WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:03.720 Hello Eighties movies lovers. Bill band here, co host of 2 00:00:03.759 --> 00:00:07.040 the All Eighties Movies Podcast, with a quick announcement before 3 00:00:07.080 --> 00:00:09.679 we start this week's episode, I wanted to take a 4 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:13.039 moment to share some news. After six and a half seasons, 5 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:16.359 my co host Jason Massek, has decided to step away 6 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:20.559 from the podcast to focus on some other projects. Jason, 7 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:22.719 thank you for everything you've brought to the show over 8 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:26.519 the past six years. Your insights, humor, and passion for 9 00:00:26.559 --> 00:00:29.519 eighties movies helped make this podcast what it is today, 10 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:32.159 and I truly wish you nothing but the best and 11 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:35.960 whatever comes next, And who knows, maybe someday we'll return 12 00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:40.079 as a special guest to revisit one of his favorite movies. Now, 13 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:42.240 for those of you wondering, this is not the end 14 00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:45.079 of the All Eighties Movies Podcast. I plan to keep 15 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:47.280 the show going with plenty of guest hosts while I 16 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:50.320 search for the right permanent co host. There are still 17 00:00:50.359 --> 00:00:52.840 so many awesome movies from the greatest decade in movie 18 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:55.600 history to discuss, and I can't wait to keep sharing 19 00:00:55.640 --> 00:00:58.520 those conversations with all of you. One quick note about 20 00:00:58.560 --> 00:01:03.000 today's episode, do do some unexpected technical issues during recording, 21 00:01:03.240 --> 00:01:07.079 we were not able to capture Jason's final movie rating, 22 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:11.760 so unfortunately that part of the episode is missing. Finally, 23 00:01:12.319 --> 00:01:14.680 I just want to say thank you to everyone who 24 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:18.040 has listened, supported and followed us over these past six 25 00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:43.079 and a half years. So with that, let's start our show. Hello, 26 00:01:43.239 --> 00:01:46.079 and welcome to the Old Eighties Movies podcast podcast where 27 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:48.159 we talk about the flops or so flops and everything 28 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:51.280 in between. Who won the Presus Decades for movies the 29 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:53.760 nineteen eighties? I'm host Bill Bett. Won with me on 30 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:56.400 this journey of revisiting eighties movies is my co host 31 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:58.239 Jason Massek. Hello Jason. 32 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:00.920 Your crime is not that you got caught, but the 33 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:05.159 crime itself. Remember that. Hopefully you will realize what you 34 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:07.879 did is wrong. Hopefully you'll never do anything like that again. 35 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:11.400 This is a juvenile facility. That means you are not 36 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:14.639 in charge of the zoo. We are. If you think 37 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:19.319 your hip, you're not. If you were, you wouldn't be here. 38 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:22.840 That's right, Listeners, We are discussing with spoilers of twenty 39 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:27.080 the nineteen eighty three prison drama Bad Boys. It was 40 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:31.120 produced by EMI Films and the Solo Film Company and 41 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:35.199 distributed it by Universal Pictures. The movie stars Sean Penn, 42 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:39.599 E Sigh Morales, and Ali Sheedy. Directed by Rick Rosenthal, 43 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:41.759 This movie's rated R with the running time of two 44 00:02:41.800 --> 00:02:45.120 hours and three minutes. So what is this movie about? 45 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:46.879 What's on the box? If you grew up in the 46 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:49.360 nineteen eighties and what's your local video story. To rent 47 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:52.439 this movie, you would find this description on the back 48 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:53.520 of the VHS box. 49 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:54.919 It is what's on the box? 50 00:02:55.280 --> 00:02:56.199 Take it away, Jason. 51 00:02:56.840 --> 00:02:59.560 At the age of nine, they've joined a street gang. 52 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:03.520 At twelve, they're pushing drugs. At sixteen, they're part of 53 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:08.599 a nightmare teenage underworld of rape, mugging, armed robbery, and murder. 54 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:13.759 Bad Boys, Bad Boys? Jason, you were me? That was short? 55 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:18.960 Could that be the shortest What's on the box of 56 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:19.400 all time? 57 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:22.800 And most nondescriptive of the movie that we thought. Also, 58 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:24.240 it doesn't tell you anything about the movie. 59 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:28.520 Nothing at all, Nothing at all. Wow. Very curious. 60 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:32.759 Yeah, interesting, it was different. So that was what's on 61 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:35.240 the box? Jason. Do you remember the first time you 62 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:36.199 saw Bad Boys? 63 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:38.879 No, of course not, because I've never seen this film 64 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:42.599 until watching it for this podcast. And that's just fitting. 65 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:46.719 After reading the What's on the Box synopsis because yeah, 66 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:50.639 I was curious about this. I knew Sean Penn was 67 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:54.919 in this and iSIG Morales. And I'd actually listened to 68 00:03:55.280 --> 00:03:58.840 another podcast discussing this film, and I was like, what what? Wait? 69 00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:01.120 What what is Bad Boy? What are you talking about? 70 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:04.080 Not the Will Smith movie? Okay, this is a different 71 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:07.960 early eighties movies that I just was not aware of, 72 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:12.840 so very curious to investigate this one. But that's all 73 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:15.039 I got. Had you seen this before? Bill Ban? 74 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:17.680 I thought for sure I had not seen this at all, 75 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:21.319 so like, maybe I've just seen clips because there was 76 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:24.519 a lot in here I kind of remembered. Okay, but 77 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:26.920 I don't think I've seen it from beginning to band 78 00:04:27.079 --> 00:04:30.439 until this podcast. So yes, I would say it first 79 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:30.920 watch for me. 80 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:33.879 Also, all right, a first watch for both of us. 81 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:37.439 Then yes, all right, so let's talk about the movie. 82 00:04:37.560 --> 00:04:39.040 What are our impressions of Bad Boys? 83 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:45.279 Ooh, two hours, three minutes of dreary. This is one 84 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:48.240 of the most bleak movies I've ever seen. I'll say 85 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:50.639 this right now and I'll say it again. In my conclusion, 86 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:55.079 it's well done. It's a realistic depiction of life in 87 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:59.199 a juvenile correction facility. But this is a rough watch. 88 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:04.000 It's brutal and it's a bummer. It's really violent. It 89 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:09.480 has multiple rape sequences, beatings, and murders. I wish I 90 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:12.720 could say this was a great Chicago movie because that's 91 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:15.959 where it takes place. But I mean ninety percent of 92 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:20.759 it takes place inside the Rainford Juvenile Detention Center. So yeah, 93 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:24.759 I mean, these kids, these poor teenagers that have put 94 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:29.199 themselves in this situation, under these circumstances, they're involved in 95 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:32.879 some really really heavy shit. And I understand teenagers in 96 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:35.600 high school doing drugs and dealing drugs, but this is 97 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:41.199 real gang stuff and they're paying the price. What's your 98 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:43.600 initial impression? 99 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:46.879 Okay, I know this takes place as the juvenile detention center, 100 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:49.480 but I'm just gonna keep saying prison because it's just quicker. 101 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:50.879 To say it is it is. 102 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:56.279 This is my overall impression of the movie. Was who 103 00:05:56.360 --> 00:05:58.639 am I supposed to root for in this movie? 104 00:05:58.879 --> 00:05:59.279 Yeah? 105 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:05.160 Right away, our main character, played by Sean Penn O'Brien, 106 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:10.040 we see him mug a lady, then beat up a 107 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:13.439 guy for money. He's the one that we're following throughout 108 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:18.639 the story and Usually when you watch a prison film, 109 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:21.120 and I think the only other prison movie we've done 110 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:24.560 so far is Start Crazy. Usually the person that goes 111 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:30.639 to prison is innocent and has been wrongly accused, so 112 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:33.439 the whole time you're rooting for this person to find 113 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:37.120 justice to get out. Whereas in this film, it is 114 00:06:37.160 --> 00:06:40.879 what the title says. They are bad boys. Everybody in 115 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:45.879 this prison has done wrong. So why am I invested 116 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:50.279 in these characters? But I was two hours three minutes. 117 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:54.480 This movie flies okay, and that's always a great sign. 118 00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:59.240 And I almost felt guilty watching this rooting for O'Brien. 119 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:02.839 I'm like, I shouldn't be. He's a terrible person. He 120 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:07.240 killed someone in order to get into that juvenile facility. 121 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:10.720 I should not care. Whatever happens to him should happen 122 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:16.120 to him because he has done wrong. But I was invested. 123 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:18.279 That's the mark of a good movie. 124 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:22.040 Yeah, that's interesting. I agree. I was engaged the whole time. 125 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:25.720 I felt it was a little bit slow, though, I'm 126 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:27.639 going to disagree with you on that. At the two 127 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:30.360 hour running time I did not think was necessary. I 128 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:33.040 think this could have been done stepping in my complaints 129 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:36.600 already been done in probably an hour and forty five hour, 130 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:41.959 forty minutes. But you're right, I also was engaged, and 131 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:44.360 I mean, let's get into it. Let's talk about the cast. 132 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:47.920 I mean, let's talk about Sean Penn, who plays Mick O'Brien, 133 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:51.600 who is a thief. He's a thug, and he's sixteen 134 00:07:51.639 --> 00:07:55.600 years old and committing crimes on the street as you described, 135 00:07:56.040 --> 00:08:02.160 and then ends up in this facility. Now, man, he's 136 00:08:02.199 --> 00:08:04.519 got such a baby face. He's twenty two years old 137 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:08.079 when this comes out, and he looks like he's sixteen. 138 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:13.199 This is a year after Fast Times, and he looks younger. 139 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:16.600 That blew my mind. I kept thinking, wait, because I 140 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:18.800 kept thinking this movie came out in eighty two, because 141 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:20.079 I'm like, there's no way. 142 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:25.480 Super super young. He's excellent. Of course, he's raw, he's natural. 143 00:08:25.720 --> 00:08:29.720 So I really appreciated his performance. I mean, could you 144 00:08:29.879 --> 00:08:32.960 actually count on both hands how many lines he has 145 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:35.360 in this movie. He really doesn't speak that. 146 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:38.399 Much, No, he doesn't. Everything's in his face. 147 00:08:38.559 --> 00:08:43.679 Yeah, completely. This is a great example of face acting. 148 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:46.480 It's all in the eyes. And I'll get to that 149 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:48.799 later on in one of my favorite scenes. Actually, because 150 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:54.039 he's very stoic he's very cold. And the thing about 151 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:57.360 this movie was I'm trying to figure out who am 152 00:08:57.360 --> 00:09:00.200 I supposed to be invested in, Who is a redeemable 153 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:02.919 character and whose journey is am I supposed to Well, 154 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:06.000 obviously it's Mike O'Brien has Sean Penn, But it didn't 155 00:09:06.039 --> 00:09:08.360 seem like anything was happening until the end and then 156 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:11.200 I got it. I got it, and it got me, 157 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:13.919 so it was effective, I have to say that much. 158 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:18.159 Okay, he's great in this. You think about this cast. 159 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:21.080 Most of these people, it's their first roles right right, 160 00:09:21.679 --> 00:09:24.360 and most of them are still working here today, credit 161 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:29.240 to the casting department. And I think that's what really 162 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:33.279 kept me invested, was just watching all these actors in 163 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:36.600 young roles. Just everybody pretty much just knocked him out 164 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:39.240 of the park. I was just interested in all the characters, 165 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:41.960 even though I know these are all bad people and 166 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:45.360 I should not care or get two shits about him 167 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:47.720 because they've done wrong. 168 00:09:47.759 --> 00:09:51.840 Real wrong, like yes, homicide, multiple I want to talk 169 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:54.000 about Clancy Brown real quick. He's just at the top 170 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:57.440 of my mind because we were just talking about Buckaroo Bonzai, 171 00:09:57.759 --> 00:10:02.000 but this is actually his feature film debut as Viking 172 00:10:02.159 --> 00:10:07.519 Lofgren And this is Clancy Brown's first credit on IMDb 173 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:12.000 of three hundred and fifty seven credits. Here he is 174 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:16.120 making his debut and makes a real impact. I think 175 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:21.360 he's great in this with the blonde fro if you will, Yes, 176 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:24.360 when he's jogging in his jeens, which has got to 177 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:28.080 be really tough. He's very off putting in this, very disturbing. 178 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:31.039 I mean, what can you say? It's Clancy Brown. He's awesome. 179 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:34.480 Yeah, he plays a great bully in this without being 180 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:40.080 a stereotypical bully. He knows how to push people's buttons 181 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:43.200 more what's a look or a quick line doesn't go 182 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:47.360 to over the top. And yes, the Viking nickname is 183 00:10:47.440 --> 00:10:50.960 awesome because his blonde locked. He is really good in this, 184 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:53.039 and I think I was surprised to learn this. This 185 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:56.600 was his first role. He's still doing it today. Amazing. Yeah. 186 00:10:56.639 --> 00:10:58.679 Yeah, I mean he's got such a presence. I mean 187 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:00.919 he's got the height right, he's what six two sixty 188 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:05.879 three at least, so he's he might be, so he's 189 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:09.519 towering over everybody. But listeners, we're talking about these cast 190 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:11.879 of characters that are all, you know, stuck in this no, 191 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:14.720 I'm not stuck, but they landed in this juvenile prison. 192 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:17.679 I'm gonna say prison as well from now on. And 193 00:11:17.960 --> 00:11:21.279 it's a dreary situation, and they're all intimidating, and they're 194 00:11:21.320 --> 00:11:23.399 all going up against each other, and I want to 195 00:11:23.399 --> 00:11:27.600 talk about next. We've got Eric Gurry, who plays the 196 00:11:27.679 --> 00:11:32.480 character of Verry Horowitz, who basically is Sean Penn's buddy 197 00:11:32.519 --> 00:11:36.080 in this if you will, his best friend, his cellmate. 198 00:11:36.279 --> 00:11:39.200 Right now, what did you think of Eric Gurry who's 199 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:41.919 playing this kid we're talking about these kids that have 200 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:46.080 committed serious crimes. He fire bombed a bowling alley and 201 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:50.320 killed multiple people and says it as if it was nothing, 202 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:53.360 just kind of saying, this is why I'm here, and 203 00:11:53.399 --> 00:11:57.120 then befriends Sean Penn's character Mike O'Brien, What did you 204 00:11:57.159 --> 00:11:59.440 think of Eric Gurry's performance as Horowitz? 205 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:02.320 Had to laugh because when I first saw him, I'm like, 206 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:04.360 oh my god, he looks like a young Barry Manilow. 207 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:07.279 And then when you find out his famous Barry Horowitz, 208 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:10.120 I just kind of called him young Barry. 209 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:11.960 Sure, Okay, I was like, oh my god, this. 210 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:14.000 Would be so funny if this is the Barry Manilow story, 211 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:16.360 and this is how Barry started it out at juvenile 212 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:19.360 detention center and then he turns his life around becomes 213 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:25.320 this amazing musician. But as a character, yeah, he could 214 00:12:25.320 --> 00:12:28.639 have been annoying. He really could have. It's really a 215 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:30.879 fine line. I thought he was good because he's the 216 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:33.399 one that pretty much he gives the audience the information. 217 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:34.000 For sure. 218 00:12:34.159 --> 00:12:37.080 He's letting us as audience know who the players are 219 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:39.960 and what they do. And I did find it odd 220 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:43.679 that right away he tells O'Brien what he did. Oh yeah, 221 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:46.960 I firebombed Bowling Alley, killed three people. Unfortunately was the 222 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:51.360 wrong people. Like wow, that's very forthcoming. But that's who 223 00:12:51.440 --> 00:12:54.759 he kind of is the actor himself. He's only done 224 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:57.679 four movies. I think this was the second one, and 225 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:02.759 he is probably the weak of everyone in it. There 226 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:04.919 are a couple of lines that he delivers them like 227 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:08.919 h right. But I did like him. I like the 228 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:14.519 fact that social Butterfly could not handle being an isolation. 229 00:13:14.919 --> 00:13:18.279 He needs to be around people. So I did like 230 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:21.679 a But yes, I do think he was the weak link, right, 231 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:24.480 But as an audience, we need him, we need to 232 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:27.399 know what's going on and everything we find out is 233 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:27.879 through him. 234 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:29.840 That's right, because he's been there for a while. So 235 00:13:29.879 --> 00:13:32.159 that's a great point, and I totally agree with you. 236 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:34.399 I think he is the weak link as an actor. 237 00:13:34.440 --> 00:13:38.080 I had an issue with his performance at first, but 238 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:40.679 like you said, this is the interesting thing about this movie. 239 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:43.480 I actually became more and more invested in him as 240 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:46.960 the movie goes on, and I think he plays it 241 00:13:47.039 --> 00:13:50.000 in a way that is forced. He's a young actor. 242 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:54.320 It seems he's playing the character. He's playing at it 243 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:58.000 instead of being the character, if that makes any sense, 244 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:02.360 And it makes total sense from my point of view 245 00:14:02.440 --> 00:14:06.200 watching it, because that's who he would be. He would 246 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:08.879 be putting on a front the entire time. He would 247 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:11.480 be trying to be bigger than he is because he's small. 248 00:14:12.200 --> 00:14:14.159 So as it went on, I was like, oh, you 249 00:14:14.200 --> 00:14:20.080 know what, I actually buy this performance. Maybe it's by happenstance, 250 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:23.159 like it's by mistake, like that he's not a very 251 00:14:23.159 --> 00:14:26.480 good actor, but because he's playing at it the whole time, 252 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:29.080 it's like, yeah, that would make sense. Is this young 253 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:31.639 guy that he's just got to put up a front, 254 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:33.759 he's got to put up he's got to be try 255 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:36.840 to be bigger than he is the entire time. It's 256 00:14:36.879 --> 00:14:39.080 a weird thing about this movie. But moving on, I 257 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:40.799 don't want to spend too much time. But it's just 258 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:44.399 like going down this cast list. Isi morales Man, what 259 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:47.720 can you say? I love this guy. I've always loved him. 260 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:50.799 He's been in our lives for so long. What a 261 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:52.519 great head of hair, That's all I'm going to say, 262 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:58.440 first and foremost perfect? Right, yes, obviously still kicking ask 263 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:02.399 the guy literally does not age. I don't know it. 264 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:07.360 He doesn't. He looks the same outside of his gray hair. 265 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:09.799 I don't know how he doesn't. Back in the eighties 266 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:12.039 he was in LaBamba, of course, and then a couple 267 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:15.559 episodes of Miami Vice between eighty five and eighty seven. 268 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:18.960 So good to see him here in this as the 269 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:24.080 main antagonist. He's outstanding. He's a handsome guy, really handsome, 270 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:25.399 has always looked the same. 271 00:15:25.480 --> 00:15:28.919 Yep, he's really good. He doesn't fall into the stereotypes, 272 00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:34.519 and he commands the room. He's in charge of their gang, 273 00:15:34.799 --> 00:15:37.639 right they have in Chicago. In a way, we're supposed 274 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:40.159 to be rooting against him, or in a way rooting 275 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:43.879 for him, because O'Brien killed his brother so he has 276 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:47.559 a reason to be vengeful. But then he turns around 277 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:51.440 and rapes O'Brien's girlfriend. Oh it's oh shitty. So it 278 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:55.360 just makes them terrible. But why am I invested this guy? 279 00:15:55.399 --> 00:15:58.600 He's a bad person. We've seen him already kill someone, 280 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:01.879 rape someone. Should be like O'Brien, just fucking kill him 281 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:05.559 call it a day, yay, But no, I want to 282 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:06.600 know what's going on with them. 283 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:09.600 Yeah, it's a great point. So this is the question, right, 284 00:16:09.639 --> 00:16:12.240 why are we investing in these characters? Because this is 285 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:15.440 really really a dark movie. So we're watching Mick O'Brien, 286 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:19.360 Sean Penn's character, and he's dealing with a dysfunctional family. 287 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:21.720 We see him at home, it's a broken home. He 288 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:26.200 has no father figure. Then we see Issi Morales as 289 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:30.480 Paco Moreno, who's supposed to be the main antagonist. But 290 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:33.399 we see his family situation, and we see how much 291 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:36.840 he cares about his younger brother, about his mother. We 292 00:16:36.879 --> 00:16:41.519 see his family, although he's clearly a drug dealer and 293 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:44.559 he's going down the wrong path, but we are immediately 294 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:48.679 somehow empathetic to his situation or investing in because of 295 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:52.960 we can see inside that family situation, and it's not 296 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:54.840 an easy thing that he's dealing with. And that's the 297 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:59.360 other thing is like, we see these kids, it's really hardcore. 298 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:02.000 We see them in the high school life, which is 299 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:04.279 the segue to my next actor I want to talk about, 300 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:07.680 which is Alan Ruck. It's really weird seeing him so 301 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:10.559 young in this. I really will always know him as 302 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:14.400 Cameron from Farisuler's day Off, of course, but to see 303 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:17.160 him and then in the high school situation, they're just babies, 304 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:21.839 but then out on the streets they're committing adult crimes 305 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:24.880 and it's pretty rough. But I didn't know if you 306 00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:29.200 had anything to say about seeing Alan Ruck, because he's 307 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:32.759 got a good part in this and he's really good. 308 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:35.680 We'll talk about it soon here, but any thoughts on 309 00:17:35.759 --> 00:17:36.319 Alan Ruck. 310 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:38.599 I don't know what to say. Besides I'm like, holy shit, 311 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:42.559 it's Cameron, that's all they came to mind. And what 312 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:45.599 his fate ends up being that was a surprise to me. 313 00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:48.839 What wasn't a surprise. I knew what happened to him, 314 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:53.680 but still seeing it happen was a surprise. Wow, good 315 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:56.480 guy Cameron from Paris Bueler Here he is kind of 316 00:17:56.480 --> 00:17:59.039 part of a gang also it blew my mind. 317 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:01.799 Yeah, yeah, he's great. I'm just gonna give a couple 318 00:18:01.799 --> 00:18:05.079 more shout outs. One being the standout for me in 319 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:10.759 this film was Rennie Santoni playing counselor Ramon Herrera. I 320 00:18:10.839 --> 00:18:13.799 recognized him right away. Spoiler alert. I'm going to talk 321 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:16.640 about him later. Anyway, I thought he was really solid. 322 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:20.880 He kind of was the anchor in this. I don't know, 323 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:24.039 he was the grounding factor in this. I just really 324 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:27.960 enjoyed how he dealt with make O'Brien's, you know, the 325 00:18:28.279 --> 00:18:32.160 Sean Penn's character, and then Paco after that, but everybody 326 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:35.400 in the juvenile detension facility. I just wanted to give 327 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:38.160 him a shout out. And then moving right on to Ali. 328 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:40.200 Sheety here she is in this. I think she was 329 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:42.279 under used in this. I have a little bit of 330 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:45.920 complaint about that. I'm not sure. I wished she had 331 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:48.440 a bigger part in this. In a way, I understand 332 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:51.240 why she's in the film and the purpose she has, 333 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:55.079 but in a way would have liked to seen her 334 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:57.279 have a little more to do. I don't know if 335 00:18:57.279 --> 00:18:58.440 you had any feelings about that. 336 00:18:58.880 --> 00:19:01.079 I kind of thought the same thing as you, was like, oh, 337 00:19:01.079 --> 00:19:03.160 I'd like to see her more in this because you 338 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:06.319 really don't see her in the third act, but it's 339 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:08.480 how do you put her in? Then we have scenes 340 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:11.640 where she's going to visit and like, eh, I don't 341 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:12.240 need to see that. 342 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:14.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had a theory, man like if 343 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:17.279 we shouldn't be doing this, but we can't help, but 344 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:19.640 do this is rewrite the movie in the way we 345 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:22.920 would like to see it. There's a different version of 346 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:27.960 this where mixed journey. You know he's going through hell, 347 00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:31.039 but it's to get back to her. Like there's a 348 00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:34.480 love story at the center of this, but you can't 349 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:37.680 really focus on it because obviously he's in in Juvie 350 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:41.279 the whole time. But I would have liked to have 351 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:44.039 seen him go back to that. I actually had a 352 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:46.400 question for you. Here's a question. It's one of my 353 00:19:46.440 --> 00:19:49.160 additional questions. I'm gonna step on it right now. So 354 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:52.240 towards the end, we know there's going to be this 355 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:57.279 climax between Mick and Paco. That's Sean Penn and Isai Morales. 356 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:01.920 We see Sean Penn in his bomb and he has 357 00:20:01.960 --> 00:20:05.000 the photo of j C. That's Ali Sheety's character, his 358 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:09.079 girlfriend and he lights it on fire, he burns it. 359 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:12.680 What do you think that meant at the. 360 00:20:12.759 --> 00:20:17.559 End, I thought it was he thinks he's going to die. Yeah, 361 00:20:17.799 --> 00:20:21.880 and he's pretty much saying his goodbye to her. 362 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:25.839 Okay, I agree. It was his way of saying goodbye. 363 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:28.960 He thought it was over, he had to let go. 364 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:32.759 It was a way of letting go. But that was 365 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:39.079 really really upsetting real quick. Just talking about the background 366 00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:43.519 of this movie, which is the juvenile correction facility system itself. 367 00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:46.240 I mean, there's so many aspects of it. Walking the 368 00:20:46.279 --> 00:20:51.119 gauntlet when they first arrive is absolutely brutal. They're getting 369 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:54.720 spit on. You learn about the point system. Does the 370 00:20:54.720 --> 00:20:58.400 point system even work? We learned terms like barn boss, 371 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:02.799 critical offenders. All these so called supervisors in the system 372 00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:06.240 are absolutely useless outside of her era. In my opinion, 373 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:08.839 it's pretty stark. But I thought it was a very 374 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:11.880 very realistic view on that and take on that. I 375 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:13.160 thought it was well depicted. 376 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:16.799 I agree with that also. And just going back to 377 00:21:16.839 --> 00:21:19.920 Ali Sheety's character, mm hmm. I think the thing that 378 00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:25.960 was here she is with O'Brien, he's in jail. Well, 379 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:28.839 she has that conversation with her dad and the dad 380 00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:33.920 basically says that he kills someone. Yeah, and she's like, no, 381 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:36.240 it was an accident. That the fact that she still 382 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:40.039 misses him and pines for him, I'm like, oh, yeah, 383 00:21:40.119 --> 00:21:44.279 that just explains a lot about today. It's like he's 384 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:48.359 a bad character, but she still loves him, and it 385 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:50.839 just shows love cancels a lot. 386 00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:54.039 Yeah, it's high school love. Also, you nailed it. I 387 00:21:54.079 --> 00:21:56.319 mean again, back to the title bad boys. You said 388 00:21:56.319 --> 00:21:59.960 it earlier. That's the point is that these are bad kids, 389 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:04.039 their bad seeds and whether they you know, they got 390 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:08.960 dealt a bad deck of cards. Sure, but they've committed 391 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:14.319 some really serious crimes. And that's interesting because we'll talk 392 00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:18.519 about a little bit more later because I was looking 393 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:22.559 to see how Sean Penn was going to actually process that, 394 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:27.039 if he would process that, because again, Herrera, the counselor, 395 00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:30.440 asks him, hey, how do you feel about what you've done? 396 00:22:31.119 --> 00:22:33.200 Why you're here, and if you ever want to talk 397 00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:37.559 about it, I'm here, talk to me, and he initially 398 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:42.160 is like, I don't feel anything, But at the very 399 00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:46.319 very very end, we see him break down. It almost 400 00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:49.759 chokes me up. Right now, It's like, ah, that's it, 401 00:22:50.079 --> 00:22:52.640