Speaker 1: All right, So I'm gonna bring Bart in here to
Speaker 1: start things off since it is now officially ten o'clock.
Speaker 1: We have viewers from England and I can't do it
Speaker 1: like Nick and Jason do it. So I'm England, Thank you, sir.
Speaker 1: So Breezy Gaming is in this morning and he goes, hello,
Speaker 1: make pretty off topic here, but a Fulham fan who
Speaker 1: went to the match yesterday, I'm so jealous. Jedi plays
Speaker 1: for the M and T. He would easily be England's
Speaker 1: first choice left back. Exceptional yesterday against Arsenal. What say you,
Speaker 1: Arsenal fan?
Speaker 2: Well, I'll just say that Jedi is always exceptional and
Speaker 2: he's a very reliable and dependable player, and I think
Speaker 2: that's been his greatest asset to the US men's national
Speaker 2: team is for the most part, he's been very healthy
Speaker 2: and you know what you're getting out of him. But
Speaker 2: he has also improved a lot since he started with
Speaker 2: US back in twenty twenty one. Fulham does have a
Speaker 2: great left back and Anthony Robinson, and I think, as
Speaker 2: you saw yesterday captaining the team, being a leader for
Speaker 2: that team, he's a good guy. We are lucky to
Speaker 2: have him for the US national team. And I think
Speaker 2: he chose wisely.
Speaker 1: He chose wise.
Speaker 2: Look, if you want to win games in the World Cup,
Speaker 2: you should play for the US because England has never
Speaker 2: beaten the US in the World Cup. Uh ever, men's
Speaker 2: or women's.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, go ahead, start to start that fire already.
Speaker 2: These are just facts, John, I'm here to report facts.
Speaker 1: Well, I know, I know you're here to report facts.
Speaker 1: That's that's why we bring you in.
Speaker 2: And another fact, Alabama didn't deserve to go to that
Speaker 2: college football playoff.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely not. But once again deserve versus television programming.
Speaker 1: We always know that when there's an option available, that
Speaker 1: door might get open. Yeah, uh uh huh uh Oh
Speaker 1: did you find out what bowl game your WBG v
Speaker 1: ors are going to this year?
Speaker 2: Yeah? At John? You ready for us? Sure? Mountaineers are
Speaker 2: finishing up the season in a soccer stadium, Okays?
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh, there's coffee, here's coffee. Frisco Okay, Memphis, right, yes,
Speaker 1: against Memphis, Memphis and West Virginia It at frisk.
Speaker 2: Future Big twelve team probably not, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you guys, there's always auditions. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: to me. There's always places to audition in these kinds
Speaker 1: of things. Uh, I wanted to go over a couple
Speaker 1: of things with you this morning in the in the
Speaker 1: roffing down here purview. But since we're talking national team stuff,
Speaker 1: we'll go ahead and go there. Okay, Uh the part
Speaker 1: that I wanted to discuss with you, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to steer folks over to episode CV of the Soccer
Speaker 1: for US PO D that's I think that's.
Speaker 2: One o five PEND on my Twitter account. You can
Speaker 2: go to a Soccer for US pod on both Twitter
Speaker 2: and Blue Sky and find the link there.
Speaker 1: You go, so you you are a part of the
Speaker 1: the folks that are drifting over to Blue Sky like
Speaker 1: a lot of us right. Yes, the women's national team
Speaker 1: after these matches overseas that happened in I mean relative obscurity.
Speaker 1: I mean they were broadcast on television. But it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: and the listener announced that she's done with the international
Speaker 1: It's like, but that seems to fit. It's just like
Speaker 1: ye doesn't want to be doesn't want to make a
Speaker 1: big deal about it, doesn't want it to be about her.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh yeah, oh, by the way, I'm done.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that was kind of funny that she
Speaker 2: gets into camp and then is like, yeah, by the way,
Speaker 2: it's my last international camp. I done after this. That
Speaker 2: seems very a listener, like you said, she doesn't want
Speaker 2: the fuss. I am ninety nine point seven percent positive
Speaker 2: she'll get some sort of send off recognition next year.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm actually I was actually expecting her to
Speaker 2: retire next year period and probably get a send off
Speaker 2: match in Chicago. But we'll see where she ends up
Speaker 2: getting one. I think, you know, a listener has been
Speaker 2: the unsung hero for this team for so long, and
Speaker 2: in fact, I hate the fact that her most legendary
Speaker 2: performance was the twenty twenty three World Cup and that's
Speaker 2: the one that you know, her teammates couldn't get the
Speaker 2: job done for her. You know, she even saved the
Speaker 2: final penalty kick, despite what Vaer said, And she has
Speaker 2: two She's was the number one for two World Cups.
Speaker 2: She got one win. She obviously was the backup in
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. She now has a gold medal, which is
Speaker 2: a pretty you know, nice thing to add to that.
Speaker 2: So for a listenaire to step aside, while it John
Speaker 2: may feel sad for a lot of people, and I
Speaker 2: get that she she was obviously an integral part to
Speaker 2: this team for you know, more than almost a decade.
Speaker 2: It is good that she is stepping away before forcing
Speaker 2: the hand of him that hey is to make it
Speaker 2: a difficult decision because John, as you and I both know,
Speaker 2: she is on the wrong side of thirty and while
Speaker 2: goalkeepers can play long. We struggled with the Brad Guzan
Speaker 2: comments commentary recently because he was up and down. You know,
Speaker 2: he had a great end of the season, but he's
Speaker 2: been up and down throughout a lot of his past
Speaker 2: what two years. Even so to not force a coach
Speaker 2: to say, hey, you're no longer the number one while
Speaker 2: she's still on the team, it's pretty respectful. I also
Speaker 2: think again that it's nice to see a player step
Speaker 2: aside while still acknowledging they can have a club career
Speaker 2: after the national team. I'm hoping we see more women's
Speaker 2: national team players do that. But Alyssa is vastly, it
Speaker 2: was vastly important to this team, and now John, we
Speaker 2: get a goalkeeper battle.
Speaker 1: Uh huh. So then who is And this is very
Speaker 1: Jim brownish or very very Sanders ish from a listener
Speaker 1: to to go out where you are internationally and it's like, nope,
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm out.
Speaker 2: Its two fantastic games over the window.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you know you're just going to go
Speaker 1: back and be a Chicago Star. Uh. So it's for me.
Speaker 1: It's it's going to be interesting who, by the way,
Speaker 1: uh is going to be able to compete with moments
Speaker 1: like this? This could end it.
Speaker 3: Jesse Fleming, the Canada captain, taking on the responsibility of
Speaker 3: leading this new era in the women's national side.
Speaker 4: The game at her feet thirty there, she says, three.
Speaker 4: She could have verted one lesson that's almost single handedly
Speaker 4: set the United States and of the women's Gold Cup final.
Speaker 1: So you've got moments like that. Who can do that?
Speaker 1: And then who can, by the way, proceed that moment
Speaker 1: once again? Thanks to our friends. It's at CBS and
Speaker 1: a Conca cap with a moment like this, And now
Speaker 1: she takes third.
Speaker 3: Still can't believe her tipping onto the posts in the
Speaker 3: World Cup knocked them out a chance for redemption there
Speaker 3: into the bottom corner.
Speaker 4: This is the listener game. Oh my goodness, says two
Speaker 4: steps up, a lot of second opens up their hands,
Speaker 4: slaps it into that far corner. What a penalty kick
Speaker 4: that is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Chris Witningham and Laura Lindsay in the Gold
Speaker 1: Cup go Watching probably one of the most certifiable badass performances. Yes,
Speaker 1: and that was only nine months ago.
Speaker 2: I know that was And she did it again, remember,
Speaker 2: and she believes Cup. You know, it cannot be understated
Speaker 2: how amazing her mentality is. And I think that's what
Speaker 2: I want people to take from her, is that is
Speaker 2: a way that you can go about being a star
Speaker 2: in the national team. You can show up, do your
Speaker 2: job and be a badass.
Speaker 1: So then who who Comma bart Comma gets to be
Speaker 1: the next bad ass between the sticks leg.
Speaker 2: That's a good question because I don't know who that
Speaker 2: person is right now, and I don't think we have
Speaker 2: a clear picture on who the number one is now.
Speaker 2: If you were to ask me, if you were to
Speaker 2: ask me before October, I probably would have said Casey Murphy.
Speaker 2: She was the heir apparent. She got a lot of
Speaker 2: time in goal under Black, which is something we didn't
Speaker 2: see a lot of. Alisonaiir didn't really start for the
Speaker 2: national team until she started for the national team. So
Speaker 2: Casey Murphy has had a lot of big game and
Speaker 2: a lot of international minutes but I think it's very
Speaker 2: fair to say she has not grabbed that starting job
Speaker 2: the way that we expected her to. You saw someone
Speaker 2: called into camp this time around. She didn't get playing time.
Speaker 2: But Fallanelli's Joyce is one who is starting for Manchester United,
Speaker 2: the best goalkeeper in the WSL right now. You also
Speaker 2: have Jane Campbell, who didn't feature in the fall friendlies
Speaker 2: because of an injury, but she's been around the national
Speaker 2: team for a long time. She's obviously the pride of
Speaker 2: of Marietta, so we hoped she another Marrietta girl, hoping
Speaker 2: she can stay on with the national team. You have
Speaker 2: some older ones like Kingsbury, but you know it is
Speaker 2: an open battle in twenty twenty five and you have
Speaker 2: two years Emma Hayes does to figure it out. And
Speaker 2: luckily in twenty twenty five you don't have any real
Speaker 2: major tournaments. You can use She Believes Cup with all
Speaker 2: three of those friendlies to maybe try out three goalkeepers
Speaker 2: or at least rotate to see who gets, you know,
Speaker 2: the best looks in game. And you have a whole
Speaker 2: league of nws AL goalkeepers who I think a lot
Speaker 2: of them have proven they could be that player if
Speaker 2: given the opportunity.
Speaker 1: And that's you know. And it was in the broadcast
Speaker 1: from Luke Wilman and Julie Foudy Last time Out where
Speaker 1: this was part of their their running commentary and Julie
Speaker 1: Foudy mentions, yes, she has two point five years to
Speaker 1: figure it out. She kind of has two and a half,
Speaker 1: but she really doesn't because you've got to be ready
Speaker 1: by that event to you know, be to have everything
Speaker 1: locked into place.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 1: If your if you looked at your paperwork, you you
Speaker 1: looked at your paperwork, you looked at your research, you
Speaker 1: looked at your your yearbook and all of your thought
Speaker 1: pattern here, what does your gut tell you about who
Speaker 1: would be number one? All things being equal? What would
Speaker 1: you if you were stacking a roster? There was the
Speaker 1: the Bart Keeler Soccer for US POD Invitational that included
Speaker 1: the US Women's National team and it was I'm not
Speaker 1: going to say like over Christmas holiday or anything, but
Speaker 1: let's just say, you know, Valentine's Day, It's the Valentine's
Speaker 1: Day Extravaganza for the Soccer for US PO D Cup
Speaker 1: and the US WNT is a part of it. Who
Speaker 1: would you stack your roster with? When it comes to
Speaker 1: being between the sticks.
Speaker 2: Well, let's just look at a real tournament we have
Speaker 2: she Believes Cup coming up next winter fall, whatever season
Speaker 2: that is at that point in time. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 2: that's winter. I would I would have Casey Murphys me
Speaker 2: my number one one. I would have Jane Campbell as
Speaker 2: the two, and I would have follon tealis choice as
Speaker 2: the three. But I also really would like to see
Speaker 2: Katie Lund from Louisville. I think she's the one that
Speaker 2: I've been championing for a while. I do think she
Speaker 2: needs to be on a better soccer team, but I
Speaker 2: think Katie could be a very interesting choice. She's very tall,
Speaker 2: like Kasey Murphy and and very very good shot stopper.
Speaker 2: I don't really think there's anyone else. And again, like
Speaker 2: Mayde how it's a good shout of a player who
Speaker 2: could get an opportunity. I just don't know who. How
Speaker 2: much you want to experiment, right, there's there's a difference
Speaker 2: between bringing players into have them prove in person what
Speaker 2: you've seen on tape or you know, maybe at a game, right,
Speaker 2: because Emma's not at training sessions. But then there's a
Speaker 2: difference between that and while it is a tryout, the
Speaker 2: field is very selected, right, it's curated. So I do
Speaker 2: think that you've seen kind of the players that ma
Speaker 2: he is maybe is already considering, and they are Casey,
Speaker 2: Jane Fallen, and probably Mandy how It wouldn't surprise me
Speaker 2: if there are some other interbusal keepers coming in. But yeah,
Speaker 2: those are the ones that I think are most likely
Speaker 2: to be battling out for the number one spot.
Speaker 1: It sounds like there's thirty eight keepers that could possibly, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, there really are, John And I think that's the
Speaker 2: difference between now and in twenty sixteen when we moved
Speaker 2: on from Hope Solo or Hope Solo decided to move
Speaker 2: on from the US women's national team is it was
Speaker 2: a very much a well it's now listen air and
Speaker 2: we were a little uncertain. And part of that was
Speaker 2: again because Naire hadn't been given a lot of national
Speaker 2: team playing time. Whereas now we've seen some goalkeepers. Right
Speaker 2: in October we saw Casey and Mandy, Right, that's good
Speaker 2: again and she believes cup it when it surprised me
Speaker 2: if we see at least two goalkeepers played, maybe three.
Speaker 2: Again in twenty twenty five, we don't have any real
Speaker 2: tournaments coming up, right, we don't have to worry for
Speaker 2: on the women's side, uh to worry about like, oh,
Speaker 2: we gotta go win a trophy. Obviously you want to
Speaker 2: when she believes cup am, I understand it's a tournament,
Speaker 2: it's a bunch of friendlies, so you have time to
Speaker 2: go explore. You have time to test players out in
Speaker 2: a real time. But again, you're not holding an open,
Speaker 2: open tryalt. You're carefully selecting who you're bringing in to
Speaker 2: make sure that they are up for it. And this
Speaker 2: is where Emma's going to be really tested. You know.
Speaker 2: There's some other position battles in twenty twenty five that
Speaker 2: we did talk about on the podcast, and we will
Speaker 2: probably talk about it a lot coming up in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five. We have that futures camp in January, which
Speaker 2: is in a Hayes taking the January camp for the
Speaker 2: inside and actually framing it correctly, and we'll see if
Speaker 2: anything comes from that. I don't know if it will.
Speaker 2: Tiagan why as the youth national team goalkeeper that I
Speaker 2: think a lot of people are high on, but she's
Speaker 2: still I don't think she's even twenty one yet, so
Speaker 2: We'll see John, but I'm glad that Emma is having
Speaker 2: tryouts but being very selective about who's being brought in.
Speaker 1: Okay, kind of sort of involving soccer for USPOD Christian
Speaker 1: Polisic a torn muscle in his right calf, Ac Milan
Speaker 1: said on Monday, following an MRI could be out until January.
Speaker 1: During the first half of Milan's loss at Atalanta on Friday,
Speaker 1: Milan said he would undergo another MRI in a week.
Speaker 1: One of the top players this season five goals for
Speaker 1: assistances in Syria three goals in Champions League. The men's
Speaker 1: national team does not play official match until facing Panama
Speaker 1: in CONCA CAB Nations League semifinals in March. Policit could return.
Speaker 1: According to the four letter and wire service reports for
Speaker 1: the Italian Super Copa semifinal matches against Juve in Saudi
Speaker 1: Arabia on jan three.
Speaker 2: There's another piece of breaking nudes that relates to Atlanta United. There, John,
Speaker 2: if you want to hit that, so the chat.
Speaker 1: So the the high performance note.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did we get that already.
Speaker 1: There? So you gotta I boosted the I boosted the
Speaker 1: the note briefly, so we there is a new individual
Speaker 1: in the elevation of the sports science department. David Tenny
Speaker 1: is now in as Director of High Performance for Atlanta
Speaker 1: United MLS, NBA, NCAA Sports Performance vet. David Tenney as
Speaker 1: quote their director of high Performance in the quote, twenty
Speaker 1: years of sports science expertise, most recently four years with
Speaker 1: Austin before that, three years with the Orlando Magic, eight
Speaker 1: years with Seattle there's your tie, and a couple of
Speaker 1: years with Sporting Kansas City, replacing Head of Sports Science
Speaker 1: Ryan Alexander, quoting Garth excited to welcome David to the
Speaker 1: club's director of high Performance. Considered a leader in our industry.
Speaker 1: David brings twenty years of experience and elite sports performance
Speaker 1: during which he worked for multiple MLS teams across multiple
Speaker 1: different sports, overseeing the club's performance department that includes first
Speaker 1: team Atlanta United two and the club's academy. SO Director
Speaker 1: of High Performance David Tenney is now in led the
Speaker 1: sports performance department with Seattle for nine years oh nine
Speaker 1: to seventeen, ultimately promoted as high Performance director for the
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen season with the Sounders, two MLS Cups four
Speaker 1: Open Cups made MLS Playoffs, in all nine years, Tenny
Speaker 1: created the Sounders Sports Science Summit Say that ten times fast,
Speaker 1: which became a leading sports science conference. Goes into his career,
Speaker 1: but a director of high Performance now for Atlanta United,
Speaker 1: David Tenney. It's being brought in from Austin FC, so that.
Speaker 2: Is needed him to keep Politic healthy.
Speaker 1: Ah, there's there's the first singer of the morning.
Speaker 2: It is Bang.
Speaker 1: It's such for Policic.
Speaker 2: He's had a fantastic season. Hopefully this can't. I mean
Speaker 2: he's legitimately had player of the Year type performances uh
Speaker 2: for Milan this year. So I think Milan will miss
Speaker 2: him a lot, but hate that for Polisic.
Speaker 1: Yes, so you know he's he's been not been been
Speaker 1: on a heater, as they say in the casino, and
Speaker 1: he is going to be on the shelf for a
Speaker 1: little bit. Obviously going to be monitored by anyone and
Speaker 1: everyone that is attached to the men's national team program. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's that time for reffing down here. And uh, there
Speaker 1: was the one play that I wanted you to look
Speaker 1: at specifically before we go into the activity in the
Speaker 1: Premier League. And Tom wanted to go back to an
Speaker 1: Evertonian call from the midweek as well, So that was
Speaker 1: actually requested that we look at this long. Ever the
Speaker 1: Evertonian call from the midweek, but the penalty call at
Speaker 1: three to three for Krusasu and Klubamedica last night. You
Speaker 1: have a penalty call in the box at ninety plus four,
Speaker 1: and it kind of looked like either one of two things.
Speaker 1: It looked like dude was trying to take a summersault
Speaker 1: over the opposing player or it was a hip toss
Speaker 1: that was being made inside the eighteen. But in either case,
Speaker 1: you don't want to give the man in the middle
Speaker 1: something that he's got to think about at ninety plus
Speaker 1: four in a tie game that's going to decide a
Speaker 1: semi final, that's going to get the winning club to
Speaker 1: a final.
Speaker 2: Correct. That's gonna be the problem here for this particular
Speaker 2: moment is when you're making any sort of challenge in
Speaker 2: the box, you have to be you have to be
Speaker 2: very careful because and a pivotal juncture like that one,
Speaker 2: I will say, referees don't want to have to make
Speaker 2: a call here, right, This is not the type of
Speaker 2: game deciding decision you want to have to make.
Speaker 1: But but but However.
Speaker 2: We're also very much in the heightened sense of awareness
Speaker 2: of what's going on because everything else is very very
Speaker 2: very tensions, very very intentious. There are going to be
Speaker 2: people who are going to get mad no matter what
Speaker 2: this decision would have been. So, yeah, the defender made
Speaker 2: I think, made a mistake by making such a I
Speaker 2: don't want to say careless challenge, but that's by definition
Speaker 2: what a foul is. Yes, just not not sticking through
Speaker 2: our technique.
Speaker 1: Let's put it that way, right, So, and the point
Speaker 1: that I wanted to go in sideways here and discuss
Speaker 1: with the idea of a center f navigating a moment
Speaker 1: like this and trying to determine internally, Okay, I've got
Speaker 1: a tie game, it's ninety plus four. Do I let
Speaker 1: it go or do I at ninety plus four in
Speaker 1: a three to three game that decides a semi final
Speaker 1: in a second leg to determine who's going to play
Speaker 1: for the Aperture Championship. Right, that whole notion of okay,
Speaker 1: do I let it play out? Is it too harsh?
Speaker 1: There's there's that line that you've got to navigate late
Speaker 1: in a match with everything that's important and everything attached
Speaker 1: to the top of it. That's kind of what I
Speaker 1: wanted to gauge your opinion on here, all of these
Speaker 1: different things that you have to navigate as a center
Speaker 1: f y late in the match with all of this,
Speaker 1: that that is important as important as it is well.
Speaker 2: And that's that's kind of the question you have that
Speaker 2: I the way you framed it, I don't love do
Speaker 2: I just let it go? And again, I think I've
Speaker 2: talked about this. I don't like the it the term
Speaker 2: of oh, just let them play or let it go.
Speaker 2: Let it you know, that to me indicates that you're
Speaker 2: too scared to make a call. And in this type
Speaker 2: of moment, you have to have the testicular fortitude.
Speaker 1: There you go to.
Speaker 2: You have to have that that courage to know that
Speaker 2: you can and should make a call right because you
Speaker 2: have to keep your threshold of is it a foul
Speaker 2: the same right Just because it's the ninety plus what
Speaker 2: four fifth now doesn't mean that it's any less a
Speaker 2: foul than if it happens in the fourth minute or
Speaker 2: the forty fourth minute or the sixty fourth minute. You know,
Speaker 2: you have to have the courage to believe in yourself
Speaker 2: to make that call.
Speaker 1: And that was kind of what how many how many
Speaker 1: times do you see outside and I guess said, we
Speaker 1: can be talking about various and sundry levels of the sport.
Speaker 1: How many times have you noticed that either as just
Speaker 1: as as an observer of a match where the line
Speaker 1: shifts late. Because of all of.
Speaker 2: Those external well, I think with var John we have
Speaker 2: been able to keep our lines a little more consistent
Speaker 2: throughout the game because in the past I definitely believe
Speaker 2: that there have been referees who wouldn't have called something
Speaker 2: like this because you you don't want to be the
Speaker 2: person who impacts the outcome of a match like that
Speaker 2: right now. Personally, again, if it's a falles falonied to
Speaker 2: be called, that's that's my personal view on things. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't think that the stage of the match is
Speaker 2: that shouldn't bear much on that. But you also have
Speaker 2: to take an account the You do have to take
Speaker 2: an account the temperature of the match, the stakes in
Speaker 2: the match. But again, if it's a foul, it's a
Speaker 2: foal and it should be called. That's just where it is.
Speaker 2: But I think now with var John, a lot of
Speaker 2: referees feel confident in making calls because it can be
Speaker 2: reviewed and you can overturn it. But on the flip side,
Speaker 2: if you were to say, no, don't, I don't think
Speaker 2: that was a penalty kick, and then you have the
Speaker 2: opportunity to take a second look at it through VAR,
Speaker 2: that could also help you again then make that call.
Speaker 2: And I think that's just where we we. The benefit
Speaker 2: of VAR is being able to actually corroborate get second opinions.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's your own second opinion, but you're still getting
Speaker 2: a second look at things. I still would prefer the
Speaker 2: referee make this call if they feel it's a foul.
Speaker 2: Don't get wrapped up in the the time, the stakes,
Speaker 2: the you know all that.
Speaker 1: But that's got to be a difficult thing though.
Speaker 2: It is. It absolutely is, John, It absolutely is, and
Speaker 2: especially in a country like Mexico where they are not
Speaker 2: particularly friendly to referees and you know they throw things
Speaker 2: on a good day. But that's my slighte ofup Mexico
Speaker 2: for the Yeah, that's but yeah, I mean it is
Speaker 2: scary to make that call because of course you're going
Speaker 2: to make a call like that, right, and what's going
Speaker 2: to happen to me to the after every player on
Speaker 2: that team, plus the bench plus the coaches, plus their
Speaker 2: brother in law, plus their sisters brother in law are
Speaker 2: all coming in to tell you how wrong you are. Right,
Speaker 2: And you know, while they're not supposed to be talking
Speaker 2: to the referees like that, they will and that can
Speaker 2: be You know that that type of stuff is scary. Again,
Speaker 2: the last thing you want to do is wrongly impact
Speaker 2: the outcome of a game. But you know we always say, oh, well,
Speaker 2: we want to let the players decide, right, That's what
Speaker 2: all the commentators will say. We want the players to side.
Speaker 2: Making a foul is a decision. I'm sorry, you don't
Speaker 2: just make a You don't just foul someone without action
Speaker 2: and decision. So them committing that action that resulted in
Speaker 2: the foul is the players deciding the game.
Speaker 1: Absolutely true. We've got a bookmark the fifth Pro World
Speaker 1: eleven on the men's side that has been announced this
Speaker 1: morning as of about oh but twenty minutes ago. Real
Speaker 1: surprises across the board except Messy. Actually Messi is not
Speaker 1: in the fieft Pro World.
Speaker 2: Eleven, but he is the MLS MVP John, That's true.
Speaker 1: He is absolutely an MLSM Wow and Bape Holland Venetius
Speaker 1: junior midfield de Bruna, Rodrick, Kross, Bellingham back three, Carve Hall,
Speaker 1: Rudiger van Dyke and Ederson in net. That is the
Speaker 1: men's team fief Pro World eleven.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't have a hot take about that, John,
Speaker 2: it sounds right.
Speaker 1: Was chosen by twenty one and sixty six players the
Speaker 1: world eleven, so that was that was the best in
Speaker 1: the world. Are PFA members, so that is that came out.
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to know, Hey, what's your what's your take
Speaker 1: on the world. It's like, yeah, okay, looks good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's okay, cool. You had twenty one thousand vote, no
Speaker 1: real surprise. So yeah, they broke that out this morning
Speaker 1: starting at ten o'clock. And apparently Lucy Browns has now
Speaker 1: matched Wendy Renard's record of seven appearances in the fief
Speaker 1: Pro Women's.
Speaker 2: Good for her when we talked about her last week.
Speaker 2: She's a class player and continues to prove why.
Speaker 1: Okay, fift Pro Ward eleven on the women's side looks
Speaker 1: like it is a three three three one. Barbara Bonda
Speaker 1: up top, behind Cacedo Marta and James behind bon Natti,
Speaker 1: Walsh and Potaeus or Ptellus is anglicized Lucy Brons, Greenwood
Speaker 1: and Carmona, and in that it is Mary ERPs. So
Speaker 1: that is your fief pro Women's World eleven. Yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: that seemed to be rather resignated.
Speaker 2: Uh let me.
Speaker 1: Mary, or so it's Marta, Lauren James, Linda Casado, Barbara Bonda.
Speaker 1: So basically four forwards.
Speaker 2: Lauren James is really only good at stomping on people,
Speaker 2: so I'm not I just don't understand the love with
Speaker 2: Lauren James. But that's that's also me being an Arsenal hater.
Speaker 2: Yesh Midfield healthy hater as an Arsenal fan, Kira.
Speaker 1: All shlets you tell USTI your back three defensively, Lucy Brons, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think Petelius deserves it. I gotta be real, honest,
Speaker 2: she's she's at this point, she's just writing on name recognition.
Speaker 2: That's just where she is. I'm sorry she hasn't been
Speaker 2: that elite for a while, and I would like to
Speaker 2: say that again. We have n W s L bias
Speaker 2: because you're telling me not a triple Espresso the group
Speaker 2: that won a gold medal, No name me, Germa. But hey,
Speaker 2: they plan they play in Europe, so that means they
Speaker 2: must be the best player who's ever existed.
Speaker 1: Right, wait, so what country are they playing now?
Speaker 2: Well, so we have Catos in Spain.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, I was going for the effect.
Speaker 2: I was going for the well, a couple of them playing,
Speaker 2: but of them.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, now you cant to differentiate from now
Speaker 1: going forward? Yeah, you got yes. See back three Lucy
Speaker 1: Bronze log of Carmel and Alex Greenwood marry in that.
Speaker 1: So you you have your Your one complaint is Alex
Speaker 1: superto You got a lot.
Speaker 2: Of English players who ain't one deadly squat since twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two.
Speaker 1: But okay, fine, five of the eleven are are are English.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's not shocking because now I will say the
Speaker 2: WSL okay John Power Rankings of Women's Sport of Soccer
Speaker 2: leagues is you still have NWSL at number one, despite
Speaker 2: what anyone else wants to say, y'all come over here
Speaker 2: and try to win in this sleep. It ain't that
Speaker 2: easy and your body is going to be hurting afterwards.
Speaker 2: That's number one. English Women's Super League number two. Right,
Speaker 2: you have the most actual talent top to bottom in
Speaker 2: that league compared to other leagues. Right, Spain is like
Speaker 2: number seven. You've got Barcelona, Barcelona. None of the other
Speaker 2: teams are that good. Right In France you've got two
Speaker 2: teams maybe three. Yeah, you know Leon PSG, that's it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Germany's getting better. You got Wolfsburg, you got Byron. But
Speaker 2: telling you man like European leagues are there, they're all
Speaker 2: just very concentrated and they all have you know, they
Speaker 2: have two teams maybe in each league that has all
Speaker 2: the good players, right mm hmm, okay, good.
Speaker 1: Then there's an imbalance, I believe as.
Speaker 2: We're massive imbalance and talent and and that that's why
Speaker 2: I just I'm sorry, I don't buy into the European
Speaker 2: hype the way that a lot of people do. There's
Speaker 2: there's a lot of euro snobbery coming from the women's
Speaker 2: side because you know, oh, well they play pretty soccer. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well watches Trinity Rodman and mouse wantson just run past
Speaker 2: them and blast the ball into the back of the net.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you want to talk about imbalance, go to
Speaker 1: Scotland and look at their league. That that is about
Speaker 1: as imbalanced as yeah. Uh var reviews for refing down
Speaker 1: here this week. I know that Tom wanted to go
Speaker 1: over an incident in the midweek at Everton. So one
Speaker 1: of the incidents I wanted to discuss has to do
Speaker 1: with elbow up and it's the coolest Chefsky elbow on
Speaker 1: Romeo Lavia, Tottenham and Chelsea. The seven goal craziness that
Speaker 1: was there. Lava knocked to the ground first half stoppage,
Speaker 1: Koulishewsky elbow up, Anthony Taylor gave the free kick, took
Speaker 1: no disciplinary action. Should and the question is should the
Speaker 1: VAAR have advised a red Koulashevski catching Lava on the
Speaker 1: back of the head with the elbow. No reblem was given.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, just because something looks bad doesn't
Speaker 2: mean it's done with excessive force. Right again, our our
Speaker 2: our standards careless, reckless, excessive force. Right, So you give
Speaker 2: a red card for either serious foul play or violent conduct.
Speaker 2: And the question is did that meet either one? It
Speaker 2: looks bad, it's a foul for sure, it could have
Speaker 2: been a yellow card. I think that's probably a safe,
Speaker 2: a safe bit of discipline there to say that was
Speaker 2: a very reckless thing you just did with your elbow.
Speaker 2: But to me, this like is it a normal challenge
Speaker 2: in the scheme of the game that could be that
Speaker 2: can be considered reckless, where yes, you might be going
Speaker 2: up with your elbow, but most of the time something
Speaker 2: like that, when you're in the grand scheme of actually
Speaker 2: playing soccer, is not going to be given a red
Speaker 2: card like that. Right, it looks bad, I know, but
Speaker 2: there's a lot of things that look bad that are
Speaker 2: just unfortunately still part of soccer.
Speaker 1: Question says it could have been violent conduct for the
Speaker 1: use of the elbow, serious foul play for challenging for
Speaker 1: the ball in a way which endangered the safety of
Speaker 1: possible I mean, and so in the the arm that
Speaker 1: had elbow up obviously that you're looking, Kulashevsky had a
Speaker 1: closed fist. I mean that that traditionally, when you're when
Speaker 1: you're you know, challenging for someone you're trying to clear out,
Speaker 1: it's not going to be with an open hand. So
Speaker 1: that's kind of a a natural it's almost a red
Speaker 1: herring for me with a closed hand in the situation, yes,
Speaker 1: because traditionally, you know, when I it's like I'm when
Speaker 1: I'm running, I'm running closed handed, even if my elbows
Speaker 1: at ninety degrees, I'm not running, you know, like I'm
Speaker 1: trying to be a windmill or something like that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, again, I think this is one of those
Speaker 2: where it didn't look and you cannot judge this necessarily.
Speaker 2: But this is the benefit of VR is it didn't
Speaker 2: even look premeditated, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just looked.
Speaker 2: Like two people challenging for the ball. One's elbow got
Speaker 2: higher than the other. I personally think a yellow card
Speaker 2: could have been a very appropriate course of action here,
Speaker 2: but I do not think that. John. We always talk
Speaker 2: about we don't want VR to re referee no right,
Speaker 2: and I don't think there's any reason for VR to
Speaker 2: intervene for something like this.
Speaker 1: Okay, So then let's go to the Casado Sar incident.
Speaker 1: Ough So, Sar and Caysato challenge in the thirty three
Speaker 1: Anthony Taylor gives a free kick to Spurs. No disciplinary
Speaker 1: action taken. Also checked for a possible red for serious
Speaker 1: foul play. No red was given as Casado is past
Speaker 1: the point of the ball and Sar is caught on
Speaker 1: the shin by cay Stato as he has gone past,
Speaker 1: And once again it gets into context about the same
Speaker 1: level of force to go to a review.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think this one probably looks a little
Speaker 2: worse than the elbow. I think this is one that
Speaker 2: maybe possibly could have been a red card. Sure, but
Speaker 2: I do I kind of understand what the reasoning of
Speaker 2: this was. At the very end of his follow through,
Speaker 2: it was very obvious that the attempt was still to
Speaker 2: play the ball. Right Again, is this serious foul play
Speaker 2: or violent conduct? That's the level we have to kind
Speaker 2: of that, that is the level we're trying to hold
Speaker 2: it to. And I don't think this necessarily is serious
Speaker 2: foul play, but I can see why. You know, I
Speaker 2: could definitely see why this could have been given a
Speaker 2: red card. But again, is it serious foul play? That's
Speaker 2: the question, yes, And that's what we're staring at here.
Speaker 2: Uh Okay, So while I'm going back into the archive
Speaker 2: to go over and find the Everton moment. Question from
Speaker 2: David who was in Raleigh this past weekend, daughter went
Speaker 2: to waken Stanford, who do you like in the Wake
Speaker 2: North Carolina Final? Well, I work with a woman who
Speaker 2: played at Wake, so I'm gonna support her. U and
Speaker 2: C has all has enough titles. They don't need another one,
Speaker 2: even with a with an interim coach to as someone
Speaker 2: who did go to college in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: Yes, ABC, Aha, yes, anybody, but but I do.
Speaker 2: Think I think Carolina will win it.
Speaker 1: But ABC, yeah, I see, I see, I see you
Speaker 1: working here.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I love how computers. You sit there
Speaker 1: and it's like, look, I'm trying to find I'm trying
Speaker 1: to find the moment with this Everton call. And Tom,
Speaker 1: if you've got it ahead of us, then we can
Speaker 1: get into your wake. Yeah, so wake would be nice
Speaker 1: to see the w So crap, I can't find it,
Speaker 1: like in the time.
Speaker 2: If it's the off side, I think we talked about
Speaker 2: it already, and I think we did an offside. He
Speaker 2: was offside, like it was he he committed.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 2: I think we talked. It may not have been a foul,
Speaker 2: but it's offside.
Speaker 1: Okay, so there we go.
Speaker 2: I think that's what if that's the one we're talking
Speaker 2: about that that we've covered that, right, I think we
Speaker 2: he sets the full on O P I pick, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, I think I think we did talk about it,
Speaker 1: memory serves. I think we did talk about it when
Speaker 1: you came on late last week. So Tom, go back.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's the short version. It was an O
Speaker 1: PI pick all right. So what else is going on
Speaker 1: in the soccer for US pod Planet that folks need
Speaker 1: to know about other than going back and listening to
Speaker 1: episode one oh five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go listen to that. Determining when we're recording this
Speaker 2: week because I have three soccer games to play this
Speaker 2: week plus a weekend full of referee coming up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so we'll see. We're going to try to record something
Speaker 2: before Christmas to kind of wrap up twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: and then we'll lead the year with as we did
Speaker 2: last year, our resolutions for the US Soccer program and teams. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what's coming up.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, Well be good, my friend. It's great
Speaker 1: to see you. Like I said, since I've got championships
Speaker 1: next week, I don't know what the next week, what
Speaker 1: next week's GrITT is, So I'm trying to get I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get substitute hosts to come in and make
Speaker 1: it and see what's going on. So we'll see who.
Speaker 1: We'll see who's going to be hosting.
Speaker 2: An intern who could do that?
Speaker 1: Well, not an intern anymore. Yeah, a full on we've
Speaker 1: got a full we got a full on sicko.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So to add to the full on sickos and what's
Speaker 1: Chason doing anymore?
Speaker 2: The season is done, he don't have a job.
Speaker 1: We will discuss, my friend.
Speaker 2: That man is busier than as my dad would say,
Speaker 2: he's busier than a one armed paper hanger. So as
Speaker 2: are you.
Speaker 1: You ain't kidding, brother, We will see you soon, my friend.
Speaker 1: Be well.
Speaker 2: Y'all have fun, and yes, make sure you check out
Speaker 2: the Women's College Cup final tonight. Go watch that