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<v Speaker 2>Chuck Ingram on fifty five KRC The Talk Station.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, thirty one fifty five KRC the Talk Station, Happy Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome back to the fifty five Carse Morning Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Editor in chief of the hamp Press Network, Jack Windsor

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<v Speaker 1>also apparently friend of my last guest, Marcel Sturbage. Jack,

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<v Speaker 1>good to have you back on the morning show.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, it's great to be here, Brian, Thanks for choosing

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<v Speaker 3>me today.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand you have endorsed Marcel Sturbridge for Secretary of State.

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<v Speaker 3>I have.

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<v Speaker 4>Marcel has been a great source for many of the

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<v Speaker 4>stories we've written on Ohio election reform, and a guest

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<v Speaker 4>on my radio show multiple times and just quick and dirty.

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<v Speaker 4>The reason I've done it is that I think he

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<v Speaker 4>is the guy who actually understands what the gaps are

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<v Speaker 4>in Ohio's election integrity and has a plan to get

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<v Speaker 4>it done. And he's not running around Ohio going, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>we've got the gold standard in election election law, no

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<v Speaker 4>election outcomes.

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<v Speaker 1>He is definitely not singing that, but he is. He's

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<v Speaker 1>very coherent and very clear on what he wants to

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<v Speaker 1>do to ensure the integrity of the election. He just

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<v Speaker 1>went through it, and he was able to rattle off

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<v Speaker 1>quite a few things, some of which you just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of scratch your head, Jack and wonder, well, why the

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<v Speaker 1>hell isn't that in place already? How difficult can it

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<v Speaker 1>be to ensure that someone is actually a citizen of

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<v Speaker 1>the United States of America before they cast a vote.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's wild, isn't it. And what he's talking about

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<v Speaker 4>right now, he's been talking about for a while. And

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<v Speaker 4>when President Trump obviously was inaugurated, one of the first

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<v Speaker 4>things he talked about was making sure that we reform

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<v Speaker 4>election laws and increase election integrity and spoke to the

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<v Speaker 4>very thing that Marcell's talking about. We should not be

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<v Speaker 4>putting people who are not citizens on the voting roles

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<v Speaker 4>because it's an exacerbated risk. And of course it takes

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<v Speaker 4>time and money to take him off the voter roles,

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<v Speaker 4>and it seems like a no brainer.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is. And again, I just it's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the frustrating things that I'm sure it's equally frustrating for you, Jack,

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<v Speaker 1>knowing how you are about politics. Why is why are politics?

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<v Speaker 1>And how it's so frustrating Republicans run the show. They've

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<v Speaker 1>got both houses they got the governor's office, they have

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<v Speaker 1>Secretary of State's office, they have the auditor's office, they

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<v Speaker 1>have everything. You think it will be this well oiled, efficient,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, fiscal responsibility, limited government, free market kind of state.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet it's like hurting cats up there.

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<v Speaker 4>It really is, isn't it. I Mean, first of all,

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<v Speaker 4>you have the I call it the rhino problem. There

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<v Speaker 4>are Republicans in name only, and then you know the

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<v Speaker 4>other issue. There are people who are Republicans and they're

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<v Speaker 4>in these districts that are purple where sometimes it's hard

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<v Speaker 4>for a Republican to pull out a victory, and so

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<v Speaker 4>that shows up and sometimes how they vote or don't vote,

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<v Speaker 4>or what they do while they're at the state House

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<v Speaker 4>because they recognize that there are people who are on

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<v Speaker 4>so happy if they go, you know, too far right.

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<v Speaker 3>And it is it's maddening.

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<v Speaker 4>You would think with the trifecta is what Republicans have here,

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<v Speaker 4>that we get a heck of a lot more done.

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<v Speaker 1>You would absolutely anyway, well, a change of governor would

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<v Speaker 1>would be very helpful. And I'm keeping my fingers crossed

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<v Speaker 1>for VV Ramaswami because he's got great ideas and he

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<v Speaker 1>is as an enthused guy as you can ever find.

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<v Speaker 4>Jack, he is super fantastic. And mid terms are always

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<v Speaker 4>tough for the party in charge, and so in Ohio,

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<v Speaker 4>Donald Trump is won here multiple times, obviously by wider

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<v Speaker 4>margins each time, and without him being at the top

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<v Speaker 3>You go, Okay, do you have somebody to.

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<v Speaker 4>Put at the top of the ticket that can help

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<v Speaker 4>Republicans down ballot? And Vik brings an energy and attention

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<v Speaker 4>that I think is good for Republicans here in the Buck.

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<v Speaker 3>I stay.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Wins are editor in chief of High Press Network.

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<v Speaker 1>When we come back, we'll get on Focus here and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about the efforts to override Dwine's vetos, one

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<v Speaker 1>of which was successful, but one of the other two

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<v Speaker 1>more with Jack Wins are on those after these brief words,

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<v Speaker 1>AY thirty seven and fifty five KRCD talk station Happy Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Thomas Swift, Jack Winsor, editor in chief of the

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<v Speaker 1>how Press Network, pivoting over to the budget. The budget

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<v Speaker 1>can in Ohio here contain three I call them babystep,

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<v Speaker 1>but some efforts to help us deal with the outrageous

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<v Speaker 1>property tax bills. We're facing three separate provisions the line

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<v Speaker 1>I and vetoed all three for reasons that still escaped

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<v Speaker 1>me and Jack, maybe you can explain that if you

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<v Speaker 1>figured it out. But he said, we need to study

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<v Speaker 1>them more. We need a working group to look into this. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>by all accounts, they've been studying and looking at this

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<v Speaker 1>with a different working group leading up to the budget,

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<v Speaker 1>which incorporated three ideas from the prior working group who

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<v Speaker 1>came up with like twenty three different suggestions on how

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<v Speaker 1>we can deal with property tax. So there, the work

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<v Speaker 1>has been done. There, it is in the bill, and

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<v Speaker 1>yet Dwine chooses to veto those but not veto the

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred million dollars going to the Cleveland Browns. So

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<v Speaker 1>you may or may not want to address that one, Jack,

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<v Speaker 1>But that just really frankly pisses me off. But they

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<v Speaker 1>did successfully override one of the three vetos. So where

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<v Speaker 1>are we on this, Jack?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So there were three or actually there were four going.

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<v Speaker 3>Back that he that he vetoed.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a school cash balance carryover forty percent. There

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<v Speaker 4>was a recalculating the twenty mil floor, which gets you know,

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<v Speaker 4>so far in the weeds my mind starts to hurt yep.

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<v Speaker 4>And then there was empowering the county Budget commission authority,

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<v Speaker 4>allowing them essentially, this group of commissioners to say no,

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<v Speaker 4>now that's excessive, we can't do that, so more local control.

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<v Speaker 4>And then the one that actually was overridden on Monday.

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<v Speaker 4>It takes away I call them tools for schools and

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<v Speaker 4>other taxing authorities in the form of the types of

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<v Speaker 4>levees that they use, and one of the examples that

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<v Speaker 4>restricted emergency levees. Those those tools are taken away, and frankly,

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<v Speaker 4>part of it is that those words can be misleading,

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<v Speaker 4>They can be missnober yes and misnomers when these things

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<v Speaker 4>are being cussed and discussed during the budget process. One

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<v Speaker 4>school district we found was in an emergency levy situation

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<v Speaker 4>for twenty years, and one lawmaker said, okay, now, explain

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<v Speaker 4>to me an emergency that last twenty years. And so

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<v Speaker 4>these are those structural changes that really give their design

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<v Speaker 4>to give voters more transparency when they go to the

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<v Speaker 1>All right, but they didn't vote on a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>the overrides. I learned this morning from Donovan and Neil

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<v Speaker 1>from Americans for Prosperity. They were concerned about voting on

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<v Speaker 1>those because they didn't know if they had enough votes

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<v Speaker 1>to override. And they only get one bite at the

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<v Speaker 1>apple in terms of voting to override the vetos, so

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<v Speaker 1>they put it on hold. So maybe in September or

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<v Speaker 1>whenever when they come back, they're going to vote on those.

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<v Speaker 1>But I guess if they weren't sure they had enough

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<v Speaker 1>votes to override the veto, there's no certainty that those

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<v Speaker 4>That's a great observation, and I'm with you on that.

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<v Speaker 4>I talked to state Representative Beth Lear and I said,

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<v Speaker 4>do you think you can take another crack at these sometime

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<v Speaker 4>later in the fall when everyone officially returns from summer recess.

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<v Speaker 4>And the answer was yes. But I want to go

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<v Speaker 4>back to what you said earlier, Brian. Some of the

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<v Speaker 4>things that have caused outrage here. Number one, it appears

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<v Speaker 4>far that there's not going to be any immediate property relief.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, there are some.

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<v Speaker 4>People who would say these reforms were not going to

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<v Speaker 4>provide immediate property relief anyway. But you said DeWine wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to take a better look at this. Well, you also

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<v Speaker 4>said there was a commission, bipartisan commission that created over

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<v Speaker 4>twenty property tax reform ideas that were baked into this budget,

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<v Speaker 4>and Diwine of course took his veto pen and cut

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<v Speaker 4>those out. But the thing with DeWine's working group is,

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<v Speaker 4>now we found out yesterday there's there's more reason for

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<v Speaker 4>people to be upset. When he originally put that together.

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<v Speaker 4>The two people he put in charge are lobbyists. One

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<v Speaker 4>is from the Cincinnati area Bill Sites, he's a former

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<v Speaker 4>state representative, and the other is former Congressman Pat T Berry,

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<v Speaker 4>who's now CEO of the Ohio Business Roundtable. But Sites,

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<v Speaker 4>for those who don't know, after leaving the state House,

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<v Speaker 4>he's now a lobbyist. And get this, Brian, this is

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<v Speaker 4>the part that has people really peeved. He represents clients

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<v Speaker 4>like Cincinnati Public Schools, Sycamore Township, Cincinnati, Hamilton County Public Library.

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<v Speaker 4>And you go, okay, well, what does that matter because

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<v Speaker 4>those are entities that are reliant on tax Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So you go, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>The guys that he put in charge of this commission

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<v Speaker 4>are our lobbyists that are probably going to be there

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<v Speaker 4>pushing for the reforms that most Ohioans don't want. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>and then we found out yesterday he released a list

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<v Speaker 4>of nine other folks to be on that commission, And

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<v Speaker 4>as I look at them, there's like a treasurer, auditor, auditor,

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<v Speaker 4>superintendent of of one public school system, another superintendent, Hamilton

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<v Speaker 4>County commissioner, Pickaway County commissioner, and then a Pike County commissioner,

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<v Speaker 4>And you go, Okay, that's good. These local taxing authorities

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<v Speaker 4>are represented. But I don't see any state reps. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't see any policy experts. I don't see any property

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<v Speaker 4>don't And so it's it's so focused on this one sector.

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<v Speaker 4>I think a lot of people are now going, all right,

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<v Speaker 4>what's what's thewine going to try to bake up? And

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<v Speaker 4>does you have enough control over some Republicans in the

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<v Speaker 4>General Assembly that we're going to get more watered down

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<v Speaker 1>I think anybody's reading tea leaves will probably go in

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<v Speaker 1>that direction. Like me, Jack, I think that's exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to get. Knowing Dwine's record, most notably and

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<v Speaker 1>considering who's on the hand Select committee there. But this

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<v Speaker 1>raises sort of an interesting specter. It will kick the

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<v Speaker 1>can down the road. Whatever the committee comes up with

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<v Speaker 1>is going to have to be turned into some form

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<v Speaker 1>of legislation that's going to have to go after go

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<v Speaker 1>through the legislative process, since we're done with the budget,

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<v Speaker 1>and if they don't override the vetos. That is to say,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't this make more likely or create the potential of

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<v Speaker 1>the constitutional amendment petition that's circulating more likely to pass

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<v Speaker 1>because they are kicking the can down the road and

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<v Speaker 1>we are not going to be getting any immediate property

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<v Speaker 1>tax relief that we can see. I mean even baby

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<v Speaker 1>steps might go along the way, and you could advocate no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>give it time to work, give it time to work.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get the relief. It just is going to be instantaneous, that,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend, will be instantaneous.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it will be instantaneous.

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<v Speaker 4>And as I look at this, my visceral response, my

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<v Speaker 4>hot take on Monday, when the General Assembly just got

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<v Speaker 4>one of those things overridden, I said, this is actually

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<v Speaker 4>going to be positive for the people who want to

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<v Speaker 4>abolish property tax because people are already peeped, and I

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<v Speaker 4>got emails yesterday from folks who said, well, isn't it

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<v Speaker 4>interesting that the General Assembly did or the House did

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<v Speaker 4>what they did on Monday? I no joke, got a

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<v Speaker 4>tax bill or a notice on Tuesday this that you know,

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<v Speaker 4>my taxes are going up X amount, which is you know, astronomical.

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<v Speaker 4>And so you're you're going to have this really interesting situation, Brian,

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<v Speaker 4>where people are going to be even more pissed off

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>But but the lobbying, uh, I don't know power influence

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<v Speaker 4>resources of the people opposed to massive tax reform here.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you're seeing it, and I think the wine

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<v Speaker 4>So it's going to be this clash of old way

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<v Speaker 4>of doing it in politics, and probably a bunch of

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't pass, and then a bunch of grassroots people in

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<v Speaker 4>Ohio who go, no, come hell or high water, we're

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<v Speaker 4>putting this on the ballot and I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>Any Yeah, and that is definitely going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>challenge because as you poured out I think statement the

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<v Speaker 1>obvious that is going to be a well financed opposition

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<v Speaker 1>to that ballot initiative. And you know, just random folks

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<v Speaker 1>like me saying it might be a good idea are

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be backed by the money. There's just

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<v Speaker 1>not There's not a lobbying group or some organization that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to hurt all the individual people into one sound,

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<v Speaker 4>That's exactly right. And so right now they're in that

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<v Speaker 4>signature gathering phase. In fact, I think the idea was

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<v Speaker 4>to have those signatures gathered for later this year, and

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<v Speaker 4>it looks like earliest would be May of twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 4>If they can't get them, it's then November twenty sixth,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you're looking all the way into twenty seven, right,

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<v Speaker 4>And so people want property tax relief.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we'll find out.

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<v Speaker 4>Dewayne's commission is set to meet on Thursday, so we'll

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<v Speaker 4>see what they come up with after that first meeting.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I observed earlier than I had before, Jack, I

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<v Speaker 1>just the thing that really irks me the most about

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<v Speaker 1>property taxes. It's all predicated on some randomly chosen figure

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<v Speaker 1>your house's worth. It's unrealized gain. I've been in my

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<v Speaker 1>house for almost thirty years. I know what I paid

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<v Speaker 1>when I built it. And I know what they tell

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<v Speaker 1>me it's worth now, and it's gone up a lot

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<v Speaker 1>in value. It's only worth whatever somebody's willing to buy it,

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<v Speaker 1>does sell it, or to pay for it at the

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<v Speaker 1>time of sale. That's the only time you ever know

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<v Speaker 1>the value of your home. And yet here we are

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<v Speaker 1>saddle with this insane recalculation because well, COVID change the

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<v Speaker 3>Yes it did.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, I feel for everybody who has that

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<v Speaker 4>unrealized game, because just because your home value goes up

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<v Speaker 4>forty thousand or fifty thousand dollars, it doesn't mean that

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<v Speaker 4>you have some you know, corresponding I know, likewise, cash

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<v Speaker 4>stash that you can pay your taxes with.

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<v Speaker 3>I also feel for the older folks on fixed incomes.

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<v Speaker 4>My dad, you know, and some of the listeners probably

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<v Speaker 4>have dads and grandparents who are struggling. And it comes

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<v Speaker 4>down to the age old question if I've paid my

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<v Speaker 4>don't make as much as I used to and I

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<v Speaker 4>can't afford my property bill and you can take my home,

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<v Speaker 4>that I ever really owned my home or did the

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<v Speaker 4>government always own my home, and I think that's what

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<v Speaker 4>has people so peeved. That why there's so much momentum

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<v Speaker 4>around abolishing property tax now as the GA and the

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<v Speaker 4>governor continue to kick the can down the road.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and that's a course I hear from my listening audience, Jack,

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<v Speaker 1>is that you never own your own home home as

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<v Speaker 1>long as they can make demands and take your home

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<v Speaker 1>from you because you can't pay property taxes, you are

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<v Speaker 1>not a real property owner. Jack wins Our, editor in

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<v Speaker 1>what he has to say throughout the week. I always

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy talking with you, Jack. It's a real pleasure to

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<v Speaker 1>have you on my program and I'll look forward to

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<v Speaker 1>doing it again real soon.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, thank you to Joe. Thank you to you as well. Brian.

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<v Speaker 3>Have a great day. You do the same.

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