Speaker 1: Welcome to Dorkying Out. My name is Sonia Mansfield. And
Speaker 1: you ask me if I have a God complex, let
Speaker 1: me tell you something. I am God. Joining me is
Speaker 1: my podcasting sister from another mister and the co host
Speaker 1: of Dorkey Out, Margot d Hello, my friend, Hello.
Speaker 2: My friend, I'm Bebe Neworth. As a Boston cop. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't mind shooting you.
Speaker 1: Her accent is uh it's uh, yeah, it's something. Also,
Speaker 1: she's the only one that seems to have one in
Speaker 1: this movie.
Speaker 2: We have a lot to do.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes we do. We're Dorkying Out Abound nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: three's malice, that's right. We are directed by Harold Becker,
Speaker 1: screenplay by Aaron Sorkin and Scott Frank and h starring
Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin, Alec Baldwin, Aleck Nicole Kidman, Bill Pullman, Baby
Speaker 1: new Earth, Baby Newarth, Sorry, Peter Gallagher and Anne Bancroft
Speaker 1: and George C. Scott. Did you see this in the theater,
Speaker 1: my friend?
Speaker 3: I don't have any memory of seeing it in the theater.
Speaker 3: I believe I rented it.
Speaker 1: I one saw this in the theater. I might have
Speaker 1: seen it with my mom, because my mom loves a
Speaker 1: nineties thriller. When I told her we were doing this one,
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, that's a good one. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Look, if you haven't seen Malice, we're going to
Speaker 1: spoil this very old movie for you, so you should
Speaker 1: go watch it and come back because, uh, there's lots
Speaker 1: to spoil. So let's run through. It shall be my friend. Okay.
Speaker 1: Opens with a college student goes home. She's going to
Speaker 1: feed her adorable cat and she gets attacked from behind,
Speaker 1: and then they cut to a hospital. Bill Pullman's bargein
Speaker 1: in there, and it turns out she has been beat
Speaker 1: up and sexually assaulted. And he is like the dean
Speaker 1: of the college, like an associate dean of the college.
Speaker 1: So now he's at the hospital like they do, like
Speaker 1: they do for every student that ends up at the hospital.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3: I mean he must have a police scanner or something going.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's Smith College. I mean I think it
Speaker 3: was filmed that Smith. I didn't say it was Smith,
Speaker 3: but it's a women's college.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and he's like, hey, it's like the third
Speaker 2: or fourth one that's been dead. What's going on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he's talking to baby Newarth bb Newarth. And
Speaker 1: she's got this accent again the I think the only
Speaker 1: one in the movie with an accent.
Speaker 3: It's not a Boston accent, by the way, y'all, it's
Speaker 3: just an accent.
Speaker 2: And she's a great actor.
Speaker 3: She is like she's had Tony's and Emmy's and she's
Speaker 3: she's brilliant.
Speaker 2: She was Lilith and free.
Speaker 1: Yes, we love her.
Speaker 2: She's great.
Speaker 3: I've seen her in Chicago. She's she's really really good.
Speaker 2: But her accent work needs her accents need work.
Speaker 1: See, I uh wrote in my notes Margot, what do
Speaker 1: you think of this accent? Because Margo is my expert,
Speaker 1: Like Margo's an amazing mimic and could do like all
Speaker 1: kinds of accents. And yeah, this one's a real choice.
Speaker 2: It's it's a tough one, by the way. Boston accents
Speaker 2: are not easy, and they you know, you shouldn't do that.
Speaker 2: You really shouldn't do it in a movie unless you're committed.
Speaker 1: Yes, and good God, just make her not from there.
Speaker 1: That's okay.
Speaker 2: That's you can make fun.
Speaker 3: Of her for having a New York accent, like she's
Speaker 3: married to something, she married someone and moved up there
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't anyway.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so he's at the hospital, possibly one of
Speaker 1: the most She's just a complete and income poop as
Speaker 1: a cop.
Speaker 2: I don't know what this woman does well, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's just like you know, He's like, you need
Speaker 1: to beef up security, and she's like, you do you
Speaker 1: think so? I don't know. You know, we're doing the
Speaker 1: best we can. I'm like, are you So they're waiting,
Speaker 1: you know, to hear by the way her family friends. Nah,
Speaker 1: But the associate Dean is there. He like there and
Speaker 1: then they cut to the surgery and that's when we
Speaker 1: meet Alec Baldwin and he's like the hot new doctor
Speaker 1: at the hotel or the hotel, I don't know where
Speaker 1: that came from. Anyway, he's at the hospital. He like
Speaker 1: a real hotshot. Immediately like saves her life and tells
Speaker 1: off an other doctor like don't you question me in
Speaker 1: front of the surgical step. You know, he's like very
Speaker 1: serious guy. Also young Alec Baldwin hot.
Speaker 2: Like he's fucking hot. I'm gonna go let it. Look.
Speaker 2: He's very dynamic in this movie.
Speaker 3: He is a big reason this movie succeeds in spite
Speaker 3: of itself. Yes, let me just say this now. I
Speaker 3: find this movie very enjoyable. Not believable, no, but enjoyable.
Speaker 1: No one in the movie behaves like an actual human being.
Speaker 1: They all behave like people who are in a nineties thriller,
Speaker 1: like and that's that's what we want, that's what we want,
Speaker 1: Like this movie is You texted me and you were like,
Speaker 1: it's bananas, and I was like, it's fucking bananas, Like
Speaker 1: this movie doesn't make any sense. So he saves her life.
Speaker 1: Then he's like in the locker room changing and Bullman
Speaker 1: like goes into the locker room area and is like,
Speaker 1: can I get an update on my patient, like an
Speaker 1: associate dean does? They just go into the locker room
Speaker 1: at the hospital.
Speaker 3: We're told like this is the third or fourth one,
Speaker 3: and I think the other ones didn't make it, like
Speaker 3: it's a serial killer slash essay or yes, so this
Speaker 3: is and it's happening on this campus. It's not like
Speaker 3: it's happening in the state. It's happening in a town. Yes,
Speaker 3: and it's pretty small, and in any other town this
Speaker 3: would be big news. No press, there's no press, there's
Speaker 3: no urgency, there's no like, is.
Speaker 2: She going to be okay? What is her prognosis.
Speaker 3: It's just we're meant that whole thing is meant so
Speaker 3: that Alec Baldwin can like save her from her blood pressure,
Speaker 3: you know, and we're alls go, oh, god, man, this
Speaker 3: guy's not shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then as they're talking, Bill Pullman realizes they went
Speaker 1: to high school together and what a coincidence. So they
Speaker 1: like chat it up and Alec Baldwin was the hot
Speaker 1: man on campus and Bill Pullman was not. I find
Speaker 1: that hard to believe that Bill Pullman was not the
Speaker 1: hot man on campus. But that's okay, Really you could
Speaker 1: buy it. Oh yeah, Oh, I think he's so handsome,
Speaker 1: but I mean he is good at playing.
Speaker 3: It would not shock me if he were incredibly awkward
Speaker 3: for like fifteen years or something and then be ka hot.
Speaker 1: That's true. Good point, you got me. Then he goes
Speaker 1: like to visit his wife, who also works at the
Speaker 1: hospital as an art teacher in the pediatric department. I
Speaker 1: put question mark, I'm all, question mark, I.
Speaker 2: Don't and I think it's volunteer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she doesn't work, but yeah, she's volunteering, so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, so, I guess it's not like it's her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so she's.
Speaker 2: Kids in that room that she's in charge of, so yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and yeah, uh he talks to her. They're like
Speaker 1: we're of course. They're like, this is a very Pacific
Speaker 1: Heights situation too, Like they bought a beautiful Victorian home
Speaker 1: there that they are trying to fix up. They are
Speaker 1: newly married. Apparently she used to be his student. Gross,
Speaker 1: so gross, And it's like the headline on the article
Speaker 1: that they have cut out in their house in a
Speaker 1: frame that says like Professor Mary's his favorite student.
Speaker 2: Like it's an enchanting story.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god, that's so romantic. He prayed on
Speaker 1: one of his students on door. That's a me cute.
Speaker 1: So they're working on their house and they need to
Speaker 1: have a bunch of work done, so they're talking about
Speaker 1: renting out like the top floor of their they're super
Speaker 1: nice home, so they well I shouldn't say they, but yeah,
Speaker 1: they they rented out to Alan Baldwin, who like immediately
Speaker 1: moves in, starts banging nurses like all night long, playing
Speaker 1: loud music, being a real disruptor, I guess. And Nicole
Speaker 1: Kidman seems very very annoyed with that. Nicole Kidman's character
Speaker 1: in this movie is very confusing to me.
Speaker 2: She's very grumpy, she.
Speaker 1: Is, but also knowing what we know at the end,
Speaker 1: things that she's doing throughout the movie don't make sense.
Speaker 2: Or nothing makes sense in this movie.
Speaker 1: Even when she's alone, she's playing having a bad way
Speaker 1: it does. It's such a fake out this movie, so
Speaker 1: it doesn't work. But that's why I like.
Speaker 2: That's why I like it.
Speaker 1: So they have their Pacific Heights situation. Now they've let
Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin move in and Pullman and Baldwin like go
Speaker 1: to lunch where Pullman like immediately discloses like all his
Speaker 1: wife's like private medical information to him, like instantly, unprovoked.
Speaker 3: Just well he's a good doctor, sonya, so he can
Speaker 3: do everything she wants to get pregnant.
Speaker 2: So he's a.
Speaker 3: Thoracic surgeon, so you know that means that he can
Speaker 3: help her get pregnant totally totally, and.
Speaker 1: It just makes it and she's like, please tell him,
Speaker 1: you didn't tell my you know, our story and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, it just came up and it didn't come up.
Speaker 1: He like volunteered. Did he mean Bill Pullman is such
Speaker 1: a dope in this movie, like such a dope that
Speaker 1: we meet Gwyneth Paltrow, young little baby Gwyneth Paltrow.
Speaker 2: Beautiful Gwyneth Paltrow or gorgeous locks.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, she's in it for like five seconds
Speaker 1: as one of his students that he's meeting with. And eventually,
Speaker 1: like he's supposed to, she's supposed to show up for
Speaker 1: a meeting with him, and she does. So what does
Speaker 1: he do? He goes to her house like associate deans do, right,
Speaker 1: It just just shows up at her house where I
Speaker 1: guess she lives alone in this very lovely little house,
Speaker 1: and he discovers her dead body.
Speaker 2: Well, he also discovers the hair. Yes, and her hair
Speaker 2: has been cut.
Speaker 3: And we've just they've also established that the person that
Speaker 3: hurts these women, that's the serial killer, cuts their hair,
Speaker 3: like takes their hair.
Speaker 2: So he picks up the hairs. God is in his hand.
Speaker 2: He's just got like, ah, let.
Speaker 1: Me just drag my fingerprints and footprints all over this
Speaker 1: crime scene.
Speaker 2: Shake my dandriff all over the.
Speaker 1: Place, this evidence.
Speaker 2: Click the door knob and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, leave some DNA over here, and a little over here,
Speaker 1: and you know, he calls you know, Boston at officer
Speaker 1: Boston accent to come and immediately she's like, why are
Speaker 1: you here? And he's like, I was chucking, Like all
Speaker 1: of these victims have a connection to him, and so
Speaker 1: she's starting to get suspicious, rightfully so, and she like
Speaker 1: asks him for like a semen sample and then sends
Speaker 1: him on his way and he agrees to do it. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: like Kidman's like getting these horrible cramps where she's like
Speaker 1: doubling over in pain even when nobody's around to see it.
Speaker 1: I mean, they must have been really painful, So it might.
Speaker 3: Be a thing like that. Maybe she really did have
Speaker 3: those pains. I don't know, but yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So at some point she like they make it
Speaker 1: clear that she's got like a medical issue going on
Speaker 1: and that she has these horrible cramps and nobody can
Speaker 1: figure out what's wrong, and et cetera, et cetera. Where
Speaker 1: did they go?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: And then Bill Pullman meets up with Alec Baldwin at
Speaker 1: a bar and they drink a whole bunch like do whatever,
Speaker 1: and then he like goes he's going to go home
Speaker 1: to his wife. But that's when the cop asks him
Speaker 1: for a semen sample, I think, and so he goes
Speaker 1: to do that instead of going home, and then she
Speaker 1: collapses and calls nine to one to one. So she's
Speaker 1: rushed into the hospital for emergency surgery. And what do
Speaker 1: you know, Alec Baldwin's going to perform the surgery. First
Speaker 1: of all, he's drunk.
Speaker 3: He's been drinking, he's wasted, he's been drinking and playing.
Speaker 2: Darts at a bar. Yes, is he the only one
Speaker 2: they can call?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no other doctor at this hospital. Like, also,
Speaker 1: if you're on call, what are you doing drinking? But
Speaker 1: knowing what we know about how the movie ends, there's whatever.
Speaker 1: He's doing it because he's supposed to write. But so
Speaker 1: he shows up up. It turns out she's pregnant, which
Speaker 1: you know, was surprised to everybody, and she also has
Speaker 1: like a ruptured cyst, and then there's a lot of
Speaker 1: debate about her second ovary and whether or not it's yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And so they don't have time to like have anybody
Speaker 1: look at it to get the specialist in all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So he just decided he goes out. He talks to
Speaker 1: Bill Pullman and he's like, look, your wife is gonna
Speaker 1: die if I don't remove this ovary, and he's like,
Speaker 1: thumbs up, you should totally remove that overy, you know,
Speaker 1: and he's also, I'm being flippant. He's also very sad
Speaker 1: that this has happened to his wife, that she's losing
Speaker 1: her ovaries and she's not going to be able to
Speaker 1: have children. Also, FYI, your wife was pregnant, but not anymore.
Speaker 1: So he removes both the ovaries, and then the pathology
Speaker 1: report comes back and it was a healthy ovary. Dun, dun, dun.
Speaker 1: And she's devastated. She's always crying and upset, and she's like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sue your fucking ass for doing this. And
Speaker 1: she's mad at Bill Pullman now for giving him permission.
Speaker 1: Right if this was a normal movie, and let's say
Speaker 1: it wasn't a nineties thriller like he thought he he
Speaker 1: thought he was saving her life. Bill Pullman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a huge loss for her.
Speaker 3: I mean supposedly, it's supposedly she really wants kids, Like
Speaker 3: it's a big it's a big loss.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But she's going to sue Alec Baldwin and she's
Speaker 1: leaving Bill Pullman. So she leaves him, and he's devastated,
Speaker 1: and she appears to be also very sad, but is
Speaker 1: uh so she let's see what. Oh, then we get
Speaker 1: this deposition and we get to see Peter Gallagher and
Speaker 1: his luscious eyebrows, the best eyebrows in the business. Peter
Speaker 1: galliher and he's her lawyer, and they start like hitting
Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin with questions. George c Scott's in there. They
Speaker 1: got some heavy hitters in here in very tiny parts.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's I think part of the reason this movie. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's very shocking. George c Scott is here for some reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for some reason. He's in here for like a
Speaker 1: scene and talking about how Alec Baldwin's a really great doctor,
Speaker 1: but he has a God complex. And that's when Alec
Speaker 1: Baldwin gives this speech that they love to show in
Speaker 1: the previews for the movie, you know, where it's I
Speaker 1: am God, you know, and it's and by the way,
Speaker 1: a lot of surgeons have that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Absolutely they do.
Speaker 1: They, you know, bringing people back from the brink of death.
Speaker 1: They absolutely get a God complex. And he gives that
Speaker 1: big speech. But she she appears to be like an angel.
Speaker 1: She's like, all, I, you know, the whole thing is,
Speaker 1: we bought this beautiful Victorian house and we were gonna
Speaker 1: fill it with kids, and I volunteer at the hospital,
Speaker 1: and now I can't have children. And I was pregnant
Speaker 1: at the time. So she gets a shit and he
Speaker 1: was drunk, so she gets she's gonna get twenty million dollars.
Speaker 1: It's a ton of money even now. So what happens
Speaker 1: after that, Oh, she's waiting for her money. She's like,
Speaker 1: I'm so upset, Peter Gallagher. I don't really care about
Speaker 1: the money. It's the principal. You could just give me
Speaker 1: the money and a coffee. Can I'm gonna go to
Speaker 1: my house that's on a cliff by the ocean in the
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere and and cry about what's happened. And meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Bill Pullman is now discovered from the Semen sample that
Speaker 1: he is sterile.
Speaker 2: Yes at bb.
Speaker 3: Newarth tells him this, wow, like, you know that sample
Speaker 3: you gave us shooting FYI, you're shooting blanks, by the way,
Speaker 3: because she doesn't all of a sudden, she's also suspicious
Speaker 3: of Nicole Kidman. Yes, for some reason, when she should
Speaker 3: be stopping this serial killer Yeah, aren't you busy, aren't
Speaker 3: you busy?
Speaker 1: No, she's not busy. She has time to worry about
Speaker 1: Nicole Kidman and Bill Pullman's semen sample. So she tells
Speaker 1: him that. And so, just so you know, everybody, this
Speaker 1: whole movie had a storyline about a serial rapist and
Speaker 1: murderer just so Bill Pullman's character could find out that
Speaker 1: he's sterile.
Speaker 2: That's the only.
Speaker 1: Thing that it's the only reason this is in the movie.
Speaker 1: Because it turns out that the the rapist, the murderer
Speaker 1: is the guy who works as a handyman at the college.
Speaker 2: And he saw he's jig Saw. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's Tobin Bell from Yeah Jigsaw. Yeah. So that
Speaker 1: whole storyline that is a good chunk of the movie
Speaker 1: is just so Bill Pullman's character can find out that
Speaker 1: he's sterile. It serves no other purpose. I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: to bring in New Earth, to bring in Officer Boston accent,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but okay, so many red herrings in
Speaker 1: this movie.
Speaker 3: There's also a scene you've got to mention where they're
Speaker 3: having a sex scene and they're having sex by a
Speaker 3: window and there's a kid the neighbor that has who
Speaker 3: plays an electronic keyboard, you know, by the window, and
Speaker 3: it's like pretty easy to put up, you know, put some.
Speaker 1: Fucking blinds up, curtains.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is not freaking hard or turn the
Speaker 3: lights out or whatever. But there's a whole thing about
Speaker 3: this kid can watch and it's supposed to be a kid.
Speaker 2: Yes, so that's another thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a couple of sex scenes in here, because
Speaker 1: they've gotten Nicole Kidman and they want to take full advantage.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So there's a scene with her and Bill Pullman and
Speaker 1: the kid is sitting there at his keyboard watching and yes,
Speaker 1: thank you for reminding me about that scene, because that's
Speaker 1: another one of the weird random red herrings in this.
Speaker 1: So there's the kid next door who may or may
Speaker 1: not have seen something going on, a serial rapist and
Speaker 1: murderer who has nothing to do with anything else in
Speaker 1: the movie.
Speaker 2: And it's caught pretty easily.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's just sleeping in the base and I'm
Speaker 3: Bill Pulm and also like his his secretary's like, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go home now.
Speaker 2: It's eight thirty. I'm like, you keeping that this woman
Speaker 2: there till eight thirty at night, asshole.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're such a Dick.
Speaker 4: But he's like, hey, by uh this this made me
Speaker 4: laugh The hardest is like the first I saw the
Speaker 4: movie because he's like tapping, like because the light bulb
Speaker 4: goes out and he's kind of like calling out for
Speaker 4: this woman.
Speaker 2: I'm like, she was there till eight thirty asshole changed
Speaker 2: her own light bulb.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he goes to the basement and that's where
Speaker 3: Jigsaw is.
Speaker 2: And all of his hairs, like.
Speaker 1: He finds it instantly, instantly.
Speaker 3: And manages to yeah, to beat him up and get away.
Speaker 3: And so then bb Newarth comes in and so they
Speaker 3: did solve that crime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it literally walks into the room instantly, picks
Speaker 1: up a frame and like hair falls, like it's so easy,
Speaker 1: like the world's worst escape room, so easy. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so they get into a huge fight too, and then
Speaker 1: and Tobin Jigsaw beats the shit out of him too.
Speaker 1: And after that, now he knows that he's not the
Speaker 1: father of the baby that Nicole kids that was lost
Speaker 1: and he's caught the rapist murderer. So good for him.
Speaker 1: You know, he'll get a headline now that says like
Speaker 1: Professor catches favorite handyman or something. But he shows up
Speaker 1: at Alec Baldwin's apartment, and Alec Baldwin's like, basically, like,
Speaker 1: what the hell happened to your face? And he's like,
Speaker 1: it wasn't my baby instantly, and like, at no point
Speaker 1: does it occur to Pullman that maybe the guy that
Speaker 1: was living with them stooped his wife.
Speaker 3: He's highly sexual and charismatic and total boon helm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, He's like, she screwed us both over, buddy, Like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna tell the insurance company that it
Speaker 1: turns out she wasn't a virgin or something like they
Speaker 1: think because he thinks Bill Pullman thinks because she had
Speaker 1: an affair, that somehow she doesn't get all that money.
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's not how it works, you dope, Like.
Speaker 2: It's also right, she still was pregnant.
Speaker 1: Yes, and she still lost her ovaries. Right, she's gonna
Speaker 1: get the money. No, Like, I don't know what he
Speaker 1: was thinking there, but we're not supposed to understand what
Speaker 1: he's thinking. I guess. So then you say that wrote this,
Speaker 1: by the way, and I think it's one of the
Speaker 1: only things that Alec bald sorry that Aaron Sorkin has
Speaker 1: written that wasn't like nominated for something, for anything, for anything,
Speaker 1: like you know, I think, uh, a few good men
Speaker 1: had maybe come out the year before, right, so Aaron
Speaker 1: Sorkin was a name at this point. And I mean,
Speaker 1: this movie is really sloppy, Like this must have been
Speaker 1: like an early screenplay of his. I no, he's not
Speaker 1: proud of it. And I read somewhere that like, like
Speaker 1: he's not proud of it. I think he should be
Speaker 1: proud of it, because I think it's fucking watchable as hell.
Speaker 1: But there's this whole thing where they the director and
Speaker 1: the producers asked him to write a sex scene for
Speaker 1: Nicole Kidman and Alec Baldwin, but he wouldn't do it
Speaker 1: because he worked with Tom Cruise the year before and
Speaker 1: she's married to Tom Cruise. And the whole thing just
Speaker 1: pissed me because I was like, so, you can't treat
Speaker 1: her like a professional because of your professional relationship with
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise.
Speaker 3: I'm not very had a lot of power over her. Yeah,
Speaker 3: went they were early early marriage.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, by the way they wrote they wrote a sex
Speaker 1: scene anyway, and is it stupid? Yeah, But whatever Bill
Speaker 1: Pullman thinks. For some reason, Peter Gallagher is the father
Speaker 1: of the baby. They won't have to do a DNA test.
Speaker 1: If that's true, the fetus would have eyebrows. So they
Speaker 1: He goes to Peter Gallagher's house or his office, and
Speaker 1: Peter Gallagher's like, what the hell happened to your face?
Speaker 1: And he's like, I beat the shit out of a
Speaker 1: deeply disturbed serial rapist. That's his answer, Like just fucking
Speaker 1: say you bummed into a door man, and then proceeds
Speaker 1: to say you you fucked my wife and she's pregnant,
Speaker 1: and Peter Gallagher's just like, I don't know what you're
Speaker 1: talking about, Like I would never You should ask her mom. Huh,
Speaker 1: we're also her mom's dead, right, No, no, And he
Speaker 1: tells her go see her mom and break a bottle
Speaker 1: of scotch, which I think is funny. So he goes
Speaker 1: to see her and it's Anne Bancroft and she wasn't
Speaker 1: nominated for an Oscar for this. I'm surprised.
Speaker 3: I wow what they're trying to go for in this scene.
Speaker 2: And they're making a big deal about the is it
Speaker 2: the DEGA? Is that with the sculpture?
Speaker 3: Yes, that like you can buy anywhere, And they're in Boston,
Speaker 3: where there's like a million museums and gift shops, and
Speaker 3: it's just one of those things like you get those
Speaker 3: ballet sculptures anywhere, no one assumes they're worth millions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he thinks it's a big gotcha moment. It's like, no, man,
Speaker 1: she bought it, bought it at Walmart, Like it's fine.
Speaker 1: But she's she's doing a thing for some reason. She
Speaker 1: really wants to do a magic trick for him, and
Speaker 1: she's like shuffling cards and yelling at him to pick
Speaker 1: a car, and he's just trying to get answers about
Speaker 1: what's Nicole Kidman's deal, and she's telling him like she's
Speaker 1: a con artist. This is her thing, Like you know,
Speaker 1: she marries rich she or she apparently she was sleeping
Speaker 1: with someone at some way back when she was younger,
Speaker 1: and when she got pregnant, he gave her money for
Speaker 1: an abortion. She pocketed the money, went to like a
Speaker 1: free clinic and got an abortion. And the mom makes
Speaker 1: it sound like this is her thing, like this is
Speaker 1: just what she does. But also she's like pick a
Speaker 1: card and then she's like I picked a jacket clubs, bitch,
Speaker 1: Like that's supposed to be some big moment for us, like,
Speaker 1: uh huh, she figured it, Like, I don't know what
Speaker 1: that seems about. But somehow he figures out that the
Speaker 1: doctor she met at the clinic was Alec Baldwin. I okay, sure,
Speaker 1: I don't know why dude's rich worked at Harvard or
Speaker 1: went to Harvard also worked at the free clinic.
Speaker 2: I guess I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. So then he leaves, you know, her place,
Speaker 1: and he's, I don't know, he's trying to find her
Speaker 1: for somehow. He like finds out that she's living on
Speaker 1: a house on a cliff over the ocean, which is
Speaker 1: another red herring because when you see that, you're waiting
Speaker 1: for someone to fall off the cliff. No one ever
Speaker 1: falls off the cliff. This isn't the good Son where
Speaker 1: someone's going to fall off the cliff. Very disappointing. So
Speaker 1: he follows. He goes into her house, and then she
Speaker 1: comes back with Alec Baldwin and they make out in
Speaker 1: front of him, and he's just sitting there watching. Then
Speaker 1: he leaves, He goes home, trashes his own home for
Speaker 1: some reason, where he then finds a syringe that he
Speaker 1: apparently gets tested and it has this drug that causes
Speaker 1: you take it if you want to get pregnant, but
Speaker 1: if you take too much, it causes overian cis. So
Speaker 1: his theory is is that Alec Baldwin was injecting her
Speaker 1: with this on purpose to give her overian cis and
Speaker 1: they are in this together to get twenty million dollars, right, yes,
Speaker 1: So then he meets Nicole Kidman at a restaurant to
Speaker 1: tell her like, I know you're a piece of shit
Speaker 1: and I want half the money, and she laughs in
Speaker 1: his face, and then he tells her we should have
Speaker 1: bought those curtains because the boy next door saw everything.
Speaker 1: And she gets really mad and like breaks a glass
Speaker 1: while she's holding it. She turns into the Hulk Kidman
Speaker 1: smash and she goes back to her place and Alec
Speaker 1: Baldwin is there and she's like, we have to kill
Speaker 1: the kid. And that is going too far for Alec Baldwin.
Speaker 1: He is not going to kill the kid, and he
Speaker 1: hits her too, just so we know he's an extra
Speaker 1: big creep. He hits her, but he's not going to
Speaker 1: kill the kid, and she shoots him and kills him
Speaker 1: by Alec Baldwin. So sad. Also, I don't think we
Speaker 1: give enough props to Alec Baldwin's chest hair.
Speaker 2: In the nineties, there's a lot going on with his
Speaker 2: body hair.
Speaker 1: I think we maybe we talked about it in our
Speaker 1: lost episode Unmarried to the Mob, because I think by
Speaker 1: the we did record, I'm gonna say we did an
Speaker 1: episode I'm Married to the Mob, but it didn't record,
Speaker 1: And I think we had a whole thing about Alec
Speaker 1: Baldwin and his chest hair because he's a hairy man.
Speaker 1: He's a very hairy man. So he keels over. And
Speaker 1: then she breaks into the kid's house because she's going
Speaker 1: to kill him, and she's gonna put a plastic bag
Speaker 1: over his head. And it turns out it's just a
Speaker 1: CPR dummy. You dummy, you dummy. Yeah, and did she
Speaker 1: gets super bit by the way this nurse, this nurse
Speaker 1: that just leaves her kid alone every night, locks.
Speaker 2: Him in the house, locks him in the house every night.
Speaker 1: It gets worse. So like Nicole Kidman like loses her
Speaker 1: shit because it's a dummy, and she like trashes all
Speaker 1: over the place because she really wants to get caught.
Speaker 1: And then Bill Pullman shows up and they like fight
Speaker 1: and they fall off the stair well and on the
Speaker 1: ground and all this stuff, and then you know, Officer
Speaker 1: Boston accent shows up and is like yonda rest Kidman.
Speaker 1: You know, at some point Pullman says it's like shooting
Speaker 1: tuna and a barrel. Is that a saying? I don't
Speaker 1: know either, Come on, sorc and get your shit together.
Speaker 1: So she arrests Kidman and she's like taking her away,
Speaker 1: and the we see the kid like get out of
Speaker 1: a car with his night with his nurse mom, and
Speaker 1: he takes out a cane and stretches it out because
Speaker 1: the kid is blind. Is that hilarious?
Speaker 3: And they just destroyed his house, by the way, this
Speaker 3: kid who has to get around blind in that.
Speaker 1: House alone, she just leaves her blind ten year old.
Speaker 1: Good luck, little timmy. Don't do anything, Just sit here
Speaker 1: and play your electric keyboard until I get home. It's
Speaker 1: so sad, but also like the kid being blind is
Speaker 1: supposed to be like a ha haa nobody's perfect, I guess.
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 1: Bill Pullman in bb Newarth then go on, They're gonna
Speaker 1: go get a drink, go on an awkward date. I guess.
Speaker 1: Now they're just gonna leave the crime scene and get
Speaker 1: a drink and probably hook up, and Malice's bat shit.
Speaker 2: It's shit, it's bat shit.
Speaker 3: It makes no sense because cocidn't just stay still.
Speaker 2: For like a couple of weeks, just stay still, just
Speaker 2: chill out at.
Speaker 5: The house with the with the with the water, with
Speaker 5: the Uh yeah, like what are you even doing? Like
Speaker 5: it's like if they told you it's gonna be electronic
Speaker 5: deposited in.
Speaker 2: Like two weeks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: And what did she do with Alec Balwin's body?
Speaker 1: She shot him right, Yeah, maybe she threw it off
Speaker 1: the cliff, but we don't get to see that she
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, and there's no way
Speaker 1: she could have No.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's it's it's so fucking ridiculous.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's really watchable.
Speaker 1: It's super watchable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't hold up to scrutiny for sure, No,
Speaker 3: but I found it enjoyable. I mean in nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: three when I rented it, I was like, oh, this
Speaker 3: is fun.
Speaker 1: It is fun, absolutely, Like it's ridiculous. This is why
Speaker 1: I love these movies. I mean I love them when
Speaker 1: they're like really really good but those are few and
Speaker 1: far between, but this one has there's like every role
Speaker 1: is someone you will recognize, right, which is super cool,
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't make sense again, like knowing what we
Speaker 1: know happens at the end, which is that you know
Speaker 1: because there was a whole bunch of these movies in
Speaker 1: the nineties that like crazy bitch movies, you know, basic
Speaker 1: instinct was we talked about so many of them. Jade, right,
Speaker 1: consenting adults. What's the other one? We did, sleep Well
Speaker 1: Sleeping with the enemy, but that was crazy man. But yeah,
Speaker 1: but there's so many, so many. But knowing what we
Speaker 1: know about the ending of this movie, the way she
Speaker 1: behaves early in the movie makes no sense.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 1: Why would she be shitty about Alec Baldwin moving in?
Speaker 1: Don't you want him to move in?
Speaker 3: Like, well, she doesn't want to seem no, I get
Speaker 3: this point, because they're trying to They don't want to
Speaker 3: give away that he's She's fucking Alec Baldwin, so she
Speaker 3: wants it to seem like, hey, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: We only need fourteen thousand dollars and are they going
Speaker 3: to have him in there for fourteen thousand dollars and
Speaker 3: then kick him out. I hope so yeah, but no,
Speaker 3: I at that point that makes sense to me because
Speaker 3: she doesn't want to seem like she's hooking up with
Speaker 3: this guy.
Speaker 1: It's hard to deny it. Chemistry.
Speaker 3: Baby.
Speaker 2: Everybody wanted to work with her at the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like and by the way, it's thirty years later and
Speaker 3: they still do yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well this movie I think late eighties, she did like
Speaker 1: Dead Calm, and like Dead Calm was a really big deal.
Speaker 1: The movie where she's like out on a boat and
Speaker 1: is it Sam Neil is the Yeah, yeah, and she's
Speaker 1: so good in it, and I mean they're all good
Speaker 1: in it. And after that she does I think Tom
Speaker 1: Cruise sees her in that, and then he puts her
Speaker 1: in Days of Thunder. That movie's something else.
Speaker 3: I think she's also a thoracic surgeon in that, which
Speaker 3: is like twenty two.
Speaker 1: She's a baby in that movie. And yeah, and then
Speaker 1: they did Far and Away and that. She's always good.
Speaker 1: Nicole Kidman's always good and she commits like always. But
Speaker 1: this is before she was winning awards, like she hadn't
Speaker 1: done to Die for like, and she's so good in
Speaker 1: that one, like that really puts her and like a
Speaker 1: different class of actress. I guess where. Oh you're gonna
Speaker 1: win stuff now. So she wasn't that yet. She was
Speaker 1: still doing things like Malice, which I mean I like
Speaker 1: things like Malice. So but it's a crazy fucking movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: insanely watchable though, like you said, and everyone everyone's going
Speaker 1: for it. Everyone's going for it. I like that. Do
Speaker 1: you want to hear the other October ninety three movies, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: these all came out the same same month. Cool Runnings,
Speaker 1: Love Cool Runnings. I have never seen cool running. What
Speaker 1: I haven't? It's bananas, right, I should see it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good, okay.
Speaker 1: For love, for love or money? Do you know someone?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I know the name.
Speaker 1: It's Michael J.
Speaker 2: Fox. Yeah, oh, one of his lesser.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Fearless.
Speaker 2: Jeff Bridges yep. Yeah, it's sad.
Speaker 1: It's super sad. I love Jeff Bridges though, and Rosie
Speaker 1: Prez is really really good in it too. Short Cuts.
Speaker 2: I don't like shortcuts at all.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it since the theater, but I remember
Speaker 1: loving the Player so much and then seeing shortcuts and
Speaker 1: being kind of disappointed. But I wonder if I would
Speaker 1: like it more now Demolition Man, Fly Fly, It's got
Speaker 1: young Sandra Bullock, always happy to see her and Gettysburg.
Speaker 1: Did you did you have four hours?
Speaker 2: No? I didn't. I don't think. I'm sure I've seen
Speaker 2: some of it. I think it's on TNT all the time. Yes,
Speaker 2: it was, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: It played at my It played at my theater. It
Speaker 1: was four hours long.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 1: I don't even think it had an intermission either, which
Speaker 1: is cruel, Like that's a long time to ask someone
Speaker 1: to hold it. Uh, I'm sure you ran right out
Speaker 1: and saw mister Nanny.
Speaker 2: Is that? Oh God, damn it. Son, it's a whole movie.
Speaker 1: Yep, it's Hull Cogan, No, thank you. The Beverly Hillbillies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a thing. It was a thing. Rudy
Speaker 2: loved Rudy. Rudy.
Speaker 1: Come on, everyone loves Rudy. Yeah, sorry about your cold
Speaker 1: dead heart. You should see a doctor like Alec Baldwin
Speaker 1: if you have. If you don't love Rudy. Judgment night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know people. I know there are fans of it,
Speaker 3: and it's usually dudes.
Speaker 2: It's I'm not one of them.
Speaker 1: That is accurate. And then finally a nightmare before Christmas.
Speaker 2: Yep, I know that one.
Speaker 1: I'm all that it's a good one. I like that one,
Speaker 1: and it's Calvin. Calvin likes that one. We like to
Speaker 1: watch it around Halloween.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Do you want to hear the top ten songs the
Speaker 3: week this came out first week October ninety three? Yes,
Speaker 3: so Number ten Baby I'm yours shy.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that, but I don't know that one.
Speaker 2: Number nine Soul Asylum Runaway Train.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, you couldn't get away from that song.
Speaker 2: No. Number eight another sad love song, Tony Braxton.
Speaker 1: You and I are big fans. We love the Tony Braxton.
Speaker 2: Number seven Michael Jackson, will You Be There? Oh?
Speaker 1: From uh? Is that the one that's from Free Willie?
Speaker 2: Oh? Maybe that's it?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, this is no. You could not escape this.
Speaker 3: U be forty can't help falling in love with you.
Speaker 1: I don't like you be forty.
Speaker 2: They're not my favorite either.
Speaker 1: I'm not a reggae person and they're reggae esque. Just yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not my thing.
Speaker 3: Number five Janet Jackson, if oh, I love that song?
Speaker 3: Number four This is the uh the album, the last
Speaker 3: album before Billy Joel and Christy Brinkley broke up the.
Speaker 2: River of Dreams. Oh remember she painted the.
Speaker 3: Cover and it's like, but it's about a river and
Speaker 3: dreams because oh so she painted him like next laying
Speaker 3: next to a river and having dreams from his I
Speaker 3: like Christy Brinkley, But girl, come on, I mean it
Speaker 3: was a little on the nose.
Speaker 2: The number three Tag Team, whoop there it.
Speaker 1: Is Tag Team back again?
Speaker 2: So catchy catchy Number two s w V right here
Speaker 2: Human Nature.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that song. I still love that one.
Speaker 2: And number one Mariah Carey dream Lover.
Speaker 1: That's a good one too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love Maria Carrey at this time. This all like
Speaker 1: should always be my baby.
Speaker 2: Yeah. She had nothing but hits, nothing but.
Speaker 1: Hits then true? Dat, my friend? What else are you
Speaker 1: doorking out about?
Speaker 3: I don't know if you watched this or not, because
Speaker 3: it might be a little too close to home.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: But there's a series on Netflix and it's based on
Speaker 3: a movie called The Four Seasons.
Speaker 2: I have Alan Alda.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm kind of interested if you do or not, Okay,
Speaker 3: it's a story. It's based on Alan Alda.
Speaker 6: It's Alan Alda and Carol CAROLTT thank you and Rita
Speaker 6: Moreno and Bess Armstrong Best Best Armstrong Best somewhere whatever
Speaker 6: a Bess there was a there's like, there's this.
Speaker 2: It's about three.
Speaker 3: Couples and they meet, uh spring, summer, fall, winter for
Speaker 3: a vacation, like a weekend vacation, and it's about.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you've never seen this, I haven't, Okay.
Speaker 3: So this is an update and it's so it's an
Speaker 3: eight part thirty minute apiece thing and it's Tina Fey,
Speaker 3: Steve Carell.
Speaker 2: Uh Colman Domingo, Coleman Domingo.
Speaker 1: And Grew Baker Baker, Will will Forte, Will Forte, Macgroober Macgroober.
Speaker 3: And uh, it's it's about and also, god damn it.
Speaker 2: This the woman that's from the state and she was also.
Speaker 1: In Reno and Harry Kinney Silver, Yes, yes.
Speaker 3: And it's about these three couples and they meet and
Speaker 3: then one of the couples breaks up and the and
Speaker 3: it's the husband and it's this is all like in
Speaker 3: the thing, like you'll find in the trailer. So yeah,
Speaker 3: and then he has a new young girlfriend and then
Speaker 3: they go on these vacations and it's like, oh, it
Speaker 3: takes place over the a year and it's eight episodes
Speaker 3: and it's I was up till one in the morning
Speaker 3: watching this because I liked it.
Speaker 2: It was going to happen I did.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm curious as hell what you think. Well,
Speaker 3: it's on my list. I watch it, but I don't
Speaker 3: know if you want to watch it or not. But
Speaker 3: that's going to be up to you.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I I do want to watch it because
Speaker 1: I do like all of those people. And I saw
Speaker 1: scene with in particularly with Coleman Domingo and the man
Speaker 1: who's playing his partner, Yeah, Marco kel Vaney, and the
Speaker 1: scene cracked me up, and I was like, maybe I
Speaker 1: do want to watch this, So I will check one
Speaker 1: out tonight and I will report back to you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know it was a series. For some reason,
Speaker 1: I had it in my head that it was a
Speaker 1: movie like the original movie. So now that I know
Speaker 1: it's just a series, I'll watch a couple.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's very interesting. It's it's some people.
Speaker 3: Some people like it, some people don't like it. Some
Speaker 3: people are especially if you're in your fifties. There's like
Speaker 3: gen X people, it's really gonna hit with us. Different
Speaker 3: the girlfriend, like Steve Carell leaves his wife and then
Speaker 3: they go to on a vacation.
Speaker 2: And these people, I mean it's it's all people with
Speaker 2: a lot of money. Yep. Like they go on vacation
Speaker 2: four times a year at least nice, it must be nice.
Speaker 3: But they yeah, they like they go to the girl,
Speaker 3: the new girlfriend, who's like thirty years old. She has
Speaker 3: them go to like an eco friendly tourist place in Florida,
Speaker 3: and it's next door to the hotel where Steve Carrell's
Speaker 3: wife goes to every year. Yeah, so they're going to
Speaker 3: the same spot, but it's at a different hotel, but
Speaker 3: at their place is super shitty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. Uh yeah, there's gonna be things in here
Speaker 1: I find relatable. For sure.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be like, huh, she's great.
Speaker 3: She's really good. I found myself like do I like
Speaker 3: these people or not?
Speaker 2: Do I? I mean, Coleman Domingo is like a star. This
Speaker 2: is somebody. Yeah, such a star, so charismatic, so funny.
Speaker 2: Everybody's good. I'm gonna say everybody's really good. There was
Speaker 2: a bunch of surprises. I didn't get it.
Speaker 3: I didn't anticipate, which was nice. There's one scene that
Speaker 3: I love that one of the Carrie Carrie.
Speaker 1: Sorry God, carry Kenny Silver, Kenny, Kenny Silver, Carry Kenny Silver.
Speaker 3: She has a boyfriend for one of their vacations. She
Speaker 3: brings a guy and then they're all hanging out and
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, he shows up and he
Speaker 3: drags out of his room an acoustic guitar, and everybody starts.
Speaker 2: Screaming, Oh. It's like, oh my god. They're like, please God.
Speaker 1: No, I've I've been to that party, yes, and we've
Speaker 1: talked about this. We've all been to that party. And
Speaker 1: it's like, you're holding me hostage.
Speaker 3: You were holding me hostage to your unrequite, unrequited dreams
Speaker 3: of whatever you were doing. But it's it's it's it's
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, they're thirty thirty minutes apiece, so
Speaker 3: there's only so much they can go into a couple
Speaker 3: of times where I hear like because of course, I
Speaker 3: go into the chatter on the online and people were like, why.
Speaker 2: Is it they both have so two of the couples.
Speaker 3: Have daughters that are in college, so like twenty twenty
Speaker 3: one years old, and like one of them is really
Speaker 3: fucking upset that her dad.
Speaker 2: Is bringing his girlfriend to her parents weekend, you know, right,
Speaker 2: and he's kind of like, how.
Speaker 1: Could she's being so mean to me?
Speaker 3: It's like, because you fucked up your family, dude, And yeah,
Speaker 3: a price for a while. Yeah, but it's Steve Carell, who,
Speaker 3: by the way, looks great, like they gave him a
Speaker 3: dude glamorous makeover.
Speaker 1: Dude's aging like fine wine, like he's he's better looking
Speaker 1: now than he was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's hot.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: It's annoying, so annoying.
Speaker 3: But but I mean, but yeah, of course somebody would
Speaker 3: be that selfish, would just kind of be like, oh, I've.
Speaker 1: Already said I was sorry, So what are your episode about?
Speaker 2: You know, like something my dad, my dad would have say,
Speaker 2: like it's just go like oh.
Speaker 1: Already I feel bad over just how shitty that this
Speaker 1: is a thing that these couples would do all together.
Speaker 1: And then it's like I'm just gonna bring my new
Speaker 1: person now, yeah.
Speaker 6: And that for her, and and and it's really well.
Speaker 2: I thought it was well written.
Speaker 3: I mean, like you kind of feel for her because
Speaker 3: at one point in a face like I feel bad.
Speaker 3: We're not asking her anything, We're not engaging with her,
Speaker 3: like we're treating her like but.
Speaker 2: But it's still at the same time, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: because a.
Speaker 3: Couple of months ago you were at their twenty fifth
Speaker 3: wedding anniversary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was telling you behind the scenes he
Speaker 2: wants to divorce her.
Speaker 1: That's and the scene.
Speaker 3: And you've been friends with that, yeah, and you've known
Speaker 3: them for almost thirty years. Like so, but if that's
Speaker 3: the thing, it's like, we're all older now, so we
Speaker 3: understand there's like a long history with people. It's it's
Speaker 3: it's it's got more to say, and I they leave
Speaker 3: it kind of a cliffhanger type of thing, like you
Speaker 3: might if there might be a second season.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Alan Alda is in the first episode.
Speaker 3: We love Alan Aldo and I love Alan Olden so
Speaker 3: so much. And then somebody I was reading a review
Speaker 3: and one of them said like, well, they have Sweet
Speaker 3: Liberty and all these other allan ald the movies they
Speaker 3: could do next.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yes, sir, let's do it.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I'm cool with that. We love we love him.
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, that's that's what I'm working out about.
Speaker 1: Well that's a good one. I will I will check
Speaker 1: them out tonight. Should we talk about below deck, yes
Speaker 1: sound under because first of all the guests that they
Speaker 1: have on this week, I was like, are these the
Speaker 1: most fun guests?
Speaker 2: Like they're pretty great.
Speaker 1: They're pretty great, Like they're really fun. I was like,
Speaker 1: I like them.
Speaker 7: But the Lara, what the fuck, like stop being a
Speaker 7: stop being a bitch.
Speaker 3: Like she's she has such control issues and it's so
Speaker 3: not necessary. I mean, you can't control your personality, I guess,
Speaker 3: but she she definitely it's a personality flaw and uh yeah,
Speaker 3: you go, you go, Well.
Speaker 1: She's just being a huge bitch. Like the first of all,
Speaker 1: now that Wihan's gone, they like I guess they need
Speaker 1: a new villain or something. But like they so Laura,
Speaker 1: like she's trying to control like uh sorry the chef, Serena, Serena,
Speaker 1: thank you, you know, the whole thing about like use
Speaker 1: this plate not that plate, Like the way she's kind
Speaker 1: of I see what Serena's saying about the like buying
Speaker 1: the lipstick.
Speaker 2: For her, Yeah yeah, the sous chef.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it is like she is like kind of overstepping.
Speaker 1: She is trying to, like hear, like be one of
Speaker 1: my people, like having her I see what she's doing,
Speaker 1: Like I think it's really obvious what she's doing. And
Speaker 1: the whole thing about like Captain Jason Hunky. Captain Jason
Speaker 1: like her him telling her like let Marina do service,
Speaker 1: and she's like such a bitch about it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: just and he has a good point. He's like, well
Speaker 1: we can't. Bree needs to learn how to do housekeeping too,
Speaker 1: So they all.
Speaker 3: Need to like be able to elevate by the end
Speaker 3: of this the charter season, they should all be able
Speaker 3: to do more than what they came in with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like you she is just so resentful
Speaker 1: of anyone telling I'm not saying telling her what to do,
Speaker 1: but like she doesn't listen. Like even Captain Jason's thing
Speaker 1: is like we they all need to learn these skills.
Speaker 1: We can't just keep her in housekeeping the whole time.
Speaker 1: She needs to learn other things. And bre needs to
Speaker 1: learn other things too, And she's just like if it's
Speaker 1: not broke, why are we fixing it?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And then her relationship with Erena, it's like, just listen,
Speaker 1: if you would listen for five seconds, they could fix this.
Speaker 1: Because Serena and Alicia have had really great, like really
Speaker 1: great communication. It's like, I love how direct Alicia is like, look, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's the problem here, Like, tell me what's going on
Speaker 1: so I can help you fix it and we'll work
Speaker 1: on it together. Like you just need to be a
Speaker 1: clear communicator, and she's handling it beautifully, and Laura's just like,
Speaker 1: doesn't want to communicate, doesn't listen. It's such a shitty
Speaker 1: way to be and it's not a good boss to
Speaker 1: have if you don't know. Like, also, that is it Nick?
Speaker 1: This deckhand that's hooking up with Marina. He's cute. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's really cute and and she's very cute too, So
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, don't be a creep. But it's so
Speaker 1: good as always.
Speaker 2: A Ya, it's a good season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a really good season. And I think
Speaker 1: these guests are really really funny, and I was enjoying
Speaker 1: where they like Harry's all, what are mutton chops? And
Speaker 1: then they gave him some to put them on in
Speaker 1: the confessional and he's like, uh, you know, and the
Speaker 1: producer's like, what do you think something? And he's like,
Speaker 1: I think they're sexy or something, so silly. What else
Speaker 1: is on your list?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Okay, I have two more things? Did you ever watch
Speaker 1: What Not to Wear when it was on back in
Speaker 1: the day, Yes, okay, so there is a new The
Speaker 1: whole thing about What Not to Wear back in the
Speaker 1: day was Stacy London and Clinton Kelly were these like
Speaker 1: fashion people that would give people makeover and they would
Speaker 1: surprise people, like they would like show up at where
Speaker 1: they work or something and be like surprise or getting
Speaker 1: a makeover. And these were always people who, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe they wore sweatpants to the office or mostly busy
Speaker 1: moms to be honest, and then they would give them
Speaker 1: a makeover and really at the end of the makeover,
Speaker 1: everybody would kind of look the same, like they'd be
Speaker 1: were in like the business jacket, like make sure you
Speaker 1: button it, you know, heels, you know, pencil skirts right,
Speaker 1: And it was like and you follow these rules, you know,
Speaker 1: and get things that fit right, and you'll look better
Speaker 1: and you'll feel better and blah blah blah, and it's
Speaker 1: like it's very of its time. Now they have a show.
Speaker 1: It's on Amazon Prime. So if you still have Prime,
Speaker 1: you know, and you want to watch I hate promoting Prime.
Speaker 1: But now they have a show called Where whatever the
Speaker 1: f you want? And they are just like they're not
Speaker 1: surprising anybody, because honestly that now I look back and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's so mean. They like show
Speaker 1: up at their work and they're like you dressed like shit.
Speaker 2: Now it's yeah for make you're fugly, nobody can stand you.
Speaker 2: We're gonna change you. So awful.
Speaker 3: So they first host for that show was this guy
Speaker 3: with long hair. Yes he was horrible, Yeah, he was horrible.
Speaker 3: And Stacy actually used to attend the gym where I
Speaker 3: taught in car really really sweet.
Speaker 2: Oh that's really really nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she's gone. It's so funny. They've both you know,
Speaker 1: it's been like twenty years since they did that show,
Speaker 1: so they both changed a lot. And like Clinton has
Speaker 1: very much like dad energy now where he's just like
Speaker 1: dad puns and whatnot. And then State and now Stacy's gay,
Speaker 1: like married and to a woman and like isn't I
Speaker 1: don't know, she's just dresses more funky and like they're
Speaker 1: just more comfortable in their skin, you know, as you
Speaker 1: all as we all should be when we get older.
Speaker 1: So they don't surprise people. These are people who want help.
Speaker 1: They're like I always want like I want this kind
Speaker 1: of style. But I don't know how to make it happen,
Speaker 1: and so they bring these people in, Like they bring
Speaker 1: in like this woman who is like I've always her
Speaker 1: for it's the first episode, and she's like, I want
Speaker 1: to be like a powerhouse diva. I want to be
Speaker 1: like Cookie from Empire or that's her thing, and they're like, oh, okay.
Speaker 1: So they pull these clothes that kind of make you
Speaker 1: look like whatever your fantasy is, and then you go
Speaker 1: out that night with them and like try out your
Speaker 1: fantasy outfit. And then the next day they bring in
Speaker 1: like your you know, your husband, your wife, your best friend, whatever,
Speaker 1: and you show them the look and then you it
Speaker 1: like brings you back to reality. So it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe dressing like Cookie from Empire every day isn't doable
Speaker 1: when I have to like pick up my kid at
Speaker 1: school or something. So then you they like bring it
Speaker 1: down to a like I don't know, more realistic.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 1: Everyone's every episode is just so happy and joyful and
Speaker 1: like trying to help people like get the style that
Speaker 1: really suits them and give them what they want, Like
Speaker 1: closers they should be fun. They don't. I mean, you
Speaker 1: don't have to you can wear whatever you want. That's
Speaker 1: the whole point of the show. But it also can
Speaker 1: be fun. It can be a fun way to show
Speaker 1: what you're like on the inside but on the outside,
Speaker 1: and I think that's what the show is doing. So
Speaker 1: that I've watched three or four episodes now and way
Speaker 1: more diverse than they were back in the day too,
Speaker 1: so it's like, you know, different races. They had like
Speaker 1: a trans a trans person on there on one of
Speaker 1: the episodes, and that person's all about androgyny, so like
Speaker 1: dressing for that was really interesting. It's just really really
Speaker 1: fun and they're like forty two minutes and it's on
Speaker 1: Amazon Prime, so I think it's worth watching. I'll watch
Speaker 1: ten more seasons because I love a makeover show. What
Speaker 1: else is on my list? Are you watching The Valley Now?
Speaker 1: It's trash? It is trash. I am watching it because
Speaker 1: I'm I hate myself. No, I don't know, because I
Speaker 1: watch vander Pump Rules and these are spinoffs from that.
Speaker 1: But Bravo loves to platform shitty men. They're really good
Speaker 1: at that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't watched Bravo as long as you have,
Speaker 1: so but from what I've seen of watching like old
Speaker 1: I've been watching the old seasons of vander Pump Rules.
Speaker 1: They never hold old men accountable the way they hold
Speaker 1: women accountable right on this show, and The Valley is
Speaker 1: a very good example of that. That is, the spin
Speaker 1: off from The Valley is technically a spinoff of vander
Speaker 1: Pump Rules and Jax Taylor. This man, Jax Taylor, is
Speaker 1: the connection. Jax Taylor is a piece of shit. He
Speaker 1: was a piece of shit on vander Pump Rules who
Speaker 1: cheated on everybody, lies, just lies all the time, not
Speaker 1: even allegedly, like was a cocaine addict, drinks too much,
Speaker 1: was stealing from his job, like a very bad person.
Speaker 1: And they're like, we have a good idea. Let's give
Speaker 1: him his own let's spin off The Valley where it's
Speaker 1: all these it's not single people working in a restaurant,
Speaker 1: it's married people who all live in the valley. So
Speaker 1: what's sad about the show is these are all grown
Speaker 1: ass people with mortgages and kids and they're still behaving
Speaker 1: like assholes. And he's the worst one, and this show's
Speaker 1: he checked himself into rehab, but he doesn't finish. At
Speaker 1: one point, he's like throwing furniture around that hits his wife. Yeah,
Speaker 1: their son is like almost three years old. He's autistic,
Speaker 1: Like the kid is afraid of him. When he shows up,
Speaker 1: the kid runs away like it's really fucking sad, and
Speaker 1: he can He's still on the show, and I was like,
Speaker 1: it boggles my mind that they continue to platform this.
Speaker 1: I'm like, he shouldn't be making money off of this.
Speaker 1: This is fucked up. It is fucked up. And I'm
Speaker 1: really she's she's left him, like she's in the process
Speaker 1: of getting a divorce. He's also a textbook like narcissist.
Speaker 1: Like it's really, really, really shitty. And then the other
Speaker 1: men on the show, almost all of them are shitty too.
Speaker 1: It's Bravo, What the fuck for a network that has
Speaker 1: an audience that's predominantly women and gay people like do better?
Speaker 1: What the fuck? But I won't even get into it anymore.
Speaker 1: I do want to mention one more thing. There's a
Speaker 1: movie called The Order that came out last year that
Speaker 1: I finally got around to watching, and it's with Jude Law.
Speaker 1: It's set in the late seventies and he moves to
Speaker 1: He's an FBI agent who moves to Washington to break
Speaker 1: up like a religious sect there that's like super it's
Speaker 1: basically the Klan, but not the Klan. It's like a
Speaker 1: religious sect that's like the Klan. And the leader of
Speaker 1: that is Nicholas Holt from he was in Fury Road,
Speaker 1: he was in jur number two. He was the lead
Speaker 1: in jur number two. Oh okay, he's the one who's
Speaker 1: leading this like religious sect and it's about like him
Speaker 1: working with the local police trying to like break up
Speaker 1: this it's a cult, but also like basically the Klan.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised more people weren't talking about this movie when
Speaker 1: it came out last year. I think it's really good.
Speaker 1: So it's streaming on Hulu and I think people should
Speaker 1: definitely check it out. And obviously, like everyone else in
Speaker 1: the world, I saw Sinners and it's amazing and people
Speaker 1: should go see it in the theater if they can,
Speaker 1: because it's it takes advantage of that big screen, so
Speaker 1: very very good. I think we might have talked about
Speaker 1: that one on the show before though. That's plenty of
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