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Speaker 1: Welcome to an emergency edition of the Federalist Radio Hour.

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This is Molly Hemingway, editor in chief at the Federalist.

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Here for a very special, rare occurrence is our CEO

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and the wind beneath our wings Sean Davis. Welcome, Sean,

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Thank you for having me. So why are we doing this?

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Speaker 2: Yes, we got big news today, so d and I.

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Director of National Intelligence Tulci Gabbard released a declassified version

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of a report that many of us have known about

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and been waiting to see four years. And it is

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a report from the House Intel Committee that was put

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together over many years in Trump's first term, and then

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given to the CIA for review I think September of

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twenty twenty. And what this document and what this investigation

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does is it digs into what's known as the ICA,

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the Intelligence Community Assessment that was issued by the Obama

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admin in late December twenty sixteen. And it sounds very

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academic and weighty and hefty, but it's a really important

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document because this became the basis for the entire Russia

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collusion hoax. And if you'll recall, the Russia collusion hoax

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had two main aspects to it. One that Putin personally

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wanted Trump to win and was going to do everything

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he could to interfere in the election to help Trump win.

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And number two that Trump was aware of this and

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actively colluded with Putin during the twenty sixteen election to

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steal it from Hillary Clinton. So I think it's been

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pretty conclusively debunked the collusion aspect of it. We had

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a long Special Council investigation from Robert Mueller which turned

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up absolutely nothing having to do with Trump Russian collusion.

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They spent tens of millions of dollars in many years

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and never found anything. So we pretty conclusively shown over

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many years that Russia collusion was a hoax. But this

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right here has to do with the claim from the

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beginning that Putin actively wanted Trump to win and took

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took measures specifically throughout the twenty sixteen campaign to help Trump.

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And what we learned from this exact document is that

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foundational claim is false.

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Speaker 1: And it is false in many different and exciting ways,

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and that's what we will go through. But one more

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little piece of background before we do that is that

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recently other documents released by TULCA Gabbard show that there

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was a backstory here. After the election, intelligence showed that

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in fact, yes, Russia had done what it always does,

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which is kind of like pokem prod and try to meddle,

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probably nowhere near what some other countries do to each other,

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but that it hadn't had an effect on the election.

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And this was going to be put in an official

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readout called the Presidential Daily Brief that would have gone

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not just to Obama but also to President elect Trump

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and his incoming National security advisor, Mike Flynn. This is

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completely at odds with the narrative that will be set

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soon thereafter. And so what we know from previous document

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releases is that people conspire to kill that Presidential Daily

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Brief and prohibit it from being shared with everyone, and

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instead President Obama orders an intelligence community assessment. As you say,

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it sounds really legit and says we're going to put

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everything in there that needs to be in there, wink wink, nudge, nudge,

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and could you get it out in such a rush

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timeline that it's almost absurd. And I say that because

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normally a real intelligence assessment would involve a ton of people,

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it would take time to not only draft, but review

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and scrutinize for lack of political influence or credibility of

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the sources, and instead of spending months or even like

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a year on this, they rush it out in two weeks.

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And this report that we're about to go through looks

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at how at the problems with the eventual product. That

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eventual product is briefed to President Trump on January fifth,

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I think it is, and to President elect Trump on

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Speaker 2: Obama on the fifth and then Trump on the sixth.

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Speaker 1: Right, Obama on the fifth, Trump on the sixth, and

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almost immediately leaks to Jake Tapper and his buddies as if,

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and we've done a lot of reporting to substantiate this,

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as if the entire point of the ICA and its

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briefing was precisely so that Jake Tapper would do his

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role in this conspiracy of getting it out there to

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perhaps prevent Trump's inauguration and if that failed to destroy

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his presidency.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's fascinating going back to that Presidential Daily

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Russia had not hacked the election, set it conclusively that

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was supposed to go to Obama and Trump, and it

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was after that or right, around that where Obama suddenly

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orders a brand new intel assessment of what happened. And

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that's really where the Russia collusion hopes from the perspective

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of the federal government begins. It was in that moment

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where Obama ordered this new assessment, which was completely cooked

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up and based on false premises, that was then used

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as the basis to launch this actual coup against Trump.

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Speaker 1: And let's also remember that the same day that Obama

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orders this ICA this assessment, are placed with co conspirators

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what would become the central claim of this ICA, central

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and false, I will note, which is that Russia aspired

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to help Trump. So the first thing the Washington Post leak,

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based on anonymous sources, says that the CIA has conclusively

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determined or something like that, you know, like really strong language,

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that Russia aspired to help Trump. In fact, nothing of

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the kind had happened. And then the New York Times

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does its part in the hoax. By the way, every

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single reporter involved in this conspiracy received, as a reward

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for their participation in it, a Pulitzer prise. The New

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York Times says that the reason why, the reason why

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the CIA has conclusively determined that Russia wanted to help

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Trump is this thing that I'm about to say, which

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is actually false, which is that Russia had hacked both

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the DNC and RNC and only released information on Hillary.

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Now that is false in almost every way. It's possible

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to be false that, for one thing, the RNC actually

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kept saying we weren't hacked. And this report that we're

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about to go through explains why the Republicans had so

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much less vulnerability than Hillary, someone who'd been on the

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public stage for a long time. But also so they

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didn't have information on Trump that they didn't release based

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on what we know, and then they did have explosive

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information about Hillary that they didn't release. So these media,

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the media involvement leading up to the creation of the

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ICA is extremely corrupt as well. So let's go into it.

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Speaker 2: What do you what do you?

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Speaker 1: What should we start with for the document itself?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think we should just start with and

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that we can use this to kind of set a

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roadmap for the conversation. The summary at the beginning of

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this House Intel assessment of the ICA, So they had

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what I think were five really damning findings about the

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process used to create the ICA in the claims made

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in it. So the first one was that the Director

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of CIA, Brennan, ordered the post election publication of fifteen

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reports containing previously collected but unpublished intelligence, three of which

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were substandard, containing information that was unclear, of uncertain origin,

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potentially biased, or implausible, and those became foundational sources for

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the ICA judgments that Putin preferred Trump over Clinton. The

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ICA mis represented these reports as reliable without mentioning their

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significant underlying flaws. So that's number one. Number two one scant,

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unclear and unverifiable fragment of a sentence from one of

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the substandard reports constitutes the only classified information cited to

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suggest Putin aspired to help Trump win. One stant, unclear

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and unverifiable fragment. Just wait till you hear about it.

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the ICA ignored or selectively quoted reliable intelligence reports that

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challenged and in some cases, undermined, judgments that Putin sought

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to elect Trump. Number four, the ICA failed to consider

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plausible alternative explanations of Putin's intentions indicated by reliable intelligence

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and observed Russian actions. There's some doozies in there when

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we get into the specifics. And then finally, Brennan handpicked

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five CIA analysts to write the ICA and Russia's production

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in order to publish two weeks before President elect Trump

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was sworn in. Hurried coordination and limited access to the

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draft reduced opportunities for the IC to discover misquoting which

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Speaker 1: One of the things that's really helpful about this hipsy

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that's the House Permanent Select Commitee on Intelligence, this report

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on the creation of the ICA is they explain a

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little bit about how you're supposed to put an intelligence

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product together. And so what you're supposed to do is

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describe whose sources are. You're supposed to talk about, how

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reliable they are, what the level of their access to

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information is. You're supposed to clearly identify uncertainty that you

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might have about what they're saying, and distinguish between an

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analyst's judgment and information to support that. And again, more

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than anything you're supposed to say when you're uncertain about things.

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That goes quadruple for high profile intelligence products. And this

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was an intelligence product that even at its most secure,

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like its most classified level, was being handed out like

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candy to two hundred and fifty government officials. So this

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was extremely high profile and intended to undermine an incoming administration.

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to how to describe something, it just ramps up really high.

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Do you tell us how they failed, Sean, So.

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Speaker 2: They failed in every possible way. So it's remarkable just

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by itself that a fragment of a sentence, which could

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be interpreted in multiple different ways, even if it were

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accurate and verified, became the basis for the whole claim

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that Putin wanted Trump to win. That by itself is remarkable.

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was presented to They don't say it but to deliberately

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mislead the reader or consumer of this intelligence so that

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they would go and believe something that really had no

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basis in reality.

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Speaker 1: And I think there was before you get into it,

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there was a footnote that describes how Brennan got access

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to this information. And again, normally, when you get access

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you write down what it was that they said, and

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how you assess it in terms of your confidence level

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and he it says in this footnote. CIA officers also

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said that Brennan personally directed two of the most important

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reports not to be formally disseminated when he first learned

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of them, supposedly because they were too sensitive to create

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printed copies. And this report says we were unable to

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explain to obtain a convincing explanation, however, for why Brennan

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did this, since the CIA has a special reporting channel

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for stuff like that, and experienced CIA officers noted that

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publishing a written report creates a formal record copy vetted

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officers and linguists. Unclear or poorly sourced information would normally

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we see that kind of throughout the construction

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they had kind of been floating around the CIA previously,

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but they had never actually been a lot of them

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had never been formally published as Intel reports because the

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CIA officers that had reviewed them just didn't really have

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any confidence in them. On page three of this report,

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it says the CIA professionals had decided not to publish

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for various reasons having to do with tradecraft standards. Most

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of the fifteen reports were unremarkable, but three contained flawed information,

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and these three became foundational sources. The ICA cided to

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claim Putin's aspired Putin aspired to help Trump win. Senior

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CIA officers said some of the information had been judged

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who had not met various long standing IC standards for publication,

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And yet it was Brennan who demanded that these go

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into the ICA over the objections of career INTEL experts

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and officers. And the main thing here, I think the

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biggest blockbuster is this fragment of a sentence that became

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the basis for the whole Russian hoax, and in this

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report they actually include the whole paragraph, which is this

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Putin had made this decision in paratheticals to leak DNC

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emails after he had come to believe that the Democrat

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nominee had better odds of winning the US presidential election,

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and that parenthetical candidate Trump, whose victory Putin was counting on,

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with whose victory Putin was counting on bolded, most likely

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would not be able to pull off a convincing victory.

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Speaker 1: And now I'll just to point out that fragment whose

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victory Putin was counting on is the entire main basis

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of the russiaclusion hoax. So this sentence fragment becomes really

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Speaker 2: Go on, Yeah, And they noted here the ICA did

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not cite any report where Putin directly indicated helping Trump

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win was the objective. That judgment rested on a questionable

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interpretation of this one unclear fragment of a sentence, and

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a senior CIA operations officer quoting in this review said,

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of that fragment, we don't know what was meant by that,

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particular way. This information we're told was obtained, I believe

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in early July around them of twenty sixteen. This was

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nominee yet and normally.

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Speaker 1: Would say, yeah, but he won the primary, so he's

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totally we know he's the nominee. Except if you remember

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in twenty sixteen, that's not true. There is a massive

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and coordinated and well funded effort to keep Trump from

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getting the nomination at the Republican convention. I wrote about it.

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I was like, oh, Ted Cruse is so great for

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trying to stop Trump. One of my more embarrassing pieces.

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Do you remember this? Ted Cruz went to the convention

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and tried to do a victory despite having not won

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the primary. So, while it was true that the odds

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of Trump securing the nomination were high, it was by

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no means set in Stone and the media were very

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much amplifying the idea that they might be able to

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keep him from getting the nomination.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so one way to interpret this is that putin

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was counting on Trump's victory in the primary process and

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was therefore assuming that he would be the nominee against Hillary.

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So that to me would be a good faith interpretation.

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There might be other ones. But you have a top

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CIA operations officer saying we don't know what was meant

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by that, and five people read it five ways and that,

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by the way, assumes that they knew the exact source

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of that paragraph and that assertion, and that they had

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verified the accuracy of it and the reliability of that source,

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which they never did so. In one paragraph below this,

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they say, the significance of this fragment to the ICA

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case that putin aspired for candidate Trump win cannot be overstated.

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The major high confidence judgment of the ICA rests on

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one opinion about a text fragment with uncertain meaning that

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may be a garble and for which it is not

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clear how it was obtained. This text, which would not

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have been published without Brennan's orders to do so, is

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cited using only one interpretation of its meaning and without

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considering alternative interpretations. And the reason why is shocking.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy, and you're one of the things that you're

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required to do in the intelligence community when you're doing

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an assessment is to consider alternate interpretations. And so they

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put a high confidence rating on kind of a weird

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interpretation of this and did not consider all the different things,

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like the one like the one you and I just

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said here. There are other problems with it too, right,

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like we don't know anything about who the source is

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But is he saying that someone heard Putin say he

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was counting on Trump's fix? Is he's saying that he

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thinks that people close to Putin know that Putin is

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counting on Trump to win the nomination. Is he's saying,

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you know what I mean, we don't even know if

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it's like a sub source of a sub source, the

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analysis from a sub source of a sub source, or

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something direct, Like it's clearly not direct from Putin, but like,

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this is how intelligence is gathered. Nobody's blaming people for

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not having really good information. But the idea that you

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would run an entire hoax on a fragment this shoty

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is holy smoly, Like how can this not be massively illegal?

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Speaker 2: But go on, well, yeah, And we actually have a

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quote from the original raw intel report with that piece

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of intel, and it said the identified sub source of

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paragraphs two and three had authoritative insight into redacted, but

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the exact circumstances in which the sub source obtains the

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information on Putin's plans we're not explicitly clear. And so

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the report said the ICA used an abbreviated description of

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the source that without further mention of the problems associated

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with the fragment misleads the reader to conclude that Putin

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wanted Trump to win, contrary to written Intel Community directives

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and guidance. The ICA failed to explain the misgivings of

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CIA professionals about the lack of clarity of the fragment,

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the possibility of other interpretations of it, That fragment does

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not actually say Putin aspired to help Trump, or that

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it is not known how the information was acquired. And

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then on top of that, we learn later in this

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review of the ICA that that particular source had clear

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anti Trump bias, which was never made clear in the ICA.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's more, Sean, the source never says that

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Putin preferred Trump, Like we're making the claim that Putin

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preferred Trump based on this fragment that never says he

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preferred Trump, which basic logic. Also, it's not known this

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is a little deplicative of what you just said, but

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how the subsource obtained the information and thus whether the

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fragment reflected the sub source's opinion of Putin's inner thoughts,

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Putin's actual statements made to the sub source or some

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third person's opinions relate to the sub source who then

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relayed these to the established source. But also it never says,

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contrary to what Brennan is shopping around, that Putin launches

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the leak operations. Oh wait this that might be a

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different one. Yeah, that Putin launched the leak operations to

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help Trump win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's There's another interesting aspect of this is

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that there were multiple versions of this ICA that had

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been published and were not talking classified or declassified, like

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completely different drafts that had been published, one on December twentieth,

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one on December twenty eighth of twenty sixteen, the one

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that was done on December twentieth, which was done at

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the behest of Obama to go review all of the

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intel collected and determine what Russia had been doing and

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not doing. That original draft didn't have this bid in there.

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It more hued to what was in that rescinded Presidential

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Daily Brief that said, yeah, they did some hacking stuff,

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but it had no effect. They didn't get into any

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critical infrastructure. And that's it. Brennan ordered a new draft

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to be done when this wasn't included in it. And

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it's interesting if you go back and read news reports

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from around the same time. He clearly was expecting that

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to be in there, because leaks to the Washington Post

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and other publications made it sound like there was going

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to be this ICA that had concluded definitively that Trump

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was being helped by Putin to win. And then it

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doesn't show up in the report that he had hoped for,

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so he basically trashes that report. Brennan does and orders

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them to revise it again to put this nonsense in it,

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And that one was the final version that was put

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out on December twenty eighth.

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Speaker 1: Yes, experienced CIA officers responsible for like the Russia House

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basically is like, well, this obviously doesn't meet our standards,

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so we're not putting it in there. And Brennan quote

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countermanded their decision Comma. However, Comma and ordered that the

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fragment be included so that it could be cited in

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the ICA. So like, first off, these weren't even these

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reports weren't even out there being like properly handled in

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the normal CIA system. He after Obama orders this ICA,

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was like, well, we should put these in some reports

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so we can quote them in the ICA. The reporting

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did not even meet the INTEL did not meet the

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standards for being included in the report, and so Brennan's like,

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I'm going to personally say, you have to put it

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in there so that I can cite it in the ICA,

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Like this is this is so much worse than we

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even imagined.

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Speaker 2: It gets better, it's better. So take yourself back again

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to early winter, late fall of twenty sixteen. They're ticked

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Trump one. They're trying to figure out what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Twenty seventeen, twenty sixteen, Well, got it, got it?

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Yeah, Trump has won, but he's not been inaugurated

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and either late November actually I think it was early December,

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you started seeing news reports that Obama's officials are trying

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to get the head of the National Security Agency, the NSA,

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Mike Rogers fired, which is weird because that's normally a

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fairly i would say, a political job. That the NSA

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does all of the mechanical digital spying and all that,

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all the collection, they manage it. They're not doing the

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same type of analytical work that say the CIA is doing.

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So you have Brennan and Clapper trying to get Mike

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Rogers fired, and you think, wow, that's odd. I wonder

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why we actually know why now in reading through this report,

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and it's because Mike Rogers, at the time this ICA

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was being put together, objected to that fragment of a

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sentence of intel the basis for the IICA. He objected

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to that being described as having high confidence, and he

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says NSA has moderate confidence in the assessment given a

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limited source base, lack of corroborating intelligence, and the possibility

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for an alternative judgment. Rogers testified around that time it

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ultimately boils down to a human or human intelligence source

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that did not have direct access. I didn't find the

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level of corroboration that led me to high confidence. I

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didn't see multiple sources.

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Speaker 1: And there's something important that we should mention about high confidence,

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moderate confidence, and low confidence. And they actually explain how

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to define those different things. And I think the easiest

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way to understand it is that what the intelligence community

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refers to as high confidence is what a normal person

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would say is like average confidence. What they say is

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moderate confidence. Confidence is what we would say is low confidence.

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And what they say is low confidence is what we

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would say is extremely low. Okay, So high confidence the

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definition generally indicates judgments are based on high quality info.

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And multiple sources, not that it's been vetted and confirmed

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or corroborated, just that like it's pretty good. Moderate means

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the information is plausible and credibly sourced, but not of

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sufficient quality or corroboration to warrant like saying much about it.

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And low confidence means that basically it's made up. So sorry,

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that's a that's a shorthand information to fragmented or poorly

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corroborated to make solid inferences or reliability. So already, high

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confidence is a nice phrase for something that does not

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mean much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And and so the fact that you have that,

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they clearly are desperate to have this in there. It's

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the basis of their entire cop operation. And incomes Mike Rogers,

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one of the top intel officials, you know, tasked with

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collecting so much intel, saying no, no, I do not

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have high confidence in that. And then almost immediately we

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see leaks starting to show up to get him fired.

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At the same time he's trying to stand in the

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way of this. And everyone had wondered at the time,

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why on earth was Trump just meeting with Rogers? Why

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were Brennan and Clapper trying to get Rogers fired? And

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I think for the first time we actually have something

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of a definitive answer, is that he was standing in

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the way of them laundering garbage intelligence into this document.

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Speaker 1: That's a really good point. So in general, the ICA

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notes that the key judgments are based on this single

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well established quote unquote well established source, and it's the

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that single source is like what everything is resting on.

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So it sounds like someone, you know, someone high up

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that they're getting info from.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I think the next big thing. So

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we've got this fragment of a sentence which could be

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interpreted to a bunch of different ways and might not

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have even been legit since they didn't really understand the

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exact source or how.

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Speaker 1: They just don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have them trying to get Mike Rogers fired

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for saying, hey, I don't have high confidence in this.

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But then we also have the thing that everyone's been

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talking about for years, which is the Steele dossier.

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Speaker 1: Okay, before we actually get to the part of steel,

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which is its own huge thing, there is a second

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source they that the ICA uses to allege that Putin

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preferred Trump. Once again, this is something that was never

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written up when it came in, probably because of the

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low state the low like there was no reason to

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kind of treat it very seriously. It comes in in

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February twenty sixteen, and CIA operations officers declined to publish

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it because they considered it quote odd quote and quote

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lacking authoritativeness. Quote. It only gets disseminated once Obama says

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you got to give me everything you got, no matter

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how made up it is, okay, and it is subsequently

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used without any caveats at all to source this claim

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that Putin developed a clear preference for Trump. Now it

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says that it's a plan of some kind. Well, let's

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just quote from this document. The ICA bullet text is alarming,

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implying the existence of a Russian plan for engagement with

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the Trump campaign that most readers would see as strong

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evidence of Putin showing a clear preference for Trump. But

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the ICA omits critical report context, which would have made

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it look for Dick. What I just said that people

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thought it was odd and lacking authoritativeness.

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Speaker 2: They also said.

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Speaker 1: CIA officer said it would not have met the threshold

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for dissemination, and they failed to clarify that this supposed

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plan was not a plan, It was just an email

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with no date, no identified sender, no clear recipient, and

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no classification. CIA could not in any way vouch for

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the sources vetting validation or access and station officers in

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Ukraine and Russia. Is this sense you get here, could

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not obtain further clarification from where they you know, from

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the place where they'd gotten it.

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Speaker 2: And that let me read. Let me read the actual note, Molly,

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because it makes clear how absurd it is that they

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how they interpreted it. As early as February twenty sixteen.

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This is what was in the ICA. A Russian political

481
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expert possessed a plan that recommended engagement with Trump's team

482
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because of the prospects for improved US Russian relations, according

483
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to reporting from Redactive government service, which context clused later

484
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,160
in here suggests it was from a Ukrainian security service. Yes,

485
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so a Russian political expert possessed plan that recommended engagement

486
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because of prospects for improved US relations with Russia. That's it.

487
00:30:23,759 --> 00:30:29,079
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what the ICA calls a Russian plan for

488
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,720
engagement was actually an anonymous email proposal to place somebody

489
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on the Trump team to formulate like less hostile posture

490
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toward Russia. There's no explanation of how it would be done,

491
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,160
why candidate Trump would want as they put a well

492
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known pro Kremlin official on his campaign team to endure

493
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what the media would put him through, and had the

494
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bullet clarified where it came from, some readers would have

495
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known of the anti Trump bias. Another anti Trump thing here.

496
00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:08,920
There was no security justification for obscuring the identity of

497
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the Foreign Service, as the intelligence community assessment was written

498
00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:17,119
for the President, who was cleared for everything. So again

499
00:31:17,319 --> 00:31:20,799
we've got these three layers of classification. There's the public view,

500
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:24,599
the declassified ICA, there's like a moderately classified one, and

501
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:29,039
then a super classified one. And the superclassified one obscures

502
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:31,839
where this comes from. And there's no reason for that

503
00:31:31,839 --> 00:31:34,160
because it was just going to the president, supposedly the

504
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president and vice president. And here's where the context clues are.

505
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,640
The ICA made no mention of Ukraine's documented objections to

506
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,920
candidate Trump. The ambassador to Washington had literally done this

507
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,880
very unusual thing of publishing an op ed attacking Trump,

508
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,319
so that should have also been mentioned in here.

509
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Speaker 2: And then we had a third thing in there, so

510
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we had the the fragment, we had the anonymous emailed

511
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plan from some random guy who wasn't even in the government.

512
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And then we had a third source here, which I

513
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think is detailed on.

514
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Speaker 1: Page ten, and the actual claim is the established source

515
00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:23,400
was secondhand. Access noted that several members of Putin's inner

516
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:28,599
circle strongly preferred Republican over Democratic candidates because they judged

517
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that Republicans had historically been less focused on democracy and

518
00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:35,359
human rights. First off, that doesn't sound right. I just

519
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,240
want to say, like, do you think Russia is like,

520
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,920
we don't like democrats and we like Republicans because they

521
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,680
are not focused on democracy and human rights.

522
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Speaker 2: They loved Reagan. The Russians famously loved Reagan. Everyone knows this.

523
00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:52,119
Speaker 1: And I think if we know anything about George W.

524
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,119
Bush's foreign policy of spreading democracy in hostile lands, it's

525
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that he was not focused on democracy. I think that'd

526
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be fair to.

527
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Speaker 2: Say, right, Yeah, what I love in here in this

528
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,119
review of the ICA where they tell us the phrase

529
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:11,839
strongly preferred Republicans never actually appeared in the raw intelligence

530
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:16,799
report that it was sourced to. I mean, that's there's

531
00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:20,920
one thing to misquote something, and there's an entirely another

532
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,759
thing to just invent something that it never says, which

533
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:31,160
is historically nonsensical and just obviously wrong to the most

534
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:36,160
basic educated person. But the phrase strongly preferred Republicans does

535
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,319
not appear in the raw intelligence report. It's these three

536
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:42,720
things well forms the foundation of the claim that Trump

537
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:44,880
wanted that Putin wanted Trump to win.

538
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: Once again, this is something that was only put into

539
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:53,000
the intelligence collection in mid December twenty sixteen, even though

540
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:58,480
they had gotten the information some earlier time in twenty sixteen,

541
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,680
and they have no idea who the ultimate source of

542
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,279
the information is. And it is once again in unclear

543
00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:08,920
if this is like a personal opinion or not. And also, yeah,

544
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so the phrase doesn't appear. And then he also says

545
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:18,719
historically that Republicans were less concerned with these issues. And

546
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,599
it says the ICA did not take the basic analytic

547
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:26,119
step of comparing the plausibility to the documented policies of

548
00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:29,119
the past three Republican presidents, all of whom featured democracy

549
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:32,079
and human rights as cornerstones of their foreign policy. And

550
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,280
this analysis, says, reminds people that President Reagan's famous quote was,

551
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,440
mister Gorbachev, tear down this wall. So it doesn't even

552
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,880
like stand up to the most basic level of scrutiny

553
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,119
for being legit.

554
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a great paragraph in this report where they

555
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,599
say it's unclear if the original source of this actually

556
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:57,159
had access to Putin's private statements or those of his

557
00:34:57,159 --> 00:35:00,480
inner circle. That seems like an important thing to establish,

558
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:03,440
or if this was the sub sources personal opinions of

559
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:08,079
Putin's personal thoughts, if this was a garble or misunderstanding,

560
00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:14,800
or if this reflected opinions of some other unknown person's opinions.

561
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,800
It's it's all of the things that we kind of

562
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,599
assumed were going on. Those were we didn't have good assumptions,

563
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But finding out what actually happened makes me feel like

564
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,039
we were not nearly as skeptical and cynical as we

565
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:34,239
should be. As skeptical and cynical as we were, we

566
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,599
weren't enough. We weren't distrusting enough.

567
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Speaker 1: Like I don't have high view of Russia, so I

568
00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:42,960
kind of assumed they had something. At least I thought

569
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,119
they had something so much more than this. I will

570
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:50,800
also note that in the intelligence community assessment they will

571
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,880
sometimes say, like, we have corroboration for this in a

572
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,199
list of these other documents and This hipsy report notes

573
00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:01,599
that the ICA claimed information for this report was corroborated

574
00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:06,719
by liaison, diplomatic and press reporting, as well as sensitive

575
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:13,360
signals intelligence, but in following up every citation, none were

576
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,079
found to corroborate the ICA claims. And who's going to

577
00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:18,039
like really look through all that, you know, like, hey,

578
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:20,719
you don't even have access to this supposed corroboration. But

579
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,400
even if you do, are you really going to go

580
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,320
and look through everything and be like, oh yeah, this

581
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,440
checks out, this checks out. But if you did, none

582
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,239
of the litany of support they claimed they had for

583
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:30,920
this checked out.

584
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,039
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, let me let me read what they had

585
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:37,079
in the report. So we had liaison, sigan and diplomatic

586
00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:42,159
sources undergirding this claim. The sided Liaison reporting didn't mention

587
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,199
Trump at all and was from twenty fourteen, before Trump

588
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:51,079
was a candidate. The sided sigant also didn't mention Trump,

589
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,639
and the side of diplomatic report is a post election

590
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,880
overview of Moscow from the US ambassador that references a

591
00:36:59,039 --> 00:37:03,039
media opinion him by a Russian pundit suggesting that Trump

592
00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:06,559
and Putin should work together like businessmen, which is hardly

593
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:11,880
a corroboration of Putin's quote inner circle preferring Republicans or businessmen.

594
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:15,559
And then finally, it's one thing to falsely say that

595
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:23,280
they preferred Republicans, but the ICA also excluded direct intel

596
00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:26,920
that they had that said they were actually, like, not

597
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:30,519
really wanting Republicans because those who would hold positions in

598
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:34,159
a Trump admin should he win, will likely adhere to conservative,

599
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,000
anti Russian positions. So not only did they misrepresent the

600
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:41,880
pro case, they didn't even include the opposite case. It's

601
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,079
like the entire thing was designed to mislead and then

602
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:47,199
to be leaked to the.

603
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: Media, which, surprise, is exactly what happened. Yeah, so this

604
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,840
HIPSI report lists all of the many things that would

605
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,719
have been included if it were a real intelligence analysis.

606
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,960
For instance, the cited report that we just talked about

607
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:04,079
out actually quoted Trump, quoted Russians as saying, we do

608
00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:08,440
not feel any euphoria about Trump's win. Then you've got

609
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,800
all this like private information, you know, significant intelligence that

610
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,440
says Putin told him he did not care who won

611
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,280
the election. Putin had often outlined the weaknesses of both

612
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,679
major candidates. Putin asserted that in either case, Russia was

613
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,840
strategically placed to out maneuver either one. Meaning just again,

614
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:29,960
we don't care if it's Clinton or Trump. We have

615
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:31,840
a way of controlling them no matter what, or you know,

616
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:32,960
going after them no matter what.

617
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So then next we'll get to steal in a minute. Next,

618
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,039
we had all the dirt that they had on Hillary

619
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:45,920
Clinton that they never actually released, which you would think

620
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,800
that if they wanted Trump to win, and if they

621
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,960
had concluded, which according to the ICA, they had, that

622
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:55,840
Trump would not win absent some sort of last minute,

623
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,400
big mega dump of OPO on Hillary, you would think

624
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,079
if the Russians wanted Trump to win, they would have

625
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:07,719
dumped all that OPO on Hillary. But they didn't, and

626
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,800
some of that opo is really kind of shocking. They

627
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,960
had a whole bunch of stuff that they claim showed

628
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:18,360
she was in poor health, that potentially she was a

629
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:25,800
type two diabetic, that she was on medicines dealing with psychosis,

630
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,039
that she was physically and mentally ill. And if you

631
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:31,719
recall some of the videos that we saw towards the

632
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,280
end of the campaign, you know, one of them was

633
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,599
Hillary walking on the sidewalk and then she basically got

634
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,880
picked up like a bag of flower and thrown into

635
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,559
a van and then spared it off, and then we

636
00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:44,679
were told later on, oh, she just had a fever

637
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,559
and was like a little dehydrated. Imagine what the effect

638
00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:52,519
would have been if there had been information released in

639
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:55,679
the waning weeks of the campaign that she was actually

640
00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:00,440
in dire physical health, and yet Russia never released that. So,

641
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,320
if they really wanted Trump to win, why didn't they

642
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,840
do that? That is a question an honest analyst would

643
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,440
ask or present so you could understand the full picture.

644
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,559
Speaker 1: Right, The central claim of this Ica Russia collusion hoax

645
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:19,440
is that Russia aspired to help Trump. They further say

646
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,639
that Russia never gave up hope of defeating Trump. Now,

647
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:28,039
the underlying reason for them saying this is completely ridiculous, right,

648
00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:32,159
But also, as you note, if it were true that

649
00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:35,199
they never gave up hope and that they aspired to

650
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:41,320
help Trump and they had absolutely explosive information on Hillary

651
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,960
Clinton that could have really hurt her, why did they

652
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,920
not release it? Remember back to that New York Times story,

653
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,639
we're told, based on anonymous sources to the corrupt media

654
00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:57,480
that the reason why they make this assessment is because

655
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,039
they had negative information on Trump that they chose not

656
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:05,559
to release. In fact, they had negative information on Hillary

657
00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:09,079
that they chose not to release. Now, if you're thinking

658
00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:11,880
of alternate explanations, one of the obvious ones would be

659
00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:14,000
they expect her to win and they want to use

660
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,400
this against her as president. Right, if they had never

661
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,760
given up hope that they could have defeated her, why

662
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,039
would they have not deployed it when the election was

663
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:26,519
down to like one and a half points, Right, It

664
00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:30,079
doesn't make sense for a basic like my kids would

665
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:32,840
have hit this in you know, six grade logic levels.

666
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,199
They would have been able to figure out that this

667
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,000
didn't make sense. And yet this, this is the quality

668
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,800
of the report.

669
00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:42,519
Speaker 2: All right, Can we move to the Steele dossier now?

670
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but can you help me out by telling me

671
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,719
which page because I just for context, everybody, we have

672
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forty four pages here.

673
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Speaker 2: And I think we're in twenty three ish.

674
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,599
Speaker 1: That starts on page twenty four. Just so you guys know,

675
00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:58,440
we're skipping over a lot of stuff that you might

676
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,559
find interesting if you want to reach it on your

677
00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:04,079
own time. So, okay, let's get to Steal dossier.

678
00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:07,079
Speaker 2: Go for it. Yeah, So we were told for a

679
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:10,519
long time once the Steele dossier kind of felled apart,

680
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,079
and props to Ben Smith of BuzzFeed, who unintentionally and

681
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:19,039
accidentally destroyed the entire Russia collusion hoax by publishing that

682
00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:24,000
thing in January of twenty seventeen. Because remember it was

683
00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:26,639
supposed to be something that was just whispered about and

684
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,760
referred to by like Jake Tapper on CNN, and it

685
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,960
wasn't something we were ever supposed to see. Because it

686
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:38,400
was such an amateurish, ridiculous document full of obvious nonsense.

687
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,800
They needed to have the innu window, they didn't needed

688
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,360
to have the raw intel out there. So Ben Smith,

689
00:42:43,559 --> 00:42:46,159
you know, thinking he's helping the cause, accidentally puts it

690
00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:48,320
out there and it blows up the whole thing. So

691
00:42:48,639 --> 00:42:51,880
after that, after everyone understands what a joke that it is,

692
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,000
they everyone on the left, the Democrats, the media, they

693
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,840
were all trying to distance themselves from it. No, no, no, no,

694
00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:02,400
the Rush investigation wasn't about the Steele dossier. You know,

695
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,039
Steele dossier wasn't in the FISA on Carter page, which

696
00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:07,440
was a lie. We know it was. No. There there

697
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,719
was other intel. What they're pointing to is the ICA

698
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:16,239
and They were adamant for years that the Steele dossier

699
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,119
was not in the ICA. You know, Komee had wanted

700
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:21,320
it in, but he couldn't get it in, and so

701
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,000
they ended up including it as an annex or an appendix,

702
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,159
but it never appeared in the main body of the

703
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,000
ICA that was crammed down our throats for years.

704
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:34,079
Speaker 1: And so I will quote from the HIPSI analysis contradicting

705
00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:38,480
the public claims by Brennan that the dossier quote was

706
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not in any way quote incorporated into the ICA. The

707
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:50,079
dossier was referenced in the ICA main body text and

708
00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:53,199
further detailed in a two page ICA annex. Let's see

709
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,679
what they say here. So on the central hoax claim,

710
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,960
which is that Russia aspired to help Trump, they listed

711
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:02,840
bullets of why they believe it. We've already gone through

712
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,400
three of them, and how they are not what you

713
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,760
would base any claim on. The fourth bullet that there

714
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,119
was evidence of Putin aspiring to help Trump says for

715
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:18,559
additional reporting on Russian plans and attentions, please see the

716
00:44:18,599 --> 00:44:22,800
Steele dossier. So it's just a complete better life. It

717
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was actually used as substantially completely manufactured fake thing that

718
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:34,400
Hillary Clinton paid for was cited in the most controversial

719
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:40,079
claim put here. Also, it says by devoting nearly two

720
00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:43,079
pages of text to summarizing the dossier, because remember this

721
00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:45,119
actual ICA is pretty short, but then they do to

722
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:48,960
two page summary of the Steele dossier, it suggested that

723
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,199
there was a lot of significance to it, and the

724
00:44:51,519 --> 00:44:56,280
ICA referred to the dossier as Russian plans and intentions,

725
00:44:56,519 --> 00:45:00,360
which implies to policymakers, to members of Congress that the

726
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:05,320
dossier had intelligence value for understanding Moscow's influence operations. It

727
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,280
did not. It was made up by Christopher Steele and

728
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,480
his sub source who we later learned like totally had

729
00:45:11,519 --> 00:45:12,320
no access at all.

730
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,559
Speaker 2: It was made it up, and it was funded by Hillary, yes,

731
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,039
which they also lied about repeatedly. No, no, no, it

732
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:22,519
wasn't funded by Hillary. And then we find out right

733
00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:26,000
as Devin Nunez was about to expose it that oh, yeah,

734
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,360
you know, mistakes were made, and yeah, Hillary and the

735
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:34,039
DNC totally funded it. So they lied about, Oh, they

736
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:36,719
lied about putting it in the ICA, but they even

737
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,599
did more chicanery. And we talked about the two different

738
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,920
drafts of the ICA. There was the December twentieth one

739
00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:47,800
that didn't have the uncorroborated nonsense. And then there was

740
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:52,199
the kind of the final draft of December twenty eighth

741
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:54,840
that came out. But of that December twenty eighth one,

742
00:45:55,719 --> 00:46:00,519
there were several different versions that were created that different

743
00:46:00,599 --> 00:46:05,199
information in them. For example, says here in the report,

744
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,440
even though the dossier information was unclassified, the dossier summary

745
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:13,079
was only included in the highest classified version of the

746
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,440
ICA that was brief to President Obama and President Electroump

747
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:20,079
and was seen by various national security officials in senior

748
00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:24,400
political appointees. It was omitted from both the top secret

749
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,639
version of the ICA released for Congress and the unclassified

750
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,320
public release version. So this gets to this wasn't just

751
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,880
mere dishonesty or forgetful memory. They knew it was in there,

752
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,519
especially Brennan, because he demanded it go in there. He

753
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,400
put it in there over the objections of career intell

754
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,519
officials who said that it shouldn't be included at all

755
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:50,000
because it failed to meet basic tradecraft. So he put

756
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:53,079
it in there, but he made sure that the versions

757
00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:55,880
that might get out to the public, the one that

758
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,440
went to Congress in the unclassified public release version those

759
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,559
didn't have it in it, so then he could go

760
00:47:02,599 --> 00:47:04,760
to Congress, he could go leak and say no, it

761
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,199
wasn't in there at all, because he knew they didn't

762
00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:09,840
have access to it, So he was able to smuggle

763
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,760
in the information he wanted, which everyone knew was bogus,

764
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,599
but not have any accountability for it. And then he

765
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:18,320
knew he could lie about it because the versions that

766
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,559
everyone had access to wouldn't have it in it.

767
00:47:21,079 --> 00:47:23,199
Speaker 1: There's more. I mean, it's all related to this. But

768
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,320
by relegating the dossier text to only the highest classified versions,

769
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:32,280
the authors were better able to shield the assessment from scrutiny.

770
00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:35,960
And that's why your point about BuzzFeed publishing it being

771
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:40,159
like a total victory for you and me and for

772
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,039
most normal Americans. The moment we read the actual dossier,

773
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:49,679
we were like, oh, it's stupid. The only way that

774
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,320
they could use this to destroy a presidency was by

775
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:58,000
hiding the details, because it crumbled under just even the

776
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:01,199
least amount of scrutiny. A little, a little quite a

777
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,960
side trip here, which is all of the information that's

778
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,920
been coming out from Gabbard and Ratcliffe show that good.

779
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,159
You know, I think people have gotten such a bad

780
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,920
view of the intelligence officers, but it's just worth remembering

781
00:48:13,519 --> 00:48:18,920
good people, good career bureaucrats were screaming from the rooftops

782
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:23,960
against including this material, and Brennan and Comy overruled them.

783
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a great quote in here about Brennan's duplicity.

784
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:32,840
One Intel officer who objected to it being included because

785
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,480
it failed to be basic trade crest standards, said that

786
00:48:37,559 --> 00:48:41,199
when Brennan had been confronted with the dossier's mini flaws,

787
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:46,199
he responded, yes, but doesn't it ring true? And that's

788
00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:47,199
why it was included.

789
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,639
Speaker 1: Every CIA analyst and operations officer who was asked about

790
00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:57,360
the dossier took pains to emphasize they had nothing to

791
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,360
do with the decision to include it, could not vouch

792
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,760
for it, did not believe it should have been included.

793
00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:06,920
And then some CI officers blamed FBI officials for adding it,

794
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,840
which is fair because I have a piece coming out

795
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:14,000
about this soon. But Comy Struck and pre Step were

796
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,199
running a full on campaign to get it in there.

797
00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. One person quoted in the report says, our instructions

798
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,599
were that anything we had was to be used. We

799
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:28,440
were to push this, So what does that tell you

800
00:49:28,519 --> 00:49:32,639
about what Brennan and Clapper and Komy were actually up to.

801
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:35,440
They were told that this stuff was false. They were

802
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,880
told that it was poorly sourced. They were told that

803
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,440
there was no corroboration. They were told that it failed

804
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,800
basic standards. They were told that it violated I see

805
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,440
directives on how to put intel in here, and they

806
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,840
demanded it go in there anyway. They did it so

807
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,679
that the public would never see it, and then when

808
00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:53,679
they were asked about it over and over and again,

809
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:54,760
they lied about it.

810
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: So the next like ten pages are all about how

811
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,519
shoddy the Steele dossier was. And I don't know how

812
00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:04,159
much we need to go into that, because I feel

813
00:50:04,199 --> 00:50:06,760
like this is an area where we do have a

814
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:11,079
lot of public reporting now. The level of detail here

815
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:12,440
is great. I don't know if there's anything you want

816
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:13,599
to bring out from that.

817
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 2: Sean well to say they failed to properly characterize Steel

818
00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:22,440
and what he was doing when they cited it in

819
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,480
the ICA. At no point did they say it was

820
00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:28,280
opposition research funded by a campaign. At no point did

821
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,519
they say the source who provided it himself was virulently

822
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:37,039
anti Trump and was furious at the FBI forever. Even

823
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:41,280
looking in the direction of Hillary's emails, it never says

824
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,760
that he had a history of providing information that hadn't

825
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,519
been corroborated. These are all things you would think you

826
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:49,599
would want to know as a consumer of Intel to

827
00:50:49,639 --> 00:50:51,960
make sure you have the whole picture, And yet time

828
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:56,639
after time that information was denied and excluded from these

829
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,920
Intel assessments, And I think that tells you everything about

830
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:02,880
the motive and the intent of the people who forced

831
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:03,079
it in.

832
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 1: There a few little things that made me laugh from

833
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:13,280
this Hypsi analysis. One is that Komi repeatedly lies about

834
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,599
how the reporting has been corroborated. Now, the way I

835
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:20,280
used to always describe it is like it's like they

836
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,119
would say, oh, yes, it's corroborated because Christopher Steele says

837
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:25,719
that Russia is a country, and in fact that's true.

838
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,159
Russia is a country, so his reporting is corroborated. Corroboration

839
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:36,760
assumes that we're talking about his salacious claims, not basic facts.

840
00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:41,639
Some of the examples of the corroboration were that the

841
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:46,440
Steele dossier says Russia saw NATO expansionism as part of

842
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:51,840
a trend of Western hostility toward Russia. Sean, this is

843
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,119
like in every textbook, in every story, in every policy paper,

844
00:51:55,159 --> 00:51:58,599
in the public statements of Russian officials. The idea that

845
00:51:58,599 --> 00:52:01,920
Steele was credible because he noticed that Russia didn't like

846
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:06,400
NATO expansion is absurd. And yet this is the kind

847
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,039
of crap that we had to deal with, with media

848
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:12,280
people saying to us when we were like, we think

849
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,800
they used the Steele dossier, and they're like, uh no,

850
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,480
And also they did, and it was very credible. He's

851
00:52:17,519 --> 00:52:19,880
a super spy. He doesn't speak Russian, but he's a

852
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:24,199
super Russian spy. He knows everything about Russia without speaking Russia,

853
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,239
and all of it was corroborated. For instance, he said

854
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,480
Russia thought NATO expansion was a threat. I mean, this

855
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:32,000
is what we had to deal with. But to see

856
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:37,679
it here is just like infuriating. Also, Komy lied when

857
00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:41,159
he said he flat out told Trump and wrote that

858
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,840
he told Trump that much of the dossier had been

859
00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:48,320
consistent with and corroborative of other intelligence. In fact, by

860
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,800
that point they not only knew that Steele was lying,

861
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,719
they had fired him as a source. They had reason

862
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,599
to believe the sub sources were also not true. And

863
00:52:55,639 --> 00:52:57,119
then I just want to do a little note here,

864
00:52:57,119 --> 00:52:59,159
which is they go out of their way to not

865
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,880
interview the subs even though they know him, but they

866
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,239
finally do it, I think on January twenty eighth or

867
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,480
something like this. So after Trump is inaugurated, by the

868
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:12,880
point they interview him, they now realize, oh, it's all

869
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,679
made up, like it's all gossip. We'll call it gossip

870
00:53:15,679 --> 00:53:17,960
at innuendo, but really what it is is made up.

871
00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:21,119
And at that point, so back to how you do

872
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:23,840
intelligence at the beginning, which I liked how they explained it.

873
00:53:24,119 --> 00:53:26,360
You have to say what you know and what you

874
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,360
don't know. You have to be honest about weaknesses in

875
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:35,639
the intelligence. By January twenty seventeen, the FBI knows for

876
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:40,760
a fact that the Steele dossier is completely made up,

877
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:46,159
and they hide that for years, including by bringing on

878
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,000
the sub source as a confidential informant so that nobody

879
00:53:49,039 --> 00:53:55,599
can look into him. This is seditious conspiracy, it's criminal.

880
00:53:55,679 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 2: And when they describe Steel in the ICA, they just

881
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,400
him as an FBI source, which was false because they

882
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,280
knew that he had actually been fired two months prior

883
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,400
for lying about his leaks of the dossier, because the

884
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,440
little game he would do is he would give something

885
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,719
to the FBI and then he would go leak what

886
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,639
he gave the FBI to a media entity, and then

887
00:54:17,679 --> 00:54:20,280
the media entity would report it, and then the FBI

888
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,519
would take that and be like, hey, look, this media

889
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:25,480
reporting corroborates what you said. They actually put that stuff

890
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,880
in a PHISA warrant on carter page. So when they

891
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,559
find out about this, do they go back and do

892
00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:34,079
they modify their FISA warrants? No, they just leave him

893
00:54:34,119 --> 00:54:37,039
as is. Do they tell everyone, hey, guys, you can't

894
00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:40,119
talk to him anymore, we actually fired him because he's dishonest. Nope.

895
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:41,880
What they did is they said, you know what, we

896
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,920
should call him an FBI source in December of twenty

897
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,800
sixteen in this report, which is a total lie because

898
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,199
they'd actually fired him for being a dirty, unreliable liar.

899
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 1: There are little easter eggs in this document for those

900
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:03,280
of us who are unnatural involved in this Russia collusion.

901
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,760
Hoaks are discovering what's wrong with it. One of my

902
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,440
favorite was on page thirty nine, and it's a segue

903
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,559
to what I want to talk about about how the

904
00:55:12,679 --> 00:55:17,679
Hill handled this hoax. So on page thirty nine, it

905
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:22,320
notes that Brennan was briefing members of the Gang of

906
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:27,880
Eight about this fragment, this fragment which he takes and

907
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,880
just runs wild with it. He starts telling the Democrats

908
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,360
and the Gang of Eight that Russia prefers Trump.

909
00:55:34,679 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 2: He happens to.

910
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,280
Speaker 1: Already note that Hillary Clinton, like he claims to know

911
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,159
from the Russians, knowing that Hillary Clinton is running an

912
00:55:41,159 --> 00:55:45,639
operation to tie Trump and Russia together, So he already

913
00:55:45,639 --> 00:55:47,679
knows that that's Hillary Clinton's goal, and then he sort

914
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,199
of like manages to help with that goal by briefing

915
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:55,440
all these members of Congress that Russia prefers Trump. Okay,

916
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,800
there's a note here which says it was not possible

917
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,719
to determine if and provided the same details in each briefing.

918
00:56:03,039 --> 00:56:05,559
And it's so funny that it says that, because I

919
00:56:05,639 --> 00:56:08,039
was just thinking about this as I was reading Brennan's

920
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:11,000
book about how he briefed these people. He says, in

921
00:56:11,039 --> 00:56:13,159
early August he told all the Gang of Eight he

922
00:56:13,199 --> 00:56:15,079
wanted to meet with them, and then he says, like

923
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:17,719
some of them he couldn't meet with until late September.

924
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,760
It's like, oh, hm, so you briefed all your Democratic

925
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,800
buddies early, and he kept the Republican ones to the end,

926
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,159
so that the Democratic buddies like Harry Reid, who once

927
00:56:26,199 --> 00:56:29,440
he gets this briefing, he immediately writes a public letter

928
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,079
to Comy saying, I can't say what I know, but

929
00:56:32,119 --> 00:56:36,119
I'm deeply concerned about Trump's ties to Russia? Right, could

930
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:39,239
you please start an investigation? And then he says he

931
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,840
tells Mitch McConnell, and Mitch McConnell is like, huh, it

932
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,760
kind of sounds like something you would say if you

933
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:49,679
were trying to hurt Trump's election chances. Now. Good on

934
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,000
McConnell for figuring out what Brennan was doing. Bad on

935
00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:55,360
McConnell for being so bad on the Russia colusion hoax

936
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,599
in light of that. And then he says that he

937
00:56:57,679 --> 00:57:01,679
briefed Devin Nuness. And what we know about Devin Nunez

938
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,920
at this time September of twenty sixteen, is that he's,

939
00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:10,039
you know, the Republican leader on the House Permanent Select

940
00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:14,360
Committee on Intelligence, and he's mostly known for being an

941
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:19,280
absolutely obsessed Russia hawk. He thinks Russia is very very,

942
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,039
very very bad. He's also working on the Trump or

943
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:25,119
like he's a surrogate on the Trump campaign. And Brennan

944
00:57:25,159 --> 00:57:28,800
says that when he explained all this to Nunez that

945
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:34,400
Nuna's just like didn't respond. Isn't that weird that a

946
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,559
Russia hawk wouldn't care at all about what he was told,

947
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:41,239
or wouldn't ask for more details or things like that.

948
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,760
I've always kind of wondered was he actually given a

949
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:44,480
proper briefing?

950
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 2: You know?

951
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,199
Speaker 1: It could just be that Nuna's already knew Brennan was

952
00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:49,519
a complete Nutter liar, and so he just understood that

953
00:57:49,559 --> 00:57:52,079
anytime Brennan's meeting with you, it's part of an info op.

954
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,440
So the less you say, the better. That's actually a

955
00:57:54,559 --> 00:57:58,199
very reasonable inference. I just also wonder if with Harry

956
00:57:58,239 --> 00:58:01,559
Reid it's a strategy session, how do we help Hillary win?

957
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,000
And with Nounas, it's like, how do I claim that

958
00:58:04,039 --> 00:58:06,400
I'm briefing him without actually giving him any details?

959
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,719
Speaker 2: Or it could have been what the FBI did to Trump,

960
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,239
where you send in someone ostensibly to give him a

961
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,679
defensive briefing, and they're actually there to spy on Trump

962
00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:19,039
and write up reports on his reaction so that they

963
00:58:19,039 --> 00:58:23,159
can use that against him and investigations going forward. I mean,

964
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:28,800
it's the duplicity and dishonesty and corruption from these people

965
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,280
I think knows no bounds. And I know one thing

966
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,519
that a lot of people are frustrated about is they

967
00:58:34,599 --> 00:58:36,880
feel like they understand the whole story. They may not

968
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:39,119
enjoy the minutia of it in the way we do,

969
00:58:39,199 --> 00:58:41,599
because we followed it for so long. They believe they

970
00:58:41,679 --> 00:58:45,239
understand the overarching goal there. They know the narrative, they

971
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,480
know there was a coup against Trump. All they care

972
00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:49,760
about is people go into prison for it. And I

973
00:58:50,159 --> 00:58:52,360
think I'm there with them. I've been there for a

974
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,199
long time. Years ago, I said, if people don't go

975
00:58:54,239 --> 00:58:55,719
to prison for this, they're going to do it again,

976
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:57,480
and they're going to do it again, and they're going

977
00:58:57,519 --> 00:58:59,920
to do it again. And so at this point, I

978
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,119
think it's fascinating as it is, is vindicating as it

979
00:59:04,159 --> 00:59:06,199
is to learn these facts and that we were right

980
00:59:06,239 --> 00:59:09,079
about all of them from the beginning. Somebody has to

981
00:59:09,079 --> 00:59:11,639
go to prison. I would like somebodies to go to prison,

982
00:59:12,679 --> 00:59:15,840
whether it's a conspiracy charge, a sedition or a treason charge.

983
00:59:16,199 --> 00:59:19,039
What they did with seditious and treason is they took

984
00:59:19,079 --> 00:59:22,800
our government hostage. They orchestrated a coup against our elected government.

985
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,280
They crippled our nation, they crippled the presidency, they crippled

986
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:30,159
our foreign policy. It will have ramifications for generations in

987
00:59:30,199 --> 00:59:33,920
this country, and if nobody goes to prison for it,

988
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,199
it's going to happen again.

989
00:59:36,199 --> 00:59:39,119
Speaker 1: So I agree, But I want to say one thing

990
00:59:39,159 --> 00:59:43,639
about these recent documents, in particular, what we got from

991
00:59:43,679 --> 00:59:48,239
Tulci Yabbert's previous release, Ratcliffe's release of the analysis of

992
00:59:48,239 --> 00:59:54,679
the ICA, and then this Hipsie report really are substantially

993
00:59:54,719 --> 00:59:58,320
different than everything we've known prior. And so when people

994
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,440
are like, I just want people held accountable, well, I'm

995
01:00:01,519 --> 01:00:04,039
right there with you, okay, but it's actually hard to

996
01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:07,360
hold people accountable. All of these reports show that this

997
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,760
conspiracy was done in such a way as to basically

998
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,599
make it impossible to hold people accountable. And that's why

999
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:20,679
learning about what they did to further their seditious conspiracy

1000
01:00:21,039 --> 01:00:25,239
is helpful for possibly holding them accountable for what they did.

1001
01:00:25,679 --> 01:00:28,960
We now know that so many people were trying to

1002
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:33,000
do the right thing against the wishes of Komi and

1003
01:00:33,039 --> 01:00:37,159
Brennan and even and Clapper, we now know that while

1004
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:42,880
the media were conspiring with the people trying to do sedition,

1005
01:00:43,679 --> 01:00:46,719
that there were people on the inside who were being

1006
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:50,320
kept from Like one of the things that this talks about,

1007
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:51,639
and it gets into it at the end of the report,

1008
01:00:51,639 --> 01:00:56,079
page thirty nine and so on, is that Brennan compartmentalized information.

1009
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,559
He only had five people working on it, and then

1010
01:00:58,639 --> 01:01:01,440
even they didn't have access to all the information. I

1011
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,159
wrote a piece with Margot Cleveland this week showing that

1012
01:01:04,599 --> 01:01:08,960
when the top Russia House people went to Brennan and said,

1013
01:01:09,079 --> 01:01:13,960
we have no evidence to support this claim, he said,

1014
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:18,320
I have secret knowledge that you don't have. Okay, well,

1015
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:19,199
what are you going to do? Then?

1016
01:01:19,679 --> 01:01:20,239
Speaker 2: What do you do?

1017
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: What should those people have done? When people are like,

1018
01:01:23,039 --> 01:01:26,519
why weren't they bowling the whistle? More, well, what are

1019
01:01:26,519 --> 01:01:28,880
you supposed to do? You know? And then he defamed

1020
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:30,760
them in his book, and he defamed them in a

1021
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,880
letter from his attorney to John Durmy's like they didn't

1022
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:37,719
know what they were talking about. It's hard to bring

1023
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,639
down a criminal conspiracy that involves literally the head of

1024
01:01:40,639 --> 01:01:44,320
the CIA. It's hard. And so rather than getting discouraged

1025
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,039
at this time when we have better stuff than we've

1026
01:01:47,079 --> 01:01:50,079
ever had before. This is the time to put the

1027
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,440
foot on the pedal. And just as another way of

1028
01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:56,039
example of talking about this, I was rereading Horowitz's report.

1029
01:01:56,119 --> 01:01:59,119
Horowitz was who Barack Obama picked to be the Department

1030
01:01:59,159 --> 01:02:04,440
of Justice inspector general, and in general, inspector generals are

1031
01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:06,280
what I like to think of them as the HR

1032
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,559
department of a corporation. They may claim they're doing an

1033
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:12,760
investigation into the wrongdoing at the company, but really they're

1034
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,280
trying to just get out of it with the least

1035
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:20,360
amount of liability. And so when Horowitz discovers this horrific plot,

1036
01:02:20,639 --> 01:02:23,679
he does write a four hundred and thirty five page reporter,

1037
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,639
however long it was, and it does have a ton

1038
01:02:25,679 --> 01:02:29,119
of really interesting information, it's so dry. So when we

1039
01:02:29,159 --> 01:02:31,320
talk about what we just went through, like all of this,

1040
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,719
he sums it up this way. A few people at

1041
01:02:35,719 --> 01:02:42,800
the CIA expressed concern, but the analysis was overall good,

1042
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,039
Like that's the sum up of what we just talked about.

1043
01:02:45,239 --> 01:02:49,239
How are you supposed to press charges with that level

1044
01:02:49,239 --> 01:02:51,719
of information? Do you know what I'm saying? Like, what

1045
01:02:51,719 --> 01:02:54,199
are you supposed to do with that? And so people

1046
01:02:54,239 --> 01:02:56,679
should be very happy that this is out there, But

1047
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,400
I want to say, can we talk about to other

1048
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:01,239
things really quickly?

1049
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? Of course.

1050
01:03:02,519 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: Okay. One is the Senate Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

1051
01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:16,920
So as the Russia collusion hoax became undeniable, bitter clingers

1052
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,280
in the media and other parts of the Democrat Party

1053
01:03:19,639 --> 01:03:25,960
clung to this Senate report which said that Russia wanted

1054
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,480
to help Trump. It's like, if you say, oh my gosh,

1055
01:03:29,679 --> 01:03:32,320
we got the conspiracy here, they go, well, even Marco,

1056
01:03:32,519 --> 01:03:38,840
Rubio and Burr agree that Russia was trying to help Trump.

1057
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,760
And so you look at the report and they do

1058
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:46,679
say that, right, they do say that, and their substantiation

1059
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:55,800
is completely blacked out. I sure as heck hope that

1060
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,960
the Senate has something other than what we just went through,

1061
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:03,519
because if they were using this, and I think they

1062
01:04:03,559 --> 01:04:07,239
were to make that claim, holy crap, are they bad

1063
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,119
at their jobs. I mean, we already knew they were

1064
01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:10,880
bad at their jobs. They already seemed to care so

1065
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,239
much about being pipe artisan, and they didn't seem to

1066
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:18,280
have the testicular fortitude that a Devin Nunaz had, because

1067
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,519
like when Devin Nunez raised his head and said, I

1068
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:25,719
think they're weaponizing intelligence. They tried to take him out completely,

1069
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:30,480
sideline him completely. So did the Republicans in the Senate,

1070
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,199
who really just wanted to run for president someday, want

1071
01:04:33,199 --> 01:04:36,559
to go down with Devin Nunez like everyone else went down.

1072
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,000
It took so much courage, and I do say that

1073
01:04:40,039 --> 01:04:42,599
with personal experience that I know you understand so well

1074
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,199
to stand up against the hysteria of DC and it

1075
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,800
was courage that those Republicans on that committee never had.

1076
01:04:49,159 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 2: If they had it.

1077
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,559
Speaker 1: And there's something I don't know, I sure as heck

1078
01:04:52,639 --> 01:04:56,519
hope they say it right now. But until they do,

1079
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:01,199
this report from Hipsey makes the Senate Committee book so

1080
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:02,719
bad I can't even describe it.

1081
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 2: No, it makes them look like lapdogs, which has always

1082
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:10,119
been the impression that anyone in the know has about

1083
01:05:10,119 --> 01:05:13,880
the Senate Intel Committee. There's two ways to handle that committee.

1084
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:18,800
There's what Devin Nunez did, which was a historical aberration,

1085
01:05:19,519 --> 01:05:22,239
and that he actually used his authority to conduct real

1086
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:26,199
oversight on bad actors in the intel community. That never happens.

1087
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,039
What actually happens, which is model too for running an

1088
01:05:30,199 --> 01:05:34,679
Intel committee, is you work for the CIA. The CIA

1089
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:38,320
gives you intel it wants you to have, and sometimes

1090
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,119
it takes you on fun trips and it lets you

1091
01:05:41,199 --> 01:05:43,679
into the world of spycraft and makes you feel like

1092
01:05:43,719 --> 01:05:47,119
you're a Jason Bourne and you're really read into these

1093
01:05:47,159 --> 01:05:50,440
ops and it flatters them and flies them around and

1094
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,800
lies to them, and they all love it. The Senate

1095
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:56,159
Intel Committee traditionally is nothing but a vassal for the

1096
01:05:56,159 --> 01:06:01,280
intel community, particularly the CIA, and it's we have all

1097
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:05,320
assumed that for so long. To see it so out

1098
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,880
in the open. After reading this report and seeing what

1099
01:06:09,199 --> 01:06:11,559
they had put together on the Senate side, they should

1100
01:06:11,559 --> 01:06:14,719
all be embarrassed if they're still even capable of feeling shame.

1101
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: Amen. The other thing I wanted to mention is the

1102
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,079
role that the media played in this seditious conspiracy. And

1103
01:06:23,239 --> 01:06:25,199
I get the feeling that a lot of them are

1104
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,559
claiming that they got to take part in the seditious

1105
01:06:28,599 --> 01:06:31,239
conspiracy because they have a get out of jail free

1106
01:06:31,239 --> 01:06:34,639
card of claiming to be journalists. When we look at

1107
01:06:34,679 --> 01:06:37,159
what the media did, like all of the things that

1108
01:06:37,199 --> 01:06:40,519
were done here would not have mattered at all without

1109
01:06:40,519 --> 01:06:44,280
a Jake Tapper being willing to get on his knees

1110
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,519
in front of John Brennan, right, it just would not

1111
01:06:47,679 --> 01:06:54,480
have happened. So without the media, this hoax doesn't really work.

1112
01:06:55,239 --> 01:06:59,639
And they're all now claiming that this utterly explosive information

1113
01:06:59,679 --> 01:07:03,320
coming out is no big deal. Why because they are

1114
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:09,880
co conspirators in a seditious conspiracy to take out a

1115
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,039
duly elected government. If they were to cover it honestly,

1116
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:18,320
they would be admitting their role. And so when Margaret

1117
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,639
Brennan goes on TV and says, like, didn't Marco Rubio

1118
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:25,880
say that Russia helped Trump, she's not doing journalism. She's

1119
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,119
covering up for herself and for all of her buddies

1120
01:07:29,199 --> 01:07:32,320
who did this against the American people. And I think

1121
01:07:32,639 --> 01:07:35,480
creative legal minds, Oh, this is kind of related to

1122
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,559
what you're saying about being frustrated and just wanting people

1123
01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:40,360
in jail. It's a difficult thing to prosecute when people

1124
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,840
do this type of seditious conspiracy. Creative legal minds need

1125
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,039
to look into this, not just for how to hold

1126
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:52,079
these evil, evil people inside the government accountable, but also

1127
01:07:52,519 --> 01:07:55,760
the people who enabled it on the outside by pretending

1128
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,039
to do journalism. I think they have some legal exposure.

1129
01:07:59,159 --> 01:08:01,280
I think some people should look into it, and I

1130
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,119
think that every day that they cover it up by

1131
01:08:04,159 --> 01:08:07,920
downplaying it or ignoring it is further evidence in support

1132
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:08,519
of their role.

1133
01:08:09,239 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 2: Amen. I mean, if you read any history of coups

1134
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,840
around the globe, of coups in Third world countries, of

1135
01:08:18,399 --> 01:08:22,680
how intel agencies go and take over governments and takeover land,

1136
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:27,399
you see one common thing, especially in the less technologically

1137
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:31,000
developed nations, and it's that the first target they go

1138
01:08:31,159 --> 01:08:34,760
after and take over when running a coup is the

1139
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:38,079
local radio station. Number one. They are in the local

1140
01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:41,800
radio station immediately, and they immediately start broadcasting the new

1141
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,239
propaganda and telling people what they need to do and

1142
01:08:44,279 --> 01:08:47,760
what they need to hear. Our government operated in the

1143
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:52,560
exact same method here. They used our media the exact

1144
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:57,840
same way. These gorilla forces and warlords use the radio

1145
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,760
stations that they take over when running a coup in

1146
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,119
a country so they can take over their mining resources.

1147
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,840
Our media. These were not just dough wide babes in

1148
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,000
the woods. Oh, how was I to know that the

1149
01:09:09,039 --> 01:09:12,079
Steele dossier was fake? They were all in on it.

1150
01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:15,880
They all knew. They had motive, they had means, they

1151
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,600
had opportunity, they had guilty minds and You can even

1152
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,960
see it in how they are reacting now, which is

1153
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,560
either straight up lying about it or just pretending it

1154
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,560
doesn't happen. So yeah, I agree. Not only do bad

1155
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,000
government actors have to go to prison, there have to

1156
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,600
be legal consequences for people in the media who act

1157
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:36,760
as co conspirators in a seditious, treasonous conspiracy against the

1158
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,439
American people in the government they elected or ELM's going

1159
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:40,079
to happen again.

1160
01:09:40,279 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 1: And it's worth noting Brennan, Comy, Clapper, Obama, Biden, they're

1161
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:49,760
all out of government now, they're all gone, right, Jake

1162
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,920
Tapper is still there. And by the way, some of

1163
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,520
those people are now working with Jake Tapper or other

1164
01:09:55,880 --> 01:10:00,920
corrupt media entities. But the media are still the They're

1165
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:05,039
still running hoaxes every day because they have not been

1166
01:10:05,079 --> 01:10:09,119
held accountable for things like this. And we do need

1167
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:11,560
we do need a good media. That's why you and

1168
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:15,159
I do what we do to be reporting on what's

1169
01:10:15,159 --> 01:10:18,000
actually going on and what our government is doing. Our

1170
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:22,319
corrupt propaganda press is still in place and still running

1171
01:10:22,319 --> 01:10:25,720
hoaxes and nothing's been done to them. You can say, oh,

1172
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:29,399
they've lost they've lost their prestige yeah, they have. They

1173
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:32,600
still control so much of the information environment, and so

1174
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:37,520
as people want accountability for Comy and Brennan and they

1175
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,640
should be held accountable. What about the people who are

1176
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:45,039
still operating and will still interfere in the next election

1177
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:46,960
through their shoddy reporting.

1178
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:50,319
Speaker 2: Yep, let's hope accountabilities coming.

1179
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:57,159
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you so much for this special emergency emergency episode,

1180
01:10:57,359 --> 01:10:59,560
and we'll have much more to cover on this. I

1181
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,439
do to just say at the Federalist, we have already

1182
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:07,640
prior to today, had some absolutely explosive exclusive reporting on the

1183
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,319
most recent revelations, and we will continue to be covering

1184
01:11:10,319 --> 01:11:13,000
it every day. You can trust us because we were

1185
01:11:13,039 --> 01:11:15,640
on top of it during the Russia collusion hoax. You

1186
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:19,319
cannot trust the Washington Post, The New York Times, CNN, ABC,

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NBC or any of the other outlets that participated in

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the hoax to tell you about the quality of the

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information we're getting now, but you can trust us. So

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be lovers of freedom and anxious for the Fray. And

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if you have any questions or comments, please feel free

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to email us at radio at the Federalists dot com.