 --> 00:44:16,000 Freedom he's averaging basically fourteen drives a. Game the efficiency 878 00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:18,679 was insane for a. While it's downticked a little. Bit we, 879 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,559 know we know we can play make out of. That 880 00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:23,079 we know he can be just not super, athletic but 881 00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:26,480 he can be physical and has some good touch on the. 882 00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:29,599 Move but where does he fit? In like The heat 883 00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:32,280 have needed him to be on ball a bunch this. 884 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,320 YEAR i wonder where he fits into a team that's 885 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,239 going to have to displace him more, often BECAUSE i 886 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,639 think part of the appeal with Abam adebayo A Tyler 887 00:44:39,679 --> 00:44:43,280 hero And Norman powell even At Caspers shaka shonas To 888 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,960 Pelee lars and they don't necessarily need the ball all the. 889 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,239 Time The heat's end game here is to get a 890 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,280 new best player at some, point and so you need 891 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,559 to believe one of two things That hamai Hawk Is 892 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,119 junior can be the player that everyone thought he was 893 00:44:58,159 --> 00:45:00,280 going to be as a rookie as part of a 894 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,079 more crowded or a more established ecosystem that maybe doesn't 895 00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:05,639 feature him as, probably or you need to believe that 896 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,519 the contract you're signing him to can be part of 897 00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:12,079 the outgoing asset firepower that helps you get that. 898 00:45:12,199 --> 00:45:15,599 Speaker 3: PLAYER i, so given how many guys are off the 899 00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:19,239 books in twenty, SEVEN i don't think a twenty five 900 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,840 million dollar a year, deal which it'll probably start lower 901 00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:25,960 in like the twenty three million ish, RANGE i don't 902 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,639 think that prevents them in any, way shape or, form 903 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,199 Like Andrew wakens to that point in, Time like if 904 00:45:32,199 --> 00:45:35,000 they signed him to an extension worth a lot less 905 00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:37,400 than what he's earning right, now he could also be 906 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,480 a treat can not Zarahro shecher's coming off the books 907 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,360 The Norman powell is getting a lot, Older so, like 908 00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:46,239 will he justify a salary of over twenty million moving? 909 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,840 Forward i'm not so. Sure Davion mitchell seems like the 910 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,840 compensation and the game is pretty hand in. Hand Unless 911 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:58,119 i'm like just drastically Underestimating Davion. Mitchell it just seemed 912 00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:00,280 like a perfectly reasonable contract what he. 913 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,159 Speaker 1: Provides oh, YEAH i mean especially because by and, large 914 00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:07,320 again like his he shot way better In miami than 915 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:08,880 he did With sacramento Or. 916 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,760 Speaker 3: Toronto, yeah and he's not like a play creator like 917 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,800 he's he's he's a good, passer but not an advanced. 918 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,280 One and and like for the most, part he's he's 919 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,400 a spot up. Guy like it just feels like his 920 00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:24,280 conversation level is, Fine like you won't have to worry 921 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,119 about Kill ware Or Cus Baro shako Shoon is because 922 00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:29,280 they're getting taken care of down the. Line the only 923 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,320 guy you do have to worry a little bit about 924 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,480 Is Pillow larson but like he also wouldn't break the. 925 00:46:33,519 --> 00:46:37,159 Bank the big question to me is what to do 926 00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:39,920 About hero and at a bio in twenty, Seven like 927 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,360 what are those situations? 928 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,800 Speaker 1: There But hero also that's a veteran, extension but he's 929 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,320 extension eligible as. 930 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,039 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, Exactly and that's What i'm, Saying like The 931 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,280 hero and then bio, situations like what what are those 932 00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:55,119 what are those deals going to to look? Like or 933 00:46:55,159 --> 00:46:58,599 it's gonna pivot off like so many open ended. Questions so, 934 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,760 Like i'm not gonna Put miami's motivation into the whole 935 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,920 equation because The heat have been looking for a superstar 936 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,760 for years, now and if they don't go about their 937 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,559 business and trying, to you, know keep Around Haimi, hokis for, 938 00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:17,559 example they're not doing their due. Diligence So i'm just 939 00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:19,559 going to look at What Haimi hakis should be getting 940 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,960 in terms of like his statistical, impact his, influence his, 941 00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:28,119 importance and perhaps twenty five could be too, Rich So 942 00:47:28,519 --> 00:47:31,599 i'm going to say between twenty and twenty. FIVE i 943 00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:34,840 know that's a broad, spectrum BUT i think that's the. 944 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:39,360 Speaker 1: RANGE i Think i'm probably closer to you with twenty 945 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,960 and we'd prefer it to average out to under. THAT 946 00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:44,000 i JUST i keep coming back to this is the 947 00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:46,880 most time he's gotten to spend on ball his entire, 948 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,639 career and that's. GREAT i just don't know how to 949 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:54,239 measure that Against. Okay and it's also the inconsistency of 950 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,199 The okay so has a good rookie, season then there's 951 00:47:57,199 --> 00:47:59,199 the whole sophomore slump where he's basically out of the 952 00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,079 rotation at one point To, okay now we have this. 953 00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:03,519 Season If i'm the, Heat i'm probably just pushing this 954 00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:07,679 to restricted free. AGENCY i don't think he's gonna get an. 955 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,280 EXTENSION i would actually be pretty surprised if he. 956 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,880 Speaker 3: Does that is fair that that was. 957 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,920 Speaker 2: So we're an agreement that we're at like no. 958 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,559 Speaker 1: POINT i guess we're just never gonna trust the three point. 959 00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:23,800 Speaker 3: Clip, no there's the REASON i didn't bring it. Up 960 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,199 now we're at five, names so we won't even have 961 00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,440 time to go Through Kim whitmore and how he should be. 962 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,559 Speaker 1: GETTING i was gonna make A Cam whitmore joke AND i. 963 00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:35,239 Didn't you're welcome appreciate. 964 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:39,079 Speaker 2: It for that your most improved player pick For Cam. 965 00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:42,599 Speaker 3: WHITMORE i might, YEAH i, mean, okay you saw the 966 00:48:42,679 --> 00:48:44,760 launching and WHAT i was trying to say about it, though, 967 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,880 right new team like bat. Team he could have checked 968 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,320 up a ton of. SHOTS i just didn't know he 969 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,199 wouldn't get the minutes like. 970 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:58,880 Speaker 1: Sure, whatever whatever you, say mister of THE nba podcast. 971 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:05,079 Fame can you tell our, listeners, subscribers audience members where 972 00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:06,480 they can find you and all the great work. 973 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,280 Speaker 3: That you, Do, yes, sir you can find me over 974 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,639 At Yahoo. Sports you can find me at THE np 975 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:19,440 podcast and if you speak or Understand, danish and if 976 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,599 you speak and Understand, danish you can listen TO bus 977 00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:26,400 Or beta or catch me calling games on HBO. 978 00:49:26,679 --> 00:49:29,800 Speaker 1: X until next, time and as, always we the shout 979 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,559 out to the, one the, only the, indellible Mister Frank 980 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,639 Pila tina