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Now here's Tom. 12 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 4: That was at the range on July fourth. 13 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,159 Speaker 5: Then oh, all the AARs were gone. 14 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 4: And that's not something I've ever seen in my life. 15 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:03,079 Yea in Pennsylvania, whole life, so never had the experience 16 00:01:03,119 --> 00:01:06,599 that before. And it was not it's not pleasant to see. 17 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 6: That's how they actually wanted to be is there are 18 00:01:10,599 --> 00:01:13,359 no ars at the range at all. All right, welcome 19 00:01:13,359 --> 00:01:16,000 again to gun Talk. I am Tom Gresham, and you 20 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:17,319 know what you can be a part of this. Just 21 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,239 give me a call eight six to six Talk Gun 22 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,200 or Tom Talk Gun. That'll get you in here. We 23 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,519 do this every week and we'll talk anything from technical guns, 24 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,000 m reloading, all the rest of it. But of course 25 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,439 you got to talk politics, and when you talk politics, 26 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:30,920 it's the Second Amendment. 27 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,079 Speaker 5: And you know, honestly, I think we're in. 28 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 6: A pretty special place right now because there's just so 29 00:01:36,239 --> 00:01:39,640 many good things happening, and honestly, one of the very 30 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,359 best places for you to keep informed on this is 31 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,760 the Reload. It was started by and founded by Steve 32 00:01:44,879 --> 00:01:46,480 Katowski joins us right now. 33 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 5: Steven, I am. 34 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 6: Personally really excited because I've been doing this for so 35 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,799 long and now I see all of these outfits that 36 00:01:52,879 --> 00:01:55,680 are covering the Second Amendment in ways that we couldn't 37 00:01:55,719 --> 00:01:56,200 do before. 38 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,159 Speaker 5: When did you start the Reload. 39 00:01:58,599 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 4: I've started the Reload back in twenty twenty one. Sin 40 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:07,040 it's been five years now, Wow, going strong and focused 41 00:02:07,079 --> 00:02:09,719 on you know, hard news and an analysis, which is 42 00:02:09,759 --> 00:02:14,439 something I think the industry journalism sort of lacks a 43 00:02:14,439 --> 00:02:16,439 good approach to that and when it comes to firearms 44 00:02:16,719 --> 00:02:19,280 policy and politics and try to fill that gap. 45 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 6: You know, well, you brought your background as a journalist 46 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,879 to this and let's report on Second Amendment and gun rights. 47 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,520 And you've been doing that and it has become really 48 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,159 the go to source there are, and we know there 49 00:02:33,159 --> 00:02:35,400 are a lot of really good sources out there, but 50 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,360 you turn your people loose and you've got a number 51 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,599 of good reporters, writers, people you tap into and you 52 00:02:42,759 --> 00:02:46,919 have insight that a lot of people and outlets don't have. 53 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,879 So I just want to congratulate you on all the 54 00:02:48,879 --> 00:02:49,680 good work you're doing. 55 00:02:50,479 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 5: Thank you so much. 56 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 4: That's exactly what we strive for you and we try 57 00:02:53,159 --> 00:02:57,479 to be sober and serious and take a hard, hard 58 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,360 news approach to reporting on these issues us. 59 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 6: Well it is and those that want to know just 60 00:03:02,039 --> 00:03:04,039 go to the reload dot com. It is a subscription 61 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,719 based service and I just tell people, look, if you 62 00:03:06,759 --> 00:03:08,120 really want to be informed, if you want to be 63 00:03:08,159 --> 00:03:09,800 the smartest person in the room when it comes to 64 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,840 this stuff, you need to get the emails and some 65 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:18,039 of us available without the subscription, but for the best package. 66 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,039 You know, it's not expensive. I just tell people it's 67 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:21,800 really worthwhile. 68 00:03:22,039 --> 00:03:25,199 Speaker 4: And that's how we support ourselves. So we're not funded 69 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,520 by any major corporation or group. It's all the membership, 70 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,240 so we're accountable to the membership. 71 00:03:30,479 --> 00:03:33,159 Speaker 6: Okay, so you've been reporting on well, let's just say 72 00:03:33,199 --> 00:03:35,639 for five years. I've been reporting on this for fifty years. 73 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,520 But I keep telling people, I said, look, it's hard 74 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,800 for people who are relatively new in this to understand 75 00:03:43,639 --> 00:03:47,039 how far we have come, because there were times right 76 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,360 after GCA sixty eight, after the Brady Bill, after the 77 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,759 Clinton gun band, the Sought Weapons band, it just looked 78 00:03:53,759 --> 00:03:56,120 like it was a one way trip to gun ban 79 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,680 world and we were not going to ever make any 80 00:03:59,039 --> 00:04:02,840 progress on this. And what we're seeing now is in 81 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,840 my view, phenomenal and love to kind of get your 82 00:04:05,879 --> 00:04:06,400 take on it. 83 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's fair to say, right. I mean 84 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,759 that at one point, polling showed in the nineteen sixties 85 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:17,800 that handgun bands were overwhelmingly popular, and if you look 86 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,480 at the exact same pole from Gallop today, in the 87 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,879 most recent one, you know, it's incredibly unpopular in the 88 00:04:23,959 --> 00:04:28,600 twenty percent range. So things have really changed both culturally 89 00:04:28,639 --> 00:04:30,480 as well. You know, Leonard Skynyrd had a whole song 90 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,639 about banning hand guns at one point, right, which I'm 91 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,560 surely what a younger people would find that very strange, 92 00:04:39,439 --> 00:04:43,879 but it's true. And then certainly the legal landscape is 93 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:48,160 what's changed perhaps the most because you've got the Supreme Court. 94 00:04:48,759 --> 00:04:50,720 They took them until two thousand and eight to say 95 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,560 and the second Moment really does anything at all, right, 96 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:58,000 And they haven't exactly moved at a lightning pace to 97 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,160 build out their second amateurs, but that's kind of how the. 98 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:02,199 Speaker 5: Court works to be there. 99 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 4: It took them a century to build out the First Amendment, 100 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:11,639 your rescruitence. So now we're seeing though that kind of accelerate. 101 00:05:11,639 --> 00:05:14,560 We had two cases this year from the Supreme Court 102 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:19,240 in Wolford v. Lopez and usv. Comone, both Second Amendment 103 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:22,560 cases where the Court came down on the side of 104 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,959 the more expansive view of what the Second Amendment protects. 105 00:05:26,439 --> 00:05:31,240 And now I think most exciting of all if you 106 00:05:31,319 --> 00:05:35,480 follow the space, they've taken up finally an AR fifteen band, 107 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,160 which is going to be monumental. 108 00:05:38,199 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 5: I think when that drops. 109 00:05:39,879 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 6: It is they actually combined two cases. They'll be heard 110 00:05:42,759 --> 00:05:46,920 next session of the Supreme Court, and pretty much all 111 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,959 of the people who know what they're doing, who are 112 00:05:49,959 --> 00:05:52,800 handicapping this on either side of the aisle, on either 113 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,079 side of the gun issue, are saying the Supreme Court 114 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,199 is going to come back and destroy the bands on 115 00:05:58,439 --> 00:05:59,279 AR fifteens. 116 00:05:59,519 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, we had a piece this week where we spoke 117 00:06:02,759 --> 00:06:05,720 to a number of second amended scholars from across the 118 00:06:05,759 --> 00:06:09,560 ideological spectrum. You know, people who study this for a 119 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:14,920 living books like David Kopple, an Independence Institute, Andrew Willinger's 120 00:06:14,959 --> 00:06:19,839 Georgia State University professor used to run Duke University's Firearms 121 00:06:19,959 --> 00:06:22,839 Law Center. You know, people on opposite sides of the 122 00:06:22,879 --> 00:06:25,519 spectrum comes to what they think about the secumentent. But 123 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,480 you're right, they all have, you know, preliminarily on first glance, 124 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,199 they all seem to be thinking the court's gone the 125 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,720 same direction, which is likely to strike down AR fifteen bands. 126 00:06:36,959 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 6: And where all of course always quick to say only 127 00:06:40,319 --> 00:06:42,800 a fool predicts what the Supreme Court is going to do, 128 00:06:42,879 --> 00:06:45,120 But in this case, they have given off a lot 129 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,600 of signs of where they want to go. And basically 130 00:06:50,399 --> 00:06:52,560 it appears they were waiting for the right case because 131 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,959 they turned down the Maryland case, Snope's case, and then 132 00:06:55,079 --> 00:06:57,000 but now they turn right around and they're going to 133 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,279 take this one. They were waiting for the right time 134 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,319 and probably don't you think waiting for the decisions in 135 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:04,360 Walford and Hermiani. 136 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems that way, right. We had in snoop 137 00:07:07,759 --> 00:07:13,000 the Maryland case, Justice Sprett Kavanaugh wrote a statement as 138 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:14,720 to why he didn't vote to take up that case, 139 00:07:14,759 --> 00:07:19,519 because you remember there were three votes Thomas, Dorsich and 140 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,839 Alito all said we should take the Maryland challenge. You 141 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,040 only need four to take it, so Kavanaugh could have 142 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,480 been that fourth, but he said, you know, I want 143 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,199 to wait a little bit. You know, he said, we'll 144 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,240 take this up in a turn or two. And that's 145 00:07:33,279 --> 00:07:35,680 exactly what they've done here, And you're right, they did 146 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,600 it right after issuing those other two Second Amendment decisions. 147 00:07:39,639 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think they were just basically setting it up 148 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,800 to be successful in this one, so that one of 149 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,199 the questions is, and you've talked to the experts, is 150 00:07:47,399 --> 00:07:49,600 people are saying, yeah, okay, it's an a OUR fifteen case, 151 00:07:49,639 --> 00:07:54,639 but we also want a decision on magazine capacity bands. 152 00:07:55,439 --> 00:07:58,839 Speaker 5: Is it possible are you hearing anything about them? 153 00:07:59,439 --> 00:08:02,879 Speaker 6: Maybe somehow combining that so that this AAR fifteen case 154 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,199 ends up covering that as well. 155 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 4: You know, it's I had Stephen Hallbrook, another prominent Second 156 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,199 Amendment lawyer, has been in this game as long as 157 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:10,480 you have. 158 00:08:10,639 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 5: Hallbrook is the OG. I mean, he is the guy 159 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:14,160 that you want to listen to. 160 00:08:14,439 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, and super prominent person, was there back in 161 00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:22,160 the seventies at the beginning of the legal movement on 162 00:08:22,199 --> 00:08:26,839 the Second Amendment. And yeah, he thinks that it's likely 163 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,920 this decision in the AR case is going to have 164 00:08:29,959 --> 00:08:32,679 a major impact on the magazine cases. 165 00:08:32,759 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 5: Right. 166 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 4: I think it's a little more straightforward to do the 167 00:08:35,919 --> 00:08:41,720 AR fifteen thans because there's less dispute, at least theoretical 168 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,440 dispute over whether or not they're arms. 169 00:08:44,399 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 6: Our magazine arms. Are they actually covered by the Secondmendment. 170 00:08:47,279 --> 00:08:48,879 We're going to get there, that's going to happen. I 171 00:08:48,879 --> 00:08:50,960 got to switch real quickly because you're in Virginia and 172 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,000 you were telling me when you went to the range. 173 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,320 It's a different world right now. And I know that 174 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,559 we're looking forward to this decision on AAR fifteen's, but 175 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,679 in Virginia right now you're under basically have AR. 176 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. 177 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 4: I mean, we had two Pillarin injunctions that were issued 178 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:08,960 against enforcement of this law before it went into effect 179 00:09:09,039 --> 00:09:14,519 on July first. However, unfortunately for gunners in Virginia and 180 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,960 gun dealers, especially the injunctions only block the state police 181 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,919 and a couple of what are called commonwealth attorneys, which 182 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,559 are basically local prosecutors. They don't block every law enforcement 183 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,799 officer in the state. So in theory, if you tried 184 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,320 to buy or sell an ar today, you could be 185 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,080 arrested for it. And the Attorney General has made it 186 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,679 clear that he that's his interpretation of these rulings. They 187 00:09:38,759 --> 00:09:41,440 only enjoyed these certain parties, so the effect has been 188 00:09:42,639 --> 00:09:43,320 you can't buy him. 189 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:43,759 Speaker 5: There you go. 190 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 4: I was at the range on July fourth, taking some 191 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,279 beginner shooters out, and you know, I obviously there's plenty 192 00:09:50,279 --> 00:09:52,360 of people who lived in states that have this kind 193 00:09:52,399 --> 00:09:55,159 of band that I've never lived in one before, and 194 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,279 it was pretty eerie. I've seen the empty shelves and 195 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,240 there is a bit feel felt, to be honest with you, 196 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,679 felt a bit dystopian. Shelves are empty. You can't buy them. 197 00:10:04,759 --> 00:10:07,200 They're now and say them. Maybe that'll change soon. These 198 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,120 cases are moving very quickly, but for now that that's 199 00:10:11,159 --> 00:10:11,720 the reality. 200 00:10:12,159 --> 00:10:13,919 Speaker 5: Overall, we're in a good place. I know. 201 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 6: We've had a lot of lower courts ignore or thumber 202 00:10:17,159 --> 00:10:22,360 noses that are actually purposely try to undo Heller and Ruin, 203 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,639 and now the Supreme Court is going to come back 204 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,840 and say, no, we actually meant it. You're going to 205 00:10:26,879 --> 00:10:28,799 have to pay attention to us, to you lower courts, 206 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,559 not that this is going to end it, because this 207 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,320 is always going to go on. There's always going to 208 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:33,399 be this fight, isn't there. 209 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's absolutely right. But you're I think 210 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,159 you're right in the fact that the Supreme Court does 211 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,159 seem to be going in to stand up for it 212 00:10:42,159 --> 00:10:45,879 its decisions and its precedents. You can see that Money 213 00:10:45,879 --> 00:10:51,480 and Wolfe, especially in Wolford, because Wolford is basically that 214 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,759 was the Vampire rules. This response to the Bruin ruling, right, 215 00:10:55,039 --> 00:10:58,279 they said, you can't do may issue permitting. That's unconstitutional. 216 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,559 So what did some of these states too? They said, 217 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,840 all right, fine, we'll give out permits, but. 218 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 5: We're going to make it carry. 219 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 4: And so you know that's important if you care about 220 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,720 the Court's precedents, if you care about its Second Amendment, 221 00:11:11,799 --> 00:11:14,559 jurisprudence and what you know, they need to go down 222 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,879 and tell Although, to be honest, a lot of the 223 00:11:16,879 --> 00:11:20,159 lower courts in that case, Vampire rule was so out 224 00:11:20,159 --> 00:11:22,679 of bounds that most of the even the left wing 225 00:11:22,799 --> 00:11:26,679 courts had ruled against those laws except for this Hawaii one. 226 00:11:26,919 --> 00:11:30,159 But you know, they're still there. They're being proactive about 227 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,000 making sure the lower courts get and the States themselves 228 00:11:34,399 --> 00:11:37,240 get what's going on here. But you're also right that 229 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,639 I think it's likely you're going to see it once 230 00:11:41,399 --> 00:11:43,600 ars are struck down. If that is the way the 231 00:11:43,639 --> 00:11:46,919 court goes, what's likely to happen, I think is the 232 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,240 States will start adopting what Colorado has, which is basically 233 00:11:50,279 --> 00:11:53,759 a permit to purchase system for so called assault weapons. Right, 234 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:55,960 So that's probably where things will go next. 235 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,039 Speaker 6: Anything they can come up with to make it more 236 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,960 difficult to act we own and use them, and also 237 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,279 to discourage people to getting them in the first place. 238 00:12:05,399 --> 00:12:08,440 So yeah, they're never going to give up with their resistance, 239 00:12:08,759 --> 00:12:10,960 which means we on our side can never give up 240 00:12:11,039 --> 00:12:13,480 on our advocacy and support of the Second Amendment. 241 00:12:13,879 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 4: And you know, I think it's important to note too 242 00:12:15,879 --> 00:12:18,679 that that would still be a pretty significant improvement for 243 00:12:18,879 --> 00:12:21,480 most people under these kinds of bands. You would still 244 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,159 be able to buy the guns, good point, to get 245 00:12:23,159 --> 00:12:25,919 through a permitting system, and maybe that permanting system will 246 00:12:25,919 --> 00:12:29,200 be on constitutional as well, depending on how you know 247 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,759 they go with this, right, it's still an improvement. I 248 00:12:32,919 --> 00:12:35,120 just you know, I don't want to make people feel 249 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,200 like nothing is changing. It's certainly changing. 250 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,399 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, No, I think are definitely improving, and I 251 00:12:39,399 --> 00:12:42,919 would encourage people to go check out the reload thereload 252 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:43,720 dot com. 253 00:12:43,759 --> 00:12:45,639 Speaker 5: Steven, thank you so much for what you're doing. 254 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 6: I applaud your efforts and success and it's just getting 255 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:49,720 better all the time. 256 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 4: Absolutely appreciate you having me on. 257 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 5: Love being on the show. 258 00:12:52,399 --> 00:12:54,159 Speaker 6: All right, thank you, all right, don't go very far. 259 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,159 We'll be right back with more gun talk. 260 00:12:56,519 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: Ruger our exam self defense focused. 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These aren't just guns. 302 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 5: Oh well, we're not fifty here. I'm Tom Gresham. 303 00:15:40,519 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 6: You can join us any time you want to by 304 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,159 give me a call at Tom Talk Gun. 305 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:45,519 Speaker 5: That's me. 306 00:15:45,759 --> 00:15:49,879 Speaker 6: I'm Tom. We Talk Guns. So the number is Tom 307 00:15:49,919 --> 00:15:52,320 Talk Gun. All right, we're open lines or anything you 308 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,799 want to talk about. Really seriously, it's about well, if 309 00:15:54,799 --> 00:15:57,559 it's about guns in some form of fashions got up 310 00:15:57,679 --> 00:16:01,679 somehow connected guns. All right, it's competition or hunting or 311 00:16:01,799 --> 00:16:06,759 gun rights or Second Amendment or collecting or whatever. I 312 00:16:06,799 --> 00:16:09,639 stirred it up a little bit this week. You never 313 00:16:09,679 --> 00:16:11,519 know what's going to happen. You never know what people 314 00:16:11,559 --> 00:16:15,320 are going to get riled up about. But over on 315 00:16:15,639 --> 00:16:19,320 x you know, formerly Twitter, where I am at gun talk, 316 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,279 and you should follow me over there, seriously, go over 317 00:16:22,279 --> 00:16:26,759 there to join x X dot com and look for me. 318 00:16:26,879 --> 00:16:30,200 I am at gun talk. Follow me there. You will 319 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,440 see all the stuff that we're doing. It's it's quite entertaining. 320 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:39,080 Let's just say that. So I posted something that essentially said, hey, look, 321 00:16:39,159 --> 00:16:40,840 I know there are a lot of really good guns 322 00:16:41,039 --> 00:16:45,799 that are inexpensive, but we also now have a lot 323 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:50,080 of guns in the I'm talking pistols, particularly in the 324 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,679 twenty five hundred to five thousand dollars range, and said, 325 00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:54,440 you know, basically looking at Schustacato. 326 00:16:54,559 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 5: Because you reshaped reset. 327 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 6: The marketplace, there was a time when no one would 328 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,720 have imagined paying twenty five hundred bucks three thousand dollars 329 00:17:05,759 --> 00:17:08,680 for a pistol. And now you know a lot of 330 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,920 these double stacked nineteen eleven's are up there and beyond. 331 00:17:14,519 --> 00:17:18,200 But what was interesting to me was the reaction where 332 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:25,440 people would say, well, that's just stupid. Nobody needs spend 333 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,119 more than one thousand dollars on a pistol. If you 334 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,279 can't hit anything with a five hundred dollars pistol, you 335 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,480 got no business buying a five thousand dollar pistol. 336 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:34,799 Speaker 5: On and on and on. 337 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 6: The same people, by the way, who would tell the 338 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,640 anti gunners when they say no one needs an AR 339 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,319 fifteen They would say, well, need has nothing to do 340 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,559 with it, But then turn right around and say, well 341 00:17:46,599 --> 00:17:49,279 you don't need an expensive pistol. 342 00:17:49,839 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 5: Well, no you don't. I would agree, but maybe you 343 00:17:54,039 --> 00:17:55,720 want it. I don't know. 344 00:17:55,759 --> 00:17:57,599 Speaker 6: I just I would love to get your take on it. 345 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,680 When you look at guns out there, and I remember, 346 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,359 there are a lot of different uses for them, a 347 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:07,240 lot of different reasons for having different pistols, pistols being 348 00:18:07,319 --> 00:18:11,680 in this case handguns, revolvers also, So what do you 349 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,759 think five hundred dollars one thousand, fifteen hundred, twenty five 350 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,119 five thousand more, But you can get ad Jason Burton, 351 00:18:19,799 --> 00:18:22,920 nineteen eleven. But it's going to cost you twelve to 352 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:27,480 fifteen thousand dollars for a single nineteen eleven pistol, and 353 00:18:27,519 --> 00:18:30,480 people are lined up for years to get them. So 354 00:18:31,519 --> 00:18:33,480 I don't know so right or wrong to it? You 355 00:18:33,599 --> 00:18:35,640 tell me? Give me a call it Tom talk gun. 356 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,480 Also of course looking for your your range reports as well. 357 00:18:39,559 --> 00:18:43,799 Speaker 5: Let's see. Let's talk to Blue out of Las Vegas, Nevada. Blue, 358 00:18:43,839 --> 00:18:45,279 you're on the air. How can we help you? 359 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 11: Awesome? 360 00:18:47,799 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 12: Hey, I had a question about gropping a handgun. So 361 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:54,920 you know, I've heard you talk about group and a 362 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,839 real tight to help minimize recoil. But it seems like 363 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,039 wheneveryone really, you know, give all. I got to grip 364 00:19:01,519 --> 00:19:04,119 the pistol starts the you know, wobble around a bit. 365 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:09,400 I'm having trouble keeping the sight steady. 366 00:19:09,519 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 5: So what kind of pistol are we talking about? 367 00:19:13,599 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 12: I got a Gen six nineteen. 368 00:19:16,279 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 5: Glog Nice Okay, good pistol? Love it? Uh? Do you 369 00:19:20,799 --> 00:19:21,279 like the gun? 370 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 13: Yeah? 371 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 12: I'm enjoying it, quite of it. 372 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 5: Okay. 373 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:25,759 Speaker 13: Uh. 374 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 5: Let's talk grip for a second. Uh. Do you shoot 375 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,359 right handed? Yes? Sir? Okay. 376 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 6: First order of business is to get your hand as 377 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,319 high as possible on the grip the right hand just 378 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,200 way up high into that beaver tail into that just 379 00:19:41,279 --> 00:19:42,920 I mean, just run it up on the grip as 380 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:43,480 high as you can. 381 00:19:43,839 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 5: That's the first thing you got to do, all right. 382 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:47,319 Then you just. 383 00:19:47,319 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 6: Kind of wrap your fingers to the right hand around 384 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,000 and then you take that left hand and press it basically, 385 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,519 just fingers straight out and press your left hand into 386 00:19:57,559 --> 00:20:00,680 the left side of the gun with your fingers straight out, 387 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,319 thumb pointing straight up, and then just wrap your fingers 388 00:20:03,319 --> 00:20:06,519 of your left hand around the fingers of your right hand. 389 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,720 Nice good firm grip and about the same amount of 390 00:20:09,759 --> 00:20:12,039 pressure right side and left side. You know, whether you're 391 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,039 squeezing it or like for all your worth or seventy percent, 392 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,119 or it doesn't really matter at that point. Now we're 393 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:20,920 just trying to work the trigger. Now, let me ask 394 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,880 you a question when you say the sites are wobbling. 395 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,599 Two questions. One, how far are we shoed mores of 396 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:29,079 the distance? 397 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 12: Twelve yards? 398 00:20:32,799 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 5: Okay? 399 00:20:33,799 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 6: And how much are the sites wobbling? Are they going 400 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:37,279 off the paper? 401 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 5: No, they're not. 402 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 3: Right. 403 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 5: They just did just wobbling. 404 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,079 Speaker 6: Just got a little bit of movement in the sits 405 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:51,480 right right, Okay. You're gonna hate this answer. But you're 406 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,279 gonna love the results. The answer is it doesn't matter. 407 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,359 It really doesn't that the sites are moving around. And 408 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,200 I'm going to prove it to you. Next time you 409 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,640 go to the range, do this experiment for me. You're 410 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,720 gonna think I am insane, right, but seriously, try it. 411 00:21:10,519 --> 00:21:12,640 Get all lined up, Let these sights wobble and all 412 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,680 that in about a half a second, get ready, finger 413 00:21:15,759 --> 00:21:17,839 on the trigger, ready to go, and half a second 414 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,319 before you pull the trigger, close your eyes and then 415 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:26,640 pull the trigger seriously, and then open your eyes and 416 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,839 get you your focus right back on that front side. 417 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,799 Speaker 5: Are using a red dot or front or. 418 00:21:31,759 --> 00:21:34,599 Speaker 11: Iron sights or there's a red dot on it? 419 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 5: Okay, you're fine with the red dot. That's fine. 420 00:21:37,759 --> 00:21:41,079 Speaker 6: Again, get the dot on the target, get everything set up, 421 00:21:41,599 --> 00:21:43,519 close your eyes and press the trigger about a half 422 00:21:43,559 --> 00:21:46,240 a second later with shoot with your eyes closed, open 423 00:21:46,279 --> 00:21:48,119 your eyes and watch where the bullets go. 424 00:21:48,319 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 5: They're all going to go exactly. 425 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 6: Where you want them to go, even though the red 426 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,880 dot is wobbling. The problem is one of the problems. 427 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,920 The red dot shows you the movement. It's a natural 428 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,839 amount of movement. We all get It's okay, let it 429 00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:04,200 the focus on pressing the trigger, try the closing your 430 00:22:04,279 --> 00:22:07,759 eyes before you shoot deal and see what you think 431 00:22:07,839 --> 00:22:09,880 and then call us back in a week or two 432 00:22:10,079 --> 00:22:11,680 and let me know how it works out for you. 433 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,319 I think you're gonna like it, and then you'll stop 434 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:15,920 worrying about the dot. 435 00:22:15,759 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 5: Moving around and just let it happen. 436 00:22:18,279 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 6: But it's okay. Let the dot wobble, press the trigger. 437 00:22:21,519 --> 00:22:23,160 The bullet's gonna go where you want it to go. 438 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,440 Our number here is eighty six six Talk Gun or 439 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,880 Tom Talk Gun. I have Tom Gresham. We're off the lines. 440 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,160 If we're looking for your arrange reports, what's working for 441 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:40,559 you and maybe what's not a we're having fun around here. 442 00:22:40,599 --> 00:22:44,599 We just talk about melt guns and shooting and pistols, rifles, shotguns, 443 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,759 it doesn't really matter. I'm talking about gunsmithing. 444 00:22:46,839 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 5: Oh yeah. 445 00:22:47,279 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 6: Later on the show today we're gonna be talking a 446 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,559 little bit about gunsmithing. Is that's still a viable way 447 00:22:52,599 --> 00:22:55,680 to make a living? Well, we'll answer that question. Also, 448 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,960 we're gonna have some talk about using AI official intelligence 449 00:23:01,759 --> 00:23:05,839 to promote gun rights and talk to somebody who's doing 450 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,480 that very effectively. If you'd like to be part of 451 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,480 this give me a Colleage six six talk gun. We 452 00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:13,119 love to get the range of boards where he'd been 453 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,680 out shooting. I think he bought anything he was thinking 454 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,319 about buy it for that met up. I got a 455 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,160 new one over here, and it's driving me crazy. 456 00:23:19,559 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 5: I picked it up. 457 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,559 Speaker 6: I was going to go shoot it yesterday actually at 458 00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:25,680 the steel challenge we have, and then I threw out 459 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,079 my back a couple of days ago, couldn't even stand 460 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,200 up partly yesterday. It's like, okay, this is not going 461 00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:33,279 to work. So typically, and this is not the first time. 462 00:23:33,319 --> 00:23:36,400 Typically it's about a week to get over it. So we're, uh, 463 00:23:37,599 --> 00:23:40,240 we're broadcasting day on pain meds that may show up. 464 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,079 No telling what we're going to end up doing later 465 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,000 on today. All right, let's go to the phones line five. 466 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,920 Stu is with us out of Camilla. Camellia, Georgia. 467 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,279 Speaker 7: Hey, Stu. 468 00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 13: All right, well, it's my birthday week, so you know 469 00:23:53,559 --> 00:24:01,640 I had no al right to my bowl Armory Cherokee 470 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,720 nine millimeter that wound up costing me six hundred and 471 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,960 fifty nine dollars, but it's sold on guns dot Com 472 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,680 for two eighty nine. I wound up getting the wrong 473 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:17,839 contract never buy that on a automotive lease, Predova, shame 474 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,880 on you. But my gun I bought is a beautiful 475 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,920 g X two Taurus. It is the most comfortable gun 476 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,640 I have ever shown. And this is my n perfect. Now. 477 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,240 I'm a big guy. I'm six four, three hundred pounds, 478 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,799 but I can get it in the ar. The NRA 479 00:24:34,079 --> 00:24:38,240 grip perfectly, and I can hit everywhere I'm looking. I 480 00:24:38,319 --> 00:24:41,680 totally recommend this gun. They're under three hundred dollars, and 481 00:24:42,039 --> 00:24:44,119 best of all, if I need to get work on it, 482 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,079 I live twenty miles from the factory. 483 00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:49,039 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's right. 484 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,519 Speaker 6: Okay, So let me ask me what how did you 485 00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:55,480 get What was the process you used to decide to 486 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,799 buy this gun? Did you go look at it? Did 487 00:24:57,839 --> 00:24:59,599 you try it out? Or did you just read about it? 488 00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:00,519 What'd you do? 489 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 14: Well? 490 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 13: I was so frustrated with the other gun. I traded 491 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,519 it in and they gave me a nice allowance, and 492 00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:09,799 I said, wait a minute, that gun looks really good. 493 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,839 It looks like something straight out of H and K 494 00:25:13,319 --> 00:25:16,200 and LO and behold it's a Taurus and it has 495 00:25:16,279 --> 00:25:19,680 you know, the you know, safe action trigger, but also 496 00:25:19,759 --> 00:25:23,640 has a manual slide safety if I need that. The 497 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,200 only thing I've added to it is a fluorescent front site. 498 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,680 And I understand there's an aftermarket threaded barrel that I'll 499 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,559 be looking at shortly, so I'm good to go as 500 00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:34,720 far as guns right now. 501 00:25:35,599 --> 00:25:38,039 Speaker 5: Now, why the threaded barrel? Do you have a suppressor 502 00:25:38,079 --> 00:25:38,759 you want to put on it? 503 00:25:39,839 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 13: Well, as you know, we can even go hunting here 504 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:47,160 in Geordia with suppressors, and they're really popular now and 505 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,079 it's apparently it's easier to get them, so I would 506 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,880 like to have one at night. We do have a 507 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,119 problem with raccoons who seem to think that my garbage 508 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,599 can is a restaurant, and I need to take care 509 00:25:58,640 --> 00:25:59,279 of that problem. 510 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 6: All right. Well, that's a good range report there, and yeah, 511 00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:05,920 I agree with you. Trus is making some really nice guns. 512 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,039 Thanks for the call, appreciate that. And look, I readily 513 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,079 acknowledge understand Taurus did not have a great reputation for 514 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,440 a while, and they worked really hard to maintain that 515 00:26:16,519 --> 00:26:20,920 bad reputation by not making great guns and not servicing 516 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,200 very well. It's a new company, it's a new management, 517 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,559 and they are really getting it right now. It just 518 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,119 takes a long time to overcome a bad reputation and 519 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,319 when you talk to them. I mean, we have Caleb 520 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,759 Gettings on the show occasionally from Taurus. He says yeah, 521 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,759 he says, I understand because he's a gun guy. He says, 522 00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:42,119 I know what it was then, I know what it 523 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,799 is now. He says, it was that then and now 524 00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:46,119 it's so much better. It's really making good stuff. So 525 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,240 just one of those things that kind of you go, Okay, 526 00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:54,200 who am I listening to? I often find that you 527 00:26:54,319 --> 00:26:57,559 have to be careful. You have to vet who you're 528 00:26:57,599 --> 00:27:01,559 listening to. If somebody start it's bad mouthing a particular 529 00:27:01,599 --> 00:27:05,480 product or a brand or whatever you want to First 530 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,039 of all, I want to say, do you own one? 531 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,720 Often what I hear is no, I've never owned one 532 00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:13,519 of those. But they're gonna bad mouth you. Go okay, 533 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,480 you don't mind if my discount pretty much everything you say, 534 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,240 then okay. And then if they say, yeah, I owned one, 535 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,319 and when was that, well yeah twenty years ago, Okay, fine, 536 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,400 that was then, this is now. It's just part of 537 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,279 the vetting process. And obviously online the problem is online 538 00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:34,319 everybody has an opinion, and it's usually a strong opinion. 539 00:27:35,519 --> 00:27:38,000 It's kind of like when I posted the thing about 540 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,359 five hundred dollars pistols versus five thousand dollar pistols. Holy cow, 541 00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:45,279 you'd think I had insulted a dog or something. It's 542 00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:47,920 like I wouldn't get one of those. Well you don't 543 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,359 have to. That's the beauty of the whole thing. Well, 544 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,960 it's like a prefos caller be three hundred bucks for 545 00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:56,680 a gun that he really likes. That's okay, it's great. 546 00:27:57,759 --> 00:28:01,480 There's a gun for every budget. And I was trying 547 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,519 to explain a little bit of this. I said, look, 548 00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:07,519 you know, you can buy a watch at Walmart for 549 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:11,039 twenty nine dollars, put a battery in it, and it 550 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,960 runs perfectly. It will to keep great time, and it 551 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,119 will do everything you needed to do. Or you can 552 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:25,000 buy a mechanical watch for five or ten thousand dollars 553 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,200 or obviously a whole lot more than that, and a 554 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,759 lot of people do. They're really into the fine mechanical watches. 555 00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 5: Cool. 556 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 6: Fine, they might keep time as well as the twenty 557 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,960 nine dollars one, but probably won't. Honestly, the mechanical watch 558 00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:39,799 I've been wearing, I'm looking at it right now. I've 559 00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:44,079 been wearing the same mechanical watch since nineteen sixty nine. Yeah, 560 00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:48,440 you do the numbers on that one, and it I 561 00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:51,680 had to lose a couple of minutes a week for 562 00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:55,480 every two weeks. So it's not perfect, it's not great. 563 00:28:55,559 --> 00:28:59,680 It's just what I like. And doesn't it come down 564 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,960 about lot. It's kind of like, that's just the thing 565 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,400 I like. Okay, all right, let's go talk to gim 566 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:06,640 in Medford online one. 567 00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:07,759 Speaker 5: Hey, Jump, you're up. 568 00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 14: How are you doing? Tom? It's nice to hear you. 569 00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:11,599 Speaker 5: I'm having fun. 570 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,039 Speaker 14: It sounds like between the time I started to call 571 00:29:16,119 --> 00:29:18,799 and what you're saying now that maybe somebody asked you 572 00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:22,920 something similar to what I was gonna ask. Oh, the 573 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,000 GT twenty five. I'm just using that for an example. 574 00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:29,279 You were talking about you can spend fifteen thousand dollars 575 00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:32,119 on a gun or something. Well, let's just say you 576 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,519 had the GT twenty five, which is what sevteen hundred, 577 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,200 and you know how good it shoots, because I've got 578 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,759 one too, and that shoots great. Now let's just say 579 00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:42,559 it one hundred yards. You were able to hit the 580 00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:46,079 bulls eye. So then that day Ruger comes out with 581 00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:49,759 another one similar to it for fifteen thousand, and you 582 00:29:49,799 --> 00:29:52,240 shoot that one. Same guy shoots that one and it 583 00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:55,920 hits the bulls. I just perfect. Where is the other 584 00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:59,759 ten thousand dollars worth of stuff in the gun? I mean, 585 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,839 I mean, what's different about it to make it? 586 00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:06,119 Speaker 6: I remember, Okay, I gotta tell you, I love this 587 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,839 Jason Burton. Bill's some of the most beautiful nineteen elevens anywhere. 588 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,240 They're stunning. And I remember asking them many years ago, 589 00:30:16,039 --> 00:30:18,319 you know about his guns. They were eight thousand dollars 590 00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:20,880 then now they're like fifteen thousand dollars for nineteen eleven. 591 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,079 And I asked him, I said, how do you get 592 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,400 how do you make a fifteen thousand dollars nineteen eleven? 593 00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:32,559 He said, I polish it until I can get fifteen 594 00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:37,200 thousand dollars for it. He laughed, but he was actually serious. 595 00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:40,039 It is the amount of handwork that goes into it. 596 00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:45,359 Is it gonna shoot any better? Very likely not. We 597 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,599 get to a certain point on these where it's I 598 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,920 just love the mechanics of it. I love the fact 599 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,359 that everything was hand fitted. And yeah, at a certain point, yeah, 600 00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:57,079 they're going to shoot better. I mean when you move 601 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,960 to a Nighthawk customer Wilson comm a CYLINDERD slide when 602 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,519 you're uped into three, four or five thousand dollars range 603 00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:08,039 on nineteen eleven's they're gonna be really nice. 604 00:31:09,799 --> 00:31:12,079 Speaker 5: But and you know the drill you shoot these guns. 605 00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:13,160 You got the GT. 606 00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 6: Twenty five he's referring to as the gun Talk gun 607 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:16,960 that we made. 608 00:31:17,119 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 5: It was a out of the custom shop. 609 00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 6: From Remy Ruger rather and it's a ten milimeters nineteen 610 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:29,079 eleven and it shoots great. I guess let me ask 611 00:31:29,119 --> 00:31:31,680 you the question, how do you like your GT. Twenty five? 612 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 5: Oh? 613 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,039 Speaker 14: I think it's wonderful. For it's just perfect. 614 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 6: It does okay, And then there are you could go 615 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,839 to Wilson Combat or Nighthawk Custom and pay twice or 616 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,599 three or four times as much and maybe you get 617 00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:49,480 a few features that you like and maybe you're able 618 00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:51,599 to tell them, Okay, I want it with this, and 619 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,680 I want it with that, and it's a custom made gun. 620 00:31:56,119 --> 00:32:00,880 I think we can both agree it's not necessary. It's 621 00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:03,000 just what we like. At a certain point. Aren't we 622 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,599 just getting what we like? It's like different boats or something. 623 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,119 Speaker 14: Oh, absolutely, I wasn't. I wasn't taking on anything, but 624 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,680 just I'm just trying to understand where the extra money, 625 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:13,720 what are you paying for it? 626 00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:16,119 Speaker 5: You know, you're paying for handwork. 627 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,559 Speaker 6: You're paying for somebody to polish every little part. It's 628 00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:23,359 like that cylinder and slide forty five I had made 629 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,119 Bill Lafferd's shop. I mean, they are polishing every part 630 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,759 and making sure that everything fits exactly right, and they're 631 00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:34,720 lapping the barrels and they're lapping the rails, and they're 632 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,720 doing the handwork that a company cannot afford to do 633 00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:41,200 on a production gun. It just you know, runs the 634 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,559 price up. But if you want to pay for it 635 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,839 and you like it, and there's a a lot of 636 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,839 what you're paying for, honestly, I think is pride of ownership. 637 00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:53,119 And that's kind of where the GT twenty five came in. 638 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,319 We tried to split the difference. It was a production 639 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,960 gun but out of the custom shop. So that particular 640 00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:03,039 pistol you have there's a lot of hand lapping. The 641 00:33:03,079 --> 00:33:04,799 slider frame is hand lapped. 642 00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 5: Everything. 643 00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:08,359 Speaker 6: We put custom parts in it from actually from Soulder 644 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,799 and slides about them. So you have a quasi custom 645 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,200 slash production pistol there, which is a nice place to 646 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,079 be and there are several companies doing that right now. 647 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,720 Dan Wesson does that, but essentially in that twenty five 648 00:33:21,759 --> 00:33:24,400 hundred dollars range on the nineteen elevens are very nice. 649 00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 5: So you know, I don't know. 650 00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:29,799 Speaker 6: I guess the answer is, when you pay a lot 651 00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:31,680 of money, you're probably paying for a lot of handwork. 652 00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:34,920 Whether it's worth it to you or not is a 653 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,759 different deal. Look, I appreciate the calls, Jim. 654 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 5: That's one of the questions. 655 00:33:38,759 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 6: I get a lot, and I've always laughed at it, 656 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,839 and maybe I shouldn't laugh at it. People say, yeah, 657 00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:46,680 but whatever it is, fill in the blake, is it 658 00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:51,599 worth it? Is it worth it to get a upgraded gun? 659 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,039 Dan West a cz or? I don't know. 660 00:33:56,599 --> 00:33:58,279 Speaker 5: Only you can tell me if it's worth it. 661 00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 6: If it's it may be worth it to me, it 662 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,160 may not be worth it to you, or vice versa. 663 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,559 And depending on the thing. If you said, well, I 664 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:12,760 like my M and P glock whatever it is, plastic, 665 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,519 fantastic and that's all I need. Cool and it will 666 00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:19,079 work and it will do everything you wanted to do. 667 00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:22,119 But if you said, you know, but I've always wanted 668 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:27,159 a fill in the blank, whatever it is at that 669 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:32,039 point only you can decide what is worth it to you. 670 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,239 I just people say, well, it's just not worth it 671 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,079 to pay that much. Well, it is to somebody, or 672 00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:40,199 they wouldn't be selling them. 673 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 5: Right. 674 00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:44,639 Speaker 6: Let's go get Kenny online three out of Yuca, Arizona. 675 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:46,360 Hey Kenny, you're on gun Talk. 676 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 5: What's up, Hi, Tom? 677 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:53,079 Speaker 12: I'm curious about how the militia is organized in the 678 00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:54,079 modern passion. 679 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,280 Speaker 6: Are women included in it? 680 00:34:57,639 --> 00:34:58,280 Speaker 5: Ah? 681 00:34:58,519 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 6: That is a really good question. The answer, I would 682 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,960 think would have to be yes. About the modern militia. 683 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,320 The Militia Act says that it is people bodied men. 684 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,679 I think like from eighteen to I can't remember forty something, 685 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,000 but it's an old law, and I'm guessing that maybe 686 00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:18,400 women would have to be included. 687 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:19,079 Speaker 5: What do you think. 688 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 12: I'm curious as if it's ever been updated. 689 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 5: Do they even pay attention to it? 690 00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:27,119 Speaker 6: Not? 691 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:27,800 Speaker 5: Really? 692 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,039 Speaker 6: I mean we do, because you know, the Second Amendment 693 00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:34,800 says a well regulated militia, So we pay attention to 694 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,079 the word militia. And I'm not sure most people in 695 00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:41,800 the public, certainly most politicians don't pay a lot of 696 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,480 attention to the concept of a militia. But it's a 697 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,519 good question. You know what I'll do next time I 698 00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:49,800 get one of these constitutional scholars on here, I'm going 699 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,199 to ask them, look, are women included in the militia? 700 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,320 In fact, we'll throw it out there. Well, what do 701 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,880 people think I mean the militia? Is it just able 702 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,639 bodied men? Is it just able by man of a 703 00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:03,960 certain age, or is it all people in the country 704 00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:08,320 or actually form up the unorganized militia? Please, please, please 705 00:36:08,519 --> 00:36:10,320 don't tell me it's the National Guard, because that is 706 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,039 not the militia. 707 00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:12,039 Speaker 5: Okay, it's just not. 708 00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:16,559 Speaker 6: Skip is in Mississippi on line five, Skip talk to 709 00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:17,280 me arrange. 710 00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 11: A part, Yes, sir. PR fifty seven took about two 711 00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:25,559 years for me to get my hands on one, so 712 00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:30,400 I was gonna go through things real quick. Yeah, it does. 713 00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:33,880 It does have a rather long travel after the first 714 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,119 shot for the trigger to reset more than that shot 715 00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:40,960 could be fired. I confirmed that I was using regular 716 00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:46,679 federal full jacket ammunition, and I had four failure to 717 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,760 feed issues that I suspected to be an AMMO issue 718 00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:54,039 the tip of the round edge of the feed ramp. 719 00:36:55,000 --> 00:37:00,199 So the manufacturer suggested polymer tiff M. I've already got 720 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,039 some and I'll take some of that back to the range. 721 00:37:03,519 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 5: Okay. 722 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 11: One thing I did like about it for sure that 723 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,599 the limited recoil and reduced muscle rise is a definite plus. 724 00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:16,639 Oh yeah, a velocity. 725 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,280 Speaker 6: The five point seven round just has almost no recoil to. 726 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 1: Speak of exactly. 727 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 11: And put another way, the rounds has zero drop until 728 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,920 after it's traveled like fifty yards. 729 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 5: Yes, oh it's amazing. Now. 730 00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 6: The other the flip side of that is it's kind 731 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,599 of loud, isn't it. 732 00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:35,199 Speaker 13: A little bit? 733 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 11: But i'd have double hearing protections. 734 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,159 Speaker 5: So there you go. There you go. 735 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,599 Speaker 6: Well, that's a great range aboard. I like five sevens 736 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:47,559 and I think they're becoming more popular. AMMO is more 737 00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:50,840 available and maybe I don't know if it's any less expensive, 738 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,800 but I think easier to find. But yeah, and now 739 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,559 you of course you can get a five point seven 740 00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:57,360 and a pistol. There are a lot of different brands 741 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,719 being made as well as car beings, so kind of 742 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,800 fun stuff. Five sevens are tons of fun. Hey, I 743 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,239 want to give a quick update. In our interview with 744 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,199 Stephen Katowski earlier, he was talking about in Virginia that 745 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,920 the only the enforcement by the state police was being enjoined. 746 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 5: That has changed. 747 00:38:17,039 --> 00:38:20,760 Speaker 6: We have a new ruling there, and so the assau 748 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,320 weapons ban in Virginia has essentially been stopped. 749 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,079 Speaker 5: It's been stayed for right now. 750 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:32,679 Speaker 6: There are still several lawsuits challenging that new ban on 751 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,559 semi automatic firearms in the state of Virginia the Commonwealth 752 00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:39,360 of Virginia at the same time when the Supreme Court's 753 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,280 got to be taking it up on a national basis. 754 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,320 So there's a lot of things going on. That picture 755 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,159 is changing all the time. If you want to stay 756 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,400 up on that, follow me on X where I have 757 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,840 the updates there as well. Again, I am at Gun 758 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,760 Talk over there. I'll have those updates for you also, 759 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,119 of course, the Virginia Citizens Defense League has the updates 760 00:38:56,199 --> 00:39:01,159 there as well. There's also a development a new circuit court, 761 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,079 Federal Circuit Court is the rule that a ban on 762 00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:08,400 semi automatic rifles is perfectly constitution and there's nothing wrong 763 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,280 with banning ar fifteens. At the same time as the 764 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,280 Supreme courts take it up, I'm not sure what they're doing, 765 00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:16,360 but I'll give you a little bit more information about 766 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,079 that when we come back again. 767 00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:19,079 Speaker 5: Our number is eighty. 768 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 6: Six six Talk Gun I'm Tom Gresham, as I. 769 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 5: Talked to you today. Today is July twelve for those 770 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:34,119 who are listening to this. 771 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:39,639 Speaker 6: Later on last night, South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham died, 772 00:39:40,519 --> 00:39:43,480 most likely of a heart attack. They haven't announced that yet, 773 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,960 but that's probably what happened. People either loved him or 774 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,599 hated him, sometimes both, sometimes switched back and forth. A 775 00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:53,679 lot of people said he went back and forth on issues. 776 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,079 I think he in a lot of ways went with 777 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,920 sometimes he changed his view. He was based on the 778 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,159 information to get got changed. Whether you like that or not, 779 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,239 that's just that's your thing. You can figure that out. 780 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,960 Something I did not know about Senator Graham just learned 781 00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:17,239 when I was looking him up. Thirty three years in 782 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:23,000 the United States Air Force, active duty and reserves as 783 00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:27,840 a JAG officer, retired as a colonel in the US 784 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:34,800 Air Force. Never knew that. There's also Although you might 785 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,800 not connect the dots right off the bat, that's what 786 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,039 I'm here for, so I do for you. We would 787 00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:46,880 not have the AR fifteen band going to the United 788 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:52,000 States Supreme Court without Lindsey Graham. What what do you mean, Tom, 789 00:40:52,639 --> 00:41:00,760 It's real simple. Actually, Lindsey Graham in his speech at 790 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:09,360 the Brett Cavanaugh confirmation hearing, stopped the assaults, stopped the 791 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:16,639 scurrilous attacks, And Lindsey Graham single handedly got Judge Brett 792 00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:22,360 Kavanaugh into the role of Justice Brett Cavanaugh. And without 793 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:28,119 that happening, this Air fifteen case Viamontes would not have 794 00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:34,599 been taken by the United States Supreme Court. And I 795 00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:38,079 have every confidence in saying that the Supreme Court is 796 00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:44,159 going to strike down these bands on these commonly owned guns. 797 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,199 So there's gonna be a lot of noise than there 798 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,719 is right now about Lindsey Graham, what he did, what 799 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,280 he didn't do politics. I mean, he was a political animal. 800 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,760 Evidently he was pretty funny. I never got all that 801 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,159 but the things being posted online with some really funny 802 00:42:02,159 --> 00:42:07,760 stories about him. But when you think about him, I 803 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:13,119 guess I would offer two thoughts. One is that he 804 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,800 served for thirty three years in the US Air Force, 805 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:22,400 obviously served in political office as well, retired as a colonel. 806 00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:26,719 And also he gave us Brett Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court. 807 00:42:27,639 --> 00:42:31,559 And to my way of thinking, I don't think we 808 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,840 would be where we are today the Second Amendment cases 809 00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:41,840 if we didn't have Justice Kavanaugh and so putting aside 810 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:42,360 everything else. 811 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:43,360 Speaker 5: And you know me, I. 812 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,199 Speaker 6: Always tell people. They always people say, well, Tom, but 813 00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:49,119 he did this, but he did that. But I'd always 814 00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:54,679 say stop, stop. Understand. I'm a one issue person. I'm 815 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,840 a Second Amendment guy. If you're helping me on the 816 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,039 Second Amendment, I may grit my teeth and hold my 817 00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:07,719 nose on other issues that where we disagree. But if 818 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,880 you're going to help me on Second Amendment, then that's okay. 819 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:10,920 I'm gonna support you. 820 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,519 Speaker 5: Yep. But he yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, there's no but. 821 00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 6: He he got us Brett Cavanaugh. Brett Kavanaugh got us 822 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,920 the cases that we just won, two of them in 823 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,360 the Supreme Court Second Amendment cases, and he got us 824 00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:34,400 the second the semiautom Band that's before the Supreme Court 825 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,199 that we're going to win. So for that and for 826 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:43,880 your service, Colonel Lindsey Graham, I appreciate it. Godspeed and 827 00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:48,280 best wishes to his family. There's a time to be 828 00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:51,239 magnanimous into have some class. I'm saying a lot that's 829 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,800 not that way on the internet. There you go, you're 830 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,039 right back to more gun talk.