Speaker 1: You're listening to Bill Handle on Demand from KFI AM
Speaker 1: six forty.
Speaker 2: We have a lot of things to talk about today,
Speaker 2: but obviously the first order of business here is to
Speaker 2: give updates on the situation involving Hurricane Milton, which has
Speaker 2: left land. It hit the west coast of Florida last night.
Speaker 2: It made its way across the middle of the state
Speaker 2: pretty horizontally, and the center of the storm has left
Speaker 2: land is now over the Atlantic Ocean.
Speaker 1: The entire time.
Speaker 2: That Hurricane Milton was over land, it was still a hurricane.
Speaker 2: It retained hurricane strength the entire path across Florida. Right now,
Speaker 2: they're reporting it's traveling east northeast up like north of
Speaker 2: the Bahamas. If it keeps going this way, I think
Speaker 2: this may be the end of the destruction from the hurricane.
Speaker 2: Still has wind speeds sustained maximum wind speeds of eighty
Speaker 2: five miles an hour.
Speaker 1: It's still a Category.
Speaker 2: One hurricane and a lot of devastation and unfortunately deaths
Speaker 2: confirmed at this time. At least four people were killed
Speaker 2: on the east coast of Florida when tornadoes whipped up.
Speaker 2: There were quite a few tornadoes thrown up by Hurricane Milton.
Speaker 2: And four people confirmed dead. There is no doubt that
Speaker 2: the death toll is going to go up. And there
Speaker 2: was a police chief of one of the towns there.
Speaker 1: I think it's Bradenton who.
Speaker 2: Said she said, right now, we don't have a death toll.
Speaker 2: But what we have not been able to do is
Speaker 2: to go looking in the areas where people did not evacuate.
Speaker 2: And as soon as we start looking in the areas
Speaker 2: where people did not evacuate, we know we're going to
Speaker 2: have a death toll because anybody who stayed behind was
Speaker 2: in mortal danger. And the tornadoes are just one of
Speaker 2: the reasons and the most obvious reason right now that
Speaker 2: people are dead. Hurricanes can spawn and often do spawn tornadoes.
Speaker 2: And I didn't really understand this about hurricanes until Milton
Speaker 2: came along, and then you know, somebody decides to explain
Speaker 2: what's going on. So what I've learned is, so you
Speaker 2: have a hurricane and there's you know, storms and raining,
Speaker 2: but around the outer perimeter of the hurricane there are separate,
Speaker 2: additional storms going on. It's like a gang of storms
Speaker 2: all following the leader and moving across. And when the
Speaker 2: hurricane's over water, you won't get tornadoes. But once a
Speaker 2: hurricane hits land, because now it's on ground, there starts
Speaker 2: to be friction, and I guess it's the friction that
Speaker 2: really whips up the formation of the tornadoes and the
Speaker 2: tornadoes actually touching down and causing the devastation.
Speaker 1: There are well over three million people without power.
Speaker 2: There are some areas where eighty percent of the people
Speaker 2: lost power. Now I know that that was being presented
Speaker 2: as a way of explaining the level of devastation and
Speaker 2: the power of the storm, but I also feel like
Speaker 2: I'm sort of surprised that if you were in an
Speaker 2: area that was hit dead on by this hurricane and
Speaker 2: twenty percent of you didn't lose power, that's actually surprising
Speaker 2: to me. I mean, it's, you know, hold comfort if
Speaker 2: your house was damaged and trees are down and people
Speaker 2: are injured. But I just was surprised. I thought there
Speaker 2: would be some areas where all the power went out.
Speaker 2: Airports are closed in areas affected by the storms. You know,
Speaker 2: Orlando International, Tampa International, Saint Pete, Clearwater, Sarasota, they're all closed.
Speaker 2: There's still a lot of rain and storming going on
Speaker 2: on the east coast of Florida. Because even though Milton
Speaker 2: has made its exit. You know, it has a tail
Speaker 2: behind it, and that's still causing a lot of trouble.
Speaker 2: In the meantime, the President Biden is getting briefed by
Speaker 2: both the head of FEMA, Dean chris Well, and also
Speaker 2: a Homeland Security advisor, Elizabeth Sherwood Randall. They are the
Speaker 2: point people for advising the President about what's going on,
Speaker 2: and emergency workers are all over the place. Number one
Speaker 2: right now is saving people. Fixing stuff will come, but
Speaker 2: it's not the number one priority right now. So that
Speaker 2: is the situation. I would imagine. Now the news will
Speaker 2: shift to assessments of the damage and stories of the
Speaker 2: efforts to recover from it, because thankfully Hurricane Milton is
Speaker 2: going away rather than on its way. So what we're
Speaker 2: going to do is get some news from Amy King. Amy,
Speaker 2: you'll probably have some more stuff on the aftermath of
Speaker 2: Hurricane Milton, and then we're going to talk about one of,
Speaker 2: if not the most radical shifts in public opinion in
Speaker 2: the history of the United States of America. That is
Speaker 2: happening right now. It's KFI AM six forty live everywhere
Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio app Wayne Residik here sitting in until
Speaker 2: nine o'clock and coming up at a Joe Lars Guard
Speaker 2: will join us as he always does, with some.
Speaker 1: Information about to be how to be smarter about money.
Speaker 2: And there's a new card coming out that you may
Speaker 2: want to get, but I believe he's going to tell
Speaker 2: you that it's garbage and some of the stories we're
Speaker 2: watching for you. Right now, over three million homes and
Speaker 2: businesses in Florida have no power this morning after Hurricane
Speaker 2: Milton made landfall hit land as a Category three hurricane.
Speaker 2: We know that when hurricanes hit land they start to
Speaker 2: weaken it, but it only got down to a Category
Speaker 2: one hurricane when it left the east coast of Florida.
Speaker 2: It was still a full on hurricane and it's still
Speaker 2: producing damaging winds and heavy rainfall, according to the National
Speaker 2: Hurricane Center. Let's talk about something called thermostatic public opinion.
Speaker 2: Get ready to find out what it is and why
Speaker 2: it is behind probably the most fast dramatic shift in
Speaker 2: US public opinion in the history of this country, and
Speaker 2: it has to do with the issue of immigration. Let's
Speaker 2: walk through it. When Donald Trump was running for president
Speaker 2: about eight years ago, you may remember he talked about
Speaker 2: illegal immigration.
Speaker 1: He said, and and immigration in general.
Speaker 2: And do you remember when he said when this is
Speaker 2: a quote, when Mexico sends its people, they're not sending
Speaker 2: the best. And he talked about building a big, beautiful wall. Now,
Speaker 2: at the time, some people were shocked. This seems very
Speaker 2: mean and extreme if you but now right now today,
Speaker 2: when I tell you he said those things, I don't
Speaker 2: it doesn't really seem particularly extreme. It seems kind of
Speaker 2: mild compared to how he's talking today. Immigrants are poisoning
Speaker 2: the blood of the country. He talks about immigrants, as
Speaker 2: you know, they're all out of an insane asylum, murdering
Speaker 2: everybody that they see. He's talking about the largest deportation
Speaker 2: in the history of the country. So the rhetoric there
Speaker 2: is shifted, and it's shifted for the Democrats too, because
Speaker 2: last time Joe Biden was running and his thing was
Speaker 2: I'm gonna undo all of the Trump meanness. He actually said,
Speaker 2: We're gonna end Trump's assault on the dignity of immigrant
Speaker 2: communities and restore our moral standing in the world. And
Speaker 2: he was all this, you know, very flowerly, flowery, touchy
Speaker 2: feely language. So he was talking like that, Okay, here
Speaker 2: we are now now he's not the candidate anymore. Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris is the candidate. She's still the Democratic candidate though,
Speaker 2: And if you look at the messaging on immigration from
Speaker 2: the Democrats, it has gone from we are gonna wipe out,
Speaker 2: you know, everything Trump did, and we're going to to
Speaker 2: make everybody have dignity in these kinds of feelings. And
Speaker 2: now Kamala Harris will say, oh, you know, I used
Speaker 2: to prosecute transnational criminal gangs. Also, I will pass legislation
Speaker 2: to make the border stronger. There's nothing wrong with any
Speaker 2: of that, but it's very different rhetoric than we were
Speaker 2: getting just four years ago. And this didn't just happen
Speaker 2: for no reason. The politicians are responding to this unbelievable
Speaker 2: shift in public opinion on the subject of immigration. Gallup
Speaker 2: does a poll they've been doing it since the mid
Speaker 2: sixties where they ask people about immigration, and one of
Speaker 2: the questions they ask is, and they're not talking about
Speaker 2: legal or illegal, just immigration, should we have more or
Speaker 2: should we have less? Four years ago, about a quarter
Speaker 2: of the country said we should have less immigration.
Speaker 1: Here we are it's only been four years.
Speaker 2: Fifty five percent now are saying we should have less immigration.
Speaker 2: That's shocking for how quickly the sentiment has changed, and
Speaker 2: the fact that, obviously you could imagine Republicans' attitudes are
Speaker 2: changing a lot. More Republicans say we should have less immigration,
Speaker 2: but so are independents, and so are Democrats. And public
Speaker 2: opinion always changes over time and vacillates and goes back
Speaker 2: and forth. But this is almost unheard of for something
Speaker 2: to change this big this fast. There's two big reasons
Speaker 2: for it, and one of them is that thing I mentioned,
Speaker 2: thermostatic public opinion. This refers to the phenomenon that public
Speaker 2: opinion tends to go opposite of whatever the sitting president's
Speaker 2: rhetoric and policies are. The more polarizing the president, the
Speaker 2: more public opinion moves away from what that president is about.
Speaker 2: So Donald Trump, not that he wanted to, or planned
Speaker 2: to or intended to, he turned up the thermostack big time.
Speaker 1: He was talking so vehemently.
Speaker 2: Against immigration that this natural process that occurs was turbocharged
Speaker 2: and public opinion went way way pro immigrant. That's why
Speaker 2: by twenty twenty only about a quarter of the country
Speaker 2: said we should have less immigration. Then you get Biden
Speaker 2: in office, and we already told you what he was
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 1: He's the polar opposite.
Speaker 2: So the same process throws everybody in the other direction.
Speaker 2: He's viewed as very accommodating of immigration. He loves immigration,
Speaker 2: and so guess what happens now opinion starts moving away
Speaker 2: from liking immigration. And there's another factor. That's one of
Speaker 2: the factors behind this. And the other factor is a
Speaker 2: very real situation. This is this is not a partisan thing.
Speaker 2: This is a bipartisan reaction to actual problems. And even
Speaker 2: if you want to say chaos at the border, I mean,
Speaker 2: there really has been a tough situation down there, a
Speaker 2: historic surge of people at the border, and so as
Speaker 2: you might imagine, that's a real world, real thing that's
Speaker 2: not political. It's a thing that's happening that you can
Speaker 2: watch on the news, and so that you might imagine
Speaker 2: makes people think twice about immigration.
Speaker 1: And they call that that thing.
Speaker 2: You know, I mentioned earlier to Neil in Handle on
Speaker 2: the news, I was going to be talking about chaos theory,
Speaker 2: and this is when I'm talking about it. When you
Speaker 2: have chaos at the border, when you have whatever you
Speaker 2: want to call it, chaos at the border, an unprecedented
Speaker 2: surge of migrants at the border. You can call it
Speaker 2: a locus of control theory, which sounds nice and academic,
Speaker 2: or it's chaos theory. And we know that this is
Speaker 2: legitimate because there's all kinds of survey data and research
Speaker 2: in the field of political science, and it's this. When
Speaker 2: people perceive that the process of immigration is under control
Speaker 2: and it's orderly and it's fair, they are far more
Speaker 2: into having immigration. But when they perceive that it's out
Speaker 2: of control and it's crazy and it's unfair. So having
Speaker 2: an uncommonly large surge of people at the border would
Speaker 2: be an example of that, people say, ah, I don't
Speaker 2: like it.
Speaker 1: In other words, there's.
Speaker 2: The issue of immigration, and then there's the issue of
Speaker 2: what's happening with immigration.
Speaker 1: Right now, and that's the chaos theory.
Speaker 2: If you view right now as being crazy and out
Speaker 2: of control, you're not going to be as into immigration.
Speaker 1: And that's what's happening.
Speaker 2: And public opinion changes all the time, and it does
Speaker 2: go back and forth, but really, pollsters and researchers have
Speaker 2: not seen opinion shift this much this fast. Ever, let's
Speaker 2: get some news from Amy King and then did you
Speaker 2: know that LA run the LA area runs the biggest
Speaker 2: jail system in this country, possibly in the world, and
Speaker 2: they're still considering building more jails.
Speaker 1: And this has been.
Speaker 2: The question in La Fraught from before it was officially
Speaker 2: a city building more jails.
Speaker 1: We've been doing this forever.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what's going on right now and
Speaker 2: why and why it's important that someday, somehow they figure
Speaker 2: this out. This is the Bill Handle Show, and he
Speaker 2: is on a vacation. I'm Wayne Resnick, sitting in until nine.
Speaker 2: Coming up at eight o'clock we will have Joel Larscard,
Speaker 2: the host of How to Money here on KFI, with
Speaker 2: some great information this week about how to be smarter
Speaker 2: about the money that you have and also maybe get
Speaker 2: some more of that money. But right now we're following
Speaker 2: some stories for you. Obviously, Hurricane Milton is still the
Speaker 2: top story in this country.
Speaker 1: Amazing in a bad way.
Speaker 2: Devastation from this storm that hit the west coast of
Speaker 2: Florida as a Category three hurricane, moved across the state,
Speaker 2: causing devastation, knocking out power to over three million homes
Speaker 2: in businesses, killing at least four people.
Speaker 1: And there probably will be more. It has left land.
Speaker 2: It is going north northeast across the Atlantic Ocean now,
Speaker 2: and the work of determining the extent of the damage
Speaker 2: and starting the slow process of recovery can begin. In
Speaker 2: the meantime, the Social Security Administration has announced that millions
Speaker 2: of people will get a two and a half percent
Speaker 2: cost of living increase to their monthly checks starting next year.
Speaker 2: It will average around fifty dollars a month for the
Speaker 2: people who get Social Security benefits. Let's talk about jails.
Speaker 2: LA has a long history of building jails. La County
Speaker 2: has a long history of building jails and then wondering
Speaker 2: what to do with these jails as they fall apart,
Speaker 2: and wondering when and how to build more jails. It's
Speaker 2: a big part apparently, of running the Southland is having jails.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go through the whole history of
Speaker 2: jails in La except to quickly say it goes back
Speaker 2: to way before La was La. They were taking over
Speaker 2: buildings and using them as jails, and continued and continued
Speaker 2: and continued. But I will kind of pick it up
Speaker 2: mid sixty they really said we got to have.
Speaker 1: We need like a real modern jail.
Speaker 2: And so in the sixties, of course, the Men's Central
Speaker 2: jail was built, and it was intended to hold I
Speaker 2: think thirty three one hundred people, and back at the time, okay,
Speaker 2: this is like the mid sixties, and the La Times said,
Speaker 2: this looks like some science fiction future stuff, this building.
Speaker 2: But it started falling apart, and you know what, it
Speaker 2: did not last that long in excellent condition. I don't
Speaker 2: know if that's because they built it crappily, because it
Speaker 2: was only maybe ten years later that people were already
Speaker 2: complaining about how it was falling apart.
Speaker 1: And came a series of federal.
Speaker 2: Lawsuits about the condition at the Men's Central Jail, and
Speaker 2: there was a class action lawsuit and the inmates won,
Speaker 2: and a judge, a federal judge that said, the jail
Speaker 2: is on it's so bad, it's unconstant, and you're gonna
Speaker 2: have to do some things. You're gonna have to give
Speaker 2: everybody their own bunk. You can't have people sleeping on
Speaker 2: the floor. You have to let the prisoners outside for
Speaker 2: an hour a day instead of two and a half
Speaker 2: hours a week. Other stuff, bad, bad, bad, And the
Speaker 2: county didn't do all of those things, at least not consistently.
Speaker 2: In fact, in some cases the situation got worse. So
Speaker 2: they built another jail, the Twin Towers, which is downtown,
Speaker 2: also sort of modern looking, three hundred and seventy three
Speaker 2: million dollars, and then it sat there empty because they
Speaker 2: spent three hundred and seventy three million dollars to build
Speaker 2: the Twin Towers jail, and then they had no money
Speaker 2: for operating it. At one time there were over twenty
Speaker 2: three thousand people living in jails in La County. So
Speaker 2: now fast forward to today. That case is still going on.
Speaker 1: You know the case I told you about.
Speaker 2: Where the judge said it's all on constitutionally, you got
Speaker 2: to get your act together. That case it's still going on.
Speaker 2: Judge Gray is no longer around, so it's a different
Speaker 2: judge who is overseeing the matter. And his name is
Speaker 2: Dean Pragerson. And I only say that because I did
Speaker 2: work very closely with him when I was with the Feds.
Speaker 2: And some judges are real jerks. They are, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: Some federal judges are jerks. Some federal judges are dumbasses.
Speaker 2: He was neither of those. He's a good guy and
Speaker 2: a good judge, and he's got this case now that's
Speaker 2: been going on for literally decades where there's still big
Speaker 2: problems with the men's central jail and now the county.
Speaker 2: Do you remember when they were gonna build they were
Speaker 2: gonna replace the central jail. They were gonna spend almost
Speaker 2: two billion dollars.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that.
Speaker 2: It was like, I don't know, five years ago they
Speaker 2: were talking about this, and I don't know they said.
Speaker 2: At some point they decided we're not gonna do it.
Speaker 1: Now. Here's why this is important.
Speaker 2: You must have enough proper humane jail space. You have
Speaker 2: to have it or you are failing the community. You
Speaker 2: don't necessarily have to fill it up. This is not
Speaker 2: a discussion about should we send more people or fewer
Speaker 2: people to jail.
Speaker 1: That's a separate thing. What I'm saying is.
Speaker 2: When you send someone to jail, it better be constitutional.
Speaker 2: And here's why, because if it's not, then you get
Speaker 2: what has already happened in California because of the same
Speaker 2: problem with the state prisons. You get federal lawsuits, you
Speaker 2: get judges declaring unconstitutionality, you get judges appointing receivers to
Speaker 2: oversee the prison system, and then you get, in the
Speaker 2: case of the state, you get an order to reduce
Speaker 2: the population, which is what happened to the State of California.
Speaker 2: And the State of California appealed this all the way
Speaker 2: to the Supreme Court of the United States, saying, you
Speaker 2: can't order us to reduce our prison population, and the
Speaker 2: Supreme Court of the United States said, yes they can.
Speaker 2: And that's why you got realignment where people were sent
Speaker 2: to county jails instead of state prisons and therefore got
Speaker 2: out a lot earlier. That is why you got prof.
Speaker 2: Forty seven. That's why you got those things. You didn't
Speaker 2: really get those things just because of progressive prosit secutors
Speaker 2: and the like. You got those things because there was
Speaker 2: no choice but to reduce the population in the jails
Speaker 2: and prisons. Now, maybe we are sending too many people
Speaker 2: to jail in prison, but what I'm saying is you
Speaker 2: must have adequate jail space in any kind of community,
Speaker 2: or else you get the kind of chaos that we've seen.
Speaker 2: And no lessons have been learned at the state level
Speaker 2: or at the LA county level, No lessons have been
Speaker 2: learned at all. It's the Bill Handles show Bill on vacation,
Speaker 2: Wayne Wesnick sitting in until nine o'clock. Top stories We're
Speaker 2: watching for you at KFI. More than three million homes
Speaker 2: and businesses without power after Hurricane Milton made landfall hit
Speaker 2: the West coast as a Category three hurricane moved across
Speaker 2: the state, destroying a lot of stuff and causing tornadoes
Speaker 2: to touch down. Four people confirm dead from those tornadoes.
Speaker 2: Milton has now moved off the East coast, is over
Speaker 2: the Atlantic. It's now a Category one hurricane and off
Speaker 2: it goes. And they are already looking at a couple
Speaker 2: of other One is a potential storm that they're describing
Speaker 2: now as a disturbance that could develop into a storm.
Speaker 2: And there is also a hurricane. There's some hurricane going
Speaker 2: around in the Atlantic, but right now nobody thinks it's
Speaker 2: gonna come anywhere near anything. So we're not done with
Speaker 2: hurricane season unfortunately. Also, Honda has recalled like one point
Speaker 2: six one point seven million cars because of some problem
Speaker 2: with the steering that could make it hard to steer
Speaker 2: the car, which I think we can all agree. If
Speaker 2: it's too hard to steer the car harder than it's
Speaker 2: supposed to be, that could be dangerous. So this was
Speaker 2: a excuse me, a recall that was ordered by the
Speaker 2: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. It's something in the gearbox assembly,
Speaker 2: maybe even made wrong, and you will get noticed if
Speaker 2: you have one of these cars, but their model year
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two to twenty twenty five and involve some
Speaker 2: Acura Integras, Honda Civics, Honda crvs, and Honda hr vs.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if you love the death penalty
Speaker 2: or you hate the death penalty. I don't know where
Speaker 2: you stand on it, but I'm hoping maybe by the
Speaker 2: end of this segment will agree on at least one thing.
Speaker 1: About the death penalty.
Speaker 2: This has to do with a case that's in front
Speaker 2: of the Supreme Court and they had oral argument yesterday
Speaker 2: and the defendant is a death row inmate named Richard
Speaker 2: Glossip who was convicted of murder.
Speaker 1: But there are some problems with the case.
Speaker 2: Now. In any death penalty case, as you know, defense
Speaker 2: attorneys will come up with all kinds of things to
Speaker 2: stop the execution, which they did in this case to
Speaker 2: you know, challenging the method of execution itself as being unconstitutional,
Speaker 2: which Richard Gossip was part of that litigation, and the
Speaker 2: Supreme Court heard his case with regard to that and said, no,
Speaker 2: you really can't challenge the method of execution as being
Speaker 2: cruel and unusual punishment. Sorry, so that was one thing
Speaker 2: that was tried and then he went back down. But
Speaker 2: now they're up in front of the screen court on
Speaker 2: a completely different issue, and it really is different.
Speaker 1: Here's what everybody agrees happened. There is a.
Speaker 2: Guy who worked at a motel named Von Trees, and
Speaker 2: everybody agrees that a guy named Justin Snead beat mister
Speaker 2: Von Trees to death with a baseball bat. Justin Snead said, yeah,
Speaker 2: I did that, But here's what happened. He made a
Speaker 2: deal to avoid the death penalty. The guy who actually
Speaker 2: beat another man to death made a deal to avoid
Speaker 2: the death penalty by pointing the finger at Richard Glossip
Speaker 2: as being the man who arranged it and asked him
Speaker 2: to do it. And so Richard Gossip was convicted and
Speaker 2: was given the death penalty for arranging and causing and
Speaker 2: procuring the murder of mister Ventrees. Now here's the problem.
Speaker 2: Mister Justin Snead, who has admitted that he beat a
Speaker 2: man to death with a baseball bat, also has some
Speaker 2: pretty serious mental health issues bipolar disorder. He had been
Speaker 2: prescribed lithium, and this was not disclosed at the trial. Now,
Speaker 2: I am not saying that the fact that somebody has
Speaker 2: bipolar disorder somehow automatically means anything, but it is something
Speaker 2: that you need to tell the other side if you
Speaker 2: have your star witness who is basically your only evidence,
Speaker 2: and they didn't they didn't disclose it. Now here's an
Speaker 2: even bigger problem. Bigger problem is sneed lied on the stand. Now,
Speaker 2: if you knew that he was lying, would that affect
Speaker 2: your determination of how much you should believe him about
Speaker 2: other things?
Speaker 1: Probably?
Speaker 2: So this is what's up in front of the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2: Mister Glossip wants his case vacated. I don't know if
Speaker 2: that's necessary. It's not the only option. They could simply
Speaker 2: send the case back down to the lower court to
Speaker 2: decide what to do in light of the lying on
Speaker 2: the stand and the undisclosed mental health diagnosis. I mean,
Speaker 2: even just as Kavanaugh said that this star witness who
Speaker 2: is the reason Gossip is convicted and on death row,
Speaker 2: was exposed as a liar. Now here's the really interesting twist,
Speaker 2: Because it's not going to surprise you that Richard Glossop's
Speaker 2: attorneys are fighting this case and want it thrown out.
Speaker 2: That's not surprising, it's not almost not even worth mentioning.
Speaker 2: But the Attorney General of Oklahoma, who is a Republican
Speaker 2: Kentner Drummond, he is on the side of mister Glossip
Speaker 2: that at a minimum, he doesn't want the case completely
Speaker 2: vacated and gone forever. He agrees the execution should be
Speaker 2: put on hold and the case should be revisited. The
Speaker 2: Attorney General of Oklahoma, who I promise you, is no
Speaker 2: George Gascone at all. He's on the same side as
Speaker 2: the defense attorneys. You may ask yourself Welvin who's trying
Speaker 2: to kill him? The Supreme Court had to appoint an
Speaker 2: attorney to argue against his defense attorneys and the Attorney
Speaker 2: General of Oklahoma in order so that the case could
Speaker 2: be heard. So what I'm saying to you is this
Speaker 2: is the part I would hope everybody can agree on
Speaker 2: that when you have something like this, when you have
Speaker 2: a case that's based on the testimony of a witness
Speaker 2: who himself was the murderer, and when it comes out
Speaker 2: that he lied under oath on the stand, that at
Speaker 2: least you should not kill the guy.
Speaker 1: Yet maybe you kill him later but not now.
Speaker 2: And it'll be interesting to see what the Supreme Court
Speaker 2: says about it. My guess is Clarence Thomas will say, hey,
Speaker 2: there's no problem here, kill him.
Speaker 1: But I think your your Kavanaughs, your Amy.
Speaker 2: Cony Barrett's might think it's worth another look at least,
Speaker 2: because it's really true about the death penalty. You know,
Speaker 2: if you put somebody in prison for life, you can
Speaker 2: always let him out. Now they've lost all those years,
Speaker 2: but you can let them out if you execute somebody,
Speaker 2: there's no do over.
Speaker 1: Mulligan. That's it. We'll get some news.
Speaker 2: From Amy King, and then Joel lars Guard will join
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