WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.040 All right, you do realize now at this point we're 2 00:00:03.160 --> 00:00:06.040 thirty minutes into the show, and if you count cross talk, 3 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:08.359 the two bumps that I've heard so far are popa 4 00:00:08.519 --> 00:00:13.439 Roach and now Pitbull. I've got four hours ahead of 5 00:00:13.480 --> 00:00:16.160 me to do. What are you setting me up to fail? 6 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:21.679 I claim no responsibility for the popa roachs thing, and 7 00:00:21.800 --> 00:00:23.440 Zach Harper can take responsibility for. 8 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:24.120 This one so well. 9 00:00:24.199 --> 00:00:26.559 I know Zach's on the show, so I mentally and 10 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:29.120 emotionally prepared myself for the worst bump that we play 11 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:31.600 all week. But on the heels of the popa Roach, 12 00:00:31.679 --> 00:00:34.039 I just the compound interest isn't sitting well? 13 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:36.000 Zach? Happy Wednesday? How are you? 14 00:00:37.280 --> 00:00:39.640 I'm great? Can you just do me one favor when 15 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:40.399 it comes to the stuff? 16 00:00:40.399 --> 00:00:41.479 Okay, all right, what is it? 17 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:43.640 Don't stop the party? 18 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:46.280 Okay, alright, that's enough. That's enough. 19 00:00:47.359 --> 00:00:50.119 But Zak, I want to start our interview today with 20 00:00:50.159 --> 00:00:52.759 some really good news and I want to see if 21 00:00:52.799 --> 00:00:57.520 you are interested in joining the ESPN seven one hundred 22 00:00:57.560 --> 00:01:00.479 high excuse me. The ESPN seven hundred side us has 23 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:03.840 been created because our midday host is a guy named 24 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:07.319 Sean O'Connell, and I think guys like you and I. 25 00:01:07.359 --> 00:01:09.159 We've been waiting for a guy like Sean to help 26 00:01:09.239 --> 00:01:12.040 us launch our business. Sean is a former college football 27 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:15.640 player and he's also a championship MMA fighter. He want 28 00:01:15.640 --> 00:01:18.439 a belt and a million dollars, and he's agreed to 29 00:01:18.560 --> 00:01:22.280 use these things, these things that he's accomplished as part 30 00:01:22.359 --> 00:01:26.079 of our platform to join the MANI sphere to help 31 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:28.959 young men become better men. Does that make sense? 32 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:35.879 Yeah? Well, I mean that feels like that feels like 33 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:37.359 that could go a lot of different directions. 34 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:40.599 Well, ultimately, if we're if we're doing this as a society, 35 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:42.640 then we need a piece of it. Okay, we need 36 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:44.760 a piece of it. We've got to jump on the trainer, 37 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:48.159 get off board. So things, you know, like really good 38 00:01:48.239 --> 00:01:51.560 solid advice, because Sean's pedigree will allow us to attract 39 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:53.599 a legion of young men when we can tell them 40 00:01:53.640 --> 00:02:01.359 to take cold plunges, drink black coffee, live with gratitude. Yeah, 41 00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:03.879 maximize your potential. I don't know, I just wanted to 42 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:06.120 kind of spitball some other pieces of advice we could 43 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:07.120 use on our new platform. 44 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:12.080 Yeah. I wonder if here's something that I've been trying 45 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:13.840 to get off the ground for a little bit. As 46 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:17.520 I've noticed this shift to the internet, could everyone just 47 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:22.919 be bleeping normal for once? Could we try that as 48 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:26.560 a society. Could we just chill out and just try 49 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:30.919 to relax and get through life? Or is that too much? 50 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:33.280 Do we just have to be extreme in everything we do? 51 00:02:33.400 --> 00:02:33.560 Now? 52 00:02:33.759 --> 00:02:40.280 Oh a, ready, that would be my coaching is just relax. 53 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:43.599 This whole idea that ooh, life's a movie. I have 54 00:02:43.719 --> 00:02:47.680 main character energy all that stuff. No, you're an accountant, 55 00:02:48.039 --> 00:02:52.599 you're a you're like a business owner, you're a basketball writer. 56 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:56.680 None of this is a movie. Just get through life 57 00:02:56.759 --> 00:03:00.479 and let's enjoy basketball, or enjoy whatever our vices are 58 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:01.240 within reason. 59 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:02.800 Somebody hasn't been red pilled? 60 00:03:04.039 --> 00:03:06.560 I don't Is that? Is that? Tyler All? I don't 61 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:08.360 know what the red pill is, but I yeah, I 62 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:10.240 don't take a lot of you know, painkillers. 63 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:13.319 You had to have seen this stuff floating around where 64 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:16.240 it's you know, it's it's the alpha bros teaching all 65 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:18.680 these young men how they can maximize their potential. 66 00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:20.479 I just figured you'd want a piece of the Pies Act. 67 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:20.840 That's all. 68 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:24.599 I always I try to live by this rule, right, 69 00:03:25.159 --> 00:03:27.560 because there are people who want to like want you 70 00:03:27.639 --> 00:03:29.520 to know that they're smart, or want you to know 71 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:31.599 that they're funny, or want you to know they're alpha's 72 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:35.080 and all this stuff. And I feel like the people 73 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:39.120 who actually are those things never have to tell anybody. 74 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:41.840 So just one follow up, It sounds to me that 75 00:03:41.919 --> 00:03:44.960 you have no interest in defying the cultural elite that 76 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:46.000 has destroyed your life. 77 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:46.840 You have no interest. 78 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:51.120 That is a sequence of words that I do not 79 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:55.039 understand them in that order. Okay, yeah, but like, yeah, 80 00:03:55.080 --> 00:03:56.520 maybe I don't know. Do I do I have to? 81 00:03:57.080 --> 00:03:59.520 Can I wear sweats? Beta? If I can wear sweats, 82 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:00.639 I'll do just about anything. 83 00:04:01.759 --> 00:04:02.479 All right, Zach. 84 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:06.759 We can move on because look, yesterday I woke up 85 00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:09.840 with an extra pep in my step and I realized 86 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:12.280 it was time for the NBA Cup. I mean, it's 87 00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:15.680 a big deal. Went down to the Delta Center. The 88 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:20.639 courts are cool. Yeah, I guess, like, what's I don't know, 89 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:23.560 what's the level of exciting here Now that the NBA 90 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:24.279 Cup is back. 91 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:27.639 The courts are better than they were last year. There's 92 00:04:27.639 --> 00:04:29.399 not that weird runway. I don't know if you saw 93 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:31.480 any of the any of the games that had non 94 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:33.839 great courts but the Blue ones and the Green ones 95 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:37.839 are crazy. They look insane on TV. The Great ones 96 00:04:37.879 --> 00:04:42.399 like we're fine, those are fine. But yeah, I'm in, 97 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:44.879 Like I've throw myself into this NBA Cup. I'm I'm 98 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:49.600 super into it. I'm I'm here to like celebrate it. 99 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:52.240 I'm here to trying to make it more of a thing, 100 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:55.480 because I do I do believe it breaks up, you know, 101 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:58.879 kind of the monotony of the of the first half 102 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:01.480 of the season, and and maybe you shouldn't have that 103 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:03.759 in the first half of the season, but it's funny, 104 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:06.040 like I, you know, we I see all these people 105 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:09.199 and look, if I'm about to offend anybody, get over it. 106 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:14.680 I think anyone discussing awards at this point is just 107 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:17.839 out of ideas. Like it's just out of ideas, right, 108 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:20.560 Like we're not even at Thanksgiving. People like what is 109 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:22.560 this person higher on your MVP ladders? Like I don't 110 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:25.240 have an MVP ladder, Like it's it's November, Like that 111 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:28.959 doesn't exist to me until maybe mid January. And so 112 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:31.879 I feel like once we get fast, you know, past 113 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:34.279 the first couple of weeks of the season, and it's like, 114 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:36.040 all right, I think this team's good or right that 115 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:38.959 team hasn't lost yet, This is good. I think we 116 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:41.560 then get into just like all right, well, it's gonna 117 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:43.040 be a while until Christmas, and it's gonna be a 118 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:44.879 while until the trade deadline. I think this breaks this 119 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:47.519 up perfectly. I don't know that everyone is bought in 120 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:50.800 who's playing in it yet, but I do. I like it, 121 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:51.879 like I'm in on this. 122 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:55.399 Well, it's certainly and I've always liked this about about 123 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:58.720 pro basketball. And sometimes they don't get a ride, sometimes 124 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:01.079 they do, but at least they'll try new things, you know, 125 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:03.079 And that's one of the things I've always liked about 126 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:06.439 the NBA. And I think Adam Silver is a forward thinking, 127 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:09.439 front facing commissioner in a way that David Start maybe wasn't. 128 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:13.240 And we could debate, you know, which approach is better, 129 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:15.240 but I wanted to get from you, like, when you 130 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:18.279 talk to people around the league, is there buy in 131 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:21.079 with this, players, coaches, teams or is it still kind 132 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:23.199 of like this weird new thing that people are trying 133 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:24.199 to put their arms around. 134 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:27.360 Yeah. I don't think it's universally bought in yet. From 135 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:28.959 what I can see, I think there's some people that 136 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:30.519 are like, yes, this is great, and there's some people 137 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:34.519 like this just feels like another game on a court. 138 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:37.759 I think once you get into this position of the 139 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:41.079 teams who do advance to the single elimination tournament portion 140 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:42.920 of it, I think that's when it takes off. I mean, 141 00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:44.959 that's when people are bought in because they're like, Okay, 142 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:48.959 trip to Vegas, extra money, all this stuff. But until 143 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:51.959 that happens, I still think the group play is a 144 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:54.480 foreign concept to a lot of the people participating. 145 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:58.600 So went down to the game last night, and you know, 146 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:01.720 the Suns were without Kevin Durant, which didn't matter at all. 147 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:05.040 Really wasn't all that uncomfortable. Booker got going in the fourth, 148 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:08.360 and obviously he's a tough cover. Grayson Allen hit like 149 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:11.360 three straight threes in one point. Phoenix rolls the Jazz 150 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:14.480 one twelve, or excuse me, one twenty to one twelve. 151 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:16.079 The building continues to be full. 152 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:18.879 I don't have anything interesting really to ask you about 153 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:21.439 the Jazz outside of as will continue to kind of 154 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:23.839 try to understand whether or not these young players are 155 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:27.480 coming along for the ride. And one of the undeniable 156 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:31.240 bride spots has been Kyle Philipowski. You know, after Taylor 157 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:34.240 Hendrix went down, it opened up about thirty minutes or so, 158 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:37.600 and for the most part, Will has elected to go 159 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:41.079 with younger players. Now, not every single game, like John 160 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:43.279 Collins played thirty four minutes. If you want to know 161 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:45.160 where we're at, John Collins has probably been the best 162 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:46.160 player on the team this year. 163 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:48.199 That sentence is kind of all you need to know. 164 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:53.920 But Philipowski eighteen points, six boards, a couple assists, two blocks, 165 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:55.560 And I had a really good seat, so I was 166 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:58.480 watching him pretty closely. He matches up with the physicality 167 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:02.639 certainly in NBA basketball, I mean, you know, the late 168 00:08:02.720 --> 00:08:05.399 pick certainly. Is there a chance maybe they found diamond 169 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:08.199 in the rough year with Kyle Philipowski playing well early on? 170 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:11.839 Yeah, maybe I'm trying to like not have any any 171 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:15.399 bias in this because I just going into the draft. 172 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:17.959 I thought last year at Duke he was terrible, Like 173 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:20.120 I really did, Like I just was, this is not 174 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:23.839 the prospect we thought he was going to be. And yeah, 175 00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:25.800 I thought he underperformed. I thought he played soft. I 176 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:27.920 thought he wasn't prepared to be a you know, a 177 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:31.959 big man in the NBA. And I'll admit, like I've 178 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:33.720 been impressed, Like, I didn't think he would play this 179 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:36.399 well over the last week or so. And I do 180 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:39.600 think there's something there. I think maybe last you know, 181 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:44.240 last season at Duke aside, I do think maybe we 182 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:45.799 should look at the whole of like, all right, he 183 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:49.200 was pretty highly regarded in in high school and and 184 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:52.320 you know, first moments at Duke like looked pretty good. 185 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:55.919 And last year, you know, really really struggled it just 186 00:08:55.960 --> 00:08:58.679 in terms of looking like he was progressing. But you 187 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:00.600 get him in the NBA system them, you get on 188 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:03.679 with his Jazz coaching staff, and yeah, I can't deny 189 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:07.240 that he's looked really good. I'm still not buying it, 190 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:10.440 just because I want to see more. It's such a 191 00:09:10.440 --> 00:09:13.519 small sample size, but it's been at least for someone 192 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:16.159 who didn't think much of the pick at the time, 193 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:18.399 like I, it's very encouraging so far. 194 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:22.639 So look, I just there's nothing. There's nothing to talk 195 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:25.679 about with the Jazz. I can't in good faith continue 196 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:26.080 to ask you. 197 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:30.039 About Cooper flag Well, you know this is it's a. 198 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:32.519 Long way of me getting exactly to where you just landed. 199 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:35.559 I could keep asking you why Kiante can't make shots 200 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:38.279 because he continues to shoot horribly for the most part. 201 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:39.399 He'll have a good game here there. 202 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:42.679 But so you know, we keep talking about Cooper Flag, 203 00:09:42.759 --> 00:09:45.120 and we keep talking about the potential of maybe that 204 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:47.840 actually happening and Lady Luck shining on Salt Lake in 205 00:09:47.840 --> 00:09:50.960 a way that it never has And there's no guarantee here. 206 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:54.120 There's no guarantee ever. I mean, ask Detroit, Atlanta. I 207 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:55.919 think had the ten thoughts, they move up to one. 208 00:09:56.519 --> 00:09:59.720 So the underlying fear here is a fan base who 209 00:09:59.759 --> 00:10:02.679 has been spoiled, never have had a championship. But usually 210 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:05.639 the rebuild here goes two years, maybe three, and then 211 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:07.480 they're kind of back to going in the right direction. 212 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:10.879 They're really bad, and seeing it up close last night, 213 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:13.360 I'm like, dude, this is It's going to be such 214 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:13.919 a long year. 215 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:16.720 And the permeating fear is they go through this. 216 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:19.120 And then the ping pong balls pop up and it's 217 00:10:19.159 --> 00:10:22.279 like seven or eight, right, But if it is one, 218 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:25.559 and if it is Cooper Flag, what are you hearing 219 00:10:25.679 --> 00:10:28.600 from scouts who actually know exactly who they think this 220 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:30.720 kid could be should he land and saw Lake? What 221 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:33.879 sort of player fully baked will Cooper Flag make in 222 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:34.360 the NBA? 223 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:38.320 I mean, look, I don't think I don't think we're 224 00:10:38.360 --> 00:10:42.080 looking at like a Zion situation, right, Like, I don't 225 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:45.759 think you're looking at a dominant player in the traditional 226 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:48.600 sense of like get that guy the ball thirty forty 227 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:51.159 times a game, get out of the way. I don't like, 228 00:10:51.240 --> 00:10:53.360 maybe his game gets to that, but I think we 229 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:57.200 saw the good and the bad of Cooper Flag last 230 00:10:57.240 --> 00:10:59.000 night in that Yeah, there were times where he was 231 00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:01.919 just completely overwhelmed, and then you get to end a 232 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:04.879 game situations like hey, Cooper, go create and like, yeah, 233 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:09.159 his handle's weak, his jump shot form is not clean, right, Like, 234 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:11.679 there's there's a lot to clean up within his game. 235 00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:14.480 But defensively, he's a monster. I Mean I've kind of been, 236 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:17.720 you know, discussing this with people, and I've come to 237 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:20.960 the conclusion of I think he's you know, white Shawn 238 00:11:21.039 --> 00:11:24.240 Marian with more of a kN act for scoring, right, 239 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:26.000 and and people are like, oh, but that's still a 240 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:27.879 really good play. Like, yeah, I'm not saying he could 241 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:29.159 be a bus I just don't think he's going to 242 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:31.879 be as of what we've seen so far. I don't 243 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:35.639 think he is this like absolute number one on a 244 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:38.799 championship team, Like, you see that progression, you see all that, 245 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:42.120 and I'm not saying it can't it can't get there. 246 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:44.960 Like he can develop a ton He's super talented, he's 247 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:48.000 super athletic, he's got great instincts for the game. There 248 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:50.679 are just certain ball skills that he doesn't have cleanly 249 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:52.720 that at the college level that I look at the 250 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:55.799 NBA level, I'm like, I if he can't, like he 251 00:11:55.840 --> 00:11:59.519 can't really cleanly dribble into a jump shot, what does 252 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:02.440 that look like? Like? Right, Like, what are you creating there? 253 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:04.919 The good news is that, all right, let's say they 254 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:07.720 don't get one, it's like five or six dudes. Right, 255 00:12:08.600 --> 00:12:11.960 there's a deep it's a deep pool for trying to 256 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:16.000 get a franchise guy. I'm actually got I'm gonna butcher. 257 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:19.519 His name, the big kid from the Sudan maluac or. 258 00:12:19.759 --> 00:12:22.000 I can't remember how to say his name, But to me, 259 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:24.120 I look at this and I'm like, all right, this 260 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:27.679 reminds me a little bit of twenty fourteen, where we 261 00:12:27.759 --> 00:12:30.399 had Andrew Wiggins, we had Jabari, we had Gordon, we 262 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:32.960 had Dante Exit, we had all these dudes, right, and 263 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:36.240 then Embiid, who was a highly regarded prospect, but still 264 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:39.759 very raw, ended up being the guy. And I'm not 265 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:42.399 saying he's gonna be Embiid, but it kind of reminds 266 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:44.039 me that I, like, you have all these guys like, yeah, 267 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:45.919 that guy's really good. This guy's really good at that. 268 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:48.200 But this guy's so raw and so big and so 269 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:51.159 athletic and still has skills. I wonder if he's gonna 270 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:52.200 end up being the best player. 271 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:53.759 Yeah, and Embiid was four. 272 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:56.000 I think I think he was a fourth pick if 273 00:12:56.039 --> 00:12:58.600 I remember that correctly, in that draft something like that, 274 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:01.840 and certainly ended up doing something like that. Yeah, So 275 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:04.519 let's expand the conversation because the fact of the matter is, 276 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:09.080 unless Cooper Flag is awesome day one next year, they're 277 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:12.519 still so far away, right, and so if you look 278 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:17.320 at their books, I mean, essentially after next year, Collins 279 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:19.879 breaking news, John Collins has a player option for twenty 280 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:20.440 seven milk. 281 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:24.759 He's gonna go ahead and snag that they've got. I 282 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:27.159 would love it. If he didn't, he'd be like, dude. 283 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:29.039 I had a I just had a baller year for 284 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:30.600 a team that won nine games. 285 00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:32.320 Okay, sign me to a long term deal. 286 00:13:32.679 --> 00:13:34.919 But my guess is he's snagging that they've got one 287 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:37.840 more year with Sexton, one more year with Clarkson. The 288 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:40.519 long term contracts are all the young guys. It's Hendrix, 289 00:13:40.559 --> 00:13:45.960 it's Williams, it's Keyante, it's you know, Philipowski, Walker Kessler, 290 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:47.120 since Isaiah Callier. 291 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:48.679 So they've got all their young players. 292 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:51.000 You want to throw Johnny Juzeng in there, fine, spot 293 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:55.039 up shooter money. All those guys are under contract for 294 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:57.399 at least the next four some five years, depending on 295 00:13:57.480 --> 00:14:00.279 options and such. So let's let's have fun here on 296 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:02.799 a Wednesday, because jazz fans are depressed, and say, Lady 297 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:05.840 Luck shines on the Jazz throw a Cooper flag next 298 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:08.360 to Lowry marked in who is the only long term 299 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:10.679 piece built in? And then you bring back all the 300 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:12.600 young pieces. You do the thing where you figure out 301 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:17.600 what you have. They're still probably not close. So how 302 00:14:17.639 --> 00:14:21.399 long do you think Generally speaking, jazz fans should expect 303 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:25.000 this team to continue to lose games intentionally to try 304 00:14:25.039 --> 00:14:28.080 to find talent. So at some point, yes, they are 305 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:30.600 ready to at least compete for a playoff spot. 306 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:31.960 How long do you think this is going to take? 307 00:14:32.759 --> 00:14:35.000 I mean, I think like from all accounts, like the 308 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:37.960 twenty twenty six draft might be loaded too, right, Like, yeah, 309 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:40.000 you've got the Boozer Twins, but I mean there's a 310 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:41.960 bunch of dudes in that class who look like they 311 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:45.080 could have real, real high potential, And so I think 312 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:49.120 the Jazz most likely will be really bad this year 313 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:51.360 going into this twenty twenty five draft. Right as we've seen, 314 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:53.519 I don't think there's some big turnaround happening, and then 315 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:55.679 I would expect them to be better next year, but 316 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:59.679 still very young and losing games and frustrating ways. Hopefully 317 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:01.919 I get blown out, But yeah, like I think it's 318 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:05.440 too I think it's you know, two more seasons counting 319 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:09.960 this season as one of those of what to expect. 320 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:12.799 But that's you know, you're like, you're right, like deaf 321 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:14.879 fans are spoiled in the sense of like they don't 322 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:17.200 really have down times, right, they have like a year 323 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:19.799 or two here and there, but they don't really have like, yeah, 324 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:23.039 you're probably looking at between the last two seasons where 325 00:15:23.039 --> 00:15:26.240 it was all right, this is fine, you know, there's 326 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:29.000 some talent here to this season and probably next season, 327 00:15:29.039 --> 00:15:32.799 going wow, these tickets are expensive for such a bad team, Like, yeah, 328 00:15:32.840 --> 00:15:35.639 you're probably going through that, but I would expect, you know, 329 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:39.279 right after the twenty twenty sixth summer, this team should 330 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:42.799 be primed and ready to like really ascend, almost maybe 331 00:15:42.840 --> 00:15:45.279 in kind of what we've seen from Houston the last 332 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:45.960 year and a half. 333 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:51.279 Yeah, Scott Laden, Kevin O'Connor, and Dennis lindsay all masterfully 334 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:54.080 worked their way through a very quick space of a 335 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:56.759 rebuild to at least get you. And look, I was 336 00:15:56.840 --> 00:15:59.080 never a huge fan of the whole like Al Jefferson 337 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:02.559 situation where you know, you give him the ball for 338 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:04.320 forty eight minutes so he can get you, you know, 339 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:06.120 twenty six points and eighteen boards. 340 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:07.799 But that team was never gone anywhere. 341 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:10.960 But you know, Scott Layden, you know, and then Kevin 342 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:14.200 O'Connor and then Dennis lindsay was the one who decided 343 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:16.080 to break that team down. And the last time we 344 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:18.559 were kind of dealing with a team like we have 345 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:21.919 now is that twenty thirteen twenty fourteen year, which was 346 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:25.399 Ty Corbyn's final season and Dennis lindsay's first real season 347 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:28.279 taking over from Kevin O'Connor. And that year it was 348 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:30.080 kind of the same thing where they brought in some 349 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:33.919 overpriced vets just to make sure they're following the rules 350 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:37.279 to pay players guys like Andres Biedrin's and Marvin Williams, 351 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:40.399 Richard Jefferson at the end of his career, Brandon Rush. 352 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:43.279 But then you know, Trey Burke didn't work out. Alec 353 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:45.600 Burks had a he's still in the league. He's had 354 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:48.919 a good career. Derek Favors worked out, and his Freedom 355 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:51.120 excuse me, and his Canter now known as Ennis Freedom 356 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:54.360 was on the roster, never fully baked. Go Beart was 357 00:16:54.360 --> 00:16:56.399 a rookie. We know what happened there. Gordon Hayward of 358 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:58.720 course on that team, we know what happened there. So 359 00:16:58.879 --> 00:17:00.559 it was kind of like a similar thing. But within 360 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:04.160 a year or two, even losing Hayward, they draft Mitchell. 361 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:06.559 Go Bear kind of grows and suddenly they're back to 362 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:08.920 forty five fifty wins. And that took about two or 363 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:12.960 three years. So this is the first time Zach and 364 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:14.880 I've been around this team since the eighties, right, This 365 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:17.359 is the first time where I think in the past 366 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:19.079 we can look at this and say this has taken 367 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:21.759 two or three years. It's already been two. This is 368 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:24.839 year three. It's probably three more years. This is gonna 369 00:17:24.839 --> 00:17:26.759 be the first time. That'll be like a six seven 370 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:29.559 year old. Now, it happens in a lot of places, 371 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:32.960 so I'm not painting that will only happen here. But 372 00:17:33.079 --> 00:17:37.200 is that more of a indictment on the new leadership 373 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:39.440 or is it more of a commentary on how to 374 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:41.680 build a roster in the modern day NBA in Salt 375 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:42.200 Lake City? 376 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:44.640 Yeah, I don't. I don't think it's I don't think 377 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:47.200 it's commentary on the new leadership. I think they're doing 378 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:49.039 much like you know, we've talked about as a bunch 379 00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:51.240 of yeah, you should have sold out the year before, right, 380 00:17:51.319 --> 00:17:53.599 like you should have just bailed on any wins and 381 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:56.880 gone after Wemby. And you can make the argument of like, yeah, 382 00:17:56.880 --> 00:17:58.799 but look at Detroit and look at these teams where 383 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:00.319 they tried that and didn't work. It's like, yeah, but 384 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:03.480 look who sin Antonio tried it in it work, rightI 385 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:05.319 wasn't trying to win games the year before Wendy. They 386 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:07.519 knew like, all right, we got a fourteen percent chance 387 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:09.599 or whatever it is of this kid. That's good enough 388 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:12.759 for us. And so that's my only criticism of them, 389 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:14.799 is they let pride get in the way for that 390 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:17.440 one season. But I say, like they're doing smart things. 391 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:20.160 They acquire picks, they they're drafting, well, like they're not 392 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:23.559 drafting stars, but they're drafting guys. We'd be like, yeah, 393 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:25.440 that guy should be in the rotation for ten years, 394 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:30.160 twelve years, right, And so I think it's just part 395 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:32.880 of it is bad timing. And I know that's a 396 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:36.640 very unsatisfying, you know, answer for this stuff, because it 397 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:40.319 can't really be explained or fixed. But sometimes like you 398 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:42.440 just miss out on a trade, or you just miss 399 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:44.039 out on a draft pick, or you just miss out 400 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:47.599 on a lottery chance, and that's part of rebuilding. And 401 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:50.759