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Speaker 3: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo Fay.
Speaker 2: Hey, Bobes, what's happening man?
Speaker 4: Oh? Not much, just waiting to talk to you. Ah.
Speaker 2: I bet you're waiting on pins and needles man, probably
Speaker 2: the high point of your day.
Speaker 4: It actually is.
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, Bobes. Hope you have a better day tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Hey man, last time I saw you, you were driving
Speaker 2: down my road with the trailer hitched onto your truck.
Speaker 2: How did that go? I haven't spoken to you since
Speaker 2: they went good.
Speaker 4: Sounds sketches I didn't have. It wasn't registered.
Speaker 2: I know that's what you were emptying the entire thing,
Speaker 2: because you expected to get pulled over and the cops
Speaker 2: to take your to impound your trailer and they'll never
Speaker 2: get it back, and then it wouldn't be your problem anymore.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I got it down there. I stopped at uh
Speaker 4: between like Eagle Point and Medford to sleep. I just
Speaker 4: pulled it into some industrial parking lot. And again I
Speaker 4: had squeakers come up and try to mess with they
Speaker 4: they didn't try. They didn't mess with. The trolley went
Speaker 4: up and got up to the back of my truck.
Speaker 4: I had it kind of parked I could. I pulled
Speaker 4: it into angle so I could. I could see out
Speaker 4: the trailer window. I could see the pasture side of
Speaker 4: my truck, and I thought, these guys walk up by
Speaker 4: the tailgate in the back, and I started yelling and
Speaker 4: they took off. And then I was like, I can't
Speaker 4: sleep here. So I got out and I looked on
Speaker 4: the Google Google Earth, and I found like a look
Speaker 4: like a nice neighborhood, like figure lots and like big,
Speaker 4: bigger houses. And I went and parked there. And then
Speaker 4: crazy enough to be like, at five twenty in the morning,
Speaker 4: wasn't even light yet, this dude whips up a fired
Speaker 4: up a weed whacker right outside my trailer window. You'd
Speaker 4: like five feet from my head if I starts talking
Speaker 4: all loud, like talking to himself about uh, people parking
Speaker 4: in his neighborhood this and that it's crazy. And then
Speaker 4: at like six o'clock, like six fifteen it was, it
Speaker 4: was pretty light. Then he starts painting like new year
Speaker 4: thing on his fence and he's talking to his neighbor
Speaker 4: real loud, like referencing my trailer and you know, like
Speaker 4: how trashy that is and low class and you know,
Speaker 4: and they better they better not put on leaving it
Speaker 4: here will be gone. When he went inside the house,
Speaker 4: I just got out and throw down and I had
Speaker 4: to drive back into Medford and I went to a safeway.
Speaker 2: And you do like sleep in a safeway. I understand.
Speaker 4: I know this was awesome. I got back on the trailer.
Speaker 4: It I get in there. All of a sudden, here
Speaker 4: more weed wreckers and stuff or leaf flowers. The cleaning
Speaker 4: crew like that does the all those little islands with
Speaker 4: the with the garden stuff in the middle, like little
Speaker 4: trees and stuff like the parking lot. They're cleaning that
Speaker 4: up and then and then also uh leaf blowing the
Speaker 4: parking lot there. They started off like around my truck
Speaker 4: and they it was just so loud that they their
Speaker 4: truck was parked right in front of it, like I
Speaker 4: they wanted to park in the shade. I kind of
Speaker 4: gabbled up all the space at my truck and trailer
Speaker 4: and I was in the only space shaded stay Spik
Speaker 4: Sea for a long way away and it was pretty
Speaker 4: hot out. It was gonna be a hot day. I'll
Speaker 4: get some sleep by work in the shade. And then
Speaker 4: I got given out of that spot. But then, uh,
Speaker 4: I was looking for a place to jump jump it
Speaker 4: because I was like, I'm just gonna go home and
Speaker 4: put it on Craigslist. Thing come back up like the
Speaker 4: show up the next weekend. And I called by Bunny JG.
Speaker 4: He's a squatscher down there in Grabb's Pass and he
Speaker 4: I fed like a five acre piece And I said,
Speaker 4: if he's a construction guy a contact, And I said,
Speaker 4: I called up and say, do you do like a
Speaker 4: construction yard like some like this somewhere I can I
Speaker 4: can drop it for a week or something like that.
Speaker 4: It wouldn't be in the way and knowing like you know,
Speaker 4: do it or vandalize it. And he says, oh, we
Speaker 4: got plenty of room on our place and is bringing
Speaker 4: up here. And so I dropped it up there, and uh,
Speaker 4: I got it advertised for sale. I got people will
Speaker 4: tell me about it. So I'll probably go up there
Speaker 4: this weekend and saw it to whoever.
Speaker 2: That that's great. You have some hits on. Possibly somebody
Speaker 2: buying the trailer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one day wants to live in it. It's gonna
Speaker 4: be a campsite host somewhere in del North County.
Speaker 2: Oh, that'd be a good u you know, a good
Speaker 2: after life for the trailer and.
Speaker 4: A good contact.
Speaker 2: They had a good contact. Yeah, totally, totally. But yeah,
Speaker 2: you know you love that trailer. You wanted to go
Speaker 2: to a good home exactly.
Speaker 4: I had one first cove and offered me a good
Speaker 4: price for it, but they uh defeated it for a while.
Speaker 4: They didn't care that if they got rained on it.
Speaker 4: You know, by the end of the winter, it was
Speaker 4: Vicky Moldy, They're coming only I'm only been there, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna even I'll be out there by Christmas
Speaker 4: the late probably be o there by. You know, I
Speaker 4: just needed temporary, cheaper than running a house or whatever.
Speaker 4: And I said, dude, I can't do it. You just
Speaker 4: ruined this thing, right.
Speaker 2: It's like a child. It's a child that lived in
Speaker 2: Oregon when he lived in California.
Speaker 4: You know, for the last years.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 4: It's still for sale though.
Speaker 2: All right, well maybe maybe there's a member discount.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for sure off.
Speaker 2: After you raised Surprise thirty percent. You know, I I
Speaker 2: reached out to Brandon Tenant because I was saying, you know,
Speaker 2: we should do another Bigfoot and Beyond t shirt, and
Speaker 2: you know that trailer would be great for the for
Speaker 2: the art. So you know that picture I took of
Speaker 2: view standing in front of the trailer. I sent out
Speaker 2: the brand and I said, hey, man, can you do
Speaker 2: anything with this? Like I'm thinking make it into a
Speaker 2: black line Master with Bobo holding a flag or something
Speaker 2: like that, some sort of huge patriotic, over the top ridiculousness,
Speaker 2: and with Matt Prude and I in the window of
Speaker 2: the trailer like like we're trapped for you at mel
Speaker 2: or me and Mal being held Well, prote needs to
Speaker 2: be in there somewhere where would Matt be.
Speaker 4: There's a two windows in the door.
Speaker 3: I think you need mail like holding a shotgun, eat
Speaker 3: off my law.
Speaker 4: This should be a yeah, bell holding a shotgut of
Speaker 4: be like dragging the trailer with a rope like I'm
Speaker 4: just over my shoulder just hauling it off at gunpoint.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, maybe maybe maybe that idea, the art
Speaker 2: idea isn't dead yet. I don't know. I don't know listeners.
Speaker 2: Does that sound good to you? Like, shoot map pro
Speaker 2: and email if you'd be interested in picking up a
Speaker 2: shirt like that. I'd like some sort of limited edition
Speaker 2: Bobo's trailer's shirt.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I think if there was ever a better advertisement
Speaker 3: for the Patreon, it's like, hey, if you're interested in
Speaker 3: Bobo's trailer, for five dollars a month, you can get
Speaker 3: twenty five percent off this trailer. So sign up at
Speaker 3: the link in the show notes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll deliver it on the West Coast.
Speaker 4: I found all the paper I found all the paperwork.
Speaker 2: Oh good, good, that's a that's a baby step towards legality.
Speaker 2: That's great. Yeah. No, Actually that that just shows you
Speaker 2: own and you're allowed to sell it, which is something
Speaker 2: that I think any prospective buyer would probably want.
Speaker 4: It's a bonus.
Speaker 2: You can't go around selling other people's stuff. So that
Speaker 2: so the trailer is in another temporary home and hopefully
Speaker 2: it'll be sold the next week or two. Help you.
Speaker 2: You hope you're going to keep us on top of that.
Speaker 2: And I'd like to hear about what happened to my
Speaker 2: old friend the trailer.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I got it.
Speaker 4: I got pressure. I got till the end of September,
Speaker 4: so I got but twenty days, plenty of time. Yes,
Speaker 4: I was gonna drop it with my friends in Van
Speaker 4: Oregon because I thought, like, you know, they're handing their outdoor,
Speaker 4: they're to camp and all that, and they have they
Speaker 4: have a piece of property that I go there. It's
Speaker 4: like a really nice house and a nice neighborhood. It's
Speaker 4: not a half acre. And it's like, well, if I
Speaker 4: redid it, you got to strip the top these new
Speaker 4: roof fladder that's like the main thing. You got to
Speaker 4: pull the seal each both those seal trips and red
Speaker 4: you know, scrub it down and then make it clean
Speaker 4: and reseal it be it'll be nice. It'll be you know,
Speaker 4: good to go for years. And the top though, like
Speaker 4: when you strip the top, it's like you need to
Speaker 4: be like somewhere like a cliff shop or something with
Speaker 4: like no wind so you're not blowing that stuff that's
Speaker 4: gotta be toxic, you know that when it's gotta be
Speaker 4: way toxic. So they had to they have like an
Speaker 4: organic garden and organic chickens, you know, egg laying in
Speaker 4: their yard, and so it would have been like all
Speaker 4: this you know, debris coming down and talk or stuff
Speaker 4: in their organic garden and chicken yard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, the trailer is not that far
Speaker 2: out from being a really nice trailer. It just needs
Speaker 2: a little bit, It needs a couple of days of
Speaker 2: tender love and it'll be back to a really really
Speaker 2: nice trailer. So I think whoever it gets at it's
Speaker 2: gonna be pretty happy with it. It's definitely a you know,
Speaker 2: fix me up and fix it up a little.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, it should work. That's why it's so
Speaker 4: cheap because it's the Imperial de.
Speaker 2: Luxe package Dan Dunam the Empire.
Speaker 4: Uh, that's you can tell us an old trailer and
Speaker 4: the word imperial is like a.
Speaker 2: That's a good thing. Yeah yeah, it's not exactly a
Speaker 2: PC sort of thing. Well all right, hey, well you
Speaker 2: know what we actually jobbed to do instead of just
Speaker 2: catching up about the trailer. So why don't we hop
Speaker 2: on that. Get it together, push us, Matt, hurt us,
Speaker 2: hurt us like the kittens we are. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 2: a Q and A episode, which of course is some
Speaker 2: of our favorite things to do here in Bigfoot and Beyond.
Speaker 2: And we're taking questions directly from our audience. You can
Speaker 2: also ask questions of Cliff and Bobo and Matt if
Speaker 2: you choose to. You can go to Bigfoot and Beyond
Speaker 2: podcast dot com and at the contact button and send
Speaker 2: us o questions. You could even leave us a voicemail
Speaker 2: and we can listen to your voice on the air,
Speaker 2: which is also a lot of fun. And of course,
Speaker 2: the levely and talented Matt Prout will put these links
Speaker 2: down in the show notes below. But let's hop on
Speaker 2: the first voicemail and let's see what this person wants
Speaker 2: to know.
Speaker 5: Hey, y'all, this is Alan from Indiana and what I
Speaker 5: want to know is what's the coolest Bigfoot tattoo you
Speaker 5: guys have ever seen? I'm sure you've seen a lot
Speaker 5: of them over the years, whether it was one of
Speaker 5: your guys's faces or just Bigfoot himself. I love the show,
Speaker 5: you guys, keep it up, listen to it every week
Speaker 5: and it's fantastic.
Speaker 2: Have a good one, it's good question.
Speaker 4: That's the foolest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bobo does have a really nice one, But why
Speaker 2: don't you describe your tattoo for everybody?
Speaker 4: It's a sasquat surfing on a log like an actual
Speaker 4: log that's what they used to call it. Log. They
Speaker 4: used to call a big long boards in the fifties
Speaker 4: and forties and sixties and stuff like that, they were
Speaker 4: called bogs, and big long long boards were called blogs.
Speaker 4: But it surfing a log. But it's like just a
Speaker 4: red wood log that fell down on the woods. It's like,
Speaker 4: you know, the piece of dead ball or something. It's
Speaker 4: getting barrel these it's a water view looking in towards
Speaker 4: the barrel of a squatch pulling in off of Patrick's Point,
Speaker 4: that place where I saw the UFOs right with some
Speaker 4: rain coming down. I was done by Kwana that. I
Speaker 4: just got down red Prest and then uh, it's up
Speaker 4: and humble and then Opie down Long Beach Opie.
Speaker 2: Rts Opie as in Long Beach dub All Stars. Yeah,
Speaker 2: no kidding, Okay, I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: He's well, he's a he did all the sublime art
Speaker 4: and like all these long guys tattoos. But I've seen
Speaker 4: some cool ones. Uh thost of them, though, like almost
Speaker 4: all of them are are Patty style, which is I mean.
Speaker 4: I've seen some like really nice detail ones, like guys
Speaker 4: about their whole backs like a forest, you know, like
Speaker 4: a Patty walking through the middle of the forest looking
Speaker 4: over the shoulder, looking back like fifty two frame. Uh,
Speaker 4: I tell of those, but I've seen a couple like
Speaker 4: I've seen some other ones that are that are really cool,
Speaker 4: but I can't none of them chip out the mine
Speaker 4: like mostly just like a child, like a squash of
Speaker 4: the space where standing there looking all aboff, or it's
Speaker 4: walking like tatty with all the ones I usually see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, when the North American big Foot Center
Speaker 2: first opened, we had an entire wall of bigfoot tattoos,
Speaker 2: you know, because Portland's kind of a tattoos sort of town,
Speaker 2: and we have some amazing entries, just amazing, beautiful, fantastic art,
Speaker 2: some really terrible ones at the same time, which I love.
Speaker 2: Bad tattoos or something that bad tattoos are right up
Speaker 2: there with bad taxidermy for me. I just love that stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I totally love it. But you know, and of all
Speaker 2: the fantastic and beautiful arts and everything that I saw
Speaker 2: on our wall there at the NABC, the one that
Speaker 2: stands out to me the most was was on a
Speaker 2: dude named Dwayne. He it was just basically a patty thing,
Speaker 2: you know. He had the logs in front. It was
Speaker 2: it was walking the wrong direction, you know, it was
Speaker 2: walking from right to left and said the left to
Speaker 2: right like in the film. But other than that, there's
Speaker 2: basically a Paddy tattoo. But the differences is he had
Speaker 2: Bob Gimlin autograph his arm with a sharpie and then
Speaker 2: he went straight to the tattoo parlor and got Bob
Speaker 2: Gimlin's autograph on his arm.
Speaker 4: My buddy, how he got the works when I've ever
Speaker 4: seen what's that? He got a huge big foot on
Speaker 4: his arm walking kind of like the Patty walk a
Speaker 4: little bit, but the guys drew like especially like a
Speaker 4: hairy outline because it's just like an outline of it.
Speaker 4: But it looks like it looks like he just think
Speaker 4: drew electricity all over like in the shape like like
Speaker 4: just like a little electrical charges going around making the
Speaker 4: shape of a big foot. So we called it electro Man.
Speaker 4: We always heckle a electro man tattoo.
Speaker 2: Well, no wonder the bigfoots can zap people if that's
Speaker 2: the case. You know, I did see another tattoo and
Speaker 2: it's kind of tangentially bigfooty. It was at Cryptid con
Speaker 2: I think last year that that great event. It's coming
Speaker 2: up this year as well. I'll be speaking at it again.
Speaker 2: It's the weekend before Thanksgiving. It's in Kentucky. I think,
Speaker 2: Matt Prue, you're gonna be there, aren't you.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's one of my favorite events to attend.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a good one. And of course the
Speaker 2: Mountain Monster guys go to that, and you know, say
Speaker 2: what you want about the TV show, it's super entertaining
Speaker 2: and everything like that. Over the top. And those dudes
Speaker 2: are not actors. They just turned it up to eleven.
Speaker 2: They're just a bunch of weirdos. And they're really really nice,
Speaker 2: sweetheart guys. Man, they would they would literally give you
Speaker 2: the shirt off their back. They're just lovely, lovely humans.
Speaker 2: But a woman came to Cryptid Con because the Mountain
Speaker 2: Monster guys were going to be there, and she came
Speaker 2: from Europe or something, if I remember correctly, I want
Speaker 2: to say Iceland or some I don't know, so like
Speaker 2: some European country if I remember correctly. And she came
Speaker 2: and she got them to autograph her her thigh, and
Speaker 2: then she went straight to the tattoo parlor and got
Speaker 2: them all autographed their faces out their faces, No, just
Speaker 2: just to autographs.
Speaker 4: Who's done both?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that'd be great.
Speaker 4: I had like a portrait of a signature underneath. That'd
Speaker 4: be all time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be very very nice. Cut that out
Speaker 2: for good food something. I didn't want to cut that out.
Speaker 3: I'll cut that out. But just for the audience who
Speaker 3: only heard the bleep for the first time. I just
Speaker 3: wanted on the record for the first time. Bobo actually
Speaker 3: asked me to remove something instead looking at me for
Speaker 3: removing something. So we've definitely there's been a paradigm shift.
Speaker 2: You know, Melissa has a big Foot tattoo. That's right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: she got it before we were married. She didn't know what.
Speaker 2: She has a lot of tattoos on. She has a sleeve,
Speaker 2: so at least one of her arms is pretty pretty
Speaker 2: full with various tattoos of meaning for her. You know,
Speaker 2: she's got stuff for her dad on there, things reminder
Speaker 2: of her mom and that sort of stuff. And she
Speaker 2: actually got the Harraford cast tattooed on her on her
Speaker 2: arm just kind of as a reminder of her working
Speaker 2: on the Finding Bigfoot show. And then turns out that
Speaker 2: I eventually convinced her to marry me, so it ended
Speaker 2: up being a tattoo about me in a weird, sort
Speaker 2: of accidental way. That's fine, Yeah, yeah, yeah, tattoos are cool.
Speaker 2: I don't have any of myself, you know what the
Speaker 2: tattoo would I would get though, if I could get
Speaker 2: a tattoo, what I could, But I don't want a tattoo.
Speaker 2: I don't care. I don't care. I would get the
Speaker 2: you know, the Patterson Gimlins shot, you know with the
Speaker 2: arms out stretch frame three fifty two, sort of stuff
Speaker 2: with don Nott's face on it. But I'm not sure
Speaker 2: any artists could pull that off.
Speaker 4: And that'd be pretty pretty epic.
Speaker 3: I think we should have listeners submit pictures of tattoos.
Speaker 3: If you have a big Foot tattoo, you should send
Speaker 3: it a Bigfoot and Beyond podcast at gmail dot com
Speaker 3: or send it in via like one of the social
Speaker 3: media outlets, and then we can repost those.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: Well, I got another unproductive question for it.
Speaker 3: Hey guys, my name is Daniel from Colorado, a big
Speaker 3: fan of the podcast and the Old Show.
Speaker 6: I'm just curious if anybody's read the book Devolution by
Speaker 6: Max Brooks.
Speaker 3: That book scared the but Jesus out of me, and
Speaker 3: I just wanted to know what your take.
Speaker 4: On it was. Thanks.
Speaker 2: Have you read that Bobo?
Speaker 4: No, I got it too. I got it like she's
Speaker 4: like two years ago now or something, and I'm going
Speaker 4: to read it, but I just haven't got to it
Speaker 4: like I always I should. I'm gooder than I haven't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also owned the book, but I have not
Speaker 2: read it because honestly, I'm just not a fan of
Speaker 2: bigfoot fiction.
Speaker 4: Those real books I gotta read first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, And Max Brooks was actually in town
Speaker 2: like two years ago. I'm doing a you know, a
Speaker 2: speaking circuit with his book or reader, the Devolution book,
Speaker 2: and I've said, you know, maybe I'll come to the
Speaker 2: museum because I'd like to meet him, and I was
Speaker 2: working every day at the museum at that point. But
Speaker 2: he never did come in, which first of all, shows
Speaker 2: me at what level of Bigfoot fandom he actually is.
Speaker 2: All Right, Hopefully it's just an oversight on his part,
Speaker 2: or perhaps he didn't have time. Hopefully it's something forgivable
Speaker 2: instead of something like, oh, I'm not going to go
Speaker 2: see the Bigfoot mcine, that's stupid. Even though I have
Speaker 2: a Bigfoot book out, I could forgive the other stuff
Speaker 2: because I didn't get crunched for time all the time.
Speaker 4: But still I heard from Bigfoot fiction it's great.
Speaker 2: For Bigfoot fiction, it's great. That's like saying, oh, that
Speaker 2: was a really really nice you know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: that was the best worst meal I've ever had.
Speaker 4: That's what Everhard McDonald's exactly, it was exquisite.
Speaker 3: I read the book. I thought it was great, you know,
Speaker 3: because I'll read Bigfoot fiction occasionally. But I did read
Speaker 3: his book World war Z, which was incredible, and so
Speaker 3: I was pretty eager to read Devolution, and I really
Speaker 3: enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: I did read a Zombie survival guide.
Speaker 3: Oh you got to read World war Z because it's basically,
Speaker 3: you know, a metaphor for a number of things, but
Speaker 3: a lot of like global politics, geopolitics, et cetera. But
Speaker 3: it's extremely well written.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: With Devolution, like I read the actual book, but then
Speaker 3: the audiobook became available and I listened to that on
Speaker 3: a road trip. And so they have different actors for
Speaker 3: the different roles. So it's a really interesting listen too.
Speaker 3: So if you like to listen to books, that one's
Speaker 3: interesting because it's not just a single narrator reading the
Speaker 3: whole thing. It's actually more like an old school radio drama.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just another one of these books that I
Speaker 2: haven't quite gotten to yet. I think I probably will
Speaker 2: read it eventually, despite my distaste for bigfoot fiction. But
Speaker 2: we'll see. I'm not there yet. I'm actually rereading some
Speaker 2: of the old classics at this moment.
Speaker 3: So I think the very best bigfoot fiction book ever
Speaker 3: written is called Cryptid by a guy named Eric Pins,
Speaker 3: and it's fantastic, And so if you like bigfoot fiction,
Speaker 3: I highly recommend that one, folks.
Speaker 2: All Right, Daniel, thanks for that question. I'm not a
Speaker 2: bigfoot fiction kind of guy, but yeah, maybe i'll get
Speaker 2: to it. I'll get to it based on your tacit recommendation.
Speaker 2: In fact, Daniel made me do it, So if it sucks,
Speaker 2: it's your fault.
Speaker 4: But Daniel, maybe do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. All right, let's go to the next question.
Speaker 2: We have any more voicemails or are we under the
Speaker 2: reading stuff.
Speaker 3: There's one last voicemail and then we'll move on to
Speaker 3: the written submissions.
Speaker 7: Hey, Cliff and Bobo, this is Kelly Collin. First of all,
Speaker 7: I'm a huge fan of y'all. I remember watching your
Speaker 7: first episode of Finding Bigfoot. The Georgia episode struck a
Speaker 7: chord with me because I'm also from North Georgia. Shatout
Speaker 7: of math crew, I preppy sure you're a Georgia boy. Yeah,
Speaker 7: y'all are great. I live in western North Carolina. Are
Speaker 7: there any particular squatchy places that I could go camping
Speaker 7: to potentially see some action? Thank y'all, Love y'all.
Speaker 4: Thank you well.
Speaker 3: With Western North Carolina, that's probably my favorite part of
Speaker 3: the country to do field research in. You could throw
Speaker 3: a dart at a map at western North Carolina and
Speaker 3: be a good habitat because that's sort of the heart
Speaker 3: of the temperate rainforest of southern Apalachia. But if you
Speaker 3: wanted a specific area, I would say, go to the
Speaker 3: upper Nanta Halo River Valley specific I'm going to camp
Speaker 3: Browns are up there. Camp so oh, quite a few.
Speaker 3: There's quite a few. So there's everything from like primitive
Speaker 3: camp to you know, single primitive camps to larger group
Speaker 3: camps with pit toilets and water, other amenities and things.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of options there. But you really
Speaker 3: couldn't go wrong anywhere in the Pisca National Forest or
Speaker 3: the Nanta Halo National Forest or any of those places.
Speaker 3: But for me, particularly the upper nanta Halo River Valley
Speaker 3: has been one of the most productive places I've been
Speaker 3: hands down. You are, Oh, it's pretty far because yu
Speaker 3: Aari is almost like the central part of the state.
Speaker 3: You know that's going to be even like further east
Speaker 3: of Charlotte before you get to the Juari's.
Speaker 2: Now, it's the case out west, like on National forest land,
Speaker 2: you cant just camp wherever you want. You don't need permission,
Speaker 2: you don't have to pay anybody as long as you're
Speaker 2: okay with like quote unquote primitive camping. That's the case
Speaker 2: out there on National forest land, too, is it not.
Speaker 3: It really depends on the district. You should look at
Speaker 3: the district rules because some of them will allow dispersed camping,
Speaker 3: some of them won't. You know, the rules vary from
Speaker 3: district to district, And that's true if like on the
Speaker 3: Georgia side of the Chattahoochee National Force, when you're looking
Speaker 3: at certain ranger districts, or if you find yourself within
Speaker 3: a WMA inside of the national forest, there might be
Speaker 3: some different restrictions. So you really got to look and
Speaker 3: see if dispersed camping is permitted or if you need
Speaker 3: to be in a designated camping area, and if those
Speaker 3: camping areas require fees or reservation something like that. So
Speaker 3: it's always worth researching first. Wow, that's just unbelievable to me.
Speaker 3: I can't even imagine camping in a campground at this moment.
Speaker 3: That's unfathomable to me. Well, some areas are always under
Speaker 3: some sort of like protection, you know. I know for
Speaker 3: a while there were places that we're seeing an influx
Speaker 3: of invasive insects and a lot of that was coming
Speaker 3: in from firewood being brought from outside of the region,
Speaker 3: and so they would shut some of those places off
Speaker 3: to dispersed camping because they don't want to just people
Speaker 3: showing up and bringing in wood from wherever, and then
Speaker 3: they would reopen dispersed camping or primitive camping. So those
Speaker 3: things are always in flux and changing depending on whatever
Speaker 3: like the resource needs are at that given time, and
Speaker 3: so it's not always the case. And again I've just
Speaker 3: seen a lot of variants from district to district, so
Speaker 3: definitely research it first.
Speaker 2: Wow, the East is really different, man, Well it's not
Speaker 2: that different.
Speaker 4: I mean the guy down in those padres down there
Speaker 4: like a big shirt, he's how that place shut for
Speaker 4: like four and a half years.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I don't go to Big Surrey either.
Speaker 2: It's too many people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean like they closed down, like like
Speaker 4: you came to get into like half the mountain areas
Speaker 4: because they say it's too dry for like even after
Speaker 4: it rained a bunch they said there was Oh now
Speaker 4: it's too unstable. There's been too much water with uh
Speaker 4: in Burnscar and the guy that runs a whether just
Speaker 4: keeps it hut shut.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Makes me very thankful I live where I live,
Speaker 2: because it's unfathomable to me to even camp within a
Speaker 2: half mile of somebody, let alone twenty feet thirty feet
Speaker 2: like in a campground. The guy, I'd make it a
Speaker 2: point when I go camping if I go to the
Speaker 2: bog or somewhere, you know, I drive around to make
Speaker 2: sure nobody else is there. And if there is somebody
Speaker 2: there and you've been to the bog, I mean it's
Speaker 2: probably three quarters of a mile or mile or something
Speaker 2: like that across. If there's somebody there, I leave. I
Speaker 2: just can't even imagine camping so close to people. I
Speaker 2: guess I'm spoiled the west. There's a lot of room
Speaker 2: out here, I guess so.
Speaker 4: But I guess.
Speaker 2: Back to Kelly's question, I mean, Matt Pruten knows the
Speaker 2: area better than anybody. I just listened to him. But
Speaker 2: I wouldn't camp that. My recommendation is don't camp where
Speaker 2: other people are.
Speaker 3: And obviously, the Upper Nancy Halo River Valley is one
Speaker 3: of the areas I'm willing to disclose my favorite spots
Speaker 3: I'm not going to talk about on a big podcast,
Speaker 3: but that is a really good area, and I've had
Speaker 3: interesting experiences almost every single time i've been there, and
Speaker 3: I've been there much less than I've been to many
Speaker 3: other places, and so you know, it'd be different if
Speaker 3: if I could say that about North Georgia. But the
Speaker 3: reality is I'm in North Georgia often a whole lot,
Speaker 3: and things don't always happen there versus like the small,
Speaker 3: smaller number of times that I've been to the Upper
Speaker 3: Nanta Halo River Valley going back to two thousand and
Speaker 3: six for specifically for field reason to have that many
Speaker 3: interesting things happen, It's like, Wow, that's a pretty active area.
Speaker 3: So I'm willing to share that one with folks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess the advice I would offer is look
Speaker 2: at the map where is close to you and find
Speaker 2: a cluster of reports and go there. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: the best advice for any bigfooter doing anything looking for
Speaker 2: prints or going out camping or whatever. Just find a
Speaker 2: spot that's close and start going there often. And you know,
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with day trips either.
Speaker 4: I know that.
Speaker 2: The know all the TV shows and stuff ours included
Speaker 2: make it seem like you have to do it at night.
Speaker 2: You do not have to do it at night. You
Speaker 2: can't see one during the day at night. By definition,
Speaker 2: Go during the day, go for a full day, wake
Speaker 2: up at eight in the morning, come back at date
Speaker 2: at night, that sort of stuff. Do that as well.
Speaker 2: Just go go outside, is my advice. Go outside and
Speaker 2: enjoy it. Man.
Speaker 3: It's so funny because it's such an active area. That
Speaker 3: for a little plug for our good friends and small
Speaker 3: town monsters and Seth Breedlove I did a film with
Speaker 3: them earlier. Hear that we filmed in April that just
Speaker 3: became available as of today on Amazon called On the
Speaker 3: Trail of Bigfoot the Ancients, and I told this story
Speaker 3: in that film. But it's funny that my dad was
Speaker 3: the local small town doctor where he was in North Georgia,
Speaker 3: and one of his longtime patients came in and this
Speaker 3: guy had no idea you know who I was or
Speaker 3: what I did, but he knew that my dad was
Speaker 3: an avid hunter and fisherman. This is just a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago before my dad retired, and he said, Hey,
Speaker 3: can I tell you something that I've never told anyone.
Speaker 3: I just want to know what you think about it.
Speaker 3: My dad was like, yeah, sure, and he said he
Speaker 3: told him about this encounter that he had while he
Speaker 3: was coon hunting, and you know, for all intents and purposes,
Speaker 3: it's a sasquatch encounter. And they didn't have a clear visual.
Speaker 3: They could see the silhouette of it, this big, giant
Speaker 3: man shape thing, but a lot of like vocalizations and
Speaker 3: intimidation displays. And he was like, I've never really told anyone,
Speaker 3: and I want to know what you think. My dad
Speaker 3: was like, well, you know what my son does you
Speaker 3: And guy had no idea, and so he gave my number,
Speaker 3: said this is who you should talk to about it.
Speaker 3: And it was happened in the seventies and it was
Speaker 3: in the upper Nantahala River Valley, right in the same
Speaker 3: spot where I like to go. So I thought, well,
Speaker 3: that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: You know, you did mention small town monsters and there
Speaker 2: they are all good friends of ours, and they treat
Speaker 2: us really nicely, and there's fun, fun people in general,
Speaker 2: every single one of them. But I would want to
Speaker 2: point out that they just released something where we took
Speaker 2: We took Alex Pettakoff out Bigfoot and at one of
Speaker 2: our locations we found some prints and all that sort
Speaker 2: of stuff, and he made an hour long documentary out
Speaker 2: of it. I know he and Nico went out and
Speaker 2: then I think Dave and I went took him out
Speaker 2: into a different spot and and all that stuff was
Speaker 2: just released this past Sunday, I guess, or about a
Speaker 2: week ago when when this podcast will be released. It
Speaker 2: it's called it's one of those Bigfoot Beyond the Trail
Speaker 2: things that they do tracking the Sasquatch of Mount Hood
Speaker 2: is what it's called. And so it's on the small
Speaker 2: town Monsters page on YouTube for free, So go check
Speaker 2: it out. Go check it out and give some support
Speaker 2: to these guys. They're doing good work.
Speaker 3: I will put the link to that in the show notes.
Speaker 2: Oh thanks man, Thank you, Kelly. Yeah, thanks Kelly. That
Speaker 2: appreciate the question. And I wish I had Matt prod
Speaker 2: has a good answer, So it's always good to have
Speaker 2: a good answer for you instead of what we have
Speaker 2: to offer sometimes. So because North Carolina, I've only been there,
Speaker 2: watched a couple of times, you know, stay tuned for
Speaker 2: more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be
Speaker 2: right back after these messages. So well, yeah, let's go
Speaker 2: one of the written questions in but what you want
Speaker 2: to take? The first one?
Speaker 4: This message from sim Hammis I cliped Bubbo and Matt.
Speaker 4: I just came across your podcast this pot summer and
Speaker 4: it's been a great addition to my podcast listening. Many
Speaker 4: moons ago, I briefly met y'all at the final Bigfoot
Speaker 4: town hall in Mississippi. I tended to listen to counters.
Speaker 4: I'm a professional historian, and I found them the most
Speaker 4: interesting part of the show and still like reading or
Speaker 4: listening about them. I really wondered how you read it
Speaker 4: out the wild accounts to focus on the serious account
Speaker 4: encounters based when the crowd bloft that was a good clue.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, if we're talking about finding Bigfoot on the
Speaker 2: show specifically, a lot of those witnesses already vetted, which
Speaker 2: is really nice. I don't know how all these other
Speaker 2: TV shows do it, or even if they do it. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I don't watch them. I don't care all that sort
Speaker 2: of stuff. But I know that we had a huge
Speaker 2: advantage over any other show and any other sort of
Speaker 2: thing because we had Matt Moneymaker first of all, on
Speaker 2: the show, and he runs the BFRO, and the BFRO
Speaker 2: I think when we were doing the show, had something
Speaker 2: like seventy five thousand rob reports and you know, from
Speaker 2: all over the country and stuff. And Matt also has
Speaker 2: a network of investigators working in every corner of this
Speaker 2: of the country. Basically, so whenever if we knew we're
Speaker 2: going to say Mississippi, like where you're from, Tim or
Speaker 2: where you attended the town Hollies, if we're going to Mississippi,
Speaker 2: Matt would call the best investigators he had in Mississippi
Speaker 2: and said, hey, we're coming, and we're going to be
Speaker 2: there in March or whenever. What's the best spot, Where
Speaker 2: should we go? Where can you recommend what's been going on?
Speaker 2: That kind of stuff. So we had the best the
Speaker 2: best line of incoming fresh information. Plus in some cases,
Speaker 2: you know, fifty years of historical sighting reports. Maybe not
Speaker 2: fifty years in Mississippi because it's a little scant in Mississippi.
Speaker 2: Not the Bigfoots aren't there, it's just that there aren't
Speaker 2: a lot of investigators and historians and stuff working on
Speaker 2: the Bigfoot thing in Mississippi, at least or weren't when
Speaker 2: we were there. So we had we had a leg
Speaker 2: up on any other show that could possibly do this
Speaker 2: stuff because we had Matt on board. And even at
Speaker 2: that time, I had something like twelve or fifteen hundred
Speaker 2: sidings in my database, so and I know, and Bobo
Speaker 2: is just a social guy and he knows people all
Speaker 2: over the country, so we had a huge advantage. And
Speaker 2: so because of that advantage, a lot of times, especially
Speaker 2: with the BFRO stuff, some of these witnesses that already
Speaker 2: been vetted by the investigators, you know, and no investigators
Speaker 2: affect a course, and sometimes weirdos or hoaxers or stuff
Speaker 2: probably did slip through, but for the most part, we
Speaker 2: already kind of knew that most of these people were
Speaker 2: good witnesses. Now, of course, with the town hall meetings,
Speaker 2: that kind of a little hard to control because the
Speaker 2: town hall meetings. Yeah, sure, we had like two or
Speaker 2: three or usually about three witnesses that we knew were
Speaker 2: going to be there, that were hand picked and vetted.
Speaker 2: We knew these people were going to be there because
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, we have a TV
Speaker 2: show to make, we have to do something right, we
Speaker 2: have to film ole we're there. So we would make
Speaker 2: sure we had three people, three good witnesses in the
Speaker 2: audience that we could make a show with. But we
Speaker 2: never knew who was going to show up. And if
Speaker 2: some other witness came in and maybe with a photograph
Speaker 2: or a cast even or just an amazing story or
Speaker 2: something happened just a few days before, the production would
Speaker 2: bend over backwards to let us go do them. If
Speaker 2: such a witness came in, like if we said, oh man,
Speaker 2: that's a witness we're really interested in. That's the cool one,
Speaker 2: that's what we really want to do, the production would
Speaker 2: rearrange our schedule for the entire week and upsetting everything
Speaker 2: basically just to allow us to go do real Bigfoot
Speaker 2: investigations in a way that we wanted to.
Speaker 4: We crushed a lot of hopes and dreams. Like the
Speaker 4: she was like they told them for a week, you're
Speaker 4: gonna be gonna be on the show, that we'd go
Speaker 4: to town hall and like someone have a better survey,
Speaker 4: like smart. They'd be like just like really, A lot
Speaker 4: of times they'd be pretty upset. They're like, well, you
Speaker 4: ever came up to my place, Like, hey, this just
Speaker 4: popped up us up from like four days ago. Sorry,
Speaker 4: we got to go different spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we We probably heard a lot of feelings,
Speaker 2: and of course production, even on a show like ours,
Speaker 2: wasn't always as kind as they could have been to
Speaker 2: the witnesses and whatever else, you know, and we apologize
Speaker 2: for any bad feelings, but luckily we're completely unaware of it,
Speaker 2: so I didn't, you know, I couldn't feel bad because
Speaker 2: I didn't know that we were crushing people's dreams. But
Speaker 2: but then again, that's that's what you get for real show.
Speaker 2: You know, at the end of the day, that's a
Speaker 2: real show. That that's one of the punches you have
Speaker 2: to take. If you really want a real bigfoot show,
Speaker 2: is that something came up three days ago. Well, of
Speaker 2: course we're gonna go do that. Of course we're going
Speaker 2: to go do that. And in many cases, if not
Speaker 2: most cases, I'd like to say all, but I probably
Speaker 2: isn't accurate. So I'm gonna say most cases they would
Speaker 2: let us if something happened three or four days ago,
Speaker 2: they would let us do a night investigation there too.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of how we vetted or we did
Speaker 2: out all the wild accounts and stuff, is that we
Speaker 2: in many cases we knew that we had some good,
Speaker 2: solid witnesses coming because Matt has a good, solid investigator
Speaker 2: in the area who's already looked into these things and
Speaker 2: has kind of set us up for success. But you know,
Speaker 2: if somebody came in and they had a great story,
Speaker 2: we might go with them, and then then we're just
Speaker 2: kind of relying on our own instincts in some ways.
Speaker 2: But we also wouldn't have chosen if they were not.
Speaker 4: You know, and speak for yourself, Cliff, I'm not wanting
Speaker 4: to crutch dreams and hopes.
Speaker 2: Well, I know I do speak for myself always, By
Speaker 2: the way, everything I say is my opinion, and even
Speaker 2: I don't agree with my own opinion sometimes. All right,
Speaker 2: so Tim, there's an answer for you. I hope it
Speaker 2: satisfies your curiosity. I hope you got what you want
Speaker 2: out of that one, and thank you very much for
Speaker 2: listening and also submitting the question. Let's go to the
Speaker 2: next written question, please, and this one's mine, I believe.
Speaker 2: So this comes from Matthew Herring Love the podcast. Always
Speaker 2: look forward to the new episodes. If and when the
Speaker 2: discovery of sasquatch is confirmed, where do you think the
Speaker 2: most likely area this will come from? No, sir, Well,
Speaker 2: North Carolina State University is what I think at this moment. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe not from the woods of North Carolina, but I
Speaker 2: think from the academics in North Carolina. I've been, you know,
Speaker 2: I've talked to Darby fairly fairly frequently, and there's some
Speaker 2: interesting things going on, nothing for sure or whatever, And
Speaker 2: of course he's really tight lift about it, so I
Speaker 2: can say whatever I want because I know nothing about it,
Speaker 2: but it sounds like there's some really interesting things and.
Speaker 4: The evidence's the stab will coming.
Speaker 2: From well, who knows, who knows? Who cares? Is my thought?
Speaker 2: Who cares? I'm an equal opportunity encourager North America. North America. Well, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: North America. My prediction me too, Yeah. I mean I
Speaker 2: know people who've sent samples in. I know fair number
Speaker 2: of people who sent samples in, and I think any
Speaker 2: any one of these, if you know, if the roll
Speaker 2: of natural twenty man something, you could get it, you could,
Speaker 2: we could get it. So we'll see, we'll see. But
Speaker 2: it is such a long shot to begin with without
Speaker 2: a really good sample like hair or tissue or something
Speaker 2: like that, and those are rare. And I mean I'm
Speaker 2: sitting on some I literally right now, I have an
Speaker 2: envelope full of weird hair that I found on broken
Speaker 2: branches out there that I got to send in. So
Speaker 2: who knows, who knows. I know people who have submitted
Speaker 2: stuff from Kentucky. I know people who submitted things from
Speaker 2: Oregon and Washington. So anything's on the table at this moment.
Speaker 2: Because sunsquatches irvy art, and what really takes more than
Speaker 2: a sasquatch is a dedicated field researcher who's willing to
Speaker 2: go put the miles under his or her boots and
Speaker 2: to treat the samples appropriately and to go the extra
Speaker 2: mile and send them in. But you know what I
Speaker 2: would prefer, which is not what Matthew asked, but I'm
Speaker 2: going to say it anyway. I have been quietly and
Speaker 2: not so quietly encouraging Michael Freeman to send in one
Speaker 2: of his father's hair. His father had collected a few
Speaker 2: hairs out in the Blue Mountains, you know, Paul Freeman stuff.
Speaker 2: And I think that Michael still has a hand like
Speaker 2: a little bit of this hair, and as say, can Michael.
Speaker 4: Send that in?
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be amazing? Just a final up yours to
Speaker 2: the Bigfoot community. If Paul Freeman ended up proving sasquatches
Speaker 2: were real.
Speaker 4: Not the Bigfoot community, certain members of the Bigfoot community.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, certain members of course, Oh you know. I
Speaker 2: mean I wouldn't be offended of Paul Freeman, but the
Speaker 2: people who would be, how it just be so beautiful
Speaker 2: and ironic and class. It was just a big up
Speaker 2: yours from Paul Freeman. Beyond the grave. We'll see. We'll see.
Speaker 2: Michael's are one of my best friends. So I'm going
Speaker 2: to continue pushing him to do that. But I can
Speaker 2: also understand his reluctance as well.
Speaker 4: So I should just put it in there. If it
Speaker 4: comes through, then yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's his dad's stuff, and you know, his dad's
Speaker 2: gone and maybe wants to hold onto a little bit.
Speaker 4: Of it, you know.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 4: But if it's just reindeer hair or whatever, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, it's they don't have those in the blues.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, whatever it is, it would be good
Speaker 4: to know, I mean, because if it is it, that'd
Speaker 4: be awesome. Yeah, that's like two. I don't want to
Speaker 4: look through a thermal image roup the widgit because they
Speaker 4: want to imagine what they're seeing.
Speaker 2: Right exactly. Oh yeah, there's a there's an epidemic in
Speaker 2: the Bigfoot community where I don't collect evidence because that's
Speaker 2: not my thing. In other words, to say it differently,
Speaker 2: I don't collect evidence because I would rather have a
Speaker 2: story that can't be disproved. Yeah, as long as you
Speaker 2: don't share your evidence, then whatever you say is is
Speaker 2: true to you. But if you share your evidence that
Speaker 2: somebody like somebody shoots it down, then well then you
Speaker 2: then you then you have a moral conundrum on your hand.
Speaker 2: Do I continue purporting that this is a sasquatch or
Speaker 2: do I just you know, say what's actually true. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and there are many people on both sides of that
Speaker 2: fence in the bigfoot community as far as I can tell,
Speaker 2: So we'll see. But anyway, yes, where where's going to
Speaker 2: come from? North America is the best answer to that one,
Speaker 2: But it could be anywhere. It could be anywhere it'd be.
Speaker 2: How crazy would it be if it came from I
Speaker 2: don't know, like Maryland or some or some completely unsquatchy
Speaker 2: state that has a couple of big foots in it,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that'll that will help people take it more seriously,
Speaker 4: write off the bat like some place they never like
Speaker 4: Rhode Island. We got forth from samples that turn out
Speaker 4: to be real from Rhode Island. People like what that
Speaker 4: ma could be more than incredulous?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, But I do know that the folks
Speaker 2: at North Carolina State University are going way above and
Speaker 2: beyond I think, which is fantastic and all their efforts,
Speaker 2: and also they're there there, their protocols, their protocols are
Speaker 2: like they're being really really conservative with all of this.
Speaker 2: So when if if they do, or in my opinion,
Speaker 2: when they do, because I'm an optimist, you know, to
Speaker 2: a point in ivit. But if and when they do
Speaker 2: get the hit, it's gonna be very very hard to
Speaker 2: question them. And so they've already thought ahead in this
Speaker 2: regard and kudos to them. And again, everybody, man, if
Speaker 2: you're sitting on a sample and you're kind of wondering
Speaker 2: what it is, by all means, send it in, Matt.
Speaker 2: Can we put that link in the show notes as well,
Speaker 2: just in case somebody is tuning in for the first
Speaker 2: time and they have a big old wat of Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: Airror done?
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Thank you so much. Yeah, if
Speaker 2: you have a sample of anything and you think it's big,
Speaker 2: but my god, send it in. Why would you hold it?
Speaker 2: Why would you sit on it? There's no reason to
Speaker 2: do so. Yeah, let's get this thing done, man, so
Speaker 2: we can start learning about them a little bit more.
Speaker 2: All right, next question, Bobs, you want to take?
Speaker 4: Then we got Lowell Wilkinson, Hey, Cliff, and Bobo. I
Speaker 4: was wondering when were you, guys, when when you got
Speaker 4: to another episode when you guys watch Finding Bigfoot. Those
Speaker 4: are really entertaining and interesting to listen to. They even
Speaker 4: keep it squatchy. I hated doing those. I don't know
Speaker 4: I don't think they worked that great.
Speaker 3: Someone was texting me about that the other day, because
Speaker 3: those were like some of the most divisive episodes. I
Speaker 3: thought it was a really fun challenge because you know,
Speaker 3: we would record the whole thing in real time and
Speaker 3: it had to be released in real time. Well, the
Speaker 3: challenge was that I had to take the real time
Speaker 3: version and then edit it into ones for commuters, for
Speaker 3: people who couldn't watch along, and so they would just
Speaker 3: get all the facts, like, oh, yeah, when we filmed
Speaker 3: the scene where X, Y and Z happens, here's a
Speaker 3: behind the scenes story of how that came about, and
Speaker 3: you know what happened off camera. And so I enjoyed that.
Speaker 3: But they were so divisive because we would get tons
Speaker 3: of emails and people like I absolutely love these, like
Speaker 3: Lowell here, and then emails from people that are like,
Speaker 3: I absolutely hate these. There were no middle ground. So
Speaker 3: no other episodes or sorts of guests or formats have
Speaker 3: been that divisive. So we stopped doing it. But I
Speaker 3: thought it was a lot of fun, and I liked
Speaker 3: doing the two versions, one that people could watch along
Speaker 3: and one just for the commuters or the listeners. But
Speaker 3: I don't know if we'll bring those back. My original
Speaker 3: plan if you guys remember when I piss it is,
Speaker 3: I thought, man, wouldn't it be funny to do I
Speaker 3: watch along to some bad Bigfoot b movie and it
Speaker 3: would be like a comedy commentary like Mystery Science Theater
Speaker 3: three thousand or Riff Tracks or something. And then it
Speaker 3: was you guys said like, well, why don't we do
Speaker 3: that with finding Bigfoot episodes because then there'll be more insight.
Speaker 3: And so I thought it was super fun, but not
Speaker 3: all of the audience did.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: There must be something in the air, perhaps the water,
Speaker 2: because just a one day ago on Twitter, this dude
Speaker 2: named Blake Logan on Twitter he reached out to all
Speaker 2: three of us big fold be on podcasts and then
Speaker 2: Bobo and I says, putting in my official requests for
Speaker 2: finding Bigfoot watch alongs on the podcast.
Speaker 3: We get those all the time. On Man, there was
Speaker 3: a comment like that on Instagram just the other day.
Speaker 3: Someone's like, Hey, are you guys going to do the
Speaker 3: watch along commentaries ever again? And so it's really divisive,
Speaker 3: like again no middle ground. People either really really love
Speaker 3: them or people are like, God, I hate these, I
Speaker 3: can't I don't know why you do these, and it
Speaker 3: was really pretty fifty to fifty, and so you know,
Speaker 3: maybe we could ask the patrons and if they wanted
Speaker 3: something like that, we could do it just on the
Speaker 3: member side, and in that way we have more of
Speaker 3: the audience that's in support, you know, if we were
Speaker 3: to poll or something like that. But they were fun
Speaker 3: to make. Now that they're all behind a different paywall,
Speaker 3: like I guess there's still Discovery Plus, but they're also
Speaker 3: on Max. Nonetheless, they're all behind a paywall, so you'd
Speaker 3: have to subscribe somewhere. So it would require listeners to
Speaker 3: have a different service, or at least a pre existing
Speaker 3: service that they're paying for in order to watch along,
Speaker 3: and that makes it a little difficult versus if you know,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of bad, bigfoot beat movies that are
Speaker 3: just free on YouTube, and so those, you know, you
Speaker 3: could do because anybody could watch along. But with these,
Speaker 3: it's like a smaller audience because of the paywall and
Speaker 3: then of the existing audience that we have. I said
Speaker 3: half of.
Speaker 8: Them didn't like it for some reason, and I guess
Speaker 8: half the hosts didn't like it, you know, Ruttand yeah,
Speaker 8: I don't care, I do I think Bobo enjoyed doing it.
Speaker 2: Some people love to hate as well.
Speaker 3: I have to go back and listen to him because
Speaker 3: I thought you had fun doing those.
Speaker 2: Now I I'd love to hate too, Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2: Like when when something really irks me, I love to
Speaker 2: complain and gripe about it and stuff I really do.
Speaker 2: So that's not It's not a slam on you, bobs, but.
Speaker 4: Hold my tongue.
Speaker 2: Oh I hope you're wearing gloves.
Speaker 4: I did it with a flyers.
Speaker 2: Flyers.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 2: Bobo will be right back after these messages. Okay, let's
Speaker 2: set up the next question here. Then this one comes
Speaker 2: from Willard Glenn Atkinson. It seems that trail cameras almost
Speaker 2: never collect bigfoot activity, yet almost all researchers are using them.
Speaker 2: Aren't they just a waste of time?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's it's like it seems like hardly
Speaker 2: anybody ever gets pictures on their cell phone of bigfoots,
Speaker 2: Like why bother using them? Because you might? And I
Speaker 2: know for me in my use of trail cameras, I
Speaker 2: also am interested in what animals are there like one
Speaker 2: of the questions that came up recently is are bears
Speaker 2: and sasquatches, you know, mutually exclusive so to speak, Like,
Speaker 2: I know that some people think bears are an indicator
Speaker 2: species of the presence of sasquatches because they're the other
Speaker 2: big omnivore here in North America. But a researcher friend
Speaker 2: of mine says that, you know what, Cliff was interesting.
Speaker 2: I find actually in my areas, I'm finding more big
Speaker 2: foot footprints than bear footprints, which is, you know, a
Speaker 2: pretty crazy thing to be claiming, but it's true. I've
Speaker 2: been out to his area, it's true. And that made
Speaker 2: me start wondering, like I wonder when the bigfoots are
Speaker 2: in the area, if the bears leave the area, Like
Speaker 2: if the sasquatches the presence of bigfoots in the area
Speaker 2: are just pushing the bears out, and therefore, could the
Speaker 2: opposite be true, Like where there's a lot of bears
Speaker 2: in an area, would be that is that an indicator
Speaker 2: that bigfoots would not be in that area at that time.
Speaker 2: So I think that that is a really interesting use
Speaker 2: of trail cameras to try to note what animals are
Speaker 2: present when the bigfoots are there or not. And of
Speaker 2: course whether you get a picture of a bigfoot or not,
Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter. But there might be footprints around,
Speaker 2: or you might get vocalizations or some other indicator of
Speaker 2: their presence. And also people do get pictures of bigfoots
Speaker 2: on trail cameras, they really do. So if you don't
Speaker 2: have them out, if you don't deploy your trail camera,
Speaker 2: that is one hundred percent perfect way of making sure
Speaker 2: you never will get a bigfoot on trail camera. What
Speaker 2: is you know, one of the basketball guys. You miss
Speaker 2: one hundred percent of the shots you don't take, you know,
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan or whoever said that, I don't know. You
Speaker 2: miss one hundred percent of the shots that you don't take. Well,
Speaker 2: you miss one hundred percent of the bigfoot pictures that
Speaker 2: you that you when you don't deploy a trail camera.
Speaker 4: I think they avoid them for sure. I think the
Speaker 4: people are putting in those Faraday wraps now, I think
Speaker 4: that could help a lot.
Speaker 2: But you've seen pictures of trail came trail camera bigfoots,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, And every trail camera picture of a
Speaker 2: sasquatch that I have personally seen, that I think is real.
Speaker 2: It's always on the cheap cameras. It's always on one
Speaker 2: hundred dollars jobbers, you know, like these hundred dollar moultries
Speaker 2: and stuff always, And it's certainly a numbers game because
Speaker 2: there are just so many more of those out than
Speaker 2: there are the really high end ones and all that
Speaker 2: other stuff. Well high end was that like one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty buck raconics and stuff.
Speaker 4: Other branches has your hot that are great that you
Speaker 4: go straight to your phone for like one hundred and
Speaker 4: fifty bucks and you can program in what human size
Speaker 4: or like human shape, like bipedal, you can you can
Speaker 4: filter out. I don't know if you want to filter
Speaker 4: flagger pads because but you can set up like we'll
Speaker 4: set up for up. It will set up. I don't
Speaker 4: care about why. I's just set up for humans. They
Speaker 4: have like a human setting that could pick up a sasquash.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that would be true, But I would
Speaker 2: want to know what everything is out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we too, looks like there's moths flying by setting
Speaker 4: it off five hundred times a minute.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's true. Or yeah, or wind triggers. But then
Speaker 2: again I got into wind triggers too, so I can
Speaker 2: reset the camera, right. But no, I don't think trail
Speaker 2: cameras are a waste of time. I think that they're
Speaker 2: a really interesting tool that can give you a lot
Speaker 2: of contextual information at the very least, the very least,
Speaker 2: and you know, here's here's something for people to try.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think I've said this before. Lots and
Speaker 2: lots and lots and lots of big Footers claim that
Speaker 2: SaaS squatches come into their camp after they go to
Speaker 2: bed and wander around and touch things and whatever else, right,
Speaker 2: lots of them. It's just one of these self perpetuating myths,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, and myths doesn't necessarily mean it's not true,
Speaker 2: by the way, Just like one of these stories you
Speaker 2: know that gets perpetuated in the Bigfoot community. Well, guess what.
Speaker 2: You could put a camera in the middle of your table,
Speaker 2: on your picnic table or whatever you have out there,
Speaker 2: or on your vehicle, amongst other human like things that
Speaker 2: probably wouldn't turn a sasquatch off at all because they're
Speaker 2: coming into look at human like things. So that's a
Speaker 2: great way to deploy trail cameras, and it's also a
Speaker 2: great way to test this hypothesis, which is all it
Speaker 2: really is at this moment, that bigfoots come into the
Speaker 2: camp after you're in the tent and play with your stuff.
Speaker 2: You know that's on the table because if you have
Speaker 2: a camera out, you will catch you a bigfoot doing
Speaker 2: that at some point, or it could just be raccoons
Speaker 2: that you're misinterpreting as bigfoots. And I think that's an
Speaker 2: important thing. Everybody should be questioning these truths that we
Speaker 2: hear in the bigfoot community without any evidence to support them.
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with being skeptical about what everybody else
Speaker 2: thinks is real, right, And that's one of the things
Speaker 2: that I've been testing, is like when I go camping
Speaker 2: and if I have a couple of trail cameras with me,
Speaker 2: and I usually do, I put them on human things
Speaker 2: inside a camp and looking outwards. And the worst thing
Speaker 2: that has happened so far is I get a picture
Speaker 2: of me peen in the middle of the night that
Speaker 2: I just erase it.
Speaker 4: Here's the last question the sorm Sean falk Hey, Cliff,
Speaker 4: and Bobo. With my encounter, I remember to supply two things,
Speaker 4: what the creature looked like and what it smelled like
Speaker 4: as a deer hunter. I tried to mask my scent
Speaker 4: to avoid being detected. Everyone tried to mock up a
Speaker 4: sasquat scent based on the area of the setting and
Speaker 4: use that to become possibly more approachable, keep it squatchy.
Speaker 4: So I used to jump into the old pull the
Speaker 4: lid up, you know, the lid, and jump down in
Speaker 4: the twilet seat and jump down inside the port of
Speaker 4: potty and pay down there and get good and reeking
Speaker 4: come out. But it didn't really work too good.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that was before I started camping with you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought it was going to work like a charm,
Speaker 4: but I never did that. But how could you? How
Speaker 4: could you? I mean, it'd be so hard to it'so
Speaker 4: like a squatch or osby watering so bad, Like I
Speaker 4: don't know if you even could, Like, how did you
Speaker 4: mimic that?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. Bambineck did. Bambeneck did a pretty
Speaker 2: decent job with his sasquatch pheromone chips from osmic research.
Speaker 2: But the sasquatches that I have smelled that I'm confident
Speaker 2: we're sasquatches. There's a couple other things that may or
Speaker 2: may not have been. The three that I have smelled
Speaker 2: are pretty close, you know, about seventy five percent similar
Speaker 2: to Bambeneck's chips and everything. So I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't know. Yeah, so people have tried it, and whether
Speaker 2: or not it works is kind of up for grabs.
Speaker 2: I know that they deployed one of those chips and
Speaker 2: on the Skukum Cast expedition and they got the scuffem cast,
Speaker 2: so I don't know if that played a part in
Speaker 2: it or not. But some people have tried that sort
Speaker 2: of thing, and I used to try it, but then
Speaker 2: it just makes me just is my car stink? You know,
Speaker 2: Like those chips are pretty nasty. But other than that,
Speaker 2: I don't know. But I don't think sasquatches are super
Speaker 2: you know, scent oriented anyway. Being being apes as they
Speaker 2: are just like us, you know, they're they're they're very visual,
Speaker 2: I believe, but also a sasquatches, I think they're very
Speaker 2: auditory as well. I think that a lot of what
Speaker 2: they do is based on their hearing. Hearing in sight
Speaker 2: are the two things that I think that they clew
Speaker 2: into most probably not smell so much, although although now
Speaker 2: that i'm saying it out loud and thinking about it.
Speaker 2: Chris Minniere a good friend of ours. He was on
Speaker 2: the Finding Bigfoot show. He was a great investigator down
Speaker 2: in the Eugene area kind of. He helped me with
Speaker 2: the Mattress prints. He helped me with the London tracks.
Speaker 2: He's a great guy, super fun. The night he saw
Speaker 2: his sasquatch, he took a bandana I believe, or you know,
Speaker 2: some towel anyway, but like a bandana and soaked it
Speaker 2: in What is that really? Really inexpensive? After shape?
Speaker 3: Is it a aqua velva?
Speaker 2: Aqua velva? There we go, that's what I Yeah, he
Speaker 2: soaked it in aqua velva and just hung it up
Speaker 2: in a tree and let the wind carry the scent.
Speaker 2: And apparently that was enough to bring in a sasquatch.
Speaker 2: So that's not a sasquatch smell. I'm not saying bigfoot
Speaker 2: smell like aquavelva. But I think that if you put
Speaker 2: an interesting scent out there, that are interesting stimuli, any
Speaker 2: you know, sensory organ out there, the sasquatch might just
Speaker 2: come in and check it out, like won, what is that?
Speaker 2: Because they are smart, you know, they're pretty smart. Animals
Speaker 2: and when they come in, you know they're going to
Speaker 2: be curious about stuff. So but then against so we'll
Speaker 2: bears by the way. So heads up on that.
Speaker 4: Did you see the people that came out recently about
Speaker 4: how much better humans to smell than we thought? Like that,
Speaker 4: there's like they're not thirty aland times better, smaller like
Speaker 4: they don't have we have way more like we have
Speaker 4: way more in common sense receptors that we thought. It's
Speaker 4: just their brain processes, like eighty times better, like the
Speaker 4: way their brain works.
Speaker 2: No, send that to me, I'd be interested in that.
Speaker 4: I gotta find it again. It was you know, it
Speaker 4: was about humans, humans and other primates. We just overload
Speaker 4: our braind with other stuff. But our sense of smell
Speaker 4: is actually pretty pretty good, actually better than we thought.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that the other ape species have basically
Speaker 2: the same you know, sense of smell we do, but
Speaker 2: we've domesticated ourselves and kind of dulled our senses in
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, so that plays into it well
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