Speaker 1: You're listening to Sorry for Asking.
Speaker 2: Sorry for asking. I'm Cole Connor.
Speaker 3: And I'm Adam Ramsey. This is where we talk, shop,
Speaker 3: ask questions.
Speaker 2: Tell stories, and laugh some laughs about being creators.
Speaker 3: As well as consumers of adult content. We love watching too,
Speaker 3: We certainly do.
Speaker 2: We also discussed the impact adult films have had on us,
Speaker 2: on our guests, and on the LGBTQ community.
Speaker 1: So strap on and strap in.
Speaker 2: And here we go.
Speaker 3: Yay, Hi, we're back, and I'm Adam Ramsey. Welcome back
Speaker 3: to Sorry for asking. Hi, Hey, what's Up's that? We
Speaker 3: are well into season four. It's very good to see you.
Speaker 2: We had to schedule. We did an emergency cast. This
Speaker 2: this is the emergency podcast because someone.
Speaker 3: Was in town. Yes, we had to have him back. Yes,
Speaker 3: it's a returning guest. I think this is our third
Speaker 3: ever returning guest on this program.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's only our third, only our third.
Speaker 1: Please welcome to the show, everybody. Derek Cae.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hello.
Speaker 1: The voice is bad.
Speaker 2: It was like the fastest introduction that we have done.
Speaker 2: It was like no catch up time.
Speaker 1: I mean you, that was all that was all you,
Speaker 1: that was all you. Nobody cares about us.
Speaker 2: I know well. I mean we didn't have to go
Speaker 2: into it. I got a jabber for a little bit.
Speaker 1: You know, you can jabber with Derek. How about that you.
Speaker 2: Can sit with us.
Speaker 1: I can't, Derek. We're so excited to have you back.
Speaker 3: It just made sense. He you know, you're in and
Speaker 3: out of town. We haven't had Derek on in almost
Speaker 3: two years at this point, which is crazy to me.
Speaker 3: I was catching up on the last episode and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, this was two years ago
Speaker 3: and a lot has happened since then. Wow, before we
Speaker 3: get started, I have one question. Are you caged right now? No?
Speaker 1: Okay, just checking. I have it with me though. You
Speaker 1: do show us well.
Speaker 2: I don't think i've ever like hell, wow, really?
Speaker 1: Oh it's black too? Why is it? Why has it
Speaker 1: got to be black? Derek?
Speaker 2: I just pulled it apart.
Speaker 1: It's it's supposed to do that.
Speaker 2: Hold on obviously I never held one before. And then
Speaker 2: the thing goes in.
Speaker 4: It's basically a cock ring. Yeah, okay, goes over the
Speaker 4: top of the cock just right here.
Speaker 3: You guys, you see, yeah, I mean your dick fits
Speaker 3: in this. This look, this looks like the head of
Speaker 3: your dick barely fits in this.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's supposed to be solved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he gets hard, I know.
Speaker 2: But you can squish your dick into anything.
Speaker 1: Noth Oh that's right.
Speaker 3: I do know this about you because one thing you
Speaker 3: and I have done since we recorded was we film
Speaker 3: the scene together.
Speaker 1: We filmed a wonderful collaboration.
Speaker 3: It was really great. Yes, where you were, my little
Speaker 3: fucking bitch ass bottom. I still have not had the
Speaker 3: pleasure of taking your massive tool myself, but you know,
Speaker 3: one day, let's.
Speaker 1: Roll, buddy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so you're not cage because I know we
Speaker 3: talked about it a little bit. I'm still fascinated by this.
Speaker 3: I haven't done it myself. That winter for our Christmas
Speaker 3: gift exchange. Remember, somebody put it in the White Elephant
Speaker 3: gift exchange and I might have even received it. And
Speaker 3: I think I regifted it.
Speaker 2: I give it that sure, please give me.
Speaker 1: I was about to say, if you're not really into
Speaker 1: it a gift of it's probably not going to go
Speaker 1: over too Yeah, but no, I love it. So you
Speaker 1: still use it? Oh yeah, all the.
Speaker 3: Time, all the time.
Speaker 1: I kind of prefer it now whenever I bottom for
Speaker 1: a collaboration. If I don't have to.
Speaker 4: If it's not going to be versatile, I kind of
Speaker 4: push for it into my scenes.
Speaker 1: I do, well, do you not come when you bought him?
Speaker 1: It takes a lot.
Speaker 4: It's very like flabored effort to make me come when
Speaker 4: I bought him. If I'm not like actively stroking right,
Speaker 4: it's right.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think that's most people.
Speaker 1: But I don't get since I don't get hard.
Speaker 3: Yes, not everybody has the gift that you do Cole Connor,
Speaker 3: where like the minute a dick is up his ass,
Speaker 3: he's just hard as a rocket, ready to ready to
Speaker 3: rock rockets. We're different, bless Yeah, all we are all
Speaker 3: gifted in different ways, as evidenced by this information.
Speaker 2: Gosh, so you won a few awards, just a few,
Speaker 2: just a few. You are Michelle Ying Michelle.
Speaker 3: Yode all over the awards seasons, I think two years
Speaker 3: in a row.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the twenty four.
Speaker 3: Season, I feel like you won everything I did. Tell
Speaker 3: us a little bit about that. Tell us, tell us
Speaker 3: about that experience.
Speaker 4: I mean, going into the award season, I definitely was like,
Speaker 4: I feel like I've got a shot.
Speaker 1: Because the movie Overdrive for Raging Stallion had come out.
Speaker 2: That was peak that was like my rider dive from
Speaker 2: the year before exactly.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it was kind of And people had been
Speaker 4: telling me, they were like, you're a shoe in, but.
Speaker 2: You're always like You're like, I don't know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't want to jink, So yeah, I don't want
Speaker 4: to and I don't want to get my hopes up either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'm definitely like.
Speaker 2: It's just nice to be nominated.
Speaker 1: You know, not to mention.
Speaker 3: I feel like Falcon and Raging Stallion. They always have
Speaker 3: like those, like they have like a handful of projects
Speaker 3: every year where they put a lot of financial muscle
Speaker 3: behind it, a lot of marketing muscle, and usually it
Speaker 3: ends up being no pun intended a vehicle for one
Speaker 3: of their biggest performers, Overdrive, was that for you tell
Speaker 3: us a little about the plot of Overdrive.
Speaker 4: So I am a psychotic ride share driver and so
Speaker 4: Ben Rush I think we.
Speaker 1: All know Ben Rush.
Speaker 4: He wrote it. He wrote it with me in mind,
Speaker 4: and I'm kind of like, thanks, what is that? Yeah,
Speaker 4: I was like, do I need to talk to my therapist?
Speaker 4: But he wrote it with me in mind, and because
Speaker 4: he knew that I could play a very serious pert
Speaker 4: Like if I needed to, I could think just like
Speaker 4: very you know, no emotion, no you know, thoughts behind
Speaker 4: my head except just fucking kill kind of thing. And
Speaker 4: so he wrote that role for me. I pick up
Speaker 4: Paul Wagner, who's my like, who's the co star of Overdrive,
Speaker 4: And he's bragging about, oh, I just got back from
Speaker 4: Spain and I just fucked a bunch of people, and
Speaker 4: I was like, oh yeah, skirt like pull up into
Speaker 4: a garage and I'm like, let's go, let's roll. And
Speaker 4: like we had this wonderful flip scene and from there,
Speaker 4: like he doesn't answer my text, he doesn't respond to me,
Speaker 4: and so I go on a murderous rampage.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, it's like the lady scorned, like that projection,
Speaker 3: just projecting your anger. Yeah, it really was.
Speaker 4: Like my next scene was with Danny I think his
Speaker 4: last name is Danny Steele, Danny Starr.
Speaker 3: That's Dan Star.
Speaker 1: Oh Danny Starr.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he was the second scene, and like it
Speaker 4: was a kind of an anonymous type thing at first,
Speaker 4: and then I realized it's not Paul Wagner who I
Speaker 4: was wanting to go and kill, and instead I like, okay,
Speaker 4: let's fuck and then let me kill you in.
Speaker 3: Anyways, So you kill people in this movie?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is like it's a choice for
Speaker 2: porn to like have death in a porn.
Speaker 3: Yes, I've never killed in a porn. I have been
Speaker 3: killed several times, though.
Speaker 2: I've never been killed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's okay. I mean I get usually like
Speaker 3: the last few years, I've been kind of typecast for
Speaker 3: being like, you know, a little bit psycho or crazy
Speaker 3: or mean.
Speaker 1: Can we both look at the camera real quick and
Speaker 1: give us our meanest.
Speaker 3: Faces YouTube cold Connor, although I yeah, ready and go, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's our resting bitch faces.
Speaker 1: Cool, you don't have that. It's just like, was it
Speaker 1: fun to play somebody so dirty and mean? It was? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 4: Even when I was having sex for the scenes, I
Speaker 4: stayed in character. Yes, I say it's psychotic as I
Speaker 4: was having sex.
Speaker 1: This is different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah it was fantastic. And honestly, when so
Speaker 4: I won Gavian Best Actor for that, and like leading
Speaker 4: up to it, people were like, yeah, yeah, they were
Speaker 4: like gay Vian. Even they did a I guess like
Speaker 4: a press release for the movie and they said I
Speaker 4: was erotic. Yet oh god, what was the word they used.
Speaker 1: Damn it.
Speaker 4: I can't think of it, but it was basically like psychotic,
Speaker 4: but erotic, psychotic, erotic.
Speaker 1: Psychotic, erotic. That's gonna be mine.
Speaker 2: Sounds like a.
Speaker 3: Lady, Yeah, yeah, Well, congratulations. What were all the awards
Speaker 3: you won? Or have even?
Speaker 1: Can you think of all the awards you have won? Since?
Speaker 1: I can't can so ex Biz Gay Performer of the
Speaker 1: Year amazing twice.
Speaker 3: Now twice in a row. So you went from Michelle
Speaker 3: Yo to Tom Hanks.
Speaker 4: Cool, Okay, that's never been done before. Wow, performers won
Speaker 4: rat twice and so I was like, okay, record holder,
Speaker 4: record breaker, whatever you want to call that. I was like,
Speaker 4: that's pretty fucking cool. Gave you inn Best Newcomer and
Speaker 4: Best Actor in the same year, which had never been
Speaker 4: done before, and then Grabby's Best Duo, Best Actor Performer
Speaker 4: of the Year, and just for fans.
Speaker 3: All in the same year, all in the same year.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 3: So you went from Tom Hanks to like Lauren Hill
Speaker 3: where you're like holding a bunch of all these awards
Speaker 3: on the press carpet.
Speaker 4: Wow, there is a picture of me because I was
Speaker 4: crying after gave in. I lost it after I won,
Speaker 4: you know those an Overdrive one Best Feature for gave En,
Speaker 4: so it was just like a clean sweep for Overdrive.
Speaker 4: Paul Wagner got Best Supporting Actor for Pace, so it
Speaker 4: was a clean sweep. And as I'm like, I'm holding
Speaker 4: three awards because Ben Rush or oh no it was
Speaker 4: a Toby, let me hold the Best Feature award. So
Speaker 4: I literally do have a picture like crying, like the
Speaker 4: three massive gave in awards, and.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is That's so cool?
Speaker 3: It was completely for me.
Speaker 2: What a moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, congratulations. Did you ever see this happening? I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, in the catch up that I had this morning,
Speaker 3: I was like, Wow, this is somebody who is like
Speaker 3: just coming into his career, coming out of a really
Speaker 3: dark period, and like just kind of being like I
Speaker 3: feel really refreshed, I feel really ready, I feel invigorated,
Speaker 3: and like, look at all that's happened. That's so crazy.
Speaker 3: I never expected it would happen. I really did not.
Speaker 4: I kind of look back on it now and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: whenever anybody says, hey can you make a scene today,
Speaker 4: like last minute, I'm like, yeah, let's go do it.
Speaker 4: And so I just I never thought about it because
Speaker 4: it just comes naturally to me, and I guess that's
Speaker 4: why I've done so well. Is Yeah, it's like this
Speaker 4: is natural.
Speaker 2: When you get the opportunities, you're ready for them. Yes,
Speaker 2: like you're always tested. Do you do that membership with clear?
Speaker 1: So I still use talent testing?
Speaker 3: Is there?
Speaker 2: Do they have a membership?
Speaker 4: No, it's just that you pay by It's just by testing.
Speaker 4: But the reason why is some studios will actually pay
Speaker 4: for my testing still Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sometimes I'll be like, oh, here's my talent testing
Speaker 1: this much.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so you get them to reimburse you for it.
Speaker 4: Okay, but they wouldn't pay for a month membership because
Speaker 4: it's like four hundred dollars, right, I wouldn't pay for that,
Speaker 4: but they'll pay for the individual test Okay.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been like thinking about it because I'm like,
Speaker 2: I haven't been that focused on doing studio work lately,
Speaker 2: but I was like, if they know that you're ready,
Speaker 2: then they'll be like if they need somebody last minute,
Speaker 2: then they'll then they'll hit you up.
Speaker 4: I've kind of become that guy in Vegas because like
Speaker 4: the amount of scenes I've gotten recently of just like
Speaker 4: day of Yeah, the studio calling me, hey, are you available,
Speaker 4: like I'm testing.
Speaker 1: That was me in San Francisco and I lived there.
Speaker 3: It was just like anytime they needed somebody last minute,
Speaker 3: I'd be like, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Live down the street.
Speaker 2: Sure, it's fantastic, Well, porn hack.
Speaker 3: What else? Well, aside from that, I mean I have
Speaker 3: some answers for this. I'm sure Cole does too, But
Speaker 3: what else besides the reliability of being available? You attribute
Speaker 3: longevity and success in an industry like this for a
Speaker 3: person like yourself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot. Honestly, Professionalism I think is number one.
Speaker 4: Like when I show up on a set, I'm happy
Speaker 4: to be there. I'm kind to everybody, Like I'll walk
Speaker 4: in and I like, I'm like, hey, guys, how's it going.
Speaker 4: We're ready to make the fucking porn today. And it's
Speaker 4: just I.
Speaker 3: Mean, you don't just look at your phone the whole
Speaker 3: time and roll your eyes when everyone tries to talk
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 1: Get out of here, okay, okay, cool. I'm kind of
Speaker 1: the one, like different, a different approach. I'm kind of
Speaker 1: the one.
Speaker 4: On the gay side because I've been venturing into all sides.
Speaker 1: Now we're going to really get into that.
Speaker 4: On the gay side, I definitely am the one that's
Speaker 4: like with my scene partner, I'm kind of like going
Speaker 4: to keep this going, like even when cameras are off,
Speaker 4: you like have a little fun. Like I am that
Speaker 4: guy on set. So unless it's like a no, I
Speaker 4: don't want to do this, I am going to be Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you mean like after the scene or do you
Speaker 1: mean it in between takes.
Speaker 4: Between takestching everything kind of going well, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Mean like that's how you hold.
Speaker 2: I think that's like number one gets you through the
Speaker 2: day faster because then they are like then there's like
Speaker 2: not as many breaks. You're like you're just keeping each
Speaker 2: other turned on, like keeping each other going.
Speaker 1: There's been a couple of scenes that I've been in
Speaker 1: where like they were holding for us and because we're
Speaker 1: like getting it on exactly where we're supposed to be,
Speaker 1: and they're like, are you guys ready, And I'm like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we've been ready the cameras.
Speaker 3: Has there ever been a time when a director has
Speaker 3: been like okay, okay, like hold it for the scene please? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Actually yeah, it has been because it's like I'll get
Speaker 4: riled up, but I know how to like control.
Speaker 2: I can't control.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm like, at this point, y'all, you'll know me.
Speaker 4: I'm just having fun over here. But you know, being professional,
Speaker 4: being kind, and another thing is actually doing what the
Speaker 4: director wants, like within your boundaries and within what you're
Speaker 4: comfortable to do. But like if the director says, hey,
Speaker 4: I'd really love to see this, and it's within your boundaries,
Speaker 4: being like, yeah, let's roll, let's do it. I've been
Speaker 4: on sets before where directors have said, hey, let's let's
Speaker 4: try and do this and the person be.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't really want to do that, Like I
Speaker 1: don't really like.
Speaker 4: That, and it's like, okay, let's try something different. But
Speaker 4: like with me, I'm kind of like, all right, let's
Speaker 4: make it work. Yes and yeah, yes, exactly. Improv come on, yeah?
Speaker 3: Cool. I love that your response to that was improv
Speaker 3: and ariana Grande, which is what most people in the
Speaker 3: community these days would say after I say yes, and
Speaker 3: I've been saying yes and for years and it's an
Speaker 3: improv thing. But she co opted it. She said that a.
Speaker 1: Fun little way. Now I love her. Whatever, but cool.
Speaker 3: You know a lot of those guests we've been having
Speaker 3: lately I feel like a lot of their work has
Speaker 3: been mostly their own content. Would you say you are
Speaker 3: mostly working on studio work still or do you focus
Speaker 3: more on your personal content?
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sures do video. Yeah, I'm you're a studio star.
Speaker 1: I'm a studio bitch. That's great.
Speaker 3: Like just last week I had five studios.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: And a collaboration you always, yeah, because.
Speaker 2: You're always like whenever we talked about like some shoots,
Speaker 2: lined up, some studio ones and we changed this one
Speaker 2: we were supposed to.
Speaker 1: Yes, right, yes we accommodated his schedule.
Speaker 3: No, not at all.
Speaker 2: I was going to say. I was like, it's always
Speaker 2: raining now, like what very rainy? Like next fire season.
Speaker 2: They need to be like get Adam and Colin the studio,
Speaker 2: like yeah, make.
Speaker 3: It rain right, yeah, making it just making it so wet.
Speaker 2: So wet. This wedding wedding Los Angeles.
Speaker 3: Well, one of the big things that you've done since
Speaker 3: we last had you on, which is probably definitely contributing
Speaker 3: to your busied schedule, is the fact that you moved
Speaker 3: from Salt Lake City or from outside Salt Lake City
Speaker 3: to Las Vegas.
Speaker 4: Yes, how has that move been? It was the smartest
Speaker 4: move I could have made. When when July last year,
Speaker 4: you know, moving to the in the middle of the
Speaker 4: desert in July, I was like, wow, such a choice.
Speaker 4: But it all worked out. I was able to get
Speaker 4: a renter for my place that I have in Utah.
Speaker 4: Oh you still own that place?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a winter.
Speaker 4: I got a renter, and then the very next day
Speaker 4: I got approved from my apartment in Vegas, and so
Speaker 4: it was like, oh shit, we gotta go. And so
Speaker 4: what's funny is I was in Prague at the time
Speaker 4: because I even film internationally now like before when I
Speaker 4: was on the podcast before, I hadn't really done anything international.
Speaker 4: Now I'm doing a lot of international as well. So
Speaker 4: I was in Prague and I was supposed to be
Speaker 4: there for another week, but I was like, oh fuck,
Speaker 4: I gotta go. Like I was with Sofia, like my
Speaker 4: you know, my work wife, Yeah, close friend Sophia, she
Speaker 4: she was there. But yeah, So I moved to Vegas.
Speaker 4: And that was the smartest move because now it's oh,
Speaker 4: you're in town, You're in Vegas. A lot of the
Speaker 4: studios have moved there straight by Gay trans all of
Speaker 4: them have moved there. And so last minute is it's
Speaker 4: it's honestly a last minute kind of thing where almost
Speaker 4: every other day I get a call like, hey, are
Speaker 4: you available? And that's how it was the smartest thing
Speaker 4: I could have done.
Speaker 3: So you're reliable, you're local, and in essence, I guess
Speaker 3: that makes you like rather affordable too, Like you could
Speaker 3: probably demand more because they're not spending on hotels and flights, right,
Speaker 3: not really, no, no, okay, so then I guess that's
Speaker 3: what makes you affordable.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah.
Speaker 4: I actually I discussed it with someone that's in the
Speaker 4: casting realm, and I kind of was like, you know,
Speaker 4: it was like, I feel like I because I just
Speaker 4: won all these fucking awards. I was like, Okay, I
Speaker 4: feel like I should, you know, maybe ask for a
Speaker 4: little bump your rate.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But then the person I talked to, they were actually like,
Speaker 4: you don't want to price yourself out.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, so you don't want to get big
Speaker 3: for your breches.
Speaker 4: Right, So, my my gay rate is a little higher
Speaker 4: than like the standard, but it's not to the point
Speaker 4: to where I don't get regular bookings. Because I asked
Speaker 4: if I raised it up a little more, if they
Speaker 4: would hire me as much, and they were like, this
Speaker 4: just one studio I love to work for, and they
Speaker 4: were kind of like, m, you probably wouldn't get as
Speaker 4: much if you raise your rate again. So I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'd rather have more work and less pay than less
Speaker 4: work and more pay.
Speaker 3: Wow you hear that, ladies, naim he's humble too. It's amazing.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, I'm just here for the work.
Speaker 2: No, it's yeah. I mean the awards can give you
Speaker 2: a false sense of security that like you. It's not
Speaker 2: a golden globe. It's not. Yeah, I've said it before.
Speaker 2: Neither the gaban or a grabby make up the g
Speaker 2: and an egot.
Speaker 1: That's fun.
Speaker 2: They just don't won't get you an yeah even with
Speaker 2: an em.
Speaker 3: You're cool, yeacht.
Speaker 1: So it brings you to LA.
Speaker 4: This week it was all studio work, podcasts and a
Speaker 4: collaboration with a cisgender female. Huh yes, really big on
Speaker 4: the straight side. She actually just hosted the Avian Awards.
Speaker 1: What is her name?
Speaker 4: Blake Blossom, Blake blossoms stunning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that could be like a good boy porn name too.
Speaker 2: Blake like a fisting bottom, like.
Speaker 1: A rose bud.
Speaker 2: Blossom, so bud blossom. Oh, my god, I got to
Speaker 2: write that down.
Speaker 1: I have a question about this, bud Blossom.
Speaker 5: Actually that's buddy, Buddy Blossom, just spitballing here, yes and
Speaker 5: yes and well so okay, so yeah, this was something
Speaker 5: I think you were starting to just consider when we
Speaker 5: last had you on the show.
Speaker 3: And you've really gone far into this, and I love
Speaker 3: how outspoken you are on your social media about the
Speaker 3: fact that you still identify very much as a gay
Speaker 3: adult film performer, a gay man.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, very gay.
Speaker 3: You're so good at it, and you're foray into working
Speaker 3: with cisgender females. First we'll get into how it's.
Speaker 1: Been for you.
Speaker 3: But I'm really curious in the straight world do they
Speaker 3: refer to you as like gay performer who's coming on
Speaker 3: to the straight side. Are you just another one of
Speaker 3: the bucks in the wings? Because I feel like straight
Speaker 3: guys are in the straight industry are just kind of
Speaker 3: like often seen as props, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It can be that, Okay, it very well can be.
Speaker 1: Tell me about that a little bit about what that
Speaker 1: experience has been like.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've loved it. I've really loved the experience overall.
Speaker 4: I've never had a negative experience on set on the
Speaker 4: straight side by or trans Okay, like there's sometimes I
Speaker 4: am just a prop.
Speaker 1: I did this studio. I worked for the studio called
Speaker 1: Team Skeet. I've ever heard of them. You watched straight porn?
Speaker 1: Yeah you do, you might have heard.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm sure where it was strictly a point of
Speaker 4: view from my point of view on the girl, and
Speaker 4: I literally was just like there, you know, being pole that's.
Speaker 3: All I want.
Speaker 2: But I don't want Yeah, I don't watch POV stuff.
Speaker 2: I usually I mean I watched like Double Penetration, straightborn. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like that's pretty much.
Speaker 1: He likes two guys and a girl. He has his
Speaker 1: own Now do you know about this?
Speaker 3: M ms mondays, I've been listening to I've been listening
Speaker 3: to it since you're the best, like a super fan
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 1: Amazing. They don't refer to me as like the gay dude.
Speaker 1: They don't.
Speaker 4: They're just like, yeah, that's what I was curious about, Like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: they don't, because like when I show up even on
Speaker 4: straight sets, I'm like, hey, guys, how's it going? Like
Speaker 4: glad to be here, Happy to be here, And the
Speaker 4: only thing that's really different that I've noticed is the
Speaker 4: like catering to the women on the straight side because
Speaker 4: they are the ones that you know, the people that
Speaker 4: are paying, are paying to see sure, and so like
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: Unless it's.
Speaker 1: Even on the street side.
Speaker 4: Though, like I make I make less per scene just
Speaker 4: because I sometimes I am just the pole, like that's
Speaker 4: all I am.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm totally fine with them, Like you want to,
Speaker 1: are you?
Speaker 3: I mean, is that is that enjoyable for you? What
Speaker 3: is it that you enjoy about it? Just to give
Speaker 3: our audience as a sense as a performer.
Speaker 4: I love one. I love being on set. I love
Speaker 4: you know, being there. I just got signed to a
Speaker 4: modeling a modeling agency for the straight Side, okay, and
Speaker 4: they're starting to pick me up for more and more
Speaker 4: and more, and I'm like just the feeling of like, hey,
Speaker 4: we've booked you for a scene. I'm like, yes, it's
Speaker 4: just a it's a natural high. Like I get just
Speaker 4: excited about it no matter what it is. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: let's fucking do this. And when it comes to being
Speaker 4: on the straight side, I've found that there's a lot
Speaker 4: more when it comes to working with the women, you know,
Speaker 4: Like when it comes.
Speaker 3: To gay guys.
Speaker 4: You know, I if I look at you for three
Speaker 4: seconds like this, it's like all right, game on.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's it's like same with you, it'd be like all right,
Speaker 4: let's do this. But with women you've got to kind
Speaker 4: of walk in there and be careful. You can't just
Speaker 4: walk in and be like, hey, you ready to fuck?
Speaker 3: You know it's yeah.
Speaker 2: But then do you think they're a little i don't know,
Speaker 2: like more easy with you because they know that you're
Speaker 2: not really like gonna pursue them after Like I would
Speaker 2: think I would think it'd be kind of like a
Speaker 2: relief for the girl.
Speaker 3: Well wait, but before we get into that, like, tell
Speaker 3: me what you mean exactly what do you mean by
Speaker 3: be careful with the female performer?
Speaker 1: What do you have to do or not?
Speaker 3: Do?
Speaker 4: You have to be extremely respectful? Okay, you can't treat
Speaker 4: them like you're just there to fuck them. I mean
Speaker 4: some girls are like that, but they will let you know,
Speaker 4: like you a guy, especially you know, sister and your
Speaker 4: male cannot roll up into a set and expect to
Speaker 4: be the big dog there like it is. It is
Speaker 4: definitely female focused, female centric, and they are the ones
Speaker 4: that are to be respected as well as the ones
Speaker 4: that you know, when I walk on a set and
Speaker 4: I meet especially if I meet a girl for the
Speaker 4: first time, I'm like, I introduce myself, I shake her hand,
Speaker 4: I'm like, or you know, if she's cool with it,
Speaker 4: I'm like, Hi, nice to meet you. I'm Derek, and
Speaker 4: then I let her run the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So like not even a hug right away, no show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wouldn't even go up for a hug ut
Speaker 4: less they were like unless I was like, do you
Speaker 4: do hugs? Like, I'm happy to hug, but it's definitely
Speaker 4: I roll in and I let them call the shots.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is fascinating to me because couldn't you
Speaker 3: say the same about the gay side of things, Like
Speaker 3: isn't it always roll in and be respectful of your
Speaker 3: scene partners?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think there's a higher tolerance. There's a
Speaker 2: higher tolerance for like space, Like if I didn't get
Speaker 2: a hug from my scene partner when I fucking met them,
Speaker 2: I mean, if I didn't know them already, even like
Speaker 2: give me a hug like we're about to fuck, Like.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that on the show.
Speaker 3: Okay, So maybe you're saying it's a different way of
Speaker 3: displaying respect for your scene partner.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I see, I've been on some sets before
Speaker 4: where like it was for a chaosman shoot I think,
Speaker 4: and my scene partner, I'd never met him before, didn't
Speaker 4: really know who he was. I was already there. He
Speaker 4: shows up, he walks through the door. We took one
Speaker 4: look look at each other, and we just started making out.
Speaker 4: We did not even say hello to each other. We
Speaker 4: just like looked.
Speaker 1: At him before I had never hot, and like I
Speaker 1: looked at him and I was just like, come here,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be fine. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: That's the thing like that our response to that is
Speaker 2: like you never met them before hot, like sure, like
Speaker 2: man a girl like a girl would think like, oh
Speaker 2: kind of scary maybe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's there, there's a barrier there that it's
Speaker 4: when it comes to respect of the females. It's definitely
Speaker 4: one of like I'm gonna let you call the shots here.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be the one that walks up in
Speaker 4: there and says, hey, let's fuck, let's do this. You
Speaker 4: know you're gonna do what I want to do kind
Speaker 4: of thing. Absolutely not, And even you know, like when
Speaker 4: I met that guy, for the first time I started
Speaker 4: making out. I cannot see that happening on a straight
Speaker 4: set mm hmm, and could not see that happening.
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Speaker 3: doctor Josh. Oh my god, wait, I did something crazy,
Speaker 3: just non sequitor. I went to doctor Gonzalez last week
Speaker 3: for something very new. I did dick botox. You guys, oh,
Speaker 3: Dick botox. Yes. Troy Daniels messaged me and he was like, hey,
Speaker 3: my friend is doing this thing. Have you heard about it?
Speaker 3: Can you talk to doctor Gonzalez about it? And I
Speaker 3: was like what is it?
Speaker 1: And he was like, it's dick botox and I was like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck does that mean? Because I've heard of
Speaker 1: scrow talks.
Speaker 3: I just realized I'm telling the world what I did
Speaker 3: recently privately with my eurologists.
Speaker 2: I mean so, but it could take it could enlighten
Speaker 2: some people. Yes, yes, that helped sex.
Speaker 3: So I reached doctor Zalez. I was like, what do
Speaker 3: you think about this? And he was like, well, it's
Speaker 3: kind of like a new thing, but people do come
Speaker 3: in and do it. I was like, first of all,
Speaker 3: is there any chance this could be bad? Is there
Speaker 3: any chance this could have negative side effects? And he
Speaker 3: was like not at all. It's slightly costly, but like
Speaker 3: you know, but you know, you can choose your level
Speaker 3: how much you do, the more the merrier. Essentially, what
Speaker 3: it is is kind of like in the same area
Speaker 3: of the dick where you shoot bi mix or CRIMEX
Speaker 3: and like you know, ten and two in the corpus cavernosa,
Speaker 3: as he told us, on each side, you do twenty
Speaker 3: five to fifty units of botox and it's essentially putting
Speaker 3: in botox and the soft tissue of the penis so
Speaker 3: that it hangs a little better theoretically and also makes
Speaker 3: it relaxed enough so that it encourages easier blood flow.
Speaker 2: Oh that makes sense, yes, yeah, because if it's like
Speaker 2: if it encourages better hanging, yes, then like yeah, because
Speaker 2: you know what you know, when you're like you've just
Speaker 2: had sex and you've come and like you're still kind
Speaker 2: of like swing in that Yeah, yeah, yes, we got that.
Speaker 3: Like I call it spa dick spot, like when you're
Speaker 3: walking around the spa because you're like you've been in
Speaker 3: hot tubs and saunas. You're just like swinging around like
Speaker 3: a fucking boxwhere Yeah, so yeah it has. He said,
Speaker 3: wait two weeks to see the full benefits, but like
Speaker 3: I'm kind of already like noticing.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, I'm ready. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2: Yeah the dick's man, I can't imagine you need that
Speaker 2: much though, like that much what anybody needs? Like, it
Speaker 2: can't be it's one hundred units, one hundred units fifty
Speaker 2: on each side.
Speaker 1: She said, you could do twenty five on each side,
Speaker 1: but it won't be as effective. Are we talking about
Speaker 1: like syringe units?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a lot of
Speaker 3: bill tucks. That's a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know the it's.
Speaker 2: On your face.
Speaker 1: You're like, I don't do that. I don't need it.
Speaker 1: See I got the full full range of motion in
Speaker 1: those eyebrows.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if the yeah, what the levels are?
Speaker 3: So here we are just plugging more doctor Gonzalez work.
Speaker 3: If anybody needs looking up.
Speaker 1: I have something very special as well that I recently did.
Speaker 1: That's right, tell us about that. Yes, yes, doctor Gonzalez
Speaker 1: performed my vasectomy.
Speaker 4: Wow. Yes, So the reason I got the visectomy was
Speaker 4: I'd performed with two women and I'd also performed with
Speaker 4: a transgender man that was not on birth control.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: And the possibility for conception is there, yes, no matter
Speaker 4: what you do, Like, it's the possibilities there.
Speaker 1: If I may cut in, you have mentioned to me
Speaker 1: before that apparently it's kind of like a staggering amount
Speaker 1: of women in the industry are not on birth control.
Speaker 1: Is that correct? Correct?
Speaker 3: That's crazy?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but go ahead, well just just like to caveat that,
Speaker 4: like birth control can really negatively affect a woman's body
Speaker 4: and a transgender man's body, okay, really can fuck with
Speaker 4: their hormones, it can fuck with how their overall cycle
Speaker 4: and every like. You look at the side effects of
Speaker 4: birth control, and I'm like, I wouldn't want to take
Speaker 4: that ship. Yeah, I absolutely would not. And so because
Speaker 4: I'd performed with women that were not on birth control,
Speaker 4: in the transgender man that was not on birth control,
Speaker 4: I was like, I am not trying to have a
Speaker 4: baby out of this, And so it scared me enough
Speaker 4: and my anxiety was so high that I reached out
Speaker 4: to doctor Gonzalez and I was like, hey, yeah, I know,
Speaker 4: I'm a gated. Yes, I think this is a very
Speaker 4: smart move on my part to do this. And he
Speaker 4: was like, yep, that would be a smart idea.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: And so last year, like I did the whole in
Speaker 4: the state of California because I got it done here.
Speaker 4: You have to have a consultation and then you have
Speaker 4: to wait thirty days by law, and after that thirty
Speaker 4: days you can you have six months to get the
Speaker 4: procedure done.
Speaker 1: Because they're really.
Speaker 4: Kind of like, are you sure you want to do this?
Speaker 4: You sure you want to sterilize yourself all this kind
Speaker 4: of stuff, and is that.
Speaker 1: The reason for the thirty days is to just make
Speaker 1: sure you are psychologically like, yeah, prepared. Yeah.
Speaker 4: It takes longer to get a vasectomy then it does
Speaker 4: to buy a gun.
Speaker 1: Geez unpack that, ladies. Wait, is it reversible as cool?
Speaker 4: Last it is, but it's not like a permanent reversal.
Speaker 4: It's like, if you get it reversed, I believe there's
Speaker 4: like a seventy percent chance it's effective.
Speaker 1: So it's not.
Speaker 4: Entirely reversible, but it is quote unquote you ask doctor Gonzales,
Speaker 4: he definitely would know a lot more than I sure.
Speaker 2: And of course you still shoot like good loads.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: The only thing that a vasectomy does is it cuts
Speaker 4: your vas deference. Yes, which is the tube that carries
Speaker 4: sperm to your prostate, not semen, not semen. Your semen
Speaker 4: is what's inside your prostate. Think gets blown out every
Speaker 4: time you blow the load.
Speaker 1: Thank goodness.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I've I've had no change in my overall
Speaker 4: like volume, popstar change my volume, but like my overall
Speaker 4: it's everything's the exact same.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 4: So yeah, the after the thirty days I got it done.
Speaker 4: The recovery for me was a little rough. Really, I've
Speaker 4: had I've heard from some guys that like the recovery
Speaker 4: was like, oh, after a day, I was fine, and
Speaker 4: then I heard another guy that was like, oh for
Speaker 4: two straight weeks I.
Speaker 1: Was in pain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure for me.
Speaker 4: For me it was about a week. But after it
Speaker 4: was about day four or five, it felt like someone
Speaker 4: was yanking on my balls every time I stood up,
Speaker 4: because it was like muscular, it's muscular, what's happening down there?
Speaker 4: And so like it they would kind of ache from
Speaker 4: me just standing up. But I called doctor Gazalez and
Speaker 4: he was like, oh, here's a muscle relaxer. Here's some ibuprofen,
Speaker 4: and good is new.
Speaker 3: Thanks modern medicine. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then after that, like it was just a couple
Speaker 4: of weeks where I was tender a little bit, but
Speaker 4: like after seven days I was back to normal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now no.
Speaker 4: Worries of that's I mean, way to be responsible, that's
Speaker 4: d I was not going to.
Speaker 2: Be the worst.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine? Yeah, oh my god, old Buddy Blossom
Speaker 3: or whatever. She's like, hey.
Speaker 2: Sorry, You're like, I want to I want to keep it.
Speaker 4: It would be a beautiful baby, but but I wanted
Speaker 4: to take responsibility for my part in it as a dude.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm like, it's it definitely kind of is
Speaker 4: up to me to make sure that I'm not the
Speaker 4: one impregnating someone else.
Speaker 3: Is a procedure like that covered by insurance? It is okay,
Speaker 3: it would make sense to be yes, yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: it is a responsible.
Speaker 1: Act fully covered by insurance.
Speaker 2: Yet great, nice, you want a headshirt deductible a little faster?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, how what is the ratio between working with
Speaker 3: gay studios versus straight studios or or female focused studios
Speaker 3: for me?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh, I don't think people are probably not going
Speaker 1: to be happy about this one. I mean, you don't
Speaker 1: have to share if you don't want to.
Speaker 4: I absolutely will because I find this interesting and it's
Speaker 4: the truth is my straight work. There's a lot more
Speaker 4: opportunity for straight.
Speaker 2: Scenes, and we know that you would rather get paid
Speaker 2: less and work more correct, So.
Speaker 3: I shouldn't advertise that, right, like.
Speaker 2: In Vegas with a sign.
Speaker 1: Over here with my awards.
Speaker 3: In a radio four. Yes, I was just going to
Speaker 3: say that, Oh my god, yes, I was like radio fly.
Speaker 2: But you mentioned that, like you're like, people aren't going
Speaker 2: to be happy about this, Like, because I've got my stuff?
Speaker 2: How do you deal with people not being receptive to
Speaker 2: your being fluid in this industry?
Speaker 4: How do I not be Yeah, exactly? How do I
Speaker 4: not be offensive about this? I'm sure you've run into
Speaker 4: it as well, the ones basically being like you're not
Speaker 4: really gay, you're not really gay, you're promoting conversion therapy.
Speaker 4: You've got to know all of this bullshit to those
Speaker 4: people specifically.
Speaker 1: And they will be watching because we've been getting a
Speaker 1: lot of comments on.
Speaker 3: Our YouTube from those people, so we can address them directly, right, will,
Speaker 3: let's address you directly address.
Speaker 2: And actually, when you say nasty things on YouTube, we
Speaker 2: can report you.
Speaker 4: What I would honestly say is like, stop being so
Speaker 4: close minded and stop pushing your thoughts and whatever you
Speaker 4: think a gay man is on someone else. What I
Speaker 4: identify is is what I identify is, and that's my
Speaker 4: fucking business.
Speaker 1: There we go. Amen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love how we looked into the camera.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I'm addressed.
Speaker 4: Please do please do, because like the sheer number of
Speaker 4: people I have had to block, I know, because they're like, oh,
Speaker 4: you're really bisexual or you're.
Speaker 2: Not really You're like what, who cares?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Did you think it was hot?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: That's all I care about, right, that is all I
Speaker 4: care about. And so yeah, they're they're probably not going
Speaker 4: to be really happy to know that, Like I'm getting
Speaker 4: more scenes on the straight side than I am on
Speaker 4: the gay side. Yeah, and with trans and by and uh,
Speaker 4: you know, other anything that's not strictly with a cist
Speaker 4: gender man, I'm getting more scenes in that world.
Speaker 3: So so yeah, so I guess the answer, But you
Speaker 3: still definitely identify as gay, and the way you would
Speaker 3: explain that is that you are genuinely more attracted to men.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know, you are very very adamant about
Speaker 3: not having any interest in romantic entanglements.
Speaker 1: Correct, But.
Speaker 3: Were there to be such a thing, it would be
Speaker 3: towards it'd be a man, a cist gender man, a
Speaker 3: cist gender man. For sure, I need dick, he needs
Speaker 3: you know what.
Speaker 1: The bottom line is, he's into dick, you guys.
Speaker 3: I and also like plus.
Speaker 4: A fun but exactly yeah, like and I also need
Speaker 4: just like a nice pair of balls. That's that's that
Speaker 4: is a thing for me. Like you might have seen
Speaker 4: some things on Twitter or something like, you know, some
Speaker 4: one just laying down next to their partner and they're
Speaker 4: just kind of like playing with their balls.
Speaker 1: I would be the one playing with their balls.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's like a dad and a
Speaker 3: pair of balls. But like, I guess I should have
Speaker 3: prefaced this with the question, with this kind of question,
Speaker 3: because this isn't a question we get asked very often,
Speaker 3: but maybe to these people who are watching and to
Speaker 3: everyone else in the audience, like what makes a person gay?
Speaker 1: What makes you gay? Is it just that you like
Speaker 1: dick and balls?
Speaker 3: What? What? What? Else?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: What? To someone who would argue, and this is often
Speaker 3: how they say it in much more crude and crass terms,
Speaker 3: but like, well, if you are also even possibly interested
Speaker 3: in vagina, what makes you gay?
Speaker 1: Then yeah, I went through the gay struggle. You know.
Speaker 4: I grew up in Alabama in the nineties, and like
Speaker 4: or I came of age and understand and I started
Speaker 4: to understand. I was like, oh, I'm into dudes in
Speaker 4: Alabama in the nineties. Also with like you know, being
Speaker 4: afraid to have sex because the AIDS epidemic was still
Speaker 4: and kicked into high.
Speaker 1: Gear in the nineties.
Speaker 4: You know, I went through that struggle of like I
Speaker 4: don't want to be with women, Like I just don't.
Speaker 4: It's not my thing, Like.
Speaker 2: You don't envision yourself that life or that life for you?
Speaker 1: Correct? Yeah, correct.
Speaker 4: And there was a creator. His name's Jonah Wheeler. I
Speaker 4: don't know if he he loved he's a fantashic. We
Speaker 4: want to get him on this show for sure, you
Speaker 4: absolutely sure he is. He's a very smart, brilliant, extremely smart.
Speaker 3: He made a.
Speaker 4: Reel or a TikTok where he talked about he was like,
Speaker 4: I identify as gay because that is the best description of
Speaker 4: what I am into sexually. He was like bisexual, pan sexual,
Speaker 4: it's way too broad, like bisexual, you know, assumes fifty
Speaker 4: to fifty. You could go under way, that's entirely too broad.
Speaker 4: Pan sexual. I'm like, that's also like I would be
Speaker 4: so much more gay than anything else. I'm like, it's
Speaker 4: too broad. It's not gay identifies me best because that
Speaker 4: is the most accurate predictor of what I'm going to
Speaker 4: go for with regard to sex, wonderful romance, and anything else.
Speaker 1: Perfect. If I were to be a.
Speaker 3: Plus a plus, I like to say, homo flexible, homo flexible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good because you know there's hetero flexible.
Speaker 2: You know, you will do stuff with guys like you know,
Speaker 2: like yeah, film.
Speaker 1: That's what Tommy defendie.
Speaker 3: If you know who Tommy Defendi is, he refers to
Speaker 3: himself as hetero flexible off to many, very very understandable.
Speaker 3: And also if you look at my porn list, yeah
Speaker 3: it's okay. Yeah, mostly balls, just like flying. Yeah. You
Speaker 3: received I definitely want to give time for this as well.
Speaker 3: You received another award that was meaningful to you, the
Speaker 3: Advocacy Award by the Free Speech Coalition. Tell us about
Speaker 3: your work with them and what that means. This is important, Yes,
Speaker 3: it is very very please talk about it.
Speaker 4: So for the for the Award of x BIZ has
Speaker 4: what they also they also have their Executive Award. It's
Speaker 4: kind of like the companies, the people you know, behind
Speaker 4: the camera, all of that kind of it's definitely awarding
Speaker 4: people that have put in work to promote the overall
Speaker 4: adult industry and to promote sex workers. Pineapple Support is a.
Speaker 1: Very big one there. I know if you're familiar with
Speaker 1: penal sport.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pineapple Support so in case anybody's listening, is a
Speaker 3: mental health organization that works specifically with people in the
Speaker 3: adult industry.
Speaker 4: Yes, like actively, we'll give you someone just talk to
Speaker 4: if you're struggling mentally and you're in the euro sex worker.
Speaker 1: Very important work. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So this year the Free Speech Coalition awarded me their
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five Advocate Award or Advocacy Award, because over
Speaker 4: the last year I've promoted them at every single turn,
Speaker 4: and I will promote them now. The Free Speech Coalition
Speaker 4: is the they're not really a lobbying group, but they
Speaker 4: are the legal representation for sex workers like that and
Speaker 4: the sex industry. The reason that we are still that
Speaker 4: we actually have porn in the United States as it
Speaker 4: is now is because of the Free Speech Coalition.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: There was a case back in the two thousands called
Speaker 4: Free Speech Coalition versus Ashcroft, which struck down a law
Speaker 4: that like basically eliminated any kind of porn. That was
Speaker 4: it kind of I forget the exact wording of the decision,
Speaker 4: but it was like, no, you can't restrict this because
Speaker 4: porn is free speech, right like porn.
Speaker 1: Is free speech.
Speaker 4: You can't restrict this because that's what like and where
Speaker 4: do you draw the line kind of thing on porn.
Speaker 4: And so they're the ones challenging laws in state governments,
Speaker 4: challenging local laws. They just recently argued in front of
Speaker 4: the Supreme Court about the age verification law in Texas.
Speaker 4: And so they're the ones that are keeping us in
Speaker 4: business and keeping us doing what we do. Any chance
Speaker 4: I get, I am like Free Speech Coalition, please donate,
Speaker 4: do it, you know, become a member, become a patron.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at everybody out there because that if you
Speaker 4: like what you like, you know, if you like watching
Speaker 4: us and do what we do, you know, it's really
Speaker 4: good to kind of keep us around. And Free Speech
Speaker 4: Coalition keeps us around.
Speaker 3: Yeah, speak up for sex workers and adult performers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you've been watching it and you will continue
Speaker 1: to watch.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If we're gone, what are you going to jack off to? Exactly?
Speaker 4: Well, the biggest thing is is that if you know,
Speaker 4: what we do gets shut down, then places that do
Speaker 4: things illegally or things, you know, people that go into
Speaker 4: sex trafficking, things like that, it becomes less safe. It
Speaker 4: becomes less safe. And that's where everybody is because the
Speaker 4: demand is always going to be there. It is always
Speaker 4: going to Porn is one of the top five most
Speaker 4: lucrative industries in the world, like oil is ahead of that, crazy, Yeah,
Speaker 4: porn is one of the top five, and the demand
Speaker 4: is going to be there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And so but if you cut off demand where we
Speaker 4: do it here, we do it legally. We do it
Speaker 4: with you know, bunny years, with our IDs next to
Speaker 4: our faces. Hey, we consent to this. Yes, you know,
Speaker 4: you take that away, it's going to be people that
Speaker 4: are being sex trafficked. It's going to be people that
Speaker 4: are doing it against their ill and it's going to
Speaker 4: be it's not safe for anyone that's in that involved
Speaker 4: in that.
Speaker 1: Considering the political climate today, do you feel personally as
Speaker 1: someone who's really well informed about all this stuff that
Speaker 1: we are in particular higher level of danger of losing
Speaker 1: the legality and stuff that is in place that the
Speaker 1: Free Speech Coalition is defending.
Speaker 4: Yeah, first of all, thank you for considering me very
Speaker 4: informed of it. I appreciate that I have that aura
Speaker 4: about me.
Speaker 1: You literally won the Advocacy Award.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to remain humble, everyone humble and sexy.
Speaker 1: I do not think that we are in danger of
Speaker 1: losing it. We are in danger of having restrictions placed
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 2: Sure the in certain places.
Speaker 4: No, at some point I think it will be nationally,
Speaker 4: they'll have age verification law is put in place. You know,
Speaker 4: I looked at the transcript from the Free Speech Coalition v.
Speaker 1: Paxton.
Speaker 4: That's the Texas age verification law. The Supreme Court, like,
Speaker 4: you know, because it's a highly conservative Supreme Court. Now,
Speaker 4: they were like they realized that porn is free speech,
Speaker 4: and you can't you know, you can't say that porn
Speaker 4: is illegal because it's just not. But they are open
Speaker 4: to the idea of keeping it out of the reach
Speaker 4: of children, which no one in the adult industry is
Speaker 4: arguing for that.
Speaker 1: So on, this is interesting to me. Because on paper,
Speaker 1: to like a conservative mother in Kentucky or somewhere, you know,
Speaker 1: if you just see they're trying to implement age verification.
Speaker 1: Obviously on paper, it's like, well I want that.
Speaker 3: What is it about this that is actually dangerous to
Speaker 3: the industry, Like explain a little bit.
Speaker 2: More people are afraid that it's like giving their information
Speaker 2: and sharing it. If they type in their birthday and you've.
Speaker 1: Got to upload a picture.
Speaker 2: Of your Yeah, yeah, they don't know where that goes.
Speaker 2: We don't know where that goes.
Speaker 3: Are you saying there's a risk that if the age
Speaker 3: very vocation process is more involved, we would lose more business, correct?
Speaker 3: I see, yeah, because less and less people would be
Speaker 3: open to sharing their information to view such things.
Speaker 1: Got it. So it's a privacy situation, huge privacy issuet
Speaker 1: because what these governments are doing, what the state governments
Speaker 1: are doing, is they're trying to implement a third party
Speaker 1: verification system which is open to hacking, easily open to hacking.
Speaker 1: So if you if your thing is I want to
Speaker 1: watch you know, crazy porn of like bananas getting fired
Speaker 1: off into someone's asshole, you know, which does probably exist,
Speaker 1: So you put your information in there as this is
Speaker 1: what you're viewing, this is what you're trying to access,
Speaker 1: that could be hacked and then it could be used
Speaker 1: against you. It could be you like and it could
Speaker 1: be even used against you in a background check as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so like it's the it's a massive privacy issue.
Speaker 1: But also if you implement verification laws like Florida, Texas, Utah,
Speaker 1: a couple of other states that I can't to Tennessee,
Speaker 1: like porn hub has already shut down business in those
Speaker 1: states because they're like went dark. Wow, it just went
Speaker 1: completely dark.
Speaker 2: And so it's and there's a message saying to support
Speaker 2: like free speech instead of that. I just watched the story.
Speaker 1: Where where'd you find it?
Speaker 2: It was just on it was just on like ABC.
Speaker 2: It's like what I have when I it's a big
Speaker 2: news item.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, because a lot of people in Florida are
Speaker 4: pretty pissed off about it, as they should be good
Speaker 4: to know.
Speaker 2: And it's like and it's like, yes, to protect people
Speaker 2: under eighteen, we have to make everybody else risk their privacy. Like,
Speaker 2: so that's the problem. They need there needs to be
Speaker 2: away without having to share all your information to keep
Speaker 2: kids safe and watch your porn and like it's just
Speaker 2: a really it's a Gordian knot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what a.
Speaker 2: Gordian solvable problem.
Speaker 1: I've never heard that before. It has taught me something new.
Speaker 1: I thought there was something in BDSUND. I mean it
Speaker 1: can be.
Speaker 3: Figure out this puzzle or a Gordian not starring Derek
Speaker 3: Cage figure out this puzzle, or you get the dildo.
Speaker 1: Yeah cool.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for your work with that
Speaker 3: and for sharing with our audiences and with us what
Speaker 3: you know about it.
Speaker 1: What is next for Derek Cage? I mean there's so
Speaker 1: much going on, Like how much do I give away
Speaker 1: at this point? Sure, what's left?
Speaker 4: I know, Like since I since I just signed it
Speaker 4: that agency, you know, I'm just going to be doing
Speaker 4: everything that I can to you and actively be able
Speaker 4: to be like a gay man can do this too,
Speaker 4: Like you know, it's it's another frontier for a gay
Speaker 4: man to be, Like I'm if they want to, if
Speaker 4: they want to, yeah, exactly, Like it's the opportunities there,
Speaker 4: so I definitely.
Speaker 1: Want to do that.
Speaker 4: I want to give more advocate obviously advocacy for free speech,
Speaker 4: coalition in the sex worker industry in general, and let's
Speaker 4: just say I'm actively working on something that I'm going
Speaker 4: to tell my story. Awesome, man, I'm not going to
Speaker 4: give too much away, but like going to tell my
Speaker 4: full story.
Speaker 3: I totally support that. I feel like we're all kind
Speaker 3: of doing versions of that. It's just like, I mean,
Speaker 3: I think these stories are important. This is why we
Speaker 3: started this podcast in the first place, is to have
Speaker 3: people who are in this industry or around this industry
Speaker 3: share what it's like, what got us here, how we're doing,
Speaker 3: what we're doing with it, the good, the bad, the ugly.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: The real the real boo love that. Yes, cool.
Speaker 3: This was like the fastest fifty minutes of my life. Like,
Speaker 3: I just feel like it, just like flew By, You're
Speaker 3: a joy, a joy to talk to, is always Derek.
Speaker 3: Congratulations on a lot of sccess. Yes, crushing it, crushing
Speaker 3: it with a smile like you. I don't there hasn't
Speaker 3: you know a lot of times a lot of people
Speaker 3: we have on this, on this podcast or just that
Speaker 3: we talked to, like there's struggle. There's moments like where
Speaker 3: like it's just like what am I doing? How much
Speaker 3: longer have I got? And I just I don't get
Speaker 3: any sense of that. Do you ever feel that way?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: He's like, no, I'm great.
Speaker 4: I will do this as long as my body allows
Speaker 4: me and as long as studios book me. I love
Speaker 4: what I do and I will like I hope to
Speaker 4: be one of those ones when I'm like old and croshety.
Speaker 1: He's just being like that was me.
Speaker 2: Yes, now I'm the old coomer.
Speaker 1: Still coming though. Awesome, but thank you for that. I'm
Speaker 1: glad that I exude. You know.
Speaker 4: The happiness and success that I've had has just been
Speaker 4: such a like it's gonna sound cliche as fun, but
Speaker 4: it's been a blessing that's wonderful.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, two more joy in the industry. I love
Speaker 3: that and joy? Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Cool? Did I miss anything there? Anything else you want
Speaker 1: to share? Anything you want to plug? Nothing that I
Speaker 1: can think to plug or share. I guess we covered
Speaker 1: a lot of grounds.
Speaker 2: I know we did. I'm like fast, we're like sharp.
Speaker 3: Today, Oh totally yeah.
Speaker 1: No, when it's raining and cold outside, Yes, we've got this.
Speaker 1: The coffee is kicked in, ready to go. Awesome. When
Speaker 1: do you leave town? I'm literally going driving back to
Speaker 1: Vegas as soon as I was.
Speaker 3: So happy we caught you in your last moments and
Speaker 3: we'll see you next time you're in town. Thank you
Speaker 3: for rescheduling me, oh my god, no, thank you for
Speaker 3: being flexible as well. Yeah, and thank you guys so
Speaker 3: much for watching. And thank you Cold Connor for what
Speaker 3: you know, for just being your smiley, sweet self best
Speaker 3: host out.
Speaker 2: Up on the good side of the bed.
Speaker 3: Same. I feel it cool, And thank you Derek, thank
Speaker 3: you everybody. We love you. My name is Adam Ramsey,
Speaker 3: I'm Cold Connor. This has been sorry for asking, see
Speaker 3: you next time. Bye.
Speaker 2: This has been sorry for asking. Be sure to like,
Speaker 2: comment and subscribe, and until next time, stay sexy.