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Speaker 5: and his name is Michael. Michael, thank you so much
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Speaker 6: Hey, Georgia, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 5: It's great to have you. And if you would just
Speaker 5: take a few moments and introduce yourself to the audience.
Speaker 6: Okay, Well, I originally grew up up the western part
Speaker 6: of New York State, kind of between Buffalo and Rochester,
Speaker 6: small town, farming community, race Catholic. Had a very close family, grandparents, cousins, aunts,
Speaker 6: uncles all. Around eighteen years old, I went into the
Speaker 6: Air Force, did purchasing for our contracting in the Air Force.
Speaker 6: I got out, did about almost three years and got
Speaker 6: married right away. Divorce, I don't know, thirteen years later,
Speaker 6: just things didn't work out and then I actually went
Speaker 6: back into the military. I aged out of the Air Force,
Speaker 6: so I went to the Navy Reserve and then did
Speaker 6: a little bit of Navor Reserve. And then shortly after that,
Speaker 6: my brother was about ready to retire from the Air
Speaker 6: Force down North Carolina, so I moved down there and
Speaker 6: joined the Air Force Reserve. So I did that for
Speaker 6: a few years as well. I did retire though, I
Speaker 6: got out sometime in two thousand and seven, two thousand
Speaker 6: and eight, but it's all good. And since then, right
Speaker 6: after I got out of the Air Force again, I
Speaker 6: met my current wife. I was from England and we
Speaker 6: reside in the western part of North Carolina where we
Speaker 6: own our own business. We started during COVID because we
Speaker 6: both got sick of what was going on in COVID,
Speaker 6: and so we make a little gift boxes, very unique ones,
Speaker 6: and we go to trade shows and we do some
Speaker 6: whole wholesale accounts and stuff like that, and we love it.
Speaker 6: We we were trying to do a little home setting
Speaker 6: as well, so then and in the in between all
Speaker 6: that time, from the early nineties, I've been digging up
Speaker 6: the truth, or at least trying to find it.
Speaker 5: Oh, since the nineties, did you ever come across Bill
Speaker 5: Cooper on the radio waves in your early days of
Speaker 5: the truth.
Speaker 6: No, I never heard of Bill Cooper, and probably because
Speaker 6: I didn't really listen to the am radio. I'm guessing
Speaker 6: too much. I think that's probably what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: if he was on late night or something, I would
Speaker 6: have never heard him because I went to bed early.
Speaker 4: Good stuff.
Speaker 5: But your military services is familiar to mine. End my
Speaker 5: dad and me, as far as I knew it would be,
Speaker 5: we did. I did logistics in my later career, so
Speaker 5: I did a lot of purchasing and things of that nature.
Speaker 5: I saw the big contracts, which was one of the
Speaker 5: things that started to wake me up. And then my
Speaker 5: dad was in several branches. He went from the Marines
Speaker 5: to the Marine Reserves to the Army National Guard.
Speaker 4: He jumped around as well, yeah, yeah, yeah, did you
Speaker 4: do anything? I'm sorry, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 6: I was gonna say, if I had stayed in the
Speaker 6: Air Force Reserve, I was trying to like work backwards.
Speaker 6: But I may have just squeaked out before they started
Speaker 6: bandiating COVID shots. But I would have been right in
Speaker 6: that time frame with time and service and all that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's I'm very glad I wasn't in for that
Speaker 5: because you know, can you imagine having eighteen nineteen years
Speaker 5: in your year a year or two away and being
Speaker 5: forced with that decision, And.
Speaker 6: That's where I would have been, probably, you know, right there,
Speaker 6: and I can't imagine it, And I, you know, my
Speaker 6: mindset would have been different, probably too, I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: Yep, mine as well. For sure, You're a little different. Yeah,
Speaker 4: absolutely so.
Speaker 6: But I I like the path I chose. So I'm
Speaker 6: glad I went into the military, but I'm not going
Speaker 6: to go back in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and probably would.
Speaker 6: Not advise anybody going back in either.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It is hard to encourage someone to do that in
Speaker 5: this day and age, just because with war looming, with
Speaker 5: the vaccines and knowing what really who who is running things,
Speaker 5: and why we go.
Speaker 4: Off to war, it is certainly a big part of it.
Speaker 4: Did you did you deploy it all during your time
Speaker 4: in service?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 6: I I was actually just stationed out at Los Angeles
Speaker 6: Air Force Station. If you do you know where that is? Yeah, yep,
Speaker 6: it's just like it takes two up, takes up two
Speaker 6: blocks of a street outside of La x Or.
Speaker 4: Yep, very so.
Speaker 6: And I actually joined the Air Force to see aircraft.
Speaker 6: I want to be around aircraft, but my color vision
Speaker 6: won't allow that for lack of But so I never
Speaker 6: really got to see any aircraft other than the Northrop
Speaker 6: plant that was next to me building tail assemblies for
Speaker 6: the F eighteen.
Speaker 4: North Or Grumming was right there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was right next to me, like literally one
Speaker 6: hundred feet away.
Speaker 5: I bet you A lot of people went from the
Speaker 5: Air Force to working for those folks.
Speaker 6: Oh, they did. Like a guy I worked with, he
Speaker 6: was a E four. He got out and went right
Speaker 6: back into contracting for him.
Speaker 4: He made three times the money he probably was in
Speaker 4: the Air Force, right.
Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, and that's what they all did.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's talk a little bit about COVID, if you would,
Speaker 5: because most people who I interview talk about that that
Speaker 5: time period was very It had quite an impact on
Speaker 5: their lives. Talk to me about, you know, how when
Speaker 5: it started and when you started to notice things weren't
Speaker 5: adding up, and how it motivated you to get into
Speaker 5: your own business.
Speaker 6: Okay, so the I just taking a taking a job
Speaker 6: as a design an engineer at a local furniture company,
Speaker 6: and you know, everything's going good there and you know,
Speaker 6: we start hearing these rumors about COVID. You know, I'm thinking, okay,
Speaker 6: another flu, another swine flu, another this or that, you know,
Speaker 6: and I just I didn't really pay much mind. And
Speaker 6: you know, I do it. About a month or two,
Speaker 6: you know, the the steam is building behind this whole narrative.
Speaker 6: And my I remember by manager coming to me says,
Speaker 6: you know, it looks like we might have to be
Speaker 6: taking some time off a couple of weeks. They're talking
Speaker 6: about having the company, all the companies around the nation
Speaker 6: closed down to to flatten the curve, as they were
Speaker 6: coining it. Okay, and I said, all right, that'd be cool.
Speaker 6: You know, a couple of weeks off, we'll go back,
Speaker 6: you know, and everything is normal. So of course, you know,
Speaker 6: anybody who's lived through that knows that's not what happened.
Speaker 6: They you know, they closed everything down and then in
Speaker 6: many businesses, everything was being closed down for good. And
Speaker 6: this was right at the end of the Trump administration,
Speaker 6: I I believe, right, correct, So you know, and I lay,
Speaker 6: I coined us. You know, Trump started this thing, you know,
Speaker 6: and he, you know, he appeared to be kind of
Speaker 6: lukewarm about keeping keeping businesses open. You know, he didn't
Speaker 6: really I just didn't really get the sense that he
Speaker 6: really cared much, okay, because it just kept going on
Speaker 6: and on and on, and I got to the point
Speaker 6: my work situation where I was on two weeks no on,
Speaker 6: a week off, a week on, a week off, a
Speaker 6: week okay, and then which was getting kind of tiresome
Speaker 6: because I was, you know, I wanted to work, of course.
Speaker 6: And and then my wife, she was working for she
Speaker 6: had a county job, and you know, she was going
Speaker 6: through some you know, a lot of stuff and you
Speaker 6: know at at the county level that they were doing,
Speaker 6: you know, tightening down restrictions and getting your temperatures and
Speaker 6: all this stuff and all kinds of wacky protocols that
Speaker 6: they were going through. So then Biden administration rolls in
Speaker 6: and then it seems like at that point, you know,
Speaker 6: is Draccnian authoritarian posse that he had behind him was
Speaker 6: shutting everything down completely. And it was kind of at
Speaker 6: that point I just said, you know, I am not
Speaker 6: I am met. You know, they're talking about these forced vaccinations,
Speaker 6: and I said, no way, I'm not gonna I am
Speaker 6: not gonna go through all that because at that point,
Speaker 6: up to that point, I was starting to hear rumors
Speaker 6: about you know, they were going to release this thing
Speaker 6: without any without any data behind it, and any vaccine
Speaker 6: prior to that is at least ten years study on them.
Speaker 6: And I've been watching vaccines for a good ten to
Speaker 6: fifteen years prior to that. There's a website I've been
Speaker 6: always following, and it was mostly related to autism that's
Speaker 6: going on. But anyway, and those two were just kind
Speaker 6: of tying together for me and I and through the media,
Speaker 6: you know, they're just pushing it, pushing it, pushing it,
Speaker 6: and they're you know, making these threats to people. If
Speaker 6: you don't do it, you're gonna get fired. If you
Speaker 6: don't do it, you can't come to our bar, you
Speaker 6: can't come meet with us, you can't come dying with
Speaker 6: your family because you're gonna you're gonna kill your grandma
Speaker 6: and grandpa and all this stuff and trying to put
Speaker 6: this guilt pill on you if you didn't get it,
Speaker 6: and I wasn't buying into it. You know, it's just
Speaker 6: don't push. You can't push me into a corner because
Speaker 6: I'll be I'll turn into a line real quick. Just
Speaker 6: so anyway, that's uh So during that period, I had
Speaker 6: deciding I'm going to do something different. And about eighteen
Speaker 6: years prior, now, let's say fifteen years prior to that,
Speaker 6: I had started this business I have now making boxes,
Speaker 6: and I did it for about three years right at
Speaker 6: the end of my first marriage and the marriage that
Speaker 6: wasn't working out, and I just kind of gave up
Speaker 6: on the business end of it. But I kept all
Speaker 6: of the knowledge, you know, and all my files, so
Speaker 6: COVID rolls around. I basically went back to that business,
Speaker 6: and I kind of modified a few things, and I
Speaker 6: just you know, I had a discussion with my wife.
Speaker 6: I said, I think we ought to try this. You know,
Speaker 6: I'm not going to put up with this stuff that's
Speaker 6: going on. You know, we both have a little bit
Speaker 6: of an itch just to kind of do our own thing.
Speaker 6: So we just I jumped in. I quit my job,
Speaker 6: really you know, very well paying job, got the business.
Speaker 6: I got all the files created, uh tool pass made
Speaker 6: because I have to you know, actually make these things
Speaker 6: on a C and C and sandm put some finish
Speaker 6: on them and all this, and then when I got
Speaker 6: most of the prototyping done, my wife quit her job.
Speaker 4: Wow, without a without.
Speaker 6: A single person person asking me for an order, I
Speaker 6: literally sink or swim. George, I said, we're going to
Speaker 6: make this thing work.
Speaker 4: That takes a lot of courage.
Speaker 6: It does, and I and I encourage anybody you know
Speaker 6: who has the willpower, the work ethic and the knowledge
Speaker 6: to do something to do with yourself because you can
Speaker 6: do it. I mean, we still have that freedom here
Speaker 6: in this country.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Now, and you know, running your own business not only
Speaker 5: one gives you the freedom to make your own schedule,
Speaker 5: et cetera. But number two, you want to talk about
Speaker 5: betting on yourself, right, Yeah, when I was in the military,
Speaker 5: the military was going to continue with or without start
Speaker 5: and first class hops when I was going and it
Speaker 5: just continued on. But you know, having your success or
Speaker 5: failure depend on your actions, it's to me.
Speaker 4: When I opened my own business, it was just it
Speaker 4: was awesome. Right.
Speaker 5: If your business succeeded, it was because the hard work
Speaker 5: you put in. And not every business succeeds, and it's
Speaker 5: not because of a lack of effort. Sometimes it's just
Speaker 5: not the right time or whatever, especially if it's a
Speaker 5: niche type of thing, right like mine was. But yes,
Speaker 5: working for yourself and having the finals too.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, m.
Speaker 6: And like like a little niche business, that's what mine is.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's nobody else in this that, as far
Speaker 6: as I know, makes these things.
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 6: Anyway, you know, it's been five years, so we're still going.
Speaker 6: We were profitable the very first year. In fact, our
Speaker 6: first year was only working basically six months. We paid
Speaker 6: off the entire investments and money.
Speaker 4: That's awesome.
Speaker 6: It's been going well. And I consider myself semi retired,
Speaker 6: which was my goal to do that in my fifties.
Speaker 6: There was always my goals back in the twenties and
Speaker 6: my thirties. Is semi retired in my fifties and I
Speaker 6: did it.
Speaker 4: That's awesome.
Speaker 6: But you know it was me who did it, and
Speaker 6: not just me, but you know, with the help of
Speaker 6: God too. I mean I've had spiritual guides all the
Speaker 6: way through.
Speaker 4: Amen. That's awesome.
Speaker 6: You know, there's there's a whole story behind that, which
Speaker 6: I if you know, I think Cliff Stevens was a
Speaker 6: a guest from Truth to Faith podcast. Yeah, I did
Speaker 6: a little show with him and I kind of explained
Speaker 6: my path towards salvation with him. So if you ever
Speaker 6: want to listen to that. It was just a few
Speaker 6: months ago.
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely send me that link. I'll put it in
Speaker 5: the show notes for the listeners. And by the way,
Speaker 5: do you have a website for your business?
Speaker 6: We have We don't actually have a website. We have
Speaker 6: the Etsy store.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, send me the link for that.
Speaker 6: I'll do is I'll give you the link to our
Speaker 6: Etsy store.
Speaker 4: Yeah, do that so the listeners can check you out.
Speaker 6: Yeah. So I'll just show you real quick what they are.
Speaker 6: They're just a little like little box like this is
Speaker 6: a guitar box. Pops open.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's just why we have guitars. You got a
Speaker 6: little hard here.
Speaker 4: You know. That is so cool. That looks amazing.
Speaker 6: But but anyway, I probably should get into this flat Earth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's talk about your journey to flat Earth.
Speaker 6: It kind of all ties together too in my in
Speaker 6: my mind. So back in the really in the in
Speaker 6: the eighties, when I was a teenager, I listened to
Speaker 6: that news quite a bit. You know. It was I
Speaker 6: liked Walter Cronkite and you know Dan Rather and all that.
Speaker 6: I look forward to it and I believed it. I
Speaker 6: had no reason out to believe it because they're supposed
Speaker 6: to be trustworthy. But I get into the Air Force
Speaker 6: and the contracting and come, what is it? I think
Speaker 6: it was October time frame when they have to spend
Speaker 6: all the money.
Speaker 4: Yes, spend it or lose it.
Speaker 6: Spend it or lose it. Well, you know, I'm We're
Speaker 6: in the office and all of a sudden, my supervisor
Speaker 6: comes to me, you know, he goes, well, this agency
Speaker 6: just found fifty thousand dollars and I'm not making this
Speaker 6: number up. It was true. They got to spend it.
Speaker 6: I'm like, on what, well, Google, They're gonna send us
Speaker 6: some Air Force form nines, which are Emergency spending authorization
Speaker 6: or something like that.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 6: And sure enough, here here they come, just start rolling
Speaker 6: in the uh the purchase requests and I'm I'm cutting
Speaker 6: purchase orders for stuff they don't need. And and one
Speaker 6: of this wasn't part of that. This wasn't in that
Speaker 6: time a specific timeframe, but it was in that year
Speaker 6: we got a request from a department that they needed
Speaker 6: a uh an HP laser printer. Those were new at
Speaker 6: the time. Yeah, this was back to like nineteen eighty eight,
Speaker 6: eighty seven, eighty eight, and they label it as mission critical.
Speaker 4: Of course for a laser printer.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the right inter office correspondence.
Speaker 3: Five.
Speaker 6: It was about five thousand dollars George for a laser printer.
Speaker 5: So yeah, that doesn't shock me. I saw incredible contracts.
Speaker 5: One was for when we were in Iraq. They would
Speaker 5: spend money on all these things to try. It was
Speaker 5: a personal air conditioning kit. It went like on your
Speaker 5: lbe and it had a little fan and cooling system.
Speaker 5: And I saw the price for it, and I thought,
Speaker 5: my goodness, we're really just blowing money now. And that's
Speaker 5: it's used it or lose it. At the end of the
Speaker 5: fiscal year, you'll have ten days five days we got
Speaker 5: to spend it or we lose it. And imagine just
Speaker 5: blowing it on whatever the tax I could hear the
Speaker 5: taxpayers crying as these.
Speaker 6: Ridiculous happens at a corporation. I mean, yeah, if you
Speaker 6: don't spend the money, they don't mind because that's money
Speaker 6: that they can use for their shareholders.
Speaker 4: That's right. The government is the worst keeper of money.
Speaker 6: So anyway, yeah, so anyway, that just kind of you know,
Speaker 6: the little light bulb went off there, So I get
Speaker 6: out of the air force, and I make friends. I
Speaker 6: become friends with a fella who adopted a dog that
Speaker 6: we had, and uh, he was a he liked shooting
Speaker 6: targets for the you know, rifles, and he had an
Speaker 6: outdoor range.
Speaker 4: So so he invited me over.
Speaker 6: He did some target shooting, and he started asking me
Speaker 6: about like Ruby Ridge and if I knew who the
Speaker 6: the Rothschilds were, the uh the committee of three hundred
Speaker 6: and uh iki'd there's some other.
Speaker 5: Ones counsel on board relations, the build build build a
Speaker 5: berg build of bergs.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I said no. So he started filling me in.
Speaker 6: He's telling me about like the Ruby Ridge and the
Speaker 6: and move was the one out in Texas. Uh waitos
Speaker 6: eag Waco, Waco, that was the other one. So we started.
Speaker 6: He started enlightening me on you know, what was going
Speaker 6: on with the I guess was the ATF with with Waco. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so I don't remember all the details, has been so long,
Speaker 6: but he pointed out all the all the the uh
Speaker 6: the flaws, I guess, and the things that were in question.
Speaker 6: And so I'm thinking, Okay, the government's kind of bad,
Speaker 6: but I'm thinking it's just pockets of government, you know,
Speaker 6: just a few bad apples in the bushel in my
Speaker 6: life went basically went on through the nineties. Uh, And
Speaker 6: I got got a couple of notes here. Let's see,
Speaker 6: I had to kind of outline here, we're gonna put
Speaker 6: that for here. So yeah, he lighted me about you know,
Speaker 6: the Federal Reserve, the i r S. You know that
Speaker 6: the I R S wasn't actually a government entity. It's
Speaker 6: actually a private corporation. And then one of the big
Speaker 6: ones was there was that in light me was nine
Speaker 6: to eleven.
Speaker 4: Okay, big one.
Speaker 6: Now, the day it happened, I thought it was real, okay, and.
Speaker 4: I believed.
Speaker 6: I guess it was. The FBI director found the wallets
Speaker 6: of the terrorists after it blew up ninety stories high
Speaker 6: in the plane. It just happened to land on the
Speaker 6: sidewalk where the FBI agent was walking. A coincidence, all right,
Speaker 6: you know, it was just it happened. Well, then I
Speaker 6: got my first computer about that same time, and then
Speaker 6: the video started coming out yep, and and there was
Speaker 6: tons and tons of videos back then about the fraud
Speaker 6: behind nine to eleven. And then I started digging up
Speaker 6: stuff on TWA flight eight hundred and how the government
Speaker 6: was covering this stuff up. Right, There was two hundred
Speaker 6: and fifty plus people basically saw two or three missiles
Speaker 6: take down the seven forty seven. But there if the
Speaker 6: media was pushing was eye witnessed testimony is not reliable.
Speaker 6: You remember that?
Speaker 4: Yes, sorry, I did a podcast on it.
Speaker 6: Okay, I witness testimony only in that case, but any
Speaker 6: other case, murder cases, you know, it could be any
Speaker 6: kind of bank fraud case. I witness testimonies are credible.
Speaker 5: You realize if you remember that happened, right, beyd I
Speaker 5: think it was July of ninety six, so it would
Speaker 5: have been three months or so before the election. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: And that was a big thing. Clinton was afraid he
Speaker 5: was going to lose if the truth got out.
Speaker 6: So I had my I had myself convinced at one
Speaker 6: point that TWA flight eight hundred was actually shot down
Speaker 6: by a terrorist organization and that you know, maybe the
Speaker 6: Navy took them out and the media was covering up
Speaker 6: because nobody would fly again if they knew there there's
Speaker 6: actual terrorists, you know, offshore to shoot our planes down.
Speaker 6: But I think, okay, maybe that's a good thing. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I know, there's something else behind and I'm.
Speaker 4: Certain of that now, Oh yeah, if I could.
Speaker 5: I think the two biggest things are there was Navy
Speaker 5: training going on outside there, and it was accidental. But
Speaker 5: there's also a lot of people who've written articles saying
Speaker 5: it was Israel. Okay, Art Bell did an interview back
Speaker 5: in ninety seven, and I have it in my classic audio.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna link my podcast in Art Bell's old interview
Speaker 5: in the show notes if people want to go back
Speaker 5: and listen to it. And that's another thing, it's amazing.
Speaker 5: Maybe ten percent of the people are even aware of
Speaker 5: that incident that remember it.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, not many do because it wasn't on the
Speaker 6: internet back then, correct, Art big thing. So so with
Speaker 6: the nine to eleven flight eight hundred and then we're
Speaker 6: going to bring into the moon landy because I always
Speaker 6: thought in the eighties, I says, why haven't we gone
Speaker 6: back to the moon. Then we get to the nineties,
Speaker 6: Oh Clinton says, or Bush or Clinton we're going back
Speaker 6: to the moon. Well, then we never go back to
Speaker 6: the moon.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 6: So I started just digging into this stuff. You know,
Speaker 6: the Internet is great. I'm just pulling stuff up left
Speaker 6: and right, and I come across we never went to
Speaker 6: the Moon. I said, oh, that's got to be Bologna.
Speaker 4: We went to the moon.
Speaker 6: You know, do you watch a couple of these videos
Speaker 6: with a with a with a with a focused eye,
Speaker 6: it's it's Hollywood and then and that footage is no
Speaker 6: better than the Planet of the Apes or anything else
Speaker 6: that was produced back in those in that day, it
Speaker 6: was state of the art Hollywood CGI or whatever you
Speaker 6: want to call. I think it was front screen camera
Speaker 6: technology is what they called it. But that's all it is.
Speaker 6: You know, it's just a big stage with a projection
Speaker 6: on the back. Front screen projection, as I think, is
Speaker 6: what they used.
Speaker 5: Ye, And let me ask you this, do you think
Speaker 5: that they knew all along the we couldn't go to
Speaker 5: the moon? Or b that they realized we couldn't go
Speaker 5: to the moon and they felt like they had to
Speaker 5: fake it.
Speaker 4: And then I'll follow with more questions.
Speaker 5: I'll start with that, do you think they knew ahead
Speaker 5: of time before they faked it that we couldn't get
Speaker 5: to the moon.
Speaker 6: You're talking about the astronauts correct.
Speaker 4: Well, in general they that the controllers.
Speaker 6: Say, okay, so I think most people I'm gonna say,
Speaker 6: the people watching the computer screens. They were they were
Speaker 6: convinced they were going to the moon. Okay, yep, agreed
Speaker 6: the astronauts. I think they were convinced they were going
Speaker 6: to try to get them to the moon. But I
Speaker 6: don't think they knew it was fake. I think they were.
Speaker 6: They they realized they were hoodwinked when it was too late.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's interesting.
Speaker 6: I think they were so far into it, like maybe
Speaker 6: within a couple of days of actually taking off, they
Speaker 6: may pulled the side. Hey guys, we're just gonna send
Speaker 6: you out a little ride here. We're gonna land you
Speaker 6: in the Atlantic or Pacific wherever they shot them off to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, pick you up.
Speaker 6: This is what we want you to do. Everything will
Speaker 6: be good. People believe you. I think that's what happened.
Speaker 6: But I think they, you know, initially thought yeah, we're
Speaker 6: going to go to the moon because I don't think
Speaker 6: they could leak out the truth. You know, too many people,
Speaker 6: they just can't do that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I am inclined to think that they weren't told
Speaker 5: until very close to the departure date. Now, what are
Speaker 5: your thoughts on the controllers, the people who actually pull
Speaker 5: the levers in the world. Do you think they've always
Speaker 5: known we couldn't go to the moon. Yes, they know
Speaker 5: the firmament and everything, how the world is actually agreed.
Speaker 6: But I think and then you look at the the people,
Speaker 6: like say at Michigan Control, you know, sitting at all
Speaker 6: their councils, they're just I think what was happening is
Speaker 6: somebody else was back feeding them data.
Speaker 4: Oh sure, they were feeding them telemetry absolutely.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And that was kind of spelled out that that
Speaker 6: one movie with O. J. Simpson back into seven Capricorn one. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: Disclosure at its finest, right, Yeah, yeah, so those are
Speaker 6: those are you know, I didn't watch I just watched
Speaker 6: that about a year year and a half ago. I
Speaker 6: never knew it existed until I heard it on your
Speaker 6: show or somewhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Isn't it funny that I would say probably ninety percent
Speaker 5: of the population actually believed that was going on, that
Speaker 5: that had happened, and they were able to pull off
Speaker 5: such a lie.
Speaker 6: Yeah, m h.
Speaker 4: Unbelievable.
Speaker 6: So it's yeah, so you know, even to this day,
Speaker 6: they're talking about, you know, we're gonna send somebody to
Speaker 6: Mars and this and that, and I was like, it
Speaker 6: ain't gonna happen, you know, all the the more most
Speaker 6: recent footage. You know, they just supposedly save the Space
Speaker 6: Station crew, you know, from from abandonment. It was all
Speaker 6: cgi footage. Oh the drama, the footage down in South America.
Speaker 6: Somebody tore that whole video apart or I'm sorry, down
Speaker 6: in Antarctica.
Speaker 4: The final experiment.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, they tore that. The people who know
Speaker 6: how to analyze digital footage, they they tear these things
Speaker 6: apart and just pull out the fraud instantly, so you know,
Speaker 6: there's no footprints being left in the snow, little little
Speaker 6: things like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't like to beat up on people, but it's
Speaker 5: kind of actually sad to see what happened to Austin
Speaker 5: wits It because he had such a huge following. You out,
Speaker 5: Uh can you hear me now, you said, and wits
Speaker 5: It Yep. He was one of the guys and he's
Speaker 5: had such a downfall in the act. There's a video
Speaker 5: of him asking for money last week. I think it's
Speaker 5: just it it's hard to watch.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, so many people
Speaker 6: are putting a lot of effort into this stuff, and
Speaker 6: you know I understand that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so.
Speaker 3: Well, you know.
Speaker 6: So we rolled into the kind of the mid two
Speaker 6: thousands and stuff for this flat Earth, and all of
Speaker 6: a sudden, I get videos are going to come up,
Speaker 6: you know, on my search algorithm, through YouTube or whatever else.
Speaker 6: You know, it would have been YouTube, you know, flat Earth.
Speaker 6: I was like, what the heck is this, you know,
Speaker 6: and probably I passed over it, probably the first six months.
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna watch this, you know, because I was
Speaker 6: an assa fan, you know. And even though I you know,
Speaker 6: I have questioned the Moon landing, you know, there was
Speaker 6: you know, their satellites up there, and they landed probes
Speaker 6: on Mars and.
Speaker 4: Stuff and.
Speaker 6: Flew beyond flu past Pluto and all this stuff. And
Speaker 6: that's another story there. I got to tell you about Pluto.
Speaker 6: So so I eventually watch a flat earth video and
Speaker 6: I don't know which one I watched first, and I
Speaker 6: was like, oh, that's kind of convincing. So I watched
Speaker 6: another one, and then another one and another one. So
Speaker 6: I probably watched at least binge watching for I'm gonna
Speaker 6: say a couple of months, okay, and then and I'm
Speaker 6: telling my wife about you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 6: stuff going around about flat Earth and she, you know,
Speaker 6: it just kind of rolls her eye. Yeah, right, whatever,
Speaker 6: the earth is too big to see a curve, right,
Speaker 6: you know, or to not see a curve. So we
Speaker 6: went camping right in that timeframe. A place that we
Speaker 6: normally would go to is down by Cherry Point Air Station.
Speaker 6: You know where that is not familiar now, Okay, it's
Speaker 6: in eastern North Carolina. Okay, it's a marine base. Well,
Speaker 6: they're right on the Noose River. And a Noose River
Speaker 6: is a huge tidal river that goes up into our hometown,
Speaker 6: which is a little bit further north, exactly sixteen miles
Speaker 6: up river. And it just so happens when we camp
Speaker 6: on the beach. You can take your binoculars and look
Speaker 6: up the beach or look up the river and see
Speaker 6: our town. You can see all the buildings and everything.
Speaker 6: The bridge, the big main bridge that crosses over into it,
Speaker 6: and there's a five story building and according to NASA,
Speaker 6: I gotta thank NASA for giving us these tools.
Speaker 4: I could see everything absolutely. That was my very first
Speaker 4: test that I did.
Speaker 6: I sat on the beach, my little short lounge or
Speaker 6: beach chair, got my binoculars out, and I knew what
Speaker 6: the calculations were its one hundred and sixty feet. I
Speaker 6: think it was of curvature. I shouldn't be able to
Speaker 6: see my hometown. And you saw it, and I saw it.
Speaker 6: I swear to God or George. I had goosebumps going
Speaker 6: up and down my whole body. Wow, because I was
Speaker 6: just you know, I was watching all the videos, but
Speaker 6: until I saw, you know, I was like, yeah, okay.
Speaker 6: And at that point, and this was twenty fourteen, fifteen,
Speaker 6: I think it was, and I just was. I just
Speaker 6: dove into a head first, and every chance I got
Speaker 6: was I was looking, looking, looking, every time I look,
Speaker 6: I can see. And I got to the point where
Speaker 6: I actually bought a telescope. It's a one hundred millimeter
Speaker 6: or a ninety millimeter telescope that I retrofitted a camera too.
Speaker 6: And so if I go to the beach now, and
Speaker 6: that's really the best place to look for flat air
Speaker 6: stuff in my opinion, especially if you get up about
Speaker 6: twenty feet, like on a pier, because you gotta get
Speaker 6: above the haze and stuff. And I've got footage of
Speaker 6: boats coming out of a harbor. I was in Florida,
Speaker 6: down here Saint Augustine. I was looking up northern Florida
Speaker 6: at Port Jackson, I think it was. It's about forty
Speaker 6: eight miles away. It was cruise ship Elation, it was
Speaker 6: what it was called. And it was on the ship
Speaker 6: tracking gap that I had on my phone, and it
Speaker 6: was the only ship out there. It was coming out
Speaker 6: of the port and coming towards me. And I could
Speaker 6: see this thing for thirty five to forty miles away
Speaker 6: and it should have been about six hundred pep below
Speaker 6: the horizon was that night because I had two big
Speaker 6: lights on it. And I actually posted some of those
Speaker 6: pictures of when I did it on your website a
Speaker 6: year or so agos for the forum.
Speaker 4: Oh that's right, that's right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so but yeah, I mean, and I just come
Speaker 6: back from my wife and I took a trip over
Speaker 6: to England, and there's where we go. There's a place
Speaker 6: where you look across the water, or at least anywhere.
Speaker 6: It's from twelve to sixteen miles and you can see
Speaker 6: everything across the shore. You know, there's nothing, it's just flat,
Speaker 6: you know. I can go up on a hilltop here
Speaker 6: in the western part of North Carolina and I can
Speaker 6: see Charlotte, the whole all of Charlotte. Okay, that's ninety
Speaker 6: miles away. But the funny thing is, George, I can
Speaker 6: see beyond Charlotte really yeah, and according to the curvature calculations,
Speaker 6: I should only see about halfway up the tallest building
Speaker 6: in Charlotte, I think, and the tallest building in Charlotte
Speaker 6: something like seven or eight hundred feet high.
Speaker 4: So you know it just.
Speaker 6: You know, it's this there. I mean, you just go
Speaker 6: out look. And that's what I tell everybody if I
Speaker 6: ever get the opportunity. I don't push your flat earth
Speaker 6: on anybody, but if it comes up in conversation, I'll definitely,
Speaker 6: you know, entertain them and I'll ask them, do you
Speaker 6: really want to hear some stuff or you want.
Speaker 7: To just.
Speaker 6: You know, you'll not take it seriously or you know.
Speaker 6: So I you know, and I said, you got to look,
Speaker 6: you know, and just take the time and look at it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So that is something that we all struggle with, is
Speaker 5: sharing the knowledge and how it's received. And like you said,
Speaker 5: the person has to really be willing to accept it
Speaker 5: or willing to listen, because if they're not in that
Speaker 5: frame of mind, you can give them any type of
Speaker 5: evidence they're not gonna it's not going to registrate them.
Speaker 4: And like with my.
Speaker 6: You know, my wife, she listens, she listens passively to
Speaker 6: all your podcasts with me. Uh, I listened to a
Speaker 6: lot of Crow Triple seven, Truth to Faith podcasts all
Speaker 6: and she she hears it all. But you know, I
Speaker 6: don't know if she believes it or I don't actually
Speaker 6: ask her. It doesn't matter to me. My brother, my dad,
Speaker 6: they all know something screwed up in the government. You know, they,
Speaker 6: you know, my brother pretty much think Trump's gonna save
Speaker 6: the world.
Speaker 4: And you know, I'm not there.
Speaker 6: I think it's gonna happen, but you know, maybe maybe
Speaker 6: there's a one one percent chance he will. I'll give
Speaker 6: them that. Maybe maybe, and there's you know, but they
Speaker 6: you know, as it's been said on many of the
Speaker 6: other podcasts, most of these people know that there's something
Speaker 6: screwed up in the government and around the world with
Speaker 6: all the other governments and the wars, financial corruption, bank
Speaker 6: correc option, the family, what I want to say, the
Speaker 6: detachment of the families or breaking the families apart, destruction
Speaker 6: of the nuclear family. Yeah, instructure, nuclear family, thank you,
Speaker 6: But they don't. A lot of them just cannot put
Speaker 6: all the pieces together or they don't want to.
Speaker 4: Yep. And you know what, Michael, A lot of that
Speaker 4: is because of the gatekeepers.
Speaker 5: They think that whether it's the Blade, the guy on
Speaker 5: the Blaze or Joe Rogan, they will they will take
Speaker 5: you so far, but they won't take you all the
Speaker 5: way to the truth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they won't.
Speaker 6: And up until about a year ago, I would I
Speaker 6: was actually still listening to like Dan Bongino. Yeah, there
Speaker 6: you go, you know, and you know, I would just
Speaker 6: kind of for the political highlights of what was going on,
Speaker 6: and you could see where.
Speaker 4: They draw the line. I'm like, okay, Dan, you you
Speaker 4: you said that, but now take it one.
Speaker 6: More brother, Yes, will nail it. They won't do it.
Speaker 4: No, they won't.
Speaker 6: They will not do it. So and I just gave
Speaker 6: up on all of them. It's just it's a waste.
Speaker 7: It is.
Speaker 6: All I do now is just I'll flip I'll flip
Speaker 6: through the uh A couple of noose websites just to
Speaker 6: see who blew, who blew? Who up?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's about it, I mean yeah, and that's I'll
Speaker 5: peak on social media just to get a temperature of
Speaker 5: what's going on in the world.
Speaker 4: And then I go back to searching for the truth. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you.
Speaker 6: One of the most profound things I wanted to tell
Speaker 6: you was, so I discovered flat earth by my you
Speaker 6: know not you know, I had help finding it, but
Speaker 6: I truly found it. And it's it's real now that
Speaker 6: the faith part of it comes in at at this
Speaker 6: point a couple of years ago. So I told you
Speaker 6: I grew up Catholic. So I did, you know what,
Speaker 6: did the whole Catholicism thing, you know, A watch church
Speaker 6: after school on Mondays, and did my first Holy Communion confirmation.
Speaker 6: So I'm an official, you know, member of the church.
Speaker 6: And in my early twenties was it was probably up
Speaker 6: until now, the most religious I was because as a teenager,
Speaker 6: young kid, Yeah, I went to church, but I'd rather
Speaker 6: go out and play. Well, I waste my Sunday, you know,
Speaker 6: I didn't you know Jesus was that there was a
Speaker 6: picture of my bedroom hanging up and I didn't really
Speaker 6: understand at all, but he was watching over me. And
Speaker 6: I believe in God, no doubt, but it didn't mean
Speaker 6: a whole lot. In my twenties, I was a little
Speaker 6: bit religious. I went to church, a few times trying
Speaker 6: to get back into it. Then I got divorced. Moving
Speaker 6: into my thirties and forties, I was kind of getting
Speaker 6: trapped into this, uh some of the New Age movement
Speaker 6: beliefs and stuff and just and I was just trying
Speaker 6: to find my my own path, I guess to say.
Speaker 6: And I was just listening to these different you know,
Speaker 6: what does wick I have to say about it? That's
Speaker 6: the only one I can remember offhand. And you know,
Speaker 6: astrologers and uh, fortune telling and all this stuff. And
Speaker 6: I think there's some I want to I don't want
Speaker 6: to call them truth, but there's there's some powers there
Speaker 6: that people can tap into that I don't think you
Speaker 6: should be tapping into. Most people don't know what they're
Speaker 6: tapping into. And I and it never really felt too
Speaker 6: comfortable with me. So about four or five years ago,
Speaker 6: I sub let's give Catholicism a try again. And so
Speaker 6: I what I did was is I subscribed to their newspaper.
Speaker 6: So I started getting that in the mail every couple
Speaker 6: of weeks, and all the articles written by the para
Speaker 6: or the layman, really nice articles, you know, giving money
Speaker 6: to this charity and doing these you know, good deeds
Speaker 6: and stuff. But the other half of the paper was bureaucracy.
Speaker 6: Then you cannot believe really the bureaucracy.
Speaker 4: In that in that church. So and I just I
Speaker 4: stopped it, you know, I just stopped getting it. And
Speaker 4: and I know there's and.
Speaker 6: There seems that I'm not going to point fingers because
Speaker 6: I don't know the whole truth about the papacy and
Speaker 6: all this, but you know, there's a lot of fingers
Speaker 6: that point to the pope as being not what it's
Speaker 6: supposed to be. And the Bible says, I'm not supposed
Speaker 6: to be judging these people. So but there's questions there.
Speaker 6: We'll leave it at that. So so anyway, I I'm
Speaker 6: trying to lose my train of thought here. So anyway,
Speaker 6: I am Catholicism was not the path. And I get
Speaker 6: back on watching some flat earth videos and the level
Speaker 6: video comes up. Do you remember that one?
Speaker 4: Absolutely?
Speaker 6: Okay, I'll watched that thing, and to me, that was
Speaker 6: a brilliant video, at least it was for me because
Speaker 6: it tied in so many different things. It did some science,
Speaker 6: that did some religious stuff, the fake news, the NASA things,
Speaker 6: and something clicked in that video. And I, after watching
Speaker 6: I merely pulled out the Bible read the first part
Speaker 6: of Genesis, like, holy smokes, there is God does really exist.
Speaker 6: It's there at the firmament. It says it right there,
Speaker 6: right And that was my moment of being truly saved
Speaker 6: right there. I and I've been diving in this, delving
Speaker 6: in the script your daily now. I just finished reading
Speaker 6: the Bible this past month. Took me about a year,
Speaker 6: every morning, reading a little bit of it from front
Speaker 6: to back. And I'm going back through it again. I
Speaker 6: just started reading in the Genesis again and I'm just
Speaker 6: starting to pick it apart and just trying to I've
Speaker 6: got like four different versions. I got a couple of
Speaker 6: Catholic ones. I got the King, James New King, James ESV,
Speaker 6: and Nasby and I kind of back and forth. So
Speaker 6: and it's definitely a flat earth book, There's no doubt
Speaker 6: about it.
Speaker 4: Couldn't agree more there.
Speaker 6: I mean, the history is there, It's our history laid
Speaker 6: out in front of us. What do you thing, man?
Speaker 5: If regular lay people like you and I can understand this,
Speaker 5: why are so many people within the church not willing
Speaker 5: to even have a conversation about it.
Speaker 6: I think they're afraid I think they're afraid of their
Speaker 6: their peers, and they've been indoctrinated for so long since
Speaker 6: literally kindergarten when that teachers spun that globe in front
Speaker 6: of him and tell him this is where you live,
Speaker 6: like it or not. And then just through every single
Speaker 6: aspect of their life, you see, you see the globe.
Speaker 6: You know, subliminally or subconsciously, it's there. And if you know,
Speaker 6: flat earthers had been ridiculed.
Speaker 4: For for ages.
Speaker 6: I mean I remember a bugs Bunny cartoon. It was
Speaker 6: a Christopher Columbus and bugs Bunny arguing that's Earth.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's right.
Speaker 6: Do you remember that one?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll want to note that. Dan, I got to
Speaker 4: put that on the channel.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's a good one. And interestingly, George, I
Speaker 6: remember on I want to say it was Nova back
Speaker 6: in the eighties. I used to love watching, especially Carl
Speaker 6: Sagan Man.
Speaker 4: He to take me off on a journey right on PBS.
Speaker 6: But they had a guy, and I remember this vividly.
Speaker 6: He was like, they interviewed a guy who was a
Speaker 6: flat earther. Back then, it was just a little blip
Speaker 6: on one of those Nova shows. And and I never forget,
Speaker 6: I never forgot that. I said, No, this guy's kind
Speaker 6: of weird.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 5: Oh, if i'd heard that it is, this guy is
Speaker 5: a whack chap, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what.
Speaker 5: Do you think the Christopher uh, while we're here, do
Speaker 5: you think the Christopher Columbus story is even real? Or
Speaker 5: do you think that's another fairy tale that they pushed
Speaker 5: to make us believe that the world is round?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's it. I know, I tend to believe it's fake,
Speaker 6: but I've I've because so many other things they're going
Speaker 6: to have been proven to be false, So I'm going
Speaker 6: to remain open.
Speaker 3: On that one.
Speaker 6: Likewise, he may have been a sailor and and maybe
Speaker 6: he did reach the uh, you know, the North American
Speaker 6: continent and then you know, maybe maybe never returned or something,
Speaker 6: and they just made a narrative about him. Who knows.
Speaker 6: It's you know, it's probably almost impossible to find the
Speaker 6: truth on some of this stuff.
Speaker 4: A lot it's really hard to discern what is true
Speaker 4: and what is not.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and what I you know, and what's interesting when
Speaker 6: I do. I'm currently when I watch some videos now
Speaker 6: I'm listening to a lot of stuff that Dustin Nemos
Speaker 6: puts out. I call it. I call him kind of
Speaker 6: a heavy hitter on stuff. He doesn't seem to pull
Speaker 6: but pull any punches, and but he ties together a
Speaker 6: lot of uh like evolutionary stuff, like these cone headed
Speaker 6: skulls that they're finding, tying them back into the nephalone.
Speaker 6: The giants, of course, all lay down the Bible all right,
Speaker 6: in Genesis and a lot of other things. And then
Speaker 6: you know, and I don't want to I gotta be
Speaker 6: careful with the subject here, that line, that blood line
Speaker 6: is still around.
Speaker 4: I think most people tend to agree.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Do you think they're the world leaders, They're they're the
Speaker 4: elite class.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, So I mean the Bible, or God in
Speaker 6: the Bible specifically, is very adamant get rid of all
Speaker 6: these genetic mutants.
Speaker 4: Well that's what the original flood was. I mean it
Speaker 4: was part of it was the DNA and the mixing
Speaker 4: of Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 6: And then I think one of the good points that
Speaker 6: he Dustin had brought up in one of his videos,
Speaker 6: and I don't know if it was his video, but
Speaker 6: I want to get the hosted like Neanderthal man, you know,
Speaker 6: the big thick boned you know, it kind of looks
Speaker 6: like a man. But you know, he said, well, some
Speaker 6: people are tying it into like, you know, pre flood these.
Speaker 6: You know, the humans were living eight nine hundred years old,
Speaker 6: so as you would age several hundred years, your bone
Speaker 6: structure will get more dense, more robust, you'd get taller
Speaker 6: probably and the year. You know, that's just the way
Speaker 6: you work, and what we're finding is probably just remnants
Speaker 6: of a pre flood man.
Speaker 4: That's interesting. Always.
Speaker 5: What I really found interesting was Adam, who was the
Speaker 5: original son of God, that was the first man that
Speaker 5: God created. He lived to be nine hundred and thirty
Speaker 5: years old, right, that's when he died. How far is
Speaker 5: the sun away from us? Do they tell us ninety three?
Speaker 5: The ninety three?
Speaker 6: Never ever put that two together.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the mockery.
Speaker 5: It's the sun is ninety three million and God's son
Speaker 5: lived to be nine hundred and thirty.
Speaker 6: Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: In fact, yeah, all these these are not coincidences. All
Speaker 6: these numbers that you know, you brought them up a
Speaker 6: nuverrous podcasts. In fact, you just brought one up this
Speaker 6: last podcast and the number of people on some board
Speaker 6: was thirty three yep, I just like I knew it.
Speaker 6: I thought. In fact, my wife was passively listening. She goes, oh, wait,
Speaker 6: let me guess, let me guess sixty second. I said, well,
Speaker 6: it's either that this or that you know, sixty six
Speaker 6: nine or eleven?
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: On the on the last interview I actually did last night,
Speaker 5: we were talking about sheol and there's yeah, there's a
Speaker 5: few niche articles out there that people think that is
Speaker 5: actually fluid from gas or petroleum or you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. Oil, I should say oil is actually shiol
Speaker 5: from the underworld, right from hell. And if do you
Speaker 5: know how many times the word shiole is in the Bible?
Speaker 4: Sixty six? I don't sixty six times?
Speaker 6: Sixty six times? Isn't that something? How does this stuff happen?
Speaker 6: It's not to get off topic. It kind of falls
Speaker 6: in line with this. I've got a link to a video.
Speaker 6: Somebody did a video here recently about the recurring number
Speaker 6: of seven hundred and seventy seven or seven seven seven
Speaker 6: seven in the Bible. Did you ever see that one?
Speaker 4: I've seen the one forty four connection. I'm not sure
Speaker 4: if I've seen the triple seven.
Speaker 6: Let's all write that down and we all send that
Speaker 6: to you. That's fascinating because and it's only with the
Speaker 6: King James, I think, so I just tried to do
Speaker 6: the seven seven seven video.
Speaker 5: But anyway, people say that's threefold perfection, the Holy Trinity,
Speaker 5: Father Son, Holy Spirit, because the number seven is frequently
Speaker 5: linked to divine completion, if you will, Okay, seven days
Speaker 5: of the week, seven days he on the seventh day,
Speaker 5: he rested, those type of things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, seven days of creation. We're so where we go.
Speaker 6: So anyway, I think where I left off was so
Speaker 6: once I discovered the firmament and all this, that was
Speaker 6: all this is real.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 6: I've just been hitting the Bible heavy and just reading it,
Speaker 6: reading it, reading it and re listening to a lot
Speaker 6: of podcasts and videos and stuff. And now you get
Speaker 6: more and more out of them when you get a
Speaker 6: bigger piece of the picture, because everybody has a bit
Speaker 6: of it, but nobody has the entire thing. And I
Speaker 6: think collectively as a US, as a community, we're gonna
Speaker 6: we're gonna break this barrier.
Speaker 5: M Yeah, We're gonna break the glass ceiling, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: We're gonna break the Hillary coin.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're making progress. We really are.
Speaker 5: And what's really inspiring me is to see more and
Speaker 5: more people have the courage to speak about it with
Speaker 5: their friends and family. The two things that we should
Speaker 5: be passionate about. Number one, obviously, is the Gospel of
Speaker 5: Jesus Christ, and number two, flat earth is important because,
Speaker 5: as we've said a million times on this podcast, while
Speaker 5: it's not directly a salvation issue, it has led many
Speaker 5: people to salvation.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, and uh for me, you know when you
Speaker 6: would I heard you say that a few times and
Speaker 6: it and it happened to me. I'm one of them,
Speaker 6: you know. The flat earth led me to salvation. Absolutely.
Speaker 6: I mean I and I had a divine experience. I'm
Speaker 6: not going to go over it here, but if you
Speaker 6: want to hear about it, it's on the podcast with
Speaker 6: Cliff that it was nothing but the divine interacting with me.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, how's Cliff doing I haven't I need to reach
Speaker 4: out to him.
Speaker 6: Yeah. So, but there's so many things I got I've
Speaker 6: got written down here I wanted to talk to you about. First,
Speaker 6: we're talking about other podcasters. Now, are you familiar with
Speaker 6: a podcast? Are called probably Alexandra?
Speaker 4: Is it a podcast or a YouTube channel?
Speaker 6: Well, I'm sorry YouTube, and you probably Alexandra.
Speaker 5: I'll have to look so so many times I've subscribed,
Speaker 5: but I don't get the I'm not sure if i've
Speaker 5: heard that one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, check her out. I'll write it down to and
Speaker 6: I'll say you some stuff. I mean, I'll just send
Speaker 6: you the name. And but I think you would enjoy
Speaker 6: her because she's very she really digs into the scripture.
Speaker 6: She'll tie it in the flat earth, she'll tie it
Speaker 6: into the recent political situations. And she's very well spoken.
Speaker 6: She's be very well researched. And then the other is.
Speaker 4: Give me a moment, just ye, take your time.
Speaker 5: I did find probably Alexander, and I put her link
Speaker 5: in the show notes for people to check out.
Speaker 6: That's right, Okay, it's called Eyes on the Right podcast,
Speaker 6: same kind of format, but this girl will she seems
Speaker 6: to delve into a lot of the brainwashing stuff that
Speaker 6: the you know, the CIA allegedly has been doing with
Speaker 6: scripture backing. Eyes on the Right is what that was called.
Speaker 6: And I enjoy listened to her.
Speaker 4: Got it? I found that.
Speaker 6: I think I think you would enjoy listening to that
Speaker 6: because she's again very knowledgeable.
Speaker 4: Oh, Amy, Yeah, I've heard of this podcast. Absolutely, I
Speaker 4: have yep.
Speaker 6: Yep, Okay, So I get a lot of stuff out
Speaker 6: of her. So is there anything you want to ask me,
Speaker 6: George or I had just come up with some other
Speaker 6: I got some other things here.
Speaker 5: Just before we get any further ahead, And I don't
Speaker 5: mean to delve off the road of flat Earth, but
Speaker 5: this question is important to me, and I want to
Speaker 5: get to it before I forget. You were you were
Speaker 5: in the military for twenty years at least, because you're retired.
Speaker 5: So when you found out the truth, my.
Speaker 6: Brother retired. I didn't retire.
Speaker 5: Oh I'm sorry, okay, but you were in the military,
Speaker 5: your brother was military. When you found out the truth
Speaker 5: to nine to eleven, how did it affect you?
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 6: It was one of those things that you're you're angry
Speaker 6: about because it was the same thing all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: instantly I hated the people from the Middle East, Okay,
Speaker 6: I mean literally it was that day and next thing,
Speaker 6: you know, we're calling them, you know, towelheads and all
Speaker 6: these real you know, this bad stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And I never even had any interactions with anybody from
Speaker 6: the Middle East. You know, I was good and so,
Speaker 6: but through the media I had to hate them because
Speaker 6: they told me to and they were the ones who
Speaker 6: attacked our country. And come to find out, no, it
Speaker 6: was an inside job. So yeah, it's it's But again,
Speaker 6: when I found that out, I was still in the
Speaker 6: mindset just a few bad apples and the government doing this.
Speaker 6: It wasn't this whole collective unit. But as you get
Speaker 6: in more and more into this the truth seeking, you
Speaker 6: find out that the corporations, the secret societies, the banks,
Speaker 6: in conjunction with the governments, the shadow governments, is what
Speaker 6: it is, right, because there's a lot of people in government,
Speaker 6: I believe, you know, our local representations and stuff that
Speaker 6: are you know, trying to do good.
Speaker 5: Sure, but they don't know, right. Not everybody in NASA
Speaker 5: is in on it. Not everybody in the military knows
Speaker 5: what's really going on.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 6: It's in the military and NASA. There's brilliant minds there.
Speaker 6: There's compassionate people working there. So you know, I'm not
Speaker 6: judging those people at all.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, but that speaks slumps to the
Speaker 5: fact that we need to wake people up so they
Speaker 5: are cognizant of what's going on.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you know, back to your question, you know,
Speaker 6: you know, I want to look at our military as
Speaker 6: a as a peacekeeping force, you know, to keep the peace,
Speaker 6: to keep you know, our were, our our the values
Speaker 6: that our country is supposed to be. You know, you
Speaker 6: know in God we trust and I'm talking to Christian God.
Speaker 6: You know, we're supposed to, as I understood it were
Speaker 6: this nasue was founded under our Christian God. You know
Speaker 6: that we're supposed to be living behind His principalities. And
Speaker 6: it's not it's everything, but this country's a war machine
Speaker 6: and all the other first rate first world nations, and
Speaker 6: it's disappointing. It is absolutely disappointing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting when somebody pointed out the Treaty of
Speaker 5: Tripoli to me. You know, we were officially founded in
Speaker 5: what seventeen eighty nine, and the just eight years later.
Speaker 5: If you look at Article eleven of the Treaty of
Speaker 5: Tripoli in seventeen ninety seven, it declares that the United
Speaker 5: States government is not founded on the Christian religion and
Speaker 5: has no animosity towards the laws, religion, or tranquility of paslms.
Speaker 6: Did you have to just bring that up on a podcast.
Speaker 4: Within the last month or two, I believe, Yeah, Yeah, yes.
Speaker 6: That because it sounds very familiar, know something I didn't.
Speaker 4: Know yet me either, Jill, So thank you on that, Suir.
Speaker 6: And I also heard in one of my podcasts that
Speaker 6: there was something signed back in the fifteen hundreds that actually,
Speaker 6: according to this document, that the Vatican actually owns the
Speaker 6: United States, and I I saved a link to that video,
Speaker 6: and I don't know which one it is I got.
Speaker 6: I got just a repository of links.
Speaker 4: Yeah, me too. I'm so unorganized. I have so many links.
Speaker 4: But it's really hard.
Speaker 6: I mean, anything that's good, I say, but just in case.
Speaker 4: To catalog them. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Mean, and the way that the research around this, he said,
Speaker 6: you know, and as far as I can tell, there
Speaker 6: was no other treaty that broke this treaty, so apparently
Speaker 6: the Vatican possibly owns this country.
Speaker 4: So yeah, there's many articles.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 5: James Keinley wrote an article a while ago, just a
Speaker 5: year ago, talking about how that it is true that
Speaker 5: the Vatican owns at least a portion of Washington, d C.
Speaker 5: If you do a little bit of research, you will
Speaker 5: also find out that the Vatican owns upwards of fifty
Speaker 5: percent of the land in Israel.
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, and that's some yep. I wonder if there's
Speaker 4: part of the push for like kryslam as they're coining.
Speaker 5: It well, as I mentioned yesterday on another interview. Then
Speaker 5: if you think about it, the World Council of Churches
Speaker 5: and the Vatican control ninety nine percent of Christianity.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, they do, that's right. The Vatican alone, it's
Speaker 6: one point two or one point three billion.
Speaker 4: People, yep.
Speaker 5: And then the World Council on Church is six hundred
Speaker 5: million or something like that, which covers you know, the Baptist,
Speaker 5: the Presbyterians, the Methodist, and you know, outside of that
Speaker 5: just your few non denominational churches. So, uh, they're not
Speaker 5: very far off from this one world religion. They're not
Speaker 5: too far away at all.
Speaker 4: They will see me in it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that leads me to my next question to you,
Speaker 5: And have you been able to look or find a
Speaker 5: local church or have you just been kind of worshiping
Speaker 5: on your own.
Speaker 6: It's just on my own right now. I would like to,
Speaker 6: but I think I'm going to have I'm gonna want
Speaker 6: to open my mouth and and I don't like you
Speaker 6: said like you've always said, and it resonates with me,
Speaker 6: it's not a salvation issue. The whole flat earth thing.
Speaker 6: I want to convey it, but I know if I
Speaker 6: go to these churches, it's mostly going to be people
Speaker 6: in their sixties, seventies, probably born likely yes, sir okay,
Speaker 6: And there's no changing on their there Walter Cronkite generation.
Speaker 6: And even like with members of my family, I don't
Speaker 6: even dare bring it up because you know, ones retired military,
Speaker 6: he's he still works with the military right now. There's
Speaker 6: there's no point now if he brings it up. Some
Speaker 6: day I'll talk to him, but you know, I'm not
Speaker 6: gonna it's once in a while I'll sudden some videos
Speaker 6: that are more government or you know, a corruption of
Speaker 6: the government that would maybe lead him to it, but
Speaker 6: he hasn't really bitten on anything yet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's for me.
Speaker 5: It's really hard for people not to see it, especially
Speaker 5: when you look at from the mid eighties to today,
Speaker 5: all of the corruption and people not demanding accountability for
Speaker 5: everything that has happened. The fact that Janet Reno was
Speaker 5: able to serve eight years of return and then just
Speaker 5: walk away for the crime she committed, the cover up
Speaker 5: of Oklahoma City, what happened and just.
Speaker 4: Wake a alone.
Speaker 6: We got all about that too.
Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, gracious, twa eight hundred, like you mentioned,
Speaker 5: that's that's a very important piece of history that people need.
Speaker 5: They had over three hundred, three hundred, and I'm pretty
Speaker 5: sure that was the number with this testimony that said
Speaker 5: they saw missiles hit this airliner, and they did not
Speaker 5: include one of those interviewees in their report.
Speaker 6: And you think about the immense power that the the
Speaker 6: controllers have to silence three hundred people like that.
Speaker 2: And just.
Speaker 6: If you can't see that, and you are, you're blind,
Speaker 6: I mean, and you know, if you want to find
Speaker 6: the truth, you've gotta you've got to let go of
Speaker 6: you all your preconceived uh preconceived notions and all of
Speaker 6: your previous teachings. You got to open yourself up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to.
Speaker 6: Oh, my dad and my mom a few months ago,
Speaker 6: and I didn't. I tried to give you that. At
Speaker 6: one point I tried getting my getting my dad to
Speaker 6: watch a flat earth thing and he just dismissed it
Speaker 6: right away. I said, Okay, it kind of turned into
Speaker 6: an argument, and I said, well, it's not worth it. No,
Speaker 6: it's not the Next time I had a visit with him.
Speaker 6: I just told him, we're watching something on the news
Speaker 6: and and I said, I don't believe any of this stuff.
Speaker 6: And I told them, I said, no, there is absolutely
Speaker 6: nothing on this news that I believe. And I said,
Speaker 6: everything that I've learned since kindergarten is on the table
Speaker 6: for reevaluation. Everything, And I said, I'm not leaving anything out.
Speaker 6: And I just left it at that, and I you know,
Speaker 6: that's what it is, you know, you know that's it's
Speaker 6: breaking out of that Matrix and that that's another pivotal
Speaker 6: movie I had. My dad watched The Matrix hoping that
Speaker 6: would trigger something.
Speaker 4: Nothing, you went.
Speaker 5: I tell people in this order, watch They Live, then
Speaker 5: The Matrix, and then The Truman Show.
Speaker 4: Those three are awesome movie. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I had to watch The Matrix old.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: The first time I watched it, it was a cool movie,
Speaker 6: but didn't mean anything. Really watched it. A couple probably
Speaker 6: watched it four or five times, and I get a
Speaker 6: little bit more out of it, even to the point
Speaker 6: where there's the numbers next to the elevator. You know,
Speaker 6: you you read the numbers and it works out to
Speaker 6: it like a nine to eleven or something yep for
Speaker 6: six sixty six or something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well his his the character was what was his name,
Speaker 5: Neo or something like that. What's that that the main
Speaker 5: character's name was Neo or something like, you.
Speaker 6: Know, Neo Trinity, and oh it was the other fella's name.
Speaker 6: I can't remember the three main but you know it's
Speaker 6: but all those you know, those three main characters, there's something.
Speaker 6: There's people who tear that movie apart. It kind of
Speaker 6: all goes into the spiritual aspect of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, do you remember Neo's driver's license expired on September eleventh,
Speaker 5: two thousand and one.
Speaker 6: No, I did not.
Speaker 4: I did not, Yes, sir, I.
Speaker 6: Have to look to look at it must be one
Speaker 6: of the little uh when they a little scene there.
Speaker 4: Yeap. I have a show notes so people can check
Speaker 4: it out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, jeez, Yeah, there's that. That movie's packed with
Speaker 6: so many things.
Speaker 5: But the one thing that hits that the nail on
Speaker 5: the head with is you can either live a comfortable
Speaker 5: life in a world of lies or you can find
Speaker 5: out the truth. But you have to understand that you're
Speaker 5: going to have to deal with the understanding that there's
Speaker 5: a lot of evil people.
Speaker 4: We live among.
Speaker 6: That's right, that's just what more Maurice, no Morris, what
Speaker 6: was it the other guy's named Maury? Oh gosh, I
Speaker 6: just but anyway, he was telling Neil, you know, you
Speaker 6: take the blue pill or the red pill, and he said,
Speaker 6: and it's a profound statement. I'm only going to tell
Speaker 6: you the truth. You're still gonna be in the matrix,
Speaker 6: and you basically can't get out of it. And and
Speaker 6: I've been trying to look in the ways of getting
Speaker 6: out of this so called matrix. You know, I found
Speaker 6: out what this whole the birth certificate rabbit hole. Yeah, uh,
Speaker 6: the UC see all of the all of these little
Speaker 6: trust accounts that are created along the way, so you're
Speaker 6: you know, you're you're running around as a trust account.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 6: So that's another hold. You could probably do a dozen
Speaker 6: episodes on that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It's said that your birth certificate is traded on the
Speaker 5: market and you're worth anywhere between two and three hundred
Speaker 5: thousand dollars or something like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I've been trying to find find my
Speaker 6: social Security number on the on the markets. I haven't
Speaker 6: found it yet. I gotta so I'm still working on
Speaker 6: that one. I know some people have yep.
Speaker 5: I saw a guy by tires online using his trust account.
Speaker 5: It was amazing how he went down and found it.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he tracked it down and he used his
Speaker 5: code as he checked out on Amazon and it worked.
Speaker 4: I was like, you got to be kidding me.
Speaker 5: And again, I guess everything can be manipulated, but it
Speaker 5: was pretty convincing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 4: Interesting.
Speaker 6: So there's a few things I wanted to just kind
Speaker 6: of throw out. There is just kind of bullet points
Speaker 6: for sure flat Earth stuff, let's do.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 6: Do you remember when they launched the Pluto New Horizons
Speaker 6: mission back in the early two thousands, All right, well,
Speaker 6: I I remember I followed that because I was very excited.
Speaker 6: I was still into NASA back then and and only
Speaker 6: to be led in disappointment. If people don't know this,
Speaker 6: when they launched that mission, they somebody did an artist
Speaker 6: rendition of what they thought Pluto was going to look like.
Speaker 6: They wun like, I don't know, nine or twelve years later,
Speaker 6: they finally make it to Pluto, and what picture do
Speaker 6: they show as the official picture of Pluto?
Speaker 5: George, It looked like Pluto's face the dog the cartoon
Speaker 5: that's right.
Speaker 6: And I never saw Pluto's face initially until somebody pointed
Speaker 6: it out to me. But they used the same thing. Oh,
Speaker 6: it's just just what a disappointment because and then what
Speaker 6: about the mission to what was it?
Speaker 4: I got it written here? The Rosetta Rosetta mission.
Speaker 5: That was the European Space Agency mission that achieved several
Speaker 5: first in comet exploration.
Speaker 6: Yes, okay, Now what's interesting about that is that thing
Speaker 6: that supposedly the slingshot orbits around Earth to gain the
Speaker 6: necessary velocity or trajectory to reach this comet. Three times
Speaker 6: it went around Earth, plus it went around Mars. How
Speaker 6: many photos you think we got of Earth going away
Speaker 6: from Earth or coming towards Earth? All these grand photos
Speaker 6: we should see, right, let me guess zero, getting closer,
Speaker 6: getting closer, getting closer. Do you think there's any out there? Nope, nothing,
Speaker 6: absolutely nothing. You'll see a computer image of a satellite
Speaker 6: with the Earth in front of it. But I don't
Speaker 6: know what took the picture of the satellite. You know,
Speaker 6: they don't never address that, right, you know, or whatever
Speaker 6: this you know, spacecraft thing. But yeah, that was you
Speaker 6: know that I learned, you know, I kind of crow
Speaker 6: Triple seven did an episode on that. One kind of
Speaker 6: enlightened me on that. You know, again, no no photos
Speaker 6: of anything, no photos of Earth.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Then the New Horizons was actually.
Speaker 5: I just wanted to mention that the the when you
Speaker 5: were mentioning the New Horizons that was actually engineered by
Speaker 5: John Hopkins University, which is a Jesuit university.
Speaker 6: No, of course you can't get away from him. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you cannot get away from it. And then you're familiar
Speaker 6: with Brian Mullen. You remember that, familiar that name.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember the name.
Speaker 6: Okay, So he did a really good series on the
Speaker 6: physics like I don't remember the actual name of it,
Speaker 6: but physics of select space travel, trying to disprove, like you,
Speaker 6: that the Earth is not flat and that you can
Speaker 6: travel in space. And he couldn't disprove it.
Speaker 4: And he and.
Speaker 6: It was like certain, you know, certain things like okay,
Speaker 6: if you fire a thruster in space, there's you know,
Speaker 6: of course, there's no there's no atmosphere for the thrust
Speaker 6: to push against. And if the Earth is spinning and
Speaker 6: you're going with the orbit of the Earth, okay, and
Speaker 6: like say you're an airplane, well if you're in momentum okay,
Speaker 6: spinning with the earth, you have to actually stop to
Speaker 6: make a left or right hand turn in a plane.
Speaker 6: So what makes your momentum stop from the momentum of
Speaker 6: the ear going with the earth as you're spinning. And
Speaker 6: he can't. He couldn't figure this out. And he'sn't actually
Speaker 6: a physics engineer or he's a mechanical engineer, so he
Speaker 6: knows all this stuff. So it's a real interesting series
Speaker 6: that he dives into it from a scientific point of view.
Speaker 4: It Does he have his own YouTube channel?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 6: He does, and I don't think it's up to date.
Speaker 6: I think this summ he did probably five to ten
Speaker 6: years ago. But you can find his stuff out there.
Speaker 4: Oh is he the guy I know you're talking? Was
Speaker 4: he a younger guy, maybe in his thirties?
Speaker 6: Yes, he was in his thirties.
Speaker 5: He stopped knowing it because his job threatened to fire him.
Speaker 5: Pardon his job threatened to fire him. He had That's
Speaker 5: why it's out of date. That's why he stopped doing videos. Oh,
Speaker 5: maybe that could be that's what happened. Somebody wrote an
Speaker 5: article and reached out to him. His name was Brian,
Speaker 5: What was his last name again.
Speaker 6: Mullin m U L E. N.
Speaker 4: I believe that's how he spell it. Yep.
Speaker 6: And the other thing he brought up was like heat transfers.
Speaker 6: So you're up in the exosphere where it's you know,
Speaker 6: like two thousand degrees or something. But you know, the
Speaker 6: scientists claim that, well, nothing will heat up because there's
Speaker 6: no air to conduct the heat, okay, because the air
Speaker 6: air particles are too far apart. But the problem is
Speaker 6: you've got a piece of You've got an object up
Speaker 6: there that's made of metal and plastics and whatever, ye
Speaker 6: which is dense. So that object in itself should be
Speaker 6: transmitting that heat, okay. And you couldn't see how that
Speaker 6: heat would not transfer into the space station or Skylab
Speaker 6: or whatever else is up there, or any satellite. You know,
Speaker 6: even though they say they have heat shields. You know,
Speaker 6: the heat itself is going to conduct heat through all
Speaker 6: the joints and the rivets and everything else. I mean,
Speaker 6: it's a solid object up there, it's got to conduct heat,
Speaker 6: that's right, I mean, you know, And he gives a
Speaker 6: very long, you know, some really good explanations on this stuff.
Speaker 6: But yeah, just some stuff a lot out there for
Speaker 6: people to look into.
Speaker 4: Yeah, great stuff.
Speaker 5: And by the way, he actually pulled most of his
Speaker 5: stuff and but people had saved it. It was actually,
Speaker 5: I think it was originally called balls Out Physics.
Speaker 6: That's it, yep, balls Out Physics.
Speaker 5: And from what I heard from reputable sources that again
Speaker 5: where he was working, threatened him that you choose between
Speaker 5: your YouTube channel and your job, and he said fine,
Speaker 5: and that it was It's been I think six or
Speaker 5: seven years since he's posted anything.
Speaker 6: Wow, but that's crazy.
Speaker 4: People downloaded and have reposted.
Speaker 5: And I have the eleven video series Okay on It
Speaker 5: talks about everything from planes flying on a spinning ball
Speaker 5: to the North Pole, all kinds of great stuff.
Speaker 6: Yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 4: Definitely check it.
Speaker 6: But you could finally listen listen to him. He's a
Speaker 6: he's a good one.
Speaker 4: Yep. It's in the show notes. People can watch it.
Speaker 6: And then the ISS. This is an interesting one.
Speaker 4: Yes it is.
Speaker 6: There's I almost hate to mention this because they'll probably
Speaker 6: pull it down NASA, but apparently the ISS changes altitude
Speaker 6: by like I don't remember the numbers, but you can
Speaker 6: down you can watch go to this website. It's a
Speaker 6: government website, I think it's I don't know if it's
Speaker 6: a dot god, but but the ISS changes to altitude
Speaker 6: on daily basis by like forty to sixty kilometers. It
Speaker 6: does the sine wave type movement. Okay, and if you watch,
Speaker 6: you know and what it does. It gets It's just
Speaker 6: a positioning. Website has the position of it and the altitude,
Speaker 6: and just watch that altitude. It goes up, just a
Speaker 6: sign way all. And I was watching. I kept my
Speaker 6: phone open for my computer, I should say my phone
Speaker 6: computer on this website. I kept checking the altitude. I'd
Speaker 6: find a low point, then I'd find a high point.
Speaker 6: It is definitely a sign wave. So I'm thinking to myself, well,
Speaker 6: how in the heck are they doing that? And why
Speaker 6: would they do that? In fact, they're up there.
Speaker 5: You know what The official answer is. So they say
Speaker 5: the ISS loses altitude over time due to atmospheric drag.
Speaker 4: Now listen to this.
Speaker 5: While the exact amount varies, the is IS typically loses
Speaker 5: three hundred and thirty three I'm sorry sorry, three hundred
Speaker 5: and thirty feet per day about two.
Speaker 4: So there's your thirty three.
Speaker 6: Yep, third is Oh my gosh, So that's it. Three
Speaker 6: hundred thirty feet per day.
Speaker 7: Ye.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's about one hundred meters.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 4: Interesting.
Speaker 6: Well that brings me into Robert Bassano.
Speaker 4: You ever hear of him, Yes, sir, he's another guy
Speaker 4: who has a big YouTube.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so he was. He's the guy he talked to
Speaker 6: the deputy director of NASA talking about Hubble and ask
Speaker 6: him all these questions about, well, how does Hubble may
Speaker 6: how is Hubble like maintained its orbit when it has
Speaker 6: so much atmospheric drag and there's no thrusters out to
Speaker 6: keep it back up in the position. And then he
Speaker 6: backed this guy right into a corner and he didn't
Speaker 6: know what to do, Soude and he was and he
Speaker 6: pulled up some other stuff about the Sondra space Sondra telescope,
Speaker 6: which he thinks is Hubble or is a replacement for
Speaker 6: Hubble that's being used out of the back of the
Speaker 6: seven forty seven. So there's a lot of controversy controversy
Speaker 6: on on that whole topic. And again, you know, you'll
Speaker 6: never see any images of Hubble or you never see
Speaker 6: any images of Earth from Hubble, and which is kind
Speaker 6: of strange to me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's also people out there who believe that it's
Speaker 5: part of the U two. Or is that the plane
Speaker 5: that flies at seventy thousand feet the U two.
Speaker 6: Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well.
Speaker 6: Not the SR seventy one or the the This is
Speaker 6: just a seven forty seven. It has a big old
Speaker 6: telescope in the back, flies of maybe forty five thousand feet.
Speaker 5: Forty five thousand, Okay, because I know a lot of
Speaker 5: people think that, maybe I'm confusing at what people think
Speaker 5: the ISS is.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's that's what it is, Okay.
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, all this technology and all these whether
Speaker 5: it's the Rosetta Stone or the New Horizons or all
Speaker 5: of these things, we just don't have the imagery simple
Speaker 5: things like taking a picture of Earth from space, as
Speaker 5: they say, just simple things that could simple things quell us.
Speaker 6: They're gonna maybe they're gonna hear it from us here enough,
Speaker 6: and they'll probably try showing us something and then it'll
Speaker 6: get debunked.
Speaker 4: I'm still waiting for the artists, the artemist mission to
Speaker 4: go back to the Moon.
Speaker 6: That's right, me too. They can't do it now. There
Speaker 6: the heat The last I heard, the heat shield wasn't
Speaker 6: working properly.
Speaker 4: That darn heat shield that I you heard that about
Speaker 4: a month a.
Speaker 6: Month or two ago. Whenever they scrubbed it again, I said, well,
Speaker 6: don't they just use the one from Apollo That won't
Speaker 6: seem to work.
Speaker 4: Fine, we lost that technology. They didn't have any issues.
Speaker 4: We lost that technology, right, That's that's what that astronaut said.
Speaker 6: They threw it away. So you had a fella interview
Speaker 6: I think was the first part of March, and you
Speaker 6: guys were talking about land masses, you know, maybe some
Speaker 6: hidden masses maybe out in the Pacific somewhere.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 6: And on that movie from the nineties days has been confused. Yeah,
Speaker 6: do you remember the scene where there's a girl is
Speaker 6: spinning the globe and there's like one or two frames
Speaker 6: okay that which that show another mysterious land mass on
Speaker 6: a globe on the Pacific would have been west of Australia.
Speaker 6: So if nobody has seen that, find that movie and
Speaker 6: find the scene where the girl is sitting in the
Speaker 6: classroom spinning the globe. You just got to keep pausing
Speaker 6: it and you'll see there's a mysterious land mass next
Speaker 6: to Australia.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I have the the video and it's entitled The Mandela Effect.
Speaker 5: The Australian continent on a on the globe. There there's
Speaker 5: something to the left if I remember the west of Australia,
Speaker 5: like a land mass, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, it's just I thought that
Speaker 6: was interesting that, you know, somebody pointed that out and
Speaker 6: then talk you were talking about the land masks with someone.
Speaker 6: So and you know, when people, you know, when people
Speaker 6: create these movies, you have to look at it as
Speaker 6: a as an artist canvas. You know, all of these
Speaker 6: props and the words that are put in music for
Speaker 6: that music, but all the words, the lines and stuff
Speaker 6: they put into movies, they're all there by design and
Speaker 6: nothing is at random. Right, So if they put something
Speaker 6: on the on the globe, it was put there for
Speaker 6: a purpose. What that purpose is I don't I don't
Speaker 6: know what it is, but it's there. So But anyway,
Speaker 6: i've kind of you got anything else I want to ask?
Speaker 5: Or No, I think we've covered most unless there was
Speaker 5: something else, any other bullet points that you wanted to mention.
Speaker 6: There's a little biblical thing I wanted to run by
Speaker 6: you just to see where your two cents are on it.
Speaker 4: Let's do it.
Speaker 6: Okay, Now I'm going to be read. This is just
Speaker 6: a little short passage out of the This is the
Speaker 6: ESV Bible, the King James. In some cases I don't
Speaker 6: quite understand the language, so I like to have different versions.
Speaker 6: But what it is, it's about authority, okay, and it's
Speaker 6: in Romans. It's a Romans thirteen one and two, I believe, Okay.
Speaker 6: So it said let every person be subject to the
Speaker 6: governing authorities, for there is no authority except for God,
Speaker 6: and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore,
Speaker 6: whoever resists the authorities resist what God has appointed, and
Speaker 6: those who resist will encourage judgment. I struggle with that
Speaker 6: statement for that verse. You know, are you familiar with that?
Speaker 4: Yes? Absolutely.
Speaker 5: And actually one of my favorite pastors, Chuck Baldwin out
Speaker 5: of Montana, tackles this issue, and if I could find
Speaker 5: it really quick, I would play it for you because
Speaker 5: he really hits a home run. Because listen, God isn't
Speaker 5: talking about the United States federal government, and that what
Speaker 5: has to be realized is that as long as a
Speaker 5: government where you're governing authorities, if their laws parallel the
Speaker 5: law of God, you should subject yourself to them. However,
Speaker 5: if man's laws across God's laws.
Speaker 4: We have no business that.
Speaker 5: There are a lot of people that in the pulpit
Speaker 5: that will just read Romans thirteen one and two and
Speaker 5: say it's you have to God has telling you to
Speaker 5: subject yourself to the government, So go get your job,
Speaker 5: now your taxes, do this, and do that, and nothing,
Speaker 5: and I mean nothing could be further from the truth.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 6: Yeah. So that's what I want to hear from another person,
Speaker 6: because so I'll look into it a little deeper. But
Speaker 6: that makes a lot of sense, you know, because you
Speaker 6: know I go back to like the Biden years. You know,
Speaker 6: I would struggle even more with that statement. And then
Speaker 6: how about let's let's look at one Chronicles one nineteen.
Speaker 6: Let's see where is it here he mentioned about and
Speaker 6: the earth was divided, and another Bible says, I think
Speaker 6: my nasb will say something about a big river. But
Speaker 6: the King James version says the earth was divided. Now,
Speaker 6: I wonder what does that mean to you.
Speaker 4: I'm just curious, what's the First Chronicles? What was the chapter? Verse?
Speaker 6: First First Chronicles Chapter one, verse nineteen.
Speaker 5: Verse nineteen Why mine says the two sons were born
Speaker 5: to Eber. One was named Poleg because in the time
Speaker 5: the earth was okay, because in his time the earth
Speaker 5: was divided.
Speaker 4: His brother was named Junctain.
Speaker 6: I'm just curious, all I'd like to know more about
Speaker 6: that little verse. You know what that might tie into.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this talks about the Semites, and it's talking about
Speaker 5: the bloodlines, the son of Shem and the sons of Aram.
Speaker 5: And then it talks about because in the yeah, and
Speaker 5: his earth was divided. I'd have to go back and
Speaker 5: truly study that.
Speaker 4: That go back and I think read not just.
Speaker 5: Because yeah, the whole Chronicles talks about from beginning verse one,
Speaker 5: it's all about the bloodlines from Adam, Seth and Enosh,
Speaker 5: and it talks about all the Hemites, the Semites, b Japethites,
Speaker 5: et cetera.
Speaker 6: But that maybe it's just it's just those I'm gonna
Speaker 6: call it the bad blood line and the good blood line.
Speaker 4: It very well could be. It very well could be.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So and then now, is it to your understanding biblically
Speaker 6: that God created Satan. He's the fallen a fallen son
Speaker 6: or a fallen angel.
Speaker 4: Right, and he took a third of the angels with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And then so I look at Genesis and this would
Speaker 6: confirm that, I think. But Genesis won okay, verses twenty
Speaker 6: four and twenty five, And and the reason I bring
Speaker 6: this up because it said, you know, and God said,
Speaker 6: let the earth bring forth a living creature after his
Speaker 6: kind cattle and the creeping thing and beast singular and
Speaker 6: the singular form of the earth. And we know Satan
Speaker 6: is the prince of the earth. But then another Bible,
Speaker 6: like another, maybe a newer translation, will we'll call that
Speaker 6: the beast just as just the animals or something. But
Speaker 6: I don't know the way it's.
Speaker 4: Worded to me.
Speaker 6: And God and the next verse twenty five and God
Speaker 6: made the beast of the earth, and.
Speaker 5: Against right, that's exactly what's going to point out. It's interesting.
Speaker 5: He didn't but he said the creeping that's interesting. He
Speaker 5: says cattle, creeping thing singular and beast and KGV.
Speaker 4: Let's go n IV and see what it says.
Speaker 6: And I'm looking at ESV right now too. Let's see it.
Speaker 5: So it says, let the land producing living creatures according
Speaker 5: to their kinds, the livestock, the creatures plural that move
Speaker 5: along the ground, and the wild animals. So it goes
Speaker 5: from beast singular to wild animals plural plural exactly.
Speaker 6: That's what my ESV does plural. And then twenty five
Speaker 6: and God made the beasts plural of the earth yep.
Speaker 5: And NIV says God made the wild animals plural yep.
Speaker 5: And that's again the one thing you have to be
Speaker 5: careful of. Every time you translate something, it can lose translation.
Speaker 5: I have somewhere here on my computer, I have a
Speaker 5: whole list.
Speaker 4: Here it is. I found it quickly today. Wow, that's
Speaker 4: amazing that lists. It's loading now.
Speaker 5: So the King James version, all of these verses are
Speaker 5: not included in the NIV, the NISV, RSV, those Bibles.
Speaker 5: Matthew seventeen twenty one is not in those Bibles, Matthew
Speaker 5: eighteen eleven, not in the NIV, Mark seven sixteen. There's,
Speaker 5: off the top of my heads, probably twenty verses that
Speaker 5: were taken out of the NIV that are not in
Speaker 5: the KG that are in the King James version.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there already King James.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 6: I notice that that like Bible that I have, that
Speaker 6: there's a whole big chunks taken right ot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, So your point being is with those verses
Speaker 5: in the King James version. Do you think it's referring
Speaker 5: to Satan?
Speaker 6: I think so, but I don't know, you know, I mean,
Speaker 6: I mean, he says he made you know, how'd they
Speaker 6: read again because he brought both every living creature. Okay,
Speaker 6: that kind of covers all the animals, right, And then
Speaker 6: he says the beast, and I think we can easily
Speaker 6: just read over this stuff, and that really you have
Speaker 6: to read it word for word.
Speaker 4: You do, you really do? And I mean you let.
Speaker 6: Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind.
Speaker 4: That's an interesting.
Speaker 5: And before flat Earth, I didn't read the Bible like this. Now,
Speaker 5: when I see something I investigate, I pull out my
Speaker 5: strongs cards. This is one of the things that made
Speaker 5: me read the Bible differently. By the way going back
Speaker 5: to the Earth was divided, I found a little bit
Speaker 5: of information. And I also find it interesting that Chronicles
Speaker 5: one nineteen is nine to eleven backwards.
Speaker 4: But yeah, interesting it says during the time of Peyleg
Speaker 4: that the Earth was divided.
Speaker 5: Traditionally, this is often assumed to be just before, during,
Speaker 5: or right after the failure of the Tower of Babel,
Speaker 5: whose construction was again traditionally attributed to Nimrod.
Speaker 9: M hm.
Speaker 6: We'll cut out there for a moment.
Speaker 5: So it's saying that the meaning of the earth being
Speaker 5: divided is usually taken to refer to a patriarchal division
Speaker 5: of the world, and it happened either right before, during,
Speaker 5: or after the failure of the Tower of Babel.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So mm hmm.
Speaker 6: And I you know some of the stuff we're going
Speaker 6: over now, I can I attribute this to other YouTubers
Speaker 6: and stuff having the courage and there and the uh,
Speaker 6: the will power to dig into this stuff. Indeed, you
Speaker 6: know branding Krall failiar with him? You're familiar with branding Krall?
Speaker 6: I am, Yes, he's uh. I get quite a bit
Speaker 6: of stuff out of him. Yeah, he he's actually is.
Speaker 6: It's taught me to read more critically.
Speaker 4: On this stuff. So and and and and as we should.
Speaker 4: So what else?
Speaker 8: What else?
Speaker 2: A guy?
Speaker 4: You're just.
Speaker 6: Uh, you just cut out there for a moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're good.
Speaker 5: And again, if I do find that that clip on
Speaker 5: romans from pastor Baldwin, I'll insert that in the show
Speaker 5: notes when I find it. And we are down to
Speaker 5: our last few moments, A few moments here, Uh, okay,
Speaker 5: So if you have any clothes notes or thoughts please,
Speaker 5: and that would be a great time to bring them up.
Speaker 7: Yep.
Speaker 6: So a couple a couple of things I want people
Speaker 6: to know. You know, there's a great video, short video
Speaker 6: out there somebody looking at mont Blanc and all this.
Speaker 6: Some of the Swiss helps from seven hundred miles away
Speaker 6: should be miles and miles below the horizon. So definitely, Uh,
Speaker 6: don't dismiss light refraction and all this stuff that NASA
Speaker 6: and some of the experts try to tell you, because
Speaker 6: something like that is way too obvious. Some of the
Speaker 6: key points for me, I know, you always ask for
Speaker 6: like onere of the six big things that prove flatter Earth,
Speaker 6: you know, the Bible that is a flat Earth book.
Speaker 6: But I don't think intentionally, it's.
Speaker 7: Just what it is.
Speaker 6: They just have, you know, that's what his creation is agreed,
Speaker 6: you know. Capuscular race. My wife and I will you know,
Speaker 6: we we see them now together, the NASA fraud. But
Speaker 6: I don't want to bash NASA too much because they
Speaker 6: didn't give us that great equation, uh you know, eight
Speaker 6: times a distance squared for US flat earthers.
Speaker 4: That's right. It didn't just promoun squared, right.
Speaker 6: That's right, you know, water always finds this level. And
Speaker 6: I do my own experiments. You know, when I do
Speaker 6: my own experiments, that's what's you know, I encourage everybody
Speaker 6: to do that, and I they run in line with
Speaker 6: everybody else's. One thing I got to do yet is
Speaker 6: measure the Moon's temperature. I haven't done that yet. And
Speaker 6: then just the gravity nonsense. You know, if it's so
Speaker 6: powerful to pull up tons and tons of water during
Speaker 6: a high tide, yet it won't move a grain of
Speaker 6: sand or or make me less heavy on the beach,
Speaker 6: that doesn't make any sense. I should be a little
Speaker 6: bit lighter if I'm in a high tide, right lifting
Speaker 6: up the water, Why does it lift me up?
Speaker 4: That's right, That's a great point. Great point.
Speaker 6: And then I want to find if there's anybody out
Speaker 6: there who could find a globe that says on the
Speaker 6: bottom for educational purposes, please email me. I haven't found
Speaker 6: one yet, have you, George?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 5: The one we saw one at the where we pick
Speaker 5: up our feed, they had they sell antiques and on
Speaker 5: the bottom it said, uh, for decoration or something like that, right,
Speaker 5: for for decorative purposes.
Speaker 6: They have them in every pool though I don't understand
Speaker 6: that but they're not for educational purposes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which goes to show the school system, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's a whole other topic. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, So, so
Speaker 4: that's about it.
Speaker 6: I think I got I think I covered both things.
Speaker 6: I'll send you a few links and then a few
Speaker 6: tidbits please, And I really appreciate the time and you
Speaker 6: you keep up the good work.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 6: You want to reach out again for any thing, I'd
Speaker 6: love to do another video with you if you'd like,
Speaker 6: you want to hit some other topics more.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, there's a ton to cover. And by the way,
Speaker 5: I will include Pastor Baldwins. It was actually a four
Speaker 5: part series because he gets okay frustrated on the true
Speaker 5: meaning of Romans thirteen.
Speaker 4: And I'll post that in the show notes as well.
Speaker 4: It's definitely worth your time.
Speaker 6: I'll check that out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll email you that link as soon as we're done. Here,
Speaker 4: says I was.
Speaker 6: Reading through Romans at time. I was like, Wow, there's
Speaker 6: a lot, a lot of stuff here I'm conflicted conflicted
Speaker 6: with Yeah, So all right.
Speaker 5: Well, thank you so much for your time, Michael. It's
Speaker 5: been an absolute pleasure. Thanks for bringing all this knowledge
Speaker 5: and the conversation and to all the listeners. Thank you
Speaker 5: so much for your continued support, and please stop by
Speaker 5: the new website say hello. And if you'd like to
Speaker 5: share your story like Michael did today, send us an email.
Speaker 5: It is fe filesguest at gmail dot com for Michael.
Speaker 5: I'm George. God bless you all. Have a wonderful week.
Speaker 5: And until we meet again, my friends, we will see it.
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