WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:02.560 Tonight we take a dive into the woke right, who's 2 00:00:02.640 --> 00:00:06.759 using the term and who benefits from its astroturfic. Plus, 3 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:10.160 the trans shooter in Minnesota endorses a Second Amendment activist 4 00:00:10.160 --> 00:00:13.839 for president. Will the activists except the ak guy? Brendan 5 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:18.760 Herrera response? Also, what is an American? And is America 6 00:00:19.039 --> 00:00:22.600 just an idea? Arn McIntyre joins us to discuss, and 7 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:24.760 what was the Civil Rights Act the result of a 8 00:00:24.920 --> 00:00:28.600 foreign influence operation? All that and more Next on The 9 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:31.160 Matt Gates Show, I'm vish Borough filling in for Matt Gates. 10 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:34.799 Let's roll shaking up Washington, DC. 11 00:00:34.960 --> 00:00:35.920 We're breaking the fever. 12 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:38.520 Do you ever watch this guy on television? 13 00:00:39.039 --> 00:00:43.719 It's like a machine. He's great. Matt Gates. 14 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:50.679 Tonight, I want to focus on an obscure concept that 15 00:00:50.799 --> 00:00:53.880 has made its way into political discourse in the recent years. 16 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:59.280 I'm talking about the woke right. What is it? I 17 00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:00.679 wish I could act actually tell you. 18 00:01:01.320 --> 00:01:03.960 The main critique of this term is that it's in 19 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:07.560 fact vague, amorphous, and bends to the will of the 20 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:12.000 person who uses it, usually to attack or smear someone 21 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:15.280 as too radical or too right wing in their thoughts 22 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:18.719 or ideas. Lots of ink has been spilled over the 23 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:22.480 last year, or as to warn readers of the scourge 24 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:25.760 of the woke right and how it's especially popular amongst 25 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:31.760 young people, particularly young men, niche and obscure. Academics have 26 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:35.359 used the term sparsely since twenty twenty one, though its 27 00:01:35.599 --> 00:01:39.799 use really took off after October seventh, twenty twenty three, 28 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:44.959 when the Israel Gaza conflict reignited. Many people started using 29 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:48.519 the term to describe a very small but very vocal 30 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:51.920 segment of the online right that could be considered anti Semitic. 31 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:56.439 But the term didn't just stay to that small segment. 32 00:01:57.280 --> 00:01:59.480 As I had mentioned, the meaning of the term is 33 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:03.480 vague morphous. Thus the targets of the term also started 34 00:02:03.480 --> 00:02:07.120 to resemble nothing close to who this term was originally 35 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:10.400 used to label. So I don't want to focus on 36 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:15.039 what it means or who has been smeared with that label. Instead, 37 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:18.280 I want to focus on who is using it and 38 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:22.479 for what purpose. The main concern after October seventh was 39 00:02:22.479 --> 00:02:28.039 that young American's opinions and sentiments towards Israel was thinking fast. 40 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:31.800 CEO of the Anti Defamation League, Jonathan Greenblot stated as 41 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:35.560 much in this leaked audio with his donors and board members. 42 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:38.599 But I also want to point out that we having 43 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:45.599 major generational problem. All the polling I've seen, any l 44 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:51.680 of palling I see saying falling independent, falling suggests this 45 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:55.719 is not a left right gap folks managing the United States, 46 00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:58.759 and support for Israel is not the left and right, 47 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:05.159 young and all. And the numbers of young people looking 48 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:09.639 at the boss's you know, massacre was justified as shockingly 49 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:14.680 and terrifyingly high. And so we really have a TikTok. 50 00:03:14.360 --> 00:03:20.400 Problem, the gen Z problem, a generational problem, not left 51 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:25.280 or right, a TikTok problem, a gen Z problem. Green 52 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:26.680 Blot sounds terrified. 53 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:27.960 So what to do? 54 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:32.400 How does one solve this sentiment issue around Israel when 55 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:36.800 talking about America's younger generation. We'll fast forward a year 56 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:40.599 later and here's green Blot on MSNBC with the new 57 00:03:40.639 --> 00:03:41.680 song He's eager to sing. 58 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:46.120 What I'm focused on really are how the fringes like 59 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:50.000 the woke right, the Tucker Carlsons, the Steve Bannons, the 60 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:53.520 Candice Owens, and the sort of radical left, the Hassan 61 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:58.879 pikers and people like Neddi Hassan Unfortunately, Max Blumenthal have 62 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:04.639 been fomenting anti Semitism, blaming this war on the Jews, 63 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:08.280 or the Zionists or the neocons, and I think that 64 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:11.319 kind of classic anti semitism I find very troubling. 65 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:15.080 Sounds like green Blott has found his new crusade. 66 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:19.279 The push to mainstream this term in concept doesn't stop there. 67 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:20.879 Of course, here's JT. 68 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:25.319 Lonsdale, co founder of Pallenteer, going on CNBC to push 69 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:27.319 the same line during the Twelve Day War. 70 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:29.879 I don't understand what this new woke right's doing. I 71 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:32.399 think we've actually shown that the vast majority of the 72 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:33.879 right does not want them to have a nuke and 73 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:37.079 supports that activity. There's a lot of Islamist bought accounts 74 00:04:37.160 --> 00:04:39.879 online right now trying to pretend that they're on the right, 75 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:40.839 that they're against doing this. 76 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:44.639 But hit me right now, what he is describing is 77 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:45.759 the new woke right. 78 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:47.480 I heard, Yeah, a. 79 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:49.800 New woke right is that is Steve Bannon and in 80 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:51.040 Tucker Carlson part of that. 81 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:52.560 Those guys are part of it, and a bunch of 82 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:55.240 Pakistani accounts online Britanny be Christians are part of it. 83 00:04:55.279 --> 00:04:55.560 Listen. 84 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:02.160 Lonsdale founded Polunteer with Al Carp, the same Alex Karp 85 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:04.959 that bragged about Volunteer doing this. 86 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:09.639 We built PG which single handedly stopped the rise of 87 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:12.879 the far right in Europe. 88 00:05:13.519 --> 00:05:16.920 Proud of stopping the right wing in Europe? How did 89 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:19.600 that turn out? By the way, because it looks like 90 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:23.759 a cut scene from an Elder Scrolls video game as 91 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:27.199 we speak, make sure to thank Alex Karp for hellish 92 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:30.000 scenes like this coming out of Scotland, since he's so 93 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:33.279 eager to take credit for stopping the only people who 94 00:05:33.319 --> 00:05:36.360 could have prevented this scene from happening. What do you 95 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:38.560 think Volunteer intends to do to the right in America? 96 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:42.240 By the way, I shudder to think it doesn't stop 97 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:46.120 with Lonsdale or Carp either. Matt Brooks, CEO of the 98 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:51.800 Republican Jewish Coalition and allegedly American political organization, has declared 99 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:54.800 war on the woke right because he sees it as 100 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:59.000 an existential threat not to America but to Israel. 101 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:00.600 Issue. 102 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:02.600 And this is something that I've spent a lot of 103 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:05.040 time thinking about, and I'm talking to Prime Mister nid 104 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:08.639 Yahu and others about is the threat from the woke 105 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:14.000 right is existential, And by that I mean if we 106 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:18.639 don't combat the woke right now, and if it follows 107 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:21.279 the trajectory of what happened in the Democratic Party and 108 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:24.959 gets a foothold and ultimately becomes the mainstream of the 109 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:31.040 Republican Party, there is no party and nobody in politics 110 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:34.800 to support Israel. Israel will be alone without a strong 111 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:39.560 pro Isral Republican party. There is no support for isaoelth 112 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:42.519 we lose the Republican Party, Israel has nobody. 113 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:45.879 Those voices on the woke right have. 114 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:50.199 Got to know that if you are maga. 115 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:51.240 You are also pro Israel. 116 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:53.519 And if you want to try and argue that Israel 117 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:56.680 is not an ally and Israel is a liability, well 118 00:06:56.759 --> 00:06:58.279 let me just tell you you're going to have to go 119 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:01.600 through the Republican Jewish Coalition first. 120 00:07:01.959 --> 00:07:05.319 And rust assured that concept has made its way all 121 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:07.959 the way to the top of Israel's leadership. 122 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:10.319 If you're telling me that there's work to be done 123 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:13.160 on gen Z and across the West, yes, And by 124 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:16.680 the way, it's not only our job. We are, as 125 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:21.120 your colleague Douglas Mary has said, we're we're the you know, 126 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:24.399 we're the litmus test for the survival of the West, 127 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:30.199 because these people are against the West. They're not for 128 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:33.759 the West, They're against the West. And there's the horseshoe 129 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:37.279 effect of the wolk left meeting the wolk right and 130 00:07:37.399 --> 00:07:41.399 challenging the basic precepts of Western civilization. And I think 131 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:44.079 that has to be challenged, not merely by Israel or 132 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:46.800 by me, but by you. And I know that you're 133 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:48.879 doing it, and I want to commend you for doing well. 134 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:50.720 We've certainly been challenging the word crying. 135 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:56.839 It is incredibly important to note that Israeli Prime Minister 136 00:07:56.920 --> 00:08:01.120 Benjamin Natanyahu is the only head of government, the only 137 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:04.279 leader of a nation, to use the term woke right 138 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:09.360 unronically in this manner. No other world leader has mentioned 139 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:14.720 or uttered this term, none, not even President Trump. Netanyaho 140 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:18.040 gives the game away right there that this is about 141 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:22.360 America's gen z, this is about their sentiments towards Israel, 142 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:27.879 and that combating the woke right will determine the West's survival. 143 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:31.839 I want to say that it is highly inappropriate for 144 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:35.279 the leader of a foreign nation to not only comment 145 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:39.039 on the domestic politics of Americans, but then also incite 146 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:43.759 rage and fement anger among our fellow Americans in response 147 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:47.639 to domestic politics he doesn't like. It is not okay 148 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:51.039 for foreign leaders to try and divide Americans for their 149 00:08:51.080 --> 00:08:56.159 own political interests. I have to ask, is the astroturfing 150 00:08:56.279 --> 00:09:00.440 of the term woke right a foreign influence operator being 151 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:04.240 peddled by the Israeli government. That's exactly what it looks like. 152 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:09.080 I know many countries try to influence our domestic politics. China, 153 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:13.759 Russia and the like. Guess what they are all labeled 154 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:17.399 as our adversaries and enemies. This is not the behavior 155 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:20.440 we expect of our allies, some might even say our 156 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:21.240 greatest ally. 157 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:23.360 If BB and. 158 00:09:23.559 --> 00:09:27.320 Israel do not want to be accused of interfering with 159 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:32.279 America's internal politics, then they need to stop doing exactly that. 160 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:35.879 I don't think Israel came up with this woke right concept, 161 00:09:36.519 --> 00:09:39.279 but I do think that they cynically co opted it 162 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:43.000 for their national interests and now want to use it 163 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:46.480 to drive a wedge in not just American domestic politics, 164 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:51.240 but particularly to divide up and destroy the Maga right. 165 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:54.600 This is not the type of behavior and ally of 166 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:56.399 the United States should. 167 00:09:56.120 --> 00:09:57.039 Be engaging in. 168 00:09:57.600 --> 00:10:00.320 The Only thing that Israel should be concerned with is 169 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:03.360 if it has good relations with the American government, not 170 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:07.799 particular factions within America. And so a word of advice 171 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:11.600 to BBI in Israel. Americans know you have big issues 172 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:14.639 to resolve right in your own backyard, and we hope 173 00:10:14.679 --> 00:10:17.600 you bring the problems you face to a swift end. 174 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:21.720 But when it comes to American domestic politics, listen to 175 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:23.000 our founding father. 176 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:25.840 Ben Franklin, and just mind your business. 177 00:10:27.559 --> 00:10:29.960 Joining me now is the man who wrote a piece 178 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:33.840 for Chronicles magazine declaring the woke Right crusade has already failed. 179 00:10:34.279 --> 00:10:38.200 He's the writer and host of Restoring Order, Patrick Casey. 180 00:10:38.919 --> 00:10:40.679 So what do you think, Patrick? Do I have a 181 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:44.080 case here? Has this term woke right been co opted 182 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:47.039 by the Israeli government and are there others who have 183 00:10:47.240 --> 00:10:49.080 done the same by just co opting it for their 184 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:49.759 own purposes? 185 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:51.679 Sure? 186 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:54.600 Well, thank you for having me on to answer your question. 187 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:59.360 I think that a lot of different people who have 188 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:02.960 who have problems with the direction that the right is 189 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:07.080 moving in, have gravitated towards this term woke right. First 190 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:09.480 of all, I think that the term is completely ridiculous. 191 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:12.559 I think that you know, there are some elements of 192 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:16.600 kind of like the extreme fringe right that I certainly 193 00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:19.399 want nothing to do with that are you know, all 194 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:21.480 they do is wine and they say ridiculous things, and 195 00:11:21.559 --> 00:11:24.039 you know, maybe they do really hate Jews and that's 196 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:26.960 all they want to talk about. But it's worth pointing 197 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:29.320 out that the guy, as far as I can tell, 198 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:31.080 came up with the term, or at the very least 199 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:35.080 pioneered it popularized it, James Lindsay is referring to far 200 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:39.600 more than just like some extreme freaks the outer edges 201 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:42.039 of the right. You know, James Lindsay is someone that 202 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:45.080 has made it very clear that no critique of liberalism 203 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:49.039 is to be allowed, that anyone who is critiquing liberalism 204 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:53.519 is therefore guilty of being part of this woke right. 205 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:56.759 And the point that I'm getting at here is that 206 00:11:56.840 --> 00:11:59.600 I understand there's some people either's stuff I see on 207 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:02.320 the right that that I disagree with. People should be 208 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:05.480 very careful about using this term because it applies to 209 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:07.279 a lot more, and in fact, James Lindsay is applied 210 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:12.039 it to. You are Hazzoni, who's an Israeli nationalist, you know, 211 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:14.960 this is saying that he's more loyal to Israel than 212 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:15.840 than America. 213 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:16.519 And things like this. 214 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:19.879 So it's when you use a term that someone else 215 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:24.120 has created and basically owns, you're picking up a lot 216 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:26.559 of baggage and you might not be aware of it. 217 00:12:27.159 --> 00:12:30.480 So when it comes to net Yahou, yeah, of course, 218 00:12:30.559 --> 00:12:34.000 he definitely sees that there is declining popularity and support 219 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:36.919 for Israel in America, even even on the right, not 220 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:39.039 just on the left. And so I don't think he 221 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:41.440 really knows any of that. I think someone just told 222 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:43.240 him this is a good term that you should use 223 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:45.679 to talk about people right of center who are critical 224 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:50.279 of Israel. But it's just definitely a term that anyone 225 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:54.399 who regardless of honestly, regardless of their position on Israel, 226 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:56.679 anyone right of center who's like a real Trump supporter, 227 00:12:56.960 --> 00:13:01.559 a real nationalist, real conservative, should not be using whatsoever. 228 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:02.840 Yeah, you know, you. 229 00:13:02.919 --> 00:13:05.080 Mentioned that they don't like the direction of the right, 230 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:07.480 and that's those are the people who are using this term. 231 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:09.039 We'll get to James Lindsay in a second. 232 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:13.120 But you know, making a part of the right, you 233 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:15.919 know taboo, or or a part of the right that's 234 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:18.840 like non liberals in it's undergirding. 235 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:20.759 You know, have we seen this movie. 236 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:23.279 Before early in the Trump years where people tried to 237 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:25.480 label a section of the right as you know, taboo 238 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:26.120 and untouchable. 239 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:30.879 Right, Well, that's been the story of post war conservatism 240 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:36.039 in this country is cancellation of gatekeeping, of certain ideas 241 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:38.679 being deemed off limits. And just to be very clear, 242 00:13:38.720 --> 00:13:41.960 there are plenty of ideas that I believe should be 243 00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:44.279 off limits on the right. One example would be a 244 00:13:44.360 --> 00:13:46.919 support for open borders. And it's it's really just a 245 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:49.120 question at the end of the day, the idea that 246 00:13:49.159 --> 00:13:51.559 we're going to have a right or even more broadly, 247 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:55.960 a country that's totally value neutral. Obviously, it's ridiculous someone's 248 00:13:56.039 --> 00:14:00.799 values are going to reign someone's beliefs more are going 249 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:03.919 to be the ones that have that are hegemonic essentially, 250 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:06.720 So the question is what should what are good ideas 251 00:14:06.759 --> 00:14:09.600 for the right? And you know that's obviously a topic 252 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:12.000 for discussion another time. You know, you could talk about 253 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:15.360 that for hours. But the term woke right is just 254 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:19.519 used by people that have been have been blacklisted by 255 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:22.840 the Trump administration. They've complained about it, James Lindsay, you know, 256 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:25.519 has so it's it's a term that really I think 257 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:28.159 it's hit a ceiling. I don't think. I think some 258 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:31.559 people will use it. I think it will circulate around, 259 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:35.080 but I think it's it's clear that the right overall, 260 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:38.039 that the right that supported Donald Trump, that elected Donald 261 00:14:38.039 --> 00:14:42.200 Trump is has has rejected all of that this kind 262 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:46.200 of right ring on right wing cancel culture that defined 263 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:48.840 the neo conservatives, that defined you know, some people who 264 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:52.480 are in the first Trump administration. Sure now it's we 265 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:55.200 we absolutely there are bad ideas out there. There are 266 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:57.200 bad people out there that shouldn't have a seat at 267 00:14:57.200 --> 00:15:00.480 the table. Just to be very clear, but this when 268 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:03.799 you have people that are self described classical liberals or 269 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:07.000 just even liberals, people that aren't really right wing, like 270 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:10.440 James Lindsay. These are all like disaffected, anti woke liberals. 271 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:11.440 That's basically who. 272 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:15.399 Where this term gained currency and momentum. And the question 273 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:17.440 is do we want these to be the people who 274 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:19.879 are deciding what can be said and what cannot be 275 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:22.639 said on the right. And you know, James Lindsay's proud 276 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:24.519 of the fact he's talked about who he didn't I 277 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:27.519 don't think he voted for Trump in twenty sixteen, didn't 278 00:15:27.559 --> 00:15:30.320 vote Republican in twenty eighteen, I'm not sure about twenty twenty, 279 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:32.279 but there's a good chance he didn't. There's a tweet 280 00:15:32.279 --> 00:15:34.679 where he outlines all of the years he didn't vote 281 00:15:34.679 --> 00:15:37.759 Republicans since twenty sixteen, And you know, I look at 282 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:39.279 that and I say, this isn't someone that gets to 283 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:41.360 If he wants to support Trump, that's great, he wants 284 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:44.519 to support the right. But anti woke liberals coming in 285 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:48.120 late to the party essentially and deciding that they're going 286 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:50.759 to be the ones who determine what is and isn't 287 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:53.799 right wing, it's just ridiculous and the right MAGA has 288 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:55.000 to absolutely reject that. 289 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:58.600 Yeah, you know, and you bring up this guy, I'm sorry, 290 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:02.879 James Lindsay, He's I'm sorry. The name is so it's 291 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:05.440 small and insignificant. I could barely read it here, but 292 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:07.559 that you know, he has these beefs. He's the one 293 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:10.399 who kind of took the torch with this ran with it, 294 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:12.759 and you know, kind of the whole thing fell off 295 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:16.320 the rails when he did that. Is this like ideological 296 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:19.799 about the classical liberalism thing with disaffected liberals or is 297 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:23.120 it about about like person It's personal for him because 298 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:25.320 he doesn't have the influence or access to the Trump 299 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:28.159 administration as he thought he would, as he mentions in 300 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:28.879 these tweets here. 301 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:32.879 I think it's a bit of both vish. I think 302 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:38.039 that James Lindsey initially seized upon this sort of anti woke, 303 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:43.759 classical liberal brand and that became his thing. And you know, 304 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:46.679 with influencers sometimes it's hard to tell how much of 305 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:48.519 it's sincere and how much of it isn't. But it's 306 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:51.679 very clear that, you know, he really did his best 307 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:54.759 to stake out this position and he's sticking to it. 308 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:57.000 He's not trying to change and whatever else that could 309 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:00.879 be sincerity, he's sincerely maybe sincere, but about having the 310 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:03.759 wrong opinions, about being on the wrong side of this divide, 311 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:05.440 or it could just be that, you know, this is 312 00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:08.200 sort of his his brand and he's upset that this, 313 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:12.400 you know, this brand of politics isn't what MAGA is 314 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:14.480 looking for. You know a lot of people on Twitter 315 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:18.839 and on podcasts, people who write for journals are competing 316 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:20.960 to be, you know, during the Trump era, which we're 317 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:22.359 sort of you know, sort of in the end of 318 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:24.200 as sad as it is to say, you know, we're 319 00:17:24.200 --> 00:17:26.799 competing to be kind of like the high priests. They're 320 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:30.039 the ones that they have like their niche ideological project, 321 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:32.440 and they want that to be kind of the intel. 322 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:33.880 They want to be the Yeah, the high priests, the 323 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:36.960 intellectual vanguard of MAGA. And a lot of these people 324 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:39.920 have been have been kind of rejected, and that's a 325 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:42.480 good thing. So the question, you know, is someone like 326 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:44.759 James Lindsay, It's it's very clear that by now. I 327 00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:46.920 think in the past he kind of pretended to be 328 00:17:46.960 --> 00:17:50.240 a little friendlier toward Trump and MAGA, but it's now 329 00:17:50.279 --> 00:17:53.640 it's it's clear he's very resentful that Donald Trump didn't 330 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:56.640 appoint him, you know, high priest of of MAGA. And 331 00:17:57.400 --> 00:17:59.319 you know, all I have to say is, James, why 332 00:17:59.480 --> 00:18:02.359 what a Trump makes you think that you're the guy? 333 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:04.759 And what you have to offer is what MAG is about? 334 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:06.960 Like it clearly clearly is not. 335 00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:09.559 You know, and and and. 336 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:12.880 And the supporters of Trump too, right go downstream from this, 337 00:18:13.400 --> 00:18:17.400 namely his his administration staffers. You know, you know some 338 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:20.839 Trumpet admin officials and appointees. I know some as well, 339 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:25.079 especially the young ones. Do they subscribe to James Lindsay's 340 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:28.440 like classical liberalism or are they more towards like the 341 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:31.599 paleo conservatism and what's being smeared as woke right. 342 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:36.279 Yeah, they're more like paleocons. They like Pat Buchanan, they 343 00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:39.640 like you know, you me, they like Aaron McIntyre. I 344 00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:41.400 think I heard is coming on later in the show. 345 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:43.160 That's the kind of stuff that they're into. They're not 346 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:45.480 also not into like the freak right stuff. The people 347 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:48.839 that are, you know that would call Paul Godfried some 348 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:51.880 kind of like Israeli zionist chill. Paul Godfried has been 349 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:55.240 critical of US Israel policy for decades. He's the guy 350 00:18:55.279 --> 00:18:59.000 who coined the term paleo conservative. So you know, there 351 00:18:59.039 --> 00:18:59.960 are a lot of there are a lot of bad 352 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:03.200 actors out there. But yeah, no, they're not into James Lindsay. 353 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:06.480 And one more question before I let you go. If 354 00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:09.160 these Trump Admin's staffers are the ones running the United 355 00:19:09.160 --> 00:19:12.680 States government and they'll be involved in Republican politics and 356 00:19:12.839 --> 00:19:15.319 the American government for the next thirty forty years, wouldn't 357 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:18.680 it behoove Benjamin Netanyahu to charm these people and bring 358 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:21.119 them to his side instead of smearing them as woke. 359 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:23.240 Right. 360 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:25.000 And that's why I said not not to run cover 361 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:27.880 for Benjamin Netanya who. But I would be surprised if 362 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:30.640 he really is aware of the origin of this term, 363 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:34.160 of all of its ramifications. You know, I've read online 364 00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:37.119 that he doesn't even have like a top English like 365 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:41.960 a designated English language comms director. Now maybe that's changed 366 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:44.240 since a few months ago when I read that, but 367 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:46.599 I don't think he really knows. There's plenty of valid 368 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:48.720 critiques of him. Just to be clear, I'm not saying like, oh, 369 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:51.640 you know, if only he knew or something now, but 370 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:53.920 I do think there are It's worth pointing out there 371 00:19:53.960 --> 00:19:58.000 are efforts, and I've read these articles about how the 372 00:19:58.039 --> 00:20:01.279 Israeli government and other you know, organizations, people in the 373 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:06.519 broader pro Israel world are attempting. They recognize that younger 374 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:12.240 conservatives are considerably more right wing than you know, kind 375 00:20:12.279 --> 00:20:16.079 of the Bush era Republican Party, and they're even more 376 00:20:16.119 --> 00:20:18.319 right wing than than what, you know, what the Trump 377 00:20:18.319 --> 00:20:22.319 administration is about sometimes. And I think there are separate 378 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:26.160 efforts made by the Israeli government to kind of get 379 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:30.039 those people to be pro Israel, And as what, I 380 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:32.359 don't know if those will succeed or not. It's not 381 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:34.920 really my concern. At the end of the day. Well, 382 00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:38.200 but it's worth keeping in mind that, you know, attacking 383 00:20:38.240 --> 00:20:41.599 anyone who's you know, using this term woke right is 384 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:43.559 definitely not going to do anyone any favors. 385 00:20:43.640 --> 00:20:46.640 We're restoring order with Patrick Casey, thank you so much 386 00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:47.559 for joining. 387 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:48.559 Thank you. 388 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:53.200 And up next, a trans shooter murders innocent children during 389 00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:56.559 mass in Minnesota, but he made sure to endorse a 390 00:20:56.640 --> 00:20:59.680 right winger for president before he offered himself that right 391 00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:02.759 wing Brendan Herrera is here with me next to respond. 392 00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:11.519 Viewers are always asking me how can they watch OWAYN live? 393 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:16.559 The solution is simple. 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