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Speaker 2: Luigi Mangioni on Twitter on x This is a master's
Speaker 2: and a bachelor's in computer science from Penn and his
Speaker 2: Twitter profile is just a mostly retweets of other people
Speaker 2: are reposting from other people's posts.
Speaker 1: Look how similar this mis Maryland State senator looks to him.
Speaker 3: Wow, Yeah, that's got to be a family member.
Speaker 4: That those are some strong, strong.
Speaker 3: Italian genes eyebrows.
Speaker 2: And one of the things that he talks about in
Speaker 2: some of these posts I thought was pretty interesting because
Speaker 2: he was talking about, for example, this would have been
Speaker 2: back in April, an ongoing discussion about the population of
Speaker 2: the native population of Japan and what's going wrong with it,
Speaker 2: and that Japanese Japanese politicians and culturalists were concerned that
Speaker 2: the Japanese culture was dying because native Japanese the population
Speaker 2: was falling. And he says the solution to falling birth
Speaker 2: rates isn't immigration, it's cultural. This is Luigi Maanngioni writing,
Speaker 2: and he was talking about the encouragement of natural human
Speaker 2: interaction whether it's sex, physical, fitness, spirituality, et cetera, that
Speaker 2: we needed to in Japan's case, in particular, do away
Speaker 2: with cultural substitutes for the physical human interaction that takes place.
Speaker 2: So do away with the porn shops, do away with
Speaker 2: the sex toys, do away with weird restaurants where guys
Speaker 2: pay girls to dress in anime costumes and dance for them,
Speaker 2: and actually encourage just simple old fashioned matchmaking conversations, relationships.
Speaker 1: That may be why he wanted to study AI. Yeah,
Speaker 1: talked about how he would he would frequently quote or
Speaker 1: retweet or what have you. Jonathan Heite, who was, of
Speaker 1: course the author of all of the books we've referenced
Speaker 1: several times about AI and human connection, the generation was
Speaker 1: the one that generation.
Speaker 2: There is also a question, obviously, if this was targeting
Speaker 2: a guy who is high up in the insurance industry.
Speaker 2: Was that person was Brian Thompson simply a symbol of
Speaker 2: the insurance industry or was it something specific to Brian Thompson,
Speaker 2: something specific to United Healthcare in I mean Trinia, something
Speaker 2: specific to United Healthcare, And a question would be did
Speaker 2: he Luigi Mangioni have some connection to United Healthcare was
Speaker 2: he denied care?
Speaker 4: Was his a family member denied care? Something like that.
Speaker 3: I don't know. If it was personal, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I mean, on his Twitter profile there are a few
Speaker 2: pictures and one of them is an X ray. It
Speaker 2: appears to be of a back with multiple screws in
Speaker 2: a spinal column repair or whatever, and there's no description
Speaker 2: of it or explanation as to who it is. But
Speaker 2: if that's him, and he's had ongoing back problems and
Speaker 2: may have been a member of United Healthcare insurance, then
Speaker 2: that would that at least gives us, you know, a potential.
Speaker 1: But he comes from money. Though people with money don't
Speaker 1: have insurance problems, do they?
Speaker 4: They don't.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, they could still have problems, but it
Speaker 2: wouldn't necessarily be as devastating as it would be if
Speaker 2: someone's going to end up in two hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars worth of medical debt.
Speaker 4: So I don't know. Again.
Speaker 2: This Luigi Manngioni is the twenty six year old who
Speaker 2: has been caught in Altuna, Pennsylvania. He has, according to Fox,
Speaker 2: been arrested on gun charges. They said that they did
Speaker 2: find him with a ghost gun capable of firing a
Speaker 2: nine millimeters round, But they have not yet said if
Speaker 2: that is the gun that they think he used for
Speaker 2: the murder or if this is just one he had.
Speaker 2: We do know that dive teams were in Central Park
Speaker 2: today still looking for a murder weapon as of this morning,
Speaker 2: whether or not it means that they have given up
Speaker 2: that search because they believe this is the weapon or not.
Speaker 2: But one of the things that they found, of course,
Speaker 2: was this handwritten manifesto, if you will, a two page
Speaker 2: note that reportedly rails against the healthcare industry. They said
Speaker 2: they also found a mask that would match one that
Speaker 2: they've seen in the pictures that were posted by the NYPD,
Speaker 2: and that this guy didn't put up any sort of
Speaker 2: a fight when they picked him up. So all of
Speaker 2: this they're waiting for the NYPD detect us to show
Speaker 2: up in I'll Tuna, Pennsylvania so that they can sit
Speaker 2: and interview with this guy.
Speaker 1: So on this other social media site where you put
Speaker 1: your description of yourself basically with emojis, it is a
Speaker 1: computer happy face emoji, right, so you and then it's
Speaker 1: like a bunch of weight stuff, weightlifting books, happy nerd face,
Speaker 1: smiley emoji likes books, weightlifting, computers, and then there's also
Speaker 1: a mushroom next to a brain, wondering if he's into all.
Speaker 4: Of those microdosing.
Speaker 1: Micro dosing situations are macro dosing also a little yin
Speaker 1: yang as well. So I don't like learning about people
Speaker 1: through their emoji descriptions of themselves.
Speaker 3: But here where here is where we are in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very interesting to see this guy's personality play
Speaker 2: out in just sort of this social media breadcrumb trail
Speaker 2: that we have of him. And again, most of what
Speaker 2: we see on his Twitter posts are reposts of other people,
Speaker 2: and not much, if anything about the insurance industry itself,
Speaker 2: other than there's a one reference to a brain injury unit.
Speaker 1: But other than that, his last reposts on Twitter were
Speaker 1: a podcast about smartphones and social media, the impact on
Speaker 1: mental health and brain plasticity with Jonathan Height, and then
Speaker 1: the one right before that was Peter Thiel on many
Speaker 1: great startups being run by people suffering from aspergers and
Speaker 1: how we should view this as an indictment of our society.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Interesting, we'll find out more about this again. The New
Speaker 2: York City Mayor, the New York Police Commissioner, all came
Speaker 2: out and mentioned this twenty six year old Luigi Mangione,
Speaker 2: arrested in Altoona, Pennsylvania, believed to be the very strong
Speaker 2: suspect in the or a strong person of interest is
Speaker 2: the words that Mayor Eric Adams used in connection with
Speaker 2: that murder of Brian Thompson, the United Healthcare CEO. So
Speaker 2: we get more information, we'll definitely bring it to you
Speaker 2: as we get to we get closer through the day.
Speaker 1: This is going to be a fascinating trial because of
Speaker 1: the anti insurance company sentiment in this country. There's been
Speaker 1: so many people touched by healthcare companies, screwing somebody over
Speaker 1: in their family at some point or knowing somebody.
Speaker 3: I think everyone's been touched.
Speaker 1: By a vicious health care decision, whether it's denying coverage
Speaker 1: or you know what do they call them outstanding conditions?
Speaker 4: What is it? You underground pre existing.
Speaker 1: Pre existing conditions being denied coverage. Because of that, it's
Speaker 1: going to be interesting to get twelve jurors that don't
Speaker 1: have any connection to healthcare, insurance, the industry being on
Speaker 1: the bad side of one of those situations.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Again, the twenty six year old who's been picked up
Speaker 2: A guy named Luigi Mangioni in Altoona, Pennsylvania apparently made
Speaker 2: his where they are mad his way there after the
Speaker 2: murder of Brian Thompson. The United Healthcare CEO Police Commissioner
Speaker 2: said they arrested him. He was carrying a weapon consistent
Speaker 2: with the gun used in the killing of Brian Thompson,
Speaker 2: and the NYPD Chief of Detectives said that Luigi Mangioni
Speaker 2: was taken into custody. That Mangioni was taken after police
Speaker 2: got a tip that he had been spotted at the
Speaker 2: McDonald's there in Altoona, PA at twelve thirty. We're going
Speaker 2: to get more into as we gather more and more information,
Speaker 2: We're going to get into some of the details about
Speaker 2: who this guy was, even just through his own words
Speaker 2: and his own posts on social media and thinks he's
Speaker 2: got a relatively healthy I mean, he's twenty six years old.
Speaker 2: Of course he does profile on social media, so we
Speaker 2: can glean some information about him from that.
Speaker 1: Very smart guy went to the best schools. It's obvious
Speaker 1: by it's not crazy smart. It may have taken a
Speaker 1: turn into crazy. He hasn't, at least on Twitter, hasn't
Speaker 1: tweeted things for a while. But you know, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about that that the movie and the book, the John
Speaker 1: Grisham book Runaway Jury, come to mind with John Cusack
Speaker 1: in the theater production of it, of people that are
Speaker 1: so tied emotionally to the tobacco industry or the gun
Speaker 1: lobby or the healthcare industry, Like how how emotional and
Speaker 1: personal those topics are where you get clouded, you know,
Speaker 1: or you or you try to infiltrate the jury. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you want to get on that jury and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of money at stake.
Speaker 3: You want to deliver justice. Yeah, there is.
Speaker 4: All right, let's quickly jump into swamp.
Speaker 3: Watch.
Speaker 5: Swamp is horrible.
Speaker 3: The government doesn't work.
Speaker 2: Man, make it like a reality TV show, Bad Noos.
Speaker 3: Always a pleasure to be anywhere from.
Speaker 4: Washington, d C.
Speaker 3: Hey, Joe.
Speaker 2: A town hall too clearly built on a swamp and
Speaker 2: in so many ways still a swamp.
Speaker 4: I have to watch make he.
Speaker 3: Said, drained the swamp.
Speaker 4: I said, oh, that's so he keep.
Speaker 3: You know the thing.
Speaker 2: Some interesting things took place in the Big Meet the
Speaker 2: Press interview to President elect Trump gave yesterday. Kristin Walker
Speaker 2: asked him about a lot of things. It was really
Speaker 2: the lengthiest interview we've seen with Trump in a while.
Speaker 2: It didn't generate as many headlines as I thought it would,
Speaker 2: But among other things, he did say that he wants
Speaker 2: to figure out something to do about the Dreamers. He says,
Speaker 2: people have been brought to here at a very young age.
Speaker 2: Many of these are middle aged people now they don't
Speaker 2: even speak the language of their native country. Yes, we're
Speaker 2: going to do something about that, and he says I
Speaker 2: will work with Democrats on a plan and if we
Speaker 2: can come up with it, but Democrats have made it
Speaker 2: very difficult to do anything. But Republicans are very open
Speaker 2: to the Dreamers. That even as he's talked about a
Speaker 2: record number of deportations that he has said that he
Speaker 2: wants to achieve early on, he also says he wants
Speaker 2: to end birthright citizenship and says that any American citizen
Speaker 2: that has family here illegally could be deported. Which it's
Speaker 2: just this is again, this is bluster, this is his
Speaker 2: he's throwing meat to the base. What we've seen him promise.
Speaker 2: We saw this eight years ago, the things he promised
Speaker 2: he would do versus what he actually came up with
Speaker 2: and was able to do were very very different.
Speaker 1: Laura Trump is stepping down as co chair of the RNC,
Speaker 1: and it's gotten some people to whisper about is this
Speaker 1: going to be.
Speaker 3: The replacement for Marco Rubio?
Speaker 4: Oh, that she would be appointed to the Senate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is possible.
Speaker 4: Of course.
Speaker 2: Marco Rubio has been nominated to be that come the
Speaker 2: next Secretary of State, and surprisingly he's gotten a lot
Speaker 2: of support from Democrats. There were a lot of people
Speaker 2: who came out and spoke very highly of Marco Rubio,
Speaker 2: which I did not expect. I didn't know that he
Speaker 2: had that reputation in the Senate necessarily.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's why I thought he was such a
Speaker 1: good pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So she told the Associated Press that it was a
Speaker 1: role she would seriously consider.
Speaker 3: This was an interview published yesterday.
Speaker 2: But again that goes to Ronda Santis, the one who
Speaker 2: gets to make the final call on that, because the
Speaker 2: governor of Florida.
Speaker 1: But she has the backing of Elon Musk as well,
Speaker 1: so there's money behind the push.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite dramatic things that has gone on
Speaker 2: in all of Congress is former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy
Speaker 2: and his rivalry I guess you could say with now
Speaker 2: former Congressman Matt Gates. In an interview yesterday, Kevin McCarthy
Speaker 2: said no one thought that Matt gates nomination would pass,
Speaker 2: and he said, I blame Matt Gates for lying to
Speaker 2: the President about his ethics report. People know that that's
Speaker 2: why he made the motion against me. People know these
Speaker 2: guys absolutely hate each other. And I'll watch every moment
Speaker 2: I can about these guys going after each other because
Speaker 2: Kevin McCarthy is convinced Matt Gates is the dirt bag
Speaker 2: that people suspect him of being. What that's what Kevin
Speaker 2: McCarthy feels about Matt Gates, And Matt Gates says, well,
Speaker 2: Kevin McCarthy's not Republican enough, or he's a Republican name
Speaker 2: only or whatever.
Speaker 4: That's the reason that he's not.
Speaker 2: In Congress anymore. But Kevin McCarthy said he's not capable
Speaker 2: of staying in Congress. He needed an excuse to resign
Speaker 2: because the ethics report would have been done in a
Speaker 2: couple of days.
Speaker 4: And that's unfortunate.
Speaker 2: But it is a better Congress today where they're going
Speaker 2: forward without Matt Gates.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I've gone down a hole, which one.
Speaker 1: And you know how I get because I am now
Speaker 1: literally wearing a tin hat every day. But I when
Speaker 1: we were talking about the suspect in New York, this
Speaker 1: Luigi Mangi, Luigi Mangione, great name. This is the guy
Speaker 1: who took out the United Healthcare CEO in As soon
Speaker 1: as I read that, he was interested in his Valedictorian
Speaker 1: speed or what have you, and he went to Penn
Speaker 1: to study artificial intelligence. And then what you read about
Speaker 1: him talking about the dangers of artificial intelligence and lack
Speaker 1: of human to human contact and things in Jonathan Hate's
Speaker 1: book and all that. I was reminded by something that
Speaker 1: came out after the CEO was shot and killed in
Speaker 1: Midtown last week, and it was that the United Healthcare
Speaker 1: had gotten a lot of press that had kind of
Speaker 1: snowballed in the past year over them using AI to
Speaker 1: deny claims like that's been the major knock on this guy,
Speaker 1: and it's gotten a bunch of attention in the past year.
Speaker 4: Well, that's not down a hole. That's just connecting dots.
Speaker 3: Right or same kind of same kind of thing.
Speaker 4: You have to be in the hole to connect those dots.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what if he's just like this super smart warrior
Speaker 1: against AI and wants more human connection and wanted to
Speaker 1: make a statement about.
Speaker 2: It, and that a I is now planting this evidence again.
Speaker 2: It's like this show if we killed people if because
Speaker 2: we not that we would, but we vouched for this
Speaker 2: all the time. We feel very strongly.
Speaker 1: About the lack of human to human interaction and what
Speaker 1: it does to society.
Speaker 4: Uh, you went to peanuts?
Speaker 3: Is that the peanuts?
Speaker 4: The peanut?
Speaker 6: Hey, this has been in Kansas City and Shannon, how
Speaker 6: dare you? That is a Kansas City institution? I got
Speaker 6: the delicious wings that said I have definitely gotten food
Speaker 6: poisoning there before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just say one of the people went back
Speaker 1: to the hotel and went straight to the bathroom.
Speaker 4: That's part of the allure, is it not.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a if there's a possibility that you
Speaker 2: run the risk of you know, urgent.
Speaker 1: It's the same reason we have a bacon wrapped hot
Speaker 1: dog outside the stadium on our way home, because you
Speaker 1: roll the dice, You roll the dice.
Speaker 4: Guys. It's important to point out this is not a
Speaker 4: gay song.
Speaker 3: It is not it.
Speaker 1: It was kind of adopted by the gay community.
Speaker 3: Could one argue.
Speaker 2: That's one way to put it. But and I guess
Speaker 2: it's because maybe there was a lot of Mirando hookups
Speaker 2: at YMCA's around the world, and was there.
Speaker 3: I thought it was a place for children.
Speaker 4: The YMCA is it not?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 4: I mean, I know it's young Man's.
Speaker 2: Christian Association, but I don't I don't know if it
Speaker 2: meant like young child no Ah. I always assumed it
Speaker 2: was a you know, an adult thing, just young adults.
Speaker 3: Interesting kids. Oh.
Speaker 1: Victor Willis, the writer of the song, has clarified that
Speaker 1: the song is not gay themed. He says in a
Speaker 1: Facebook post, there's nothing gay about it.
Speaker 3: He says he's thrilled.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump likes the song because he's made since Trump
Speaker 1: started using it.
Speaker 2: Which is funny because that's not the usual reaction anytime
Speaker 2: a musician or a band finds out that one politician
Speaker 2: or the other is using their their song as a
Speaker 2: walk up song or part of their parties of the rallies,
Speaker 2: they want to pull it. I don't support the even
Speaker 2: though they're making money on it. I'm glad that Victor
Speaker 2: at least understands where the money is coming from.
Speaker 1: The way this is written is funny. He says, his
Speaker 1: wife will start suing people who insist the song is
Speaker 1: gay themed. They say, whoever his wife is, she's pretty
Speaker 1: pretty busy according to him, carrying out their efforts. He
Speaker 1: says my wife more often in his posts than the
Speaker 1: word fiance is used in that famous Seinfeld episode.
Speaker 2: The key paragraph in this says the financial benefits have
Speaker 2: been great as well, as YMCA is estimated to grow
Speaker 2: several million dollars since the President Alex continued use of
Speaker 2: the song. Therefore, I'm glad I allowed the President Alex
Speaker 2: continued use of YMC, and I thank him for choosing
Speaker 2: my song. I've never quite wrapped my head around licensing
Speaker 2: for music played in an event like that. I kind
Speaker 2: of get it when it comes to light music licensing
Speaker 2: and radio stations, and we've always dealt with those contracts
Speaker 2: because of our experience just in the industry. But for
Speaker 2: a live event like that, do.
Speaker 1: You think that we're going to get in trouble from
Speaker 1: the trumpets of Jesus people?
Speaker 3: I doubt it, but I mean, I mean, we'd play
Speaker 3: it enough.
Speaker 4: It would be the songwriter.
Speaker 2: That and I don't know who the songwriter is on
Speaker 2: trumpets of Jesus. But this is just one version of
Speaker 2: it by the Imperials, and I think there have been
Speaker 2: several different versions of it recorded by different groups.
Speaker 3: Oh really, let's see, okay.
Speaker 1: Russ Taff wrote the song Trumpet of Jesus, and.
Speaker 4: It's a singular trumpet by the way.
Speaker 3: Right, Russtaff the Jesus trumpet?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's it sounds like he's saying the
Speaker 2: trump bets.
Speaker 4: But it is just a singular trumpet. He's only got one.
Speaker 1: Russ Staff, Russ taxcuse me, seventy one years old, grew
Speaker 1: up in Farmersville, California.
Speaker 3: I bet we could get him on.
Speaker 2: Not a problem. We start the new year with Russ
Speaker 2: Taft interviews.
Speaker 3: What would you ask him?
Speaker 2: How many songs he's written? Was this a one off?
Speaker 2: This is a pretty popular song. It'd be crazy if
Speaker 2: it was just a one off. I want to go
Speaker 2: through some of the lyrics though of YMCA, because I
Speaker 2: feel like there is something to be said about why
Speaker 2: people believe that it is a song. When it comes
Speaker 2: to a song that would be embraced perhaps by the
Speaker 2: gay A gay song. Go ahead, Well, I didn't say
Speaker 2: gay song, but there's something wrong with that. Let's start
Speaker 2: out with the first two words of the song, young man,
Speaker 2: I rest my case.
Speaker 4: That's the end of it.
Speaker 2: No, And then the second line starts off there's with
Speaker 2: the two words young man, and then.
Speaker 4: The third line starts with young man.
Speaker 3: Well it it's all about mentorship.
Speaker 2: Yes, young man, there's a place you can go, I said,
Speaker 2: young man, when you're short on your dough.
Speaker 4: You could find many ways to have a good time.
Speaker 2: Now, none of it has to be gay, but if
Speaker 2: you're looking for something to symbolize it, and you're looking
Speaker 2: for an anthem or a theme, this would fit everything.
Speaker 2: It's fun to stay at the YMCA, and they have
Speaker 2: everything for young men to enjoy.
Speaker 4: You can hang out with all the boys.
Speaker 3: Lots of boys like to do.
Speaker 1: They like to hang out with other boys. And then
Speaker 1: this is where it kind of is like a life helper. Right.
Speaker 1: You can get yourself clean, you can have a good male,
Speaker 1: you can do whatever you feel.
Speaker 4: You can have a good what meal meal?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Like, oh, I thought it sounded like you said you
Speaker 4: can have a good male.
Speaker 3: No meal again me hot dog or whatever it is. Boys.
Speaker 1: It's all about young men who are kind of bouncing
Speaker 1: around in life.
Speaker 3: They might need friends.
Speaker 1: They might need a nice warm place to say, a
Speaker 1: nice warm male and meal.
Speaker 2: It's again, it sounds like you said mail, but you
Speaker 2: said a nice warm meal.
Speaker 3: Meal right, right?
Speaker 1: Okay, a nice warm male can really meal really set you?
Speaker 3: Right? You know what I mean? Like, don't you feel
Speaker 3: better after you have a hot meal?
Speaker 2: Yes, you're You're still saying that there's a little I
Speaker 2: have to be careful.
Speaker 3: How I answer a love song about community.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize the YMCA was started in Switzerland. I
Speaker 2: thought that was an America thing, all right. It's currently
Speaker 2: based in Switzerland. I guess it started in London and
Speaker 2: it was founded in eighteen forty four as the Young
Speaker 2: Men's Christian Association. The aim was to put Christian values
Speaker 2: into practic just by developing a healthy body, mind and spirit.
Speaker 4: So it's almost a.
Speaker 2: You could argue opposite of what a lot of people
Speaker 2: have thought have thought that it was.
Speaker 3: And so did they.
Speaker 1: Dress up as a Native American and the police officer
Speaker 1: and the construction worker and the bit to show that
Speaker 1: it's for everybody.
Speaker 4: I don't know why the costumes came about.
Speaker 1: Because like if I'm a firefighter, policeman or a Native American,
Speaker 1: I probably am not in need of staying with all
Speaker 1: the boys, right, Like I've I've I have a career,
Speaker 1: I have a pension. I mean, I don't know about
Speaker 1: the Native American, but he has a community, yes, reservation.
Speaker 1: But the cop and the firefighter, they've got pensions. They
Speaker 1: they don't need a warm mail. They've got one at home.
Speaker 1: Probably meal, meal, is what you're saying.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: Do you know anybody who has a great memory. My
Speaker 2: dad did great memory.
Speaker 1: Yes, could remember you know who played third base for
Speaker 1: the Cubs in nineteen sixty four, right, you know right away?
Speaker 4: Ray Bell. By the way, I'm just kidding. I just
Speaker 4: made that name up.
Speaker 2: It sounded like an early fifties anyway. Like super recognizers
Speaker 2: don't just have great memories. They specifically remember people's faces
Speaker 2: that they can identify unfamiliar faces at just a brief glimpse.
Speaker 2: And they say that by hoping, by studying these super recognizers,
Speaker 2: that researchers would understand how we in general recognize that
Speaker 2: a face belongs to someone we know, which is of
Speaker 2: course important when it comes to being a social species
Speaker 2: like we are, or hope to continue to be.
Speaker 1: In that case, On the other end, are the two
Speaker 1: to three percent of people with face blindness who have
Speaker 1: trouble recognizing faces that should be familiar to them, including
Speaker 1: those of loved ones or even their own.
Speaker 2: Developmental prosopagnosia is what that's called the face blindness. I've
Speaker 2: I've heard also of people with this, but I've never
Speaker 2: recognized I mean, I don't recognize them. No, I don't
Speaker 2: know anybody specifically that has face blindness.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I think that if you're not paying attention to
Speaker 1: who you're talking to or meeting, they can go in
Speaker 1: one eye and out the other, so to speak.
Speaker 2: Well, we were just we have we were just talking
Speaker 2: the other day about somebody we both know and have
Speaker 2: met multiple times. But put that person into a room,
Speaker 2: they fade into the Wallpa, man, just nothing there.
Speaker 4: And it's not I don't know if it's you know
Speaker 4: that they're distinguishing or out.
Speaker 1: Of there's nothing distinguishing about them, Yes, like your forehead distinguishes, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Yeah, that was a stupid shot, but
Speaker 1: mildly amusing.
Speaker 3: And your ankles, my ankles, they're probably a little fat
Speaker 3: actually after the plane.
Speaker 2: I but that's not your face, that's true, But there
Speaker 2: were there's no distinguishing characteristics or something. There's no scar
Speaker 2: under the eye or a snaggle tooth or something like
Speaker 2: that that would make that person.
Speaker 1: I didn't which one which one? So you're saying, I
Speaker 1: have multiple snaggles?
Speaker 4: What are you pointing to? No.
Speaker 5: Super recognizers they first came out, I'm uninteresting came up
Speaker 5: within two thousand and nine said that the excel at
Speaker 5: identifying matching faces, even those that would be unfamiliar with
Speaker 5: them strangers up until the experiment, whether they're flipped upside down,
Speaker 5: they have low resolution, sometimes the pictures are presented at
Speaker 5: a different angle.
Speaker 2: They have the unique ability to derive a three dimensional
Speaker 2: representation of a face, even if they only see a
Speaker 2: picture of it a two D image of a person.
Speaker 1: If they're like this with photographic memory and other things,
Speaker 1: not just faces.
Speaker 2: Well, and they're saying no, they're saying that this is
Speaker 2: specific to faces because of how important recognizing someone has
Speaker 2: been over the course of our evolution as human beings.
Speaker 2: They said that when presented with even random pictures of
Speaker 2: everyday life, a beach, scene of traffic or something, super
Speaker 2: recognizers spend more time looking at faces, which is interesting
Speaker 2: because We've done stories before about people with autism spectrum
Speaker 2: disorders who do the exact opposite. They spend time looking
Speaker 2: at the vehicles or the things, or the plants or
Speaker 2: the birds. They do not look at the faces. They
Speaker 2: said that eyes of super recognizers are immediately drawn to
Speaker 2: the face, regardless of where that face is in the picture,
Speaker 2: and mostly near the optimal place for identification, which is
Speaker 2: just below your eyes. Not the forehead, mind you, but
Speaker 2: just below the eyes. I was wondering about this and
Speaker 2: I just found my answer. And I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: say that people are racist, but sometimes you look at
Speaker 2: someone who looks a certain.
Speaker 3: Way and they you.
Speaker 1: Don't really look at them, because you just kind of
Speaker 1: glance at them, and then you think you know exactly
Speaker 1: what their face looks like. For example, it doesn't have
Speaker 1: to just be black or Asian or what have you.
Speaker 3: It could be it could be blonde white girl.
Speaker 1: Because this happened to be this weekend, one of the
Speaker 1: security guys for the chargers says, I could have sworn
Speaker 1: I saw you at the lobby bar, so I want
Speaker 1: to go say hi, and it wasn't you.
Speaker 3: But she has blonde.
Speaker 1: Hair, so like it happens with everybody you know where
Speaker 1: you don't really You look at somebody and you think
Speaker 1: you take in all the information, but then you put
Speaker 1: them in a lineup and you don't. That's why lineups
Speaker 1: and six packs or whatever you want to call them
Speaker 1: are so traditional, not reliable sources of evidence because people
Speaker 1: don't really spend that time getting all the minutia of
Speaker 1: someone's face well.
Speaker 2: And that's that kind of a criminal lineup. Like that,
Speaker 2: you're dealing most of the time with people who aren't
Speaker 2: professionals there. They don't know what to look for, what
Speaker 2: they recognize or anything. If you have a job where
Speaker 2: it's important for you to recognize faces, think of somebody
Speaker 2: like I don't know, a TSA agent or a security
Speaker 2: guard at some place where you have to keep an
Speaker 2: eye on people's faces. You can you can train your
Speaker 2: way into some of those characteristics of super recognizers, but
Speaker 2: you're still far behind.
Speaker 4: They said.
Speaker 2: In many cases, forensic examiners, as an example, are very methodical,
Speaker 2: very systematic when they look at faces to determine identity,
Speaker 2: and they said they take longer to make decisions, sometimes
Speaker 2: up as many as long as thirty seconds, but they
Speaker 2: do pick up on some facial clues that most people
Speaker 2: wouldn't be paying attention to. But when you do talk
Speaker 2: about those super recognizers, they have quicker, greater accuracy, and
Speaker 2: sometimes it takes them two seconds to make a decision
Speaker 2: about somebody as opposed to thirty seconds for someone who's
Speaker 2: professionally trained.
Speaker 3: Just so we're clear, I do believe you have an
Speaker 3: average forehead.
Speaker 4: That's not true.
Speaker 3: It is true.
Speaker 2: I have an average five head. It's a big forehead,
Speaker 2: it's an average five head.
Speaker 3: It's not true.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm going to play this for you because this
Speaker 2: guy was very complimentary of you.
Speaker 7: Every day I listened to you both, and you guys
Speaker 7: like the best best duel ever. And I'm just laughing
Speaker 7: my butt off, just like out loud, like they are stupid,
Speaker 7: like it just laughing, And that's like, you guys are
Speaker 7: my type with people like it's it's just so funny
Speaker 7: the way you guys work together. And for the record,
Speaker 7: Shannon was saying that you would get a nice hot nail.
Speaker 4: She said it like four or five times. I was like,
Speaker 4: wait a minute, that's yeah, I did. Yeah. Weird, very weird.
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