1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: What's going on. Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,519 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:18,719 my daily show prep with all of the links, become 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,399 a patron, go to thepeteclendershow dot com. Make sure you 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,920 hit the subscribe button. Get every episode for free right 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,320 to your smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so 9 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,199 much for your support with us. 10 00:00:29,239 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: Right now. 11 00:00:29,839 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 3: I've held him through the break because he hit on 12 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:33,920 a topic that's near and dear to me, and that 13 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:35,600 has to do with you UNC system. We were talking 14 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,119 about Josh Dye, the now governor Roy Cooper out of 15 00:00:39,119 --> 00:00:40,320 office for the first time in. 16 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 2: Thirty seven years. 17 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 3: I thought it was a little longer than that, but 18 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,280 I think it's thirty seven, is right, and he is 19 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,159 the state director of American Majorities. It was very active, 20 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,119 been very active politically for the past three decades or so. 21 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,039 We share the chagrin of being state fans. We do, 22 00:00:54,159 --> 00:00:56,799 and we've known each other for many, many years. Dallas, welcome. 23 00:00:56,799 --> 00:00:58,679 Thank you for staying through the break. And when we 24 00:00:58,719 --> 00:01:01,359 went to the break, you had alluded to something about 25 00:01:01,399 --> 00:01:04,519 the UNC system schools and what's going on there that 26 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,719 Josh Stein the legislature may find some common ground because, 27 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,640 and I'll add to this, we know that enrollment numbers 28 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,159 are down across the board. We know that they haven't 29 00:01:13,159 --> 00:01:15,760 recovered since COVID. We know that you can get a 30 00:01:15,799 --> 00:01:18,159 lot of college credit at the community colleges. So there's 31 00:01:18,239 --> 00:01:20,200 there's a lot of things that were created that made 32 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,799 it easier for students to get an education through a 33 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,040 four year university without having to go to the university. 34 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 4: Well, and I think, you know, kind of ref broadly, 35 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,840 I was thinking about this. You know, it is true 36 00:01:36,239 --> 00:01:39,920 that you know, no excuse me. Roy Cooper was first 37 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:41,879 elected to the State House, you know, I mean he's 38 00:01:41,879 --> 00:01:45,840 been in office thirty some years. He was first elected, 39 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,519 well it would have been in nineteen eighty six, so 40 00:01:52,599 --> 00:01:56,040 he served in the state House the last two years 41 00:01:56,519 --> 00:02:00,640 that Ronald Reagan was president. You know, went on in 42 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,719 the state House, serving the state Senate attorney general. And 43 00:02:03,799 --> 00:02:07,599 if you look at that thirty seven years even now, 44 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,719 two thirds of his time, which all became at the 45 00:02:12,759 --> 00:02:18,599 beginning of his career, Democrats controlled everything, right, I mean, 46 00:02:18,879 --> 00:02:21,960 it was only in the two thousands, which was twenty 47 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:26,599 four years ago, when Shari Berry as Labor Commissioner broke 48 00:02:26,719 --> 00:02:32,719 through and fined a count two governors up to that point, 49 00:02:33,039 --> 00:02:36,400 you know, and it took another sixteen years before Republicans 50 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,039 captured a majority on the Council of State. I just 51 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,319 always had this sense that one of the problems that 52 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,680 Roy Cooper had is that when Republicans took over the 53 00:02:46,759 --> 00:02:50,240 legislature in twenty and ten, and you know, they had 54 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,000 a you know, one term governor of McCrory. You know, 55 00:02:53,039 --> 00:02:56,319 he was Attorney general during that time. His attitude was 56 00:02:56,319 --> 00:03:00,639 that Republicans don't belong. That the national state of things 57 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:04,800 was that Democrats was supposed to run North Carolina in perpetuity. 58 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,439 Speaker 3: And the irony is that's on the heels of Mark 59 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,000 bass Night and Jim Black, you know, Jim Black who 60 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,520 went to jail and a horrific period of time, even 61 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,199 to where Mike Easley, you know, gets gets drummed out 62 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,039 in a way. So yeah, he even though there was 63 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,400 levels of corruption, Frank Ballance, the congressman, his son, Frank 64 00:03:23,439 --> 00:03:26,800 Balance Junior, all these Democrats either went to jail, got 65 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,879 fined or in disrepute and yet still thinks Republicans shouldn't 66 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:32,840 be in office, whchim Or hated. 67 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 4: The Democrats in North Carolina held on and is still 68 00:03:35,599 --> 00:03:40,080 held on much much longer than other states in the 69 00:03:40,159 --> 00:03:44,800 South that you know, you know, Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, 70 00:03:45,439 --> 00:03:47,879 you know the Mississippi. All that you know is all 71 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,360 totally Republicans. But my point is is that you know, 72 00:03:51,479 --> 00:03:54,199 Josh Stein was first elected in two thousand and seven 73 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,520 or two thousand and nine, so he has come up 74 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:02,199 when Republicans have been in charge of a lot more 75 00:04:02,199 --> 00:04:04,400 in Raleigh and are going to continue to be I mean, 76 00:04:04,439 --> 00:04:07,400 we have this very bizarre system. You know that we 77 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,680 don't have co equal branches of government. I have to 78 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,039 tell people all the time that Schoolhouse Rocket that you 79 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,240 watched about co equal branches. After federal system. The policy 80 00:04:17,319 --> 00:04:19,600 making and the people that run state government are in 81 00:04:19,639 --> 00:04:24,279 the legislature. The constitution, although eventually adopted by the people, 82 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,759 was written by the legislature. The governor in North Carolina 83 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,720 was so irrelevant at the turn of the eighteenth or 84 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,600 the seventeen and they seventeen eighteen hundreds that the term 85 00:04:33,639 --> 00:04:36,680 of governor was one year and they just flipped it 86 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,639 back and forth between east and west. Now, the governor 87 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,639 has grown stronger over the years, but it is still 88 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,120 one of the weakest governors in America, and the legislature 89 00:04:46,199 --> 00:04:50,680 is the strongest. So if you want to accomplish things 90 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:55,560 that actually make a long term lasting impact and go 91 00:04:55,639 --> 00:04:58,680 beyond politics, you have to work with the Republican legislature. 92 00:04:58,720 --> 00:04:59,399 You have no choice. 93 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:00,879 Speaker 2: Now, well, it's a. 94 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 3: Good it's a good deal for patronage. Wait wait, wait, Dallas, Dallas, 95 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,839 who park? Now it didn't mean to be brewed there, 96 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,120 but I was just trying to get a question in 97 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,079 because we're trying to get to education, uh, the college stuff. 98 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,879 And also it's a great way to give people patron 99 00:05:14,959 --> 00:05:16,879 his jobs. Though it's a lot of patron is Josh 100 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,360 from the governor's office too. 101 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 4: We'll serve that's always been the case. 102 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't disagree with what you say. 103 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 4: And and the governor has an important role, but it's 104 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,560 just when it comes to the power dynamic, the policy making, 105 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,199 and so the direction of the state is largely set 106 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,879 by the legislature, especially they are of opposite side. I mean, 107 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:43,519 I think, I think, I think Josh Stein can accomplish 108 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,839 a lot more than Mary Cooper did, who will largely 109 00:05:45,879 --> 00:05:49,480 be forgotten in the history books. I mean, you know, 110 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,560 Pat McCrory has been gone for a long time, served 111 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,639 one term, but you know has policy accomplishments. Now, granted, 112 00:05:55,639 --> 00:05:58,199 he had a Republican legislature to work with, but it 113 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,439 came to tax cuts, it came to school choice, that 114 00:06:00,519 --> 00:06:05,519 came to reforming the unemployment system to workers' compensation. I 115 00:06:05,519 --> 00:06:08,480 mean stuff that North Caroline is still operating on and 116 00:06:08,519 --> 00:06:11,800 will be for decades. You know, Cooper not only did 117 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:13,560 he not end up with any of that, he didn't 118 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,040 even really try in a lot of ways because it 119 00:06:16,079 --> 00:06:19,480 was politically good just to beat up on the Republican legislature. 120 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,720 He was re elected by easy numbers. Uh, he paved 121 00:06:23,759 --> 00:06:27,000 the way for Josh Stein to come in and fairly 122 00:06:27,079 --> 00:06:32,519 easy fashion. But again, Stein has a choice. He can 123 00:06:32,639 --> 00:06:37,720 oppose the Republicans, and and he should when he believes 124 00:06:37,759 --> 00:06:41,279 it's of critical importance, when it's the most important thing 125 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,720 and it's a dividing line between the parties. 126 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 3: But what do you think happenstalls it on the uncle. 127 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 4: Let me just say that one final lesson Josh Stein 128 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,560 should learn with Roy Cooper never did, and that is, 129 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,160 for the most part, you can delay what the Republican 130 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,120 legislature want, but eventually they get it. 131 00:07:00,399 --> 00:07:02,959 Speaker 3: I mean, what happens. What do you think you had 132 00:07:03,079 --> 00:07:05,839 ended the last hour on UNC. What do you think 133 00:07:05,879 --> 00:07:08,120 happens there with the erosion of students? 134 00:07:09,199 --> 00:07:11,839 Speaker 4: I don't know, because and there's some really smart people 135 00:07:11,839 --> 00:07:14,040 that are on the UNC board. I just think we've 136 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,120 got to find a way to make the universities can 137 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,920 thrive again. If they start putting a product out that 138 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,800 educates people, gets the wokenness out of the university, that 139 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:33,759 gets a quality, classical, liberal based education back in the classroom, 140 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:36,879 and provides a product that people want to buy. 141 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 3: That's a good way to say it. 142 00:07:39,399 --> 00:07:40,199 Speaker 2: I would agree with that. 143 00:07:40,279 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 3: I mean, I think that that's what they've got to 144 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,800 get back to. There's so many different things that happened 145 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,519 through COVID and since and the way people look at 146 00:07:46,519 --> 00:07:48,680 this and the wokeism and the DEI stuff. I mean, 147 00:07:48,839 --> 00:07:50,839 it was iconic to see Chapel Hill students. You and 148 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:52,680 I were both amazed when they got up and put 149 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,040 the American flag back up on the campus. We were like, hey, wait, 150 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,959 that's beautiful. We never would have expected that, but Dallas. 151 00:07:58,959 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 4: Ultimately, really we should be in a situation where that's 152 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,160 not even news or not even. 153 00:08:03,959 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 3: Right surprise, true, you got it. 154 00:08:06,439 --> 00:08:08,959 Speaker 4: And the other thing is long term is the university 155 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,519 has got to probably look at some you know, consolidations. 156 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,120 I mean, you know, it's very politically you know, difficult, 157 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,000 and I don't know that you'll ever get over to politics, 158 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:19,560 but I mean, would it would it make more sense 159 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:25,079 to consolidate you know, you and ce Assville and and. 160 00:08:24,639 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 3: And Western Carolina. But you've made three they've they've they've 161 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,000 made three of them. They took three of them and 162 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,240 made them basically free. They had an opportunity to get 163 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:35,759 rid of Elizabeth City and do something with Pembroke and 164 00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:38,120 Western with Elaina, but there's nothing, not many people want 165 00:08:38,159 --> 00:08:39,679 to go there. And they made it five hundred dollars 166 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,720 like a year, and those universities are just still not 167 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:43,279 doing well. 168 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 2: So you're right. 169 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,759 Speaker 3: I hope they have the temerity to do that. But Dallas, 170 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,480 thanks for being a part of the broadcast. 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That's 188 00:09:49,279 --> 00:09:52,399 Create a video dot Com now. 189 00:09:52,399 --> 00:09:54,639 Speaker 3: I do want to comment on one thing that Dallas said, 190 00:09:54,639 --> 00:09:57,600 and though I love having disagreements with Dallas, always have 191 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,759 and of particular import though, was his observation about our 192 00:10:02,799 --> 00:10:06,559 new governor Josh Stein. The difference between Josh Stein and Cooper, 193 00:10:06,759 --> 00:10:10,039 and this is worth repeating, is that Cooper came through 194 00:10:10,039 --> 00:10:14,320 a time when Democrats it was, it was that Republicans 195 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:18,120 were an afterthought. So Cooper comes into office in the eighties, 196 00:10:18,159 --> 00:10:20,879 Republicans are irrelevant. Most counties don't even have an organized 197 00:10:20,919 --> 00:10:25,320 Republican party. They've had a governor in Jim Martin, but 198 00:10:25,639 --> 00:10:28,919 that's about it. That Holsauser in the early seventies during 199 00:10:28,919 --> 00:10:32,080 the Nixon time, and then Martin, but that's about it 200 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:36,480 until you get to Governor McCrory. Democrats dominated from Jim 201 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:43,240 Hunt through you know, Bev Perdue and Mike Easley and all. 202 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:44,919 Speaker 2: Of them, and then this one. 203 00:10:45,039 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 3: So Democrats just owned the state. They did what they 204 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,120 wanted to and which is why the level of corruption 205 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,159 became so intense when you had people like Jim Black 206 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,600 that you know, this pay for play politics stuff goes jail. 207 00:10:55,639 --> 00:10:58,679 Mark bass Knight most people now remember, you know Mark 208 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,000 bass Knight building a four lane highway right to his 209 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,120 restaurant on the Outer Banks. It's just hard to believe 210 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,759 that kind of stuff happened, and it happened with the 211 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,360 kind of wink wink, nudge nudge of the News and Observer, 212 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,840 Charlotte Observer and WRAL Capital Broadcasting. 213 00:11:10,799 --> 00:11:12,639 Speaker 2: They all kind of like, oh, this is normal. 214 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,879 Speaker 3: But that's where Cooper. Cooper came in from eastern North Carolina, 215 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,200 from Governor Jim Hunt world not too far Hunt from 216 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,639 Wilson and Cooper from the Nash County Rocky Mount area 217 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,399 right next door Barbecue Country and these, you know. So 218 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:34,960 his never never believed that Republicans should be having a 219 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,279 seat at the table, not believing that Republicans should be 220 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,120 relevant in state politics. That was his world. I mean, 221 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,799 so when he came in, the biggest shock to Cooper 222 00:11:44,879 --> 00:11:48,159 had to be they didn't have the House or the Senate. 223 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,240 The entire time he's in office, he's largely irrelevant. He 224 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,879 came from the legislature, he knew the power of the legislature, 225 00:11:54,879 --> 00:11:57,600 and he had been made largely irrelevant because the citizens 226 00:11:57,639 --> 00:12:00,240 of North Carolina put Republicans in place. By the way, 227 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,039 under maps jerrymanderd by Cooper and his colleagues. 228 00:12:03,919 --> 00:12:04,919 Speaker 2: There's the irony there. 229 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,759 Speaker 3: So Josh Stein comes to power as the Attorney General. 230 00:12:08,919 --> 00:12:11,519 Later on he gets into the General Assembly as Republicans 231 00:12:11,519 --> 00:12:14,960 are taking over the state. So his view of Republicans 232 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,600 is very different. I mean, some of his time was 233 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,000 spent while in the majority. Then he becomes Attorney General 234 00:12:20,039 --> 00:12:25,600 eight years ago and moving on, he basically was hired 235 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,120 by Cooper into the Attorney General office. They aligned the 236 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,120 dominoes so you could take over Morgan Jackson. Dawast referred 237 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,440 to Morgan Jackson by the way, and I had done 238 00:12:34,519 --> 00:12:38,039 a number of TV appearances with Jackson on Spectrum Cable 239 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,480 with Tim Boy and really at stellar individual. Morgan Jackson 240 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,879 also a UNCW alum like myself undergraduate side of things. 241 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,559 But Jackson is a very pragmatic guy who knows how 242 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:55,039 to read the tea leaves, how to strategically and if 243 00:12:55,039 --> 00:12:57,440 you ever watched I don't know The Good Wife, a 244 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,279 TV show, you can get it on Prime now. I 245 00:12:59,279 --> 00:13:00,919 think it's more popular now that it was on TV 246 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,919 that the character of Eli Gold could have easily been 247 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:06,399 modeled after. 248 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 2: Well, Morgan Jackson easily. 249 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,639 Speaker 3: Eli Gold could easily have been modeled after Morgan Jackson 250 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,240 is kind of interesting, so just worth knowing there. So 251 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,000 he's very pragmatic, he's extremely strategic, and he doesn't hate 252 00:13:22,039 --> 00:13:24,320 the Republicans the way Cooper did. And so I do 253 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,519 do think that Josh Stein will find a different path 254 00:13:28,039 --> 00:13:31,000 than Roy Cooper did. Just my observation worth knowing you 255 00:13:31,039 --> 00:13:32,799 may have a different opinion of that seven oh four five, 256 00:13:32,879 --> 00:13:34,960 seven to eleven ten if you do, or you want 257 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,559 to comment on what happened in New Orleans. 258 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,039 Speaker 2: I just thought it was worth mentioning that those two 259 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:40,879 things had happened. 260 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,919 Speaker 3: Now, excuse me for a pardon me for the hesitation 261 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:45,720 there for a second, but a deer had walked by us. 262 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,000 So I was just kind of completely distracted by that 263 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,279 for those out of the blue in the middle of 264 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,120 the day. Not a sick one either, it was a 265 00:13:51,159 --> 00:13:53,200 really healthy one. I think was a I think it 266 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,799 was ordering. It was ordered on DoorDash. I think it's 267 00:13:55,799 --> 00:13:57,000 getting some food from door dash. 268 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,519 Speaker 2: It's a deer become very advanced these days. 269 00:14:00,279 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 3: By the way, Josh Stein should be holding a press 270 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,279 conference about right now. It should have started probably about 271 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,399 ten minutes ago. Most people believe his first executive order 272 00:14:07,759 --> 00:14:10,480 will be something to do with Hurricane Helene relief. I 273 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,279 think Roy Cooper is taking on the chin with a 274 00:14:12,279 --> 00:14:15,080 lot of criticism, especially from the right, about his actions 275 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,399 toward what happened in western North Carolina. I think Josh 276 00:14:17,399 --> 00:14:20,120 Steinel will strike a different cord. There's still a lot 277 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,320 of need for help. You heard that here at WT 278 00:14:22,519 --> 00:14:25,000 raising money trying to help the folks in western North Klina. 279 00:14:25,039 --> 00:14:27,320 It is a third World country in many parts, and 280 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,440 it's weird if you travel through that area. 281 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:30,679 Speaker 2: Because what you will find. 282 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 3: You will go through one area and you know, one 283 00:14:33,039 --> 00:14:38,919 side of the mountain, it looks just remarkable. I appreciate 284 00:14:38,919 --> 00:14:41,559 the staff, thanks for the commentary. On one side of 285 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,039 the mountain, you'll look up and it looks normal, it 286 00:14:44,039 --> 00:14:47,480 looks like it would have in any january heading to 287 00:14:47,519 --> 00:14:50,559 the mountains. And yet you take a turn and the 288 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:52,720 other side because of the where the water fell and 289 00:14:52,759 --> 00:14:56,000 how it just rolls down the hill, it's just completely destroyed. 290 00:14:56,039 --> 00:15:00,000 And so it is this hid and miss beautiful third 291 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,159 it's beautiful and then a third World country, roads, bridges 292 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,799 under just destroyed. So it is still difficult to get 293 00:15:07,799 --> 00:15:10,480 around parts of western North Calop. I still predict the 294 00:15:10,519 --> 00:15:14,639 resiliency will amaze folks at when it does come back 295 00:15:14,679 --> 00:15:16,240 and how strong it comes back, and how many people 296 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,960 are still going to want to go, whether it's a 297 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,159 biltmore or the ski resorts, you know, sugar, getting up 298 00:15:22,159 --> 00:15:25,519 to Grandfather Mountain and getting to all areas of the mountains. 299 00:15:25,559 --> 00:15:27,919 Speaker 2: I think the tourism will come roaring back and. 300 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,559 Speaker 3: Still be a remarkable place to go. 301 00:15:29,679 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: All right, hey, real quick, if you would like to 302 00:15:31,639 --> 00:15:34,440 get your product or service in front of about ten 303 00:15:34,519 --> 00:15:37,440 thousand people multiple times a day, send me an email 304 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,679 at Pete at the peteclendarshow dot com and ask me 305 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:45,120 about advertising. 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That's Pete at the peteclendarshow dot 311 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:00,480 com and. 312 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,519 Speaker 3: As always looking forward to Pete Calender being back at 313 00:16:02,519 --> 00:16:03,799 the Helm does a stellar job. 314 00:16:03,919 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 2: WBT the the talk station. 315 00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 3: In North Carolina, that the best that has persisted, the 316 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,879 best that has overcome obstacles, the best of having a 317 00:16:13,919 --> 00:16:17,440 diverse audience in spite of being conservative. 318 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,759 Speaker 2: Talk radio and and tolerating like I could. 319 00:16:19,799 --> 00:16:22,039 Speaker 3: I can absolutely say I'm not a big fan of 320 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,799 people saying that the government was supposed to be secular. 321 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,559 Speaker 2: We saw that, you heard that advertisement. I completely disagree 322 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:28,879 with them. 323 00:16:28,919 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 3: It was if you look at it, the people who 324 00:16:31,279 --> 00:16:34,559 created this country, it wasn't it wasn't secular. It was 325 00:16:34,639 --> 00:16:36,720 not at all, and in fact, they were more worried 326 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,200 about organized religion taking over. But it was extremely inspired 327 00:16:40,919 --> 00:16:43,759 by a creator. And you know, in God we trust 328 00:16:43,799 --> 00:16:46,559 and you are you're endowed by your creator with certain 329 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,879 inalienable rights. This is a big part of the creation 330 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,080 of this country. So people trying to reshape that they're 331 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:52,840 just wrong. 332 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,519 Speaker 2: And that's the I think. 333 00:16:54,799 --> 00:16:58,639 Speaker 3: It's okay for folks to start pointing out when folks 334 00:16:58,639 --> 00:17:02,879 are just wrong. You know, even economically speaking, we've seen 335 00:17:02,919 --> 00:17:05,880 where people like Paul Krugman and a lot of these leftists, 336 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:07,160 they've just been wrong. 337 00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 5: We know. 338 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,519 Speaker 3: That's when they created the Poverty Center NC. 339 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 2: We don't need to. 340 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 3: Spend millions of dollars studying you know what causes poverty. 341 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 2: We know what causes poverty. 342 00:17:18,279 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 3: There's two or three big things, like, you know, not 343 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,480 getting pregnant before you get out of college and get 344 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,920 a job, not you know, not doing drugs. Now, there's 345 00:17:27,039 --> 00:17:29,519 just certain things you know, if you don't do these things, 346 00:17:29,559 --> 00:17:32,480 your odds on being successful in life are dramatically better. 347 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,599 Speaker 2: What we ought to be teaching, we ought to have 348 00:17:34,839 --> 00:17:35,119 a U. 349 00:17:35,279 --> 00:17:35,519 Speaker 4: N C. 350 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 3: Wealth Center, uh And in other words, looking at ways 351 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,240 that people create wealth through themselves at a variety, in 352 00:17:41,279 --> 00:17:45,000 a thousand different ways. It's not hard. I mean, it's challenging, 353 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,480 but not unachievable being being poverty stricten. 354 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:51,039 Speaker 2: We know the things. There's two or three just you 355 00:17:51,039 --> 00:17:53,799 know that are that are basic. 356 00:17:54,079 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 3: So and I had a listener during the break that 357 00:17:57,759 --> 00:17:59,160 were actually while I was on the air. I just 358 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,119 didn't see it till that it asked me about Jeff Jackson. 359 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,440 He's the fourteenth from the fourteenth congressional district in and 360 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,480 around our viewing area here, the southern part of the 361 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,359 tier of Mecklenburg County, extending kind of east and west 362 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,720 from that center line. And he's now the new attorney general. 363 00:18:14,319 --> 00:18:17,720 And he's been he's got like two million followers on TikTok. 364 00:18:17,759 --> 00:18:21,160 He has done a he's fairly young, he is a veteran. 365 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:25,799 He is someone who has been very engaging. He ran 366 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,559 for the position he ran against, or they ran against 367 00:18:29,599 --> 00:18:32,839 each other. Dan Bishom also in Congress, and he ran. 368 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,400 He's there's so many different ways to say this. Jeff 369 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:43,160 Jackson very engaging, not known for sweeping political rhetoric and 370 00:18:43,519 --> 00:18:47,160 his voting record in spite of assertions to the contrary. 371 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,079 And it's gonna sound like I'm being very friendly, but 372 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,400 my job is to kind of be truthful. Excuse me 373 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,440 to always be truthful, especially with you. Jackson is on 374 00:18:56,799 --> 00:18:58,599 the political spectrum. If you were to look to look 375 00:18:58,599 --> 00:19:01,000 at all members of Congress, and several people have done this, 376 00:19:01,599 --> 00:19:05,440 He's considered a purple Democrat. He is considered a center 377 00:19:05,759 --> 00:19:10,759 moderate Democrat. In fact, they're only about see three for 378 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,359 about seven eight members of Congress that are Democrats that 379 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:19,599 are further to the right than he is. The rest 380 00:19:19,599 --> 00:19:21,160 of them are way to the left compared to him. 381 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,839 He's much more aligned. In fact, they are at least 382 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,200 two Republicans that are kind of aligned to the left 383 00:19:27,319 --> 00:19:30,240 of Jeff Jackson. He's going to be the next attorney general, 384 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,839 where he has sworn things, what he's said he will do. 385 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:35,839 He is, like I said the news and I can't 386 00:19:35,839 --> 00:19:38,359 think of an attorney general we've really had in North 387 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,440 Glais Republican right off fan. I'd have to look it up, 388 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,240 but I don't think there's been one in my lifetime. 389 00:19:42,319 --> 00:19:45,079 Maybe one back in the eighteen hundreds, I think. But 390 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,400 he said he wants to go after he wants to 391 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,559 go after public corruption. Now that's interesting because when he 392 00:19:51,599 --> 00:19:54,799 came to office, you know, he was on the heels 393 00:19:54,839 --> 00:19:58,880 of some of the largest political scandals in our state's 394 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,359 history west the modern times, where you had people like 395 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:03,559 Jim Black, and I mentioned it. 396 00:20:03,599 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 2: I don't mean to delabor. 397 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,279 Speaker 3: This, but the corruption was very well known in the 398 00:20:07,279 --> 00:20:10,119 General Assembly when Mark Bass Knight and Tony Ran ran 399 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,559 the Senate and Jim Black ran the House, and there 400 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:15,799 were high levels of corruption there. Frank Balance, who was 401 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,680 a judge, and his son, a congressman, Frank Bounce Junior. 402 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,640 I think they went to jail. That all of these 403 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:27,400 democrats were, you know, absolutely power had corrupted them at 404 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,240 the highest level, even Mike Easily with the Cannon's Gate stuff. 405 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,440 You know, he kind of left and went away and 406 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:35,440 wasn't even allowed to practice law after that. His son, 407 00:20:35,519 --> 00:20:39,480 by the way, is now a US attorney prosecuting folks, 408 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,240 and now he's on a big hunt. I don't know 409 00:20:41,279 --> 00:20:42,759 if it's a witch hunter or not, but certainly he's 410 00:20:42,799 --> 00:20:45,759 looking at some goings on in the General Assembly. But 411 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:50,400 Jackson is trying to carve out a niche as a 412 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,880 fighter of public corruption. Do I believe that he is 413 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,400 trying to set himself up. I think that the term 414 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:01,799 aspiring governor is not an accident. We saw this with 415 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,920 Roy Cooper aspiring to know. We saw this with Mike. 416 00:21:05,039 --> 00:21:08,000 Mike Easley was the age who becomes governor. We see 417 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,079 this with Josh Stein, who's the age aspiring governor becomes governor. 418 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,440 We've now seen it with Josh Stein. The aspiring governor 419 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,799 attorney general becomes governor. And Jeff Jackson is young enough, 420 00:21:18,079 --> 00:21:20,920 he's he's going to have the resume, and as long 421 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,720 as he doesn't have a significant fall, he's going to 422 00:21:23,759 --> 00:21:26,279 be in eight years. Should Josh Stein remain, it's very 423 00:21:26,279 --> 00:21:29,720 difficult to unsee the governor. And I don't know four 424 00:21:29,799 --> 00:21:34,400 years as a political millennia. As far as elections go, 425 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,519 the Democrats are doing in the state of North Carolina 426 00:21:37,599 --> 00:21:44,000 a remarkable job of carving themselves into office. They've got 427 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:49,079 relatively young people, they've got gaining good experience, building resumes, 428 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,440 and the Republicans are kind of back up against a 429 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,400 wall on this because Tim Moore leaves. Tim Moore had 430 00:21:55,599 --> 00:21:58,160 created a path in the legislature. 431 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 2: That I think made him unviable statewide. 432 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:02,319 Speaker 3: I mean, there were a lot of people and some 433 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,319 of the stuff he got involved in made him look 434 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:05,200 less than stellar. 435 00:22:05,319 --> 00:22:05,839 Speaker 2: Still does. 436 00:22:06,319 --> 00:22:08,839 Speaker 3: Some of those court documents are just unbelievable about him. 437 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,920 And yeah, I don't see Phil Berger running for governor. 438 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,559 He's probably the most powerful politician in the state running 439 00:22:15,599 --> 00:22:18,680 the Senate. And as Dallas Woodowse said earlier, we are. 440 00:22:18,599 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 2: A legislative state. The legislature is all powerful. 441 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 3: But on the executive side of things, lieutenant governor is 442 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,680 a Democrat, the governor's a Democrat. 443 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 2: The Attorney General is a Democrat. 444 00:22:29,039 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 3: They've set themselves up, They've set themselves up to have 445 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,720 a good reign, and they've got a lot of folks now. Nationally, 446 00:22:36,759 --> 00:22:38,559 I think the Republicans are doing a much better job 447 00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:42,799 of this. The gerontology side of things, the aging orthopedic 448 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,920 side of Congress is definitely Democrat heavy on the age thing. 449 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,799 A lot of people in the national stage look good 450 00:22:47,799 --> 00:22:50,519 and appealing and charrismatic for Republicans, after Donald Trump. 451 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 2: But in North. 452 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:56,599 Speaker 3: Carolina there is a unless somebody starts rising to the 453 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,599 occasion with respect to charisma and name id. Democrats have 454 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,640 got a lock on a lot of the executive's branch 455 00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:05,119 for a long time. Now, Dennis, you've been on hold. 456 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,039 If you're still there, I hope you are. Thank you 457 00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:08,640 for calling in today. How the heck are you? 458 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,039 Speaker 2: And welcome to the show. 459 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 5: Thank you very much. I was going to give you 460 00:23:13,759 --> 00:23:18,119 a prime example of what people when people don't do 461 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,119 what they said they were doing. I was a county 462 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,160 commissioner in Union County, which is right to the south 463 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,359 of y'all. We have what we considered to be one 464 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:32,160 of the best sheriff departments in North Carolina, Tarifetti Cathy, 465 00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:38,000 And when I went into office, we could only take 466 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:44,160 ten you know, one of his advertisements was he cleared 467 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,960 the rate kates back law. When I went in, we 468 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:53,279 could only take ten things for the crime lab ben 469 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,400 Raleigh to solve per month, and you pay six hundred 470 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:04,599 dollars each for this. And so we solved the problem 471 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:09,400 there and we fixed it. Our sheriff came to us 472 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,559 with a plan. We have our own crime lab in 473 00:24:12,599 --> 00:24:17,640 our shift's department. Now we have nationally certified CRAM analysis 474 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,400 working on it, and you know it pays a big 475 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,559 dividend because it clears our court calendar quicker. But my 476 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:30,000 whole point there, Roy Cooper was attorney general before Josh Stein, 477 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:34,759 and they just they only hurried up when it benefited them. 478 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,200 And then we also ran into a problem. We used 479 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:44,519 to take all our bodies for autopsy to Charlotte. Well, 480 00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:47,960 Charlotte was so overworked, we got bumped and we was 481 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,960 having to take on to Raleigh and it involved a 482 00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:53,759 deputy having to carry it up there because you have 483 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,640 to be real careful about chain of custody. So Union 484 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,720 County is also through the sheriffs now doing all topsies too. 485 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,039 I mean, Raleigh just basically waned this off of everything 486 00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:09,680 that they could do for us. And if Josh Stein, 487 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,200 you know, he's the leading law enforcement officer in North Carolina. 488 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,799 He has as much power on crime when he was 489 00:25:17,839 --> 00:25:22,880 attorney general than the governor does. And he sure did 490 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,000 when he could. So I don't believe that he thinks 491 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:26,400 he don't. 492 00:25:27,759 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 3: No, I'm not trying to cut you off as trying 493 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,279 to respond a little bit, and that as you're right. 494 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,519 I think Roy Cooper, who was Attorney General for a 495 00:25:35,599 --> 00:25:39,000 much longer period of time and had that rape blog 496 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,279 problem when he was there, acted like he did something 497 00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:42,599 about it. 498 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 2: He didn't, He really didn't. 499 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 3: He becomes governor of the media doesn't pay any attention 500 00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:50,000 to anything that he did as attorney general. He just 501 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,880 ascends to the throne on the heels of HB two. 502 00:25:54,039 --> 00:25:56,039 This this bill that if it were trying to be 503 00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:58,039 passed today, would be very popular, but back then it 504 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,279 was controversial and horrific, and the woke crowds of North 505 00:26:01,319 --> 00:26:04,279 gone and went ballistic. And that's Roy Cooper played it 506 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,039 beautifully to become governor while no one was paying attention 507 00:26:08,039 --> 00:26:10,960 to what he actually accomplished. So then josh Stein becomes 508 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,079 the age gets the rape backlog, claims he cleared it, 509 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,279 which had a lot to do with legislative things that changed. 510 00:26:16,519 --> 00:26:20,559 But you're right, did josh Stein really alleviate a lot 511 00:26:20,759 --> 00:26:23,599 or did a lot of law enforcement agencies, especially sheriff's 512 00:26:23,599 --> 00:26:26,039 departments across the state, who have had to assume a 513 00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:28,799 lot more power in the past one hundred years. I mean, 514 00:26:28,839 --> 00:26:31,000 they were supposed to serve papers and run the courts, 515 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,160 you know, when they were originally designed, but they've become 516 00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:35,519 huge law enforcement agencies across the state. 517 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 2: They had to be creative in dealing. 518 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,599 Speaker 3: With, like you said, big city autopsy problem backups. Greensborough 519 00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:44,319 had some of that, Rawley's had that, and then deal 520 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,039 with the Attorney General's office and find workarounds to get 521 00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:50,920 stuff done. And so now we have Jeff Jackson and 522 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,880 we'll see. But the media ignores the accomplishments of the 523 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,960 Attorney General's office and just I don't want to say 524 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,319 they sweep it under the rug. I don't think they 525 00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:00,839 fully understand what goes on there. 526 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,839 Speaker 5: Well, that's why I wanted to call in the sheriff 527 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,240 in Union County. He had a problem and he fixed it. 528 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,039 You know, he got his own crime lab and it 529 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:16,680 takes a lot of effort on a sheriff part. Now, 530 00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:19,920 I want to tell you something that's amazing. We actually 531 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,920 got some equipment donated to us from Ourdale County, brand 532 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,799 new equipment and their Republican controlled board up there. But 533 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,640 they've got a democratic attorney general, I mean d a 534 00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:38,680 district attorney, and the district attorney told the sheriff's department 535 00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:42,559 she wouldn't accept anything that came out of his crime 536 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:48,720 lab to the sheriff. I mean, that's how sick it 537 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,279 is that the average we got over two hundred thousand 538 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:56,519 dollars worth equipment from Ardale County. Now, I'm sure our 539 00:27:56,599 --> 00:28:00,839 sheriff will be mindful of that when he's starts doing 540 00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:07,279 crime kids or Ourdale County. In other words, they gave 541 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,440 us something, we owe them something back, you know, right, 542 00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:14,640 But for the district attorney to say you can do 543 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,920 all the crime labors you want to, I won't accept 544 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,720 your findings in Ourdale County court. 545 00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:25,319 Speaker 3: Well, Dennis, I appreciate you calling and sharing that, because 546 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,880 you're right, a lot of this stuff it doesn't get covered. 547 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 2: People aren't aware of it happening. 548 00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:30,039 Speaker 3: That was an. 549 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 2: Interesting note about cooperation. 550 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 3: Between Irodale and Union that I was unaware of with 551 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,839 respect to to moving resources. That's highly unusual for counties 552 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,599 taxpayers to say I'm okay with you moving resources to 553 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,000 another county without some kind of blow up down and 554 00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:46,200 there are parts of the world down east where Republicans, 555 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,519 you know, waste a lot of money on helicopters and 556 00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:51,319 all sorts of fancy toys and hovercrafts and everything else 557 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,160 without a lot of accountability. There is rarely a great 558 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,119 deal of accountability at the local courthouse. 559 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 2: And that's that's sad. 560 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 3: But that's also because we have so many places where 561 00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:05,440 media doesn't that that there. There are dark media holes 562 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,480 throughout North Carolina where there's just nobody that has the 563 00:29:08,519 --> 00:29:11,039 resources to cover what's going on at the local courthouse. 564 00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:13,279 But Dennis, you just reached a huge audience, and I 565 00:29:13,319 --> 00:29:14,359 appreciate you calling in. 566 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,359 Speaker 5: Hey, one more thing I want. I don't yes light 567 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:24,200 Cabarras County. We have great cooperation with them, uh Stanley County, 568 00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:31,799 Lincoln County and uh Guesston County. They all, you know, 569 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,480 anything that needs to be done. When we need some 570 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,279 area of counties to push for, they're right there for 571 00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:41,200 us and we've been right there for them. 572 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 2: So you just made a donut. 573 00:29:43,519 --> 00:29:46,039 Speaker 3: You just went all the way around Charlotte Mecklenburg County 574 00:29:46,039 --> 00:29:47,839 in the name of the county there geographically. 575 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 2: So I appreciate that. 576 00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:52,519 Speaker 3: So, Dennis, thank you for the phone call, Thanks for 577 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:56,480 sharing your thoughts there, And yeah, it is it is 578 00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:59,960 a sad reality. I can remember back in the nineties, 579 00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:03,359 late nineties, maybe even early two thousands, you could go 580 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,079 to the General Assembly and. 581 00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:05,559 Speaker 2: There was a room. 582 00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:07,519 Speaker 3: There was kind of these two odd shaped rooms that 583 00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:10,039 were they almost looked like hallways, but they weren't. They 584 00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:12,640 were in office in a way. It was long, kind 585 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,839 of skinny, and that's where all of the local newspapers 586 00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:19,400 across the state and some radio stations they had. It 587 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,640 was the media center. So all of them had their 588 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:26,359 Raleigh correspondent, their Raleigh government related reporter that could go 589 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,160 there and use that office. And as things went forward, 590 00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:33,359 a lot of legacy media at the local level was dying. 591 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,000 Newspapers were finding it hard to compete, hard to stay 592 00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:38,880 in business, and so you would go and you would 593 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,480 see fewer and fewer in By two thousand and eight, nine, ten, eleven, 594 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,799 somewhere there there was hardly any reporters in that press 595 00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:50,359 pool because local newspapers didn't have the ability to send 596 00:30:50,359 --> 00:30:52,000 somebody to Raleigh to cover what's going on. 597 00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 2: Even Charlotte and Raleigh, you. 598 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,839 Speaker 3: Would think these have huge news opportunities, but from a 599 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,200 print standpoint, the Charlotte Observer and News Observer are the same. 600 00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:03,400 They're won in the same paper, owned by the same 601 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,440 people and run with a skeleton crew relative to what 602 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,759 they used to have from a prominence and media standpoint, 603 00:31:09,319 --> 00:31:13,519 so there's very little that gets covered. And democracy. When 604 00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:16,559 they say democracy dies in darkness, you see a lot 605 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,400 of that happening in North Carolina, and unfortunately, so many 606 00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:24,000 counties just do not have an accountability to the public 607 00:31:24,039 --> 00:31:25,000 about what they're doing. 608 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,799 Speaker 2: I'm talking about Republican and democratic counties. It's not just one. 609 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you 610 00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:32,519 so much for listening. I could not do the show 611 00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:35,039 without your support and the support of the businesses that 612 00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:38,240 advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, please support 613 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,920 them too and tell them you heard it here. 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