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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, So now let's talk about the movie

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<v Speaker 1>The Hour the Fantastic for the first steps. Now, if

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<v Speaker 1>you notice that, I'm gonna pull it down so you

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<v Speaker 1>can see both Charles and I are wearing our four hats.

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<v Speaker 1>We had an opportunity, as we said early in the show,

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<v Speaker 1>to go down to the Air and Space Museum here

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<v Speaker 1>in Washington, d C. Where they had the grand opening

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<v Speaker 1>of their Imax theater, grand reopening. Excuse me of their

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<v Speaker 1>Imax theater.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Charles.

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<v Speaker 3>We're still smaller than the air bussing. I have to

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<v Speaker 3>keep referencing that because I'm like, it was nice. It's nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>I will also.

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<v Speaker 1>Add and and and as I add this, this has

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with how I felt about the movies.

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought it was pretty cool. They gave us

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<v Speaker 1>some swag. They gave us candy coupons at Cane with

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<v Speaker 1>water and popcorn and candy whatever you want.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that was cool. Don't forget the popcorn.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so they can give you think they gave

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<v Speaker 1>you a closed bag.

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<v Speaker 2>And they have what six options?

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<v Speaker 3>Five six options?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they had cheddar and sod cream.

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<v Speaker 1>Gave you options of candy, candy, like grab something to drink,

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<v Speaker 1>grab your little hat and get it. Then sit down

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<v Speaker 1>and watch this movie. And uh, this is the thirty.

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<v Speaker 3>Seventh movie in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me set this thing up because I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>Charles thinking I'm disrespecting the Fantastic Four, because we have

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<v Speaker 1>a we have a lot to say about this movie,

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<v Speaker 1>the thirty seventh movie.

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<v Speaker 3>In the Marvel Cinematic Universe and.

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<v Speaker 4>The first in the sixth phase Phase six, Phase six.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, got you, thank you. That's a good point.

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<v Speaker 1>Based on the superhero team, the Fantastic Four, produced by

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<v Speaker 1>Marvel Studios and distributed by Walt Disney. H We talked

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<v Speaker 1>about it being in thirty seventh film and it's series

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<v Speaker 1>in the second reboot of the Fantastic Four film series.

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<v Speaker 2>The earlier one was two thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>And five, and then they did another reboot in twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's every ten years we keep trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>the Fantastic Four. And we'll talk a little bit about

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<v Speaker 1>that momentarily. The film was directed by Matt Shackman, who

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<v Speaker 1>was in the house last night. I sat in the

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<v Speaker 1>same row.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, he said, in our role last.

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<v Speaker 3>Night, I walked by him at the end squeezed the

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<v Speaker 3>show that I was like.

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<v Speaker 2>Good job, Maddie, spoiler job.

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<v Speaker 1>The film features an ensemble cast which includes Pedro, Pascal

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<v Speaker 1>Vanessa Kirby, Ebon, Mars Bacarack, and Joseph Quinn as the

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<v Speaker 1>titular team, alongside Julia Gardner and Sarah Niles, Mark Gastus,

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<v Speaker 1>Natasha Lynn, Paul Walter.

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<v Speaker 3>Hauser, what did I call her?

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<v Speaker 2>Man? Thank you?

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<v Speaker 1>Natasha Leone, Walter hay Hauser and Ralph. That's why we

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<v Speaker 1>have Charles here, because Charles is always about names, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>So Charles Kirkland Jr. The film focuses on the Fantastic

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<v Speaker 1>four whos who must protect the nineteen sixties inspired retro

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<v Speaker 1>futuristic world from a planet devouring cosmic being Galactus.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh. And this is taking place now, this is key

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<v Speaker 3>taking place on Earth eight twenty eight, right now. That's

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<v Speaker 3>a that's a good detail.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a very good detail because and I'll explain, because

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<v Speaker 4>everything that we've seen in the MCU has taken place

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<v Speaker 4>on sixty sixteen six six sixteen. I thought it was

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<v Speaker 4>sixty two six? Is it sixteen sixes? I thought it

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<v Speaker 4>was six sixteen? Okay, six one six. Okay, okay, all right,

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<v Speaker 4>so everything we've seen is already comic books, but you

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<v Speaker 4>know I remember numbers. Well yeah, okay, so yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 4>in a different universe and what we're used to.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you.

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<v Speaker 1>Said in the first thirty six films, which happened in

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part, and the MCU were all on

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<v Speaker 1>planet six one six universe in the universe six one six,

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<v Speaker 1>and now we're in universe eight two eight, correct to

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<v Speaker 1>kick off phase six.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, all right, I just wanted to make sure I

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<v Speaker 1>set it up for the audience, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's perfectly logical wide because if it were, if

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<v Speaker 4>the Fantastic Four were part of six one six, people

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<v Speaker 4>be like where they were, where they've been, because we've

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<v Speaker 4>been going through some stuff here. They're fighting a guy

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<v Speaker 4>that is going to destroy the world.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, why can't you have about he's destroying trying

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<v Speaker 1>to destroy the world in eighty two.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight and eight to eight, not in six one six.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but in six one six we did fight a

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<v Speaker 4>guy that was trying to destroy the well in the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>We got colde we got colds go ahead, man.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, that is a really good setup to let

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<v Speaker 4>us see how this world is totally different in how

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<v Speaker 4>the Fantastic Four, who's been by the time we joined

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<v Speaker 4>them in this film, they've been a team for four years,

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<v Speaker 4>so they kind of take that Superman approaches. We're not

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<v Speaker 4>giving you the whole origin story. We just want to

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<v Speaker 4>drop you in the story and.

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<v Speaker 2>Let you roll with it.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I really appreciate that because again we've all

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<v Speaker 4>seen it. We we know what's happening. And then they

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<v Speaker 4>moved to some of the things that have happened to

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<v Speaker 4>them and how they got to where they are, So

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<v Speaker 4>we get to see this developed team come together and

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<v Speaker 4>fight again a foe that they've never experienced before. These

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<v Speaker 4>literally in this world, the Fantastic Four are the protectors

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<v Speaker 4>of the Earth. There's no other superhero team that we

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<v Speaker 4>know of this on A two eight, and so they're

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<v Speaker 4>beloved because they save everybody, They work for everybody. They're

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<v Speaker 4>not they don't have to face so well, why are

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<v Speaker 4>you don't you fight for the United States versus.

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<v Speaker 2>Europe or fighting a mole man?

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<v Speaker 4>Well that's you know, as another story, but even that part,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, they didn't give you that story. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>they didn't give you that battle. They just gave you

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<v Speaker 4>the story and let you roll with it, so which

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<v Speaker 4>was very interesting how they presented it. So I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>am I supposed to say give my review of this film?

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<v Speaker 2>Of what I thought?

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<v Speaker 4>I think that this film is very successful in everything

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<v Speaker 4>that they attempt, the story as well put together. The

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<v Speaker 4>actors are very credible in their roles, the relationships and

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<v Speaker 4>seem genuine by everyone that's in the plot. They even

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<v Speaker 4>flesh out the characters like the thing and the human

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<v Speaker 4>torture in a way that we hadn't seen before and

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<v Speaker 4>in previous films they are much simpler, but they have

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<v Speaker 4>depth in this film, which I really appreciate it because

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<v Speaker 4>I'm I'm a big fan of the of the comic books,

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<v Speaker 4>and for those of us who are big comic book fans,

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<v Speaker 4>there are a couple comic book references that happened in

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<v Speaker 4>the movie that'll keep us excited. But this is a

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<v Speaker 4>story that is kind of that is based on the

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<v Speaker 4>comic books, but it is really completely original. So I

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<v Speaker 4>thought it was very successful. I thought it was done well.

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<v Speaker 4>Eric Pearson, Jeff Kapman, Ian Springer and Kat would write

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<v Speaker 4>this story and I think they do a good job.

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<v Speaker 4>I really enjoyed the movie, and I'm going to save

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<v Speaker 4>my grade for after you give yours.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Charles.

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<v Speaker 3>That was very well done, I wrote. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I thought that the film, which featured a mid nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>sixties tone, Matt Shackman and his production team really lean

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<v Speaker 3>into the production design of the film, which I thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Really really worked, really really well.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd shared with Charles and we had a very heated

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<v Speaker 3>conversation early this morning pre show. He did the way.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, Charles, you man, you never mind, but

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<v Speaker 3>I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I said that two times we talked earlier in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and five, and then I think in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and seven they did fantastic for the Rise of the

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<v Speaker 1>Silver Surfer, and then twenty fifteen they came back and

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you admit that one. Oh yeah, I told you

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<v Speaker 2>Michael B. Jordan as Johnny and Human Human Torch.

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<v Speaker 1>I just said for the record that I Tim Gordon

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<v Speaker 1>didn't like either of these versions of the earlier films

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<v Speaker 1>right either iteration and as a guy that didn't read

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<v Speaker 1>the comics, Which is why it's fascinating that Charles and

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<v Speaker 1>I have these conversations around comic book films. I may

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<v Speaker 1>not have read the comics, but I get to watch

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<v Speaker 1>the movies that you present, right, so they sometimes they're

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<v Speaker 1>based on comics. I just heard you say that this

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<v Speaker 1>one is a wholy original story, So okay, either way,

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<v Speaker 1>it still works for me because I'm still.

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<v Speaker 2>Watching a movie now.

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<v Speaker 1>In my mind, before I even went in to watch

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<v Speaker 1>the movie, after the first two attempts by Fox to

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<v Speaker 1>make these stories, I was like I used to always say,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when the MCU started, I was like, Man, if

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<v Speaker 1>Marvel lever got their hands on the Fantastic Four, I

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<v Speaker 1>think they could do a really, really good job with

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<v Speaker 1>this because Marvel really excels in storytelling, right, So that

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<v Speaker 1>aspect of the film, I was absolutely right. Now, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>also say that my feelings about the three previous films, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Bar was so low.

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<v Speaker 1>Marvel just had to show up and just give me

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<v Speaker 1>a story and it would have worked, right, So let's

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<v Speaker 1>just start there that I went in even with my

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<v Speaker 1>four hat, and I was like, man, they just put

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<v Speaker 1>a story on the screen. This is a win, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll go in and watch the movie. And I

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<v Speaker 1>also loved the fact that previously I just found that

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<v Speaker 1>these characters were just boring because the first three times

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<v Speaker 1>I've watched these characters, there was really they really didn't

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<v Speaker 1>capture the right tone of how to tell the story

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<v Speaker 1>of the Fantastic Four.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, even though you don't know what the story.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't really matter, because my point is is that when

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<v Speaker 1>you ask me to watch something, I'm looking at execution, cinematography,

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<v Speaker 1>production design, costume design.

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<v Speaker 3>Screen I'm listening to the screenplay.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at how to score, I'm looking at all

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<v Speaker 1>the elements that make up a project, right, whether it's streaming,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's on the big screen. And Marvel, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>really does a very good job because.

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<v Speaker 3>There are a lot of comic geeks that.

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<v Speaker 1>Work at Marvel, So even when they're telling original stories,

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<v Speaker 1>there's still enough stuff sprinkled in. Like there's a great

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<v Speaker 1>scene that happens earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>In the film.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Sue is going to the United Nations to

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<v Speaker 1>do an address, and I didn't understand what was happening

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<v Speaker 3>There's a certain character from a nation.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's absent, who's absent, And I was like, everybody like, who,

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<v Speaker 1>So I said what happened?

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<v Speaker 3>And they told me I went, oh, yeah, okay, so

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<v Speaker 3>that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>So mar Marvel does a really good job of the details, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought that the story actually worked. I was

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<v Speaker 1>had watched it earlier this week, and he was actually

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<v Speaker 1>right that, you know, if you're going in looking for

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<v Speaker 1>like huge action, this is not really a movie. This

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<v Speaker 1>is sort of an origin story to build up because

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<v Speaker 1>later on in the MCU, they're gonna be things that

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<v Speaker 1>we learn in this story that will help us when

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<v Speaker 1>we get the film thirty eight, thirty nine, forty, et cetera. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought overall, the chemistry, which you didn't use

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that for all of the bluster of two

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<v Speaker 1>hours of this film, there's literally only like about eight

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<v Speaker 1>or nine speaking parts of different people of the speaking

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<v Speaker 2>If you really think about.

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<v Speaker 1>It, it's a fantastic for their press agent, the adversary below.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of there's not a lot of not a

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<v Speaker 1>two week now Here is where we diverge, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>going into this, Shane I thought, this is the fourth

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<v Speaker 1>comic superhero movie of the year, right, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's be let's just call it what it is. I

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<v Speaker 3>was not a big fan of.

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<v Speaker 1>Captain America A Brave New World, and I really wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a big fan of Thunderbolts, right. I really like Superman.

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<v Speaker 1>I really thought that what James Gunn did with Superman

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<v Speaker 1>was amazing. And I see this film by virtue what

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<v Speaker 1>I told you about. It's an origin story and we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to build up these characters later for them to

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<v Speaker 1>do amazing stuff. For me, I still think Superman is

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<v Speaker 1>the best comic superhero film in the first.

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<v Speaker 2>Half of the year. That's my opinion, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And I had to go back in and change my

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<v Speaker 1>grade on this movie because I had it rated as

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<v Speaker 1>high as Superman. I was like, Superman is better. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just a better movie at this stage. Now, I can

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<v Speaker 1>be wrong that later on the Fantastic Four could develop,

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe in Part two, maybe Part three, when there's

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<v Speaker 1>some more adversaries and some more action. Maybe we got

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<v Speaker 1>a different story. This story is good. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>it's bad. It's easily the best of the Fantastic Four

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<v Speaker 1>iterations that has been out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Marls, Marls. The thing with this, you know, the cast

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<v Speaker 2>is superb.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought, you know, the whole sixties aesthetic works really,

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<v Speaker 1>It's a well done movie. So having said that, I

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<v Speaker 1>gave it a B, a straight beach straight B. I

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<v Speaker 1>had it at a B plus, but then I had

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<v Speaker 1>Superman at a B plus and it's not Superman.

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<v Speaker 2>A Fantastic Four B.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I know there are hardcore comic fans who are

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<v Speaker 1>like Tim, you don't know what you talk about. You're trimping.

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<v Speaker 1>All I can watch, Charles is what you give me. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So there's no more to it, no less. I'm not hating,

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<v Speaker 1>why says I'm glad to see that the Fantastic Four

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<v Speaker 1>is finally brought into the MCU and it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually treated with some love. It looks good, it plays well,

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<v Speaker 3>it's got a short run time.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of positives. It's just not a lot

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<v Speaker 3>For me.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm looking forward to what they can do with this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm positive that no one marvel with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's two part.

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<v Speaker 3>Avengers they coming up is this Secret Wars and then.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's Doomsday first and Doomsday and then what secret Wars?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, there, you know, So I gave it a B.

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<v Speaker 2>So what did you give it?

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted to give it an A minus, but I

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<v Speaker 4>stayed with the B plus. And I look back and

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<v Speaker 4>I say, it's the same grade that as Superman. But

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<v Speaker 4>unlike you, I think that this film is superior in

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<v Speaker 4>theme and tone than to Superman, because there were some

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<v Speaker 4>things about Superman that just didn't line up. For an instance,

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<v Speaker 4>they really were mad with Superman because he was an

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<v Speaker 4>alien coming to this planet, but they didn't have a

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<v Speaker 4>problem with Hawk Girl and she's an alien it come

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<v Speaker 4>to the planet and she's in.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of the Justice Gang. Why what did she get

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<v Speaker 2>into that kind of hate?

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<v Speaker 4>So there, I mean, there were some things that I

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<v Speaker 4>felt like that happened in Superman. Superman is a great film,

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<v Speaker 4>but I think that as the time that goes by,

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<v Speaker 4>that some of the themes that were relevant and important

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<v Speaker 4>that Superman express will have dissouaited and the themes that

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<v Speaker 4>are in The Fantastic Four about family and hope and

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<v Speaker 4>and building the community, those things are going to last.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that over time that this movie will

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<v Speaker 4>be last a lot better. It will communicate, you know

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<v Speaker 4>how you say, sometimes the movie doesn't age well. I

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<v Speaker 4>think that The Fantastic Four will age a lot better

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<v Speaker 4>in its in its story because it is more of

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<v Speaker 4>a universal theme that people will be able to relate to,

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<v Speaker 4>not just now, but in the future.