WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.040 --> 00:00:04.879 You're listening to Bill Handle on Demand from KFI AM 2 00:00:04.919 --> 00:00:05.480 six forty. 3 00:00:07.080 --> 00:00:09.519 We have a lot of things to talk about today, 4 00:00:09.560 --> 00:00:13.320 but obviously the first order of business here is to 5 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:18.000 give updates on the situation involving Hurricane Milton, which has 6 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:23.760 left land. It hit the west coast of Florida last night. 7 00:00:24.559 --> 00:00:27.320 It made its way across the middle of the state 8 00:00:28.199 --> 00:00:33.280 pretty horizontally, and the center of the storm has left 9 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:35.600 land is now over the Atlantic Ocean. 10 00:00:36.759 --> 00:00:38.280 The entire time. 11 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:46.320 That Hurricane Milton was over land, it was still a hurricane. 12 00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:52.399 It retained hurricane strength the entire path across Florida. Right now, 13 00:00:53.320 --> 00:00:57.719 they're reporting it's traveling east northeast up like north of 14 00:00:57.759 --> 00:01:01.799 the Bahamas. If it keeps going this way, I think 15 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:05.000 this may be the end of the destruction from the hurricane. 16 00:01:05.640 --> 00:01:09.159 Still has wind speeds sustained maximum wind speeds of eighty 17 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:10.040 five miles an hour. 18 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:11.519 It's still a Category. 19 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:18.680 One hurricane and a lot of devastation and unfortunately deaths 20 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:23.640 confirmed at this time. At least four people were killed 21 00:01:24.879 --> 00:01:30.959 on the east coast of Florida when tornadoes whipped up. 22 00:01:31.159 --> 00:01:36.040 There were quite a few tornadoes thrown up by Hurricane Milton. 23 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:42.439 And four people confirmed dead. There is no doubt that 24 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:46.159 the death toll is going to go up. And there 25 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:49.000 was a police chief of one of the towns there. 26 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:52.040 I think it's Bradenton who. 27 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:57.319 Said she said, right now, we don't have a death toll. 28 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:00.599 But what we have not been able to do is 29 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:04.519 to go looking in the areas where people did not evacuate. 30 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:07.159 And as soon as we start looking in the areas 31 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:11.599 where people did not evacuate, we know we're going to 32 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:15.000 have a death toll because anybody who stayed behind was 33 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:20.000 in mortal danger. And the tornadoes are just one of 34 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:23.199 the reasons and the most obvious reason right now that 35 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:29.319 people are dead. Hurricanes can spawn and often do spawn tornadoes. 36 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:35.039 And I didn't really understand this about hurricanes until Milton 37 00:02:35.080 --> 00:02:38.560 came along, and then you know, somebody decides to explain 38 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:43.039 what's going on. So what I've learned is, so you 39 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:46.439 have a hurricane and there's you know, storms and raining, 40 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:51.520 but around the outer perimeter of the hurricane there are separate, 41 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:56.240 additional storms going on. It's like a gang of storms 42 00:02:56.280 --> 00:03:01.199 all following the leader and moving across. And when the 43 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:05.919 hurricane's over water, you won't get tornadoes. But once a 44 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:11.240 hurricane hits land, because now it's on ground, there starts 45 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:15.199 to be friction, and I guess it's the friction that 46 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:19.080 really whips up the formation of the tornadoes and the 47 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:23.000 tornadoes actually touching down and causing the devastation. 48 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:28.520 There are well over three million people without power. 49 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:34.639 There are some areas where eighty percent of the people 50 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:37.960 lost power. Now I know that that was being presented 51 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:41.800 as a way of explaining the level of devastation and 52 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:44.479 the power of the storm, but I also feel like 53 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:47.240 I'm sort of surprised that if you were in an 54 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:52.120 area that was hit dead on by this hurricane and 55 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:57.840 twenty percent of you didn't lose power, that's actually surprising 56 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:01.199 to me. I mean, it's, you know, hold comfort if 57 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:05.360 your house was damaged and trees are down and people 58 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:08.599 are injured. But I just was surprised. I thought there 59 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:12.319 would be some areas where all the power went out. 60 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:17.000 Airports are closed in areas affected by the storms. You know, 61 00:04:17.199 --> 00:04:24.519 Orlando International, Tampa International, Saint Pete, Clearwater, Sarasota, they're all closed. 62 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:28.079 There's still a lot of rain and storming going on 63 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:30.560 on the east coast of Florida. Because even though Milton 64 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:33.680 has made its exit. You know, it has a tail 65 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:36.560 behind it, and that's still causing a lot of trouble. 66 00:04:37.360 --> 00:04:41.240 In the meantime, the President Biden is getting briefed by 67 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:45.959 both the head of FEMA, Dean chris Well, and also 68 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:50.199 a Homeland Security advisor, Elizabeth Sherwood Randall. They are the 69 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:52.959 point people for advising the President about what's going on, 70 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:59.560 and emergency workers are all over the place. Number one 71 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:08.480 right now is saving people. Fixing stuff will come, but 72 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:13.279 it's not the number one priority right now. So that 73 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:18.879 is the situation. I would imagine. Now the news will 74 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:23.079 shift to assessments of the damage and stories of the 75 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:29.720 efforts to recover from it, because thankfully Hurricane Milton is 76 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:34.800 going away rather than on its way. So what we're 77 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:36.759 going to do is get some news from Amy King. Amy, 78 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:39.680 you'll probably have some more stuff on the aftermath of 79 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:43.439 Hurricane Milton, and then we're going to talk about one of, 80 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:47.839 if not the most radical shifts in public opinion in 81 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:50.199 the history of the United States of America. That is 82 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:54.839 happening right now. It's KFI AM six forty live everywhere 83 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:57.879 on the iHeartRadio app Wayne Residik here sitting in until 84 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:02.000 nine o'clock and coming up at a Joe Lars Guard 85 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:04.120 will join us as he always does, with some. 86 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:07.439 Information about to be how to be smarter about money. 87 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:12.079 And there's a new card coming out that you may 88 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:14.399 want to get, but I believe he's going to tell 89 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:18.399 you that it's garbage and some of the stories we're 90 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:22.399 watching for you. Right now, over three million homes and 91 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:25.839 businesses in Florida have no power this morning after Hurricane 92 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:30.800 Milton made landfall hit land as a Category three hurricane. 93 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:33.759 We know that when hurricanes hit land they start to 94 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:37.480 weaken it, but it only got down to a Category 95 00:06:37.519 --> 00:06:41.439 one hurricane when it left the east coast of Florida. 96 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:45.560 It was still a full on hurricane and it's still 97 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:49.720 producing damaging winds and heavy rainfall, according to the National 98 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:58.759 Hurricane Center. Let's talk about something called thermostatic public opinion. 99 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:02.600 Get ready to find out what it is and why 100 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:10.160 it is behind probably the most fast dramatic shift in 101 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:14.720 US public opinion in the history of this country, and 102 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:19.160 it has to do with the issue of immigration. Let's 103 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:23.360 walk through it. When Donald Trump was running for president 104 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:26.839 about eight years ago, you may remember he talked about 105 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:27.800 illegal immigration. 106 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:29.680 He said, and and immigration in general. 107 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:32.040 And do you remember when he said when this is 108 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:35.040 a quote, when Mexico sends its people, they're not sending 109 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:40.360 the best. And he talked about building a big, beautiful wall. Now, 110 00:07:40.399 --> 00:07:43.160 at the time, some people were shocked. This seems very 111 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:46.800 mean and extreme if you but now right now today, 112 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:48.639 when I tell you he said those things, I don't 113 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:52.399 it doesn't really seem particularly extreme. It seems kind of 114 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:57.079 mild compared to how he's talking today. Immigrants are poisoning 115 00:07:57.079 --> 00:08:00.399 the blood of the country. He talks about immigrants, as 116 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:03.600 you know, they're all out of an insane asylum, murdering 117 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:07.319 everybody that they see. He's talking about the largest deportation 118 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:10.399 in the history of the country. So the rhetoric there 119 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:14.079 is shifted, and it's shifted for the Democrats too, because 120 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:18.000 last time Joe Biden was running and his thing was 121 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:24.600 I'm gonna undo all of the Trump meanness. He actually said, 122 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:28.959 We're gonna end Trump's assault on the dignity of immigrant 123 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:33.440 communities and restore our moral standing in the world. And 124 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:38.279 he was all this, you know, very flowerly, flowery, touchy 125 00:08:38.440 --> 00:08:45.039 feely language. So he was talking like that, Okay, here 126 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:47.440 we are now now he's not the candidate anymore. Kamala 127 00:08:47.519 --> 00:08:50.320 Harris is the candidate. She's still the Democratic candidate though, 128 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:53.000 And if you look at the messaging on immigration from 129 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:57.720 the Democrats, it has gone from we are gonna wipe out, 130 00:08:57.799 --> 00:09:00.399 you know, everything Trump did, and we're going to to 131 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:04.600 make everybody have dignity in these kinds of feelings. And 132 00:09:04.679 --> 00:09:09.600 now Kamala Harris will say, oh, you know, I used 133 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:15.639 to prosecute transnational criminal gangs. Also, I will pass legislation 134 00:09:15.919 --> 00:09:19.960 to make the border stronger. There's nothing wrong with any 135 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:23.080 of that, but it's very different rhetoric than we were 136 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:26.159 getting just four years ago. And this didn't just happen 137 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:33.440 for no reason. The politicians are responding to this unbelievable 138 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:38.240 shift in public opinion on the subject of immigration. Gallup 139 00:09:38.279 --> 00:09:40.360 does a poll they've been doing it since the mid 140 00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:43.600 sixties where they ask people about immigration, and one of 141 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:46.960 the questions they ask is, and they're not talking about 142 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:51.679 legal or illegal, just immigration, should we have more or 143 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:56.000 should we have less? Four years ago, about a quarter 144 00:09:56.159 --> 00:09:58.879 of the country said we should have less immigration. 145 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:02.519 Here we are it's only been four years. 146 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:07.000 Fifty five percent now are saying we should have less immigration. 147 00:10:08.279 --> 00:10:15.080 That's shocking for how quickly the sentiment has changed, and 148 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:19.080 the fact that, obviously you could imagine Republicans' attitudes are 149 00:10:19.159 --> 00:10:22.399 changing a lot. More Republicans say we should have less immigration, 150 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:27.559 but so are independents, and so are Democrats. And public 151 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:31.399 opinion always changes over time and vacillates and goes back 152 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:35.600 and forth. But this is almost unheard of for something 153 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:40.399 to change this big this fast. There's two big reasons 154 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:43.679 for it, and one of them is that thing I mentioned, 155 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:48.399 thermostatic public opinion. This refers to the phenomenon that public 156 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:54.320 opinion tends to go opposite of whatever the sitting president's 157 00:10:54.440 --> 00:11:00.279 rhetoric and policies are. The more polarizing the president, the 158 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:05.120 more public opinion moves away from what that president is about. 159 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:10.279 So Donald Trump, not that he wanted to, or planned 160 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:14.320 to or intended to, he turned up the thermostack big time. 161 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:19.440 He was talking so vehemently. 162 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:25.039 Against immigration that this natural process that occurs was turbocharged 163 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:29.960 and public opinion went way way pro immigrant. That's why 164 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:33.120 by twenty twenty only about a quarter of the country 165 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:37.600 said we should have less immigration. Then you get Biden 166 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:39.799 in office, and we already told you what he was 167 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:40.600 talking about. 168 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:43.480 He's the polar opposite. 169 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:47.559 So the same process throws everybody in the other direction. 170 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:51.480 He's viewed as very accommodating of immigration. He loves immigration, 171 00:11:51.600 --> 00:11:55.080 and so guess what happens now opinion starts moving away 172 00:11:55.440 --> 00:12:01.120 from liking immigration. And there's another factor. That's one of 173 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:06.000 the factors behind this. And the other factor is a 174 00:12:06.159 --> 00:12:09.799 very real situation. This is this is not a partisan thing. 175 00:12:10.039 --> 00:12:15.600 This is a bipartisan reaction to actual problems. And even 176 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:20.200 if you want to say chaos at the border, I mean, 177 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:24.759 there really has been a tough situation down there, a 178 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:29.279 historic surge of people at the border, and so as 179 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:32.879 you might imagine, that's a real world, real thing that's 180 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:36.679 not political. It's a thing that's happening that you can 181 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:41.360 watch on the news, and so that you might imagine 182 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:45.600 makes people think twice about immigration. 183 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:48.240 And they call that that thing. 184 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:51.720 You know, I mentioned earlier to Neil in Handle on 185 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:53.840 the news, I was going to be talking about chaos theory, 186 00:12:53.879 --> 00:12:57.080 and this is when I'm talking about it. When you 187 00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:00.240 have chaos at the border, when you have whatever you 188 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:03.039 want to call it, chaos at the border, an unprecedented 189 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:07.000 surge of migrants at the border. You can call it 190 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:10.480 a locus of control theory, which sounds nice and academic, 191 00:13:10.679 --> 00:13:14.200 or it's chaos theory. And we know that this is 192 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:18.159 legitimate because there's all kinds of survey data and research 193 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:23.919 in the field of political science, and it's this. When 194 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:29.519 people perceive that the process of immigration is under control 195 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:35.120 and it's orderly and it's fair, they are far more 196 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:38.919 into having immigration. But when they perceive that it's out 197 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:42.320 of control and it's crazy and it's unfair. So having 198 00:13:42.360 --> 00:13:45.480 an uncommonly large surge of people at the border would 199 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:48.759 be an example of that, people say, ah, I don't 200 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:49.120 like it. 201 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:50.320 In other words, there's. 202 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:52.720 The issue of immigration, and then there's the issue of 203 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:55.000 what's happening with immigration. 204 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:57.000 Right now, and that's the chaos theory. 205 00:13:57.039 --> 00:13:59.360 If you view right now as being crazy and out 206 00:13:59.399 --> 00:14:02.039 of control, you're not going to be as into immigration. 207 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:04.080 And that's what's happening. 208 00:14:04.120 --> 00:14:06.480 And public opinion changes all the time, and it does 209 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:10.480 go back and forth, but really, pollsters and researchers have 210 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:16.799 not seen opinion shift this much this fast. Ever, let's 211 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:19.759 get some news from Amy King and then did you 212 00:14:19.840 --> 00:14:23.639 know that LA run the LA area runs the biggest 213 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:30.120 jail system in this country, possibly in the world, and 214 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:32.759 they're still considering building more jails. 215 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:34.600 And this has been. 216 00:14:36.039 --> 00:14:40.759 The question in La Fraught from before it was officially 217 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:43.440 a city building more jails. 218 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:45.000 We've been doing this forever. 219 00:14:45.639 --> 00:14:47.399 And I'll tell you what's going on right now and 220 00:14:47.480 --> 00:14:52.039 why and why it's important that someday, somehow they figure 221 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:55.519 this out. This is the Bill Handle Show, and he 222 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:58.879 is on a vacation. I'm Wayne Resnick, sitting in until nine. 223 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:02.480 Coming up at eight o'clock we will have Joel Larscard, 224 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:05.440 the host of How to Money here on KFI, with 225 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:09.279 some great information this week about how to be smarter 226 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:12.919 about the money that you have and also maybe get 227 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:16.120 some more of that money. But right now we're following 228 00:15:16.120 --> 00:15:19.759 some stories for you. Obviously, Hurricane Milton is still the 229 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:21.200 top story in this country. 230 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:23.440 Amazing in a bad way. 231 00:15:23.919 --> 00:15:27.480 Devastation from this storm that hit the west coast of 232 00:15:27.519 --> 00:15:31.159 Florida as a Category three hurricane, moved across the state, 233 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:34.440 causing devastation, knocking out power to over three million homes 234 00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:37.519 in businesses, killing at least four people. 235 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:42.240 And there probably will be more. It has left land. 236 00:15:42.320 --> 00:15:47.080 It is going north northeast across the Atlantic Ocean now, 237 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:52.120 and the work of determining the extent of the damage 238 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:57.279 and starting the slow process of recovery can begin. In 239 00:15:57.320 --> 00:16:01.840 the meantime, the Social Security Administration has announced that millions 240 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:04.799 of people will get a two and a half percent 241 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:08.159 cost of living increase to their monthly checks starting next year. 242 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:12.080 It will average around fifty dollars a month for the 243 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:17.559 people who get Social Security benefits. Let's talk about jails. 244 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:22.919 LA has a long history of building jails. La County 245 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:27.039 has a long history of building jails and then wondering 246 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:29.440 what to do with these jails as they fall apart, 247 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:32.840 and wondering when and how to build more jails. It's 248 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:37.320 a big part apparently, of running the Southland is having jails. 249 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:40.759 I'm not going to go through the whole history of 250 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:45.919 jails in La except to quickly say it goes back 251 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:52.000 to way before La was La. They were taking over 252 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:56.000 buildings and using them as jails, and continued and continued 253 00:16:56.039 --> 00:16:58.919 and continued. But I will kind of pick it up 254 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:02.039 mid sixty they really said we got to have. 255 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:05.200 We need like a real modern jail. 256 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:09.440 And so in the sixties, of course, the Men's Central 257 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:14.559 jail was built, and it was intended to hold I 258 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:17.839 think thirty three one hundred people, and back at the time, okay, 259 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:20.319 this is like the mid sixties, and the La Times said, 260 00:17:20.359 --> 00:17:24.039 this looks like some science fiction future stuff, this building. 261 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:28.599 But it started falling apart, and you know what, it 262 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:32.319 did not last that long in excellent condition. I don't 263 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:36.039 know if that's because they built it crappily, because it 264 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:39.039 was only maybe ten years later that people were already 265 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:41.279 complaining about how it was falling apart. 266 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:44.680 And came a series of federal. 267 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:49.799 Lawsuits about the condition at the Men's Central Jail, and 268 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:53.039 there was a class action lawsuit and the inmates won, 269 00:17:54.440 --> 00:17:57.720 and a judge, a federal judge that said, the jail 270 00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:01.279 is on it's so bad, it's unconstant, and you're gonna 271 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:03.240 have to do some things. You're gonna have to give 272 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:05.559 everybody their own bunk. You can't have people sleeping on 273 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:07.759 the floor. You have to let the prisoners outside for 274 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:09.599 an hour a day instead of two and a half 275 00:18:09.640 --> 00:18:13.720 hours a week. Other stuff, bad, bad, bad, And the 276 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:20.640 county didn't do all of those things, at least not consistently. 277 00:18:20.839 --> 00:18:26.000 In fact, in some cases the situation got worse. So 278 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:32.720 they built another jail, the Twin Towers, which is downtown, 279 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:36.880 also sort of modern looking, three hundred and seventy three 280 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:40.759 million dollars, and then it sat there empty because they 281 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:44.559 spent three hundred and seventy three million dollars to build 282 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:48.480 the Twin Towers jail, and then they had no money 283 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:56.359 for operating it. At one time there were over twenty 284 00:18:56.400 --> 00:19:02.079 three thousand people living in jails in La County. So 285 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:08.799 now fast forward to today. That case is still going on. 286 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:10.599 You know the case I told you about. 287 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:14.480 Where the judge said it's all on constitutionally, you got 288 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:18.200 to get your act together. That case it's still going on. 289 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:23.160 Judge Gray is no longer around, so it's a different 290 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:26.960 judge who is overseeing the matter. And his name is 291 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:29.799 Dean Pragerson. And I only say that because I did 292 00:19:29.839 --> 00:19:33.240 work very closely with him when I was with the Feds. 293 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:35.920 And some judges are real jerks. They are, I'm sorry, 294 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:40.000 Some federal judges are jerks. Some federal judges are dumbasses. 295 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:43.720 He was neither of those. He's a good guy and 296 00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:46.799 a good judge, and he's got this case now that's 297 00:19:46.839 --> 00:19:52.319 been going on for literally decades where there's still big 298 00:19:52.400 --> 00:20:00.480 problems with the men's central jail and now the county. 299 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:04.160 Do you remember when they were gonna build they were 300 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:07.880 gonna replace the central jail. They were gonna spend almost 301 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:09.160 two billion dollars. 302 00:20:09.559 --> 00:20:10.200 Do you remember that. 303 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:11.839 It was like, I don't know, five years ago they 304 00:20:11.839 --> 00:20:16.559 were talking about this, and I don't know they said. 305 00:20:16.720 --> 00:20:18.720 At some point they decided we're not gonna do it. 306 00:20:20.599 --> 00:20:22.279 Now. Here's why this is important. 307 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:31.079 You must have enough proper humane jail space. You have 308 00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:35.000 to have it or you are failing the community. You 309 00:20:35.240 --> 00:20:38.599 don't necessarily have to fill it up. This is not 310 00:20:39.640 --> 00:20:43.559 a discussion about should we send more people or fewer 311 00:20:43.599 --> 00:20:44.519 people to jail. 312 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:47.920 That's a separate thing. What I'm saying is. 313 00:20:50.240 --> 00:20:56.000 When you send someone to jail, it better be constitutional. 314 00:20:56.160 --> 00:21:01.759 And here's why, because if it's not, then you get 315 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:05.559 what has already happened in California because of the same 316 00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:09.680 problem with the state prisons. You get federal lawsuits, you 317 00:21:09.720 --> 00:21:15.200 get judges declaring unconstitutionality, you get judges appointing receivers to 318 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:20.000 oversee the prison system, and then you get, in the 319 00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:23.880 case of the state, you get an order to reduce 320 00:21:23.960 --> 00:21:27.759 the population, which is what happened to the State of California. 321 00:21:28.079 --> 00:21:30.319 And the State of California appealed this all the way 322 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:32.079 to the Supreme Court of the United States, saying, you 323 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:35.319 can't order us to reduce our prison population, and the 324 00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:39.240 Supreme Court of the United States said, yes they can. 325 00:21:39.599 --> 00:21:45.839 And that's why you got realignment where people were sent 326 00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:48.599 to county jails instead of state prisons and therefore got 327 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:51.599 out a lot earlier. That is why you got prof. 328 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:56.640 Forty seven. That's why you got those things. You didn't 329 00:21:56.680 --> 00:22:00.559 really get those things just because of progressive prosit secutors 330 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:04.640 and the like. You got those things because there was 331 00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:09.240 no choice but to reduce the population in the jails 332 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:12.920 and prisons. Now, maybe we are sending too many people 333 00:22:12.920 --> 00:22:15.799 to jail in prison, but what I'm saying is you 334 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:21.359 must have adequate jail space in any kind of community, 335 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:24.839 or else you get the kind of chaos that we've seen. 336 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:29.039 And no lessons have been learned at the state level 337 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:31.680 or at the LA county level, No lessons have been 338 00:22:31.720 --> 00:22:35.839 learned at all. It's the Bill Handles show Bill on vacation, 339 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:39.519 Wayne Wesnick sitting in until nine o'clock. Top stories We're 340 00:22:39.559 --> 00:22:42.480 watching for you at KFI. More than three million homes 341 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:47.839 and businesses without power after Hurricane Milton made landfall hit 342 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:51.359 the West coast as a Category three hurricane moved across 343 00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:57.359 the state, destroying a lot of stuff and causing tornadoes 344 00:22:57.440 --> 00:23:01.640 to touch down. Four people confirm dead from those tornadoes. 345 00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:05.000 Milton has now moved off the East coast, is over 346 00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:09.079 the Atlantic. It's now a Category one hurricane and off 347 00:23:09.119 --> 00:23:12.359 it goes. And they are already looking at a couple 348 00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:15.559 of other One is a potential storm that they're describing 349 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:19.880 now as a disturbance that could develop into a storm. 350 00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:23.200 And there is also a hurricane. There's some hurricane going 351 00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:25.640 around in the Atlantic, but right now nobody thinks it's 352 00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:29.400 gonna come anywhere near anything. So we're not done with 353 00:23:29.480 --> 00:23:35.960 hurricane season unfortunately. Also, Honda has recalled like one point 354 00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:39.519 six one point seven million cars because of some problem 355 00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:42.759 with the steering that could make it hard to steer 356 00:23:43.319 --> 00:23:45.480 the car, which I think we can all agree. If 357 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:48.599 it's too hard to steer the car harder than it's 358 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:51.920 supposed to be, that could be dangerous. So this was 359 00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:54.960 a excuse me, a recall that was ordered by the 360 00:23:55.039 --> 00:23:58.839 National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. It's something in the gearbox assembly, 361 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:03.640 maybe even made wrong, and you will get noticed if 362 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:06.000 you have one of these cars, but their model year 363 00:24:06.079 --> 00:24:09.920 twenty twenty two to twenty twenty five and involve some 364 00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:16.839 Acura Integras, Honda Civics, Honda crvs, and Honda hr vs. 365 00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:21.839 So I don't know if you love the death penalty 366 00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:24.440 or you hate the death penalty. I don't know where 367 00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:26.839 you stand on it, but I'm hoping maybe by the 368 00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:29.359 end of this segment will agree on at least one thing. 369 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:30.920 About the death penalty. 370 00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:32.559 This has to do with a case that's in front 371 00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:35.640 of the Supreme Court and they had oral argument yesterday 372 00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:41.519 and the defendant is a death row inmate named Richard 373 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:44.519 Glossip who was convicted of murder. 374 00:24:46.079 --> 00:24:47.839 But there are some problems with the case. 375 00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:51.319 Now. In any death penalty case, as you know, defense 376 00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:55.640 attorneys will come up with all kinds of things to 377 00:24:55.759 --> 00:24:59.079 stop the execution, which they did in this case to 378 00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:04.160 you know, challenging the method of execution itself as being unconstitutional, 379 00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:09.119 which Richard Gossip was part of that litigation, and the 380 00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:13.279 Supreme Court heard his case with regard to that and said, no, 381 00:25:13.519 --> 00:25:19.759 you really can't challenge the method of execution as being 382 00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:24.279 cruel and unusual punishment. Sorry, so that was one thing 383 00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:26.240 that was tried and then he went back down. But 384 00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:28.000 now they're up in front of the screen court on 385 00:25:28.039 --> 00:25:30.160 a completely different issue, and it really is different. 386 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:37.039 Here's what everybody agrees happened. There is a. 387 00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:45.759 Guy who worked at a motel named Von Trees, and 388 00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:53.599 everybody agrees that a guy named Justin Snead beat mister 389 00:25:53.720 --> 00:26:01.079 Von Trees to death with a baseball bat. Justin Snead said, yeah, 390 00:26:01.119 --> 00:26:07.599 I did that, But here's what happened. He made a 391 00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:11.480 deal to avoid the death penalty. The guy who actually 392 00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:17.680 beat another man to death made a deal to avoid 393 00:26:17.720 --> 00:26:22.680 the death penalty by pointing the finger at Richard Glossip 394 00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:26.599 as being the man who arranged it and asked him 395 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:31.519 to do it. And so Richard Gossip was convicted and 396 00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:35.559 was given the death penalty for arranging and causing and 397 00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:43.519 procuring the murder of mister Ventrees. Now here's the problem. 398 00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:48.079 Mister Justin Snead, who has admitted that he beat a 399 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:53.920 man to death with a baseball bat, also has some 400 00:26:54.039 --> 00:27:01.000 pretty serious mental health issues bipolar disorder. He had been 401 00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:09.119