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Speaker 1: Hey, thirty one fifty five KRC the Talk Station, Happy Wednesday,
Speaker 1: and welcome back to the fifty five Carse Morning Show.
Speaker 1: Editor in chief of the hamp Press Network, Jack Windsor
Speaker 1: also apparently friend of my last guest, Marcel Sturbage. Jack,
Speaker 1: good to have you back on the morning show.
Speaker 3: Hey, it's great to be here, Brian, Thanks for choosing
Speaker 3: me today.
Speaker 1: I understand you have endorsed Marcel Sturbridge for Secretary of State.
Speaker 3: I have.
Speaker 4: Marcel has been a great source for many of the
Speaker 4: stories we've written on Ohio election reform, and a guest
Speaker 4: on my radio show multiple times and just quick and dirty.
Speaker 4: The reason I've done it is that I think he
Speaker 4: is the guy who actually understands what the gaps are
Speaker 4: in Ohio's election integrity and has a plan to get
Speaker 4: it done. And he's not running around Ohio going, hey,
Speaker 4: we've got the gold standard in election election law, no
Speaker 4: election outcomes.
Speaker 1: He is definitely not singing that, but he is. He's
Speaker 1: very coherent and very clear on what he wants to
Speaker 1: do to ensure the integrity of the election. He just
Speaker 1: went through it, and he was able to rattle off
Speaker 1: quite a few things, some of which you just kind
Speaker 1: of scratch your head, Jack and wonder, well, why the
Speaker 1: hell isn't that in place already? How difficult can it
Speaker 1: be to ensure that someone is actually a citizen of
Speaker 1: the United States of America before they cast a vote.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's wild, isn't it. And what he's talking about
Speaker 4: right now, he's been talking about for a while. And
Speaker 4: when President Trump obviously was inaugurated, one of the first
Speaker 4: things he talked about was making sure that we reform
Speaker 4: election laws and increase election integrity and spoke to the
Speaker 4: very thing that Marcell's talking about. We should not be
Speaker 4: putting people who are not citizens on the voting roles
Speaker 4: because it's an exacerbated risk. And of course it takes
Speaker 4: time and money to take him off the voter roles,
Speaker 4: and it seems like a no brainer.
Speaker 1: It really is. And again, I just it's one of
Speaker 1: the frustrating things that I'm sure it's equally frustrating for you, Jack,
Speaker 1: knowing how you are about politics. Why is why are politics?
Speaker 1: And how it's so frustrating Republicans run the show. They've
Speaker 1: got both houses they got the governor's office, they have
Speaker 1: Secretary of State's office, they have the auditor's office, they
Speaker 1: have everything. You think it will be this well oiled, efficient,
Speaker 1: you know, fiscal responsibility, limited government, free market kind of state.
Speaker 1: And yet it's like hurting cats up there.
Speaker 4: It really is, isn't it. I Mean, first of all,
Speaker 4: you have the I call it the rhino problem. There
Speaker 4: are Republicans in name only, and then you know the
Speaker 4: other issue. There are people who are Republicans and they're
Speaker 4: in these districts that are purple where sometimes it's hard
Speaker 4: for a Republican to pull out a victory, and so
Speaker 4: that shows up and sometimes how they vote or don't vote,
Speaker 4: or what they do while they're at the state House
Speaker 4: because they recognize that there are people who are on
Speaker 4: the left side of the aisle who might not be
Speaker 4: so happy if they go, you know, too far right.
Speaker 3: And it is it's maddening.
Speaker 4: You would think with the trifecta is what Republicans have here,
Speaker 4: that we get a heck of a lot more done.
Speaker 1: You would absolutely anyway, well, a change of governor would
Speaker 1: would be very helpful. And I'm keeping my fingers crossed
Speaker 1: for VV Ramaswami because he's got great ideas and he
Speaker 1: is as an enthused guy as you can ever find.
Speaker 4: Jack, he is super fantastic. And mid terms are always
Speaker 4: tough for the party in charge, and so in Ohio,
Speaker 4: Donald Trump is won here multiple times, obviously by wider
Speaker 4: margins each time, and without him being at the top
Speaker 4: of the ticket.
Speaker 3: You go, Okay, do you have somebody to.
Speaker 4: Put at the top of the ticket that can help
Speaker 4: Republicans down ballot? And Vik brings an energy and attention
Speaker 4: that I think is good for Republicans here in the Buck.
Speaker 3: I stay.
Speaker 1: Jack Wins are editor in chief of High Press Network.
Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll get on Focus here and
Speaker 1: we'll talk about the efforts to override Dwine's vetos, one
Speaker 1: of which was successful, but one of the other two
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Speaker 1: AY thirty seven and fifty five KRCD talk station Happy Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Swift, Jack Winsor, editor in chief of the
Speaker 1: how Press Network, pivoting over to the budget. The budget
Speaker 1: can in Ohio here contain three I call them babystep,
Speaker 1: but some efforts to help us deal with the outrageous
Speaker 1: property tax bills. We're facing three separate provisions the line
Speaker 1: I and vetoed all three for reasons that still escaped
Speaker 1: me and Jack, maybe you can explain that if you
Speaker 1: figured it out. But he said, we need to study
Speaker 1: them more. We need a working group to look into this. Well,
Speaker 1: by all accounts, they've been studying and looking at this
Speaker 1: with a different working group leading up to the budget,
Speaker 1: which incorporated three ideas from the prior working group who
Speaker 1: came up with like twenty three different suggestions on how
Speaker 1: we can deal with property tax. So there, the work
Speaker 1: has been done. There, it is in the bill, and
Speaker 1: yet Dwine chooses to veto those but not veto the
Speaker 1: six hundred million dollars going to the Cleveland Browns. So
Speaker 1: you may or may not want to address that one, Jack,
Speaker 1: But that just really frankly pisses me off. But they
Speaker 1: did successfully override one of the three vetos. So where
Speaker 1: are we on this, Jack?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So there were three or actually there were four going.
Speaker 3: Back that he that he vetoed.
Speaker 4: It was a school cash balance carryover forty percent. There
Speaker 4: was a recalculating the twenty mil floor, which gets you know,
Speaker 4: so far in the weeds my mind starts to hurt yep.
Speaker 4: And then there was empowering the county Budget commission authority,
Speaker 4: allowing them essentially, this group of commissioners to say no,
Speaker 4: now that's excessive, we can't do that, so more local control.
Speaker 4: And then the one that actually was overridden on Monday.
Speaker 4: It takes away I call them tools for schools and
Speaker 4: other taxing authorities in the form of the types of
Speaker 4: levees that they use, and one of the examples that
Speaker 4: I give is what they would call emergency levees or
Speaker 4: restricted emergency levees. Those those tools are taken away, and frankly,
Speaker 4: part of it is that those words can be misleading,
Speaker 4: They can be missnober yes and misnomers when these things
Speaker 4: are being cussed and discussed during the budget process. One
Speaker 4: school district we found was in an emergency levy situation
Speaker 4: for twenty years, and one lawmaker said, okay, now, explain
Speaker 4: to me an emergency that last twenty years. And so
Speaker 4: these are those structural changes that really give their design
Speaker 4: to give voters more transparency when they go to the
Speaker 4: ballot box.
Speaker 1: All right, but they didn't vote on a couple of
Speaker 1: the overrides. I learned this morning from Donovan and Neil
Speaker 1: from Americans for Prosperity. They were concerned about voting on
Speaker 1: those because they didn't know if they had enough votes
Speaker 1: to override. And they only get one bite at the
Speaker 1: apple in terms of voting to override the vetos, so
Speaker 1: they put it on hold. So maybe in September or
Speaker 1: whenever when they come back, they're going to vote on those.
Speaker 1: But I guess if they weren't sure they had enough
Speaker 1: votes to override the veto, there's no certainty that those
Speaker 1: are going to be overrid when the next vote.
Speaker 4: That's a great observation, and I'm with you on that.
Speaker 4: I talked to state Representative Beth Lear and I said,
Speaker 4: do you think you can take another crack at these sometime
Speaker 4: later in the fall when everyone officially returns from summer recess.
Speaker 4: And the answer was yes. But I want to go
Speaker 4: back to what you said earlier, Brian. Some of the
Speaker 4: things that have caused outrage here. Number one, it appears
Speaker 4: that the can has been kicked down the road so
Speaker 4: far that there's not going to be any immediate property relief.
Speaker 3: Now, there are some.
Speaker 4: People who would say these reforms were not going to
Speaker 4: provide immediate property relief anyway. But you said DeWine wanted
Speaker 4: to take a better look at this. Well, you also
Speaker 4: said there was a commission, bipartisan commission that created over
Speaker 4: twenty property tax reform ideas that were baked into this budget,
Speaker 4: and Diwine of course took his veto pen and cut
Speaker 4: those out. But the thing with DeWine's working group is,
Speaker 4: now we found out yesterday there's there's more reason for
Speaker 4: people to be upset. When he originally put that together.
Speaker 4: The two people he put in charge are lobbyists. One
Speaker 4: is from the Cincinnati area Bill Sites, he's a former
Speaker 4: state representative, and the other is former Congressman Pat T Berry,
Speaker 4: who's now CEO of the Ohio Business Roundtable. But Sites,
Speaker 4: for those who don't know, after leaving the state House,
Speaker 4: he's now a lobbyist. And get this, Brian, this is
Speaker 4: the part that has people really peeved. He represents clients
Speaker 4: like Cincinnati Public Schools, Sycamore Township, Cincinnati, Hamilton County Public Library.
Speaker 4: And you go, okay, well, what does that matter because
Speaker 4: those are entities that are reliant on tax Yeah.
Speaker 3: So you go, okay.
Speaker 4: The guys that he put in charge of this commission
Speaker 4: are our lobbyists that are probably going to be there
Speaker 4: pushing for the reforms that most Ohioans don't want. Right,
Speaker 4: and then we found out yesterday he released a list
Speaker 4: of nine other folks to be on that commission, And
Speaker 4: as I look at them, there's like a treasurer, auditor, auditor,
Speaker 4: superintendent of of one public school system, another superintendent, Hamilton
Speaker 4: County commissioner, Pickaway County commissioner, and then a Pike County commissioner,
Speaker 4: And you go, Okay, that's good. These local taxing authorities
Speaker 4: are represented. But I don't see any state reps. I
Speaker 4: don't see any policy experts. I don't see any property
Speaker 4: tax experts. I don't see any small business representation. I
Speaker 4: don't And so it's it's so focused on this one sector.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people are now going, all right,
Speaker 4: what's what's thewine going to try to bake up? And
Speaker 4: does you have enough control over some Republicans in the
Speaker 4: General Assembly that we're going to get more watered down
Speaker 4: property tax reforms.
Speaker 1: I think anybody's reading tea leaves will probably go in
Speaker 1: that direction. Like me, Jack, I think that's exactly what
Speaker 1: we're going to get. Knowing Dwine's record, most notably and
Speaker 1: considering who's on the hand Select committee there. But this
Speaker 1: raises sort of an interesting specter. It will kick the
Speaker 1: can down the road. Whatever the committee comes up with
Speaker 1: is going to have to be turned into some form
Speaker 1: of legislation that's going to have to go after go
Speaker 1: through the legislative process, since we're done with the budget,
Speaker 1: and if they don't override the vetos. That is to say,
Speaker 1: doesn't this make more likely or create the potential of
Speaker 1: the constitutional amendment petition that's circulating more likely to pass
Speaker 1: because they are kicking the can down the road and
Speaker 1: we are not going to be getting any immediate property
Speaker 1: tax relief that we can see. I mean even baby
Speaker 1: steps might go along the way, and you could advocate no, no,
Speaker 1: give it time to work, give it time to work.
Speaker 1: We'll get the relief. It just is going to be instantaneous, that,
Speaker 1: my friend, will be instantaneous.
Speaker 3: Yes, it will be instantaneous.
Speaker 4: And as I look at this, my visceral response, my
Speaker 4: hot take on Monday, when the General Assembly just got
Speaker 4: one of those things overridden, I said, this is actually
Speaker 4: going to be positive for the people who want to
Speaker 4: abolish property tax because people are already peeped, and I
Speaker 4: got emails yesterday from folks who said, well, isn't it
Speaker 4: interesting that the General Assembly did or the House did
Speaker 4: what they did on Monday? I no joke, got a
Speaker 4: tax bill or a notice on Tuesday this that you know,
Speaker 4: my taxes are going up X amount, which is you know, astronomical.
Speaker 4: And so you're you're going to have this really interesting situation, Brian,
Speaker 4: where people are going to be even more pissed off
Speaker 4: than they are now.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But but the lobbying, uh, I don't know power influence
Speaker 4: resources of the people opposed to massive tax reform here.
Speaker 3: I think you're seeing it, and I think the wine
Speaker 3: leads them.
Speaker 4: So it's going to be this clash of old way
Speaker 4: of doing it in politics, and probably a bunch of
Speaker 4: money behind a campaign to make sure that that thing
Speaker 4: doesn't pass, and then a bunch of grassroots people in
Speaker 4: Ohio who go, no, come hell or high water, we're
Speaker 4: putting this on the ballot and I don't want to
Speaker 4: pay property taxes.
Speaker 1: Any Yeah, and that is definitely going to be the
Speaker 1: challenge because as you poured out I think statement the
Speaker 1: obvious that is going to be a well financed opposition
Speaker 1: to that ballot initiative. And you know, just random folks
Speaker 1: like me saying it might be a good idea are
Speaker 1: not going to be backed by the money. There's just
Speaker 1: not There's not a lobbying group or some organization that's
Speaker 1: going to hurt all the individual people into one sound,
Speaker 1: solid voice.
Speaker 4: That's exactly right. And so right now they're in that
Speaker 4: signature gathering phase. In fact, I think the idea was
Speaker 4: to have those signatures gathered for later this year, and
Speaker 4: it looks like earliest would be May of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4: If they can't get them, it's then November twenty sixth,
Speaker 4: and then you're looking all the way into twenty seven, right,
Speaker 4: And so people want property tax relief.
Speaker 3: Now we'll find out.
Speaker 4: Dewayne's commission is set to meet on Thursday, so we'll
Speaker 4: see what they come up with after that first meeting.
Speaker 1: Well, I observed earlier than I had before, Jack, I
Speaker 1: just the thing that really irks me the most about
Speaker 1: property taxes. It's all predicated on some randomly chosen figure
Speaker 1: your house's worth. It's unrealized gain. I've been in my
Speaker 1: house for almost thirty years. I know what I paid
Speaker 1: when I built it. And I know what they tell
Speaker 1: me it's worth now, and it's gone up a lot
Speaker 1: in value. It's only worth whatever somebody's willing to buy it,
Speaker 1: does sell it, or to pay for it at the
Speaker 1: time of sale. That's the only time you ever know
Speaker 1: the value of your home. And yet here we are
Speaker 1: saddle with this insane recalculation because well, COVID change the
Speaker 1: landscape of real estate market in this country overnight.
Speaker 3: Yes it did.
Speaker 4: And you know, I feel for everybody who has that
Speaker 4: unrealized game, because just because your home value goes up
Speaker 4: forty thousand or fifty thousand dollars, it doesn't mean that
Speaker 4: you have some you know, corresponding I know, likewise, cash
Speaker 4: stash that you can pay your taxes with.
Speaker 3: I also feel for the older folks on fixed incomes.
Speaker 4: My dad, you know, and some of the listeners probably
Speaker 4: have dads and grandparents who are struggling. And it comes
Speaker 4: down to the age old question if I've paid my
Speaker 4: home off and now I'm on a fixed income or
Speaker 4: don't make as much as I used to and I
Speaker 4: can't afford my property bill and you can take my home,
Speaker 4: that I ever really owned my home or did the
Speaker 4: government always own my home, and I think that's what
Speaker 4: has people so peeved. That why there's so much momentum
Speaker 4: around abolishing property tax now as the GA and the
Speaker 4: governor continue to kick the can down the road.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's a course I hear from my listening audience, Jack,
Speaker 1: is that you never own your own home home as
Speaker 1: long as they can make demands and take your home
Speaker 1: from you because you can't pay property taxes, you are
Speaker 1: not a real property owner. Jack wins Our, editor in
Speaker 1: chief of the Ohio Press Network. Check out his podcast
Speaker 1: what he has to say throughout the week. I always
Speaker 1: enjoy talking with you, Jack. It's a real pleasure to
Speaker 1: have you on my program and I'll look forward to
Speaker 1: doing it again real soon.
Speaker 3: Hey, thank you to Joe. Thank you to you as well. Brian.
Speaker 3: Have a great day. You do the same.
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