Speaker 1: Tonight we take a dive into the woke right, who's
Speaker 1: using the term and who benefits from its astroturfic. Plus,
Speaker 1: the trans shooter in Minnesota endorses a Second Amendment activist
Speaker 1: for president. Will the activists except the ak guy? Brendan
Speaker 1: Herrera response? Also, what is an American? And is America
Speaker 1: just an idea? Arn McIntyre joins us to discuss, and
Speaker 1: what was the Civil Rights Act the result of a
Speaker 1: foreign influence operation? All that and more Next on The
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Speaker 1: Tonight, I want to focus on an obscure concept that
Speaker 1: has made its way into political discourse in the recent years.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about the woke right. What is it? I
Speaker 4: wish I could act actually tell you.
Speaker 1: The main critique of this term is that it's in
Speaker 1: fact vague, amorphous, and bends to the will of the
Speaker 1: person who uses it, usually to attack or smear someone
Speaker 1: as too radical or too right wing in their thoughts
Speaker 1: or ideas. Lots of ink has been spilled over the
Speaker 1: last year, or as to warn readers of the scourge
Speaker 1: of the woke right and how it's especially popular amongst
Speaker 1: young people, particularly young men, niche and obscure. Academics have
Speaker 1: used the term sparsely since twenty twenty one, though its
Speaker 1: use really took off after October seventh, twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: when the Israel Gaza conflict reignited. Many people started using
Speaker 1: the term to describe a very small but very vocal
Speaker 1: segment of the online right that could be considered anti Semitic.
Speaker 1: But the term didn't just stay to that small segment.
Speaker 1: As I had mentioned, the meaning of the term is
Speaker 1: vague morphous. Thus the targets of the term also started
Speaker 1: to resemble nothing close to who this term was originally
Speaker 1: used to label. So I don't want to focus on
Speaker 1: what it means or who has been smeared with that label. Instead,
Speaker 1: I want to focus on who is using it and
Speaker 1: for what purpose. The main concern after October seventh was
Speaker 1: that young American's opinions and sentiments towards Israel was thinking fast.
Speaker 1: CEO of the Anti Defamation League, Jonathan Greenblot stated as
Speaker 1: much in this leaked audio with his donors and board members.
Speaker 5: But I also want to point out that we having
Speaker 5: major generational problem. All the polling I've seen, any l
Speaker 5: of palling I see saying falling independent, falling suggests this
Speaker 5: is not a left right gap folks managing the United States,
Speaker 5: and support for Israel is not the left and right,
Speaker 5: young and all. And the numbers of young people looking
Speaker 5: at the boss's you know, massacre was justified as shockingly
Speaker 5: and terrifyingly high. And so we really have a TikTok.
Speaker 1: Problem, the gen Z problem, a generational problem, not left
Speaker 1: or right, a TikTok problem, a gen Z problem. Green
Speaker 1: Blot sounds terrified.
Speaker 4: So what to do?
Speaker 1: How does one solve this sentiment issue around Israel when
Speaker 1: talking about America's younger generation. We'll fast forward a year
Speaker 1: later and here's green Blot on MSNBC with the new
Speaker 1: song He's eager to sing.
Speaker 6: What I'm focused on really are how the fringes like
Speaker 6: the woke right, the Tucker Carlsons, the Steve Bannons, the
Speaker 6: Candice Owens, and the sort of radical left, the Hassan
Speaker 6: pikers and people like Neddi Hassan Unfortunately, Max Blumenthal have
Speaker 6: been fomenting anti Semitism, blaming this war on the Jews,
Speaker 6: or the Zionists or the neocons, and I think that
Speaker 6: kind of classic anti semitism I find very troubling.
Speaker 4: Sounds like green Blott has found his new crusade.
Speaker 1: The push to mainstream this term in concept doesn't stop there.
Speaker 4: Of course, here's JT.
Speaker 1: Lonsdale, co founder of Pallenteer, going on CNBC to push
Speaker 1: the same line during the Twelve Day War.
Speaker 7: I don't understand what this new woke right's doing. I
Speaker 7: think we've actually shown that the vast majority of the
Speaker 7: right does not want them to have a nuke and
Speaker 7: supports that activity. There's a lot of Islamist bought accounts
Speaker 7: online right now trying to pretend that they're on the right,
Speaker 7: that they're against doing this.
Speaker 8: But hit me right now, what he is describing is
Speaker 8: the new woke right.
Speaker 9: I heard, Yeah, a.
Speaker 8: New woke right is that is Steve Bannon and in
Speaker 8: Tucker Carlson part of that.
Speaker 7: Those guys are part of it, and a bunch of
Speaker 7: Pakistani accounts online Britanny be Christians are part of it.
Speaker 5: Listen.
Speaker 1: Lonsdale founded Polunteer with Al Carp, the same Alex Karp
Speaker 1: that bragged about Volunteer doing this.
Speaker 8: We built PG which single handedly stopped the rise of
Speaker 8: the far right in Europe.
Speaker 1: Proud of stopping the right wing in Europe? How did
Speaker 1: that turn out? By the way, because it looks like
Speaker 1: a cut scene from an Elder Scrolls video game as
Speaker 1: we speak, make sure to thank Alex Karp for hellish
Speaker 1: scenes like this coming out of Scotland, since he's so
Speaker 1: eager to take credit for stopping the only people who
Speaker 1: could have prevented this scene from happening. What do you
Speaker 1: think Volunteer intends to do to the right in America?
Speaker 1: By the way, I shudder to think it doesn't stop
Speaker 1: with Lonsdale or Carp either. Matt Brooks, CEO of the
Speaker 1: Republican Jewish Coalition and allegedly American political organization, has declared
Speaker 1: war on the woke right because he sees it as
Speaker 1: an existential threat not to America but to Israel.
Speaker 5: Issue.
Speaker 10: And this is something that I've spent a lot of
Speaker 10: time thinking about, and I'm talking to Prime Mister nid
Speaker 10: Yahu and others about is the threat from the woke
Speaker 10: right is existential, And by that I mean if we
Speaker 10: don't combat the woke right now, and if it follows
Speaker 10: the trajectory of what happened in the Democratic Party and
Speaker 10: gets a foothold and ultimately becomes the mainstream of the
Speaker 10: Republican Party, there is no party and nobody in politics
Speaker 10: to support Israel. Israel will be alone without a strong
Speaker 10: pro Isral Republican party. There is no support for isaoelth
Speaker 10: we lose the Republican Party, Israel has nobody.
Speaker 1: Those voices on the woke right have.
Speaker 11: Got to know that if you are maga.
Speaker 9: You are also pro Israel.
Speaker 10: And if you want to try and argue that Israel
Speaker 10: is not an ally and Israel is a liability, well
Speaker 10: let me just tell you you're going to have to go
Speaker 10: through the Republican Jewish Coalition first.
Speaker 1: And rust assured that concept has made its way all
Speaker 1: the way to the top of Israel's leadership.
Speaker 9: If you're telling me that there's work to be done
Speaker 9: on gen Z and across the West, yes, And by
Speaker 9: the way, it's not only our job. We are, as
Speaker 9: your colleague Douglas Mary has said, we're we're the you know,
Speaker 9: we're the litmus test for the survival of the West,
Speaker 9: because these people are against the West. They're not for
Speaker 9: the West, They're against the West. And there's the horseshoe
Speaker 9: effect of the wolk left meeting the wolk right and
Speaker 9: challenging the basic precepts of Western civilization. And I think
Speaker 9: that has to be challenged, not merely by Israel or
Speaker 9: by me, but by you. And I know that you're
Speaker 9: doing it, and I want to commend you for doing well.
Speaker 4: We've certainly been challenging the word crying.
Speaker 1: It is incredibly important to note that Israeli Prime Minister
Speaker 1: Benjamin Natanyahu is the only head of government, the only
Speaker 1: leader of a nation, to use the term woke right
Speaker 1: unronically in this manner. No other world leader has mentioned
Speaker 1: or uttered this term, none, not even President Trump. Netanyaho
Speaker 1: gives the game away right there that this is about
Speaker 1: America's gen z, this is about their sentiments towards Israel,
Speaker 1: and that combating the woke right will determine the West's survival.
Speaker 1: I want to say that it is highly inappropriate for
Speaker 1: the leader of a foreign nation to not only comment
Speaker 1: on the domestic politics of Americans, but then also incite
Speaker 1: rage and fement anger among our fellow Americans in response
Speaker 1: to domestic politics he doesn't like. It is not okay
Speaker 1: for foreign leaders to try and divide Americans for their
Speaker 1: own political interests. I have to ask, is the astroturfing
Speaker 1: of the term woke right a foreign influence operator being
Speaker 1: peddled by the Israeli government. That's exactly what it looks like.
Speaker 1: I know many countries try to influence our domestic politics. China,
Speaker 1: Russia and the like. Guess what they are all labeled
Speaker 1: as our adversaries and enemies. This is not the behavior
Speaker 1: we expect of our allies, some might even say our
Speaker 1: greatest ally.
Speaker 4: If BB and.
Speaker 1: Israel do not want to be accused of interfering with
Speaker 1: America's internal politics, then they need to stop doing exactly that.
Speaker 1: I don't think Israel came up with this woke right concept,
Speaker 1: but I do think that they cynically co opted it
Speaker 1: for their national interests and now want to use it
Speaker 1: to drive a wedge in not just American domestic politics,
Speaker 1: but particularly to divide up and destroy the Maga right.
Speaker 1: This is not the type of behavior and ally of
Speaker 1: the United States should.
Speaker 4: Be engaging in.
Speaker 1: The Only thing that Israel should be concerned with is
Speaker 1: if it has good relations with the American government, not
Speaker 1: particular factions within America. And so a word of advice
Speaker 1: to BBI in Israel. Americans know you have big issues
Speaker 1: to resolve right in your own backyard, and we hope
Speaker 1: you bring the problems you face to a swift end.
Speaker 1: But when it comes to American domestic politics, listen to
Speaker 1: our founding father.
Speaker 4: Ben Franklin, and just mind your business.
Speaker 1: Joining me now is the man who wrote a piece
Speaker 1: for Chronicles magazine declaring the woke Right crusade has already failed.
Speaker 1: He's the writer and host of Restoring Order, Patrick Casey.
Speaker 1: So what do you think, Patrick? Do I have a
Speaker 1: case here? Has this term woke right been co opted
Speaker 1: by the Israeli government and are there others who have
Speaker 1: done the same by just co opting it for their
Speaker 1: own purposes?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 8: Well, thank you for having me on to answer your question.
Speaker 8: I think that a lot of different people who have
Speaker 8: who have problems with the direction that the right is
Speaker 8: moving in, have gravitated towards this term woke right. First
Speaker 8: of all, I think that the term is completely ridiculous.
Speaker 8: I think that you know, there are some elements of
Speaker 8: kind of like the extreme fringe right that I certainly
Speaker 8: want nothing to do with that are you know, all
Speaker 8: they do is wine and they say ridiculous things, and
Speaker 8: you know, maybe they do really hate Jews and that's
Speaker 8: all they want to talk about. But it's worth pointing
Speaker 8: out that the guy, as far as I can tell,
Speaker 8: came up with the term, or at the very least
Speaker 8: pioneered it popularized it, James Lindsay is referring to far
Speaker 8: more than just like some extreme freaks the outer edges
Speaker 8: of the right. You know, James Lindsay is someone that
Speaker 8: has made it very clear that no critique of liberalism
Speaker 8: is to be allowed, that anyone who is critiquing liberalism
Speaker 8: is therefore guilty of being part of this woke right.
Speaker 8: And the point that I'm getting at here is that
Speaker 8: I understand there's some people either's stuff I see on
Speaker 8: the right that that I disagree with. People should be
Speaker 8: very careful about using this term because it applies to
Speaker 8: a lot more, and in fact, James Lindsay is applied
Speaker 8: it to. You are Hazzoni, who's an Israeli nationalist, you know,
Speaker 8: this is saying that he's more loyal to Israel than
Speaker 8: than America.
Speaker 4: And things like this.
Speaker 8: So it's when you use a term that someone else
Speaker 8: has created and basically owns, you're picking up a lot
Speaker 8: of baggage and you might not be aware of it.
Speaker 8: So when it comes to net Yahou, yeah, of course,
Speaker 8: he definitely sees that there is declining popularity and support
Speaker 8: for Israel in America, even even on the right, not
Speaker 8: just on the left. And so I don't think he
Speaker 8: really knows any of that. I think someone just told
Speaker 8: him this is a good term that you should use
Speaker 8: to talk about people right of center who are critical
Speaker 8: of Israel. But it's just definitely a term that anyone
Speaker 8: who regardless of honestly, regardless of their position on Israel,
Speaker 8: anyone right of center who's like a real Trump supporter,
Speaker 8: a real nationalist, real conservative, should not be using whatsoever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you.
Speaker 1: Mentioned that they don't like the direction of the right,
Speaker 1: and that's those are the people who are using this term.
Speaker 4: We'll get to James Lindsay in a second.
Speaker 1: But you know, making a part of the right, you
Speaker 1: know taboo, or or a part of the right that's
Speaker 1: like non liberals in it's undergirding.
Speaker 4: You know, have we seen this movie.
Speaker 1: Before early in the Trump years where people tried to
Speaker 1: label a section of the right as you know, taboo
Speaker 1: and untouchable.
Speaker 8: Right, Well, that's been the story of post war conservatism
Speaker 8: in this country is cancellation of gatekeeping, of certain ideas
Speaker 8: being deemed off limits. And just to be very clear,
Speaker 8: there are plenty of ideas that I believe should be
Speaker 8: off limits on the right. One example would be a
Speaker 8: support for open borders. And it's it's really just a
Speaker 8: question at the end of the day, the idea that
Speaker 8: we're going to have a right or even more broadly,
Speaker 8: a country that's totally value neutral. Obviously, it's ridiculous someone's
Speaker 8: values are going to reign someone's beliefs more are going
Speaker 8: to be the ones that have that are hegemonic essentially,
Speaker 8: So the question is what should what are good ideas
Speaker 8: for the right? And you know that's obviously a topic
Speaker 8: for discussion another time. You know, you could talk about
Speaker 8: that for hours. But the term woke right is just
Speaker 8: used by people that have been have been blacklisted by
Speaker 8: the Trump administration. They've complained about it, James Lindsay, you know,
Speaker 8: has so it's it's a term that really I think
Speaker 8: it's hit a ceiling. I don't think. I think some
Speaker 8: people will use it. I think it will circulate around,
Speaker 8: but I think it's it's clear that the right overall,
Speaker 8: that the right that supported Donald Trump, that elected Donald
Speaker 8: Trump is has has rejected all of that this kind
Speaker 8: of right ring on right wing cancel culture that defined
Speaker 8: the neo conservatives, that defined you know, some people who
Speaker 8: are in the first Trump administration. Sure now it's we
Speaker 8: we absolutely there are bad ideas out there. There are
Speaker 8: bad people out there that shouldn't have a seat at
Speaker 8: the table. Just to be very clear, but this when
Speaker 8: you have people that are self described classical liberals or
Speaker 8: just even liberals, people that aren't really right wing, like
Speaker 8: James Lindsay. These are all like disaffected, anti woke liberals.
Speaker 4: That's basically who.
Speaker 8: Where this term gained currency and momentum. And the question
Speaker 8: is do we want these to be the people who
Speaker 8: are deciding what can be said and what cannot be
Speaker 8: said on the right. And you know, James Lindsay's proud
Speaker 8: of the fact he's talked about who he didn't I
Speaker 8: don't think he voted for Trump in twenty sixteen, didn't
Speaker 8: vote Republican in twenty eighteen, I'm not sure about twenty twenty,
Speaker 8: but there's a good chance he didn't. There's a tweet
Speaker 8: where he outlines all of the years he didn't vote
Speaker 8: Republicans since twenty sixteen, And you know, I look at
Speaker 8: that and I say, this isn't someone that gets to
Speaker 8: If he wants to support Trump, that's great, he wants
Speaker 8: to support the right. But anti woke liberals coming in
Speaker 8: late to the party essentially and deciding that they're going
Speaker 8: to be the ones who determine what is and isn't
Speaker 8: right wing, it's just ridiculous and the right MAGA has
Speaker 8: to absolutely reject that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and you bring up this guy, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: James Lindsay, He's I'm sorry. The name is so it's
Speaker 1: small and insignificant. I could barely read it here, but
Speaker 1: that you know, he has these beefs. He's the one
Speaker 1: who kind of took the torch with this ran with it,
Speaker 1: and you know, kind of the whole thing fell off
Speaker 1: the rails when he did that. Is this like ideological
Speaker 1: about the classical liberalism thing with disaffected liberals or is
Speaker 1: it about about like person It's personal for him because
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the influence or access to the Trump
Speaker 1: administration as he thought he would, as he mentions in
Speaker 1: these tweets here.
Speaker 8: I think it's a bit of both vish. I think
Speaker 8: that James Lindsey initially seized upon this sort of anti woke,
Speaker 8: classical liberal brand and that became his thing. And you know,
Speaker 8: with influencers sometimes it's hard to tell how much of
Speaker 8: it's sincere and how much of it isn't. But it's
Speaker 8: very clear that, you know, he really did his best
Speaker 8: to stake out this position and he's sticking to it.
Speaker 8: He's not trying to change and whatever else that could
Speaker 8: be sincerity, he's sincerely maybe sincere, but about having the
Speaker 8: wrong opinions, about being on the wrong side of this divide,
Speaker 8: or it could just be that, you know, this is
Speaker 8: sort of his his brand and he's upset that this,
Speaker 8: you know, this brand of politics isn't what MAGA is
Speaker 8: looking for. You know a lot of people on Twitter
Speaker 8: and on podcasts, people who write for journals are competing
Speaker 8: to be, you know, during the Trump era, which we're
Speaker 8: sort of you know, sort of in the end of
Speaker 8: as sad as it is to say, you know, we're
Speaker 8: competing to be kind of like the high priests. They're
Speaker 8: the ones that they have like their niche ideological project,
Speaker 8: and they want that to be kind of the intel.
Speaker 8: They want to be the Yeah, the high priests, the
Speaker 8: intellectual vanguard of MAGA. And a lot of these people
Speaker 8: have been have been kind of rejected, and that's a
Speaker 8: good thing. So the question, you know, is someone like
Speaker 8: James Lindsay, It's it's very clear that by now. I
Speaker 8: think in the past he kind of pretended to be
Speaker 8: a little friendlier toward Trump and MAGA, but it's now
Speaker 8: it's it's clear he's very resentful that Donald Trump didn't
Speaker 8: appoint him, you know, high priest of of MAGA. And
Speaker 8: you know, all I have to say is, James, why
Speaker 8: what a Trump makes you think that you're the guy?
Speaker 8: And what you have to offer is what MAG is about?
Speaker 8: Like it clearly clearly is not.
Speaker 4: You know, and and and.
Speaker 1: And the supporters of Trump too, right go downstream from this,
Speaker 1: namely his his administration staffers. You know, you know some
Speaker 1: Trumpet admin officials and appointees. I know some as well,
Speaker 1: especially the young ones. Do they subscribe to James Lindsay's
Speaker 1: like classical liberalism or are they more towards like the
Speaker 1: paleo conservatism and what's being smeared as woke right.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they're more like paleocons. They like Pat Buchanan, they
Speaker 8: like you know, you me, they like Aaron McIntyre. I
Speaker 8: think I heard is coming on later in the show.
Speaker 8: That's the kind of stuff that they're into. They're not
Speaker 8: also not into like the freak right stuff. The people
Speaker 8: that are, you know that would call Paul Godfried some
Speaker 8: kind of like Israeli zionist chill. Paul Godfried has been
Speaker 8: critical of US Israel policy for decades. He's the guy
Speaker 8: who coined the term paleo conservative. So you know, there
Speaker 8: are a lot of there are a lot of bad
Speaker 8: actors out there. But yeah, no, they're not into James Lindsay.
Speaker 1: And one more question before I let you go. If
Speaker 1: these Trump Admin's staffers are the ones running the United
Speaker 1: States government and they'll be involved in Republican politics and
Speaker 1: the American government for the next thirty forty years, wouldn't
Speaker 1: it behoove Benjamin Netanyahu to charm these people and bring
Speaker 1: them to his side instead of smearing them as woke.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 8: And that's why I said not not to run cover
Speaker 8: for Benjamin Netanya who. But I would be surprised if
Speaker 8: he really is aware of the origin of this term,
Speaker 8: of all of its ramifications. You know, I've read online
Speaker 8: that he doesn't even have like a top English like
Speaker 8: a designated English language comms director. Now maybe that's changed
Speaker 8: since a few months ago when I read that, but
Speaker 8: I don't think he really knows. There's plenty of valid
Speaker 8: critiques of him. Just to be clear, I'm not saying like, oh,
Speaker 8: you know, if only he knew or something now, but
Speaker 8: I do think there are It's worth pointing out there
Speaker 8: are efforts, and I've read these articles about how the
Speaker 8: Israeli government and other you know, organizations, people in the
Speaker 8: broader pro Israel world are attempting. They recognize that younger
Speaker 8: conservatives are considerably more right wing than you know, kind
Speaker 8: of the Bush era Republican Party, and they're even more
Speaker 8: right wing than than what, you know, what the Trump
Speaker 8: administration is about sometimes. And I think there are separate
Speaker 8: efforts made by the Israeli government to kind of get
Speaker 8: those people to be pro Israel, And as what, I
Speaker 8: don't know if those will succeed or not. It's not
Speaker 8: really my concern. At the end of the day. Well,
Speaker 8: but it's worth keeping in mind that, you know, attacking
Speaker 8: anyone who's you know, using this term woke right is
Speaker 8: definitely not going to do anyone any favors.
Speaker 1: We're restoring order with Patrick Casey, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Yesterday morning, a tragic shooting unfolded at Annunciation Catholic School
Speaker 1: in Minneapolis, Minnesota, during a back to school mass. Inside
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Speaker 1: Robert Westman, who's a transsexual and legally changed his name
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Speaker 1: killing two children aged eight and ten, and injuring seventeen others,
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Speaker 4: Entering the building.
Speaker 1: Authorities confirmed Westman acted alone and had no prior criminal history.
Speaker 1: Investigators are reviewing disturbing videos and writings from his now
Speaker 1: deleted YouTube channel, including a manifesto in English and Russian.
Speaker 1: It showcases guns painted with slogans like Israel must fall,
Speaker 1: nuke India.
Speaker 4: Kill Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: These pro transgender, pro communists, anti Trump, anti Christian, anti Semitic,
Speaker 1: and racist slogans were all over his weapons. Police have
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Speaker 1: on his YouTube page were captured before they were deleted,
Speaker 1: including the one uploaded right before he mastered Children in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: One part that caught my ear is him mentioning a
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Speaker 1: right before they go up and shoot shoot up, you know,
Speaker 1: a ton of innocent people, children, you know, And the
Speaker 1: media and the Democrats are already in full meltdown trying
Speaker 1: to cover up the trans part of this whole story
Speaker 1: and create another clarion call for gun control.
Speaker 4: What do you think about that?
Speaker 13: I don't think it's any exaggeration to say that I've
Speaker 13: gotten when it comes to hateful comments or hateful messages, thousands,
Speaker 13: at least hundreds of death threats.
Speaker 4: It really does.
Speaker 13: I'm glad you brought up the christ Church shooting because
Speaker 13: it reminds me of the peuwdy Pie, you know, the
Speaker 13: subscribe to Beauty Pie thing that happened during that And
Speaker 13: of course, like all were horrible events, but I never
Speaker 13: thought that this would be happening in a way that
Speaker 13: would ever invoke my name, because obviously I don't support
Speaker 13: anything like this, and it's unfortunately come to my doorstep,
Speaker 13: and I I want to speak out against it in
Speaker 13: the most clear terms that I possibly can, because it
Speaker 13: really is like, it feels like an attempt to slander
Speaker 13: or to be edgy or whatever it is. I just
Speaker 13: I have no idea but I want nothing to do
Speaker 13: with it.
Speaker 1: You know, are there any laws or ways on the
Speaker 1: books that you know on the books already that could
Speaker 1: have prevented this person from getting a gun that wasn't enforced,
Speaker 1: Like would have changing the classification of being trance to
Speaker 1: a mental illness triggered something in the existing legal machinery
Speaker 1: to prevent this.
Speaker 13: It's quite possible. But the thing that is being brought
Speaker 13: up by the left as a talking point, which I
Speaker 13: think is really you know, it proves that what they
Speaker 13: are proposing doesn't matter, because is basically that all of
Speaker 13: the weapons purchased in this were legal firearms, at least
Speaker 13: that's my understanding at the moment. And so if these
Speaker 13: were all legal, they were all purchased through a background check,
Speaker 13: This person's background was studied and was everything was done
Speaker 13: through the current legal process. Then enhanced red flag laws
Speaker 13: or anything like this would not have changed anything. Universal
Speaker 13: background checks would not have changed anything. All of these
Speaker 13: these laws that are being proposed as things that will
Speaker 13: save the country and oh, my god, you hate children
Speaker 13: because you don't support these laws, none of them would
Speaker 13: have changed a single thing. And that's what irritates me.
Speaker 4: But you know, what.
Speaker 13: It's just like the old saying goes that the left
Speaker 13: likes to use so much, never let a good crisis
Speaker 13: go to waste.
Speaker 1: That's right, and we're seeing them do just that with
Speaker 1: the memories of these children, just pushing political agendas, you know,
Speaker 1: while the bodies are still warm.
Speaker 4: It's really sad. It's really sad.
Speaker 1: Brandon, thank you so much for joining. And you know,
Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta make sure we.
Speaker 4: Get past this.
Speaker 13: Absolutely, it's a it's a horrible thing, and the I
Speaker 13: just I released a statement today basically just trying to
Speaker 13: make sure that I clear up any sort of you know,
Speaker 13: misconceptions or any sort of wiggle room for interpretation on whatever.
Speaker 13: I completely misavow everything that this clearly mentally ill individual.
Speaker 13: I've never met this person, at least not to my recollection.
Speaker 13: I think even NSSF, the company that organized a shot show,
Speaker 13: has said that is a complete fabrication. But the biggest
Speaker 13: thing that I want to make sure that we push
Speaker 13: to is make sure that we get support to the
Speaker 13: families and the communities that were affected by this, because
Speaker 13: as dark as this is and just a horrible thing
Speaker 13: that's occurred, it take soalce in the fact that maybe
Speaker 13: we can be a force for good when all of
Speaker 13: this one people need help, and so that's what we
Speaker 13: really want to make sure we focus on.
Speaker 1: And I'm with you there on that, brother, Brandon Herrera,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining the Macage show. Thank
Speaker 1: you and stay tuned. Is America just an idea? What
Speaker 1: is an American?
Speaker 4: Anyway?
Speaker 1: Or McIntyre joins us in just a few moments, share
Speaker 1: with us who is and isn't an American?
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Speaker 1: That was US Congressman from Illinois, Delia Ramirez at of
Speaker 1: Pan American Congress in Mexico City, confidently declaring in Spanish
Speaker 1: to attendees that she's a proud Guatemalan before she's an American,
Speaker 1: not even a proud American. Ramirez sits on the House
Speaker 1: Homeland Security Committee. She has power and oversight over our
Speaker 1: borders and our nation security. But in a foreign land,
Speaker 1: in a foreign language, she declares her de facto allegiance
Speaker 1: to a foreign nation. What Ramirez ain't the only one.
Speaker 1: Congresswoman Elano mar of Minnesota did something similar when she
Speaker 1: said that Somalia was her real homeland. I can forgive
Speaker 1: that if she was fresh off the boat with barely
Speaker 1: a visa. But she's a sitting United States congresswoman with
Speaker 1: responsibility to America's safety and prosperity. As immigration rages as
Speaker 1: the single most important issue facing the United States today
Speaker 1: in this globalized world, within having gone completely off the
Speaker 1: rails at levels never seen in this nation's history, questions
Speaker 1: about sovereignty, identity, and loyalty.
Speaker 4: Come front and center.
Speaker 1: Most important question that comes to the forefront is this,
Speaker 1: what is an American? This will be a painful question
Speaker 1: for Americans not just to answer, but.
Speaker 4: To just think through.
Speaker 1: Questions about how long your family has been here for
Speaker 1: how many generations of what ethnicity? Religion, wealth, contributions to
Speaker 1: the country become highly contested, not just in the public square,
Speaker 1: but in the heart and soul of every American. The
Speaker 1: necessity is though, that this question does need to be
Speaker 1: answered in a way that Americans can agree on. Oh
Speaker 1: where do we start? And are we even ready for
Speaker 1: a new definition? Joining us now is the Blaze columnist
Speaker 1: and hosts of The Aren't McIntyre Show. He has a
Speaker 1: peace out discussing this very question of who is and
Speaker 1: isn't American? Ar In McIntyre so arn. What is a paperwork?
Speaker 1: American paperwork?
Speaker 14: Americans are the ones that we see on television. They
Speaker 14: just got here, usually often through some form of anchor
Speaker 14: baby situation, or they were brought in by the Biden
Speaker 14: administration or otherwise got to skip the line. They happen
Speaker 14: to be in the United States. They happen to be
Speaker 14: here legally, but they actually hate the United States. They
Speaker 14: spend all of their time talking about how it needs
Speaker 14: to be transformed, it has to be changed. They hate
Speaker 14: everything about it. We see guys like Zorammdani, and obviously,
Speaker 14: while technically he has American citizenship, he does not care
Speaker 14: about the country. He wants to turn it into some
Speaker 14: kind of socialist hellhole. That's how he feels about the
Speaker 14: United States. Yes, he just got here, but he knows
Speaker 14: what the United States should be, and he knows it
Speaker 14: better than the people who've been living here for hundreds
Speaker 14: of years.
Speaker 1: So then, in contrast, what is an actual American? You know,
Speaker 1: I've heard the term heritage American bandied about. Is that
Speaker 1: an accurate description of what natural American is?
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 14: Well, the term heritage American usually refers to people who
Speaker 14: have some kind of ancestry going back to the Civil War,
Speaker 14: and obviously, when you have that kind of heritage connection
Speaker 14: to the United States, that's very deep. But I do
Speaker 14: believe there are other Americans who are not necessarily attached
Speaker 14: to that historical time period that are still very much
Speaker 14: real Americans. The focus is about generational loyalty to America.
Speaker 14: What we want to shift away from is this idea
Speaker 14: that someone just walks onto American soil and then magically
Speaker 14: becomes an American because they happen to have raised their
Speaker 14: hand at some point.
Speaker 4: In repeated words.
Speaker 14: Truly, being American means investing in this country, it means
Speaker 14: intermarrying it means joining us religiously in learning the language.
Speaker 14: It means becoming part of community. Not ethnically editing yourself
Speaker 14: with a bunch of people who came in in the
Speaker 14: same wave of immigration, but truly turning yourself into American
Speaker 14: by immersing yourself in the culture and in the people.
Speaker 14: And this is generally a multi generational process. So the
Speaker 14: first person to come in when they're an immigrant might
Speaker 14: not totally feel like they are part of the American experience,
Speaker 14: but if they're doing things right, then over many generations,
Speaker 14: their children and their grandchildren will truly graft themselves into
Speaker 14: the American tree.
Speaker 1: So, you know, we talk about the Ukraine War and
Speaker 1: how these people are fighting Russia to stop themselves from
Speaker 1: becoming Russian and giving up on their democracy, and that
Speaker 1: they're actually Ukrainians now to imply some kind of ethnogenesis
Speaker 1: took place, right, Ukraine hasn't been a country for more
Speaker 1: than forty or fifty years. How come Americans who have
Speaker 1: been here for two hundred, three hundred, four hundred years
Speaker 1: aren't afforded the same consideration when it comes to ethnicity
Speaker 1: and what an American is.
Speaker 14: No, that is a truly amazing thing for some reason,
Speaker 14: it's so important for us to pretend that AA is
Speaker 14: not a real nation. It's all about proposition and ideas.
Speaker 14: But for some reason, Ukraine has this incredible border integrity.
Speaker 14: They've been a real nation for you know, the whole
Speaker 14: forty or fifty years they've been around. It is truly hypocritical,
Speaker 14: but we also find that it's just very useful when
Speaker 14: the regime, when the general globalist consensus wants people to
Speaker 14: suddenly care deeply and go to war, it turns out
Speaker 14: they're rabid nationalists who completely understand ethnicity, completely understand identity
Speaker 14: and sovereignty. But when it's convenient for them to go
Speaker 14: ahead and try to dissolve certain parts of the American
Speaker 14: identity or experience that it turns out we're all just
Speaker 14: kind of in an economic zone that doesn't have any
Speaker 14: real true understanding of who or what it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, I want to put a fine
Speaker 1: point on that, is America a propositional nation or is
Speaker 1: it an actual nation of people that's tied to an
Speaker 1: actual place.
Speaker 14: Well, I've been really glad to see jd Vance take
Speaker 14: on this issue. Of course, we are a nation of principles.
Speaker 14: Of course we are innation with a proposition, but that
Speaker 14: proposition is tied to a people. It comes from somewhere,
Speaker 14: It comes from a way of life that we understand.
Speaker 14: Our history, our heritage, our traditions. These are the things
Speaker 14: that make us Americans. Now, they naturally produce ideas and
Speaker 14: propositions that we tend to assent to. But that is
Speaker 14: not enough. It is a multifaceted identity, as any traditional
Speaker 14: identity has to be with many layers, language, religion, all
Speaker 14: these things add up to our understanding as Americans. And
Speaker 14: so it's not enough to simply say it's a proposition
Speaker 14: you can assent to. It has to be an identity
Speaker 14: that you live.
Speaker 4: And you know.
Speaker 1: Isn't this whole conversation ultimately about sovereignty and identity.
Speaker 14: Absolutely, if you don't have an identity, then you don't
Speaker 14: have sovereignty. You can only defend yourself truly as a
Speaker 14: nation when you understand what you're fighting for. And of course, again,
Speaker 14: we have principles, we have ideas, and we should fight
Speaker 14: for them, but we should recognize that they are tied
Speaker 14: to something much deeper, our experience as a people, and
Speaker 14: our should be ultimately to merge ourselves into that one
Speaker 14: people to understand each other in that way. That's why
Speaker 14: I think things like immigration moratoriums are so important in
Speaker 14: the United States because it will allow our scattered nation
Speaker 14: time to negotiate who we are and where are we
Speaker 14: going and what we want to be before we just
Speaker 14: start adding a bunch of people back into that mix.
Speaker 14: We need time to cool off and understand each other
Speaker 14: as a nation.
Speaker 1: Arn McIntyre, off the blaze, Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: that enlightening discussion, Thanks for having me. And coming up
Speaker 1: after the break was the Civil Rights era and the
Speaker 1: Civil Rights Act, the result of a Marxist foreign influence operation.
Speaker 1: Uncle Tom Starr and documentarian Chad Jackson joins me next
Speaker 1: to expose the truth about one of America's most sacred cows.
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Speaker 1: Did the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four usher
Speaker 1: in and America two point zero that unleashed Marxism, dei
Speaker 1: and wokeness into America and perhaps maybe even the end
Speaker 1: of freedom of association. Documentarian Chad Jackson came on this
Speaker 1: show a few weeks ago and stated doctor Martin Luther
Speaker 1: King's I Have a Dream Speech was actually a trojan
Speaker 1: horse to soften up Americans to help pass the Civil
Speaker 1: Rights Act.
Speaker 15: When you look at the I Have a Dream speech,
Speaker 15: it wasn't written by King. It was written by his
Speaker 15: Marxist advisor, Danie Levison. It was written by his Marxist
Speaker 15: attorney Clarence B. Jones and his Marxist organizer Bayard Rustin.
Speaker 4: And that.
Speaker 15: Blurb about Americans being judged not by the color of
Speaker 15: their skin but by the content of their character, they
Speaker 15: actually lifted that from eighteen seventy two newspaper article written
Speaker 15: by a Confederate journal This speech was meant to be
Speaker 15: a kind of trojan horse to so sensationalize Americans into
Speaker 15: lowering their guard. If you will, for the embracing of
Speaker 15: the Civil Rights Act in nineteen sixty four, which was
Speaker 15: unconstitutional legislation that opened the floodgates. I would argue for
Speaker 15: DEI in the Bell Hooks, in affirmative action in the
Speaker 15: iber Mexicandis and so on and so forth joining us.
Speaker 1: Now the star of the Uncle Tom movies and documentarian
Speaker 1: Chad Jackson. So, Chad explain this to me, how did
Speaker 1: the Civil Rights Act actually open up the door to
Speaker 1: Marxism DEI in wokeness.
Speaker 15: Well, it was a planned agenda from the very beginning,
Speaker 15: dating as far back as the late eighteen hundreds. But
Speaker 15: as you got into the nineteen thirties, under President fdr
Speaker 15: who served for consecutive terms, he was hell bent on
Speaker 15: sovietizing America, and just to put it in a word,
Speaker 15: so he formed a committee and that committee started something
Speaker 15: called the National Negro Congress. And the National Negro Congress
Speaker 15: was started with the help of the Soviet Union in
Speaker 15: Joseph Stalin. So you had the FEDS and you had
Speaker 15: the Soviet Union who basically concocted what was known then
Speaker 15: as the National Negro Congress, which was the pre eminent
Speaker 15: civil rights movement of the nineteen thirties, which would later
Speaker 15: morph into the Civil Rights movement under the leadership of
Speaker 15: Martin Luther King in the nineteen sixties. The interesting thing
Speaker 15: about King is that he surrounded himself with communists, chief
Speaker 15: among them with Stanley Levison, and their idea was to
Speaker 15: basically use symbolism and ideas that Americans were already familiar
Speaker 15: with and already in favor of, to use those as
Speaker 15: a kind of trojan horse to usher in civil rights legislation.
Speaker 15: And so it wasn't this notion. A lot of historians
Speaker 15: believe that, you know, Marxist kind of hijaz the movement,
Speaker 15: but it was a Marxist ploy from the very beginning.
Speaker 15: And you asked specifically about the Civil Rights Act in
Speaker 15: nineteen sixty.
Speaker 4: Three or sixty four.
Speaker 15: It opened the door for Marxists in so far that
Speaker 15: it usurped states rights with the intention to vest the
Speaker 15: federal government with more authority, because the Marxists have a
Speaker 15: goal which includes centralization of power, including in the free market,
Speaker 15: and that's what the Civil Rights Act in nineteen sixty
Speaker 15: four did in effect.
Speaker 4: So here's a question for you.
Speaker 1: Did the Civil Rights Act actually destroy the classical liberal
Speaker 1: principle of freedom of association, like something I thought that
Speaker 1: we got with our First Amendment.
Speaker 15: So you're right, we do have a freedom, the freedom
Speaker 15: of association, or at least we're supposed to. And what
Speaker 15: the Civil Rights Act in nineteen sixty four did is
Speaker 15: it replaced one tyrant for another, in other words, the
Speaker 15: tyranny of the states, which in some cases were imposing,
Speaker 15: you know, which door a Negro can go in versus
Speaker 15: which door a white person can go in. We're in
Speaker 15: a theater, you can sit based upon your ethnicity, so
Speaker 15: on and so forth.
Speaker 4: Some of these.
Speaker 15: Laws did exist, these were called Jim Crow laws, but
Speaker 15: they were being repelled at the private and local and
Speaker 15: sometimes state level, depending on which you know, while we're
Speaker 15: talking about ranging from the turn of the twentieth century
Speaker 15: till in nineteen fifty four before the so called Brown
Speaker 15: Vy Board of Education decision, and so these things are
Speaker 15: already on their way out. It was just a matter
Speaker 15: of time. The Marxists saw this as an opportunity. In
Speaker 15: the FEDS saw this as an opportunity to kind of
Speaker 15: pile on, if you will, and replace that tyranny which
Speaker 15: was already going away. With the tyranny of the federal government,
Speaker 15: which will come in and demand you know who a
Speaker 15: business does hire or does serve in terms of saying,
Speaker 15: you know, you have to serve and hire everyone, and
Speaker 15: making it difficult to get rid of, you know, persons
Speaker 15: who aren't performing well. And we now live in a situation,
Speaker 15: thanks to the Civil rights movement, where if I, a
Speaker 15: black man, am fired because I'm not performing, I can
Speaker 15: easily say, you know, they did it because I'm black,
Speaker 15: and take the court the case to court, and my
Speaker 15: likelihood of winning is quite high. We've seen this time
Speaker 15: and again post civil rights legislation.
Speaker 4: So would you say the Civil Rights Act needs to
Speaker 4: be repealed.
Speaker 15: Absolutely, And it's not just a civil rights Act. It's
Speaker 15: a lot of race based policies that we've seen become
Speaker 15: part and parcel of American culture over the course of
Speaker 15: the twentieth century. I believe that Loving the Virginia needs
Speaker 15: to be repelled, the Civil Rights Act and needs to
Speaker 15: be repelled, The Voting Rights Act needs to be repelled.
Speaker 15: All of these so called acts, these laws and legislation
Speaker 15: need to be repealed because they have been effective once
Speaker 15: again in sovietizing America. And it all goes back to
Speaker 15: the FDR administration, and in some cases it goes back
Speaker 15: even further than that, because when you look at FDR's administration,
Speaker 15: he introduced something in nineteen forty four called the Second
Speaker 15: Bill of Rights. And the Second Bill of Rights differed
Speaker 15: from the original Bill of Rights, which guarantee things like
Speaker 15: freedom of association, freedom of speech, and things of this nature.
Speaker 15: What the Second Bill of Rights did is it focused
Speaker 15: more on tangible so called rights that weren't really rights
Speaker 15: at all. These included things like the right to fair housing,
Speaker 15: the right to a job, the right to food and water,
Speaker 15: and things of this nature, things that one can accumulate
Speaker 15: purely by conventional means. You don't need the government to
Speaker 15: guarantee these things for you. All you have to do
Speaker 15: is go out and work and you'll get those things.
Speaker 15: But what it didn't affect, once again, is it opened
Speaker 15: the kind of floodgates for a lot of legislation that
Speaker 15: would come after, which is which is meant to turn
Speaker 15: America into a socialist country. Quite frankly, well, you.
Speaker 1: Know, though, that is a that is a spicy segment
Speaker 1: right there.
Speaker 4: I think that, But I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of these these race based policies,
Speaker 1: race based legislation.
Speaker 4: Do need to go?
Speaker 1: H documentarian Chad Jackson, Uh, the star of the Uncle
Speaker 1: Tom documentaries. I was a co star with him too.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much Chad for joining the show. Really
Speaker 1: great conversation.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 1: And in just a few moments, a pastor joins me
Speaker 1: to discuss the one line in the Book of Genesis
Speaker 1: that's driving the Middle East form policy of the entire
Speaker 1: Republican Party.
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Speaker 1: Ever, as a young man, I went to Catholic school
Speaker 1: even though I'm a Hindu. My time at maclad Heart
Speaker 1: of Mary School in Brooklyn and Saint Joseph's Rose Bank
Speaker 1: and Staten Island were easily some of the best memories
Speaker 1: of my life. Sometimes my Catholic friends would cheat off
Speaker 1: my sheet during tests and religion class. But I can
Speaker 1: assure you I'm no expert in any kind of theology
Speaker 1: or eschatology. However, an interview on this show a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago with Congressman Marjorie Taylor Green really illustrated to
Speaker 1: me how important theology and eschatology is when it comes
Speaker 1: to how the United States government is run and why
Speaker 1: it makes the decisions it does.
Speaker 4: Today.
Speaker 1: Here's Marjorie Taylor Green on why our government gives everything
Speaker 1: to Israel.
Speaker 16: It feels like our government is occupied because our government tiptoes.
Speaker 16: Every member of Congress tiptoes. The administration, whether it's Democrat
Speaker 16: or Republican, tiptoes around and obeys and gives Israel every
Speaker 16: wish that they demand, to the point of fighting.
Speaker 1: Foreign wars for them.
Speaker 16: Why will tell you something, I for one Verse and Genesis.
Speaker 16: They are all held and beholdened to the verse in
Speaker 16: Genesis that says, bless those who bless you, and curse
Speaker 16: those who curse you. Well, God was talking to Abraham.
Speaker 16: He wasn't talking to the secular government of Israel, and
Speaker 16: Christians today need to wake up to that.
Speaker 1: One verse in the Book of Genesis in the Bible
Speaker 1: is doing all the heavy lifting for Israel in our government,
Speaker 1: particularly the Republican Party. I had to find out more
Speaker 1: so I invited pastor and author of the Boniface Option
Speaker 1: Andrew Isker, So, explain this to me, Andrew, what verse
Speaker 1: or interpretation of what verse in Genesis is driving the
Speaker 1: Republican Party's foreign policy today, especially we're talking about the
Speaker 1: Middle East and Israel.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 11: So it's a verse in the Book of Genesis in
Speaker 11: chapter twelve where God is speaking to Abraham and tells
Speaker 11: him that I will bless those who bless you, and
Speaker 11: curse those who curse you, and make you a great nation,
Speaker 11: and you will be a blessing to all the families
Speaker 11: on the earth. And its interpretations are have varied, especially recently,
Speaker 11: but the interpretation that has the most currency, at least
Speaker 11: in terms of public political debate, is that all right, well,
Speaker 11: that applies to Israel, particularly the nation state of Israel
Speaker 11: that was founded in nineteen forty eight, that God is
Speaker 11: speaking about them. So that's that's what representative Green was
Speaker 11: saying there.
Speaker 1: And so how old is that particular interpretation and in
Speaker 1: this I guess version of Christianity or interpretation of Christianity
Speaker 1: like that the founding like is this what the founding
Speaker 1: fathers ascribed to or is this something different?
Speaker 11: Well, it's actually a very recent phenomenon. I mean, if
Speaker 11: you take the history of the Christian Church as a
Speaker 11: two thousand year old thing, it's something that is about
Speaker 11: one hundred hundred and fifty years old, So in a
Speaker 11: span of two thousand years, that's a pretty recent development.
Speaker 11: It's from the school, the theological school called dispensationalism, where
Speaker 11: they take a different a different view that the Church
Speaker 11: has historically on the issue of Israel and the issue
Speaker 11: of the covenants. And yeah, it really it had its
Speaker 11: beginnings in England in the middle of the nineteenth century
Speaker 11: and really didn't gain huge widespread currency in the United
Speaker 11: States and until the middle of the twentieth century, but
Speaker 11: definitely after Cyrus Schofield published the Schofield Reference Bible in
Speaker 11: the late nineteenth century or early twentieth century.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so if it's not that old, and like our
Speaker 1: founders were probably not actually into it, clearly based on
Speaker 1: the timeline. When did like Americans like wake wake up
Speaker 1: or get woke to this interpretation of this verse?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 11: Really it it It's.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 11: I would say it became like a majority view within
Speaker 11: within conservative Bible believing evangelicalism. Really not until the middle
Speaker 11: of the twentieth century. Really really not until nineteen forty eight,
Speaker 11: when when Israel was was made a nation state. Would
Speaker 11: did that did it really become the majority view of
Speaker 11: most conservative evangelical Christians. Prior prior to that, Uh, people,
Speaker 11: people had a variety of views, you know, largely the
Speaker 11: major view throughout the history of the church was that
Speaker 11: was that the the Covenant, the promises that God had
Speaker 11: made that those belonged to Jesus in his church, and
Speaker 11: the application of that then is those who bless the church,
Speaker 11: those who bless Christ, that's who will be blessed. And
Speaker 11: those who cursed Christ and his Church those will be
Speaker 11: who will be cursed. And so the major shift takes
Speaker 11: place really after nineteen forty eight when they're like, oh, well,
Speaker 11: now they're in the same place that that they were
Speaker 11: in Bible times, so it must be a fulfillment of
Speaker 11: all of these promises in scripture regarding a return to
Speaker 11: the land in in you know, Israel in you know
Speaker 11: what's called the Holy Land, Right, That's what that's about.
Speaker 11: So it really it because of events, because of historical
Speaker 11: events that took place, right, That's what caused a lot
Speaker 11: of people to change, to change their thinking.
Speaker 1: And so I want to I kind of want to
Speaker 1: switch gears with you because you are from Minnesota and
Speaker 1: news of this transhooter murdering kids at a church, you know,
Speaker 1: I think of that Jordan Peterson line about how people
Speaker 1: like this hate God for the crime of being.
Speaker 4: Do you think there's something to that? Yeah?
Speaker 11: Absolutely, I mean, I don't know if you've seen, you know,
Speaker 11: some of the things that that the shooter, you know,
Speaker 11: at least allegedly wrote in a in a journal, but
Speaker 11: just just talked about hating life, hating hating existence, really
Speaker 11: hating hating everything about life and and having you know,
Speaker 11: these uh regrets, and and wishes to do harm to
Speaker 11: other people because of it. And yeah, I think that
Speaker 11: point is is exactly right, that that this was this
Speaker 11: was a person, you know, obviously a very highly disturbed
Speaker 11: and wanted to wanted to do harm to to Christians. Uh,
Speaker 11: wanted to do harm to to young people. There's also
Speaker 11: an image of the shooter. He uh, he's shot at
Speaker 11: a at a gun range and put an image of
Speaker 11: christ On on the target. And so they're very clearly
Speaker 11: a person that had tremendous animosity toward toward any any
Speaker 11: kind of Christian things.
Speaker 1: Well, it's really sad, and I hope there's some kind
Speaker 1: of justice brought to the families that want these children.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: Andrew Whisker, author of the Boniface Option, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining and enlightening our audience.
Speaker 11: Yes, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: All right, and that's all the time we have. We'll
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