Speaker 1: You are now listening to the Someone's Favorite Productions podcast network.
Speaker 2: Hello there, and welcome back to the disc Connected here
Speaker 2: with Alan Maxon, who is an actor, director, editor creature
Speaker 2: affects everything extraordinary. Alan, thanks for coming on the show
Speaker 2: with me today.
Speaker 3: That is like the most gracious title I've ever heard.
Speaker 3: That makes me sound like I'm awesome. Thank you.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at IMDb, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff that you've had your hands and it's hard
Speaker 2: to sum all that up properly because a lot of
Speaker 2: it takes years of mastering the craft. And so here
Speaker 2: we are to catch up on the disconnected.
Speaker 3: All right, here we go twenty years of chatting. Let's go.
Speaker 2: We'll get into physical media a little while, because that's
Speaker 2: what brought you and I together. But we've got had
Speaker 2: a handful of things to discuss that are important. One
Speaker 2: of the things that people will most know you for,
Speaker 2: which you've already mentioned to me, is the thing that
Speaker 2: you had a lot of questions about. So we're gonna
Speaker 2: knock it out early. Let's talk about Godzilla. What'd you
Speaker 2: do for Godzilla?
Speaker 3: I've never heard of this movie.
Speaker 2: I'll send you the link in the private chat one second.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I played King Godora from Godzilla King of
Speaker 3: the Monsters in twenty nineteen via motion capture. Myself and
Speaker 3: Jason Lyles and Richard Dorton all played our respective heads.
Speaker 3: As if anyone is not familiar with the franchise, Kingadora
Speaker 3: is the three headed dragon, the big, the biggest arch
Speaker 3: nemesis of Godzilla. He's you know, the Godzilla fans are
Speaker 3: gonna hate me. I don't know the exact number, but
Speaker 3: he's a lot taller than Godzill. He is like the big,
Speaker 3: big bad and so yeah, basically in the movie when
Speaker 3: you see Godzilla fighting Kingadora, all of those stunts, all
Speaker 3: of those action scenes, we did them in real life
Speaker 3: usual most motion capture. There is an actor who played
Speaker 3: Godzilla and then the three actors of us that played Kingadora.
Speaker 3: We choreographed every fight and we just worked it out
Speaker 3: with the director and made some awesome monster scenes for everybody.
Speaker 2: And here you are now a part of the Monster
Speaker 2: Verse history. That's that's got to feel pretty special.
Speaker 3: I'm honored. It's a huge franchise. Not only is it
Speaker 3: you know, I think it's like it's over sixty five
Speaker 3: years at this point. Yeah, but it's not just a
Speaker 3: domestic franchise. It's worldwide. Obviously Japanese, but like every country
Speaker 3: knows about Godzilla, and particularly right now, you know, it's
Speaker 3: a very hot time for Godzilla. You have Toho doing it,
Speaker 3: you have legendaryes doing it, you have Apple doing it.
Speaker 3: There's a lot going on. So I'm honored and grateful
Speaker 3: and it's cool. It's super fun. And Godzilla man.
Speaker 2: You you've you've acted in tons of things and then
Speaker 2: to step into a mo capsuit, do you feel yourself
Speaker 2: preparing differently for that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's a great question. Good question, Ryan, So
Speaker 3: a lot. I'd say ninety percent of my roles are
Speaker 3: suits or prosthetics, Like I'm in a physical suit playing
Speaker 3: a non human character. But for Mo cap and then
Speaker 3: particularly for Kingadora, not only is it it's just a
Speaker 3: different beast where.
Speaker 2: The way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So with motion capture in a physical suit,
Speaker 3: you have to lean into the restrictions of the suit.
Speaker 3: If the character is humanoid, you you can lean into
Speaker 3: it easier. If there's more things like a tail or,
Speaker 3: long extended claws, giant snouts, things that make you have
Speaker 3: to change your perspective and your your awareness of your surroundings.
Speaker 3: You really have to adapt your physicality to that to
Speaker 3: make it not only work, but make it believable. On camera,
Speaker 3: mocap is a little different because it's capturing your data
Speaker 3: of your skeleton. So some mo cap you'll see they
Speaker 3: do add things like tails or extensions. You know, Plant
Speaker 3: of the Ape still had the arm extensions, but something
Speaker 3: like Kingadora. There's three heads, so there's three actors, Jason,
Speaker 3: Richard and I. We basically they Originally we tried tying
Speaker 3: us together like potato sack style, like a sack race,
Speaker 3: but then they tied our ankles and then we were
Speaker 3: just like with because the stunts, as you saw in
Speaker 3: the movie, there's a lot of smashing and crushing into
Speaker 3: buildings and smacking and biting. It just got too clumsy
Speaker 3: being tied. So what we decided to do was we
Speaker 3: just trusted each other. You know, Jason was in the
Speaker 3: middle because he's the tallest. Richard and I on each side.
Speaker 3: We put our hands on Jason's back and that was
Speaker 3: kind of our support and he could feel our momentum
Speaker 3: like when we're moving, so we could all move as one.
Speaker 3: But then also the way the character is physicality wise.
Speaker 3: It doesn't have six legs and six hands, so we
Speaker 3: kind of have to, you know, imagine our hips are
Speaker 3: the shoulder of the character, so our whole torso is
Speaker 3: the neck in the face. Obviously, for facial capture, we
Speaker 3: did a lot of performance with with biting and snarls
Speaker 3: and emotion. That was a big thing was the emotion.
Speaker 3: Each head has a different personality and so he wanted
Speaker 3: us to lean into that. And if you watch the
Speaker 3: behind the scenes of what Mike's direction was for each personality,
Speaker 3: it comes off on screen. I thought it was very
Speaker 3: clever for him to do that because all of the
Speaker 3: practical versions of Kinkodora, you don't get emotion in the
Speaker 3: face like you did in the CG one. So I
Speaker 3: thought it was cool to see you know, the curious,
Speaker 3: the alpha and then the angry and you can tell
Speaker 3: and a lot of stuff. You'd be watching it like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, I definitely make those faces or you
Speaker 3: know Richard does and j like you can just see
Speaker 3: so that there's it's different. It's a different technology, different
Speaker 3: performance that you have to put forward. So long winded
Speaker 3: answer turn short. Yeah, you prepare.
Speaker 2: Different well, and one of the words that you brought up,
Speaker 2: which I'm so glad you did because I was going
Speaker 2: to use it in this next part. Is it when
Speaker 2: you're doing mocap, You know, you mentioned that you're capturing data,
Speaker 2: and it's all about that emoting and the way that
Speaker 2: you emote from OCAP, the way that you emote in
Speaker 2: a full blown creature suit or something, you know, with
Speaker 2: the tail or, long arms or snout or whatever is
Speaker 2: going to be very different than somebody just acting because
Speaker 2: you don't want to overact, of course. But now we
Speaker 2: throw in a fourth thing in your movie, which we'll
Speaker 2: talk about more in a little while. You also did
Speaker 2: a voice which brings on a whole other different version
Speaker 2: of emoting. So, as somebody that's going into all of
Speaker 2: these and trying to do your best to capture this
Speaker 2: realistic take on it, what's the most difficult one for
Speaker 2: you to emote properly? For what's the most difficult one
Speaker 2: for you to get into.
Speaker 3: Being a human? Because I play so many monsters and
Speaker 3: creatures and it's rare when I get a humor ole.
Speaker 3: I played one in a film very recently. I think
Speaker 3: it comes out at the end of this year, if
Speaker 3: not the beginning of Next and I played a human
Speaker 3: and I had to really focus on toning down because
Speaker 3: when you're in prosthetic, you have an inch stick barrier
Speaker 3: between your face and the camera, and so you have
Speaker 3: to over accentuate, but you don't want it to be
Speaker 3: like I'm acting. You have to play big but realistic bit.
Speaker 3: So it's like this fine line that I've honed into
Speaker 3: over the last you know, decade of playing these type
Speaker 3: of characters that I just drop into naturally. Whereas when
Speaker 3: I don't have it and it's my face, I really
Speaker 3: have to make sure I'm not I'm a human because
Speaker 3: then it's not only is it not even what, it's
Speaker 3: dumb and you don't want to watch that. So that's
Speaker 3: the hardest for me. Luckily, when i've done it, either
Speaker 3: the directors are good liars or they're very gracious and
Speaker 3: tell me that I've done well. But but I think,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm so hyper focused to make sure that
Speaker 3: I do good because I don't play them so often,
Speaker 3: so I definitely I put an extra foot forward. When
Speaker 3: those happen.
Speaker 2: There's a little more reputation mistake because they can see
Speaker 2: your face too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't blame.
Speaker 2: With with alien planet. That that is your baby, that
Speaker 2: that is something that was all you from the ground up,
Speaker 2: and it's out in the world. Now, how how have
Speaker 2: you felt releasing that to the world and allowing yourself
Speaker 2: to get feedback on it? Because I know for a
Speaker 2: lot of directors that the first big one is kind
Speaker 2: of a difficult step to take.
Speaker 3: Like that, Yeah, you know, you go through waves because
Speaker 3: it means a lot to you when you put in
Speaker 3: you know, I put in three years making this. I
Speaker 3: had a huge amount of help from the cast and
Speaker 3: crew and the backers and everybody who helped make it happen.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, the amount of hats and
Speaker 3: hours and days that I personally wore, it's hard to
Speaker 3: sometimes see negative feedback because you just go, oh, I'd
Speaker 3: like to see you do it better. But you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's one of those things where you just you
Speaker 3: roll with the punches and everyone has their own opinion.
Speaker 3: And and while it's easy to say things like, you know,
Speaker 3: I had a budget of about eighty grand versus a
Speaker 3: lot of big buddon movies have millions. Yes, there's a
Speaker 3: huge difference, but at the same time, you have to
Speaker 3: learn to work with what you have and not use
Speaker 3: it as a crush to say, well, it sucks because
Speaker 3: of this. You have to lean into your strengths and
Speaker 3: hide things and get creative. And I think a lot
Speaker 3: of film buffs, you know, the stereotype, so you hear
Speaker 3: like Sam Raymi and stuff like that. It's a very
Speaker 3: common thing you put out and say, oh, Samuraimi didn't
Speaker 3: have a budget and he did great. You know, so
Speaker 3: it's true and you have to do that. But I
Speaker 3: think because Alien Planet is a very specific genre one
Speaker 3: there's no human characters, it's all aliens with prosthetics, makeup.
Speaker 3: There's puppets, there's monsters. It's very over the top blood
Speaker 3: but also very serious social commentary, like Star Trek style.
Speaker 3: So it's super genre. And I think if you are
Speaker 3: into that, the critics and the feedback has been spot
Speaker 3: on and they love it and they get it. I
Speaker 3: think the people that don't like it, we're expecting something
Speaker 3: different or it's not their their style. And I know
Speaker 3: even movie buffs tend to not always like that genre.
Speaker 3: You know, there's sometimes there's pretentiousness, yeah with movie buffs.
Speaker 3: But I think you know, if you like Star Trek,
Speaker 3: enemy mine Alien Nation, that style of movie. I mean,
Speaker 3: you're gonna like Alien Planet. And then the blood in
Speaker 3: it is so over the top. It's almost like Renfield
Speaker 3: level of blood where it's just one one smack to
Speaker 3: the head is just a gallon of blood. It's it's
Speaker 3: visual eye candy. And so yeah, the reception has been interesting.
Speaker 3: It's been highs and lows. I think it's very rare
Speaker 3: to hear a middle ground. I don't think I've ever
Speaker 3: heard anyone be like that was okay, Like it's always
Speaker 3: like I loved it, or that was garbage.
Speaker 2: Well, and thankfully, if you if you look through your
Speaker 2: IMDb credits, you've kind of been playing in the sandbox
Speaker 2: for quite some time. There's a lot of low budget
Speaker 2: films here. There's a lot of stuff that many of
Speaker 2: these pretentious people would scoff at. But there's also lots
Speaker 2: of fans of these things. I mean, when you're in
Speaker 2: the Evil Bong franchise, when you're playing around in the
Speaker 2: Puppet Master series and with The Asylum and Full Moon
Speaker 2: and all these other companies that are dealing with you know,
Speaker 2: four day shoots and less than one hundred thousand dollars,
Speaker 2: you kind of get used to that. So do you
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, say, in the next ten years
Speaker 2: of stuff magically takes off and you're suddenly doing incredible,
Speaker 2: you know, million dollar movies every single month. Do you
Speaker 2: think that that helped hone where you're going to be
Speaker 2: because of the abrasiveness of that low budget world.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. And it's interesting because I don't actually equate myself
Speaker 3: with the low budget world. While I have done a
Speaker 3: handful of them, I've also worked on the high budget
Speaker 3: world as well as an elder and also roles in performing,
Speaker 3: So I have this good, well rounded observation of how
Speaker 3: it's done correctly on a professional level, but also how
Speaker 3: you can correctly cut corners when you don't have the money,
Speaker 3: and I try to that's what I attempted. I guess
Speaker 3: you or the audience can tell me if I'm right
Speaker 3: or wrong. But what my goal was with Alien Planet
Speaker 3: was to do the professional level that I work in
Speaker 3: as an editor and performing while cutting the necessary corners
Speaker 3: to make it fit within you know, a seventy five
Speaker 3: eighty thousand dollars budget. And I think the biggest thing
Speaker 3: for that that I'm most proud of was the fact
Speaker 3: that there's no humans that many practical effects and prosthetics
Speaker 3: and everything on that budget.
Speaker 2: That's all.
Speaker 3: I have yet to see it done on that budget.
Speaker 3: So I try to walk the line and to answer
Speaker 3: your question of doing more things, that's also ultimately the goal.
Speaker 3: My first film that I wrote and directed was a
Speaker 3: budget of one thousand dollars and it was called Christmas
Speaker 3: with Cookie. And it's a bad movie, but it got
Speaker 3: a huge quote following for being bad, and every Christmas,
Speaker 3: the streaming on that movie just spikes. But we lean
Speaker 3: into it because I was like, if you're going to
Speaker 3: make a movie for a thousand bucks, you have to
Speaker 3: lean into it.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: And it even recently got, you know, a physical media
Speaker 3: release with lunch Meat vhs, so it has a scratch
Speaker 3: VHS colored green and red that you can order from them.
Speaker 3: And so after that, I wanted to make Alien Planet,
Speaker 3: but I knew because Christmas with Cookie was so low
Speaker 3: budget and campy, it's very trauma, it's very bad. It's
Speaker 3: meant to be bad. I didn't want that to be
Speaker 3: what people thought I could only make, so I had
Speaker 3: to make another show of work on a higher quality level.
Speaker 3: So I invested about five grand into a short film
Speaker 3: called Patina and this is It was a ten minute
Speaker 3: short about an AI robot that goes wrong. I don't
Speaker 3: want to spoil the ending, but you know it's basically
Speaker 3: it's like The Terminator meets the Twilight Zone. And I
Speaker 3: made it serious and I tried to make it actually
Speaker 3: a well made ten minute piece on that low of
Speaker 3: a budget. Once I did that, I was like, Okay, cool,
Speaker 3: Now I have a show of work that shows I'm
Speaker 3: not just Christmas with Cookie. So then I moved forward
Speaker 3: with Alien Planet. I shot a spec trailer we shot
Speaker 3: in one day. We made basically a concept of what
Speaker 3: it would be if we made it, and then I
Speaker 3: raised the money on Indiegogo and then we went from there.
Speaker 3: And so you know, I went from one thousand to
Speaker 3: five thousand to give or take eighty grand. So that's
Speaker 3: the goal of each movie. I want to up the
Speaker 3: budget production deal. Just keep going and yeah, maybe one
Speaker 3: day I will have a multimillion dollar budget and I'll
Speaker 3: look back and like you're Ryan, remember when you ask.
Speaker 2: I hope it pans out. The budget The budget ballooning
Speaker 2: comes with expectations, of course, when you're going to be
Speaker 2: making something like that, How how you know, trepidacious? Were
Speaker 2: you for the Indiegogo? I know that's been a big,
Speaker 2: you know, question mark for a lot of people that
Speaker 2: need the fundraise because the world's changed dramatically.
Speaker 3: It's a means to an end. So I will say
Speaker 3: it was one of the toughest things I've ever done.
Speaker 3: I did a thirty day campaign. I didn't have a team.
Speaker 3: I had cast and crew helping. I had a handful
Speaker 3: of people that were fantastic sharers and they shared and
Speaker 3: promoted and reach out to others. But a lot of
Speaker 3: Indigogo people like hire a full time team of five
Speaker 3: to ten people that they're ten hours a day, that's
Speaker 3: all they're doing. That job was basically up to me,
Speaker 3: so it was a lot of work. Honestly, those third
Speaker 3: days was harder than the three years of making the movie, right.
Speaker 3: But I'm not a person who comes from nepotism or privilege,
Speaker 3: so I don't have any connections to reach out to
Speaker 3: someone to say, hey, you won't be my investor. So
Speaker 3: it was my only means to get the movie made,
Speaker 3: and I support it. I say, if you're a filmmaker
Speaker 3: and you don't have a way to have money, do
Speaker 3: it because unfortunately, filmmaking is the most expensive art and
Speaker 3: you can't do it for free like you can. But
Speaker 3: it looks like Christmas with cookie when you do that well,
Speaker 3: and you know, one thing to take the heart on
Speaker 3: top of if you are.
Speaker 2: You know, supporting a filmmaker, actually support them and use
Speaker 2: your wallet to support them. But the other side of
Speaker 2: that is through all of this, this is a very
Speaker 2: inspiring story. I mean, you've been in la for almost
Speaker 2: two decades. You have worked your way up from smaller
Speaker 2: things to being in the Monster verse and directing your
Speaker 2: own film. That's not necessarily the normal story for a
Speaker 2: lot of people that go to LA. So in that like,
Speaker 2: what was there ever any point in the last two
Speaker 2: decades that was like, well, time to go back, time
Speaker 2: to head back to Michigan.
Speaker 3: That particular sentence. No, sorry Michiganders, but I don't ever
Speaker 3: want to live in that state. I'm not one for
Speaker 3: the snow. But no, I don't think there's ever a
Speaker 3: thought of that's it or this is the end. The
Speaker 3: entertainment industry is hard. I will not lie if if
Speaker 3: someone is fresh out of school or from a a
Speaker 3: state that's not California and you're looking at moving out.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be hard. It will not be easy by
Speaker 3: any means, and I don't think it ever gets easy.
Speaker 3: I think you'll hear a lot of even very successful
Speaker 3: people when you think, oh they're they're doing this, they
Speaker 3: acted in that or directed this, They're fine.
Speaker 2: I love the accident changed there by the way that
Speaker 2: was perfect. You see the people over there.
Speaker 3: Well, those god American Hollywood, they're all drinking their avocado juice,
Speaker 3: which I would if there is such a thing as
Speaker 3: avocado juice, I would totally try it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but after those twenty years you've been in a
Speaker 2: you played the opposite Godzilla like not many people can
Speaker 2: say that. And to go from Michigan to Florida to
Speaker 2: la and be able to stay there for that long,
Speaker 2: that's that. It's a lot of perseverance.
Speaker 3: That's the key word is. I think you can't go
Speaker 3: into the entertainment industry. You know, you hear it as
Speaker 3: a stereotype. You can't go in it for the money
Speaker 3: or fame or whatnot. You really have to that's got
Speaker 3: to be your passion because it's going to continually test
Speaker 3: your patience and if you don't enjoy it, you will
Speaker 3: for sure not want to keep going. It's perseverance. And
Speaker 3: also I don't know, it's at a certain point it's
Speaker 3: almost like too far to go back, you know, like
Speaker 3: what am I going to What am I going to do? It?
Speaker 3: Am I start over at a minimum wage job somewhere else?
Speaker 3: It's just no one's my resume says you know, a decade,
Speaker 3: two decades long in the entertainment industry, no one's going
Speaker 3: to hire me. I'm uhiable. So I have to I
Speaker 3: have to stay in film and TV because it's you know,
Speaker 3: at a certain point, you're in too deep.
Speaker 2: Film TV and now streaming as you are premiering in
Speaker 2: Shutters VHS beyond this fall. Obviously it's not out yet,
Speaker 2: so there's not much that can be said. But I mean,
Speaker 2: this is pretty damn exciting. Like this is one of
Speaker 2: the biggest franchises and found footage over last five or
Speaker 2: eight years. How cool is this?
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm very excited to be part of it. Not
Speaker 3: only is it another cool franchise, but for me, he
Speaker 3: has a little personal connection with the directors, So Jordan
Speaker 3: Downey and Kevin Stewart, they were the creators of ThanksKilling,
Speaker 3: and I had the honor of working with them on
Speaker 3: ThanksKilling three. I went to South Dakota with them for
Speaker 3: it was either two or three or four weeks or
Speaker 3: something like that, and we film Thanks Killing three and
Speaker 3: I got to wear a suit on set, and I
Speaker 3: credit them as the first like monster suit that I wore.
Speaker 3: And I was their on set editor as well, and
Speaker 3: we just stayed in touch. And that was Jesus and
Speaker 3: ten twelve years ago. And then they called me one
Speaker 3: day and they're like, Hey, do you want to be
Speaker 3: in our movie for Shutter? And I was like, hell, yeah.
Speaker 3: So it just kind of worked out that, you know,
Speaker 3: we stayed in touch and we're buddies and they had
Speaker 3: this great opportunity, which is well deserved. They're so talented
Speaker 3: and I really enjoy working with them. And yeah, so
Speaker 3: it's a little for me. It's kind of like a
Speaker 3: full circle of like, oh, a decade ago, guys on
Speaker 3: this silly little movie, and now we're we're connecting again
Speaker 3: on a cool franchise that what is this number ten
Speaker 3: or something from that franchise.
Speaker 2: It's not quite that many. It's like five or six,
Speaker 2: I think, though it's gotta be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's enough of them.
Speaker 2: It might even be seven cheez. I meanin they since
Speaker 2: they made the Leap to Shutter like they've been knocking
Speaker 2: them out I think the last four years, So yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe it is number seven's that's a lot. And you know,
Speaker 2: when that first one came out, it got good feedback,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't like, let's be doing this for the
Speaker 2: next nine years as a franchise.
Speaker 3: Feedback and lobably will I bet you they'll keep going
Speaker 3: like it's very successful and a lot of people love it.
Speaker 3: And you know, found footage for a while kind of
Speaker 3: got like an oversaturated bad rap, but I think that
Speaker 3: one's kind of stayed strong in that genre.
Speaker 2: We well, that is true, But on top of that,
Speaker 2: it's also really good way to bring filmmakers together to collaborate.
Speaker 2: It's a good way to have them create something for
Speaker 2: less budget because they're not doing it for eighty five minutes.
Speaker 2: And then on top of all that, it allows people
Speaker 2: to prove themselves. I mean, through Found footage and anthologies,
Speaker 2: we've gotten some of our best creators ever that were
Speaker 2: able to knock something out and make a big splash.
Speaker 3: Another Monster Verse director came from there, and I think
Speaker 3: Justin Long is directing one in this movie that I'm in.
Speaker 3: So it's like, really, and I don't know if he
Speaker 3: has directed before, but obviously he's known for being an actress.
Speaker 3: So it's like you said, it's another chance to prove
Speaker 3: himself as a filmmaker. So it's cool.
Speaker 2: It's very good with all of this on your resume.
Speaker 2: You mentioned the word proud earlier. I got to ask you,
Speaker 2: you have hit so many different sides of the acting
Speaker 2: and entertainment world. What is the one thing, we'll say,
Speaker 2: other than Aline Planet and Godzilla, what is the one
Speaker 2: thing that you're like, Damn, I really did that, and
Speaker 2: I feel incredible that I was able to put that
Speaker 2: out of the world.
Speaker 3: I would say a film that's not out yet called
Speaker 3: Oranga Khan. This Oranga Khan translates in Indonesian to fish Man,
Speaker 3: and it's a movie that I filmed in Indonesia last
Speaker 3: year in October. I was in there. I was in
Speaker 3: the jungles of Indonesia and a very hot and heavy
Speaker 3: monster suit fighting and killing some actors for thirty two days.
Speaker 3: And it was a hell of a time. And the
Speaker 3: performance and what I got to do as a as
Speaker 3: an actor in a suit was. I think it's gonna
Speaker 3: be my greatest work yet, and I'm very proud of it.
Speaker 3: I got to do heavy, heavy stunts WI your work,
Speaker 3: fleeing me through the air twenty five feet up, a
Speaker 3: soul suit and an animatronic helmet with all the gears going.
Speaker 3: And it's gonna be a good movie too. It's the
Speaker 3: script is fantastic. What I've seen so far of the
Speaker 3: footage looks great. So when that comes out, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be very, very proud to say that I
Speaker 3: played the ring acon.
Speaker 2: In that we do we know any details about the
Speaker 2: release that we can talk about yet or.
Speaker 3: I know, let's see, let's see what's on IMDb. What
Speaker 3: can we say about it? I don't know. I know
Speaker 3: they they did release a poster the synopsis, so on
Speaker 3: IMDb I am dB. It says uh set in the
Speaker 3: Pacific nineteen forty two, A Japanese soldier and a British
Speaker 3: prisoner of war are stranded on a deserted island, hunted
Speaker 3: by a deadly creature. Two mortal enemies must come together
Speaker 3: to survive the unknown. So that's what it's about. It's great.
Speaker 3: I'm going to be excited to be able to eventually
Speaker 3: talk about it, and I think monster lovers are going
Speaker 3: to love it. I think it's going to be a big,
Speaker 3: big favorite for interesting.
Speaker 2: With the kind of stuff you've done, it's inevitable that
Speaker 2: there's going to be some injuries. Any fun stories of
Speaker 2: stuff that's happened to you over the years to me
Speaker 2: i'm around you, perhaps.
Speaker 3: I'll tell one fun story for mine. I'm always very careful,
Speaker 3: so I have luckily never hurt myself because I'm always
Speaker 3: very aware that if I break something as the creature
Speaker 3: stunt actor, I'm done. I'm very cautious and I'm always
Speaker 3: talking everything through with the stunt team, the coordinators, the directors,
Speaker 3: and making sure that we have it down before any
Speaker 3: actions roll. But there was one fun moment that I
Speaker 3: can talk about where. It was a movie called The Woods,
Speaker 3: and this was done by a group called Sugar Pine seven.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it still exists, but they're a
Speaker 3: big YouTube group and it's full body prosthetics head to toe.
Speaker 3: They wanted me to grab a guy by his throat, snarl,
Speaker 3: have a bunch of blood go everywhere, and slid his throat.
Speaker 3: So they put the fake blood in my mouth. And
Speaker 3: this happens often, so eventually you learn to go cool,
Speaker 3: just give it to me in a cup and when
Speaker 3: you say rolling, then out down it and toss the cup.
Speaker 3: But they had me drink it, and as anyone who's
Speaker 3: been on set knows, it's always hurry up and wait.
Speaker 3: So I had a mouth full of fake blood and
Speaker 3: they're like cool and holding and I think we waited
Speaker 3: fifteen maybe twenty minutes. It was a long time, and
Speaker 3: I'm just Liva growing all the fake blood and then
Speaker 3: they go, all right, we're ready to roll, and I
Speaker 3: was like, I'm gonna have a lot of blood to
Speaker 3: spin out. So he calls action. We do the scene
Speaker 3: and as I grabbed the actor's throat as you would
Speaker 3: as a human being grabbed by a monster, you're gonna
Speaker 3: ah scream. So he's screaming with his mouth wide open,
Speaker 3: and I go and the blood doesn't go everywhere, it
Speaker 3: just goes straight in his mouth. I felt so for him,
Speaker 3: but he was such a trooper. He was like he
Speaker 3: laughed it off and spit.
Speaker 4: It out, and that was the take that was in
Speaker 4: the cut. So that was a fun little accident and
Speaker 4: a funny story.
Speaker 3: But Yeah, it's just it went straight into his Unfortunately.
Speaker 2: We uh we mentioned prosthetics a handful of times already.
Speaker 2: What is like the most elaborate prosthetics you've found yourself
Speaker 2: in so far.
Speaker 3: That I've been in. Yeah, well, I would say two
Speaker 3: answers for that one for me, almost all of them,
Speaker 3: because I would say, if it's if it's a suit,
Speaker 3: you know it's you put it on, you have a
Speaker 3: helmet and zip up and up. But if it's prosthetics,
Speaker 3: usually you're glued in all day, so it's face, owl, chest, arms, fingers, legs, everything.
Speaker 3: So when I'm a full body creature, there's been a
Speaker 3: handful of them. So I guess I'm just so used
Speaker 3: to it that I don't know if there's one that's
Speaker 3: like stands out. That was hard because you know, sometimes
Speaker 3: you just fully glued in. The orang of Con suit
Speaker 3: was it was tough because it was very very hot,
Speaker 3: and if anyone's ever been to Indonesia, it's very very hot,
Speaker 3: so it was just layers on layers of sweat. But
Speaker 3: I think Only Planet is something that I'd like to
Speaker 3: mention for that too, is because there's no human characters
Speaker 3: and we filmed for fourteen days. We had in prosthetics
Speaker 3: can't be reused. You have to have a new one
Speaker 3: every day.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: When you take it on and off, it just you know,
Speaker 3: it gets ruined. So we had I think it was
Speaker 3: like fifty five or sixty prosthetics made for that film.
Speaker 3: And that's a lot to go through and manage. And
Speaker 3: our makeup department head on set Alexis Paanessa, She's so fantastic.
Speaker 3: She basically wrangled all sixty of these prosthetics, had them
Speaker 3: organized and categorized who wears what on what day, and
Speaker 3: she had to prepaint all of them and just logistically
Speaker 3: be having all of that ready for fourteen days of
Speaker 3: shooting was a lot of pre production and it took
Speaker 3: a lot of planning and communication. And I think that
Speaker 3: was that was a huge ideal to do.
Speaker 2: So what's next? On the directing side? You got your
Speaker 2: next idea? Cooking? Yet?
Speaker 3: You think I do? I have a couple? I think
Speaker 3: one is I do have more ideas in the alien
Speaker 3: planet world. It's a world that I've built that I
Speaker 3: have a handful of stories that I think are worth telling.
Speaker 3: I also have another one that is actually a musical,
Speaker 3: So I got a couple things cooking. It's all a
Speaker 3: process of not just time, but also which ones can
Speaker 3: get correct funding, which ones have to wait for larger
Speaker 3: funding because you can't do everything on a very low budget.
Speaker 3: If it's a grand, grand movie, you really need to
Speaker 3: make sure that you have a certain amount to hit
Speaker 3: a certain level that the goal is. And I think
Speaker 3: particularly things are so different right now, at least in
Speaker 3: Los Angeles. I couldn't make Alien Planet today for my budget.
Speaker 3: Would it would genuinely be double if not more?
Speaker 2: Oh wow?
Speaker 3: And that movie came out last year. So it's like
Speaker 3: a lot has changed economically and just financially in the
Speaker 3: film industry. And I think, what is what is balloon
Speaker 3: so much? The cost of everything, cost of locations, the
Speaker 3: you know, the minimum wage of an employee, and because
Speaker 3: Hollywood has had a very tough time the last two years,
Speaker 3: I think in order to get certain things like makeup
Speaker 3: and prosthetics or props, everybody's bare minimum of what they
Speaker 3: can charge for stuff. It just continues to go up
Speaker 3: because mortgage goes up, rent goes up. Is you know,
Speaker 3: everything's through the roof, and yeah, I think it's crazy.
Speaker 3: In the last you know, three or four years. Just
Speaker 3: the the cost of everything is so high that you
Speaker 3: really have to be aware of it. You know, we
Speaker 3: tried shooting at the same location we shot Alien Planet
Speaker 3: app About a year later, I directed a short for
Speaker 3: an anthology film and I wanted the same location because
Speaker 3: it was a beautiful spot. And it went from eight
Speaker 3: hundred dollars a day to thirty five hundred dollars a day.
Speaker 3: Holy four it's a huge jump, and I was like,
Speaker 3: holy crap, fourteen days. I would not have been able
Speaker 3: to afford that, so it'd be my whole budget of
Speaker 3: the movie, so.
Speaker 2: Especially Jesus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's a lot to consider when it comes
Speaker 3: to what projects to choose to put your time in,
Speaker 3: because also, you know, someone like me, since I don't
Speaker 3: make you know, some filmmakers will put out multiple films
Speaker 3: a year or one every year. I'm really trying to
Speaker 3: focus on making each one step up from the previous,
Speaker 3: and so I think taking budget and money into consideration
Speaker 3: is a huge thing. I'm deciding which one to move
Speaker 3: forward with as I'm right, because I'm writing and conceptualizing
Speaker 3: a handful of right now. It is just a matter
Speaker 3: of as they get to a point where I go, Okay,
Speaker 3: I can move forward with this one. I just have
Speaker 3: to think of monetarily too. So it's a game. It's
Speaker 3: a business thing on top of creative, which is unfortunate
Speaker 3: because I would love to just let the creative juices flow.
Speaker 3: But of course it's a business as well.
Speaker 2: Speaking of things that have ballooned over the last couple
Speaker 2: of years, physical media is what brought you and I together,
Speaker 2: and you're a big fan of that.
Speaker 3: What is that? What's physical media?
Speaker 2: It is this novel concept that not many people understand,
Speaker 2: but I'm glad you do because it allowed us to
Speaker 2: spark a conversation. So what's your history of physical media overall?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, MAC, when I was a kid, that
Speaker 3: was the only option. But I also found it was
Speaker 3: very quickly, and I think people who like genre movies
Speaker 3: tend to notice this is early on. The biggest tell
Speaker 3: all of reasons why physical media is good is Star
Speaker 3: Wars because every time it was released, something was altered.
Speaker 3: When you went from LaserDisc to VHS to DVD to
Speaker 3: Blu ray to the four K Blu rays, every version
Speaker 3: had a different change, and I think that was an
Speaker 3: early notice. And then there's little things like special editions
Speaker 3: of other stuff. I think maybe you can tell me,
Speaker 3: or maybe the Internet will tell me how dumb I am.
Speaker 3: But I believe there's a point where Aceventura had from
Speaker 3: the DVD to the Blue rays, something was removed from
Speaker 3: a scene. And I believe Grimlins at a certain point
Speaker 3: you could only buy a special edition which had I
Speaker 3: think it was the keyboard music scene. And then et
Speaker 3: was notorious for another one, you know, the guns versus
Speaker 3: walkie talkies. Uh So, stuff like that made me realize
Speaker 3: how important it is to keep your copies and don't
Speaker 3: get rid of them. And then once we get into
Speaker 3: once we got into you know, the days of streaming,
Speaker 3: not just you know, DVD to Blu ray. Once streaming
Speaker 3: actually took off, the movies that I liked weren't on
Speaker 3: any of the damn streaming platforms. Like what am I
Speaker 3: gonna do? Buy it again on digital? No, I already
Speaker 3: have it. And then on top of that, the quality,
Speaker 3: and then particularly now with four K Blu rays, you
Speaker 3: can't get a four K streaming that looks as good
Speaker 3: as a four.
Speaker 2: K Blue ray never literally never.
Speaker 3: And also for filmmakers extra features. I know now Apple
Speaker 3: will do stuff like there's behind the scenes on some
Speaker 3: of them, but not always. And then I think even
Speaker 3: the New Kingdom of the Plant of the Apes, it
Speaker 3: comes with that cool rock cut where you get to
Speaker 3: see the side by side. I don't think you can
Speaker 3: get that on streaming.
Speaker 2: I think I.
Speaker 3: Don't think it's added on the extra features. So I
Speaker 3: think our age range, we are already well aware of
Speaker 3: all the reasons of why it's a positive to have
Speaker 3: physical media people our age and particular potentially younger. Obviously
Speaker 3: a lot do know and some do know, but I
Speaker 3: think we have to just continue advocating and educating and
Speaker 3: telling reasons so that the people who are watching streaming
Speaker 3: only might look up and in their twenties go oh,
Speaker 3: I didn't even know that was a thing. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: buy this, and just keep it alive. And I think
Speaker 3: what's cool is people like you having groups in a
Speaker 3: community in a post where you're like, hey, there's a
Speaker 3: new release for this and a new release for that.
Speaker 3: A lot of times we're seeing stuff we didn't even
Speaker 3: know existed before. And what's cool too is because it
Speaker 3: is so niche with the collectors, I'm finding the movies
Speaker 3: that you're getting four K releases are so obscure before
Speaker 3: we're getting like the original plan of the Apes doesn't
Speaker 3: even have a four K Blu ray, but like they
Speaker 3: they recently released Vincent Price Cooking Show on Blu Ray,
Speaker 3: and it's like, yeah, but of course I pre order it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: physical media is a good thing, and I think it's
Speaker 3: it's great. You know, you said it's how we met,
Speaker 3: and it's because of your your page, you know, disconnect
Speaker 3: is just it's it's a great community. And I look
Speaker 3: at it as news. I mean I checked your site
Speaker 3: more than then I'll check the actual news.
Speaker 2: I'm honored uh with with Alien Planet? How how did
Speaker 2: that feel to hold a Blu ray of something that
Speaker 2: you created and be able to stare and look at
Speaker 2: credits on the back and read a synopsis and feel
Speaker 2: I'm imagining just a men's pride over something that you
Speaker 2: made through and through.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely for all the reasons that I described. Because
Speaker 3: on streaming, I have I have distribution for Alien Planet
Speaker 3: on all of the platforms. You can watch it on Apple, Amazon,
Speaker 3: to Be, YouTube, all the like eleven or twelve sites
Speaker 3: that I'd never heard of until they said we're distributing
Speaker 3: your movie now. So it's everywhere. But the Blu Ray
Speaker 3: itself not only is the quality better. Yes, it's a
Speaker 3: Blu ray, so it's ten eighty, but it's made from
Speaker 3: a four K master, so when you pop it in
Speaker 3: you can tell the compression is definitely better than the
Speaker 3: streaming because the streaming for most, not all, but a
Speaker 3: lot of independent films, they don't release it in four K.
Speaker 3: On streaming, a lot of it goes straight to ten eighty,
Speaker 3: and they don't put the extra features. I delivered two
Speaker 3: making of featurettes with the streaming services, and none of
Speaker 3: them took it as just movie and trailer. So the
Speaker 3: Blu Ray has that. The Blue Ray has an eleven
Speaker 3: minute like making of with me talk about it while
Speaker 3: it's showing all the behind the scenes stuff, and then
Speaker 3: it's like a seventeen or nineteen minute behind the scenes
Speaker 3: just vomit of footage and me narrating what's happening and
Speaker 3: going to do it. So it's it's giving you an
Speaker 3: insight on how we made it, where you wouldn't have
Speaker 3: that without the Blu Ray. And so I'm proud to
Speaker 3: have that for all those those reasons of giving out
Speaker 3: to the world the stuff that I like from it,
Speaker 3: you know, being part of it, and yeah, just something
Speaker 3: who about holding it? You can't hold a digital file
Speaker 3: in your.
Speaker 2: Hand, It's true, and taking it off and feeling like,
Speaker 2: you know, you're looking through the shelves and rummaging through
Speaker 2: a video store essentially to be able to pull out
Speaker 2: tonight it's Aleen Planet Night. I mean, it's gotta be great.
Speaker 3: Yep, no, it's it's it's definitely an honor, and but
Speaker 3: it sucks because you know, I think particularly and you see,
Speaker 3: I'm curious if you've witnessed or heard other people mention this.
Speaker 3: But because independent films aren't seen the same as major releases,
Speaker 3: it's harder to get people to buy a physical copy.
Speaker 3: I find even streaming they don't even want to pay
Speaker 3: for it. On streaming, they will wait till it's on
Speaker 3: tub or YouTube. Even those commercials they're like, I'm not
Speaker 3: paying for it, which is funny because you know, if
Speaker 3: you think about it, like business wise, it means consumers
Speaker 3: are happy to give their money to rich, corrupt billionaires,
Speaker 3: but not a mom and pop shop. Like it's the
Speaker 3: same concept if you're willing to give your money to
Speaker 3: Deadpool versus Wolverine but you don't want to give your
Speaker 3: money to an indie filmmaker. It's like, it's just it's
Speaker 3: very interesting the mentality of consumption of entertainment in modern day.
Speaker 3: It feels less like art and more like trying to
Speaker 3: fight the thought process of being entitled to free content versus, hey,
Speaker 3: we put a lot of time and effort to this art.
Speaker 3: What do you think? You know? And you see that
Speaker 3: with reviews too. If someone loves it, they'll write, this
Speaker 3: was a great work. You can tell what people put
Speaker 3: into it. I can't imagine all the effort that they
Speaker 3: went into this and that, or you'll get a reviewer
Speaker 3: it says Garver, dark hero, garbage, thumbs down, emoji, you know.
Speaker 3: And it's like you can tell them the thought process
Speaker 3: of consumer when you read the reviews and stuff too.
Speaker 3: So it's very interesting to be so connected to the
Speaker 3: distribution process.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean there's a bunch of quirks of
Speaker 2: the consumption community that changed to I mean, there's so
Speaker 2: many people that will not pay for any film that
Speaker 2: came after a certain year because they don't like it,
Speaker 2: because it doesn't look filmic enough. There's plenty of people
Speaker 2: that simply don't like things that are low budget and
Speaker 2: they're against that whole world, which I don't really comprehend either.
Speaker 2: Be could I'm a little more ingrained in it than others,
Speaker 2: I guess maybe, But there's just so much out there
Speaker 2: to discover and to turn your to turn your back
Speaker 2: on all of it that I couldn't do that. Like
Speaker 2: that sounds that sounds awful to do.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is just a hunch, but it feels
Speaker 3: like I think someone like you and I we look
Speaker 3: at it as a show of art, the same as
Speaker 3: if we went to go see a local band play,
Speaker 3: or if we went to go at an art gallery
Speaker 3: and be like, Oh, our neighbor down the road painted this,
Speaker 3: that's awesome, you're talented, Whereas I think a lot of
Speaker 3: people do look at entertainment less like an art and
Speaker 3: more like what is for me? This is It's required.
Speaker 3: It's like water like watching TV after work is as
Speaker 3: essential as getting free water. Like It's almost like there's
Speaker 3: a weird disconnect because the type of art that it is.
Speaker 2: So it's a good point. If everybody was interested in
Speaker 2: your work, where do you want them to go seek
Speaker 2: you out? Yeah?
Speaker 3: So, I guess if you want to see what I've
Speaker 3: done as an actor my website Alanmason dot com. I
Speaker 3: also have if you can't spell my name correctly, just
Speaker 3: creature actor dot com. We'll take you there as well.
Speaker 2: Wow, good ur l lovely se oh very good.
Speaker 3: Straight to the point. But if you want to watch
Speaker 3: my films alienplanetfilm dot com. It has links to all
Speaker 3: the streaming, It has links to getting the physical media
Speaker 3: on Amazon Christmas with Cookie is all so on there.
Speaker 3: You can get that on the thing too is. I
Speaker 3: have it set up so that if you buy any
Speaker 3: of my film's Cookie or Alien Planet, I'm going to
Speaker 3: send you both, so you'll get both in the package.
Speaker 3: So don't don't buy buying both, you'll get them both in.
Speaker 2: One unless you want to be extra supportive that obviously.
Speaker 3: Yeah, then feel free then I'll send you for I'll
Speaker 3: send you four, but no you can. You can also
Speaker 3: follow me on social media, where I post all of
Speaker 3: my acting and directing stuff constantly, So I guess on
Speaker 3: all of the social media's it's monster maxim. I have Instagram,
Speaker 3: Twitter formerly known as Twitter. I don't have a TikTok,
Speaker 3: but you can pretend to do.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine somebody as busy as you making the
Speaker 2: time to do TikTok stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, it's also I barely wanted to do the other
Speaker 3: social medias you can off tune modern day, so at
Speaker 3: a certain point I was just like, I'm cut off
Speaker 3: because of TikTok. It Also, maybe I'm wrong, but it
Speaker 3: seems like it's less about promoting your work and it's
Speaker 3: more I'm gonna dance to a song or something MIDI
Speaker 3: that could be wrong. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Let's not go to it a detail because we'll sound
Speaker 2: very old speaking about it. Alan, Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for taking the time today. I know this is the
Speaker 2: middle of the workday for you. This is great. I
Speaker 2: really hope that a lot of people are interested in
Speaker 2: check out your work, and many of them have already
Speaker 2: seen it in Godzilla, and now they just get to
Speaker 2: know the man behind the suit.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, and for the people who like Godzilla,
Speaker 3: this is another behind the scenes thing. If you don't
Speaker 3: have the Blu Ray, Godzilla has a little featurette called
Speaker 3: Creating Godora, and you can see us in the mocap
Speaker 3: suits doing all the work. I think it's on YouTube,
Speaker 3: but if not, go get the Blu.
Speaker 2: Ray or the four K promises.
Speaker 3: Four K even better. Yeah, and I also and I'm
Speaker 3: curious if you see this being so deep in the
Speaker 3: physical media world, is are you noticing that even brand
Speaker 3: new releases after the initial release don't continue as much
Speaker 3: like I'm seeing major releases. They get a first push,
Speaker 3: but then once they kind of sell out, then you
Speaker 3: start seeing them on eBay for like seventy to eighty bucks,
Speaker 3: and you go, that movie just came out last year,
Speaker 3: What the heck.
Speaker 2: There's quite a few examples of that, especially like not
Speaker 2: of course, the special edition releases will always have that,
Speaker 2: but there are you know, a lot of these that
Speaker 2: are either selling out because the print runs are shorter,
Speaker 2: or on top of that, they're just well, the collector's
Speaker 2: market will buy up what we have, so let's only
Speaker 2: plan I don't know, ten thousand, and based on that,
Speaker 2: they're gone. And when something like Oppenheimer can sell fifty
Speaker 2: four k's in week one, but other stuff can't even
Speaker 2: sell ten thousand over like a year or two, that's
Speaker 2: kind of telling about the size of what we're dealing
Speaker 2: with here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm also noticing the thing that's fun about it
Speaker 3: is packaging. So back when we all made the first
Speaker 3: jump to DVD, like from VHS to DVD. The fun
Speaker 3: thing was the packaging. They were so creative, like I
Speaker 3: remember they had to that looked like the necrocomic con
Speaker 3: and like multidisc sets and like colorful cases. And then
Speaker 3: Blu Ray came and we're so captivated by the quality,
Speaker 3: and it was just a boring ass Blu Ray case.
Speaker 3: But now that play is back and it's collectors, I'm
Speaker 3: seeing we're getting awesome things like Umbrella makes some badass cases,
Speaker 3: and Narrow does it too, and and steal books and
Speaker 3: you're getting things like that, and it's just it's fun
Speaker 3: to see the actual item on the shelf being fun
Speaker 3: to look at, like, oh, I can look at this
Speaker 3: book before I watched the movie, even though I already
Speaker 3: know the movie about the lot, but it's like meds
Speaker 3: to it. I'm I'm happy to see that kind of
Speaker 3: coming back a little.
Speaker 2: It's a big deal now. I just wish we could
Speaker 2: emulate the DVD menu because that was an art form
Speaker 2: in itself.
Speaker 3: I might be the one who disagrees, Oh, it took
Speaker 3: way too much time to fly through space land and
Speaker 3: have a little design. I just want to like, get
Speaker 3: to pick what I'm.
Speaker 2: On now, I just want a fun picture in the background.
Speaker 3: At least fair enough. Yeah, because blue rays or four
Speaker 3: kblers are now just it's just still yep. So you're right,
Speaker 3: it's very simple. Some of them took a while. And
Speaker 3: I also know, like I'm a big trekky and things
Speaker 3: like Deep Space Nine's DVD. You can't even hit play all.
Speaker 3: You gotta go manually through every episode to and you're like,
Speaker 3: I just wanted to play all and sit back, so
Speaker 3: you meet in the middle. Have a cool menu, but
Speaker 3: like get to the point a little bit more.
Speaker 2: And have options. Yeah, options are fine with me. All right, Alan,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for the time. I'm sure we'll
Speaker 2: be talking more. If there's anything else that comes out,
Speaker 2: I'll be sure to let everybody else know about it.
Speaker 2: But in the meantime, check out creatureactor dot com. Check
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