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don't Claude. Good Pete, how are you?
Speaker 2: Longtime listener, first time.
Speaker 1: Color Tell everybody, Tell everybody a little bit about yourself,
you know, so we can get going on the topic today.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm in my late twenties. I lived all
over the Western United States. When COVID hit, I was
living in a metropolitan area. I've sold my apartment and
moved back out to my hometown. It's a town of
about two thousand in the western United States. Great culture,
great sports programs, great academics. Honestly great people too. And
you know, after being back for about a year, I
was just like, you know, it's it's just awesome being
around people that I know and trust and yeah, and
it's been great. And basically I just kind of used
things that I've learned in this space. For example, I
burden will like this one. I sell propaine and propane accessories.
There was an old guy in town who owned a
propane business, and I've walked in the door one day
and said, hey, I'm looking for a job, and he
was wanting to get out. So now I run the place.
And then after oh, after doing that for a couple
of years, the fire chief approached me and asked if
I wanted to be a board member for the fire department,
and I graciously accepted. And you know, from there I
just use like, for example, like Schmitz for an enemy.
I first thing I did when I was on there,
I managed the pension account. I gave every pensioneer a
seventy percent raise. And yeah, anytime I see those guys
around town, they you know, not at me. We talk.
It's it's awesome. And yeah, so that's went really well.
And then so that position, it covers the county I'm
in and two surrounding counties. And yeah, here recently the
town manager approached me and asked if i'd run for
a position as town trustee. And in my little municipality,
there are eight town trustees and they oversee the town government.
And you know, for being a guy under thirty, it's
a it's a great honor. And honestly, I really didn't
do much other than volunteer my time, and you know,
not be a Spurg.
Speaker 1: That's truly a remarkable story. And you know, I know
that there still are Spurgs. We're going to be like
well the Chinese, Well the Chines. You're not gonna be
able to fight off the Chinese when they come. So
you know, I mean, good luck to you, buddy.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I feel.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, that's that's really impressive. So I mean
the town you this is a town you grew up in, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean that is a caveat. I mean that's
not an option for everyone. I would, you know, young
and on out there, if you have more or less
like the place you live growing up, there can be
some great advantages going back, mainly that I know almost
everyone in town on a first name basis. You're not
going to get that almost anywhere else.
Speaker 1: What originally made you leave and go to the big city.
Speaker 2: I was a smart kid, you know, straight a's in
high school, athlete, had an athletic scholarship and an academic scholarship.
So I went off to school. You know, at that point,
I was like your typical small town Norman Khan and
you know, similar to a lot of you know people
guys my age. I got into libertarianism and I read
about every libertarian book you can possibly imagine, and then
from there and CAP and then you know, after COVID,
I just started reading some different stuff. And when you
had Zman on your show, I went back and listened
to every single show he ever did and read every
single article he ever did, and from there, my my worldviews,
it's just completely different, and for the better.
Speaker 1: I'd say, Yeah, he's greatly missed. He I mean, and
it's it's good that his stuff is still out there
because it really is a gateway. It was one of
my gateways. It was him and Charles A. Wood were
you know, really brought me and brought me out of
the way I was thinking about things the way I was,
you know, self government kind of stuff, which which is important.
I mean, you can't have a society without people who
can self govern, but not every The problem is is
not everybody can self govern. And you know, there really
are there really is only there really are when it
comes to the West, there really is only a certain
group of people that can self govern. And you know,
people like z Man were able to definitely flesh it out,
especially when it comes to the United States.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I would read his article that morning, and
then when the group, like the drivers and whatever, we'd
sit down to go over the routes and stuff. I
would just like bring up what he wrote about that
day and they would think it was fascinating. And yeah,
now I can talk about all sorts of stuff with
those guys.
Speaker 1: When you got back, I mean you went back during COVID.
Was it twenty twenty or twenty twenty one, is sure?
Speaker 2: Right? When COVID started school got canceled. I did not.
I was I was living like downtown downtown, and I
was like, I want no part of this, and so
I just moved back in with my parents and it
would have great relationships, so that wasn't wasn't an issue.
And I always had one foot out the door, like
I was like, oh, this sound's too small for me.
You know, I'm I'm smart, I'm you know, a couple
of semesters away from getting my degree. You know, I
always thought I was going to be like an academic
or you know, something like that history teacher, this that
the other. Well, I don't know it given climate at
the time. For one, it wasn't gonna happen. And two,
I just kind of woke up to the real world
and I work a job that I like and as well,
and it gives me influence within the community. And uh yeah,
that's h basically, how I got into that position at
the propane place.
Speaker 1: What was the thinking about trying to do anything political
in the town. I mean, you know, I live in
a town where it's so everybody's been here so long.
Most of the people who live here have been here
so long. It doesn't even really like the only people
that are going to like it are people who have
been here. Outsiders wouldn't even It's really hard to infiltrate.
What was your what was your motivation for getting involved?
Speaker 2: For one, I knew that that was not gonna be
an issue for me. I mean, yeah, I have dudes
over at my house all the time to watch football.
I you know, everyone kind of sits with each other
at the local water hole at launch and stuff. I
just knew I was already in the club. And that's
a big step. And that's you know, for people who
are living in places that aren't you're not part of
the club. It's not that hard to be become a
part of the club. You know, I guarantee you. Every
morning at the local diner, there are old guys, military vets,
police officers, you know, the who's who of the town
are having coffee or they have lunch just and ask
if you can join them. And most of the time
old guys love talking to young guys. And I would
say that's that's one thing. You just have to have
the balls to actually inject yourself into it. And then
you know, other thing is don't scare them off like
it's they have certain beliefs on certain things and they're
never gonna drop those beliefs. Just have the discipline not
to talk about those things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's one of the big one of
the big problems is it once you you know, start
seeing things a different way, especially a way that runs
counter to you know, the way the kind of political
thinking you were you were raised to have, you think
that you can convince everybody. A lot of people think
that they can convince anybody of what they believe, you know,
and you may even convince somebody for about an hour
and they'll be like, oh yeah, definitely, definitely, and then
you can come back the next day and they've forgotten
what They've forgotten the conversation that you had. So yeah,
that's yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: When I like when I was a libertarian, I tried
to convince everybody state bad you know this that and
the other. And I you know, I'm pretty sure people
looked at me like I was weird, and I don't
really blame them now, But now the way I look
at things, what is best for my town and what
sort of power do I have to implement those things
in my position? And that's just real politique. It's not
some all this theory stuff. I love it, I eat
it up. I have my earbuds in all the time,
but it's kind of pointless unless you put attaction. And
that's what I've tried to do, is take the things
I've learned from you and others and implement them in
the real world.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's the thing is is that anyone, anyone who's
dealt with any political party or anything like that. And
I mean, I've never really dealt with the GOP on
any level, but I did make them have the misfortunate
of dealing with the Libertarian Party. Is Yeah, you know
that you're all the theory in the world means nothing
once you start talking about like politics. And even though
the Libertarian Party is not real politics, they certainly act
like they are. And you just see that ideology goes
out the wind, ideology goes out the window, and basically
it turned what it needs to turn in into properly.
And I'm not saying the libertarian said this, but is
what's good for our people. And if you if you
can think about political theory and see the way people
have implemented things or acted in the past and use it,
it's not something like you have to be out there
and go Now. The reason I'm doing this is because
Carl Schmidt said, no, you just do it. You just yeah,
you just go ahead and do it.
Speaker 2: And you know, the account was overfunded, and yeah, I
saw no reason why not to give those guys a
monthly race. And it actually was awesome because lo and
behold the town manager's dad is a picture which I
knew that. I mean, of course that all those things
played into it, but yeah, it's just and you don't
even have to explain it to yourself. Deep down, we
all know, especially in this fear, what's right, what's wrong,
and what needs to be done, and you know, getting
yourself tied up in knots, you know, trying to justify
yourself just slows you down. You know.
Speaker 1: A friend of mine said once that if everything collapsed,
the people who are going to be in charge with
the people who were going to be able to feed people.
And you know what you what you do by increasing
a pensioners income by seventy percent is not only is
it rewarding your friends and you know, trying to make
sure your enemies don't get any of that, but it's
a way of doing that. It's a way of patronage.
And people don't understand exactly how important patronage is. If
you want people to be on your side, it's you
may just have to pay them sometimes. And it doesn't
have to be that outright, you know, like increasing it
is like if you just started cutting checks. That's a
different story. I mean that's obvious and everything. But if
you increase their you know, their income legally, and it's
income they're already getting. I mean, these people are how
are they going to turn on you?
Speaker 2: I don't. I think at least now they'll definitely hear
what I have to say. And I think that's a
big first step is as a young man, proving to
your elder men in your community that you're capable and
you are looking out for them, just like you hope
they look out for you.
Speaker 1: So you said that basically as trustee you're over like
you you're basically the mayor's boss. For lack of a
better term. What's a mayor like in a small town
like that? Really? What?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What's their job? What are they doing?
Speaker 2: Basically it's a in our and again it's different everywhere,
but in our in our specific, the mayor is more
of a I think, I mean, it's more or less
a popularity contest. They do have the tie breaking vote,
so that's why there's eight trustees, and they do run
the meeting. But other than that, they don't have any
real power over other That's about all the actual power
they have that and that their mayor. So when they
say something, people listen.
Speaker 1: In your opinion, how hard would it be to get
one of our guys elected mayor in a town like that?
Speaker 2: Oh, I think, if you know, after I serve my
eight eight years as trustee, I could get it fairly easily.
And that's mainly because I'm going to focus on practical
things that people have been telling me for years that
need to be done in town, and I'm going to
focus on that stuff instead of like the friendly stuff
that often comes with local politics. Like so, I think
you have you have to put your time in I
would say, first and again, I've climbed the ladder a
lot faster than most would. But I don't think it'd
be that hard. You just have to show up, uh,
you know, and I like I reat high school football games.
I volunteer, like when they're you know, when there's events
in town and stuff, like people see my face and
that's a big thing. Like you gotta you gotta hang
up the phone every once in a while and like
just be in the meat space. And I think I
don't think it'd be the hard I really don't. I mean,
and and that's coming from someone that has kind of
had it easy in this whole thing. But it wasn't though.
I mean, I I you know something, and I'm not
getting paid for it.
Speaker 1: So I guess the question would be, you know, getting
elected mayor and everything, But what what would be the
most powerful position? I mean, that's the one you want,
you know, you know, the we know the president of
the United States is he can't do anything that he wants.
What would be the most powerful position? I mean, it
almost sounds like you at this time can probably influence
more than even the mayor can. Would that be true.
Speaker 2: To a certain degree just because I'm dealing with seven
other people. But like I said, like they just love
that I'm going to be the youngest person on the
board by at least ten years. They everyone I've talked to,
oh my gosh, it's so great a young person actually
cares about alcohola, you know, all that jazz. So I
think I'm they'll they'll they'll listen to me because I
think that they're Again people always say, oh, the boomers
don't want to give a power that blah blah blah.
You know, they kind of do. They're getting tired, they're
kind of fading out, and if you're enthusiastic and more
or less know what you're talking about, they will gladly
hand you the rings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember Stormy telling the story about how, you know,
there's a lot of boomers whose kids have basically abandoned
them or you know, it could have been vice versa,
or it could I think it's on both sides. With
a dirascinator, you know, the way everything's deascinated now and
the way we've been socially engineered out of you know,
even caring about any kind of legacy. But you know,
Stormy tells a story about how you have these boomers
that own these businesses. They're very wealthy, and if you
just go down and talk to them and show interest
in what they're doing, you know, you can get a
job and one you know you can depending that you know,
and considering a lot of them don't even have good
relationships with their kids. I mean you can take over
take over their business. You know, they may sell you
their business or even give you their business. But you know,
it's not something if you're doing it like you know
in a if you're doing it maliciously. I mean, it's it's.
Speaker 2: You peopleman, tell if you have good intentions and a
good heart. And Stormy must must have been who I
who I heard that from? Because I literally did that.
This guy his kids went off to school, they live
all over the country, and he's stuck there running the
family business. It's been opened since the early fifties by himself.
And I just walked in the door one day and said, hey,
uh And this guy used to be my neighbor when
my parents still lived in town. And I was just like, hey, Dave,
how's going do you want to you want to talk about? Right? No,
I invited him to lunch yeah. So we went to
lunch and I was like, well, hey, I just moved
back to town. I'm looking for a job that kind
of suits my skill set. I was wondering if you're hiring,
and he within five seconds said yes, and I didn't
even have to interview, and I got the job and
now I'm running things and this time of you're the
propate guy is the guy like so it? Yeah, I
would say that's the main thing is you have to
establish yourself in the community, and once you do that,
people start coming to you because like, no one wants
to be in these positions. I won't even I'm yeah,
I didn't even have to run. Like I was more
or less appointed because then they came to me and
they didn't have enough people that applied to vote or
to run. Excuse me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the prudentialist says all the time, he's like, the
easiest way to get involved in your local area is
to go to like the historical society, and especially if
you're a young guy and young when it comes to
historical society, young could be like forty five, yeah, yeah,
and they're just happy to see somebody there, and you know,
it's it's just a great way in to getting to
know people, and people who usually run the historical society
usually know everyone.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, and so like our historical society, they
do a they do a banquet every year and they
have like a silent auction. And anyways, I went to
that if I've been in town and not living somewhere else.
I've been to that every year since I was like
a sophomore in high school. And not just because I'm
a history buff, but yeah, no, it's like stuff like
that's awesome and the people there are awesome, and they
and they're interested in historical timelines and they understand that
history affects the president whoever you know. They they're yeah,
great people to have his advisors. And even yeah, just
on your side.
Speaker 1: Have you noticed or what's the situation where you are
with illegals and migrants?
Speaker 2: So it's not not terrible. I do notice just random,
lack of better words, brown people walking around town. But
I would say it's below twenty and I've you know,
trying to keep my ear to the ground and figure
out what, you know, where, what are these people doing?
Why are they here? Why am I like sitting behind
a desk working away and I see them walk by
twice to day stuff like that. It's really not bad
though I would say, I mean, the town's got to
be ninety nine plus white. But I and that's one
thing I'm very diligent about, is that all it takes
is one someone who owns some real estate, someone that
and then all of a sudden you have a boatloaded.
But as of now, not a huge issue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the one thing that I think that you know,
I'm talking with some some friends of mine in another state,
and immigration is absolutely and their most important issue. And
you know, I'm just wondering when it comes to when
it can, if it can't, Like you know, if a
if a bus load, if you know, regime regime NGO types,
send a bus load to your to your to your town,
exactly what could you do about it? You know, that's
always that's always a.
Speaker 2: Question something something I should you know, definitely put some
more thought into. I don't really see that happening. We
don't have a ton of like well, yeah, there's there's
like quite a bit of like labor stuff.
Speaker 1: Labor, labor doesn't matter, it's to destroy the culture of
the town. Yeah, they just want to they want to
punish you.
Speaker 2: So I'm not like an post of a blue state.
For years, the city has been sending people out to
my community to get gibbs because they go further and
they are local. Oh whatever department disperses the gibbs, they
they caught onto it. And yeah, they are a lot
more strict now about proving residency. For I think it's
like more than a year before you're allowed to get
any benefits. So, I mean, there are people that in
the community have kind of caught onto these little tricks,
but I just I don't think it would work here,
which is nice. But I'm sure a lot of a
lot of communities have said that though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't think Springfield, Ohio ever
thought that they were going to be overrun by ass
but you know, and I mean, I don't think that's
going to happen now. But you know, the unfortunate thing
is is that we have a you know, there are
elections every year, and there are big elections and national
elections where people, you know, get get into power, and
you know, people will say, well, you just got to
make sure they don't even they don't get they don't
ever get into power again. Well, that's not really up
to us voting voting voting machines or you know. I
talk to my wife about this all the time. It's
like everybody's talking about oh, and I'm like and she's like,
you know, they can just turn the voting machines back on,
and it's like, yeah, man, it's really really difficult.
Speaker 2: Well, and I mean, that's I guess why I spent
I'm not really on social media. It's not never, not
my thing, but yeah, that's that's why I shift my
focus to my town, because they're on the state level.
Other than like writing a letter to my congressman, there's
not much I can do national level, there's certainly nothing
I can do. But in my little town, in my
little county, I do have influence and people do listen
to what I have to say. And that's real politics.
Getting online and complaining about you know, Trump this or
Epstein that or whatever, it doesn't really affect what's happening
in the here and now for me. And that was
the biggest mindset change I had, was that all the
time I spent I was a research town, spent hours
on social media, this on X whatever, and I just
quit doing that. And started focus focusing on like what
was in front of me, and that just like totally
changed how I thought about things and like the actions
I took.
Speaker 1: Even a lot of our guys, you know, because when
you talk about local politics, people just think, well most
of the things that have been done to us have
been done from you know, from national Say it's been
done from d C.
Speaker 2: I'd say, yeah, traders from within are a lot more dangerous,
and there are certainly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I mean I'm in Alabama and you know
there's there's a town about an hour from me, and
the mayor of the town, black guy, is like, well,
you know, we're going to be a sanctuary city. And
you know our eighteen nineteen news, which is Alabama's best
news source, because you know there are guys they they
reported on that, and it was like and I mean,
I just immediately started get in touch with people that
I know here because thankfully I've gotten to know some
people here, and like, you have to shut this shit
down immediately. You have to shut this down. You got
to let that person know, you know, you're a you're
in a small little city, motherfucker, and we can you know,
we can break you. I mean there's nothing else you
can There's there's no other way you can deal with
somebody like that than to say, you know, the state
is the state will break you, and.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, And I think that's the other thing is
like you have to talk with your chest out and
like look people and like and actually have like force
with what you do, otherwise you will get walked over.
And it certainly happened to me. You know, right when
I started on the fire department board, had no idea
what I was doing. I the only thing I could
think was this ship is lame. I could you know,
it was so boring and well I got coaxed in't
to be in the pension rep which is basically a
bureaucrap position. And again I'm glad that I at the
time cowered away from that from you know, saying, hey, no,
I'm a I'm a board member. I don't need to
be doing paperwork or you know. But it ended up
working out. But as long as you don't let yourself
get walked over, people respect you. Like if if someone
knows that they can just push your around, they will.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's important. You know, people talk about,
you know, we need to do this, and we need
to do that. We need to do this, we need
to do that. And it takes power. Most of the
things that people want to see done, it takes power,
and it takes legitimate power. And even if you're the
trustee in your small little town, or you're the mayor,
or you're even on the school you're even on the
school board, that is seen as legitimate power. And really,
when it comes down to it, people like you and
I the only the only power we really have is
the power that we can wield locally. I mean we
not you know, I don't know about you, but I'm
not I'm not sitting on you know, on eight nine
figures so that I can buy politicians by by the
national politicians. So you know, all you can do is
in your it is work in your local area. And
you know, I I you know, I get accused of
being quote unquote black pilled, but but what what really
comes down to is I understand exactly that there are
things that I can do with people I know and
influence in my area. And really that's the that's the
best most people are ever going to be able to
do well.
Speaker 2: And if anyone tells you.
Speaker 1: Good, no, no, please.
Speaker 2: And if someone's telling you that taking interest in local affairs,
even county affairs, I'd say, actually probably the county offices
have a little more power. But I'll get there. Like
they're just someone who's not willing to go out and
do it themselves, like they would rather sit on their
laptop or and again I'm not trying. I was this
guy for a long time, and I still am to
a certain degree. Like I just I you know, I'm
always taking an information. Yeah it don't let anyone tell
you that taking taking control of your own personal life
is less important than what's going on in the cesspool
that we call d C or your state capital or whatever. Like,
you'll be a lot happier if you just focus on
yourself and those around you.
Speaker 1: While acknowledging that if the if d C is run
by our enemy, which I mean it's like it's been
for a very very long time, they can they can
hurt you. They can hurt you. On the local level.
There are a lot, you know, bus loads of Haitians
and Somali's starts showing up. And you know, if you're
not ready for that, if you haven't, if you don't
have a contingency plan. You know, it's like we It's
like I used to say when when COVID was happening,
I'm like, look, man, if your sheriff is on your side,
you can deputize the whole town, armed the whole town.
And if they came and they're like, Okay, everybody in
this town needs to get needs to take the jab,
you can just meet them at the meet them at
the county line and be like, Okay, let's go over
our dead bodies and yep. I mean. And also, you know,
people who need to understand is that in those kinds
of situations, the the FEDS only have so much of
a budget that they can't do these things like you know,
wake when Waco happened, you know, and Rubby Ridge happened,
and a bunch of other things happened, a bunch of
other things happened, you know, the whole pat con thing
in the nineties. But for the most part, the like
ninety nine percent of the groups out there who were
you know, talking about patriots stuff at that time never
got touched because they don't have the money to do
it well.
Speaker 2: And that's again, that's why I'm attracted to the political
space I found myself in. Those are important things. And
within the eight years that I'm going to be a
town trustee, the police chief will retire. And he's a
great dude, but he's a boomer. I mean, he's there
are certain things that he's just not going to be
willing to do. But that is certainly something I have circled,
is making sure that for one, it's someone that's not
an outsider gets that position. And two it's got to
be someone that's willing to hear some outside the box ideas,
especially along the lines of things that you just discussed.
So I mean, that's what I'm timing. I would have
never even thought of these things without like these communities,
and I just think it's, yeah, it's important if you
are listening to this stuff. It's very practical advice. It
worked like it worked perfectly for me. Yeah, it's it's
just yeah, it's just a well of great knowledge and yeah, anyways.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and when you do, when you're take
into consideration that the you know, the chances of your
town being targeted, are you know, on the on the
slim side being our guys, people who know what we know,
having control over that and being able to you know,
sort of build a bulwark against you know, immigration or
you know pass I mean, you could pass laws in
the town that you know, like businesses are not allowed
to you know, do you I don't know about this.
I don't know if you can pass your own labor
laws where a lot of businesses you're can't hire illegals
or or landlords can't house illegals. But it would definitely
be something to an experiment to push because you know,
somebody is going to have to start pushing. The states
do have nullification nullification rights, but unless it's written into
the state state constitution, cities aren't going to have nullification rights.
So you know, I mean, while things are sane, it
would be interesting to see, you know, the kind of experiment,
little experiments that you could do locally.
Speaker 2: Well. And yeah, I think the one, the one bugaboo
in town would be the school. And that's because a
lot of their yes, they do get mills, like they
are partly funded by taxpayers, but a lot of their
money comes from grants from the state and the federal government.
They have they back down on quite a few things,
and so that would be and again it's I and
I don't know. It is tough because I know some
of the dudes on there and they more or less
the state told them you will do this or we
will shut you down. Uh, And so yeah, there's uh yeah,
it's it's tough. And that's I guess For me, I
just want to be there, be a part of the
conversation and and at the same time build up a
bullward to you know, push things like the young guys
I talk to, like it would blow your mind, like
what these guys are talking about. I can't believe it.
When we're sitting there watching a you know, we're watching
the football game and you know every commercial has the
black dude in the white chick, and one of the
guys just goes, this, ship's disgusting. Why do they do this?
And I like look over like excuse me, you know,
stuff like that, and then you get to talking to
them and it's like, oh yeah, these these dudes, know,
especially the young guys of old guys too like it.
If you just like I would say, let him come
to you. And then that's that's the best way to
find allies because you can blow your reputation, all your plans,
everything you're doing up quick if you say one wrong
thing to one person. So that's kind of been my thing,
is like I just let people talk to me, and
eventually they let me. I they tell me whether they
know what's going on or they don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anecdotally, like I've heard stories about the like the
young Republicans in a certain extremely blue state and they're there, yeah,
oh yeah, the level the level of radicalization that they're at.
And you know, I just saw a video of James Fishback,
who's running for governor in Florida, probably probably has no
chance of winning, but he was at uc at University
of Central Florida u c F, and he was just
talking to a bunch of students and they were talking
talking about like food, talking about the food that served
and you know, he's saying, we don't want, you know,
the children in our school to eat boy slop. Oh
that's and like yeah, and to me, him saying that
is enough. But the reaction of the students to that
was what tells me that you know, there's, yeah, there
might be a little more radicalization going on amongst young
people than even my friend who was on on the
last episode, Keith Preston, might be might be aware of.
Speaker 2: Well, that's another thing, is like you got to show,
like the other young guys in town, that you can
make a difference and that yeah, like you do, you
can take control of your own future. And I might
be taking a bullet being the first one through the door,
but that's my main thing. Is I need get there
so that I can talk to my friends about that
stuff and maybe inspire them to run later, so that
instead of just myself and some are less like minded people,
there's two or three or four of us on there
that have a specific goal and we can work to
obtain that goal. But that's that's the main thing with
young guys right now, is that you got to get
off your butt and they just need to be shown
that like you can take power, you can just do things.
And that's more or less what I did, And that
would be my main goal is that by the next term,
I want at least two of my buddies to run too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's important. The whole you get, the
whole meme of you can just do things means a
whole lot more when you're at when you're the ones
actually do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again I and you know, brain rains a
real thing in small communities like mine. I mean, I again,
circumstances were different, I probably wouldn't have came back. But
I mean there are dudes in town that they're engineers.
They run these giant construction companies. Smart dudes, what knows
what's going on, and they actually have something to lose
if shit hits the fan, and you just got to
like these Yeah, we just got to get these types
of guys directed towards, you know, preserving our local cultures
and communities. That would be my main thing is just
you know, my buddy that owns a construction company, like,
dude it one night a month, like, let's make sure
that we can keep living the lives we like to live.
Stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you know, and it's like I said before,
really taking care. Yeah, people feel when people look at
national politics, they feel helpless. Yeah, and being able to say, look,
this is what we're doing here. You know that that's important.
But I wanted to I wanted you to talk a
little bit about the fact that you said that the
you know, you think the reason why that you are
able to do the things that you've done and the
things that you've achieved is because I think you just
said you're just like a friendly, pleasant guy who you know,
doesn't doesn't spurg out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so basically there again, we're kind of a transit
town there. There's a little bit of trash in town,
mostly nice people. They're just you know, either not all
there have a drug problem. And actually I care about
these people, like I want these people in my community
not to be tresh. I want them to actually have purpose.
And do you think every person I come across in town,
please thank you, yes, sir, yes, ma'am. I tip well.
I clean up after myself at restaurants. You know, I
see someone I know in town, I wave or say
I you know, And like when someone someone brings up
something I don't know, I'm I've just made myself a
guy that people like talking to because I listened, and
I listened intently and I don't try to make everything
about me, and it goes a long ways like I
I had no I've spent no money to get to
where I'm at now. And even if I ran a campaign,
I wasn't going to spend a dollar and I probably
would have got the most votes. And that's like you said,
It's just I don't Yeah, it's just I'm polite. I'm
pleasant everyone in town. I don't have beef with anybody
other than a couple of people. But that comes with politics.
I mean, that's gonna be that's going to be part
of it. Just don't you know, hopefully don't piss off
the wrong people in the in the process, and if
you do, well, if you better have a plan to
combat that. But that's the main thing. I'm just a
normal dude. I like obscure books and weird political stuff.
But I love football, you know, I love good food.
I love getting together with the bros and playing cards
and drinking beer. Yeah, just I don't know. Again, normal
is different for everybody but yourself, and people will see
the authenticity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's another thing that's that's really important.
I think that. Yeah, it's I think it's super hard
for a lot of people, and especially a lot of
young men, because you know, they're rightfully angry about the
situation that the world is in the world that they're inheriting.
But I think that one of the reasons why that
is is because they see the world as a lot
bigger place than where they live now. If you live
in a big city or something like that. I mean
you're talking about it's totally different. Yeah, a totally different
framework that you're working in, you know, But in a
town of twenty five hundred something like that, even up
to twenty thousand, it I mean, I have people contact
me all the time and tell me this is what
we've accomplished, this is how we're this is how we're
beating back the hoards and everything, and this is the way.
I mean, there's a guy in my town who has
run out, like like two woke people showed up almost
like they were sent here to try and infiltrate the
library and try and infiltrate city hall, and one guy,
one guy making phone calls, got both of them to leave.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember. This was like a
year or so ago when they were oh, someone was
wanting to put a vote to the community to shut
down the fire department and then it would have went
under the counties control. How all I did to beat
that was I knocked doors for like a weekend and
just explain like, hey, it's actually really good that you
have a separate fire department because we get fro on
tax funding. We were under our own umbrella. We're able,
you know, it gets you better insurance, trades, this and
that and whatever. One weekend and that that vote lost.
Speaker 1: It was like.
Speaker 2: Seventy five to twenty five something like that. And that's
never going to be brought up again because of that.
Speaker 1: That's amazing, that's amazing power. And you know, it's just yeah,
it's like I'm going to keep saying over and over again,
you know while we're talking, but the it's just the
idea that something has to be done nationally in order
for it to change your life. And it's just not
so you know, I mean just moving moving to a
town in a you know, in an area that is
it has a lot of people that have lived there
for you know, the majority, not the majority, but the
most influential people have lived there for one hundred and
fifty two hundred years, and they're not going anywhere, and
they're not going anywhere some opportunities.
Speaker 2: I'm just I just want to get out.
Speaker 1: Their kids are leaving, which yeah, which opened up opportunities
for you. This is things that we have to be
able to we have to be able to recognize. But
the point is is if they're staying there and they're influential,
and when they get a little bit of money, they
buy it, maybe a little more land in town. Now
they're invested in the community. And these are people, if
they're large landowners, if they're business owners, they're going to
do everything they can to make sure that the town
is not you know, it is not destroyed. And can
it be destroyed, can it be overrun? Sure? The odds
of that happening, Well, I mean depending where you are,
if you're you know, if you're around the big city,
I think that you know, the I'm not telling people
to leave cities. That's not true the suburb and I'm
telling people leave the excerbs. But the the idea that
you can't have local power and control over its mechanisms
is just basically because you're you're not remembering that all
politics is in fact local.
Speaker 2: You'll you'll like this story. So when I was I
was in Phoenix going to school. That was like right
when tp USA was kicking off, and I was a
member of that and the Young Americans for Liberty No no, no,
Young Americans for Freedom. Well yeah, even in that little thing,
I just started showing up to the meetings and after
the first semester I was voted in as treasure of
the Young Americans for Freedom chapter there and again different time.
You know, we got Ben Shapiro to come to campus.
We got or what's her name, lab Stucky, Like we've
got some big names to come to campus. And yeah,
and I got to sit there on the stage with
them as they did stuff. And people see that. And
so even like if you're in a big city on
a college campus, the same rules apply, like you just yeah,
show up and if you're not, you know, a loser
and unpleasant, you will rise up your organization.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, you know the reason why I wanted
to have you on is because it's this is the
kind of thing people need to hear, you know, when
they're not getting you know, the amount of deportations they want,
or you know, the prices of things are still going up.
You know you're going to be you know, the price
thing is obviously going to affect us all. It's kind
of hard we have a national economy. But still the
idea that you can control you have you have some
control over and some say over what what is being
done politically in your area. I mean that should be
that should be enough for most people. You know you can,
and then you can just you know, if someone like
you gets into power, gets some kind of someone's to
power locally, and you get a couple of your buddies elected,
and you can sit there, you know, a couple of
nights a week and talk about, Okay, what's the best
way to insulate ourselves from you know, the yeah, in
the inevitable, inevitable event when one of our enemies gets
back into national office or it's I mean, I mean,
and this is me saying, you know, this is me
assuming I'm just taking the assumption that that the administration
isn't our enemy. But like, you know, but you know,
if like a real you know, somebody who is just
like fire breathing to destroy everything, you know, every small
town everything out they you know, is sending sending buses
bus loads to small towns and things like that.
Speaker 2: So you know, it's just yeah, yeah, I just like
like this with the stuff in Minneapolis. You know, there's
a dude that he'll he comes over and he'll hang
out and you can tell he's a little more lived
than the rest of us. Even that dude was like
that dumb motherfucker deserved it. And I was like Okay,
So I mean, I I just think that there's just
a and I'm not trying to do this silent majority thing.
It's but they're, like most people are just getting sick
of it. And if you can provide some answers and
maybe a path towards, you know, control over their own lives,
I think I think people eat it.
Speaker 1: Done, especially if they think you care. And the best
way for them to think you care is for you
to care.
Speaker 2: And that's it.
Speaker 1: I think that's what's most that's most important.
Speaker 2: And that's I mean, it's easy for me because I'm
third generation in this town and you know, we were
and this town has done did a lot for me,
and I plan to do a lot for it. But
even even not like just every town is cool, has
its quirks, has something that makes it it and I
don't know, just fall in love with where you're at.
And I think that's a big first step. Yet you
have to love where you are in order to be
willing to protect it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you don't love where you are, unfortunately,
you know, I used to tell people, you know, try
to get his way from cities as much as you can.
And yeah, the argument that people come, oh, that's where
all the power is. And I'm like, all right, well
that's really not I don't say that anymore, mostly because
there's a lot of people who've been in cities for five, six, seven,
eight generations, and I don't want people to feel like
they're you know, they're abandoning, abandoning their heritage, you know.
But it gets to a point where, you know, if
you're I think I said this recently, if you're somebody
who is like you know, you're you've already moved around
a bunch and everything like that, and you've ended up someplace,
it's just terrible. Go find someplace is nice. I mean,
you know, if you or or if where you're from
originally is nice, go back, go home. Be that be
the prodigal son.
Speaker 3: And also like everyone's like, well, I don't want people
knowing my business, like oh people go sup. In small towns, yeah,
that's a defense mechanism, Like you don't want some you know,
freak or some bad actor being able to operate without consequence.
So it's actually a great buffer that people talk in
small towns. And you know, and again back from my
libertarian days, I do have a criminal record.
Speaker 2: No one gives a crowd. They don't. It's not been
brought up once every most people know that I had
something going and yeah, I don't know where I was
going with that, but you yeah, it's not she lost
my training. Sorry Pete, but.
Speaker 1: You're not in the scene. You're not in thee No,
I'm not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not that I know, well, not this release. Maybe
maybe maybe later on. I kind of caught him at
the end of his reign. But no, like, even if
you have something in your past, because that was that's
what held me back for a long time.
Speaker 4: Oh well, and you know, just just just so people know,
Like I got a Dowey when I was in college
and I thought, oh, I'll never be able to do
anything I have.
Speaker 2: I have a misdemeanor conviction. Well it happened in this town.
It was in the paper, and no one remembers it,
and if they do, they don't care. So like, don't
let something trivial hold you back either, because everyone has
their dark little secret. And then small towns, as long
as you're you show that you're willing to move past it,
the gossip doesn't matter. The gossip matters when you are
a continual bad actor and it's just obvious to everyone.
So I guess that's where I was going with that,
is like, it's not it's a Yeah, gossip in small
towns is natural and a good thing.
Speaker 1: Everybody knowing everyone else. People think that that's a you know, oh,
there's no privacy there. That's just a history of It's
a history of man before we before the Industrial Revolution,
basically before people started going to cities and you know,
I guess that would be the Second Industrial Revolution, but
you know, before people started going to cities and becoming
derascinated then you know, yeah, it's it's it's believe me,
it's not a bad thing. I am being able to
get someone on the phone immediately or just you know,
hop in the car and drive a half mile to
you know, to a friend, a friend who has some
has something I need to borrow, or hey, I bought this,
can you come over and help me move it really quick?
And everything like that.
Speaker 2: And don't keep teching.
Speaker 1: I've never I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I'll let you finish. I just had
a point off of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and you know, and people hopping to to
do it be like hey, I'll be right there. You know,
it's like, I mean, I've never really lived any place
like that before, where you know, as gracious as the
people that I live around are right now.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and it's awesome. And don't keep score if
someone asks you for help, help them. If you ask
someone for help and they can't, don't like take it
too hard. That's where it gets dangerous is when you
start like trying to like, oh, you owe me, you
owe me, owe me. Just yeah, just don't keep score.
And that's how it kind of works is I don't
think anyone around here does that. And the ones that do,
people know, oh that's a shyster, you know, watch out
for that guy. But yeah, that's I mean, that's the
other thing. Like I get asked to volunteer at the
wrestling tournament, I say yes. I get volunteered to help
with the help make dinner for the history band quip,
I say yes. And it's and you can lead by example,
like people see you volunteering, all of a sudden, volunteering
becomes cool and then before you know it, you have
a well oiled community that looks out for each other.
And at that point you don't need you know, the
federal government, the state government to step in. You can
control and support your community from within.
Speaker 1: I'm glad we did this. Thank you of course, thank
you for the conversation. I think some some info to
get out there, even for a lot of the guys,
you know, a lot of the guys I hang out with.
I hope they'll listen to this and they get some uh,
really good ideas because these are the these are the
things that go that bring us into the future. And
uh as as I you know, honestly think that we're
watching the regime crumble building what next? That you know,
people say, build what comes next? Really the only place
to do that is locally. So I appreciate what you.
Speaker 2: All starts with the foundation and this. You know, this
country used to be awesome because communities were safe, people
did stuff together, They went to church, they you know,
hung out at the local watering hole instead of watching Netflix.
And once we get that back, maybe then we can
think about affecting things on a larger scale in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Awesome man, Thank you Claude. I appreciate the talk and
yeah staying.
Speaker 2: We'll do thank you. I have a great heights