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Speaker 2: Right back to the NBA Draft we go, and this
Speaker 2: time we're heading to one of the top sources that
Speaker 2: is out there, Tyler Metcalf NBA Draft Analysts at no
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Speaker 2: metcalf eleven. I assume before we get rolling, you guys
Speaker 2: have some extensive coverage coming your way tonight.
Speaker 1: How can people find any live streams?
Speaker 2: Any recaps that you may have going on over the
Speaker 2: next couple of days.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, We'll be going live seven thirty easterns an our
Speaker 3: no Ceilings YouTube channel. We'll be going at the same
Speaker 3: time a little preview show capping both or recapping day one,
Speaker 3: you know, going through all the picks, covering everything. We'll
Speaker 3: have a whole rotating cast and crew all around the
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Speaker 3: regularly updating kind of an initial reactions piece over at
Speaker 3: no ceilings on day dot com where you can find
Speaker 3: all of our written work and links to our draft
Speaker 3: guide and all that good stuff, including new Intel mock
Speaker 3: draft and final big board that went up to this.
Speaker 1: All right, it's a shame you guys haven't done more
Speaker 1: work on the draft, but uh, maybe didn't give you enough.
Speaker 2: It feels like things are starting to solidify in the
Speaker 2: in terms of what we know Flag at one, Harper
Speaker 2: at two that's been known for a minute, VJ Edge
Speaker 2: Come at three, feels like that one is in terms
Speaker 2: of the betting markets. I mean, it feels like that
Speaker 2: is already a decision that's been made with him going
Speaker 2: to Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: Can Nipple at four to Charlotte.
Speaker 2: Does the draft start at five or do you still
Speaker 2: think there's some mystery there between between the ranges of
Speaker 2: three and five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it obviously only takes one team and
Speaker 3: you know, one player to shake everything up, and Shilly
Speaker 3: has been pretty guarded. It kind of seems to be
Speaker 3: I know, Charlotte really want to want to be but
Speaker 3: I really have to allow fit the offer I think
Speaker 3: to go there. So base letl we're hearing that force
Speaker 3: seems pretty slidified and that sounds like Utah the griptures
Speaker 3: there and it's sounds like it they kind of have
Speaker 3: a split camp between whether they're going someone want Ace Bailey,
Speaker 3: there's want my fears, So that that's kind of where
Speaker 3: the draft seems like it's probably gonna start.
Speaker 1: What is going on with Ace Bailey?
Speaker 2: Do you think that this process has been poorly managed
Speaker 2: or at least as poorly managed as as it's been reported,
Speaker 2: or is there actually some semblance of a reasonable strategy
Speaker 2: baked in there of not going and taking these visits
Speaker 2: to see if he can funnel himself to the place
Speaker 2: he wants to play.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's been a weird process and it kind
Speaker 3: of you know, it feels gross a little bit, but
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, the agent is just
Speaker 3: doing what he thinks is best for his client and
Speaker 3: and they think that his best landing spot is somewhere
Speaker 3: on the East coast, and the top candidates seemed to
Speaker 3: be either Washington in Brooklyn. Now, those are two of
Speaker 3: the teams who had worst loss. Lucked on lottery night
Speaker 3: and they fell a little bit, so that also kind
Speaker 3: of plays into this. But we saw Alex Sard do
Speaker 3: a similar thing with Washington last year. He didn't even
Speaker 3: want He refused to work out for Atlanta at one
Speaker 3: because so Bailey's trying to start trying to do some
Speaker 3: of that. But that's a lot easier to do when
Speaker 3: the team you're trying to see yourself too is like
Speaker 3: two or three instead of six or eight, Because at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, I have been picking at five.
Speaker 3: It's like, Hey, the best player able we can here
Speaker 3: a franchise stranger. Sorry, He's like, we know you might
Speaker 3: not want to be here, but we're gonna take you.
Speaker 3: And then had basically control over your contractor the next
Speaker 3: eight years.
Speaker 4: Tyler, Tyler, Karen here Brooklyn at number eight. They now
Speaker 4: have it seems like they're playing a video game, doing
Speaker 4: a a mock simulation in two K with five first
Speaker 4: round picks in tonight's draft, could they be a prospect
Speaker 4: they've been mentioned as a team or they haven't been
Speaker 4: mentioned as a team that Ace Bailey isn't willing to
Speaker 4: go to. Do we think there's a good potential of
Speaker 4: Brooklyn potentially leap frogging up to three making a trade
Speaker 4: with Philadelphia in order to get Ace Bailey, Or do
Speaker 4: we think that with a sliding there's a chance that
Speaker 4: they could stay at eight and still end up with
Speaker 4: potentially one of the top three prospects in this draft.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they if they're dead set on eighth, I
Speaker 3: think they're gonna have to go up to four to
Speaker 3: probably get him, because I'd be surprised if Washington pass
Speaker 3: on him. Jeremiah Fears and Trey Johnson has also been
Speaker 3: linked loosely with Washington, but just the type of guys
Speaker 3: that they've been swinging on recently, Ace makes too much
Speaker 3: sense there, so I'd be really surprised if if you
Speaker 3: Tap passes on him. I would almost expect it's like
Speaker 3: an ninety five percent champs that Washington will take him
Speaker 3: at six. So I think if if Washington's worried about
Speaker 3: Utah taking eight, I think they're going to have to
Speaker 3: jump up to four. If Brooklyn's worried about either of
Speaker 3: them taking them, I think they're going to have to
Speaker 3: jump up to four. And that's where both of them
Speaker 3: having multiple first round picks gets in triggering and Charlotte
Speaker 3: can potentially start a bit of a bidding war here
Speaker 3: if they aren't head over heels so that they may
Speaker 3: love Con. But even if they trade back to six,
Speaker 3: same you know, a little more outside shot. But if
Speaker 3: they even go back to eight, still have a pretty
Speaker 3: good shot at getting Con there as well. So I
Speaker 3: it's the optimism from Brooklyn wanting Ah to be there,
Speaker 3: But I'd be really really surprised if you fell all
Speaker 3: the way to eight.
Speaker 4: Looking at the latest mock on no Ceilings NBA. You
Speaker 4: do have, they do have Jeremiah fears going to Washington,
Speaker 4: but it's at the eighth teenth pick. What's the concern
Speaker 4: for a guy who has gotten better throughout the year
Speaker 4: once he kind of got the keys handed to him
Speaker 4: at Oklahoma and has some major top ten upside and
Speaker 4: is being projected in that top ten range by a
Speaker 4: lot of outlets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that was the what what we would do.
Speaker 3: I think on our front held predictive mock we had
Speaker 3: and our team is very very split on fears. I
Speaker 3: have fears that you know, top seven. I think he's awesome,
Speaker 3: definitely by the upside, But when we look at there's
Speaker 3: always at least one or two guys who really fall
Speaker 3: in the draft, and it looks like him and Derek
Speaker 3: Queen could be the two names who potentially have that
Speaker 3: fall because the fears doesn't go in that you know
Speaker 3: that that five to eight range, it could get pretty
Speaker 3: tricky in terms of where where it makes sense for
Speaker 3: him in terms of a fit and style of play
Speaker 3: and what they need in terms of point guard play,
Speaker 3: and he could fall quite a bit. I don't think
Speaker 3: he will. I think in our predictive mock today that
Speaker 3: went up we had him going at ten because everyone
Speaker 3: we've talked to is like emphatic. Now he's a top
Speaker 3: ten guy, and while Phoenix does need a point guard
Speaker 3: for the long term, it also one shock me if
Speaker 3: someone just trades up for him. So I think the
Speaker 3: talent and the upside with him are just too good
Speaker 3: for a guy who reclassified up a year as a
Speaker 3: point guard. Historically, those guys are never good, and he
Speaker 3: was awesome at Oklahoma This year.
Speaker 2: Tyler Metcalf joining us NBA Draft analyst at no Ceilings
Speaker 2: NBA dot com, our go to source for NBA draft
Speaker 2: information and prospect rankings.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about Walter Clayton Jr. As a prospect?
Speaker 2: And is there any chance he's still sitting there at
Speaker 2: twenty five when the Orlando Magic select a player.
Speaker 3: If he is there at twenty five, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 3: the Magic are going to be sprinting to the podium
Speaker 3: to take him. But I would be pretty surprised if
Speaker 3: he fell past Miami at this point. All signs seem
Speaker 3: to be pointing towards that he shut down everything right
Speaker 3: after the work out with them, and it seems like
Speaker 3: he's hinting pretty hard, but he's going to Miami. He's
Speaker 3: an awesome fit, really fun shot maker, and the way
Speaker 3: he took over the NCAA tournament was incredible. But even
Speaker 3: before then, going back to his stays at IONA, really
Speaker 3: fun shooter, creative, smart, fun passer. He's just a hooper.
Speaker 3: You know, there are some limitations he's older, but at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, he's just one of these
Speaker 3: guys who's probably gonna have a very long career, played
Speaker 3: some very fun basketball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does feel like that if it's not Clayton,
Speaker 2: can you give the Magic fans that are listening a
Speaker 2: player that they should be doing backflips over if they're
Speaker 2: available at twenty five?
Speaker 3: I think Drake Richardson makes a lot of sense. He
Speaker 3: is really small, but he's a former NBA pro Jason
Speaker 3: Richardson's son in really high level, a really smart player,
Speaker 3: creative passer. He just kind of played a shooting guard
Speaker 3: role for Michigan State this year because that's what was
Speaker 3: asked of him, and he was the best shooter of
Speaker 3: the guards, so he kind of got relegated into that
Speaker 3: more shooting guard. But he is a lot more passing
Speaker 3: upside and playing off of Bronze and Polo and Desmond Vanes,
Speaker 3: I think he'll give he would give the Magic a
Speaker 3: ton of spacing and versatility and just overall IQ at
Speaker 3: that kind of pseudo point guard spot where he's not
Speaker 3: necessarily having to create everything and run the offense, but
Speaker 3: he can play also in that off ball role.
Speaker 4: If it's not going to be a guard. If you're
Speaker 4: looking more to the winging forward or center. What are
Speaker 4: some names that come to mind for you for the magic.
Speaker 3: Liam McNeely makes a lot of big wing struggled at
Speaker 3: Yukon this year, but he had a nasty ankle turn
Speaker 3: midway through the season, and then just given how that
Speaker 3: team was playing, they had to basically play him at
Speaker 3: point guard, which isn't his game at all. He's you know,
Speaker 3: third or fourth offensive option. And the spot up guys
Speaker 3: really good rebounders, smart cutters, smart off ball mover, smart
Speaker 3: pather in that role playing off of front and Polow
Speaker 3: kind of similar to what I was talking about with Jason.
Speaker 3: I think the spot up shooting shooting numbers are going
Speaker 3: to skyrocket and then more of a wild card home
Speaker 3: run type of swing. Will Riley, the wing from Illinois,
Speaker 3: got off to a scorching start, struggled in the middle
Speaker 3: of the season, and then finished really strong, smart player,
Speaker 3: incredibly active on both ends of the floor. He's just
Speaker 3: so skinny he has to add you know, twenty to
Speaker 3: thirty pounds before he can really handle NBA physicality. So
Speaker 3: he might be more of the long term play, but
Speaker 3: the shooting upside with him is really fun and he
Speaker 3: just plays incredibly hard all the time with some pretty
Speaker 3: interesting off ball offensive upside.
Speaker 4: One more quick thing on the Magic before he let
Speaker 4: you go, because Orlando has been a wild card some years,
Speaker 4: reaching on guys and frankly looking back far of going
Speaker 4: getting guys that you might never have heard of. So
Speaker 4: some of these international prospects that might be around at
Speaker 4: twenty five, Ben Saraf, Nolan Trey, Are, Hugo Gonzalez. Are
Speaker 4: there any of those guys that maybe you would fit
Speaker 4: Orlando that when when Magic fans hear their name here
Speaker 4: his name called, do you have any insight on any
Speaker 4: of those guys where that Magic fans can can feel
Speaker 4: like they actually have an idea of who the team
Speaker 4: has taken.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I feel like Hugo Gonzalez fits the most
Speaker 3: in terms of the style of play that Orlando tends
Speaker 3: to steer forwards. Ben Seraff is an awesome playmaker, great
Speaker 3: positional size, The shot is a big question mark. Nolan
Speaker 3: Treyorri smaller guards, super fast shot, big question mark. Processing
Speaker 3: the comic question mark. He keeps skating link to Brooklyn,
Speaker 3: so I'm assuming that's probably where he's going to Land.
Speaker 3: But Hugo Gonzales is a measured really well six six
Speaker 3: bare foot, plays with a hair on fire, has an
Speaker 3: attitude to an awesome defender, gets out in space, really athletic.
Speaker 3: The shots still a question, but some really interesting transition offense,
Speaker 3: rim pressure stuff.
Speaker 1: He kind of.
Speaker 3: Reminds me of a mix of like Christian Brown in
Speaker 3: Denver and Dennie denni Adia in Portland.
Speaker 2: Tyler Metcalf NBA draft analysts at no Ceilings NBA dot com.
Speaker 2: Also check out the no Ceilings NBA YouTube channel for
Speaker 2: live streams that they will have tonight in reaction to
Speaker 2: the NBA Draft.
Speaker 1: We sing your.
Speaker 2: Praises all the time on this show, so thanks so
Speaker 2: much for hopping on with us. We appreciate the insight
Speaker 2: any to serving. So what do you think Tyler Will
Speaker 2: Riley are we? Are you a fan of that idea
Speaker 2: wy wary guard slash forward out of Illinois.
Speaker 1: I think that he can be good for somebody. You know.
Speaker 4: This isn't my guys who I say stay away from.
Speaker 4: It's for magic specific, it's not for NBA. Has a hole.
Speaker 4: He's a He's supposed to be a knockdown shooter that
Speaker 4: has great size to him and steal a lot of
Speaker 4: room to grow. I think that he can, he can
Speaker 4: build off of that. But for this Magic team, I
Speaker 4: think he's too much of a prospect. If you want
Speaker 4: to reset the cycle, restart the cycle with Jet Howard,
Speaker 4: go ahead and get Will Riley. But right now that
Speaker 4: hasn't panned out too well for Jet, so I think
Speaker 4: that the two might be too similar. Six' nine a.
Speaker 4: Bust he's, six he's he's, tall He's i'm not saying
Speaker 4: that he. Isn't he's got a great body on.
Speaker 2: Him but oh, well WHAT i was saying IS i
Speaker 2: think just based off of the height and, WAIT i
Speaker 2: Mean i'm six FEET i weigh like two. Ten he's six,'
Speaker 2: nine he's one. Eighty, six yeah. He's tall, My god
Speaker 2: so he's a. Cheeseburger man, come on let's go negative.
Speaker 2: WINGSPAN too. I can't.
Speaker 4: I can't i can't touch the six eight pluses with
Speaker 4: the negative wingspan that has.
Speaker 2: Been bane you have a pass coming? Up, next yeah
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