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please go to Dogmanencounters dot com forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's

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guest is a Dogman researcher with quite a few interesting credentials.

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Number one, he's written two Dogmas specific books, two interesting

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books that I'm sure you're going to want to read.

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In the description for tonight's show, of course, I'm going

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to post links to those on Amazon for you. But

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also not only that, he's a writer and producer for

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the Small Town Monsters films that I'm sure you've most

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likely seen on YouTube and in other places as well,

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where they have three videos that are dedicated to Dogman.

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From what I understand, well, I can't do this man

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any justice, so without any further ado, let's bring him

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in here now. Tonight's guest is Aaron DS. Aaron, Welcome to.

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Speaker 2: The show, mister Kundiff. How are you? Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Sir, I'm doing better than I deserve. How about yourself?

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Speaker 2: About the same? About the same. That's a good description.

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I like that.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's great having you obviously really appreciate you being here. Aaron,

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please do me a favor and give us a brief

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bio in yourself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. My name is Aaron Deese. I'm a

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San Antonio based author and researcher. I'm also a producer

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and a writer for Small Town Monsters. And if folks

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aren't familiar with STM, we're a documentary film company. We

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just celebrated our tenth anniversary. We're celebrating it right now.

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And we make films about dog Man, UFOs, Bigfoot, all

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that fun stuff. And yeah, I have two books centric

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to the dog Man phenomena that are out there and

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done a little bit of traveling, done quite a bit

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of interviewing, and put in a few miles researching this stuff.

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So it's something I'm very passionate about. I'm excited to

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excited to get into it with you.

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Speaker 1: You must be passionate about it, all the work you've

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put into it. Yeah, I can't imagine trying to do

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all that work if you're.

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Speaker 2: Not right something you're not interested in, Man, that'd be

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a bummer.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, sure would be. And you touched on this

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just a moment ago, just like I did in the

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opening words. You've mentioned how you wrote two dog me

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on specific books. Please tell them, Please tell us about them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure. So the first was The Texas dog Man

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Triangle that was released in twenty twenty three, twenty twenty three,

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and that book is about exactly what it sounds like.

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It's about dog man sidings in the state of Texas. Oh,

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there's Heather Mosure. Heather Mosure is the editor at Small

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I'm telling you about. So that's exciting, good timing there.

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But yeah, that the first book focused on dog man

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sightings in Texas, and it seems that looking at a map,

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there's a preponderance of sightings within a geographical area that

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to Houston and back again. And so that's where the

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term the Texas dog Man Triangle came from. And then

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Lakes and that is about dog man phenomena in the

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land between the Lakes, and that book was released last year.

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Speaker 1: Wow, you do stay busy, don't you?

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Speaker 2: I get bored otherwise yeah.

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Speaker 1: Gosh, I have to wonder when you have time to sleep.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you don't. I have a two year old, so

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sleeping is something I said goodbye to a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'll bet you did. I'm sure that two

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Speaker 2: Also he does yet he's my own little werewolf. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can only imagine you mostly focus on dog

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mean happenings in Texas. There. It's easy to think, if

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to think that you might expect to have a dogman

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encounter in Michigan or Pennsylvania or Ohio, New York, places

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like that, Tennessee, Kentucky. But it seems like most people,

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when they're just getting into this, they just brush right

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for dog me and encounters. Have you noticed that or

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more conjecture over the state of Texas. And since my

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to be contacted by several people who said, Hey, you know,

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this area and I didn't realize this was a thing.

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will pay attention to Texas in this regard because there

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stand to learn. So, you know, I think we're just

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Speaker 1: It should be because a lot of it counters happen there.

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many dog men are there? Apparently man?

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camels here at one time during the Civil War. That

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with that. But then we also have swamp lands and forests.

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a biological being, it's not too out of scope to

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stretches of unoccupied, unobserved land that maybe government land, maybe

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ranch land, tons of ranches and farms out here, but

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places where you don't necessarily have a ton of people,

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where something could hide in relative privacy. So I think

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how many large areas there are, I think that lends

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buddy's hell bent holler. Thank you, guys, appreciate you. So

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it about Texas that lends itself to strange phenomena because

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buried treasure, pirate curses, we've got Bigfoot in spades. I

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most notorious UFO and alien contact ees sidings on record

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Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, there are a lot of strange

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it really is. As far as a split, does it

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seem like more encounters happen in the eastern half of

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the state toward the western that's.

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three hundred people, maybe a thousand people. You don't have

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those sidings. So you could argue that as you go

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again that's one of those things where we just need

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Speaker 1: You make some really good points there. Encounters do happen

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where the people are. If there's not a person to

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witness it, then yeah, there's no encounter. So that's a

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really good point. It's obvious from the things that you've

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a pretty good amount of work into researching another place

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activity that's been alleged to happen there. What more can

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you tell us about what got you into researching in

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a story because I love stories, you know, I think

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the dog man stuff. We're going to look at the

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big foot stuff, We're going to look at some of

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the paranormal stuff. And I was already making notes for

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kind of building on some specific themes and ideas, just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can understand why it was. And it seems

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Speaker 2: That is an apt description?

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, so not only is adapt but it's also accurate.

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Speaker 2: Apt and accurate. Yester like the le a on that

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Speaker 1: Sorry, I couldn't help myself there.

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Speaker 2: No, that was good.

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Speaker 1: Do you consider yourself to be a researcher?

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, Yeah, that's the term I use most often.

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I do produce podcasts, I'll call myself a podcaster, and

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I'm an author, but I don't consider myself an investigator.

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I don't get out there on a regular basis and

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put boots on the ground like Jesse Joe over at

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You know, those guys are investigators. I don't consider myself

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a cryptozoologist because there are people like you know, Ken

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or deny the details of that story. And by we,

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I mean myself, Heather Moser, the rest of the STM crew,

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Shannon Lagroux, who was on that film shoot with us.

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the lbl for about five days that unfortunately we're not filmed,

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but where we were all huddled around laptops and phones

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and tablets looking into certain aspects of this story. Because

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as we were spending time in the land between the lakes,

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talking with locals, interviewing witnesses, we're getting other details and

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other tidbits that are not a part of the Internet version,

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if you like, you know. And despite all that, we

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were not able to find anything that confirms or strongly

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indicates that that event took place as it is purported.

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So that's one answer. The other answer is that that

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conclusion leads a lot of people to, Okay, well, this

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is an Internet invention, this is a creepypasta. We can

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trace the origins of this story to the two thousand

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and seven film Hunt the dog Man. High Strangeness in Kentucky,

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which was produced by Barton Nunneley, noted author, cryptozoologist, you know, producer,

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very accomplished guy. And in that film he interviews a

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woman named jan Thompson who tells this story, and so

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for a lot of folks that's considered the origin point.

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Mss Thompson's version, a written version of the story was

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available on the Internet for a few years before mister

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Nunneley produced the film about it. So a lot of

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folks will read that original account and go, okay, this

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is written in very flowery lanth whage. Clearly this was

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just written as a creative writing project, and they sort

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of write it off and move on. What's very interesting

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for me is that there are people in the land

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between the Lakes area, such as the town of Grand Rivers,

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Buddy and I mine named Mike Smith, who is quoted

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in the book and in the film, who heard this

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story as early as nineteen eighty two. Mister Smith heard it,

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I believe in nineteen eighty seven. Elijah Henderson of the

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Cryptid Studies Institute is in contact with folks in Grand

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Rivers who heard it in nineteen eighty two. Whether it's

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eighty two eighty seven doesn't matter, because in either case,

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we know that this predates Internet creepy pastas and Internet

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urban legends. The Internet was in its very early forms

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in the eighties, So if the first time people can

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remember hearing this story is the early eighties, it doesn't

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mean it's true, but it does mean that writing it

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off is purely an Internet invention is something we can't

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do because we know it's been around longer than that.

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From there, I'm going, Okay, well, is there anything else

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to the dog man phenomenon in the Land between the

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Lake other than this one? Really hope high profile case

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turns out there is. I'm sure I've already seen mister

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Martin Groves mentioned in the chat once, great dude, good

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friend of mine. He's had some very frightening encounters with

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these creatures in the Land between the Lakes. And even

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going beyond mister Groves, there are several independent named witnesses

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who will tell you I have had encounters with what

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I believe to be an upright canine in this area.

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So I'll say this, and hopefully I don't upset anybody.

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It is my opinion that the events of the should

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I say that now vick or do we want to

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say that sorry, Oh no, you're fine, go ahead, and okay,

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I don't want to derail the trajectory. But it is

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my opinion that the events of the LBL massacre as

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they're purported online did not occur simply because we can't

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find anything to corroborate that, including records of these people

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where they're supposed to be from, you know, any way

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you can think to research this. We've done that, other

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people have done it long before I did. But because

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we do have legitimate dog man encounters in this area,

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I'm of the opinion that there is some event at

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the root of this that led to this story. And

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it could be something as mundane as a family was

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camping in the land between the lakes and one of

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them was bitten by a coyote or scratched by a dog,

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you know, and that morse into excuse me, that morse

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into Oh, they were attacked by a coyote, and then

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they were attacked by a bear, and oh, actually it

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was a werewolf. That comes along with these existing rumors

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of upright canines in the area. And that's just my theory.

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But this story also says a lot about the land

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between the Lakes itself, because if you look at the

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history of this area, you know it was a Native

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American hunting ground before settlers came along in the seventeen hundreds,

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many of them led by Daniel Boone, who happens to

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be a distant relative of mine. True story, These folks

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set up shop in the lbl. They were there for generations,

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and then in the nineteen sixties, the United States government

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came in said we're turning this into a nation recreation area.

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You guys got to get out. So you have this

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place where up to two thousand American families, according to

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some accounts, were forcibly displaced, the vast majority of them

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against their will. And then a few decades later or

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two decades later, you have this story about an unstoppable

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force coming in and destroying a family in this same area.

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And I got to give credit to my friend Eli

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Watson for this take, because I interviewed him for the

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book and he presented this perspective, and I think it's

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really really apt because it says something about a real

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world event, something that happened to real people, and it's

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set against the backdrop of this very strange place where

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these strange encounters really do happen. So no, I don't

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think I know it all. There's a lot I don't know. Sorry,

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I'm just reading the chat here, so you know that's

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my opinion on this case. But I'm more than happy

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to be proven wrong. If someone can prove me wrong,

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at least we've proven something, and I think that's awesome.

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But that's where I land after reading up on this

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for you know, two or so years.

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Speaker 1: I know you've put a lot of research into it.

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I don't know thlier. And do you think it's beyond

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the government's capability to cover up two murders that actually

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did happen there but put us where we are today

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with a lack of evidence.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's beyond their capacity. I just think

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it's unlikely. And the reason I think it's unlikely is

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because for the events of the massacre to have taken place,

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you're talking about purportedly dozens of witnesses, and I'm referencing

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the original kind of you know, testimony version, the one

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that most folks think of. You're talking about dozens of witnesses,

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and at some point, once you have enough people involved,

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someone is going to talk, and we don't have anybody

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that has claimed to be a witness of this event.

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Now it's entirely possible that those folks just said, you

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know what, Now, I'm going to stick to my silence

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and never go on record. But we can kind of

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observe an analog in the UFO world where we do

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have an ongoing trend with on the government side of

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keeping this stuff under wraps, denying it, saying no, there's

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nothing on record. But now we have whistleblowers coming forward

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and saying, actually, we do have these things on record.

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And that's been going on for a long time as well,

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at least since the eighties. So I know you can't

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make a one to one comparison between the dog Man

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and UFO research communities. And I don't mean to paint

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with such a broad brush, but I do feel that

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we need a little bit more, you know what I mean.

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And again, I'm not going to say this didn't happen.

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There's no way it happened. We just haven't found that

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smoking gun at least yet, could be out there, could

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be out there, I see Jonathan Dodd in the chat.

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Jonathan Dodd provided the cover art for Texas dog Man

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Triangle and hunting Grounds, as well as the little profile

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iconom using here.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's amazing artwork. I was looking at that

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before we got under weigh and I'm really impressed. He

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does really good work.

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Speaker 2: He's a legend man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I can see why you say that. I

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really can what we're just talking about. Bouncing back to that,

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I think it's all too easy to underestimate the abilities

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of the US government, their reach and their pull, their

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ability to do things to pull certain things off that

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seem almost impossible, and I wouldn't put it past them

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when you consider the resources to bury two murders that

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happened there. I'm not saying that that I believe one

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hundred percent they happened, but there's a lot of evidence

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out there that, in my opinion, is awfully hard to ignore.

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I mean, there have been several people who I know

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who have gone to the LBL, and various people have

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taken them to the exact same place. People who didn't

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know each other have taken them to the exact same

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places where these murders supposedly happened. And there have been

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other things too, corroborating evidence that gosh, it's just really

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as part to dismiss I could be wrong. Maybe they

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didn't happen, But as time has gone by over the years,

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At first I just thought it was nonsense, But as

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time has gone by, I don't know, I wouldn't be

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surprised if they did happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm on the other side of the coin there,

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I'm with you. And this is part of the challenge

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in writing a book about this kind of thing, because

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you want to weigh it from both sides, you know,

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and my opinion on this will morph over time as well.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's a tough one because, like you said, if it

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is all nonsense, why can't we just write it off?

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Why are this many people convinced about it? Why does

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the story have that kind of staying power? And that,

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at least in part, is why I do believe there

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is some event at the root of this. You know,

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we may never know all the details, but I do

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believe that there is a basis to this story in reality.

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So I am definitely with you there. It's just like

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you said, there's so many layers you peel back on

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and you go, okay, what about this? Back on the

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other side, round and round.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely, there are a lot of layers. Like

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you said, well, from what I understand there, Aaron, you

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have a relative who told you about a dogman encounter

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they had before you tell us about that experience that

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they shared with you. Is that what got you into

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this whole dog man thing or was it something else? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: It really is, It really is. I had started a

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podcast with my wife called Hey Strangeness during the Pandemic.

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You know, like I think a lot of us started

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during the pandemic. You've been around quite a bit longer,

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but you know, there's a whole legion of us who

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came in during the pandemic. And I was looking for

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a topic to do just for a general something strange

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in Texas because that's where we live. And I'm having

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a chat with this person who is a relative who

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I've known for many, many years, who says, well, you know,

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I saw something strange ones and they relate to me

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what sounds like a roadside encounter, and I go, well,

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you have you ever heard of this thing called dog

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They're like, no, what are you talking about? So we

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start talking about the Beast of Bray Road and the

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Michigan dog Man, and you know, this person gets pale

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in the face and they're like, that looks like what

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I saw, you know, looking at the artistic renditions and

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the eyewitness sketches. So then I do a little more

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research and come to find out that there are other

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reports within you know, one hundred miles of this random

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sighting that this person didn't realize was significant at the time.

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And that's where the term Texas dog Man Triangle came from,

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because there were three that were kind of clustered in

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this one area. But then of course it grows as

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you realize there are more reports and stuff. But sorry,

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the short answer to your question is yes, that was

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kind of the lynchpin that really cinched this for me,

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because it's I'm fascinated by this stuff even just looking

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at it online, watching documentaries, listening to interviews. But once

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you have that personal connection to someone, whether it's your

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own experience or even somebody you know, that grounds it

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a lot more in reality, and that's kind of what

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set me on this whole journey. As it were.

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Speaker 1: It's a slippery slope, isn't it It is? Yeah, yeah,

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it definitely is. Well, please tell us about that encounter

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that they had.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they were driving. They were coming from Colorado

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to Austin, actually on their way to visit me and

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my wife, and they were down a long highway I

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believe it is two eighty one, far far north outside

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of Austin. And you know, I hate to use the

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term atypical, but it was kind of what some of

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us think of as an atypical roadside siding. They're coming

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around a long bend. It's at night. They're in a

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fairly isolated area, so you got trees on all sides,

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very wooded space, and this person sees a large canine

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form raised up on its rear legs, holding what appears

475
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,000
to be roadkill or something like that in its fore

476
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,920
paws or front legs how you know, claws however you'd

477
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,960
like to describe it. And as they're coming around the bend,

478
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,000
they had eyes on it for probably ten to fifteen seconds.

479
00:25:58,039 --> 00:25:59,880
As they come around the bend and get a little closer,

480
00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:02,759
it stands up on its rear legs, turns and starts

481
00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:07,680
walking into the underbrush. This person is a veteran of

482
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,119
the conflict in Afghanistan, so they've been in dangerous situations

483
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,720
they know how to respond, how to observe, you know,

484
00:26:13,759 --> 00:26:16,359
and how to report on what they've seen. They are

485
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,720
a business owner, they hold a real estate license in

486
00:26:18,759 --> 00:26:21,400
two states, you know. And I say this stuff because

487
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,880
very often people call witness credibility into question. But for me,

488
00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:29,200
even just this person, going beyond being a family member,

489
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,920
it's like you've got all these credentials as well, dude,

490
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,319
Like if you went loud with this story on the

491
00:26:34,319 --> 00:26:36,799
Internet or something, it could destroy your reputation and ruin

492
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,960
your business. So the fact that it was being relayed

493
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,759
to me in private by someone I know. You know

494
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,039
that all the more that just made it all the

495
00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:44,759
more impactful.

496
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure it did. I'm sure it did. It's one

497
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,240
thing when you get into this and you don't know

498
00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:56,599
anyone that has added any experiences, But when you find

499
00:26:56,599 --> 00:26:59,880
out that they have, when families had experiences or close

500
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,839
friends have, that really changes it. It really just pulls

501
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,680
out the realism and just does something to you. It

502
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,359
really does. This is something that you don't know about,

503
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,079
but I put this out there. I think what two

504
00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:16,440
weeks ago, my copyright attorney he told me he contacted

505
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,279
me to let me know that a family member of

506
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,839
his has had a dog mean encounter. Then he went

507
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,440
on to tell me about the encounter, what happened and everything.

508
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,400
But yeah, that blew me away more people. And this

509
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,559
is something that I tell eyewitnesses all the time. I'll

510
00:27:29,599 --> 00:27:32,559
tell them you probably know people more than one person

511
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,799
who's at an encounter with one of these things with

512
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,519
dog men, but you don't know it because they haven't

513
00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:39,799
put it out there and told you or other people

514
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,799
about it. For obvious reasons too. But yeah, it's something else.

515
00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:48,200
I wasn't expecting that to be told wild.

516
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing with a lot of these encounters vic.

517
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,920
I think people see these things and they figure, oh,

518
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,000
that was just a weird dog. Well, maybe some of

519
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,079
them are weird dogs. But then when you take into

520
00:27:58,079 --> 00:28:01,559
account dozens to hundreds of eyewitness sightings of weird dogs

521
00:28:01,599 --> 00:28:04,599
walking on two legs, Ah, there's something else going on here.

522
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:05,799
Yeah that's my opinion.

523
00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: Oh definitely. You didn't directly address it, But what you

524
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,160
just said it brought another question to mind, And this

525
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,720
is a juicy one. Why do you think it is

526
00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:19,319
if there are so many people who are encrypted connoisseurs.

527
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,119
I guess you could say who wholeheartedly believe in the

528
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,880
existence of sasquatch, even though they've never seen one, but

529
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,200
they poo poo the idea that there could possibly be

530
00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:31,200
such a thing as a dog man out there.

531
00:28:31,759 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love this question. I've got the biggest smile

532
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,200
on my face. I think there are a couple of

533
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,799
reasons for it. One, probably the most prominent one is

534
00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:43,839
the association with pop culture, and that's inseparable. You know,

535
00:28:43,839 --> 00:28:45,759
we're never going to get away from that. The fact

536
00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:48,279
that people use the term where wolf as such a

537
00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:52,359
common descriptor kind of speaks to that. You know, when

538
00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:55,680
you have this image that's so deeply ingrained in pop

539
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,400
culture and has been for going on a century now,

540
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,200
that's natural for people to immediately hear dog man slash

541
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,000
were wolf and go, this is nonsense. We already have bigfoot,

542
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,720
we already have the Flatwoods monster. We don't need to

543
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,839
bring something else in. And I say that because that

544
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:15,400
was my perspective on it when I first encountered this

545
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,119
phenomenon before I read the works of Linda Godfrey, that

546
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,559
was my attitude, you know. Once I read a couple

547
00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:23,640
of her books, I was like, Oh, okay, there's more

548
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,759
to this, but I think that's a big reason. What

549
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,000
a lot of folks don't account for is the fact

550
00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:34,680
that human beings all over the world considered were wolve's

551
00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:39,160
real to be an actuality for a very, very long time.

552
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,079
And when I say where wolf, I don't mean the

553
00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:44,079
Hollywood transform under a full moon version. I mean some

554
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:49,079
iteration of the upright canine slash human chimeric motif that's

555
00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:52,240
been around with us since ancient Mesopotamia, you know so,

556
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,559
And that's not my opinion, that's just a fact. I'm

557
00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:57,920
sure a lot of folks listening are in the audience

558
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,440
have read Sabine baring Old's Book of were Wolves that

559
00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:04,920
was published in eighteen fifty seven, and the stories in

560
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,160
that book are much much older. Thank you, Glenn, I

561
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,079
appreciate that. So people for a long time have considered

562
00:30:12,079 --> 00:30:14,240
this to be a legitimate phenomenon. But then once the

563
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,440
movies came along and borrowed from a lot of these

564
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,440
old folk stories and these old tales, that's when it

565
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,000
became thought of as something that was purely of pop culture.

566
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,200
So there's that, and then on the other side, it's

567
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,880
difficult for a lot of people to stomach the idea

568
00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:31,359
of any kind of undiscovered, upright six to eight foot

569
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:35,079
tall creature. And i'll quote Lyle Blackburn on this one.

570
00:30:35,359 --> 00:30:37,599
You know, it's even harder to stomach the idea of

571
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,400
more than one. So when you get into okay, could

572
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,119
bigfoot be a thing? Yeah, sure, bigfoot could be a thing.

573
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,000
Apes are real. Oh but there's also were wolves, I

574
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,359
think it just kind of becomes too much. And I

575
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,680
don't mean to patronize or condescend, because again, this was

576
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:56,720
very much my perspective for quite a long time. But

577
00:30:56,759 --> 00:30:59,559
when you take into account the historical record, the folkloric

578
00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:03,200
precedent for people believing in these things, and then you

579
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,880
put that alongside these modern encounters, which you know, VICKI,

580
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,079
you're over five hundred and fifty episodes, as you know,

581
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,799
there are hundreds of them. For me, it's very difficult

582
00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:16,680
to go, oh, well, people are just misidentifying Bigfoot, or oh,

583
00:31:16,759 --> 00:31:19,319
this couldn't possibly be a thing. And then, just as

584
00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:23,720
a side note, dogs can walk on two legs. They

585
00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:26,759
don't do so in natural situations unless given a very

586
00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:30,200
very good reason, but they do possess that ability.

587
00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: So I don't know, you raised some really good points

588
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,279
it's funnier and I didn't expect to necessarily blindside you

589
00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:42,960
with that question, but oh no, I didn't think you'd

590
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,519
put as much thought into this as you obviously have.

591
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,079
You have put a lot of thought into this, sounds

592
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,039
like I.

593
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,319
Speaker 2: Do think about it quite a bit. Yeah, And part

594
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:53,519
of it's just, you know, following the discussion and seeing

595
00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:57,079
how many people are very skeptical of the phenomenon, and

596
00:31:57,119 --> 00:32:01,319
again understanding that skepticism. You know, the all my family

597
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:03,039
and friends know what I do for a living, but

598
00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:05,920
ninety percent of them don't. Don't think real where worlds

599
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,200
are a thing. That's okay, that's fine. I'm more concerned about,

600
00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:13,240
you know, hearing the stories of people that have actually

601
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:15,880
experienced this phenomenon and giving them a voice when I

602
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,599
have the opportunity to. But yeah, yeah, well that's good

603
00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:21,119
that you do that.

604
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:24,039
Speaker 1: Obviously have an open mind, and as long as you

605
00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:26,319
have an open mind, that's a good thing in my opinion.

606
00:32:26,359 --> 00:32:28,519
After all, you can't put any tea in a tea

607
00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:30,599
cup that's already full, so that that's good.

608
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: I agree, Yes, sir.

609
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is. You have three case files that

610
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,240
you're prepared to share with us tonight. Please do that, now.

611
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:41,079
Speaker 2: I do, I would love to do that. So I

612
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:44,200
have two that are from San Antonio, pretty close to me,

613
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,039
and these are special to me because these folks came

614
00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:49,200
to me after the release of The dog Man Triangle.

615
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,759
And then there's another from New Hampshire that I mean,

616
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:54,759
all three of these are you could say special. I

617
00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:56,640
always appreciate it when people take the time to share

618
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,240
their stories. But and this one's interesting for a few

619
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,880
reasons as well. But we'll just start at the beginning.

620
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,720
I suppose I have one from two thousand and six,

621
00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:07,720
two thousand and eight. The witness couldn't recall the exact year,

622
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,200
but this took place in north side San Antonio. And

623
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,839
this is the area that, if anyone's familiar with San

624
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,799
Antonio today, is considered Stone Oak, far north side. It's

625
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:21,640
considered a nicer side of town. It was fairly undeveloped

626
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,519
up until a couple of years ago. But what you

627
00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:26,000
did have out there were a few very high end

628
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,880
housing communities, a few very high end apartment complexes, and

629
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,839
I'm talking apartments that are just whole houses that sit

630
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,440
on their own plot, you know, golf courses, a couple

631
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,359
places like that, So a lot of open space. And

632
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:43,039
just in case someone's not familiar with Texas, again, we

633
00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:44,759
have a lot of woods here, we have a lot

634
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:47,839
of scrubland, a lot of plains and hills. Even these

635
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,440
big cities like San Antonio, the areas around them are

636
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,000
still very, very rural and very undeveloped. And that's what

637
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:56,880
this part of San Antonio was like as recently as

638
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,000
two thousand and eight. I actually worked at an office

639
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,279
not doing this stuff at the time in this area,

640
00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:06,240
and I can tell you firsthand it was very, very undeveloped,

641
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,840
still very burgeoning. But this is another of those roadside sidings.

642
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,079
This witness was coming home sometime between six and eight pm,

643
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:15,800
a little bit after stun set, still had a little

644
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,239
bit of daylight, and as they were coming down what

645
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,599
would have been or what is now Evans Parkway, rounding

646
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:24,079
a bend, they see, you know, I'm gonna give a

647
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:28,119
pretty similar description this canine form crouched on its rear legs.

648
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,079
This witness didn't recall seeing it holding anything or manipulating

649
00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:34,599
it in its front paws, but it did recall. They

650
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,320
did recall that the pause were off the ground and

651
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,119
it as she came around the corner, it stood up,

652
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:41,639
turned and began.

653
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: To walk away.

654
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:46,119
Speaker 2: That one's not quite as dramatic, and that's one of

655
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:49,719
those cases where this person wasn't familiar with the dog

656
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,480
man phenomenon at the time, and then as time went

657
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:55,679
by they became interested in the paranormal stuff. They looked

658
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:58,159
back and went, oh, my gosh, I saw this thing.

659
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:01,760
So that's one that I'm fond of. But the next

660
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,519
two were a little more dramatic. So I'm going to

661
00:35:04,599 --> 00:35:06,599
up the ante as we go. If that's okay with you,

662
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:11,840
by all means, please do excellent. So this next one

663
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,480
was from twenty nineteen, and this was shared with me

664
00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:16,960
by a young man who I've met at a couple

665
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,400
of events. We've connected and stayed in touch online. At

666
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,480
time of recording, I believe they are still under the

667
00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:24,199
age of eighteen, so I don't want to share too

668
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,280
much more about this person just for the sake of

669
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,360
protecting their privacy. But their sighting took place in twenty nineteen,

670
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:33,320
and this was in New Hampshire, and this is probably

671
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,199
the first report I've received personally from New Hampshire. But

672
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,800
this would have taken place near Rochester and Fort Smith,

673
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:43,960
right on the border of those two areas. And this

674
00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:46,920
was between seven and eight am. They were on the

675
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,360
bus riding to school. They're still in high school at

676
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,159
the time, and they saw this form that they described

677
00:35:53,199 --> 00:35:56,559
as again six to eight feet tall, standing by the

678
00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:59,000
side of the road. And the area they saw it

679
00:35:59,079 --> 00:36:03,280
in was kind of open, sort of planesy, lot of grass,

680
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,480
but there were sporadic trees sort of scattered around, and

681
00:36:06,559 --> 00:36:10,199
this figure was standing by the tree with one arm

682
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,719
or paw resting on it, standing upright, just kind of

683
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,639
watching the cars go by, you know, sort of how

684
00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:19,400
dogs do. They will sit and just watch cars go by.

685
00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:23,280
It's very canine behavior. And I asked them to describe it,

686
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,159
you know, the way the witness gave the testimony. They

687
00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:28,480
set kind of the stage and what they saw, and

688
00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:30,800
then they went into the description, you know, which is

689
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,920
very helpful from a note taking standpoint, But they described

690
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,840
it as we often think of these sightings. The height

691
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,280
that I mentioned a moment ago, six to eight feet tall,

692
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:45,400
darkish brownish grayish, fur pointed ears, elongated snout, kind of

693
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,000
fitting that you know, anticipable dog man profile, if we

694
00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:51,960
want to call it. That what's interesting to me about

695
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,920
this encounter is we hear a lot of these roadside sidings,

696
00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:57,559
and one way that people will brush them off is, well,

697
00:36:57,599 --> 00:36:59,639
you were driving, you were you only got to look

698
00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:01,559
at it for a second or two. You know, you

699
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:04,239
had to pay attention to the vehicle, the lighting wasn't good,

700
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,920
and all of those are fair critiques, okay for sure. Personally,

701
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,320
I think once you've gotten to dozens or hundreds of reports,

702
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,960
those critiques don't hold up anymore. But that's another avenue entirely.

703
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,639
What's interesting about this roadside sighting is that this individual

704
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,159
was not operating the vehicle. They were riding in a bus,

705
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,840
so they were able to give their undivided attention to it.

706
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,840
In my mind, that narrows the possibility that they just

707
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,079
saw a dog or that they just saw a person

708
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:33,199
out of the corner of their eye and mistook it

709
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,639
for something else, because they got a prolonged look at

710
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:38,719
it in daylight. This was between seven and eight am,

711
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,199
and they did describe the sun as being not fully up,

712
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,079
but fully above the horizon, so I guess that's fully up.

713
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:48,599
So they had plane sight on it in daylight and

714
00:37:48,639 --> 00:37:51,239
they weren't doing anything to take their attention away from it.

715
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,519
That's a very interesting one to me. Whether it was

716
00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:58,960
described as being cool and cloudy, Yeah, that's everything. I

717
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,679
wrote down. Everything I've got on that one.

718
00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:06,079
Speaker 1: Well, sounds like you take really thorough good reports.

719
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: I try to. I try to think of the things

720
00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:11,960
people are going to say when they're being skeptical, and

721
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,760
maybe that it's not a healthy way to live all

722
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,559
the time. You got to give yourself a break from that.

723
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,880
But I feel like if you can approach things with

724
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,159
a healthy bit of skepticism, you give more voice to

725
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:26,000
the witnesses testimony for one, but two, you you can

726
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:28,639
help to narrow down the possibilities as to what may

727
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,000
or may not be going on here.

728
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: You know.

729
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:33,119
Speaker 2: But that's just that's just a thing I think.

730
00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:36,599
Speaker 1: Well, it's always a good thing to have at least

731
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:39,559
some skepticism, so you don't just fall for anything. But

732
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,239
now that we're talking about it, it seems to me

733
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,360
like there are a lot of reasons that skeptics give

734
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,599
that are awfully weak trying to prove the supposed fact

735
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:53,000
that dog men can't exist. What are your thoughts on that?

736
00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:57,639
Speaker 2: I agree with you unequivocally. One hundred percent. Yes, I

737
00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:00,639
think that's correct, and again I think there is a

738
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:06,960
natural and understandable element to an extent. But then on

739
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,559
the other side of a coin, Vic, we're talking about sasquatch,

740
00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:15,280
we're talking about ghosts, alternate dimensions, extra dimensionals, crypto terrestrials.

741
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,440
The spectrum of strangeness and paranormal covers so many things

742
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,840
that are so far outside the realm of what ninety

743
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,880
percent of people consider to be normal that it does

744
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,639
confound me that there is so much skepticism when it

745
00:39:28,679 --> 00:39:32,119
gets to this, because, like we said, if you spend

746
00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:34,199
a little bit of time just looking into the history,

747
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,440
this is not a new idea. This is not an

748
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,719
idea that originated with nineteen forty one's The Wolfman starring

749
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:44,039
Lon Cheney Junior. This is a very very old concept.

750
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh definitely. And you wouldn't believe the messages I've

751
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,199
gotten that are taken me to task or trying to

752
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,679
take me to task for naming them quote unquote naming

753
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,920
them dog men. How can you do that? That's a

754
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,519
horrible name for them, Vic, Why I didn't name them?

755
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't come up with it.

756
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not my baby. So it seems like these

757
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,920
people who poo pooh the existence of dog men, it

758
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,639
seems like the ones that shout the loudest are the

759
00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:14,880
ones who have done the least amount of research. They

760
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,559
haven't looked into this phenomenon at all. They just brushed

761
00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:21,800
it off without any research whatsoever.

762
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: It seems like, yeah, yeah, I think I've encountered an

763
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,800
element of that. And you know, I try to separate

764
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,760
myself from I don't want to use the word political,

765
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,599
but you know what I mean, the political side of

766
00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:38,400
this stuff as much as possible, because at the end

767
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,760
of the day, I'm not going to change anybody's mind,

768
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,239
and nobody's going to change my mind. But yeah, that

769
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,760
is a criticism that I see, and it bums me

770
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,199
out a little bit because I feel like people are

771
00:40:49,199 --> 00:40:53,239
missing out. There is a rich backdrop of stories and

772
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,519
encounters and possibilities, you know, along this line of research,

773
00:40:57,559 --> 00:41:00,360
and I think people are doing themselves an injustice when

774
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,440
they write it off too quickly.

775
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: Oh no, I agree, I do. We One of the

776
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,639
reasons why I say that is when I see comments

777
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,039
like dog me can't exist. It's ridiculous that you say

778
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:13,960
that they're out there, because if they existed. If they

779
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,360
were extant, we'd have photos of them, we'd have videos

780
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,880
of them and other evidence. Well, we do have great

781
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,360
photos of them, we have amazing videos of them. Just

782
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,119
because you haven't seen that evidence, that doesn't mean that

783
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,079
these guys don't exist. It just means you haven't seen

784
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:30,719
this evidence.

785
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is some very compelling evidence on file. There

786
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,719
are things that don't fit inside the Bigfoot category that

787
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,719
also don't quite fit in the known animals category. And

788
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,199
people are always going to, you know, point out potential

789
00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:48,679
problems with any piece of evidence, and that's fine, that's

790
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,280
totally fine, but it's it's kind of a numbers game.

791
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,880
You know, once we get to so many examples of

792
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,440
potential correlation, there has to be something else going on.

793
00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:01,400
At least that's at least that's my opinion, is my opinion.

794
00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:07,039
Speaker 1: Well, where there's smoke, there's fire in most cases. So yeah,

795
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:10,840
there's that's a good point there, It really is. I'm

796
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,559
going to ask a question for Quincy Barry. Quincy wants

797
00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:17,440
to know, and as far as me answering this, the

798
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,880
answer is no, I didn't hear about it, But Quincy

799
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,239
wants to know. If you Aaron have either well, I'm

800
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,880
sorry they want to know Aaron or Vick. Have either

801
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,440
of you heard about the dogman encounter that happened in

802
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:33,119
Potato Creek State Park near South Bend, Indiana twenty ten.

803
00:42:33,199 --> 00:42:35,719
I believe I'll live twenty minutes from there.

804
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 2: I have not, Quincy, but you've piqued my interest. I'm

805
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,360
actually writing that down right now. I'm very interested in that.

806
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,119
I do have some friends in Indiana, so that is

807
00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:48,360
of interest to me. I would love to know more

808
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:48,760
about that.

809
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:53,079
Speaker 1: Do you collect reports outside of Texas or only from

810
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,519
dog men? I witnesses inside?

811
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: Asked as often as possible. You know, I'm very much

812
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,480
of the opinion that the phenomenon supersedes you know, Texas

813
00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:05,559
or any one area. So and again, the more we know,

814
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,440
the more potential conclusions we can arrive at. So yeah,

815
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,840
I'm always interested to hear additional reports because one thing

816
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,639
that's interesting is that these patterns with these sightings very

817
00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:19,079
often remain consistent as far as how these entities behave,

818
00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:23,400
how the eyewitnesses respond to them. So yeah, always always.

819
00:43:24,199 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: If that's the case, if you do collect reports from

820
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,039
all over, then if anyone listening has had an encounter

821
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:32,280
that they'd like to report to you. What's the best

822
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:33,360
way for them to do that.

823
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Aaron at Smalltownmonsters dot com is the easiest way

824
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,719
to reach me. That's my work email, so I'm in

825
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,039
there about twenty times a day. Any other social media stuff,

826
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:46,559
I may not see it for a week. But yeah,

827
00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:48,920
Aaron at Smalltownmonsters dot com.

828
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,639
Speaker 1: Well that makes it really easy, and I should know

829
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:55,719
the answer to this next question. But I really don't.

830
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,280
Do you ever head out into the field in places

831
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,960
that seem to be hot spots for men in hopes

832
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,280
of actually having a sighting.

833
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 2: I've done that a few times. Again, I don't do

834
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,840
that often enough to where I can call myself a

835
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,159
proper investigator. My friend Rod Nichols over at Bear County Bigfoot,

836
00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:14,719
I saw him in the chat a little while ago,

837
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:17,119
hopefully he's still here. He has taken me out in

838
00:44:17,159 --> 00:44:19,719
the field to look at some of his research areas

839
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,440
where he's been looking into potential sasquatch activity, and he's

840
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:28,199
actually uncovered some stuff out there, specifically very very large

841
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:33,920
canine footprints that point to potential strange canine activity in

842
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,559
that area as well. So I've gone out with him

843
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,039
on one occasion, one or two occasions. Rod can correct

844
00:44:39,039 --> 00:44:40,639
me if I'm wrong, And then, of course I've gone

845
00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:43,119
on a few trips with small town monsters and producing

846
00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:46,760
these documentaries. But unfortunately I'm not able to get out

847
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,400
there as often as I would like to. There are

848
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,840
several trips that are planned and sketched out, but time

849
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:52,320
will tell.

850
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: Well, like I said, as busy as you stay, it's

851
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,320
no wonder that you have a hard time getting into

852
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:59,760
the field. I don't know how you ever make it

853
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,599
out there in the first place, but obviously you do.

854
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 2: Quite a bit of planning is required.

855
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, you all get I can only imagine. You

856
00:45:10,039 --> 00:45:12,000
told us just a bit ago that you don't believe

857
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:15,000
that the alleged Dogman murderers happened in the LBL. But

858
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,960
did you hear about the alleged murder that happened in

859
00:45:18,039 --> 00:45:21,079
Kentucky where the little boy was taken out of his

860
00:45:21,159 --> 00:45:24,039
house or I guess I'm sorry, taken out of his backyard,

861
00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:27,239
drug up that mountain and he was found later on

862
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,119
by the authorities disembowed.

863
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: No, I'm not familiar with that story. I'm not that

864
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,079
would have I mean, Kentucky of course is land between

865
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:38,039
the lakes, So do you know what the proximity would

866
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,519
have been like? Is it sorry, I'm going into interview

867
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:41,559
remode my bad.

868
00:45:41,679 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: No, you're fine, You're fine. It's one of those things,

869
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,320
you know. This is what I do. I talk with

870
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,599
so many people. It's just so hard to keep the

871
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:52,280
details straight. That one time I could tell you where

872
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,079
this was reported as happening, and other details as well.

873
00:45:56,159 --> 00:45:59,519
From what I remember, I think this little boy was

874
00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:03,000
playing in the backyard on the swing set, and when

875
00:46:03,039 --> 00:46:06,400
his mother went to call him in for lunch or whatever,

876
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,760
he was gone. So after a search, he was just missing.

877
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:16,760
After a search, the authorities found drag marks I think

878
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,559
where he had been drug out of the backyard and

879
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:21,880
up the mountain that was like right behind the property,

880
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,320
a pretty good distance where the authorities found him. He

881
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,280
was disembowed, and they later determined that he had been

882
00:46:29,559 --> 00:46:33,440
killed by a knid. They didn't go any further than

883
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,280
that there was just some kind of a dog or

884
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,679
something that it killed him. But people who are closer

885
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,239
to what happened, they say that they think it was

886
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,519
a dog man. The evidence points towards it being a

887
00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:46,840
dog man that killed him. I wasn't sure if you

888
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,000
had heard about anything to do with that or not.

889
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:50,079
I have it.

890
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 2: I have it, not with that one specifically. I do

891
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,400
see how that Holler in the chat clarifying that the

892
00:46:57,559 --> 00:47:00,480
name of the young man was Cory Godsey, that was

893
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:03,159
not County Kentucky. So I've been writing as we've been

894
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:06,920
chatting here. But it's one of those things you hope

895
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,559
it's not true, but at the same time, it does

896
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,159
seem to parallel a lot of these other stories. You know,

897
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:16,360
this is what I'll have to look into and you know,

898
00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:18,599
see what I can dug up on it, because this

899
00:47:18,679 --> 00:47:21,480
is very interesting. But yeah, that's not a case that

900
00:47:21,519 --> 00:47:23,079
I'm familiar with currently.

901
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, with all the work that hell Ben Holler is

902
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,840
done in that area, they would know, they really would.

903
00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:29,519
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

904
00:47:29,679 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

905
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 2: Jesse and Joe are good friends. They are investigators. Those

906
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:38,000
guys are cryptozoologists, investigators. Yeah. Yeah, if they think there's

907
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,119
something to it, it's worth looking into. I'll say that.

908
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does seem like they stay after it. They

909
00:47:43,519 --> 00:47:46,760
really do. I've got another question for you from Chris

910
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,199
bass Bassett and Chris wants to know, Aaron, have you

911
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,480
heard about the northern main paper country pack.

912
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:56,599
Speaker 2: That is also not something I'm familiar with. I've heard

913
00:47:56,679 --> 00:47:59,800
chatter about potential activity in Maine, but it is not

914
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:03,239
an area where I've spent a significant time researching, So

915
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,320
I do have to admit that I'm not familiar with

916
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:05,880
that one either.

917
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are so many of these it's really hard

918
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:09,960
to keep up.

919
00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 2: It's tough, man. Yeah, I always feel bad when I

920
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,719
have to say I don't know. But you know, that's

921
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,639
one thing I love about these shows. I find out

922
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,039
a lot of interesting stuff.

923
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's always something new. It seems like, well,

924
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:23,960
we try to keep it that way. Jay Skill, a

925
00:48:24,039 --> 00:48:26,760
TD nine wants to know. Can I ask a question

926
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:27,960
now or should we wait?

927
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 2: No?

928
00:48:28,639 --> 00:48:31,199
Speaker 1: Fire away. If you have any other questions you'd like

929
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,679
for me to ask Aaron here, then yeah, please post

930
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:34,599
them in all caps.

931
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,519
Speaker 2: We're happy to do that. Love questions.

932
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:42,199
Speaker 1: I would after all this research you've put into these guys, Aaron,

933
00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:43,840
what do you think dogmen are?

934
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: That's another thing I go back and forth on, man,

935
00:48:47,039 --> 00:48:51,679
because we have so many encounters that you could say, Okay,

936
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:52,840
this sounds like an animal.

937
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:53,199
Speaker 1: You know.

938
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 2: It appeared near a wooded area. It seemed to be

939
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,840
interested in livestock. It seemed to be territorial and hostile

940
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,320
towards domestic dogs. You know, we can cite a number

941
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,400
of cases where that seems to be the case. So

942
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,599
from that side of the coin, it makes sense that

943
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:10,639
these are animals and they could be. This is a

944
00:49:10,639 --> 00:49:13,039
place where people will go. Now, wait a minute, and

945
00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:15,599
my wife is a veterinary technician, so I've run this

946
00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:19,039
idea by her many many times. And when you first say, okay,

947
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:21,639
just a regular animal, that's when we get into the hole. Well,

948
00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:23,719
dogs aren't supposed to walk on two legs things, so

949
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:30,039
that doesn't make sense. There's a huge possibility, I believe,

950
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:31,440
So I was trying to figure out how to phrase that.

951
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,920
There's a huge possibility I think for these to be

952
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:40,599
some form of hybrid or mutant or crossbreaking, crossbread amalgamation

953
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,639
of different species that, for one reason or another has

954
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:48,239
adapted to bipedal locomotion. There is precedent for canines doing

955
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,440
things like this, cross breeding and producing bizarre, unexpected results.

956
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,760
We can cite the case of the Texas chupacabra aka

957
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,119
the Texas terror dog. If we want to be specific.

958
00:49:58,519 --> 00:50:01,719
That creature is known to be a mix of domestic dog,

959
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,880
coyote and Mexican red wolf DNA. That's what that is.

960
00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:08,639
But we've classified it as a cryptid because it exhibits

961
00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:12,719
these bizarre behaviors and these ghastly appearances. I'm of the

962
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,199
opinion that at least in some of these cases, that's

963
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,760
what we're looking at with the dog man entity. We're

964
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,320
looking at canines that are some kind of a cross

965
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,880
of known species that for one reason or another, have

966
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,760
adapted to this behavior. Don't know why. That's a whole

967
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,280
nother question, but that's something that I think is valid.

968
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,760
But then again, turning it over, you know, you have

969
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,480
this other category of encounters. Based on what I've seen

970
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,280
and the people I've talked to, you can almost split

971
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,239
a line right down the middle into these sightings that

972
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,039
are very mundane, seem to be a normal animal, and

973
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:46,679
then you have these others that are very strange and

974
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,480
very bizarre. And these are typically the ones that leave

975
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:53,920
people the most rattled. When we're talking about negative eyewitness responses,

976
00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:56,480
it seems to be these more for lack of a

977
00:50:56,559 --> 00:51:01,280
better term, supernatural or paranormal in counters where people are

978
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:06,079
reporting things like mind speak, independently glowing eyes. They're very

979
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:08,960
specific when they say they were glowing and it wasn't eyeshine.

980
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,639
You know, you have this sense of hostility, this sense

981
00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:16,199
of danger. Sometimes we get this thing of a strange

982
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,840
mist appearing that comes up in more than one report.

983
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:23,239
So those are not things that go along with normal animals.

984
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,559
That's just not, at least as far as we know,

985
00:51:26,119 --> 00:51:29,519
there aren't any animals that can communicate telepathically whose eyes

986
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:31,960
glow independently and can appear in a shroud of mist.

987
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,119
So on that side of the coin, we almost have

988
00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:40,840
to assume, Okay, if there is a supernatural spectrum, spiritual realm,

989
00:51:41,079 --> 00:51:45,400
alternate dimensions, you know, whatever terminology you're comfortable with, if

990
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,800
that is a thing, and if these encounters are taking

991
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,039
place as the eyewitnesses are reporting them, and I believe

992
00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:54,679
it's important to take these stories at face value, then

993
00:51:54,719 --> 00:52:00,000
at least some element of this phenomenon is something strange, supernatural,

994
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:02,559
beyond reality, if we want to put it that way.

995
00:52:03,199 --> 00:52:05,239
And we can always guess in one case, maybe this

996
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,920
person was hallucinating, Maybe this person was imagining things, Maybe

997
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,320
this person was in not the right state of mind.

998
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,119
We can always speculate over that stuff. But again, you

999
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,400
end up with a vast body of reports with these

1000
00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:21,000
very very strange elements. And it's true in both categories,

1001
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:25,559
the mundane ones and the more bizarre ones. So it's

1002
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:28,000
been my opinion for a while and still is. I

1003
00:52:28,039 --> 00:52:30,679
think there's more than one thing going on here. I

1004
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,800
think if there's a supernatural spectrum, we can see other

1005
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,920
examples of it emulating the real world. There are plenty

1006
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,559
of so called supernatural monsters that resemble or look like

1007
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,079
real animals, So I think it's the same thing here.

1008
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,239
But I think there's more than one thing going on. Sorry,

1009
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,199
that was kind of a long tie, Rade.

1010
00:52:49,639 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: No, just being thorough. I'm glad you are. That's a

1011
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:52,920
good thing.

1012
00:52:53,519 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1013
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: Do you almost cringe the way I do when you

1014
00:52:57,039 --> 00:52:59,719
hear people explain the way that dog mea phenomenon. Is

1015
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:02,679
it just simply being a case of dog mean being

1016
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,320
created in a government laboratory or government labs plural.

1017
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of those things. You know. You hear

1018
00:53:09,519 --> 00:53:15,360
conjecture about it, but I can't point you to any cases, dates, places,

1019
00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:20,119
eyewitnesses that make a compelling argument for that. It's just

1020
00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:23,599
something I see in comments online. Maybe one of those

1021
00:53:23,639 --> 00:53:26,119
people making those comments knows something that I don't. I'm

1022
00:53:26,119 --> 00:53:29,000
always open to that, but it's not something I give

1023
00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:30,760
a lot of credence to. I'll be honest, and there

1024
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,159
are people who disagree with me. Again, I'm more than

1025
00:53:33,199 --> 00:53:36,000
happy to be proven wrong, but that's not an argument

1026
00:53:36,039 --> 00:53:38,440
I find terribly compelling. Yeah.

1027
00:53:38,679 --> 00:53:41,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I said, I really like that open mind. Yeah,

1028
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,840
that's always a good thing. Thank you. Oh you're welcome.

1029
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,920
And just a bit ago, you mentioned glowing eyes. It

1030
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,119
looks like Andre Sorez has a question that pertains to

1031
00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:54,119
that he wants to know. Many dog mey In reports

1032
00:53:54,159 --> 00:53:59,519
include high strangeness such as glowing eyes, telepathic communication, vanishing.

1033
00:54:01,519 --> 00:54:02,480
What's to take on this?

1034
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,639
Speaker 2: It's an interesting thing, And this glowing eye stuff is

1035
00:54:06,639 --> 00:54:09,039
something I've been interested in for a while because that

1036
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,400
is a recurring motif, not just in dog man encounters,

1037
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,000
but in paranormal activity across the map. And I'm using

1038
00:54:16,039 --> 00:54:19,079
the term paranormal kind of generally okay for strange stuff.

1039
00:54:19,119 --> 00:54:21,400
I know for certain people that word means certain things,

1040
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,920
But just to be clarified, I clarify the terms glowing

1041
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,519
eyes pop up all the time. You know that shows

1042
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:30,000
up in many Bigfoot encounters. It shows up in other

1043
00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:33,719
strange caneine encounters like hellhounds or black dogs, the grim

1044
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,679
black Shuck. That guy's got a ton of names. The

1045
00:54:36,679 --> 00:54:39,400
Flatwood's Monster was said to have glowing eyes, you know,

1046
00:54:39,559 --> 00:54:42,519
La La Choose a very prominent in Latin American folklore,

1047
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:47,039
glowing red eyes. So that's something that very often comes

1048
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:50,039
up when we're getting into the stranger stuff, and it

1049
00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:52,719
kind of to throw back to what I said a

1050
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,119
moment ago, you know, it almost tells me that there

1051
00:54:55,199 --> 00:54:59,000
has to be a stranger, more supernatural element to at

1052
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:00,840
least some of the He's encounters.

1053
00:55:02,199 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: They do so many things that you just can't explain

1054
00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:07,239
away by them being flesh and blood creatures that are

1055
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,559
out there trying to scratch out a living in the woods.

1056
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,320
You just can't do that. So I agree, there's got

1057
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,440
to be something else. Now, there might be some that

1058
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,920
are just normal flesh and blood creatures and all that

1059
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,679
live out in the woods and don't have any special abilities,

1060
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,599
but you can't explain away all of them as being

1061
00:55:24,639 --> 00:55:26,440
that way. There's just no way to do that.

1062
00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 2: I agree. Yeah, Like there's no blanket explanation that suits

1063
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,320
this phenomenon. You know, we can look at UFOs and say, well,

1064
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,199
if it turns out there from other dimensions, that explains everything.

1065
00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:41,280
You know, we can look at Bigfoot and say, well,

1066
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,360
if it turns out that they're just an undiscovered eight,

1067
00:55:43,679 --> 00:55:47,679
that explains most things. We don't have that luxury in

1068
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:54,119
the dog Man world. Unfortunately, no, we don't, not at all.

1069
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,079
Let's put up a question from Ja's skill. At eighty nine,

1070
00:55:57,199 --> 00:55:59,519
she asked if she film's okay to ask a question

1071
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:03,360
earlier on. She wants to know to think Sasquatch and dogmen,

1072
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:08,039
among other cryptids, conceive the light emitted from modern recording technologies.

1073
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,000
Do you think we'd have better luck getting good footage

1074
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,960
if we try recording on tape? I love this question.

1075
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:20,440
This is so interesting because the first EVPs electronic voice phenomena,

1076
00:56:20,599 --> 00:56:22,840
you know, dipping into the ghost world. Here we're recorded

1077
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,679
on magnetic cassette tapes. So I think this is such

1078
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,679
a good question, and I think it's possible. I think

1079
00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:33,199
it's definitely possible. Modern technology operates differently, and anything electronic

1080
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,599
gives off, you know, some kind of radiation, it's making

1081
00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:38,400
some kind of a noise, even if you and I

1082
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,159
can't hear it. But I think that's something that is

1083
00:56:41,199 --> 00:56:44,320
definitely at least worth experimenting with, because if we're only

1084
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,960
relying on modern technology, you know, we're kind of limiting

1085
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,000
our avenues of research. This is actually something I tried once.

1086
00:56:51,639 --> 00:56:53,960
My wife and I stayed a night in the Manger

1087
00:56:54,039 --> 00:56:56,599
Hotel here in San Antonio, which is supposed to be

1088
00:56:56,679 --> 00:56:59,079
super haunted, and I'm not usually a ghost guy, but

1089
00:56:59,159 --> 00:57:02,199
we were there anyway, and we ran recordings in our

1090
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,639
room all night just because on analog tape and on digital,

1091
00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:09,679
and we picked up a strange sound on the digital

1092
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,199
that could have been anything, I don't know, but we

1093
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:17,440
also picked it up on the analog and it sounded different.

1094
00:57:17,559 --> 00:57:20,199
It had like more definition, you could pick out individual

1095
00:57:20,239 --> 00:57:23,039
sounds a little differently. So if nothing else, I think

1096
00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:25,639
that's a great idea, just to get more data, more information.

1097
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,599
Speaker 1: It just might be as simple as that to get

1098
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:32,079
better results. You never know what little tweaks that you

1099
00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:34,800
could make could have a big impact on all this.

1100
00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:39,559
You really never do know. Yeah, let's ask one from Riddick.

1101
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,559
Looks like Riddick has a question for you. He wants

1102
00:57:42,639 --> 00:57:45,400
to know, Aarin, do you believe that any of the

1103
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,039
dog men reports, I'm sorry, any of the dog Men

1104
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,320
are gps tracked by our government.

1105
00:57:51,639 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 2: You know, if they know they're out there, I would assume.

1106
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:59,239
So I'm not a big proponent of the idea that

1107
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:03,159
there's like a huge government conspiracy covering these things up.

1108
00:58:03,199 --> 00:58:05,519
Like we talked about earlier, that's totally possible. I think

1109
00:58:05,559 --> 00:58:09,840
the mechanisms exist for that to be a thing. But yeah,

1110
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,360
I think that's kind of what it comes down to,

1111
00:58:11,519 --> 00:58:13,480
is whether or not they're interested. It could be a

1112
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:15,159
thing where they know they're there and just don't care.

1113
00:58:15,239 --> 00:58:17,199
But if they're aware and if they have an interest

1114
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,159
in them, I would assume. So, you know, somebody's got

1115
00:58:20,199 --> 00:58:23,000
to be studying these things, if there is any governmental

1116
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,159
body that's where they exist. Yeah, for sure, great question.

1117
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,360
They are all questions.

1118
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,599
Speaker 1: They are some really good questions. Definitely, it looks like

1119
00:58:32,679 --> 00:58:35,880
bang Bang has a question for you. She wants to know, Aaron,

1120
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,639
what about the many encounters where they feel evil? Yeah.

1121
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question and a great username, bang Bang.

1122
00:58:42,719 --> 00:58:45,440
I love that. That's kind of where we get back

1123
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,880
into these really bizarre, more strange ones. The third encounter

1124
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,679
I had in my notes tonight comes from a witness

1125
00:58:51,679 --> 00:58:53,679
in San Antonio who witnessed one of these things in

1126
00:58:53,719 --> 00:58:57,920
the fifties and she got a very clear, daytime prolonged

1127
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,320
look at it, and it did have the glowing red eyes,

1128
00:59:01,599 --> 00:59:04,199
and she said it struck her as being Her exact

1129
00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:07,960
words were something demonic. And I hesitate to use that

1130
00:59:08,039 --> 00:59:10,119
term because I feel like it's thrown around a lot,

1131
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,079
you know, without necessarily defining what we mean when we

1132
00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:17,039
say it. But that's the terminology the witness used, coming

1133
00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:19,519
from a very strong Catholic background, you know, that was

1134
00:59:19,559 --> 00:59:22,519
her frame of reference for it. And it seems again

1135
00:59:22,679 --> 00:59:26,079
in cases where people walk away from these encounters with

1136
00:59:26,119 --> 00:59:28,360
a sense of danger or a sense of evil, they're

1137
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,079
these more supernatural, the more bizarre ones. Yeah.

1138
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, when it comes to a lot of aspects, when

1139
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,280
it comes to dogmen, it's really hard to put your

1140
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,119
thumb on a lot of things. It seems like if

1141
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:42,000
you keep your eyes open, there's always something new. It's

1142
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,480
hard to nail anything down as being Okay, it's got

1143
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:45,800
to be this way, it's got to be.

1144
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,559
Speaker 2: That way very much. Yeah, I agree with you.

1145
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: Definitely seems that way Alex Midnight wants to know could

1146
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,719
Dogmen possibly be an alien creature.

1147
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 2: I think that's a fun idea, and I'm open to it.

1148
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,000
I'm not of that opinion, and I'll tell you why.

1149
01:00:05,039 --> 01:00:09,360
Once again proved me wrong. But the idea of extraterrestrial life,

1150
01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:11,800
you know, we would be talking about something that evolved

1151
01:00:12,239 --> 01:00:15,840
completely outside of our solar system, completely outside of planet

1152
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,639
Earth and the laws of nature as we understand them.

1153
01:00:19,039 --> 01:00:22,159
So in my mind, the idea that an extraterrestrial would

1154
01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:28,239
resemble anything on Earth that closely is unlikely. However, we

1155
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,239
do have tons of eyewitness testimony talking about aliens that

1156
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,599
looked like lizard people or looked like insect people, which

1157
01:00:34,599 --> 01:00:37,440
are also found on planet Earth. So I'm not going

1158
01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:39,880
to say no, it's impossible. But it's another one of

1159
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,039
those things where I hear chatter about it. I hear

1160
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:45,000
people say I think they're extraterrestrial, but I don't have

1161
01:00:45,039 --> 01:00:47,679
any cases I can point to. You know, I would

1162
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,440
love it if I had a couple cases that I

1163
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:53,280
could say times and dates this witness reported an extraterrestrial

1164
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,239
or UFO connection to dog Man, But I just I

1165
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:57,280
haven't seen that yet.

1166
01:00:58,639 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: Well, like I said before. Then it is appreciated some

1167
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,480
people would try to bluff their way through and claim

1168
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:05,960
they had gotten reports like that.

1169
01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 2: Nah, because then if you then I might have to

1170
01:01:09,039 --> 01:01:09,920
prove it. You never know.

1171
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: So that's a good point. It is the truth wants

1172
01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:17,119
to know. Aaron. Do you think there are both dog

1173
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,880
men and wear wolves or is it just one?

1174
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I personally use those terms interchangeably,

1175
01:01:25,639 --> 01:01:27,519
and the reason I do that is that one, the

1176
01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:30,079
etymological roots are very similar if you go back to

1177
01:01:30,159 --> 01:01:35,039
the original Germanic wearial wolf. Two, when eyewitnesses are describing

1178
01:01:35,079 --> 01:01:39,880
these things, they use both terms, and eyewitness consistency or sorry,

1179
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,679
remaining consistent with eyewitness testimony is really important to me.

1180
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:47,519
That being said, there are traditions in many indigenous belief

1181
01:01:47,559 --> 01:01:51,199
systems and many folkloric backgrounds that talk about the idea

1182
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:55,480
of human animal transformations, not just wolves and dogs, but

1183
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,519
animals across the spectrum. So that's one of those things

1184
01:01:59,559 --> 01:02:01,960
where I think there's more than one thing going on here.

1185
01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:05,360
I think there is a line between the potentially shape

1186
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:10,199
shifting supernatural dog man and the potentially undiscovered species or

1187
01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:13,440
one off hybrid. So I do believe there is a

1188
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,199
difference between those things. But you will You've probably heard

1189
01:02:16,239 --> 01:02:21,119
me throughout this conversation use those terms interchangeably, so.

1190
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:25,599
Speaker 1: I get asked that too, and as far as I'm concerned,

1191
01:02:25,639 --> 01:02:29,000
I try not to mix the two. I mean, after all,

1192
01:02:29,079 --> 01:02:31,960
werewolf is supposed to be a person who has the

1193
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:35,119
ability to shape shift into the form of a beast

1194
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,960
like this, but a dog man looks the way they

1195
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:41,679
do twenty four seven three sixty five. So yeah, I

1196
01:02:41,719 --> 01:02:44,480
see them as being totally separate. But just because I

1197
01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:46,639
see it that way or handle it that way, that

1198
01:02:46,679 --> 01:02:51,039
doesn't mean that you or anyone else are stuck to

1199
01:02:51,079 --> 01:02:52,639
that way of doing things.

1200
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, man, and I understand the distinction

1201
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,280
and why people describe it that way, and I'm not

1202
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,519
I'm not arguing against it. Yeah, because it's one of

1203
01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:02,519
those things we just don't know yet. You know, hopefully

1204
01:03:02,519 --> 01:03:05,519
one day we do know whether there's a difference in

1205
01:03:05,519 --> 01:03:07,599
what that difference is. But yeah, I'm right there with you.

1206
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: In this crazy world. Maybe I have it wrong. Maybe

1207
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,920
every dog man that's ever been reported was actually a werewolf,

1208
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,559
that was a person who had she shifted in that form.

1209
01:03:18,719 --> 01:03:21,239
Speaker 2: Right, we just don't know yet.

1210
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean knowledge. The whole of knowledge begins

1211
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,880
with the words I don't know, and when it comes

1212
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:31,199
down to it, we don't know, So it really is

1213
01:03:31,239 --> 01:03:35,880
anyone else's yes. This next question is from Andrea Sorez,

1214
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,800
and he wants to know have you come across evidence

1215
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:43,239
or witness testimony suggesting official suppression of dogman reports.

1216
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 2: The only place I can point to personally where I've

1217
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,800
run across that potential is the Land between the Lakes,

1218
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,079
and that comes from speaking with mister Martin Groves, who's

1219
01:03:53,119 --> 01:03:55,480
a former police officer who served in that area for

1220
01:03:55,519 --> 01:03:58,480
many years and has had his own encounters with these things,

1221
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:01,679
and also speaking with Jesse and Joe over at Hellbent Holler.

1222
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:05,360
They've spent a significant amount of time, dozens of hours

1223
01:04:05,679 --> 01:04:07,360
in the Land between the Lakes, and they've run across

1224
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,360
some pretty strange stuff. And I don't know if I

1225
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,960
could call it suppression or if it seems to indicate

1226
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,519
just a reticence to talk about it. You know, I've

1227
01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:18,960
said before, if you don't have an interest in bigfoot,

1228
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,920
you don't have time for bigfoot or bigfoot people. And

1229
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,400
I think the same rule applies, you know, with most cryptids,

1230
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:27,920
the general world is not wanting all of us to

1231
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,000
show up at their doorstep and say, I heard there's

1232
01:04:30,239 --> 01:04:33,800
dog man encounters here. So that's the only place where

1233
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,320
I've seen that indicated. And to quote Martin, you know,

1234
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,559
he states that there's an unspoken rule that you don't

1235
01:04:38,599 --> 01:04:40,599
talk about things coming out of the park, you know,

1236
01:04:40,679 --> 01:04:43,480
with regard to some of these stranger things. So if

1237
01:04:43,519 --> 01:04:47,440
that qualifies as suppression, then yes, but that's as far

1238
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:48,360
as I can go with it.

1239
01:04:48,519 --> 01:04:52,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, you talked about being on the ground, boots in

1240
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,480
the ground, talking with people around the LBL. It seems

1241
01:04:56,519 --> 01:04:58,400
to me, and I could be totally wrong about this,

1242
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,559
but it seems to me like the people around the

1243
01:05:00,679 --> 01:05:04,760
LBL don't seem to like talking about the alleged murders

1244
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,960
that have happened there or dog men possibly being there

1245
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,559
in the park period. Is that how it is? Did

1246
01:05:10,599 --> 01:05:12,239
you get that vibe or is it just me?

1247
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a general sentiment amongst the community there

1248
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,280
that you know, it's not what they want to discuss.

1249
01:05:20,039 --> 01:05:21,920
And you could argue that, well, that's because they're part

1250
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,760
of the cover up. I don't think that's the case.

1251
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,480
I think what we're looking at is a lot of

1252
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:29,760
real world things happened in this place. You know. We

1253
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,320
can start with the displacement of those families and people

1254
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:34,719
being moved out of there because they're descendants, many of

1255
01:05:34,719 --> 01:05:37,199
them still live in that area. They're still living people

1256
01:05:37,239 --> 01:05:39,599
who remember being kicked out of their homes. And so

1257
01:05:39,719 --> 01:05:43,320
when pop culture or the internet latches onto something, I

1258
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,519
think we have a tendency to overlook the real world impact,

1259
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,480
you know, and what really goes on in that place.

1260
01:05:49,519 --> 01:05:51,639
And I've actually seen articles online where they interview locals

1261
01:05:51,679 --> 01:05:53,800
that say, yeah, I'm tired of hearing about this story

1262
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:57,280
because people just overlook the reality of this place, you know,

1263
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,280
they forget what actually happened. So that definitely is is

1264
01:06:00,719 --> 01:06:03,000
a sentiment there. But by the same token, there are

1265
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,119
people who are interested in it, who have spent time

1266
01:06:05,159 --> 01:06:07,880
researching it, who are willing to talk about it, and

1267
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:09,679
I've been fortunate enough to meet a few of them,

1268
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:13,000
So you know, both things are true.

1269
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: Well, like I said, I've said it several times, it's

1270
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,800
always good to have an open mind and to not

1271
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:25,280
just jump to a conclusion at first glance. It sounds

1272
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,320
to me like you like to dig into things that

1273
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:31,119
you are dealing with to try and make an informed

1274
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:32,119
opinion about them.

1275
01:06:32,639 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 2: I try to. Yeah, I try to, and I'm probably

1276
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,239
wrong most of the time, but hey, at least least

1277
01:06:38,239 --> 01:06:40,519
I learned some stuff along the way, you know.

1278
01:06:41,199 --> 01:06:44,639
Speaker 1: Well, that's always a good thing. I've got another juicy

1279
01:06:44,679 --> 01:06:47,199
one for you from Neil Decker. Neil wants to know

1280
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,920
what about ancient texts mentioning the sign of Cephale. Do

1281
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:52,760
you think they could have been around as long as

1282
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:54,079
man or longer.

1283
01:06:54,519 --> 01:06:58,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I definitely think this phenomenon has been around

1284
01:06:58,719 --> 01:07:02,079
at least since the early recorded human writings, because we

1285
01:07:02,119 --> 01:07:06,719
have references to upright canine forms in the Babylonian Epic

1286
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:10,719
of Creation the Anuma Eilish, wherein Tiamat, one of the

1287
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:14,440
elder gods of the Mesopotamian pantheon, summoned Roudemu to fight

1288
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:18,280
against Marduk. I didn't rehearse that at all. So no,

1289
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,199
we do see this phenomena mentioned all throughout history, so

1290
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,360
I definitely think it's been around as long as us.

1291
01:07:23,559 --> 01:07:27,119
It's one of our favorite storytelling motifs. As far as

1292
01:07:27,159 --> 01:07:33,719
the Sinuscephali specifically, that's one thing where again This is

1293
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,599
just my opinion, happy to be proven wrong, but I

1294
01:07:37,639 --> 01:07:41,199
think that was a way that people who were not

1295
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:45,559
aware of cultures outside their own were describing other cultures

1296
01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:48,719
when they encountered them. Because there's rumors that Christopher Columbus

1297
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,599
encountered the Sinocephali and you know all that stuff, and

1298
01:07:51,639 --> 01:07:54,039
we know that Christopher Columbus wasn't the most enlightened guy

1299
01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:57,760
out there. So I think and just my opinion, it's

1300
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,000
my opinion that when we're talking about these organized society

1301
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:04,119
of dogmen, I think that was an interpretation by history,

1302
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:08,039
written by the people who wrote history. But I could

1303
01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:10,159
be wrong. I could be very wrong, And I would

1304
01:08:10,199 --> 01:08:14,119
love to see some hard, you know, archaeological evidence that

1305
01:08:14,119 --> 01:08:16,359
points in a different direction. That would make me so happy.

1306
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,560
Speaker 1: That whole Sign of Cephali thing, it sure makes you

1307
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:22,560
wonder how much of that is true, how much of

1308
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:26,439
it isn't. There's so many things about that that I

1309
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:30,640
don't know. I read about this or that regarding the

1310
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,880
Sign of Cephale, and there's a lot of it that

1311
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,039
just doesn't seem that up. But yeah, that might just

1312
01:08:37,039 --> 01:08:38,279
be my opinion. I don't know.

1313
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:44,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, same same the archaeological record. Historical record doesn't support

1314
01:08:45,039 --> 01:08:48,560
the idea of a society existing like that, you know,

1315
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,319
during the accounts that are contemporary to what it's purported

1316
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:53,279
to have existed. That's where I land on it. But

1317
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,800
please prove me wrong, and I'm not being sarcastic. Someone

1318
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:56,640
please prove me wrong.

1319
01:08:57,800 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: No, no, I agree. I mean, if they did exist,

1320
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:03,640
there would be so many more people who would have

1321
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:07,319
known about them and reported their existence. But yeah, that's what.

1322
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,319
Speaker 2: It came into. I would have made it into a

1323
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:11,720
couple more historical texts, I think. I think that would

1324
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:12,439
have been a big deal.

1325
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,239
Speaker 1: So oh, definitely. Yeah, that's why I have a problem

1326
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:19,439
with it. It looks like the next one on deck

1327
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:22,960
is from Jonathan Dodd, and John wants to know does

1328
01:09:23,119 --> 01:09:25,960
Eron have a specific case he'd like to investigate that

1329
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,960
he hasn't had a chance to yet be on the ground.

1330
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, not a specific case. But I would love to

1331
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:35,439
get over to the Carolinas and link up again with

1332
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:40,479
my friends Jesse and Joe because they have gotten dozens

1333
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:44,239
of dog man reports, you know, from witnesses and local

1334
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:47,359
stories that they run across in the area of Appalachia

1335
01:09:47,399 --> 01:09:51,039
around the Carolina's where they investigate, and in my mind

1336
01:09:51,079 --> 01:09:56,199
that's an untapped well of potentially enlightening information. But I'm

1337
01:09:56,279 --> 01:09:58,399
very far from the Carolinas and have not had a

1338
01:09:58,479 --> 01:09:59,399
chance to get over there.

1339
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 1: So well, there's only one of you. You can only

1340
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:08,159
do so much, right, That's right. I've got none of

1341
01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:10,920
the juicy one for you. From ded truth. He wants

1342
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:14,159
to know aran being the dog men or apex predators,

1343
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,520
Why do you think they aren't the majority population? Why

1344
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:21,720
don't they wipe out the beer in cougar populations? Hmm.

1345
01:10:22,159 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 2: That's an interesting question, and that I think points us

1346
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:29,840
possibly towards the biological animal conclusion. This is going to

1347
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,279
be very surface level, but I'm going to explain it

1348
01:10:32,359 --> 01:10:35,600
as best as I understand it. If you disrupt any

1349
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:40,000
local animal population, whether it's predators or prey, that's going

1350
01:10:40,039 --> 01:10:44,399
to have long lasting and potentially catastrophic impacts. If these

1351
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:48,239
entities are animals, and they're a part of their ecosystems

1352
01:10:48,239 --> 01:10:51,079
where they're seen, then they would know better to put

1353
01:10:51,079 --> 01:10:55,600
it simply, Maybe they benefit somehow from some kind of competition.

1354
01:10:56,239 --> 01:10:59,279
Maybe they benefit by having other large animals around that

1355
01:10:59,359 --> 01:11:01,600
allow them to con seal their presence. That's a theory

1356
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:05,239
in the bigfoot world, maybe they hide behind other animals.

1357
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:09,039
But my opinion would be if they're actual animals, they

1358
01:11:09,119 --> 01:11:11,560
just know better for some reason, they know where they

1359
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,239
fit in their ecological niche.

1360
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 1: You know, they're awfully intelligent. Obviously they have a ridiculous

1361
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:21,920
amount of intelligence. They're intelligence in some ways might supersede

1362
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,279
our own. It's really hard to say for sure, but yeah,

1363
01:11:25,359 --> 01:11:27,720
I mean, I don't think they do anything by happenstance.

1364
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,640
I think everything that they do has a reason behind it.

1365
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, these don't seem to be random activities what we

1366
01:11:34,399 --> 01:11:36,840
do here described. Yeah, I agree, Yeah.

1367
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,279
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem to be the case. And I'm not

1368
01:11:39,319 --> 01:11:40,680
sure if you saw it or not, but it looks

1369
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,560
like Quincy Berry just made a comment. Yeah you saw that, okay,

1370
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:46,800
where they said the email deal link to the Potato

1371
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:47,600
creaking Counter.

1372
01:11:48,079 --> 01:11:50,319
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, Quincy. I appreciate that. I will be

1373
01:11:50,359 --> 01:11:51,920
reviewing that post haste.

1374
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,239
Speaker 1: Wanted to make sure you saw that. And the next

1375
01:11:55,359 --> 01:11:57,920
question is, and this is going to be the last

1376
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,720
one I see. We're an hour and twelve and this

1377
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,319
one is from Neo Decker and he wants to know

1378
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:07,039
what about dog men being mentioned in ancient texts from

1379
01:12:07,079 --> 01:12:10,159
Marco Polo, Christopher Columbus, and others.

1380
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's kind of what I was saying

1381
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,640
a second ago. I think if we're talking about like,

1382
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:20,720
you know, oh, they were tribes or cities of dog people,

1383
01:12:21,119 --> 01:12:25,520
I think that was a way that I don't want

1384
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:26,960
to sound like I'm being ugly, but I think that

1385
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,479
was a way that people who are uninformed about the

1386
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:33,359
world outside their own cultures would speak about other people

1387
01:12:33,399 --> 01:12:35,520
when they encountered things they didn't understand. You know, like

1388
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:40,359
people kind of have a history throughout the human historical

1389
01:12:40,399 --> 01:12:44,399
record of referring to other societies as savages. I think

1390
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:46,479
that's kind of what that is. Now. On the other

1391
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:49,720
side of the coin, there are also all these mentions

1392
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,760
in the ancient world of again upright canine forms and

1393
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:57,319
chimeric beings that I think. I think there's something to

1394
01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:00,560
that because that sets the precedent again for people believed

1395
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,359
in these things for thousands and thousands of years. But

1396
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,640
when we're talking about Columbus and Marco Polo, you know,

1397
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:10,640
they didn't view the world in the most enlightened way.

1398
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,119
And I'm not trying to get into any any hot

1399
01:13:13,159 --> 01:13:16,119
button historical stuff. But you know, I think they just

1400
01:13:16,159 --> 01:13:19,239
didn't know how to talk about societies. They didn't understands.

1401
01:13:19,319 --> 01:13:21,079
That's how I want to say that. Yeah, there it is.

1402
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:25,199
Speaker 1: Well, that's undeniable, that's a fact. There are so many

1403
01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:28,680
things about the world around them those people didn't know about. Yeah,

1404
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:32,159
so I think they jumped to conclusions. And there was

1405
01:13:32,199 --> 01:13:34,359
a little bit of fill in the blank there going

1406
01:13:34,359 --> 01:13:37,840
on as well. So yeah, you can only take some

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01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:41,039
of the things that are put into writing that they

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01:13:41,039 --> 01:13:44,520
put out so seriously, a lot of things I'm sure

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01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:46,560
they had right, but I'm sure there was a lot

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01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:48,640
that they had wrong as well. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And a lot of historical stuff is written in allegory.

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01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:53,560
You know, a lot of stuff was written with parables

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01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,039
or hyperbole, So I think there's an element of that too.

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01:13:56,239 --> 01:13:58,319
But you know, great question, great question.

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01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a really good question. Well, before we

1416
01:14:02,039 --> 01:14:04,199
get out of here, Aaron, would you like to do

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01:14:04,279 --> 01:14:06,800
a selfless plug on any of the work that you've

1418
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:08,560
done and do? Yeah?

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01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:12,680
Speaker 2: Sure, feel free please follow small Town Monsters on your

1420
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,880
social media platform of choice. I also happen to be

1421
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,680
our social media manager, so I update all those things.

1422
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:20,439
It's a great way to keep an eye on what

1423
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:23,960
we've got going on. You're welcome to email me Aaron

1424
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,439
at Smalltownmonsters dot com. I always enjoy hearing from people

1425
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:30,039
in the community, you know, whether you're just interested in

1426
01:14:30,079 --> 01:14:32,199
this stuff, whether you've had an encounter, you just want

1427
01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:35,000
to say hi, please don't be a stranger. And then

1428
01:14:35,039 --> 01:14:38,920
you can find me on Instagram at hey underscore strangeness

1429
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,279
if you want to. It's not updated very often, but

1430
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:45,640
that's my little personal web hideout. But beyond that, man,

1431
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:47,640
thank you so much for having me. This is I

1432
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:49,039
don't know if I said this earlier, but I have

1433
01:14:49,319 --> 01:14:51,880
referenced your show as a research point on more than

1434
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:54,920
one occasion. There are episodes in the citations in my books.

1435
01:14:55,199 --> 01:14:57,800
So this is a huge honor. Man, I appreciate it.

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01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 1: All the honor is all mine. I've got a question

1437
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,199
for you before we go, another question, why didn't I

1438
01:15:04,239 --> 01:15:06,479
invite you on the show before? Now? I mean, this

1439
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:08,600
has been so much fun, it's been a blast.

1440
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,399
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. I agree. You know, I think when

1441
01:15:11,399 --> 01:15:14,079
I was getting into this stuff, I didn't know anyone

1442
01:15:14,119 --> 01:15:17,960
that knew you. And I did make a couple attempts

1443
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,039
to find you, but you're very good at, you know,

1444
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,000
staying in the castle. Man, I love it. I wish

1445
01:15:24,039 --> 01:15:26,000
I was as secure online as you are, so I

1446
01:15:26,039 --> 01:15:29,119
gave up and then finally time went by and we

1447
01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:31,680
now have some mutual friends and I think maybe that

1448
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,439
helped get us here. But no, this has been so great, dude,

1449
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:35,279
Thank you so much.

1450
01:15:36,039 --> 01:15:39,279
Speaker 1: Oh no, you're welcome, but the thanks really goes to you.

1451
01:15:39,279 --> 01:15:40,880
You didn't have to come on and do this. I

1452
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,760
really do appreciate you doing this, and of course, thank

1453
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:45,960
you so much for your time. And would you be

1454
01:15:46,039 --> 01:15:49,000
open to coming back down the road please anytime?

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01:15:49,039 --> 01:15:51,199
Speaker 2: My friend, who would be an honor. Absolutely?

1456
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 1: Oh, I'd love that. That's music to my ears. So yeah, yeah,

1457
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:57,920
thank you for your time. Well, if I can ever

1458
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,039
help you down the road, darn please let me I

1459
01:16:00,119 --> 01:16:01,439
know I'd be glad to do that.

1460
01:16:02,279 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 2: Oh for sure, my friend. I got a few things

1461
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:05,920
I'd like to pick your brain on, so I think

1462
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:06,800
that's a matter of when.

1463
01:16:07,399 --> 01:16:11,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, just let me know. That's all you have to do. Well,

1464
01:16:11,159 --> 01:16:13,439
Like I said, thanks again so much for your time.

1465
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:15,840
I really do appreciate it, and I hope you have

1466
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:16,439
a great night.

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01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 2: Yes, sir you as well.

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01:16:18,359 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. We'll see well that's another one in

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01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,720
the books. Thanks again everyone so much for listening. You know,

1470
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,920
I really appreciate it. And also, if you've had a

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01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,920
Dogman encounter of your own that you need help dealing with,

1472
01:16:33,079 --> 01:16:34,640
or maybe you'd want to come on the show and

1473
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:38,319
share your experience or experiences with the listeners, all you

1474
01:16:38,319 --> 01:16:41,119
would need to do is to go to Dogmanencounters dot

1475
01:16:41,159 --> 01:16:44,159
com submit a report, and if you do that, then

1476
01:16:44,399 --> 01:16:47,159
I'll reach out to you to schedule a film consultation

1477
01:16:47,359 --> 01:16:49,680
and that way we can take it from there. But

1478
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,239
having said that, thanks again so much for listening. I

1479
01:16:52,279 --> 01:17:17,760
really appreciate it, and have a great night. Alis