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Speaker 4: That was at the range on July fourth.
Speaker 5: Then oh, all the AARs were gone.
Speaker 4: And that's not something I've ever seen in my life.
Yea in Pennsylvania, whole life, so never had the experience
that before. And it was not it's not pleasant to see.
Speaker 6: That's how they actually wanted to be is there are
no ars at the range at all. All right, welcome
again to gun Talk. I am Tom Gresham, and you
know what you can be a part of this. Just
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m reloading, all the rest of it. But of course
you got to talk politics, and when you talk politics,
it's the Second Amendment.
Speaker 5: And you know, honestly, I think we're in.
Speaker 6: A pretty special place right now because there's just so
many good things happening, and honestly, one of the very
best places for you to keep informed on this is
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Speaker 5: Steven, I am.
Speaker 6: Personally really excited because I've been doing this for so
long and now I see all of these outfits that
are covering the Second Amendment in ways that we couldn't
do before.
Speaker 5: When did you start the Reload.
Speaker 4: I've started the Reload back in twenty twenty one. Sin
it's been five years now, Wow, going strong and focused
on you know, hard news and an analysis, which is
something I think the industry journalism sort of lacks a
good approach to that and when it comes to firearms
policy and politics and try to fill that gap.
Speaker 6: You know, well, you brought your background as a journalist
to this and let's report on Second Amendment and gun rights.
And you've been doing that and it has become really
the go to source there are, and we know there
are a lot of really good sources out there, but
you turn your people loose and you've got a number
of good reporters, writers, people you tap into and you
have insight that a lot of people and outlets don't have.
So I just want to congratulate you on all the
good work you're doing.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: That's exactly what we strive for you and we try
to be sober and serious and take a hard, hard
news approach to reporting on these issues us.
Speaker 6: Well it is and those that want to know just
go to the reload dot com. It is a subscription
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the smartest person in the room when it comes to
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You know, it's not expensive. I just tell people it's
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Speaker 4: And that's how we support ourselves. So we're not funded
by any major corporation or group. It's all the membership,
so we're accountable to the membership.
Speaker 6: Okay, so you've been reporting on well, let's just say
for five years. I've been reporting on this for fifty years.
But I keep telling people, I said, look, it's hard
for people who are relatively new in this to understand
how far we have come, because there were times right
after GCA sixty eight, after the Brady Bill, after the
Clinton gun band, the Sought Weapons band, it just looked
like it was a one way trip to gun ban
world and we were not going to ever make any
progress on this. And what we're seeing now is in
my view, phenomenal and love to kind of get your
take on it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's fair to say, right. I mean
that at one point, polling showed in the nineteen sixties
that handgun bands were overwhelmingly popular, and if you look
at the exact same pole from Gallop today, in the
most recent one, you know, it's incredibly unpopular in the
twenty percent range. So things have really changed both culturally
as well. You know, Leonard Skynyrd had a whole song
about banning hand guns at one point, right, which I'm
surely what a younger people would find that very strange,
but it's true. And then certainly the legal landscape is
what's changed perhaps the most because you've got the Supreme Court.
They took them until two thousand and eight to say
and the second Moment really does anything at all, right,
And they haven't exactly moved at a lightning pace to
build out their second amateurs, but that's kind of how the.
Speaker 5: Court works to be there.
Speaker 4: It took them a century to build out the First Amendment,
your rescruitence. So now we're seeing though that kind of accelerate.
We had two cases this year from the Supreme Court
in Wolford v. Lopez and usv. Comone, both Second Amendment
cases where the Court came down on the side of
the more expansive view of what the Second Amendment protects.
And now I think most exciting of all if you
follow the space, they've taken up finally an AR fifteen band,
which is going to be monumental.
Speaker 5: I think when that drops.
Speaker 6: It is they actually combined two cases. They'll be heard
next session of the Supreme Court, and pretty much all
of the people who know what they're doing, who are
handicapping this on either side of the aisle, on either
side of the gun issue, are saying the Supreme Court
is going to come back and destroy the bands on
AR fifteens.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had a piece this week where we spoke
to a number of second amended scholars from across the
ideological spectrum. You know, people who study this for a
living books like David Kopple, an Independence Institute, Andrew Willinger's
Georgia State University professor used to run Duke University's Firearms
Law Center. You know, people on opposite sides of the
spectrum comes to what they think about the secumentent. But
you're right, they all have, you know, preliminarily on first glance,
they all seem to be thinking the court's gone the
same direction, which is likely to strike down AR fifteen bands.
Speaker 6: And where all of course always quick to say only
a fool predicts what the Supreme Court is going to do,
But in this case, they have given off a lot
of signs of where they want to go. And basically
it appears they were waiting for the right case because
they turned down the Maryland case, Snope's case, and then
but now they turn right around and they're going to
take this one. They were waiting for the right time
and probably don't you think waiting for the decisions in
Walford and Hermiani.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems that way, right. We had in snoop
the Maryland case, Justice Sprett Kavanaugh wrote a statement as
to why he didn't vote to take up that case,
because you remember there were three votes Thomas, Dorsich and
Alito all said we should take the Maryland challenge. You
only need four to take it, so Kavanaugh could have
been that fourth, but he said, you know, I want
to wait a little bit. You know, he said, we'll
take this up in a turn or two. And that's
exactly what they've done here, And you're right, they did
it right after issuing those other two Second Amendment decisions.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think they were just basically setting it up
to be successful in this one, so that one of
the questions is, and you've talked to the experts, is
people are saying, yeah, okay, it's an a OUR fifteen case,
but we also want a decision on magazine capacity bands.
Speaker 5: Is it possible are you hearing anything about them?
Speaker 6: Maybe somehow combining that so that this AAR fifteen case
ends up covering that as well.
Speaker 4: You know, it's I had Stephen Hallbrook, another prominent Second
Amendment lawyer, has been in this game as long as
you have.
Speaker 5: Hallbrook is the OG. I mean, he is the guy
that you want to listen to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, and super prominent person, was there back in
the seventies at the beginning of the legal movement on
the Second Amendment. And yeah, he thinks that it's likely
this decision in the AR case is going to have
a major impact on the magazine cases.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: I think it's a little more straightforward to do the
AR fifteen thans because there's less dispute, at least theoretical
dispute over whether or not they're arms.
Speaker 6: Our magazine arms. Are they actually covered by the Secondmendment.
We're going to get there, that's going to happen. I
got to switch real quickly because you're in Virginia and
you were telling me when you went to the range.
It's a different world right now. And I know that
we're looking forward to this decision on AAR fifteen's, but
in Virginia right now you're under basically have AR.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4: I mean, we had two Pillarin injunctions that were issued
against enforcement of this law before it went into effect
on July first. However, unfortunately for gunners in Virginia and
gun dealers, especially the injunctions only block the state police
and a couple of what are called commonwealth attorneys, which
are basically local prosecutors. They don't block every law enforcement
officer in the state. So in theory, if you tried
to buy or sell an ar today, you could be
arrested for it. And the Attorney General has made it
clear that he that's his interpretation of these rulings. They
only enjoyed these certain parties, so the effect has been
you can't buy him.
Speaker 5: There you go.
Speaker 4: I was at the range on July fourth, taking some
beginner shooters out, and you know, I obviously there's plenty
of people who lived in states that have this kind
of band that I've never lived in one before, and
it was pretty eerie. I've seen the empty shelves and
there is a bit feel felt, to be honest with you,
felt a bit dystopian. Shelves are empty. You can't buy them.
They're now and say them. Maybe that'll change soon. These
cases are moving very quickly, but for now that that's
the reality.
Speaker 5: Overall, we're in a good place. I know.
Speaker 6: We've had a lot of lower courts ignore or thumber
noses that are actually purposely try to undo Heller and Ruin,
and now the Supreme Court is going to come back
and say, no, we actually meant it. You're going to
have to pay attention to us, to you lower courts,
not that this is going to end it, because this
is always going to go on. There's always going to
be this fight, isn't there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's absolutely right. But you're I think
you're right in the fact that the Supreme Court does
seem to be going in to stand up for it
its decisions and its precedents. You can see that Money
and Wolfe, especially in Wolford, because Wolford is basically that
was the Vampire rules. This response to the Bruin ruling, right,
they said, you can't do may issue permitting. That's unconstitutional.
So what did some of these states too? They said,
all right, fine, we'll give out permits, but.
Speaker 5: We're going to make it carry.
Speaker 4: And so you know that's important if you care about
the Court's precedents, if you care about its Second Amendment,
jurisprudence and what you know, they need to go down
and tell Although, to be honest, a lot of the
lower courts in that case, Vampire rule was so out
of bounds that most of the even the left wing
courts had ruled against those laws except for this Hawaii one.
But you know, they're still there. They're being proactive about
making sure the lower courts get and the States themselves
get what's going on here. But you're also right that
I think it's likely you're going to see it once
ars are struck down. If that is the way the
court goes, what's likely to happen, I think is the
States will start adopting what Colorado has, which is basically
a permit to purchase system for so called assault weapons. Right,
So that's probably where things will go next.
Speaker 6: Anything they can come up with to make it more
difficult to act we own and use them, and also
to discourage people to getting them in the first place.
So yeah, they're never going to give up with their resistance,
which means we on our side can never give up
on our advocacy and support of the Second Amendment.
Speaker 4: And you know, I think it's important to note too
that that would still be a pretty significant improvement for
most people under these kinds of bands. You would still
be able to buy the guns, good point, to get
through a permitting system, and maybe that permanting system will
be on constitutional as well, depending on how you know
they go with this, right, it's still an improvement. I
just you know, I don't want to make people feel
like nothing is changing. It's certainly changing.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, No, I think are definitely improving, and I
would encourage people to go check out the reload thereload
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Speaker 5: Steven, thank you so much for what you're doing.
Speaker 6: I applaud your efforts and success and it's just getting
better all the time.
Speaker 4: Absolutely appreciate you having me on.
Speaker 5: Love being on the show.
Speaker 6: All right, thank you, all right, don't go very far.
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Speaker 5: Oh well, we're not fifty here. I'm Tom Gresham.
Speaker 6: You can join us any time you want to by
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Speaker 5: That's me.
Speaker 6: I'm Tom. We Talk Guns. So the number is Tom
Talk Gun. All right, we're open lines or anything you
want to talk about. Really seriously, it's about well, if
it's about guns in some form of fashions got up
somehow connected guns. All right, it's competition or hunting or
gun rights or Second Amendment or collecting or whatever. I
stirred it up a little bit this week. You never
know what's going to happen. You never know what people
are going to get riled up about. But over on
x you know, formerly Twitter, where I am at gun talk,
and you should follow me over there, seriously, go over
there to join x X dot com and look for me.
I am at gun talk. Follow me there. You will
see all the stuff that we're doing. It's it's quite entertaining.
Let's just say that. So I posted something that essentially said, hey, look,
I know there are a lot of really good guns
that are inexpensive, but we also now have a lot
of guns in the I'm talking pistols, particularly in the
twenty five hundred to five thousand dollars range, and said,
you know, basically looking at Schustacato.
Speaker 5: Because you reshaped reset.
Speaker 6: The marketplace, there was a time when no one would
have imagined paying twenty five hundred bucks three thousand dollars
for a pistol. And now you know a lot of
these double stacked nineteen eleven's are up there and beyond.
But what was interesting to me was the reaction where
people would say, well, that's just stupid. Nobody needs spend
more than one thousand dollars on a pistol. If you
can't hit anything with a five hundred dollars pistol, you
got no business buying a five thousand dollar pistol.
Speaker 5: On and on and on.
Speaker 6: The same people, by the way, who would tell the
anti gunners when they say no one needs an AR
fifteen They would say, well, need has nothing to do
with it, But then turn right around and say, well
you don't need an expensive pistol.
Speaker 5: Well, no you don't. I would agree, but maybe you
want it. I don't know.
Speaker 6: I just I would love to get your take on it.
When you look at guns out there, and I remember,
there are a lot of different uses for them, a
lot of different reasons for having different pistols, pistols being
in this case handguns, revolvers also, So what do you
think five hundred dollars one thousand, fifteen hundred, twenty five
five thousand more, But you can get ad Jason Burton,
nineteen eleven. But it's going to cost you twelve to
fifteen thousand dollars for a single nineteen eleven pistol, and
people are lined up for years to get them. So
I don't know so right or wrong to it? You
tell me? Give me a call it Tom talk gun.
Also of course looking for your your range reports as well.
Speaker 5: Let's see. Let's talk to Blue out of Las Vegas, Nevada. Blue,
you're on the air. How can we help you?
Speaker 11: Awesome?
Speaker 12: Hey, I had a question about gropping a handgun. So
you know, I've heard you talk about group and a
real tight to help minimize recoil. But it seems like
wheneveryone really, you know, give all. I got to grip
the pistol starts the you know, wobble around a bit.
I'm having trouble keeping the sight steady.
Speaker 5: So what kind of pistol are we talking about?
Speaker 12: I got a Gen six nineteen.
Speaker 5: Glog Nice Okay, good pistol? Love it? Uh? Do you
like the gun?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 12: I'm enjoying it, quite of it.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 5: Let's talk grip for a second. Uh. Do you shoot
right handed? Yes? Sir? Okay.
Speaker 6: First order of business is to get your hand as
high as possible on the grip the right hand just
way up high into that beaver tail into that just
I mean, just run it up on the grip as
high as you can.
Speaker 5: That's the first thing you got to do, all right.
Then you just.
Speaker 6: Kind of wrap your fingers to the right hand around
and then you take that left hand and press it basically,
just fingers straight out and press your left hand into
the left side of the gun with your fingers straight out,
thumb pointing straight up, and then just wrap your fingers
of your left hand around the fingers of your right hand.
Nice good firm grip and about the same amount of
pressure right side and left side. You know, whether you're
squeezing it or like for all your worth or seventy percent,
or it doesn't really matter at that point. Now we're
just trying to work the trigger. Now, let me ask
you a question when you say the sites are wobbling.
Two questions. One, how far are we shoed mores of
the distance?
Speaker 12: Twelve yards?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 6: And how much are the sites wobbling? Are they going
off the paper?
Speaker 5: No, they're not.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: They just did just wobbling.
Speaker 6: Just got a little bit of movement in the sits
right right, Okay. You're gonna hate this answer. But you're
gonna love the results. The answer is it doesn't matter.
It really doesn't that the sites are moving around. And
I'm going to prove it to you. Next time you
go to the range, do this experiment for me. You're
gonna think I am insane, right, but seriously, try it.
Get all lined up, Let these sights wobble and all
that in about a half a second, get ready, finger
on the trigger, ready to go, and half a second
before you pull the trigger, close your eyes and then
pull the trigger seriously, and then open your eyes and
get you your focus right back on that front side.
Speaker 5: Are using a red dot or front or.
Speaker 11: Iron sights or there's a red dot on it?
Speaker 5: Okay, you're fine with the red dot. That's fine.
Speaker 6: Again, get the dot on the target, get everything set up,
close your eyes and press the trigger about a half
a second later with shoot with your eyes closed, open
your eyes and watch where the bullets go.
Speaker 5: They're all going to go exactly.
Speaker 6: Where you want them to go, even though the red
dot is wobbling. The problem is one of the problems.
The red dot shows you the movement. It's a natural
amount of movement. We all get It's okay, let it
the focus on pressing the trigger, try the closing your
eyes before you shoot deal and see what you think
and then call us back in a week or two
and let me know how it works out for you.
I think you're gonna like it, and then you'll stop
worrying about the dot.
Speaker 5: Moving around and just let it happen.
Speaker 6: But it's okay. Let the dot wobble, press the trigger.
The bullet's gonna go where you want it to go.
Our number here is eighty six six Talk Gun or
Tom Talk Gun. I have Tom Gresham. We're off the lines.
If we're looking for your arrange reports, what's working for
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We just talk about melt guns and shooting and pistols, rifles, shotguns,
it doesn't really matter. I'm talking about gunsmithing.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah.
Speaker 6: Later on the show today we're gonna be talking a
little bit about gunsmithing. Is that's still a viable way
to make a living? Well, we'll answer that question. Also,
we're gonna have some talk about using AI official intelligence
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love to get the range of boards where he'd been
out shooting. I think he bought anything he was thinking
about buy it for that met up. I got a
new one over here, and it's driving me crazy.
Speaker 5: I picked it up.
Speaker 6: I was going to go shoot it yesterday actually at
the steel challenge we have, and then I threw out
my back a couple of days ago, couldn't even stand
up partly yesterday. It's like, okay, this is not going
to work. So typically, and this is not the first time.
Typically it's about a week to get over it. So we're, uh,
we're broadcasting day on pain meds that may show up.
No telling what we're going to end up doing later
on today. All right, let's go to the phones line five.
Stu is with us out of Camilla. Camellia, Georgia.
Speaker 7: Hey, Stu.
Speaker 13: All right, well, it's my birthday week, so you know
I had no al right to my bowl Armory Cherokee
nine millimeter that wound up costing me six hundred and
fifty nine dollars, but it's sold on guns dot Com
for two eighty nine. I wound up getting the wrong
contract never buy that on a automotive lease, Predova, shame
on you. But my gun I bought is a beautiful
g X two Taurus. It is the most comfortable gun
I have ever shown. And this is my n perfect. Now.
I'm a big guy. I'm six four, three hundred pounds,
but I can get it in the ar. The NRA
grip perfectly, and I can hit everywhere I'm looking. I
totally recommend this gun. They're under three hundred dollars, and
best of all, if I need to get work on it,
I live twenty miles from the factory.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 6: Okay, So let me ask me what how did you
get What was the process you used to decide to
buy this gun? Did you go look at it? Did
you try it out? Or did you just read about it?
What'd you do?
Speaker 14: Well?
Speaker 13: I was so frustrated with the other gun. I traded
it in and they gave me a nice allowance, and
I said, wait a minute, that gun looks really good.
It looks like something straight out of H and K
and LO and behold it's a Taurus and it has
you know, the you know, safe action trigger, but also
has a manual slide safety if I need that. The
only thing I've added to it is a fluorescent front site.
And I understand there's an aftermarket threaded barrel that I'll
be looking at shortly, so I'm good to go as
far as guns right now.
Speaker 5: Now, why the threaded barrel? Do you have a suppressor
you want to put on it?
Speaker 13: Well, as you know, we can even go hunting here
in Geordia with suppressors, and they're really popular now and
it's apparently it's easier to get them, so I would
like to have one at night. We do have a
problem with raccoons who seem to think that my garbage
can is a restaurant, and I need to take care
of that problem.
Speaker 6: All right. Well, that's a good range report there, and yeah,
I agree with you. Trus is making some really nice guns.
Thanks for the call, appreciate that. And look, I readily
acknowledge understand Taurus did not have a great reputation for
a while, and they worked really hard to maintain that
bad reputation by not making great guns and not servicing
very well. It's a new company, it's a new management,
and they are really getting it right now. It just
takes a long time to overcome a bad reputation and
when you talk to them. I mean, we have Caleb
Gettings on the show occasionally from Taurus. He says yeah,
he says, I understand because he's a gun guy. He says,
I know what it was then, I know what it
is now. He says, it was that then and now
it's so much better. It's really making good stuff. So
just one of those things that kind of you go, Okay,
who am I listening to? I often find that you
have to be careful. You have to vet who you're
listening to. If somebody start it's bad mouthing a particular
product or a brand or whatever you want to First
of all, I want to say, do you own one?
Often what I hear is no, I've never owned one
of those. But they're gonna bad mouth you. Go okay,
you don't mind if my discount pretty much everything you say,
then okay. And then if they say, yeah, I owned one,
and when was that, well yeah twenty years ago, Okay, fine,
that was then, this is now. It's just part of
the vetting process. And obviously online the problem is online
everybody has an opinion, and it's usually a strong opinion.
It's kind of like when I posted the thing about
five hundred dollars pistols versus five thousand dollar pistols. Holy cow,
you'd think I had insulted a dog or something. It's
like I wouldn't get one of those. Well you don't
have to. That's the beauty of the whole thing. Well,
it's like a prefos caller be three hundred bucks for
a gun that he really likes. That's okay, it's great.
There's a gun for every budget. And I was trying
to explain a little bit of this. I said, look,
you know, you can buy a watch at Walmart for
twenty nine dollars, put a battery in it, and it
runs perfectly. It will to keep great time, and it
will do everything you needed to do. Or you can
buy a mechanical watch for five or ten thousand dollars
or obviously a whole lot more than that, and a
lot of people do. They're really into the fine mechanical watches.
Speaker 5: Cool.
Speaker 6: Fine, they might keep time as well as the twenty
nine dollars one, but probably won't. Honestly, the mechanical watch
I've been wearing, I'm looking at it right now. I've
been wearing the same mechanical watch since nineteen sixty nine. Yeah,
you do the numbers on that one, and it I
had to lose a couple of minutes a week for
every two weeks. So it's not perfect, it's not great.
It's just what I like. And doesn't it come down
about lot. It's kind of like, that's just the thing
I like. Okay, all right, let's go talk to gim
in Medford online one.
Speaker 5: Hey, Jump, you're up.
Speaker 14: How are you doing? Tom? It's nice to hear you.
Speaker 5: I'm having fun.
Speaker 14: It sounds like between the time I started to call
and what you're saying now that maybe somebody asked you
something similar to what I was gonna ask. Oh, the
GT twenty five. I'm just using that for an example.
You were talking about you can spend fifteen thousand dollars
on a gun or something. Well, let's just say you
had the GT twenty five, which is what sevteen hundred,
and you know how good it shoots, because I've got
one too, and that shoots great. Now let's just say
it one hundred yards. You were able to hit the
bulls eye. So then that day Ruger comes out with
another one similar to it for fifteen thousand, and you
shoot that one. Same guy shoots that one and it
hits the bulls. I just perfect. Where is the other
ten thousand dollars worth of stuff in the gun? I mean,
I mean, what's different about it to make it?
Speaker 6: I remember, Okay, I gotta tell you, I love this
Jason Burton. Bill's some of the most beautiful nineteen elevens anywhere.
They're stunning. And I remember asking them many years ago,
you know about his guns. They were eight thousand dollars
then now they're like fifteen thousand dollars for nineteen eleven.
And I asked him, I said, how do you get
how do you make a fifteen thousand dollars nineteen eleven?
He said, I polish it until I can get fifteen
thousand dollars for it. He laughed, but he was actually serious.
It is the amount of handwork that goes into it.
Is it gonna shoot any better? Very likely not. We
get to a certain point on these where it's I
just love the mechanics of it. I love the fact
that everything was hand fitted. And yeah, at a certain point, yeah,
they're going to shoot better. I mean when you move
to a Nighthawk customer Wilson comm a CYLINDERD slide when
you're uped into three, four or five thousand dollars range
on nineteen eleven's they're gonna be really nice.
Speaker 5: But and you know the drill you shoot these guns.
You got the GT.
Speaker 6: Twenty five he's referring to as the gun Talk gun
that we made.
Speaker 5: It was a out of the custom shop.
Speaker 6: From Remy Ruger rather and it's a ten milimeters nineteen
eleven and it shoots great. I guess let me ask
you the question, how do you like your GT. Twenty five?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 14: I think it's wonderful. For it's just perfect.
Speaker 6: It does okay, And then there are you could go
to Wilson Combat or Nighthawk Custom and pay twice or
three or four times as much and maybe you get
a few features that you like and maybe you're able
to tell them, Okay, I want it with this, and
I want it with that, and it's a custom made gun.
I think we can both agree it's not necessary. It's
just what we like. At a certain point. Aren't we
just getting what we like? It's like different boats or something.
Speaker 14: Oh, absolutely, I wasn't. I wasn't taking on anything, but
just I'm just trying to understand where the extra money,
what are you paying for it?
Speaker 5: You know, you're paying for handwork.
Speaker 6: You're paying for somebody to polish every little part. It's
like that cylinder and slide forty five I had made
Bill Lafferd's shop. I mean, they are polishing every part
and making sure that everything fits exactly right, and they're
lapping the barrels and they're lapping the rails, and they're
doing the handwork that a company cannot afford to do
on a production gun. It just you know, runs the
price up. But if you want to pay for it
and you like it, and there's a a lot of
what you're paying for, honestly, I think is pride of ownership.
And that's kind of where the GT twenty five came in.
We tried to split the difference. It was a production
gun but out of the custom shop. So that particular
pistol you have there's a lot of hand lapping. The
slider frame is hand lapped.
Speaker 5: Everything.
Speaker 6: We put custom parts in it from actually from Soulder
and slides about them. So you have a quasi custom
slash production pistol there, which is a nice place to
be and there are several companies doing that right now.
Dan Wesson does that, but essentially in that twenty five
hundred dollars range on the nineteen elevens are very nice.
Speaker 5: So you know, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I guess the answer is, when you pay a lot
of money, you're probably paying for a lot of handwork.
Whether it's worth it to you or not is a
different deal. Look, I appreciate the calls, Jim.
Speaker 5: That's one of the questions.
Speaker 6: I get a lot, and I've always laughed at it,
and maybe I shouldn't laugh at it. People say, yeah,
but whatever it is, fill in the blake, is it
worth it? Is it worth it to get a upgraded gun?
Dan West a cz or? I don't know.
Speaker 5: Only you can tell me if it's worth it.
Speaker 6: If it's it may be worth it to me, it
may not be worth it to you, or vice versa.
And depending on the thing. If you said, well, I
like my M and P glock whatever it is, plastic,
fantastic and that's all I need. Cool and it will
work and it will do everything you wanted to do.
But if you said, you know, but I've always wanted
a fill in the blank, whatever it is at that
point only you can decide what is worth it to you.
I just people say, well, it's just not worth it
to pay that much. Well, it is to somebody, or
they wouldn't be selling them.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: Let's go get Kenny online three out of Yuca, Arizona.
Hey Kenny, you're on gun Talk.
Speaker 5: What's up, Hi, Tom?
Speaker 12: I'm curious about how the militia is organized in the
modern passion.
Speaker 6: Are women included in it?
Speaker 5: Ah?
Speaker 6: That is a really good question. The answer, I would
think would have to be yes. About the modern militia.
The Militia Act says that it is people bodied men.
I think like from eighteen to I can't remember forty something,
but it's an old law, and I'm guessing that maybe
women would have to be included.
Speaker 5: What do you think.
Speaker 12: I'm curious as if it's ever been updated.
Speaker 5: Do they even pay attention to it?
Speaker 6: Not?
Speaker 5: Really?
Speaker 6: I mean we do, because you know, the Second Amendment
says a well regulated militia, So we pay attention to
the word militia. And I'm not sure most people in
the public, certainly most politicians don't pay a lot of
attention to the concept of a militia. But it's a
good question. You know what I'll do next time I
get one of these constitutional scholars on here, I'm going
to ask them, look, are women included in the militia?
In fact, we'll throw it out there. Well, what do
people think I mean the militia? Is it just able
bodied men? Is it just able by man of a
certain age, or is it all people in the country
or actually form up the unorganized militia? Please, please, please
don't tell me it's the National Guard, because that is
not the militia.
Speaker 5: Okay, it's just not.
Speaker 6: Skip is in Mississippi on line five, Skip talk to
me arrange.
Speaker 11: A part, Yes, sir. PR fifty seven took about two
years for me to get my hands on one, so
I was gonna go through things real quick. Yeah, it does.
It does have a rather long travel after the first
shot for the trigger to reset more than that shot
could be fired. I confirmed that I was using regular
federal full jacket ammunition, and I had four failure to
feed issues that I suspected to be an AMMO issue
the tip of the round edge of the feed ramp.
So the manufacturer suggested polymer tiff M. I've already got
some and I'll take some of that back to the range.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 11: One thing I did like about it for sure that
the limited recoil and reduced muscle rise is a definite plus.
Oh yeah, a velocity.
Speaker 6: The five point seven round just has almost no recoil to.
Speaker 1: Speak of exactly.
Speaker 11: And put another way, the rounds has zero drop until
after it's traveled like fifty yards.
Speaker 5: Yes, oh it's amazing. Now.
Speaker 6: The other the flip side of that is it's kind
of loud, isn't it.
Speaker 13: A little bit?
Speaker 11: But i'd have double hearing protections.
Speaker 5: So there you go. There you go.
Speaker 6: Well, that's a great range aboard. I like five sevens
and I think they're becoming more popular. AMMO is more
available and maybe I don't know if it's any less expensive,
but I think easier to find. But yeah, and now
you of course you can get a five point seven
and a pistol. There are a lot of different brands
being made as well as car beings, so kind of
fun stuff. Five sevens are tons of fun. Hey, I
want to give a quick update. In our interview with
Stephen Katowski earlier, he was talking about in Virginia that
the only the enforcement by the state police was being enjoined.
Speaker 5: That has changed.
Speaker 6: We have a new ruling there, and so the assau
weapons ban in Virginia has essentially been stopped.
Speaker 5: It's been stayed for right now.
Speaker 6: There are still several lawsuits challenging that new ban on
semi automatic firearms in the state of Virginia the Commonwealth
of Virginia at the same time when the Supreme Court's
got to be taking it up on a national basis.
So there's a lot of things going on. That picture
is changing all the time. If you want to stay
up on that, follow me on X where I have
the updates there as well. Again, I am at Gun
Talk over there. I'll have those updates for you also,
of course, the Virginia Citizens Defense League has the updates
there as well. There's also a development a new circuit court,
Federal Circuit Court is the rule that a ban on
semi automatic rifles is perfectly constitution and there's nothing wrong
with banning ar fifteens. At the same time as the
Supreme courts take it up, I'm not sure what they're doing,
but I'll give you a little bit more information about
that when we come back again.
Speaker 5: Our number is eighty.
Speaker 6: Six six Talk Gun I'm Tom Gresham, as I.
Speaker 5: Talked to you today. Today is July twelve for those
who are listening to this.
Speaker 6: Later on last night, South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham died,
most likely of a heart attack. They haven't announced that yet,
but that's probably what happened. People either loved him or
hated him, sometimes both, sometimes switched back and forth. A
lot of people said he went back and forth on issues.
I think he in a lot of ways went with
sometimes he changed his view. He was based on the
information to get got changed. Whether you like that or not,
that's just that's your thing. You can figure that out.
Something I did not know about Senator Graham just learned
when I was looking him up. Thirty three years in
the United States Air Force, active duty and reserves as
a JAG officer, retired as a colonel in the US
Air Force. Never knew that. There's also Although you might
not connect the dots right off the bat, that's what
I'm here for, so I do for you. We would
not have the AR fifteen band going to the United
States Supreme Court without Lindsey Graham. What what do you mean, Tom,
It's real simple. Actually, Lindsey Graham in his speech at
the Brett Cavanaugh confirmation hearing, stopped the assaults, stopped the
scurrilous attacks, And Lindsey Graham single handedly got Judge Brett
Kavanaugh into the role of Justice Brett Cavanaugh. And without
that happening, this Air fifteen case Viamontes would not have
been taken by the United States Supreme Court. And I
have every confidence in saying that the Supreme Court is
going to strike down these bands on these commonly owned guns.
So there's gonna be a lot of noise than there
is right now about Lindsey Graham, what he did, what
he didn't do politics. I mean, he was a political animal.
Evidently he was pretty funny. I never got all that
but the things being posted online with some really funny
stories about him. But when you think about him, I
guess I would offer two thoughts. One is that he
served for thirty three years in the US Air Force,
obviously served in political office as well, retired as a colonel.
And also he gave us Brett Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court.
And to my way of thinking, I don't think we
would be where we are today the Second Amendment cases
if we didn't have Justice Kavanaugh and so putting aside
everything else.
Speaker 5: And you know me, I.
Speaker 6: Always tell people. They always people say, well, Tom, but
he did this, but he did that. But I'd always
say stop, stop. Understand. I'm a one issue person. I'm
a Second Amendment guy. If you're helping me on the
Second Amendment, I may grit my teeth and hold my
nose on other issues that where we disagree. But if
you're going to help me on Second Amendment, then that's okay.
I'm gonna support you.
Speaker 5: Yep. But he yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, there's no but.
Speaker 6: He he got us Brett Cavanaugh. Brett Kavanaugh got us
the cases that we just won, two of them in
the Supreme Court Second Amendment cases, and he got us
the second the semiautom Band that's before the Supreme Court
that we're going to win. So for that and for
your service, Colonel Lindsey Graham, I appreciate it. Godspeed and
best wishes to his family. There's a time to be
magnanimous into have some class. I'm saying a lot that's
not that way on the internet. There you go, you're
right back to more gun talk.