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Speaker 1: First and foremost, we.
Speaker 4: Got Ronald the three Man. We were what's up Rodney?
How you live?
Speaker 3: Bit Broke?
Speaker 5: I'm doing good. Hey you guys doing today?
Speaker 6: Yeah, We're gonna talk a lot of a lot of
football a TCU on Saturday. Man, I'm excited for the
Ultimate Tailgate once again.
Speaker 5: It's been too long. Ben Meal, he's been on the road.
Speaker 4: Happy they're back at home though, Boat Shaka Lock.
Speaker 3: Let's welcome in ap Andrew Peterson. He's a producer, co host, host. Uh.
Speaker 4: He does a lot morese here at ESP the band.
What's up, ap Oh?
Speaker 1: I'm I'm doing really good? But boy, do I have
a fun story for you about Bear Bachmeyer.
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Fuck there, I am sitting on the sideline on Tuesday
by Whip is playing in mural black Football. It's the playoffs.
I show up and who do I see coaching the
other team? But Bear and Tiger bonfire and no way.
They're over there doing all sorts of football stuff with
these girls yelling out instructions and I'm sitting here going
fake forty three blast with a backside George reverse, just
throwing out random remember the Titans lines. And I mean
it was a good yet we took it down to
the wire, lost seven to six. It was kind of sad,
but it was funny because we're like in the middle
of the game watching it and Bear walks over to
me and he goes, dude, that's a nice mullet. I
dig that. He goes, I love your mullet. I was like, oh, thanks.
Speaker 3: He's probably a little jealous because he had to cut
off his locks in a little bit and he like
he like DAPs me up a little bit.
Speaker 5: He's like, oh, you're married.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, that one. He's like, oh,
that's freaking awesome, dude. And then uh and then he
just goes back to healing at his team. But I
know that we often introduce Ronald as having the best hair.
Yeah yeah, but Bear complimented my mullet. And other than
my wife, yeah, anything my wife does for me, she's
she is the only one who can give me a
bigger confidence boost than I got in the moment that
bart Bachmeyer said that he digs my mullet?
Speaker 3: Ronnie, are you willing like, is Bear Bachmeyer ever giving
you a compliment on your hair?
Speaker 1: By chance?
Speaker 6: I will try to avoid the athletes at all costs.
I really don't care what they think if I'm gonna
be honest. So yeah, that's.
Speaker 4: Kind of so Ronnie.
Speaker 3: Ronnie maybe taking this personal that that he has not
received a compliment.
Speaker 6: No, I mean I haven't had a chance to really
interact with Bear.
Speaker 5: No do I I care?
Speaker 6: Like, I'm really not trying to be like rude, like
what is an eighteen or nine year old gonna know
like about locks?
Speaker 5: I'm just being honest, being like.
Speaker 4: He's got beautiful hair.
Speaker 3: What do you mean he's got a lot of He
and Tiger have great hairy, beautiful these are free flowing.
Speaker 5: Okay, so we'll do this.
Speaker 6: We'll go ask Bear and Tiger, hey, what is my hair?
Ask him to define it? And I don't think they would.
Speaker 1: I'll just say I'm in no way. I didn't mean
to start off the competition. I know, I was just
ron has the best hair. Let's just be you're gonna
give it to him. I'll give it to it, Okay.
I just wanted to say that for a moment, I
felt like Ron when Bear said I have good hair.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 1: Oh man.
Speaker 3: Did you feel like you got out coached in the
intraviw game or do you feel like you you you
gave your team the best opportunity to win. Do you
feel like your players fell short of your standard?
Speaker 1: We played down one person and they played at full strength,
So losing seventy six I take. I mean, I feel
like we that's a moral victory. We we did well.
That's that's what we got knocked out. And and my
wife was a little mad at Bear. I was like, whoa, whoa,
he's cool. He said, he likes my hair. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll give you the moral victory. I think that's
You're down a man, You're down a woman, seven to six,
down to the wire. Congratulations on the win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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so I guess it's official here. Okay, this was uh,
this was just announced the CFP.
Speaker 4: This was about twenty five minutes ago.
Speaker 3: The CFP commissioners have formally approved the addition of Utah
eighty Mark Carlin to the Selection committee and Arkansas eighty Hunter.
You're a check as the group's new chair. Sources told
YEAHO Sports and Ross Ellinger. So why did Brett your
Mark the Big Twelve want to put Mark Harlan.
Speaker 1: In this position.
Speaker 3: Let's read between the lines a little bit. Ap your
immediate reaction, Ronald, I'll let you comment and then I'll bring.
Speaker 1: Up the caboos. Honestly, it doesn't make a ton of
sense to me. The thing that comes to my mind
is that it's obvious that Utah and the Big Twelve
have had a strained relationship, and so maybe this is
a way for Brett, your Mark, and the University of
Utah to maybe make some things up here. I mean,
I I don't want to say that it's a terrible
fit because he has been on the committee for a
short amount of time before, but I mean, just from
a BYU standpoint, BA fans aren't gonna like this. It's
hard to see Mark being objective about BYU. That's where
I'm coming from.
Speaker 3: Well, there's definitely a competitive environment, there's definitely some possible
ill will. It doesn't seem that Mark is a friend
of Kugarnation by any means. This is something that BA
fans they're gonna have a Neede York reaction to, and
with due reason. Remember Big Total Commissioner Brett Yormark issued
a public reprimand of forty thousand dollars to the University
of Utah athletic director Mark Harlan for his public criticism
of the officiating after the Utah versus BYU game just
a year ago. The comics did not pertain to a committed,
you know, football player or anything like that.
Speaker 4: It was just him.
Speaker 3: Criticizing his his conference.
Speaker 4: You know, I was excited to be a part of
the Big Twelve.
Speaker 3: Today I am not, and the commissioner is going to
hear from me, he stated, right, I'm disgusted, he said,
by the professionalism of the officiating crew tonight. This game
was absolutely stolen from us. It was a tyrannical toddler. Iraid,
that's the only way to describe it.
Speaker 1: It's just to be fair to the Big twelve here,
you think about the Big twelve ads, I don't not
necessarily know if there's objectively a better candidate off the
top of my head, like bau fans want to say,
Brian Santierra. Brian Santiago is very new to the athletic
being a full time athletic director. It's hard for me
to put him on the committee.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mark Carlan Marc Carland mark Carlin's non assistant AD
in two thousand and two to two thousand and four
at Arizona two thousand and four to two thousand and five.
He was the Associate AD at Northern Colorado two thousand
and five to two thousand and six. San Jose State
Associate AD two thousand six to twenty ten, Arizona SVP
SO Senior Vice President for Central Development. He then moved
over to from twenty ten to twenty thirteen to UCLA
Senior Associate Athletic Director. From twenty thirteen to twenty eighteen
he was at South Florida and from twenty eighteen to
present day he's been at the University of Utah.
Speaker 1: So so he's got a pretty good resume as an
athletic director, and he's been on the committee. And and
when you're hit with such a an event likes going
on with Baylor and their athletic director being suspended or
taking a leave of absence, you've got to go quickly.
You've got to get someone on the committee. And so
choosing someone who's already been there it does make sense.
But when it comes to BYU mate, this is my opinion.
I don't think Mark Harlan can be objective about b
YU and I think that's gonna hurt. Yeah, you don't.
Speaker 3: You don't feel like you have advocacy. You don't feel
like you have advocacy there.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't at the board meeting. And and
while they say they step out for when they're going
to talk about Utah, it's hard to imagine him not
trying to get.
Speaker 3: There's always human element, there's always relational elements, there's always
the back door deals, right, And I'll scratch my back,
I'll scratch your type of thing, right, right.
Speaker 1: But I mean I'm willing to sit down, wait to
see what happens with the rankings and be fair about it.
But my optimism about him being fair with BYU is
not high.
Speaker 4: I think this is a look.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of there's equity that has been built
up over the last thirteen years.
Speaker 4: Equity at the University of Utah. They were very.
Speaker 3: Competitive and won a lot of football games in the
in the Pac twelve.
Speaker 1: It's good program, right, good program.
Speaker 3: They've invested well, they recruit well, they develop well. Like
Kyle Whittingham's a really good college football coach and their
athletic department wants to win that. You've seen the investment,
the nil is competitive. The investment internally, you know you're
paying it with your tax money, my tax dollars, all
of our tax dollars that go to the University Utah
to pay Coywitingham salary. We buoy him up with our
tax dollars. He's the highest paid employee in the state
of Utah, Okay, and he's.
Speaker 4: Done a swell job of leading Okay.
Speaker 3: So they built up this equity, as has Mark Harlan
as an ad He's got a good resume. I've always said,
I've always asked the question, which teams does Bret your
Mark hope to become the flag bearers of the Big twelve.
And you saw a lot of hype surrounding Utah coming
into the Big twelve, right they were gonna run the
truck stop stop conference. What's interesting is if you go
back to the PAC twelve, which administrators, which consultants from
which school kind of led to the demise of the
PAC twelve, and it's hubris and pompoush nature overvaluing itself
saying that we're worth fifty million for school rather than
thirty million for school.
Speaker 4: Where did that come from?
Speaker 1: I think that came from our friends up on the hill.
It was from the University of Utah.
Speaker 3: So like because they have and their R one Research
institution that has something to do with as well from
an athletic department, and as an extension of that university standpoint,
there is something to the R one Research institution.
Speaker 4: Having a medical school having published data.
Speaker 3: Like there is a combination of academic and athletic cash
flows that should not be disassociated because they are very
much relational and it does give you a little bit
more credence and equity and opinions at the seat of
the table of these committees and of these decision makers.
So there are power players and look, Utah has earned
that through their strategic initiatives, their strategic plays within the
academic and athletic world. They came to the Big Twelve
kicking and screaming, wanting to come. And so that relationship
maybe between brett or Mark and Mark Harland due to
what's happened, maybe is a little bit strange. But this
tells me something that that not many Boa fans are
gonna want to hear, and that is Brett yor Mark
wanted Utah and he wanted them bad. He wanted you.
He wanted Colorado obviously, but he wanted Utah and he
wanted them for a specific reason.
Speaker 1: I mean, of the four brands, Utah is the only
one that felt like they could have any long term success.
Speaker 3: That's how he may feel, right, that's it's this long
term success and and and a lot of that has
been built up through what they've done over the last
thirteen years.
Speaker 1: They're a proven entity.
Speaker 3: So he's gonna invest in them and he's given them
the tip of the cap. And also I think there's
a little bit of low hanging for it because of
the experience. If you look at the Big twelve athletic
director roster, who do you go with? You're gonna go
with Chad Weiberg of Oklahoma State, you know, you gonna
go with my buddy at big at the at TCU.
Speaker 4: He just got the job from Army. He just came
over from Army.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a lot of a lot of the
Big twelve athletic directors have an athletic department that have
a lot of turmoil. Of the few that aren't, are
you gonna put I would say that the few that
aren't I wouldn't put in turmoil would be Arizona State,
byu Utah, Texas Tech, everyone else that feels like there's
something going on where they're firing coaches there, which is normal,
but there's just a lot going on around a lot
of programs.
Speaker 3: I think you could have looked at the new kid
on the block, the bell of the Big twelve ball
right now, Kirby Hocutt, who has been at Texas tex
since twenty eleven.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like, I think you could have looked at that.
Speaker 3: Prior to that, he was the eighty for Ohio and
then Miami, you know, in from two thousand and eight
to two thousand eleven before getting the job at Texas Tech.
So you know, he's had a pretty good career. He's
still fairly young. He's fifty three, fifty four, so you're like, okay, like,
why not Kirby. And the only thing I can can
I can sum it up to is that Mark Carlin
has been in that room prior, and that committee enjoyed
having Mark Carland there. Brett or Mark knows that he's
thinking at it as a whole, the Big twelve and
what Mark can maybe do to advocate for the Big
twelve and communicate the messaging from the Big Twelve to
the committee, and that's why he went with Mark. Some
of it's relational as it pertains to Mark Harlan's relationships
that have been built maybe over his career, but also
when he was with the committee just a year ago. Bo,
You fans hate this, They abhor it. They believe the
worst would happen whenever Mark Carlin's advocating or not advocating
for BYU.
Speaker 4: And that's human nature, is it not? Human nature?
Speaker 3: Is probably think the worst you know of, especially when
you're talking about rivalry talk, you're talking about you know how.
And I've made this argument before. The University of Utah
definitely had success at the PAC twelve in the PAC twelve,
but they were never necessarily able to get over that
hump right going to two Rows Bowl, you loft, they
couldn't win the big game.
Speaker 4: In two thousand and eight, they won the Sugar Bowl.
Speaker 1: That was great.
Speaker 4: That was during the Mountain West Conference.
Speaker 3: Era, versus a somewhat diluted Alabama team that was kind
of reeling from not getting into a BCS championship national
championship game. Anyway, much of the the of what we
do in life and how we compete in life is
social comparative competition, keeping up with the Joneses, What is
my neighbor doing? That is baseline human biology and biochemistry.
Speaker 4: It is what it started. Our show started off with it.
Speaker 3: Ronald took offense that Bear l liked your hair and
he's never gone out of his way to give compliments
to Ronald. And Ronald said, look, I've never even talked
to him. I'm not gonna don't care about eighteen like,
he took offense a little bit, you know, not a lot,
but a little bit, and he didn't like that. And
that's comparative, you know, social constructs that you know, sometimes
our biology and biochemistry.
Speaker 4: Create so innately.
Speaker 3: You know, there's a little bit of enmity here between
the two, and we compare ourselves to each other, and
that drives a certain amount of our own internal validation
within our fan bases when their universities, et cetera.
Speaker 4: That is the way it is. Things will never be
the same. That is the way it is, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: I just want to ask you a question after all that,
do you think this is good for the Big Twelve.
Speaker 4: I think Brett Yormark believes it is.
Speaker 3: And brett Or Mark knows probably better than I do
about what's best for the Big twelve conference. You either
believe in your leadership or you don't. You either like
Brett or Mark or you don't. You could say, Okay, well,
he's made all these great decisions, he's increased visibility, he's
increased profitability, he's done all these very outside the box
graded things, and that's due to his competence.
Speaker 4: And then on the back you're.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, but this is one mistake, or he's like, well,
maybe it is good.
Speaker 1: It's a good.
Speaker 3: Decision, like and the track record is what he makes
pretty good guys, staying.
Speaker 1: Good decisions a pretty good job.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. So, look, I trust brett Or Mark.
I do think the like, yeah, I'm gonna try to
poke holes in it. I'm gonna say, look, like, I
think this has to do with a little bit of
the low hanging fruit.
Speaker 4: Maybe a projection.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's a pitch that was given to you from
Mark himself, but maybe he also got feedback from other
members on the College Football PLAYFF Committee that persuaded him
to bring Mark Carlin back to be an advocate for
the Big Twelve.
Speaker 1: For me, I I I agree with you. I think
he's done a tremendous job for the most part. It
just feels like.
Speaker 3: What mistakes has Brett Yormark made is the one that
I'll tenure, the one that i'll I'll point to is
his treatment of rivalry games.
Speaker 1: So I think he's missed on I'm wondering.
Speaker 3: If I'm wondering, are you talking about specifically the B
y U and U tires.
Speaker 1: Some others like Kansas State and Iowa State. I, for
the life of me, do not agree you should send
that game to Ireland.
Speaker 4: He's trying to, like if you send.
Speaker 1: BYU Utah to Ireland.
Speaker 3: He's trying to go outside the box and try to
compete in different time time zones and in time frames.
Speaker 1: And continents now and continents now.
Speaker 3: Like he's he doesn't want to compete on Rivalry Weekend
because there's so many games to compete with.
Speaker 4: He wants more visibility to those games.
Speaker 3: But it for us as consumers, as media member, it
doesn't have.
Speaker 4: As much as an impact.
Speaker 1: Right you put BYU in Utah on Rivalry Weekend this year,
I can guarantee that's a playoff implicating game.
Speaker 3: It totally is like it was, and it is it
would be. I feel like on Thanksgiving week it's even bigger.
It would be even bigger, would at crescendos into the
end of the season.
Speaker 4: It could have.
Speaker 1: Been the crown jewel of Rivalry Weekend. Because Michigan Ohio
State is not a playoff game this year. Michigan's not
going to get there. Yeah, but BYU and Utah, chances
are right now one of them gets in. Yeah. No.
Speaker 4: I so I think that's valid criticism.
Speaker 3: I give him a lot of credit for thinking outside
the box and saying, you know what, I don't want
to compete on Rivalry Weekend. I don't want to just
jam pack all of our best Big Twelve matchups to
that weekend. I'd rather split them up and try to
maximize the monetization and maximize the viewership of those games
rather than competing with some of the best rivalry games
in college football. I see, I look at it from
like a strategic money standpoint and tried to put the
Big Twelve in the best position now.
Speaker 1: And to be fair, this isn't the only rivalry that
the Big Twelve is, like they've done this before BYU Utah,
Texas and Oklahoma's never been on rivalry with Yeah, and
that's probably what the biggest rivalry was in the Big
Twelve or the BYU Utah era. So I mean, to
be fair, the Big Twelve does have a history of this.
It's just I'm not sure that I don't know. There's
there's two sides of the coin. Is BYU and Utah
big enough to replace that Red River rivalry chasm left
when those two left the conference.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you would say that was a bad move
from Brett. You'd criticize that any other moves that Brett
or Mark has made. I'm hoping you say Wrestling Worldwide
Wrestling Federation so that I can make fun of two
of our our personnel here.
Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't you're wrestling. I don't. I'm not
a big fan of US. Okay, all right, I'm not
a huge fan, but I'm not gonna like go out
of my just because I haven't really watched it ever.
It's never really appealed to me, So I'm not gonna
sit here and beat on it when I really don't
know anything about other than most of it's fake. It
is fake, so that's why the moves they do are real.
But that's the reason why I've never wanted to watch
it is because I know it's fake, Like if I
want to see a movie.
Speaker 3: So you're critical of you said that it's a bad
move to align with wrestling the Worldwide Wrestling Federation.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, dude. Are they given us a wwwwwwf?
Speaker 4: What is it now?
Speaker 1: What is it now?
Speaker 6: Ww But it's World Wrestling Entertainment and it's not faking.
Speaker 5: It's because the injuries are real.
Speaker 6: You can say that the acting is terrible and that's
why they can't go to Hollywood. I'll hear that, But like,
it's not fake because I guarantee you if myself, for
Andrew or Bredy, you've been trying to jump off the
high of a ladder and do one of those moves,
we're gonna get hurt. Like like it's like, it's not
it's not. You could say you don't like the scripting
and how it is. You could say that's not.
Speaker 4: Good, but critical we're being critical.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's what I mean by like it's not
like it's I don't want to DEVA.
Speaker 3: That's where I'm like, I don't want to DVA so
so much. But we're split on this issue. That's okay.
So those are two criticisms for brett Or Mark. What
out say anything else? And that's that's where brett Ormark
do we trust or do we not? I think we
trust him, Like he's done a good job for the
most part. Like for the most part, brett Ormack's done.
Speaker 1: A great job.
Speaker 4: Just for me, Did brett Or Mark have a stroke?
Speaker 3: It feels he's suffering from COVID and some sort of
like you know, blocked, you know, clogged up artery to
his brain? Is that why he the point I want
to get what what what's his medical condition right now?
Speaker 4: Why? Why did he choose Mark Carlin? This is the
It is a bad decision.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if it's a bad decision. It's
just to your point, it feels like it had to
be a quick decision. He hasked to get someone on
the committee very quick, and so he's going, we got
to slap a bandit on this thing, yea. And he
went and reached he went for the guy that immediately
experience low hanging fruit. It's it feels like a band
aid solution for me.
Speaker 3: He did he had to make a knee jerk reaction.
He didn't have time to do his due diligence.
Speaker 1: And it might be a good decision. It might be like,
let's be fair, it could be good. I just don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, Mark Carlin, he's your advocate for the Big twelve.
Speaker 4: He's he's your chair.
Speaker 3: Uh, he's got the chair of the in that college
football playoff can be so your hope fingers crossed?
Speaker 1: Does that mean he's the one who's interviewed by them
on live television when they critique decisions.
Speaker 3: Possibly, I would love one of them. I would love
to see maybe one of them. I don't I typically don't.
They don't interview the chairman like the committee members. I
think they typically I think they interview the like executive.
Speaker 1: Isn't he because that's what mac Rhodes was. I thought
he was the playoff chairman.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know if that's the case.
I don't he was, No, he wasn't.
Speaker 4: What's yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like I don't know if he's replacing him
as a member or if he's like the chair.
Speaker 1: That would be wild.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think that that's the case.
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What do you say, Jay Hill discussing b YU versus
TCU The horn frogs coming to town looking for a victory.
Can this BOU defense stopped them? It's a few days
since Texas Tech. Is there anything from the film review
you learned that you didn't already know?
Speaker 9: No, not really. We gotta play better. We gotta you know.
There were a couple opportunities to make interceptions that we
didn't do. There were a couple opportunities to get out
of some third downs where we just weren't quite clean enough.
Bottom line, give Texas Tech tons of credit. I thought
they played very well. We needed to step up to
the occasion a little better.
Speaker 3: Got to step up to the occasion, no doubt about it.
Justin Kirklin, what's the outlook right now? He has been
on the depth chart, so I'm removed from the depth chart.
What's up with Justin?
Speaker 9: Where he had played his four games, We just felt
like with three left, it probably makes sense to keep
his year and he still has a red shirt and
we can bring him back for next year.
Speaker 4: Red shirt for Justin Kirkland. You like it? Do you
hate it?
Speaker 3: I mean a Nisi Purcell is doubt or he's probable, right,
I think in the most recent or questionable is questionable.
Speaker 4: I think let me pull up the injury report from yesterday.
Speaker 3: So Ansurcell is making his way back into the lineup,
back in the good graces of health, and so maybe
Justin Kirkland after having his four games, he's probable. They
just evaluate it like, look, we have enough John tamapey Ocana,
Tona Vasa, a Nisi Purcell, all doing great things, right,
all doing great things. They have a good rotation there.
You hope you don't have to delve into the depth.
If you can remember, you can get Justin Kirkland back
for the bowl game, a Big Twelve Championship game and
the bowl game or bowl games meaning CFP, so you
can get them back, just like you can get like
a red shirt Tommy Prass's red shirt justin Curlewer. You'll
get all those guys back if you make it to
the Big told Championship red shirted. Yeah yeah, shelding Mo
red shirted most likely and getting back hopefully fingers crossed
Big Twelve Championship Game and the bowl games.
Speaker 1: The Natty.
Speaker 3: I mean that's where Ben's going easy. I never said that.
I just want you to make my dreams come trure.
I just want you to get over the hop. My
dream is just to get over the hop. I'm a
sequential guy. You don't have to go from you know,
you know, from you know, not being a BCS busting
New Year's Bowl type.
Speaker 4: Of team and get to the Natty.
Speaker 1: I just want you to get in all transparent.
Speaker 3: I want you to I just want you to be
a Top twelve team that that allows you to to
get into an at large bit into the CFP, the
Big Dance, Big Gridiron Day.
Speaker 1: Be transparent. I do not view BYU as a national
title contender. I think they're a playoff contender, but I
don't I wouldn't put them in the group of four
or five teams that could win it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's fine, you know what I mean. And
you hope in the new era that that's going to
be a.
Speaker 1: Little bit rotational, right.
Speaker 3: You can see new new teams kind of take a
shot through their their foundational recruiting, their culture, and then
pick up as Texas Tech has done some strategic acquisitions
through the portal and with their nil offering anyway, So
Jessic Kirkland going to be red shirted, fingers crossed, he'll
be back for the Bowl game, the Big twelve Championship game.
Can players still play in the championship in playoffs and
still maintain that red shirt? Jay?
Speaker 9: Yes, the way I haven't understood.
Speaker 4: Yes, there you have it.
Speaker 3: How much of a conversation was there beyond Kirkland to
red shirt other players any other red shirts?
Speaker 9: A lot with those guys who've played in that two, three,
four games. Yeah, there's a lot of consideration that goes
into is it worth burning your red shirt with three
games left? You have to take that into consideration with
some of these guys, some guys are gonna go and
some guys are gonna red shirt.
Speaker 4: Still, so yeah, I imagine.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I have a comprehensive list on
the defensive side of the ball, but like, thus far
we know Tommy Prash's safety, Nickel red shirt, Josh Kirkland
red shirt, Eframata red shirt, anybody else come to mind?
Speaker 1: See most likely? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, on the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not sure that anyone else.
Speaker 3: Anybody else ring any I don't have the ross in
front of me, I'll pull it up here.
Speaker 4: Anybody else in the corner of that, I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't think so, Ben, I wanted to ask you,
as Marcus and McKinsey already used his red shirt. I
I think Marcus McKenzie has used a register as he's rich, Okay,
because I know he got dinged up again this year
and he's been out.
Speaker 1: So what about Dune Lap? Has he played four games?
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure Jaden has exhausted his elite.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's exhausted.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's been at Brigham for he's a register.
Speaker 1: He's a register.
Speaker 5: He got here in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, So.
Speaker 4: I don't see that happening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you could get like a I would
have to look at the game notes. But you get
some young bucks in there that are playing special teams.
Speaker 5: Get stra back to been forgot to say that. That's
not Yeah, forgot about that.
Speaker 4: They feel pretty confident about that.
Speaker 5: Too, said that one. So yeah that was meat availability.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't I don't know about this one either.
Jonathan Debay has only played in two games.
Speaker 4: Technically, he's only playing two games.
Speaker 1: He in the ESPN. Yeah, that two games? Really? Yeah,
he played in Utah on Texas Tech. Interesting because wasn't
he to.
Speaker 5: Start playing in Arizona. He dress, but he didn't play bench.
Speaker 1: So he's a red shirt candidate.
Speaker 6: Then, yeah, he technically can used it unless you already
used it, which I don't think he has.
Speaker 5: Because he played last year as a as a freshman.
He played.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he played, so he still has. He's listed as
a true sophomore.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, well we'll peruse, we'll peruse.
Speaker 3: I don't know, there's some other guys there that we
just haven't asked about. Are there any players who haven't
played yet that you will want to maybe use?
Speaker 9: Going forward that haven't played yet, good question. Probably not
that haven't played yet, but there's some that haven't played
much that are starting to go way more like Jonathan Cabea.
Some of those guys are are playing more and more.
Nuci Tamoy Paal he is playing more.
Speaker 1: So, Yeah, those guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Neucy is interesting because he's playing more. I
don't know if they're gonna red shirt these guys. I
think they may play them, they may need them. It'll
be interesting to watch Lucy and and Uh. I think
a bay on the defense side of the ball could be
recher candidates, depending on what happens. Uh saw that Noosey
was listed as SAM linebacker. What's the latest on Ephraim Assata?
Speaker 9: He he's with his hand injury. He's probably one of
those guys that we can push.
Speaker 1: Towards that red shirt. There you go.
Speaker 3: What's the scouting report on TCU's offense.
Speaker 9: Very talented, the quarterbacks one of the best we've played
in the last three years. He throws it well. He
ripped us two years ago down there and played one
of his best games of his career. It's it's a
typical TCU offense. I mean they have speed, they have
talent on the outside. The running backs have been productive.
So a lot of good, a lot of things that
we're gonna have to gear up for the stop.
Speaker 3: Obviously, any thoughts any commentary follow up to that AP.
Speaker 1: You want to chime that on No No, I it
was interesting.
Speaker 4: They can rip, they could throw.
Speaker 1: They they're gonna.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Josh Hoover hurt his throwing hands. He did it.
Speaker 4: He's war to glove.
Speaker 1: I feel pretty confident that the battle of passing attacks
can go bee Way's way because their secondary is not
great at covering the deep ball. Boy's hit on that
a few times. Boa He's got three guys. Now that
could be a deep there. I think Jojo back. I
know he didn't play great against Texas Tech, but another
week back, I think I would. I would love to
see a deep shot to Jojo, especially against this secondary.
I think by a secondary is much better than TCUs.
TCU's got to hurt quarterback. I just don't know about
about them being able to throw it on b Way.
I know they're gonna try throwing it a lot, but
it's gonna be really tough.
Speaker 3: You know, you go back and watch I go back
and watch that Texas Tech game, and I was surprised
and injured Baron Morton.
Speaker 4: Was as effective through the air as he was.
Speaker 3: How many chunk yardists plays came through the air, how
many like over the top balls of our coverage? How
many missed opportunities of PBUs and I in T's like
and I don't know if it was just too big,
Like the moment was too big, and you.
Speaker 4: Know the seater got a little tight, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 3: But like, man that was the first time I'm like
man Or or Evan Johnson phenomenal.
Speaker 4: Right, Trey had a rough day.
Speaker 1: Rough day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Trey had a rough one. And even like our
underneath coverage was a little bit sketch, sketch. So hopefully
we get that diald in. Hopefully get that diald in.
Speaker 1: I just think we're a I just think we're a
much better team at home. I really do. And I've
got some stats back that up. I can bring that
up an hour later.
Speaker 3: Okay, but let's let's have Ronald Truman and then I
want you to give me those stats.
Speaker 6: Look, I think what AP said is there's a difference
when you're at home and you got the crowd on
your side versus being on the road. You're am to
college game to all the places. Factor, there's no college
game that's a typical night game. Look, and whether Josh
Houver is healthy or not, I mean he's prone to
turn in the football over beIN regardless of that, in
my opinion, and I think the errors maybe in that
Texas Tech game. Like Look, I don't want this to
be too much of a hot take. I still think
Texas Tech would have won if the come into Provo.
But I do think if Texas Tech had played that
game in Provo, Evan Johnson picks that ball off, Trey
is able to get that pick. I think the momentum
shifts and those little things have travel play a factor
in that. So whether Josh Hoover is one hundred percent
healthy or seventy five percent healthy, to me, it doesn't matter.
I still think that he will turn the ball over
against BYU on Saturday, regardless of that.
Speaker 1: And I just want to go along with that. I've
said this a lot over the past few weeks, so
I'm gonna sound like a broken record. BYU is a
very different team at home than they are on the road.
And I spent time this morning going through every single
game I added up all the time at home. BYU
has led at home for one hundred and eighty eight
minutes and fifty seven seconds. They have trailed for two
minutes and fifty six seconds, a great sad year. The
entire year on the road, BYU has led for one
hundred and three minutes and forty three seconds, and they
have trailed for one hundred and sixty four minutes forty
four seconds. And even without the Texas Tech game, where
they trailed for fifty plus minutes, they still have trailed
more than they have led. And so it just BYU
plays much better at home, defensively, offensive, the special teams.
Everything's better at Lavelle.
Speaker 3: Always better under the lights of level, no doubt about it.
How would you describe the intensity at practice after facing
such adversarial conditions in love itck?
Speaker 9: Well, yesterday I think that they came out I don't
want to say feeling their way through on defense, but
just just a little hurt from the game, I think
is the best way to describe it. And then today
I thought they were on fire. That was the best
Wednesday practice we've had, maybe since I've been here, So
I think they'll respond.
Speaker 3: Well bouncing back, gotta find a way to get back
into the groove of things. Looking at Tsues, looking at TCU,
they've made a lot of turnover worthy plays. How do
you want to see your defense capitalize on those?
Speaker 9: Oh, just that, I think we got to play really
precise in our coverage. We got to get some pressure
in his face, hopefully do some things to disguise our
coverages to where he's not just standing back in the
pocket and knowing exactly what we're doing. We need to
try to confuse him as.
Speaker 3: Much as possible, confuse the quarterback as much as possible,
no doubt about it. And I think they did a
pretty good job of that in the first half with
Baron Morton. Baron just started like going throwing off like
his back foot, his injured foot, and just ripping it
to the fade and connect it. Just beautifully thrown balls,
like perfectly thrown balls versus decent coverage.
Speaker 4: It's crazy his nuts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then there was a couple of over the
over the middle as well in the second half that was, Yeah,
that's that's a really good ball for like an injured
quarterback that can't really run.
Speaker 1: He is truly a pocket quarterback.
Speaker 3: Anyway, last thing from Jay Hill, you guys are in
the same position this year that you were last year,
controlling your own destiny. Are there any lessons from last
season you can that you can touch on or take
down the stretch of the season.
Speaker 9: Well, I sure hope. So you know, we got to
come out and last year we let Kansas beat US
twice and we responded slowly to Arizona State. This year, obviously,
we can't let Texas Tech beat US twice, and we
got to come play precise. This isn't going to require
a perfect game, but we got to come out and
play well.
Speaker 1: We got to play together.
Speaker 9: We're going to have to play hard and do what
we need to do to just make plays, be prepared
all those things, and again I sense that our guys
will be ready to go this week.
Speaker 3: I had a high school football coach by the name
of Jim Ewen. He's a legendary coach down in the
state of Arizona, won a ton of football games, a
ton of football games. He was a cancer survivor and
it was testicular cancer.
Speaker 4: He had a testicle removed.
Speaker 3: So we would actually whenever the count was the snaff
cut was on one.
Speaker 4: We'd say you ewin his last name. He wanted us
to do that. A lot of good stories behind Jim Ewen,
but one of the.
Speaker 3: Things he used to say is, as it pertains to
mail appendages, he would say, don't get your dobber down.
Speaker 4: Don't get your dobber down. Okay, don't get your doughb down.
Speaker 3: Congrenation, don't get your dobber down BYU football. Don't let
him beat you twice. Don't let what happened with Kansas
where you got beat twice, beat you in the game,
then beat you into the bye week or into the
preparation week of ASU. Don't the text take beat twice.
Don't get your jobber down.
Speaker 1: I think I think this team is gonna come out
fired up. I think they're I think they're ticked off
more than they're disappointed, to be honest, that's the vibe
I'm feeling around you. You chat with Bear last night?
Did you ask him today? He was pretty energetic. I
think he was still like in his mind he was
still like he was like he was moving on to TCU.
He was, he was amped up, he was They were
energetic over there. Like they're they're ready.
Speaker 5: To go, and I was like, dang, I said what
a should do in this game?
Speaker 6: You know what I said, right talking about all the Jews,
don't go your old mantra, take the football and go
down and score. They're not gonna do that. They're gonna
send the defense out, get the energy. But like if
I'm a rod, I go to Kline and be like, no,
we're gonna win the coins ass. So we're gonna take
the football and we're gonna go score a touchdown right
down their throats and let him know we're here the
whole game. Like I'm serious. That's what they should do,
like to prove to the national media. US is local, Like,
you guys are peasants, your pms, you don't know. Take
the football, go to de ball and chased and throw
another d ball for a touchdown. Quick score them seven
to zero. That's what you should do.
Speaker 1: But it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 5: In the face, not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Though I'd like to see that. I'd love to see that.
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