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<v Speaker 1>In the world of metaphysics, spirituality, and the paranormal, there's

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<v Speaker 1>lots and lots of conspiracy theories. Right now, we've done

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty good job of staying away from most of those,

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<v Speaker 1>so we don't fall into that controversial water problems that

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<v Speaker 1>people have. But we can no longer as of today,

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<v Speaker 1>delay our conversation about things that make you go hmmm,

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<v Speaker 1>you know why why? Because to help us breach this topic,

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<v Speaker 1>we finally have someone who's an expert who can talk

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<v Speaker 1>about stuff. We have the man who has all the

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<v Speaker 1>answers to all the questions, every question, and if he doesn't,

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<v Speaker 1>he makes them up.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds like you, he does.

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<v Speaker 1>We get along so great. He does this with the

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<v Speaker 1>help of a couple of his friends. On top of things,

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<v Speaker 1>we are also bringing another friend of ours who specializes

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<v Speaker 1>in a little bit of chaos.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>This one's gonna be fun.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like it might be chaos here.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Will and I'm Karen, And unlike Boulder

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<v Speaker 1>and Scully, both want to believe. So we've embarked in

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<v Speaker 1>a journey of discovery. Welcome to Skeptic Politicians Classic. You

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<v Speaker 1>are listening to the classic skeptic metaphysicians. Welcome to our

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<v Speaker 1>version of a walkdown Memory Lane as we present classics

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<v Speaker 1>from the Skeptic Metahisician Library warts and all. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>story that really reminds me of some of the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that I've gone through over the past who knows how

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<v Speaker 1>many years, and that that i'd share it with you.

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<v Speaker 1>During a research experiment, a marine biologist placed a shark

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<v Speaker 1>into a large holding tank and then released several small

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<v Speaker 1>bait fish into the tank. As you'd expect, the shark

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<v Speaker 1>quickly swam around the tank, attacked, and ate the smaller

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<v Speaker 1>fish right well. The marine biologists then inserted a strong

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<v Speaker 1>piece of clear fiberglass into the tank, creating two separate partitions.

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<v Speaker 1>She then put the shark on one side of the

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<v Speaker 1>fiberglass and a new set of baitfish on the other. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>the shark quickly attacked. This time, however, the shark slammed

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<v Speaker 1>into the fiberglass divider and bounced off undeterred. The shark

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<v Speaker 1>kept repeating this behavior every few minutes to no avail.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever he did, he just couldn't get to the fish. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>the baitfish swam around unharmed. In the second partition, and eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>about an hour into the experiment, the shark gave up. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this experiment was repeated several dozen times over the next

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<v Speaker 1>few weeks. In each time, the shark got less and

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<v Speaker 1>less aggressive and made fewer and fewer attempts to attack

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<v Speaker 1>the baitfish, until eventually the shark got tired of hidding

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<v Speaker 1>the fiberglass divider and simply stopped attacking altogether. Well, then

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<v Speaker 1>the marine biologists remove the fiberglass divider, but the shark

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<v Speaker 1>didn't attack. See, the shark was trained to believe that

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<v Speaker 1>a barrier existed between it and the baitfish, so the

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<v Speaker 1>baitfish swam wherever they wished, free from harm because the

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<v Speaker 1>shark was programmed to feel that he couldn't get to them.

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<v Speaker 1>Many of us, after experiencing setbacks and failures, emotionally give

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<v Speaker 1>up and stop trying. Like the shark in the story,

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<v Speaker 1>we believe that because we were unsuccessful in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>will always be unsuccessful. In other words, we continue to

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<v Speaker 1>see a barrier in our heads even when no real

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<v Speaker 1>barrier exists between where we are and where we want

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<v Speaker 1>to go. So keep in mind that every day is

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<v Speaker 1>a brand new day and the only barrier that really

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<v Speaker 1>exists is in your mind. Welcome to the Skeptic by Physicians.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Will and Care And before we introduce our guests,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to introduce a special guest host that's kindly

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<v Speaker 1>agreed to join us this time around. She's a voiceover

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<v Speaker 1>actor and former radio gal who happens to also host

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<v Speaker 1>the Keeping Up with Chaos podcasts. Welcome Joslyn Rocky to

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<v Speaker 1>the show.

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<v Speaker 3>This is gonna be so fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if you know what you got yourself into,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, we're gonna say it's fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I just have to point out that they said gal.

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<v Speaker 4>People don't say gal anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>So just to make make it clear, this was directly

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<v Speaker 1>from her bio. She sent me the bio. She calls

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<v Speaker 1>herself a gal.

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<v Speaker 4>So okay, well that's different. Yes, if you are a

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<v Speaker 4>self titled gal, that's one thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, lady chick gal, you know, I answer it all.

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<v Speaker 1>Jos And tell us about your podcast real fast before

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<v Speaker 1>we introduce KJI, because I know that a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people out there just the name alone Keeping Up Chaos

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<v Speaker 1>it brings up a lot of questions.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's a fun podcast. You know, for entertainment, and

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<v Speaker 5>it's all about just conversation, bringing on all different types

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<v Speaker 5>of people, you know, just to have a conversation and

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<v Speaker 5>just sort of normalize chaos. So and it's amongst friends.

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<v Speaker 5>We bring our new friends, and we had you guys on.

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<v Speaker 5>So it was like, you know, it's just a fun podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I love how you say you normalize chaos. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's if there's ever a thing that we need to

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<v Speaker 1>do more, it's normalized chaos. So thanks for the work

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<v Speaker 1>that you're putting in. Thanks for your service.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>All right now, our official guest is also a writer

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<v Speaker 1>and a producer, but he's in Hollywood. His film and

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<v Speaker 1>television projects have played on Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, Peacock, Roku,

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<v Speaker 1>you name it, it's been on it now. He's written

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<v Speaker 1>eight feature films that have been produced, including The Commando,

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<v Speaker 1>a feature film starring Michael J. White and Mickey Rourke.

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<v Speaker 1>And most importantly, he produces and hosts the Unofficial Official

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<v Speaker 1>Story podcast with his co hosts Jennifer Field and Dwayne Perkins.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome Koji Stephen Sikai to the show. Hello, how are

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<v Speaker 1>you guys doing great? I can't wait to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>you about all things unofficially official.

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<v Speaker 6>I look forward to talking to you all things unofficial

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<v Speaker 6>official as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool. Now, your show is really fun, really interesting, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of conspiracy theories, a lot of all kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>different and not just conspiracy theories. That's not really fair

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<v Speaker 1>to say, but to give you an example of the

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<v Speaker 1>topics that you cover. The show that I was on,

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<v Speaker 1>we discussed the possibility of Britney Spears being a secret

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<v Speaker 1>agent for George H. W. Bush. If that gives you

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<v Speaker 1>an idea about the topics on the show, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>you've covered things like are the Grays the best aliens

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<v Speaker 1>because they're Asian? Right? So you I mean, you talk

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<v Speaker 1>about all kinds of fun stuff, and really the whole

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<v Speaker 1>plot I guess of the show is that you come

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<v Speaker 1>up with different theories and then amongst all of you,

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<v Speaker 1>you decide what the real theory is, whether it's real

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<v Speaker 1>or not. That's you.

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<v Speaker 6>You know. I love paranormal I love true crime, I

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<v Speaker 6>love conspiracies, I love all other things. And I've listened

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<v Speaker 6>to every single podcast that is related to I watch

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<v Speaker 6>all the TV and the movies, and you know the

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<v Speaker 6>problem with all the shows is that they always do

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<v Speaker 6>the same thing over and over and over, and they

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<v Speaker 6>say the same facts over and over and over. And

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<v Speaker 6>as you mentioned in my bio, I'm a writer and producer,

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<v Speaker 6>and I thought I can come up with these theories

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<v Speaker 6>about what really happened to these things, you know, and

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<v Speaker 6>it could be more fun because I'm just kind of

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<v Speaker 6>making it up. So that's what we decided. We decided

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<v Speaker 6>to get a group of people together who were into

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<v Speaker 6>these kinds of things and just talk about these conspiracies

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<v Speaker 6>and paranormal and true crime stuff and then just make

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<v Speaker 6>up our own stories about what really happened, and then

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<v Speaker 6>vote and decide which one is the actual true story

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<v Speaker 6>about what really happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that.

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<v Speaker 4>I was just going to ask you how you came

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<v Speaker 4>up with your stories, but you're making them up.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, you know, we try to, like you know, we

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<v Speaker 6>try to look around the facts of whatever the situation is,

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<v Speaker 6>so we don't just totally make it up. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>we try to figure out what the facts are. Then

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<v Speaker 6>we based on nothing else, we just create stories around it.

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<v Speaker 1>So even your guests, you have them come up with

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<v Speaker 1>a theory behind it, and then you all know, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was on your show. It's easy for me

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<v Speaker 1>to say I had the best theory just because you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, I'm sorry for my lack loud.

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<v Speaker 1>A little loud, Karen, a little loud. Yeah, So what

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<v Speaker 1>got you into metaphysics, into paranormal that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, you know, I've always been really interested in all

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<v Speaker 6>these things, but I think I've always come at it

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<v Speaker 6>from a slightly different point of view than most people.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I went to my first UFO convention when

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<v Speaker 6>I was like seven or eight years old. I was

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<v Speaker 6>always really into kind of those kinds of events and

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<v Speaker 6>those kinds of places, but I always looked at it

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<v Speaker 6>from a social kind of political framing as opposed to

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<v Speaker 6>kind of just this paranormal and just looking at it

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<v Speaker 6>from kind of an interesting side note kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 6>So like for me, for example, when I look at

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<v Speaker 6>like the nineteen fifties and I study what happened, then

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<v Speaker 6>they talk about you know, space brothers, space sisters, and

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<v Speaker 6>they take you to the space and you look out

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<v Speaker 6>and you see, like, you know, they show you the

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<v Speaker 6>world and say you're messing it up. And then in

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<v Speaker 6>the sixties it became these gray aliens, right, and they're

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<v Speaker 6>doing like antal probes and sexual experiments, and it's really tragic.

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<v Speaker 6>And this is you know, in the fifties it coincided

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<v Speaker 6>And then now you look at kind of these abductions

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<v Speaker 6>and you see that they're about people who are being

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<v Speaker 6>abducted in as our neighbors. Right These hybrid aliens are

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<v Speaker 6>abducting people and they're taking them to the Dodger Stadium

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<v Speaker 6>and asking them if this is what it's like to

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<v Speaker 6>watch a baseball game, you know, And so what that

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<v Speaker 6>tells us now, really, to me, what's interesting is that

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<v Speaker 6>tells us now that we're so afraid of our neighbors

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<v Speaker 6>that they could actually be half alien hybrids, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>And to me, that's what's really interesting about the paranormals.

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<v Speaker 6>It speaks to a lot about who we are as

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<v Speaker 6>people and humanity and our society. And that's what I

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<v Speaker 6>really like. I'm kind of agnostic. I don't discount everything,

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<v Speaker 6>nor do I believe in everything, and I enjoy kind

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<v Speaker 6>of being in the middle there now do.

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<v Speaker 3>You think your neighbors are part Aliens?

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<v Speaker 5>Like, I mean, because I've walked down the street and

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<v Speaker 5>I have questioned of my neighbors before.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, everyone has that shifty neighbor.

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<v Speaker 6>Sometimes I think I'm the alien.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, And we've talked about that on the show,

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<v Speaker 1>right the Star Seeds of they say that they've come

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<v Speaker 1>from different planets and things like that. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the stuff that's going on in the

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<v Speaker 1>world nowadays, they say that with reptilian race is actually

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<v Speaker 1>taking over our government, which is why we're in such

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<v Speaker 1>a big mess because they're trying to fuck everything up

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and Mark Zuckerberg is allegedly a reptilian.

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<v Speaker 5>So and I also listen on your last podcast, I

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<v Speaker 5>think you talked about Elon Musk being a reptilian.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're smart, the reptilians, maybe.

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<v Speaker 6>But if it's gotten out, then there haven't been that smart.

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<v Speaker 6>Even within the race, you know, or within aliens. There's

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<v Speaker 6>So it's really interesting to kind of see like a

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<v Speaker 1>I do find it interesting that the Nordic ones, right,

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<v Speaker 6>And yeah, yeah, and being traumatic. Yeah, it's always the

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<v Speaker 6>it's never good. No one sees a gray alien and

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<v Speaker 5>is it the Shadow Ranch, that's out West, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Skinwalker skins.

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<v Speaker 5>Skinwalker Ranch, is that that's connected to the aliens?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, sir. I'm actually of the school believe that everything's

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<v Speaker 6>a tulpa. Have you guys ever heard of toulpas before?

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<v Speaker 6>So Tulpa's are where it's a Buddhist term where basically

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<v Speaker 6>jew Jewish tradition has something like this, right, the golwams.

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<v Speaker 6>nineteen ninety nine was the first time that it appeared

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<v Speaker 6>much thought, so much work, it becomes real. So that's

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<v Speaker 6>the shadow people, ghosts, you know a lot of things

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<v Speaker 6>are like that. We're putting so much energy in thought,

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<v Speaker 6>because I do believe we're powerful as human beings and

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<v Speaker 6>these things. I believe that that tulpa is usually the

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<v Speaker 5>It was curious because my brother's totally in the Skinwalker

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<v Speaker 5>like a portal possibly to you know, connect with and

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<v Speaker 3>But I totally see that.

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<v Speaker 5>And with YouTube these days, I mean, I mean the

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<v Speaker 5>all that stuff for my kids, and it's like they

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<v Speaker 5>and they believe in it, and then it could become

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<v Speaker 6>About that, I mean, well, people see Bigfoot who are

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<v Speaker 4>Right, So we just interviewed someone who's an expert on Bigfoot.

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<v Speaker 4>This take is very interesting, explains all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>It does explain it all away. So if you're not

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<v Speaker 1>listening to our big Foot episode, you totally should because

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<v Speaker 1>it gives you all the answers. It leaves nothing to

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<v Speaker 5>I find it so odd that we have a big

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<v Speaker 5>foot sighting. Well it's called skunk foot, I think, or

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<v Speaker 3>Big butt like creature. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why they call it a skunk foot, because you're

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<v Speaker 2>My showered and sell them a while away killed you.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of stories are the ones that energize you

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<v Speaker 1>the most? Like, what are the ones that you decide

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<v Speaker 6>That's a good question to me. It's the stuff that

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<v Speaker 6>people haven't heard, you know, as I was saying, in

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of these paranormal shows and podcasts, they always

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<v Speaker 6>talk about the same stuff like roswell or you know,

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<v Speaker 6>those kinds of shows. So I wanted to cover topics

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<v Speaker 6>that aren't as familiar. But one of the things I

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<v Speaker 6>you're really a paranormal person, you're not listening to ours

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<v Speaker 6>because we kind of make fun of it, even though

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of the things that everyone who actually listens

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<v Speaker 6>to paranormal would, So, like, Skinwalker Ranch is definitely something

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<v Speaker 6>we want to cover because you know, if you listen

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<v Speaker 6>to paranormal, you know about it, but if you don't,

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<v Speaker 6>you're like, what the hell is Skinwalker Ranch? Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>Skinwalker Ranch, dog Band, right, all that kind of stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>those new new cryptids that are coming out.

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<v Speaker 5>So you believe in paranormal though, like you are a believer,

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<v Speaker 5>because I was just you know, I was trying to

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<v Speaker 5>like not seem like but like that you believe in

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<v Speaker 5>it and you're proving it right, or you're you don't

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<v Speaker 5>believe in it and you're proving that it's not real.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, because I don't know about you, but sometimes

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<v Speaker 5>I have like this glow earth ball in my kid's

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<v Speaker 5>bathroom and it's fine, and then like you know, someone

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<v Speaker 5>all glitchy, and I'm like, oh my god, there's a

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<v Speaker 5>you know, messing with the glowball. But i mean, do

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<v Speaker 5>you really do believe? Because I can talk myself right

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I think I'm agnostic, so I don't believe, like

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<v Speaker 6>could exist. I don't know if they visit or not,

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<v Speaker 6>I definitely believe in ghosts more than I do in

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<v Speaker 6>about Bigfoot but sometimes it's harder for me to believe

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<v Speaker 6>some of these cryptids, you know, some of these other

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<v Speaker 6>find out more. So I would say though that, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>if I had to lean one way, I probably believe

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<v Speaker 6>more than I don't believe, because why would I listen

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<v Speaker 6>to podcasts? Why would I horror stories if I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>So, of all of your interviews and your stories in

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<v Speaker 4>these conspiracy theories, is there one in particular that's a

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<v Speaker 4>favorite or that's been most interesting or fun for you

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<v Speaker 1>Britney Spears agents. Yeah, oh oh, sorry, well show its

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<v Speaker 6>But go ahead. Yeah that was definitely going to be

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<v Speaker 6>my answer, but now I have to quickly think of

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<v Speaker 6>a new answer. No, you know, all of them, I mean, honestly,

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<v Speaker 6>all of them have been really interesting to me. Though.

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<v Speaker 6>The one that really hit home the most was actually

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<v Speaker 6>a nine to eleven episode which we didn't have a

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<v Speaker 6>reason that was the most interesting was that Dwayne, my

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<v Speaker 6>pretty much everyone around me wasn't either. So it was

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<v Speaker 6>You know, you believe all this stuff, and it was

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<v Speaker 6>you know somebody for I've known Doined for maybe ten

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<v Speaker 6>fifteen years, and then to find out on air that,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, he believes in a lot of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah he's not. I mean, I'm not saying he's crazy.

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<v Speaker 6>You don't worry, but you know, like just to find

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<v Speaker 6>out that he's entertaining these things because he didn't, like,

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<v Speaker 1>For some the people who don't know, can you give

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<v Speaker 1>us some idea what these conspiracies nine eleven conspiracies that

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<v Speaker 6>Entail Yeah, So there's a first of all, there's a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of conspiracies about nine to eleven, and they say

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<v Speaker 6>the government. So there's a lot of conspiracies. There's a

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<v Speaker 6>There's other conspiracies in the United States government knew about the

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<v Speaker 6>And probably the most persistent one is that Building seven,

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<v Speaker 6>The seventh building fell and a lot of things. A

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<v Speaker 1>Iraq and get control of all the oil fields and all.

422
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<v Speaker 1>And really the other conspiracy that I heard about it

423
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<v Speaker 1>is that Genie's company they wanted to go in there

424
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<v Speaker 1>and make all this money on the reconstruction of Iraq

425
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<v Speaker 1>after the invasions.

426
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<v Speaker 6>So now, yea, I will say, and also the patriot

427
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<v Speaker 6>react as well, right.

428
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<v Speaker 1>Right, right, I will say. I was in a control

429
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<v Speaker 1>room in a newsroom when nine to eleven happened, and

430
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<v Speaker 1>as I watched, the plane hit the second tower. So

431
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<v Speaker 1>I know for a fact, Duane, that there was a

432
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<v Speaker 1>plane because I saw it. I watched myself in my

433
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<v Speaker 1>own eyes.

434
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<v Speaker 6>Actually you don't know this, but it was. It was

435
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<v Speaker 6>on the Sony lot and it was all part of

436
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<v Speaker 6>a Plinton Tarantino actually shot the movie that we watched

437
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<v Speaker 6>on TV.

438
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<v Speaker 1>I thought it seemed a little wonky, a little soft.

439
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<v Speaker 2>On the string on the right.

440
00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:37.839
<v Speaker 1>It seemed like they did the original Star Trek in right,

441
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<v Speaker 1>But you don't have.

442
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<v Speaker 5>To recovering up the alien invasion that was coming, or

443
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<v Speaker 5>the zombies.

444
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<v Speaker 3>I know you like zombies.

445
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<v Speaker 6>I do love zombies. You know. One of the things

446
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<v Speaker 6>about conspiracies that I find really interesting is that, you know,

447
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<v Speaker 6>I'm much less believing in conspiracies than I believe in

448
00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:55.000
<v Speaker 6>kind of the paranormal stuff. But the reason, you know,

449
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<v Speaker 6>to me, the conspiracies are really interesting is that we

450
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<v Speaker 6>humans want to have an explanation for all bad things happening.

451
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<v Speaker 6>We want a person to blame, we want a reason

452
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<v Speaker 6>for things, whereas usually it's just a lot of really

453
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<v Speaker 6>bad things happened all at one time, you know, and

454
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<v Speaker 6>kind of in a serious of bad events and it

455
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<v Speaker 6>becomes really bad. And I think that that's most likely

456
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<v Speaker 6>because we all know that if you tell one person

457
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<v Speaker 6>something that it's no longer a secret. So to think of,

458
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<v Speaker 6>like how big a conspiracy would have to be in

459
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<v Speaker 6>order for us to for the United States government to

460
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<v Speaker 6>bring down buildings of that size and do it without

461
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<v Speaker 6>it ever getting out, truly getting out, would be crazy,

462
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<v Speaker 6>especially nowadays, right, and.

463
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<v Speaker 1>Yet they've been doing it with the evidence of the

464
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<v Speaker 1>UFO's existence for years and decades, right, So you just

465
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<v Speaker 1>never know, that's right. I've heard that that was also

466
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<v Speaker 1>in the same Sony lot. Actually that was no Having

467
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<v Speaker 1>been in that same newsroom, I did see some things

468
00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:57.160
<v Speaker 1>that maybe go hmm, right. And I'm not an expert

469
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<v Speaker 1>in forensics or exclusives or anything like that, but the

470
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<v Speaker 1>towers did collapse really strangely. As I'm watching, the entire

471
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<v Speaker 1>newsroom is in complete silence watching the tower collapse in itself.

472
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<v Speaker 1>The way it did. It was very strange. It was

473
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<v Speaker 1>almost as if there were explosives set inside the building.

474
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<v Speaker 1>I can't confirm nor deny that, but it was strange,

475
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<v Speaker 1>which is why I can see why some people might think, well,

476
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<v Speaker 1>maybe there's some foul play here, especially because Cheney's company

477
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<v Speaker 1>stood to make a lot a lot of money going

478
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<v Speaker 1>into reconstruct Rock One.

479
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<v Speaker 6>Well, I mean, disaster capitalism is real, right, the whole

480
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<v Speaker 6>idea that people make a ton of money on disasters,

481
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<v Speaker 6>Like the companies have made a ton of money after Katrina,

482
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<v Speaker 6>they made a ton of money after Not Eleven, all

483
00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:44.960
<v Speaker 6>those kinds of things. I mean, there's definitely money to

484
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<v Speaker 6>be made, for sure.

485
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<v Speaker 1>So then would you say that that's your favorite conspiracy theory?

486
00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.240
<v Speaker 1>I know it's your favorite episode, but is there a

487
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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theory that you find even more intriguing than that one.

488
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<v Speaker 6>Have you ever heard Have you guys ever heard of

489
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<v Speaker 6>Betty and Barney hell case?

490
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<v Speaker 1>It sounds awfully familiar, definitely from.

491
00:23:02.599 --> 00:23:06.400
<v Speaker 6>The early nineteen sixties. They were an interracial couple coming

492
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<v Speaker 6>back from a unscheduled vacation to Niagara Falls. As they

493
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<v Speaker 6>were driving, playing or UFO was allegedly following them and

494
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<v Speaker 6>then they scot out. He tried to shoot it, of course,

495
00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:19.759
<v Speaker 6>because that's what you do, and then they eventually got taken,

496
00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:23.720
<v Speaker 6>and then they both got taken. They're both producted. It's

497
00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:28.079
<v Speaker 6>really the first abduction case that people talk about. When

498
00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:31.960
<v Speaker 6>you think of modern abductions, you generally thinking of what

499
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<v Speaker 6>you heard from the Betty and Barney Hill case, but

500
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<v Speaker 6>people don't know it. I find it really really fascinating.

501
00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:40.720
<v Speaker 6>That was actually the genesis of the unofficial official story

502
00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:43.119
<v Speaker 6>because my first thought when I first heard it was

503
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<v Speaker 6>they were trying to cover up their interracial relationship by

504
00:23:46.839 --> 00:23:49.759
<v Speaker 6>talking about UFOs and that people would stop talking about

505
00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:51.960
<v Speaker 6>them about being inter racial and start talking about them

506
00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:54.519
<v Speaker 6>being UFOs. The crazy thing is, when I was doing

507
00:23:54.599 --> 00:23:57.440
<v Speaker 6>research for the show, that was one of the theories

508
00:23:57.480 --> 00:24:01.839
<v Speaker 6>that people have online are that it was a cover

509
00:24:01.960 --> 00:24:03.640
<v Speaker 6>up for because they were inter racial couple in the

510
00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:05.920
<v Speaker 6>ninety sixties went obviously it was sometimes illegal to be

511
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<v Speaker 6>in a racial Yeah.

512
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<v Speaker 1>But I have I have heard of them before and

513
00:24:10.359 --> 00:24:12.640
<v Speaker 1>probably on another show, and I did hear that same

514
00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:15.319
<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theory that they were trying to cover up their

515
00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:18.240
<v Speaker 1>forbidden love, because if you listen.

516
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<v Speaker 6>You can actually hear their hypnosis and it's really really

517
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<v Speaker 6>fascinating me if you've never heard their hypnosis sessions where

518
00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:26.640
<v Speaker 6>they're recounting it, it's really fascinating.

519
00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:29.000
<v Speaker 1>But the interesting thing is they did it separately, right,

520
00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:32.039
<v Speaker 1>They were hypnotized separately, and they had the same stories.

521
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<v Speaker 1>So it just makes that much more interesting because they

522
00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:39.200
<v Speaker 1>had to have really talked to each other and two, Okay,

523
00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:40.319
<v Speaker 1>this is what we're going to say.

524
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean, there was a lot of weird things

525
00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:44.720
<v Speaker 6>like the clock. Their watches stopped at the same time,

526
00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:47.039
<v Speaker 6>they had the same amount of missing time and all

527
00:24:47.079 --> 00:24:48.680
<v Speaker 6>these things. So it was a very I mean to

528
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<v Speaker 6>me like that. That's like one of the most interesting

529
00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:53.359
<v Speaker 6>cases to me in terms of the UFO because people

530
00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:56.359
<v Speaker 6>usually think of Roswell, but Roswell was just a plane crash, right,

531
00:24:56.599 --> 00:24:59.720
<v Speaker 6>or a balloon crash, whatever, if they want the official STU.

532
00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:02.000
<v Speaker 1>I saw those little being little little bodies.

533
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<v Speaker 6>Oh, actually, that's interesting. Do you know that people think

534
00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:07.079
<v Speaker 6>that it's actually okay? So there's two conspiracies I love

535
00:25:07.079 --> 00:25:10.880
<v Speaker 6>about Roswell. One is that they were there were secretly

536
00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:13.519
<v Speaker 6>special needs people from Russia, the Soviet Union. Have you

537
00:25:13.519 --> 00:25:14.759
<v Speaker 6>ever heard of that?

538
00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:15.559
<v Speaker 1>I've never heard that one.

539
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<v Speaker 6>Okay, So this is this is where the theory comes from.

540
00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:22.119
<v Speaker 6>People So allegedly Joseph Stalin heard what happened in America

541
00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:24.839
<v Speaker 6>after the War of the World's broadcast and he's thought,

542
00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:27.359
<v Speaker 6>oh my god, we should like cause chaos. What if

543
00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:29.559
<v Speaker 6>we sent aliens to them? And so you put them

544
00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:31.440
<v Speaker 6>on a balloon. He put special needs people on a balloon,

545
00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:34.240
<v Speaker 6>put them in a crashed them d of New Mexico desert,

546
00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:37.039
<v Speaker 6>thinking that's going to cause like riots everywhere. So that's

547
00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:38.960
<v Speaker 6>one thing. And the other theory is that they were

548
00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:42.480
<v Speaker 6>little Japanese soldiers who got lost in the jet stream

549
00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:45.640
<v Speaker 6>and then they crashed. The Japanese one actually has some

550
00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:48.279
<v Speaker 6>merit in that. Then in the World War Two they

551
00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:51.079
<v Speaker 6>did send these balloons, these large balloons called Fuu balloons

552
00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:53.759
<v Speaker 6>where and they were dropping bombs from really high. They

553
00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:57.119
<v Speaker 6>dropped a bomb in like Orion, So there were balloons,

554
00:25:57.160 --> 00:25:59.359
<v Speaker 6>but this was you know, that was like nineteen forty three,

555
00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:02.559
<v Speaker 6>forty four, not nineteen forty five in New Mexico. So

556
00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:06.319
<v Speaker 6>there's a difference. But yeah, I always find say, there's

557
00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:08.720
<v Speaker 6>so many conspiracies. We could talk about conspiracies all day

558
00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:09.839
<v Speaker 6>for every single case.

559
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<v Speaker 1>Do you mean to tell me there was actually a

560
00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:15.240
<v Speaker 1>Japanese balloon that came over Oregon and drop bombs.

561
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, there's a documentary. There's documentaries and it's it's proof.

562
00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:21.440
<v Speaker 6>It's called Fugu Fu Gu and there are there are

563
00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:24.720
<v Speaker 6>these balloons and I think, don't quote me on this.

564
00:26:24.759 --> 00:26:26.960
<v Speaker 6>I believe someone was killed by one of the balloons.

565
00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:28.960
<v Speaker 6>But it was you know, it was such a terrible

566
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:31.680
<v Speaker 6>weapon because it you know, you you're you had no

567
00:26:31.720 --> 00:26:33.799
<v Speaker 6>control over where the balloon goes and you kind of

568
00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:35.960
<v Speaker 6>stuck really high. It's like it wasn't a good it

569
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:37.200
<v Speaker 6>was kind of a desperation move.

570
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<v Speaker 4>Now, is there one conspiracy theory that's like the most

571
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<v Speaker 4>ridiculous one in your opinion?

572
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<v Speaker 1>Actually, you know what, Before you answer that, let's take

573
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<v Speaker 1>a break and we'll be right back and now back

574
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<v Speaker 1>to the skeptic metaphysicians.

575
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:01.799
<v Speaker 2>Now, is there.

576
00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:05.119
<v Speaker 4>One conspiracy theory that's like the most ridiculous one in

577
00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:07.759
<v Speaker 4>your opinion? I mean, for me, I'm thinking the flat earthers.

578
00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:11.480
<v Speaker 4>But that's just me because and I'm like, you're not

579
00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:14.440
<v Speaker 4>sailing off that you're not falling off the end when

580
00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:15.039
<v Speaker 4>you're on a boat.

581
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:16.839
<v Speaker 1>Just get on the foo goo balloons and you can

582
00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:18.559
<v Speaker 1>see that.

583
00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:23.640
<v Speaker 6>There's I mean, there's so many, you know, I think

584
00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:26.160
<v Speaker 6>what's interesting to me. One of the most interesting conspiracies

585
00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:31.839
<v Speaker 6>are out every every major politician, major actor, musicians. They're

586
00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:35.279
<v Speaker 6>all related. They're all aliens, right, they're all reptilians, or

587
00:27:35.319 --> 00:27:38.640
<v Speaker 6>they're all robots. If you look hard enough, you can

588
00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:41.759
<v Speaker 6>find any any celebrity and put robot next to their name,

589
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:43.480
<v Speaker 6>and then you'll find somebody talking about how they're robot

590
00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:48.400
<v Speaker 6>or find out how they're they're reptilian alien. So I think,

591
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:50.440
<v Speaker 6>you know, I think all those are all those are

592
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:54.440
<v Speaker 6>super super fascinating to me. But the flat Earth. The

593
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:56.200
<v Speaker 6>interesting thing about the flat Earth is we think of

594
00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:58.000
<v Speaker 6>flat earth is a modern thing. It actually started the

595
00:27:58.039 --> 00:28:00.480
<v Speaker 6>eighteen hundreds, and it's kind of gone down.

596
00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:02.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean I kind of understand it better then than

597
00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:03.039
<v Speaker 1>I do now.

598
00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:05.200
<v Speaker 6>No, they already knew then that was a globe too.

599
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:08.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's ridiculous back then it is now, but you

600
00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:10.599
<v Speaker 1>don't have like satellites and stuff that kind of prove

601
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:13.200
<v Speaker 1>that you're you know, so I can understand a little

602
00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:15.559
<v Speaker 1>better nowadays. If you still believe the Earth is flat,

603
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:20.440
<v Speaker 1>then wow, uh yeah, I'm not anyone who's listening who

604
00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:23.319
<v Speaker 1>believes that the Earth is flat. I fully support your

605
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:25.720
<v Speaker 1>belief system, and you're welcome to believe anything you want.

606
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:28.519
<v Speaker 1>I just don't see how I love to. In fact,

607
00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:30.480
<v Speaker 1>if you're out there and you believe the Earth is

608
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<v Speaker 1>flat and you want to come on the show and

609
00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:33.839
<v Speaker 1>talk about it, I would love to have you, because

610
00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.640
<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine what evidence you have or what the

611
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:39.440
<v Speaker 1>thought process you have that will make you think that.

612
00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:41.559
<v Speaker 1>So please reach out to us if you're interested in that.

613
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:43.079
<v Speaker 6>Well, and that's interesting.

614
00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:45.279
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I was gonna say you're a skeptic of the

615
00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:49.720
<v Speaker 5>flat earthers then apparently like yeah, yes, for sure.

616
00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:50.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah for sure.

617
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<v Speaker 6>Well what's interesting about the flat earthers are all all

618
00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:54.759
<v Speaker 6>the conspiracies of that is very much like a cult

619
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<v Speaker 6>in that you know, you'll you'll get the more you

620
00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:01.119
<v Speaker 6>talk about something, the more you get separated from your

621
00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:03.319
<v Speaker 6>family and friends, right, and then all of a sudden

622
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:06.160
<v Speaker 6>you only talk to the people within your group, which

623
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:08.519
<v Speaker 6>is aka cult. So it's the same thing for QAnon

624
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:10.799
<v Speaker 6>flat Earth. There's like if you go on Facebook and

625
00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:12.599
<v Speaker 6>say I'm a flat Earth or you'll lose like a

626
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:15.079
<v Speaker 6>lot of friends and then eventually you keep posting it.

627
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:16.960
<v Speaker 6>No you will, And I mean there's like a there's

628
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:20.599
<v Speaker 6>a phenomenon where they talk about flat Earth Thanksgiving because

629
00:29:20.599 --> 00:29:24.599
<v Speaker 6>they're no longer invited to their relatives houses or children's houses,

630
00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:26.359
<v Speaker 6>and so they spend the Thanksgiving by themselves and they

631
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:29.519
<v Speaker 6>share pictures of their Thanksgiving at home because they're by themselves.

632
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<v Speaker 6>And you know, that's like a very common because I mean,

633
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<v Speaker 6>if you think about it, like you know, if you

634
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<v Speaker 6>go to if you go to Thanksgiving and the person

635
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:38.759
<v Speaker 6>is talking to you about, you know, anti globe conspiracies,

636
00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:41.680
<v Speaker 6>after a while you're like, can we not talk about this?

637
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:43.680
<v Speaker 6>You know, and then you get annoyed.

638
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:46.680
<v Speaker 4>And to the Americas, they didn't fall off and that's

639
00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:49.240
<v Speaker 4>why they have Thanksgiving.

640
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<v Speaker 3>That's just so ironic and they made it.

641
00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:57.799
<v Speaker 6>They were still on the flat plane. It was just

642
00:29:58.119 --> 00:30:02.079
<v Speaker 6>one really well plane, long flat plane with ice on

643
00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:05.119
<v Speaker 6>the edges of it. Oh it's ice, Yeah, it's ice.

644
00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I never.

645
00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:10.480
<v Speaker 4>Knew that there was ice. And now I'm thinking of

646
00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:12.400
<v Speaker 4>what was it Game of Thrones, the Ice.

647
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:14.599
<v Speaker 1>Wall, right, the North Wall whatever.

648
00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:18.200
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, when you were talking about celebrities and being robots

649
00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:20.440
<v Speaker 5>or aliens, like I think of time travel. My kids

650
00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:23.920
<v Speaker 5>always believe that there's like these celebrities that have time travel.

651
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:25.400
<v Speaker 5>Do you believe in that or is that also like

652
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:27.359
<v Speaker 5>kind of a conspiracy type thing.

653
00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:30.640
<v Speaker 6>Oh, that's all conspiracy. But Elon Musk allegedly was a

654
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:32.880
<v Speaker 6>World War One pilot and there's a there's a picture

655
00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:36.279
<v Speaker 6>of him allegedly as a World War One pilot. The

656
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:38.240
<v Speaker 6>thing was that I thought he totally looked alike and

657
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:40.680
<v Speaker 6>that was really shocking that I thought they looked exactly alike.

658
00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:48.240
<v Speaker 6>But then my coast said I was racist because but

659
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:50.440
<v Speaker 6>to me, they totally looked alike and I could see

660
00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:52.480
<v Speaker 6>them being the same people. But my coast did not

661
00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:53.000
<v Speaker 6>believe it.

662
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:56.319
<v Speaker 3>Now I'm gonna to go look at that picture.

663
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<v Speaker 1>But you do hear about people that pictures would that

664
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:02.960
<v Speaker 1>where a guy has like a digital watch on way

665
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:09.680
<v Speaker 1>back in time, and things like that photo at least

666
00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:11.359
<v Speaker 1>at least call for you doing it.

667
00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:15.480
<v Speaker 6>Well, you know, like they'll always say things like how

668
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:17.920
<v Speaker 6>did how can the pyramids being built so long ago?

669
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:20.160
<v Speaker 6>Like that kind of technology are like, well, you know,

670
00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:23.640
<v Speaker 6>they weren't stupid back then. They could figure out stuff too.

671
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:25.680
<v Speaker 3>The menu and the alien helped it.

672
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:28.279
<v Speaker 4>I just got back from doing a shoot at the

673
00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:31.839
<v Speaker 4>Edgar Casey Ari Institute here and he was just talking

674
00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:34.519
<v Speaker 4>about when when he was channeling, he knows how the

675
00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:35.240
<v Speaker 4>pyramids were built.

676
00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:36.880
<v Speaker 2>And it's all in the readings. So if you really

677
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:38.440
<v Speaker 2>want to know, check it out.

678
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Interesting check out heygre Casey. Yeah. Now, one conspiracy theory

679
00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:46.519
<v Speaker 1>that I've well I'm not sure it was a conspiracy theory,

680
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:50.759
<v Speaker 1>but one theory. One one paranormal thing that you used

681
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:52.640
<v Speaker 1>to hear about all the time you don't hear about

682
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:54.319
<v Speaker 1>any more at all, Like I haven't heard a thing

683
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:57.920
<v Speaker 1>about it in decades, is the Bermuda triangle. Do you

684
00:31:57.920 --> 00:31:58.319
<v Speaker 1>remember that?

685
00:31:58.880 --> 00:31:59.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

686
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:01.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, happened to that? Did it just like no

687
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:03.119
<v Speaker 1>longer become a triangle.

688
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:05.440
<v Speaker 3>Or something turned into a circle.

689
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:07.799
<v Speaker 6>I think part of it is that there's not as

690
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:10.599
<v Speaker 6>much ship travels there used to be, right, but I

691
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:14.240
<v Speaker 6>know planes go down to but yeah, nobody really believes it.

692
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:17.000
<v Speaker 6>But the interesting thing there is on the opposite of

693
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:18.440
<v Speaker 6>the opposite side of the planet. So if you go

694
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:20.559
<v Speaker 6>through the planet, on the opposite side, there's an Asian

695
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:25.039
<v Speaker 6>per metera triangle, so there is really yeah, they're allegedly

696
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:26.880
<v Speaker 6>there's a media triangle.

697
00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:29.119
<v Speaker 4>You mean if you go along the straight long, flat

698
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:30.559
<v Speaker 4>line to the other side.

699
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:34.200
<v Speaker 6>No, go through on the other side of the globe.

700
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:35.880
<v Speaker 3>It's flat light flat.

701
00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:42.240
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, sorry, sorry, that's not a globe, it's a

702
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:42.920
<v Speaker 6>flat plane.

703
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:47.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, but that was one of my favorite stories

704
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:49.440
<v Speaker 1>because I grew up in Puerto Rico, so I was

705
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:52.160
<v Speaker 1>right on the triangle and whenever we flew from Puerto

706
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:54.799
<v Speaker 1>Rico to Miami, we flew over THEA triangle and it

707
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:56.640
<v Speaker 1>was all exciting. It's like, are we going to make it?

708
00:32:56.759 --> 00:32:58.279
<v Speaker 1>We get this, there's this the time when we find

709
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:01.759
<v Speaker 1>out what's happening in the A triangle and then radio silence,

710
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:04.000
<v Speaker 1>like total radio silence. Don't hear anything about it at all.

711
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:06.720
<v Speaker 6>I think they've done studies where it's not more there's

712
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:10.559
<v Speaker 6>you know, that area doesn't get more plane crashes or

713
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:13.880
<v Speaker 6>about missmissing boats than anywhere else statistically. I just think

714
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:18.400
<v Speaker 6>that they got there's more. There's more press on this

715
00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:20.279
<v Speaker 6>on the cases that have gone there, you know, because

716
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:23.119
<v Speaker 6>there's famous cases of like pilots going missing, and we

717
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:25.680
<v Speaker 6>hear the we hear the pilots going missing. So there's

718
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:26.400
<v Speaker 6>a lot of things like that.

719
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Every party needs a pooper.

720
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:34.960
<v Speaker 5>I thought the area was connected to aliens, like there

721
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.480
<v Speaker 5>might be like an alien ship buried deep down and

722
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:39.720
<v Speaker 5>in there right and it's like then they are coming

723
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:42.160
<v Speaker 5>and going and land it's like a landing pad or something.

724
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:42.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

725
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, the new theory now is that the whole hollow

726
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:49.359
<v Speaker 1>earth thing right there, there are portals inside places in

727
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:51.440
<v Speaker 1>the water that that UFOs are coming in and out of.

728
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:53.759
<v Speaker 1>But then apparently there's this whole like you into these

729
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:56.599
<v Speaker 1>caves and there's a whole subterranean world.

730
00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:59.279
<v Speaker 6>I've just seen that Maria is called Godzilla and kin

731
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:02.559
<v Speaker 6>Kok yeah, yeah, that's where god came from.

732
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:06.559
<v Speaker 1>But we can go down this massive rabbit hole now.

733
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:10.400
<v Speaker 1>But there's even talk about a catastrophic event that's coming

734
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:13.119
<v Speaker 1>in a couple like five ten years or something. Like that,

735
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:16.679
<v Speaker 1>and the government is actually building out these cities, subterranean

736
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:19.519
<v Speaker 1>cities that are going to house them, so that that's

737
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:22.280
<v Speaker 1>how they're going to survive the cataclysm. They're not telling

738
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:24.880
<v Speaker 1>anybody because it can't fit everybody underneath it. So I mean,

739
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:26.840
<v Speaker 1>there's all kinds of stuff that you can look into.

740
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:30.079
<v Speaker 6>Can I just say that in a future society, they

741
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:35.679
<v Speaker 6>definitely need screenwriters and producers, you know, so somebody myself,

742
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:39.079
<v Speaker 6>I'm not gonna say, you know, somebody like me would

743
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:43.519
<v Speaker 6>be perfect at such a place if anybody's listening. Well,

744
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:46.280
<v Speaker 6>and my family did, My family and my dog, my son,

745
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:48.679
<v Speaker 6>and we all were all needed, right.

746
00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:49.880
<v Speaker 3>Right, totally.

747
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:53.639
<v Speaker 5>Well, I think you're talking about is a zombie apocalypse.

748
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:55.559
<v Speaker 5>That's what I think you're talking about. That it's going

749
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:57.920
<v Speaker 5>to really happen, that we need to be saved from

750
00:34:58.039 --> 00:34:59.679
<v Speaker 5>all the humans are gonna have to play, We're gonna

751
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:03.159
<v Speaker 5>have to hide someplace, And that could be another conspiracy theory,

752
00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:04.280
<v Speaker 5>it could be well.

753
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:06.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah for sure, yeah for sure. But I think this

754
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:07.800
<v Speaker 1>has something to do with the Sun going nova or

755
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:10.079
<v Speaker 1>something like that. But I also heard along the same

756
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:14.719
<v Speaker 1>lines that this is why so many alien abductions are

757
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:19.119
<v Speaker 1>starting to like ramp up because first and foremost, we've

758
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:22.079
<v Speaker 1>talked to people who say, there are hundreds of different

759
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:25.559
<v Speaker 1>alien races. There's a whole galactic federation that is watching

760
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:30.199
<v Speaker 1>over us, and they're just poised waiting that if we

761
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:34.440
<v Speaker 1>can't ascend ourselves and help ourselves, and they're going to

762
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:36.119
<v Speaker 1>at the last minute, they're going to come in and

763
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:38.880
<v Speaker 1>grab us and help us out. Have you heard about that?

764
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:41.440
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, No, Yeah, definitely, there's always been there's always been

765
00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:43.960
<v Speaker 6>that element of especially in the nineteen fifties, there's always

766
00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:45.880
<v Speaker 6>been this element of like kind of saving the world,

767
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:50.280
<v Speaker 6>saving their earth, saving us from ourselves. Right, Generally, a

768
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:52.519
<v Speaker 6>lot of like in the past, it was the Space

769
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:54.719
<v Speaker 6>Brothers and Space Sisters, that they're here to help us,

770
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:57.079
<v Speaker 6>that they're here to make sure that we don't destroy

771
00:35:57.119 --> 00:35:59.079
<v Speaker 6>ourselves with nuclear weapons. I mean, there's a lot of

772
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:01.239
<v Speaker 6>there's a lot of sim there's a lot of cases

773
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:06.079
<v Speaker 6>with aliens and nuclear sites right where they couldn't like

774
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:08.360
<v Speaker 6>the UFO was flying around and they couldn't do anything

775
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:10.880
<v Speaker 6>about it and all the systems go down and things

776
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:12.800
<v Speaker 6>like that. But yeah, I think that there's always been

777
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:15.199
<v Speaker 6>that element of people who believe that the UFOs are good.

778
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:19.280
<v Speaker 6>But my personal belief is I remember what happened during colonization,

779
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:22.079
<v Speaker 6>you know, in Americas, and for me, like if I

780
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:24.519
<v Speaker 6>saw an alien, I assume it's going to be bad

781
00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:26.239
<v Speaker 6>because usually when you have a higher life farm and

782
00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:28.320
<v Speaker 6>not the lower life farm, it usually doesn't end well

783
00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:32.719
<v Speaker 6>for the lower life warm and unless you just being

784
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:34.920
<v Speaker 6>a cock, from just being like a native American is

785
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.639
<v Speaker 6>already tells me exactly how how it would be for us.

786
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:39.159
<v Speaker 6>So we'd have to figure out how to be a

787
00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:40.519
<v Speaker 6>cockreach as opposed to a human.

788
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:43.599
<v Speaker 1>Right. No, that's a great point. I mean, I got

789
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:47.159
<v Speaker 1>to ask because you're coming at this from a very

790
00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:51.480
<v Speaker 1>here's the explanation behind all this stuff, And that's awesome.

791
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:56.239
<v Speaker 1>That's I relate a lot because that's exactly how I was.

792
00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:58.519
<v Speaker 1>But three years ago or two years ago, whenever we

793
00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:03.039
<v Speaker 1>started the show. Ways, are you looking for something that's

794
00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:06.719
<v Speaker 1>going to surprise you that you can't explain or are

795
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:08.760
<v Speaker 1>you just to the point where you feel you're going

796
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:10.239
<v Speaker 1>to find an explanation for everything?

797
00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:13.079
<v Speaker 6>No? No, you know, one of the cliches with paranormal

798
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:14.800
<v Speaker 6>stuff is that when you look into the paranormal, the

799
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:17.280
<v Speaker 6>paranormal looks back at you. So I'm waiting for that

800
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:19.360
<v Speaker 6>time for the paranormal will look back at me, you know.

801
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:22.480
<v Speaker 6>I mean I've had like paranormal experiences or I've been

802
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:24.159
<v Speaker 6>around that kind of experience, so it's not like I

803
00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:27.000
<v Speaker 6>don't believe. Like, for example, one of the stories from

804
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:29.280
<v Speaker 6>my life is that when my dad passed away, my

805
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:31.440
<v Speaker 6>mom and my dad used to talk about how when

806
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:33.960
<v Speaker 6>you're when one of them passed, they'll tell the others

807
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:36.440
<v Speaker 6>they'll be okay. And so you know, when my mom

808
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:38.960
<v Speaker 6>came home once she was really devastated, she came home

809
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:41.880
<v Speaker 6>and then she smelled incense in her room when she

810
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:44.280
<v Speaker 6>hadn't burned any incense for a long time. And for

811
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:47.199
<v Speaker 6>those who don't know, Asians, Buddhists believe incense is the

812
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:50.360
<v Speaker 6>way you get from the spiritual realm to our wealth,

813
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:52.480
<v Speaker 6>and so she took that as a sign. And I

814
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:55.039
<v Speaker 6>smelled the incense too, and we don't burn incense regularly,

815
00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:58.119
<v Speaker 6>so it felt like a very like real experience, you know.

816
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:01.599
<v Speaker 6>Or other times when you know you feel connected to people,

817
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:04.000
<v Speaker 6>like I knew my when my dad got sick when

818
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:06.840
<v Speaker 6>I was young, I knew that it happened even though

819
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:09.559
<v Speaker 6>I was far away and I wasn't I had not

820
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:11.639
<v Speaker 6>heard about it, so you know, there their experiences and

821
00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:13.360
<v Speaker 6>I felt like, I think I've seen ghosts or been

822
00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:18.320
<v Speaker 6>around ghosts. But you know, I just want to in

823
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:20.280
<v Speaker 6>terms of like all the most of these stories, for me,

824
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:23.480
<v Speaker 6>it's about again, it's mostly it's about that political social

825
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:26.320
<v Speaker 6>kind of what it says about us as humans, because

826
00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:30.360
<v Speaker 6>stories are stories are about us and they tell us

827
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:32.599
<v Speaker 6>about who we are, and as a storyteller, that's what's

828
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:33.199
<v Speaker 6>important to me.

829
00:38:33.480 --> 00:38:35.760
<v Speaker 1>So then what about something a little bit more esoteric

830
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:38.280
<v Speaker 1>like reincarnation? Do you buy that?

831
00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:41.639
<v Speaker 6>I love? Those are some of my favorite stories about

832
00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:43.920
<v Speaker 6>the people, the children who know so much right, and

833
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:45.519
<v Speaker 6>they know so much about like they have bab ruth

834
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:47.360
<v Speaker 6>swing or whatever. There's a kid who knew had a

835
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:50.559
<v Speaker 6>perfect swing as everybody else, you know, and being a

836
00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:54.159
<v Speaker 6>lot of the Asian religions have reincarnation, So I could

837
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:56.599
<v Speaker 6>be I could, I could be convinced that reincarnation could work.

838
00:38:56.760 --> 00:38:59.519
<v Speaker 6>You know, I'm not against it. I think it's I

839
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:01.320
<v Speaker 6>think it's as valid as anything else.

840
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:05.599
<v Speaker 1>And then what angelic beings and spirituality things like that

841
00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:07.559
<v Speaker 1>in your wheelhouse or no out of it?

842
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<v Speaker 6>I've always had a strong faith, not in one religion,

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<v Speaker 6>but a strong faith in general. So I do believe,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, I think that's probably where the paranormal comes from,

845
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<v Speaker 6>is that I believe that things exist even if I

846
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<v Speaker 6>don't see it. So, you know, whether it's God or whoever,

847
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<v Speaker 6>it's something that I definitely have a strong belief in.

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<v Speaker 6>I just don't know if it's you know, a certain

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<v Speaker 6>religion or one religion versus another religion. And again, even

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<v Speaker 6>for religion, to me, it's about what it says about

851
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<v Speaker 6>who we are, you know, and the rules and laws

852
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<v Speaker 6>that they make. It says a lot about what we

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<v Speaker 6>believe about ourselves and what kind of people we can become.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I absolutely love your show. I had such a

855
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<v Speaker 1>great time being on it. I love listening to it

856
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:47.199
<v Speaker 1>because you guys literally make me laugh out loud every

857
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<v Speaker 1>time I listen to your show. And I know you

858
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<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier that the people that listen to your show

859
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<v Speaker 1>aren't into that kind of thing because you make fun

860
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:56.840
<v Speaker 1>of it. I'm here to tell you that's not true,

861
00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:58.400
<v Speaker 1>because I'm into that kind of stuff and.

862
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<v Speaker 6>Still love your show.

863
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:02.519
<v Speaker 1>So just don't count yourself out. People out there out there,

864
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:04.280
<v Speaker 1>who do have a sense of humor who can take it,

865
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<v Speaker 1>so it's all good.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I was talking with some of the other day and

868
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<v Speaker 4>kind of telling him some of the stuff that I

869
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<v Speaker 4>believe in, and I'm like, oh my god, I sound

870
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<v Speaker 4>like a lunatic, you know, like, if you don't think

871
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<v Speaker 4>I'm crazy, then I'm not telling you this is the truth,

872
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<v Speaker 4>because I was sounded like a crazy person.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's part of the fun of it too.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah. No, I mean, I think what makes paranormal fine

875
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:25.320
<v Speaker 6>is that there is no answers right, whether it's right

876
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<v Speaker 6>or wrong. There's and I think that's where a lot

877
00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:29.000
<v Speaker 6>of people go wrong is that it's like it's either

878
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<v Speaker 6>completely one hundred percent truo. You have to believe every

879
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:34.239
<v Speaker 6>single conspiracy and every single thing or everything is completely

880
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:37.519
<v Speaker 6>wrong and nothing could be real. And my philosophy is like,

881
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<v Speaker 6>I don't know. I don't know if it's real. I

882
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:41.280
<v Speaker 6>don't know if it's right not real. How do I know?

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<v Speaker 2>You can choose for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got to wrap my head around it could it be?

885
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:49.159
<v Speaker 1>How could it possibly be plausible? And I gotta tell you,

886
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<v Speaker 1>I say it all the time on the show Quantum

887
00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Mechanics changes everything. It's a game changer. It's suddenly anything's possible.

888
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<v Speaker 1>So it's a little bit more difficult to discount stuff

889
00:40:57.679 --> 00:40:59.840
<v Speaker 1>unless you've been Cody on the show and then he explained.

890
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<v Speaker 2>It for it. Dog comes down to bring.

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<v Speaker 6>As a writer, you know, one of the things I

892
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<v Speaker 6>know that the real life is always weirder than the

893
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:11.559
<v Speaker 6>stuff that you may make up. And every I teach

894
00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:15.000
<v Speaker 6>screenwriting as a couple of colleges and there's always that

895
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<v Speaker 6>student he write, They write the paper or the script,

896
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<v Speaker 6>and then the note is that this couldn't happen. And

897
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<v Speaker 6>then that person's number one comeback is this happened to me,

898
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<v Speaker 6>this is my life. And then it becomes really.

899
00:41:26.199 --> 00:41:28.239
<v Speaker 1>On this is real story.

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<v Speaker 5>You asked the kids these days, if you've watched the Simpsons,

901
00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:34.199
<v Speaker 5>everything that is on the Simpsons show has come.

902
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<v Speaker 3>True in real life.

903
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<v Speaker 5>Right, So if you're a screenwriter or in that whole world,

904
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:43.519
<v Speaker 5>sometimes art is happens in real life or art depicts life.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about time travel a little earlier on. There's

906
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<v Speaker 1>a theory that Mett Green, it created the Simpsons, is

907
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<v Speaker 1>a time traveler. That's how he's got all those stuff

908
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<v Speaker 1>out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Makes sense, It makes sense.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, I do believe that there's like a consciousness, right,

911
00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:58.000
<v Speaker 6>like like once once you put it out there, all

912
00:41:58.039 --> 00:41:59.519
<v Speaker 6>of a sudden, it gets picked. I mean, it's like

913
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<v Speaker 6>why GM tree was found. I was created in Americas

914
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<v Speaker 6>and Europe and Asia around the same time, right or

915
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<v Speaker 6>there's these discoveries at the same time, and it has

916
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<v Speaker 6>to be. It can't be that we all discovered at

917
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<v Speaker 6>the same time randomly. I definitely believe that there's something

918
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:15.960
<v Speaker 6>out there. So as a writer, as a creative, when

919
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:18.039
<v Speaker 6>we put it out there, all of a sudden, it

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<v Speaker 6>could happen.

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<v Speaker 5>I have a quick question why zombies, Like what is

922
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<v Speaker 5>the love of zombies?

923
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:24.679
<v Speaker 3>Ripping and guts?

924
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:27.239
<v Speaker 5>And you know, like I know that there's romance behind it,

925
00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:31.880
<v Speaker 5>and I know you write books centered around zombies and

926
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<v Speaker 5>I think it's cool, but I'm just curious because it's

927
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<v Speaker 5>like I'm a vampire kind of person.

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<v Speaker 3>So sorry, but.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it's the survival thing. It's just a matter

930
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:45.920
<v Speaker 6>of wanting like whether I could survive or not and

931
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<v Speaker 6>being really into kind of that that idea of being

932
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<v Speaker 6>able to have a horde of people and can can

933
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<v Speaker 6>we hold up in our house and can we can

934
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:56.239
<v Speaker 6>we survive this this this apocalypse, the zombie apocalypse, and

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<v Speaker 6>what I say to my son and everybody, If anybody

936
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<v Speaker 6>takes anything from anything I said today, this is it.

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<v Speaker 6>In any kind of world changing event, the number one thing,

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<v Speaker 6>the number one way to survive is having a will

939
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:11.559
<v Speaker 6>to survive. Is that you want to survive. There's enough food, water,

940
00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:14.840
<v Speaker 6>shelter in the market, like we could live meanwhill, we

941
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:17.719
<v Speaker 6>could live in the Vonds down the street, the Safeway

942
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<v Speaker 6>down the street for twelve years on the can food.

943
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<v Speaker 6>But what's the difference between.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you mentioned that because it's just just reiterating

945
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<v Speaker 1>the fact that you need a will to be able

946
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<v Speaker 1>to survive. You need a will. So keep guys lying

947
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<v Speaker 1>when you're making those underground cities and thinks.

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<v Speaker 6>Like that, because a lot of people they just don't

949
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<v Speaker 6>want they won't want to survive. They just don't want

950
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<v Speaker 6>to live. Like I don't have Facebook, I can't go

951
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:45.960
<v Speaker 6>to drive to work, I can't watch TV, I can't

952
00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:48.400
<v Speaker 6>go to McDonald or whatever it is. I'm not judging

953
00:43:48.679 --> 00:43:50.559
<v Speaker 6>whatever it is. They just don't want to live anymore

954
00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:53.880
<v Speaker 6>and they'll die you. And the difference is that you

955
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:56.719
<v Speaker 6>have to want to live. You have to that will

956
00:43:56.800 --> 00:43:58.960
<v Speaker 6>will allow you to live. And that's the thing that

957
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<v Speaker 6>I'm really interested in in terms of zombie apocalypse. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And for those who don't know the reason why Jelson

959
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:05.679
<v Speaker 1>asked that question because we didn't talk about it, the

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00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:08.159
<v Speaker 1>fact that you you actually write a lot about zombies,

961
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<v Speaker 1>Like your debut novel was Roomy and Juliet versus Zombies

962
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:14.480
<v Speaker 1>for example, right, and you've got another more recent novel

963
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:18.280
<v Speaker 1>which called Zombie Run, and you also did Santa Versus Zombies,

964
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:21.039
<v Speaker 1>and you do have a little bit of a track

965
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:21.960
<v Speaker 1>record with zombies.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, I love I mean I love every zombie thing

967
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:27.719
<v Speaker 6>related thing. My wife does has no idea what the hell.

968
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Favorite zombie movie?

969
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:34.159
<v Speaker 6>Twenty eight days later, Okay.

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00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:35.639
<v Speaker 3>Do you think zombies could be real?

971
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:38.880
<v Speaker 5>Coming back to the conspiracy stock, No, I mean it

972
00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:41.079
<v Speaker 5>could have happened, right, No, Yes, yes.

973
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<v Speaker 6>I mean it could. I mean it could happen like

974
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<v Speaker 6>rabies as an example. There are examples of zombie like

975
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:49.840
<v Speaker 6>viruses and other animal kingdoms, so it could definitely happen.

976
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<v Speaker 6>I can't say it couldn't happen, you know, but but

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<v Speaker 6>hopefully it doesn't.

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00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:55.239
<v Speaker 2>It'd be terrible In South America.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that'd be terrible. But they get in the brains

980
00:44:57.639 --> 00:44:59.519
<v Speaker 6>and they make the creatures do crazy things.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, you're just validating my husband's reason why he gets

982
00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:05.400
<v Speaker 5>to go to Costco and shop and buy and stock

983
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:07.639
<v Speaker 5>everything up, all the stuff you can say that they

984
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:09.360
<v Speaker 5>want to eat, and then they stop eating it as

985
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:10.440
<v Speaker 5>soon as you buy it in bulk.

986
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<v Speaker 3>So, but we're prepared for the zombie apodcalyst.

987
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:15.320
<v Speaker 6>We're going to live. My family will live off of

988
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:17.519
<v Speaker 6>spam for a long time. We have a lot of spam.

989
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<v Speaker 1>That's stuff that stays around for eight long times.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I could last forever. We'll be on the roof

991
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<v Speaker 6>eating spam for.

992
00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:28.039
<v Speaker 1>The Yeah, my favorite zombie movie, if you haven't seen it,

993
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<v Speaker 1>check it out Trained to Boussan unbelievable of it, unbelievable movie.

994
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<v Speaker 1>That's a really good So Goji. Someone wanted to listen

995
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<v Speaker 1>to your show, what's the best way? Where can they

996
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<v Speaker 1>find you?

997
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:41.840
<v Speaker 6>They can find an official Official Story on any everywhere

998
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:44.599
<v Speaker 6>you listen to normally listen to podcasts on Apple Podcasts

999
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<v Speaker 6>and Spotify and all those great places. Or you can

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<v Speaker 6>go to our website the www Onnofficialofficial Story dot com

1001
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<v Speaker 6>and you could get everything there.

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<v Speaker 1>And then jobs and if someone's listen to your show.

1003
00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:57.239
<v Speaker 1>We showed a little bit of your interview skills, but man,

1004
00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:01.320
<v Speaker 1>you your show is super varied that you talk about

1005
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:03.599
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of stuff, and it's like listening to a

1006
00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:07.159
<v Speaker 1>conversation between people that are really interesting talking with each other. Right,

1007
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:09.480
<v Speaker 1>you just come right into it. It's a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>So how can people find you if they are interested

1009
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<v Speaker 1>in checking out your show?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, apparently we're not going to survive if we don't

1011
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:16.199
<v Speaker 5>have a will. It's just so I'm gonna have to

1012
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<v Speaker 5>get myself a will. But I have a nikky and

1013
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<v Speaker 5>I have a Yeah, so you can find me. You

1014
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<v Speaker 5>can find us at Keeping up with Chaos dot and

1015
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<v Speaker 5>and yeah, so we're on all the normal podcast platforms.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a tongue twister.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're going to go ahead and add direct links

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<v Speaker 1>to all of that stuff on our show notes. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you're listening to this on the radio and you

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<v Speaker 1>are looking for the links, just go to Skepticmaneposition dot

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<v Speaker 1>com and you'll see that on their episode page. Just

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<v Speaker 1>click it. You'll get gets you a one stop shop

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<v Speaker 1>directly to Kogi and Joles and guys, Thanks so much

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<v Speaker 1>for coming on and talking conspiracies with us because this

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<v Speaker 1>was so much fun.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you for having

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<v Speaker 3>Me, Thank you