Speaker 1: All day long on live streams. I got better things
to do than just rip farts on fart stream. We
could just call it a fart stream and then I'll
started my only fans and make a lot of money
because a lot of y'all are just weird. Dude, y'all
got a lot of weird people getting getting off on
weird stuff. It's not even it's too grossy to talk
about what is wrong with y'all. Get off the internet, man.
People were spending too much time on the Internet as
human beings. Uh oh, I forgot this, supercha, Jacob Kabay,
this is a question for FDA. No this we asked
that last time. That was about what are the things
that turn you gay? Rudy five dollars, Jay, I'm inquiring
into Orthodoxy. I read in Ucbs that the early bishops
of Jerusalem from the Apostles until Hadrian or Hebrews, who
carefully observed the law. Has the Orthodox Church understand this?
I have not read that in Eusebius. I'm not saying
that you are wrong, but I don't know what it
means to observe the law, and like in what sense
I mean Orthodox Christians observe the law. Maybe he means
the calendar issue in the controversy of courtradesseminarians. It's possible
that the Bishop of Jerusalem was on the wrong side
of that controversy. I don't know, but that would seem
to be contrary to Acts fifteen. So I'm not sure
what in what sense Eusebius is talking about the law. Also,
by the way, you should understand that well, Eusebius is
a Patristic writer. Unfortunate Eusebius was a semi arian, and
so we don't exactly follow Eusebius too far. I mean,
he's irrelevant historical witness, but he was also heterodox. So
Eusebius is kind of in that class of Tertullian and Origin.
They're relevant historical figures and writers, or they're ecclesiastical writers
and historians, but they are not saints or Orthodox Church
fathers for us, because they all ended up in heresing
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A lot of people do that because it just people
put in stupid shit for a dollar, and then you're
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might just read it only five dollars in a bow
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his orders came from bankers in Washington? I think you
mean Christian Rakowski, who was a Trotze and he was
arrested by the NKVD. It's called the Red Symphony, but
it's not bankers in Washington. It's just the Roth Chiles
as he was talking about. So just look up Red
Symphony by Christian Rakowski and it is purported to be
an interrogation of a committed Trotskyite, the socialist president of Bulgaria,
Christian Rakowsky by the NKVD. And I think I did
a whole talk on it. You know, there's a whole
talk on it on my channel. Eric Vigilant thigh dollars.
I'm officially orthodox catechumen. Thank you for showing me the
world of Orthodoxy through the debate with you and Sam
Schmunn versus the Muslims. Well that's great, man, I'm glad
to hear that. I call zero three dollars. Jim Bob
reacted to Matt Powell. He made a wacky critique of Orthodoxy.
I knew him in high school. I would recommend watching it,
even though it's low tier. Yeah, I mean probably fifty
people and not fifty, maybe twenty people sent me this
and it's I mean, honestly, like seven years ago, we
were doing a lot of these responses to every like
every few weeks, there was some dumb Protestant load tier critique. Uh,
it's just it gets old too, because it's just repeating
the same old stuff, like well, Dicole Noman on her father,
you shall have no graving images there were there's one
mediator between men and God, the wardies. It's like the same,
like these low tier Protestant arguments have been responded to
ad infinitum, and I just I can't keep doing that forever.
It's too boring. I mean, everything that is in that video,
I haven't even seen it. I guarantee you everything that's
in that video I have videos on So just look
at or just go to the clip channel. Man, if
you don't want to go through my stuff, just go
to the clip channel. Jordan and five dollars, do you
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one with Rotheos blocos or excuse me, with Larsae. Excuse me,
Steve mcleven. Five dollars. Did you see that Pope Leo
is including the SSPX and the Jubilee calendar. I did
see that plug your camera and it just plugged in.
I'm not sure what to make of that. I think
Benedict did this where he did all these overtures that
were trying to reach out to the SSPX back in
the time of I mean I was that's back when
I was going to the Latin mass or was becoming
more and more tad back under Benedict, and all that
did was kind of further sort of put a wedge
down the middle of the SPX with people preferring the
state of position versus people who were kind of wanting
to get out of this halfway house contradiction and go
back to Rome. And a lot of the SSPX people
at that time ended up just going to the FSSP
who didn't want to be outside of jurisdiction. So it's
probably some overture to bring them back into full communion,
whatever the hell that is. Robert Galax had this idea
of like half communion or whatever that is. But that's
how they justify this nonsense of like Protestants are like
thirty percent in communion with the papacy, Orthodox are like
seventy percent in communion, Muslims are like ten percent in communion.
It's just really retarded. I mean, I'm just kind of
like at this stage where I don't understand what is
going through people's heads. I don't get it. I guess
the only thing I can come to is other than
like everybody's being made really dumb by the toxic culture
and the all this stuff going on dadis food slop
on the internet. There's a spiritual delusion that is just
like people just don't have discernment. The leaders they choose
are not based on any kind of basic discernment skills.
It's really weird. So I don't know. I don't even
know what to say anymore. I feel like I feel
like it's time for me to just break up with
most people, Like we're not dating anymore. We had our time,
we had our fling, and you know, it's time for
us to become an elite click over here. That's what
I'm trying to say. We are the one percent, the elite.
We are the the movers and the shakers. Okay, we're
the one sent crypto bro money masters over here. I'm
just kidding.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say. What else would
we be over here? Open minded? Daily grind five dollars?
Why do they call them palm trees if they don't
like palm look like palms? Ain't no one having funky
palms like that. That dude's bringing a different vibe to
super chats. Definitely bringing a different vibe to super Chats.
Six of Spades twenty dollars. Here's my free fee for
lurking here for a long time. Thank you for what
you do, mister KGB. Cheers everyone, Hey, thanks to appreciate that,
and shout out to the new members Six of Spades, Chris, Alexander,
Gorilla Biscuits and a silver Ogre. We's got some new
members in the house. Welcome everybody. Bitcoin rumors are weird.
Don't listen to rumors. What are you talking about? Listen
everybody that listen to me. And I'm not telling you
what to do with your money. But if you, if you,
if you thought my ideas were good ideas, we're up
like thirty six X from twenty seventeen. I was looking
and in four years it's like a ten X. In
four years, go back to twenty seventeen, it's like a
thirty six X. So ain't no, ain't no reason to
fud the bitcoins unless you just low iq. But when
I read comments, and by the way, I would do
want to talk about dead Internet theory a little bit
because I'm having a harder time figuring out what is
real on the Internet now. I mean, it's just getting
crazier and crazier and weirder and weirder. And we had
dead Internet theory coverage video three years ago, a live
to whole livestream three years ago on it, so we
were fairly out of the curve. I wasn't the first
to talk about that. There were some other live streams
that to talk about it. I know it goes back
to like four Chan theories and all that. The original
theories are kind of ridiculous, right, It's like, oh, everybody
on the Internet after twenty sixteen is a bot and
it's all fake. I mean, that's it's gets so level stuff.
But they were onto something with becoming alterations that we
did see at the time of twenty sixteen that I
think Google began to make due to the nonsense of
Russian collusion and that the bots that the Russians bought
were changing the election results just just super dumb. I mean,
you have to be like committed boomer to our Democrat
to believe that are we one hundred x from the
low twenty seventeen that's possible because I don't know what
the low twenty seventeen was, but I'm thinking from the
time I started buying of buying it around two thousand
or twenty five hundred. I can't rember, I bought it
twenty and twenty eight hundred, but it was pretty low.
But yeah, if you go from like whenever, I'm sure
in twenty seventeen, at one point Big Quinn was a thousand,
so that's probably one hundred x. But anyway, I mean,
why am I talking about dead Internet through because I
see bots now that are pretty sophisticated, arguing very precise things.
And I don't know how this works or how they
do it, but I'm pretty sure even a lot of
the things that I see responding to me just trying
to start crap, just trying to you know, stoke nonsense,
Like yes, I understand that some people I might have
blocked in the past can create a new profile or whatever.
But there's a lot of bots in a lot of
comments that are new profiles with no followers and like
a few comments literally like very precise in their replies,
So that to me suggests that boding has gotten really sophisticated.
And remember, bots can now have entire conversations with bots
that seem legit. Now, if you do it, if you
talk about crypto, for example, you will immediately see this
in your videos. Anytime I do a video that discusses bitcoin,
it's inevitable that underneath I will get the gibberish crypto
bots talking and arguing with one another. In fact, the
last time I had to delete an entire discussion of
all bots that most of us probably forty an under
would recognize as fake, Boomers would believe this. They've been there.
They've been there trying to argue with the crypto bots.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: I can't get the bitcoin out of my game Boy?
How do I get the bitcoin out of the game
boy and into the ATM to get the dollar bitcoin?
Right now, they're not going to be able to spot
the bots. But I will say though that like the
bots are getting more sophisticated than they really ten You
remember ten years ago on Facebook, you would get on
Facebook and it would be like ten butts that are
trying to befriend you. It was like, oh shit, I
already had like five butts as my friend. I guess
I'll take another ten more butts as my bff. Well,
I face butt and it would just be I mean,
I'm joking. Obviously those are bots too, because like how
many butts are actually on profiles on Facebook. Not very many.
But we're no longer in the butt befriending phase. We're
in the It's still annoying and it's dumb and you
can spot it, but it's sophisticated enough that a lot
of people fall for, is what I'm trying to say.
And then I'm noticing, right, and Twitter seems to be
really bad about it, because remember for a while there,
for like a year, as soon as you put anything
up is like theF bots were immediately they're posting gibberish
and butts and prawn. And now I get the crypto
bots on my Twitter too, immediately pushing gibberish, scam coins
and whatever else. So they changed the algorithm in twenty sixteen. Also,
by the way, people forget that I'd forgotten this, that
a big part of the change of the Internet was
not just the rise of Facebook, which happened to come
the day after they had shut down that DARPA program
called lifelog. So lifelog was this tracking and tracing posting
nine to eleven gibberish nonsense that people forget that was
pioneered by DARPA and it was then shut down because
of libertarian criticism at the time. The very next day,
right faceburg Premier's Facebook, and it just happens to be
the privatized, identical version of what the darker program was. Right,
So that was the beginning of the downfall of the
classic Internet that we all knew. The next phase, though,
was when I think it was around I just looked
this up. It was like a I don't remember the
exactly year, but it's like twenty eleven or twelve. I
think it's twenty eleven where Facebook decided to institute an
algorithm that was no longer going to show you your
friend's post, but what they thought you needed to see,
in other words, a version of the for you that
we all love to hate. Now, this was the beginning
also the end, because now face junk was face butts
were feeding you mainstream news that you didn't even ask
for in your feet. That was the beginning of algorithmic
deciding of what you need to see, and they pushed
it like, oh, but it's gonna be awesome, because it's
gonna help you choose like what would be great for you.
And there is a plausible element to this because, for example,
if you have YouTube music which is actually really good,
that algorithm actually works pretty good to find other selections
like what you like. Right, So the idea isn't bad.
It actually kind of makes sense. It saves you time
in terms of like tracking down and trying to find
some cool song that used to take maybe I don't know,
hours to hear something new that was cool. But the
trade off is, oh, yes, you see, now the algorithm
will control everything. And so that then led to the
next phase of the era of Trump, which became the
justification for everything has to change in terms of the
Internet because of the Russian bots and the Russia collusion stuff.
Now we all know, as I said day one, that
that was a fake and gray Even though it's all
fake and gray, all of the algorithmic destroying of the
Internet stayed in place. Well, of course it did, because
that was just a pretense. The Trump nonsense was just
a pretense for the basically the destruction of the Internet
as we all knew it. And here's the funny part.
The so called bots that were influencing boomers to vote
for Trump because of little tiny squares on Facebook that
the bots were buying out of Moldova, which supposedly swung
the election. Ironically, it's the same system and establishment that
is flooding with bots everywhere, I believe to create a synthetic,
faking gray Internet. Now, what's the basic level. Yes, there's
a basic level to where your data is being sold
to push ads to sell crap to you. That's like
layer one that Normy's get to.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: If you watch a lot of YouTube videos about dead
Internet theory, it's a lot of soy normies and they're like,
it's a conspiracy to sell you stuff. Wow, mind blowing. Yeah,
data driven advertising, yeah, wow, groundbreaking. Yeah, good job soyman.
But it's really naive to think that that's the extent
of dead Internet theories accuracy and purpose. It's obviously about
perception management and swaying public opinion. Now, it's not all
the bots directed by Syncom or the government or whatever.
There's other players as well. Right, you can go hire
if you're a crypto scammer, you can hire bots to
push your scammy crypto coin. So there's a lot of
different people doing this. But the botting seems to have
basically taken over large portions of where we are now
congregate to discuss the issues, and it will also probably
be partly the justification for why we're going to have
to have this ID verification internet that's coming. And all
of the reasons that they give are not the real
reasons obviously, right. Like so, somebody asked me the day,
they said, are you going to cover the UK because
it's actually undergoing a socialist collapse? That's pretty wild. I mean,
that's actually again John Coleman conspiracy throis. I mean, he's
been right about pretty much everything. There's a couple of
things that he got wrong. Okay, he was writing in
the nineties as a boomer. Yeah, he's gonna get stuff wrong.
I don't think that what's his name, Adorno wrote all
the Beatles songs. Okay, that's over the top, But a
lot of the basics that Coleman talks about are spot on.
He said there's gonna be massive demographic are meant that
would be done by design. There would be completely open
borders eventually by design. I mean, he talked about a
lot of stuff that would be in place by twenty
twenty twenty twenty five. So he spot on about that.
I would say he gets a as in terms of
his predictive accuracy, and going back and reading some of
his nineties books about what the technocrats have planned is
really eye opening anyway. So dead Internet theory is seemingly
about half right about where we're at right now. And
there was just an article that came out a couple
of days ago that about half of the Internet traffic
they now believe is bots and that's everything. So that's
making me think, Okay, view counts, likes, ad click revenue,
like all this stuff is fake. I mean it's not
totally fake. Obviously, we do get an audience over here.
We're getting you know, consistent viewership for the most part.
But I noticed, for example, in the last two weeks
we were getting on our live streams upwards of anywhere
from thirty to fifty thousand, and now we're back down
to twenty thousand on average. So am I going to
stop using AI tools? I don't use AI tools except
for thumbnails. Is that what we're talking about? And actually,
I'm kind of getting tired. I thought it was funny
to make the preachers on the AI stuff, but I'm
kind of tired of that now, so I might actually
not use that. I do like listening to these spy
things and the jabs funk. But let me play you
a little bit of this and then we're going to
open it up. Don't worry.
Speaker 4: Online network called internet.
Speaker 1: That's little mark with the A, and.
Speaker 5: An online network called Internet that's little mark.
Speaker 1: With the A, and then the ring around it. At
see that's what I said.
Speaker 2: Case said she thought it was about Yeah.
Speaker 5: Really, it's a revolution on the Internet, the way that
these people are getting the information out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it certainly is. And the incentives of platforms are
entirely towards censorship, towards taking posts down.
Speaker 7: Every Australian will be locked out of the Google account,
the Yahoo account, their Microsoft account until they verify their age, which.
Speaker 1: Now this is what's going on in the UK Commonwealth
Dominion lens. They're pushing the ID verification in order to
save the children. Yeah right, I mean, the establishment flooded
the whole world with degeneracy on purpose, but now we're
supposed to believe they care about the h the same
people behind Jeff Stein mcaffort, you suddenly care about children. No, No,
this is to uh, basically get rid of the Internet
as we know it. So this is all part of
dead Internet theory, absolutely, and the bodying and the AI
fakeness is also going to be part of the excuse. So,
in other words, the assistant the establishment releases this junk.
Now everything gets fake and gray. Oh, we don't know.
Boomers can't tell if you know. Tupac and Elvis are
standing on the moon in an AI photo with Lebron
James and it looks real, and the Boomers are confused, Oh,
is that really Lebron on the moon? How did get
him up there? AI? Dude, it's not real, Boomer. Lebron
doesn't have seventeen fingers on his left hand. But you
see what I'm saying, problem reaction solution. They cause the
nonsense and then provide the solution that they wanted the
whole time. It's the classic establishment move. So when everybody
bitches about the free and open Internet because of the
bodying and because of the flooding of the AI slop everywhere,
which eventually will get sophisticated enough to where it does
look real. I mean, right now, it's just fooling like boomers. Right,
But Eventually it's going to get to where you really
can't tell probably, and that will again just be the
justification to say, well, we don't know what's real what's
not real? Internet, I guess we're gonna have to have
everybody prove through identity verification and give us all your
data and information, and we'll also shut you out when
you say something mean. That's coming as well. You see,
so you notice that each phase of this stuff is
just leading to more of what they wanted to begin with.
Does that make sense? So advertising and algorithms in twenty
eleven with Faceburg, the next stage being the twenty sixteen
massive algorithmic changes that Google does because Donald Trump won
the election from Russian bots, all of which was fag
and made up but still is in place. And also
the coordinated including intelligence agencies working together with Facebook, YouTube,
Twitter to shut down anybody criticizing koof That was another
phase that was all admitted. Remember the Twitter files, Twitter leaks,
all that stuff that was all real. That was just
one tip of the iceberg, and it was the Atlantic
Council telling Facebook shut all this stuff down, which was
just NATO and all the goobers, the goons. So now
we're in the next phase, which appears to be the
rolling out of what the dead Internet theory people predicted,
which is wasn't I don't think action was going on
in twenty sixteen, but is more accurately what's happening in
twenty twenty five. Right, So maybe not twenty sixteen, but
twenty twenty six is where this is really coming to
fruition and now pretty much anytime you search, unless you
really alter and choose what and specify with tools what
you're searching, it's just you don't get anything. You just
get AI generated crap, and the AI literally is wrong
half of the time, and it doesn't matter how many
times they like roll out like version five versions. I
don't use chat GBT, I use GROC though Grock still
gets basic shit wrong. The only thing that Grock has
helped me do is like tech stuff. It has been
helpful for that, like actually making all this stuff hook
up and work in here, which was a kind of
a hassle. It's basically the only thing that it's done
for me. In shitification, that's right, that's the term everybody's
using for They're turning the Internet into basically a giant
pile of shit on purpose, presumably for this. I think
he's quite incredible, Like it's unbelievable.
Speaker 8: Actually, the Internet as we know it is dying. Remember
when the Internet was a gold mine of discovery. Every
click led somewhere new random websites surprised us, brought us together,
and gave us joy. Each corner of the web felt
alive with human creativity. But now we're trapped on the
same four to five websites. Half our conversations are with bots.
We can't even identify our feeds overflow with chat TPT
generated content. Everything looks real, but nothing feels human anymore.
Speaker 1: Also, the reliance on these stupid AI things is making
people dumb, especially the younger people, because they're now raised
on this and they actually just default to it. And
we started seeing this a year ago, two years ago,
maybe even with people relying on this in debates. Right,
even that idiot feminist, the worst debater of all time,
not so erudite, literally reads the chat GBT responses in
a debate. Misfit patriot reading the chat GBT responses in debate,
just like the gaytheists that I debated, They do the
same thing. So this is like literally making people completely stupid.
They but they think this is an authority.
Speaker 8: The dead Internet theory originated on a Gora Rhodes Macintosh
cafe where anonymous users compiled evidence of what they believe
destroyed the golden days of the Internet. According to the theory,
the Internet died somewhere around twenty sixteen. What replaced it
was a manufactured reality where algorithms dictate what we see,
serving us sanitized content designed to maximize ad revenue. Online
conversations with humans became conversations with bos and now with
generative AI. Even the content itself is fake, written by machines,
not people. The endgame is control. Corporations and governments use
this artificial ecosystem to manipulate our purchases, reshape our political beliefs,
and enforce conformity. They manufacture consensus, making us doubt.
Speaker 1: That's the key. The main purpose is eventually to try
to manufacture consensus, especially perception management and nudging basically, but
not human nudging like Cas Sunsein talked about fifteen years ago,
but bought nudging and kind of pushing people. And that's
why I'll give you an example. I never ever use the
for you ever, and I always tell people do not
use the for you, because it's literally designed according to
the Silicon Valley people themselves in their books. Right. We
just did a analysis of Jaron Lanier's book who helped
design some of the stuff that he wrote. When Jamie
read it and we did a discussion on that. He
said that Silicon Valley is literally run by a cult
that believes that they will create a fake god AI
and people will believe it and they'll run the cult.
And then when you understand the game, be Teal and
Durial pallunteer, I forget the other one. All this Lord
of the Rings stuff. They think they're gonna be like
the feudal lords over the Normis and the dummies that
are going to worship their AI god in their megacities
tech dystopia. Now, as you guys know, we cover predictive
programming in Hollywood a lot. I was not shocked, but
also I was enlightened and I thought it was very interesting.
When I watched Alien Earth. I don't know if you
guys know, but everybody's talking about the newest installment of
the Alien series, which is now a show on FX.
It's really good. I mean, I usually don't like sci
fi because it's almost always just the most soy programming
that's actually pretty good, not even because of like, oh
sci fi, a little bit of Flyer out in space
would be gay no, no, because of the themes. So if
you've watched the first few episodes of Alien Earth, you
notice that it's a future where the world is no
longer nation states, but it's actually divided up by five
or six corporations. So instead of countries, you have whalen Utani,
you have the Prodigy Corporation. I forget the other ones,
but the theme of the series is the battle between
the Prodigy Corporation and the whale in Utani Corporation. WHI
Jack's a pretty fascinating way to take the you know,
alien franchise narrative. So it's pretty good. But what's interesting
is that it's a battle between AI and synthetic humans
and androids and then the bioengineering works of Whale and Utanni.
So Whale Utani is not as interested in AI and androids.
They want to focus on the bio engineering stuff. Anyway,
I just thought it was really fascinating that, oh, the
corporate elites want six global countries that are six corporations
and that's the future, not the nation state. Could you imagine, like,
like I said, what did the Pope of the future predict?
The Pope of the future predicted living in a Walmart. Listen,
if I'm gonna have to live in a corporation city,
please don't be Walmart. What I don't know. I got
to think about what corporation I want to live in,
because it's all going to be pretty fake and gay anyway.
So let's get back to this because it just reminded
me of the tech overlords, and they're basically they want
to create this sci fi dungeons and dragons LARPing world
where they're the dungeon masters.
Speaker 8: Our own thoughts when they don't match the popular opinion
we see online. But that popular opinion it might not
even be human. Here's the number that should terrify you.
Bots now make up half of all Internet traffic, with
human activity dropping every year. Some bots are helpful. You've
probably chatted with Reddit bots or discord bots, designed to
moderate content or answer questions. These are the friendly faces
of automation, but they're increasingly becoming the minority. The Internet
is drowning in malicious bots. Anonymous, untraceable and multiplying rapidly.
They're not here to help, They're here to manipulate.
Speaker 1: We're going to go to open calls in a second.
If you disagree, you go to the headline. We're gonna
watch a little bit of this though, So please guys,
how come too has patience anymore? Patients?
Speaker 8: Relax, damn and deceive. In Ireland, the situation is even worse.
Bad bots account for seventy one percent of all Internet traffic.
Nearly three quarters of their internet isn't even human. They're
even here in the YouTube comments, this bot is claiming
it makes two hundred and thirty thousand dollars every four weeks.
Nineteen other bots replied, all claiming similar success. Click on
any profile. There's zero subscribers, zero posts. Account created three
days ago, some were made just nine hours ago. This
is a bot network, one person running dozens of fake accounts,
programming the bots to talk to each other to create
an illusion of credibility. And while it may be easy.
Speaker 1: To spot, Brada, why you didn't agree with me? Brada,
we were run to barrago. Do not read Damn, sir, sir,
why did you do that? Why did you do that
where where Mister Nobody forty somethings, What is your favorite
TV show? Tell me about The Wire. I haven't watched
The Wire, I don't think unless I watched it a
long time ago, and I don't remember. No, that was
some other Canadian series about spies and informants and drug lords.
So I know everybody's told me to watch The Wire
has never gotten around to it. Favorite TV show? I mean,
I have a several that I really enjoy. Community was
really funny. It was a lot smarter and funnier than
I expected. I mean, The Office is funny, it's a classic.
Psych is one of my favorites. It's a really smart show.
Mystery Science Theater is a classic. Riff Tracks is funny,
Twin Peaks. Yeah, so those are some of the ones
I like. I'm sure there's more of that that I'm
just not remembering. I feel like a Parks and Rec
is funny. Sopranos a classic anyway, so it's always sunny
and Philadelphia really funny. Have you watched mister Robot?
Speaker 9: I did.
Speaker 1: I watched, and I thought it was really good, predictive programming,
really insightful, but then when it turned into like the
open gay scenes. I was like, I don't want to
see gay sex, so I just turned it off. Never
seen Sons of Anarchy, I don't I'm not into bikers
and biking. Shit's weird to me. A Panini two bounds,
Ai test Tube, Gub Gub, snail Man, Brave, New World Time.
That's where we're going. Dude, you got it right there,
Nemo Liberty two dollars? Do you think that Leslie Wexner
is possessed for real? Baddybuck Well? I mean he says
that in the interviews. I believe him a buying Isaac
five dollars. Jay, I'm wondering if you've seen Fraser.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 1: I mean I am aware of Fraser like I was
in the nineties. In the two thousands, I never really
thought Kelsey Grammar and that whole vibe was very funny.
I mean, I'm willing to maybe go back and give
it a chance. In my experience, a lot of nineties
things don't hold up very well. Some things do. There's
a handful of things that even from the eighties kind
of hold up as funny. I mean, Michaelcaine and Steve
Martin and during rutten Scoundrels is still funny to me.
I did watch season one of Ozark, believe it or not.
I've never seen Breaking Bad. I like Vince Gilligan. Oh,
X Files. X Files is one of my favorites all
the time, obviously, so I really enjoy it because Vince
Gilligan is X Files. But I never watched. I just
didn't get it. I was busy when Breaking Bag came out.
I think I was in undergrador grad school trying to
finish up so and have time to watch a lot
of TV shows. I have to say, man, I I
mean Community, it's almost as funny. Community for me is
probably equal to the Office. I mean there's some really
funny Community episodes. And the thing about Community is like
you'll be thinking about it, you know, like months later,
and you'll be like you'll be quoting Chang or you'll
be quoting Ahbed. And I mean I never thought Pierce.
I never really thought chevy Chase was funny because it's
Boomer era. But again, I promise you, because he's the Boomer, right,
chevy Chase is like the ultimate Boomer, and they make
Boomer jokes all the time about chevy Chase. So there
is a super chat option. What are you talking about?
You can superchat me with stream labs it's pinned in
the link, or you can super chat natively through YouTube
people who are super chatting right at this moment, so
there is a super chet link. I've never seen Trailer
Park Boys, so I've heard that's funny. I've heard that
The Shield is good. Never watched The Shield. Oh the Americans,
that's one of my favorite shows. True Detective seasons one
and two are great. I watched season one of Madmen
is okay. I just kind of it was kind of boring.
I'm willing to give season two a little more another
shot to see if I get get more into it.
But I mean, I liked the setting and the idea
and the writing and all that with Don Draper in
that character, and I'm aware of the arc of the
character and where he ends up when it ends with
the sixties hippie stuff. But yeah, we've got a lot
of trailer park I take that back, Hubert, You're right.
I did like Chevy Chase in the Vacation movies. Those
were fun. I did watch that in the eighties and
in the nineties. But outside of that, like I remember
watching Fletch when I was like twelve, and I thought
it was funny. But then I watched Fletch when I
was in my twenties and I was like, this is
not funny. So a lot of eighties stuff just doesn't
carry over to the day. Do I like Coen Brothers movies? Yeah,
there are several good Coen Brothers movies. I mean, the
first one with Francis McDorman is a really good one.
Their first movie about the the hit that goes wrong.
You know, Fargo's good, No Country, All Men's good. I
used to like Barton Fink, but it's a little too depressing.
They've got some good comedies too, so I was kind
of looking forward to the new Cohen Brothers movie too,
except that except for that was like, oh, so that's
like Aubrey Plaza is playing a lesbian there, and it
kind of looks like righteous Jym Sounes too, So it's like, yeah, anyway,
I don't know how we got on movies, but Albert
spend five dollars. I feel like Alien Earth. You might
like Altered Carbon. A lot of people have said that
I just haven't had time to really to get into
all of these different shows, and a lot of shows.
If they don't really catch me the first few episodes,
it's difficult for me to force myself through the rest
of it. Yeah, Idiocracy is great. It's prophetic for sure.
House I watched a few episodes at House, but it
was never gotten into it. Aiden Clark, have you seen
three ten to? Yeah, of course, Yeah, it's a good remake.
I liked it. I don't even like Westerns. I think
they're super boring, but I do like there's like two
or three Westerns, and I like that's one of them. Jacob
coveyed ten dollars. I've been trying to tell my cousin
and show him that in literature about how our free
will is being subverted. He doesn't believe society's controlled in
other words, culture, entertainment, geopolitics. Well, I mean, so if
people can't read HG. Wells's Short Little Books and Bertrand
russell Short Little books to see that they're admitting it.
You know, if he's not going to listen to them
in the books, then he's not going to listen to you,
So you might as well just move on. Nick Boucci
became a member for six months. What's up, Nick, where's
the video you and Jamie talking about the Silicon Valley
Guy on her page or your page? The Silicon Valley Guy. Oh,
you're talking about the jarn Lenny a book. It's the
last stream that Jamie was on with me with Anti
Christ and Peter Teal. That's it. I forget the way
I titled something on Anti Christ Peter Teal something. It
might be a member's talking, don't remember. That's it, though,
Aliens two dollars. Do you have any thoughts on the
Roadblocks child PDF drama. I don't know anything about Roadblocks.
I just heard somebody saying that there's creepers in there
talking to kids. But I don't even know what it is.
It's a game that is it like Minecraft or something?
But the new version of Minecraft? I mean I get.
I mean like, I'm not surprised. I don't know what
to say. Are they just trying to meet up with kids?
Have you seen any of the John lecar A films, Bro,
We've done podcasts on all those, so yeah, of course,
Spy came in from the cole Tinker Taylor most Wanted man.
I mean, we've done shows on all these. It's a
poor kids minecraft second life for toddlers. People need, parents
need to get more sophisticated and realize what their kids
are involved in. That's what I think everybody. People are
like opting into the state deciding what's good for your kids. Like,
where are the parents like policing their children's Internet time? Okay,
we don't need socialist, fabian socialist governments in the UK
deciding what your kids see and don't see, which really
means that fabian socialist techmocratic government will decide what everybody sees.
That's what that means, because they hate your kids. They
want your kids gone. They're not protecting your kids. It's
you idiots, moral oddist five dollars. Do you think bots
buy super chats or is that a line they won't cross?
I don't know about that, but I do know that
people have shown. I think that what's obvious that on Twitter,
some of the bots we're figuring out, or the people
running the bots were figuring out that verified accounts that
are bots are actually worth it because you get higher
up in the algorithm. So in that sense, yes, I
don't know that I've ever been super chatted from a bot,
though osmodic Where can I find a Russia Ukraine breakdown.
I've done several. There was one I did on John
Meersheimer lecture. Just search my channel Russia Ukraine. I mean
we've done probably three, four or five. I've done interviews
with Patrick Henningson. I mean we've probably covered that maybe
five to ten times in the last few years. Six
of spades, twenty dollars. I'm a bot buying a super chat. Well,
there you go, right there, there's your bot, Jake Uigbate
five dollars. Your legacy will prevail, especially the tools and
the Knowledgy provide hope to meet up with you in
real life. Been listening for a decade. Well, guys, won't
remind you that we do have a live event coming up.
The Ledwell conference has sold out all two hundred tickets
sold out there, but we will have our own conference
in November, and it's right here and doctor David Patrick
Harry just joined us for this conference. He will be
speaking as well myself, Father Digan, and as Father Vladimir,
Metropolitan Jonah Jamie my wife, and I think another priest
that I'm not familiar with, and then I think Father
Vladimir is going to invite so This will be the
Athens and Jerusalem Conference. As you know, that's a famous
quote from her Tertullian, what hath Athens to do with Jerusalem?
And we will be discussing the relationship between Orthodox philosophy,
art and life, and that will be everything from aesthetics, iconography, living, apologetics,
all of that. And it's a two day conference. This time,
it's a bigger event. We will have a larger church. Actually,
we're going to be busting on another wall at our church.
This is the second wall that we're busting out because
we're growing, We're busting at the seams and we actually
think that we can accommodate more people now as a result.
So I'll put this link in the chat November. When
is this November twenty first and twenty second two day conference.
We had our first conference earlier this year and it
was a lot of fun. I think we had about
sixty seventy people come to our first conference. Fda came down.
I don't think he'd ever been to Florida, so it's
his first time down here. And me, Father Deacan and Ayas,
Father Theodore, and Father Vladimir all gave talks in a
single day conference. We met a lot of the new
perspective inquirers and catechumens in this area of Florida. A
lot of fun. But this will be a larger, two
day conference and we will have Bishop Jonah as well,
so it's also a little more prestigious. Hopefully we can sell.
We'd like to try to get to one hundred and fifty,
but we'll take one hundred hundred and twenty if we can.
But the reason it's a little bit more is because
it is a two day conference. It's not a single
day conference. But if you're interested in Orthodoxy, this is
for you. Also, I'm not going to say anything, but
I did talk to a Protestant that you all know,
and no not giving any names or any hints, but
there are some some Protestants that are interested in Orthodoxy
that you might know, and who knows, maybe they'll show
up at this conference. And so good things are coming.
Good news. Remember that I will be up at the
Ledwell conference, but unfortunately it's sold out. But I think
there might be other events and other dinners and whatnot
that you might be able to come chill and I
will have books, so even if you're not able to attend,
the Ledwell conference. But if you did want to come
get books or get signed things, I can probably still
accommodate that, even if I can't get you into the
Ludwell conference because it's sold out. So anyways, there's the
tickets there, and we've got this one planned way ahead
of time. Instead of six weeks like I usually do,
this one is three months ahead. Let's see what else
is going on. Let me make sure I'm not missing
Ciba Chenets, but Nantium Emperor three dollars. Do you think
multiverse movies are being pushed as social engineering? Yes, I
did two live streams on this. I think when I
covered Doctor Strange, the last Doctor Strange multiverse madness. That's
the very thing I said in that podcast. Recent quote,
science has moved away from Big Bang and they're pushing
towards ex nilo creation, so they've had to pivot towards Yeah.
In fact, I think even with John Adams, and you
know we used to do podcasts, we were doing Afternoon
Commune podcast with John Adams like ten years ago, and
we were talking about how quantum theory and multiverse is
metaphysics for atheists. So that's exactly what's going on. Tribe
call Jake twenty dollars. Did you see the Waco mini
series of Michael Shannon. No, I've not seen that. I
didn't know about that. It's one of my favorites. Well,
I will say that I'm not a huge fan of
Michael Shannon.
Speaker 11: But.
Speaker 1: He's in John McCarey's Little Drummer Girl series about Masad,
which is really good.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And Florence Pugh plays the sort of m k ultra
Delta sex kitten that's recruited into that. It's a great
John leccarray series that they upgrade or that they updated
to make it more present day, and he gets into
the sort of engineered dialectic between you know, the Palestinian
conflict and the time when they were being courted by
Soviet socialist ideology and then the neocons and the Masad
and all that. It's a really great spy series, Tinker Taylor,
excuse me, Little Drummer Girl, which is a John leacray novel.
But I did a podcast on that, and of course
nobody watches these podcasts, Like everybody, all you guys that
tell me the movie and the show to do, We've
done it. But maybe because a lot of those I
did when the channel was one fourth or one fifth
the size it is now. Maybe it's time to revisit these.
Maybe it's time to start going back into doing you know, Eyes,
Watchhut and Alien and you know, some of these classics.
I might do that eight and Clark two dollars something
about watching Star Wars. Is it worth it? Yeah? The
first three Star Wars. I mean, well, I say the
first three, but you know what I mean four or
five and six, which those are great, they're classics. Just
be sure and watch the sort of the original you know,
the ones that aren't with the CGI updates and all that.
That stuff's trash. But yeah, I think you can't. You know,
before Disney got a hold of it, it wasn't garbage.
They're great movies. It's it's sad that they created such
a soy ethos and then Disney took it over and
just destroyed it. But that's all probably by design, you know,
to make everything just fake and gay. But yeah, I
would absolutely. In fact, I don't think we've ever actually
done Star Wars on this channel, so maybe it's time
to actually do I don't even know if I would
do these new ones. I mean, I mean, I might
even defend the Christian Hayden Christiansen ones. I mean they're
they're dumb, but they're actually still kind of fun. But
after that, it's just like, I mean, Rogue one is
okay as a movie, the Han Solo one, it was
all right, I guess. But I have to to say
though that Jeremy Piven, he did pretty good with Mandalorian.
Mandalorian is not bad, but anything else is pretty rough.
Dude's pretty fake gay, But yes, absolutely, Like you know,
Star Wars, Impress X Back and Return of the Jedi,
I mean, just from a like a movie perspective, you know,
they're some of the most important greatest works of art
in terms of movies. For sure. I'll have to check out.
What are your thoughts on Waco given the Michael Shannon drama.
I mean, I was watching all of Alex's Waco documentaries,
so you know, I'm definitely I'm definitely I feel sorry
for the people, and I think that definitely the Feds
overstept their boundaries and they were definitely wanting to do
a show of force and be tyrannical. But also that
I think that's a crazy could obviously, but a lot
of people don't know this, but Alex actually raised money
to help them rebuild their church. Do you guys know
that back at the time. Uh So, even though David
Krush is kind of a quack and an insane, prelessed,
maxed out cult leader, like the FEDS also went nuts there,
Ruby Ridge, I don't know a whole lot about, but
I would imagine also probably the FEDS overstept their boundaries.
And but it's also hard to know with a lot
of these these prepper, sovereign citizen, radical anti ebobo people,
Like I understand the motivations and they're their thinking process,
but also like there's something about like like what's realistically
possible and not realistically possible, you know what I mean?
Like to take these kinds of actions like that, it's
just sort of dumb. It's just like it's like, if
I fly over to Saudi Arabia right now and I
start preaching in the streets, could I convert anybody to Christ? Maybe?
Is it worth it? It's probably not the most the
wisest course of action, do you see what I'm saying? Like,
I think a lot of this stuff just takes wisdom,
you know what I mean and unwise. Radical actions usually
don't do much. Does that make sense what I'm trying
to say? And also a lot of times these people
are coaxed into radical action by other creeper, idiot fed groups,
like the whole McVeigh Elaheim city that was all run
by a bunch of Feds, and I don't believe the
official okay see thing. But at the same time, it's like,
what am I trying to say? Cults thrive on times
of upheaval and uncertainty, and people are very naive about
how the world works, and so they get preyed upon
by these things, and not just cults but also FEDS,
and they get enticed and entrapped and lured into radical
action because people are dumb, and there's an ending supply
of dummies who will engage in these actions. And it's
interesting because more and more people are becoming aware of this.
You would think, at least I tend to think that
because of what I see on the Internet. And then
I mean nowadays, like you've got all the face lords
calling everybody's calling everybody a fed, which is funny because
you didn't used to see that, right that was like
you go back to two thousand and seven era, and like,
you know, you're in Ron Paul Info Wars forums and
you're seeing Ron Paul supporters talking about the Federal Reserve,
and then you're seeing people talk about Zionism, and there
everybody's calling everybody FEDS. And that was a very niche
thing for people calling everybody FEDS. And now like the
face lords of the alternative media, everybody's calling everybody fed.
So it's just weird a weird time. But like when
I look at assuming that I'm not seeing bots everywhere,
which it could be. That's what I'm trying to say
about today. It's hard to know now what's real and
it's not. But like people don't seem to have gained
much discernment when it comes to who they choose to
follow and who their face lords are. I love that term,
right for for just people that you see on on
thumbnails everywhere all of a sudden, it's like, you know,
for a while there, Jordan Peterson was like king face lord,
like you just saw him on every freaking thumbnail everywhere
for years. And now we have a new crop of
face lords, so fanatics and ideologues and young dumb people
who are idealistic are very ripe for these things, and
they don't. They don't they haven't lived enough to see
that the world isn't really shaped by that kind of stuff.
You don't really change the world. You got to kind
of be young, dumb, and delusional to think that your
little movement or your radical action or you're protesting is
actually going to change the world. And usually by the
time you're thirty or forty, you've kind of wised up,
or you've become the cult leader who then right shapes
and molds the young minds who are young and dumb
into that kind of action. So I don't know, I'm
just kind of I'm yap rambling now, but it's hard
not to yap ramble when people kind of ask complicated
questions of like what do you think about Waco and
Ruby Ridge. I mean, I can criticize both sides of that.
And I've also seen, you know again, I was on
the ground watching and helping somebody do a documentary on
the Bundy Ranch, not the Bunny Ranch, the Bundy Ranch stuff,
and I saw how the FEDS and people like run
these operations. They're very elaborate, they're very they're done in
stages they're done even over years.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 1: And that was all done to undermine the lands rights
movement and it worked, and it worked because average normal
people don't understand how people are co opted and entrapped
and used, and they probably never will. And every few
years there's a new batch of young dummies who are
ripe for the same fall. And it's just like at
the time, I was like, yeah, I would stay away
from Seaville and did all the right wing or what
were the right Oh, you're a fed, look at his
nine diars a fed. He won't come support the right wing.
But I was like, I wouldn't go anywhere near Seaville.
Who was right?
Speaker 12: Oh?
Speaker 1: I was? But here we are years later, Oh and
I'm still the Fed. I'm still the even though I
have like an awesome track record in calling this stuff,
not everything, I'd say, like a ninety five percent track
record about this kind of stuff. Do people listen No,
they want to listen to all the other face lords. Well,
good luck with all that. And to me, it just
says like, Okay, just have fun. Lacking discernment, you get
what you It's kind of like in bitcoin, like eventually
you kind of get reconciled to like, I'm not going
to convince everybody a bigcoin. I'm not going to convince
everybody Orthodoxy, who's Protestant, a Roman Catholic. It's like, at
a certain point you just say you stop, you say
go your way. Also, I think that's a level of
maturity that a lot of people don't have in the
sense of and I think this is in the Orthodox
world too. It's a part of the Orthodox for an ema,
not that you don't care, but it's sort of like
people have free will. You can't incessantly mind control and
control people who can Orthodox. If people aren't interested in
you and they don't want what you're talking about, they
don't want your ideas and your message, you just move on.
And sometimes it's difficult because you know you care about people,
but like at the same time, it's like, but I
gotta I gotta have boundaries, and I gotta set and
draw lines. And that's something that comes with age and maturity.
That's something Peterson too talked about that I think is
he's correct about. If you watch any of the Jordan
Peterson clips on setting boundaries with people, whether it's family, work, relationships,
internet like that's all really uh solid stuff. Uh yeah,
I just I mean, I'm not I I understand the
phases also of people waking up to stuff and then
it's like, oh, we were lied to. Maybe Tiny Mustache
Man's a good guy. I don't believe that. And I
did six hours of debates with the Tiny Mustache men
followers a few months ago on Twitter, had a lot
of views, and the arguments were just there was only
one guy who had actually had any historical knowledge. The
recipes were just completely retarded. So like at the end
of the day, if you do debates a lot, it's
pretty easy to kind of spot pretty quickly whether or
not you're dealing with somebody who knows what they're talking
about or they're just arrogant retards. And I don't have
a whole lot of time and patients for just incessantly
arrogant retards all the time. So sometimes the best medicine
for people is for them to get what they want.
Jub two dollars. I dropped a new j clip about
Heraclidean philosophy and flux. Oh that's perfect, Thank you, Jub.
Everybody check out jub Jiub's channel. He's got a lot
of great Rick clips on there a lot of my clips,
but also a lot of other people too. Roll Stake
twenty dollars. Looking back at twenty twenty, what do you
think about all the information that was leaked through alternative
media about the mainstream media saying that the koof came
out of China as a conspiracy. Was that something EMJ
was talking about. I don't even know, honestly, Like, I
don't know that everybody was like trying. I'm sure everybody
was trying to spin it into their own ideological narratives.
And so if people who were neo Kon's, you know,
for them, China is the only threat and not Israel,
it's like they're gonna say, oh, it's all about China,
China's attacking us and this and that. I mean, I
just don't think it's that big of a deal. Like
every people all this geopolitical stuff, and that may sound
odd because I talk a lot about geopolitics, but at
the end of the day, no, I don't think China's
like the I mean, there was a Chinese element because
obviously Wuhan is there and all this, but lab leak,
who knows, Like I mean, I know that the supposed
of the CAA has admitted that it was a lab
leak and all that, but I mean they pretty much
work together with these entities. I don't really think at
the top there's a huge disagreement between the elites in
America and China. Cyrus Potama five dollars. Do you remember
what the live stream was with the tiny It was
a x space, It wasn't livestream. You can't have a
five hour debate on YouTube about that, dude. It's on
I think that's now on my rock Fin. So if
you go to my rock Fin, it's somewhere on there.
It's like a five hour debate with all these goobers
on Twitter. Is wrapp through two dollars? Your hair is
looking fine today, sir? Oh, it's kind of gay, but
I'll let it pass. Eight and Clark two dollars? What's
the best YouTube channel? What is the best way to
get a YouTube channel going ooh? I mean if you
were just starting, that's a tough question because I mean
I started my clips channel a couple years ago, and
I mean it was kind of difficult to get to
ten thousand even on the clips channel.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: That's a tough one. Because YouTube just keeps kind of
changing every few months. It's like there's a new vibe
and everything's changing, and I don't know, I don't even
know how to answer that. I've heard they're moving away
from repeat content, but I don't know because I see
other people's clips channels doing well, so maybe that's not
the case. But like, last couple of clips I've uploaded
don't even hit a thousand. This one hit three thousand,
but I mean this one was difficult to even get
to ten thousand followers. So honestly, don't know. I hate
to be to not give you a good answer, but
like make quality content, yeah, I mean it depends on
whether you're doing a clips channel, a reaction channel, or
your own unique content. If you're doing your own unique content,
I would just start by, you know, making ten to
twenty minute videos talking into the camera. You don't even
have to use a whole lot of production value needs
to be you know, ten eighty and all that, and
that will probably get you going. And then if you
you know, begin to build an audience, and you can,
if you can talk for multiple hours and keep people engaged,
then maybe you could start, you know, doing live streams.
And that kind of stuff. So it really depends on
what you want to do with your channel and what
your channel wants to be. But it seems like people
who do nische stuff they seem to do well. My
channel is really old, like I was, I've been on
YouTube since two thousand and seven or somewhere somewhere in there.
Pretty old eight two thousand and eight maybe, so I
don't know how it would work with a brand new channel.
But it also again depends on what topics you're planning
to cover. But it seems like some people say that
you you have a better chance of growing. I don't
know if this is true, but people say you have
a better chance of growing if you are niche. So
in other words, if you're really good at your little niche,
that might grow faster as long as it's a popular nish, right,
I mean, if it's like, you know, gay underwater seal training,
that's probably not many people. So, although that actually probably
will take off because everything is so crazy, somebody will
said Rimmy one hundred dollars. Wow, thank you man, he's
winning the super chat battle today. Jay. I want to
thank you for helping me come to the faith. I
was catechized largely due to your talks and debates. Thanks man,
that's great to hear. What's your favorite psalm or proverb?
I like, I mean, I go through Proverbs pretty consistently.
In fact, I just restarted a jaunt through the Proverbs,
so I will listen to Proverbs on audio. I mean,
there's a lot of chapters that are great chapters. The
early chapters up to like seven that deal with like
hose and thoughts are great. They're classics. Proverbs eleven is
a great chapter, fifteen is a great chapter. There's a
lot of great psalms. I mean, Psalm two is a classic,
you know. Psalm thirty two is great. Psalm fifty slash
fifty one is great for repentance. Obviously we sing it
all the time and prayed all the time the Orthodox
liturgy and prayers. Psalm one ten is great. I mean,
there's there's a lot of classic songs. The penitential songs
are also good. So it kind of depends on the
mood and what's going on in your life in terms
of like what are the appropriate songs. Brendan Turner five
dollars Independent media quote unquote. Push is ground news ads
are the most incoherent people ever. I don't even know
what that is, but I think you're saying that it's
like fake independent media with corporate ads and backing. They
are in real time advocating against themselves. Big Daddy Bill
Gates tells me who is who? Oh? Oh, that's like
the Bill Gates fake independent media. Okay, that's Bill Gates's
fake verification will tell you who the authorities are. Yeah,
Sage five dollars drum show by twenty one Pilot's analysis
drum Show. I think you'll love it, Jay, Okay, I'll
check a look at that. I don't know what that is.
That is that like anime? I always get anime requests?
IMT Drives. Did you hear about the Matt Powell video? Yes?
You I read your super chat earlier. You knew him
in high school. He made an anti Orthodox video. Yeah.
We don't spend a whole lot of time replying to
every low tier Protestant thing because it's just never ending.
Aid and Clark five dollars think about doing true horror,
conspiracy and mystery and history for YouTube. Oh, that's what
you're thinking about doing true horror, conspiracy, mystery and history. Yeah,
except that you could probably do better off with true
crime and mystery and history because YouTube is not gonna
favor true conspiracy. I don't think that's gonna be favored
in the algorithm, but you can, you can definitely experiment
with it. But the other stuff sounds sounds like it
could work. Okay, let's open it up because I've been
yapping for a long time and we did get through
some of the stuff I wanted to talk. I've been
wanted to talk about the dead Internet stuff really the
last two weeks of streams. I'll give you this girl's
video here. She looks like she has overall pretty good content.
I've not watched all of her stuff. I've watched maybe
two or three of her videos. Vanessa. She's got a
good video on all this AI stuff being bad. Also,
look at the video that Jamie and I did on
this where we covered her analysis of Peter Till's book,
I mean Jaron lannie A's book. But we also covered
a lot of what Peter Teal talks about. Where was
it at? I might have made it a members talk
I think I did, because it got it got demonetized.
M hmmm, Where's it at? Maybe I didn't even maybe
it's maybe it is public. Still where is it at? Man?
Is it so hard to find stuff on YouTube?
Speaker 13: Dude?
Speaker 1: This is crazy? Oh here it is technocracy, peer till
on Antichrist. This is it. And there's the dude right there,
there's your wook, your wook that tells you about the
AI cult. All right, let's open it up here. Let's
see who's in line. Terry, what's up, Terry? Terry? Yaqui,
what's up? Terry?
Speaker 14: You?
Speaker 1: I'm you.
Speaker 2: Yo?
Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, hey, big fan.
Speaker 15: Always if you've been on the internet, page is the goat?
I was just wondering, Uh, is going to a Serbian
Orthodox fight? I just heard there was like some Acumenist
things and.
Speaker 3: Whatever with it?
Speaker 1: Do what say it? Again?
Speaker 15: Is going to a Serbian Orthodox church?
Speaker 2: Fine?
Speaker 1: I mean you could there can potentially be good and
bapteople anywhere, so I mean there might be Ecumenists at
a row Court church. I mean there's no perfect jurisdiction,
so I would just check out all your.
Speaker 15: Options, okay. And I just said one more question. Yeah,
I can sort of barely like break into the theology
talks because I'm so lit all that, uh, and can't
really like discern between things really, but like for example,
your series refuting the Orientals with Kai and David, but
then like Agent, the Oriental Dude, THEYD a lot of
response videos to all four of them, So it's just
hard for me to discern. Would you ever like debate
Agent or even like the true Orthodox I'm still discerning
between that those guys.
Speaker 1: No, it's not really worth my time to do that,
but I appreciate your question. I would just take your
time with trying to suss out this stuff. Isaac, what's up?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what's up? What's up?
Speaker 16: I don't know if you're already. I asked a question
the other day. It was about like the Israeli view
Gentiles and the Old Testament. I want that with you.
It's not about the Old Testament. But okay, so you
said that the Israelites had to have that view or
whatever because the gentile nations are trying to deshoy them
because they're trying to produce the Messiah or whatever.
Speaker 13: And stuff like that.
Speaker 16: But what about like in the New Testament, when like
Jesus referred to like the Canaanite.
Speaker 13: Women as like a gentile the og and stuff.
Speaker 16: And like like the only way, like he got like
he healed her daughters when she like kind of like
almost like degraded herself and like said like, oh, even
the dogs get the scraps.
Speaker 3: At the master's table.
Speaker 13: And the masters in this situation be the Jews.
Speaker 1: Obviously, Well, that's still at a period when the Church
is the nation of Israel, and so Jesus doesn't call
all Jews, irrespective of their living righteous. In fact, he
spends most of his time rebuking the Jews and actually
saying that there are gentiles that are more righteous than
the Jews. This happens multiple times the Book of Luke,
which enrages the Pharisees to want to kill and too
stone Jesus. But it is still the case that the
Pagans are also filthy pagans. So Jesus says that the Pharisees,
who are self righteous, are actually worse than the Pagans
and the sinners in the Degenerates, but he spends his
time not trying to convert Pharisees, but trying to convert
people like that. So it is still the case that
she is an unclean pagan person, but by her repentance
in her faith and her recognition of her unclean status
morally speaking, that's when she's saved. But this is still
what's called the intertestamental period. In other words, it's still
the transition phase. So the end of that covenant doesn't
occur until Jesus dies, descends into Hades, and then is
resurrected and it sins, and then it's not even until
the destruction of the temple in seventy a d. Which
Jesus predicts in Luke twenty one in Matthew four that
you have the complete finality of the Old Covenant. After
that transition period, from the time of Christ's birth until
seventy eighty, there's going to be an overlap to where,
for example, Paul in one situation, decides that it's advantageous
to circumcise Timothy just so he won't have to deal
with opposition from the Jews, and at the same time,
there's still pushing at the Council of Jerusalem Act fifteen
that it's no longer necessary to circumcise Gentiles. So that's
what's called the transition period. But after that period, if
you look at Revelations one, two, and three, Jesus makes
it very clear that rabbinic flesh. Jews are no longer
the real Jews. The Church is the spiritual Israel Galatians
six sixteen. It's what's given all the promises of Deuteronomy.
If you look at the way that Jesus in Deuteronomy
talks to the Israelites, and he says that there's blessings
and cursings, those same blessings and cursings are in Revelation
one twenty three to the seven Churches of Asia Minor.
He says, if you do this, you'll be blessed, you'll overcome,
you'll sit with me judging the world, et cetera. If
you fail, then you are subject to the curses, just
like all the nations or so in other words, it's
a both and and not in neither or.
Speaker 16: Don't you think, like I know, this is kind of different,
but it's still summary. Like when you guys call yourself
like the new Israel, like the true like this, like
this true Jews like that kind of sounds like the
Black Hebrew is or relates, you know what I mean,
Like I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a big difference there. One of them actually
fulfills the prophecies of the Old Testament of the gentile
nations coming into the Church and becoming the priests, as
Isaiah says, and as the entire New Testament says multiple
times over, versus a racial ideology that has nothing to
do with the Old Testament or the New Testament that
was invented by a bunch of black cult leaders about
sixty years ago.
Speaker 16: I mean, the Old test and it is kind of
like a racial ethno book.
Speaker 1: Again, you're you don't really I'm not trying to be
rude to you, but like you have no idea about
these topics because there's dozens of prophecies in the Old
Testament about the gentiles coming into the Church or the Covenant,
which conflicts with the Rabbinical interpretation. So you have an
assumption that the Old Testament is what Rabbinical orthodoxy says
it is and not what I.
Speaker 13: Know, you guys have a different interpretation.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's not an interpretation, it's what it is.
But it's like it's the Christian reading of the text
versus the Rabbinic reading of the text. So you're basically
just telling me that the Rabbis are correct.
Speaker 16: No, but I mean you you understand like that, like
the way like the modern Jews think, and like you know,
you always see like the Orthodox like can just people online.
Speaker 13: I was talking about like the Talmud and stuff like that,
like the way they think in.
Speaker 1: The way they the.
Speaker 16: Jews, like the way that the way they behave and
think towards gentiles, and the way they act in different nations.
Speaker 3: It doesn't come from the Talment. It comes from the
Old Testament.
Speaker 16: Like you have stuff in like the Old Testament talking
about how like Jews should like lend to other nations,
but they shouldn't borrow from the.
Speaker 1: Like that's you. That's usually no. I already already already
said that there was a time period when those things
were allowed, and then there's a time period where they're
not allowed. So what you're not understanding is who's the
focus of these these Old Testament passages, like all these
passages about the Messiah. That's the crux of the issue.
So if the Jews are right and there is no
Messiah that's come, then they can still be reading their
talmoent and their Torah the way they read it, and
they read the Torah through the lens of the Talmot,
by the way, So that's that's not false to say
that that's actually true, because there's a lot of places
in the Old Testament that the Jews don't want to
talk about. For example, they don't want to talk about
Daniel nine and the prophecies of the Messiah and Daniel nine,
and they actually curse gentiles that read that because it's
such a clear reference to the person of Christ born
at the time of the Roman Empire. So I think
that your assumption about how the Old Testament works is
again coming from this Rabbinic stance. But the Rabbinic stance
ignores all these passages about gentiles converting to the Messiah
when he comes, And wouldn't you know that's what happens
when Jesus comes. Why would there be so many passages
of the gentiles converting in the Psalms and in Isaiah
and Zachariah, even all the way back in Genesis twelve,
in the promise to Abraham that all the nations of
the earth would be blessed in his descendant. Why would
that happen if the Christians are wrong?
Speaker 16: Well, I think that Jews do think like the gentiles,
work will like come to like the real likes.
Speaker 1: I know that, But I'm saying that that Jesus fulfills
these prophecies, and they don't think that. So you guys
who are like, uh, sort of from this Paganish perspective
or whether you're making the Pagan arguments, this is from
the Pagan respective, Like, you guys don't even understand the
Biblical theology. You just cite the passages from the Rabbinic
argument and from the Rabbinic standpoint, and then you're like,
you guys aren't really faithful to the Bible because you
don't have the Rabbinic interpretation. Well, you're assuming the thing
in question, which is whether the Rabbinic interpretation is correct.
So the question then is, well, who's the Messiah? I mean,
the messiahs said to die and to come back to life.
And do you know that the Rebnag Jews say that
there's two messiahs. That's how they get around those passages.
So what sounds like, what's more likely that Jesus is
the one that fulfills the passages because he died and
he resurrected, or there's Messiah Ben Joseph and messiab and David.
There's two different messiahs.
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, I did what you're saying it just it
just feels kind of like cup there.
Speaker 13: It's like I feel like like it is a gentile.
Speaker 16: It's like you're almost like a second class, like you
get like the sloppy seconds.
Speaker 13: Like I don't know, like we were like.
Speaker 3: Called like filthy like pagan devil worshipers.
Speaker 1: Well that's because most of the gentiles were a filthy pigan.
Speaker 3: That was actually true back then. Yeah, I don't know.
It's just like I don't know.
Speaker 1: So you keep saying I don't know, I don't O
don't know, But like, what are all these passages about
the Messiah dying in Psalm twenty three some twenty two,
twenty three, you know, Isaiah fifty four, Isaiah fifty three,
like Isaiah sixty five sixty six talks about gentile priests.
What are all these passages.
Speaker 16: About they they definitely sound like Jesus for sure.
Speaker 1: Okay, So are you saying that Jesus is a Jewish conspiracy?
Is that your view?
Speaker 3: No, I don't know if I like hold that view.
It's just like I don't know.
Speaker 16: I just I just don't get like why God would
like choose like a people look supreme over others and
stuff like I don't know. I know, you think like, oh,
it's they're chosen to bring in the Messiah and stuff
like that, but I don't know, like I don't really
like that.
Speaker 1: I guess, Okay, well, then go be a pagan, like,
I mean, that's your choice. You're you have the see
if you enjoy that world and see if that works
out for you. Joshua, what's up, man, Joshua, I'm mute.
Speaker 4: That's such a Father Russell kind of way of dealing
with play with people bringing objections.
Speaker 3: He's like, Okay, maybe orthodox he isn't for you.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's like, basically the argument is I
don't like that, that's not what I want. Well, then
this is not for you. And no, I mean the
New Testament is very clear that there isn't neither June
or Gentile. So all of these arguments are hinged on
what was allowed and what God condescended to let Jews
do for survival and for the protection of the of
the production of the Messiah. And now that the Messiah's come,
it's like, well, but I don't like that he did
all that back then. It's like, well, okay.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean obviously.
Speaker 4: God because the second person in the trinity becomes incarnate,
he obviously has to be of a particular ethnicity and stuff.
So it's like, well, I don't like the region he
came from, Like, how is that? I mean the other
thing I noticed about them too, they take their criticism
of modern Talmudic rabbinical today ism just like you saw
this guy and they're really didn't go, well, the ancient
Hebrews must have been the same.
Speaker 3: So whatever problems they have.
Speaker 4: People have with Talmudic Jews, they just assume what Jews
are today must have been exactly the way they were.
Speaker 3: Back then with the ancient Hebrews.
Speaker 1: Hawaiian power. What's up?
Speaker 14: Aja?
Speaker 2: Thanks for the show today.
Speaker 3: Two part question.
Speaker 14: I was wondering, did you watch Chief of War at
all with Jason Momoa's new series on Apple TV or
have you heard of it?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 14: Yeah, so Jason Mama just got done doing like a
big budget, you know, Hawaiian history series. But to piggyback
on the former questions, it's kind of interesting that's going
on in Hawaii right now. Is there's like, because the
Protestants came here from New England and basically, you know,
converted all the Hawaiians, and now like a lot of
the Hawaiians are disillusioned with Christianity, you know, being that
they see they see it as what was like the
children horse for big American corporate interests to take over.
So a lot of the Hawaiians field, you know, dispossessed
from the land and everything else. But like you have
all these big shows come in on Chief of War
showing like the ancient gods and everything, so it almost
have like this neo Hawaiian pagan it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know the do you want to hear my
Hawaiian accent? How's it brought? How's you knows about Jason
brought us? Oh?
Speaker 14: Yes, because it's pretty good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, well that kind of best bro. Yeah no,
but you're you're correct.
Speaker 4: It's unfortunate, huh that there's this push back to the
kind of ancestral paganism that because of the Protestant problems
with Protestantism.
Speaker 3: So I totally get it. Yeah, praying for you guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, I guess I can understand like
if you were only exposed to like, you know, faking
gay Protestant Episcopal stuff or something like. Yeah, or evangelical
nonsense like it may you might want to choose something
like indigenous paganism over that, maybe because maybe it's I
don't know, but at the end of the day, like
paganism has no ethic, it's just a bunch. It's just
might makes right. So like, what what do you get
that's actually better in the pagan world? Uh? Unpopular opinion?
What's up?
Speaker 3: Hello? Can you hear me?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 3: So I am a catechuman.
Speaker 17: And my priest has recently blessed me for two weeks
living as a sort of monastic in hu In, like
a remote place, and he said that I should read
some books about some monastic saints.
Speaker 3: So do you have any recommendations of that?
Speaker 1: Uh? No, that's not my domain. You should ask him that.
But what do you mean he's blessed you for two
weeks to read? What does that mean?
Speaker 13: Oh?
Speaker 1: So, basically that seems odd for a catechumen. I don't understand.
Speaker 17: Yeah, well, I read the Life of Saint Anthony by Aphanasius.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've if.
Speaker 17: You've read that, but but yeah, since I read that,
I thought.
Speaker 3: That maybe monasticism might have been might be.
Speaker 17: My path, So I told him about that, and he said, oh, well,
you know you should test yourself, so oh you should go.
Speaker 18: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So just like it's like a test, like two
weeks sort of as a.
Speaker 17: Trial, you know, going somewhere alone, you know, And he's
told me to, you know, look into the lives of
monastic things.
Speaker 3: So I wasn't sure you know any books about.
Speaker 1: Any well, I mean Life of Saint Benedict is usually
a classic or something like like what you're already reading.
But I mean I would be catechized first before thinking
about monastic life, but not saying that that might not
be your path. But Clouds, what's up?
Speaker 9: Hello, Yeah, hey, it's not another question about knowing God.
Last time we spoke, we were sort of you mentioned
the sacraments being like the youth christen that, and I
just had a question about your subjective experience through your
journey throughout Protestantism, Catholicism, and Orthodoxy, being that the only
way to truly know God is through the true sacraments.
What exactly did you feel that you were knowing when
you were driving thro the Latin mess for several years
and what would you speculate that would be.
Speaker 1: Well, again, it's not. It's the difference between knowing about
God versus knowing God. So I can't give you any
perfect explanation of the degree of knowledge that Protestants or
Catholics have because it's not all wrong. But there's something missing,
I think is the best way to describe it. So
there's something unfulfilling and unsatisfying in the world of Protestantism
and Roman Catholicism. And there's no perfect way to encapsulate
verbally what that is. It's just something existential that you
feel in you sense and a lot of other people
sense that as well over time. And I think that's
perhaps the element to which orthodoxy transcends the conceptual and
the I can't give you the perfect verbal, abstract, conceptual
knowledge of what is the thing missing. It's just there's
just something missing. And I think really you don't get
a sense of peace until you find it in orthodoxy.
Otherwise you're all just you're always doubting and worried and
I don't know if this is right and that, and uh,
you know, I had that for many many years until
go ahead.
Speaker 3: That was a great way to put it.
Speaker 4: It's a distinction between knowing God and knowing about God.
And I remember Metropolitan Jonas said something at one of
the conferences up here.
Speaker 3: It was really interesting.
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying every single Catholic, but the fact
this is a phenomenon that why is it in there
confession absolution they feel more guilty. Yeah, and when you
do confession in the Orthodox Church, it's a free and
cleansing experience.
Speaker 1: Also, these these other domains, uh, do not really put
requirements on you to undergo change because it's difficult. In
the world of Rome Catholicism, you just kind of substitute
the intellectual scholastic stuff and that becomes the religion. So
you're worshiping the idea of God and Protestantism. I don't
know your whatever, your emotions, your will, you know, will
worship whatever you want to call it. That that's what
you know. You and the Bible. Bible. You're worshiping the Bible.
I mean, it's just it's all like at the end
of the day, you're just not getting anywhere.
Speaker 3: So yeah, don't you find that interesting?
Speaker 4: That?
Speaker 3: And not that there are exceptions but to the rule.
Speaker 4: But you look at like I look at people who
spend time and process, they don't change. They stay basically
the same, same with Roman Catholics, just as a pragmatic Now,
of course somebody can go through all the steps and
orthodoxy and not change because they don't want it. But
that's why it's so important, I think, especially for inquirers
and categ humans, to not just read the basics foundations.
Speaker 3: Of the faith like.
Speaker 4: St Ignacious and Saint Antinacious and the incarnation and stuff.
Speaker 3: Like that, but read the lives of saints.
Speaker 4: Look what types of people those are, and just how
different than they are from the quote unquote Roman Catholic saints.
Doesn't that say a lot about the different types of programs?
And Protestants don't even have anything to pop up prop
up is like, hey, look at this great example really
of what's like a bit like a Bonhoeffer.
Speaker 3: I guess, I mean, I don't even know what Protestants do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. Like their saints are just
like Luther Calvin Bonhoeffer. Like that's that's the closest I
have to that, right, Cyrus became a member. What's up, man,
let's see, Rudy. Rudy, I already responded to your question
about Ucbius earlier. S L I d three dollars. Thank
you so much. Go ahead, man, what's that? What's on
your mind?
Speaker 19: Hey guys?
Speaker 3: How you doing?
Speaker 10: JV Fan?
Speaker 20: So, uh, you're actually one of the biggest you know,
reasons why I left a mega church here in Florida
and I recently just joined an Antiochian Eastern with the
Dog's Church.
Speaker 19: So still rookie, haven't got inky categuys yet. But I'm
really into like our political situation right now in our country.
Like I'm a big politics guy and just kind of
like a twenty four year old Christian from that perspective,
what do you think about like the current environment we're
in with you know, Trump and everything. Because I was
a MAGA guy, but then I kind of woke up
to his financial ties to the designists and stuff like that,
So what do you think about that?
Speaker 3: And yeah, what do you how do you think I
can be.
Speaker 19: A involved in, hopefully, you know, fixing our country.
Speaker 1: For I mean, I don't mean to be dismissive or
to let you down, but I don't really know what
to say about politics and MAGA. And I mean I
think as you get older, you'll care less about politics.
It doesn't mean you can't have an effect. I just
feel like for a lot of people, politics is a religion.
It's their replacement religion. It's an idol. Maybe you can
do good at the local level, but national politics is
just a lot of theater and WWF. And there might
be times where you can vote for somebody who's in Orthodoxy.
We tend to say that there's something wrong with voting,
and if you want to vote, vote for the person
that's the best for the church. Otherwise it really doesn't matter.
I mean, as you get older, you're going to just
not really care a lot about what's happening in Washington
because it just really doesn't matter. It's like a lot
of like wasted time. I mean, other than it being entertaining,
I don't really know what. I think. People feel like
they're involved and they're doing things and they're being informed,
and I don't know. It's just when you get into
your thirties and your forties, you're just gonna, I think,
care about other things more that matter more. Chris, what's up? Man?
Chris'm you? Hey? Jamie? Did you bring me that coffee?
Chris Gabriel?
Speaker 3: Hello, Hey, what's up?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 10: Hey Ja.
Speaker 2: I've been a fan of you for allergetics.
Speaker 1: Guy, you cut out and can you start over? You
cut out?
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll just turned on my data.
Speaker 1: You're cutting out, Man, I can't hear you. Maybe come
out and come back in Sean, yeah, Sewan you want
I'm mute.
Speaker 10: Hey, what's so? Jay?
Speaker 1: What's on your mind?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 10: Question? Uh?
Speaker 3: I don't know if Jamie is in the room.
Speaker 4: But how do I how would I leave my wife
to maybe.
Speaker 3: Going to an Orthodox church.
Speaker 21: I've been in a choir right now for a couple
of months, and she's like, you know, Protestant.
Speaker 3: View grew up Protestant her whole life.
Speaker 21: I grew up Catholic, so I'm familiar with praying to
sayings and.
Speaker 10: Things like that.
Speaker 21: So how do I get my Catholic, my non traditional
Christian wife to go to a worthodox truth?
Speaker 1: Well, there's no magic formula. I mean I would say, uh,
you know, rather than trying to debate whether just you know,
try to in covert ways get her to come to
church with you. And usually women connect with other women
or the beauty, the liturgy, that kind of stuff praying
together that probably has more of an effect than like
refuting her, you know, her presuppositions. Nick Boucci two dollars
read the Life of Saint yakoob Yes, that's the patron
center of this channel is Yakubu. He is our creator.
William Money became a member and says, how does the
essence centered distinction let us share in divine life without
losing the creator creature distinction or making Grace into a
mere symbol. Well, the essencenarty distinction is the only way
theologically to keep the creator creature distinction and not make
Grace a creature or merely a symbol. Because Jesus says
in John seventeen that he came to give us a
share in the glory that he had with the Father
before the foundation of the world. So it's a real
sharing in God's glory and immortality, and glory and immortality
are not creatures. God's glory isn't created. So the only
way to maintain the distinction is to distinguish God's grace
from his divine essence, which nobody, no creature ever takes of.
So we never become the divine essence, but we do
really partake of divine glory, hence the essencenary distinction. And
there's no other church or position that holds this view.
Only the Orthodoxy holds that view. We never cease to
be creatures, by the way, right, So remember the model
of deification thiosis is the incarnation when Jesus became incarnate.
John of Damascus says in Book three, chapter fifteen that
the uncreated energies and immortality and grace deified the human
nature resultso the teaching of the six Econmenical Council. But
it never ceases to be created. So created things can
maintain their creature early status and become immortal. We become
sons of God by divine grace, and yet we never
cease to be creatures. That's the Orthodox view, modeled on
the incarnation Jesus. Human nature, although fully deified, never ceases
to be created, but it really does participate in uncreated
grace and immortality and glory. That's the mystery of the
incarnation that Orthodox theology balances maintaining divine simplicity and God's
imparticipable nature versus his participable, uncreated energies in grace, and
yet we always remain creatures. That's Orthodox Christianity, and only
Orthodoxy has that balance. Protestantism teaches a version of created
grace and Jesus fulfilling the covenant of works and created merit.
Roman Catholicism teaches that supernatural grace is a created substance
accident in the soul. It is the grace itself is
a creature. So both positions and all of Latin Christianity
have failed by teaching that grace itself is a created reality. Hueye,
what's up?
Speaker 10: Hello?
Speaker 1: Yep?
Speaker 10: What was going on?
Speaker 13: Dude?
Speaker 1: A little bit?
Speaker 22: It was like the the space was having you talk,
and then I guess it like loaded real quick. No,
I was just joining highlight what you're doing in here.
Speaker 13: I think it's real cool.
Speaker 22: What would you do about somebody who like comes from
like a Jehovah witness background, Like where's it? Where's a
good place to get started? Like if you want to
try to find like the truth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a good talk that is really good
for JWS, and it's about the Trinity and the deed
of Christ in the Old Testament. Of course now I
can't find it here. It is is Jesus, God is
God at Trinity. This talk right here is really good
for u JWS because it kind of circumvents their terrible
New Testament arguments by just going to the Old Testament
and showing that Jesus is the god of the Old Testament.
He's yeahweh, he's Elahien, et cetera, and the Trinity is
the Old Testament, and so that that's totally kill shot
for JW's jaws. Way.
Speaker 23: Well, yep, I'm a kind of cuman a my ordoctories
right now and just recently just became one. And I
have a lot of Protestant friends that the recent I
told them about my conversion and now they've been berating
me a lot of questions. And one of the arguments
that we had recently was Mary's perpetual virginity. And basically
he's saying that he's open to the idea that Mary
did not have other children besides Jesus, but he finds
the assertion ridiculous that we know that she didn't have
sex with Joseph or at least didn't like have like
marital consummation.
Speaker 1: So watch my video that I did on Mary and
Mary as the arc of the New Covenant, because I
think once we understand the importance and exalted status of
her role, it begins to make sense why it would
no longer be violated, or that it would no longer
be that she would remain that pure status. Also, Ezekiel
forty four is interpreted in part by the Church Fathers
as a reference also to Mary, because she is the
also the new Temple, and the King passes through the
gate of the temple, and yet the doors never opened
her shut. So there's a miraculous, mysterious statement is Zeko
forty four BYU how the Prince Messiah, the Prince passes
through the gate of the temple without it being violated
or opened, so it remains that way. So typology is key,
But also read Saint Drum's essay on the Perpetual Virginity.
It's an all time classic for this topic, and it's
also not very long. Gabriel, what's up, hey.
Speaker 2: Jam does my mic even work now?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you.
Speaker 24: I've been a fan of you for five to six
months and another year. That can Orthodox Christian apologist and
Iz is wondering what exactly can a fifteen year old
sophomore in high school do to help maybe defend the
Orthodox Christian faith in the future.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a good thing to desire that, but remember
to be catechized and brought into the church before worrying
about defending it, because we got to be We got
to undergo a kind of a process of healing first
before we try to go heal everybody else. Right, Jesus says, physician,
heal thyself, which the city says to him. You will
say to me, physician, hell myself, what you've done, and
compared him to Also here the same principle is true,
like we got to be healed first before we try
to go fix everybody else. And we're never going to
be perfectly fixed in this life. And yet there is
a you know, that has to happen first, So great question.
Glad to hear that you're moving in that direction, But
focus on those things first, and then the apologetics and
all that will come in time. Don't panic. What's that?
Dog Rhapsody says for two dollars, the Orthodox sacraments make
you no false gods. I would say, actually, in the
Orthodox Church, yes you do get the gift of discernment.
Not everybody necessarily gets that gift. It's one of the discernmons,
one of the spiritual gifts. So you can definitely pray
and ask for that gift, and I would say, yeah,
like eventually there is a recognition and a discernment that
you get that. The other religions have what Saint Paul
calls dead works, so they don't produce the actual intimate
knowledge of God. They might produce knowledge about God or
facts about the Bible or whatever, but again there is
that ineffable that's missing. Don't what's up? I'm you what's up?
Speaker 10: Jay?
Speaker 3: Hear? I'm just curious is if you.
Speaker 16: Have any interest in unification theory or if the church
has a unification theory.
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't know what you're talking about.
You're cutting out unification theory.
Speaker 3: What is that?
Speaker 12: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So in science.
Speaker 13: Unification theory or the theory of everything.
Speaker 4: Unifying ally?
Speaker 1: What what do you mean unifying everything?
Speaker 7: Hell, it's like through theology and science or philosophy and science.
Speaker 1: No, I would disagree with that, but I'm not sure
what it is. But you're cutting out judeo jalepeno. What's up? Man? No,
I'm not blind. I'm wearing glasses because number one, this
light is bright. I get tired of staring at computers
all day and I don't like the look of the
reading glasses, they're dorky. These are actually magnification cool shades.
So that's why I'm worrying them. What's up?
Speaker 3: Hey, J can you hear me? I said a quick question,
do you so?
Speaker 6: From the first guy that came on asking about the
Serbian church, and blah.
Speaker 13: Blah blah, I'm not.
Speaker 6: I've been going to a Greek Orthodox church for like
a year, but I'm planning on moving so I'm not
probably not gonna be catechized in this church. But if
I was to sit down with a priest of the
church that I'm going to be moving to in that area,
what type of questions you think I should ask for, Like,
you know, some to kind of discern whether or not
their acuminous vibes like a beautifest and all those guys.
Speaker 1: Just ask them straight up, like do you support acumenism?
Is freemasonry good? Is it good to be gay? I mean,
straight up asked those questions death culture? What's up? I
would be straight up. I mean I've always been that way.
When I went to the Greek church in Nashville, I
was just like, is freemasonry good? They're like yeah. I
was like, see, yeah, rhapsody two dollars. No, you read that,
Murat Akabul gifted ten memberships. Thanks Man, I appreciate that death.
Do you want to immute?
Speaker 3: Yes, sure thing.
Speaker 25: I got a quick question, Jay, is how does how
does one get the appropriate or correct interpretation of the
Bible when you're when you read and study the Bible?
What's the proper hermaeudict? What's the principles behind hermautics? And
also do you have a stream or any content or
maybe Father Deacon Ananias does he.
Speaker 3: Dive into hermin udicts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did a stream six or seven years ago
on this topic. I think it was a two part
stream that I responded to a liberal priest. Father. I
forget that guy's name. He used to be an ancient
faith radio guy. I don't even remember what I titled that,
but basically, no, no, I didn't have anything to do
with hermanudicts. That was just about creeps. Let me think
what I thought that.
Speaker 4: Well, you look for that, I'll just give you herman
nudics always kept a holos according to the whole and
so I'm sure there's even more than what I'm gonna list.
The ancient records of the church, the canons of the
Holy Apostle, the Apostolic canons, the symbols UH faith, the creeds,
the ancient local churches, the ancient liturgies.
Speaker 3: Also understand terms of the.
Speaker 4: Right of baptism, the sacred ancient prayers UH, the ancient
acts of the martyrs, the synods, the councils, even the
historical records. Let's say, even Ucbus, even though he's not
a church father, consensus paternum, so the ancient fathers.
Speaker 3: And the life of the church as well. All of
those things form a whole in which Scripture has read properly.
Speaker 4: And if you take any one of those, and I'm
sure there's more that I can mention, but those are
all kind of necessary conditions. So if you negate when
i'd also say kind of normative authority appstocks that all
these different things form a kind of interwoven, kind of
cohesive whole that are all necessary conditions that if you
remove any one of those, you don't have the right
justification for now.
Speaker 3: So that means it's possible.
Speaker 4: And Jay and I did when get stuff right, but
ultimately we lacked the justification for that because we weren't
Catholic Cato holos.
Speaker 3: We weren't Orthodox, and so you you accidentally get it right.
So the whole is always the proper hermeneutics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the videos those are two part ones. It's
the responses to Father Steven Freeman Orthodox Hermaeuticts part one
and part two. And I talk about the four senses
the quadriga. We would hold that Maximus talks about the quadriga. Uh,
so you believe we have the literal sense, the grammatical
historical sense, and then we also have the typological or
spiritual sense if you want to put it into a
two tiered system. Doesn't mean every verse has that, but
h I mean most of the basic principles that anybody
in seminary talks about. It's not super liberal, we would
agree with. Right, you have to understand the grammatical historical
context of who's being talked to. And then depending upon
the type of literature, whether it's prophetic literature, whether it's
liturgical literature, there's going to be nuances for those kinds
of texts which might suggest things like typology, et cetera.
Are you there, Yes, I'm here.
Speaker 3: Thank you for the response both of you.
Speaker 1: Yes, that is a good question. No, I don't think
anybody's ever asked what the proper her hermonutics are. I
appreciate that. F seven ninety seven to the Catholic guy
in the chat, want as you call in if you
want to discuss things? What's up? F seven nights on?
Speaker 3: Hello?
Speaker 1: You barely? What's up? What's up? I'm mute?
Speaker 12: Can you hear me?
Speaker 1: Barely? What's up?
Speaker 13: I had a question about diaphysicism. Then okay, yeah, So,
I guess my question is.
Speaker 3: How do you interpret Saint sale? And he says that
there's one.
Speaker 1: Nature read John Damascus where he explains it. That's how
we interpret it. A but what's up? I'm you? Hey?
Speaker 3: Uh so Jay, I've been watching you for quite a while.
Speaker 26: I'm I was raised Protestant Christian, but I've been looking
more and more into Orthodoxy. And uh, I guess my
question would be, what would you say to help me
see that that's a better path.
Speaker 3: The best path?
Speaker 27: Uh?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: Now? I'm sorry?
Speaker 26: I said I I was raised Protestant Christian, but I've
been looking at Orthodoxy.
Speaker 3: I've been watching you and Jimbob and Andrew and everyone.
Speaker 26: And uh, I was asking you, since you're very knowledgeable,
what what would you say to tell me that that
is the best path to go towards orthodoxy rather than.
Speaker 1: When I have done well. I mean, I would just
start looking at the history and the I would start
with documentaries like the Icon seven part documentary, watch that,
take it in, muse upon it, you know. Watch if
you have like a Protestant background, watch something like Rock
and Sand talk by Father Josiah. I mean, it really
just depends on, you know, how much time and energy
you have for kind of studying and researching. So we
got atheist talking. We haven't had an atheist talking smack
in the chat in a long time. I hope you
call in actually thinks that Tea dun't won the bait. Okay,
oh you block? Okay, Well tell me your Twitter handrel
and I will promptly unblock you. Is it the same
as your YouTube name a TK? Is that a name.
Speaker 28: A TK? Are you from Apica? I will unblock you. Brother,
tell me your name and I will unblock you. You
can come and recruit me because t dump is the
smartest man alive.
Speaker 1: Remember when te dump said that it's true if the
scientists all agree, It's like, I feel sorry for people
like you. Guys are so dumb. It's so hard to
It's very difficult to talk to really dumb people. I'll try.
I want to what's your handle? I need to know
what it is to unblock you. Anytime I unblock people, though,
I usually end up regretting it because usually my first
inclination was correct. John David Woods, what's up? Well, wait,
we don't have to talk about catechumen. E f a
few questions. If anybody wants to talk about other stuff,
we can geopolitics, paganism, feminism, libertarianism. Dude, tell me your
name and all I'm block you, John David or smuggled Cat,
whatever your.
Speaker 13: Name is, the.
Speaker 29: Watchman Witness. Okay, So a good question. When I left
last year, I first.
Speaker 30: Visited the nearest Coptic Orthodox church near me because there
the other Orthodox church is a bit further. And if
if I begin being a catechumen, should I continue with
the Coptic Orthodox or.
Speaker 1: No, they're not Orthodox, they're schismatics. Oh really, yeah, that's
not Orthodox. You have to go to canonical Orthodox Church,
So do not go to the Coptic Church. Appreciate your
calling out from your rude but no, Axil, what's up?
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 28: What did are you?
Speaker 1: Rada? Where are you? I want to talk to you.
We have atheists from epic.
Speaker 28: Guy's name is.
Speaker 1: Can hear me? Huh?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: So I had a question as a recently prayedover catechumen.
I just wondered about how to explain the necessity of
the incarnation. Would we say that the incarnation was necessary
to bind ourselves to the body of Christ through his
flesh and communion.
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not sure I understand the question. I mean,
I think it's necessary in the sense that God was
always going to become incarnate, even if there'd not been
a fall, because God always intended to have man participate
in his uncreated life and to raise him up to
higher and higher levels. But I'm not sure what you
mean by binding us to the flesh.
Speaker 4: I talked to David Bradshaw about the usage of necessary,
and we can say these things are necessary of God
as long as we qualify that there's not something behind
God that constrains him right, So we can say it's impossible,
it's necessarily God's right.
Speaker 3: But the way you say that is it's not because
there's something behind.
Speaker 4: God that's over and above God that forces him to
you know, not why it's from God himself or from
our direction?
Speaker 3: Right that if God is always and I think David
Bradshaw actually said that, he said.
Speaker 4: Necessary means eternal as well, but doesn't mean it doesn't.
No contending necessarily imply constraint. Does that make sense, I'd
say so.
Speaker 7: So we would rather say the incarnation was always going
to happen for.
Speaker 3: The most intimate communion with God possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't a plan B that God instituted because
of the fall. It was always what was intended.
Speaker 3: Excellent, thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I mean I'm not you know, preferably not
sort of Catechuman questions. I'm not mad at that guy,
but I'm looking for people who disagree. Raise your hand
if you disagree, and you can come on, we're gonna
say something.
Speaker 3: These people in the chat bring him up.
Speaker 1: Well, I thought so, but they that one guy was
just trolling because he was like, you need to listen
to the wisdom of Tom Jump. That's gotta be a joke,
Like nobody actually says that rhapsody. No, we did that.
D Stevenson's Jay. What happened to the people who died
prior to the resurrection. Uh, they went to Hades. Jesus
priested the Gospel to those in Hades. It's called the
Heroing of Hades. The Orthodox and Roman Catholics all agree
or they have different views. For Protestants Roman Catholics, the
Heroing of Hades basically has no theological relevance. Only the
Orthodox Church has really maintained its significance, even though Roman
Catholics technically confess that he descended into Hades, but they
don't really have any explanation or meaning, or it doesn't
They don't really care about it. The whole religion is
just the papacy. They don't care about any of that stuff. Nico,
what's up? And please don't ask me at thank you
Kadechyan questions today.
Speaker 27: I don't know if it's necessarily a catechumen question. I'm
an inquirer, but it's not really aimed at like a
dogma or anything of within Orthodoxy.
Speaker 4: I was watching a DPH stream DAVEA.
Speaker 3: Patrick Harry earlier.
Speaker 27: And in the background he has an icon and it's
of the resurrection or another resurrection is it's an icon
of the crucifixion, and my mom, who is you know,
just nominal go to a megachurch kind of person. She
I've been slowly like watching videos with her, trying to
like introduce her to Orthodoxy as well, and she's we
were looking at the icon of Jesus on the Cross,
and my mom is under this impression that like Jesus was,
you know, he looked like an animal on the cross,
because it says like he was unbeaten and unrecognizable on
the cross. And she was kind of just saying like
that she felt so growing up, you know, non denominational Christian.
Speaker 3: I probably just.
Speaker 10: Being exposed to many people saying things.
Speaker 27: Is I guess scripture says that Jesus looked unrecognizable on
the cross like no other man, And.
Speaker 3: So I think, like, well, I guess my question.
Speaker 27: Is do you know why in icons he's portrayed like not?
So I guess maybe beaten in bloody or in this
specific icon, like why he would be portrayed as kind
of like, you know, not looking unrecognizable, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: And I guess I'm just trying to I mean, I
think for the for us, that's the difference between the
Roman Catholic attitude. I'll let Father Deacon comment on this
because I'm not. There's people who are kind of experts
on like iconographic symbology, and you know, Pago is probably
an expert on that stuff. I don't actually know other
than that Orthodox iconography usually focuses on the victory of
the cross rather than the bloody defeat of the cross.
That's more of a Latin Roman Catholic obsession and fixation.
Like if you watch Mel Gibson's The Passion, it's like
all about that and it's just not really the Orthodox attitude.
It's all about the victory and the ascension and the
power and the destruction of death. Would be my guest,
but father diacon do you.
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, it's some I forget what father it was.
Speaker 4: Father Thomas Hopko said that, you know, Christ does teach
us how to live, but he really.
Speaker 3: Showed us how to die.
Speaker 4: And so you have to understand that in the West
they're trying to whether it's through a kind of realism,
portrait exactness, or this kind of glorification of through emotion
to get you emotional appeal of like the horror of
they put that into the where in the East icons
are theological.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you go, yeah, that's a great way but
when you go to Rome. One of the things, the
first things that we noticed, all of us that were Orthodox,
that were kind of new to going to Rome for
the first time, was that all of the art and
the statuary is almost almost it's like Marvel comedic level
expressionism and emotionalism and sensationalism. It's vastly different from how.
Speaker 4: To specifically invoked emotions.
Speaker 3: Yes, and so you're seeing that.
Speaker 4: The cross Christ doesn't look like he's in agony because
it's theologically representing that he overcame his blameless pass right.
He is walking in with courage into death right. And
so how do you display the theology of that. You
do it that in fact, we have reverse the whole
the whole art is totally different.
Speaker 3: Father's Lad's great and explain this too, reverse perspective.
Speaker 4: So in the West, you're a spectator, right, you're viewing,
and so all the vanishing lines go to a vanishing
point from out to in to a single point, and
that is right, a spectator, you're.
Speaker 3: Engaged in the emotions.
Speaker 4: In the East and iconography, it's a reverse vanishing point.
So you'll see rather than book like things getting smaller
in the icons as you go back, it's actually reversed.
Speaker 3: So it's it's and what that.
Speaker 4: Draws is the person into participation. They're not a spectator,
but they're intimately in the icon itself, participating in the So.
Speaker 3: There's a whole bunch of stuff.
Speaker 4: You just got to It's literally exactly says perspective.
Speaker 3: Everything in the West is reversed from the east.
Speaker 1: That's really okay, thank you, Elijah. What's up, hey man?
Speaker 3: How's it going. Uh? I just wanted to pop.
Speaker 31: In your super quick and say that, you know, I
see some people in the chat.
Speaker 10: And also, this is.
Speaker 31: Just a very common thing that Protestants always like to
bring up about, you.
Speaker 3: Know, the intercession to the.
Speaker 31: Saints being all pagan and you can't go you're worshiping
the Saints.
Speaker 3: And all this stuff.
Speaker 31: I only came in here because I just wanted to
drop a link to an article that I wrote that's
on Ortho Christian dot Com that I I tackle this
topic explicitly through the lens of Sola script torah uh
kind of appeal to those to those Protestants, And I
was hoping that you could, uh, you know, kind of
look it over, you know, and if it's if it's
a good article.
Speaker 3: Maybe you could just throw this Protestants ways, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll take to look at that. Thank you, Llega.
I appreciate that. Yeah. I always tell people, you know,
read Revelation five through nine and look at it from
the vantage point of John on earth participating in the
heavenly liturgy, and the liturgy of heaven is the liturgy
on earth. Thus they're united. Thus community of the Saints
makes sense, the nexus, because that's what intercession of Saints is,
just community of the Saints, the nexus. What's up? I'm
mute again. I mean to people that are asking the
Coptic questions. We've already done three parts of a long
ongoing lecture series. Just go watch that lecture series with Orthodoxyda.
What's up? Man?
Speaker 10: Hey, how are you doing.
Speaker 1: I'm done good. I'm just chilling and drinking coffee and
listening to fake AI spy music.
Speaker 11: No problem.
Speaker 12: I've wanted to can you hear me? I just say,
I want to make sure my mic is clear.
Speaker 10: I can hear you, Okay, perfect.
Speaker 12: So I just kind of wanted to because I a
my friend had actually recommended me to you because I
disagree with the Catholic or orthodox position between mother and Mary,
and so I just wanted to make sure before we
go into this that I have like we have everything
to fined everything, Just kind of correct in your definition
or your understanding.
Speaker 10: What does sinless mean to you?
Speaker 1: It means that she was not subject to She did
not commit actual sin by grace. So just like Adam
and even the Garden, they also by grace did not
violate God's law until they willed to violate God's law.
So we think that by divine grace she was cap spotless.
Speaker 12: So you have to willfully like do something then to
be able to breach the point of being sinless. It
is a wilful act, to be clear.
Speaker 1: For Adam and Eve, yes, but also but also also
for a human being an individual, Yeah, like they're not
they're not guilty of actual sin as an infant until
they reach an age of accountability and then commit an actual.
Speaker 12: Sent So she is exempt from that because in Luke,
at least from the Greek, what they say is that
you and I'm going to say it in English, but
obviously it is you who are highly favored or you
who is favor.
Speaker 1: Right, it's only by grace that she that she did that.
Speaker 12: Okay, So then now that we at least have the
understanding of sinless, then the thing I would like to
know is that if for some reason there's a silence
within the Scripture of her sinlessness, what I mean by
that is the Bible never once calls Mary sinless. If
she was meant to be exalted, uniquely, Scripture would have
explicitly stated.
Speaker 1: Now that's yours, that's your presupposition.
Speaker 10: We'll know because again.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it is, Well, the whole factor.
Speaker 12: The whole I mean, I didn't interrupt you. I don't
know why you're interrupting me.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just pointing out that's your assumption in the argument.
Speaker 3: But it's not though, because through the Bible.
Speaker 1: But that's your assumption that the Bible gives us the
totality of how the Church does its worship in practice.
And I don't accept that assumption.
Speaker 12: Right, and so because the only authority you have by
that is the.
Speaker 1: Church, Well no, that's a false either or because the
Church and the Bible and the tradition and the synods
are all authorities. No, because again i'm telling you my position.
Speaker 12: I understand that that's well, no, the position was about sinlessness.
Speaker 10: Now, we're actually trying to get into something.
Speaker 1: No, because it's two different it's two different paradigms. I
don't have the same paradigm as you as to what
constitutes the Word of God. I don't believe that it's
only written. In fact, the scriptures themselves talk about the
oral word of God also being the word of God.
Speaker 10: Yes, nobody has said that.
Speaker 12: Basically, the whole point is is that if for some
reason it's different from the Trinity, Because the argument you
can make is when is it explicitly said the Trinity?
When has anybody said that? Or when does anybody refer
to God?
Speaker 10: Is that? But God already referred Jesus Christ already referred.
Speaker 12: To that within the Book of Matthew. He said, you
shall be baptized within the Son the Father and the
Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1: As baptized within or in the name of.
Speaker 10: Sure sure Ben. It doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1: But anyway it does matter because those are two different
those are two different phrases. And also the doctrine, the
doctrine of the Trinity is the doctrine of the Trinityes
all right, here we go. It's not gonna yeah, you're
not going to do this. So Nick what's up. You
don't have an actual exchange back and forth we can.
You're not going to get to just preach for twenty
minutes without me replying Nick, what's up? Yo?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 10: What's up?
Speaker 24: Jakie?
Speaker 1: Yep?
Speaker 3: Thanks brother? Hey, so happy you having on the show Man.
Speaker 32: When you mentioned rifftracks earlier, that blew my mind. I
can't believe you watched riff tracks.
Speaker 3: But I'm coming to you today. I'm just just obscure man,
and I know you rolled like that. It's quality stuff
I do, so of course, yeah.
Speaker 32: Yes, amen, Amen, Hey, I wanted to I know it's
not on the title, but I want to know if
you want to talk about narcissism for just a moment.
Speaker 1: I mean, are youre to debate or what do you mean?
Speaker 32: Well, in a sense, I mean it's not necessarily an argument,
more of an inquiry, right. I think we both agree
narcissism is fake and gay. But I think there's a
propensity for people to call out gnostic heresies on things
that are maybe borderline, or maybe they're just a little
bit too trigger happy to call out things that are
authentically within the Gospel and yet have gnostic tinges to them, like, what, well,
would you agree that the secret mystical knowledge or gnosis
as they say, is that nosis is reserved for the elect,
That that's a hallmark of a gnostic heresy, that their
secret knowledge, it's for the elect, that's nastic heresy.
Speaker 13: Would you agree with that.
Speaker 1: In a general sense. But I mean even this is
the word nosis. I mean that's used in many church
fathers in the East because it just means knowledge or
those that have knowledge. So there's a true sense in
which there's true Gnostics who are the Orthodox, and then
there's the false sense in which there's the many a
sex that Aaron As talks about in the first huter
pages of against Heresies that follow all these different so
called secret teachings. So in that secondary sense.
Speaker 32: Yes, well, secret teachings, right, And yet in uh luke
it says to you it has been given to know
the secrets of the kingdom.
Speaker 1: That's why I just made the distinction that I guess.
Speaker 32: Okay, we're all the same, yes, So I don't think
there's a disagreement there. I just hope that highlight that
you know, the Gnostic heresies that we rightly point out
they do have a precedence to some extent, largely in
John the Gospel.
Speaker 1: A Gnostic heresies don't have a precedence. They read into
those passages what they think those passages mean, and what
I you said is what I mean. Jesus talks about
the mysteries of the Kingdom, and he explains that those
are like the Parables and the gentiles coming into the church.
Those are the mysteries of the Kingdom that are given
to the apostles that the disciples, that the Pharisees and
the Jews don't understand and can't understand. It's nothing to
do with AONs and the pleroma and all this stuff
that the Gnostics.
Speaker 32: Are yes, okay, okay, Well then maybe it just ends there,
because I think that's really what I The conclusion, at
least I've come to is that all of the extra
lore and everything is obviously useless. But I just have
someone standing for the for the obviously dualism. They take
it too far, but there's there's actual scripture that they're
basing it on.
Speaker 1: They just would go on, no, I mean again, it's
it's just like it's just like the guy that called
in a minute ago, who says, well, Mary isn't you know,
spotless because there's not as a scripture text that explicitly
says this about her. And it's like, that's an assumption
that the Protestant solar feet or sol scripture rule is
how we go about determining doctrine and practice in the church.
And so when I start to question the assumptions, he's like, no,
I'm not gonna stop talking over me. Blah blah blah.
It's the same situation here. It's like, just because there
are passages that talk about the mysteries of the kingdom,
or Paul uses the term mysterion, the mysteries, we call
the sacraments the mysteries. Oh well, the ancient mystery religions
called their initiation rights the mysteries. Oh it's the same word.
I guess it's the same thing. It's just the word concept, fallacy,
reformed Catholic. What's up, man?
Speaker 18: Go ahead, Yeah, Hey, there's got a couple questions for you,
one of them being like a geopolitical question and then
another one kind of get into feminism for a second.
So I was listening to a conversation you were having
with Sovereign Braun. I watched the debate with the mistake
at which that goober's hilarious.
Speaker 1: I understand, like, why is any why do any of
these people have an audience at all? I don't understand
how people can be so dumb. I just don't understand it.
Speaker 2: It makes me wonder, It makes me wonder if it's
like a siop or something.
Speaker 1: But then again, I think maybe there's some element of
that going on. These people are pushed. But then again,
like do half the callers that call in that disagree?
They can't. They can't process like words having multiple meanings,
So like we're at like mass, we're at like critical
mass of like dumb because like, like I mean, you
would think you could understand, like the word kid can
be a goat or it could be a human. It
doesn't always mean the same thing. Do we understand that
people about language? It's just crazy.
Speaker 18: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well it's gonna get worse too, with a lot.
Speaker 3: Of like the gen Z and AI relying on the idea.
Speaker 18: There's a there's actually a really funny YouTube video of
a comedian guy where he goes up to a high
school and he talks in their language, like the gen
Z language, and he he doesn't rip somebody new one.
It's actually kind of larious. If you ever want to
check in, let me see if.
Speaker 13: I can pull it up.
Speaker 2: I'll send it in the I'll send it in the
chat or what not. I'll get into you.
Speaker 3: Here's my question.
Speaker 2: So I have a couple of buddies of mine and
I'm tending I tend.
Speaker 13: To uh lean this way. Just got a curiosity on
your perspective on it. Have you ever read the work
of William Guy Carr.
Speaker 18: I think it was like a Canadian or British intelligence guy.
Speaker 1: I mean that's like old school Boomer era conspiracy stuff.
I'm familiar with it.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you a question.
Speaker 18: Do you think I hear a lot of people especially
in truth their communities and stuff like that. Uh, we'll
talk a lot about you know, you know, the patreons
take control, there's a plan in place, things like that,
referring to Trump and things like that, that sort of mentality.
Do you think on the geopolitical stage, because we know
with like the raptile banking systems and the different deep
state paradise.
Speaker 2: Do you think that there is a counter push against
a lot of that?
Speaker 18: But do you think there really is a contingent of individuals,
maybe groups of individuals, who are actively seeking to overthrow
that system, whether it's the Fiat system, whether it's.
Speaker 1: The Central Page. There's not a secret cabal of people
in the establishment, No, but there are. All the people
that are public are the ones that are trying. Joe,
what's up? Good question, But none of this q tard
crap or Nissara older Boomer era conspiracy, that's all fake.
What's up, John, Joe?
Speaker 33: I mean, hold up, man, I'm just wondering what's your
perspective on cultural orthodoxy. It had mentioned something about it,
but I also really sure what you were saying.
Speaker 1: It's schismatic, it's heterodox. We have multiple talks on it.
But thank you for your question. If people that disagree,
you're welcome to come up to the head of the line.
Anybody disagree, raise your hand, Derek, what's up? If you
want to call in, you can Derek, I'm mute, I'm mute,
and then you can call in through Twitter. What's up? Hey?
Speaker 3: Can you hear me? Hey?
Speaker 10: Jay?
Speaker 7: So I was a.
Speaker 3: Jew for thirty years.
Speaker 5: Scamdemic kind of woke me up the way they handled that.
But you know, with every good con there's truths thrown
in there. So I was just wondering, when it comes
to the identity of God and Jesus, what do you
think about Colossians one fifteen. You don't believe that that's
identifying Jesus as the firstborn of all creation.
Speaker 1: That's just talking about his status as resurrect It's not
talking about his eternal status like John One does. And
all the Old Testament passages identify the Sun as yahweh.
Speaker 5: But wouldn't wouldn't that wouldn't the expression being the firstborn
of the dead be an expression that relates to his resurrection?
Speaker 1: Both of those fact those phrases, because he's the firstborn
of the new creation. So he is, and he's called
that in other passages as well.
Speaker 13: So where is the new huh?
Speaker 1: In the I'm not saying, I'm not saying in Colossians
he's called the new Colossians one.
Speaker 5: What he's the image of the invisible God, the French
born of all creation?
Speaker 1: Right by being, by being the firstborn son and being resurrected,
he is overall creation. That's why hebers One calls him
the creator of the angels and not therefore a creature.
Speaker 5: Well, you said, you quoted it as first and over,
so you think that's a genitive of subordination instead of
a part of the genitive.
Speaker 1: I'm interpreting it in light of all the other passages
and not your Jobah's witness interpretation of the passage. Because
in Hebrews one, he is called the creator of all
the beings. How could he be the creator if he's
a creature?
Speaker 3: Well, first we have to sailish if he was created.
Speaker 1: In Hebrews one, is he called the creator of the
worlds and the creator of the angels? And thus is
he superior to the angels because he created them?
Speaker 5: Well, the whole point that Paul was making was he
was trying to establish how Jesus became better.
Speaker 1: In Hebrews one, is he called the creator of the Alright,
so you're not gonna answer, You're just gonna he is no,
he let's get out of here, stupid he Zach. What's up?
You notice they won't ever go to Hebrews one. He's
called the creator of the angels, and they're like, what,
he's also the creator angel? What's up?
Speaker 34: I don't know if you're taking this kind of a
basic question about John six, is that alright to ask
you what what's the Orthodox position on When Jesus says
I'm the part of life, is that a literal or
a metaphor or metaphorical interpretation.
Speaker 1: He's talking about the Eucharist that he's going to set
up that we eat. So he's talking about literal the
bread of life. Just like they ate the man in
the wilderness, we will eat him in the eucharist.
Speaker 10: Like that.
Speaker 1: You're cutting out all. You're cutting out her Hebrews one eight.
I guess, go ahead, you're wondering what I was.
Speaker 10: Just wondering.
Speaker 34: In John six. Why is it a literal? Why is
it literal instead of metaphorical?
Speaker 11: I'm not saying in the.
Speaker 1: Text because the rest of the Bible interprets the passages
in John six. I don't go to John six and
just decide, oh, it's symbolic. Because the other passages he's
called the door, so it's symbolic. I look at all
the other passages that enlighten me and tell me what
he probably means in John six, not in isolation. So
when all the other passages that talk about the Eucharist
and feeding on him and eating his flesh, drinking his
blood and participating in uncreated glory, as John seventeen says,
I know that when I go back to John six,
I read it in the light of all the other
passages that inform me that it's not metaphorical.
Speaker 34: I'm not sure I would agree with that per se,
because in a lot of the texts of the Bible,
they were circulated on their own, they were not circulated altogether.
Speaker 1: But what does what does that have to do? What
does that have to do with how we do canonical interpretation.
So the fact that their circulated separate doesn't have anything
to do with whether or not there was a holistic
once for all fai, as Jude three says, and in
divine providence, that the texts were collected together. And we
know that this is the faith of the early Church
because the first second third century church fathers all teach
that it is the real presence. None of them teach
a symbolic view. Why would they all all had passed
down to them right after the death of the Apostles
a faith based on the real presence, before there was
even a collected Bible together.
Speaker 34: Well, first of all, I think you might be presupposing universality,
which is something that I don't.
Speaker 3: Agree with I think supposing that where contradicting.
Speaker 34: Huh, just with the assumption that all the texts would
agree with each other.
Speaker 11: That's one assumption.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that first second, third century church fathers, who
don't even have all of the texts, have a unanimous
interpretation of the real presence.
Speaker 34: And even then, though that also seems like an argument
to add populum. Just because many people believe something, that
doesn't mean that'sinate.
Speaker 1: Now that refute your point that it's not true, because
I'm arguing that why would it have been handed down
across the board to believe in the real presence? If
in John sixth Jesus wasn't teaching that, if that that
that wasn't his intention for his church. So I'm not
arguing that's true because they all believed it add popular
and I'm arguing that that proves that that's what's handed down.
Speaker 34: Well, right, But the thing is, I'd like to know
what their reasoning was behind it.
Speaker 11: Like, sure, I'm I'm open.
Speaker 34: To believing that it was passed down, but again I'm
I'm more concerned about whether it's true or not.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, at that point, then we're not really debating
about the claims of John six. But what whether religion
itself is true God's existence? I mean, what that's more
fundamental than this.
Speaker 34: Well, I believe in God. I just I'm saying my God,
believe in the.
Speaker 3: God of Israel.
Speaker 1: Well, the God of Israel is who.
Speaker 11: I mean? Yahwah's how he's often referred to.
Speaker 1: Okay, and is he? What unity? Are you Jewish?
Speaker 11: What I mean? I believe in godhead. I'm a member
of the Order of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: The Okay, well you don' you don't believe in the God?
Just say here we go, thank you. So you believe
in and worship a man who was a man that
became God and it was a creature, right, No, No,
well that's Mormon doctrine.
Speaker 3: What do you mean that's doctrine?
Speaker 1: What no? I mean? I've got Mormon Doctrine by Bruce
McConkie right here and under the entry about God the
Father it says that very thing on page two seventy eight.
So what do you mean?
Speaker 34: Okay, Well, Mormon doctrine, that book, Mormon Doctrine is not
the source of all Mormon doctrines.
Speaker 1: Can you name a Mormon who doesn't teach the adom
god doctrine?
Speaker 11: Who doesn't teach the atom god doctrine?
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is fun to make it to Moranism. The
Book of Mormon teaches this?
Speaker 11: Where where does the book.
Speaker 34: Okay, I'm just just want to make sure it really
cutting out.
Speaker 1: Hold on one second, my print is tiny, all right.
Excuse me, it's doctrine and covenants. Excuse me, I'm wrong.
It does not Book of Mormon's Doctrine Covenants. Okay, do
you believe that?
Speaker 11: What passage you are you referring to?
Speaker 1: Uh? Well, according to Bruce McConkey, it's in multiple passages
of Doctrine Covenants, including one thirty twenty two,