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How are you? 37 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 3: I'm doing fantastic, Chris. 38 00:01:37,719 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 2: Appreciate you joining us in just a correction here Sundevilsource 39 00:01:40,799 --> 00:01:42,719 dot com and two four seven Sports. 40 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 3: I apologize for that, Chris, Chris. Lots of stuff happening 41 00:01:46,359 --> 00:01:47,280 down there at ASU. 42 00:01:47,359 --> 00:01:48,959 Speaker 2: Has it been a bit of a whirlwind for you 43 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,560 over the last I don't know, a week or a 44 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,239 week or two Shoot even going back to the end 45 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:53,840 of the season. 46 00:01:55,519 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of tough to remember what day of the 47 00:01:57,599 --> 00:02:00,840 week it is with the holidays, the tram for Portal 48 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:07,200 Bowl game for AFU, one of the ass coaches thought 49 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,960 that it was a Tuesday on a Sunday to put 50 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,120 that in perspective. So the days they've just been kind 51 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:14,840 of pilot up with a lot of work and the 52 00:02:14,879 --> 00:02:21,400 transfer portal being just the winter only period this year, 53 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,439 I think that's added to more of the center urgency 54 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:25,439 and how much is going on. 55 00:02:26,319 --> 00:02:30,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, crazy times. Uh, let's let's talk football first. That 56 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:31,759 we'll get into hoops if we can't. 57 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: The fact that that Dealingham came back to to to Tempe. 58 00:02:36,599 --> 00:02:39,960 How big of a win was that for the this 59 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,120 program that's building something you you think pretty special right 60 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:44,879 now in temp. 61 00:02:46,199 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: The massive development the likes in which I don't know 62 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,879 that we've seen in recent decades to be to be honest, 63 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,000 as you sold out every football game this year for 64 00:02:58,039 --> 00:03:03,319 the first time in its major conference history going back 65 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:10,080 to the nineteen seventies or earlier. The fan engagement even 66 00:03:10,319 --> 00:03:13,960 in a disappointment of a season in terms of the 67 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:19,000 outcome compared to the expectations given what ASU returned and 68 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,000 an injury plague season that resulted in only eight wins. 69 00:03:23,319 --> 00:03:27,879 The overall sentiment is extremely positive among the fan base, 70 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:33,039 and Kenny Dillingham being a local product and ASU alumnus, 71 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:40,280 someone who is held in extremely high regard to retain him, 72 00:03:40,759 --> 00:03:44,800 to get him feeling more confident about the state of 73 00:03:45,199 --> 00:03:49,000 the program in IL revenue sharing in this era that 74 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,960 we're in now, and then how that's carried over to 75 00:03:52,039 --> 00:03:59,120 the early performance in this transfer cycle with ASU landing 76 00:03:59,599 --> 00:04:03,719 one of the top of overall prospects, top ten overall 77 00:04:03,759 --> 00:04:06,919 prospect in the portal of Marion Miller, a wide receiver 78 00:04:07,439 --> 00:04:11,280 from Colorado, UH second year all the twelve last season 79 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:16,720 and Cover Bowl League quarterback. This is this is a 80 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:22,399 a time that I can't really recall anything quite like it. 81 00:04:22,519 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 2: Special times there in Sam Pee. What's the what's the 82 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,639 weakness right now of the program? Obviously you got your 83 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:33,839 head coach, but you lose your starting quarterback. 84 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 3: What happened with Sam Levitt? How did this all come about? 85 00:04:36,319 --> 00:04:36,879 It seemed like. 86 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: Kenny and and UH and Sam were two pieces of 87 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:40,480 the pod. 88 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, Really it comes down to the financial situation and 89 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,639 decisions that are made for how to construct a roster. 90 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,560 Sam Levitt is going to make probably twice as much 91 00:04:52,639 --> 00:04:56,639 money or or nearly that much. He's a very very 92 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,240 top of the market. I've talked to a lot of 93 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:06,000 agents and and industry insiders who has said that, really 94 00:05:06,399 --> 00:05:09,959 Brandon soreersby going from Cincinnati to Texas Tech, he's going 95 00:05:10,079 --> 00:05:13,439 to make roughly five million dollars. Sam Levitt is going 96 00:05:13,519 --> 00:05:18,959 to be really close in that ballpark and af Youth 97 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,120 Quarterback Cutter Bowl, He's going to make probably half that 98 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:28,319 much or less. So that money the differential what we're 99 00:05:28,319 --> 00:05:32,920 talking about revenue share and nil, they are two different things. 100 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,360 A lot of people can plait these. Revenue share is 101 00:05:35,399 --> 00:05:38,240 being paid by the schools directly. That's that's about thirteen 102 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,839 and a half million to fifteen and a half million 103 00:05:40,959 --> 00:05:44,959 for football rosters annually. And then nil is something that's 104 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:51,439 paid for by businesses, benefactors at the university, boosters the 105 00:05:51,439 --> 00:05:57,000 athletic program. That's additional millions of dollars. And they're economic 106 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:02,639 decisions that are now made so Realik Brown and Sam Levitt, 107 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:08,199 as you decided to spend that money elsewhere, and that's 108 00:06:08,319 --> 00:06:11,240 I think part of why you're seeing Cutter Bolie come 109 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,680 In who started at Kentucky last year, were a lot 110 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:18,079 Cheaper and a Marion Miller, one of the top receivers 111 00:06:18,759 --> 00:06:22,800 in the portal, and some other additional players being being 112 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,120 added to make the new look roster. 113 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,399 Speaker 2: You know this, Do you feel like the roster is 114 00:06:31,439 --> 00:06:33,399 going to be better than it was a season ago? 115 00:06:33,879 --> 00:06:35,920 Do you think it'll stay neutral or do you think 116 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:36,560 it gets worse? 117 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: Well, I think it's very difficult to say right now. 118 00:06:40,639 --> 00:06:45,160 It's a projection based upon they're going to probably add 119 00:06:45,199 --> 00:06:50,560 another twelve fifteen players over the next week and a 120 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,959 half two weeks. This is transfer portal Toaluza, and until 121 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,680 you really understand what the roster looks like when the 122 00:06:58,759 --> 00:07:01,759 music stops, you can't have an answer for that. But 123 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,920 I would be surprised if it's better because ASU had 124 00:07:07,319 --> 00:07:10,600 returned two thirds of its starters in twenty twenty five, 125 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,920 so the team that a year earlier had won eleven 126 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,600 games and being the Big twelve champions, so they just 127 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,680 they always were going to have to replace a lot 128 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:30,279 of starters irrespective of their decisions with Levitt and really 129 00:07:30,399 --> 00:07:32,879 Brown from a financial standpoint, So I don't think they'll 130 00:07:32,879 --> 00:07:35,399 probably They probably won't be as good of a team 131 00:07:35,519 --> 00:07:38,399 in twenty twenty six, but I don't think that they're 132 00:07:38,439 --> 00:07:41,920 going to fall off as much as what some people 133 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,839 might think given what they're losing. They have a you know, 134 00:07:45,879 --> 00:07:49,199 the rankings continue to update, but I think they're nights 135 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:53,040 in the transfer in the country in the transfer portal rankings, 136 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,879 which is quite high. That's, of course, that's what enabled 137 00:07:56,879 --> 00:08:00,800 Texas Tech to be so has a great team this 138 00:08:00,879 --> 00:08:04,079 year was how how great to deport in the in 139 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,160 the transfer portal. I don't think a SU is going 140 00:08:06,199 --> 00:08:09,120 to match Texas Tech in that respect necessarily, but it's 141 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:14,000 going to be uh competitive, you know, broadly, uh, in 142 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,759 a way that I think translates to the field. 143 00:08:17,839 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, what's the deal with uh 144 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,079 these A s U quarterbacks ending up at L s U. 145 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,040 I mean, Sam Levitt probably Crystal Balld essentially to to 146 00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:29,560 l s U with Lang Kiff and Jim Daniels went there, 147 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,799 uh not too many years ago. Uh, prior to jumping 148 00:08:32,799 --> 00:08:35,159 into the NFL doing great things in the NFL. 149 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:35,799 Speaker 3: What's that? 150 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,039 Speaker 2: What's up with Tempe and I guess Baton Rouge being 151 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,200 linked together here with high level quarterback play. 152 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:48,759 Speaker 1: Well, they have tremendous athletes and offensive line play from 153 00:08:48,879 --> 00:08:54,720 the South Louisiana Houston, that's just an extraordinarily talent rich area. 154 00:08:56,159 --> 00:09:01,480 That translates to their ability to surround quarterback with with 155 00:09:01,799 --> 00:09:05,919 high potency weapons that wide out and a lot of 156 00:09:05,919 --> 00:09:10,759 protection along the offensive lines. It's if you are if 157 00:09:10,759 --> 00:09:14,519 you're an A list quarterback transfer like a stores Bea 158 00:09:14,639 --> 00:09:17,759 or Sam Levitt, you want to go to a place 159 00:09:18,159 --> 00:09:22,039 that has weapons in abundance all over the place because 160 00:09:22,039 --> 00:09:24,360 it makes it easier for you, and then that helps 161 00:09:24,759 --> 00:09:29,879 the way that you're perceived from a draft standpoint working 162 00:09:29,919 --> 00:09:31,840 to the NFL level. So noally are they going to 163 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,320 get paid the most, but they presumably, I mean the 164 00:09:35,399 --> 00:09:38,159 idea of it would be for them to also be 165 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,519 surrounded by tons of talent. Le Kiffin's not going to 166 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:48,360 go to LSU unless he believes that financially that school 167 00:09:48,399 --> 00:09:50,759 is not going to take a back seat to anybody. 168 00:09:50,879 --> 00:09:55,759 That's why he left. It's easy at LSU with all 169 00:09:55,799 --> 00:09:58,960 of the support and resources that exists there to be 170 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,399 able to build extremely potent teeth. Event the added benefit 171 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:06,000 for him is he has a great track record with 172 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:11,720 quarterbacks and with high, high powered offenses, and so that 173 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,120 that's why that is such a enticing thing for somebody 174 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:16,240 like Sam Levitt. 175 00:10:17,639 --> 00:10:19,159 Speaker 3: Talking know the foe. 176 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,639 Speaker 2: In this segment, b yu as U Big Twelve conversation 177 00:10:23,759 --> 00:10:28,440 with Chris Cartman, owner publisher for sundevilsource dot com via 178 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,279 the twenty four to seven Sports Network. 179 00:10:30,639 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 3: Let's pivot over to some hoop talk. If we could b. 180 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,799 Speaker 2: Yu ASU on the dock at this ASU team nine 181 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,480 to five on the season own one in Big twelve 182 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:44,320 play b Yu a heavy favorite in this game at home. 183 00:10:45,039 --> 00:10:47,320 Should be a Wild and Rockets one at the Marriage 184 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:48,799 Center tomorrow. 185 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 3: Seven pm on January seventh. 186 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 2: For those that aren't going to be going to the game, 187 00:10:53,639 --> 00:10:56,639 it'll be broadcast on Peacock and NBCs. 188 00:10:56,879 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 3: And give me a little preview. 189 00:10:58,279 --> 00:11:02,159 Speaker 2: What is what is a AU doing on the hardwood ride? 190 00:11:02,159 --> 00:11:06,639 Speaker 1: Now? Well, they had a really great non conference relative 191 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,799 to expectations, at least until they lost to Oregon. Stayed 192 00:11:10,879 --> 00:11:15,799 at home to conclude right before the Christmas break that 193 00:11:15,919 --> 00:11:17,840 was a bad loss. Before that they had been saying 194 00:11:17,879 --> 00:11:21,559 really well, Bobby Hurley had to replace essentially his entire 195 00:11:21,639 --> 00:11:25,960 roster only had one scholarship player returning he's in the 196 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,200 final year of his contract with a kind of a 197 00:11:29,279 --> 00:11:34,000 lame duck situation. He needs to perform seemingly for him 198 00:11:34,039 --> 00:11:36,600 to be able to continue beyond this year, which is 199 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:42,480 eleventh season in Tempe. And he added a bunch of 200 00:11:42,759 --> 00:11:46,919 pretty impressive pieces, led by Maurice Odom who's a point 201 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,879 guard transfer. He had been at Pepperdine. He was third 202 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:55,519 or fourth nationally in a last year. As you lost. 203 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,600 It's the twelve opener at home to Colorado, very close 204 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,159 games in the second half. Cuder gone either way. They 205 00:12:03,159 --> 00:12:06,320 have a sluggish first half. Otum had I think like 206 00:12:07,039 --> 00:12:10,120 fifteen second half points or something like that, along with 207 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:16,840 a ASU high of a dozen assists. So he's the 208 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,519 engine that kind of drives everything for the sun levels. 209 00:12:19,519 --> 00:12:23,039 And then they have a big man named Masamba Jopp 210 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:29,080 who's from Senegal. He's a freshman and he's been quite 211 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,919 an impressive revelation who's played very well in recent weeks. 212 00:12:33,919 --> 00:12:37,360 He continues to get better. He's mobile, he's fluid, he 213 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,679 runs before, he's a big passer, he's got hands, feet, 214 00:12:41,759 --> 00:12:47,039 plays above the rim. So he's somebody that's formidable and 215 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,840 increasingly so, I would say on the interior. They're going 216 00:12:50,919 --> 00:12:52,639 to need those guys to play at a very high 217 00:12:52,759 --> 00:12:57,759 level to be able to compete with BYU or really 218 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,159 most of the Big Twelve, which as is still not 219 00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:03,480 one of the one of the top half of the 220 00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:07,000 teams in the Big Twelve. But they're good enough that 221 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,240 they could be a tournament team or at least a 222 00:13:10,279 --> 00:13:14,559 team in consideration for the NCAA Tournament if they're able 223 00:13:14,639 --> 00:13:17,320 to have a successful Big Calls schedule. 224 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like I mean, look the scattering report. 225 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,240 I don't know if you've chatted with the coaching staff 226 00:13:25,279 --> 00:13:30,120 of ASU and in the media availabilities that have occurred 227 00:13:30,159 --> 00:13:32,639 down there, But you know what, what is the buzz 228 00:13:33,279 --> 00:13:35,879 and the scattering report on this BYU team? And how 229 00:13:35,919 --> 00:13:38,240 do they can how can they slow down the trio 230 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,639 of aj rob Ryde and Richie Saunders. 231 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: Yeah. So ASU's biggest flaw, two flaws, I would say, 232 00:13:47,799 --> 00:13:52,440 have been transition defense and then especially when they're not pressing, 233 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:59,039 and then eliminating second chance points and offensive rebounds from opponents. 234 00:13:59,399 --> 00:14:01,600 They've been re is only good actually in the half court, 235 00:14:01,639 --> 00:14:06,399 even spending out to the three point line, but they 236 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,399 they let too many possessions get a second look at 237 00:14:09,399 --> 00:14:12,039 the basket, and their sense of urgency isn't good enough 238 00:14:13,279 --> 00:14:16,200 in transition. So my sense is that they're probably going 239 00:14:16,279 --> 00:14:19,879 to play more. It's hard to do because they're not 240 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,279 super deep, so they'll have to be smart about it, 241 00:14:22,279 --> 00:14:25,279 but they'll probably have some more extended three quarter court 242 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,039 actually trying to get them more intensely evolved. And then 243 00:14:29,039 --> 00:14:31,440 they're going to try to make sure that they secure 244 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:36,159 the glasses, you know, byus the potent and you can't. 245 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,120 You have to. You have to make those possessions be 246 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:43,720 one shot now with contested shots, and ASH hasn't always 247 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:47,360 been able to do that successfully enough against the better 248 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,480 opponents that it's face on its schedule, of which by 249 00:14:50,519 --> 00:14:52,559 you probably gonna be one of the top four or 250 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:53,399 five to this point. 251 00:14:53,399 --> 00:14:59,399 Speaker 2: And see, yeah, it's definitely an intriguing matchup. B YU 252 00:14:59,679 --> 00:15:03,600 extra talented, well coached, well resourced. How would you describe 253 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:09,320 the resources being allocated to ASU basketball versus a SU 254 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:10,399 football right now? 255 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say it's last year. Bobby Hurley had 256 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:20,000 a lot of resources on his roster, but that didn't 257 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,159 really materialize in the way that he and the program 258 00:15:24,159 --> 00:15:28,279 had hoped between Jayden Queen and and jofun San and others. 259 00:15:28,759 --> 00:15:33,039 There was a big nil spend, and they had some 260 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,399 injuries and they were kind of unlucky with some things. 261 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,720 But they also just didn't play nearly as well, and 262 00:15:37,759 --> 00:15:42,919 their freshmen ended up transferring. And I think what happened 263 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,639 as a result was the school decided from a revenue 264 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,440 year standpoint, Okay, they're going to have to prove it 265 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,159 this year. We need to prioritize making sure that football 266 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,080 and other things are our resource. I'm going to have 267 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,559 a new basketball. Women's basketball coach, Baldi Miller's done a 268 00:15:59,559 --> 00:16:01,720 great job of it. In her first year. They only 269 00:16:01,759 --> 00:16:06,440 lost one game to this point, which you know, so 270 00:16:06,799 --> 00:16:11,000 I think it's not it's not an easy situation that 271 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,200 Hurley is in right now, and there's a lot of 272 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,879 eyeballs paying attention to whether or not he's gonna be 273 00:16:17,919 --> 00:16:19,759 able to come out of this thing unscathed. 274 00:16:21,679 --> 00:16:25,159 Speaker 2: Why is Bobby Hurley the guy that is supposed to 275 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,240 lead this team? I mean, how would you describe the 276 00:16:27,279 --> 00:16:31,120 Bobby Hurley era starting back what it was about a 277 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:32,559 decade ago? 278 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,039 Speaker 1: Well, that's ah, that would take a whole other segment probably, 279 00:16:38,799 --> 00:16:41,679 So they had to guard you kind of early on 280 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,440 in his tenure, they had. He built up a lot 281 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:50,960 of momentum and and success. They were selling out the 282 00:16:51,039 --> 00:16:54,279 arena and there are a lot of positive things, but 283 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,799 then I think the administration did a poor job of 284 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:03,679 turning that into more resources. They have a one of 285 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,960 the more outdated arenas in the conference, if not the 286 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:11,519 most outdated, and I think that they've been sort of 287 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:17,079 challenged administratively, and it's not it wasn't really. Also, Bobby 288 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:23,200 Hurley's personality type or tendency to be out there drumming 289 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,400 the beat to try to raise more money in things. 290 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:28,680 I think he's done a better job of that more 291 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,799 recently as he's as he's revolved to this idea of 292 00:17:31,839 --> 00:17:35,640 what caused basketball has become. So there's plenty of blame 293 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:40,319 to go around for why AFU hasn't ever been passed 294 00:17:40,319 --> 00:17:43,400 the round of sixty four in the NCAA Tournament. In 295 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:50,400 the Hurley's ten prior seasons, I think that they've tended 296 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:54,799 to not be good enough shooting the ball from the 297 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:59,759 perimeter and not as efficient as they should be with 298 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,680 shot selection and their ability to execute at a really 299 00:18:04,759 --> 00:18:08,119 high level on the offensive end, and then I think 300 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:12,559 this year they've been better at those things reasonably compared 301 00:18:12,599 --> 00:18:17,000 to the average historically, and a bunch of European and 302 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,799 international players, like half of their team are more than 303 00:18:19,799 --> 00:18:23,400 international players who who arrived with like a very good 304 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,759 feel I think for how to play the game together 305 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,000 in a way that maybe wasn't president in earlier periods 306 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,680 at all times. But then they've had some of the 307 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,799 defensive issues and just physicality maybe on that side. That's 308 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,160 that's held them back this year. So there's there's just 309 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,359 really so much that goes into answering that type of question. 310 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm intrigued about the future of the Big Twelve, right, 311 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,240 is what I'm getting at. You're looking at the resources 312 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,000 being allocated to football and basketball, and you wonder, Okay, 313 00:18:53,319 --> 00:18:55,400 you know, what does future the Big Twelve look like? 314 00:18:56,039 --> 00:19:00,480 How how potent, how how how successful would these Big 315 00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:03,920 Twelve teams be comparative to the other power conferences? 316 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 3: How do you see it? Obviously, Brett Yormark is a 317 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:07,079 great leader. 318 00:19:07,559 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 2: I like where he's uh, he's taken this conference from 319 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,039 my perch, But how do you see it? 320 00:19:15,319 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: Well, there's so many schools around the Big Twelve where 321 00:19:19,839 --> 00:19:25,839 basketball is ultra important, like even more important than football 322 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,240 in a lot of cases. You look at Arizona in 323 00:19:29,319 --> 00:19:33,119 Kansas and some of these other schools, right, so there's 324 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,440 going to be a huge disparity in how some of 325 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,519 these schools decide to allocate resources in the revenue sharing. 326 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:46,240 The revenue share, twenty point five million is being paid 327 00:19:46,279 --> 00:19:50,119 to athletes except for schools that have scholarship expansion from 328 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:54,480 like football eighty five to one oh five. Not all 329 00:19:54,519 --> 00:19:56,680 schools had to do that, but if you did, you 330 00:19:56,759 --> 00:20:00,200 have to commit two point five million to scholarships that 331 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,160 twenty point five million. So then the rest of that money, 332 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:07,519 like eighteen million in the case of ASU, around seventy 333 00:20:07,519 --> 00:20:09,599 five percent of that's going to football. But at some 334 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:14,279 of these schools, they're having that split be a little 335 00:20:14,319 --> 00:20:19,119 bit more generous to basketball and maybe less so to football, 336 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,039 and they're trying to make that up in nil so 337 00:20:21,079 --> 00:20:25,240 there's strategy involved depending upon what are the most important 338 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,440 things at these schools to the fan bases, and then 339 00:20:29,599 --> 00:20:35,920 also depending upon the booster ability to deliver additional resources 340 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:40,240 through nil SO, and then also overlaying all of this 341 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,960 is you have this new entity called the college Sports Commission, 342 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:48,240 which doesn't really have teeth yet from an enforcement standpoint, 343 00:20:48,519 --> 00:20:52,519 But all these schools are supposed to be signing off 344 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,680 to an agreement to allow the College Sports Commission to 345 00:20:56,759 --> 00:21:01,319 determine fair market evaluation of nils, and if that happens, 346 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:06,240 that also could change the way that some of these 347 00:21:06,279 --> 00:21:09,920 teams are resourced in basketball versus football. I would say, 348 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:15,039 to directly answer it, the Big Twelve is one of 349 00:21:15,079 --> 00:21:17,559 the best basketball conferences in the country and I don't 350 00:21:17,559 --> 00:21:21,160 anticipate that changing because it's too important to the school 351 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:26,799 stand bases at the spots where basketball is just so important. 352 00:21:27,799 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 2: When you look at the bowl records conference versus conference, 353 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,799 what conclusions can be drawn about where the Big Big 354 00:21:35,839 --> 00:21:39,440 Twelve stands amongst the other power conferences. 355 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: Not too much. It's you're not necessarily playing it's not 356 00:21:45,079 --> 00:21:50,039 all equivalent or fair. And then you have a lot 357 00:21:50,079 --> 00:21:53,920 of variable like the opt outs and the transfers and 358 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,839 the early NFL declarations stuff that makes it very I 359 00:21:57,839 --> 00:22:02,160 think difficult to tell. The Big Ten and I think 360 00:22:02,279 --> 00:22:06,359 was the best conference in football this year, followed by 361 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,079 the SEC, and probably the gap from the SEC to 362 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,079 the Big Twelve, or at least the better teams in 363 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,279 the Big Twelve and the better teams and the ACC 364 00:22:16,079 --> 00:22:19,079 wasn't as much as maybe some people fought would be 365 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,160 the case. They've had a lot, they had a lot 366 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,799 of great quarterbacks in the Big Twelve this year. That's 367 00:22:24,839 --> 00:22:28,559 why you're seeing some of those quarterbacks be the top 368 00:22:28,599 --> 00:22:31,960 of the market in the transfer portal. I think that 369 00:22:32,079 --> 00:22:36,000 helped a lot. People tended to kind of think that 370 00:22:36,039 --> 00:22:39,680 the SEC was really superior to the Big Twelve, and 371 00:22:39,759 --> 00:22:43,440 it probably actually wasn't that superior in terms of the 372 00:22:43,519 --> 00:22:46,039 actual product on the field. I think the Big Twelve 373 00:22:46,079 --> 00:22:52,039 with a highly competitive conference, and you know that's I 374 00:22:52,039 --> 00:22:54,799 think that's going to continue to be the case. Coaching 375 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,400 is very good, the schemes are very good. The SEC 376 00:22:58,559 --> 00:23:06,160 tends to have you know, bigger, stronger line play, and 377 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,039 also really good athletes, but maybe not quite as much 378 00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:13,960 of the skill and finets that exists in the Big Twelve. 379 00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:16,519 I think the Big Ten was the best conference in football. 380 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think most agree there. 381 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 2: The fall from grace has the SEC fallen from grace 382 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:29,680 as the college football capitalism landscape, the uh, the you 383 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,640 know this free market is that even the playing field 384 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,759 and the SEC will no longer have its foothold on uh, 385 00:23:36,839 --> 00:23:40,720 the the college football you know power. 386 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 1: Structure a little bit. I think it's too early to 387 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:51,359 say that because this evolution is still like this was 388 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,640 the first year of revenue sharing, so I think the 389 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,519 SEC they still have a lot of basing advantages and 390 00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:03,920 we'll have to see what happens with NIL and the 391 00:24:04,039 --> 00:24:07,640 rules around that. You know, a year from now could 392 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,559 be a lot different than they are as we're having 393 00:24:09,599 --> 00:24:13,799 this conversation. And what impact that might have I think 394 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,880 is I think it's a little bit got to read 395 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,599 the tea leaves, but there's more parody across the top 396 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,920 of the food chain in college football. We saw that 397 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:30,279 for sure this year. And then you have you have 398 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:36,759 untraditional programs that have arisen like Indiana. I sort of 399 00:24:36,839 --> 00:24:41,759 knew Indiana is just extremely well healed with boosters. I 400 00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:45,400 saw that with basketball first early at the NIL and 401 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,240 then they made a phenomenal higher with Kurt Sinnetti. He's 402 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,440 a great coach. And then they have a lot of 403 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,640 resources now, but they're not the only ones. Like Vanderbilt 404 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,559 has a lot of resources that it didn't used to 405 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,880 that makes it a lot of much better team and 406 00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:07,400 Texas Tech, between Cody Campbell and other billionaire benefactors, is 407 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,000 not getting out spent by almost anybody in terms of 408 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,359 its roster roster building, and in fact, the Texas legislature 409 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:20,480 and Tennissee legislators they've been the least willing to sign 410 00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:24,880 off on the this new college Sports Commission. I think 411 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,799 because they're concerned about getting up an advantage that they 412 00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:34,599 have financially with n IL. So ultimately, this is probably 413 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:40,480 trending toward collective bargaining and players becoming employees. I just 414 00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:45,480 don't know that that's for sure, but I also have 415 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,039 very low confidence on how long that might take for 416 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:50,839 us to get between here and there. 417 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,039 Speaker 2: Chris Best, Chris Best. Way to support you, what you do, 418 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,279 how you do it. For all of our listeners that 419 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,119 want to consume more of your content. 420 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,559 Speaker 1: The Yeah, you can subscribe at sun dovel Source dot com. 421 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,920 We've had a really great, uh, like fifty or more 422 00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:12,880 new paying subscribers since the new year started because people 423 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,480 are fired up about the transfer portal. But even if 424 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,440 you just check out our stuff on social media, it's 425 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,440 on Novel Source for wherever you go or or me personally. 426 00:26:21,519 --> 00:26:23,559 Chris Cartman I'd be appreciated as well. 427 00:26:24,519 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys do great work over there at Sundevilesurce 428 00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:30,960 dot com, the twenty four to seven Sports network, And uh, 429 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,400 I can't wait to see, uh you know what happens 430 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,640 with this, uh this transfer portal era, right this transfer 431 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,039 portal season. It sounds like ashe's gonna to try to 432 00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:43,559 swing big and hit big. You guys have already picked up, 433 00:26:43,599 --> 00:26:45,799 haven't you guys already picked up some pretty good prospects 434 00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:46,720 already through the portal. 435 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. Cutter Bowley is seventeenth rank quarterback in 436 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,759 the portal. A Marion Miller is number two at wide 437 00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:59,359 receiver and number nine overall. That's like massive. He's actually 438 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,720 higher rated than Jordan Tyson was when when as he 439 00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:05,960 got Jordan Tyson, also from Colorado, Tyson moved down to 440 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:11,079 the number two. Mamaron Miller's a little bit further along 441 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,599 than when ASU got Jordan Tyson, and Tyson was coming 442 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,400 off a pretty catastrophic knee injury. So that that's that's 443 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,279 a big development. And as he is going to end 444 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,480 up again with probably like eighteen to twenty players, they 445 00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:28,720 need they have some big time visitors that are on campus, 446 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,160 including Noah Carter, who's a defensive end from Alabama who 447 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,039 was originally from the Phoenix area. I think he was 448 00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:40,359 the number three ranked prospect two years ago in his 449 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:45,880 high school class in Arizona. And they have they have 450 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,920 a wide receiver from Boston College on campus right now, 451 00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:54,799 Reed Harris, who is I think the number four wide 452 00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:57,839 receiver I want to say, in the transfer portal. So 453 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,400 they have a chance to put together a pretty impressive hall. 454 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,839 They need defensive ends, they need defensive backs. They're gonna 455 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,079 definitely need to hand on some guys to help them 456 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,720 replace out going starters. Day Lost, keep aving me and 457 00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:15,519 Jamie Robinson av he's going to the NFL Draft. He 458 00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:22,119 and Robinson is transferring to Wisconsin again financial decision, and 459 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,000 they probably need a couple of alignment offensive alignment also. 460 00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:29,000 But they have twenty a young impressive players that are 461 00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:32,880 returning that are going to combine with these transfers and 462 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,720 they're probably end up with the top twenty transfer class 463 00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:37,319 in the country. 464 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,799 Speaker 3: Love your work, Chris, appreciate your time today. 465 00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 2: We invite everyone to follow you on x as well 466 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,960 as subscribe to sundevilsource dot com. 467 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 3: Thanks Chris, my pleasure. 468 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:48,759 Speaker 1: Thank you. 469 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 3: There you go. 470 00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:51,799 Speaker 2: That's Chris Cartman on our publisher of Sun Devil Source 471 00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:53,880 dot com and the two four seven Sports Network debtch 472 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,799 segment that Know the FoST segment was brought to by 473 00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:59,000 Odion Men's where Odeon Menswear dot Com utilize that Cridal 474 00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:01,640 fifteen coupon code to get an elevate suit a sports 475 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,720 performance suit. 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