Speaker 1: Hello Eighties movies lovers. Bill band here, co host of
Speaker 1: the All Eighties Movies Podcast, with a quick announcement before
Speaker 1: we start this week's episode, I wanted to take a
Speaker 1: moment to share some news. After six and a half seasons,
Speaker 1: my co host Jason Massek, has decided to step away
Speaker 1: from the podcast to focus on some other projects. Jason,
Speaker 1: thank you for everything you've brought to the show over
Speaker 1: the past six years. Your insights, humor, and passion for
Speaker 1: eighties movies helped make this podcast what it is today,
Speaker 1: and I truly wish you nothing but the best and
Speaker 1: whatever comes next, And who knows, maybe someday we'll return
Speaker 1: as a special guest to revisit one of his favorite movies. Now,
Speaker 1: for those of you wondering, this is not the end
Speaker 1: of the All Eighties Movies Podcast. I plan to keep
Speaker 1: the show going with plenty of guest hosts while I
Speaker 1: search for the right permanent co host. There are still
Speaker 1: so many awesome movies from the greatest decade in movie
Speaker 1: history to discuss, and I can't wait to keep sharing
Speaker 1: those conversations with all of you. One quick note about
Speaker 1: today's episode, do do some unexpected technical issues during recording,
Speaker 1: we were not able to capture Jason's final movie rating,
Speaker 1: so unfortunately that part of the episode is missing. Finally,
Speaker 1: I just want to say thank you to everyone who
Speaker 1: has listened, supported and followed us over these past six
Speaker 1: and a half years. So with that, let's start our show. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to the Old Eighties Movies podcast podcast where
Speaker 1: we talk about the flops or so flops and everything
Speaker 1: in between. Who won the Presus Decades for movies the
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties? I'm host Bill Bett. Won with me on
Speaker 1: this journey of revisiting eighties movies is my co host
Speaker 1: Jason Massek. Hello Jason.
Speaker 2: Your crime is not that you got caught, but the
Speaker 2: crime itself. Remember that. Hopefully you will realize what you
Speaker 2: did is wrong. Hopefully you'll never do anything like that again.
Speaker 2: This is a juvenile facility. That means you are not
Speaker 2: in charge of the zoo. We are. If you think
Speaker 2: your hip, you're not. If you were, you wouldn't be here.
Speaker 1: That's right, Listeners, We are discussing with spoilers of twenty
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighty three prison drama Bad Boys. It was
Speaker 1: produced by EMI Films and the Solo Film Company and
Speaker 1: distributed it by Universal Pictures. The movie stars Sean Penn,
Speaker 1: E Sigh Morales, and Ali Sheedy. Directed by Rick Rosenthal,
Speaker 1: This movie's rated R with the running time of two
Speaker 1: hours and three minutes. So what is this movie about?
Speaker 1: What's on the box? If you grew up in the
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties and what's your local video story. To rent
Speaker 1: this movie, you would find this description on the back
Speaker 1: of the VHS box.
Speaker 2: It is what's on the box?
Speaker 1: Take it away, Jason.
Speaker 2: At the age of nine, they've joined a street gang.
Speaker 2: At twelve, they're pushing drugs. At sixteen, they're part of
Speaker 2: a nightmare teenage underworld of rape, mugging, armed robbery, and murder.
Speaker 1: Bad Boys, Bad Boys? Jason, you were me? That was short?
Speaker 2: Could that be the shortest What's on the box of
Speaker 2: all time?
Speaker 1: And most nondescriptive of the movie that we thought. Also,
Speaker 1: it doesn't tell you anything about the movie.
Speaker 2: Nothing at all, Nothing at all. Wow. Very curious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting, it was different. So that was what's on
Speaker 1: the box? Jason. Do you remember the first time you
Speaker 1: saw Bad Boys?
Speaker 2: No, of course not, because I've never seen this film
Speaker 2: until watching it for this podcast. And that's just fitting.
Speaker 2: After reading the What's on the Box synopsis because yeah,
Speaker 2: I was curious about this. I knew Sean Penn was
Speaker 2: in this and iSIG Morales. And I'd actually listened to
Speaker 2: another podcast discussing this film, and I was like, what what? Wait?
Speaker 2: What what is Bad Boy? What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Not the Will Smith movie? Okay, this is a different
Speaker 2: early eighties movies that I just was not aware of,
Speaker 2: so very curious to investigate this one. But that's all
Speaker 2: I got. Had you seen this before? Bill Ban?
Speaker 1: I thought for sure I had not seen this at all,
Speaker 1: so like, maybe I've just seen clips because there was
Speaker 1: a lot in here I kind of remembered. Okay, but
Speaker 1: I don't think I've seen it from beginning to band
Speaker 1: until this podcast. So yes, I would say it first
Speaker 1: watch for me.
Speaker 2: Also, all right, a first watch for both of us.
Speaker 1: Then yes, all right, so let's talk about the movie.
Speaker 1: What are our impressions of Bad Boys?
Speaker 2: Ooh, two hours, three minutes of dreary. This is one
Speaker 2: of the most bleak movies I've ever seen. I'll say
Speaker 2: this right now and I'll say it again. In my conclusion,
Speaker 2: it's well done. It's a realistic depiction of life in
Speaker 2: a juvenile correction facility. But this is a rough watch.
Speaker 2: It's brutal and it's a bummer. It's really violent. It
Speaker 2: has multiple rape sequences, beatings, and murders. I wish I
Speaker 2: could say this was a great Chicago movie because that's
Speaker 2: where it takes place. But I mean ninety percent of
Speaker 2: it takes place inside the Rainford Juvenile Detention Center. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, these kids, these poor teenagers that have put
Speaker 2: themselves in this situation, under these circumstances, they're involved in
Speaker 2: some really really heavy shit. And I understand teenagers in
Speaker 2: high school doing drugs and dealing drugs, but this is
Speaker 2: real gang stuff and they're paying the price. What's your
Speaker 2: initial impression?
Speaker 1: Okay, I know this takes place as the juvenile detention center,
Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna keep saying prison because it's just quicker.
Speaker 2: To say it is it is.
Speaker 1: This is my overall impression of the movie. Was who
Speaker 1: am I supposed to root for in this movie?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Right away, our main character, played by Sean Penn O'Brien,
Speaker 1: we see him mug a lady, then beat up a
Speaker 1: guy for money. He's the one that we're following throughout
Speaker 1: the story and Usually when you watch a prison film,
Speaker 1: and I think the only other prison movie we've done
Speaker 1: so far is Start Crazy. Usually the person that goes
Speaker 1: to prison is innocent and has been wrongly accused, so
Speaker 1: the whole time you're rooting for this person to find
Speaker 1: justice to get out. Whereas in this film, it is
Speaker 1: what the title says. They are bad boys. Everybody in
Speaker 1: this prison has done wrong. So why am I invested
Speaker 1: in these characters? But I was two hours three minutes.
Speaker 1: This movie flies okay, and that's always a great sign.
Speaker 1: And I almost felt guilty watching this rooting for O'Brien.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I shouldn't be. He's a terrible person. He
Speaker 1: killed someone in order to get into that juvenile facility.
Speaker 1: I should not care. Whatever happens to him should happen
Speaker 1: to him because he has done wrong. But I was invested.
Speaker 1: That's the mark of a good movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. I agree. I was engaged the whole time.
Speaker 2: I felt it was a little bit slow, though, I'm
Speaker 2: going to disagree with you on that. At the two
Speaker 2: hour running time I did not think was necessary. I
Speaker 2: think this could have been done stepping in my complaints
Speaker 2: already been done in probably an hour and forty five hour,
Speaker 2: forty minutes. But you're right, I also was engaged, and
Speaker 2: I mean, let's get into it. Let's talk about the cast.
Speaker 2: I mean, let's talk about Sean Penn, who plays Mick O'Brien,
Speaker 2: who is a thief. He's a thug, and he's sixteen
Speaker 2: years old and committing crimes on the street as you described,
Speaker 2: and then ends up in this facility. Now, man, he's
Speaker 2: got such a baby face. He's twenty two years old
Speaker 2: when this comes out, and he looks like he's sixteen.
Speaker 2: This is a year after Fast Times, and he looks younger.
Speaker 1: That blew my mind. I kept thinking, wait, because I
Speaker 1: kept thinking this movie came out in eighty two, because
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's no way.
Speaker 2: Super super young. He's excellent. Of course, he's raw, he's natural.
Speaker 2: So I really appreciated his performance. I mean, could you
Speaker 2: actually count on both hands how many lines he has
Speaker 2: in this movie. He really doesn't speak that.
Speaker 1: Much, No, he doesn't. Everything's in his face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, completely. This is a great example of face acting.
Speaker 2: It's all in the eyes. And I'll get to that
Speaker 2: later on in one of my favorite scenes. Actually, because
Speaker 2: he's very stoic he's very cold. And the thing about
Speaker 2: this movie was I'm trying to figure out who am
Speaker 2: I supposed to be invested in, Who is a redeemable
Speaker 2: character and whose journey is am I supposed to Well,
Speaker 2: obviously it's Mike O'Brien has Sean Penn, But it didn't
Speaker 2: seem like anything was happening until the end and then
Speaker 2: I got it. I got it, and it got me,
Speaker 2: so it was effective, I have to say that much.
Speaker 1: Okay, he's great in this. You think about this cast.
Speaker 1: Most of these people, it's their first roles right right,
Speaker 1: and most of them are still working here today, credit
Speaker 1: to the casting department. And I think that's what really
Speaker 1: kept me invested, was just watching all these actors in
Speaker 1: young roles. Just everybody pretty much just knocked him out
Speaker 1: of the park. I was just interested in all the characters,
Speaker 1: even though I know these are all bad people and
Speaker 1: I should not care or get two shits about him
Speaker 1: because they've done wrong.
Speaker 2: Real wrong, like yes, homicide, multiple I want to talk
Speaker 2: about Clancy Brown real quick. He's just at the top
Speaker 2: of my mind because we were just talking about Buckaroo Bonzai,
Speaker 2: but this is actually his feature film debut as Viking
Speaker 2: Lofgren And this is Clancy Brown's first credit on IMDb
Speaker 2: of three hundred and fifty seven credits. Here he is
Speaker 2: making his debut and makes a real impact. I think
Speaker 2: he's great in this with the blonde fro if you will, Yes,
Speaker 2: when he's jogging in his jeens, which has got to
Speaker 2: be really tough. He's very off putting in this, very disturbing.
Speaker 2: I mean, what can you say? It's Clancy Brown. He's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he plays a great bully in this without being
Speaker 1: a stereotypical bully. He knows how to push people's buttons
Speaker 1: more what's a look or a quick line doesn't go
Speaker 1: to over the top. And yes, the Viking nickname is
Speaker 1: awesome because his blonde locked. He is really good in this,
Speaker 1: and I think I was surprised to learn this. This
Speaker 1: was his first role. He's still doing it today. Amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's got such a presence. I mean
Speaker 2: he's got the height right, he's what six two sixty
Speaker 2: three at least, so he's he might be, so he's
Speaker 2: towering over everybody. But listeners, we're talking about these cast
Speaker 2: of characters that are all, you know, stuck in this no,
Speaker 2: I'm not stuck, but they landed in this juvenile prison.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say prison as well from now on. And
Speaker 2: it's a dreary situation, and they're all intimidating, and they're
Speaker 2: all going up against each other, and I want to
Speaker 2: talk about next. We've got Eric Gurry, who plays the
Speaker 2: character of Verry Horowitz, who basically is Sean Penn's buddy
Speaker 2: in this if you will, his best friend, his cellmate.
Speaker 2: Right now, what did you think of Eric Gurry who's
Speaker 2: playing this kid we're talking about these kids that have
Speaker 2: committed serious crimes. He fire bombed a bowling alley and
Speaker 2: killed multiple people and says it as if it was nothing,
Speaker 2: just kind of saying, this is why I'm here, and
Speaker 2: then befriends Sean Penn's character Mike O'Brien, What did you
Speaker 2: think of Eric Gurry's performance as Horowitz?
Speaker 1: Had to laugh because when I first saw him, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, he looks like a young Barry Manilow.
Speaker 1: And then when you find out his famous Barry Horowitz,
Speaker 1: I just kind of called him young Barry.
Speaker 2: Sure, Okay, I was like, oh my god, this.
Speaker 1: Would be so funny if this is the Barry Manilow story,
Speaker 1: and this is how Barry started it out at juvenile
Speaker 1: detention center and then he turns his life around becomes
Speaker 1: this amazing musician. But as a character, yeah, he could
Speaker 1: have been annoying. He really could have. It's really a
Speaker 1: fine line. I thought he was good because he's the
Speaker 1: one that pretty much he gives the audience the information.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: He's letting us as audience know who the players are
Speaker 1: and what they do. And I did find it odd
Speaker 1: that right away he tells O'Brien what he did. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I firebombed Bowling Alley, killed three people. Unfortunately was the
Speaker 1: wrong people. Like wow, that's very forthcoming. But that's who
Speaker 1: he kind of is the actor himself. He's only done
Speaker 1: four movies. I think this was the second one, and
Speaker 1: he is probably the weak of everyone in it. There
Speaker 1: are a couple of lines that he delivers them like
Speaker 1: h right. But I did like him. I like the
Speaker 1: fact that social Butterfly could not handle being an isolation.
Speaker 1: He needs to be around people. So I did like
Speaker 1: a But yes, I do think he was the weak link, right,
Speaker 1: But as an audience, we need him, we need to
Speaker 1: know what's going on and everything we find out is
Speaker 1: through him.
Speaker 2: That's right, because he's been there for a while. So
Speaker 2: that's a great point, and I totally agree with you.
Speaker 2: I think he is the weak link as an actor.
Speaker 2: I had an issue with his performance at first, but
Speaker 2: like you said, this is the interesting thing about this movie.
Speaker 2: I actually became more and more invested in him as
Speaker 2: the movie goes on, and I think he plays it
Speaker 2: in a way that is forced. He's a young actor.
Speaker 2: It seems he's playing the character. He's playing at it
Speaker 2: instead of being the character, if that makes any sense,
Speaker 2: And it makes total sense from my point of view
Speaker 2: watching it, because that's who he would be. He would
Speaker 2: be putting on a front the entire time. He would
Speaker 2: be trying to be bigger than he is because he's small.
Speaker 2: So as it went on, I was like, oh, you
Speaker 2: know what, I actually buy this performance. Maybe it's by happenstance,
Speaker 2: like it's by mistake, like that he's not a very
Speaker 2: good actor, but because he's playing at it the whole time,
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, that would make sense. Is this young
Speaker 2: guy that he's just got to put up a front,
Speaker 2: he's got to put up he's got to be try
Speaker 2: to be bigger than he is the entire time. It's
Speaker 2: a weird thing about this movie. But moving on, I
Speaker 2: don't want to spend too much time. But it's just
Speaker 2: like going down this cast list. Isi morales Man, what
Speaker 2: can you say? I love this guy. I've always loved him.
Speaker 2: He's been in our lives for so long. What a
Speaker 2: great head of hair, That's all I'm going to say,
Speaker 2: first and foremost perfect? Right, yes, obviously still kicking ask
Speaker 2: the guy literally does not age. I don't know it.
Speaker 2: He doesn't. He looks the same outside of his gray hair.
Speaker 2: I don't know how he doesn't. Back in the eighties
Speaker 2: he was in LaBamba, of course, and then a couple
Speaker 2: episodes of Miami Vice between eighty five and eighty seven.
Speaker 2: So good to see him here in this as the
Speaker 2: main antagonist. He's outstanding. He's a handsome guy, really handsome,
Speaker 2: has always looked the same.
Speaker 1: Yep, he's really good. He doesn't fall into the stereotypes,
Speaker 1: and he commands the room. He's in charge of their gang,
Speaker 1: right they have in Chicago. In a way, we're supposed
Speaker 1: to be rooting against him, or in a way rooting
Speaker 1: for him, because O'Brien killed his brother so he has
Speaker 1: a reason to be vengeful. But then he turns around
Speaker 1: and rapes O'Brien's girlfriend. Oh it's oh shitty. So it
Speaker 1: just makes them terrible. But why am I invested this guy?
Speaker 1: He's a bad person. We've seen him already kill someone,
Speaker 1: rape someone. Should be like O'Brien, just fucking kill him
Speaker 1: call it a day, yay, But no, I want to
Speaker 1: know what's going on with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great point. So this is the question, right,
Speaker 2: why are we investing in these characters? Because this is
Speaker 2: really really a dark movie. So we're watching Mick O'Brien,
Speaker 2: Sean Penn's character, and he's dealing with a dysfunctional family.
Speaker 2: We see him at home, it's a broken home. He
Speaker 2: has no father figure. Then we see Issi Morales as
Speaker 2: Paco Moreno, who's supposed to be the main antagonist. But
Speaker 2: we see his family situation, and we see how much
Speaker 2: he cares about his younger brother, about his mother. We
Speaker 2: see his family, although he's clearly a drug dealer and
Speaker 2: he's going down the wrong path, but we are immediately
Speaker 2: somehow empathetic to his situation or investing in because of
Speaker 2: we can see inside that family situation, and it's not
Speaker 2: an easy thing that he's dealing with. And that's the
Speaker 2: other thing is like, we see these kids, it's really hardcore.
Speaker 2: We see them in the high school life, which is
Speaker 2: the segue to my next actor I want to talk about,
Speaker 2: which is Alan Ruck. It's really weird seeing him so
Speaker 2: young in this. I really will always know him as
Speaker 2: Cameron from Farisuler's day Off, of course, but to see
Speaker 2: him and then in the high school situation, they're just babies,
Speaker 2: but then out on the streets they're committing adult crimes
Speaker 2: and it's pretty rough. But I didn't know if you
Speaker 2: had anything to say about seeing Alan Ruck, because he's
Speaker 2: got a good part in this and he's really good.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about it soon here, but any thoughts on
Speaker 2: Alan Ruck.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say. Besides I'm like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: it's Cameron, that's all they came to mind. And what
Speaker 1: his fate ends up being that was a surprise to me.
Speaker 1: What wasn't a surprise. I knew what happened to him,
Speaker 1: but still seeing it happen was a surprise. Wow, good
Speaker 1: guy Cameron from Paris Bueler Here he is kind of
Speaker 1: part of a gang also it blew my mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's great. I'm just gonna give a couple
Speaker 2: more shout outs. One being the standout for me in
Speaker 2: this film was Rennie Santoni playing counselor Ramon Herrera. I
Speaker 2: recognized him right away. Spoiler alert. I'm going to talk
Speaker 2: about him later. Anyway, I thought he was really solid.
Speaker 2: He kind of was the anchor in this. I don't know,
Speaker 2: he was the grounding factor in this. I just really
Speaker 2: enjoyed how he dealt with make O'Brien's, you know, the
Speaker 2: Sean Penn's character, and then Paco after that, but everybody
Speaker 2: in the juvenile detension facility. I just wanted to give
Speaker 2: him a shout out. And then moving right on to Ali.
Speaker 2: Sheety here she is in this. I think she was
Speaker 2: under used in this. I have a little bit of
Speaker 2: complaint about that. I'm not sure. I wished she had
Speaker 2: a bigger part in this. In a way, I understand
Speaker 2: why she's in the film and the purpose she has,
Speaker 2: but in a way would have liked to seen her
Speaker 2: have a little more to do. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you had any feelings about that.
Speaker 1: I kind of thought the same thing as you, was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'd like to see her more in this because you
Speaker 1: really don't see her in the third act, but it's
Speaker 1: how do you put her in? Then we have scenes
Speaker 1: where she's going to visit and like, eh, I don't
Speaker 1: need to see that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had a theory, man like if
Speaker 2: we shouldn't be doing this, but we can't help, but
Speaker 2: do this is rewrite the movie in the way we
Speaker 2: would like to see it. There's a different version of
Speaker 2: this where mixed journey. You know he's going through hell,
Speaker 2: but it's to get back to her. Like there's a
Speaker 2: love story at the center of this, but you can't
Speaker 2: really focus on it because obviously he's in in Juvie
Speaker 2: the whole time. But I would have liked to have
Speaker 2: seen him go back to that. I actually had a
Speaker 2: question for you. Here's a question. It's one of my
Speaker 2: additional questions. I'm gonna step on it right now. So
Speaker 2: towards the end, we know there's going to be this
Speaker 2: climax between Mick and Paco. That's Sean Penn and Isai Morales.
Speaker 2: We see Sean Penn in his bomb and he has
Speaker 2: the photo of j C. That's Ali Sheety's character, his
Speaker 2: girlfriend and he lights it on fire, he burns it.
Speaker 2: What do you think that meant at the.
Speaker 1: End, I thought it was he thinks he's going to die. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's pretty much saying his goodbye to her.
Speaker 2: Okay, I agree. It was his way of saying goodbye.
Speaker 2: He thought it was over, he had to let go.
Speaker 2: It was a way of letting go. But that was
Speaker 2: really really upsetting real quick. Just talking about the background
Speaker 2: of this movie, which is the juvenile correction facility system itself.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many aspects of it. Walking the
Speaker 2: gauntlet when they first arrive is absolutely brutal. They're getting
Speaker 2: spit on. You learn about the point system. Does the
Speaker 2: point system even work? We learned terms like barn boss,
Speaker 2: critical offenders. All these so called supervisors in the system
Speaker 2: are absolutely useless outside of her era. In my opinion,
Speaker 2: it's pretty stark. But I thought it was a very
Speaker 2: very realistic view on that and take on that. I
Speaker 2: thought it was well depicted.
Speaker 1: I agree with that also. And just going back to
Speaker 1: Ali Sheety's character, mm hmm. I think the thing that
Speaker 1: was here she is with O'Brien, he's in jail. Well,
Speaker 1: she has that conversation with her dad and the dad
Speaker 1: basically says that he kills someone. Yeah, and she's like, no,
Speaker 1: it was an accident. That the fact that she still
Speaker 1: misses him and pines for him, I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that just explains a lot about today. It's like he's
Speaker 1: a bad character, but she still loves him, and it
Speaker 1: just shows love cancels a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's high school love. Also, you nailed it. I
Speaker 2: mean again, back to the title bad boys. You said
Speaker 2: it earlier. That's the point is that these are bad kids,
Speaker 2: their bad seeds and whether they you know, they got
Speaker 2: dealt a bad deck of cards. Sure, but they've committed
Speaker 2: some really serious crimes. And that's interesting because we'll talk
Speaker 2: about a little bit more later because I was looking
Speaker 2: to see how Sean Penn was going to actually process that,
Speaker 2: if he would process that, because again, Herrera, the counselor,
Speaker 2: asks him, hey, how do you feel about what you've done?
Speaker 2: Why you're here, and if you ever want to talk
Speaker 2: about it, I'm here, talk to me, and he initially
Speaker 2: is like, I don't feel anything, But at the very
Speaker 2: very very end, we see him break down. It almost
Speaker 2: chokes me up. Right now, It's like, ah, that's it,
Speaker 2: that's the point he finally felt something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough because with these characters, the system doesn't
Speaker 1: help them on the outside and for the most part,
Speaker 1: doesn't help him on the inside. There they've just been
Speaker 1: dealt a bad hand in life. Yep, it's tough and
Speaker 1: it's tough to watch it, but it's interesting to watch
Speaker 1: it too, and that's just what kept me engaged.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're in the system, and this is an inside
Speaker 2: look at that whole, that whole process, and it's it's rough, man.
Speaker 2: So my last thought here is that I just appreciated
Speaker 2: the realism. It's wrong, it's rough, it's well acted, it's
Speaker 2: well directed. But I don't know if i'd ever need
Speaker 2: to see this movie again to be it's pretty brutal.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is, but I did enjoyed it. I didn't
Speaker 1: mind putting them back on to watch it again. Good
Speaker 1: all right, Okay, let's move on to favorite scenes or
Speaker 1: moments where some of our favorite scenes or moments from
Speaker 1: Bad Boys and our first two are exactly the same. Yep,
Speaker 1: you want start with the first one, Yeah, let's let's
Speaker 1: talk about it. It's the street shootout, it's the uh,
Speaker 1: basically the drug deal gone wrong. Majorly wrong. So it's intense,
Speaker 1: it's well directed. It's the build up because we know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen here. We know that Mick and
Speaker 1: his friend I think it's Carl, that's Ah played by
Speaker 1: Alan Ruck.
Speaker 2: They're going to interrupt this drug deal. They're going to
Speaker 2: snatch the drugs. That's the plan. And it just goes right.
Speaker 2: I mean it's a shootout, literally, a shootout in the
Speaker 2: middle of the street, shotguns blasting people, going through glass windows.
Speaker 2: I just I can't believe. I just remember, this isn't
Speaker 2: that how you you'd like to go if Bill bent
Speaker 2: That's what you said after first death right. So it's heartbreaking.
Speaker 2: And one of the moments too, is what I like
Speaker 2: about the sequence is it's so frenetic. It's so hectic.
Speaker 2: When Mick is driving away, when racing away in the car,
Speaker 2: leaving his best friend Carl behind dead, he's crashing into cars.
Speaker 2: I love that, absolutely love that. It's totally insane. He's
Speaker 2: just a kid who's committed, you know. Now, Then when
Speaker 2: he actually runs into to Paco Moreno's younger brother, absolutely brutal.
Speaker 2: It's well edited and it's awful. It's hard to even
Speaker 2: say that any of these scenes in this movie is
Speaker 2: my favor team because they're all brutal, but it's just
Speaker 2: well filmed, and you're like, what's gonna happen to this
Speaker 2: kid now? Because he literally hits that young kid after
Speaker 2: going off to the side of the road and then
Speaker 2: driving into it basically an explosion, and it's just it's awful,
Speaker 2: but it's action packed and it's totally chaotic, and you're like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to happen to any of
Speaker 2: these people after this.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like the chaos in the scene where we
Speaker 1: have O'Brien and Carl and they just think, Okay, we're
Speaker 1: gonna surprise Paco and his boys take to drugs and
Speaker 1: we're home free. And then of course the other gang
Speaker 1: is supposed to meet Paco's group for this deal. See
Speaker 1: what the other half of the deal. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: interfere and just craziness, craziness stuff. Unfortunately we see on
Speaker 1: the news all the time, and here it is on
Speaker 1: film watching it happen and just seeing Alan Ruck get
Speaker 1: shot twice, Carl and die that was holy crap. And
Speaker 1: when they did the shot of Poco's brothers standing there
Speaker 1: right away, I was like, Oh no, you knew what
Speaker 1: was going to happen. He was gonna somehow get caught
Speaker 1: in the crossfire and he gets run over brutally and
Speaker 1: we're on our way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is Chicago, and I love there's a line
Speaker 2: when the African American gang part of this is approaching
Speaker 2: in their car right before they see Mick crossing the
Speaker 2: road with his gun. They're like, oh my god, he's
Speaker 2: got a gun. They there's a line where they actually
Speaker 2: say this is a rough neighborhood. You're like, damn if
Speaker 2: they're saying this is a rough neighborhood, this is a
Speaker 2: really fucking rough neighborhood, and you get it. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is what's happened. These are teenage kids walking through
Speaker 2: the streets with a suitcase of drugs and shotguns are
Speaker 2: getting pulled out and all that. It's really violent, and
Speaker 2: this is the whole inciting incident, right, I mean, this
Speaker 2: is what kicks off all the things to come in
Speaker 2: this movie. So it's brutal.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So for the next scene that Jason and I
Speaker 1: both agree on who's one of our favorites, it's when
Speaker 1: Viking and Tweety get their asses kicked by O'Brien. So
Speaker 1: when O'Brien goes to the prison, basically the head honcho's there.
Speaker 1: The barn bosses are Tweety and Viking, and they pretty
Speaker 1: much rule the prison juvenile.
Speaker 2: I love that Horowitz actually calls them smacks. I had
Speaker 2: the close captioning on I call some smacks, but they yeah,
Speaker 2: you are correct, they are the barn bosses, but they
Speaker 2: have different It's just the the verbiage is just it's
Speaker 2: very interesting.
Speaker 1: They give you the jobs you're supposed to do there.
Speaker 1: They harassed, intimidate, and do everything to all these other
Speaker 1: people in the juvenile center. And both of them just
Speaker 1: have it out for O'Brien because they think O'Brien has
Speaker 1: squealed because Tweety has killed someone in the juvenile center. Right,
Speaker 1: So O'Brien realizes he better do something before something is
Speaker 1: done to him, So he gets a pillowcase, fills it
Speaker 1: with soda cans, and Tweety and Viking come into his
Speaker 1: cell to talk. Basically they're going to kick his ass,
Speaker 1: and O'Brien strikes first and beats the shit out of
Speaker 1: Tweety and Viking with the pillowcase full of cans. Just
Speaker 1: bloody mess and doing so, Brian's now the head honcho
Speaker 1: of the juvenile Census off, so now he's in a
Speaker 1: new barn boss because of this. It's brutal, like he
Speaker 1: smacks Viking right the just busts his nose right away,
Speaker 1: puts him down. There goes after tweety and just swinging
Speaker 1: the shit out of that pillowcase. And he eventually gets
Speaker 1: dragged away and the pillowcase is all bloodied. It's a mess.
Speaker 1: But you had to do it or else it was
Speaker 1: him first if he doesn't do anything.
Speaker 2: So this is the trial, and he passes the trial
Speaker 2: with flying colors in the most awful way. What's the
Speaker 2: Stanley Kubrick film. I have to ask you this question, though, Jacket. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that's the comparison, right, what's more brutal the pillowcase
Speaker 2: filled with the bars of soap beating up Vincentinafrio or
Speaker 2: this sequence. Because I was taken aback by this. I
Speaker 2: was shocked by it, and I knew it was coming
Speaker 2: because I knew some of the events that were occurring
Speaker 2: in this film before seeing it. But even when it happened,
Speaker 2: when he hits Clancy Brown in the face and Clancy
Speaker 2: Brown screams and you just see the blood splatter all
Speaker 2: over his nose. He's just busted up immediately. It's like
Speaker 2: these are soda cans in a pillowcase. He is literally
Speaker 2: beating the living shit out of these guys. What I
Speaker 2: love about it is that he doesn't hesitate, which makes
Speaker 2: complete sense. When Viking enters his cell, he knows exactly
Speaker 2: what's going to happen. There's no discussion because literally Viking
Speaker 2: puts his finger on his shoulder and says, hey, scumbag,
Speaker 2: and Mick is like it's on, and he just swings
Speaker 2: right around and kicks the crap out of him. I
Speaker 2: don't know how they weren't killed, and.
Speaker 1: It's right, yeah, this killer be killed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have no choice. Very effective, very impactful, Definitely
Speaker 2: one of the standout scenes.
Speaker 1: Yep, we're onto you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so this is the breakout. I mean, any
Speaker 2: movie that has anything to do with a jail, a prison,
Speaker 2: we love a good jail break right. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: even if it's some bad dudes. This is kind of
Speaker 2: something I was thinking about. You're always rooting for the
Speaker 2: prisoner to escape. You just want to see him get out.
Speaker 2: How are they going to get out right, and it's
Speaker 2: cool to see Horowitz using the corrosive material to burn
Speaker 2: through the fence and they make a run for it
Speaker 2: and they make it, and it's just it's exciting. It's exciting.
Speaker 2: But the thing about the scene that I like the
Speaker 2: most is that it's absolutely heartbreaking because Mick has found
Speaker 2: out that his girlfriend played by Ali Sheety named jayce Is,
Speaker 2: has endured serious trauma at the hands of Paco Moreno.
Speaker 2: He raped her to get revenge for his younger brother's death.
Speaker 2: Mick knows about it, and he needs to see her.
Speaker 2: He has to see her. What I love about this again,
Speaker 2: we said this earlier face acting. He doesn't speak one line.
Speaker 2: When he gets to Jace's house. He goes in this
Speaker 2: look when he sees her. Her face is completely bruised
Speaker 2: from the brutal attack by Paco, and he is crying.
Speaker 2: He's just teary eyed. And it makes me cry to
Speaker 2: watch that. I watched it again and I actually cried
Speaker 2: while watching it because Sean Penn is a brilliant actor.
Speaker 2: At age twenty two, he's living it and to see
Speaker 2: that she had to go through that as a result
Speaker 2: of something that he had done. By accident, but still
Speaker 2: something he had done. Hugs her, kisses her, and then
Speaker 2: has to go back right back to Juvie. It's absolutely brutal, heartbreaking, bittersweet,
Speaker 2: wonderfully performed, and barely any lines, barely any speaking at all.
Speaker 1: He just needed to see her, That's it.
Speaker 2: So romantic. It's really romantic.
Speaker 1: And I think he broke out doing he was going
Speaker 1: to get caught, but he was willing to take that risk. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and yeah, he's free for all of maybe five hours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel bad for Horwitz in this situation
Speaker 2: because he actually gets caught in the barber way. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: gets the shit beat out of him by one of
Speaker 2: the supervisors, and it's just like God, this movie's brutal. Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Wagner, what yep. My final favorite scene or moment
Speaker 1: is when the radio blows up in Viking's face, because
Speaker 1: I knew this was going to happen mm hmm, and
Speaker 1: it was Horrorwitz just getting revenge. And we see this
Speaker 1: throughout the movie. Anyone that fucked with Horowitz, he's somehow
Speaker 1: was able to retaliate, and he's very good with electronics,
Speaker 1: and he somehow wires an explosive in a radio and
Speaker 1: leaves the radio in Viking's cell and you're Viking picks
Speaker 1: it up and it's the eighties. Used to put the
Speaker 1: boom box to your ear and he's listening to radio
Speaker 1: and just the tension, because the whole time, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this thing's gonna explode. When's it gonna explode? What are
Speaker 1: we going to see? When's it gonna explode? So he's
Speaker 1: playing it, nothing's happening. He goes out to talk to
Speaker 1: some of the other inmates like, Hey, where'd this radio
Speaker 1: come from? Uh, it's mine now, blah blah blah, and
Speaker 1: then he goes back in the cell and he's listening
Speaker 1: to some more and then it does like a little
Speaker 1: pop and he just looks at it, and the whole
Speaker 1: time like, oh my god, just put it down. Put
Speaker 1: it down. Even though he's an asshole, you know, you
Speaker 1: don't like it. Throughout this movie, I don't want to
Speaker 1: see anything horrible happened to him. And then the radio
Speaker 1: finally blows and then he's a bloody mess and that's
Speaker 1: the end of Viking. For the rest of the movie.
Speaker 1: He doesn't die, but he gets made pretty well. But
Speaker 1: just the tension was driving me nuts thousand percent.
Speaker 2: The pacing is brilliant. It's so deliberate, and it's like,
Speaker 2: when is it gonna happen? When is okay, Nope, oh
Speaker 2: it's not gonna happen. Oh wait, it does happen, and
Speaker 2: it's awful. I love the fact that they give Horrowitz
Speaker 2: that skill set. Then he's able to fix the radios.
Speaker 2: That's kind of one of his things. Like he's a
Speaker 2: technical genius and he uses what is it, like fertilizer
Speaker 2: or something to yeah, to rig that's it's kind of unique.
Speaker 2: But that's again, this is what these kids do like
Speaker 2: and that's very typical in prison situations, right where they
Speaker 2: have to use what they have, they get creative in
Speaker 2: order to basically mess each other up to survive or
Speaker 2: to protect themselves, right, and this is one where he's
Speaker 2: just getting ultimate vengeance upon Viking, and you make it's
Speaker 2: interesting when you talk about Viking and you talk about
Speaker 2: Clancy Brown, because as much as an asshole as he is,
Speaker 2: there's something about him where you just feel like he's
Speaker 2: just a big, really insecure dude and you don't want
Speaker 2: to see him get maimed in that way. But I mean,
Speaker 2: that's his come uppance. It's not as if he didn't
Speaker 2: deserve it, but you're like ah at at the same time,
Speaker 2: it's tough. So yeah, it's a great call man, great scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we shouldn't be feeling sorry for his characters, but
Speaker 1: but you do still do weird weird Okay, So move
Speaker 1: on to Swiss Cheese and complaints apartment and what do
Speaker 1: we call it Swiss cheese?
Speaker 2: Because although this movie is delicious, it does have shive holes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it doesn't have any of those shive holes.
Speaker 1: We just file a complaint with the complaint department. So
Speaker 1: do you have any cheese or complaints?
Speaker 2: I've got a few questions and or complaints.
Speaker 1: This has got to be Swiss cheese. I don't think
Speaker 1: there's any way they would put O'Brien and Paco in
Speaker 1: the same Yeah. I don't care what the circumstances were.
Speaker 1: If they had nowhere else to put them, they would
Speaker 1: not put those two together. Know in their history they
Speaker 1: we don't have a movie, but they absolutely explain around it.
Speaker 1: But no way, no way, No.
Speaker 2: You're setting it all up for failure. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: just there's no way that would ever happen. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: would do everything to avoid that. M hm, so totally agree.
Speaker 2: Let's just talk about everything is surrounding Paco versus Mick. Initially,
Speaker 2: Herrera the counselor, he's too smart to have not seen
Speaker 2: it coming from Paco fans pendicitus, and it's like, it's
Speaker 2: the night before he's being transferred. It's too convenient, there's
Speaker 2: no way that. I was like, ah, Herrera's too smart
Speaker 2: to play it into that, right.
Speaker 1: I think just overall, the guys who work there are terrible.
Speaker 1: They're just collecting a check. I was surprised they even
Speaker 1: have him go to school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they have
Speaker 1: that whole system. And part of me was like, do
Speaker 1: you get points for doing these things? Are you supposed
Speaker 1: to get points? Taking away? Because he's talking when they
Speaker 1: check in, it's like, oh, yeah, no smoking. And then
Speaker 1: you turn over and there's like ten kids are right
Speaker 1: in front of me smoking, right, and the fact they
Speaker 1: do the walk and everyone's spitting on them. You're allowing this?
Speaker 1: Why are you allowing this? Don't tell me this is
Speaker 1: an initiation. These are kids.
Speaker 2: It's gross, it's awful, and it's negligent on the part
Speaker 2: of the supervisor. Yeah. I was taken aback by that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was just like we see this in movies, like
Speaker 2: you know, anything that takes place in a jail or
Speaker 2: a prison where the supervisors are either being paid off
Speaker 2: or they're in on it and they're you know, complete,
Speaker 2: you know, complicit or whatever. But in this case, it's
Speaker 2: just like, these are kids. What are you doing? Guys?
Speaker 2: Why are you even there?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 2: Why is the points system even in place? That was
Speaker 2: a question I had. Here's another question complaint I had
Speaker 2: is that we see Mick with the SODACN scene brutally
Speaker 2: take out Viking and Tweety, but then when he's totally
Speaker 2: prepared for Paco to enter his cell at the end
Speaker 2: he's hiding great comes out of the dark and doesn't
Speaker 2: take him out first and foremost like doesn't literally just
Speaker 2: knock him out or kill him in that in that moment.
Speaker 2: I had a problem with that is like, you really
Speaker 2: are taking Paco by surprise, here's your mortal enemy, and
Speaker 2: you have an opportunity to just snap his neck and
Speaker 2: he doesn't, and then this whole fight sequence ensues.
Speaker 1: Right yeah, And speaking of the fight sequence, because yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well Brian does get stabbed in the leg. Fight ends
Speaker 1: he goes back to a cell that could need some
Speaker 1: serious medical attention. Where are you?
Speaker 2: That's I haven't read the credits roll. We see all
Speaker 2: the juvenile detenees return to their cells and its lights out.
Speaker 2: How about some medical attention for Mick? That's what I
Speaker 2: wrote down. Couldn't agree with you more. Man, It's like
Speaker 2: he gets stabbed multiple times.
Speaker 1: Not superficial, Nope, they could be life threatening.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, yeah, absolutely, So there's a little bit with
Speaker 2: the violence in this there's some It seems like, speaking
Speaker 2: of the soda can scene, that was my last thing
Speaker 2: to say, is that he smashes Viking in the face
Speaker 2: those soda cans, Like we're talking about broken bones, broken nose,
Speaker 2: broken things, and it just seems like, I know there
Speaker 2: has been some time passage, but Viking has like a
Speaker 2: couple of scars on his face. It just seems like
Speaker 2: he and Tweedy would be really really messed up for
Speaker 2: a while.
Speaker 1: That worse shape than they are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Speaking of accidents, when Mick drives the car, hits Paco's
Speaker 1: brother and then crashes the fiery fall of flame, how
Speaker 1: do you survive.
Speaker 2: That that's a full on explosion because.
Speaker 1: You hear someone yell basically, don't go to the car. Right,
Speaker 1: it was like, how did O'Brien get out?
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Not only should he have all those cuts and bruise
Speaker 1: over his face, he should have second or third degree burns.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a thousand. I did appreciate that he did
Speaker 2: have those scars on his face. Oh yeah, Like he
Speaker 2: does look messed up at least, but you're gonna put
Speaker 2: him in a fiery explosion. He should be like.
Speaker 1: Yeahs until he gets sentenced because of all damage to him.
Speaker 2: Right, it's pretty extreme.
Speaker 1: And then my last thing, how does Wagner still have
Speaker 1: a job after he beats the shit out Horowitz brutal?
Speaker 2: I hate that part and I hate Wagner when that happens,
Speaker 2: because I did watch this a couple times, of course,
Speaker 2: and I saw that coming again the second time, and
Speaker 2: it was like, because Daniel seems like a pretty stand
Speaker 2: up kind of guy as far as supervisors, like these
Speaker 2: supervisors that are mostly negligent, right, he seems to be
Speaker 2: He and Herrera both I guess, are pretty stand up dudes,
Speaker 2: I guess, But and he witnesses this, Wagner should be
Speaker 2: like Noah, he should be fired immediately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Horowitz didn't provoke him enough to take that beating.
Speaker 2: No, he's a teenage kid. Yeah, you just know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't do it. We're getting emotional here.
Speaker 1: I know. All right, let's move on. Then let's move
Speaker 1: on to Hey, it's that an actor?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: So in this segment with spotlighted character actor you have
Speaker 1: seen in many other films, an actor making their big
Speaker 1: screen debut, or an actor that makes an on credited cameo.
Speaker 1: It's Hey, is that actor who we choose this week?
Speaker 2: This week we've chosen for our Hey, it's that actor
Speaker 2: someone I've talked about already. That's Rennie send TONI as
Speaker 2: Ramon Herrera, the supervisor Counselor. He's a character actor from
Speaker 2: New York City. Started as a comedy writer. Carl Reiner
Speaker 2: discovered him and cast him in his semi autobiographical film
Speaker 2: Enter Laughing in nineteen sixty seven. And I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: rattle this off. This is all from IMDb. He would
Speaker 2: go on to offer potent, reliable secondary turns in films,
Speaker 2: playing good guys, bad guy, serious guys, and amusing guys,
Speaker 2: alongside such top names as Clint Eastwood and Dirty Harry
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy one. He starred with Steve Martin and Dead
Speaker 2: Men Don't Wear Platt in eighty two, that was directed
Speaker 2: by Carl Reiner. And then of course he's with Sean
Speaker 2: Penn in this, then Richard Pryor and Brewster's Millions in
Speaker 2: eighty five. This is what I know him from, actually
Speaker 2: is he starred alongside Sylvester Stallone and Cobra in eighty six.
Speaker 2: I remember him being his partner in that, and then
Speaker 2: Gene Hackman in The Package in eighty nine. He was
Speaker 2: alongside Howard Stern in Private Parts in ninety seven, and
Speaker 2: more recently Sandra Bullock in Twenty eight Days in Two
Speaker 2: Year two thousand and Coolio and Gang Wars in two
Speaker 2: thousand and four. In contrast, he also broke into the
Speaker 2: voiceover business and provided expert characterizations wherever needed. He offered
Speaker 2: his vocal skills in Eddie Murphy's Doctor Doolittle and Doctor
Speaker 2: Dolittle too. So Tony did pass away in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: from throat and lung cancer. Again, he was the standout
Speaker 2: for me. I thought he was, outside of Sean Penn,
Speaker 2: probably the best actor in this movie. I mean Eastsi's
Speaker 2: great too, but there was something really uh empathetic about
Speaker 2: him where he genuinely, in moments wanted to help or
Speaker 2: be there as a And I think that it's alluded
Speaker 2: to it in the movie too, is that he was
Speaker 2: a former gang member. Maybe I just read that in
Speaker 2: the research. No, he says that he does say that. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: but I really liked him in this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did like and he seemed the only one
Speaker 1: that still cared. So I'm like, oh, he must be
Speaker 1: new because compared to the other prole Jesus Christ. But
Speaker 1: it was driving out the wall. I couldn't think of
Speaker 1: anything he was in and Sous said dirty Hary. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, Jesus, come on, man, I should have
Speaker 1: known that from the get go.
Speaker 2: Yeah for me, that's funny. Yeah, totally. I think about
Speaker 2: that too, And then yeah, Cobra for me. But I
Speaker 2: think he may have been the only like character that
Speaker 2: had some redeeming qualities.
Speaker 1: I guess I agree, all right. Time to move on
Speaker 1: to facts and trivia. Where are some facts in trivia
Speaker 1: we have about Bad Boys?
Speaker 2: Rick Rosenthal, director says Matt Dylan wanted to play the
Speaker 2: lead role of Mick O'Brien, but the director was reluctant.
Speaker 2: He cast Sean Penn on the basis of a reading quote.
Speaker 2: Although I'm crazy about Matt Dylan as an actor, I
Speaker 2: thought he'd already done the role in My Bodyguard, which
Speaker 2: is exactly what I thought when I read this quote.
Speaker 2: I was also afraid that the audience might be conscious
Speaker 2: of a new movie star, where with Penn, they'd only
Speaker 2: be conscious of the character Mick. The director said, Penn
Speaker 2: is a very good actor obsessively, so he went into
Speaker 2: character for the whole shoot and stayed there, had a
Speaker 2: real wolf's head tattooed on his arm, checked into hotels
Speaker 2: as Mick and the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I can see Matt Dylan in.
Speaker 2: This totally, but I also understand what he's saying is that, oh, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: he's already a movie star. Like you see Matt Dillon
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, he was great in My Bodyguard
Speaker 2: as the bully, and he'd be perfect in this movie.
Speaker 2: But then you're like, oh, you're seeing the movie star
Speaker 2: instead of a character. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, while filming the escape scene, Seanpenn broke an ankle,
Speaker 1: which halted shooting for three months. And I was thinking
Speaker 1: that too. When they were running. I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: who's going to fall? You always have to have the fall.
Speaker 1: I was not expecting Horowitz to get wrapped up in
Speaker 1: barb wire. So yeah, that terrain was rough for sure.
Speaker 2: Let's just keep talking about Sean Penn, the youth thug
Speaker 2: Mic O'Brien. Sean Penn wanted to have his perfect teeth
Speaker 2: filed down and capped with ugly tops and have maybe
Speaker 2: a few cracked ones, but Penn's mother, a dentist's daughter, intervened,
Speaker 2: ruling that ruining perfectly good teeth is definitely going too far.
Speaker 2: Sean Penn method already at twenty two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like two, come on, one or two other movies, right,
Speaker 1: what's going on here? Oh? This was driving me nuts, Jason.
Speaker 1: So I'm watching the movie and we're introduced to Warden Bendix,
Speaker 1: who's played by Tony Marcus, And the whole time I'm
Speaker 1: watching the sky, I'm like, I've seen this guy in
Speaker 1: something else and he's had a mustache. And then I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's the judge from the Untouchables. So I look up
Speaker 1: his credits. There's no credit for him being in the Untouchables.
Speaker 2: Okay, Like that's weird.
Speaker 1: I'm like, he looks exactly like him. So I go
Speaker 1: onto the IMDb page for The Intouchables to figure out
Speaker 1: who played the judge, and it's Tony Marcus and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what's going on here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, guess what.
Speaker 1: It's Tony maccus Senior who plays the judge in The Untouchables.
Speaker 1: And it's Tony Marcus Junior, who plays Warren Bendix in
Speaker 1: Bad Boys. Talk about how close the two of them
Speaker 1: look together, and the and the movies are four years apart,
Speaker 1: so he looks like he would be old enough to
Speaker 1: play the judge in the entires. That blew my mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but good on you to catch that resemblance.
Speaker 1: Man, Oh, because every time I look in Mike, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I've seen him as something, but he had a mustache
Speaker 1: in it and I couldn't remember what it was. And
Speaker 1: then it wasn't until the third viewing that I finally
Speaker 1: caught it. And then I was like, oh, that's him,
Speaker 1: and I looked at up and I'm like, it's not him,
Speaker 1: What the fuck?
Speaker 2: Love that? Absolutely love that I was watching this Bill Bannon.
Speaker 2: As I said earlier, this movie was. I was like,
Speaker 2: this is freaking depressing, and it's so depressing that later
Speaker 2: in I guess this is towards the third act of
Speaker 2: the film, when you have Viking and Paco taunting both
Speaker 2: Mick and Horowitz while they're watching the television. I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, even this black and white movie they're
Speaker 2: watching is depressing. What is with this movie? Well, the
Speaker 2: movie that the boys are seen watching is called Kiss
Speaker 2: of Death from nineteen forty seven. The scene shown where
Speaker 2: Tommy Udo played by Richard Widmark shoves missus Rizzo played
Speaker 2: by Mildred Dunnock down a flight of stairs in her wheelchair.
Speaker 2: At that time, the scene was considered a very shocking.
Speaker 2: I thought the same. I was like, yeah, it's awful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Jason. So the last movie, which is
Speaker 1: Buck ru Bonzi, Yeah, and I talked about how there
Speaker 1: was a cameo by Jamie Lee Curtis which I got
Speaker 1: to see in the version I did. You did not
Speaker 1: Here we go again. I guess the next movie we
Speaker 1: need to do is Blue Steel because Jamie Lee Curtis,
Speaker 1: who was directed by Rick Rodenthal in Halloween two, can
Speaker 1: be seen as a street walker in the beginning of
Speaker 1: the movie passing by Paco's friends. So the scene when
Speaker 1: Paco's looking out the window and has two friends come
Speaker 1: across the street and there's a lady of the night there.
Speaker 1: That's Jamie Lee Curtis.
Speaker 2: What is with her cameos?
Speaker 1: It's crazy, I really was in the early eighties.
Speaker 2: It makes sense. I mean, she's amazing, she's yeah, she's gorgeous,
Speaker 2: she's talented, she's a wonderful actress, all these things. But
Speaker 2: she clearly made friends and she was willing to do
Speaker 2: these cameos, which is really really freaking cool. Anything else, No, Well, this,
Speaker 2: as mentioned, was the debut feature film of actress Clancy Brown,
Speaker 2: Alan Ruck and Ali. Sheety not to mention Jason Gedrick,
Speaker 2: who's uncredited. I didn't go back to find him, but
Speaker 2: I just love that he's because that was again like
Speaker 2: kind of his thing a little bit, because we talked
Speaker 2: about risky business right where he has the one exactly.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, freaking Jason Gedrick, awesome,
Speaker 2: super handsome guy, obviously iron Eagle and all that. I mean,
Speaker 2: he has his movies in the eighties, but he was
Speaker 2: doing the cameos, the or the uncredited roles here early on.
Speaker 1: I think the first time you see him is this
Speaker 1: bidding and you see him put his head in the
Speaker 1: frame and pops it out real quick, and there is
Speaker 1: and there's two other times where you've seen him in
Speaker 1: the film and I recognize Godgaway. I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, he just the silent cameos this guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, we got to get around to Iron Eagle
Speaker 1: at some point, definitely. Okay, so my last one. So,
Speaker 1: when Horowitz goes berserk in the warden's office, the warden
Speaker 1: calls on his intercom Churchill, Churchill, get in here. Two
Speaker 1: prison officials enter shortly thereafter subdue Horowitz. The one who
Speaker 1: Horowitz hits with the golf club and then slams his
Speaker 1: elbow is played by Ted Churchhill, the steady camp operator
Speaker 1: on the movie. And when I read this, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this has got to be bs. This is just too coincidental.
Speaker 1: So I looked up Ted Churchill and yes, he is
Speaker 1: a steady camp operator and that is him. And I
Speaker 1: found a YouTube video that he shot while working on
Speaker 1: Man with a one Red Shoe, and it's called Day
Speaker 1: in the Life of a steady cam Operator and it's
Speaker 1: pretty funny. He's going around to the cast and crew
Speaker 1: talking about like how important it is to be a
Speaker 1: steady cam operator and what they bring to the film,
Speaker 1: and everyone just puts them down through while we only
Speaker 1: hired you because we're just too lazy to do a
Speaker 1: Dolly track today. Okay. So, or there's a scene I
Speaker 1: think there's like a football scene. There's all these fans
Speaker 1: in the stands extras, and he's talking about like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's amazing that all these people came to
Speaker 1: see me work the steady cam. It's actually pretty funny.
Speaker 1: It's like a twenty minute video just talking about what
Speaker 1: it's like to be a steadycam operator. But you have
Speaker 1: Ted Chet herself, steadycam operator, cameo in this movie, and
Speaker 1: it's not a credit. I looked up his credits and
Speaker 1: it doesn't have and it shows that he's been an
Speaker 1: actor in to other movies, but it's not credited for this.
Speaker 2: Love It, Love It. Yeah, these behind the scenes guys,
Speaker 2: these are the guys that work hard for the money
Speaker 2: and they make it, make the magic steady cam operators,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, God, we've been lucky enough to
Speaker 2: work with some of our own short films that we've
Speaker 2: worked on. But I remember back in the day at
Speaker 2: the University of Miami where it was the Nash cam.
Speaker 2: Greg Nash, I just want to give him a shout out.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you were aware of this. When
Speaker 2: we shot Vitamin C at the Orange Bowl and I
Speaker 2: was playing the character of hard Ass and Nash developed
Speaker 2: his own steady cam system, which was basically a weighted
Speaker 2: system with literally a rock on like a plank, a
Speaker 2: wood plank to balance out the camera on the other side,
Speaker 2: so it would so he could move along the stands
Speaker 2: because it's in the stadium and he's got to do
Speaker 2: a tracking shot, but he's it's handheld, and it was
Speaker 2: just the coolest thing ever. I remember that. Wow, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Nash cam. So yeah, credit to any all those
Speaker 2: guys behind the scenes, but steadycam operator Churchill. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: So moving on to box office, Bad Boys hit theaters
Speaker 1: on March twenty fifth and nineteen eighty three, debuting on
Speaker 1: four hundred and sixty eight screens across the US. Produced
Speaker 1: on an estimated five million dollar budget, the film earned
Speaker 1: just over nine point two million dollars at the box
Speaker 1: office during its theatrical run. The movie opened in the
Speaker 1: number eight spot at the box office in a crowded
Speaker 1: weekend that also introduced five other new releases, Spring Break,
Speaker 1: The Outsiders, The Black Stallion Returns, Max Dugan Returns, and
Speaker 1: Eddie Macon's Run. Bad Boys remained in the top ten
Speaker 1: for two additional weeks and ultimately finished as the seventy
Speaker 1: fifth highest grossing film of the year in the United States.
Speaker 1: That takes us two reviews. When growing up in the eighties,
Speaker 1: we would watch Steak Previews with Gene Siskel and Roger
Speaker 1: Ebert to hear their reviews and watch clips of upcoming movies. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: they did not cover this movie on their show, but
Speaker 1: Roger did give it three out of four stars. Roger
Speaker 1: praised the movie movie for its gritty realism, authentic depiction
Speaker 1: of street gangs and juvenile prison life, and the standout
Speaker 1: performances from Sean Penn in Eastside Morales. He felt the
Speaker 1: film's first half was powerful and believable, but thought it
Speaker 1: lost some of its impact by slipping into a more
Speaker 1: predictable prison movie ending. Even so, Eber considered it a
Speaker 1: strong effort and an early showcase for several talented filmmakers
Speaker 1: and actors. Rotten Tomatoes because it a Tomatometer score of
Speaker 1: eighty nine percent with a Popcorn Meter score of eighty
Speaker 1: one percent. It also has an IMDb rating of seven
Speaker 1: point two. So this takes us to additional thoughts and questions.
Speaker 1: What are some additional thoughts and questions I had about
Speaker 1: Bad Boys? So here's the two that stuck with me
Speaker 1: for this film. The first one, So we have a
Speaker 1: scene when Mick decides that he's going to break out
Speaker 1: of prison and Barry's going to help him, and Barry
Speaker 1: finds this corrosive material that he uses to paint the fence,
Speaker 1: and the cross of material is going to eat away
Speaker 1: the fence. The way he does this is they do
Speaker 1: runs around the yard and he stops and fakes that
Speaker 1: he has a stomach cramp, pulls a brush out of
Speaker 1: his pants, and then uses it to paint the fence. Well,
Speaker 1: he's got to put that brush somewhere and he kind
Speaker 1: of stuck in his pants. But you can't do that
Speaker 1: because he had the corrosive material now on it. So
Speaker 1: where did he hide his brush to bring it back
Speaker 1: to the prison. I mean, if that thing could eat
Speaker 1: through metal, what's it going to do if it's on
Speaker 1: your flesh. So I don't want to know, but you
Speaker 1: definitely had that question throughout the rest of the movie.
Speaker 1: And my second question is, so at the very end
Speaker 1: of the movie, Mick and Paco have a fight, and
Speaker 1: it's building up to this fight. Once Paco gets into
Speaker 1: jail and we get to the end, Mick has the
Speaker 1: upper hand. He could kill at this point, and he doesn't,
Speaker 1: and he drops a knife, walks off, starts crying, and
Speaker 1: heads back into his cell. So, as an audience member,
Speaker 1: here's my question. If Mick kills Paco in that moment,
Speaker 1: does the movie change for you? Because he is fighting
Speaker 1: in self defense and it's killed or be killed. So
Speaker 1: what happens if he stabs Poco, drops a knife, walks off, crying,
Speaker 1: and walks into his cell, meaning I'm gonna be stuck
Speaker 1: here forever. Does that change the ending of how you
Speaker 1: feel about this movie? Or even what if Paco wins
Speaker 1: the fight and kills Mick. Does that change the ending
Speaker 1: for you? Or does it not change at all? I
Speaker 1: think even if he does kill Paco and walks off
Speaker 1: crying like he does, if he didn't, knowing how where
Speaker 1: his life's gonna go? I think it still serves the
Speaker 1: movie because he was actually trying to do the right thing.
Speaker 1: Circumstances put him in a position that he could not
Speaker 1: feel like he could not get out of, and he's
Speaker 1: just going to be, I hate to quote another movie,
Speaker 1: a bad boy for life. His life is just set
Speaker 1: up that way unfortunately. So I like he does have
Speaker 1: the restraint and doesn't kill Paco. I think if he
Speaker 1: still does it, I still enjoyed the movie as much
Speaker 1: as I did regardless, So think about it. Let me
Speaker 1: know what you think. If the ending slightly changes, does
Speaker 1: it change your perception of the film. So with that
Speaker 1: we will move on to my rating. So on a
Speaker 1: scale of one to five cartons of cigarettes, what do
Speaker 1: I give Bad Boys? And I'm going to give it
Speaker 1: four cartons? This movie was certainly a surprise. First off,
Speaker 1: I just want to thank all the fans that suggested
Speaker 1: that Jason and I do this movie. And I think
Speaker 1: that's one of the great things about doing this podcast
Speaker 1: is not only revisiting movies that we loved, but going
Speaker 1: back and catching movies that we did miss from this decade.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if I ever want to watch
Speaker 1: this movie if it wasn't for the audience, our listeners
Speaker 1: who reached out and asked us multiple times to cover
Speaker 1: this movie. Shout out to Andy Gordon, who I went
Speaker 1: to college with. He was one of the first people
Speaker 1: that said, oh, you got to cover this movie. It
Speaker 1: was one of my favorites. So thank you for doing that.
Speaker 1: Thank you audience. Love the suggestions. We do keep a
Speaker 1: list of everything that you send to us, and we
Speaker 1: do try to put it into our schedule. But for
Speaker 1: the movie itself, what I said from the get go,
Speaker 1: this is a movie about people I do not want
Speaker 1: to hang around people I did not hang around with
Speaker 1: the kid and I was invested in and I think
Speaker 1: I was invested in them because of their strong performances
Speaker 1: in this This is a side of life that I
Speaker 1: was never a part of. Side of life I'm glad
Speaker 1: I was never a part of, and they may be
Speaker 1: interested to see what they went through. Just high marks
Speaker 1: for Sean Penn and Issi Morales and Ali Sheety and
Speaker 1: Clancy Brown. It's really brought me into this world of
Speaker 1: jail and just how dangerous it is on the inside
Speaker 1: it is on the outside, and it really left the
Speaker 1: lasting impression on me. Sometimes you go to movies just
Speaker 1: to be entertained and to enjoy them, and this one
Speaker 1: just really impacted me, and I really enjoyed it. If
Speaker 1: you haven't seen this movie like I had it going
Speaker 1: into this, please check it out and be honest, I
Speaker 1: didn't watch a lot of Sean Penn movies growing up
Speaker 1: in the eighties, but now because of this, and of
Speaker 1: course you know we discussed Fast Times a Ridgebound High,
Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to covering some more of US
Speaker 1: movies from this decade. So with that, that's a wrap
Speaker 1: on this week's episode. Thanks for spending some time with us.
Speaker 1: We always appreciate you listening. If you had fun hanging
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Speaker 1: We'll be back next time with another unforgettable movie from
Speaker 1: the greatest decade in film history, the nineteen eighties. Until then,
Speaker 1: have an excellent day.
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