WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.639 --> 00:00:11.039 You are now listening to True Murder, The most shocking 2 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:14.160 killers in true crime history and the authors that have 3 00:00:14.240 --> 00:00:21.519 written about them Gasey, Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker, DTK. Every 4 00:00:21.559 --> 00:00:25.280 week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 5 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.879 infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your host, 6 00:00:30.280 --> 00:00:32.719 journalist and author Dan Zupanski. 7 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:45.399 Kid evening at just twenty one years of age, friends 8 00:00:45.439 --> 00:00:51.000 Todd Wilson and Scott McCarthy were virtually inseparable. The pair 9 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:54.600 reported for duty at United Bank of Denver at six 10 00:00:54.679 --> 00:00:59.880 am on Father's Day nineteen ninety one, McCarthy's first day 11 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:04.319 on the job. They joined two more experienced guards and 12 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:09.359 began making their rounds. By nine thirty am, all four 13 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:14.519 were dead. The killer then descended upon the cash vault, 14 00:01:14.519 --> 00:01:19.480 where he held six petrified tellers at gunpoint before absconding 15 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:25.879 with nearly two hundred thousand dollars. Eighteen days later, the 16 00:01:25.879 --> 00:01:31.120 Denver Police Department arrested one of its own. Not only 17 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:34.719 had retired Sergeant James W. King served on the force 18 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:38.680 for twenty five years, he'd recently been a guard at 19 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:44.680 United Bank, often complaining about the abysmal security, including a 20 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:50.400 decision to disarm its guards, but would he slaughter four 21 00:01:50.439 --> 00:01:54.439 of his unarmed successors to prove his point and risk 22 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:59.760 a date with the execution chamber. Deadly Heist is the 23 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:04.400 uptivating story of one of Colorado's most notorious crimes, and 24 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:08.080 of a courtroom slugfest that would take a jury nine 25 00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:13.039 grueling days to resolve. It's verdict, delivered a year and 26 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:18.080 a day after the bloody massacre, reverberates across the Rocky 27 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:22.639 Mountains to this day. The book that we're featuring this 28 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:27.360 evening is Deadly Heist, The true story of the Mile 29 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:33.240 High Bank Massacre, with my special guest, attorney and author 30 00:02:33.919 --> 00:02:38.479 Stephen b Epstein. Welcome back to the program, and thank 31 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:43.520 you very much for this interview. Stephen b Epstein, pleasure 32 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:47.719 to be with you. Thank you so much. Tell us 33 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:51.439 first off, how you came to be interested in this story. 34 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:56.639 Well, I had written three true crime books about relationships, 35 00:02:56.759 --> 00:02:59.319 romantic relationships that were at the center of each story, 36 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:01.159 and I wanted to try and get outside of that 37 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:04.400 box a little bit, and I ultimately decided I want 38 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:07.120 to see if there was a bank heist that hadn't 39 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:11.680 been well covered in a book form. Previously, and I 40 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:13.960 did just a little bit of trolling on the Internet 41 00:03:14.439 --> 00:03:17.639 and somehow came across the story of the Father's Day 42 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:21.639 Bank massacre in Denver, Colorado, and instantly fell in love 43 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:24.000 with it. And did my research learn that although there 44 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:26.400 was a book that had been written about it, it 45 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:28.360 was written a very long time ago by one of 46 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:30.680 the lawyers involved in the case. It was written with 47 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:33.560 a slant, and I thought there was definitely room for 48 00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:37.159 an objective book about this case, particularly with things that 49 00:03:37.199 --> 00:03:39.560 we now know that maybe he didn't know back then, 50 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:41.800 and I decided to take a stab at writing it. 51 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:47.680 You take us to June sixteenth, Denver, Colorado, Father's Day, 52 00:03:48.439 --> 00:03:53.800 Father's Day morning, the cash Register building for the United Bank. 53 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:57.759 Tell us why it's called the cash Register Building. Tell 54 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:01.479 us a little bit about the United Bank in Denver. 55 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:03.960 Told us as you do in this introduction. 56 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:07.439 Sure, so, this story starts on June sixteenth, nineteen ninety one, 57 00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:10.000 Father's Day, and as of that time, the United Banks 58 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:14.280 of Colorado was the largest bank bank system bank company 59 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:18.800 in the state of Colorado. And the building that was 60 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:21.720 completed in nineteen eighty one in downtown Denver, that's fifty 61 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:25.480 two stories that bore its name. The United Bank building 62 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:29.560 became known as the Cash Registered Building because its upper 63 00:04:29.560 --> 00:04:33.720 floors curved together, kind of an architectural marvel in the 64 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:37.560 shape of an antique cash register. And even though there 65 00:04:37.560 --> 00:04:40.439 have been numerous other tenants in that building over all 66 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:44.040 these years, that moniker has stuck and that has been 67 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:47.639 the most iconic building in Denver Skyline since it was 68 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:49.120 completed over forty years ago. 69 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:55.639 You introduced two security guards, weekend security guards, Bill McCollum 70 00:04:55.759 --> 00:05:00.959 and Phil Mankov, and you'd tell us about their routine 71 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:05.360 day that morning, tell us what they were doing, where 72 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:07.639 they were and what happened. 73 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:10.639 So they parked in the parking deck that there's a 74 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:13.360 three building complex. Actually the Cash Register Building is the 75 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:15.879 most prominent of the three. But actually where these guys 76 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:19.360 worked in the guard monitor room was under Lincoln Street, 77 00:05:19.399 --> 00:05:22.680 which is the street that was between the Cash ridge 78 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:25.120 To building on one side and two smaller buildings that 79 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:27.800 were part of United Bank on the other side. So 80 00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:29.800 they went into the cash redge To building, went down 81 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:32.959 an elevator to what's called the Concourse level, and they 82 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:35.800 zigzagged their way through some hallways to begin their twelve 83 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:39.439 thirty am shift, which was the graveyard shift that lasted 84 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:42.240 a full twelve hours until twelve thirty pm. They were 85 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:44.720 supposed to get off at twelve thirty in the afternoon 86 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:48.439 On Father's Day. They were to man the monitor room 87 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:52.800 and also do routine guard rounds throughout the three building complex. 88 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:56.199 Phil Mankoff had been doing that for just about three 89 00:05:56.279 --> 00:05:59.120 months and Bill McCollum had been doing that for about 90 00:05:59.199 --> 00:06:01.759 eight months. He was the more experienced of the two. 91 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:04.639 He was forty one years old. I'm sorry, he was 92 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:07.000 thirty three years old, and Phil Mankoff was forty one 93 00:06:07.079 --> 00:06:11.079 years old. These were both they both had weekend jobs. 94 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:14.199 Their day jobs were very different. This was to make 95 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:17.000 additional money on the weekends. They were paid all of 96 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:20.399 five dollars and forty two cents an hour, and importantly, 97 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:24.120 they weren't armed because a new policy had gone into 98 00:06:24.199 --> 00:06:27.720 effect just a few months before that prevented any of 99 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:31.160 the guards for United Banks throughout their whole system from 100 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:32.680 carrying firearms. 101 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:36.600 Now you say they usually worked alone till the next 102 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:41.000 shift of guards arrived at twelve thirty pm, but often 103 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:44.120 they would have to train a newly hired guard during 104 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:47.560 a swing shift. Tell us about twenty one year old 105 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:48.279 Todd Wilson. 106 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:52.399 Okay, So, Todd Wilson had previously worked in United Banks 107 00:06:52.480 --> 00:06:56.839 credit card fraud department, but that was actually wiped out 108 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:59.800 as part of a merger with a bigger bank called 109 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:03.639 or West that had literally just completed the merger with 110 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:08.000 the United Banks in April of nineteen ninety one, and 111 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:10.480 he needed another gig, and so he was offered a 112 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:13.279 position as a security guard. He was a Metro State 113 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:16.600 College student. He was legally blind. He had a very 114 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:19.680 difficult time seeing because of a condition he was born with. 115 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:23.199 He was going to Metro State College and he was 116 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:26.399 best friends with a guy named Scott McCarthy who went 117 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:29.000 to a different high school across town. They became friends 118 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:32.920 as dishwashers when they were in high school, and Scott 119 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:36.480 McCarthy actually was coming to work on the swing shift 120 00:07:36.879 --> 00:07:40.399 with Todd Wilson on his very first day of training. 121 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:43.000 He didn't even have a uniform yet. Todd Wilson came 122 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:45.920 to work at six am with his uniform and Scott 123 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:48.600 McCarthy came to work in street clothes and cowboy boots. 124 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:53.519 Now you're right that there was another collection of employees 125 00:07:53.560 --> 00:07:57.040 at the bank on Sunday that were called armored tellers 126 00:07:57.079 --> 00:07:59.759 who worked in the cash vault just down the hall 127 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:02.879 from the guard monitor room. That's correct. 128 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:05.480 There were six of them working that morning. Their job 129 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:08.839 on Sunday mornings was to basically collect the cash that 130 00:08:08.959 --> 00:08:13.199 was delivered by armored cars Wells Fargo and Limis that 131 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:15.720 came eight eight thirty in the morning, and then they 132 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:18.480 would Their job until two or so in the afternoon 133 00:08:19.120 --> 00:08:22.800 was to count the money to make short corresponded with 134 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:26.759 what the various bank customers were reporting on their reconciliation sheets. 135 00:08:27.079 --> 00:08:29.639 They were depositing in the bank, and they each had 136 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:33.600 their own little cubicles or teller booths and they would 137 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:35.919 count the money. There was a lot of money in 138 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:39.000 each of those stations that was being counted by those 139 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:42.919 six employees, led by an employee who was their supervisor 140 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:44.600 named David Baranco. 141 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:49.120 And you say people might not think that it would 142 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:51.840 anybody could rob a bank on Sunday, or why would they. 143 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:55.159 Between seven thirty and eight thirty and armored armored cars 144 00:08:55.159 --> 00:08:58.639 from Loomis and Wells Fargo would deliver an average approximately 145 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:02.240 one million dollars in cap that's correct. That's correct. 146 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:05.919 A lot of money got delivered that morning on Father's Day, 147 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:10.639 and it was scattered throughout these six color stations being counted. 148 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:14.320 When the events that begin the book commence. 149 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:19.039 Tell us what happens that morning when those guards are 150 00:09:19.159 --> 00:09:21.879 on their route through the building. 151 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:25.600 Okay, well, so at various points in time, you've got 152 00:09:25.759 --> 00:09:30.519 different combinations of the four security guards, the two older guards, 153 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:34.320 Phil Mancoff and Bill McCollum, and the two younger guards 154 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:37.679 the twenty one year old Scott McCarthy and Todd Wilson, 155 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:40.480 various combinations of them in the guard monitor room and 156 00:09:40.759 --> 00:09:43.840 doing rounds throughout the bank, and in particular, Phil Mancoff 157 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:48.519 took Scott McCarthy under his wings and was basically showing 158 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:51.120 them how to conduct rounds, how to use what was 159 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:54.919 called a Marquee card to swipe into various secure areas, 160 00:09:55.320 --> 00:09:57.879 how to use various keys, how to use the elevator, 161 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:02.120 and so forth. And so at nine fourteen that morning, 162 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:07.039 you had Bill McCollum and Phil Mancoff and Scott McCarthy 163 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:11.399 in the monitor room and the phone rings, and what 164 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:14.960 happens is man Coff takes the call and learns that 165 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:17.320 there is somebody at the freight elevator who says he's 166 00:10:17.320 --> 00:10:20.639 a vice president of the bank named Bob Bardwell, got 167 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:24.519 his marque card and he needed to be escorted into 168 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:28.240 the building. This was a fairly common occurrence happened fairly 169 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:31.679 routinely on almost every guard ship, where employees would forget 170 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:33.840 something they would need to get into the bank, and 171 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:36.840 they would be met at the freight elevator at street 172 00:10:36.919 --> 00:10:39.720 level by a guard who would then bring them down 173 00:10:39.759 --> 00:10:42.440 to where they needed to go. And so at that 174 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:46.879 point when he called, man Coff dispatched Bill McCollum to 175 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:50.120 go greet this vice president at the freight elevator. So 176 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:53.720 that's when the events begin that we're concerned about. At 177 00:10:53.799 --> 00:10:57.000 nine fourteen am. 178 00:10:57.399 --> 00:10:59.879 You write it on the screen in the monitor room, 179 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:03.240 there was an indication that alarm had gone off in 180 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:06.840 Stairwell CE, not far from the freight elevator. 181 00:11:06.879 --> 00:11:10.480 At nine to twenty, that's correct, And so that required 182 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:16.279 some investigation, and Mancoff was able to radio Todd Wilson, 183 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:18.519 who was making rounds, and directed him to go to 184 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:21.519 Stairwell C in order to check out what had caused 185 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:24.000 that alarm. 186 00:11:24.279 --> 00:11:26.639 Now you take us in nine twenty four and Phil 187 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:32.320 Mancoff and Scott McCarthy are sitting in the monitor room, 188 00:11:32.360 --> 00:11:36.240 but they're watching television or watching something on VHS tape. 189 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:41.440 That's correct. They're watching a sitcom or a drama from 190 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:44.279 TV that had been recorded on VHS tape on a 191 00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:48.080 very small TV in corner of the monitor room. They're 192 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:50.480 actually not even watching the monitors that they're supposed to 193 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:54.240 be watching, and they all of a sudden hear footsteps 194 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:57.200 behind them. Now at this point, two of the other 195 00:11:57.240 --> 00:12:00.600 two guards have been dispatched to perform various tasks, man 196 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:04.039 Coff to escort Bob Bardwell into the building and Todd 197 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:06.799 Wilson to check out the alarm and stairwell cease. And naturally, 198 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:09.600 if they're sitting there watching the show and they hear footsteps, 199 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:12.240 they're going to assume it was one of the two 200 00:12:12.279 --> 00:12:17.600 of them, But it wasn't. Instead, it was the man, 201 00:12:17.840 --> 00:12:21.639 whoever he was, who wreaked more havoc on the city 202 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:25.759 of Denver than had occurred in many decades, because what 203 00:12:25.879 --> 00:12:29.679 happened was he ordered man cough and McCarthy to get 204 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:33.600 up from their chairs, marched them into an adjacent room 205 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:36.799 called the battery room, had them get down on their knees, 206 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:39.759 hands behind their heads, and before they even knew what 207 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:44.200 was happening, pumped a revolver full of bullets into their 208 00:12:44.240 --> 00:12:46.360 heads and torsos, killing them instantly. 209 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:50.879 You're right that. Even worse is that Scott McCarthy wanted, 210 00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:53.120 always wanted to be a police officer, and this was 211 00:12:53.120 --> 00:12:54.759 his first day as a bank guard. 212 00:12:55.519 --> 00:12:58.279 Yes, he was also a newlywed. He in fact, Todd 213 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:00.159 Wilson had been the best man at his wedding the 214 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:03.080 prior August. He had been married to his wife for 215 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:06.679 less than a year. They were high school sweethearts. It's 216 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:10.399 as tragic in every way imaginable that on his very 217 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:14.120 first day he was gunned down and didn't have a 218 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:17.200 chance to even complete a single shift as a bank guard. 219 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:22.960 You're right that. Meanwhile, Todd Wilson is confused looking for 220 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:26.840 stairwell c. He's only fifteen days into his training, so 221 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:29.320 he decides to head back to the monitor room to 222 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:31.919 find a map to help him. What happens in the 223 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:33.799 monitor room. 224 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:36.559 Well, nobody's there, and he finds that surprising because even 225 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:38.799 though he's still fairly early in his training, he knows 226 00:13:38.840 --> 00:13:41.480 that that's a cardinal rule that the monitorom has to 227 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:44.519 be manned at all times. So he steps toward the 228 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:48.480 use shaped console that has all the monitors they're supposed 229 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:52.399 to be looking at, and at around nine twenty six, 230 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:54.960 within two minutes of when he entered the room, the 231 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:57.960 murderer comes up from behind him and we know from 232 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:00.799 where the bullets entered his body. He was shot in 233 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:02.559 the back and shot in the back of his head 234 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:05.480 and drops to the ground and he's dead too. 235 00:14:06.399 --> 00:14:09.600 Meanwhile, with the armored couriers gone, the tellers were at 236 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:13.720 their stations processing money checks and food stamps. This is 237 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:19.159 ninety eight tellers David Twist, Maria Christian with their boss, 238 00:14:19.279 --> 00:14:22.919 David Baranco, and they saw somebody walk by. What do 239 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:23.320 they do? 240 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:26.960 A blur of motion and Twist says to the other two, 241 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:30.720 did you see that? And Baranco says, see what he said. 242 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:33.639 There was a guy in a suit, well dressed guy, 243 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:36.279 And eventually they all spot him and he's walking in 244 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:39.600 the opposite direction and they start to head toward him. 245 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:43.440 They're wondering who they think. He's somebody associated with the bank, obviously, 246 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:46.000 and he's well dressed. And the next thing they know 247 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:48.240 the guy is starting to walk toward them, and he 248 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:52.600 pulls out a gun, and it's very clear they're being 249 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:55.720 held up. Those are three of the of the tellers. 250 00:14:55.720 --> 00:14:59.480 There are another three, and eventually five of them are 251 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:03.679 made to lie down on their stomachs and not look, 252 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:07.360 put their hands over their eyes. And then the robber, 253 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:10.639 the well dressed robber, by the way, he's in disguise. 254 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:15.080 He's wearing a fedora hat, he's wearing dark sunglasses, he 255 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:18.840 has a thick, bushy salt and pepper mustache, and he's 256 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:22.080 got a band aid over his left cheek. So it's 257 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:24.399 very hard to make heads or tails of him other 258 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:27.639 than he's white. He's about five eleven six feet, maybe 259 00:15:27.639 --> 00:15:30.039 about one hundred and eighty pounds, and that's all that 260 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:33.039 we really know about this guy. So he asks who's 261 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:37.240 the head cashier, and nobody answers, because that's not a 262 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:41.600 title that's actually used. Eventually, Bronco volunteers that he's in charge, 263 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:46.480 and the robber has him get up and starts taking 264 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:49.480 him around, has him get a black leather satchel and 265 00:15:49.559 --> 00:15:51.840 has him go from station to station, filling it up 266 00:15:51.879 --> 00:15:57.919 with strap bundles of five tens twenties and fifties to 267 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:01.080 start getting the money that he's there to rob them of. 268 00:16:01.639 --> 00:16:05.159 What he doesn't know, and in fact, what even Bronco 269 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:07.639 doesn't know, is that one of their number, a teller 270 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:11.960 named Nina McGuinty, never actually wound up with the group, 271 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:15.720 and she's hiding under her desk in her teller booth 272 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:20.399 behind a garbage can, shaking hysterically. And at the time 273 00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:25.240 that Baronco brings this intruder, this robber who at this 274 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:26.879 point they don't know is a murderer. By the way, 275 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:30.519 they have no idea he's killed anybody. He's literally his foots, 276 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:33.639 his feet are right up against Nina McGuinty, and Baronko's 277 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:36.320 trying to protect McGuinty because he spots her and does 278 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:40.279 that successfully. McGuinty stays under her desk the entire time 279 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:43.480 this happens. The intruder is there for about eight minutes. 280 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:46.720 He then locks the group, everybody except McGuinty, up in 281 00:16:46.759 --> 00:16:49.240 a man trap and they can't get out because it's 282 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:51.200 locked from the outside. There's no way to get out, 283 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:54.320 and he's gone. At nine fifty six, He's gone. Chapter 284 00:16:54.360 --> 00:16:57.200 one is entitled forty two minutes, because the whole thing 285 00:16:57.240 --> 00:16:59.759 starts at nine fourteen, and by nine fifty six we 286 00:16:59.840 --> 00:17:04.440 know from various security systems he's departed the cash vault, 287 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:05.839 never to be seen again. 288 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:09.119 Let's use this as an opportunity to stop to hear 289 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:14.559 these messages. Now you're write that a woman named Daniel Taylor, 290 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:18.000 associated with the bank, arrived at the bank shortly after 291 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:22.359 ten am, and she was a twelve year she had 292 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:26.359 been employed for about twelve years there investigations unit of 293 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:30.960 the Risk and Bank Security department. What does she find 294 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:33.119 when she gets to work, which is unusual. 295 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:36.759 Well, she usually her the Risk and Bank Security department 296 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:40.079 is literally right next to the guard monitor room, and 297 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:43.440 she usually goes to a door that she can buzz. 298 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:47.400 The guards just outside that back door to her department, 299 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:50.200 and they would buzz her in, but she kept on 300 00:17:50.240 --> 00:17:53.440 buzzing and there's nobody there, and that's never happened to 301 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:55.880 her before. I mean, there's supposed to be somebody in 302 00:17:55.880 --> 00:17:58.799 the monitor room at all times. Eventually she's able to 303 00:17:58.839 --> 00:18:00.960 make her way around to the other side of her 304 00:18:01.000 --> 00:18:03.720 department and the door there that's supposed to be locked 305 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:07.359 actually opens right up. So she's very suspicious of why 306 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:10.599 there's no guard, but she has work to do. She 307 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:12.119 wants to get out of there. It's the weekend. She 308 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:15.680 starts working until eventually somebody from what's called the proof 309 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:18.319 department comes up to her and says she's been trying 310 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:21.400 to get a guard to get her into the cash 311 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:24.519 vault so that she can get the checks because they're 312 00:18:24.559 --> 00:18:27.319 supposed to go over the checks that were delivered that morning. 313 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:31.880 And now Danielle Taylor is very, very suspicious because something's 314 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:34.920 clearly not right. Eventually, she winds up going to the 315 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:38.119 lobby of the Cash registered building, where there's a collection 316 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:41.640 of security guards associated with the building that have nothing 317 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:44.200 to do with the United Bank, and she said, have 318 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:47.480 you seen any of our guards recently? And they say no, 319 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:50.799 that they it was curious to them they haven't seen 320 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:52.960 them in a while because usually they pass by when 321 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:56.720 they're making their rounds. And it was about that point 322 00:18:56.799 --> 00:19:02.559 when the six' five i'm sorry hysterical tellers who'd broken 323 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:04.519 out of the man trap that they were locked up 324 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:07.880 in get to the lobby of the cash register building 325 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:12.000 and tell the guards there And Danelle taylor they'd just been. 326 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:16.359 Robbed Remember nina McGuinty is still back at the cash, 327 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:19.680 vault hiding under her desk the man trap that they escaped. 328 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:21.599 From there was no way for them to get back 329 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:23.880 into the cash, vault so they weren't able to rescue, 330 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:25.119 her and they had no idea if she was. 331 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:30.559 Okay very interesting you talk About Patricia western camp on 332 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:33.839 patrol police officer has a response to an all points 333 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:37.440 bulletin at ten fifty three possible robbery at The United 334 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:40.519 bank At, denver and you write that she scoffs at 335 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:42.720 the idea of a bank being robbed On. 336 00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:47.039 Sunday, yeah let me, see it seemed. Ludicrous it seemed 337 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:50.680 outlandish that somebody would come to a bank and hold 338 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:52.279 it up on a day that the bank wasn't. 339 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:53.279 Open by the. 340 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:56.480 Time she gets, there she learns as the first one to, 341 00:19:56.599 --> 00:20:00.680 arrive and shortly dozens More denver police officers learned that 342 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:04.039 it really, happened that the bank had been, robbed the 343 00:20:04.039 --> 00:20:08.119 intruder was at, large and they had no idea at 344 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:14.079 this point that security guards had been massacred viciously and 345 00:20:14.200 --> 00:20:16.319 were dead lying in pools of their own. 346 00:20:16.359 --> 00:20:22.559 Blood let's talk about that discovery of those guards and 347 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:27.839 then they discover, three but are looking For bill. McCollum that's. 348 00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:31.200 Correct so you have, McCollum who's the first one found 349 00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:33.839 because he's lying right there in the main space of 350 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:36.920 the monitor. Room Todd, Wilson i'm, Sorry Todd wilson is. 351 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:39.680 Found he's the first. One then they eventually get to 352 00:20:39.799 --> 00:20:44.440 the battery room where they see actually McCarthy draped over 353 00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:47.880 the body Of Phil. Mankoff so they've accounted for. Three 354 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:49.839 but they knew they had already been in touch with 355 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:53.599 the security people at the bank and knew that four 356 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:57.200 guards were on, duty and so basically in all, points 357 00:20:57.240 --> 00:21:00.400 bulletin goes out That bill McCollum is no to be, 358 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:05.279 found and they initially believed he was probably, complicit if 359 00:21:05.359 --> 00:21:08.119 not the arm. Bandit now the problem with that Was 360 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:12.920 bill McCollum Is African american and the reporting from the 361 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:16.680 cash vault was that the intruder was, white so that 362 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:19.400 didn't quite match. Up but still he was nowhere to be. 363 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:22.720 Found so they eventually literally dispatched a swat team to 364 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:26.039 his apartment clear across the other side Of, denver thinking 365 00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:29.200 that he was the bad, guy but eventually learned from 366 00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:32.559 what they found there that he probably, wasn't and it 367 00:21:32.599 --> 00:21:35.640 wasn't until five thirty that, evening as they were as 368 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:38.839 the swat team was going through all three buildings that 369 00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:43.880 they finally were able to locate, him also dead in 370 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:47.559 what was called the incinerator, room one level below where 371 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:50.680 the Guard Monitor room and the cash vault were. Located 372 00:21:50.680 --> 00:21:53.880 he was in the, corner shot in the head, bleat 373 00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:57.160 he had bled out and he was, Dead and it 374 00:21:57.200 --> 00:22:00.960 became clear fairly early on that when he was dispatched 375 00:22:01.079 --> 00:22:05.960 to the freight, elevator he was basically taken hostage by 376 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:09.839 the murderer and brought down the elevator all the way 377 00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:13.519 to the lower concourse, level marched to his. Death and 378 00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:17.119 then at that point the murderer took his, keys took 379 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:20.160 his marque card and was able to use those to 380 00:22:20.319 --> 00:22:24.440 traverse basically the bowels of The United bank building and 381 00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:26.960 get to all the places he needed to, go including 382 00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:28.279 the Guard monitor room and the cash. 383 00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:32.039 Flow you're right that there's three separate crime scenes to, 384 00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:37.799 investigate and they have The mosler system recorded in its 385 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:41.519 memory when and where door alarms and motion detectors in 386 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:45.519 the bank complex had, activated as when as well as 387 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:50.720 when they were turned on and. Reset and then also 388 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:56.359 you write that another march them control computer recorded each 389 00:22:56.480 --> 00:22:59.640 use of the marquee card to gain access to the 390 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:06.160 office or department in which employees card was. Used so 391 00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:09.680 tell us what else they deduce from examining these three crime. 392 00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:12.160 Scenes what do they conclude early? 393 00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:16.279 On, well probably for we'll condense it because there's a 394 00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:20.160 lot that they. Learned but the most significant findings were 395 00:23:20.200 --> 00:23:23.599 in the monitor. Room so the monitor room is where 396 00:23:24.319 --> 00:23:27.480 the security feeds from security. Cameras and mind, you they're 397 00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:31.880 black and white security. Cameras this is, old old. Technology 398 00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:35.920 but the feeds all come to BASICALLY tv screens or 399 00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:39.680 monitors in that, room and that's what its purpose, was to, 400 00:23:39.720 --> 00:23:41.640 make you, know to keep your eyes on what's going 401 00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:45.400