Speaker 1: So a responsible commentator, an international security consultant, former Special
Forces soldier. I wrote operator in the subject line of
the email for this my fault. Operator means something I
should remind myself. Never try to use military jargon means
a thing. So especial Forces soldier is with us, Michael Rourke.
He gets to be the responsible one looking at all
the data, looking at it dispassionately. I get to be
the person who breaks the Ben Shapiro rule, sorry man
of just asking questions, and I have a ton of
them about the New Orleans and Las Vegas terrorist attacks.
So we'll get a much more important point of view
than mine. Michael roc actually knows what he's talking about.
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Speaker 1: Today is the day the Lord has made, and these
are the times through which God has decided we shall live.
My friend Michael Rourke joins us. All the way in
the studio in the High Mountain for America. We shake hands
on set. Good to see you, my friend, Thank you
for coming. Let me just ask you this the Let's
start with Las Vegas and what went on there. And
I don't say guys' names when something this happens, because
sometimes they want their name said or wanted them said.
But let's talk job capabilities and what we know about
this former Special Forces soldier and his capabilities, starting with
the big question. A lot of people asking, you're telling
me this guy couldn't have built a better bomb.
Speaker 3: I think he definitely could have, even though I said
he was a military occupational especially is for eighteen Echo,
which is SF Communication Sergeant, eighteen Fox Special Forces Intel sergeant,
and then eighteen Zulu Special Forces Operations sergeant or a
team sergeant ODA, so explosives not his primary job. But yeah,
everyone gets training, and there are other courses out there
that he may have gone to where you could definitely
put together a competent device, even with materials that are
available out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, and what he put together was not set to
go as a high order detonation. So there's a lot
of questions to be answered. There.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, there's a whole series of questions I
think that are going to be answered and have to
be answered I personally, and you guys, you might be
in a different position than me on this. I have
a very limited reserve of trust for the leadership of
the FBI. So I'm watching this unfolds in Las Vegas
and I hear, okay, currently, this guy shot himself in
the head. We'll talk about that in a second. But
there's this video. It's a second one we have up today, Alex,
we're going to switch orders that apparently they determined quickly
through a corner that this guy shot himself in the
head before the device went off.
Speaker 4: For they're complicating this identification of this individual. We also
discovered through the coroner's office that the individual had sustained
a gunshot wound to the head prior to the detonation
of the vehicle. One of the handguns was found at
his feet inside of the of the vehicle.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about this real quick and then we'll
get into the bigger picture. But this stuff is everybody's
questioning this. The cyber truck pulls up. Seventeen seconds later,
the bomb goes off, the poorly built bomb inside of
a well sealed truck, and this guy had off himself already.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what they're saying. I mean, how do
they tournament so fast? If the if the handgun that
was used was I said, the one one of the
ones they found in the truck, which is a Desert
Eagle fifty caliber action Express, it's gonna leave a half
inch sized hole, you know, in one side, and then
probably a much larger hole on the other side. So
that might be fairly easy to determine.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: But and I don't think the bomb was designed for fragmentation,
so probably not a shrapnel hole. But but if you've
got a half inch on one side and then a
one inch exit you know, or more exit wound, you know,
it might be possible to see that fairly quick, even
on a badly burned body.
Speaker 1: Okay, So that could be obvious. I mean, if you
know what you're looking for and you've seen things like this,
it could be obvious this guy was shot and you
don't think there would have been a lot of fragmentation.
Maybe you've watched the video, you know what a bomb
looks like. Unfortunately, you've probably been too close to too many
of them. Do you buy that his ID survived this?
Speaker 3: It all depends on where it was, you know, was
it on him? I mean, you know those things his
military idea or an excess card cat card is you
know it's plastic, it's not paper. Yeah, and it looks
like it's sustained some damage. Yeah, but you'd be surprised
what survives an explosion.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, you've done some research and apparently there is
a manifesto and we'll talk about this in a second
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You've been doing your own research in this, Micael Rourke.
And apparently there is supposedly a manifesto that a pretty
well known podcaster has.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that episode's apparently not out yet. He released
a kind of I guess you call it a teaser
this morning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sean Ryan, Yeah, Sean Ryan.
Speaker 3: Supposedly there is an analyst or a former analyst that
received an email from the Vegas guy, you know, from
the active duty Special Forces soldier that said probably says
why he's doing this, and some information I'm seeing says
he names names. What that means remains to be seen,
because as as we're doing this show now, that episode
of Sean Ryan Show is not out yet.
Speaker 1: So if this is real, and if it's his manifest though,
then we're gonna have to match this up against a
really a career that was on the rise, and you
had actually posted something. You sent me something this morning,
Texas came from Jack Murphy, and Jack was aware apparently
this manifest was coming up. But he writes in this
tweet that you forwarded me. This guy sounds like he
had a lot of respect, that he was on the rise,
getting more and more responsibility. So this is complete supposition
between you and I. But if he did this thing,
and I have my doubts, I have severe doubts about this,
But if he did this thing, it seems like something
no pun intended blew up in his life.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, again, as you say, supposition, but I've heard,
you know, without attribution anywhere that I think his second
marriage was apparently just fallen apart right before Christmas, and
and his his wife, I mean, they just had a
baby back in June, I think, you know, so they
have an infant. Where does something happened? And when you
combine that, you know, if you got these stressors building
up along with I think he's got like some five
combat tours you know that can that can do something
to a guy. Yeah, so it's it's hard to say.
Hopefully we don't know if it's an actual manifesto or
did he just send an email named some things maybe
you know, explanations there, But based on what I saw,
I mean, yeah, it was a kind of a spectacular
look and explosion, but really didn't really cause damage. I
just don't know what was going through his mind.
Speaker 1: Oh no, And I don't think any of us do.
And I don't want to make this. I don't mean
this to be to be glib, but a lot of
people in the Special Forces community have been saying Desert Eagle. Yeah, okay,
I have yet to meet someone in Special Forces. In fact,
it's telling you earlier, our common friend Tim Krukshank from
Bone Frog said ask O'Rourke about the desert.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I don't know anyone that has one. It's
it's not a it's more like a I mean, yeah,
it's a very powerful weapon, but it's almost more like
a toy. Like you guts to spare money and your
gun collection is already pretty filled out with, you know,
all the stuff you want. What am I going to
get now is just to have fun with? So yeah,
it's definitely a strange choice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was also this, and this is this is
disconcerting to me that this comes from Matt Tardio, and
she wrote to wait before assuming guilt. Matthew Olisberger is
the suspecting the Tesla bombing at the Trump Hotel. Twice
last month, someone pretending to be a Green Beret from
my former Operation Detachment Alpha sister team contacted me and
showed extensive knowledge of personal information about the Green Beret
they were claiming to be who's still in active duty.
The person who contacted me claimed to be a suicidal
likely in an attempted to get me to swat his
you know end quotes house with either police or Green
Berets to make sure he was okay. This would have
given away his location if it was not already known.
Matt Leusberger served in the same ODA and held the
same position as the person who was impersonated. A lot
is not adding up about this situation in Vegas. I
read that, I think about scenarios. I do not trust
the FBI, and I start to wonder, okay, so they
have their guy. I don't think there's any question about
the guy in Orleans who we need to talk about
that because that gave me chills, because you've been warning
us about something. But I'm looking at a scenario where
this guy is either taking against his will or told
he needs to do a thing, he refuses to do
a thing, they shoot him in the head, strap his
hands to the cyber trucks during wheel, which apparently has
an autopilot mode which requires you to touch this during wheel,
but full self driving doesn't. But you said you need
to be in it. There needs to be an attentive
driver there, and they send the car in front of
the hotel and blow it up.
Speaker 3: Elon Musk, in a tweet yesterday, said that has to
be an attentive driver behind the behind the wall. I've
only seen cyber trucks driving pass on the road, so
I have no idea how they actually operate. Yeah, but
you've known me long enough to know how I generally
feel about conspiracies as well, and often, you know, the
simplest answer is closer to the truth. And I still
think it's gonna probably come down to something happened in
his life where he decided to you know, take take
you know, take the off ramp, and just for some reason,
chose to do it in a very spectacular fashion.
Speaker 1: Okay, so this still gets me to the biggest question
of questions. Both these guys rent electric trucks, both of
them rent them from the same company. Both of them
do this on the same day, both of them with
remote detonation devices, both of them in the vehicle. The
guy in northerns having gotten out and tried to shoot.
The guy in Vegas had weapons. He had a rifle,
but I've heard and seen images that show no optics
mechanisms on it, so no ability to like actually aimed
the rifle. You could point it, but not aim it.
And that's a lot of commonalities the Fort Bragg and
you're not as bothered by that as I am the
Fort Liberty, Fort Bragg. I just see all these connections,
and we have the FBI saying there's no there's no
connection to this at all.
Speaker 3: There's a no sign of any radicalization on in the
Vegas case, like you know, jihadis Islamic radicalization that I've
been able to determine. There are a lot of strange coincidences.
Maybe they are just that. I think there's still a
lot more that it has to be learned. But yeah,
the normans. One definitely jihadis attack, definitely isis inspired and
one of the things I've been warning about ever since
the doors of the southern border were thrown wide open.
Speaker 1: Okay, and there's something very specific you've been warning us about,
and I'm going to remind people of that here in
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family in New Orleans. So much to talk about here
as well. Apparently the Nor Orleans killer had been saying,
and now this is the FBI director saying this has
been taken down. There's some debate did he mean recently
or not. Fox News reports that this guy had become radicalized,
This family had separated from him because they were concerned
about him, and he'd been apparently posting something.
Speaker 5: My platform proclaiming his support for ices. There were five
videos posted on Jabbar's Facebook account which are time stamped,
beginning at one twenty nine am.
Speaker 1: And the last at three h two am.
Speaker 5: In the first video, Jabbar explains he originally planned to
harm his family and friends, but was concerned the news
headlines would not focus on the quote war between the
believers and the disbelievers end quote. Additionally, he stated he
had joined ISIS before this summer.
Speaker 1: He also provided a will and testing. There's also been
some videos posted and taken down from TikTok saying that
this guy had posted things early on, maybe months ago,
that that's being debated, So fair enough. But when this
guy's posting things like this, he's been radicalized. Here's what
gave me chills. He got out of the vehicle. He
did not intend to kill himself. You have been warning
us about this. Please explain the significance of someone going
and ramming people down and killing them and then getting
out to continue shooting.
Speaker 3: The I mean, that's reminiscent of I believe it was
the London Bridge attack in London and some years back
where they did the vehicle ramming attack, and then I
think it was two or three jihadis jumped out with
knives and started going after people. That's a that makes
it more of a complex attack and whether he intended
to die or survive and live to fight another day,
he was still bent on inflicting further casualties. I know
he shot two police officers who were engaging him. And
one of the things I've long worried about is whether
it's individual or a sell that they do an attack,
but like say like say, you know, the attack by rifle, fire,
break contact, you know, study, study the media afterwards, get
their lessons learned, and then launch another attack and keep
trying to survive and do more and more attacks. That's
that's a more complex scenario because most of the jihadis,
you know, tend to go on one way missions. But if
they start doing that more like insurgents like we were
fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan, where they want to do
an attack and then come back and hit you again,
that's a more dangerous complex thing. Fortunately, most people don't
seem to be going that route and it's hard for
them to organize. But with the border having been opened
for pretty much the last four years, we don't know
who's come in. There's like I think some two million gutaways,
those who are never encountered by the border patrol. But
even amongst those who were encountered. There have been hundreds
on the terrorists watch list, and I always thought, well,
the smart ones, the really dedicated ones, they're not going
to get caught. They're not going to get into the system.
They're going to come in where we don't even know
they're here, and then try to link up with either
supporters or someone in their own home country diaspora and
then start building their plans from there.
Speaker 1: If you were going to put on Agiatis hat and
you wanted to plan a scenario like that where there's
a mash cash event and then there's an after action
and then people disappear into the ether to go live
and shoot and kill again, what would you concentrate on
it'd be.
Speaker 3: It could be anything from I say sporting events, not
necessarily attacking the venue, but you hit the crowds that
before they even get to the security perimeter for the event.
Bourbon Street is a classic example. You could hit anything, schools, malls,
just just imagine hitting not It doesn't have to be
spectacular like saying big cities, imagine a small town getting
shot up where there's shorter, I mean possibly a longer
response time because there's a lot smaller law enforcement presence, right,
much easier to escape, and then you come back and
do that again. You start having the attacks going around
small town America, big cities where all of a sudden,
no one's feeling safe anywhere, and that has a real
stabilizing effect an insurgency point of view, that casts doubt
upon the legitimacy of the existing government's ability to protect
its citizens. So it has that's a more of a
strategic impact.
Speaker 1: And what is then the psychological goal of something like
that In a country this size, there's fear, there's destabilization.
But you take five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten attacks
like this, what are they looking to crumble by those
sort of of tactics.
Speaker 3: It depends on who's doing it and what their ultimate
goals are. Most these people will probably publish their goals,
you know, their their demands, whether it's you know, the
US out or the Middle East, stopping support for Israel,
or or something domestic where they're looking for demands from
from the US government within the United States. So yeah,
it just all depends on where they're coming from and
what their particular ideology is.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to make a prediction because I think
I just feel that it is only a matter of
time until they do this particular thing. And maybe I've
shared this with you before, is I agree with what
you're saying about small towns. A small town school, go
take it over or kill twenty kids disappear into the woods.
You got you know the state. The police are on
the way, but they're an hour away. They had a
couple of local cops and there are way out guns
and you know, there's fifteen guys, five guys there in
the woods. Maybe they catch one of them. This is
my nightmare that I just think is so so easily doable.
Is they keep doing these vehicle protests and they just
shut down these freeways. So I think about you know
where we live, Seattle, and they've got that funky waterfront
tunnel it's not super well built, and they do a protest.
They shut down the traffic ahead of that tunnel, and
they get out the Hamas flags and the ISIS flags
and oh, it's just another protest. It's just another inconvenience
in a Friday afternoon at five point thirty. And then
once the cars are good and stopped and there's two hundred,
four hundred, five hundred one thousand people. That's when the
jahadists who are on the other side of the tunnel
get out. They meet in the middle and they start
going through the cars and plugging people, and when first
Reefinund respond they get there, that's when they light off
the actual car bound bombs, right, that's when they actually
light that off. And there's all sorts of escape doors
up and down that tunnel that people who know where
they're at and that practice that activity, they can be
out of there in five minutes and into the ether
of a city. To me, it's just a matter of time.
And so they do something like that. They'd have to
be stupid to not do that.
Speaker 3: It almost sounds like you've done a target analysis using
the Carver matrix to determine the criticality and vulnerability of
a target.
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it's almost like I use the Carver analysis to find
the points of which you say a vulnerability unpacked that
I explain that for US.
Speaker 3: Carver is an acronym that has been used by special
forces for decades to do it assessment. You can use
it offensively to figure out the best way you know
to attack a target, like how is it vulnerable? How
critical is it to the you know, to the enemy,
And you can also use it defensively. I use it
defensively a lot to help businesses become more resilient and stronger.
So it's if you look at the equation you have threat,
which is, you know what possible threats can are out
there that might come after you or come after something
in general, your vulnerability to that threat, and then the
combination of threat and vulnerability equals your risk. So the
idea behind the defensive target analysis is to reduce the
vulnerability to the threats that are out there and thus
you lower your risk.
Speaker 1: So in that scenario that I provided you, then we
could talk about businesses and homes and people's lives like
walking through a mall or say, you know, being let's
some people are going to go to the super Bowl,
they're going to the college football championship. Like, maybe there's
ways to reduce your risk and public there. Let's go
back through the scenario I presented you. The Waterfront Tunnel
in Seattle, which replaced the beautiful Alaska Void Viaduct road
I actually love to drive on. It's right there on
the waterfront, has a seawall next to it. A high
enough payload of explosives could put that seawall at risk.
It put the first responders in a real conundrum. I mean,
if you have enough payload in that tunnel to create
one crack in that seawall, that tunnel is done and
everyone in it is done, and if they stop traffic
all the time. As I said, there's multiple exit points
doors that you can get out there. Built there their
emergency exits on purpose. Sure they're under surveillance, but you
now first responders can't even get to the scene, let
alone get to all the exit points, you've got all
sorts of people fleeing, and you just blend into the
fleeing crowd. So with the carver and the extra carver analysis,
how does a city like Seattle reduce risk at a
circumstance like that.
Speaker 3: It is not easy because, like to the UH, the
good guys have to be right every single time. They
have to get it right. They can't get it wrong,
you know, the bad guys only have to get it
right once. It's a it's an old you know, kind
of an old cliche, but it's very true. You have to,
you know, potentially put restrictions on what goes through that tunnel.
You know, I'm sure has Matt it's not allowed to
go through. But I said, you don't know what's inside
a box truck, right, you know it could be you know, look,
look what happened in Oklahoma City right back in the
early nineties with fertilizer and diesel fuel.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: You know that that's the kind of scenario you have
to worry about. And then if they're if they're really
dedicated and they're well trained, you also have to worry
about secondary devices and attacks on first responders or places
where the crowd gathers to get away from you know,
what was the initial crisis site.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would say this, I mean, and you're
the expert. One thing I would just say to me
is a no brainer is don't let them stop traffic anymore.
Take that tactic away. So that that because right now
that tactic is treated as blaise. It's annoying. You know, hey,
it's an inconvenience, but oh my gosh, they always doing this. No,
do not normalize that. Respond to that, instantly, drag the
cars off, bring in tow trucks, make it costly, be
quick on a scene like that, So that tactic gets
harder for them to do because it's not been normalized.
I want to get back to the big picture for
in a second, because there's something else that really just
occurred to me that really really bothers me. That we
had two for well, active duty one former US servicemen
involved in attack on the same day, same car rental company.
All that, I'll put a pin in that for the second.
There's a lot of people going to be taking their
kids to the Super Bowl, to the college football championship.
You were just mentioning this scenario where hey, this is
where the crowd's gather. You don't have to make it
in a sports venue. So you've been helping individuals protect themselves.
How do you have situational awareness around eighty thousand people.
Speaker 3: You have to be in the moment. You have to
be living in the moment on and there's a example,
an unfortunate example from the New Orleans attack where I
published a video clip on our Instagram page where there's
about there's three people in the middle of Bourbon Street
and one woman is there, her head's down in her phone.
The other two all of a sudden, they hear they
sense the approaching danger. They start reacting. She is late
to react, so the other two, the first two they
managed to get off the X. The X is where
the bad thing happens. She started reacting. It looks like
it's too late. I can't tell for sure in the
video if she was hit, but it was a very
good chance she did not survive that because that vehicle
came through so fast. So you have to live in
the moment. Get the heads out of the cell phone,
pay attention to what's going on around you, not only
be listening for things happening in the distance. There was
another vehicle attacks some of years back in Nice, France,
where the truck barreled through for over a mile, hitting people,
I think some eighty people in a place that was
reserved for pedestrians. So you have to live in the moment,
pay attention to what happened in the distance, but also
read the people around you.
Speaker 1: Okay. So then there's also something you shared with this
on this program before is suspend your disbelief fanquished denial,
vanquished denial. And I was watching in that footage that
after the truck had gone by and the truck, the
truck hads. I mean, the truck hadn't done this. Now
it sounded like the mocking bird. The person driving the
truck that jihadis did this. He had mowed down people
in that white electric truck. Oh, by the way, they
both rented electric trucks. Just still bugs me. I'm still
I'm still uneasy about all the coincidie. But the truck
goes by and there's some young women. They ran into
a building and this is that they live. But they're like, man,
we're getting inside. I thought that was a good call,
because hey, maybe there's another truck. Dude stands there. He
was unmoved, and he's I look at that guy, and
I'm reading into his mind of Wow, we had a
car accident. No, you didn't. You just watched a series
of murders. Protect yourself, Get out of there, get protection.
But you've talked to us about scenarios in malls where
there's mall shootings and people are in the cafeteria or
whatever that's called the eatery. Yeah, the food court, then
the food court, pop pop pop pop pop pop, And
then we look at each other. Those sound like gunshots.
Oh no, those aren't gunshots. Is that what you mean
by vanquishing denial?
Speaker 3: Yes, thanks. Sheet Denial is the second part of what
I call the three part triad of situational awareness. Denial
has an oppressive body count, filled with people who couldn't
accept that it was happening right here, right now, and
it was happening to them. I've got when I teach
situational awareness. I have a video clip you've used that
I've taken from a number of interviews following mass shootings,
and each person saying, I thought it was fireworks. I
thought it was fireworks. I thought it was fireworks, fireworks.
Don't go off in all food courts. You know, you
have to. You have to think that it's gun fire
until it's proven otherwise. Now, I understand that most people
aren't shooters. They haven't been shot at before. They don't
necessarily know what it sounds like. You know, they might
hear the big loud booms from you know, from a movie,
those sound effects. It doesn't necessarily sound like that in
person when it's really happening. But you have to understand
if you've the first part situation awareness is making the
conscious decision to mentally switch on and you keep flipping
that metal switch until it automatically stays on, and you've
angers denial. You have to understand that bad things happen
to good people, and it can happen to you, and
it can happen right here, right now, and you have
to understand, you know that you're already You have to
be cognitanive of Okay, how do I get out of here?
What am I doing? I'm always looking for exit points?
What do I do if this happens? I'm not standing
there looking at my cell phone. If I have to
look at my cell phone FM in a public space,
then I'm going to either try to go inside somewhere.
I'm gonna put my back against the wall and still
pay attention. Heads still on a swivel. You're not paranoid
like some people say that's paranoia. No, the situational and
where who live in a relaxed state of alertness don't
have to be paranoid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And people can get in touch with you to
get help with this, either for themselves or their organizations,
for their churches, which you know, God forbid. Apparently in
New Orleans some of the IDs that replaced one of
them was placed next to a Catholic church, and you know,
this guy said it was a war between the believers
and non believers. This is what the jihadi said. How
can people get in touch with you for their organizations
that you can come and train them.
Speaker 3: They can email us at AOC dot security at adopcon
dot com. A's ad op c o N dot com.
That's a direct email to the company. They can go
to our website which is at opcon dot com. They
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we have a situation and we're going to training coming up,
we'll publish that. We'll push it out there. Everyone's on
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Speaker 1: People make a decision. I think this is the way
I describe it, and I've described this with my daughter.
I don't have your background ever served, but have been
around enough of you guys enough for enough years that
when we go into a situation, I always I've told
my daughter when we went on security runs, when she
was thinking of moving to Canada, I took her on
a walk through in downtown Spokane and said, we're going
to look through dad's eyes. Okay, we get out of
the car, we make a decision. We're going to survive anything.
So I was showing her what do I see. We're
walking through the park and I look across the street
and I say, there's three people gathered in that alley.
Why are they there? She just, well, I don't know.
Let's think about it. People stand around an alley's yeah, right,
and so we don't know why they're there, but we
can make some suppositions as we're watching. Oh look that
one guy's handing another guy something. So they're trading something.
Do people trade things they're proud of secretly? So what's
our decision. We just stay away from that. We made
this decision as we were waiting. Obviously, let's pretend we're
waiting for a bus. Show me, hey, wait for a bus.
And she got up to the bus station, I said,
how do you know what's behind you? So I showed
her how to stand with her back to a post. Right,
here's how you do this in a case like the
Super Bowl, a case like the college football championship. These
the events that are coming up. I hear you saying,
you make the decision to survive something like that by
walking in and already and analyzing. Okay, so if a
truck did come, let's say it made up on the
side and it was coming for me, how do I
protect my family?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: What is this scenario? If there is a shooter and
they're coming at the crowd, where are we going? So
you're deciding that as you're walking up to the venue,
you've already made these decisions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're you're looking for obstacles like on the side
of the road, whether it's uh, you know, traffic lights,
you know, light posts, telephone poles that you can get
between you and a racing vehicle if the need arises,
in the clip that you're talking about where the folks were,
like the guys just standing there. I think it's the
one where you have the redheaded woman managed to get
in just barely get out of the way. Yeah, if
you look, I mean, if he'd come up on the sidewalk,
he would have got most of those people. But if
you look a little bit further up the street and
the direction vehicle's coming from, looks like there's a dumpster there.
That's an obstacle. So no, no where those are. If
you're going to be watching a parade somewhere, get put
put yourself next to something like a couple of years back,
someone attacked a Christmas parade here in the US and
just plowing through the bands, and you know, people there
know where those obstacles are. If it's you know, even
even a US mailbox that's you know, cemented into the
uh to the street, something that you can use for
cover which protects you from the attack. Is there an alcove,
you know, do you have just a blank wall behind
you or is there an alcove where you can get
in a little bit and off the sidewalk if they
come racing down the sidewalk, if you're going to a venue,
why not be the first one there, get through security fastest,
you know, Yeah, don't wait in the crowd. Schedule yourself accordingly.
You and I have been to lunch several times right right,
over the years.
Speaker 1: We're always earlier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but who always gets there first?
Speaker 1: Well, actually me, huh, it's usually me.
Speaker 3: The one time I was offset.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's right right, right right right, you were watching,
But like I got here, I got here before you
this morning, but only five minutes. But there's that also
that you know on time is late, et cetera. But no,
that's great advice. Get there early, get in because at
least there's some security screening. I mean, it might not
be perfect security screening, but there's some perfect there's some
good security screening. Jason vander Kouri. This is from the
live stream. Jason is a it's a lot of things.
He's a farmer, he's a first responder, paramedic. It does
a lot of things. Probably doesn't just in this cop
duty as well as first responders were trained to always
have our head on a swivel. You never know what
is coming in any direction, especially accident scenes on high
speed roadways, but even on AID calls, so you guys
are trained for that. There's this I want to talk
about individuals and then wind back up into the individuals
that apparently did these things. And the greater picture of
what isis is looking for and personalities, because what I'm
really bothered by are two military personnel on the same day,
because to me, that sends a really disconcerting message. I
shared with you the story of my wife and I
dancing in this roadhouse and some guys sort of coming
in and I realized they're wrong, and then there were
bandidos and I talked to my wife and they're leaving.
This is another circumstance. We lived in an area of
town that bordered a not great area of town and
my wife was pregnant, and believe or not, she was
jones for ice cream. That never happens, but she was.
And I weighed for hunerd pounds at the time, so
what's another ten pounds? So I drove up to get
myself some ice cream, and I walked into seven to
eleven that have been there one hundred times. I'm back
at the ice cream thing and I turn around and
it's a summer night. It's like eighty eight degrees high humidity,
and here come three guys with great, big jackets and
hats on their heads. And that was my first attention grabber, Huh,
that's not right. And then one guy started trailing two
of them around the store, looking over the shelves at them,
hands in his pockets. I'm out, I'm done, and I
leave the store. I drive out. I'm thinking I got
to call the cops. But what am I going to say?
Guys is hand in his pockets? Yeah, So I drove
up to another store and went home. Next day, in
the news there was a shooting in that store, so
it's their gang shooting. Two guys were shot. I can't
remember if anybody died, but two guys were shot, and
it was a half hour after I left that this
thing happened. Talk about individuals that situational awareness. What are
you looking for to be cautious if you're in these
crowd scenarios that we've been talking about, show me the profile.
Speaker 3: A lot of people who have been victims of violent
encounters have said that they knew something was off, something
was wrong before it happened, but they didn't want to
be accused of profiling based on race. Socioeconomic status, so
their denial went over their their judgment, their gut instinct.
Gut instincts the third part of the situation awareness triad,
So situationally where you do profile, but it's not based
on race, it's not based on perceived socioeconomic status. It's
based on demeanor and behavior. Like you saw, like what
looks out of place. If something looks out of place,
that usually is summer day, big heavy coats, Okay, Usually
someone's only going to wear that to conceal something, either
something they already have or something they're going to require.
So you're looking for a demeanor. You're looking for the
things you're trusting your gut, your gut instinct or women's intuition.
And women are really good at situational awareness once they've
learned to switch on and obey that gut instinct. Your
gut instinct is just that primitive ice age part of
your brain that's been hardwired into us for hundreds of
thousands of years to protect us from danger. And you
have to start by vanquishy denial. You free you then
free yourself to start listening to gut instinct, and then
you're going to start picking up on the clues around you.
You know, what's what looks out of place, Who's who's
paying too much attention to me, Who's who's making a
bee line towards me on an intercept course? You know,
then okay, then maybe I cross the street. You know,
so you take those avoidance behaviors, and it's just situation
awareness is the art of avoiding trouble.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would say it this way that I
you know, I think I gave us to the Holy spirits,
and the Holy Spirit consensed things can sense the presence
of evil. Evil is a thing, it's an identity, it is,
it's a spirit. And if you consense the thing is wrong,
that might be God's speaking to you. We're told not
to have a spirit of fear, but you know we're
also given the skepticism. And in those crowd centeris there's
other things that The cyber trucks circled the block countless times.
So I'm thinking through the scenario of why would a
box truck continue to circle the block? It has deliveries
to make. Those are busy people. They're usually paid by
the delivery. I mean, they don't want to be circling
a block that's wasting their time and money. If I'm
at the college football game, which I'm not going to
be that, I see a box truck go by for
the fifth time, I'm able to look at that going Okay,
that's not right. They know where they're going. They're not
going to be wasting time. Unless it's an ad on
the side, I'd be looking for things like that as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that, And if you see a vehicle, try to
pay attention to the driver, what's their dreaminer Like, how
are they behaving. Having done a lot of surveillance and
counter surveillance and then training people in both, you know,
you start seeing things in vehicles in traffic. I'm very
attuned to if I'm going through a parking lot, noticing
vehicles that are occupied but no one appears to be
getting out or getting in and like putting grocers away,
So you get attuned to that. Then what's their demeanor?
If their head down on the phone. Okay, there might
be someone who's just tuned out, but are they paying
attention to what's going on around them? And once you're
switched on, you start seeing everyone else who is You
start picking up on their behavior. You can tell when
someone even if there were you know, exercise and relaxed alertness.
You can tell when they're switched on. You can say, Okay,
you know, I'm going to keep an eye on him.
It might be someone who could be an ally if
something happens, but it could also be someone who's setting
up to do something bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. And so in terms of setting up to
do bad, I want to wind this back to my
gut feeling. Okay, this is my gut feeling different. Apparently
we have two guys who one was active military, had
a stellar career. Another guy appeared to have I mean
a career I don't want to I mean, I don't
know that it was a distinguished career, but he had one.
They come from the same military base. And you said, Todd,
there's sixty thousand people there. That's like, that's bad analysis scale.
I'm just saying, gut. They both rent electric vehicles, electric trucks.
They both have remote blow up devices, and they both
go and eventually like one guy doesn't apparently succeed in
triggering that. But they both have weapons. It appeared to
be after action weapons rifles. Now the cog in this,
of course, is the Las Vegas guy. Apparently shot himself
in the head or that was inflicted by a bullet wound,
that's what the said. The cops said had a bolt
wound inflicted maybe upon him, but we don't know. Thinking
like ISIS you have activated a cell of active duty
and former military. That would be a huge fundraiser. That
would be a huge thing to take to evil Jahadi
donors to say we told you we have these cells,
We've got access to military people. Now we're going to
start turning those on. That really worries me. I don't
see any reason to believe that about the Las Vegas
guy again, appeared to have a stellar career, But my
gut tells me, wouldn't that be the dream get for ISIS.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I want to say though that you know, it's
actually gut wrenching that a Special Forces brother, you know,
did something like this, and I don't think he was
motivated by any jihatic goals or anything like that. There's
still more, there's still a more follow on that what
ISIS has been doing and al Kaeda for years they've
been calling they used to we used to use the
term lone wolves. Now in security industry we say loan actors.
Because some people might think the term lone wolf is
kind of glorifying and might inspire them. But they've been
trying to get loan actors to do things for years
and they're succeeding, you know, not on a completely regular basis,
but often enough that it's worrying and it's that kind
of influence. And that's still the more likely scenario. The
uh you know, the more dangerous we would call the
uh MDCA most dangerous course of action will be, you know,
a cell doing a complex attack. Most likely course of
action is additional loan actors, additional vehicle ram in attacks.
Why a vehicle ram in attack.
Speaker 1: Because they work.
Speaker 3: You know, people are vulnerable out there, especially in crowds.
They're not paying attention. It's a So that's your most
likely I expect in the coming year we'll probably see
additional copycats, probably more of them in Europe than in
the United States. But there's absolutely no reason not to
expect something to happen here. I mean in the industry
and me personally and you know us us talking privately,
I've said this.
Speaker 1: Coming, yeah, And there's a lot of people who said
the big one is coming to that multi city high
casualty events are coming. I've said this countless times. You
would have to believe that you're now. I'm not saying
moral equivalents, but tactical strategic equivalents haven't looked and done
this scenario that me a goof did about a tunnel.
They've got better plans than I have, I mean, and
more catastrophic. This is from Natemo watching us live on
Rumble and he asked us, so, if we're caught in
a protest roadblock, how should we handle that situation? And
he put two question marks in that, So what do
you do? You're in that car, they've shut down the roads.
You know you can't go anywhere, and you're being blocked.
And I brought about that scenario of Okay, there's going
to be a time when they get out of their
cars and start shooting people and stuff starts blowing up.
That's a great question. What do you do in that scenario?
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're caught in that if nothing kinetic
is happening. By that means I mean shooting people, throwing
fire bombs and stuff, you're probably safer in your vehicle,
but you also need to make that assessment. You may
need to abandon the vehicle and get out there. Remember
I said, the X is the place where bad things happen.
You know, you have to get yourself off the X.
Speaker 1: Okay, So if.
Speaker 3: Something's happening, get out, abandoned the vehicle. You know, it
might get toted later, it might get burned, but at
least you're not inside it.
Speaker 1: So it's again another scenario where you're making the decision
ahead of time. So you're stopped in traffic. And here's
the way my mind would work. I would say, okay,
right now, I'm in my car. I'm going to be armed,
so I'm going to make sure I've got good access
to my weapon. Do a press check. Okay, I'm okay.
I'm going to be able to at least defend myself
and my family. But I might also be If I'm
in that tunnel, I'm going to be looking okay, exit
ahead of me, behind me, maybe t eating like an airplane.
Now for me, if I start seeing people getting out
of their cars up there, I'm out. I mean, if
I'm alone, that's one thing. But if I'm with my daughter,
yeah we're out. We're going to hit that exit door
right now. And you know what, we're just gonna stand
there and maybe we're not going to go anywhere. But
if bad things start happening, we're done, We're out. So
is that viable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the don't necessarily think in terms of, you know,
I've decided ahead of time before an event happens, exactly
what I'm gonna do. But because you have to consider
the options before an event happens. Ok So, be prepared
to do A or B or C depending on how
the situation is unfolding. Okay, So you have that by
having your situation awareness turned on, you know, you've got
that mental agility to be looking around, looking near and far,
looking depth, you know what's happening around you. And then
you've already know that you've got some decisions that you
can make, and then when you make that decision, execute it.
Speaker 1: To remember, when I was just my daughter, we were
down in De des Moines's beach and we were the
tide was way out. It was an amazing day, and
we were digging clams and we were finding crabs and
some big crabs and sea stars. And I'd set these
sticks in the sand and my point was, I'm going
to watch the sticks to see where the tide is
at because if the tide comes in real quickly, we're out.
And so I probably do border on paranoia. And my
daughter still tells that story of it was really cool though,
because the sticks started getting covered up and I got
to watch while the tide's coming in. She said, but
what were you concerned? Abut, I said, tsunami. The tide
was way out when we got there. I'd never seen
it that far out. That was weird. So if it
started coming back in quick, we're gone. We're out of there.
So you're saying, don't make the course of action. But
you're in that time. You're on that freeway, you're up high,
you're in a third level freeway. You're going to be thinking, Okay,
there's two or three exits behind me. Are there ladders? Hey?
Is there a truck I could get into? Like, is
there a security other cops around?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: How can I get out of this? So that you've
now stockpiled a B and C scenario, but you're looking
for you are going to be aware of a trigger moment.
Four different people just got out of a car at
the same time and they're walking this way. I'm out. Yeah, okay,
all right, Well We appreciate you having all this expertise,
and I want to tell you, I I hope I
didn't cause you pain by talking about your Special Forces
brother in that way and that and that he might
have been radicalized. Yeah, I mean, I see a sign
of that.
Speaker 3: Pepe. People are asking questions, and you know it's you're
right to ask questions. You know, questions need to be asked,
Everything needs to be looked at. I said, it's just
personally gut wrenching that it happened to someone you know
from you know, I wasn't an intense Special Forces group,
but from my regiment, someone who's probably obviously in a
lot of pain or for whatever happened. And we've lost
far too many of our number to suicide after they've
survived combat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, far too man. I appreciate you coming on, Mike,
and hey, listen, Gods, we'll be with these families. We
need to pray into that and make sure that we
remember that we've talked about this like it's a news event,
and I will just continue and press upon people this
isn't a news event. To the people who lost loved
ones and to the people who now have loved ones,
are responsible for deaths. So Lord, thank you for the
opportunity to show, thank you for the week of programming.
Thank you for everybody joined us live, everybody watching it
or listening. Letter. This is the Todd Hermer Show. Please go,
be well, be strong, be kind, and please make every
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