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Speaker 1: So a responsible commentator, an international security consultant, former Special

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Forces soldier. I wrote operator in the subject line of

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the email for this my fault. Operator means something I

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should remind myself. Never try to use military jargon means

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a thing. So especial Forces soldier is with us, Michael Rourke.

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He gets to be the responsible one looking at all

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the data, looking at it dispassionately. I get to be

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the person who breaks the Ben Shapiro rule, sorry man

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of just asking questions, and I have a ton of

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them about the New Orleans and Las Vegas terrorist attacks.

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So we'll get a much more important point of view

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than mine. Michael roc actually knows what he's talking about.

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We'll do this with the help of Boer Capital Management. No,

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you're risk Grader dot com and through the great auspices

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of God Almighty.

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Speaker 2: But Todd Herman show is one disapproved but big pharma

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technocrats in tyrn severanware from the high mountains of Free America.

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Here's the Emerald City exile Todd Herman.

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Speaker 1: Today is the day the Lord has made, and these

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are the times through which God has decided we shall live.

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My friend Michael Rourke joins us. All the way in

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the studio in the High Mountain for America. We shake hands

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on set. Good to see you, my friend, Thank you

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for coming. Let me just ask you this the Let's

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start with Las Vegas and what went on there. And

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I don't say guys' names when something this happens, because

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sometimes they want their name said or wanted them said.

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But let's talk job capabilities and what we know about

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this former Special Forces soldier and his capabilities, starting with

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the big question. A lot of people asking, you're telling

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me this guy couldn't have built a better bomb.

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Speaker 3: I think he definitely could have, even though I said

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he was a military occupational especially is for eighteen Echo,

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which is SF Communication Sergeant, eighteen Fox Special Forces Intel sergeant,

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and then eighteen Zulu Special Forces Operations sergeant or a

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team sergeant ODA, so explosives not his primary job. But yeah,

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everyone gets training, and there are other courses out there

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that he may have gone to where you could definitely

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put together a competent device, even with materials that are

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available out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So, and what he put together was not set to

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go as a high order detonation. So there's a lot

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of questions to be answered. There.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, there's a whole series of questions I

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think that are going to be answered and have to

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be answered I personally, and you guys, you might be

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in a different position than me on this. I have

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a very limited reserve of trust for the leadership of

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the FBI. So I'm watching this unfolds in Las Vegas

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and I hear, okay, currently, this guy shot himself in

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the head. We'll talk about that in a second. But

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there's this video. It's a second one we have up today, Alex,

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we're going to switch orders that apparently they determined quickly

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through a corner that this guy shot himself in the

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head before the device went off.

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Speaker 4: For they're complicating this identification of this individual. We also

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discovered through the coroner's office that the individual had sustained

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a gunshot wound to the head prior to the detonation

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of the vehicle. One of the handguns was found at

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his feet inside of the of the vehicle.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about this real quick and then we'll

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get into the bigger picture. But this stuff is everybody's

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questioning this. The cyber truck pulls up. Seventeen seconds later,

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the bomb goes off, the poorly built bomb inside of

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a well sealed truck, and this guy had off himself already.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's what they're saying. I mean, how do

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they tournament so fast? If the if the handgun that

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was used was I said, the one one of the

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ones they found in the truck, which is a Desert

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Eagle fifty caliber action Express, it's gonna leave a half

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inch sized hole, you know, in one side, and then

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probably a much larger hole on the other side. So

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that might be fairly easy to determine.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: But and I don't think the bomb was designed for fragmentation,

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so probably not a shrapnel hole. But but if you've

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Speaker 1: Okay, So that could be obvious. I mean, if you

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of them. Do you buy that his ID survived this?

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military idea or an excess card cat card is you

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know it's plastic, it's not paper. Yeah, and it looks

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like it's sustained some damage. Yeah, but you'd be surprised

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, you've done some research and apparently there is

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a manifesto and we'll talk about this in a second

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with micro Rourke. Then I want to level up to

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the big picture because there's things you've warned us about.

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And I got chills because there's some things you've been

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warning us about, oh for about three years. So some

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things to look for in terms of graduated tactics. We

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You've been doing your own research in this, Micael Rourke.

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And apparently there is supposedly a manifesto that a pretty

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well known podcaster has.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that episode's apparently not out yet. He released

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a kind of I guess you call it a teaser

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Sean Ryan, Yeah, Sean Ryan.

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Speaker 3: Supposedly there is an analyst or a former analyst that

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received an email from the Vegas guy, you know, from

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the active duty Special Forces soldier that said probably says

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why he's doing this, and some information I'm seeing says

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he names names. What that means remains to be seen,

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because as as we're doing this show now, that episode

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Speaker 1: So if this is real, and if it's his manifest though,

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then we're gonna have to match this up against a

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really a career that was on the rise, and you

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had actually posted something. You sent me something this morning,

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Texas came from Jack Murphy, and Jack was aware apparently

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this manifest was coming up. But he writes in this

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tweet that you forwarded me. This guy sounds like he

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had a lot of respect, that he was on the rise,

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getting more and more responsibility. So this is complete supposition

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between you and I. But if he did this thing,

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no pun intended blew up in his life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, again, as you say, supposition, but I've heard,

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you know, without attribution anywhere that I think his second

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marriage was apparently just fallen apart right before Christmas, and

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baby back in June, I think, you know, so they

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have an infant. Where does something happened? And when you

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up along with I think he's got like some five

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combat tours you know that can that can do something

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Speaker 1: Oh no, And I don't think any of us do.

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it's telling you earlier, our common friend Tim Krukshank from

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she wrote to wait before assuming guilt. Matthew Olisberger is

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the suspecting the Tesla bombing at the Trump Hotel. Twice

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given away his location if it was not already known.

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is not adding up about this situation in Vegas. I

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the FBI, and I start to wonder, okay, so they

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the guy in Orleans who we need to talk about

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that because that gave me chills, because you've been warning

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us about something. But I'm looking at a scenario where

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this guy is either taking against his will or told

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he needs to do a thing, he refuses to do

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a thing, they shoot him in the head, strap his

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hands to the cyber trucks during wheel, which apparently has

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an autopilot mode which requires you to touch this during wheel,

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but full self driving doesn't. But you said you need

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to be in it. There needs to be an attentive

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driver there, and they send the car in front of

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the hotel and blow it up.

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be an attentive driver behind the behind the wall. I've

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simplest answer is closer to the truth. And I still

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think it's gonna probably come down to something happened in

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his life where he decided to you know, take take

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you know, take the off ramp, and just for some reason,

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chose to do it in a very spectacular fashion.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so this still gets me to the biggest question

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them rent them from the same company. Both of them

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do this on the same day, both of them with

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remote detonation devices, both of them in the vehicle. The

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guy in northerns having gotten out and tried to shoot.

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but I've heard and seen images that show no optics

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mechanisms on it, so no ability to like actually aimed

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you're not as bothered by that as I am the

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Fort Liberty, Fort Bragg. I just see all these connections,

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and we have the FBI saying there's no there's no

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connection to this at all.

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Speaker 3: There's a no sign of any radicalization on in the

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Vegas case, like you know, jihadis Islamic radicalization that I've

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been able to determine. There are a lot of strange coincidences.

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lot more that it has to be learned. But yeah,

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the normans. One definitely jihadis attack, definitely isis inspired and

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one of the things I've been warning about ever since

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the doors of the southern border were thrown wide open.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and there's something very specific you've been warning us about,

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and I'm going to remind people of that here in

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just a second. If you're watching us live, you have

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questions from Mike, and feel free to put them into

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the chat room. And so we'll make sure that we

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make sure people not to get in touch with you,

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because you're in the business of helping businesses protect themselves

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against this, and you've been doing a great job of

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helping individuals have situational awareness to protect themselves against things

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like this, and so we'll make sure that we talk

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about that. Hey, I'm making another trip to Mexico and

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end of March, and it may even go it maybe

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a little bit further back than that. I'm giving you

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a heads up on this. If you've been thinking about

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going to renew healthcare and you've been thinking about that

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and to help address pain, or to avoid surgery, or

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to solve things like neuropathy, or even for the esthetics

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they do. You know, if your wife or husband or

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loved one that uses botox, don't use ethically gathered stem

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cells from placentas and umbilical cords actually regrow the cells

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in your face instead of paralyzing them with cow bacteria.

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I mean, what a concept. Because hey, botox, that ain't

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going to get paid for by insurance either. Why won't

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sureance pay so that you can avoid surgery? Well, why

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would they want to do that? They're on each other's boards.

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to testify to you that if you're watching this, this shoulder,

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my left shoulder. I was just lifting the other day

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with my sports med doc and trying to stay somewhere

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near him in a clean and jerk complex we were

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doing and Ben said, Todd, you got to start stretching

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your left shoulder again. Man, it's like really stiff? Is

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it amazing? My left shoulder that's three years after surgery

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or yeah, about two and a half years after surgery

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is not as good as my right shoulder. My right

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shoulder is a year out of surgery. What's the difference. Well,

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the major difference is stem cells in the right shoulder,

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no stem cells in the left. It'll help you recover

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better and it will help you avoid surgery. So if

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you're thinking about doing this, get in now. Go to

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renew dout Healthcare. That's r E n u E dout Healthcare.

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Because some work that applies to make sure you're a

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good candidate. They want to make sure this is going

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to provide you benefit. So if you get in now,

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we can time our trips together and go down and

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hang out together. So go to renew r E n

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U e dot Healthcare. That's r E n ue dot Healthcare.

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Please tell them you're part of the Todd Herman Shaw

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family in New Orleans. So much to talk about here

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as well. Apparently the Nor Orleans killer had been saying,

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and now this is the FBI director saying this has

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been taken down. There's some debate did he mean recently

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or not. Fox News reports that this guy had become radicalized,

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This family had separated from him because they were concerned

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about him, and he'd been apparently posting something.

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Speaker 5: My platform proclaiming his support for ices. There were five

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videos posted on Jabbar's Facebook account which are time stamped,

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beginning at one twenty nine am.

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Speaker 1: And the last at three h two am.

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Speaker 5: In the first video, Jabbar explains he originally planned to

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harm his family and friends, but was concerned the news

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headlines would not focus on the quote war between the

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believers and the disbelievers end quote. Additionally, he stated he

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had joined ISIS before this summer.

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Speaker 1: He also provided a will and testing. There's also been

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some videos posted and taken down from TikTok saying that

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this guy had posted things early on, maybe months ago,

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that that's being debated, So fair enough. But when this

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guy's posting things like this, he's been radicalized. Here's what

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gave me chills. He got out of the vehicle. He

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did not intend to kill himself. You have been warning

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us about this. Please explain the significance of someone going

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and ramming people down and killing them and then getting

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out to continue shooting.

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Speaker 3: The I mean, that's reminiscent of I believe it was

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the London Bridge attack in London and some years back

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where they did the vehicle ramming attack, and then I

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think it was two or three jihadis jumped out with

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knives and started going after people. That's a that makes

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it more of a complex attack and whether he intended

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to die or survive and live to fight another day,

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he was still bent on inflicting further casualties. I know

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he shot two police officers who were engaging him. And

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one of the things I've long worried about is whether

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it's individual or a sell that they do an attack,

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but like say like say, you know, the attack by rifle, fire,

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break contact, you know, study, study the media afterwards, get

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their lessons learned, and then launch another attack and keep

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trying to survive and do more and more attacks. That's

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that's a more complex scenario because most of the jihadis,

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you know, tend to go on one way missions. But if

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they start doing that more like insurgents like we were

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fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan, where they want to do

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an attack and then come back and hit you again,

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that's a more dangerous complex thing. Fortunately, most people don't

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seem to be going that route and it's hard for

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them to organize. But with the border having been opened

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for pretty much the last four years, we don't know

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who's come in. There's like I think some two million gutaways,

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those who are never encountered by the border patrol. But

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even amongst those who were encountered. There have been hundreds

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on the terrorists watch list, and I always thought, well,

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the smart ones, the really dedicated ones, they're not going

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to get caught. They're not going to get into the system.

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They're going to come in where we don't even know

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they're here, and then try to link up with either

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supporters or someone in their own home country diaspora and

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then start building their plans from there.

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Speaker 1: If you were going to put on Agiatis hat and

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you wanted to plan a scenario like that where there's

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a mash cash event and then there's an after action

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and then people disappear into the ether to go live

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and shoot and kill again, what would you concentrate on

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Speaker 3: It could be anything from I say sporting events, not

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necessarily attacking the venue, but you hit the crowds that

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before they even get to the security perimeter for the event.

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Bourbon Street is a classic example. You could hit anything, schools, malls,

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just just imagine hitting not It doesn't have to be

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spectacular like saying big cities, imagine a small town getting

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shot up where there's shorter, I mean possibly a longer

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response time because there's a lot smaller law enforcement presence, right,

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much easier to escape, and then you come back and

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do that again. You start having the attacks going around

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small town America, big cities where all of a sudden,

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no one's feeling safe anywhere, and that has a real

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stabilizing effect an insurgency point of view, that casts doubt

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upon the legitimacy of the existing government's ability to protect

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its citizens. So it has that's a more of a

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strategic impact.

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Speaker 1: And what is then the psychological goal of something like

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that In a country this size, there's fear, there's destabilization.

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But you take five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten attacks

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like this, what are they looking to crumble by those

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sort of of tactics.

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Speaker 3: It depends on who's doing it and what their ultimate

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goals are. Most these people will probably publish their goals,

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you know, their their demands, whether it's you know, the

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US out or the Middle East, stopping support for Israel,

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or or something domestic where they're looking for demands from

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from the US government within the United States. So yeah,

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it just all depends on where they're coming from and

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what their particular ideology is.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to make a prediction because I think

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I just feel that it is only a matter of

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time until they do this particular thing. And maybe I've

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shared this with you before, is I agree with what

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you're saying about small towns. A small town school, go

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take it over or kill twenty kids disappear into the woods.

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You got you know the state. The police are on

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the way, but they're an hour away. They had a

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couple of local cops and there are way out guns

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and you know, there's fifteen guys, five guys there in

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the woods. Maybe they catch one of them. This is

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my nightmare that I just think is so so easily doable.

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Is they keep doing these vehicle protests and they just

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shut down these freeways. So I think about you know

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where we live, Seattle, and they've got that funky waterfront

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tunnel it's not super well built, and they do a protest.

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They shut down the traffic ahead of that tunnel, and

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they get out the Hamas flags and the ISIS flags

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and oh, it's just another protest. It's just another inconvenience

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in a Friday afternoon at five point thirty. And then

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once the cars are good and stopped and there's two hundred,

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four hundred, five hundred one thousand people. That's when the

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jahadists who are on the other side of the tunnel

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get out. They meet in the middle and they start

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going through the cars and plugging people, and when first

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Reefinund respond they get there, that's when they light off

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the actual car bound bombs, right, that's when they actually

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light that off. And there's all sorts of escape doors

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up and down that tunnel that people who know where

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they're at and that practice that activity, they can be

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out of there in five minutes and into the ether

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of a city. To me, it's just a matter of time.

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And so they do something like that. They'd have to

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be stupid to not do that.

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Speaker 3: It almost sounds like you've done a target analysis using

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the Carver matrix to determine the criticality and vulnerability of

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a target.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I don't like to brag, so I want you

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to explain that second you just said. I want you

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to explain what you just said why it sounds like

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I did. That's okay. There is a guy right now

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in the live chat room. It is John from Alan Soaps.

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I see him there. Hi, I'm good morning. Jean. John

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is Alan's dad. Alan is fourteen. Now just turn fourteen,

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he's been through eighteen operations. He's effectively nonverbal. Given his

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placement on the autism spectrum, it doesn't stop him from

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being a brilliant inventor of soaps. And you have a

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decision to make. It's super easy one. In my opinion,

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it's absolutely no brainer. Go look at the soap you

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use and ask yourself, do I have a good reason

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for using this? Okay, it's just probably going to be this.

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That's cheap, it's what I've always done. Cool, here's a

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reason to use Allan's. We employ people like Alan and

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Ian and Amy that the rest of the world would

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say are useless eaters. Yeah, I know John, his dad

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is watching it or listening to this. But John's the

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guy who told me these things. The doctor has said, hey,

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there's your little boy and your daughter in your mom's

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or your wife's a womb. Let's kill the baby. And

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John said no. His wife said no, We're going to

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raise our sun. So now he's fruitfully employed. The soap

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is made in America. It's all natural, it's made with

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all natural ingredients. It's made by a family, not a machine.

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Three generations of soap making expertise, so next time you

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wash your body or your hands, you can say, why

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don't you use the soap? All those reasons go to

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alansaps dot com slash todd. That's alansoaps dot com slash todd.

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You get temper sent off everything there. So you said,

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it's almost like I use the Carver analysis to find

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the points of which you say a vulnerability unpacked that

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I explain that for US.

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Speaker 3: Carver is an acronym that has been used by special

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forces for decades to do it assessment. You can use

477
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it offensively to figure out the best way you know

478
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to attack a target, like how is it vulnerable? How

479
00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:11,000
critical is it to the you know, to the enemy,

480
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And you can also use it defensively. I use it

481
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defensively a lot to help businesses become more resilient and stronger.

482
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So it's if you look at the equation you have threat,

483
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which is, you know what possible threats can are out

484
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there that might come after you or come after something

485
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in general, your vulnerability to that threat, and then the

486
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,039
combination of threat and vulnerability equals your risk. So the

487
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idea behind the defensive target analysis is to reduce the

488
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vulnerability to the threats that are out there and thus

489
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you lower your risk.

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Speaker 1: So in that scenario that I provided you, then we

491
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could talk about businesses and homes and people's lives like

492
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walking through a mall or say, you know, being let's

493
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some people are going to go to the super Bowl,

494
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they're going to the college football championship. Like, maybe there's

495
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ways to reduce your risk and public there. Let's go

496
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back through the scenario I presented you. The Waterfront Tunnel

497
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in Seattle, which replaced the beautiful Alaska Void Viaduct road

498
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I actually love to drive on. It's right there on

499
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the waterfront, has a seawall next to it. A high

500
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enough payload of explosives could put that seawall at risk.

501
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It put the first responders in a real conundrum. I mean,

502
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if you have enough payload in that tunnel to create

503
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one crack in that seawall, that tunnel is done and

504
00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:30,799
everyone in it is done, and if they stop traffic

505
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all the time. As I said, there's multiple exit points

506
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doors that you can get out there. Built there their

507
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,559
emergency exits on purpose. Sure they're under surveillance, but you

508
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,920
now first responders can't even get to the scene, let

509
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,759
alone get to all the exit points, you've got all

510
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sorts of people fleeing, and you just blend into the

511
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fleeing crowd. So with the carver and the extra carver analysis,

512
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how does a city like Seattle reduce risk at a

513
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circumstance like that.

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Speaker 3: It is not easy because, like to the UH, the

515
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good guys have to be right every single time. They

516
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,759
have to get it right. They can't get it wrong,

517
00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:07,440
you know, the bad guys only have to get it

518
00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:09,519
right once. It's a it's an old you know, kind

519
00:28:09,519 --> 00:28:12,920
of an old cliche, but it's very true. You have to,

520
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you know, potentially put restrictions on what goes through that tunnel.

521
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You know, I'm sure has Matt it's not allowed to

522
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go through. But I said, you don't know what's inside

523
00:28:21,319 --> 00:28:23,839
a box truck, right, you know it could be you know, look,

524
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look what happened in Oklahoma City right back in the

525
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early nineties with fertilizer and diesel fuel.

526
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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: You know that that's the kind of scenario you have

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to worry about. And then if they're if they're really

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dedicated and they're well trained, you also have to worry

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about secondary devices and attacks on first responders or places

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where the crowd gathers to get away from you know,

532
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what was the initial crisis site.

533
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would say this, I mean, and you're

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the expert. One thing I would just say to me

535
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is a no brainer is don't let them stop traffic anymore.

536
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Take that tactic away. So that that because right now

537
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,039
that tactic is treated as blaise. It's annoying. You know, hey,

538
00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:04,960
it's an inconvenience, but oh my gosh, they always doing this. No,

539
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,000
do not normalize that. Respond to that, instantly, drag the

540
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cars off, bring in tow trucks, make it costly, be

541
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,599
quick on a scene like that, So that tactic gets

542
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harder for them to do because it's not been normalized.

543
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I want to get back to the big picture for

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in a second, because there's something else that really just

545
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occurred to me that really really bothers me. That we

546
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had two for well, active duty one former US servicemen

547
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involved in attack on the same day, same car rental company.

548
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All that, I'll put a pin in that for the second.

549
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There's a lot of people going to be taking their

550
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kids to the Super Bowl, to the college football championship.

551
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You were just mentioning this scenario where hey, this is

552
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where the crowd's gather. You don't have to make it

553
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in a sports venue. So you've been helping individuals protect themselves.

554
00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:53,319
How do you have situational awareness around eighty thousand people.

555
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,359
Speaker 3: You have to be in the moment. You have to

556
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be living in the moment on and there's a example,

557
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:05,960
an unfortunate example from the New Orleans attack where I

558
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,000
published a video clip on our Instagram page where there's

559
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about there's three people in the middle of Bourbon Street

560
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and one woman is there, her head's down in her phone.

561
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The other two all of a sudden, they hear they

562
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sense the approaching danger. They start reacting. She is late

563
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to react, so the other two, the first two they

564
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managed to get off the X. The X is where

565
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:35,079
the bad thing happens. She started reacting. It looks like

566
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it's too late. I can't tell for sure in the

567
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video if she was hit, but it was a very

568
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good chance she did not survive that because that vehicle

569
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came through so fast. So you have to live in

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the moment. Get the heads out of the cell phone,

571
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pay attention to what's going on around you, not only

572
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be listening for things happening in the distance. There was

573
00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:54,559
another vehicle attacks some of years back in Nice, France,

574
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where the truck barreled through for over a mile, hitting people,

575
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I think some eighty people in a place that was

576
00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:06,240
reserved for pedestrians. So you have to live in the moment,

577
00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:09,039
pay attention to what happened in the distance, but also

578
00:31:09,119 --> 00:31:10,200
read the people around you.

579
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Speaker 1: Okay. So then there's also something you shared with this

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00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:20,680
on this program before is suspend your disbelief fanquished denial,

581
00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:24,920
vanquished denial. And I was watching in that footage that

582
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after the truck had gone by and the truck, the

583
00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:30,559
truck hads. I mean, the truck hadn't done this. Now

584
00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:32,880
it sounded like the mocking bird. The person driving the

585
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,519
truck that jihadis did this. He had mowed down people

586
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:38,319
in that white electric truck. Oh, by the way, they

587
00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:42,319
both rented electric trucks. Just still bugs me. I'm still

588
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:46,720
I'm still uneasy about all the coincidie. But the truck

589
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goes by and there's some young women. They ran into

590
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a building and this is that they live. But they're like, man,

591
00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:53,960
we're getting inside. I thought that was a good call,

592
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:59,279
because hey, maybe there's another truck. Dude stands there. He

593
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,920
was unmoved, and he's I look at that guy, and

594
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I'm reading into his mind of Wow, we had a

595
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car accident. No, you didn't. You just watched a series

596
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of murders. Protect yourself, Get out of there, get protection.

597
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But you've talked to us about scenarios in malls where

598
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there's mall shootings and people are in the cafeteria or

599
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whatever that's called the eatery. Yeah, the food court, then

600
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,759
the food court, pop pop pop pop pop pop, And

601
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:30,720
then we look at each other. Those sound like gunshots.

602
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,400
Oh no, those aren't gunshots. Is that what you mean

603
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:33,400
by vanquishing denial?

604
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Speaker 3: Yes, thanks. Sheet Denial is the second part of what

605
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,880
I call the three part triad of situational awareness. Denial

606
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has an oppressive body count, filled with people who couldn't

607
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:52,200
accept that it was happening right here, right now, and

608
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,079
it was happening to them. I've got when I teach

609
00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:58,240
situational awareness. I have a video clip you've used that

610
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I've taken from a number of interviews following mass shootings,

611
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and each person saying, I thought it was fireworks. I

612
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,880
thought it was fireworks. I thought it was fireworks, fireworks.

613
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,599
Don't go off in all food courts. You know, you

614
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,240
have to. You have to think that it's gun fire

615
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,799
until it's proven otherwise. Now, I understand that most people

616
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:20,799
aren't shooters. They haven't been shot at before. They don't

617
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:23,160
necessarily know what it sounds like. You know, they might

618
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,799
hear the big loud booms from you know, from a movie,

619
00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:28,759
those sound effects. It doesn't necessarily sound like that in

620
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:31,759
person when it's really happening. But you have to understand

621
00:33:32,039 --> 00:33:34,759
if you've the first part situation awareness is making the

622
00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:38,160
conscious decision to mentally switch on and you keep flipping

623
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,200
that metal switch until it automatically stays on, and you've

624
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,000
angers denial. You have to understand that bad things happen

625
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:47,599
to good people, and it can happen to you, and

626
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,000
it can happen right here, right now, and you have

627
00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:54,559
to understand, you know that you're already You have to

628
00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:56,559
be cognitanive of Okay, how do I get out of here?

629
00:33:56,599 --> 00:33:58,559
What am I doing? I'm always looking for exit points?

630
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,880
What do I do if this happens? I'm not standing

631
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,400
there looking at my cell phone. If I have to

632
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,799
look at my cell phone FM in a public space,

633
00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:06,839
then I'm going to either try to go inside somewhere.

634
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,800
I'm gonna put my back against the wall and still

635
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,840
pay attention. Heads still on a swivel. You're not paranoid

636
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,000
like some people say that's paranoia. No, the situational and

637
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:18,920
where who live in a relaxed state of alertness don't

638
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:19,800
have to be paranoid.

639
00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And people can get in touch with you to

640
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,920
get help with this, either for themselves or their organizations,

641
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,719
for their churches, which you know, God forbid. Apparently in

642
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,440
New Orleans some of the IDs that replaced one of

643
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,239
them was placed next to a Catholic church, and you know,

644
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,159
this guy said it was a war between the believers

645
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,639
and non believers. This is what the jihadi said. How

646
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:42,960
can people get in touch with you for their organizations

647
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,199
that you can come and train them.

648
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 3: They can email us at AOC dot security at adopcon

649
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,960
dot com. A's ad op c o N dot com.

650
00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:56,119
That's a direct email to the company. They can go

651
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:59,079
to our website which is at opcon dot com. They

652
00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:03,159
can people should sign up for our newsletters. Next time

653
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:05,199
we have a situation and we're going to training coming up,

654
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,559
we'll publish that. We'll push it out there. Everyone's on

655
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:14,800
the list they can it's aoc dots underscore security on

656
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,519
Instagram and on Twitter on x.

657
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Speaker 1: People make a decision. I think this is the way

658
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,440
I describe it, and I've described this with my daughter.

659
00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:25,440
I don't have your background ever served, but have been

660
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,039
around enough of you guys enough for enough years that

661
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:31,760
when we go into a situation, I always I've told

662
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,920
my daughter when we went on security runs, when she

663
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,440
was thinking of moving to Canada, I took her on

664
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,079
a walk through in downtown Spokane and said, we're going

665
00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:42,800
to look through dad's eyes. Okay, we get out of

666
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,079
the car, we make a decision. We're going to survive anything.

667
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,960
So I was showing her what do I see. We're

668
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,800
walking through the park and I look across the street

669
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:54,039
and I say, there's three people gathered in that alley.

670
00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:57,320
Why are they there? She just, well, I don't know.

671
00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:03,480
Let's think about it. People stand around an alley's yeah, right,

672
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:06,639
and so we don't know why they're there, but we

673
00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:09,599
can make some suppositions as we're watching. Oh look that

674
00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:13,400
one guy's handing another guy something. So they're trading something.

675
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:17,159
Do people trade things they're proud of secretly? So what's

676
00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:20,320
our decision. We just stay away from that. We made

677
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,559
this decision as we were waiting. Obviously, let's pretend we're

678
00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:24,159
waiting for a bus. Show me, hey, wait for a bus.

679
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:26,000
And she got up to the bus station, I said,

680
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,719
how do you know what's behind you? So I showed

681
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,119
her how to stand with her back to a post. Right,

682
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,840
here's how you do this in a case like the

683
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Super Bowl, a case like the college football championship. These

684
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,599
the events that are coming up. I hear you saying,

685
00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:43,400
you make the decision to survive something like that by

686
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,519
walking in and already and analyzing. Okay, so if a

687
00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:49,159
truck did come, let's say it made up on the

688
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:50,960
side and it was coming for me, how do I

689
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protect my family?

690
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: Now?

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00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: What is this scenario? If there is a shooter and

692
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,480
they're coming at the crowd, where are we going? So

693
00:36:57,599 --> 00:36:59,800
you're deciding that as you're walking up to the venue,

694
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you've already made these decisions.

695
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're you're looking for obstacles like on the side

696
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,119
of the road, whether it's uh, you know, traffic lights,

697
00:37:08,159 --> 00:37:11,239
you know, light posts, telephone poles that you can get

698
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,519
between you and a racing vehicle if the need arises,

699
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,280
in the clip that you're talking about where the folks were,

700
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,079
like the guys just standing there. I think it's the

701
00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:21,320
one where you have the redheaded woman managed to get

702
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,639
in just barely get out of the way. Yeah, if

703
00:37:23,679 --> 00:37:26,119
you look, I mean, if he'd come up on the sidewalk,

704
00:37:26,159 --> 00:37:27,760
he would have got most of those people. But if

705
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,559
you look a little bit further up the street and

706
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:32,320
the direction vehicle's coming from, looks like there's a dumpster there.

707
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,519
That's an obstacle. So no, no where those are. If

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00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:39,199
you're going to be watching a parade somewhere, get put

709
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,119
put yourself next to something like a couple of years back,

710
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,360
someone attacked a Christmas parade here in the US and

711
00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:49,440
just plowing through the bands, and you know, people there

712
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,639
know where those obstacles are. If it's you know, even

713
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,159
even a US mailbox that's you know, cemented into the

714
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,440
uh to the street, something that you can use for

715
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:03,840
cover which protects you from the attack. Is there an alcove,

716
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:05,800
you know, do you have just a blank wall behind

717
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,880
you or is there an alcove where you can get

718
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,920
in a little bit and off the sidewalk if they

719
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,880
come racing down the sidewalk, if you're going to a venue,

720
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,880
why not be the first one there, get through security fastest,

721
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:20,000
you know, Yeah, don't wait in the crowd. Schedule yourself accordingly.

722
00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:23,079
You and I have been to lunch several times right right,

723
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:23,639
over the years.

724
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:24,559
Speaker 1: We're always earlier.

725
00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:26,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, but who always gets there first?

726
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: Well, actually me, huh, it's usually me.

727
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 3: The one time I was offset.

728
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's right right, right right right, you were watching,

729
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:39,639
But like I got here, I got here before you

730
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:42,880
this morning, but only five minutes. But there's that also

731
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,960
that you know on time is late, et cetera. But no,

732
00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:48,400
that's great advice. Get there early, get in because at

733
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,440
least there's some security screening. I mean, it might not

734
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,320
be perfect security screening, but there's some perfect there's some

735
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,719
good security screening. Jason vander Kouri. This is from the

736
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,599
live stream. Jason is a it's a lot of things.

737
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:02,920
He's a farmer, he's a first responder, paramedic. It does

738
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,000
a lot of things. Probably doesn't just in this cop

739
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:09,239
duty as well as first responders were trained to always

740
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,719
have our head on a swivel. You never know what

741
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,360
is coming in any direction, especially accident scenes on high

742
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,000
speed roadways, but even on AID calls, so you guys

743
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,239
are trained for that. There's this I want to talk

744
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,559
about individuals and then wind back up into the individuals

745
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:27,880
that apparently did these things. And the greater picture of

746
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,840
what isis is looking for and personalities, because what I'm

747
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,800
really bothered by are two military personnel on the same day,

748
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:43,719
because to me, that sends a really disconcerting message. I

749
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,159
shared with you the story of my wife and I

750
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,119
dancing in this roadhouse and some guys sort of coming

751
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:50,760
in and I realized they're wrong, and then there were

752
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,960
bandidos and I talked to my wife and they're leaving.

753
00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:55,000
This is another circumstance. We lived in an area of

754
00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:57,440
town that bordered a not great area of town and

755
00:39:57,519 --> 00:39:59,639
my wife was pregnant, and believe or not, she was

756
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,000
jones for ice cream. That never happens, but she was.

757
00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:03,920
And I weighed for hunerd pounds at the time, so

758
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,760
what's another ten pounds? So I drove up to get

759
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,760
myself some ice cream, and I walked into seven to

760
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,159
eleven that have been there one hundred times. I'm back

761
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:13,119
at the ice cream thing and I turn around and

762
00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:18,719
it's a summer night. It's like eighty eight degrees high humidity,

763
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:23,039
and here come three guys with great, big jackets and

764
00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:27,440
hats on their heads. And that was my first attention grabber, Huh,

765
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,599
that's not right. And then one guy started trailing two

766
00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:35,440
of them around the store, looking over the shelves at them,

767
00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:40,320
hands in his pockets. I'm out, I'm done, and I

768
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,960
leave the store. I drive out. I'm thinking I got

769
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,679
to call the cops. But what am I going to say?

770
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,480
Guys is hand in his pockets? Yeah, So I drove

771
00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:52,119
up to another store and went home. Next day, in

772
00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:55,599
the news there was a shooting in that store, so

773
00:40:55,639 --> 00:40:58,079
it's their gang shooting. Two guys were shot. I can't

774
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:00,239
remember if anybody died, but two guys were shot, and

775
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,320
it was a half hour after I left that this

776
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:07,440
thing happened. Talk about individuals that situational awareness. What are

777
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,320
you looking for to be cautious if you're in these

778
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,639
crowd scenarios that we've been talking about, show me the profile.

779
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:17,639
Speaker 3: A lot of people who have been victims of violent

780
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:22,840
encounters have said that they knew something was off, something

781
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,000
was wrong before it happened, but they didn't want to

782
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:31,440
be accused of profiling based on race. Socioeconomic status, so

783
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,719
their denial went over their their judgment, their gut instinct.

784
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,280
Gut instincts the third part of the situation awareness triad,

785
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:46,840
So situationally where you do profile, but it's not based

786
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,320
on race, it's not based on perceived socioeconomic status. It's

787
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,320
based on demeanor and behavior. Like you saw, like what

788
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,119
looks out of place. If something looks out of place,

789
00:41:56,159 --> 00:42:00,480
that usually is summer day, big heavy coats, Okay, Usually

790
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:03,280
someone's only going to wear that to conceal something, either

791
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,519
something they already have or something they're going to require.

792
00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:08,599
So you're looking for a demeanor. You're looking for the

793
00:42:08,639 --> 00:42:12,559
things you're trusting your gut, your gut instinct or women's intuition.

794
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,920
And women are really good at situational awareness once they've

795
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,159
learned to switch on and obey that gut instinct. Your

796
00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:21,320
gut instinct is just that primitive ice age part of

797
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,880
your brain that's been hardwired into us for hundreds of

798
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,760
thousands of years to protect us from danger. And you

799
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,199
have to start by vanquishy denial. You free you then

800
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,239
free yourself to start listening to gut instinct, and then

801
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,400
you're going to start picking up on the clues around you.

802
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,239
You know, what's what looks out of place, Who's who's

803
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,039
paying too much attention to me, Who's who's making a

804
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:46,880
bee line towards me on an intercept course? You know,

805
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:49,519
then okay, then maybe I cross the street. You know,

806
00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:53,960
so you take those avoidance behaviors, and it's just situation

807
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,639
awareness is the art of avoiding trouble.

808
00:42:56,519 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would say it this way that I

809
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,320
you know, I think I gave us to the Holy spirits,

810
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,920
and the Holy Spirit consensed things can sense the presence

811
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,280
of evil. Evil is a thing, it's an identity, it is,

812
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:11,360
it's a spirit. And if you consense the thing is wrong,

813
00:43:12,199 --> 00:43:13,960
that might be God's speaking to you. We're told not

814
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,599
to have a spirit of fear, but you know we're

815
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:19,519
also given the skepticism. And in those crowd centeris there's

816
00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:24,079
other things that The cyber trucks circled the block countless times.

817
00:43:24,679 --> 00:43:27,000
So I'm thinking through the scenario of why would a

818
00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:30,159
box truck continue to circle the block? It has deliveries

819
00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:32,599
to make. Those are busy people. They're usually paid by

820
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:34,920
the delivery. I mean, they don't want to be circling

821
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,599
a block that's wasting their time and money. If I'm

822
00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:39,480
at the college football game, which I'm not going to

823
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,280
be that, I see a box truck go by for

824
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,239
the fifth time, I'm able to look at that going Okay,

825
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,840
that's not right. They know where they're going. They're not

826
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,320
going to be wasting time. Unless it's an ad on

827
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,719
the side, I'd be looking for things like that as well.

828
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that, And if you see a vehicle, try to

829
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,159
pay attention to the driver, what's their dreaminer Like, how

830
00:43:57,159 --> 00:44:03,519
are they behaving. Having done a lot of surveillance and

831
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,079
counter surveillance and then training people in both, you know,

832
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,760
you start seeing things in vehicles in traffic. I'm very

833
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,960
attuned to if I'm going through a parking lot, noticing

834
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:17,840
vehicles that are occupied but no one appears to be

835
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,880
getting out or getting in and like putting grocers away,

836
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:23,480
So you get attuned to that. Then what's their demeanor?

837
00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:26,000
If their head down on the phone. Okay, there might

838
00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:28,239
be someone who's just tuned out, but are they paying

839
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,320
attention to what's going on around them? And once you're

840
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,679
switched on, you start seeing everyone else who is You

841
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,000
start picking up on their behavior. You can tell when

842
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:40,800
someone even if there were you know, exercise and relaxed alertness.

843
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,519
You can tell when they're switched on. You can say, Okay,

844
00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:45,760
you know, I'm going to keep an eye on him.

845
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,480
It might be someone who could be an ally if

846
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,480
something happens, but it could also be someone who's setting

847
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:51,599
up to do something bad.

848
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. And so in terms of setting up to

849
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:56,599
do bad, I want to wind this back to my

850
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,840
gut feeling. Okay, this is my gut feeling different. Apparently

851
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:07,360
we have two guys who one was active military, had

852
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,960
a stellar career. Another guy appeared to have I mean

853
00:45:11,039 --> 00:45:13,840
a career I don't want to I mean, I don't

854
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,159
know that it was a distinguished career, but he had one.

855
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,639
They come from the same military base. And you said, Todd,

856
00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:23,599
there's sixty thousand people there. That's like, that's bad analysis scale.

857
00:45:23,639 --> 00:45:28,880
I'm just saying, gut. They both rent electric vehicles, electric trucks.

858
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:36,079
They both have remote blow up devices, and they both

859
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,840
go and eventually like one guy doesn't apparently succeed in

860
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,320
triggering that. But they both have weapons. It appeared to

861
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:48,960
be after action weapons rifles. Now the cog in this,

862
00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:52,760
of course, is the Las Vegas guy. Apparently shot himself

863
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,800
in the head or that was inflicted by a bullet wound,

864
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,599
that's what the said. The cops said had a bolt

865
00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:03,639
wound inflicted maybe upon him, but we don't know. Thinking

866
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:11,599
like ISIS you have activated a cell of active duty

867
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:17,800
and former military. That would be a huge fundraiser. That

868
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,639
would be a huge thing to take to evil Jahadi

869
00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:24,639
donors to say we told you we have these cells,

870
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:28,840
We've got access to military people. Now we're going to

871
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,599
start turning those on. That really worries me. I don't

872
00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:34,679
see any reason to believe that about the Las Vegas

873
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,280
guy again, appeared to have a stellar career, But my

874
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,239
gut tells me, wouldn't that be the dream get for ISIS.

875
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. I want to say though that you know, it's

876
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,119
actually gut wrenching that a Special Forces brother, you know,

877
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,960
did something like this, and I don't think he was

878
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,199
motivated by any jihatic goals or anything like that. There's

879
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:57,920
still more, there's still a more follow on that what

880
00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:01,760
ISIS has been doing and al Kaeda for years they've

881
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,880
been calling they used to we used to use the

882
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,239
term lone wolves. Now in security industry we say loan actors.

883
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,119
Because some people might think the term lone wolf is

884
00:47:10,199 --> 00:47:13,679
kind of glorifying and might inspire them. But they've been

885
00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:16,320
trying to get loan actors to do things for years

886
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:21,679
and they're succeeding, you know, not on a completely regular basis,

887
00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:24,320
but often enough that it's worrying and it's that kind

888
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,679
of influence. And that's still the more likely scenario. The

889
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,039
uh you know, the more dangerous we would call the

890
00:47:30,199 --> 00:47:34,079
uh MDCA most dangerous course of action will be, you know,

891
00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:37,320
a cell doing a complex attack. Most likely course of

892
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:42,400
action is additional loan actors, additional vehicle ram in attacks.

893
00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:44,159
Why a vehicle ram in attack.

894
00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 1: Because they work.

895
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 3: You know, people are vulnerable out there, especially in crowds.

896
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,239
They're not paying attention. It's a So that's your most

897
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,199
likely I expect in the coming year we'll probably see

898
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,119
additional copycats, probably more of them in Europe than in

899
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:02,639
the United States. But there's absolutely no reason not to

900
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,440
expect something to happen here. I mean in the industry

901
00:48:06,519 --> 00:48:09,840
and me personally and you know us us talking privately,

902
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:10,800
I've said this.

903
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: Coming, yeah, And there's a lot of people who said

904
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,639
the big one is coming to that multi city high

905
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,159
casualty events are coming. I've said this countless times. You

906
00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:25,000
would have to believe that you're now. I'm not saying

907
00:48:25,039 --> 00:48:29,840
moral equivalents, but tactical strategic equivalents haven't looked and done

908
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,679
this scenario that me a goof did about a tunnel.

909
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,599
They've got better plans than I have, I mean, and

910
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,559
more catastrophic. This is from Natemo watching us live on

911
00:48:39,559 --> 00:48:42,760
Rumble and he asked us, so, if we're caught in

912
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,039
a protest roadblock, how should we handle that situation? And

913
00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:49,239
he put two question marks in that, So what do

914
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,280
you do? You're in that car, they've shut down the roads.

915
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,400
You know you can't go anywhere, and you're being blocked.

916
00:48:56,079 --> 00:48:59,239
And I brought about that scenario of Okay, there's going

917
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:00,440
to be a time when they get out of their

918
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,559
cars and start shooting people and stuff starts blowing up.

919
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,920
That's a great question. What do you do in that scenario?

920
00:49:05,519 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're caught in that if nothing kinetic

921
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:11,880
is happening. By that means I mean shooting people, throwing

922
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,199
fire bombs and stuff, you're probably safer in your vehicle,

923
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,400
but you also need to make that assessment. You may

924
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,079
need to abandon the vehicle and get out there. Remember

925
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:24,360
I said, the X is the place where bad things happen.

926
00:49:24,679 --> 00:49:27,000
You know, you have to get yourself off the X.

927
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: Okay, So if.

928
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 3: Something's happening, get out, abandoned the vehicle. You know, it

929
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,639
might get toted later, it might get burned, but at

930
00:49:33,679 --> 00:49:34,599
least you're not inside it.

931
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,159
Speaker 1: So it's again another scenario where you're making the decision

932
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:40,960
ahead of time. So you're stopped in traffic. And here's

933
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,440
the way my mind would work. I would say, okay,

934
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,599
right now, I'm in my car. I'm going to be armed,

935
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,079
so I'm going to make sure I've got good access

936
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:51,960
to my weapon. Do a press check. Okay, I'm okay.

937
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,039
I'm going to be able to at least defend myself

938
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:56,559
and my family. But I might also be If I'm

939
00:49:56,599 --> 00:49:58,440
in that tunnel, I'm going to be looking okay, exit

940
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:01,119
ahead of me, behind me, maybe t eating like an airplane.

941
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,719
Now for me, if I start seeing people getting out

942
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,119
of their cars up there, I'm out. I mean, if

943
00:50:06,199 --> 00:50:09,039
I'm alone, that's one thing. But if I'm with my daughter,

944
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yeah we're out. We're going to hit that exit door

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right now. And you know what, we're just gonna stand

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there and maybe we're not going to go anywhere. But

947
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if bad things start happening, we're done, We're out. So

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is that viable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the don't necessarily think in terms of, you know,

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I've decided ahead of time before an event happens, exactly

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what I'm gonna do. But because you have to consider

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the options before an event happens. Ok So, be prepared

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to do A or B or C depending on how

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the situation is unfolding. Okay, So you have that by

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having your situation awareness turned on, you know, you've got

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that mental agility to be looking around, looking near and far,

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looking depth, you know what's happening around you. And then

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you've already know that you've got some decisions that you

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can make, and then when you make that decision, execute it.

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Speaker 1: To remember, when I was just my daughter, we were

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down in De des Moines's beach and we were the

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tide was way out. It was an amazing day, and

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we were digging clams and we were finding crabs and

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some big crabs and sea stars. And I'd set these

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sticks in the sand and my point was, I'm going

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to watch the sticks to see where the tide is

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at because if the tide comes in real quickly, we're out.

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And so I probably do border on paranoia. And my

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daughter still tells that story of it was really cool though,

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because the sticks started getting covered up and I got

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to watch while the tide's coming in. She said, but

972
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what were you concerned? Abut, I said, tsunami. The tide

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was way out when we got there. I'd never seen

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it that far out. That was weird. So if it

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started coming back in quick, we're gone. We're out of there.

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So you're saying, don't make the course of action. But

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you're in that time. You're on that freeway, you're up high,

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you're in a third level freeway. You're going to be thinking, Okay,

979
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there's two or three exits behind me. Are there ladders? Hey?

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Is there a truck I could get into? Like, is

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there a security other cops around?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: How can I get out of this? So that you've

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now stockpiled a B and C scenario, but you're looking

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for you are going to be aware of a trigger moment.

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Four different people just got out of a car at

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the same time and they're walking this way. I'm out. Yeah, okay,

988
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all right, Well We appreciate you having all this expertise,

989
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and I want to tell you, I I hope I

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didn't cause you pain by talking about your Special Forces

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brother in that way and that and that he might

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have been radicalized. Yeah, I mean, I see a sign

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of that.

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Speaker 3: Pepe. People are asking questions, and you know it's you're

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right to ask questions. You know, questions need to be asked,

996
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Everything needs to be looked at. I said, it's just

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personally gut wrenching that it happened to someone you know

998
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from you know, I wasn't an intense Special Forces group,

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but from my regiment, someone who's probably obviously in a

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lot of pain or for whatever happened. And we've lost

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far too many of our number to suicide after they've

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survived combat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, far too man. I appreciate you coming on, Mike,

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and hey, listen, Gods, we'll be with these families. We

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need to pray into that and make sure that we

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remember that we've talked about this like it's a news event,

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and I will just continue and press upon people this

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isn't a news event. To the people who lost loved

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ones and to the people who now have loved ones,

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are responsible for deaths. So Lord, thank you for the

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opportunity to show, thank you for the week of programming.

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Thank you for everybody joined us live, everybody watching it

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or listening. Letter. This is the Todd Hermer Show. Please go,

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be well, be strong, be kind, and please make every

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effort to walk in the light of Christ.