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Speaker 1: The following presentation is Del Marvis Studio's production.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network.

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Speaker 1: Here is your host, George Hobbs.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time

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for a special presentation of the fact on our podcast

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on this Tuesday, December two, twenty twenty five. I hope

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everybody had a great Thanksgiving and a nice long, relaxing

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Thanksgiving weekend as well. Today special presentation for you. We

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are interviewing Sally Who do you are? He is the

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Foreign Minister of the East Turkestan government in exile. He's

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an advocate for East Turkestan independence. I know many of

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you probably recall prior to COVID kicking off in twenty twenty,

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this story made international news. The plight of the Wigers

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and just all of the crimes against humanity that is

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going on led by the CCP. And again this made

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international news in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, and then COVID

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happened and like so many other stories that just fell

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by the wayside. Very interesting interview, a lot of insight

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from mister Judiar who is working Tyler tirelessly to bring

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you know, to free his people. So I hope you

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enjoyed the interview and we'll see you on the other side.

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Many of you remember in twenty nineteen, and we've mentioned

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this a few times on the podcast, the plight of

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the Wigers and what they were going through, and it

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made international news. However, a flow a flu broke out

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and their plate was kind of put off to the side.

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So we'd like to welcome mister Hudiar to the podcast,

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and if you would, sir, could you kind of share

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your story how you came to the United States and

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what early experience has shaped your identity and your political conviction.

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Speaker 1: Sir, yes, personally, thank you. I was born actually in

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East Takistan back in nineteen ninety three, so I'm quite young.

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I was born in a predominantly weaker town in the

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southwest of East Takistan near the Kyrgyzstan border, a town

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called Atouche. And growing up in my town at that time,

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there was no Chinese suttlers or no Chinese colonists. The

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only Chinese that we would see was the Chinese military

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that would, you know, come in once a week and

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you know, put up a show of force like you

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could say, a patrol My first encounter with the Chinese

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government was in nineteen ninety seven, so right when I'm

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barely even four years old, China began to crack down

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on our nascent or resurging independence movement. And the reason

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for this is after the fall of the Soviet Union,

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the western part of Turkistan or what used to be

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Turkstan became independent as Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, with Pakistan and so forth.

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So this gave hope that you know, we too could

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become independent again. And so this led to you know,

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large scale demonstrations, civil acts of civil disobedience and demands

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for independence throughout from nineteen ninety one all the way

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to nineteen ninety seven. And in February of nineteen ninety seven,

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the Chinese government carried out a large scale massacre to

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suppress a peaceful demonstration in Rulja, which is in northwest

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And after that, around the same time, the Chinese government

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began to launch a so called strike hard campaign in

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which they started against which they claimed was against national separatism.

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So they began to raid our homes arrest anyone that

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they suspected of being a so called separatist, anyone who's

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you know, wants East Pakistan independence. They raided our home

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as well because one of my relatives ended up what

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was seen or reported to be seen by a neighbor

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or someone else, of reading a so called separatist book,

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a book about our history, our history when we were

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an independent nation, which is banned. So they raided our

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house in the middle of the night searching for this book.

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Then they imprisoned him. And this was my first encounter.

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Was during the night, they you know, put their rifles,

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pointed their Ak forty seven's at everyone's head, including mine,

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threatening to kill us if he didn't contest to his crime.

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So that was my first experience with the Chinese government.

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I didn't know my father at the time. My father

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had fled in nineteen ninety five following protests across in

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East Tarkistan. He fled the country into Central Asia, and

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by nineteen ninety eight he ended up here in the

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United States. So China began to essentially crack down, you know,

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lay the foundations for what became the ongoing genocide that

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we see today in the nineties, in the late nineties,

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especially following CCP Document number seven, which is a top

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secret directive issued by the CCP Pulp Bureau Standing Committee

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the top seven members uh, you know, top seven leaders

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of the Chinese Commerce Party on preventing East tar Kistan's independence.

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East Tarkistan, more Chinese military deployments in East tra Kistan,

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suppressing our culture, our religion, our historical you know, uh

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texts to even you know, waging a campaign of propaganda

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to demonize and to alienate and marginalize our independence movement

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in the international community, to including infiltrating our diaspora organizations,

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winning over most of them to China's side, and then

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using all means literally this is the text of directive

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uh of document numbers and using all means to prevent

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the inter nationalization of the East Pakistan problem, highlighting that

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East Pakistan independence was the greatest threat to China's so

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called security stability, et cetera. And they accused, even at

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that time, they accused the United States or Western counter

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revolutionary forces led by the United States of supporting you know,

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national separatism or East Pakistan independence, even though that was

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not the case. So, of course China is paranoid of

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you know, the US and others of supporting of potentially

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supporting our independence movement, which if the US did, it

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would be it would be you know, you would think

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you would see change in the situation, we would be

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able to achieve our independent So my father fled to

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the US in nineteen ninety eight, and in two thousand

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and with the help of the US embassy in Beijing,

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we were able to get visus to reunite with my

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father period and we ended up moving. My father lived

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in Oklahoma, so we ended up coming to Oklahoma immediately

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after we came. So this is my father played a

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pivotal role in my upbringing in the sense that immediately

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after he took us from Dallas, Fort Worth picked us up,

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took us to his apartment. He sat us down and

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he said, I want you to remember, well, I want

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you guys to not forget where you came from. And

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I want to explain to you why I brought you

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guys here. I brought you guys here so you could

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become educated and you could do the things that I

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couldn't do. That so you can one day return to

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our homeland to free our homeland and our people. And

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so he explained our history. Are you know that we

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were an independent nation before? And essentially he wanted both

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my older brother and I to be military officers. That

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was his dream as well. So he was too. He

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was you know, he tried to enlist when he came

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to the US because but when he because of his age,

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he was like thirty something at the time, and then

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he had like four kids. So they're like, sorry, dude,

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I can't h you have too many kids. Yeah, I

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can't help you here. So I my brother ended up

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joining the Navy, and he I think he's up. He

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ended up doing I think special Forces. My older brother, myself,

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I wanted to I wanted to do the army. I

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ended up joining the Oklahoma Army National Guard while doing

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ROTC at the university. And then during that period, my

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I during training, actually it was when I was forebetting

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that I had an emergency appendectomy and then when they

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did a scan of my abdomen and body and they

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discovered I had like kidney stones and so that and

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I ended up turning into policist to kidney disease, and

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that's what killed off my military career. So I ended

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up studying international studies and political science at the University

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of Oklahoma. And then around that time, as I'm finishing

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up college, you know, my bachelors, our family members were

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losing contact with our family members. In each circust, our

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people are being thrown into are being thrown into concentration camps.

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this starts to really get some international attention or it's

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starting to be noticed, even though China has started this

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as early as twenty twenty twelve twenty thirteen. Officially, China

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launched its ongoing campaign of genocide as the so called

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People's War following Hijinping's visit to East Cirkistan in April

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of twenty fourteen, in late April of twenty fourteen and

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where he visited Chinese paramilitary basis and stated that you know,

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this is the front line of so called terrorism, a

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China's fight against terrorism, and that China needs to show

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absolutely no mercy. This is where he makes that famous

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speech of showing no mercy and arresting and alienating an approved,

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approveding us from our roots, and crushing those who need

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to be crushed. And so this is what launched the

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genocidal campaign and over the years by twenty eighteen, by

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the summer of twenty eighteen, the United States government began

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to slowly, you know, start speaking out, and at first

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at the UN where they highlighted that millions of our

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people were being thrown into these concentration camps with China

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called re education centers. Then by twenty nineteen, even the

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Pentagon or the US War now War Department released in

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their reports stated that you know, they believe that at

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least accord according to their assessment, anywhere from three to

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four million US and other Turkic peoples had been thrown

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into concentration camps China. This is when you know, there

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was some attention in twenty nineteen an early twenty twenty,

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and China itself denied this of course and claims that

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you know, they're providing us with re education and vocational training.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, isn't that interesting When you hear about the re

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education camps around the world, people just say they're conspiracy theories.

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But when I was doing my research what the whiggers

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were dealing with in uh what was what's the area

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in China where they're mostly is it Xingjiang? Is that

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how it's pronounced.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the the Chinese they renamed these Turkistan to shin yioan,

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which means in the Chinese language, it means the new

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territory or the new frontier.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that makes sense. And just so people know, it

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is to be a wig. Or does that mean you

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were Sunni.

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Speaker 1: Islam majority of our people, yeah, practice Sunni Islam.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So would you say that this whole persecution

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and are these numbers? I'm just looking on Wikipedia, so

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forgive me, but eleven million? Does that sound correct in China?

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Speaker 1: So China claims that we are about eleven million, but

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that's far from the fact disputed. In the fact that

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you know, we believe our number is much higher based

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on historical data. When we were in an independent country

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in nineteen forty six, our government stated our population was

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seven million in nineteen forty. December nineteen forty nine, after

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malth took over East tar Kaistan, in a letter he

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wrote to Stalin, he stated that there were nine million

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Turkic peoples in East Pakistan. Similarly, in twenty eighteen, Chinese

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state media shin Hua, which is their official state media,

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they reported that between twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen, they

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collected the DNA samples, voiceprints, and retina scans of thirty

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six million so called minorities meaning non Chinese peoples anyone

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that's not Han Chinese they label as minorities in so

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called Hinjong in East Turkistan between the ages of twelve

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and sixty five. So, if you have thirty six million

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between the ages of twelve and sixty five who are

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non Chinese, and we are the overwhelming majority in East

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Turkistan of all the turk ethnic groups ninety of the

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Turkic ethnic groups as so, out of that, you can

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assess that the true population is somewhere around forty thirty

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five at least forty million, wow, with all the other

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Turkic people combined, probably forty five million. Of course, China

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downplays our number historically, they've always downplayed it for key reasons. One,

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it's to you know, make us feel like, you know,

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to feel like a so called minority. Two, it is

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to deny and to deprive of which it has been doing,

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our right to self determination. You're an ethnic minority. Ethnic

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minorities don't have those rights to national self determination. This

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type of narrative because again, if you think of it,

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how can you keep a population of thirty forty forty

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million people under you know, deprive them of their rights.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've done some research and it seems to

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me that there's a lot more going on in these

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internment camps, concentration camps than just re education. I've read

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reports of for sterilization of oregon harvesting and a forced

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labor as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is this is precisely why they collected

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our DNA samples as part of the organ harvesting. They

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want to match it to potential donors. You know, this

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is if you look at China's organ harvesting data prior

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to twenty fourteen, there is about five to six thousand

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oregon transplants happening in China. Post twenty fourteen, after w

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it's skyrocket to over fifty thousand. Experts like organ experts

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on oregon harvesting, like Ethan Goodman, he conducted a lot

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of research on this and focus using China's own data

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and using you know, other data that he found, like

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for example, the fact that our organs are being sold off,

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like you can buy quote halal organs. Wealthy Muslims can

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go to China and buy halal organs. Where are these

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halal organs coming from, obviously, you know, not not from

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the Chinese. It's coming from the Wi Wars, because the

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were the Muslim population in the circus on that China

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is killing China's government also, you know, specially in East Cirkustan.

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and you can only find these lanes only in East Pakistan.

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East Takistan. That says for organ transplants, only special lanes

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at the airport. They started building crematorium post twenty thirteen,

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they started building crematoriums across Eastern Kistan. We're predominantly Muslim

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majority people. We don't cremate our dead, we always bury them.

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But China began building these crematoriums across East tur Kistan

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more than any part of its own, you know, actual China.

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So there's that our people in these camps. China's own

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official white paper from twenty twenty September twenty twenty claims

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that they sent every year between twenty fourteen to twenty nineteen,

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they sent one point twenty nine million people per year

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or seven point eight million people from twenty fourteen to

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twenty nineteen to re education and vocational training and provided

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them with jobs and uplifted them from poverty, and that

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they uplifted three and a half million people from poverty

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and provided them with stable jobs, which means they're enslaving

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three and a half million of our people as forced

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labor across these various factories inside East Tarkustan and across

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you know, China. This is what this is the aspect

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in the camps, people are being tortured. You know, anyone

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who refuses to denounce their own ethnic, religious identity and

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worship the CCP worship the Chinese state is tortured. Our

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women are being are systematically raped in these In these camps,

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a lot of our people are dying, whether it's from

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torture or from oregon use me from organ lessia alogies

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from organ harvesting, or from you know, disease in these

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camps through tuberculosis and other other disease.

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Speaker 3: That's let me ask you this, do you believe this

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is a targeted religious aspect or is it just anyone

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who is not like us is going to be persecuted.

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Speaker 1: It's not about religion. That's one thing that we need

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to make very clear. It's not solely about religion. It's

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about occupying control over our land and our resources. We're

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not Chinese. That's the basis of it, is the fact

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that we are not Chinese. Because there are Chinese Muslims.

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There are ethnically Chinese Muslims. In fact, there's ten fifteen

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million of them called Ways. Physically they look Chinese, but

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they practice Islam and they are not being targeted. Why

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because again, those they are in China, they're ethnically Chinese.

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The Chinese government doesn't have any fear of you know,

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them ever wanting to break apart or wanting to be

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free from Chinese rule because it's their own people or

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as East Turkistan as the Chinese call it, Shinjong, which

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literally translates as the new territory. It's new to China.

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It's being colonized by China. So China has this fear

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that if they don't eradicate us, that we will rise

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up and that we will get our independence back. This

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is the fear and precisely, actually it's more than that.

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If you know anything about China's Belton Road initiative, East

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Turkistan is the cornerstone of China's Belton Road initiative. Without

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an East Turkistan, there is no Belton Road. And you

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gotta look into why China unveiled the Belton Road. It's

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not solely about you know, development and trade as China

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portrays it. It's actually has a more in the furious

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military role. And the reason for this is we can

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go back. You can find it on YouTube. It's a

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lecture at China's National Defense University that took place in

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November of two thousand and nine. It's about the future.

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The Chinese title is the dismemberment of China by the

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United States two thousand and thirty or the future war

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between the United States and China, which they speculate will

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happen around twenty thirty. And in that the Chinese leaders

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say the Chinese military strategies are like, what is the

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biggest weaknesses that we have right now? What is preventing

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us from taking Taiwan? And they all, you know, they

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all try to figure this out. Of course they know

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the answer, the telling it to their audience, which is

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senior military officers and government officials and intelligence officers, and

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they're all few different things. You know, Oh, we're not

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economically sufficient enough. Oh we're you know, the US would

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support Taiwan. Oh we're not militarily capable enough. And then

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the key lecturer, Daishu, who later became the head of

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the Chinese National Defense University. He's a PLA Air Force general.

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He says, No, it's the East Takistan problem. This is

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the biggest issue that we have. This is the biggest

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thing that is preventing US from taking over Taiwan. Because

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he states in that this is November two thousand and nine.

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He states, if he pulls up the map of Chinese's look,

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if we were to launch an invasion of Taiwan, the

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first thing the United States is going to do is,

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whether it's teaming up with India or Japan, they will

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blockade the Strait of Malacca, which is a narrow strait

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in close to China in the Southeast Asia, where eighty

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percent of China's trade. Sea based trade goes through the

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Strait of Malacca. Eighty percent of their oil natural gas

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imports go through the Strait of Malacca. And you need

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energy to wage war. You know, if you don't have

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the fuel, you won't be able to sustain a long

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war effort. And he highlights that he said they will

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they will block this. So our option to deter this,

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to circumnavigate this would be to go through land, would

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be through implementing and bringing in and conducting our trade

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and oil imports and natural gas, et cetera through land,

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and that is through East Takastan. And the reason that

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this is a big problem is because the people here,

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they're not Chines. If the United States and China were

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to go to war, the United States could easily armed,

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this is what they said, could easily arm three hundred

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thousand to half a million. We would overnight and they

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would cut off our west to east pipelines and we

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would lose that war. This is why this is a

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strategic issue, and this is why we He states that

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China needs to address this immediately, and he said, on

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the surface, we're going to play it off as counter terrorism.

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This is the best way to, you know, convince the

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international community to do. What we need to do is

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to play it off as counter terrorism, but of course

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we know that's not true. He states it openly. Then

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he goes on praising Osama bin Laden for keeping America

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busy for eight years and giving China the opportunity to develop,

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and states that you know he would have awarded been

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Laden if he had been you know, if if he

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if the Chinese leaders had asked him for his advice,

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he would have It has been all these types of things.

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But this is where the Belton Road Initiative starts. So

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in twenty thirteen, changing thing unbuilds the Belton Road initiative

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because again, what is the Belton Road. It's about key

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strategic control over key strategic ports, railways and pipelines. It's

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too you know, China's preparing for war and they want

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to ensure that they have happened. They have a backup

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plan absolutely, and thes we historically, you know, we have

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We unlike the Tibetans, we're not. We're not so much

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as pacifists in the in that sense, right, we we

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will fight, we will rebel, which we have. We have.

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In fact, over the past seventy six years there's been

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over two hundred cases according to the Chinese government zone

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data of you know, uh mass protests, including dozens of

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cases of armed attempted armed uprisings over the past seventy

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six years. So they know that we will we will

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fight back if we are given that opportunity. And this

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is why they want to ensure that there is no

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possibility of us being even considered in the event that

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war does break out, of being even considered as a

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flank against China when that conflict with the United States

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or whatever power between China and whatever power over Taiwan

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or over even you know, China's eyeing parts of Siberia,

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so they might invade Russia as well, So we don't

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we don't know. So this is what it's about. So

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this is why they are targeting our people because they

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know that their own Chinese people are going to remain

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loyal to the Chinese state. This is why in the

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concentration camps they force everyone to they indoctrinate them and

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urged them to you know, they pressured them, tortured them

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to swear loyalty to the Chinese state and the Chinese

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Commerce Party, and not alonely with that over they took

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over a million of our children from their parents and

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put them up into so called state run boarding schools,

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but which are essentially internment camps for children. H China

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actually in prior to like in the early two thousands,

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had it initiated a so called bilingual program to kill

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because this is part of Document number seven calls for

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that approoding of our culture and linguist language and religion,

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and in that by so called bilingual program. The reason

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they call it bilingual is from elementary all the way

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to high school, it's Chinese. After you graduate high school,

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then you can choose to learn Wiger in college if

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you want. By that time you're in dat fully in

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doctor nate, you're not going to want to learn your

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own language. But the problem with this was, at the

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end of the day, even though you force them to

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learn Chinese at schools, at the end of the day,

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they're returning to their families. They're returning to their own homes.

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They're returning to their parents who speak weager with them,

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who keep you know who you know. Despite the aspects

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of them being trying to be cynicized and simulated to

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become Chinese at schools, their parents still you know, pressure

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them and say, hey, speak, we will this is our

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culture where this you know, still teach them that. So

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to to overcome that, They're like, oh, we have this problem.

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We're still not effectively assimilating these people, these their children.

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So what do we do? We separate them. This is

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what the Chinese government did. It. Over a million of

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our children have been forcibly separated. And we're talking about

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kids as young as two three, like three four years old, toddlers.

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We didn't have pre ks. They're from pre k all

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the way to high school. All of our kids are

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taken from their families to become fully assimilated as Chinese,

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to become the Chinese government states. They're transforming them into

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loyal Chinese citizens. And you'll see Chinese state media and

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Chinese videos where our children weak gred children we're talking

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about toddlers are being instructed by Chinese military officers, soldiers,

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and they're being dressed in Chinese military miniature PLA uniforms

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and vowed. You know, they're all screaming oats to become

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the future soldiers of China, to fight against the Americans,

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to fight against the so called foreign imperialists, and to

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fight against the so called terrorists, meaning our own people.

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This is the uh, the indoctrination that they are undertaking

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on that level, all of our youth, especially our young men,

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anyone that's of military age, the Chinese have essentially put

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into either using them for oregon harvesting or take him

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off out of East Pakistan, putting him into factories across

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China to dilute them. Across our borders. If you can

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see the map behind me, we border Pakistan, India, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Russia, Mongolia, Tibet.

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We have a border with nine different you know, nine

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different independent countries right now. And so because China again

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is paranoid because of that fear, they've relocated our people

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two hundred kilometers. Like so, if there we were towns,

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many of them have been ethnically cleansed. Chinese soldiers who

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went on these ethnic cleansing operations they testified about this

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how they undertook, you know, how they undertook secret missions

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where they ethnically cleansed the entire you know, the villages

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of yours in the mountainous areas near the borders two

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hundred kilometers all of within two hundred kilometers of our borders.

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They've displaced us of our people and replaced them with

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Chinese settlers because again they're fearful that if war breaks out,

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some force is going to come from the West, so

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they want to ensure that it's the Chinese people that

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you know, they're peel paramilitary force the XPEC that intercept them,

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and not our own people who would then welcome those forces,

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you know, and join them to fight against China.

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Speaker 3: So here's the million dollar question for you. Our government,

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pardon me, is one hundred percent aware of not just

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what's going on with the plight of your people, but

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the forced labor, the stories of the child labor that

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they work seven days, twelve hour shifts, almost like in

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little camps. Yet our government in riches China. I think

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they're responsible for close to twenty percent of the total

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value of US imports. So where does the government walk

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the line between you know, fiscal responsibility and moral responsibility.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean the United States government has the will

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Forced Labor Prevention Act. We have this law which prevent

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was supposed to prevent goods produced with the slave labor

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of ers from coming into the US and to a

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certain extent it has, but China again has circumnavigated this

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because it only focuses on goods coming out of East Takistan.

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So what China is doing is they're transferring our people

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into Chinese provinces where they are you know, being used

475
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as slaves. And so those made in China products the

476
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,159
origin is not so called Shinjiang or East Rakistan but

477
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,320
x y z Chinese province. So this is the way

478
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,559
that China continues to keep plotting it. Then you have

479
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:23,119
you know, multinational corporations like Apple, Amazon, GM, all of

480
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:30,400
these various virtually every industry that are involved in in

481
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,920
you know, forced labor, that are using these supply chains,

482
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:38,760
and so they are lobbying the US government to you know,

483
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,639
take a softer stance on China to let them continue

484
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:47,440
to do business as usual. And so this is why

485
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,840
the US government is being ineffective in its response. But

486
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:54,679
most importantly, nobody is really addressing the root of the issue.

487
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:59,679
Because again, as as as I stated the root of

488
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,000
the shoe, we're not Chinese Muslims, as like the media

489
00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:08,039
falsely portrays us. We're not ethnically, religiously culturally any but

490
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:11,239
related to the Chinese in any way. In fact, we're

491
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,840
not even racially Asian. We're more Indo European. We're more uh,

492
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,960
you know, ethnically, we're an Indo European people. So this

493
00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:25,079
is this is the problem. It's the issue is rooted

494
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,840
in Chinese colonization and occupation of these sort of stuff,

495
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,280
and that's why this is the aspect that needs to

496
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:39,360
be also uh invoked. We need to also push for

497
00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:45,559
a political solution using established international uh you know laws

498
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,800
such as you know, the right to self determination, decolonization

499
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:56,280
uh granting of independence, to call colonial peoples and occupied

500
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:02,239
nations to you know, upholding the Genocide Convention the US

501
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,920
officially recognizes to this day. Since twenty twenty one, they've

502
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,519
recognized what China is doing to our people as genocide

503
00:36:10,599 --> 00:36:13,800
en crimes against humanity. The UN called it crimes against humanity.

504
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,559
Other governments across the world called it genocide and crimes

505
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:22,599
against humanity. Yet nothing is being done because again corporate

506
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:27,480
interests are getting involved. But what they're not understanding is

507
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:31,719
that by failing to act against what China is doing

508
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,760
in East turkas On, the United States and these Western

509
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,039
countries are actually losing their own competitive edge, because what.

510
00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 4: Is China doing.

511
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: It's flooding the global market with cheap goods. How are

512
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these goods being able to be produced so cheaply when

513
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:53,239
the cost of labor in China when the average salary

514
00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:58,880
of a Chinese worker they're making about fourteen fifteen thousand

515
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,119
dollars a year, So we're we're not this is not

516
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,320
the China of thirty years ago that where the average

517
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,519
salary was two thousand dollars a year. They've caught up.

518
00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:11,000
So how are they doing this because again they're using

519
00:37:11,039 --> 00:37:15,000
our people as slaves to produce these products. A lot

520
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:18,159
of Western companies are going out of business because they

521
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,760
can't compete every industry China. Virtually every industry, from the

522
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:29,480
automobile industry to you know, the electrical electric vehicle industry,

523
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:34,559
to solar panel industry, to computer industry, to the phone industry,

524
00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:40,239
to even the AI industry. The Chinese are stealing Western

525
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,360
technology and then producing a copy of that and then

526
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,960
exporting that to the world, killing off virtually entire Western economies.

527
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,920
So by temporarily, you know, for that selfish temporary gain.

528
00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:01,320
Not only are these companies complicit in genocide, colonialism of

529
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,320
you know, East Takistan and the Ugur people and the

530
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,440
slave slabler of our people, the slaveman of our people.

531
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,000
But they're complicit in their own downfall and in the

532
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:17,440
downfall of Western societies as well in Western government. So

533
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:21,719
this is why the United States needs to support. It's

534
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:27,199
in the US national interest both economically, politically, and morally

535
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,760
to support you know, an independent East Turkistan because without

536
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:39,519
without again, without East Takistan, China is much much weaker.

537
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,079
There is no Belton Road. You kill off the Belton

538
00:38:42,159 --> 00:38:46,320
road right there. Secondly, East Takistan makes up roughly one million,

539
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,679
eight hundred and eighteen square kilometers, or about one fifth

540
00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:54,079
of the total territories of what is now known as

541
00:38:54,159 --> 00:38:56,360
the People's Republic of China or the area is under

542
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,920
the control of the People's Republic of China. We are

543
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,440
we make up over forty percent of China's oil and

544
00:39:03,559 --> 00:39:07,159
natural gas reserve that the PRC claims that they have

545
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,760
forty percent of that is from East Kakistan. Over sixty

546
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,639
percent of their coal reserves is from East Rakistan. We

547
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:21,320
also have, you know, a lot of critical minerals, which

548
00:39:21,519 --> 00:39:25,719
again is becoming key in today's industry because critical minerals

549
00:39:26,119 --> 00:39:30,280
is necessary for creating everything from you know, weapon systems,

550
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,920
advanced weapons systems, to the chips that we need for

551
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,119
the very computers and bones that we use day to

552
00:39:38,199 --> 00:39:42,199
day every day. And all of that again is in

553
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:47,599
East Turkistan. And this is why China is so reluctant

554
00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:51,760
to lose control over East Turkistan is because without an

555
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,079
East Turkistan, you know, even if they didn't go to war,

556
00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:02,519
without without East Turkistan, China would be severely you know,

557
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:09,199
we can economically and politically because again, our electricity, the

558
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,840
electricity from East Turkistan powers over one hundred and twenty

559
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:19,119
Chinese cities in twenty Chinese provinces, in actual provinces of China.

560
00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:23,559
We are their industrial base. Even from a military perspective,

561
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,239
you might have heard or read about it President Trump

562
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,320
saying that, oh, you know, I need to get background

563
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,880
back or the US needs to get background air force

564
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:38,519
based back, because it's an hour away from where China

565
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:44,400
builds its nuclear missiles. That's in East Turkistan. China is

566
00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:50,280
all a majority of China's nuclear missile intercontentabilistic missile silos.

567
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:57,480
It's actually also it's AI databases and farms are all

568
00:40:57,559 --> 00:41:00,599
in East Takistan because the reason China Kina did that

569
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,599
is again, it's preparing for a war in the Indo Pacific,

570
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,559
so it wants to push everything further away to where

571
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,199
if war does break out, it'll be they think it'll

572
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,519
be much harder for the US to strike those, you know,

573
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:22,960
critical facilities. But from a military perspective, again, East Takistan

574
00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:27,280
is strategically vital for all reasons to weaken China. This

575
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,599
is eastern independent. East Takistan is the best but for

576
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,639
the United States, and not just for the United States,

577
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,519
but for virtually any country that wants to break free

578
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,400
from you know, China's choke, because China is choking the

579
00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:45,280
globe right now. It's choking every industry. Every country is

580
00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:51,199
either becoming reliant on China or they are being coerced

581
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,119
by China to where you know, a lot of countries,

582
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,920
especially neighboring countries, whether it's like countries of Central Asia,

583
00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:04,480
small countries, they're essentially becoming de facto vassal states of China.

584
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 3: Now, this is all really fascinating to me, and the

585
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,519
fact that I'm pretty aware of the military strategies that

586
00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:12,239
go around the world. I was in the military for

587
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,519
twenty four years, and I spent five and a half

588
00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:18,079
years in the Middle East, and I've never heard anyone

589
00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:22,760
mentioned East Turkestan as a strategic asset for China and

590
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,199
the way you're describing it. And it's fascinating because if

591
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,199
they do happen to try to take to Wan Taiwan,

592
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,239
pardon me, then obviously that's going to be a secondary

593
00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:38,039
logistic route for them to get their their supplies. Is

594
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:42,440
there any politicians here in the US that are truly

595
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,000
helping your cause or are they doing the normal politicians

596
00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:47,800
thing where they smile, shake your hand and then go

597
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:48,480
about their day.

598
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:57,159
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, the few ones that did truly support our cause

599
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,280
they are no longer you know memor of Congress or

600
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,440
that they have, you know, thee they have died, they're

601
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:11,719
no longer living. Unfortunately. The rest, I mean, yes, they

602
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:12,960
talk about our issue.

603
00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:14,039
Speaker 2: You know, you have.

604
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 1: You had Secretary Rubio, who's are When he was the Senator,

605
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,960
he was our biggest champion. But since he became secretary,

606
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,159
he's been kind of mute on our issue. Unfortunately, because

607
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:35,760
this is politics in Congress, you know, occasionally they'll you know, criticize,

608
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:40,320
you know, the CCP, but they won't really focus on

609
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:45,280
the actual aspects. For example, what we've been trying to

610
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,360
call for is at least start preparing, like, you know,

611
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:52,440
don't wake up and be like, oh, tomorrow war breaks out,

612
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,280
What the heck are we going to do? At least

613
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,440
start preparing just how the Chinese are preparing. At least

614
00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:00,039
you start preparing.

615
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 5: To for that.

616
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: Yes, we hope war war is avoided, but if it

617
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,760
does happen, you need to be prepared. And in fact,

618
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,559
in military strategy, sometimes the best defense is a good offense.

619
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,679
And so this is this is something that we have

620
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,159
to be prepared for because the longer we continue to

621
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,719
you know, stay silent to China, the longer we continue

622
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:31,360
to appease China because of minimal economic temporary economic interest

623
00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:35,679
that in twenty years won't matter anymore. No, because in

624
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,480
twenty years it won't matter anymore the Chinese. Like just

625
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,760
this week, the former FBI director was saying, the Chinese

626
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:46,440
has collected the data of virtually every American citizen. Every

627
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,440
American in the United States has all of their data

628
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,239
collected by China. Because of the lack of you know,

629
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:58,440
counterintelligence and the lack of proper you know, safeguards that

630
00:44:59,079 --> 00:45:02,760
the US has not been doing putting up because we

631
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,679
underestimate our enemy. So right now we don't really have

632
00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:13,400
a real champion of East Turkistan unfortunately. About what we

633
00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:16,000
are saying is at least treat us on par with Tibet.

634
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,480
For example, nobody the US government doesn't refer to Tibet

635
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:23,360
as She's on. They refer to Tibet as Tibet, She's on,

636
00:45:23,519 --> 00:45:26,960
is what the Chinese call it. Historically, if you look

637
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:31,159
at maps, historical maps, whether it's produced by the US

638
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,639
or others, it always stated East Turkistan. And the nineties

639
00:45:35,679 --> 00:45:38,440
the United States used to call us East Turkistan. So

640
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,840
we need to revert back. That's one thing that we're

641
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,039
asking is treat us on par with Tibet. You recognize

642
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:49,320
Tibet as the US government and Congress recognized Tibet as

643
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,679
an occupied country, you know, start treating East Takistan the

644
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,440
same way. There's a special coordinator for Tibetan issues at

645
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,320
the US State Department. The Tibetan government in exile and

646
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:08,320
Tibetan communities in exile, they receive a lot of political, economic,

647
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,960
and other types of support from the United States government.

648
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,280
We need the same thing when it comes to East Takistan,

649
00:46:17,079 --> 00:46:20,159
and the United States needs to actually start thinking strategically

650
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:23,119
and be like, you know, what would an independent ease

651
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:26,000
Trakistan look like? How would this look if we go

652
00:46:26,119 --> 00:46:28,559
to war with China? What would we need to do?

653
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:34,440
You know, you have to from a military and strategic perspective,

654
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:38,360
you have to try to weaken your enemy, to try to,

655
00:46:38,639 --> 00:46:42,840
you know, prevent your enemy from having the upper hand.

656
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,079
And East Turkistan is the Achilles Hills of the Chinese

657
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:51,480
Empire from all aspects, whether it's from the economic aspect,

658
00:46:51,639 --> 00:46:55,880
from the cultural aspect, or from a military aspect. This

659
00:46:56,119 --> 00:46:59,480
is why China is so bent on trying to wipe

660
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:05,039
us out, enslave, wipe out a certain percentage, enslave a

661
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:10,360
certain percentage, and then gradually assimilate the rest. Is because

662
00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:16,719
we have always been a big headache ever since China

663
00:47:17,039 --> 00:47:21,039
invaded US in nineteen forty nine. We've been constantly resisting

664
00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:25,760
at any opportunity that we we've had, and China knows

665
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:31,000
that if we are giving another opportunity, the international community

666
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:35,519
for greater another great for the actual country would support US,

667
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,639
you know, with providing us with real support, not lip service,

668
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:42,280
then it would be game over for China. And that's

669
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why China essentially what it's doing. You could say, some

670
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:52,039
experts put it out as preventative repression, that China is

671
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:55,760
doing this to prevent you know, the fall, you know,

672
00:47:56,199 --> 00:48:00,480
a similar outcome to that face by the Union.

673
00:48:01,679 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 3: Is it fair to say that everyone who lives in

674
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East Turkestan is under full martial law under the CCP.

675
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:17,079
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, there's no freedom whatsoever in East Turkistan. In

676
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:20,440
East Turkistan, the Chinese government before they started sending people

677
00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:24,280
to the camps, they sent Chinese officials. They sent two

678
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,039
point two million Chinese officials as part of the Pair

679
00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:31,559
up and Relatives program. So the government assigned you a

680
00:48:31,639 --> 00:48:36,480
relative to every household and he would come monitor you,

681
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,840
to assess your loyalty, to grade you from zero to

682
00:48:41,159 --> 00:48:45,880
one hundred. If you had less than ninety points, you

683
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,199
were deemed a risk and you had to be quote

684
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:53,760
re educated, a social credit score. Basically. Yeah, but you

685
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:58,280
have Chinese officials spending an entire week every month with you,

686
00:48:58,519 --> 00:49:03,320
monitoring you, sleep with you, eating with you, you know,

687
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:09,920
and we're Muslim so they'll bring you alcohol. If you refuse, extremists,

688
00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:14,039
you just lost ten points. They'll offer you a cigarette.

689
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,599
You could refuse to smoke a cigarette for health reasons,

690
00:49:19,639 --> 00:49:24,159
for whatever reasons, but again, because you refused it, you're

691
00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:29,159
an extremist. You've been exposed to extremist religious thought. If

692
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:35,840
you practice any form of religion, whether it's Islam, Christianity, Buddhism,

693
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,800
any form of religion, you lose another ten points. If

694
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,679
you're a young person under sixty five and you have

695
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,440
facial hair, if you don't shave, if you have even

696
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,320
this much of a beard, you're an extreme extremist. If

697
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:56,039
you're a young man and you have jim stuff, you know,

698
00:49:56,199 --> 00:50:02,599
like weights, a bench, you're an extremist. You're in fact,

699
00:50:02,639 --> 00:50:06,679
you're a violent extremist because you are training. You're not

700
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,519
training to improve your health or to look good for

701
00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:12,760
the girls. You're doing this because you want to rebel

702
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,440
against the Chinese state. This is this is the insane

703
00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:21,599
level of uh paranoia that they have. So if you

704
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:26,199
have anyone, if you traveled overseas, you're you're a security risk.

705
00:50:26,519 --> 00:50:30,840
You have to be re educated no matter what. If

706
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:36,280
you have contact with anyone, overseas. I you have relatives overseas,

707
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,880
like in case of my relatives, all of them were

708
00:50:39,199 --> 00:50:45,199
forcibly re educated because taken into these concentration camps because

709
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:50,599
again it's a security risk. This is the insane level

710
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:55,639
in fact they're they promoted this on social media, on

711
00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:00,519
Chinese social media and Chinese state media Chinese and all

712
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:04,119
these officials are males, and so they're sleeping in the

713
00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:09,239
same bed under the same cover as our wives, as

714
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,199
our mothers, as our daughters. And you won't see a

715
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,599
single uber mail in the picture because again they've already

716
00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:21,400
been taken into the camps. Initially between twenty fourteen and

717
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:25,000
twenty sixteen, it was men between the ages of fifteen

718
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:28,960
and forty five, those the Chinese government stated were prone

719
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,800
to become radicalized. In other words, anyone who's of capable

720
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:37,159
military age. This is the insane level of control that

721
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:41,360
they have, the fear of paranoia, Like they won't even

722
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:46,239
allow us to have knives. Every household is allowed one knife,

723
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:49,920
one kitchen knife, and that's chained to your kitchen ball.

724
00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:54,599
In addition to that, there's a barcode on that knife,

725
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,119
and that barcode if you scan that it has your

726
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,079
entire family's data on there. So if this knife were

727
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:07,559
to be found somewhere else, your entire family is going

728
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:13,159
to pay the price. Cigarettes I mean lighters, lighters. You

729
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,679
won't be able to find matches I mean matches in

730
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,199
need struts down because again China's paranoid and fears that

731
00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:23,519
all the wagers will use the tip of the matches

732
00:52:23,559 --> 00:52:27,719
to create explosives UH and attack us. So this is

733
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,840
the level of paranoid that they have UH to where

734
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:36,119
virtually every aspect of our life is controlled. They're the

735
00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:41,599
technology and unfortunately this is where Western companies played a

736
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,599
vital role in helping this and possibly dated it because

737
00:52:45,639 --> 00:52:49,880
they wanted to test out UH their latest technology is.

738
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:55,480
They provided it China like facial recognition UH, cameras and

739
00:52:55,559 --> 00:53:00,679
surveillance systems. Two where virtually our entire country, every corner,

740
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:04,519
even in the villages, every corner there's the there's cameras.

741
00:53:05,079 --> 00:53:09,920
You have They call it convenient police stations, which is

742
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,519
manned by like two three police officers. Literally at every

743
00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:18,679
five hundred meters you have convenient police stations. The level

744
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,519
of paranoia, you can't go from one part of your

745
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:24,960
own city to another part without having a special path.

746
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:30,119
This is the level, the level of paranoia that there

747
00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:33,000
isn't in the country. In East far Kistan. If you

748
00:53:33,159 --> 00:53:37,519
have celf phones, you know, if you have cell phones,

749
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:43,119
you're required to install a mandatory government app, and that

750
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:48,159
app analyzes everything in your phone. If there is anything

751
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:56,760
remotely political, remotely religious, remotely anti Chinese, remotely cultural, it

752
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:02,440
notifies the nearest police station and they come and get you. Wow,

753
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:08,760
this is essentially what's happening in East Rakistan. East Turkistan

754
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,000
is not only a surveillance state, but it's like uh,

755
00:54:12,639 --> 00:54:17,760
you know Georgia Oilworld's nineteen eighty four or in reality,

756
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:18,440
in real life.

757
00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:21,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy because that's we hear these and it

758
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,320
sounds like a dystopian future, but it's happening right now.

759
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,039
It's just unbelievable. One major misconception, I know you only

760
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:30,920
have a few minutes left, but one major misconception is

761
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,039
that everybody in China is Buddhist. What I've come to

762
00:54:34,159 --> 00:54:37,480
find out is China is one of the most atheist

763
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:40,280
populations in the world, and it's because it's pushed by

764
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:40,840
the CCP.

765
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: Yes, well, I mean China itself. The PRC is an empire.

766
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:53,800
That's what many people don't understand. China, you know, is

767
00:54:54,159 --> 00:54:57,960
the part that is where the Great Wall is. Everything

768
00:54:58,079 --> 00:55:01,360
inside the Great Wall is the act China. Everything out

769
00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:05,239
outside is you know, to the north is Mongolia and Manchuria.

770
00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:09,000
To the west is East Pakistan and Tibet. It's an

771
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:15,000
empire that is built on subtler colonialism and occupation. This

772
00:55:15,199 --> 00:55:19,599
is why East Takistan is the most heavily militarized zone.

773
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,079
And before in China they had they like the Chinese people,

774
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,400
they they you know, they were Taois, they were Buddhists,

775
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:31,639
but under the CCP because it outlawed. Essentially they're prior

776
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:36,039
to a resurgence and you know, some religious freedom after

777
00:55:36,199 --> 00:55:39,719
opening up. Part of the opening up, uh the deal

778
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,679
that they made with the West is okay, China is

779
00:55:41,679 --> 00:55:43,559
going to open up to the world. We're going to

780
00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:47,960
be less, you know, brutal. They allowed religions to you know,

781
00:55:48,519 --> 00:55:52,400
have comeback. But then immediately they realized, oh no, this

782
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:58,719
is these these what this religions. You know, Tibetans are

783
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,880
going to want more freedom, leaders are going to want

784
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,760
more freedom. This is going to create more problem. So

785
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,119
they've been clamping down. Now they're centesizing all religions again.

786
00:56:07,199 --> 00:56:15,400
Even Christianity is controlled by the state. Your christian you know, pastors,

787
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:21,800
your clerics are all Chinese government officials, like they appoint

788
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:26,119
who becomes your leader, and they make sure that even

789
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,280
in the case of your wars. Right now, religion is

790
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:34,360
completely banned. But before, prior to twenty fifteen, what they

791
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,000
would do is they had rewritten versus you know, of

792
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:41,360
the Quran to so the Quran that they would teach

793
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,719
was a corrupted version to where anything like, for example,

794
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,239
in the Quran it says, you know, the verses that

795
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:56,199
says fighting defending your homeland against occupation, against oppression from

796
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:01,400
you know, from oppressors. All of those verses were removed

797
00:57:01,519 --> 00:57:05,360
and instead replaced by things like, oh God tells you

798
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:08,400
to you that you have to obey the authority, that

799
00:57:08,519 --> 00:57:13,039
you have to you know, praise the Communist Party even

800
00:57:13,159 --> 00:57:16,679
to that that level, even though there was no Communist

801
00:57:16,719 --> 00:57:19,599
Party when you know, But this is the level of

802
00:57:20,519 --> 00:57:26,360
revisions that they have. Most of our mosques in East

803
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,679
Rakistan have been destroyed. The only ones that are open

804
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:34,119
is only for tourist purposes. They've turned it into you know,

805
00:57:34,719 --> 00:57:39,440
uh museums essentially to where tourists come. They can still claim,

806
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:42,559
oh yeah, we we're still we still have religious freedom,

807
00:57:43,639 --> 00:57:46,159
but many of them have been destroyed. Some have been

808
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:53,639
transformed into toilets, into public public toilets, into pigstizes, into

809
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:59,559
bars and clubs as a you know, as more cultural

810
00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:06,760
humane upon us. But majority of the Chinese population today, unfortunately,

811
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:13,320
are atheists because that's what's being indoctrinated by the Chinese state,

812
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:18,519
by the Chinese Commist Party. From the time you're born

813
00:58:18,679 --> 00:58:22,199
till the time you die. That's constantly the propaganda that

814
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,960
you are, an indoctrination that you are subject to. And

815
00:58:26,039 --> 00:58:29,639
that's why even the Chinese people themselves, even though we

816
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,119
don't really have a whole lot of problems with the

817
00:58:32,239 --> 00:58:34,599
Chinese people, and our problem is with the Chinese state,

818
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:41,840
they support the Chinese states, you know, colonial occupation and

819
00:58:42,159 --> 00:58:46,199
genocidal policies because again China says that you know, they're

820
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,039
doing it for the betterment of the Chinese people and

821
00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:51,440
that you know, if they get rid of us, there's

822
00:58:51,519 --> 00:58:54,559
more land, more opportunities for the Chinese people themselves. So

823
00:58:54,679 --> 00:59:00,840
this is the propaganda, an indoctrination that they have undertaking

824
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,960
for the past you know, seven decades since mal took over, right.

825
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's incredible if you look over the last twenty

826
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,840
five years, churches and mosques in the Middle East and Europe,

827
00:59:12,639 --> 00:59:18,480
obviously East Turkistan and now Nigeria, Pakistan. This is a

828
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:21,800
worldwide movement. And if people in the United States, if

829
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,639
they think it won't or can't happen here, I mean

830
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,880
that that is really the end game for a one

831
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,760
world government. I have two more questions for you before

832
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,559
we wrap it up. Do you have any as the

833
00:59:34,119 --> 00:59:38,119
foreign Minister of the East Turkistan government in exile, do

834
00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:41,840
you have any direct pipelines to anyone with any pool

835
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:42,480
in this country.

836
00:59:44,679 --> 00:59:49,559
Speaker 1: I mean we have communications and we have you know,

837
00:59:49,719 --> 00:59:55,800
we engage with people in the government, if not regularly,

838
00:59:56,199 --> 01:00:01,960
semi regularly, but as far as pool, they're not like

839
01:00:02,159 --> 01:00:07,800
senior you know, top senior officials that could move things unfortunately,

840
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:11,960
so I mean they're members of Congress from one side,

841
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,519
and then there's other others from other branches of the government.

842
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:18,800
But it's not like senior officials that could be like

843
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,599
all right, let's do this, do this. It's just low

844
01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:25,119
you know, lower to mid level officials.

845
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 3: So here's the question moving forward, how can and we

846
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,280
have listeners from around the world, not just here in

847
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:35,639
the United States, going forward, what can we do to

848
01:00:35,719 --> 01:00:40,159
make change? You know what, what's your plan moving forward?

849
01:00:40,199 --> 01:00:44,679
What can we do to you know, to put the

850
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:49,199
Communist Party in check? And it's it's a difficult task

851
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:53,519
because once again, China is responsible for twenty percent of

852
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:58,000
our imports. So I mean to say, a war would

853
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:01,480
make World War two when we were everything was rationed,

854
01:01:01,679 --> 01:01:03,360
I mean, it would be next level, wouldn't it.

855
01:01:04,599 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: Yes, well, I mean again, you don't have to go

856
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,559
to war to do this, right, I agree, right, right, Yeah,

857
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:16,639
there's a myriad of options. For example, one again, we

858
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,400
need to pull out from China economically, we need to

859
01:01:20,599 --> 01:01:24,360
divest to other countries, to countries that are not going

860
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,960
to turn around and cause you know, chaos and becoming

861
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,800
you know, a threat to our freedom, to our security,

862
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,599
et cetera. This is why already it's already happening. You know,

863
01:01:36,239 --> 01:01:42,199
many companies are moving out into Vietnam, into India. In fact,

864
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:47,000
I would advocate for bringing some companies back to Latin

865
01:01:47,039 --> 01:01:52,440
America to ease the migration issues and problems that the

866
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:56,599
US is facing as well, because those people why are

867
01:01:56,639 --> 01:01:59,320
they coming to the US because they want better job opportunities.

868
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,320
So take that, you know, move your companies back. Plus

869
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:06,000
it will make it more cost effective as well, to

870
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,400
you know, Latin America, to Africa, to you know, other

871
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:13,679
countries other than you know, China, because every dollar that

872
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:17,519
we give, you know, let's say we buy something that's

873
01:02:17,559 --> 01:02:20,320
made in China for a dollar, at least you know,

874
01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:22,679
two three percent of that is going to go into

875
01:02:22,719 --> 01:02:26,119
the conferences of the Chinese state, and that Chinese state

876
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,719
is going to use that to one create, you know,

877
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,960
to continue committing genocide, but to to you know, build

878
01:02:33,039 --> 01:02:36,679
up its military to threaten the sovereignty and security of

879
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:42,039
other nations. So from that perspective is you know, economically,

880
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:47,760
press our corporations, press our governments to you know, push

881
01:02:48,079 --> 01:02:51,880
you know, to divest. Either bring it back home, you know,

882
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:56,239
because we need jobs, agree with that, bring it back home.

883
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,960
The ones that aren't you know, that we aren't able

884
01:02:59,039 --> 01:03:02,840
to bring it back or that's too costly to bring back,

885
01:03:03,119 --> 01:03:05,559
you know, bring it to another country that we have

886
01:03:05,679 --> 01:03:09,079
a good relationship with, a country that values human rights,

887
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:13,079
that respects you know, the sovereignty and security of other countries.

888
01:03:13,679 --> 01:03:17,239
That's one option. Secondly, we need to push back against

889
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:22,000
China politically. When I mean politically, I mean through international

890
01:03:22,599 --> 01:03:27,400
laws and institutions for example, which you know, everyone believes

891
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:31,960
that colonialism has ended, but colonialism is still alive, and

892
01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:36,480
it's alive through China. China is the last really colony

893
01:03:36,599 --> 01:03:39,280
left in the world, the colonial power left in the world.

894
01:03:40,039 --> 01:03:43,800
We need to push for decolonization. We need to push

895
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:49,280
for you know, the independence of East Takastan, Tibet, South Mongolia.

896
01:03:50,639 --> 01:03:54,599
And we can do this through international you know, using

897
01:03:54,639 --> 01:03:59,480
international laws, international institutions, supporting those peoples and nations right

898
01:03:59,559 --> 01:04:03,800
to self termination, recognizing the fact that they are occupied nations,

899
01:04:04,519 --> 01:04:08,119
providing them with moral and spiritual support. This is the

900
01:04:08,199 --> 01:04:12,320
things that brought down the Soviet Empire. For example, we

901
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,599
have something called the US has something called the Captive

902
01:04:14,679 --> 01:04:18,440
Nations Law, and it reaffirms it was initiated in nineteen

903
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,320
fifty nine, and it reaffirmed every year and to this

904
01:04:21,559 --> 01:04:26,880
day we still do it. It reaffirms America's you know, support,

905
01:04:28,639 --> 01:04:32,639
solidarity and support for the recovery of freedom and independence

906
01:04:32,679 --> 01:04:36,400
of those captive nations. We along with Tibet, were listed

907
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:40,599
as a captive nations in Turkestan and Tibet were listed

908
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,840
as a captive nation in that law, but in recent decades,

909
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,599
because of the close political and economic ties with China

910
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,719
are to those two countries are not being regularly mentioned.

911
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:57,000
And it stipulates that it's in the US interest and

912
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,880
it is policy for the US to through through a

913
01:05:01,239 --> 01:05:04,440
through its available means, and at the very least really

914
01:05:04,519 --> 01:05:07,840
right that the US shares the aspirations of those people

915
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,840
to recover their freedom and independence. So that's something that

916
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:15,320
needs to be re re reinvoked. Then we need to

917
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:20,719
hold China accountable for the crimes, for the genocide, for

918
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:25,239
the the and the genocide of the American people as well.

919
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,920
Like roughly, you know, close to two million Americans died

920
01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:33,280
because of the virus committed you know, created by China,

921
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,920
because of the coronavirus, and to this day, we still

922
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,079
don't have accountability for that. To this all of our

923
01:05:39,159 --> 01:05:43,360
data has been stolen by Chinese hackers, Chinese government hackers

924
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:49,599
through Operation uh Salt Typhoon, through virtually every Americans data,

925
01:05:49,719 --> 01:05:52,679
all of our you know, phone data has been stolen.

926
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:58,280
Our government hasn't effectively responded to that. We haven't you know,

927
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:03,039
pushed Chine on that, we haven't held China accountable for that.

928
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:06,559
There are so many different ways that we can pressure

929
01:06:06,719 --> 01:06:11,039
China and hold them accountable without directly getting into war.

930
01:06:11,159 --> 01:06:16,039
In fact, China is waging war through all means except

931
01:06:16,159 --> 01:06:20,599
conventional warfare against the United States. They're using political warfare

932
01:06:20,679 --> 01:06:24,039
against us. They're using drug warfare against us, be a fentanyl,

933
01:06:24,039 --> 01:06:30,000
they're killing off America's future, and but the a fentanyl,

934
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:36,119
they're you know, using economic esponage to steal America's latest technology.

935
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:40,960
They're infiltrating virtually, and have been infiltrated virtually every aspect

936
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:45,199
of society and government. So these are things that need

937
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:49,519
to be pushed back against. We need to, in fact,

938
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:53,280
we need to use China's own playbooks that they're using

939
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,639
against the United States against them. This is the way

940
01:06:56,760 --> 01:07:00,719
to win without going into a direct mentional war.

941
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you know, if you look at the very first

942
01:07:04,159 --> 01:07:06,920
two sentences of the Nuremberg Code, it talks about the

943
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:11,199
voluntary consent of the human subject being absolutely essential, and

944
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it talks about having the individual having autonomy, not being

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forced or enduring any duress and on. I think if

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there was a local shop that I knew that was

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harming children and doing the things they do, I wouldn't

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spend a dime in their business. And here we are

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twenty percent of our you know, imports come from a

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country that is doing exactly that. And it's it doesn't

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matter if you're if you're Muslim, if you're a Christian

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like myself, or just a decent human being. Nobody should

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should stand for this type of activity. And it's kind

954
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of sad to see how the world works when we

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know that so much evil is going on and we're

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allowing these people to flourish and just enrich themselves like this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we have to wake up. We have to,

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you know, as our responsibility because consumers have a lot

959
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of power. It's just don't buy those buy some something alternative,

960
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you know, right to those companies, to those corporations, right

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to our senators, our congressmans, and tell them, you know,

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do something about this, because this is not just going

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to impact the wars. I mean it's already impacting us,

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but this will impact future American generations as well, because

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China's not gonna stop with us. We with these circus

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on or with Tibet. It wants Taiwan tomorrow. Then after

967
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that then it's going to be like, oh, I want

968
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a bigger piece. I want you know, Siberia. Then you know,

969
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,239
it'll be like, Okay, that's not enough. I'm gonna take

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the Philippines. One day it won't be enough and they'll

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be like, oh, you know, I want I want Hawaii,

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I want Alaska, all these different things, and one day

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you're gonna wake up and it might not be this generation,

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but your grandparents, your grandchildren's generation. If we don't act today,

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01:09:16,199 --> 01:09:20,119
your grandchildren's generation will be that generation that will face

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similar atrocities that we are facing today.

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Speaker 5: You know, the.

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Speaker 1: Chinese occupation might come to the US, you know, borders

979
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by that generation if action is not taken today to

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stop the expansion.

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Speaker 3: Again, this was mister Sally who you are, and we

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have his website East dot Turkestan dot net, Facebook, YouTube.

983
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All of that will be in the show notes and uh,

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I'll give you the last word.

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Speaker 1: Sir.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your time today. It's very

987
01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:58,159
eye opening.

988
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Speaker 1: Thank you again for giving this opportunity to shed light

989
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on this crisis. And we hope that the American people

990
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and all people of the world will you know, do

991
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their part to at least learn more about what's happening,

992
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:18,199
to inform others, and to you know, you know, try

993
01:10:18,279 --> 01:10:21,039
to bring about any change, even if it's at at

994
01:10:21,079 --> 01:10:26,079
a small level. You know, drops in in a bucket,

995
01:10:26,319 --> 01:10:29,920
you know, small drops end up, you know, becoming a bucket.

996
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Speaker 3: Well said, and again, thank you so much for your time, Sally,

997
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:37,159
who do you are? The Foreign Minister uh the East

998
01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:42,560
Turkestan government in exile, stay in touch, keep us informed

999
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:46,760
of the ongoing events, and our prayers are certainly with

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you and your people, Sir, thank you for having so

1001
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,520
There you go. I hope you enjoyed the interview as

1002
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,640
much as I enjoyed the conversation with mister who do are?

1003
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I also wanted to add that I've reached out to

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advocates for the Christians in Syria. If you didn't know,

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before the Civil War started in two thousand and eleven,

1006
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there were well over two million Christians in Syria. Fast

1007
01:11:15,159 --> 01:11:18,720
forward fourteen years later, there are less than three hundred thousand.

1008
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,279
And we see the same thing going on in North Korea,

1009
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Nigeria that's been in the news a lot lately, so

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we've reached out to some advocates and we hope to

1011
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,439
get them on the podcast in the near future as well.

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Podcast News. I am looking to do another one this week,

1013
01:11:36,319 --> 01:11:39,359
so look for another podcast to drop. If I can't

1014
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:41,319
have it done by Thursday night, then I'll drop it

1015
01:11:41,399 --> 01:11:44,439
again on Sunday night. Thank you all for your continued support.

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Have a great rest of your week, and of course

1017
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:51,319
is always the email address is the fact Hunter at

1018
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:54,640
mail dot com. Again, it's the fact Hunter at mail

1019
01:11:55,239 --> 01:11:59,000
dot com. God bless you have a wonderful week. Keep

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01:11:59,039 --> 01:12:01,079
your head on a swivel, in Christ in your heart.

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Until we meet again, my friends, we will see it.

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Speaker 4: I know it's been struggle. I know you've had spain.

1023
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I'm not feeling tied.

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Speaker 2: Held down by all the way. Yeah, I know you

1025
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:32,199
feel the more you smile ain't the same I saw

1026
01:12:32,319 --> 01:12:36,880
you way going from you. I feel like you've lost

1027
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:37,359
your way.

1028
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Speaker 6: Don't give it. No, don't give it.

1029
01:12:45,319 --> 01:12:46,319
Speaker 4: Never is home.

1030
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Speaker 6: Don't they call the primise. It ain't done yet. He's

1031
01:12:51,079 --> 01:12:56,119
got a plaid. Why it's away? Time got up? Let

1032
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me come.

1033
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 4: Why God MC, I can see the street beside you

1034
01:13:15,319 --> 01:13:20,720
childs are putting up the fig. Oh, you're stronger than

1035
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:25,359
any thing. You are. Yeah, you're gonna be all right.

1036
01:13:27,279 --> 01:13:29,720
You're accepting it. A dead found you.

1037
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Speaker 6: Beautiful.

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Speaker 4: You're shoving ride.

1039
01:13:35,279 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're living, breathing, moveing.

1040
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Speaker 4: You can hold your head a pie.

1041
01:13:45,319 --> 01:13:50,359
Speaker 6: Don't give up, No, don't give in. Never loss home.

1042
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:55,399
Don't let gone on the primes me ain't done Yet's.

1043
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Speaker 7: God, I'm letting wins a way down.

1044
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:02,239
Speaker 6: The God of Me became. We don't give up.

1045
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 4: No, don't give in you never lose home, don't.

1046
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 6: Let go on the primise.

1047
01:14:09,359 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 4: It ain't gon likeness worth living?

1048
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Speaker 7: What's a play down the God of Babel?

1049
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:30,079
Speaker 6: Why spray down? God speA record? Oh yeah, what a pray.

1050
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Speaker 7: Down the god baby? Oh yeah, God spec.

1051
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Speaker 6: Oh, don't give.

1052
01:14:50,119 --> 01:14:54,319
Speaker 4: Up, No, don't give in. Never's home?

1053
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 6: Do they go on the primise?

1054
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Speaker 5: I mean and this God, I'm saying watching God of

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if it comes, don't give no dog given, but never

1056
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:14,239
this hole. Don't let go of the crimes getting done.

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Lover is worth living, Watson and God of.

1058
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Speaker 6: A comes, Oh, the God of needs.

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01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:36,039
Speaker 4: Watch dog God of A.

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Speaker 3: You're listening to the fact Hunter Radio Network.

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01:15:49,319 --> 01:15:50,039
Speaker 6: Just the facts ma'am,