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<v Speaker 1>A thirty on a Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>It is that time a week I always look forward

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<v Speaker 2>to having a nice, in depth conversation about some of

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<v Speaker 2>the more problematic topics in the world. It's time for

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<v Speaker 2>the Daniel Davis Deep Dive with retired Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back, my friend. Always a pleasure. I always look

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<v Speaker 2>forward to this segment.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, so in a while, I really do. Can't

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<v Speaker 3>wait to see what we do today. I know, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I was looking down at the topic lists.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going, oh, jeez, you know, I mean, the world's

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<v Speaker 3>fallen apart, and that's what you and I talk about

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<v Speaker 3>from a military standpoint, and I certainly appreciate your insight

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<v Speaker 3>in this regard. But it was just yesterday my son

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<v Speaker 3>brought over a video of this intense explosion in the

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<v Speaker 3>Tartis region. Apparently the Israelies dropped a bunch of bombs

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<v Speaker 3>and it looked like and my son and the immediate

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<v Speaker 3>rumors on the Internet were swirling that looked like maybe

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<v Speaker 3>a small nuke had gone off. And when you're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about World War three starting now, the Russians, of course

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<v Speaker 3>have nukes. We know the Israelies do we know the

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<v Speaker 3>Iran probably do or in any event, then I see

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<v Speaker 3>your headline with this Putin the West pushing us to

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<v Speaker 3>our red lines, and when you're dealing with a nuclear power,

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<v Speaker 3>that red line certainly could potentially involve nuclear weapons. So

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<v Speaker 3>I am very interested in hearing what you have to

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<v Speaker 3>say about this one. Yeah, there was interesting because there

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<v Speaker 3>was almost dueling statements made by Trump and Putin at

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<v Speaker 3>nearly the same time yesterday, both kind of laying out

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<v Speaker 3>their positions, and you know, Putin is for his side,

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<v Speaker 3>was saying, hey, you know, I just don't get why

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<v Speaker 3>you guys don't believe us and you keep pushing towards

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<v Speaker 3>our red lines. He's talking about the continued use by

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<v Speaker 3>the Body Administration of these long range weapons inside of

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<v Speaker 3>Russia two hundred kilometers deep inside.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump, for his side, also made.

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<v Speaker 3>Reference to the same thing, and he said, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think it's a good idea, and I think.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to stop.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's it's actually encouraging from a certain perspective that

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<v Speaker 3>you have both leaders talking about the same thing, because

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<v Speaker 3>they both want to get this thing over with three

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<v Speaker 3>different reasons. And honestly, I don't care what their reasons are.

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<v Speaker 3>As long as we end this war and return to

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<v Speaker 3>some sort of stability in Europe, that's good for America.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let me tap your sort of political analysis

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<v Speaker 2>on this, which seems to be what this is. You

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<v Speaker 2>and I have been over this before. Those whatever those

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<v Speaker 2>missiles are called atcams or the longer range ones, which

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<v Speaker 2>you and I agree and everybody in the NO agrees,

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<v Speaker 2>requires some United States military high level Sir authority approval

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<v Speaker 2>to help use or otherwise operate and fire them. So

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<v Speaker 2>we've got boots on the ground inside Ukraine launching missiles

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<v Speaker 2>into Russia. That all sounds bad. We know they're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to accomplish much. You've already talked about how they

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<v Speaker 2>can be shot down by Russia's you know, version of

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<v Speaker 2>the drone system, and they have. They come at an

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<v Speaker 2>amazing They're millions and millions of dollars of pop. This

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<v Speaker 2>isn't like throwing a drone at something. So with all

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<v Speaker 2>that in mind, what in the hell is Biden trying

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<v Speaker 2>to accomplish by even allowing them to be used or

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<v Speaker 2>having our people operate them.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, honestly, it's all we're left with his speculation

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<v Speaker 3>because the Biden administration officially just says this is to

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<v Speaker 3>help Ukraine defend itself. You know that blanket they've been

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<v Speaker 3>using on stuff forever, which means nothing. It doesn't really

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<v Speaker 3>answer the question. Okay, ye'all get it, they'd want to

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<v Speaker 3>defend themselves, but why this particular and why this particular

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<v Speaker 3>time win? It doesn't gonna it will not cannot change

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<v Speaker 3>the outcome of the war itself, but can possibly expanded

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<v Speaker 3>and escalate it.

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<v Speaker 1>I there's no good answer.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, some of the things are that they want

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<v Speaker 3>to maybe tie, they want it to escalate, They want

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<v Speaker 3>Russia to react in a strong way so that the

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<v Speaker 3>war expands, and then Trump can't come in on twenty January,

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<v Speaker 3>and it seeks some kind of negotiated settlement to end

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<v Speaker 3>the content.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh. You know, I think that there's.

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<v Speaker 3>Still some people and this is hard to believe in

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<v Speaker 3>the Body administration, and I know this for a fact,

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<v Speaker 3>actually still have a fantasy that the war can be

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<v Speaker 3>won if only they get more time, a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>more money, some more ammunition, et cetera. And I can

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<v Speaker 3>assure you from a military perspective, there is exactly zero

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<v Speaker 3>chance of that happening. And all it's going to do

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<v Speaker 3>is increase the cost in personnel, blood and treasure for

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<v Speaker 3>the Ukraine side to lose because it's already baked in

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<v Speaker 3>the war.

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<v Speaker 2>His concluded, Well, and I just the pivotal way still,

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<v Speaker 2>same war, same conflict that the I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>you had seamless whether there's any credibility to it, because

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<v Speaker 2>we talked before about North Korea sending some troops there,

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<v Speaker 2>and in your estimation, they were there to get some

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<v Speaker 2>you know, on the ground, real training, to the extent

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<v Speaker 2>they end up with a shooting war, uh with with

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<v Speaker 2>South Korea or something because most of their military has

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<v Speaker 2>not been engaged and engaged in actual combat. But that

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<v Speaker 2>the North Koreans that were there actually ended up firing

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<v Speaker 2>upon and taking out some of the Russian troops. I

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<v Speaker 2>hate to have to laugh at that, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if you saw that or whether there's any credibility

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<v Speaker 2>to that reporting.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you just have to take everything with a

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<v Speaker 3>grain of salt, because especially in this war, there's so

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<v Speaker 3>much intentional misinformation where various sides change things, they publish

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<v Speaker 3>one video and claim it's something different, or even some

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<v Speaker 3>things are doctored and manufactured in ai.

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<v Speaker 1>Type of deal. Whatever I'll just tell you that it's

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<v Speaker 1>very conceivable. It could be absolutely.

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<v Speaker 3>True as talked about that it could also be misinformation

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<v Speaker 3>by somebody on the Ukraine side who wants to just

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<v Speaker 3>cast dispersions whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, either way, it makes no difference.

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<v Speaker 3>Because there's such small numbers we're talking about here, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not going to be either help Russia or hurt Russia.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why I think that the most likely scenario is

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<v Speaker 3>that the North Korea wants to gain experience for inst troops.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's not. In fact, it's actually.

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<v Speaker 3>Being inconvenient for Russia because they have this language problem.

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<v Speaker 3>They have somebody who doesn't have combat experience. It's difficult

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<v Speaker 3>to do command and control. So it's a headache for

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<v Speaker 3>the Russian side. It's not a help.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not a good opportunity for a journeyman apprentice

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<v Speaker 2>program basically.

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<v Speaker 1>No, right, yeah, yeah, you might want to rethink that program. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this use of these missiles and our provision of

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<v Speaker 2>these missiles and our operation of these missiles in Russia

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<v Speaker 2>and the concern we have is that these self defeating

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<v Speaker 2>arrogance that you wanted to talk about, or is this

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<v Speaker 2>are we pivoting over to something else.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was something else.

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<v Speaker 3>That was that was because of a magazine, Foreign Affairs,

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<v Speaker 3>what has been the premier foreign policy magazine in America

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<v Speaker 3>for decades. Mitch McConnell published this piece in there that said,

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<v Speaker 3>basically that all of the world's problems are we don't

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<v Speaker 3>have anything to do with them. They are all these

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<v Speaker 3>bad guys in China, in North Korea, in Iran, and

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<v Speaker 3>certainly in Russia, and and you know, in the Middle East,

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of.

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<v Speaker 1>Bunch of pizza.

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<v Speaker 3>All these bad things that are happening are all just

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<v Speaker 3>because we're too weak.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to spend.

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<v Speaker 3>Not just a lot more on defense when you spend

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<v Speaker 3>a lot more, and we need to forget about diplomacy,

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<v Speaker 3>we need to go with.

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<v Speaker 1>Hard power, etc.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just just took that apart and said, this

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<v Speaker 3>promisey first, and this diplomacy free foreign policy has.

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<v Speaker 1>Been an absolute disaster for America.

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<v Speaker 3>That has cost us in Iraq, Afghanistan, in Syria. It's

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<v Speaker 3>been a disaster in Syria and Libya, et cetera, Africa,

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<v Speaker 3>you name it.

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<v Speaker 1>Everywhere we've tried this, it.

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<v Speaker 3>Has been disastrous results and it is time to jettison that.

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<v Speaker 3>But these guys want to double down on it, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's a terrible idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, if they want to double down on it,

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<v Speaker 2>As we've talked many times before and others have observed,

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<v Speaker 2>you better damn well have an endgame. You better, dan

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<v Speaker 2>will have a strategy. Why would you want to enter

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<v Speaker 2>any given situation in conflict or war? You better know

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<v Speaker 2>how to get from point A to points and what

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<v Speaker 2>point Z is, and that point Z is a good

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<v Speaker 2>place to be, and that you've got an effective strategy

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<v Speaker 2>to get there. It always seems to me we're in

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<v Speaker 2>these ready fire aim situations or it's just like will

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<v Speaker 2>we go in and we're like, wait a second, why

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<v Speaker 2>are we here again?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, listen, I'll tell you what worries me is that

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<v Speaker 3>there may be an objective and it may be cash.

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<v Speaker 3>Because that is the one thing that you're right. It

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<v Speaker 3>is strategy free. It doesn't say here will be the outcome,

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<v Speaker 3>here is the method to get there, here's here's the

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<v Speaker 3>means of getting it done.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have an in state, a means, and a

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<v Speaker 1>path to get there.

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<v Speaker 3>None of that except that it all goes down to

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<v Speaker 3>we need more defense money and a lot more I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>he emphasized a lot more, nine hundred billion dollars, way

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<v Speaker 3>more than what is it like the next ten nations

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<v Speaker 3>in a row, and he's saying that's not enough.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm saying, look, don't be stupid, because.

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<v Speaker 3>You're saying, we want to do things that have been

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<v Speaker 3>demonstrably failed more. And then somehow he thinks that's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>end up with which he doesn't explain how it's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>end up better for the United States, but that's what

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<v Speaker 3>he's claiming. And that's that's why I'm so aggravated about it,

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<v Speaker 3>because guys who serve in uniform like I did, are

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<v Speaker 3>the bill payers for this. And that's one of the

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<v Speaker 3>things I pointed out in that show there that there

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<v Speaker 3>have been tens of thousands of Americans killed and wounded

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<v Speaker 3>in these absurd wars that most of which didn't even

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<v Speaker 3>need to be fought. Hundreds of thousands more killed in

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<v Speaker 3>Moody six trillion that we fought in all of these

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<v Speaker 3>insurgent wars, you know, since the mid two thousands, and

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<v Speaker 3>no talk about any of the cost to us for

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<v Speaker 3>these failed policies.

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<v Speaker 2>But I am, well, I'm glad you do, and I

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<v Speaker 2>share your concern on that. And I tell you what,

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<v Speaker 2>as a starting point, if we're gonna go down Mitch

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<v Speaker 2>McConnell's path, how about we start with a pentagon and

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<v Speaker 2>a defense spending that can pass an audit? Can we

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<v Speaker 2>can we just start there?

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<v Speaker 1>Can I give you an amen on that one? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel did. That's a good place to start.

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<v Speaker 3>If you can't even tell me how you're using nine

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<v Speaker 3>hundred billion and now you want another one hundred billion,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, come.

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<v Speaker 2>On, man, As my dad used to say, I got

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<v Speaker 2>two words for you, and they eate. Happy birthday, Daniel Davis,

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<v Speaker 2>deep dive always a pleasure, my friend. We'll talk to Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>we will se you next time. Yeah, next time. It'll

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<v Speaker 2>be next year. I'm off after Friday, the balance of

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<v Speaker 2>the year, God bless you. Merry Christmas, I'm hoping, or

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<v Speaker 2>a Happy New Year or hippie Honeger, whatever the hell

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<v Speaker 2>you celebrate, Daniel, I hope it's a great celebration. A

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<v Speaker 2>wish in early happy New Year, and we'll hit the

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<v Speaker 2>ground running after the first same to you. My friend,

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<v Speaker 2>looks a forty fifty five car. See the talk station

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<v Speaker 2>stick around. We're gonna be talking Gastro health doctor Kevin

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<v Speaker 2>Cronley on colon cancer. That'll be next to be right

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