WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.160 What is ruining the future of our young people? Television? 2 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:09.039 Tory Champagne, choice us right now, director, filmmaker, friend of Gary, 3 00:00:09.599 --> 00:00:12.160 ESPN Superstar. What's going on? Tory? 4 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:16.800 What a segue? Ruiner of education? I hope really as 5 00:00:16.839 --> 00:00:20.199 a filmmaker and director, we're trying to enlighten people. Hopefully 6 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:22.920 that's the conversation to bring to the table. 7 00:00:23.039 --> 00:00:25.160 I love TV, I love streaming whatever it is, and 8 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:27.760 I just think I just talked about an hour about 9 00:00:27.760 --> 00:00:30.120 how we need to support our teachers and how our 10 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:32.520 kids have to be smarter and so forth. And I 11 00:00:32.640 --> 00:00:35.079 just have this memory of my dad saying, are you 12 00:00:35.119 --> 00:00:36.920 are you watching a damn boob tube again? 13 00:00:37.280 --> 00:00:37.520 Yes? 14 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:40.280 I am, and I love every minute of it. Okay, 15 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:41.960 we're going to talk about some cool shows that are 16 00:00:41.960 --> 00:00:47.679 going on right now. And I can't. I can't wrap 17 00:00:47.759 --> 00:00:51.159 my hand my head around this one. Actually, Rob, can 18 00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:52.280 we roll that? Do we have this? 19 00:00:52.479 --> 00:00:52.679 Lets? 20 00:00:52.799 --> 00:00:57.799 Can we roll the seventh Spike? Let's do that, mister Scout. 21 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:03.119 I know you're still weighing whether to return to Newman 22 00:01:06.159 --> 00:01:10.719 That the mark I've come to the happy Hello? 23 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:14.120 Is anyone there is the born on Marcus macrit. 24 00:01:16.599 --> 00:01:20.560 I'm just too dumb to understand. Can you explain you 25 00:01:20.680 --> 00:01:22.359 love the show? Can you explain it to me? 26 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:26.280 Yeah? Well, I think, you know, I think, uh, you know, 27 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:27.640 I think we talked before. You know. 28 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:29.680 It's it's a you know, sad with the passing of 29 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:33.400 David Lynch, you know, an American icon and filmmaking who 30 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:36.000 was kind of known for his surrealism and as noir 31 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:38.719 and everything else. So it's kind of a fitting thing 32 00:01:39.200 --> 00:01:43.000 with the return of The Severance on Apple Plus kind 33 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:45.640 of coming back for a second season tomorrow. Now, the 34 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:48.760 show's been on hiatus for three years and when it 35 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:51.959 came out, uh is you know it was written by 36 00:01:52.040 --> 00:01:56.200 a relatively unknown and almost literally unknown guy named Dan Erickson, 37 00:01:56.760 --> 00:02:00.120 and he had sent it into Ben Stiller's company, and 38 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:03.000 Ben Stiller loved it and decided to direct it. Now 39 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:06.280 that the series itself, what I love about it the most, 40 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:09.000 and kind of talking about different eras of television, is 41 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:12.199 it kind of harkens back to the era of Lost 42 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:16.680 in a show that ABC debuted, and it was something 43 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:19.080 that everybody could understand, being trapped on a desert island, 44 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:22.439 but it got progressively weirder and stranger and more mysterious 45 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:25.080 and Severns has a very similar thing, but it's kind 46 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:28.360 of told through the lens of what it's like to 47 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:32.000 be trapped at work or in your daily life. And 48 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:34.400 the premise of the series is there's a company called 49 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:37.319 lumin Industries where to get a job there you have 50 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:41.199 to sever and have a procedure where they basically you 51 00:02:41.240 --> 00:02:43.520 can only live your life and work and when you're 52 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:46.199 at work, everything happens at work, and when you leave, 53 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:49.800 you're going to live your regular life, but you're kind 54 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:52.199 of trapped inside work and trapped on the outside and 55 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:55.199 the two can never connect, so this procedure, so it's 56 00:02:55.199 --> 00:02:59.520 really it's this really interesting look at the split or 57 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:02.520 the kind of human existence inside the workplace versus your 58 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:05.280 regular life and how those two can affect each other 59 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:09.919 without even kind of realizing it. And the series does 60 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:11.960 a really great job, kind of in the David Lynch 61 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:16.039 vein of feeling very twin Peaks and then you know again, 62 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:17.599 Adam Scott is. 63 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:18.919 The main actor. 64 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:22.639 There's a great cast, and there's a lot of hype 65 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:24.800 leading into the second season for Apple. 66 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:27.599 Explain to me why that's a bad thing. 67 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:31.000 I think it's a good thing, you know, I think 68 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:33.039 it's a good thing for streaming, and I think it's 69 00:03:33.039 --> 00:03:36.680 a good thing that, you know, much like Stranger Things 70 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:39.280 has done for Netflix, where it's this must see kind 71 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:44.199 of television experience and a streaming platform where you know, 72 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:47.280 there is this long window as you're waiting and anticipating. 73 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:50.479 So they kind of have stumbled upon something in streaming 74 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:53.039 that I think it's the anticipation of a film. Like 75 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:55.719 you wait for a summer blockbuster, you're kind of waiting 76 00:03:55.759 --> 00:03:59.680 for your you know, blockbuster series to come back. So 77 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:01.479 I don't, you know, the hiatus, So I don't know 78 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:04.639 exactly the reason why three years, but I do think 79 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:09.280 it actually, maybe intentionally or unintentionally helped with people rewatching 80 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:11.879 the series. It gave a longer window for people to 81 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:13.759 kind of pick up on it because when it came out, 82 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:16.920 it was it was heralded for being great and won awards, 83 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:19.560 but the general public didn't pick up on it. In 84 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:23.759 mass it kind of kept growing and growing growing, So again, 85 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:26.519 it's it's really interesting to see a series that has 86 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:30.399 that kind of Twin Peaks vibe or that lost vibe 87 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:34.800 that is more of an adult kind of serious dark drama, 88 00:04:35.319 --> 00:04:39.040 kind of dark comedy kind of take the forefront and Apple, 89 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:42.959 who has a smaller footprint in the streaming space. You know, 90 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:46.759 they really have kind of stumbled onto maybe their thing 91 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:49.120 that's gonna that's really going to open up the aperture 92 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:49.480 for them. 93 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:52.920 Yeah, it's their bear, you know, like the bear. Yeah, yeah, 94 00:04:52.959 --> 00:04:55.519 but no, I should have been more clear. Why is 95 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:57.519 it a bad thing that if I go home, I 96 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:00.360 don't remember work, or I've found that work I don't 97 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:03.920 remember home. I mean, I understand what you're saying. I 98 00:05:03.959 --> 00:05:06.480 get the premise. It's in a little creepy, but I 99 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:09.600 would be much more effective at work if I wasn't 100 00:05:09.639 --> 00:05:12.480 getting emails or phone calls from home, and I would 101 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:15.560 be much more happier at home if I didn't no 102 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:17.040 work existed. 103 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:20.639 Right, So I think the interesting thing in the kind 104 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:23.600 of the duality that they show is like, that's the 105 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:26.360 great thing about the series is in theory, that sounds great, 106 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:29.600 But what you experience as you're watching it and you're 107 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:33.639 watching this character go through this is they're kind of ostracized, 108 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:36.360 like on the outside world for being people that are 109 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:39.160 doing something kind of unethical, you know, and they can't 110 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:41.199 tell you anything about work because they can't remember it, 111 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:43.439 so they're kind of their outside life kind. 112 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:45.639 Of becomes drained. And then at. 113 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:48.560 Work every day, every day you kind of wake up 114 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:51.680 and you're there. So once you get there from the 115 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:55.759 outside world, you're inside world. You never really sleep, you're 116 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:58.439 always just awake at work, so your work life just 117 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:01.759 never ends, and you're outside life never ends. It's just 118 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:04.439 you're never sleeping, you're always kind of awake. 119 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:08.319 And he's two spacey people. People know that's your job. 120 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:11.279 So other people are living a normal life and they 121 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:12.240 know you're fed up. 122 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:15.480 Yeah, pretty much, pretty much. It's like, why why would 123 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:17.600 you why would you choose to have a procedure where 124 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:20.639 you can't remember who you are once you go in 125 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:23.639 that place, and uh, and that's kind of the interesting thing. 126 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:25.279 But again, I don't want to be the spoiler guy 127 00:06:25.319 --> 00:06:27.920 on your show. I just encourage people to watch it. 128 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:29.439 It's really fascinates, really well done. 129 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:31.800 You know, well, did you see the pop up they did? 130 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:33.439 And I get was it? It was in was it 131 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:36.079 in New York? Where they had a pop up. They 132 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:39.480 had a big glass enclosure of the office, you know, 133 00:06:39.560 --> 00:06:41.959 the office where they all say up the computers and 134 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:45.439 Ben Stiller was videotaping with his phone the actors doing 135 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:47.800 a scene within the glass. 136 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:50.160 Yes, I did see it, and it's funny. 137 00:06:50.279 --> 00:06:53.120 It's it's actually something I was talking about with some 138 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:55.279 of the producers on my team today. It was just like, 139 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:58.319 what a brilliant marketing thing. As they're filming for season three, 140 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:02.600 you know, their marketing return to office, right, Like that's 141 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:05.160 the big thing. Everybody's returning to the office so this season. 142 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:09.319 And then additionally, the thing that's really brilliant that they 143 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:11.279 also did. If you are a fan of the show 144 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:13.959 or if you're getting trying to understand the show, it's 145 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:15.519 you know, the show has a lot of Easter eggs 146 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:15.959 again that. 147 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:18.000 Lost kind of crossover. 148 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:21.040 They put out a podcast with Ben Stiller and Adam 149 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:24.040 Scott reviewing the first season. 150 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:27.079 And giving you kind of explaining the Easter eggs. So 151 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:28.879 it's like they really kind of found. 152 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:31.120 The formula, I think, And I think that's what's really 153 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:33.399 impressing me about the show is something that's really, like 154 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:37.360 I said, left of center, kind of hitting the mainstream. 155 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:42.319 And then additionally, everybody that's behind it really buying in 156 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:44.120 and doing everything to promote it this time. So it's 157 00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:45.000 a really interesting approach. 158 00:07:45.079 --> 00:07:46.439 I'm a huge Adam Scott fan. 159 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:50.600 I mean, who doesn't love him in Stepbrothers when he's 160 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:51.399 the jerk brother. 161 00:07:51.639 --> 00:07:53.040 I mean, come on, he's amazing. 162 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:57.160 He's amazing, He's and I heard him on a podcast 163 00:07:57.199 --> 00:07:59.959 and the reason I I've always loved I love his word. 164 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:02.680 I've always thought he has been great. But then I 165 00:08:02.759 --> 00:08:05.519 really became a fan when he said, yeah, I just 166 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:07.920 stay inside and watch TV and eat snacks. I was like, 167 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:10.600 that's my guy, and he goes, I don't really have 168 00:08:10.639 --> 00:08:12.839 any desire to go out and get sun or and 169 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:15.560 I don't feel guilty about it. You know, everybody says 170 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:17.800 it's a beautiful day. Yeah, I'm gonna watch a movie. 171 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:22.720 I'm like, dude, I am okay with that. Anything else. 172 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:24.279 We're going to get to SNL coming up in the 173 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:27.519 next segment, but anything else going on on your horizon 174 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:29.680 as far as television. 175 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:32.600 You know, for me at ESPN right now, you know, 176 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:36.240 it's college football season. So you know, over at ESPN 177 00:08:36.279 --> 00:08:39.039 Original we have our Inside the College Football Playoff series 178 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:42.519 that we're currently working on, and there's weekly episodes and 179 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:45.600 you know, we're just all awaiting the National Championship Between 180 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:47.480 OSU and Notre Dame. 181 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:48.879 You know, we'll be. 182 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:51.759 Filming there behind the scenes, and then I have another episode. 183 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:56.000 The final episode drop next on the twenty fourth. 184 00:08:56.080 --> 00:09:00.879 So have you watched The louder Milk I'm not okay, 185 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:03.919 I'm gonna tell people. Louder Milk is created by Bobby 186 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:08.440 Moore and our friend Pete Fairley and our friend Bob Fairly. 187 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:13.120 Bobby Fairley has directed some of the episodes. Oh, Netflix, 188 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:18.440 and it was it was buried somehow on the Dish 189 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:21.960 network when it first came out. It was I don't 190 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:27.360 I don't understand how it wasn't seen. Okay, but it's 191 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:30.759 really funny, it's really creative. Will Sasso's in it. Ron 192 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:33.080 Livingston's in it. He's great as louder Milk. And what 193 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:37.799 he plays is he plays a guy that's been sober 194 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:43.759 for four years and he runs an AA meeting right 195 00:09:44.360 --> 00:09:47.960 now from a writer's perspective. And Jackie Flynn of Boston 196 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:50.759 is in it. Oh my god, and there's another Boston comic. 197 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:52.639 I'm sorry, I got to look at his name. I 198 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:54.360 looked him up the other day. I feel so bad 199 00:09:54.399 --> 00:10:03.759 that i've But anyways, h when you have number one 200 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:06.960 I'm a huge Livingston fan, right, I just his deadpan 201 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:09.440 and he's like he's just an angry, dry drunk and 202 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:11.559 he used to be a rock critic. So you love 203 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:15.440 it stright up your ally. But like from a content perspective, 204 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:19.000 if you put a bunch of great character actors in 205 00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:23.879 an AA meeting, I mean, you can't fail. I mean 206 00:10:23.919 --> 00:10:26.480 you can't. I mean you just can't fail. I mean, 207 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:28.799 and you get the fairlies writing it. I mean, god, 208 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:31.600 you you just can't fail. The stuff that these guys 209 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:34.840 say and the stuff that they talk about is like, 210 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:37.639 I mean, they even and you know, they push the 211 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:42.200 envelope and they're just you got to give it, give 212 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:44.399 it a try. When you get done your college football season, 213 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:46.720 you definitely you definitely have to give it a try. 214 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:52.879 Also Brian Regan, Brian Reagan, Brian Regan, Brian Reagan, Boston Guy, 215 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:55.399 and Jackie Flynn. So I wanted to give those guys 216 00:10:55.399 --> 00:10:58.759 a shout out. Discover it. It's on Netflix. All right. 217 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:00.960 We got to talk about SNL, Tory Share Painters, our 218 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:03.120 guests from the ESPN and also my television buddy that's 219 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:04.000 next on WBC. 220 00:11:04.840 --> 00:11:07.840 Now back to Dan Raddy Mine from the Window World 221 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:11.080 night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio. 222 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:14.320 Look, my name is Lauren Michael's on the Crucier Saturday Night. 223 00:11:14.440 --> 00:11:14.960 The whole night. 224 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:19.759 Yeah, the whole night, Chevy j skild A reader Dan, 225 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:22.600 I got, how do you pronounce this? 226 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:23.840 Really? 227 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:29.279 You know, I was thinking, why don't we punt? 228 00:11:29.559 --> 00:11:31.519 We should run the dress vessel and claw back and 229 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:32.440 win next Saturday. 230 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:34.080 We can't, Dick, it's a live show. 231 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:36.320 We're just not ready. 232 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:37.799 It doesn't matter that we're ready, it matters. 233 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:39.639 That's eleven thirty, that's when we go on. 234 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:45.320 That was terrific. I love it. Tory Champagne's joining us here. Tory, 235 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:48.399 It's fog friend of Gary Loves TV works at ESPN. 236 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:52.240 So that's what we're doing here. The Saturday Night Live movie, 237 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:56.120 which I think it definitely helps if you're in television, 238 00:11:56.679 --> 00:12:00.519 because it was a little long, like if somebody's not 239 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:02.480 in television, I could see or it could get a 240 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:03.240 little monotonous. 241 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:07.440 You Yeah, I mean, I think, I think, yeah, definitely. 242 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:09.840 Working in the industry gives you a different perspective and 243 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:12.399 appreciation for what the film is about. 244 00:12:12.159 --> 00:12:14.279 In kind of that moment, for sure, for sure. 245 00:12:15.159 --> 00:12:19.879 So Jason Rightman directed it, and the first thing I 246 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:22.600 got a who's the guy I'm looking up his name 247 00:12:23.399 --> 00:12:31.480 from from Nicholas Braun plays Jim Henson and Andy Kaufman. Yeah, phenomenal. 248 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:33.720 I mean he plays both guys to a t plays 249 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:36.840 Coffin to a t h And I thought he was 250 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:38.120 I thought he stole the show. 251 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:40.639 I thought he was fantastic. 252 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:42.679 I think the thing about this film that I actually 253 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:46.639 loved Gary from a casting perspective is it's a bunch 254 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:50.080 of relatively unknowns that are probably about to break in 255 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:54.320 Hollywood and be part of the next generation. You know, 256 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:57.360 You've got Cooper Hoffman, son of you know, you know, 257 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:02.279 playing Dick Embersol, you have of Corey Michael Smith playing 258 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:06.000 Chevy Chase, and then you have Gabriel LaBelle, who was 259 00:13:06.039 --> 00:13:08.600 in The Fableman's kind of taking the lead as Lord Michael's. 260 00:13:08.759 --> 00:13:10.720 And it was just kind of poetic that here's this 261 00:13:10.840 --> 00:13:14.440 young cast of up and coming new Hollywood stars playing 262 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:16.840 a bunch of relatively unknowns that went on to be 263 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:18.159 household names. So I thought it was just like a 264 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:20.000 brilliant kind of choice to do it that way. 265 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:23.879 Yeah, I mean, you mentioned Cooper Hoffin, Philip Seymour Hoffman's 266 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:26.320 son the Late Yes, thank you, Yeah, oh no, no, 267 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:29.679 no problem, And you can see the resemblance. But it 268 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:32.480 was a terrific film and if you haven't seen it, 269 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:34.919 it's worth it, at least if you're a TV junkies 270 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:39.120 like us. It's the ninety minutes leading up to eleven thirty, right, 271 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:42.759 and they do it in real time, and that's the 272 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:46.679 way SNL is, I mean the way they they are 273 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:49.080 flying by the seat of their pants. And I'm sure 274 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:52.559 there was some creative license in there, you know, like 275 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:56.320 founding Alan the writer, finding him last minute at the 276 00:13:56.360 --> 00:14:03.240 bar Allen's I believe, who was legendary and went on 277 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:06.279 to write City Slickers with with Billy Crystal and so forth. 278 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:11.039 There was definitely some creative license in there, but it 279 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:13.519 was It was a great ride, like you said, and 280 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:15.639 relatively and a bunch of unknowns as well. 281 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:19.960 Yeah, and I think you know, it's interesting, you know, 282 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:23.000 for me, I kind of grew up with SNL, and 283 00:14:23.039 --> 00:14:25.600 then later in my career I had the opportunity to 284 00:14:25.639 --> 00:14:28.679 work with the Embersalls and continue to have have a 285 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:32.879 great relationship with Willy Eversaw some of Dick Eversall so, uh, 286 00:14:33.279 --> 00:14:34.759 it was It was kind of a kick for me, 287 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:37.559 you know, going into the film. It was kind of like, 288 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:39.679 I knew obviously that was part of the storyline. I've 289 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:42.840 heard the story from Dick personally about that night, and 290 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:45.840 then I've obviously, you know, heard stories about it through Willie. 291 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:48.320 But it was just it was kind of a cool 292 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:50.320 moment to be able to text Willy and be like, 293 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:53.559 I'm watching Cooper Hoffman play your's son, I mean, play 294 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:56.519 play your dad on on this in this film. Uh 295 00:14:56.559 --> 00:14:58.759 and you know, how how how did they get it? 296 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:01.159 You know, did they get it right? He was you know, 297 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:02.639 he was very honest, and he was just kind of 298 00:15:02.679 --> 00:15:06.559 saying yeah, you know, like Dick was kind of the 299 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:09.840 network executive that did believe while he had this other 300 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:14.039 group of network executives trying to you know, destroy the 301 00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:18.159 show essentially that night in favor of Johnny Carson Getting's 302 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:21.639 contract re upside. It kind of put Dick Eversol on 303 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:25.759 the map as this executive producer type with NBC at 304 00:15:25.759 --> 00:15:28.200 that time and was just kind of stood by his 305 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:30.799 guy through the chaos and more and Michael's being kind 306 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:36.120 of delusionally, you know, confident in what he was doing 307 00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:39.200 to bring this late night show together. And that's what 308 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:41.919 I loved about the film. To your point about the chaos, 309 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:45.120 the energy, the pacing of the film, you really kind 310 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:48.840 of get the experience of it's not always figured out 311 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:52.360 in live TV, and sometimes the clock is your master, 312 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:54.559 and that you're going to go live at some point 313 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:55.960 and you're going to have to figure it out. And 314 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:58.240 I thought, rightman did a really good job of kind 315 00:15:58.240 --> 00:15:59.360 of capturing that energy. 316 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:01.879 Yeah, no doubt. You just gotta you get a letter 317 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:05.679 rip because you don't have a choice. I also thought 318 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:09.480 they did a great job paying tribute to Garrett Morris, 319 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:15.039 I believe because he was sort of the lost cast member. 320 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:19.159 There was a lot of obviously racial issues, and I 321 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:21.279 thought they did they did a great job of bringing 322 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:23.679 attention to his back. I didn't know he was Shakespeare 323 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:24.200 and trained. 324 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:27.720 Yeah, I think I didn't know that either, And I 325 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:31.080 think to your point, you know, they highlight that in 326 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:33.240 the film in a way in that scene that kind 327 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:35.639 of leads up to, you know, kind of the famous 328 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:38.639 moment that he has in the in the film, I 329 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:42.240 mean in that first episode. But to your point, they 330 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:45.000 really did and kind of showing this character that was 331 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:47.320 kind of like, why am I here? I am this 332 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:52.159 you know, trained actor amongst you know, this guy that's 333 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:54.919 basically drunk on the floor and John Belushi and they 334 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:59.440 can't control them in that juxtaposition of showing him for 335 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:01.879 who he try really was and how he was able 336 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:05.279 to kind of transcend in that moment and become part 337 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:08.359 of it and really, you know, be kind of part 338 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:11.559 of the catalyst that evening to kind of get everybody rallied. 339 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:13.599 Together to be brave enough to go out there and 340 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:14.480 just do the damn thing. 341 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:20.079 So fifty the Saturday Night Live on Netflix. Did did 342 00:17:20.119 --> 00:17:22.160 you see any of the documentary? Because I think there's 343 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:23.920 a four part documentary. 344 00:17:24.759 --> 00:17:27.319 Yeah, there is a fourth part documentary and I believe 345 00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:28.920 Brightman directed that as well, so. 346 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:32.559 Right, and it focuses on four different sections of the show, 347 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:35.440 like four different Yeah, so that I gotta got to 348 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:37.640 check that out too. I mean, and even you know, 349 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:41.480 YouTube has definitely extended it. You know, Lord Michael said, 350 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:45.000 our skits are perfect for YouTube because that's how my 351 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:45.680 kids see it. 352 00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:48.759 I mean, take take the victory, lablare and you were 353 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:52.559 ahead of your time by about fifty years and favorite, I. 354 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:55.039 Mean, we had a chance to meet him, Norm Norm McDonald, 355 00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:56.839 you and I hung out with him a little bit. 356 00:17:57.799 --> 00:18:01.759 What's your favorite news anc because the guys right now, 357 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:05.200 Jost and Chay are hilarious, but. 358 00:18:05.319 --> 00:18:08.960 You know, yeah, Norm's still your guy or I mean 359 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:13.680 Norms just like the classic bravest kind of uh, you know, 360 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:15.599 kind of comedian and yeah, and you and I had 361 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:18.440 the opportunity to sit down with him and talk to him, 362 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:21.599 and you know, I mean he kind of set the tone. 363 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:24.279 I mean, Dennis Miller was obviously like the other other 364 00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:29.319 kind of iconic guy. But you know, over the years, 365 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:30.720 I think that that is you know, it's kind of 366 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:33.400 the the hallmark of the show, right, it's the center point, 367 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:36.559 it's the halftime. And yeah, jose and Chay are great, 368 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:38.720 but yeah, Norm's kind of probably the guy you know. 369 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:41.519 Well well Norm and I mean in his writer too. 370 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:44.119 I mean when they went after OJ, I mean it 371 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:47.240 was and they didn't care. They got fired because of it. 372 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:51.440 They he did not care. Yeah, Jim Downey, the legendary 373 00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:56.640 head writer, worked in that with Norman. But the thing 374 00:18:56.680 --> 00:18:59.319 about Joseph Chay is when they swapped they write each 375 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:03.559 other's material. Yes, Oh my god, I mean and they 376 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:06.640 can get away with I mean yeah, I mean, I 377 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:08.880 mean they have a field. I mean, did you see 378 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:11.680 the one where Joe wrote Chay's material about being a 379 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:12.480 ditty's party? 380 00:19:12.920 --> 00:19:13.119 You know? 381 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:17.079 Yeah, I mean I think I think it just speaks 382 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:19.240 to like the show's staying power and kind of the 383 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:23.119 bravery of Lorne Michaels right like in the cast and 384 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:27.359 understanding what they're doing right, Like they're having fun, they 385 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:29.920 know that they're towing a line, they do it well, 386 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:32.680 and like it's kind of why the show's stayed for 387 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:35.400 all these years is they've they've they've kind of always 388 00:19:35.640 --> 00:19:37.799 been able to kind of zero in on the zeitgeist 389 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:41.319 and say we're going all in on this, and it 390 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:42.799 just kind of speaks to the power of why it 391 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:43.720 stayed all these years. 392 00:19:43.759 --> 00:19:47.559 You know, Uh, Steved Framerham, dude, you're up with Tory Champagne. 393 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:49.279 Make it quick, buddy, we got to roll what's on 394 00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:49.720 your mind? 395 00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:52.480 No, no, I just I'm enjoying the show and Gary 396 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:54.880 always enjoyed you on TV. I was just going to 397 00:19:54.920 --> 00:19:58.519 say that I am looking forward to watching the documentary. 398 00:19:58.640 --> 00:20:02.640 I get Peacock and Prime video, but I don't want 399 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:04.759 to get hooked on everything else. I was just going 400 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:09.160 to say, I really enjoyed I had time during Christmas 401 00:20:09.640 --> 00:20:11.880