1 00:00:28,559 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Great Detectives of Old Time Radio from Boise, Idaho. 2 00:00:35,359 --> 00:00:39,000 This is your host, Adam Graham. In a moment, we're 3 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:42,719 going to bring you the big story. But first, I 4 00:00:42,759 --> 00:00:45,679 do want to encourage you, if you're enjoying the podcast, 5 00:00:45,759 --> 00:00:51,039 to please follow us using your favorite podcast software. And 6 00:00:51,119 --> 00:00:53,200 I also want to encourage you to check out our 7 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:58,200 other podcast, and today I'm highlighting the Amazing World of Radio. 8 00:00:58,679 --> 00:01:03,119 The Amazing World of is a series where we play 9 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:07,079 all kinds of things with a variety of different specials 10 00:01:07,239 --> 00:01:12,719 and mini series. 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Listen to the Amazing World of Radio at 22 00:01:57,879 --> 00:02:02,560 Amazing Great Detectives Net. And then we'll be back with 23 00:02:02,799 --> 00:02:07,200 our annual Christmas episodes later on in December. Now Here 24 00:02:07,359 --> 00:02:11,319 from November twenty sixth, nineteen forty seven is the Case 25 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,360 of the Unfinished Love Song. 26 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 2: Pall Mel Famous Cigarettes present The Big Story. 27 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 3: What do you think of going? 28 00:02:22,759 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 4: Get out of my way? Oh no, you don't. I 29 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:24,800 saw you hold up that store. 30 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,199 Speaker 2: Give me that gun, Get out of my way? 31 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:26,479 Speaker 4: Give it? 32 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,759 Speaker 1: I mean, okay, you asked for here? 33 00:02:31,879 --> 00:02:33,439 Speaker 5: Hey, why don't you look where you're going? 34 00:02:33,479 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 6: Get out of my way, sister, and get out of 35 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,439 a fash You remember something for your health? 36 00:02:37,719 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 7: You didn't see nothing. 37 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:39,479 Speaker 4: Get it. 38 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 5: And the Big Story. 39 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 2: Another in a thrilling series based on true experiences of 40 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,800 newspaper reporters. Tonight to Howard Buffet of the Cleveland News 41 00:02:55,199 --> 00:03:06,159 goes the pall Mel Award for the Big Story. John, 42 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,520 Now the exciting and authentic story of the Case of 43 00:03:10,599 --> 00:03:18,280 the Unfinished Love Song. 44 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 8: You are Howard Beaufain, columnist and roving editor for the 45 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,599 Cleveland News. As such, you have the rare privilege of 46 00:03:37,639 --> 00:03:41,360 covering any story that strikes your fancy and on this 47 00:03:41,599 --> 00:03:43,719 warm spring evening you. 48 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:45,199 Speaker 4: Are going to jail. 49 00:03:45,879 --> 00:03:48,919 Speaker 8: You're going to pay a visit to a murderer. So 50 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,599 you pass through the prison gate and walk slowly down 51 00:03:52,639 --> 00:03:56,159 the long prison card, hearing the light echo of your 52 00:03:56,199 --> 00:03:58,199 footsteps on the stone floor. 53 00:03:59,159 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 9: And then you'll hear. 54 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:11,439 Speaker 8: Something else, a violin playing a sad, haunting melody. The 55 00:04:11,599 --> 00:04:15,159 music swells and you'll follow it until you find yourself 56 00:04:15,199 --> 00:04:18,800 standing in front of a prison cell, watching a dark 57 00:04:18,879 --> 00:04:25,560 haired man coax music from a battered violin. Nick veris murderer, 58 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,199 Hello Verse, I'll go on playing. 59 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 6: No, I just do it to pass the time away. 60 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,439 The air here snaps the strings. Mind if I talk 61 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,920 to you that all the time in the world life. 62 00:04:40,519 --> 00:04:43,439 My name's Beaufay. I'm a reporter from the Cleveland News. 63 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 3: What brings you here to see me? Mister Beaufay? 64 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 4: How is at your trial? Nick? I think it's possible 65 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:49,519 that you're not guilty. 66 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 3: Thank you? 67 00:04:52,319 --> 00:04:53,759 Speaker 4: There Isn't it interest you to know that some one 68 00:04:53,759 --> 00:04:54,600 thinks you didn't do it. 69 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 3: A lot of people think I didn't do it, mister 70 00:04:56,759 --> 00:04:58,600 beaufat But I've been in. 71 00:04:58,639 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 4: Jail two years and I like to work on the case. 72 00:05:01,759 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 3: Nick, it's all yours. 73 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 4: Any leads want me to follow up? 74 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:10,959 Speaker 3: Well, you might go and see Jonnie Johnnie my wife. 75 00:05:11,319 --> 00:05:14,680 Oh maybe she can help you. Well, maybe you can 76 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,120 help her, Not that she needs anything. She got herself 77 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,639 a job as chief hostess at the best restaurant in town, 78 00:05:22,399 --> 00:05:23,240 the Bell Parry. 79 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 4: All right, I'll look her up. 80 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 3: I'm mister Beaufe. Sail over it for me. 81 00:05:30,879 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 7: Leah Joan Perris a hostess here. 82 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 2: Oh no, monsieur, we don't employ any hostesses at the 83 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:51,680 Bell Parie restaurant. 84 00:05:51,680 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 8: Monsieur, that you howard both faced head to yourself. A 85 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,600 funny state of affairs. So you're go into conference with 86 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,680 the phone and the city classified, and after an hour 87 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,560 or so he end up in a dingy restaurant on 88 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,639 the shabby side of town. An uninspired string trio is 89 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,439 sawing away in a corner, So you slump down at 90 00:06:18,439 --> 00:06:21,480 the table and wait until a pretty waitress heads your way. 91 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 10: And asks, may I have your order? 92 00:06:24,199 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 4: There is your name, Joan Arrius. Yes, but I'd like 93 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,439 to talk to you. Your husband told me to see you. 94 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 10: I'm a reporter from the news, but NICKI doesn't know 95 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,800 I work here I told him I had a job. 96 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 4: I know he sent me there to find you. 97 00:06:38,879 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 10: He'd be upset if he knew I was working a 98 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:41,240 place like this. 99 00:06:41,759 --> 00:06:42,439 Speaker 4: I won't tell him. 100 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 10: Joan, Thanks, It's not that i'm mind, It's just that Nicky. 101 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 4: Would tell me about him. 102 00:06:49,439 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 10: I wouldn't know what to tell you. 103 00:06:51,399 --> 00:06:52,959 Speaker 4: Cry Well. 104 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 10: The whole thing really started when nick was in the 105 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,800 hospital recuperating from a pretty serious operation. I went to 106 00:07:00,879 --> 00:07:03,000 visit him as soon as he was out of danger. 107 00:07:05,399 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 3: Nick. Hi, Johnny, how are you wonderful now that you're here? 108 00:07:10,079 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 5: Oh darling? 109 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 10: I've been so worried about you. 110 00:07:13,879 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 3: Don't you know only the good die young? You're so 111 00:07:16,519 --> 00:07:19,519 thin well, I need care and love. I think you'd 112 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,879 better make it a full time job. What about the 113 00:07:21,959 --> 00:07:25,879 hours and the pain incomparable? When will you start right now? 114 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 5: Oh Nikki. 115 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 10: I never realized how much I loved you until I 116 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:33,240 nearly didn't have you. 117 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:35,959 Speaker 3: Oh darling, Nicky. 118 00:07:36,079 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 10: I brought you your violin here it is. 119 00:07:39,519 --> 00:07:41,399 Speaker 3: I think I still remember how to use it. 120 00:07:41,759 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 10: Why not try? We'll I play Johnny, Yes, uh c 121 00:07:52,439 --> 00:08:05,560 our songs? Oh Nikki, Nikki, I'm so happy now that 122 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:08,639 you're well again. Nothing can hurt me. Ever, I'm glad 123 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,959 that I beg your pardon. 124 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 3: Oh what is it nice? 125 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 5: But there's a man here who insists on Well, I 126 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:15,279 mean he just walked up and. 127 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 4: Plain a situation myself, Nicholas Verse, you want it in 128 00:08:19,959 --> 00:08:20,879 Cleveland for murder? 129 00:08:29,319 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 10: It happened so quickly, mister beaufaith. One minute we were alone, 130 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,919 Nick was playing our song to me, and the next 131 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,279 thing I knew he he was sendence to life imprisonment 132 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,320 for the fourteen year old murder of a man named 133 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:43,240 Frank Dandom. 134 00:08:43,879 --> 00:08:45,519 Speaker 4: He was supposed to have stopped him as he ran 135 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,320 out of a grocery store. He was supposed to have 136 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:48,720 robbed right. 137 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 10: Yes, and Nick wasn't even in Cleveland? 138 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 9: Then? 139 00:08:51,799 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 4: Were you married to him at that time? 140 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 10: No? 141 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 4: But how do you know he wasn't in Cleveland? 142 00:08:55,519 --> 00:08:56,759 Speaker 10: He told me he wasn't. 143 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 4: Can you just take his word for it? Of course, 144 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,519 you love him that much, I know him that Well, 145 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,720 there's only one thing to do. All the evidence is 146 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,720 old stuff buried for fourteen years. We've got to dig 147 00:09:09,759 --> 00:09:10,000 it up. 148 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 11: Now. 149 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:11,879 Speaker 4: I'm willing to try. 150 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 7: Are you you mean you will help me? 151 00:09:15,639 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 4: I don't know if you call it help exactly I'm 152 00:09:18,279 --> 00:09:20,919 not completely convinced of your husband's innocence, but the only 153 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:22,840 way to find out is to look into the facts. 154 00:09:23,519 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 10: Thank you for being honest, mister beaufet. What do we 155 00:09:27,039 --> 00:09:27,480 do first? 156 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 4: Our first step is the police records. Suppose I meet 157 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,159 you tomorrow morning. We'll start looking, all. 158 00:09:33,159 --> 00:09:34,919 Speaker 5: Right, I'll meet you at. 159 00:09:42,639 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 4: What's the matter. 160 00:09:43,799 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 10: Nothing, It's just that that's our soome, that's tune the 161 00:09:48,639 --> 00:09:53,279 orchestra's playing. That's Nikki's in mine every time I hear it, 162 00:09:55,879 --> 00:09:59,679 mister befa, could we start looking tonight night? 163 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,279 Speaker 4: Look, it's almost eleven o'clock. 164 00:10:01,399 --> 00:10:01,879 Speaker 8: I know, but. 165 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 10: Don't you understand? 166 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I understand. Come on, get your coat. 167 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 10: You found anything else? 168 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 4: Mister bothays, no, not yet, same stuff. Two witnesses said 169 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,600 it was Nick verse three said it wasn't, but they 170 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,159 couldn't point a finger at anyone else. 171 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,759 Speaker 10: That's all I can find. I'll go on checking these 172 00:10:44,799 --> 00:10:45,440 papers here. 173 00:10:48,799 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, what is it? 174 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 10: The police report of Frank Dandel killing nineteen twenty four 175 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:55,440 testimony of Louise Relick. 176 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,039 Speaker 4: I don't remember that name from the trial. 177 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 10: She wasn't called at the trial, but the testimony of 178 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,879 this girl is that she was waiting for a street 179 00:11:04,919 --> 00:11:07,159 car when a man with a gun ran out of 180 00:11:07,159 --> 00:11:10,000 the grocery store that was just robbed, and she saw 181 00:11:10,039 --> 00:11:10,639 his face. 182 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,159 Speaker 4: Clearly, give me that paper. The gunman was identified as 183 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,559 James Corbett, notorious gangster from the Flats area of Cleveland. 184 00:11:17,639 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 10: It wasn't nicky, she said, it wasn't nicky. 185 00:11:22,519 --> 00:11:25,399 Speaker 4: You go on home, Joan, I'll call you in the morning. 186 00:11:25,879 --> 00:11:27,879 What are you going to do a little investigating on 187 00:11:27,919 --> 00:11:30,600 my own? I'd like to check this report and find 188 00:11:30,639 --> 00:11:45,039 out why that girl was never called to testify. Well, 189 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,480 here it is, John. The girl, Louise Relic, was taken 190 00:11:48,519 --> 00:11:51,279 before the grand jury in nineteen twenty four, but she 191 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,120 refused to talk any further. Why she lived in the 192 00:11:54,159 --> 00:11:57,320 Flats area where Harve Dward's boss. She's evidently afraid of 193 00:11:57,399 --> 00:11:59,799 him and his gang. The deposition was no. 194 00:11:59,759 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 5: Bill, What does that mean? 195 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 4: Oh? Drop buried dead? Finished? 196 00:12:03,799 --> 00:12:03,919 Speaker 7: Well? 197 00:12:03,919 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 10: What about Halvd? Where is he now? 198 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,799 Speaker 4: He happens to be locked up from murder in the 199 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:12,159 Ohio Penitentiary, Ohio prison, and in the same cell block 200 00:12:12,159 --> 00:12:14,759 with Nicholas Verus. You know, jo And I think I 201 00:12:14,759 --> 00:12:16,440 ought to pay another visit to that cell block. 202 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,519 Speaker 2: Ah, we return you to your narrator, Bob Sloan and 203 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:29,840 Tonight's big story. 204 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 8: You, Howard Beaufet of the Cleveland News, are once again 205 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,720 walking down a carda of the Ohio State Prison. 206 00:12:37,399 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 3: You've just learned that it's the same prison that. 207 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 8: Houses James Horvad, accused of the murder for which Nick 208 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,919 Veris is serving time. And as you walk, you hear 209 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,200 faintly the same melody you heard as you walk down 210 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:52,799 the prison karda once before. 211 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 3: Only this time the music hurts you. 212 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 8: It hurts you because you know the story behind that 213 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:04,759 unfa this love song, the story of two unhappy people. 214 00:13:05,799 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 9: You reached the cell. 215 00:13:07,879 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 4: Hello, Nick, did you see John? Yeah, when just left 216 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,720 her a few hours ago. Probably see her again this afternoon. 217 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,519 Speaker 3: They only let me see her twice a month. 218 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 4: How is she ah fine? 219 00:13:19,279 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 3: When she comes to see me. It's hard to tell 220 00:13:20,759 --> 00:13:23,000 if she really looks all right through that screen they 221 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,240 have of She's fine, Nick. What dress was she wearing 222 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:27,759 when you saw dress? 223 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 4: Oh? Well, sort of green thing I think. 224 00:13:32,879 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 3: With kind of white stuff up at the top. Yeah, 225 00:13:36,639 --> 00:13:38,120 I bought that for her just before. 226 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:40,399 Speaker 4: How's a new job? 227 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 3: The hostess thing? 228 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 4: What's fine? 229 00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 3: I'm glad she has a nice job like that. 230 00:13:44,639 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 4: Ah. 231 00:13:45,039 --> 00:13:49,759 Speaker 3: Sure, she's helpless about little things, you know, like always 232 00:13:49,799 --> 00:13:52,840 forgetting to carry a handkerchief. She always gets all dressed 233 00:13:52,919 --> 00:13:54,320 up to go out and then has to borrow my 234 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,320 handkerchief when she cries at the movies because she forgets her. 235 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,559 Do you have any trouble form. 236 00:14:01,399 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 4: Try to talk to the wrong gallant person? And I 237 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,759 heard explaining myself. 238 00:14:07,919 --> 00:14:10,759 Speaker 3: I'll bet you did. Well, how'd you find Johnny? 239 00:14:10,919 --> 00:14:13,759 Speaker 4: Oh she is over with this flysback joint, slinging hash. 240 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 3: But she was slinging hash. 241 00:14:18,519 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 4: Well, that is. 242 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:20,279 Speaker 3: Jonny slinging hash. 243 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 4: Look, Nick, I'm sorry. 244 00:14:21,679 --> 00:14:24,279 Speaker 3: She told me she got a job as hostess. I 245 00:14:24,279 --> 00:14:25,759 thought it was an easy job and it would make 246 00:14:25,799 --> 00:14:28,440 things nicer for her. I didn't know she'd have to 247 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,679 sling food in a one arm joint. So that's the 248 00:14:31,679 --> 00:14:34,360 way to do it. Stick a guy away in a 249 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,080 cell with a number pen on his back, and forget 250 00:14:36,159 --> 00:14:40,720 him and then his wife. Something that just keeps sliving, 251 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:47,759 something that doesn't matter. Well, it matters to me. It 252 00:14:47,799 --> 00:14:49,200 matters to me well than anything in the world. And 253 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,240 they can't do it. If I could break out of 254 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,080 this place, I'd murtter every one of them with bare hands. 255 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:54,120 I'd really murder this time. 256 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,679 Speaker 4: Joy surely pretty easy, Nick. 257 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:13,639 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, But my wife I. 258 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,039 Speaker 4: Know, I know, Nick. She helped me dig up some 259 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,480 news for you. We found the testimony of a girl 260 00:15:19,519 --> 00:15:21,240 who was standing on a street corner when the killer 261 00:15:21,279 --> 00:15:24,279 ran by in nineteen twenty four. She identified him as 262 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:25,080 James Horvad. 263 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:26,919 Speaker 3: Why didn't the girl testify in court? 264 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 4: She refused to appear. The record was just forgotten. 265 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,799 Speaker 3: All that must have been the one? Then? Can anybody 266 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:33,600 get him to admit it? 267 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 4: I don't know. 268 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:35,879 Speaker 3: Do you think he's the killer? 269 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 4: I don't know, Dank. 270 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,039 Speaker 3: Maybe they had a hunch about that girl when they 271 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:40,960 offered me that deal? 272 00:15:42,039 --> 00:15:42,639 Speaker 4: What deal? 273 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 3: They told me that except the plea of gilly to 274 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:46,080 a man slaughter charge? 275 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:46,919 Speaker 7: What sure? 276 00:15:47,919 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 4: That way? 277 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 3: They said I could serve eight months and get parole. 278 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:52,279 Speaker 4: Why didn't you tell me this in the first place? 279 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 3: I figured it was old water over the dam. 280 00:15:54,559 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 4: I look, Nick, I'll be frank with you. I've been 281 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,879 following up this case because it's good human interest stuff. 282 00:16:00,559 --> 00:16:02,399 Up to now, I wasn't convinced that you were innocent, 283 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,120 although I had a hunch you might be of passing 284 00:16:05,159 --> 00:16:07,120 up a chance to get off with an eight month sentence. 285 00:16:07,879 --> 00:16:11,000 That rings a bell with me. I'm going to talk 286 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:11,440 to Horbet. 287 00:16:11,519 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 3: Thanks, mister Baffy onh Look eh oh, when you see Johnny, 288 00:16:15,879 --> 00:16:17,879 don't don't tell her. I know about her being away 289 00:16:17,919 --> 00:16:22,519 to s nut place and know how it is. I 290 00:16:22,519 --> 00:16:23,799 I wouldn't want to upset. 291 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 4: Horbad. Who are you our boufay Cleveland News. I got 292 00:16:46,759 --> 00:16:49,840 no news for you, pencil Happy, I just want to talk. 293 00:16:50,159 --> 00:16:51,759 Speaker 7: I got no talk for you either. 294 00:16:52,399 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 4: I've just been visiting a prison man of yours, Horbet, What. 295 00:16:55,759 --> 00:16:58,279 Speaker 7: You're trying to do sell magazines? 296 00:16:58,759 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 4: We talked, so we talked about a murder, the murder 297 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,839 of Frank Dando back in nineteen twenty four. I ain't 298 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,119 interested in ancient history, Horved. You know and I know 299 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,279 that you committed that crime, not Nick Bears. Why don't 300 00:17:12,279 --> 00:17:13,640 you do a decent thing for once in your life? 301 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,920 In clarem When I want to hire a halo, I'll 302 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,119 let you know. Horbet, Look, don't Horbell look me rep 303 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:28,079 for her? Get out. 304 00:17:29,319 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 10: Any luck, mister Beaufet. 305 00:17:32,279 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 4: I see, look, john Maybe Horbad isn't the only cogonist machine. 306 00:17:38,079 --> 00:17:40,680 Maybe we could try and pin down that girl witness. 307 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 5: Maybe that shouldn't be too hard. 308 00:17:43,599 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 4: Oh no, no, After all, we know their name is 309 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,079 Louise Rally or used to be, and that she lives 310 00:17:51,079 --> 00:17:54,240 in Cleveland or used to live here, and that she 311 00:17:54,279 --> 00:17:56,119 was waiting for a trolley car on a street corner 312 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,200 in nineteen twenty four. So all we have to do 313 00:17:59,279 --> 00:18:01,000 is find her in any of a million a quarter 314 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:11,960 of people, if she's still in Cleveland. I'm looking for 315 00:18:12,039 --> 00:18:13,799 a girl called Louise Relick. Can you tell me where 316 00:18:13,799 --> 00:18:14,440 I can find her? 317 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 10: I'm trying to locate a woman named Louise Relick who 318 00:18:21,559 --> 00:18:24,160 probably lived in this neighborhood. Have you any idea where 319 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,079 she might be living now? 320 00:18:29,559 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 4: I heard she might be living in this section of town. 321 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 10: I thought maybe the superintendent might have a list of 322 00:18:40,759 --> 00:18:42,960 tenants back as far as nineteen twenty four. 323 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,079 Speaker 4: The name's Louise Relig here. She used to live in 324 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:53,880 this neighborhood. 325 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 10: She moved two years ago. I see, thank you. 326 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 4: No forwarding address? Huh? Thanks anyhow? 327 00:19:22,519 --> 00:19:39,599 Speaker 12: Never mind, then thank you. 328 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 4: If they don't e turn off that jukebox, make your coffee, John, 329 00:19:43,759 --> 00:19:44,599 make you feel better. 330 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,799 Speaker 10: I'm sorry to be such a baby. 331 00:19:47,319 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 5: It's just that I'm so tired. 332 00:19:50,799 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 10: You have a handkerchief. 333 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 5: I guess I left mine home? 334 00:19:52,839 --> 00:19:58,759 Speaker 4: YEA, sure, thank you. Ah, that's better. 335 00:20:00,559 --> 00:20:03,599 Speaker 10: You didn't find out anything about the relic woman, did you, 336 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:04,880 mister beaufet. 337 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 4: No, don't I keep on plugging. 338 00:20:09,079 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 10: I don't know. I hate to give up, but it 339 00:20:11,279 --> 00:20:14,119 seems like such a hopeless thing to keep on tramp 340 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:18,839 in the street, knocking on doors, asking questions, not getting answers. 341 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:20,279 Speaker 5: I don't see. 342 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 11: How, mister. 343 00:20:29,079 --> 00:20:31,599 Speaker 10: Is this the only way we can clear Nick? 344 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 4: I'm afraid? 345 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 10: So all right, then let's go knock on some more doors. 346 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,599 According to the address that woman gave me, it should 347 00:20:51,599 --> 00:20:52,480 be this house here. 348 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:54,759 Speaker 4: It's late. 349 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,759 Speaker 10: Let's try this house. It's the first definite address we've 350 00:20:58,799 --> 00:20:59,559 been able to find. 351 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:12,319 Speaker 13: All right, well, hello, hello, are you Louise Relick? 352 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,079 Speaker 5: Have been for some time? Honey? 353 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 10: We've been looking all over for you. 354 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:17,319 Speaker 5: Very flattering? 355 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 13: What for? 356 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 4: May we come in? 357 00:21:19,319 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 11: Sure? 358 00:21:22,519 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 4: Miss Relick? Call me weezy honey, Miss Relick, This is 359 00:21:27,079 --> 00:21:28,559 missus Nick Veris. 360 00:21:29,079 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 5: I think you got the wrong apartments. 361 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 4: I don't think we. 362 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,079 Speaker 5: Do the doors behind you. 363 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,599 Speaker 4: Look, sister Nick Verus is in jail for a murder 364 00:21:37,599 --> 00:21:40,720 he didn't commit. I know he didn't commit it. And 365 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:43,240 what's more important, you can prove he didn't. 366 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 5: Never heard of him? 367 00:21:44,599 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 4: Perhaps you've heard of a man named James Horbaden. 368 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,039 Speaker 10: No, please, miss Relick, you're the only chance I've got 369 00:21:50,039 --> 00:21:51,480 to free my husband Luck. 370 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,519 Speaker 5: You two get out of here and get out back. 371 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,319 Speaker 10: Why why can't you see We've got to get the 372 00:21:56,319 --> 00:21:58,559 truth from you, that you're the only one who can 373 00:21:58,559 --> 00:21:58,920 help us. 374 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 4: She's afraid to tell us what you nose doom afraid? 375 00:22:01,759 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 5: Sure, I'm afraid, but. 376 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 4: You do know something. If you wanted to talk, get 377 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,119 out of here. Are you afraid of James horbad I 378 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:08,880 don't know what you mean. Are you afraid of James 379 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,480 horbev because he's the man you saw shoot Frank Dandel 380 00:22:11,519 --> 00:22:12,519 back in nineteen twenty four. 381 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 5: I don't know what you mean. 382 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,759 Speaker 4: Are you afraid he and his gang will get you 383 00:22:14,799 --> 00:22:15,160 if you talk? 384 00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:16,319 Speaker 5: I don't know you're afraid of you? 385 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 4: At generally thick bears Horvad and his boys'll be laying 386 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:19,720 for you. Is that what you're afraid of, Miss Relic? 387 00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:20,000 Is it? 388 00:22:20,079 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 10: Yes? 389 00:22:20,519 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, James Horbadge and jail for another murder he 390 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:25,920 can't hurt. 391 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 5: You, but he's not the only one who's gang get me. 392 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 4: If I talk, no one will ever know you talked except. 393 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 5: The parole Don't see my name in the newspapers, won't. 394 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,519 Speaker 4: Your name won't be printed. 395 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:40,039 Speaker 5: Okay, I'll meet you at the Parole board office in 396 00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:40,599 the morning. 397 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 8: He's spend the long hours of the night drinking black 398 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,480 coffee and wondering if that frightened promise will hold. It does. 399 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,160 The next morning, Louise Relic tells the parole bod that 400 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:00,920 the man she saw running from the scene of the 401 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:07,200 robbery and murder was James Horror Bad. And one day, 402 00:23:07,319 --> 00:23:09,880 a little later, you put your car up to a 403 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,160 stop in front of the State penitent. 404 00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:17,559 Speaker 4: Train Nichola, come out of that door over there, Joanes, 405 00:23:17,599 --> 00:23:20,039 at eleven o'clock. At eleven What time is it now? 406 00:23:21,839 --> 00:23:24,200 Over the tenth time in the last five minutes. It's 407 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,519 now three minutes. 408 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,319 Speaker 10: Of eleven, three minutes, In just three minutes, Nick will 409 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:31,240 walk out of that door. 410 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 5: Do I look all right? 411 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 4: You're wonderful? 412 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 10: Do we have to wait in the car? 413 00:23:36,039 --> 00:23:36,599 Speaker 7: I mean, couldn't? 414 00:23:36,759 --> 00:23:39,799 Speaker 4: Oh, come on, you wear me out? We walk over 415 00:23:39,839 --> 00:23:41,000 that way. 416 00:23:43,079 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 10: Oh, isn't it a perfectly wonderful day. I don't think 417 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,599 the sky has ever been so blue, of the sun 418 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,519 so bright, or anything so wonderful in all the world. 419 00:23:51,839 --> 00:23:55,559 Speaker 4: Why I wonder, why what time is it now? Forty 420 00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:57,680 five seconds to eleven, precisely. 421 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 10: Twenty five seconds? Why that's no time at all? 422 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 5: Oh, my stocky seems straight. 423 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I've got. 424 00:24:03,799 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 10: To clean handkerchief too. Nikki gets so mad at me 425 00:24:06,519 --> 00:24:32,640 when I forget my hanky. This time I put one in, Nikky. 426 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 3: Oh, Nikki, come on, honey, I'll take you home. 427 00:24:47,599 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 8: To Howard Beaufet had the rare privilege among newspaper men 428 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,960 of being able to pick your own assignments. And this 429 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,559 time you really take one. You help two good people 430 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,880 find each other again, and you got your big story. 431 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,400 And you've been around the pencil game long enough to 432 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,400 know which was the thing that really covered. 433 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,759 Speaker 2: In just a moment, we'll read you a telegram from 434 00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:35,119 Howard Buffay with the exciting details of tonight's big story. 435 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,400 Now we read you that telegram from Howard Buffet of 436 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:40,720 the Cleveland News. 437 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,279 Speaker 4: Following his release from Ohio State Penitentiary. Innocent musician in 438 00:25:45,319 --> 00:25:49,079 Tonight's Big story, accepted engagement with well known orchestra, and 439 00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:53,039 with his wife, left Cleveland. No one else ever came 440 00:25:53,079 --> 00:25:56,319 to trial for fourteen year old murder. Many thanks for 441 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,599 Tonight's pell Mell Award. 442 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 2: Thank you, mister Buffay. The maker's of hell mal Famous 443 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,960 Cigarettes are proud to have named you the winner of 444 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,240 the Pall Mall five hundred dollars Award for notable service 445 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,799 in the field of journalism. Listen again next week, same time, 446 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,680 same station, when pell Mell Famous Cigarettes will present another 447 00:26:13,799 --> 00:26:16,680 big story, A big story from the pages of the 448 00:26:16,759 --> 00:26:22,880 Washington Evening Star Byeline jack Allen. A big story about 449 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,160 a newspaper reporter and the prize fighter who didn't like 450 00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:40,960 newspaper reporters. 451 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 11: Wow. 452 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,799 Speaker 2: The Big Story is produced by Bernard J. Proctor and 453 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:54,480 directed by Harry Ingram, with music by Vladimiss Lensky. Tonight's 454 00:26:54,519 --> 00:26:58,319 program was written by Gail Ingram. Your narrator was Bob 455 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,359 Sloan and Craig McDonald lay the part of Howard Buffet. 456 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,960 All names in Tonight's story, except that of mister Vaufet, 457 00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:08,240 were fictitious, but the dramatization was based on a true 458 00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:20,480 and authentic case. This is Ernest Chapel speaking for the 459 00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:25,200 makers of Pallmel Famous cigarettes during the United Church Canvas 460 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,480 November sixteenth, December seventh. Reaffirm your allegiance to the faith 461 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:30,839 that is the foundation. 462 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 5: Of true happiness. 463 00:27:31,799 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 7: Worship. 464 00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:35,559 Speaker 2: Regularly give to your church our synagogue liberally. 465 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 3: This is NBC, the National Broadcasting Company. 466 00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: Welcome back. Our cast this week. In addition to Craig McDonnell, 467 00:27:53,880 --> 00:28:00,400 included John Sylvester, Louise Barklay of the Himalaya him Alia 468 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:05,440 Debate as Joan Francis de sal and Isileen Heckhart, with 469 00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:09,920 everyone but Louise Barkley doubling up in this one. I 470 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,359 love having the script because it gives some really good 471 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,160 insight into how New York radio production worked. I was 472 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,440 a bit surprised by the degree to which the doubling 473 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,640 is happening, and in most cases I've called out a 474 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,039 couple of the last couple of weeks I would not 475 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,200 have noticed if not for the script. I'm also greatly 476 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,240 pleased to learn Craig McDonald's name. I've heard him on 477 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,559 so many programs that never credited the actor. He was 478 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,880 the Laugher and the Adventures of Superman and before I 479 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,880 heard him as that super villain. I heard him as 480 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,880 the apostle Peter in the Greatest Story Ever Told radio series. 481 00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:54,039 I think this series will help me a lot with 482 00:28:54,119 --> 00:28:57,759 my New York radio actor recognition skills. As for the 483 00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:02,720 story itself, it's pretty well told and it stays close 484 00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:05,559 to the facts of the case, according to these stories 485 00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:10,279 behind the Big Story website. In nineteen twenty four, a 486 00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:12,680 bank guard was shot in a robbery, and a man 487 00:29:12,759 --> 00:29:18,119 named John Kazinski was convicted of the crime. Fourteen years later, 488 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,319 Kazinsky had moved to New York, changed his name to 489 00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:26,079 Fred Guss, and gotten a job as a band leader. 490 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:29,440 The state made a big deal of the fact that 491 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,240 he'd moved and changed his name, despite the fact that 492 00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:37,480 people in the entertainment industry moved to New York, Chicago, 493 00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:41,599 and Los Angeles all the time, and changing your name 494 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,799 for showbiz purposes was particularly common, especially if you had 495 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,720 a more ethnic last name. But our reporter learned of 496 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,000 the case, found the woman who saw the crime and 497 00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:57,400 had been intimidated, and got her to tell her story. 498 00:29:57,799 --> 00:30:01,799 The governor gave Kazinsky a parole, and Kazinski was released. 499 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,640 He was never pardoned for whatever reason and ended up 500 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:10,599 moving to the West Coast. Obviously, the story leans into 501 00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:15,920 an emotional, you might even say melodramatic feel, and there 502 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,880 are probably some flourishes along those lines. But in many ways, 503 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,720 that's how newspapers could be back then. The emotional and 504 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,720 human elements helped them to connect with readers, and it 505 00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:31,160 works for me. I was really moved at the end, 506 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,559 though I knew that there are some people who would 507 00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:37,400 find this bear. It's easy, all right, well, listener comments 508 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,799 and feedback now and we go to Spotify where mechanics 509 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,720 sixty six comments regarding the case of the counterfeit coins. 510 00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:51,000 That was definitely Jackson back as the boss agreed. I 511 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,200 didn't even need the cast list for that one. Thanks 512 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,640 so much. Now it's time to thank our Patreon supporter 513 00:30:57,799 --> 00:31:01,880 of the day, and I want to thank Eliza, Patreon 514 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:07,319 supporter since July twenty twenty four, currently supporting the podcast 515 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,440 at the shawmus level of four dollars or more per month. 516 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,400 Thanks so much for your support and that will do 517 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,720 it for today. If you're enjoying the podcast, please follow 518 00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:21,319 us using your favorite podcast software and be sure to 519 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,519 rate and review the podcast wherever you download it from 520 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,960 We'll be back next Tuesday with another episode of the 521 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:33,400 Big Story. But join us back here tomorrow for broadways 522 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:34,279 my beatware? 523 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 14: Is this why you came, mister Blover, to run your 524 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,240 hands over my brother's library? Broben to me? 525 00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:43,759 Speaker 9: Or is it? No? 526 00:31:43,759 --> 00:31:44,039 Speaker 4: No? 527 00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:47,759 Speaker 14: Don't say to me, oh has somehow run a foul 528 00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:50,079 of the law. Don't say it because I wouldn't believe it. 529 00:31:50,119 --> 00:31:52,119 Speaker 9: So he's dead, he's murdered. 530 00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 14: Your manner of saying it, you leave me nothing but 531 00:31:59,279 --> 00:31:59,880 to believe you. 532 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,599 Speaker 9: He was stabbed, left lying on the street in Times Square. 533 00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:06,319 Speaker 14: He must have shuddered that it found him in a 534 00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:10,640 place like that. I'd swear he shuddered. 535 00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 9: Your brother dies, and that's how it hits you. 536 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 14: To each his own way, mister Clover, you're implying that 537 00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:20,359 it was I who killed him. 538 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 9: Let's play it that way for a while. 539 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,519 Speaker 14: I've dreamed the wish sometimes, but I couldn't have killed her. 540 00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:31,559 I slept the morning through Earl's butler will testify to 541 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,759 that he was serving me brunch when you came in 542 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,759 expensive brunch with wine. 543 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,079 Speaker 9: Who else would want your brother dead besides me? 544 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 14: That would be your thesis, wouldn't mister Clover, I suggest 545 00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:46,599 the Sculler's approach. 546 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,599 Speaker 9: Now, thanks, I'll try. 547 00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: You'll be with us then. In the meantime, send your 548 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:57,720 comments to Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot net, follow 549 00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:01,279 us on Twitter at radiot attactive, and check us out 550 00:33:01,359 --> 00:33:07,559 on Instagram, Instagram, dot com slash Great Detectives from Boise, Idaho. 551 00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:10,640 This is your host, Adam Graham signing off.