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Everything's there. I want to welcome everyone back to the

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don't Claude. Good Pete, how are you?

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Speaker 2: Longtime listener, first time.

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Speaker 1: Color Tell everybody, Tell everybody a little bit about yourself,

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you know, so we can get going on the topic today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm in my late twenties. I lived all

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over the Western United States. When COVID hit, I was

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living in a metropolitan area. I've sold my apartment and

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moved back out to my hometown. It's a town of

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about two thousand in the western United States. Great culture,

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great sports programs, great academics. Honestly great people too. And

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you know, after being back for about a year, I

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was just like, you know, it's it's just awesome being

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around people that I know and trust and yeah, and

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it's been great. And basically I just kind of used

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things that I've learned in this space. For example, I

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burden will like this one. I sell propaine and propane accessories.

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There was an old guy in town who owned a

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propane business, and I've walked in the door one day

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and said, hey, I'm looking for a job, and he

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was wanting to get out. So now I run the place.

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And then after oh, after doing that for a couple

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of years, the fire chief approached me and asked if

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I wanted to be a board member for the fire department,

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and I graciously accepted. And you know, from there I

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just use like, for example, like Schmitz for an enemy.

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I first thing I did when I was on there,

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I managed the pension account. I gave every pensioneer a

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seventy percent raise. And yeah, anytime I see those guys

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around town, they you know, not at me. We talk.

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It's it's awesome. And yeah, so that's went really well.

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And then so that position, it covers the county I'm

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in and two surrounding counties. And yeah, here recently the

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town manager approached me and asked if i'd run for

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a position as town trustee. And in my little municipality,

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there are eight town trustees and they oversee the town government.

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a it's a great honor. And honestly, I really didn't

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do much other than volunteer my time, and you know,

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not be a Spurg.

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Speaker 1: That's truly a remarkable story. And you know, I know

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that there still are Spurgs. We're going to be like

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well the Chinese, Well the Chines. You're not gonna be

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able to fight off the Chinese when they come. So

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you know, I mean, good luck to you, buddy.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I feel.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, no, that's that's really impressive. So I mean

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the town you this is a town you grew up in, right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean that is a caveat. I mean that's

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not an option for everyone. I would, you know, young

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some great advantages going back, mainly that I know almost

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everyone in town on a first name basis. You're not

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Speaker 1: What originally made you leave and go to the big city.

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Speaker 2: I was a smart kid, you know, straight a's in

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high school, athlete, had an athletic scholarship and an academic scholarship.

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about every libertarian book you can possibly imagine, and then

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to every single show he ever did and read every

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Speaker 1: I'd say, Yeah, he's greatly missed. He I mean, and

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it's it's good that his stuff is still out there

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because it really is a gateway. It was one of

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the way I was thinking about things the way I was,

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you know, self government kind of stuff, which which is important.

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are there really is only there really are when it

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group of people that can self govern. And you know,

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people like z Man were able to definitely flesh it out,

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especially when it comes to the United States.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I would read his article that morning, and

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then when the group, like the drivers and whatever, we'd

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sit down to go over the routes and stuff. I

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day and they would think it was fascinating. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: When you got back, I mean you went back during COVID.

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Speaker 2: Right? When COVID started school got canceled. I did not.

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I was I was living like downtown downtown, and I

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was like, I want no part of this, and so

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I just moved back in with my parents and it

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would have great relationships, so that wasn't wasn't an issue.

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You know, I'm I'm smart, I'm you know, a couple

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of semesters away from getting my degree. You know, I

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always thought I was going to be like an academic

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or you know, something like that history teacher, this that

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the other. Well, I don't know it given climate at

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the time. For one, it wasn't gonna happen. And two,

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I just kind of woke up to the real world

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and I work a job that I like and as well,

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and it gives me influence within the community. And uh yeah,

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that's h basically, how I got into that position at

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the propane place.

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Speaker 1: What was the thinking about trying to do anything political

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in the town. I mean, you know, I live in

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a town where it's so everybody's been here so long.

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so long. It doesn't even really like the only people

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that are going to like it are people who have

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been here. Outsiders wouldn't even It's really hard to infiltrate.

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Speaker 2: For one, I knew that that was not gonna be

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an issue for me. I mean, yeah, I have dudes

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over at my house all the time to watch football.

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at the local water hole at launch and stuff. I

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just knew I was already in the club. And that's

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a big step. And that's you know, for people who

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are living in places that aren't you're not part of

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the club. It's not that hard to be become a

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part of the club. You know, I guarantee you. Every

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morning at the local diner, there are old guys, military vets,

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police officers, you know, the who's who of the town

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are having coffee or they have lunch just and ask

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if you can join them. And most of the time

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old guys love talking to young guys. And I would

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say that's that's one thing. You just have to have

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the balls to actually inject yourself into it. And then

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it's they have certain beliefs on certain things and they're

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never gonna drop those beliefs. Just have the discipline not

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to talk about those things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's one of the big one of

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the big problems is it once you you know, start

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seeing things a different way, especially a way that runs

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counter to you know, the way the kind of political

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thinking you were you were raised to have, you think

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that you can convince everybody. A lot of people think

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that they can convince anybody of what they believe, you know,

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and you may even convince somebody for about an hour

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and they'll be like, oh yeah, definitely, definitely, and then

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you can come back the next day and they've forgotten

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what They've forgotten the conversation that you had. So yeah,

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to convince everybody state bad you know this that and

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the other. And I you know, I'm pretty sure people

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looked at me like I was weird, and I don't

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really blame them now, But now the way I look

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at things, what is best for my town and what

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sort of power do I have to implement those things

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some all this theory stuff. I love it, I eat

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it up. I have my earbuds in all the time,

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but it's kind of pointless unless you put attaction. And

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that's what I've tried to do, is take the things

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Speaker 1: Yeah. That's the thing is is that anyone, anyone who's

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any level, but I did make them have the misfortunate

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of dealing with the Libertarian Party. Is Yeah, you know

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that you're all the theory in the world means nothing

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once you start talking about like politics. And even though

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the Libertarian Party is not real politics, they certainly act

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like they are. And you just see that ideology goes

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what's good for our people. And if you if you

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and go Now. The reason I'm doing this is because

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Carl Schmidt said, no, you just do it. You just yeah,

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Speaker 2: And you know, the account was overfunded, and yeah, I

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saw no reason why not to give those guys a

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monthly race. And it actually was awesome because lo and

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and what needs to be done, and you know, getting

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yourself just slows you down. You know.

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Speaker 1: A friend of mine said once that if everything collapsed,

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a pensioners income by seventy percent is not only is

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it rewarding your friends and you know, trying to make

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sure your enemies don't get any of that, but it's

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income they're already getting. I mean, these people are how

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are they going to turn on you?

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Speaker 2: I don't. I think at least now they'll definitely hear

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your elder men in your community that you're capable and

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you are looking out for them, just like you hope

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they look out for you.

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Speaker 1: So you said that basically as trustee you're over like

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you you're basically the mayor's boss. For lack of a

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better term. What's a mayor like in a small town

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like that? Really? What?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 1: What's their job? What are they doing?

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Speaker 2: Basically it's a in our and again it's different everywhere,

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but in our in our specific, the mayor is more

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of a I think, I mean, it's more or less

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a popularity contest. They do have the tie breaking vote,

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so that's why there's eight trustees, and they do run

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the meeting. But other than that, they don't have any

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real power over other That's about all the actual power

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they have that and that their mayor. So when they

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say something, people listen.

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Speaker 1: In your opinion, how hard would it be to get

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one of our guys elected mayor in a town like that?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think, if you know, after I serve my

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eight eight years as trustee, I could get it fairly easily.

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And that's mainly because I'm going to focus on practical

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things that people have been telling me for years that

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need to be done in town, and I'm going to

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focus on that stuff instead of like the friendly stuff

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that often comes with local politics. Like so, I think

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you have you have to put your time in I

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would say, first and again, I've climbed the ladder a

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lot faster than most would. But I don't think it'd

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be that hard. You just have to show up, uh,

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you know, and I like I reat high school football games.

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I volunteer, like when they're you know, when there's events

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in town and stuff, like people see my face and

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that's a big thing. Like you gotta you gotta hang

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up the phone every once in a while and like

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just be in the meat space. And I think I

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don't think it'd be the hard I really don't. I mean,

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and and that's coming from someone that has kind of

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had it easy in this whole thing. But it wasn't though.

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I mean, I I you know something, and I'm not

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getting paid for it.

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Speaker 1: So I guess the question would be, you know, getting

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elected mayor and everything, But what what would be the

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most powerful position? I mean, that's the one you want,

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you know, you know, the we know the president of

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the United States is he can't do anything that he wants.

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What would be the most powerful position? I mean, it

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almost sounds like you at this time can probably influence

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more than even the mayor can. Would that be true.

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Speaker 2: To a certain degree just because I'm dealing with seven

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other people. But like I said, like they just love

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that I'm going to be the youngest person on the

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board by at least ten years. They everyone I've talked to,

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oh my gosh, it's so great a young person actually

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cares about alcohola, you know, all that jazz. So I

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think I'm they'll they'll they'll listen to me because I

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think that they're Again people always say, oh, the boomers

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don't want to give a power that blah blah blah.

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You know, they kind of do. They're getting tired, they're

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kind of fading out, and if you're enthusiastic and more

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or less know what you're talking about, they will gladly

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hand you the rings.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember Stormy telling the story about how, you know,

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there's a lot of boomers whose kids have basically abandoned

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them or you know, it could have been vice versa,

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or it could I think it's on both sides. With

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a dirascinator, you know, the way everything's deascinated now and

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the way we've been socially engineered out of you know,

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even caring about any kind of legacy. But you know,

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Stormy tells a story about how you have these boomers

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that own these businesses. They're very wealthy, and if you

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just go down and talk to them and show interest

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in what they're doing, you know, you can get a

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job and one you know you can depending that you know,

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and considering a lot of them don't even have good

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relationships with their kids. I mean you can take over

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take over their business. You know, they may sell you

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their business or even give you their business. But you know,

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it's not something if you're doing it like you know

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in a if you're doing it maliciously. I mean, it's it's.

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Speaker 2: You peopleman, tell if you have good intentions and a

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good heart. And Stormy must must have been who I

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who I heard that from? Because I literally did that.

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This guy his kids went off to school, they live

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all over the country, and he's stuck there running the

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family business. It's been opened since the early fifties by himself.

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And I just walked in the door one day and said, hey,

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uh And this guy used to be my neighbor when

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my parents still lived in town. And I was just like, hey, Dave,

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how's going do you want to you want to talk about? Right? No,

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I invited him to lunch yeah. So we went to

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lunch and I was like, well, hey, I just moved

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back to town. I'm looking for a job that kind

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of suits my skill set. I was wondering if you're hiring,

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and he within five seconds said yes, and I didn't

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even have to interview, and I got the job and

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now I'm running things and this time of you're the

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propate guy is the guy like so it? Yeah, I

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would say that's the main thing is you have to

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establish yourself in the community, and once you do that,

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people start coming to you because like, no one wants

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to be in these positions. I won't even I'm yeah,

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I didn't even have to run. Like I was more

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or less appointed because then they came to me and

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they didn't have enough people that applied to vote or

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to run. Excuse me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the prudentialist says all the time, he's like, the

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easiest way to get involved in your local area is

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to go to like the historical society, and especially if

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you're a young guy and young when it comes to

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historical society, young could be like forty five, yeah, yeah,

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and they're just happy to see somebody there, and you know,

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it's it's just a great way in to getting to

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know people, and people who usually run the historical society

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usually know everyone.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, and so like our historical society, they

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do a they do a banquet every year and they

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have like a silent auction. And anyways, I went to

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that if I've been in town and not living somewhere else.

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I've been to that every year since I was like

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a sophomore in high school. And not just because I'm

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a history buff, but yeah, no, it's like stuff like

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that's awesome and the people there are awesome, and they

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and they're interested in historical timelines and they understand that

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history affects the president whoever you know. They they're yeah,

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great people to have his advisors. And even yeah, just

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on your side.

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Speaker 1: Have you noticed or what's the situation where you are

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with illegals and migrants?

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Speaker 2: So it's not not terrible. I do notice just random,

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lack of better words, brown people walking around town. But

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I would say it's below twenty and I've you know,

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trying to keep my ear to the ground and figure

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out what, you know, where, what are these people doing?

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Why are they here? Why am I like sitting behind

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a desk working away and I see them walk by

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twice to day stuff like that. It's really not bad

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though I would say, I mean, the town's got to

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be ninety nine plus white. But I and that's one

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thing I'm very diligent about, is that all it takes

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is one someone who owns some real estate, someone that

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and then all of a sudden you have a boatloaded.

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But as of now, not a huge issue.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the one thing that I think that you know,

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I'm talking with some some friends of mine in another state,

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and immigration is absolutely and their most important issue. And

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you know, I'm just wondering when it comes to when

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it can, if it can't, Like you know, if a

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if a bus load, if you know, regime regime NGO types,

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send a bus load to your to your to your town,

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exactly what could you do about it? You know, that's

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always that's always a.

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Speaker 2: Question something something I should you know, definitely put some

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more thought into. I don't really see that happening. We

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don't have a ton of like well, yeah, there's there's

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like quite a bit of like labor stuff.

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Speaker 1: Labor, labor doesn't matter, it's to destroy the culture of

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the town. Yeah, they just want to they want to

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punish you.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not like an post of a blue state.

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For years, the city has been sending people out to

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my community to get gibbs because they go further and

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they are local. Oh whatever department disperses the gibbs, they

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they caught onto it. And yeah, they are a lot

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more strict now about proving residency. For I think it's

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like more than a year before you're allowed to get

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any benefits. So, I mean, there are people that in

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the community have kind of caught onto these little tricks,

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but I just I don't think it would work here,

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which is nice. But I'm sure a lot of a

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lot of communities have said that though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't think Springfield, Ohio ever

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thought that they were going to be overrun by ass

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but you know, and I mean, I don't think that's

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going to happen now. But you know, the unfortunate thing

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is is that we have a you know, there are

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elections every year, and there are big elections and national

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elections where people, you know, get get into power, and

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you know, people will say, well, you just got to

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make sure they don't even they don't get they don't

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ever get into power again. Well, that's not really up

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to us voting voting voting machines or you know. I

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talk to my wife about this all the time. It's

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like everybody's talking about oh, and I'm like and she's like,

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you know, they can just turn the voting machines back on,

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and it's like, yeah, man, it's really really difficult.

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Speaker 2: Well, and I mean, that's I guess why I spent

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I'm not really on social media. It's not never, not

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my thing, but yeah, that's that's why I shift my

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focus to my town, because they're on the state level.

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Other than like writing a letter to my congressman, there's

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not much I can do national level, there's certainly nothing

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I can do. But in my little town, in my

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little county, I do have influence and people do listen

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to what I have to say. And that's real politics.

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Getting online and complaining about you know, Trump this or

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Epstein that or whatever, it doesn't really affect what's happening

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in the here and now for me. And that was

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the biggest mindset change I had, was that all the

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time I spent I was a research town, spent hours

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on social media, this on X whatever, and I just

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quit doing that. And started focus focusing on like what

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was in front of me, and that just like totally

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changed how I thought about things and like the actions

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I took.

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Speaker 1: Even a lot of our guys, you know, because when

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you talk about local politics, people just think, well most

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of the things that have been done to us have

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been done from you know, from national Say it's been

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done from d C.

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Speaker 2: I'd say, yeah, traders from within are a lot more dangerous,

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and there are certainly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I mean I'm in Alabama and you know

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there's there's a town about an hour from me, and

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the mayor of the town, black guy, is like, well,

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you know, we're going to be a sanctuary city. And

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you know our eighteen nineteen news, which is Alabama's best

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news source, because you know there are guys they they

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reported on that, and it was like and I mean,

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I just immediately started get in touch with people that

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I know here because thankfully I've gotten to know some

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people here, and like, you have to shut this shit

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down immediately. You have to shut this down. You got

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to let that person know, you know, you're a you're

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in a small little city, motherfucker, and we can you know,

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we can break you. I mean there's nothing else you

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can There's there's no other way you can deal with

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somebody like that than to say, you know, the state

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is the state will break you, and.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, And I think that's the other thing is

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like you have to talk with your chest out and

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like look people and like and actually have like force

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with what you do, otherwise you will get walked over.

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And it certainly happened to me. You know, right when

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I started on the fire department board, had no idea

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what I was doing. I the only thing I could

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think was this ship is lame. I could you know,

476
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:34,079
it was so boring and well I got coaxed in't

477
00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:37,240
to be in the pension rep which is basically a

478
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:42,000
bureaucrap position. And again I'm glad that I at the

479
00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:46,319
time cowered away from that from you know, saying, hey, no,

480
00:28:46,359 --> 00:28:48,119
I'm a I'm a board member. I don't need to

481
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:50,759
be doing paperwork or you know. But it ended up

482
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:54,960
working out. But as long as you don't let yourself

483
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,960
get walked over, people respect you. Like if if someone

484
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,680
knows that they can just push your around, they will.

485
00:29:02,319 --> 00:29:05,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's important. You know, people talk about,

486
00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:07,559
you know, we need to do this, and we need

487
00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:09,079
to do that. We need to do this, we need

488
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,720
to do that. And it takes power. Most of the

489
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,480
things that people want to see done, it takes power,

490
00:29:16,599 --> 00:29:20,960
and it takes legitimate power. And even if you're the

491
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,720
trustee in your small little town, or you're the mayor,

492
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,359
or you're even on the school you're even on the

493
00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:31,160
school board, that is seen as legitimate power. And really,

494
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,400
when it comes down to it, people like you and

495
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:39,079
I the only the only power we really have is

496
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,200
the power that we can wield locally. I mean we

497
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,240
not you know, I don't know about you, but I'm

498
00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:48,119
not I'm not sitting on you know, on eight nine

499
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,279
figures so that I can buy politicians by by the

500
00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:55,599
national politicians. So you know, all you can do is

501
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,359
in your it is work in your local area. And

502
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,960
you know, I I you know, I get accused of

503
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:07,680
being quote unquote black pilled, but but what what really

504
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:15,000
comes down to is I understand exactly that there are

505
00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:19,400
things that I can do with people I know and

506
00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:26,319
influence in my area. And really that's the that's the

507
00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:28,839
best most people are ever going to be able to

508
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:29,359
do well.

509
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:30,559
Speaker 2: And if anyone tells you.

510
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:33,519
Speaker 1: Good, no, no, please.

511
00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: And if someone's telling you that taking interest in local affairs,

512
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,880
even county affairs, I'd say, actually probably the county offices

513
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:48,079
have a little more power. But I'll get there. Like

514
00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:50,440
they're just someone who's not willing to go out and

515
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,920
do it themselves, like they would rather sit on their

516
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,920
laptop or and again I'm not trying. I was this

517
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,640
guy for a long time, and I still am to

518
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,519
a certain degree. Like I just I you know, I'm

519
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:07,480
always taking an information. Yeah it don't let anyone tell

520
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:12,759
you that taking taking control of your own personal life

521
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,039
is less important than what's going on in the cesspool

522
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:20,400
that we call d C or your state capital or whatever. Like,

523
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:22,799
you'll be a lot happier if you just focus on

524
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:23,880
yourself and those around you.

525
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: While acknowledging that if the if d C is run

526
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,079
by our enemy, which I mean it's like it's been

527
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,839
for a very very long time, they can they can

528
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,200
hurt you. They can hurt you. On the local level.

529
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:48,559
There are a lot, you know, bus loads of Haitians

530
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:51,680
and Somali's starts showing up. And you know, if you're

531
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,599
not ready for that, if you haven't, if you don't

532
00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:57,720
have a contingency plan. You know, it's like we It's

533
00:31:57,759 --> 00:32:00,000
like I used to say when when COVID was happening,

534
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:03,039
I'm like, look, man, if your sheriff is on your side,

535
00:32:03,799 --> 00:32:07,200
you can deputize the whole town, armed the whole town.

536
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,920
And if they came and they're like, Okay, everybody in

537
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,480
this town needs to get needs to take the jab,

538
00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:15,839
you can just meet them at the meet them at

539
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:19,880
the county line and be like, Okay, let's go over

540
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:25,240
our dead bodies and yep. I mean. And also, you know,

541
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,640
people who need to understand is that in those kinds

542
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:33,160
of situations, the the FEDS only have so much of

543
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,200
a budget that they can't do these things like you know,

544
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:42,960
wake when Waco happened, you know, and Rubby Ridge happened,

545
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,039
and a bunch of other things happened, a bunch of

546
00:32:46,079 --> 00:32:48,359
other things happened, you know, the whole pat con thing

547
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:51,039
in the nineties. But for the most part, the like

548
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:54,720
ninety nine percent of the groups out there who were

549
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,079
you know, talking about patriots stuff at that time never

550
00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:01,359
got touched because they don't have the money to do

551
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,200
it well.

552
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: And that's again, that's why I'm attracted to the political

553
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,319
space I found myself in. Those are important things. And

554
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,480
within the eight years that I'm going to be a

555
00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:17,960
town trustee, the police chief will retire. And he's a

556
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,960
great dude, but he's a boomer. I mean, he's there

557
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,279
are certain things that he's just not going to be

558
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:27,759
willing to do. But that is certainly something I have circled,

559
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,200
is making sure that for one, it's someone that's not

560
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,200
an outsider gets that position. And two it's got to

561
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:41,279
be someone that's willing to hear some outside the box ideas,

562
00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:46,359
especially along the lines of things that you just discussed.

563
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,359
So I mean, that's what I'm timing. I would have

564
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,839
never even thought of these things without like these communities,

565
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,920
and I just think it's, yeah, it's important if you

566
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,200
are listening to this stuff. It's very practical advice. It

567
00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:03,720
worked like it worked perfectly for me. Yeah, it's it's

568
00:34:03,759 --> 00:34:11,400
just yeah, it's just a well of great knowledge and yeah, anyways.

569
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and when you do, when you're take

570
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,800
into consideration that the you know, the chances of your

571
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,400
town being targeted, are you know, on the on the

572
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:28,159
slim side being our guys, people who know what we know,

573
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,239
having control over that and being able to you know,

574
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:39,079
sort of build a bulwark against you know, immigration or

575
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,480
you know pass I mean, you could pass laws in

576
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,440
the town that you know, like businesses are not allowed

577
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:50,800
to you know, do you I don't know about this.

578
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:52,840
I don't know if you can pass your own labor

579
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:58,000
laws where a lot of businesses you're can't hire illegals

580
00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:04,039
or or landlords can't house illegals. But it would definitely

581
00:35:04,039 --> 00:35:09,199
be something to an experiment to push because you know,

582
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,000
somebody is going to have to start pushing. The states

583
00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:20,639
do have nullification nullification rights, but unless it's written into

584
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:26,360
the state state constitution, cities aren't going to have nullification rights.

585
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:32,079
So you know, I mean, while things are sane, it

586
00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:35,400
would be interesting to see, you know, the kind of experiment,

587
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,559
little experiments that you could do locally.

588
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:42,519
Speaker 2: Well. And yeah, I think the one, the one bugaboo

589
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:45,360
in town would be the school. And that's because a

590
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,480
lot of their yes, they do get mills, like they

591
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,800
are partly funded by taxpayers, but a lot of their

592
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,519
money comes from grants from the state and the federal government.

593
00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:57,400
They have they back down on quite a few things,

594
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:02,159
and so that would be and again it's I and

595
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,760
I don't know. It is tough because I know some

596
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,119
of the dudes on there and they more or less

597
00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:10,079
the state told them you will do this or we

598
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:18,480
will shut you down. Uh, And so yeah, there's uh yeah,

599
00:36:18,519 --> 00:36:22,079
it's it's tough. And that's I guess For me, I

600
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:27,280
just want to be there, be a part of the

601
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,880
conversation and and at the same time build up a

602
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,239
bullward to you know, push things like the young guys

603
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,599
I talk to, like it would blow your mind, like

604
00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:40,400
what these guys are talking about. I can't believe it.

605
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,159
When we're sitting there watching a you know, we're watching

606
00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:45,800
the football game and you know every commercial has the

607
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,679
black dude in the white chick, and one of the

608
00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:50,119
guys just goes, this, ship's disgusting. Why do they do this?

609
00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:54,480
And I like look over like excuse me, you know,

610
00:36:54,519 --> 00:36:56,000
stuff like that, and then you get to talking to

611
00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:58,039
them and it's like, oh yeah, these these dudes, know,

612
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,880
especially the young guys of old guys too like it.

613
00:37:02,519 --> 00:37:04,880
If you just like I would say, let him come

614
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,119
to you. And then that's that's the best way to

615
00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:13,320
find allies because you can blow your reputation, all your plans,

616
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:17,480
everything you're doing up quick if you say one wrong

617
00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:21,039
thing to one person. So that's kind of been my thing,

618
00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:22,840
is like I just let people talk to me, and

619
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,800
eventually they let me. I they tell me whether they

620
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,079
know what's going on or they don't.

621
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:33,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, anecdotally, like I've heard stories about the like the

622
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:40,920
young Republicans in a certain extremely blue state and they're there, yeah,

623
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:46,719
oh yeah, the level the level of radicalization that they're at.

624
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,440
And you know, I just saw a video of James Fishback,

625
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,079
who's running for governor in Florida, probably probably has no

626
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,559
chance of winning, but he was at uc at University

627
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:00,239
of Central Florida u c F, and he was just

628
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,719
talking to a bunch of students and they were talking

629
00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:06,920
talking about like food, talking about the food that served

630
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,119
and you know, he's saying, we don't want, you know,

631
00:38:09,159 --> 00:38:11,800
the children in our school to eat boy slop. Oh

632
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:17,679
that's and like yeah, and to me, him saying that

633
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,960
is enough. But the reaction of the students to that

634
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:26,760
was what tells me that you know, there's, yeah, there

635
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,199
might be a little more radicalization going on amongst young

636
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,760
people than even my friend who was on on the

637
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,719
last episode, Keith Preston, might be might be aware of.

638
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,039
Speaker 2: Well, that's another thing, is like you got to show,

639
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,840
like the other young guys in town, that you can

640
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,239
make a difference and that yeah, like you do, you

641
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,559
can take control of your own future. And I might

642
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:56,280
be taking a bullet being the first one through the door,

643
00:38:57,079 --> 00:39:00,559
but that's my main thing. Is I need get there

644
00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:03,920
so that I can talk to my friends about that

645
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,920
stuff and maybe inspire them to run later, so that

646
00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:10,800
instead of just myself and some are less like minded people,

647
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,880
there's two or three or four of us on there

648
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,559
that have a specific goal and we can work to

649
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:20,719
obtain that goal. But that's that's the main thing with

650
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,880
young guys right now, is that you got to get

651
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,400
off your butt and they just need to be shown

652
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,159
that like you can take power, you can just do things.

653
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,800
And that's more or less what I did, And that

654
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,960
would be my main goal is that by the next term,

655
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,199
I want at least two of my buddies to run too.

656
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,199
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's important. The whole you get, the

657
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:45,039
whole meme of you can just do things means a

658
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:47,519
whole lot more when you're at when you're the ones

659
00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:48,440
actually do it.

660
00:39:48,519 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again I and you know, brain rains a

661
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,360
real thing in small communities like mine. I mean, I again,

662
00:39:56,679 --> 00:40:00,280
circumstances were different, I probably wouldn't have came back. But

663
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,679
I mean there are dudes in town that they're engineers.

664
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:08,079
They run these giant construction companies. Smart dudes, what knows

665
00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:10,800
what's going on, and they actually have something to lose

666
00:40:11,039 --> 00:40:14,280
if shit hits the fan, and you just got to

667
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,519
like these Yeah, we just got to get these types

668
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:26,639
of guys directed towards, you know, preserving our local cultures

669
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,360
and communities. That would be my main thing is just

670
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,199
you know, my buddy that owns a construction company, like,

671
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,320
dude it one night a month, like, let's make sure

672
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,679
that we can keep living the lives we like to live.

673
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:41,239
Stuff like that.

674
00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you know, and it's like I said before,

675
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:53,159
really taking care. Yeah, people feel when people look at

676
00:40:53,280 --> 00:41:01,239
national politics, they feel helpless. Yeah, and being able to say, look,

677
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,559
this is what we're doing here. You know that that's important.

678
00:41:05,639 --> 00:41:07,519
But I wanted to I wanted you to talk a

679
00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:09,679
little bit about the fact that you said that the

680
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:13,960
you know, you think the reason why that you are

681
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,679
able to do the things that you've done and the

682
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:21,360
things that you've achieved is because I think you just

683
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,800
said you're just like a friendly, pleasant guy who you know,

684
00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:26,400
doesn't doesn't spurg out.

685
00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so basically there again, we're kind of a transit

686
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,119
town there. There's a little bit of trash in town,

687
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,039
mostly nice people. They're just you know, either not all

688
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:40,039
there have a drug problem. And actually I care about

689
00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:42,599
these people, like I want these people in my community

690
00:41:42,679 --> 00:41:45,880
not to be tresh. I want them to actually have purpose.

691
00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:48,639
And do you think every person I come across in town,

692
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:53,039
please thank you, yes, sir, yes, ma'am. I tip well.

693
00:41:53,519 --> 00:41:57,760
I clean up after myself at restaurants. You know, I

694
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,880
see someone I know in town, I wave or say

695
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:06,039
I you know, And like when someone someone brings up

696
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:10,000
something I don't know, I'm I've just made myself a

697
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:12,920
guy that people like talking to because I listened, and

698
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,400
I listened intently and I don't try to make everything

699
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:21,559
about me, and it goes a long ways like I

700
00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:24,639
I had no I've spent no money to get to

701
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:27,559
where I'm at now. And even if I ran a campaign,

702
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,719
I wasn't going to spend a dollar and I probably

703
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,639
would have got the most votes. And that's like you said,

704
00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:36,599
It's just I don't Yeah, it's just I'm polite. I'm

705
00:42:36,599 --> 00:42:40,480
pleasant everyone in town. I don't have beef with anybody

706
00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:43,480
other than a couple of people. But that comes with politics.

707
00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:45,800
I mean, that's gonna be that's going to be part

708
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,840
of it. Just don't you know, hopefully don't piss off

709
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,159
the wrong people in the in the process, and if

710
00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:51,719
you do, well, if you better have a plan to

711
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:55,400
combat that. But that's the main thing. I'm just a

712
00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:00,880
normal dude. I like obscure books and weird political stuff.

713
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,760
But I love football, you know, I love good food.

714
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,480
I love getting together with the bros and playing cards

715
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:12,360
and drinking beer. Yeah, just I don't know. Again, normal

716
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,480
is different for everybody but yourself, and people will see

717
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:17,639
the authenticity.

718
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's another thing that's that's really important.

719
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:26,800
I think that. Yeah, it's I think it's super hard

720
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,199
for a lot of people, and especially a lot of

721
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,440
young men, because you know, they're rightfully angry about the

722
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,159
situation that the world is in the world that they're inheriting.

723
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,360
But I think that one of the reasons why that

724
00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:44,719
is is because they see the world as a lot

725
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,400
bigger place than where they live now. If you live

726
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,559
in a big city or something like that. I mean

727
00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:56,360
you're talking about it's totally different. Yeah, a totally different

728
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,320
framework that you're working in, you know, But in a

729
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,639
town of twenty five hundred something like that, even up

730
00:44:03,679 --> 00:44:07,519
to twenty thousand, it I mean, I have people contact

731
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:10,000
me all the time and tell me this is what

732
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,199
we've accomplished, this is how we're this is how we're

733
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,800
beating back the hoards and everything, and this is the way.

734
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,000
I mean, there's a guy in my town who has

735
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:26,079
run out, like like two woke people showed up almost

736
00:44:26,119 --> 00:44:29,239
like they were sent here to try and infiltrate the

737
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,679
library and try and infiltrate city hall, and one guy,

738
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:36,920
one guy making phone calls, got both of them to leave.

739
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember. This was like a

740
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,400
year or so ago when they were oh, someone was

741
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,000
wanting to put a vote to the community to shut

742
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:48,199
down the fire department and then it would have went

743
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,719
under the counties control. How all I did to beat

744
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:57,559
that was I knocked doors for like a weekend and

745
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:00,119
just explain like, hey, it's actually really good that you

746
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:02,800
have a separate fire department because we get fro on

747
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,559
tax funding. We were under our own umbrella. We're able,

748
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,840
you know, it gets you better insurance, trades, this and

749
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:13,920
that and whatever. One weekend and that that vote lost.

750
00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:14,559
Speaker 1: It was like.

751
00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 2: Seventy five to twenty five something like that. And that's

752
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,000
never going to be brought up again because of that.

753
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,119
Speaker 1: That's amazing, that's amazing power. And you know, it's just yeah,

754
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,000
it's like I'm going to keep saying over and over again,

755
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:35,880
you know while we're talking, but the it's just the

756
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,679
idea that something has to be done nationally in order

757
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,199
for it to change your life. And it's just not

758
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,920
so you know, I mean just moving moving to a

759
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:52,199
town in a you know, in an area that is

760
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,320
it has a lot of people that have lived there

761
00:45:55,559 --> 00:45:59,679
for you know, the majority, not the majority, but the

762
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,199
most influential people have lived there for one hundred and

763
00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:06,519
fifty two hundred years, and they're not going anywhere, and

764
00:46:06,519 --> 00:46:11,400
they're not going anywhere some opportunities.

765
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 2: I'm just I just want to get out.

766
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,199
Speaker 1: Their kids are leaving, which yeah, which opened up opportunities

767
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,840
for you. This is things that we have to be

768
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,679
able to we have to be able to recognize. But

769
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,679
the point is is if they're staying there and they're influential,

770
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,639
and when they get a little bit of money, they

771
00:46:29,679 --> 00:46:32,599
buy it, maybe a little more land in town. Now

772
00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:35,960
they're invested in the community. And these are people, if

773
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,880
they're large landowners, if they're business owners, they're going to

774
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,320
do everything they can to make sure that the town

775
00:46:42,679 --> 00:46:47,199
is not you know, it is not destroyed. And can

776
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,760
it be destroyed, can it be overrun? Sure? The odds

777
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,920
of that happening, Well, I mean depending where you are,

778
00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:57,800
if you're you know, if you're around the big city,

779
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,280
I think that you know, the I'm not telling people

780
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,800
to leave cities. That's not true the suburb and I'm

781
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:07,400
telling people leave the excerbs. But the the idea that

782
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:13,960
you can't have local power and control over its mechanisms

783
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:19,400
is just basically because you're you're not remembering that all

784
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,199
politics is in fact local.

785
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 2: You'll you'll like this story. So when I was I

786
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,360
was in Phoenix going to school. That was like right

787
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,800
when tp USA was kicking off, and I was a

788
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,559
member of that and the Young Americans for Liberty No no, no,

789
00:47:36,639 --> 00:47:41,960
Young Americans for Freedom. Well yeah, even in that little thing,

790
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,960
I just started showing up to the meetings and after

791
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,360
the first semester I was voted in as treasure of

792
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,719
the Young Americans for Freedom chapter there and again different time.

793
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:54,360
You know, we got Ben Shapiro to come to campus.

794
00:47:55,199 --> 00:47:59,119
We got or what's her name, lab Stucky, Like we've

795
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:02,519
got some big names to come to campus. And yeah,

796
00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:04,119
and I got to sit there on the stage with

797
00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:06,039
them as they did stuff. And people see that. And

798
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,480
so even like if you're in a big city on

799
00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:13,599
a college campus, the same rules apply, like you just yeah,

800
00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:17,119
show up and if you're not, you know, a loser

801
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:19,840
and unpleasant, you will rise up your organization.

802
00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:25,519
Speaker 1: No, I mean, you know the reason why I wanted

803
00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:28,880
to have you on is because it's this is the

804
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,039
kind of thing people need to hear, you know, when

805
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:35,800
they're not getting you know, the amount of deportations they want,

806
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,840
or you know, the prices of things are still going up.

807
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,119
You know you're going to be you know, the price

808
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:47,119
thing is obviously going to affect us all. It's kind

809
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:50,719
of hard we have a national economy. But still the

810
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:56,079
idea that you can control you have you have some

811
00:48:56,199 --> 00:49:00,760
control over and some say over what what is being

812
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,679
done politically in your area. I mean that should be

813
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,440
that should be enough for most people. You know you can,

814
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,280
and then you can just you know, if someone like

815
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,880
you gets into power, gets some kind of someone's to

816
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,760
power locally, and you get a couple of your buddies elected,

817
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,840
and you can sit there, you know, a couple of

818
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,079
nights a week and talk about, Okay, what's the best

819
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:30,960
way to insulate ourselves from you know, the yeah, in

820
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,400
the inevitable, inevitable event when one of our enemies gets

821
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,000
back into national office or it's I mean, I mean,

822
00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:40,159
and this is me saying, you know, this is me

823
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,960
assuming I'm just taking the assumption that that the administration

824
00:49:44,119 --> 00:49:48,360
isn't our enemy. But like, you know, but you know,

825
00:49:48,639 --> 00:49:52,639
if like a real you know, somebody who is just

826
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:58,559
like fire breathing to destroy everything, you know, every small

827
00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:02,760
town everything out they you know, is sending sending buses

828
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,320
bus loads to small towns and things like that.

829
00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 2: So you know, it's just yeah, yeah, I just like

830
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,480
like this with the stuff in Minneapolis. You know, there's

831
00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:14,960
a dude that he'll he comes over and he'll hang

832
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,840
out and you can tell he's a little more lived

833
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,519
than the rest of us. Even that dude was like

834
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,199
that dumb motherfucker deserved it. And I was like Okay,

835
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,400
So I mean, I I just think that there's just

836
00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:30,920
a and I'm not trying to do this silent majority thing.

837
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,400
It's but they're, like most people are just getting sick

838
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,599
of it. And if you can provide some answers and

839
00:50:38,679 --> 00:50:44,159
maybe a path towards, you know, control over their own lives,

840
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:45,519
I think I think people eat it.

841
00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:50,679
Speaker 1: Done, especially if they think you care. And the best

842
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,039
way for them to think you care is for you

843
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:53,480
to care.

844
00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:54,599
Speaker 2: And that's it.

845
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: I think that's what's most that's most important.

846
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 2: And that's I mean, it's easy for me because I'm

847
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:05,400
third generation in this town and you know, we were

848
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,480
and this town has done did a lot for me,

849
00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:09,760
and I plan to do a lot for it. But

850
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:14,519
even even not like just every town is cool, has

851
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:19,280
its quirks, has something that makes it it and I

852
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,079
don't know, just fall in love with where you're at.

853
00:51:21,639 --> 00:51:25,920
And I think that's a big first step. Yet you

854
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,800
have to love where you are in order to be

855
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:29,679
willing to protect it.

856
00:51:31,679 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you don't love where you are, unfortunately,

857
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:39,079
you know, I used to tell people, you know, try

858
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:42,039
to get his way from cities as much as you can.

859
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:46,400
And yeah, the argument that people come, oh, that's where

860
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,360
all the power is. And I'm like, all right, well

861
00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:53,360
that's really not I don't say that anymore, mostly because

862
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,760
there's a lot of people who've been in cities for five, six, seven,

863
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,679
eight generations, and I don't want people to feel like

864
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:04,079
they're you know, they're abandoning, abandoning their heritage, you know.

865
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:07,079
But it gets to a point where, you know, if

866
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:10,800
you're I think I said this recently, if you're somebody

867
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:16,280
who is like you know, you're you've already moved around

868
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,440
a bunch and everything like that, and you've ended up someplace,

869
00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:24,119
it's just terrible. Go find someplace is nice. I mean,

870
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,880
you know, if you or or if where you're from

871
00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:32,719
originally is nice, go back, go home. Be that be

872
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:33,639
the prodigal son.

873
00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 3: And also like everyone's like, well, I don't want people

874
00:52:38,519 --> 00:52:42,239
knowing my business, like oh people go sup. In small towns, yeah,

875
00:52:42,599 --> 00:52:46,960
that's a defense mechanism, Like you don't want some you know,

876
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:51,800
freak or some bad actor being able to operate without consequence.

877
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,840
So it's actually a great buffer that people talk in

878
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,800
small towns. And you know, and again back from my

879
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,800
libertarian days, I do have a criminal record.

880
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:06,559
Speaker 2: No one gives a crowd. They don't. It's not been

881
00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:09,719
brought up once every most people know that I had

882
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:15,000
something going and yeah, I don't know where I was

883
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:20,440
going with that, but you yeah, it's not she lost

884
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,239
my training. Sorry Pete, but.

885
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 1: You're not in the scene. You're not in thee No,

886
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:26,199
I'm not.

887
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, not that I know, well, not this release. Maybe

888
00:53:30,039 --> 00:53:32,320
maybe maybe later on. I kind of caught him at

889
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,320
the end of his reign. But no, like, even if

890
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,880
you have something in your past, because that was that's

891
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,280
what held me back for a long time.

892
00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:47,559
Speaker 4: Oh well, and you know, just just just so people know,

893
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,320
Like I got a Dowey when I was in college

894
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,119
and I thought, oh, I'll never be able to do

895
00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:54,079
anything I have.

896
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 2: I have a misdemeanor conviction. Well it happened in this town.

897
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,320
It was in the paper, and no one remembers it,

898
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,559
and if they do, they don't care. So like, don't

899
00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:09,840
let something trivial hold you back either, because everyone has

900
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,800
their dark little secret. And then small towns, as long

901
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:18,039
as you're you show that you're willing to move past it,

902
00:54:18,159 --> 00:54:21,239
the gossip doesn't matter. The gossip matters when you are

903
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:26,159
a continual bad actor and it's just obvious to everyone.

904
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,119
So I guess that's where I was going with that,

905
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,360
is like, it's not it's a Yeah, gossip in small

906
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,760
towns is natural and a good thing.

907
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: Everybody knowing everyone else. People think that that's a you know, oh,

908
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,920
there's no privacy there. That's just a history of It's

909
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,679
a history of man before we before the Industrial Revolution,

910
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,599
basically before people started going to cities and you know,

911
00:54:54,199 --> 00:54:56,360
I guess that would be the Second Industrial Revolution, but

912
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,039
you know, before people started going to cities and becoming

913
00:54:59,079 --> 00:55:04,480
derascinated then you know, yeah, it's it's it's believe me,

914
00:55:04,519 --> 00:55:07,519
it's not a bad thing. I am being able to

915
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,119
get someone on the phone immediately or just you know,

916
00:55:11,199 --> 00:55:13,239
hop in the car and drive a half mile to

917
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,840
you know, to a friend, a friend who has some

918
00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:21,840
has something I need to borrow, or hey, I bought this,

919
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,679
can you come over and help me move it really quick?

920
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:25,760
And everything like that.

921
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,119
Speaker 2: And don't keep teching.

922
00:55:27,159 --> 00:55:29,559
Speaker 1: I've never I'm sorry.

923
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I'll let you finish. I just had

924
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:31,920
a point off of that.

925
00:55:33,559 --> 00:55:37,559
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and you know, and people hopping to to

926
00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:39,360
do it be like hey, I'll be right there. You know,

927
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,960
it's like, I mean, I've never really lived any place

928
00:55:42,039 --> 00:55:46,039
like that before, where you know, as gracious as the

929
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:47,760
people that I live around are right now.

930
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and it's awesome. And don't keep score if

931
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,960
someone asks you for help, help them. If you ask

932
00:55:55,039 --> 00:55:58,880
someone for help and they can't, don't like take it

933
00:55:59,159 --> 00:56:03,079
too hard. That's where it gets dangerous is when you

934
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:05,719
start like trying to like, oh, you owe me, you

935
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,119
owe me, owe me. Just yeah, just don't keep score.

936
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,880
And that's how it kind of works is I don't

937
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,559
think anyone around here does that. And the ones that do,

938
00:56:14,679 --> 00:56:17,880
people know, oh that's a shyster, you know, watch out

939
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,840
for that guy. But yeah, that's I mean, that's the

940
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,039
other thing. Like I get asked to volunteer at the

941
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:25,880
wrestling tournament, I say yes. I get volunteered to help

942
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,519
with the help make dinner for the history band quip,

943
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:34,119
I say yes. And it's and you can lead by example,

944
00:56:34,519 --> 00:56:37,400
like people see you volunteering, all of a sudden, volunteering

945
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,360
becomes cool and then before you know it, you have

946
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a well oiled community that looks out for each other.

947
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And at that point you don't need you know, the

948
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federal government, the state government to step in. You can

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control and support your community from within.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad we did this. Thank you of course, thank

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you for the conversation. I think some some info to

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get out there, even for a lot of the guys,

953
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you know, a lot of the guys I hang out with.

954
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I hope they'll listen to this and they get some uh,

955
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really good ideas because these are the these are the

956
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things that go that bring us into the future. And

957
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uh as as I you know, honestly think that we're

958
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watching the regime crumble building what next? That you know,

959
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people say, build what comes next? Really the only place

960
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to do that is locally. So I appreciate what you.

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Speaker 2: All starts with the foundation and this. You know, this

962
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country used to be awesome because communities were safe, people

963
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did stuff together, They went to church, they you know,

964
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hung out at the local watering hole instead of watching Netflix.

965
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And once we get that back, maybe then we can

966
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think about affecting things on a larger scale in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: Awesome man, Thank you Claude. I appreciate the talk and

968
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yeah staying.

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Speaker 2: We'll do thank you. I have a great heights