Speaker 1: Him my signal and leishall.
Speaker 2: Who is he I'm required to kill? So I kill?
Speaker 2: Tell me your name.
Speaker 1: My name is Maximus Desmus Meridius, the father of the
Speaker 1: Armies of the North, loyal sovereigant of the true Emperor
Speaker 1: Marcus Aurelius, father to.
Speaker 2: A modered son, husband to a modered wife. And I
Speaker 2: will have my vengeance in this life. For the next
Speaker 2: win the crowd, win your freedom. Why are not a
Speaker 2: time today I saw a slave become more powerful than
Speaker 2: the Emperor Rome. I will give them something they've never
Speaker 2: seen before. What are we doing? Live echoes and welcome
Speaker 2: to Dorky Out. My name is Sonia Mansfield and are
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Speaker 2: d Hello, my friend, this is so I goes so
Speaker 2: much yelling, and by God merciful, we are dorking out
Speaker 2: about two thousand's Gladiator. I wonder why we're doing this one.
Speaker 2: It's it's almost like a sequel has come out Weekend
Speaker 2: or something. It is directed by Ridley Scott, screenplay by
Speaker 2: David Franzoni, Sure, John Logan and William Nicholson. This movie
Speaker 2: made so much fucking money. By the way I wrote
Speaker 2: it down, it had a budget of like one hundred
Speaker 2: million dollars, which was a shit ton of Now that's
Speaker 2: like catering money for Marvel, but like that was a
Speaker 2: high budget back then. It made four hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: five million dollars.
Speaker 1: I am gobsmacked by that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It also won a ton of awards, which we
Speaker 2: will talk about later.
Speaker 1: And it started Gobs backed by that as well.
Speaker 2: Stars Russell Crowe, Walking Phoenix, Connie Nielsen, Oliver Reed, Derek Jacoby,
Speaker 2: John and Hansu and Richard Harris. Let's start, like we
Speaker 2: always do. Did you see this in the theater?
Speaker 1: I don't think I did. I don't have any memory
Speaker 1: of this except seeing it on a smaller screen, So no,
Speaker 1: the answer.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I wont hunter percent saw it in the theater,
Speaker 2: and I remember really liking it, like thinking it was
Speaker 2: super entertaining, and I was like, oh, what a very entertaining,
Speaker 2: fun movie. And then it proceeded to be on like
Speaker 2: a million best of lists and be nominated for stuff.
Speaker 2: And I was very surprised by that because it really
Speaker 2: is just like it is a very good entertaining movie
Speaker 2: and it's that it's I'm all the best movie of
Speaker 2: the year. Yeah, it's something well, and Russell Crowe was
Speaker 2: like he had like such a good run. So like
Speaker 2: the year before this he does The Insider, which is
Speaker 2: and is so good and yeah, and then he well actually,
Speaker 2: and then like a couple of years before that, he
Speaker 2: did La Confidential, which is great, and then he does
Speaker 2: A Beautiful Mind, which I don't really like but people love,
Speaker 2: and then he does Master and Commander, which is really good.
Speaker 2: Like and in the middle of all that, he did
Speaker 2: Proof of Life, which is the movie that like ruined
Speaker 2: Make Ryan for the World but somehow made Russell Crow
Speaker 2: super cool.
Speaker 1: But is that the one where she had the affair
Speaker 1: with him and that of her marriage to Yeah, what's
Speaker 1: his nuts?
Speaker 2: Disappointing, Yeah, which at the time we were all like,
Speaker 2: everyone's all make Ryan. That's very disappointing. But knowing what
Speaker 2: we know now, we're like that good for her, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I get it. Like, also, Russell Crows he's very hunky.
Speaker 1: He's a he's a hunk.
Speaker 2: He's a hunk, and he's he's a total hunk in
Speaker 2: this movie, So I get it. But did it deserve
Speaker 2: all the awards that it won. Debatable, So shall we
Speaker 2: go through it? Please? Okay, So movie by the Way
Speaker 2: is like two and a half hours long, and I
Speaker 2: was like, this is unacceptable. I am now one of
Speaker 2: those people that just complains how long movies are. I'm like,
Speaker 2: those too long? But whatever, So it.
Speaker 1: Opens, I think I posted sorry, I posted one of
Speaker 1: our groups, one of our pages on Facebook.
Speaker 2: It was something I found.
Speaker 1: Meme I found was like the unique joy of looking
Speaker 1: up a movie and finding out the runtime is only
Speaker 1: ninety minutes.
Speaker 2: You're like, yes, I feel like a jerk because there's
Speaker 2: there's definitely movies that I super love and I don't
Speaker 2: mind that they're long, and if it's a really good movie,
Speaker 2: I really don't mind. It's when I don't know, there's
Speaker 2: just some movies where I'm like, it didn't need to
Speaker 2: be this long, it just didn't. And I think this
Speaker 2: is one of those movies. It just didn't need to
Speaker 2: be this long. But so it opens with a big
Speaker 2: battle and this is you know, we're establishing that this
Speaker 2: is like, this isn't your mother's gladiator movies. It's all
Speaker 2: like dirty and serious and bloody. It's it's Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: just very disturbing. Lots of people getting their heads chopped off,
Speaker 2: lots of horses, horses falling over, which takes me out
Speaker 2: of movies.
Speaker 1: It seriously does too.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not alone in this. I don't like now
Speaker 2: fight on horses. I spend the whole time worried for.
Speaker 1: Thinking about the horse.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, yeah, same, Yeah, I don't like it. And
Speaker 2: I know logically, like I was like, hey, there's people
Speaker 2: on this set that are making sure the horses are okay.
Speaker 2: But even in the terms of the story, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: horses don't deserve this. They just theyll parted everywhere. I
Speaker 2: hope they I hope they made their presence known. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I would be fine with that. I'm fine with that.
Speaker 2: So there's a huge battle, lots of people died, blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. But Russell Crowe like it establishes that Russell
Speaker 2: Crowe's character Maximus is this like really smart, honorable leader.
Speaker 2: He's very inspiring to his men. You know, he is
Speaker 2: super loved by the like general who is or not
Speaker 2: the general the Emperor who is that's Richard Harris, right, yeah, Richard. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And he like thinks that he would be an amazing
Speaker 2: leader in Rome instead of his no good, whiney son.
Speaker 2: Who is Joaquin Phoenix, who just can't wait to be king.
Speaker 2: He's very excited. He's one hundred percent sure it's gonna
Speaker 2: happen for him, and uh he's it's not gonna happen
Speaker 2: for him. He is the Donald Trump junior of this movie.
Speaker 2: Like he thinks it's gonna happen and the Daddy's gonna
Speaker 2: give him all the hugs and love him, and uh no,
Speaker 2: it doesn't happen. Also, he's hot for his sister, which
Speaker 2: is really gross. I know that's really creepy. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: he is Joaquin Phoenix is doing a thing and that
Speaker 2: he is. He is all in.
Speaker 1: He is absolutely and I do appreciate him as I
Speaker 1: get older, I appreciate what he puts into his performances,
Speaker 1: Like how committed he is, Yes he is. He should
Speaker 1: be committed.
Speaker 2: He's committed and he should be committed to So like
Speaker 2: Joaquin Phoenix is like hanging around, He's like, this is
Speaker 2: gonna be my moment, Like I'm gonna be I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be king, And instead the Emperor's like, hey, Maximus, you
Speaker 2: want to be king? And He's like, nah, that's cool.
Speaker 2: I Like he really just wants to go home. He
Speaker 2: just wants to go home.
Speaker 1: He wants Yeah, he misses his family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he misses his family. He's not interested in like
Speaker 2: the politics of Rome. Like he was a good soldier
Speaker 2: and he's like, I've done my job, you know, good
Speaker 2: luck to you. Not interested. And the Emperor tells Joaquin Phoenix,
Speaker 2: whose name is Commodus odas Commodus, it just it looks
Speaker 2: like commode to me, Like I'm like commode, he's a commode.
Speaker 2: So he tells Joaquin Phoenix like, hey, it's not happening
Speaker 2: for you, Like your false is a son is because
Speaker 2: I'm a shitty dad. And I'm like that's a nice
Speaker 2: way of saying that. But he then he smothers his father,
Speaker 2: which is intense, very intense and really fucked up. And
Speaker 2: then he's like, you know, the emperor's dead, and he
Speaker 2: asks Maximus to like pledge his allegiance to him now
Speaker 2: because he's going to rule Rome. And yeah, Maximus is
Speaker 2: like a fuck off with that shit and tries to leave.
Speaker 2: And now he's committed tree. He's basically committed treason in
Speaker 2: Joaquin Phoenix's eyes, So he like is going to kill
Speaker 2: his family and kill him. Oh, I totally skipped the
Speaker 2: part with Connie Nielsy and Nielsen. Sorry I'm still a
Speaker 2: little congested people. Sorry Connie Nielsen, who's playing the sister
Speaker 2: who would actually be a great leader, but she's not
Speaker 2: a man right, If only she had a dick, then
Speaker 2: she could be the King of Rome or Emperor Rome
Speaker 2: or whatever the fuck these titles are. Because I don't know,
Speaker 2: I'm not one of those people that thinks about the
Speaker 2: Roman Empire every day?
Speaker 1: Do you No? That's stupid?
Speaker 2: Do you ever hear? That was a meme thing that
Speaker 2: was going around on social media. It was like that
Speaker 2: men think about the Roman Empire like once a day.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, is that? I don't know?
Speaker 2: And so I have a coworker who is Italian and
Speaker 2: I was like, hey, Felipo, do you like think about
Speaker 2: the Roman Empire at least once a day? And he's
Speaker 2: all more than once a day for sure.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, so is it this movie they're thinking about?
Speaker 2: No? He well, he was telling me that. He just
Speaker 2: he's like, I don't know. I'm interested in like how
Speaker 2: they built the things that they built, and he's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, oh, just comes up once a day.
Speaker 2: But in his defense, he works and designed, so I
Speaker 2: guess that's why.
Speaker 1: But that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, other dudes. I was like, they're probably just thinking
Speaker 2: about dudes in like skirts and sandals, right, they just
Speaker 2: but they don't want to say it. That's what they're
Speaker 2: really thinking about. That's what I think. That's when I've
Speaker 2: been that. That's I can't yes say that. Sorry, continue,
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's what I'm thinking about when I think
Speaker 2: of the Roman Empire. But anyway, her and Maximus used
Speaker 2: to like have a thing together, like, and she has
Speaker 2: a son, it's about the same age as his son.
Speaker 2: It's very strongly suggested that her son is Maximus's son.
Speaker 2: What happens then, Oh, so then they they kill Maximus's family,
Speaker 2: which is fucking brutal, awful, really really brutal, Like I mean,
Speaker 2: I appreciate that they don't show too much, but still
Speaker 2: even what they show, I was like, brutal. And they
Speaker 2: try to kill Maximus, but you know, he's a stud
Speaker 2: and he kills like can't you can't kills everyone. He
Speaker 2: rides for like fucking days trying to get to his family,
Speaker 2: and you know, he's not there in time, and he
Speaker 2: it's super sad, like he buries his family and he
Speaker 2: just kind of collapses. And at that point he is
Speaker 2: picked up by like a slave trader, and that's Oliver Reid,
Speaker 2: who's doing a thing. He's also going everyone's going big.
Speaker 1: I would say this when you when I read about
Speaker 1: Oliver Reid and he apparently was a real pain in
Speaker 1: the ass, had a big ego, bit a bit of
Speaker 1: a drinker. And then I read the I was reading
Speaker 1: the trivia and apparently he didn't get along with Russell
Speaker 1: Crowe was kind of mean to him, and so I
Speaker 1: was like, why even bother? This guy's a pay in
Speaker 1: the ass. He's old. You know, you can get anybody
Speaker 1: do that part. And I started watching this movie last night.
Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck it, this is his movie.
Speaker 2: He's great, he is really good. He's amazing. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: he's doing a thing like yeah, and again this movie
Speaker 2: needs that because it's Yeah, it is like dirty, grimy dark,
Speaker 2: and the performances that are like big feel it makes
Speaker 2: it feel not so grimy and dirty and dark. I
Speaker 2: guess it makes it more watchable for me. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: other people like I have friends that like, they love
Speaker 2: this movie and it's one of their favorites. And I'm like, really,
Speaker 2: like you watch Gladiator like a couple times a year.
Speaker 2: This seems weird to me, but again, whatever you do,
Speaker 2: you if you enjoy it, maybe that's their thing.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: So he gets picked up by the slave trader and
Speaker 2: that's Oliver Reed, and he is training all of these
Speaker 2: men that he has picked up to be glad and
Speaker 2: so they do like kind of the local road shows,
Speaker 2: I guess of the off Broadway versions of Gladiator fights,
Speaker 2: and immediately like Maximus is such a stud, like he's
Speaker 2: just murdering everybody because he's a very experienced warrior and
Speaker 2: a very experienced leader. And he gets all the gladiators
Speaker 2: to work together and he forms bonds and friendships and
Speaker 2: that's when we meet there's no I in team. So yeah,
Speaker 2: there's no I in team. That's when we meet jam
Speaker 2: and Hansu, who's he's really good too, as like one
Speaker 2: of the other gladiators that he he partners up with,
Speaker 2: and they give the they give Maximus this nickname of
Speaker 2: the Spaniard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's which really threw me off sometimes. If
Speaker 1: there's anybody who looks Australian. If that's a thing, it's
Speaker 1: Russell Crowe to me. Yeah, I've watched enough Below Deck
Speaker 1: to think.
Speaker 2: That using below Deck as the standard here and I agree.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: He definitely Africa or Australia, like that's where he swaps Spain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he definitely looks like Captain Jason from Below Deck
Speaker 2: down Under.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and he can have this too.
Speaker 2: Yes, all of it. He could have all of this.
Speaker 2: I would love to think about the Roman Empire if
Speaker 2: it involves Captain Jason Jason, yes, or Russell Crowe during
Speaker 2: this time period, he was very handsome. So they do
Speaker 2: all that, they do their like off Broadway gladiator stuff,
Speaker 2: and eventually they learn that Joaquin Phoenix wants to like
Speaker 2: celebrate his dad, honor his dad by bringing back gladiator
Speaker 2: fights even though his dad didn't like them and got
Speaker 2: rid of them because he's a piece of shit. Who
Speaker 2: he's a disruptor. Yeah, he's a disruptory. He's he's just
Speaker 2: trying to make Rome great again.
Speaker 1: Margo the I had to see I had to like
Speaker 1: stop myself from contextualizing it into twenty first century.
Speaker 2: Yeah, politics, but it's kind of.
Speaker 1: Hard when you're watching a movie where they're talking about
Speaker 1: a senate and talking things about and policies, and then
Speaker 1: you have this dipshit that's like I'm in charge, though
Speaker 1: this bores me, like make some games and kill people.
Speaker 2: That'll by the way, same the same shit is going on.
Speaker 2: And Gladiator too, by the way, where I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this movie is Gladiator two is more fun than Gladiator,
Speaker 2: and like Denzil Washington is like like chewing the scenery
Speaker 2: and like every actually they all are except for like
Speaker 2: Paul Meskal and Pedro pescal are not. They're like they're
Speaker 2: in a more sincere version of the movie and everyone
Speaker 2: else is like I'm the leader, but like they're just
Speaker 2: like doing all this and it's very hard not to
Speaker 2: read like current state of affairs into these movies because
Speaker 2: it's all about distracting the masses with like fucking gladiator
Speaker 2: fights and shit that doesn't matter while they strip away
Speaker 2: their freedoms exactly, and that's happening in this movie. And
Speaker 2: Derek Jacobi's character is a senator who actually says, like
Speaker 2: you know, that's what he's doing. He's the walking Phoenix
Speaker 2: characters throwing having all these Gladiator fights so that they
Speaker 2: are all distracted while he strips away all their freedoms
Speaker 2: and rights. That's what he's doing. And yeah, and he's just, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's not a good leader. He's not merciful. He's screaming later,
Speaker 2: he's a real piece of shit. And so he's bringing
Speaker 2: back his gladiator, bringing back the gladiator fights, and Russell
Speaker 2: Crowe and his leads all the gladiators out there to fight,
Speaker 2: and he's just such a leader. He's like, let's all
Speaker 2: work together. This is how we survive this. And what
Speaker 2: do you think about the fight scenes in this movie?
Speaker 1: I think they're over the top and gruesome. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I also think it's really entertaining.
Speaker 2: I have to say, Yeah, I think there's a get
Speaker 2: the Spectacle. Yeah, yeah, I think they're really well done.
Speaker 2: There's one that involves tigers that that's really great. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's really really well done. I mean spoilers. I don't
Speaker 2: like that one of the tigers gets hurt of it,
Speaker 2: because again, yeah.
Speaker 1: They don't get really get hurt though, no I know.
Speaker 2: But also I was like, but they have sharks on
Speaker 2: the new one. Yes, Okay, So my sister and I
Speaker 2: chatted on the phone yesterday because I was like, she
Speaker 2: knew I was gonna watch Gladiator last night, and she
Speaker 2: had also just seen Gladiator too, and she's like, I'm
Speaker 2: not buying it the whole Like there's a thing where
Speaker 2: they like fill the Colisseum with water and sharks and
Speaker 2: like they have all these boats in there and they're
Speaker 2: recreating some naval battle and it's again very entertaining. And
Speaker 2: my sister's like, well, how do they water proof the coliseum?
Speaker 2: Like how did they do this? How did they get
Speaker 2: the sharks in there? And I was like, I don't
Speaker 2: think we're supposed to think about that stuff, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean you can't. You can't overthink it.
Speaker 1: I wasn't more interested in I am interested in the
Speaker 1: Roman Empire in that they were so highly evolved. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then it was destroyed and that like man had
Speaker 1: to start all over again, and so the whole thing
Speaker 1: with the I was fascinated by the fabrics that were
Speaker 1: flowing over the Colisseum. That was like they think that's
Speaker 1: what really they used to cool it down? Like they
Speaker 1: were very very advanced, right, So there's parts of it
Speaker 1: are really interesting to be because they had like underwater systems,
Speaker 1: they had bathrooms they had saunas, they had they had
Speaker 1: a whole thing. Yeah, then plumbing and irrigation and exactly exactly,
Speaker 1: and it was very very highly enlightened and then it
Speaker 1: was crushed. So it is interesting to see all of that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Joaquin Phoenix is playing the petulant child who's
Speaker 1: having these people be slaughtered in front of him as
Speaker 1: a way of throwing chum to the masses to keep
Speaker 1: them distracted from the things that are happening, like he's
Speaker 1: crushing the Senate and other things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he he wants the people to love him
Speaker 2: and respect him and fear him. Well I don't know
Speaker 2: if Yeah, he does want them to fear him, but
Speaker 2: like he doesn't want to do things to like earn
Speaker 2: those Like he's like I should just get them because
Speaker 2: of who I am, which is so fucking artistic, yes,
Speaker 2: and also is just so yeah, it's yeah, he's entitled
Speaker 2: to those things according to him. So there's a huge fight,
Speaker 2: and of course, like Russell Crow like kicks ass and
Speaker 2: like they murder all these people, and well he's defending himself, so.
Speaker 1: I okay, yeah, they're going to kill him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I use the word murder, but I
Speaker 2: was like people died that they were going to kill
Speaker 2: him first, so he uh oh. And then Joaquin Phoenix
Speaker 2: is like, I want to meet this spaniard that everyone
Speaker 2: because it's kind of like progress. They all have like
Speaker 2: character names, and he's starting to be kind of famous,
Speaker 2: like the crowd super into him. He's trying to win
Speaker 2: over the crowd, and so Joaquin Phoenix takes the little
Speaker 2: his little nephew Lucius down there to meet the Spaniard
Speaker 2: and when he takes off his helmet, of course he's
Speaker 2: Russell Crowe and he's like ooh, you know, the big reveal,
Speaker 2: and but the crowd, he he immediately wants him killed
Speaker 2: because he's supposed to be dead, and the crowd loves him.
Speaker 2: They love the Spaniard, so he spares his life, and
Speaker 2: then we then cut to Russell or not Russell crow
Speaker 2: Joaquin Phoenix up in his like room where he's terribly vexed,
Speaker 2: terribly vexed. It vexes me, it vexes me. I'm terribly
Speaker 2: vexed that the Maximus is still alive, like this is
Speaker 2: not supposed to be a thing that happens. And then
Speaker 2: he's like so gross with his sister, like just yeah,
Speaker 2: like just touching her and peeping on her and like
Speaker 2: stay the night with me, and she's like peace out,
Speaker 2: Like she doesn't want any part of that. And she
Speaker 2: is she is trapped like women didn't have a lot
Speaker 2: of power back then, and she is dependent on her
Speaker 2: brother for survival and he's super fucking gross and she's
Speaker 2: afraid of him because he's a monster, and he's you know,
Speaker 2: close with her son, and she's trying to protect her boy.
Speaker 2: So she's in a really shitty situation. And her her
Speaker 2: kid seems lovely. He seems like a nice boy.
Speaker 1: He's a nice kid.
Speaker 2: He's a nice kid.
Speaker 1: Nice boy. I like their flat American accents kind of everywhere.
Speaker 1: That's kind of I mean that really is, because you
Speaker 1: know sometimes it's like European and people kind of like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I think it's Yeah, it's really well laid out.
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's visually, it's a beautiful movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just the script At times I was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of cheat.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean just the first half hours, like all
Speaker 2: like battle and it's just to show how badass Maximus
Speaker 2: is and I don't think we needed that. So then
Speaker 2: by the time everything else starts happening. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: already tired, so but that's me what Oh what was
Speaker 2: I gonna say? Oh, there's like a scene where they're
Speaker 2: like walking around in some market or something and there's
Speaker 2: a bunch of guys and they're just like playing a
Speaker 2: game with a cobra. Did you see that?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: And I was like, what the fuck I just wrote
Speaker 2: in my notes? Were they also that fucking bored in
Speaker 2: rome that they're just like, let's play this game of
Speaker 2: checkers but it somehow involves a cobra. Maybe No, but.
Speaker 1: Cobra's terrify me.
Speaker 2: Me too.
Speaker 1: I'm always scared that they their venom is gonna blind me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm scared of them. I'm scared of snakes, well,
Speaker 2: snakes and spiders, Like, no, I don't want spider legs
Speaker 2: touching me. I don't want snake eyes looking at me
Speaker 2: like bla Like anyway, what happens? Then? Oh, there's like
Speaker 2: a whole thing where Walking Phoenix is like I'm gonna
Speaker 2: make Maximus fight like the most undefeated, decorated gladiator. And
Speaker 2: that's when we get the tigers, and that whole scene
Speaker 2: is very exciting, like and but of course Maximus wins
Speaker 2: because again, duh, Maximus. Yeah, he's a fucking stud. It's
Speaker 2: right in the name. He's He's max He's the Maximus.
Speaker 2: He's the most He's the Maximum, and the crowd loves him,
Speaker 2: and he wounds the other gladiator, but and the crowd's
Speaker 2: like kill kill because they're so gross, and he doesn't
Speaker 2: because it's a big fuck you to Woking Phoenix. He's like,
Speaker 2: I'm not doing what you tell me, you know. And
Speaker 2: immediately the crowd's like Maximus the merciful, like he just
Speaker 2: whatever he does, They're like, we love you, He's the
Speaker 2: he's the hairy styles of the Gladdie. We love you Harry,
Speaker 2: like no matter what he does. And then Joaquin Phoenix,
Speaker 2: he's again such a piece of shit. He like goes
Speaker 2: down there and he's talking to Maximus and he says
Speaker 2: the most fucked up shit about his family to try
Speaker 2: to make him mad, like you know your wife, did
Speaker 2: you know all the awful things they did to his
Speaker 2: family basically, and Maximus doesn't take his bait, which makes
Speaker 2: Joaquin Phoenix even more vexed, I'm sure because he purposely
Speaker 2: was trying to get a rise out of him, so
Speaker 2: he could kill him and he doesn't take the bait. Uh,
Speaker 2: then what happens? Then what happens? Oh, like someone from
Speaker 2: Maximus's army is lingering around. He had like a like
Speaker 2: a servant or something named Cicero who was hanging around,
Speaker 2: and he shows up and he he wants to help
Speaker 2: Maximus like escape and like reunite with his army and
Speaker 2: fight for the freedom of Rome and all of these things. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm all that stuff's fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it doesn't even like I'm kind of like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, that was a thing. It goes on for
Speaker 1: so long. It's it's it's two and a half hours. Yeah.
Speaker 2: After a while, I'm like, okay, I get it. Can
Speaker 2: we just hit the high marks? Yes? Yeah, there's all
Speaker 2: this like back state like backroom dealing stuff that's going
Speaker 2: on that is not the stuff I remember about the movie.
Speaker 2: Like what I remember is, oh, he fought and they're
Speaker 2: tigers and like all and you know how over the
Speaker 2: top woaquin phoenixes and all that stuff. And then I'm
Speaker 2: watching it this time and I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's all this like political intrigue that's happening in it too,
Speaker 2: And multiple scenes of Joaquin Phoenix trying to get it
Speaker 2: on with his sister, which is again super yucky. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and threatening her son like reading him stories and like
Speaker 2: holding him really close and telling her without telling her,
Speaker 2: like I'm fully gonna kill your kid if you don't
Speaker 2: tell me everything that is happening. And at some point
Speaker 2: there is like Joaquin Phoenix sends all of his men
Speaker 2: in and they just start fucking shit up. They kill
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of the gladiators, they kill Maximus' like
Speaker 2: assistant guy, and threatens his sister and tells her like,
Speaker 2: you're going to give me a pure blood air and
Speaker 2: if you even look at me wrong, I'm going to
Speaker 2: kill your kid. And that's when we get thats like, wow.
Speaker 1: He's doing a thing. I gotta say, they're all I
Speaker 1: like all the actors. There's nobody. I think they're all committed,
Speaker 1: and they're all treating it like it's real, and I
Speaker 1: think that's what people respond to, Like that's the only
Speaker 1: way you can do it, is just treat it like
Speaker 1: it's real.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. And in gladiat Or two, it is Denzel
Speaker 2: Washington is the one that is like just chewing it
Speaker 2: up and like the most entertaining way in a way
Speaker 2: that we haven't seen Denzel Washington be in a really
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 1: I like this phase of Denzel Washington's me too. I
Speaker 1: was giving all kinds of email. I don't Yeah, you
Speaker 1: were sending me some stuff on TikTok and yeah he's
Speaker 1: doing all kinds of interviews and he's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was bitchy then, yeah, I took that too seriously.
Speaker 1: Now you just care about this or I you know.
Speaker 1: I like is like, that's how I want to be
Speaker 1: when I'm his age.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he he seems like he's out of Fox and
Speaker 2: he's Yes, he's just having a good time. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: raised his kids, he's in a good marriage. He's got
Speaker 2: his oscars.
Speaker 1: You know, he's got I think he's won Tony Awards.
Speaker 1: He's done stage work, he's brilliant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's put in his time. He should enjoy it.
Speaker 2: So good for him. That's what we all want. He's
Speaker 2: a movie star. Such a movie star, he really is.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing about the second one. Not to
Speaker 2: keep going back to a movie you haven't seen. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: but like, he is such a movie star. And I
Speaker 2: think Pedro Pescal is a movie star. I wasn't getting
Speaker 2: it from Paul mets school in this and Gladiator too
Speaker 2: likes as much as these two like. And I love
Speaker 2: Paul Meskal like, I think he's great and I have
Speaker 2: loved him in other movies, but this was like a
Speaker 2: really big blockbuster with a lot of like sets and
Speaker 2: costumes and visual effects. And I'm like, he wasn't screaming
Speaker 2: movie star to me in that movie, but I think
Speaker 2: he He does a good job in the roll.
Speaker 1: I'll let you know in a few months.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go. So then there's a it all
Speaker 2: comes down to this, like now Joaquin Phoenix is like,
Speaker 2: I am going to fight Maximus in the coliseum, Like
Speaker 2: this is how I'm gonna win the people's love by
Speaker 2: murdering their hero in front of them, apparently, But of course,
Speaker 2: because he's such a fucking coward, he like goes in
Speaker 2: before the fight and like stat Russell Crowe and then
Speaker 2: hides it with armor so that he's already wounded, yeah, wounded,
Speaker 2: and like on and he's gonna die no matter what
Speaker 2: because of this asshole. But even though he has an injury,
Speaker 2: he kicks his ass, and uh, it's pretty satisfying.
Speaker 1: It's very satisfying, like snickers satisfied.
Speaker 2: It really does. I was like, I will allow it.
Speaker 2: Like he is such a sniveling, shitty coward that when
Speaker 2: he finally gets killed feels pretty good. I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm cool with that. I'll allow it. I'll allow it.
Speaker 2: And you know, it's very sad because Maximus is dying,
Speaker 2: and but before he's dying, he asks for all these
Speaker 2: political reforms, he asks for the Gladiators to be free,
Speaker 2: he you know, and then he collapse and he has
Speaker 2: this vision of the after life and he's running to
Speaker 2: his wife and son, and it's very sweet and it's
Speaker 2: what we all want the afterlife to be.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, just a wheat field that I'm running.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, see our loved ones, but but sure,
Speaker 2: wheat field.
Speaker 1: Well that's how it is with him, Like every five seconds,
Speaker 1: he's like running his hand through.
Speaker 2: A wheat field. Right, Yeah, I get Well, maybe that's
Speaker 2: where his passion lies, Margo. He really just wanted to be.
Speaker 1: A friend to make bread.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to I just want to eat bread.
Speaker 2: I would be a perfect wife to him, like I
Speaker 2: just want to eat that bread. And uh, you know,
Speaker 2: they carry his body out and he's a soldier of
Speaker 2: Rome and all of this stuff and yeah that's the end. Okay,
Speaker 2: there we go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's yeah, there's That's why it's like for two
Speaker 1: and a half hours. I'm like really because because there's
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's great. I mean, I will say this,
Speaker 1: it's very entertaining. I was completely absorbed with it. I
Speaker 1: Mean sometimes I was like, this is the transitions were weird,
Speaker 1: Like I wonder, like was there a day like the
Speaker 1: light the light got away from them or they ran
Speaker 1: out of time and so they had to insert this
Speaker 1: here in order to go there. Because it's very choppy.
Speaker 1: The transitions are really choppy sometimes, so I wonder if
Speaker 1: that's what it is. But overall, I can see why.
Speaker 1: I absolutely see why people loved seeing this in a
Speaker 1: movie theater. I bet it was a hoot with like
Speaker 1: a big audience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it feels like it's made for a
Speaker 2: big screen. It's made for a big audience. It's it
Speaker 2: does it desert? Is it worthy of all the things?
Speaker 2: We're going to go through it? In like a second?
Speaker 2: I did read that Antonio Benderis was considered at some
Speaker 2: point for Spanish I Wonder and I'm like, I I
Speaker 2: think Antonio Binderis would have been really good in this
Speaker 2: absolutely no, that's my point, Like, yeah, yeah, I get
Speaker 2: a Spaniard if you're going to like all the Spaniard
Speaker 2: oh different things now we didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: True. They also apparently considered Mel Gibson and I'm like,
Speaker 2: he already did this with Brave Heart, like yeah. And
Speaker 2: the other one was Tom Cruise because everyone considers Tom
Speaker 2: Cruise at some point, and uh, Jennifer Lopez reportedly auditioned
Speaker 2: for Connie Nielsen's role. But I think Connie Nielsen's great,
Speaker 2: Like she's perfect.
Speaker 1: I really like her in this movie. I think she's
Speaker 1: really good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And Joaquin Phoenix like immediately got the part. He sent
Speaker 2: in an audition tape and they were like, that's the guy.
Speaker 2: But apparently Jude Law also wanted the part. I'm like,
Speaker 2: which I can see. Yeah, he might be an actor.
Speaker 1: He would have been good too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. Uh So this movie was nominated for twelve Oscars.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry that baffles me. It was what else came
Speaker 2: out that year? Exactly? Yes, and it won five. I
Speaker 2: also want to tell you it was nominated for a
Speaker 2: bunch of MTV Movie Awards that I get. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: we're gonna go through the Oscars. So it's nominated for
Speaker 2: Best Picture. It won. Uh, it was nominated against Oh sorry,
Speaker 2: my little screen here went away. There we go, There
Speaker 2: you are other movies chuck a lot. Yeah, okay, Crouching Tiger,
Speaker 2: Hidden Dragon.
Speaker 1: That's an excellent movie.
Speaker 2: I love Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Aaron Brockovich. That's a
Speaker 2: good movie. It's a good movie. And then Traffic. No,
Speaker 2: you don't like Traffic, No, I don't. I find it.
Speaker 1: I actually like the British one better. It's based on
Speaker 1: a British series, and I thought that was a little more.
Speaker 1: I think it's fine. I just don't love it as
Speaker 1: much as other people. That's it.
Speaker 2: I think, like a lot of people who saw Traffic,
Speaker 2: I really liked the Benicio del Toro stuff.
Speaker 1: Well yeah and.
Speaker 2: Hello yeah, And when I think about the movie, that
Speaker 2: tends to be the part I think about and I don't.
Speaker 2: And then I'm like, oh, yeah, there was the whole
Speaker 2: thing with Michael Duns's.
Speaker 1: And the pregnant Catherine Zeta Georges. Yeah, like driving around
Speaker 1: looking for crack. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it was nominated for Best Director for Ridley Scott,
Speaker 2: but he did not win the other ones where Steven
Speaker 2: Soderberg was nominated for Aaron Brockovic but he won for Traffic.
Speaker 2: He directed both of those. Yes, it's that bananas. Wow?
Speaker 1: How did he have time?
Speaker 2: I know? And then ang Lee also was nominated for
Speaker 2: Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, which he should have won for.
Speaker 2: This would have been my That would have been my pick,
Speaker 2: like Crouching Tiger, Hitten Dragon. And then Stephen Daldry for
Speaker 2: Billy Elliott, which is a good movie, which is a
Speaker 2: good movie too. So Russell Crowe won for Best Actor
Speaker 2: against who Javier Javier Bardem for Before Night Falls.
Speaker 1: I never seen that.
Speaker 2: I haven't either, Tom Hanks for Castaway he was great
Speaker 2: and Castaway Yeah, Ed Harris for Pollock, Oh I hate
Speaker 2: that movie. Yeah. Marcia gay Harden won Best Supporting Actress
Speaker 2: for that, and I'm like, I love Marcia gay Harden but.
Speaker 1: The long suffering wife to the genius.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then Jeffrey Rush was nominated for Quills.
Speaker 1: Oh God, I remember, God, that's so two thousand. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think Russell Crowe's win here is like a makeup
Speaker 2: oscar because the year before he was nominated for The Insider.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was really good not and he was
Speaker 1: so good.
Speaker 2: And I don't remember who won, but I mean Tom
Speaker 2: Hanks had already won twice I think by this point,
Speaker 2: so I don't think they were going to give him
Speaker 2: another one. But he was so good in Castaway, and
Speaker 2: we did a whole episode on Castaway. Joaquin Phoenix was
Speaker 2: nominated for Gladiator, but he did not win. Benicio del
Speaker 2: Toro won for Traffic. Some of the other ones, you'll
Speaker 2: love this one. Jeff Bridges for The Contender.
Speaker 1: I love that movie.
Speaker 2: We did a whole episode on The Contender a long
Speaker 2: time ago, so your first time on the show. I
Speaker 2: think it might have been. Yeah, that's when we realized
Speaker 2: that we need to get rid of the other person.
Speaker 2: The show originally had a different co host, and then
Speaker 2: the minute Margo came on, both of us were like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is our show now bye by sorry Smith anyway.
Speaker 2: William Dafoe for Shadow of the Vampire. It's a good movie.
Speaker 2: And then Albert Finney for Aaron Brockovic, which he was good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was good in that movie. Yeah, it was good
Speaker 2: in that too, And then it was nominated for things
Speaker 2: like screenplay, but almost Famous One.
Speaker 1: Okay stop That screenplay was nominated for an oscar Yes, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, in tons of interviews, Russell Crow's like
Speaker 1: there was like thirty pages of a script and they
Speaker 1: they had to like write it as.
Speaker 2: They were going along, and yeah in the like whole like,
Speaker 2: am I not Percival? Like that's ad libbed? Like I'm
Speaker 2: like it's bananas to me that it was nominated for
Speaker 2: screenplay and it did not win because again like almost
Speaker 2: famous one, and that feels very appropriate because that's very
Speaker 2: well written. Was there? It was, you know, And it
Speaker 2: was nominated for other things like sound, Yeah, you know
Speaker 2: which that I get. Yeah, it won for sound. It
Speaker 2: didn't win for art direction because Crouching Tiger won. It
Speaker 2: was nominated nominated for cinematography, but Crouching Tiger won that
Speaker 2: as well, very well deserved. It won for Best Costume
Speaker 2: Design and it lost for film Editing, and it won
Speaker 2: for visual effects.
Speaker 1: So with the tiger scene alone, it deserves it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The other things for visual effects were hollow Man,
Speaker 2: did you ever see that? And then the Perfect.
Speaker 1: Storm that is that could have been That should have
Speaker 1: been such a great movie because it has everything that
Speaker 1: story has everything and it just doesn't add up for
Speaker 1: some reason.
Speaker 2: We should talk about that movie something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because and I've seen it a dozen times at least. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm always like, how did they fuck this up? That's
Speaker 1: always the way what I want that, which is not
Speaker 1: the way you should do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you want to hear some of the MTV
Speaker 2: Movie Awards stuff? Sure, Okay, why not? Let me go
Speaker 2: down here. So it won for Best Movie. The other
Speaker 2: best movies, though, were Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Aaron Brockovic, Hannibal, Hannibal, Hannibal,
Speaker 2: and The X Men movie, which was the very first
Speaker 2: like which I've ever seen. Yeah, one of those, like
Speaker 2: one of the first like comic book movies to come
Speaker 2: out in a really long time. But I love the
Speaker 2: MTV nominated Aaron Brokovich. That seems like.
Speaker 1: Well Julia Roberts, Yeah, like she was having a year
Speaker 1: when that movie came out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was nominated for Best Action Sequence, but it
Speaker 2: did not win. It lost to a motorcycle chase from
Speaker 2: Mission Impossible Too, which is come on, yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: it's Mission Impossible too. Russell Crowe did not win Best
Speaker 2: Male Performance because he lost to Tom Cruise for Mission
Speaker 2: Impossible too. Let's see other things. It was nominated do
Speaker 2: do do? I know there's one here you're gonna love.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: There was a best Fight and it was Russell Crowe
Speaker 2: and the Tigers, but he did not win because the
Speaker 2: Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon where she totally destroys an entire bar.
Speaker 2: That one, yeah, that's the best. And then there was
Speaker 2: It was nominated for Best Line for it vexes me.
Speaker 2: I'm terribly vexed. It did not win because it lost
Speaker 2: to my favorite movie, Meet the Parents, where it says
Speaker 2: are you a pothead? Fucker?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 2: Everyone one remembers that line, So I hate the I
Speaker 2: hate it. Oh. Also, Joaquin Phoenix was nominated for Best Villain,
Speaker 2: but he lost to Jim Carrey for The Grinch.
Speaker 1: Are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 2: I am not fucking kidding you.
Speaker 1: Oh that Grinch movie is terrible.
Speaker 2: I do eat. I hate it.
Speaker 1: It's so ugly, yes, and just ugly ugly like and
Speaker 1: it's like it's shot with like broken light bulbs.
Speaker 2: It's so dark.
Speaker 1: I hate it. I hate that movie.
Speaker 2: This is why you and I had to do the
Speaker 2: show together. Younger people love that version.
Speaker 1: They didn't have it. They didn't grow up with the
Speaker 1: other one, which, yeah, the animated one so and which
Speaker 1: is superb.
Speaker 2: And so that's why I think there was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jim Carrey did a Yeah, that one annoys me,
Speaker 1: but he did do a Scrooge one of the Scrooge movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Christmas Carol Wich. I thought was pretty good. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I really don't like it. And thankfully the younger generation
Speaker 2: out so like my thirteen year old, he has no
Speaker 2: interest in the live action Grinch, and he watches the
Speaker 2: original animated Grinch, and he watches the more recent animated
Speaker 2: Grinch that came out in twenty seventeen, which is actually
Speaker 2: really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people tell me that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I watched it with him and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is actually really delightful and fun and has a
Speaker 2: really good message. It's not mean, it's not dark. It's
Speaker 2: very very good. So I recommend that one. And that's it.
Speaker 2: That's it for that, all right.
Speaker 1: Do you want to hear about the top ten songs
Speaker 1: for when this came out.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to know any of these.
Speaker 1: I I okay, some of them are.
Speaker 2: So it starts number ten Sonic Sonic s.
Speaker 1: O N I Que it feels so good. Nope, lone
Speaker 1: Star Amazed.
Speaker 2: Okay, I do know this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Number eight Vertical Horizon Everything you Want. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: stupid song.
Speaker 2: Okay, I do know that one. That one is still
Speaker 2: played all the time on all the like SiriusXM Pop
Speaker 2: Rocks channel.
Speaker 1: You can't get away from it. Number seven somebody I
Speaker 1: thought would be bigger, Macy Gray.
Speaker 2: I try, Yeah, I agree. She Oh here, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: admit something that everyone's gonna make fun of me for
Speaker 2: I loved the Dave Matthews Band and saw the Dave
Speaker 2: Matthews Band like a gazillion times back in the day,
Speaker 2: and Macy Gray opened for them, and she was so
Speaker 2: good and so fun and funky, and I was like,
Speaker 2: she's gonna be huge.
Speaker 1: And then where, yeah, where'd she go?
Speaker 2: Uh? Here we go?
Speaker 1: Number six in sync Bye Bye Bye, which is a
Speaker 1: really good song. I'm sorry, that's a bop and that
Speaker 1: video is great. Number that was Number six sorry. Number
Speaker 1: five Destiny's Child Say My Name.
Speaker 2: That's a good one too. I know more than I thought.
Speaker 1: Number four Cisco the Thong song.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well you couldn't get away, We coudn't escape that.
Speaker 1: There's another one you couldn't escape from. Number three Faith
Speaker 1: Hill with Breathe.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that was. It's a slow song, yeah.
Speaker 1: Very slow song. Number two Tony Braxton, He wasn't man enough.
Speaker 2: I love Tony Braxton. I don't remember that song, but
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Remember that song either.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And number one Santana Maria Maria.
Speaker 2: Thank god you didn't say smooth.
Speaker 1: We hate smooth. We hate the song smooth.
Speaker 2: Well. I don't like Marie Maria either, but I would
Speaker 2: take it over smooth, fucking smooth. Now it's gonna show
Speaker 2: up on my radio, like every time it comes up
Speaker 2: on the show. I get in my car, turn it on,
Speaker 2: and fucking smooth comes on. I swear to god, my friend,
Speaker 2: what else are you jarky out about? I am really
Speaker 2: enjoying Netflix.
Speaker 1: Cobra Kai is back.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you've been faithful, you've been watching I'm very faithful.
Speaker 1: So that's that's been a fun distraction. I I'm loving
Speaker 1: Shrinking on Apple Plus.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, such a good show, the best, the best.
Speaker 2: I love Shrinking so much.
Speaker 1: On Peacock I saw I started watching Making Manson and
Speaker 1: then I had to stop because yeah, they attempt to
Speaker 1: humanize him more, which he does.
Speaker 2: It need no, thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The whole thing is like, don't you feel sad he
Speaker 1: had this really sad upbringing, Like yeah, millions of people do.
Speaker 1: He's a shit He's a shithead, like yeah. So then
Speaker 1: I was mad at myself, like why am I watching this?
Speaker 1: I knew this is gonna happen. So then I went
Speaker 1: back to my real housewife. So Beverly Hills this week premiered.
Speaker 2: It was great.
Speaker 1: It's worth if you put the ten twelve years into.
Speaker 2: It delivered, just could you just pick it up this No,
Speaker 2: you would be like you would miss stuff you would miss.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe you'd think it was fun.
Speaker 2: I mean it's not. It's very stylized. If you like selling.
Speaker 1: Sunset, Yeah, it's kind of looking like that these days.
Speaker 1: But you're not going to understand the little things that happen,
Speaker 1: and that's that's a shame. But Yeah, Dorey who was
Speaker 1: going to get fired was everyone's been talking about she
Speaker 1: needs to get fired, like a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: and she split with her husband and she's just decided
Speaker 1: everything's burning around me, Like she's going to get her
Speaker 1: house foreclosed on, like that's what's happening right now.
Speaker 2: She's just she's getting divorced from her husband.
Speaker 1: Turns out she keeps saying he's an alcoholic, like they
Speaker 1: never mentioned it for years, and so she's anyway. So
Speaker 1: it was really fun. It was a good distraction. And
Speaker 1: then of course SLC so.
Speaker 2: We say this every week. It's the best.
Speaker 1: It's the best show. These women are insane, they're batshit crazy. Yes,
Speaker 1: they take no accountability for their behavior.
Speaker 2: They are so fucking petty too, like Jeddy and immature. Yes,
Speaker 2: so good. It's so great.
Speaker 1: And they're all like in their forties and fifties, but
Speaker 1: they might as well be like fifteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, you're too old to be acting this way.
Speaker 2: Like they just they're so shitty. They just hold grudges,
Speaker 2: they take no accountability. So petty, so good, but it's
Speaker 2: so great.
Speaker 1: So the woman that named Mary, she runs a religion
Speaker 1: in Salt Lake City. That's that's not Mormon. Yes, And
Speaker 1: she inherited, Yeah, she inherited from her grandmother and her
Speaker 1: grandmother and her mother didn't get along and Mary didn't
Speaker 1: get along with her mother. So when her grandmother died,
Speaker 1: Mary married her step grandfather, in order to inherit the
Speaker 1: church and all of the businesses attached to the church.
Speaker 2: One of the funniest things from season one was like
Speaker 2: it had to be like Jenshaw was like, yes, let's
Speaker 2: all take advice from the lady who married her own grandpa.
Speaker 1: And she was so offended that she had a conversation
Speaker 1: with this idiot woman named Brittany, who's who's like on
Speaker 1: the Tinder apps like dating all the but apparently the
Speaker 1: Mormons they're not supposed to they say, Look, they say
Speaker 1: they're not supposed to drink and they're not supposed to
Speaker 1: have sex unless they're married. Yeah, and these women are
Speaker 1: not following those rules.
Speaker 2: Literally they pick and choose which one of the which
Speaker 2: of the things they want to obey, and then right, yeah.
Speaker 1: And when Mary first met Brittany, who's dating a third
Speaker 1: tier Osmond by the way, that they're all like, woo,
Speaker 1: third tier you're generous society of being generous there, but
Speaker 1: they were. When they first met each other, Mary said, oh,
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, there was five kids.
Speaker 2: We never had enough of anything. We did have food,
Speaker 2: and so.
Speaker 1: Brittany said, oh, I grew up poor too. I know
Speaker 1: that it feels and Mary was so offended, like we.
Speaker 2: We're not poor, we just ended just neglected. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: Mary decides to run a breakfast at Tiffany's party in
Speaker 2: her home to prove that she's not or it seems
Speaker 2: like a lot of going to great lengths to prove
Speaker 2: Brittany wrong. But so she invites everyone and they're all
Speaker 2: supposed to dress up, and like, some of them do
Speaker 2: and some of them don't, and like Mary's breakfast Activity's party.
Speaker 1: So she's like, I want you to do your style,
Speaker 1: be your stylish best, be a stili on.
Speaker 2: So if it's breakfast activities, it's what is it?
Speaker 1: It's Audrey Hepper little back dress, you know, up due simple,
Speaker 1: it's simple but but classy.
Speaker 2: So Bronwin shows up first. Beautiful, Yeah, she's beautiful, Like
Speaker 2: looks great. Yeah, she's got a little clip on bangs
Speaker 2: to like right, do the like party, Yeah, do the
Speaker 2: little Audrey hepburn like short bangs. She looks lovely, she
Speaker 2: looks so cute.
Speaker 1: And she's like me, she showed up too early, and
Speaker 1: so she's awkwardly standing around, which I've done.
Speaker 2: She showed up right on time because she was afraid
Speaker 2: of Mary, and like even Mary's not down there.
Speaker 1: She has to make and it's odd is that, like
Speaker 1: those are parishioners that she's recruited to be.
Speaker 2: Her waiters and staff. But then Meredith shows up, and
Speaker 2: Meredith is.
Speaker 1: She puts a wig on her head and it looks
Speaker 1: like it's put on backwards to provide a bang effect,
Speaker 1: but it looks like she's wearing a two pay backwards.
Speaker 2: It's the bang starring. The bangs look like Russell Crow's
Speaker 2: Caesar cut in Yeah, Laddie, Like it's all pc and
Speaker 2: weird and like it just looks bad, and like all
Speaker 2: of the women are like shit talking her by her
Speaker 2: back about these fucking bangs. She butught she thinks she
Speaker 2: looks great. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's so proud of herself. And then just throughout this,
Speaker 1: you know, there is a whole thing where Bron wented
Speaker 1: and Heather didn't get along with it. Don't get along,
Speaker 1: and Heather's like an og. So Heather hates everybody that's
Speaker 1: not an og. That's her whole personality. So she's roo
Speaker 1: to bron Wyn. So Bron and her husband are having
Speaker 1: their tenth anniversary in Palm Springs and she's like, we're
Speaker 1: going to invite people to come and celebrate with us,
Speaker 1: and she didn't bring the other because either was an asshole.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why would you to her? Why do you want
Speaker 2: to invite someone?
Speaker 1: Her?
Speaker 2: Or Brittany by the way, who are have been so shitty,
Speaker 2: rude and right just like you know, well, why don't
Speaker 2: you have a prenup? It's because you're a gold digger,
Speaker 2: blah blah. Why would they invite Why would she invite
Speaker 2: you to her anniversary party?
Speaker 1: First of all, it's exactly it's not.
Speaker 2: Your business if she has a prenup or not mind
Speaker 2: your business. Heather and Brittany and two like you both
Speaker 2: acted like a couple of cunts. Of course she's not
Speaker 2: going to invite you and the like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they tried to like goadly, you didn't invite us,
Speaker 1: Well why didn't you? And she says to Bron when
Speaker 1: bron Win said, I wanted to bring you, And for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, Bron and her husband flew everybody private there
Speaker 1: and then when they flew them back, it was on
Speaker 1: commercial and that was a power move on her part. Yes,
Speaker 1: so she and her husband were in first class and
Speaker 1: the rest was coach. Now, Palm Springs to Salt Lake
Speaker 1: City is an hour flight. It is not a big deal.
Speaker 1: It's like flying to San Francisco from LA or something.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter where you sit, you know, it's an
Speaker 1: hour flight.
Speaker 2: You'll be done.
Speaker 1: But of course Lisa had a meltdown about it, and
Speaker 1: so then Heather's trying to weaponize that, like how come
Speaker 1: you put them and coach and you got the first
Speaker 1: class seat?
Speaker 2: She says, because it was my goddamn credit card.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just shut them the fuck up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's my fucking money. Fuck you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were rude, you were mean, you said shitty things,
Speaker 1: and they kind of had to deal with it. So
Speaker 1: then they had a moment where Heather's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's try to move forward, like okay, okay, and then
Speaker 1: Brittany just shoots up and says and Nobody's like, no
Speaker 1: one knows you, no one likes you. All you do
Speaker 1: is talk about men that you talk about him like
Speaker 1: you're twelve years old.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you and it's just I'm sorry. It's so great.
Speaker 1: It was so good.
Speaker 2: It's so good, Like we could do entire episodes just
Speaker 2: about Salt Lake City, Like these these brods are crazy.
Speaker 1: They're amazing. And then lastly, there's a podcast that I've
Speaker 1: been listening to that's really good. It's called Radioactive and
Speaker 1: it's all about Karen Silkwood. We've talked about Silkwood, but
Speaker 1: it's an investigation into her death and what really happened.
Speaker 1: It's shocking, like it's been fifty years and people still
Speaker 1: don't know what really happened to her. She was in
Speaker 1: a car accident. She's a whistleblower at a nuclear power plant,
Speaker 1: which is also something that's you know, fifty years later,
Speaker 1: Like she was talking about regulations and how important it
Speaker 1: is to watch these industries to make sure they don't
Speaker 1: poison the water or kill their employees. You know, like
Speaker 1: shit we're dealing with now. She was treated like she
Speaker 1: was a pain in the ass because she's a woman,
Speaker 1: and she was of course was from you know, she
Speaker 1: was a single mother, she didn't have custody of her kids.
Speaker 1: People just thought she was kind of trashy and they
Speaker 1: didn't And when you listen to this podcast and this
Speaker 1: Silkwood was the movie directed by Mike Nichols and it
Speaker 1: stars Mellow Streep Share and Kurt Russell, and it's been
Speaker 1: in a rights issues for many many years and it's
Speaker 1: finally available for streaming on Hulu.
Speaker 2: And we're definitely going to cover it. It's oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe I watched it last week.
Speaker 1: It was really good. So then I found this podcast
Speaker 1: and it's basically the Investigators. They are going back fifty
Speaker 1: years to the original reports and to try to figure
Speaker 1: out like how this woman died because they said, oh, well,
Speaker 1: she fell asleep at the wheel and boom she crashed.
Speaker 1: And then when you look they described the crash seed
Speaker 1: it's like she was dragged like one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: yards was it was? It like she just hit a
Speaker 1: barrier in boom And so when you look at you're like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck happened to this woman?
Speaker 2: So anyway, that's what I'm listening to. Well, that's a
Speaker 2: good one. I'm writing that one down. I have a
Speaker 2: couple of things too. I started last night Interior or Chinatown,
Speaker 2: which is a new show on Netflix that's really really
Speaker 2: good with it stars Jimmy O Yang and Ronnie Chang
Speaker 2: from the Daily Show. He hosts The Daily Show once
Speaker 2: a week and it's it's set in like a crime drama,
Speaker 2: like a law and order type thing, and he is
Speaker 2: like a background character in like a crime drama who's
Speaker 2: working with like another detective to become like a main
Speaker 2: character on the show and solve a murder. It is
Speaker 2: very weird, an action comedy, very funny. I've only watched
Speaker 2: the first two episodes. I like where it's going, so
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep Goings based on a graphic novel that
Speaker 2: apparently is pretty popular. So Hulu did not promote this
Speaker 2: at all. I just like heard some good things on
Speaker 2: TikTok and Blue Sky and was like, I'm going to
Speaker 2: check it out, and it's really good. I'm enjoying it
Speaker 2: so far, so I recommend Interior Chinatown. And what else
Speaker 2: am I watching? Oh? I saw Wicked. This movie called Wicked. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've heard about it. Yeah, I saw that. I have
Speaker 2: never seen the stage show, which apparently is a bananas
Speaker 2: thing to say when you live in San Francisco because
Speaker 2: it like opened here and people are very precious about
Speaker 2: Wicked and the fact that the you know saw it
Speaker 2: and it's many many runs here. I have never seen it.
Speaker 2: I know like two songs.
Speaker 1: I've never seen it either. I tried reading the book
Speaker 1: in like two different book groups and could not get
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 2: Oh, interesting.
Speaker 1: But I heard that the play is pretty different from
Speaker 1: the book, the original novel.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just for some reason, some of them, I just
Speaker 1: you know, they get expensive, it's hard to get a ticket,
Speaker 1: and then like, yeah, it'll be made into a movie
Speaker 1: one day, So here we.
Speaker 2: Are and here you are. I really I liked here's
Speaker 2: another one. I'm like, it's like two and a half
Speaker 2: hours long. So if like musicals, you're like, hmm, then
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is where you want to start.
Speaker 2: But I liked it. I thought the performances were really good.
Speaker 2: I think they have amazing singing voices. I love the
Speaker 2: sets and the costume. I love musicals, so I'm very
Speaker 2: entertained by that. The movie was surprisingly sad in some
Speaker 2: spots that I was I didn't know that's where it
Speaker 2: was going. Other people in the audience are like super
Speaker 2: fans and they know all the songs and they loved it,
Speaker 2: and they were telling me afterwards like it could go
Speaker 2: on forever and I would be so happy, and like
Speaker 2: they loved being in the world, and they really really
Speaker 2: loved it for me, like two of the songs were
Speaker 2: catchy and the rest I don't remember. Already and hasn't
Speaker 2: even been a week, so it's and it's a part one,
Speaker 2: which again it's quite long, so I'm curious what part
Speaker 2: two is going to be. Like, I still I really
Speaker 2: liked it. I thought it was good, and I know
Speaker 2: that it's insanely popular and it's bringing a bunch of
Speaker 2: people into the theater because I went to see another
Speaker 2: movie I'm going to talk about in a second, and
Speaker 2: Wicked was playing in the big theater and it was
Speaker 2: packed three hundred and fifty people on a Thursday night,
Speaker 2: So pretty good. Yeah, no, good for them, Yeah, and
Speaker 2: they and they it was a lot of younger people
Speaker 2: and they were really excited and they were taking pictures
Speaker 2: and the standis and the posters, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I love that. Anything that makes people excited to go
Speaker 2: to the movies makes me happy. So it's again another
Speaker 2: one that considering everything that's happening in the world. You
Speaker 2: can't see me, but I'm waving my arms around. There's
Speaker 2: definitely things that you will react to in the movie
Speaker 2: that you're like, well, that feels appropriate, and in one
Speaker 2: way or another, it's a good one. And then I
Speaker 2: will end it with I saw a real pain with
Speaker 2: Jesse Eisenberg and Karen Colkin and it and Jennifer Gray,
Speaker 2: isn't it by the way, Like it took me in
Speaker 2: really yes, And I was like, wait a second, I
Speaker 2: read her book, Oh did you like her book?
Speaker 1: Something? It was okay, it was it was it was good,
Speaker 1: you know, something about baby in the corner, something about
Speaker 1: being in the corner because obviously that line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, yeah, she got a nose job in
Speaker 2: the nineties and it made her pretty unrecognizable. So it
Speaker 2: took me a little while. And then I was like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, it's Jennifer gre took me a minute. But
Speaker 2: it's really about kieren Co. It's written and directed by
Speaker 2: Jesse Eisenberg, who was in like The Social Network, and
Speaker 2: Karen kolkaan everyone knows who that is. And they play
Speaker 2: cousins who are going to poland their grandmother has their
Speaker 2: their Jewish grandmother has passed away, and they are going
Speaker 2: on this pilgrimage to learn more about what it was
Speaker 2: like for her when she's growing up and like visit
Speaker 2: the house she grew up in and things like that,
Speaker 2: and they join like a tour group and then they
Speaker 2: kind of separate from the tour group and do their thing,
Speaker 2: and it's a lot about like their relationship, about you know,
Speaker 2: difficult family members. You grow up with people and then
Speaker 2: you kind of drift apart and trying to stay connected
Speaker 2: to It's very sweet and funny and sad, all of
Speaker 2: those things. And it's like this like small, quiet, little
Speaker 2: movie that was such a pleasure to watch. And I
Speaker 2: was like, I can't even believe it's playing in a
Speaker 2: theater because it's not Wicked. It's not Gladiator too. It's
Speaker 2: small and quiet and sweet and something that you would
Speaker 2: have seen in the nineties during like the indie movement,
Speaker 2: the indie film movement, I feel. And they're both really
Speaker 2: good in it, and I really loved Kiaran Kulkin in it.
Speaker 2: He is could get nominated for stuff. I think he's
Speaker 2: really really great. And now I think I'm finally ready
Speaker 2: to watch Succession, so maybe I'll do that. Did you
Speaker 2: watch Succession? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Of course?
Speaker 2: Okay? Was he good at Everyone says he's great in it,
Speaker 2: so yeah, of course. Yeah. Like I'm like, okay, fine,
Speaker 2: I'll watch six Session now that it's over and nobody
Speaker 2: cares anymore. But uh, that's a pretty good list. We've
Speaker 2: given people here, I think if you like the sound
Speaker 2: of our voices. We also co host a podcast called
Speaker 2: What a Creep, where we talk about creeps of the
Speaker 2: past and the present. Our episode out Right Now is
Speaker 2: about some asshole named Ken Star you might remember him
Speaker 2: from The Star Report, Yeah, and just being a real
Speaker 2: piece of shit, So enjoy that episode. But we always
Speaker 2: end the episode with someone who's not a creep, so
Speaker 2: you don't think the whole world is a dumpster fire.
Speaker 2: And Margo picked an excellent non creep for that because
Speaker 2: she's really good at this. Ah speaking of really good
Speaker 2: at this. Where can people find you on the internet,
Speaker 2: my friend, you.
Speaker 1: Can find me at Brooklynfitchick dot com. I'm at Brooklynfitchick
Speaker 1: for threads and Instagram, and then I'm at Brooklyn Margo
Speaker 1: on blue Sky and TikTok, and then I'm at my
Speaker 1: name for YouTube. Margo Donahue.
Speaker 2: Yes, follow her on YouTube. She's always sharing cool clips
Speaker 2: and she's going to be promoting her book soon. No
Speaker 2: big deal, no big deal, just a book that she wrote.
Speaker 1: It's kind of way next year, so I'll try not
Speaker 1: to bombar y'all with it until it's time.
Speaker 2: But you get ready, please bombard me. You can find
Speaker 2: me at the Sonya Show dot com and the Sonya
Speaker 2: Show on Twitter. Sorry, oh my god, that was habit.
Speaker 2: You can't find me on Twitter. I'm not on Twitter anymore.
Speaker 2: You can find me on Blue Sky and threads and
Speaker 2: Instagram and Facebook and the TikTok. And you can find
Speaker 2: dorking Out at dorkinoutshow dot com or just dorkinout dot com.
Speaker 2: By the way, I found out that I bought both,
Speaker 2: and you can also find dorking Out on threads and
Speaker 2: Blue Sky and Instagram and Facebook as well. Thanks for
Speaker 2: talking about Gladiator with me. This was really fun.
Speaker 1: I am not vexed, but you're very merciful.
Speaker 2: Have I not merciful? Margo