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Speaker 1: All day long on live streams. I got better things

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to do than just rip farts on fart stream. We

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could just call it a fart stream and then I'll

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started my only fans and make a lot of money

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because a lot of y'all are just weird. Dude, y'all

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got a lot of weird people getting getting off on

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weird stuff. It's not even it's too grossy to talk

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about what is wrong with y'all. Get off the internet, man.

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People were spending too much time on the Internet as

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human beings. Uh oh, I forgot this, supercha, Jacob Kabay,

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this is a question for FDA. No this we asked

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that last time. That was about what are the things

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that turn you gay? Rudy five dollars, Jay, I'm inquiring

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into Orthodoxy. I read in Ucbs that the early bishops

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of Jerusalem from the Apostles until Hadrian or Hebrews, who

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carefully observed the law. Has the Orthodox Church understand this?

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I have not read that in Eusebius. I'm not saying

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that you are wrong, but I don't know what it

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means to observe the law, and like in what sense

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I mean Orthodox Christians observe the law. Maybe he means

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the calendar issue in the controversy of courtradesseminarians. It's possible

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that the Bishop of Jerusalem was on the wrong side

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of that controversy. I don't know, but that would seem

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to be contrary to Acts fifteen. So I'm not sure

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what in what sense Eusebius is talking about the law. Also,

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by the way, you should understand that well, Eusebius is

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a Patristic writer. Unfortunate Eusebius was a semi arian, and

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so we don't exactly follow Eusebius too far. I mean,

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he's irrelevant historical witness, but he was also heterodox. So

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Eusebius is kind of in that class of Tertullian and Origin.

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They're relevant historical figures and writers, or they're ecclesiastical writers

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and historians, but they are not saints or Orthodox Church

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fathers for us, because they all ended up in heresing

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wayward frequency five dollars. Let's get smashed, Yes, please come

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smash me, not in a sexual way. All you discussing

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curbs Ozzie five dollars. Nobody has Ryan Maya one dollar.

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I was baptized in the Greek Church. But if the

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extumenical patriarch is excommunicated, Will they recognize my baptism? Yes,

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only after the ex communication with the not anonymous one dollar.

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You miss my super chat under anonymous? All right, I'll

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scroll back and find it JD one thirty five. What

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do you call Chinese woman with ha ha? I'm not

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going to read that. I may start instituting the I'll

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only read your super chats over a certain amount rule.

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A lot of people do that because it just people

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put in stupid shit for a dollar, and then you're

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stuck reading all this dumb stuff for thirty minutes. I

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might just read it only five dollars in a bow

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from no one. I don't know. We'll see data is

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seven twenty dollars. Excuse me, I think I missed that. Okay,

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here's some of the ones I miss. Scuma bear ten dollars.

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What is the name of the Soviet spy that said

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his orders came from bankers in Washington? I think you

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mean Christian Rakowski, who was a Trotze and he was

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arrested by the NKVD. It's called the Red Symphony, but

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it's not bankers in Washington. It's just the Roth Chiles

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as he was talking about. So just look up Red

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Symphony by Christian Rakowski and it is purported to be

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an interrogation of a committed Trotskyite, the socialist president of Bulgaria,

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Christian Rakowsky by the NKVD. And I think I did

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a whole talk on it. You know, there's a whole

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talk on it on my channel. Eric Vigilant thigh dollars.

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I'm officially orthodox catechumen. Thank you for showing me the

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world of Orthodoxy through the debate with you and Sam

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Schmunn versus the Muslims. Well that's great, man, I'm glad

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to hear that. I call zero three dollars. Jim Bob

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reacted to Matt Powell. He made a wacky critique of Orthodoxy.

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I knew him in high school. I would recommend watching it,

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even though it's low tier. Yeah, I mean probably fifty

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people and not fifty, maybe twenty people sent me this

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and it's I mean, honestly, like seven years ago, we

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were doing a lot of these responses to every like

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every few weeks, there was some dumb Protestant load tier critique. Uh,

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it's just it gets old too, because it's just repeating

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the same old stuff, like well, Dicole Noman on her father,

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you shall have no graving images there were there's one

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mediator between men and God, the wardies. It's like the same,

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like these low tier Protestant arguments have been responded to

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ad infinitum, and I just I can't keep doing that forever.

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It's too boring. I mean, everything that is in that video,

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I haven't even seen it. I guarantee you everything that's

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in that video I have videos on So just look

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at or just go to the clip channel. Man, if

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you don't want to go through my stuff, just go

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to the clip channel. Jordan and five dollars, do you

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have any recommendations on books on the lives of the saint?

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Your spiritual works? Therapy of spiritual illnesses is a good

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one with Rotheos blocos or excuse me, with Larsae. Excuse me,

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Steve mcleven. Five dollars. Did you see that Pope Leo

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is including the SSPX and the Jubilee calendar. I did

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see that plug your camera and it just plugged in.

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I'm not sure what to make of that. I think

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Benedict did this where he did all these overtures that

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were trying to reach out to the SSPX back in

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the time of I mean I was that's back when

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I was going to the Latin mass or was becoming

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more and more tad back under Benedict, and all that

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did was kind of further sort of put a wedge

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down the middle of the SPX with people preferring the

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state of position versus people who were kind of wanting

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to get out of this halfway house contradiction and go

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back to Rome. And a lot of the SSPX people

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at that time ended up just going to the FSSP

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who didn't want to be outside of jurisdiction. So it's

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probably some overture to bring them back into full communion,

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whatever the hell that is. Robert Galax had this idea

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of like half communion or whatever that is. But that's

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how they justify this nonsense of like Protestants are like

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thirty percent in communion with the papacy, Orthodox are like

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seventy percent in communion, Muslims are like ten percent in communion.

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It's just really retarded. I mean, I'm just kind of

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like at this stage where I don't understand what is

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going through people's heads. I don't get it. I guess

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the only thing I can come to is other than

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like everybody's being made really dumb by the toxic culture

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and the all this stuff going on dadis food slop

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on the internet. There's a spiritual delusion that is just

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like people just don't have discernment. The leaders they choose

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are not based on any kind of basic discernment skills.

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It's really weird. So I don't know. I don't even

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know what to say anymore. I feel like I feel

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like it's time for me to just break up with

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most people, Like we're not dating anymore. We had our time,

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we had our fling, and you know, it's time for

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us to become an elite click over here. That's what

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I'm trying to say. We are the one percent, the elite.

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We are the the movers and the shakers. Okay, we're

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the one sent crypto bro money masters over here. I'm

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just kidding.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say. What else would

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we be over here? Open minded? Daily grind five dollars?

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Why do they call them palm trees if they don't

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like palm look like palms? Ain't no one having funky

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palms like that. That dude's bringing a different vibe to

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super chats. Definitely bringing a different vibe to super Chats.

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Six of Spades twenty dollars. Here's my free fee for

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lurking here for a long time. Thank you for what

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you do, mister KGB. Cheers everyone, Hey, thanks to appreciate that,

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and shout out to the new members Six of Spades, Chris, Alexander,

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Gorilla Biscuits and a silver Ogre. We's got some new

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members in the house. Welcome everybody. Bitcoin rumors are weird.

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Don't listen to rumors. What are you talking about? Listen

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everybody that listen to me. And I'm not telling you

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what to do with your money. But if you, if you,

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if you thought my ideas were good ideas, we're up

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like thirty six X from twenty seventeen. I was looking

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and in four years it's like a ten X. In

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four years, go back to twenty seventeen, it's like a

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thirty six X. So ain't no, ain't no reason to

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fud the bitcoins unless you just low iq. But when

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I read comments, and by the way, I would do

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want to talk about dead Internet theory a little bit

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because I'm having a harder time figuring out what is

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real on the Internet now. I mean, it's just getting

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crazier and crazier and weirder and weirder. And we had

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dead Internet theory coverage video three years ago, a live

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to whole livestream three years ago on it, so we

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were fairly out of the curve. I wasn't the first

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to talk about that. There were some other live streams

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that to talk about it. I know it goes back

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to like four Chan theories and all that. The original

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theories are kind of ridiculous, right, It's like, oh, everybody

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on the Internet after twenty sixteen is a bot and

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it's all fake. I mean, that's it's gets so level stuff.

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But they were onto something with becoming alterations that we

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did see at the time of twenty sixteen that I

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think Google began to make due to the nonsense of

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Russian collusion and that the bots that the Russians bought

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were changing the election results just just super dumb. I mean,

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you have to be like committed boomer to our Democrat

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to believe that are we one hundred x from the

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low twenty seventeen that's possible because I don't know what

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the low twenty seventeen was, but I'm thinking from the

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time I started buying of buying it around two thousand

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or twenty five hundred. I can't rember, I bought it

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twenty and twenty eight hundred, but it was pretty low.

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But yeah, if you go from like whenever, I'm sure

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in twenty seventeen, at one point Big Quinn was a thousand,

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so that's probably one hundred x. But anyway, I mean,

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why am I talking about dead Internet through because I

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see bots now that are pretty sophisticated, arguing very precise things.

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And I don't know how this works or how they

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do it, but I'm pretty sure even a lot of

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the things that I see responding to me just trying

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to start crap, just trying to you know, stoke nonsense,

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Like yes, I understand that some people I might have

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blocked in the past can create a new profile or whatever.

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But there's a lot of bots in a lot of

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comments that are new profiles with no followers and like

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a few comments literally like very precise in their replies,

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So that to me suggests that boding has gotten really sophisticated.

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And remember, bots can now have entire conversations with bots

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that seem legit. Now, if you do it, if you

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talk about crypto, for example, you will immediately see this

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in your videos. Anytime I do a video that discusses bitcoin,

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it's inevitable that underneath I will get the gibberish crypto

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bots talking and arguing with one another. In fact, the

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last time I had to delete an entire discussion of

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all bots that most of us probably forty an under

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would recognize as fake, Boomers would believe this. They've been there.

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They've been there trying to argue with the crypto bots.

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Speaker 2: Like.

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Speaker 1: I can't get the bitcoin out of my game Boy?

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How do I get the bitcoin out of the game

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boy and into the ATM to get the dollar bitcoin?

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Right now, they're not going to be able to spot

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the bots. But I will say though that like the

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bots are getting more sophisticated than they really ten You

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remember ten years ago on Facebook, you would get on

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Facebook and it would be like ten butts that are

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trying to befriend you. It was like, oh shit, I

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already had like five butts as my friend. I guess

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I'll take another ten more butts as my bff. Well,

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I face butt and it would just be I mean,

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I'm joking. Obviously those are bots too, because like how

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many butts are actually on profiles on Facebook. Not very many.

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But we're no longer in the butt befriending phase. We're

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in the It's still annoying and it's dumb and you

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can spot it, but it's sophisticated enough that a lot

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of people fall for, is what I'm trying to say.

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And then I'm noticing, right, and Twitter seems to be

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really bad about it, because remember for a while there,

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for like a year, as soon as you put anything

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up is like theF bots were immediately they're posting gibberish

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and butts and prawn. And now I get the crypto

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bots on my Twitter too, immediately pushing gibberish, scam coins

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and whatever else. So they changed the algorithm in twenty sixteen. Also,

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by the way, people forget that I'd forgotten this, that

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a big part of the change of the Internet was

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not just the rise of Facebook, which happened to come

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the day after they had shut down that DARPA program

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called lifelog. So lifelog was this tracking and tracing posting

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nine to eleven gibberish nonsense that people forget that was

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pioneered by DARPA and it was then shut down because

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of libertarian criticism at the time. The very next day,

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right faceburg Premier's Facebook, and it just happens to be

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the privatized, identical version of what the darker program was. Right,

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classic Internet that we all knew. The next phase, though,

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was when I think it was around I just looked

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this up. It was like a I don't remember the

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exactly year, but it's like twenty eleven or twelve. I

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think it's twenty eleven where Facebook decided to institute an

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algorithm that was no longer going to show you your

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friend's post, but what they thought you needed to see,

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in other words, a version of the for you that

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we all love to hate. Now, this was the beginning

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also the end, because now face junk was face butts

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were feeding you mainstream news that you didn't even ask

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for in your feet. That was the beginning of algorithmic

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deciding of what you need to see, and they pushed

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it like, oh, but it's gonna be awesome, because it's

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gonna help you choose like what would be great for you.

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if you have YouTube music which is actually really good,

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that algorithm actually works pretty good to find other selections

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like what you like. Right, So the idea isn't bad.

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in terms of like tracking down and trying to find

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some cool song that used to take maybe I don't know,

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hours to hear something new that was cool. But the

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trade off is, oh, yes, you see, now the algorithm

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will control everything. And so that then led to the

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next phase of the era of Trump, which became the

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justification for everything has to change in terms of the

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Internet because of the Russian bots and the Russia collusion stuff.

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that was a fake and gray Even though it's all

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fake and gray, all of the algorithmic destroying of the

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Internet stayed in place. Well, of course it did, because

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that was just a pretense. The Trump nonsense was just

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a pretense for the basically the destruction of the Internet

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as we all knew it. And here's the funny part.

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The so called bots that were influencing boomers to vote

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for Trump because of little tiny squares on Facebook that

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the bots were buying out of Moldova, which supposedly swung

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the election. Ironically, it's the same system and establishment that

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is flooding with bots everywhere, I believe to create a synthetic,

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faking gray Internet. Now, what's the basic level. Yes, there's

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a basic level to where your data is being sold

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to push ads to sell crap to you. That's like

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layer one that Normy's get to.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: If you watch a lot of YouTube videos about dead

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Internet theory, it's a lot of soy normies and they're like,

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it's a conspiracy to sell you stuff. Wow, mind blowing. Yeah,

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data driven advertising, yeah, wow, groundbreaking. Yeah, good job soyman.

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But it's really naive to think that that's the extent

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of dead Internet theories accuracy and purpose. It's obviously about

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perception management and swaying public opinion. Now, it's not all

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the bots directed by Syncom or the government or whatever.

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There's other players as well. Right, you can go hire

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if you're a crypto scammer, you can hire bots to

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push your scammy crypto coin. So there's a lot of

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different people doing this. But the botting seems to have

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basically taken over large portions of where we are now

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congregate to discuss the issues, and it will also probably

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be partly the justification for why we're going to have

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to have this ID verification internet that's coming. And all

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of the reasons that they give are not the real

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reasons obviously, right. Like so, somebody asked me the day,

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they said, are you going to cover the UK because

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it's actually undergoing a socialist collapse? That's pretty wild. I mean,

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that's actually again John Coleman conspiracy throis. I mean, he's

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been right about pretty much everything. There's a couple of

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things that he got wrong. Okay, he was writing in

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the nineties as a boomer. Yeah, he's gonna get stuff wrong.

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I don't think that what's his name, Adorno wrote all

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the Beatles songs. Okay, that's over the top, But a

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lot of the basics that Coleman talks about are spot on.

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He said there's gonna be massive demographic are meant that

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would be done by design. There would be completely open

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borders eventually by design. I mean, he talked about a

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lot of stuff that would be in place by twenty

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twenty twenty twenty five. So he spot on about that.

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I would say he gets a as in terms of

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his predictive accuracy, and going back and reading some of

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his nineties books about what the technocrats have planned is

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really eye opening anyway. So dead Internet theory is seemingly

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about half right about where we're at right now. And

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there was just an article that came out a couple

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of days ago that about half of the Internet traffic

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they now believe is bots and that's everything. So that's

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making me think, Okay, view counts, likes, ad click revenue,

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like all this stuff is fake. I mean it's not

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totally fake. Obviously, we do get an audience over here.

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We're getting you know, consistent viewership for the most part.

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But I noticed, for example, in the last two weeks

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we were getting on our live streams upwards of anywhere

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from thirty to fifty thousand, and now we're back down

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to twenty thousand on average. So am I going to

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stop using AI tools? I don't use AI tools except

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for thumbnails. Is that what we're talking about? And actually,

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I'm kind of getting tired. I thought it was funny

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to make the preachers on the AI stuff, but I'm

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kind of tired of that now, so I might actually

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not use that. I do like listening to these spy

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things and the jabs funk. But let me play you

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a little bit of this and then we're going to

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open it up. Don't worry.

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Speaker 4: Online network called internet.

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Speaker 1: That's little mark with the A, and.

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Speaker 5: An online network called Internet that's little mark.

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Speaker 1: With the A, and then the ring around it. At

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see that's what I said.

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Speaker 2: Case said she thought it was about Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Really, it's a revolution on the Internet, the way that

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these people are getting the information out.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it certainly is. And the incentives of platforms are

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entirely towards censorship, towards taking posts down.

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Speaker 7: Every Australian will be locked out of the Google account,

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the Yahoo account, their Microsoft account until they verify their age, which.

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Speaker 1: Now this is what's going on in the UK Commonwealth

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Dominion lens. They're pushing the ID verification in order to

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save the children. Yeah right, I mean, the establishment flooded

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the whole world with degeneracy on purpose, but now we're

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supposed to believe they care about the h the same

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people behind Jeff Stein mcaffort, you suddenly care about children. No, No,

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this is to uh, basically get rid of the Internet

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as we know it. So this is all part of

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dead Internet theory, absolutely, and the bodying and the AI

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fakeness is also going to be part of the excuse. So,

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in other words, the assistant the establishment releases this junk.

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Now everything gets fake and gray. Oh, we don't know.

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Boomers can't tell if you know. Tupac and Elvis are

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standing on the moon in an AI photo with Lebron

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James and it looks real, and the Boomers are confused, Oh,

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is that really Lebron on the moon? How did get

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him up there? AI? Dude, it's not real, Boomer. Lebron

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doesn't have seventeen fingers on his left hand. But you

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see what I'm saying, problem reaction solution. They cause the

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nonsense and then provide the solution that they wanted the

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whole time. It's the classic establishment move. So when everybody

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bitches about the free and open Internet because of the

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bodying and because of the flooding of the AI slop everywhere,

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which eventually will get sophisticated enough to where it does

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look real. I mean, right now, it's just fooling like boomers. Right,

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But Eventually it's going to get to where you really

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can't tell probably, and that will again just be the

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justification to say, well, we don't know what's real what's

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not real? Internet, I guess we're gonna have to have

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everybody prove through identity verification and give us all your

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data and information, and we'll also shut you out when

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you say something mean. That's coming as well. You see,

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so you notice that each phase of this stuff is

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just leading to more of what they wanted to begin with.

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Does that make sense? So advertising and algorithms in twenty

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eleven with Faceburg, the next stage being the twenty sixteen

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massive algorithmic changes that Google does because Donald Trump won

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the election from Russian bots, all of which was fag

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and made up but still is in place. And also

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the coordinated including intelligence agencies working together with Facebook, YouTube,

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Twitter to shut down anybody criticizing koof That was another

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phase that was all admitted. Remember the Twitter files, Twitter leaks,

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all that stuff that was all real. That was just

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one tip of the iceberg, and it was the Atlantic

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Council telling Facebook shut all this stuff down, which was

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just NATO and all the goobers, the goons. So now

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we're in the next phase, which appears to be the

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rolling out of what the dead Internet theory people predicted,

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which is wasn't I don't think action was going on

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in twenty sixteen, but is more accurately what's happening in

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twenty twenty five. Right, So maybe not twenty sixteen, but

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twenty twenty six is where this is really coming to

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fruition and now pretty much anytime you search, unless you

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really alter and choose what and specify with tools what

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you're searching, it's just you don't get anything. You just

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get AI generated crap, and the AI literally is wrong

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half of the time, and it doesn't matter how many

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times they like roll out like version five versions. I

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don't use chat GBT, I use GROC though Grock still

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gets basic shit wrong. The only thing that Grock has

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helped me do is like tech stuff. It has been

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helpful for that, like actually making all this stuff hook

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up and work in here, which was a kind of

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a hassle. It's basically the only thing that it's done

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for me. In shitification, that's right, that's the term everybody's

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using for They're turning the Internet into basically a giant

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pile of shit on purpose, presumably for this. I think

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he's quite incredible, Like it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 8: Actually, the Internet as we know it is dying. Remember

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when the Internet was a gold mine of discovery. Every

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click led somewhere new random websites surprised us, brought us together,

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and gave us joy. Each corner of the web felt

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alive with human creativity. But now we're trapped on the

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same four to five websites. Half our conversations are with bots.

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We can't even identify our feeds overflow with chat TPT

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generated content. Everything looks real, but nothing feels human anymore.

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Speaker 1: Also, the reliance on these stupid AI things is making

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people dumb, especially the younger people, because they're now raised

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on this and they actually just default to it. And

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we started seeing this a year ago, two years ago,

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maybe even with people relying on this in debates. Right,

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even that idiot feminist, the worst debater of all time,

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not so erudite, literally reads the chat GBT responses in

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a debate. Misfit patriot reading the chat GBT responses in debate,

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just like the gaytheists that I debated, They do the

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same thing. So this is like literally making people completely stupid.

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They but they think this is an authority.

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Speaker 8: The dead Internet theory originated on a Gora Rhodes Macintosh

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cafe where anonymous users compiled evidence of what they believe

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destroyed the golden days of the Internet. According to the theory,

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the Internet died somewhere around twenty sixteen. What replaced it

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was a manufactured reality where algorithms dictate what we see,

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serving us sanitized content designed to maximize ad revenue. Online

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conversations with humans became conversations with bos and now with

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generative AI. Even the content itself is fake, written by machines,

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not people. The endgame is control. Corporations and governments use

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this artificial ecosystem to manipulate our purchases, reshape our political beliefs,

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and enforce conformity. They manufacture consensus, making us doubt.

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Speaker 1: That's the key. The main purpose is eventually to try

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to manufacture consensus, especially perception management and nudging basically, but

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not human nudging like Cas Sunsein talked about fifteen years ago,

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but bought nudging and kind of pushing people. And that's

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why I'll give you an example. I never ever use the

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for you ever, and I always tell people do not

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use the for you, because it's literally designed according to

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the Silicon Valley people themselves in their books. Right. We

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just did a analysis of Jaron Lanier's book who helped

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design some of the stuff that he wrote. When Jamie

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read it and we did a discussion on that. He

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said that Silicon Valley is literally run by a cult

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that believes that they will create a fake god AI

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and people will believe it and they'll run the cult.

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And then when you understand the game, be Teal and

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Durial pallunteer, I forget the other one. All this Lord

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of the Rings stuff. They think they're gonna be like

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the feudal lords over the Normis and the dummies that

470
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are going to worship their AI god in their megacities

471
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,440
tech dystopia. Now, as you guys know, we cover predictive

472
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:52,400
programming in Hollywood a lot. I was not shocked, but

473
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:58,480
also I was enlightened and I thought it was very interesting.

474
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When I watched Alien Earth. I don't know if you

475
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guys know, but everybody's talking about the newest installment of

476
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the Alien series, which is now a show on FX.

477
00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:10,799
It's really good. I mean, I usually don't like sci

478
00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:15,359
fi because it's almost always just the most soy programming

479
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,839
that's actually pretty good, not even because of like, oh

480
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,480
sci fi, a little bit of Flyer out in space

481
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would be gay no, no, because of the themes. So if

482
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you've watched the first few episodes of Alien Earth, you

483
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:34,880
notice that it's a future where the world is no

484
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longer nation states, but it's actually divided up by five

485
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or six corporations. So instead of countries, you have whalen Utani,

486
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you have the Prodigy Corporation. I forget the other ones,

487
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:52,720
but the theme of the series is the battle between

488
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the Prodigy Corporation and the whale in Utani Corporation. WHI

489
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,599
Jack's a pretty fascinating way to take the you know,

490
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,400
alien franchise narrative. So it's pretty good. But what's interesting

491
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is that it's a battle between AI and synthetic humans

492
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:18,880
and androids and then the bioengineering works of Whale and Utanni.

493
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,160
So Whale Utani is not as interested in AI and androids.

494
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,640
They want to focus on the bio engineering stuff. Anyway,

495
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I just thought it was really fascinating that, oh, the

496
00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:39,640
corporate elites want six global countries that are six corporations

497
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,960
and that's the future, not the nation state. Could you imagine, like,

498
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,079
like I said, what did the Pope of the future predict?

499
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:53,759
The Pope of the future predicted living in a Walmart. Listen,

500
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if I'm gonna have to live in a corporation city,

501
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,279
please don't be Walmart. What I don't know. I got

502
00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:03,079
to think about what corporation I want to live in,

503
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:09,119
because it's all going to be pretty fake and gay anyway.

504
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:13,400
So let's get back to this because it just reminded

505
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,199
me of the tech overlords, and they're basically they want

506
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to create this sci fi dungeons and dragons LARPing world

507
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where they're the dungeon masters.

508
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 8: Our own thoughts when they don't match the popular opinion

509
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,239
we see online. But that popular opinion it might not

510
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even be human. Here's the number that should terrify you.

511
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Bots now make up half of all Internet traffic, with

512
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human activity dropping every year. Some bots are helpful. You've

513
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probably chatted with Reddit bots or discord bots, designed to

514
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moderate content or answer questions. These are the friendly faces

515
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,280
of automation, but they're increasingly becoming the minority. The Internet

516
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is drowning in malicious bots. Anonymous, untraceable and multiplying rapidly.

517
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They're not here to help, They're here to manipulate.

518
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: We're going to go to open calls in a second.

519
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,519
If you disagree, you go to the headline. We're gonna

520
00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:06,800
watch a little bit of this though, So please guys,

521
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,559
how come too has patience anymore? Patients?

522
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 8: Relax, damn and deceive. In Ireland, the situation is even worse.

523
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,320
Bad bots account for seventy one percent of all Internet traffic.

524
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Nearly three quarters of their internet isn't even human. They're

525
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even here in the YouTube comments, this bot is claiming

526
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it makes two hundred and thirty thousand dollars every four weeks.

527
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Nineteen other bots replied, all claiming similar success. Click on

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any profile. There's zero subscribers, zero posts. Account created three

529
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days ago, some were made just nine hours ago. This

530
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,920
is a bot network, one person running dozens of fake accounts,

531
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programming the bots to talk to each other to create

532
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an illusion of credibility. And while it may be easy.

533
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Speaker 1: To spot, Brada, why you didn't agree with me? Brada,

534
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we were run to barrago. Do not read Damn, sir, sir,

535
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,840
why did you do that? Why did you do that

536
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where where Mister Nobody forty somethings, What is your favorite

537
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TV show? Tell me about The Wire. I haven't watched

538
00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:18,599
The Wire, I don't think unless I watched it a

539
00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:20,800
long time ago, and I don't remember. No, that was

540
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:27,079
some other Canadian series about spies and informants and drug lords.

541
00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:29,719
So I know everybody's told me to watch The Wire

542
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:35,280
has never gotten around to it. Favorite TV show? I mean,

543
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:40,639
I have a several that I really enjoy. Community was

544
00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:42,719
really funny. It was a lot smarter and funnier than

545
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:48,000
I expected. I mean, The Office is funny, it's a classic.

546
00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:53,719
Psych is one of my favorites. It's a really smart show.

547
00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:58,679
Mystery Science Theater is a classic. Riff Tracks is funny,

548
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:04,920
Twin Peaks. Yeah, so those are some of the ones

549
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,639
I like. I'm sure there's more of that that I'm

550
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:13,760
just not remembering. I feel like a Parks and Rec

551
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:23,320
is funny. Sopranos a classic anyway, so it's always sunny

552
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,639
and Philadelphia really funny. Have you watched mister Robot?

553
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 9: I did.

554
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:32,039
Speaker 1: I watched, and I thought it was really good, predictive programming,

555
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:34,599
really insightful, but then when it turned into like the

556
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:38,519
open gay scenes. I was like, I don't want to

557
00:37:38,559 --> 00:37:41,000
see gay sex, so I just turned it off. Never

558
00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:44,159
seen Sons of Anarchy, I don't I'm not into bikers

559
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:50,239
and biking. Shit's weird to me. A Panini two bounds,

560
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,239
Ai test Tube, Gub Gub, snail Man, Brave, New World Time.

561
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:54,880
That's where we're going. Dude, you got it right there,

562
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,000
Nemo Liberty two dollars? Do you think that Leslie Wexner

563
00:37:58,159 --> 00:38:01,079
is possessed for real? Baddybuck Well? I mean he says

564
00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:04,639
that in the interviews. I believe him a buying Isaac

565
00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:07,440
five dollars. Jay, I'm wondering if you've seen Fraser.

566
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Speaker 10: Well.

567
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: I mean I am aware of Fraser like I was

568
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,199
in the nineties. In the two thousands, I never really

569
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,400
thought Kelsey Grammar and that whole vibe was very funny.

570
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,519
I mean, I'm willing to maybe go back and give

571
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it a chance. In my experience, a lot of nineties

572
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:31,079
things don't hold up very well. Some things do. There's

573
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a handful of things that even from the eighties kind

574
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:36,920
of hold up as funny. I mean, Michaelcaine and Steve

575
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,400
Martin and during rutten Scoundrels is still funny to me.

576
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,559
I did watch season one of Ozark, believe it or not.

577
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:48,760
I've never seen Breaking Bad. I like Vince Gilligan. Oh,

578
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,760
X Files. X Files is one of my favorites all

579
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,079
the time, obviously, so I really enjoy it because Vince

580
00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:58,079
Gilligan is X Files. But I never watched. I just

581
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,199
didn't get it. I was busy when Breaking Bag came out.

582
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,119
I think I was in undergrador grad school trying to

583
00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:04,519
finish up so and have time to watch a lot

584
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:13,360
of TV shows. I have to say, man, I I

585
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:19,639
mean Community, it's almost as funny. Community for me is

586
00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:24,079
probably equal to the Office. I mean there's some really

587
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:26,960
funny Community episodes. And the thing about Community is like

588
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,360
you'll be thinking about it, you know, like months later,

589
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,719
and you'll be like you'll be quoting Chang or you'll

590
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:42,400
be quoting Ahbed. And I mean I never thought Pierce.

591
00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:47,320
I never really thought chevy Chase was funny because it's

592
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:54,199
Boomer era. But again, I promise you, because he's the Boomer, right,

593
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,159
chevy Chase is like the ultimate Boomer, and they make

594
00:39:57,199 --> 00:40:02,320
Boomer jokes all the time about chevy Chase. So there

595
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:03,880
is a super chat option. What are you talking about?

596
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,840
You can superchat me with stream labs it's pinned in

597
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,199
the link, or you can super chat natively through YouTube

598
00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:10,559
people who are super chatting right at this moment, so

599
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:14,559
there is a super chet link. I've never seen Trailer

600
00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:17,280
Park Boys, so I've heard that's funny. I've heard that

601
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:22,440
The Shield is good. Never watched The Shield. Oh the Americans,

602
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,760
that's one of my favorite shows. True Detective seasons one

603
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:31,400
and two are great. I watched season one of Madmen

604
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,159
is okay. I just kind of it was kind of boring.

605
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:40,119
I'm willing to give season two a little more another

606
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shot to see if I get get more into it.

607
00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:46,039
But I mean, I liked the setting and the idea

608
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and the writing and all that with Don Draper in

609
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that character, and I'm aware of the arc of the

610
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,159
character and where he ends up when it ends with

611
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the sixties hippie stuff. But yeah, we've got a lot

612
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of trailer park I take that back, Hubert, You're right.

613
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:07,760
I did like Chevy Chase in the Vacation movies. Those

614
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were fun. I did watch that in the eighties and

615
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in the nineties. But outside of that, like I remember

616
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watching Fletch when I was like twelve, and I thought

617
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it was funny. But then I watched Fletch when I

618
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:22,159
was in my twenties and I was like, this is

619
00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:25,400
not funny. So a lot of eighties stuff just doesn't

620
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:38,559
carry over to the day. Do I like Coen Brothers movies? Yeah,

621
00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:41,599
there are several good Coen Brothers movies. I mean, the

622
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,760
first one with Francis McDorman is a really good one.

623
00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:52,079
Their first movie about the the hit that goes wrong.

624
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:58,280
You know, Fargo's good, No Country, All Men's good. I

625
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,760
used to like Barton Fink, but it's a little too depressing.

626
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:07,559
They've got some good comedies too, so I was kind

627
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:09,760
of looking forward to the new Cohen Brothers movie too,

628
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,920
except that except for that was like, oh, so that's

629
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,280
like Aubrey Plaza is playing a lesbian there, and it

630
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:22,039
kind of looks like righteous Jym Sounes too, So it's like, yeah, anyway,

631
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:25,039
I don't know how we got on movies, but Albert

632
00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:26,840
spend five dollars. I feel like Alien Earth. You might

633
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:29,960
like Altered Carbon. A lot of people have said that

634
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:33,199
I just haven't had time to really to get into

635
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,320
all of these different shows, and a lot of shows.

636
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,159
If they don't really catch me the first few episodes,

637
00:42:41,199 --> 00:42:43,920
it's difficult for me to force myself through the rest

638
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:50,400
of it. Yeah, Idiocracy is great. It's prophetic for sure.

639
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,800
House I watched a few episodes at House, but it

640
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:04,360
was never gotten into it. Aiden Clark, have you seen

641
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,840
three ten to? Yeah, of course, Yeah, it's a good remake.

642
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,239
I liked it. I don't even like Westerns. I think

643
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,880
they're super boring, but I do like there's like two

644
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:21,320
or three Westerns, and I like that's one of them. Jacob

645
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:23,559
coveyed ten dollars. I've been trying to tell my cousin

646
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,159
and show him that in literature about how our free

647
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will is being subverted. He doesn't believe society's controlled in

648
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:36,679
other words, culture, entertainment, geopolitics. Well, I mean, so if

649
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:40,840
people can't read HG. Wells's Short Little Books and Bertrand

650
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,719
russell Short Little books to see that they're admitting it.

651
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,400
You know, if he's not going to listen to them

652
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,199
in the books, then he's not going to listen to you,

653
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:55,360
So you might as well just move on. Nick Boucci

654
00:43:56,559 --> 00:43:59,519
became a member for six months. What's up, Nick, where's

655
00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:01,639
the video you and Jamie talking about the Silicon Valley

656
00:44:01,679 --> 00:44:05,760
Guy on her page or your page? The Silicon Valley Guy. Oh,

657
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:12,480
you're talking about the jarn Lenny a book. It's the

658
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:15,480
last stream that Jamie was on with me with Anti

659
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Christ and Peter Teal. That's it. I forget the way

660
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,320
I titled something on Anti Christ Peter Teal something. It

661
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,159
might be a member's talking, don't remember. That's it, though,

662
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Aliens two dollars. Do you have any thoughts on the

663
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,000
Roadblocks child PDF drama. I don't know anything about Roadblocks.

664
00:44:33,039 --> 00:44:35,800
I just heard somebody saying that there's creepers in there

665
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,639
talking to kids. But I don't even know what it is.

666
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:44,559
It's a game that is it like Minecraft or something?

667
00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:51,480
But the new version of Minecraft? I mean I get.

668
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:56,199
I mean like, I'm not surprised. I don't know what

669
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,639
to say. Are they just trying to meet up with kids?

670
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,639
Have you seen any of the John lecar A films, Bro,

671
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,239
We've done podcasts on all those, so yeah, of course,

672
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Spy came in from the cole Tinker Taylor most Wanted man.

673
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I mean, we've done shows on all these. It's a

674
00:45:17,159 --> 00:45:23,760
poor kids minecraft second life for toddlers. People need, parents

675
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,800
need to get more sophisticated and realize what their kids

676
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are involved in. That's what I think everybody. People are

677
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:38,280
like opting into the state deciding what's good for your kids. Like,

678
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:43,639
where are the parents like policing their children's Internet time? Okay,

679
00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:46,960
we don't need socialist, fabian socialist governments in the UK

680
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:49,920
deciding what your kids see and don't see, which really

681
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,239
means that fabian socialist techmocratic government will decide what everybody sees.

682
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,960
That's what that means, because they hate your kids. They

683
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:00,239
want your kids gone. They're not protecting your kids. It's

684
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you idiots, moral oddist five dollars. Do you think bots

685
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,960
buy super chats or is that a line they won't cross?

686
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:12,880
I don't know about that, but I do know that

687
00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:16,960
people have shown. I think that what's obvious that on Twitter,

688
00:46:18,159 --> 00:46:20,199
some of the bots we're figuring out, or the people

689
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,239
running the bots were figuring out that verified accounts that

690
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,199
are bots are actually worth it because you get higher

691
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:32,039
up in the algorithm. So in that sense, yes, I

692
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:34,320
don't know that I've ever been super chatted from a bot,

693
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:45,559
though osmodic Where can I find a Russia Ukraine breakdown.

694
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,760
I've done several. There was one I did on John

695
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:56,239
Meersheimer lecture. Just search my channel Russia Ukraine. I mean

696
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,639
we've done probably three, four or five. I've done interviews

697
00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:05,000
with Patrick Henningson. I mean we've probably covered that maybe

698
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:07,719
five to ten times in the last few years. Six

699
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of spades, twenty dollars. I'm a bot buying a super chat. Well,

700
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,760
there you go, right there, there's your bot, Jake Uigbate

701
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,239
five dollars. Your legacy will prevail, especially the tools and

702
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,519
the Knowledgy provide hope to meet up with you in

703
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:22,239
real life. Been listening for a decade. Well, guys, won't

704
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,920
remind you that we do have a live event coming up.

705
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,639
The Ledwell conference has sold out all two hundred tickets

706
00:47:29,679 --> 00:47:32,679
sold out there, but we will have our own conference

707
00:47:34,679 --> 00:47:39,000
in November, and it's right here and doctor David Patrick

708
00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:41,079
Harry just joined us for this conference. He will be

709
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:45,920
speaking as well myself, Father Digan, and as Father Vladimir,

710
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:51,280
Metropolitan Jonah Jamie my wife, and I think another priest

711
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,440
that I'm not familiar with, and then I think Father

712
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,119
Vladimir is going to invite so This will be the

713
00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:01,400
Athens and Jerusalem Conference. As you know, that's a famous

714
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,840
quote from her Tertullian, what hath Athens to do with Jerusalem?

715
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:12,920
And we will be discussing the relationship between Orthodox philosophy,

716
00:48:13,199 --> 00:48:19,960
art and life, and that will be everything from aesthetics, iconography, living, apologetics,

717
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:23,079
all of that. And it's a two day conference. This time,

718
00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:27,159
it's a bigger event. We will have a larger church. Actually,

719
00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:30,079
we're going to be busting on another wall at our church.

720
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,840
This is the second wall that we're busting out because

721
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,400
we're growing, We're busting at the seams and we actually

722
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:40,280
think that we can accommodate more people now as a result.

723
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,440
So I'll put this link in the chat November. When

724
00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:49,559
is this November twenty first and twenty second two day conference.

725
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,480
We had our first conference earlier this year and it

726
00:48:54,519 --> 00:48:56,400
was a lot of fun. I think we had about

727
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,960
sixty seventy people come to our first conference. Fda came down.

728
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,239
I don't think he'd ever been to Florida, so it's

729
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:08,880
his first time down here. And me, Father Deacan and Ayas,

730
00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:13,840
Father Theodore, and Father Vladimir all gave talks in a

731
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,760
single day conference. We met a lot of the new

732
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:21,000
perspective inquirers and catechumens in this area of Florida. A

733
00:49:21,079 --> 00:49:25,360
lot of fun. But this will be a larger, two

734
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,880
day conference and we will have Bishop Jonah as well,

735
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:33,320
so it's also a little more prestigious. Hopefully we can sell.

736
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,719
We'd like to try to get to one hundred and fifty,

737
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,000
but we'll take one hundred hundred and twenty if we can.

738
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,199
But the reason it's a little bit more is because

739
00:49:43,199 --> 00:49:45,400
it is a two day conference. It's not a single

740
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:49,519
day conference. But if you're interested in Orthodoxy, this is

741
00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:54,719
for you. Also, I'm not going to say anything, but

742
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,880
I did talk to a Protestant that you all know,

743
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,079
and no not giving any names or any hints, but

744
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:07,159
there are some some Protestants that are interested in Orthodoxy

745
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:11,840
that you might know, and who knows, maybe they'll show

746
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,039
up at this conference. And so good things are coming.

747
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:19,639
Good news. Remember that I will be up at the

748
00:50:19,679 --> 00:50:23,039
Ledwell conference, but unfortunately it's sold out. But I think

749
00:50:23,039 --> 00:50:25,719
there might be other events and other dinners and whatnot

750
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,239
that you might be able to come chill and I

751
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,119
will have books, so even if you're not able to attend,

752
00:50:32,119 --> 00:50:34,079
the Ledwell conference. But if you did want to come

753
00:50:34,119 --> 00:50:38,639
get books or get signed things, I can probably still

754
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,239
accommodate that, even if I can't get you into the

755
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:46,320
Ludwell conference because it's sold out. So anyways, there's the

756
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,800
tickets there, and we've got this one planned way ahead

757
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,639
of time. Instead of six weeks like I usually do,

758
00:50:54,679 --> 00:51:03,280
this one is three months ahead. Let's see what else

759
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,599
is going on. Let me make sure I'm not missing

760
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:12,360
Ciba Chenets, but Nantium Emperor three dollars. Do you think

761
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,320
multiverse movies are being pushed as social engineering? Yes, I

762
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,480
did two live streams on this. I think when I

763
00:51:18,519 --> 00:51:24,679
covered Doctor Strange, the last Doctor Strange multiverse madness. That's

764
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:30,599
the very thing I said in that podcast. Recent quote,

765
00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:33,320
science has moved away from Big Bang and they're pushing

766
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:39,320
towards ex nilo creation, so they've had to pivot towards Yeah.

767
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,960
In fact, I think even with John Adams, and you

768
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,519
know we used to do podcasts, we were doing Afternoon

769
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:48,760
Commune podcast with John Adams like ten years ago, and

770
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,840
we were talking about how quantum theory and multiverse is

771
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:58,280
metaphysics for atheists. So that's exactly what's going on. Tribe

772
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,960
call Jake twenty dollars. Did you see the Waco mini

773
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,280
series of Michael Shannon. No, I've not seen that. I

774
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,599
didn't know about that. It's one of my favorites. Well,

775
00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:09,760
I will say that I'm not a huge fan of

776
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:10,800
Michael Shannon.

777
00:52:10,639 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 11: But.

778
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: He's in John McCarey's Little Drummer Girl series about Masad,

779
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:20,199
which is really good.

780
00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 2: Uh.

781
00:52:21,159 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: And Florence Pugh plays the sort of m k ultra

782
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,599
Delta sex kitten that's recruited into that. It's a great

783
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,480
John leccarray series that they upgrade or that they updated

784
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:36,480
to make it more present day, and he gets into

785
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,920
the sort of engineered dialectic between you know, the Palestinian

786
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,000
conflict and the time when they were being courted by

787
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:50,639
Soviet socialist ideology and then the neocons and the Masad

788
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,960
and all that. It's a really great spy series, Tinker Taylor,

789
00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:59,119
excuse me, Little Drummer Girl, which is a John leacray novel.

790
00:52:59,199 --> 00:53:01,559
But I did a podcast on that, and of course

791
00:53:01,639 --> 00:53:05,079
nobody watches these podcasts, Like everybody, all you guys that

792
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,559
tell me the movie and the show to do, We've

793
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:11,159
done it. But maybe because a lot of those I

794
00:53:11,199 --> 00:53:14,480
did when the channel was one fourth or one fifth

795
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,280
the size it is now. Maybe it's time to revisit these.

796
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:22,239
Maybe it's time to start going back into doing you know, Eyes,

797
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:26,079
Watchhut and Alien and you know, some of these classics.

798
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:29,199
I might do that eight and Clark two dollars something

799
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,039
about watching Star Wars. Is it worth it? Yeah? The

800
00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:35,559
first three Star Wars. I mean, well, I say the

801
00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:36,800
first three, but you know what I mean four or

802
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,199
five and six, which those are great, they're classics. Just

803
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,639
be sure and watch the sort of the original you know,

804
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:47,159
the ones that aren't with the CGI updates and all that.

805
00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:53,920
That stuff's trash. But yeah, I think you can't. You know,

806
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:58,119
before Disney got a hold of it, it wasn't garbage.

807
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:03,320
They're great movies. It's it's sad that they created such

808
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:11,400
a soy ethos and then Disney took it over and

809
00:54:11,519 --> 00:54:14,960
just destroyed it. But that's all probably by design, you know,

810
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:19,199
to make everything just fake and gay. But yeah, I

811
00:54:19,199 --> 00:54:22,760
would absolutely. In fact, I don't think we've ever actually

812
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:27,039
done Star Wars on this channel, so maybe it's time

813
00:54:27,079 --> 00:54:31,159
to actually do I don't even know if I would

814
00:54:31,199 --> 00:54:36,159
do these new ones. I mean, I mean, I might

815
00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:39,599
even defend the Christian Hayden Christiansen ones. I mean they're

816
00:54:39,639 --> 00:54:44,199
they're dumb, but they're actually still kind of fun. But

817
00:54:44,639 --> 00:54:47,559
after that, it's just like, I mean, Rogue one is

818
00:54:47,639 --> 00:54:53,519
okay as a movie, the Han Solo one, it was

819
00:54:53,519 --> 00:55:00,320
all right, I guess. But I have to to say

820
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,400
though that Jeremy Piven, he did pretty good with Mandalorian.

821
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:11,039
Mandalorian is not bad, but anything else is pretty rough.

822
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:18,159
Dude's pretty fake gay, But yes, absolutely, Like you know,

823
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,320
Star Wars, Impress X Back and Return of the Jedi,

824
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,039
I mean, just from a like a movie perspective, you know,

825
00:55:24,039 --> 00:55:29,039
they're some of the most important greatest works of art

826
00:55:29,079 --> 00:55:37,119
in terms of movies. For sure. I'll have to check out.

827
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:41,599
What are your thoughts on Waco given the Michael Shannon drama.

828
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,920
I mean, I was watching all of Alex's Waco documentaries,

829
00:55:47,159 --> 00:55:54,760
so you know, I'm definitely I'm definitely I feel sorry

830
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,440
for the people, and I think that definitely the Feds

831
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:05,280
overstept their boundaries and they were definitely wanting to do

832
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,920
a show of force and be tyrannical. But also that

833
00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:13,079
I think that's a crazy could obviously, but a lot

834
00:56:13,079 --> 00:56:15,360
of people don't know this, but Alex actually raised money

835
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,440
to help them rebuild their church. Do you guys know

836
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:23,440
that back at the time. Uh So, even though David

837
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,880
Krush is kind of a quack and an insane, prelessed,

838
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:31,239
maxed out cult leader, like the FEDS also went nuts there,

839
00:56:32,199 --> 00:56:35,239
Ruby Ridge, I don't know a whole lot about, but

840
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,679
I would imagine also probably the FEDS overstept their boundaries.

841
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,920
And but it's also hard to know with a lot

842
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:48,800
of these these prepper, sovereign citizen, radical anti ebobo people,

843
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:54,920
Like I understand the motivations and they're their thinking process,

844
00:56:55,079 --> 00:57:03,039
but also like there's something about like like what's realistically

845
00:57:03,679 --> 00:57:07,000
possible and not realistically possible, you know what I mean?

846
00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:13,719
Like to take these kinds of actions like that, it's

847
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:19,039
just sort of dumb. It's just like it's like, if

848
00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:21,280
I fly over to Saudi Arabia right now and I

849
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:27,039
start preaching in the streets, could I convert anybody to Christ? Maybe?

850
00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:32,079
Is it worth it? It's probably not the most the

851
00:57:32,119 --> 00:57:34,880
wisest course of action, do you see what I'm saying? Like,

852
00:57:40,199 --> 00:57:42,639
I think a lot of this stuff just takes wisdom,

853
00:57:42,719 --> 00:57:52,159
you know what I mean and unwise. Radical actions usually

854
00:57:52,199 --> 00:57:59,000
don't do much. Does that make sense what I'm trying

855
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,960
to say? And also a lot of times these people

856
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:09,159
are coaxed into radical action by other creeper, idiot fed groups,

857
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:15,039
like the whole McVeigh Elaheim city that was all run

858
00:58:15,079 --> 00:58:19,840
by a bunch of Feds, and I don't believe the

859
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:26,960
official okay see thing. But at the same time, it's like,

860
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:41,199
what am I trying to say? Cults thrive on times

861
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:46,559
of upheaval and uncertainty, and people are very naive about

862
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:49,360
how the world works, and so they get preyed upon

863
00:58:49,519 --> 00:58:52,039
by these things, and not just cults but also FEDS,

864
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:56,760
and they get enticed and entrapped and lured into radical

865
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:00,880
action because people are dumb, and there's an ending supply

866
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:07,880
of dummies who will engage in these actions. And it's

867
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,360
interesting because more and more people are becoming aware of this.

868
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,920
You would think, at least I tend to think that

869
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,119
because of what I see on the Internet. And then

870
00:59:16,159 --> 00:59:20,000
I mean nowadays, like you've got all the face lords

871
00:59:20,199 --> 00:59:22,760
calling everybody's calling everybody a fed, which is funny because

872
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,840
you didn't used to see that, right that was like

873
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:30,679
you go back to two thousand and seven era, and like,

874
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,119
you know, you're in Ron Paul Info Wars forums and

875
00:59:34,199 --> 00:59:38,280
you're seeing Ron Paul supporters talking about the Federal Reserve,

876
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,719
and then you're seeing people talk about Zionism, and there

877
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,360
everybody's calling everybody FEDS. And that was a very niche

878
00:59:44,119 --> 00:59:47,719
thing for people calling everybody FEDS. And now like the

879
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,400
face lords of the alternative media, everybody's calling everybody fed.

880
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,639
So it's just weird a weird time. But like when

881
00:59:54,679 --> 00:59:57,920
I look at assuming that I'm not seeing bots everywhere,

882
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,360
which it could be. That's what I'm trying to say

883
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,280
about today. It's hard to know now what's real and

884
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,400
it's not. But like people don't seem to have gained

885
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,440
much discernment when it comes to who they choose to

886
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:16,840
follow and who their face lords are. I love that term,

887
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,199
right for for just people that you see on on

888
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,320
thumbnails everywhere all of a sudden, it's like, you know,

889
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,159
for a while there, Jordan Peterson was like king face lord,

890
01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:29,840
like you just saw him on every freaking thumbnail everywhere

891
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:35,159
for years. And now we have a new crop of

892
01:00:35,199 --> 01:00:47,519
face lords, so fanatics and ideologues and young dumb people

893
01:00:47,519 --> 01:00:51,519
who are idealistic are very ripe for these things, and

894
01:00:51,559 --> 01:00:55,920
they don't. They don't they haven't lived enough to see

895
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,880
that the world isn't really shaped by that kind of stuff.

896
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,320
You don't really change the world. You got to kind

897
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,159
of be young, dumb, and delusional to think that your

898
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:08,159
little movement or your radical action or you're protesting is

899
01:01:08,199 --> 01:01:11,559
actually going to change the world. And usually by the

900
01:01:11,559 --> 01:01:13,639
time you're thirty or forty, you've kind of wised up,

901
01:01:14,599 --> 01:01:19,159
or you've become the cult leader who then right shapes

902
01:01:19,239 --> 01:01:21,880
and molds the young minds who are young and dumb

903
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:30,599
into that kind of action. So I don't know, I'm

904
01:01:30,679 --> 01:01:36,239
just kind of I'm yap rambling now, but it's hard

905
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,880
not to yap ramble when people kind of ask complicated

906
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,320
questions of like what do you think about Waco and

907
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:46,480
Ruby Ridge. I mean, I can criticize both sides of that.

908
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,320
And I've also seen, you know again, I was on

909
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,920
the ground watching and helping somebody do a documentary on

910
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:58,280
the Bundy Ranch, not the Bunny Ranch, the Bundy Ranch stuff,

911
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,679
and I saw how the FEDS and people like run

912
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,440
these operations. They're very elaborate, they're very they're done in

913
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,159
stages they're done even over years.

914
01:02:08,119 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 10: Uh.

915
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: And that was all done to undermine the lands rights

916
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:17,159
movement and it worked, and it worked because average normal

917
01:02:17,199 --> 01:02:22,880
people don't understand how people are co opted and entrapped

918
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:27,920
and used, and they probably never will. And every few

919
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:32,639
years there's a new batch of young dummies who are

920
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:41,039
ripe for the same fall. And it's just like at

921
01:02:41,079 --> 01:02:42,800
the time, I was like, yeah, I would stay away

922
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,480
from Seaville and did all the right wing or what

923
01:02:45,519 --> 01:02:48,480
were the right Oh, you're a fed, look at his

924
01:02:48,599 --> 01:02:51,519
nine diars a fed. He won't come support the right wing.

925
01:02:51,639 --> 01:02:53,880
But I was like, I wouldn't go anywhere near Seaville.

926
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:54,880
Who was right?

927
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:55,159
Speaker 12: Oh?

928
01:02:55,199 --> 01:02:57,519
Speaker 1: I was? But here we are years later, Oh and

929
01:02:57,559 --> 01:03:00,840
I'm still the Fed. I'm still the even though I

930
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,760
have like an awesome track record in calling this stuff,

931
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:07,000
not everything, I'd say, like a ninety five percent track

932
01:03:07,039 --> 01:03:10,119
record about this kind of stuff. Do people listen No,

933
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,400
they want to listen to all the other face lords. Well,

934
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,239
good luck with all that. And to me, it just

935
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:23,480
says like, Okay, just have fun. Lacking discernment, you get

936
01:03:23,519 --> 01:03:25,960
what you It's kind of like in bitcoin, like eventually

937
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,920
you kind of get reconciled to like, I'm not going

938
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,000
to convince everybody a bigcoin. I'm not going to convince

939
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:35,360
everybody Orthodoxy, who's Protestant, a Roman Catholic. It's like, at

940
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:39,840
a certain point you just say you stop, you say

941
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:45,400
go your way. Also, I think that's a level of

942
01:03:45,559 --> 01:03:48,960
maturity that a lot of people don't have in the

943
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:54,880
sense of and I think this is in the Orthodox

944
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:56,920
world too. It's a part of the Orthodox for an ema,

945
01:03:57,199 --> 01:03:58,760
not that you don't care, but it's sort of like

946
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:06,920
people have free will. You can't incessantly mind control and

947
01:04:07,639 --> 01:04:11,360
control people who can Orthodox. If people aren't interested in

948
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,400
you and they don't want what you're talking about, they

949
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:17,039
don't want your ideas and your message, you just move on.

950
01:04:18,639 --> 01:04:21,039
And sometimes it's difficult because you know you care about people,

951
01:04:21,079 --> 01:04:24,039
but like at the same time, it's like, but I

952
01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:27,199
gotta I gotta have boundaries, and I gotta set and

953
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:33,280
draw lines. And that's something that comes with age and maturity.

954
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,400
That's something Peterson too talked about that I think is

955
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,000
he's correct about. If you watch any of the Jordan

956
01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:43,440
Peterson clips on setting boundaries with people, whether it's family, work, relationships,

957
01:04:45,159 --> 01:04:57,960
internet like that's all really uh solid stuff. Uh yeah,

958
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,320
I just I mean, I'm not I I understand the

959
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:05,039
phases also of people waking up to stuff and then

960
01:05:05,079 --> 01:05:07,679
it's like, oh, we were lied to. Maybe Tiny Mustache

961
01:05:07,679 --> 01:05:11,119
Man's a good guy. I don't believe that. And I

962
01:05:11,159 --> 01:05:14,000
did six hours of debates with the Tiny Mustache men

963
01:05:14,119 --> 01:05:17,239
followers a few months ago on Twitter, had a lot

964
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:21,880
of views, and the arguments were just there was only

965
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,559
one guy who had actually had any historical knowledge. The

966
01:05:24,599 --> 01:05:28,119
recipes were just completely retarded. So like at the end

967
01:05:28,119 --> 01:05:30,760
of the day, if you do debates a lot, it's

968
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:34,000
pretty easy to kind of spot pretty quickly whether or

969
01:05:34,039 --> 01:05:35,679
not you're dealing with somebody who knows what they're talking

970
01:05:35,679 --> 01:05:38,039
about or they're just arrogant retards. And I don't have

971
01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:41,519
a whole lot of time and patients for just incessantly

972
01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:45,239
arrogant retards all the time. So sometimes the best medicine

973
01:05:45,239 --> 01:05:50,320
for people is for them to get what they want.

974
01:05:52,039 --> 01:05:55,199
Jub two dollars. I dropped a new j clip about

975
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:59,320
Heraclidean philosophy and flux. Oh that's perfect, Thank you, Jub.

976
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:03,360
Everybody check out jub Jiub's channel. He's got a lot

977
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,079
of great Rick clips on there a lot of my clips,

978
01:06:06,119 --> 01:06:08,639
but also a lot of other people too. Roll Stake

979
01:06:08,679 --> 01:06:11,320
twenty dollars. Looking back at twenty twenty, what do you

980
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:17,159
think about all the information that was leaked through alternative

981
01:06:17,199 --> 01:06:23,360
media about the mainstream media saying that the koof came

982
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:29,880
out of China as a conspiracy. Was that something EMJ

983
01:06:30,159 --> 01:06:36,960
was talking about. I don't even know, honestly, Like, I

984
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,599
don't know that everybody was like trying. I'm sure everybody

985
01:06:39,639 --> 01:06:42,840
was trying to spin it into their own ideological narratives.

986
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:46,519
And so if people who were neo Kon's, you know,

987
01:06:48,199 --> 01:06:51,679
for them, China is the only threat and not Israel,

988
01:06:52,039 --> 01:06:55,400
it's like they're gonna say, oh, it's all about China,

989
01:06:55,800 --> 01:07:00,920
China's attacking us and this and that. I mean, I

990
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:02,559
just don't think it's that big of a deal. Like

991
01:07:02,639 --> 01:07:05,800
every people all this geopolitical stuff, and that may sound

992
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,679
odd because I talk a lot about geopolitics, but at

993
01:07:08,679 --> 01:07:13,840
the end of the day, no, I don't think China's

994
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:17,519
like the I mean, there was a Chinese element because

995
01:07:17,519 --> 01:07:24,800
obviously Wuhan is there and all this, but lab leak,

996
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,320
who knows, Like I mean, I know that the supposed

997
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:29,239
of the CAA has admitted that it was a lab

998
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:32,400
leak and all that, but I mean they pretty much

999
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:35,239
work together with these entities. I don't really think at

1000
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:41,280
the top there's a huge disagreement between the elites in

1001
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:46,079
America and China. Cyrus Potama five dollars. Do you remember

1002
01:07:46,119 --> 01:07:48,719
what the live stream was with the tiny It was

1003
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:52,760
a x space, It wasn't livestream. You can't have a

1004
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:58,800
five hour debate on YouTube about that, dude. It's on

1005
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:01,559
I think that's now on my rock Fin. So if

1006
01:08:01,559 --> 01:08:03,519
you go to my rock Fin, it's somewhere on there.

1007
01:08:03,519 --> 01:08:05,880
It's like a five hour debate with all these goobers

1008
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:11,000
on Twitter. Is wrapp through two dollars? Your hair is

1009
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:15,280
looking fine today, sir? Oh, it's kind of gay, but

1010
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:19,760
I'll let it pass. Eight and Clark two dollars? What's

1011
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:24,479
the best YouTube channel? What is the best way to

1012
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:29,239
get a YouTube channel going ooh? I mean if you

1013
01:08:29,239 --> 01:08:33,000
were just starting, that's a tough question because I mean

1014
01:08:33,039 --> 01:08:38,399
I started my clips channel a couple years ago, and

1015
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,720
I mean it was kind of difficult to get to

1016
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:45,680
ten thousand even on the clips channel.

1017
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 3: So.

1018
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 1: That's a tough one. Because YouTube just keeps kind of

1019
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:55,359
changing every few months. It's like there's a new vibe

1020
01:08:55,399 --> 01:08:57,640
and everything's changing, and I don't know, I don't even

1021
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:02,760
know how to answer that. I've heard they're moving away

1022
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:08,640
from repeat content, but I don't know because I see

1023
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:11,159
other people's clips channels doing well, so maybe that's not

1024
01:09:11,239 --> 01:09:15,239
the case. But like, last couple of clips I've uploaded

1025
01:09:15,239 --> 01:09:19,359
don't even hit a thousand. This one hit three thousand,

1026
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:23,319
but I mean this one was difficult to even get

1027
01:09:23,319 --> 01:09:30,159
to ten thousand followers. So honestly, don't know. I hate

1028
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:33,520
to be to not give you a good answer, but

1029
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:41,119
like make quality content, yeah, I mean it depends on

1030
01:09:41,119 --> 01:09:46,239
whether you're doing a clips channel, a reaction channel, or

1031
01:09:46,279 --> 01:09:49,399
your own unique content. If you're doing your own unique content,

1032
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:54,119
I would just start by, you know, making ten to

1033
01:09:54,119 --> 01:09:58,520
twenty minute videos talking into the camera. You don't even

1034
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:00,319
have to use a whole lot of production value needs

1035
01:10:00,319 --> 01:10:04,119
to be you know, ten eighty and all that, and

1036
01:10:04,199 --> 01:10:08,560
that will probably get you going. And then if you

1037
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,359
you know, begin to build an audience, and you can,

1038
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:13,199
if you can talk for multiple hours and keep people engaged,

1039
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:15,960
then maybe you could start, you know, doing live streams.

1040
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:17,399
And that kind of stuff. So it really depends on

1041
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:19,640
what you want to do with your channel and what

1042
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:21,720
your channel wants to be. But it seems like people

1043
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,520
who do nische stuff they seem to do well. My

1044
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,479
channel is really old, like I was, I've been on

1045
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:31,119
YouTube since two thousand and seven or somewhere somewhere in there.

1046
01:10:31,159 --> 01:10:37,279
Pretty old eight two thousand and eight maybe, so I

1047
01:10:37,319 --> 01:10:39,600
don't know how it would work with a brand new channel.

1048
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,880
But it also again depends on what topics you're planning

1049
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:53,319
to cover. But it seems like some people say that

1050
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:57,720
you you have a better chance of growing. I don't

1051
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,399
know if this is true, but people say you have

1052
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:09,279
a better chance of growing if you are niche. So

1053
01:11:09,319 --> 01:11:11,439
in other words, if you're really good at your little niche,

1054
01:11:12,399 --> 01:11:15,479
that might grow faster as long as it's a popular nish, right,

1055
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:22,359
I mean, if it's like, you know, gay underwater seal training,

1056
01:11:23,119 --> 01:11:27,279
that's probably not many people. So, although that actually probably

1057
01:11:27,319 --> 01:11:36,720
will take off because everything is so crazy, somebody will

1058
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,479
said Rimmy one hundred dollars. Wow, thank you man, he's

1059
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:42,640
winning the super chat battle today. Jay. I want to

1060
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,800
thank you for helping me come to the faith. I

1061
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:49,520
was catechized largely due to your talks and debates. Thanks man,

1062
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:53,119
that's great to hear. What's your favorite psalm or proverb?

1063
01:11:55,159 --> 01:11:58,359
I like, I mean, I go through Proverbs pretty consistently.

1064
01:11:58,399 --> 01:12:04,000
In fact, I just restarted a jaunt through the Proverbs,

1065
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:08,079
so I will listen to Proverbs on audio. I mean,

1066
01:12:08,119 --> 01:12:10,880
there's a lot of chapters that are great chapters. The

1067
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,880
early chapters up to like seven that deal with like

1068
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:19,279
hose and thoughts are great. They're classics. Proverbs eleven is

1069
01:12:19,319 --> 01:12:23,359
a great chapter, fifteen is a great chapter. There's a

1070
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,279
lot of great psalms. I mean, Psalm two is a classic,

1071
01:12:28,039 --> 01:12:33,159
you know. Psalm thirty two is great. Psalm fifty slash

1072
01:12:33,199 --> 01:12:36,359
fifty one is great for repentance. Obviously we sing it

1073
01:12:36,399 --> 01:12:38,920
all the time and prayed all the time the Orthodox

1074
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:43,079
liturgy and prayers. Psalm one ten is great. I mean,

1075
01:12:43,159 --> 01:12:45,640
there's there's a lot of classic songs. The penitential songs

1076
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:47,600
are also good. So it kind of depends on the

1077
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,840
mood and what's going on in your life in terms

1078
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:57,920
of like what are the appropriate songs. Brendan Turner five

1079
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:02,520
dollars Independent media quote unquote. Push is ground news ads

1080
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:06,680
are the most incoherent people ever. I don't even know

1081
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:08,640
what that is, but I think you're saying that it's

1082
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:15,000
like fake independent media with corporate ads and backing. They

1083
01:13:15,039 --> 01:13:18,520
are in real time advocating against themselves. Big Daddy Bill

1084
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,880
Gates tells me who is who? Oh? Oh, that's like

1085
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:24,520
the Bill Gates fake independent media. Okay, that's Bill Gates's

1086
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:29,680
fake verification will tell you who the authorities are. Yeah,

1087
01:13:30,239 --> 01:13:35,039
Sage five dollars drum show by twenty one Pilot's analysis

1088
01:13:35,119 --> 01:13:40,039
drum Show. I think you'll love it, Jay, Okay, I'll

1089
01:13:40,119 --> 01:13:41,479
check a look at that. I don't know what that is.

1090
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:44,279
That is that like anime? I always get anime requests?

1091
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:50,079
IMT Drives. Did you hear about the Matt Powell video? Yes?

1092
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,239
You I read your super chat earlier. You knew him

1093
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:57,039
in high school. He made an anti Orthodox video. Yeah.

1094
01:13:57,439 --> 01:13:59,119
We don't spend a whole lot of time replying to

1095
01:13:59,159 --> 01:14:02,199
every low tier Protestant thing because it's just never ending.

1096
01:14:02,199 --> 01:14:07,199
Aid and Clark five dollars think about doing true horror,

1097
01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:11,079
conspiracy and mystery and history for YouTube. Oh, that's what

1098
01:14:11,119 --> 01:14:16,960
you're thinking about doing true horror, conspiracy, mystery and history. Yeah,

1099
01:14:17,199 --> 01:14:20,439
except that you could probably do better off with true

1100
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:23,479
crime and mystery and history because YouTube is not gonna

1101
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:28,840
favor true conspiracy. I don't think that's gonna be favored

1102
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:31,039
in the algorithm, but you can, you can definitely experiment

1103
01:14:31,159 --> 01:14:33,920
with it. But the other stuff sounds sounds like it

1104
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:43,600
could work. Okay, let's open it up because I've been

1105
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:45,239
yapping for a long time and we did get through

1106
01:14:45,399 --> 01:14:46,760
some of the stuff I wanted to talk. I've been

1107
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:48,520
wanted to talk about the dead Internet stuff really the

1108
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:52,319
last two weeks of streams. I'll give you this girl's

1109
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:56,479
video here. She looks like she has overall pretty good content.

1110
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:59,439
I've not watched all of her stuff. I've watched maybe

1111
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,319
two or three of her videos. Vanessa. She's got a

1112
01:15:02,359 --> 01:15:08,039
good video on all this AI stuff being bad. Also,

1113
01:15:08,119 --> 01:15:10,199
look at the video that Jamie and I did on

1114
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:17,119
this where we covered her analysis of Peter Till's book,

1115
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:21,760
I mean Jaron lannie A's book. But we also covered

1116
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:24,000
a lot of what Peter Teal talks about. Where was

1117
01:15:24,039 --> 01:15:30,359
it at? I might have made it a members talk

1118
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:40,000
I think I did, because it got it got demonetized.

1119
01:15:49,439 --> 01:16:10,640
M hmmm, Where's it at? Maybe I didn't even maybe

1120
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:15,840
it's maybe it is public. Still where is it at? Man?

1121
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:17,880
Is it so hard to find stuff on YouTube?

1122
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:18,199
Speaker 13: Dude?

1123
01:16:18,199 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 1: This is crazy? Oh here it is technocracy, peer till

1124
01:16:25,039 --> 01:16:30,840
on Antichrist. This is it. And there's the dude right there,

1125
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:34,399
there's your wook, your wook that tells you about the

1126
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:43,359
AI cult. All right, let's open it up here. Let's

1127
01:16:43,359 --> 01:16:55,960
see who's in line. Terry, what's up, Terry? Terry? Yaqui,

1128
01:16:56,039 --> 01:17:04,159
what's up? Terry?

1129
01:17:04,159 --> 01:17:04,239
Speaker 14: You?

1130
01:17:04,399 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 1: I'm you.

1131
01:17:13,119 --> 01:17:13,239
Speaker 2: Yo?

1132
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, hey, big fan.

1133
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:21,359
Speaker 15: Always if you've been on the internet, page is the goat?

1134
01:17:22,119 --> 01:17:26,319
I was just wondering, Uh, is going to a Serbian

1135
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:28,680
Orthodox fight? I just heard there was like some Acumenist

1136
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:29,119
things and.

1137
01:17:29,079 --> 01:17:29,680
Speaker 3: Whatever with it?

1138
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 1: Do what say it? Again?

1139
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,039
Speaker 15: Is going to a Serbian Orthodox church?

1140
01:17:36,119 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 2: Fine?

1141
01:17:38,039 --> 01:17:41,039
Speaker 1: I mean you could there can potentially be good and

1142
01:17:41,119 --> 01:17:44,720
bapteople anywhere, so I mean there might be Ecumenists at

1143
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:48,079
a row Court church. I mean there's no perfect jurisdiction,

1144
01:17:48,319 --> 01:17:50,840
so I would just check out all your.

1145
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 15: Options, okay. And I just said one more question. Yeah,

1146
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:59,039
I can sort of barely like break into the theology

1147
01:17:59,079 --> 01:18:02,359
talks because I'm so lit all that, uh, and can't

1148
01:18:02,399 --> 01:18:06,199
really like discern between things really, but like for example,

1149
01:18:06,239 --> 01:18:11,119
your series refuting the Orientals with Kai and David, but

1150
01:18:11,199 --> 01:18:14,760
then like Agent, the Oriental Dude, THEYD a lot of

1151
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,119
response videos to all four of them, So it's just

1152
01:18:17,119 --> 01:18:19,000
hard for me to discern. Would you ever like debate

1153
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:22,960
Agent or even like the true Orthodox I'm still discerning

1154
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:24,640
between that those guys.

1155
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,159
Speaker 1: No, it's not really worth my time to do that,

1156
01:18:29,279 --> 01:18:32,640
but I appreciate your question. I would just take your

1157
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,640
time with trying to suss out this stuff. Isaac, what's up?

1158
01:18:45,399 --> 01:18:48,079
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what's up? What's up?

1159
01:18:48,319 --> 01:18:50,119
Speaker 16: I don't know if you're already. I asked a question

1160
01:18:50,359 --> 01:18:55,039
the other day. It was about like the Israeli view

1161
01:18:55,199 --> 01:18:59,359
Gentiles and the Old Testament. I want that with you.

1162
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:03,479
It's not about the Old Testament. But okay, so you

1163
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:07,199
said that the Israelites had to have that view or

1164
01:19:07,199 --> 01:19:09,840
whatever because the gentile nations are trying to deshoy them

1165
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:11,960
because they're trying to produce the Messiah or whatever.

1166
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:12,520
Speaker 13: And stuff like that.

1167
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 16: But what about like in the New Testament, when like

1168
01:19:16,239 --> 01:19:20,760
Jesus referred to like the Canaanite.

1169
01:19:20,239 --> 01:19:23,399
Speaker 13: Women as like a gentile the og and stuff.

1170
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Speaker 16: And like like the only way, like he got like

1171
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:29,800
he healed her daughters when she like kind of like

1172
01:19:30,399 --> 01:19:33,159
almost like degraded herself and like said like, oh, even

1173
01:19:33,199 --> 01:19:35,079
the dogs get the scraps.

1174
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 3: At the master's table.

1175
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Speaker 13: And the masters in this situation be the Jews.

1176
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:43,640
Speaker 1: Obviously, Well, that's still at a period when the Church

1177
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:47,840
is the nation of Israel, and so Jesus doesn't call

1178
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:52,640
all Jews, irrespective of their living righteous. In fact, he

1179
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:55,720
spends most of his time rebuking the Jews and actually

1180
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:58,319
saying that there are gentiles that are more righteous than

1181
01:19:58,319 --> 01:20:00,680
the Jews. This happens multiple times the Book of Luke,

1182
01:20:01,079 --> 01:20:03,680
which enrages the Pharisees to want to kill and too

1183
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:06,920
stone Jesus. But it is still the case that the

1184
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:11,680
Pagans are also filthy pagans. So Jesus says that the Pharisees,

1185
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:15,319
who are self righteous, are actually worse than the Pagans

1186
01:20:15,319 --> 01:20:20,119
and the sinners in the Degenerates, but he spends his

1187
01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:23,359
time not trying to convert Pharisees, but trying to convert

1188
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:25,720
people like that. So it is still the case that

1189
01:20:26,119 --> 01:20:31,319
she is an unclean pagan person, but by her repentance

1190
01:20:31,359 --> 01:20:35,279
in her faith and her recognition of her unclean status

1191
01:20:35,319 --> 01:20:39,920
morally speaking, that's when she's saved. But this is still

1192
01:20:40,199 --> 01:20:43,159
what's called the intertestamental period. In other words, it's still

1193
01:20:43,159 --> 01:20:46,960
the transition phase. So the end of that covenant doesn't

1194
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:52,319
occur until Jesus dies, descends into Hades, and then is

1195
01:20:52,359 --> 01:20:55,359
resurrected and it sins, and then it's not even until

1196
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:57,520
the destruction of the temple in seventy a d. Which

1197
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,920
Jesus predicts in Luke twenty one in Matthew four that

1198
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:04,439
you have the complete finality of the Old Covenant. After

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that transition period, from the time of Christ's birth until

1200
01:21:08,159 --> 01:21:11,479
seventy eighty, there's going to be an overlap to where,

1201
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:15,960
for example, Paul in one situation, decides that it's advantageous

1202
01:21:16,039 --> 01:21:19,840
to circumcise Timothy just so he won't have to deal

1203
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:23,800
with opposition from the Jews, and at the same time,

1204
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,880
there's still pushing at the Council of Jerusalem Act fifteen

1205
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:32,159
that it's no longer necessary to circumcise Gentiles. So that's

1206
01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:35,640
what's called the transition period. But after that period, if

1207
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:38,279
you look at Revelations one, two, and three, Jesus makes

1208
01:21:38,319 --> 01:21:41,800
it very clear that rabbinic flesh. Jews are no longer

1209
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:46,800
the real Jews. The Church is the spiritual Israel Galatians

1210
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:52,479
six sixteen. It's what's given all the promises of Deuteronomy.

1211
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:54,479
If you look at the way that Jesus in Deuteronomy

1212
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:56,640
talks to the Israelites, and he says that there's blessings

1213
01:21:56,640 --> 01:22:00,800
and cursings, those same blessings and cursings are in Revelation

1214
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,359
one twenty three to the seven Churches of Asia Minor.

1215
01:22:03,399 --> 01:22:06,279
He says, if you do this, you'll be blessed, you'll overcome,

1216
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:09,960
you'll sit with me judging the world, et cetera. If

1217
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:13,319
you fail, then you are subject to the curses, just

1218
01:22:13,359 --> 01:22:15,000
like all the nations or so in other words, it's

1219
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:16,640
a both and and not in neither or.

1220
01:22:18,319 --> 01:22:21,279
Speaker 16: Don't you think, like I know, this is kind of different,

1221
01:22:21,279 --> 01:22:24,720
but it's still summary. Like when you guys call yourself

1222
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,800
like the new Israel, like the true like this, like

1223
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:30,119
this true Jews like that kind of sounds like the

1224
01:22:30,199 --> 01:22:33,119
Black Hebrew is or relates, you know what I mean,

1225
01:22:33,279 --> 01:22:34,359
Like I don't know.

1226
01:22:34,279 --> 01:22:37,520
Speaker 1: Well, there's a big difference there. One of them actually

1227
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:40,239
fulfills the prophecies of the Old Testament of the gentile

1228
01:22:40,319 --> 01:22:43,399
nations coming into the Church and becoming the priests, as

1229
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:46,880
Isaiah says, and as the entire New Testament says multiple

1230
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:50,279
times over, versus a racial ideology that has nothing to

1231
01:22:50,319 --> 01:22:52,680
do with the Old Testament or the New Testament that

1232
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:54,920
was invented by a bunch of black cult leaders about

1233
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:55,720
sixty years ago.

1234
01:22:57,319 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 16: I mean, the Old test and it is kind of

1235
01:23:01,039 --> 01:23:03,000
like a racial ethno book.

1236
01:23:03,039 --> 01:23:05,159
Speaker 1: Again, you're you don't really I'm not trying to be

1237
01:23:05,239 --> 01:23:07,279
rude to you, but like you have no idea about

1238
01:23:07,319 --> 01:23:10,600
these topics because there's dozens of prophecies in the Old

1239
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:15,640
Testament about the gentiles coming into the Church or the Covenant,

1240
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,840
which conflicts with the Rabbinical interpretation. So you have an

1241
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:22,920
assumption that the Old Testament is what Rabbinical orthodoxy says

1242
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:25,239
it is and not what I.

1243
01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 13: Know, you guys have a different interpretation.

1244
01:23:27,119 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 1: So you know, it's not an interpretation, it's what it is.

1245
01:23:30,039 --> 01:23:33,039
But it's like it's the Christian reading of the text

1246
01:23:33,239 --> 01:23:35,399
versus the Rabbinic reading of the text. So you're basically

1247
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:37,880
just telling me that the Rabbis are correct.

1248
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:45,199
Speaker 16: No, but I mean you you understand like that, like

1249
01:23:45,279 --> 01:23:48,479
the way like the modern Jews think, and like you know,

1250
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,199
you always see like the Orthodox like can just people online.

1251
01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:53,520
Speaker 13: I was talking about like the Talmud and stuff like that,

1252
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:55,800
like the way they think in.

1253
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:57,119
Speaker 1: The way they the.

1254
01:23:58,199 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 16: Jews, like the way that the way they behave and

1255
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:03,479
think towards gentiles, and the way they act in different nations.

1256
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:05,560
Speaker 3: It doesn't come from the Talment. It comes from the

1257
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:06,239
Old Testament.

1258
01:24:06,359 --> 01:24:08,359
Speaker 16: Like you have stuff in like the Old Testament talking

1259
01:24:08,399 --> 01:24:11,479
about how like Jews should like lend to other nations,

1260
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:12,840
but they shouldn't borrow from the.

1261
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:17,319
Speaker 1: Like that's you. That's usually no. I already already already

1262
01:24:17,359 --> 01:24:20,359
said that there was a time period when those things

1263
01:24:20,399 --> 01:24:22,840
were allowed, and then there's a time period where they're

1264
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:25,520
not allowed. So what you're not understanding is who's the

1265
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:28,319
focus of these these Old Testament passages, like all these

1266
01:24:28,359 --> 01:24:31,640
passages about the Messiah. That's the crux of the issue.

1267
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:33,479
So if the Jews are right and there is no

1268
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:36,720
Messiah that's come, then they can still be reading their

1269
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:39,199
talmoent and their Torah the way they read it, and

1270
01:24:39,239 --> 01:24:40,960
they read the Torah through the lens of the Talmot,

1271
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:43,159
by the way, So that's that's not false to say

1272
01:24:43,159 --> 01:24:45,720
that that's actually true, because there's a lot of places

1273
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:47,720
in the Old Testament that the Jews don't want to

1274
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:49,399
talk about. For example, they don't want to talk about

1275
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:52,479
Daniel nine and the prophecies of the Messiah and Daniel nine,

1276
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:55,159
and they actually curse gentiles that read that because it's

1277
01:24:55,279 --> 01:24:58,600
such a clear reference to the person of Christ born

1278
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:01,760
at the time of the Roman Empire. So I think

1279
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:06,079
that your assumption about how the Old Testament works is

1280
01:25:06,079 --> 01:25:09,920
again coming from this Rabbinic stance. But the Rabbinic stance

1281
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:15,880
ignores all these passages about gentiles converting to the Messiah

1282
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:18,279
when he comes, And wouldn't you know that's what happens

1283
01:25:18,319 --> 01:25:21,000
when Jesus comes. Why would there be so many passages

1284
01:25:21,039 --> 01:25:24,159
of the gentiles converting in the Psalms and in Isaiah

1285
01:25:24,199 --> 01:25:27,720
and Zachariah, even all the way back in Genesis twelve,

1286
01:25:28,159 --> 01:25:30,640
in the promise to Abraham that all the nations of

1287
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:33,720
the earth would be blessed in his descendant. Why would

1288
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:36,439
that happen if the Christians are wrong?

1289
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 16: Well, I think that Jews do think like the gentiles,

1290
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:43,640
work will like come to like the real likes.

1291
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:48,159
Speaker 1: I know that, But I'm saying that that Jesus fulfills

1292
01:25:48,199 --> 01:25:51,279
these prophecies, and they don't think that. So you guys

1293
01:25:51,319 --> 01:25:55,319
who are like, uh, sort of from this Paganish perspective

1294
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:59,439
or whether you're making the Pagan arguments, this is from

1295
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:03,199
the Pagan respective, Like, you guys don't even understand the

1296
01:26:03,199 --> 01:26:06,600
Biblical theology. You just cite the passages from the Rabbinic

1297
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:09,399
argument and from the Rabbinic standpoint, and then you're like,

1298
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:11,239
you guys aren't really faithful to the Bible because you

1299
01:26:11,239 --> 01:26:13,720
don't have the Rabbinic interpretation. Well, you're assuming the thing

1300
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:16,600
in question, which is whether the Rabbinic interpretation is correct.

1301
01:26:17,039 --> 01:26:20,079
So the question then is, well, who's the Messiah? I mean,

1302
01:26:20,279 --> 01:26:23,479
the messiahs said to die and to come back to life.

1303
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:25,479
And do you know that the Rebnag Jews say that

1304
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,079
there's two messiahs. That's how they get around those passages.

1305
01:26:28,399 --> 01:26:30,800
So what sounds like, what's more likely that Jesus is

1306
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:32,680
the one that fulfills the passages because he died and

1307
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:36,239
he resurrected, or there's Messiah Ben Joseph and messiab and David.

1308
01:26:36,239 --> 01:26:37,279
There's two different messiahs.

1309
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, I did what you're saying it just it

1310
01:26:42,039 --> 01:26:43,840
just feels kind of like cup there.

1311
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:46,159
Speaker 13: It's like I feel like like it is a gentile.

1312
01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 16: It's like you're almost like a second class, like you

1313
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:50,239
get like the sloppy seconds.

1314
01:26:50,399 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 13: Like I don't know, like we were like.

1315
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:55,760
Speaker 3: Called like filthy like pagan devil worshipers.

1316
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,720
Speaker 1: Well that's because most of the gentiles were a filthy pigan.

1317
01:27:00,399 --> 01:27:06,079
Speaker 3: That was actually true back then. Yeah, I don't know.

1318
01:27:06,159 --> 01:27:08,680
It's just like I don't know.

1319
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:10,640
Speaker 1: So you keep saying I don't know, I don't O

1320
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:13,479
don't know, But like, what are all these passages about

1321
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:16,920
the Messiah dying in Psalm twenty three some twenty two,

1322
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:20,159
twenty three, you know, Isaiah fifty four, Isaiah fifty three,

1323
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:23,800
like Isaiah sixty five sixty six talks about gentile priests.

1324
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:25,199
What are all these passages.

1325
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:29,039
Speaker 16: About they they definitely sound like Jesus for sure.

1326
01:27:29,239 --> 01:27:33,640
Speaker 1: Okay, So are you saying that Jesus is a Jewish conspiracy?

1327
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:34,520
Is that your view?

1328
01:27:35,279 --> 01:27:37,560
Speaker 3: No, I don't know if I like hold that view.

1329
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:40,520
It's just like I don't know.

1330
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 16: I just I just don't get like why God would

1331
01:27:43,079 --> 01:27:45,880
like choose like a people look supreme over others and

1332
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:47,880
stuff like I don't know. I know, you think like, oh,

1333
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,239
it's they're chosen to bring in the Messiah and stuff

1334
01:27:50,239 --> 01:27:53,880
like that, but I don't know, like I don't really

1335
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:54,159
like that.

1336
01:27:54,239 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 1: I guess, Okay, well, then go be a pagan, like,

1337
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:59,720
I mean, that's your choice. You're you have the see

1338
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:02,359
if you enjoy that world and see if that works

1339
01:28:02,359 --> 01:28:15,840
out for you. Joshua, what's up, man, Joshua, I'm mute.

1340
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:19,359
Speaker 4: That's such a Father Russell kind of way of dealing

1341
01:28:19,399 --> 01:28:22,279
with play with people bringing objections.

1342
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:25,119
Speaker 3: He's like, Okay, maybe orthodox he isn't for you.

1343
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:31,039
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's like, basically the argument is I

1344
01:28:31,039 --> 01:28:33,239
don't like that, that's not what I want. Well, then

1345
01:28:33,279 --> 01:28:41,119
this is not for you. And no, I mean the

1346
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:45,000
New Testament is very clear that there isn't neither June

1347
01:28:45,079 --> 01:28:48,439
or Gentile. So all of these arguments are hinged on

1348
01:28:49,239 --> 01:28:54,279
what was allowed and what God condescended to let Jews

1349
01:28:54,359 --> 01:28:56,840
do for survival and for the protection of the of

1350
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:59,960
the production of the Messiah. And now that the Messiah's come,

1351
01:29:00,199 --> 01:29:02,359
it's like, well, but I don't like that he did

1352
01:29:02,399 --> 01:29:04,560
all that back then. It's like, well, okay.

1353
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:06,560
Speaker 3: Well, I mean obviously.

1354
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:10,279
Speaker 4: God because the second person in the trinity becomes incarnate,

1355
01:29:12,159 --> 01:29:16,760
he obviously has to be of a particular ethnicity and stuff.

1356
01:29:17,399 --> 01:29:20,359
So it's like, well, I don't like the region he

1357
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:25,840
came from, Like, how is that? I mean the other

1358
01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:29,880
thing I noticed about them too, they take their criticism

1359
01:29:30,279 --> 01:29:33,800
of modern Talmudic rabbinical today ism just like you saw

1360
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:37,119
this guy and they're really didn't go, well, the ancient

1361
01:29:37,159 --> 01:29:38,239
Hebrews must have been the same.

1362
01:29:38,319 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 3: So whatever problems they have.

1363
01:29:40,319 --> 01:29:46,079
Speaker 4: People have with Talmudic Jews, they just assume what Jews

1364
01:29:46,079 --> 01:29:48,600
are today must have been exactly the way they were.

1365
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:52,039
Speaker 3: Back then with the ancient Hebrews.

1366
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 1: Hawaiian power. What's up?

1367
01:29:56,399 --> 01:29:56,680
Speaker 14: Aja?

1368
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:58,039
Speaker 2: Thanks for the show today.

1369
01:29:58,840 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 3: Two part question.

1370
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:03,079
Speaker 14: I was wondering, did you watch Chief of War at

1371
01:30:03,119 --> 01:30:06,319
all with Jason Momoa's new series on Apple TV or

1372
01:30:06,359 --> 01:30:06,960
have you heard of it?

1373
01:30:07,039 --> 01:30:07,119
Speaker 2: No?

1374
01:30:07,159 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1375
01:30:09,079 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 14: Yeah, so Jason Mama just got done doing like a

1376
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:17,600
big budget, you know, Hawaiian history series. But to piggyback

1377
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:20,439
on the former questions, it's kind of interesting that's going

1378
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:24,640
on in Hawaii right now. Is there's like, because the

1379
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:28,119
Protestants came here from New England and basically, you know,

1380
01:30:28,159 --> 01:30:31,239
converted all the Hawaiians, and now like a lot of

1381
01:30:31,239 --> 01:30:34,920
the Hawaiians are disillusioned with Christianity, you know, being that

1382
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:37,000
they see they see it as what was like the

1383
01:30:37,079 --> 01:30:40,399
children horse for big American corporate interests to take over.

1384
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:42,399
So a lot of the Hawaiians field, you know, dispossessed

1385
01:30:42,399 --> 01:30:45,520
from the land and everything else. But like you have

1386
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,279
all these big shows come in on Chief of War

1387
01:30:47,359 --> 01:30:49,399
showing like the ancient gods and everything, so it almost

1388
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:53,039
have like this neo Hawaiian pagan it is.

1389
01:30:53,239 --> 01:30:55,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know the do you want to hear my

1390
01:30:55,159 --> 01:30:58,720
Hawaiian accent? How's it brought? How's you knows about Jason

1391
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brought us? Oh?

1392
01:31:00,319 --> 01:31:01,600
Speaker 14: Yes, because it's pretty good.

1393
01:31:02,199 --> 01:31:09,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, well that kind of best bro. Yeah no,

1394
01:31:09,359 --> 01:31:11,600
but you're you're correct.

1395
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:15,560
Speaker 4: It's unfortunate, huh that there's this push back to the

1396
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:21,279
kind of ancestral paganism that because of the Protestant problems

1397
01:31:21,279 --> 01:31:22,079
with Protestantism.

1398
01:31:22,159 --> 01:31:26,279
Speaker 3: So I totally get it. Yeah, praying for you guys.

1399
01:31:28,399 --> 01:31:31,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, I guess I can understand like

1400
01:31:32,279 --> 01:31:34,920
if you were only exposed to like, you know, faking

1401
01:31:35,039 --> 01:31:40,439
gay Protestant Episcopal stuff or something like. Yeah, or evangelical

1402
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:43,800
nonsense like it may you might want to choose something

1403
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:48,920
like indigenous paganism over that, maybe because maybe it's I

1404
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:50,760
don't know, but at the end of the day, like

1405
01:31:51,039 --> 01:31:53,840
paganism has no ethic, it's just a bunch. It's just

1406
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:58,159
might makes right. So like, what what do you get

1407
01:31:58,159 --> 01:32:03,239
that's actually better in the pagan world? Uh? Unpopular opinion?

1408
01:32:03,279 --> 01:32:03,720
What's up?

1409
01:32:08,039 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 3: Hello? Can you hear me?

1410
01:32:10,279 --> 01:32:10,600
Speaker 4: Okay?

1411
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 3: So I am a catechuman.

1412
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:17,600
Speaker 17: And my priest has recently blessed me for two weeks

1413
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:22,840
living as a sort of monastic in hu In, like

1414
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:26,279
a remote place, and he said that I should read

1415
01:32:26,359 --> 01:32:29,760
some books about some monastic saints.

1416
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:31,399
Speaker 3: So do you have any recommendations of that?

1417
01:32:32,319 --> 01:32:35,960
Speaker 1: Uh? No, that's not my domain. You should ask him that.

1418
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:37,560
But what do you mean he's blessed you for two

1419
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:39,479
weeks to read? What does that mean?

1420
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:40,720
Speaker 13: Oh?

1421
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:45,399
Speaker 1: So, basically that seems odd for a catechumen. I don't understand.

1422
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:51,680
Speaker 17: Yeah, well, I read the Life of Saint Anthony by Aphanasius.

1423
01:32:52,159 --> 01:32:53,319
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've if.

1424
01:32:53,159 --> 01:32:55,760
Speaker 17: You've read that, but but yeah, since I read that,

1425
01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:57,159
I thought.

1426
01:32:57,039 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 3: That maybe monasticism might have been might be.

1427
01:32:59,920 --> 01:33:03,319
Speaker 17: My path, So I told him about that, and he said, oh, well,

1428
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:06,680
you know you should test yourself, so oh you should go.

1429
01:33:07,079 --> 01:33:07,279
Speaker 18: Yeah.

1430
01:33:07,319 --> 01:33:09,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, So just like it's like a test, like two

1431
01:33:09,359 --> 01:33:10,680
weeks sort of as a.

1432
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 17: Trial, you know, going somewhere alone, you know, And he's

1433
01:33:14,119 --> 01:33:16,680
told me to, you know, look into the lives of

1434
01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:18,119
monastic things.

1435
01:33:18,159 --> 01:33:20,880
Speaker 3: So I wasn't sure you know any books about.

1436
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:23,720
Speaker 1: Any well, I mean Life of Saint Benedict is usually

1437
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:26,399
a classic or something like like what you're already reading.

1438
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:30,399
But I mean I would be catechized first before thinking

1439
01:33:30,399 --> 01:33:32,840
about monastic life, but not saying that that might not

1440
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:34,720
be your path. But Clouds, what's up?

1441
01:33:42,079 --> 01:33:46,920
Speaker 9: Hello, Yeah, hey, it's not another question about knowing God.

1442
01:33:48,239 --> 01:33:50,880
Last time we spoke, we were sort of you mentioned

1443
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:53,399
the sacraments being like the youth christen that, and I

1444
01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:58,239
just had a question about your subjective experience through your

1445
01:33:58,399 --> 01:34:04,039
journey throughout Protestantism, Catholicism, and Orthodoxy, being that the only

1446
01:34:04,079 --> 01:34:07,079
way to truly know God is through the true sacraments.

1447
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:10,600
What exactly did you feel that you were knowing when

1448
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:13,039
you were driving thro the Latin mess for several years

1449
01:34:13,199 --> 01:34:16,159
and what would you speculate that would be.

1450
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:22,640
Speaker 1: Well, again, it's not. It's the difference between knowing about

1451
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:26,399
God versus knowing God. So I can't give you any

1452
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:32,279
perfect explanation of the degree of knowledge that Protestants or

1453
01:34:32,319 --> 01:34:38,720
Catholics have because it's not all wrong. But there's something missing,

1454
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:41,000
I think is the best way to describe it. So

1455
01:34:41,079 --> 01:34:46,359
there's something unfulfilling and unsatisfying in the world of Protestantism

1456
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:52,119
and Roman Catholicism. And there's no perfect way to encapsulate

1457
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:56,720
verbally what that is. It's just something existential that you

1458
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,199
feel in you sense and a lot of other people

1459
01:35:00,199 --> 01:35:04,239
sense that as well over time. And I think that's

1460
01:35:04,279 --> 01:35:09,880
perhaps the element to which orthodoxy transcends the conceptual and

1461
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:15,079
the I can't give you the perfect verbal, abstract, conceptual

1462
01:35:15,159 --> 01:35:17,760
knowledge of what is the thing missing. It's just there's

1463
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:22,720
just something missing. And I think really you don't get

1464
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:27,199
a sense of peace until you find it in orthodoxy.

1465
01:35:27,439 --> 01:35:31,159
Otherwise you're all just you're always doubting and worried and

1466
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:34,039
I don't know if this is right and that, and uh,

1467
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:37,079
you know, I had that for many many years until

1468
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:38,399
go ahead.

1469
01:35:40,399 --> 01:35:42,039
Speaker 3: That was a great way to put it.

1470
01:35:42,039 --> 01:35:45,760
Speaker 4: It's a distinction between knowing God and knowing about God.

1471
01:35:46,279 --> 01:35:49,560
And I remember Metropolitan Jonas said something at one of

1472
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:51,119
the conferences up here.

1473
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:53,039
Speaker 3: It was really interesting.

1474
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:56,399
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying every single Catholic, but the fact

1475
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:59,960
this is a phenomenon that why is it in there

1476
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:08,159
confession absolution they feel more guilty. Yeah, and when you

1477
01:36:08,159 --> 01:36:12,880
do confession in the Orthodox Church, it's a free and

1478
01:36:13,039 --> 01:36:14,279
cleansing experience.

1479
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:21,600
Speaker 1: Also, these these other domains, uh, do not really put

1480
01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:26,960
requirements on you to undergo change because it's difficult. In

1481
01:36:27,159 --> 01:36:30,319
the world of Rome Catholicism, you just kind of substitute

1482
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:34,119
the intellectual scholastic stuff and that becomes the religion. So

1483
01:36:34,119 --> 01:36:38,800
you're worshiping the idea of God and Protestantism. I don't

1484
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:43,600
know your whatever, your emotions, your will, you know, will

1485
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:45,680
worship whatever you want to call it. That that's what

1486
01:36:46,439 --> 01:36:49,760
you know. You and the Bible. Bible. You're worshiping the Bible.

1487
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:54,760
I mean, it's just it's all like at the end

1488
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:56,640
of the day, you're just not getting anywhere.

1489
01:36:58,079 --> 01:37:01,640
Speaker 3: So yeah, don't you find that interesting?

1490
01:37:03,239 --> 01:37:03,439
Speaker 4: That?

1491
01:37:04,279 --> 01:37:08,560
Speaker 3: And not that there are exceptions but to the rule.

1492
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:12,079
Speaker 4: But you look at like I look at people who

1493
01:37:12,199 --> 01:37:16,479
spend time and process, they don't change. They stay basically

1494
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:21,640
the same, same with Roman Catholics, just as a pragmatic Now,

1495
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:24,680
of course somebody can go through all the steps and

1496
01:37:25,359 --> 01:37:27,840
orthodoxy and not change because they don't want it. But

1497
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:32,880
that's why it's so important, I think, especially for inquirers

1498
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:39,239
and categ humans, to not just read the basics foundations.

1499
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:41,640
Speaker 3: Of the faith like.

1500
01:37:43,119 --> 01:37:46,680
Speaker 4: St Ignacious and Saint Antinacious and the incarnation and stuff.

1501
01:37:46,399 --> 01:37:48,760
Speaker 3: Like that, but read the lives of saints.

1502
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:52,520
Speaker 4: Look what types of people those are, and just how

1503
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:56,000
different than they are from the quote unquote Roman Catholic saints.

1504
01:37:57,159 --> 01:38:00,479
Doesn't that say a lot about the different types of programs?

1505
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:05,560
And Protestants don't even have anything to pop up prop

1506
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:07,880
up is like, hey, look at this great example really

1507
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:10,680
of what's like a bit like a Bonhoeffer.

1508
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:12,960
Speaker 3: I guess, I mean, I don't even know what Protestants do.

1509
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:16,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. Like their saints are just

1510
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:20,840
like Luther Calvin Bonhoeffer. Like that's that's the closest I

1511
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:26,000
have to that, right, Cyrus became a member. What's up, man,

1512
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:35,600
let's see, Rudy. Rudy, I already responded to your question

1513
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:39,000
about Ucbius earlier. S L I d three dollars. Thank

1514
01:38:39,039 --> 01:38:40,960
you so much. Go ahead, man, what's that? What's on

1515
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:41,680
your mind?

1516
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:43,039
Speaker 19: Hey guys?

1517
01:38:43,079 --> 01:38:43,560
Speaker 3: How you doing?

1518
01:38:44,359 --> 01:38:45,079
Speaker 10: JV Fan?

1519
01:38:46,039 --> 01:38:48,720
Speaker 20: So, uh, you're actually one of the biggest you know,

1520
01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:52,960
reasons why I left a mega church here in Florida

1521
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:57,319
and I recently just joined an Antiochian Eastern with the

1522
01:38:57,319 --> 01:38:57,880
Dog's Church.

1523
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:04,439
Speaker 19: So still rookie, haven't got inky categuys yet. But I'm

1524
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:10,119
really into like our political situation right now in our country.

1525
01:39:10,159 --> 01:39:12,760
Like I'm a big politics guy and just kind of

1526
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:17,479
like a twenty four year old Christian from that perspective,

1527
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:22,119
what do you think about like the current environment we're

1528
01:39:22,119 --> 01:39:26,359
in with you know, Trump and everything. Because I was

1529
01:39:26,359 --> 01:39:28,199
a MAGA guy, but then I kind of woke up

1530
01:39:28,199 --> 01:39:31,960
to his financial ties to the designists and stuff like that,

1531
01:39:32,359 --> 01:39:33,720
So what do you think about that?

1532
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:35,800
Speaker 3: And yeah, what do you how do you think I

1533
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:36,239
can be.

1534
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:42,960
Speaker 19: A involved in, hopefully, you know, fixing our country.

1535
01:39:43,159 --> 01:39:45,520
Speaker 1: For I mean, I don't mean to be dismissive or

1536
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:48,920
to let you down, but I don't really know what

1537
01:39:49,039 --> 01:39:55,239
to say about politics and MAGA. And I mean I

1538
01:39:55,239 --> 01:39:57,960
think as you get older, you'll care less about politics.

1539
01:39:58,239 --> 01:40:01,880
It doesn't mean you can't have an effect. I just

1540
01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:04,279
feel like for a lot of people, politics is a religion.

1541
01:40:04,359 --> 01:40:08,239
It's their replacement religion. It's an idol. Maybe you can

1542
01:40:08,239 --> 01:40:11,479
do good at the local level, but national politics is

1543
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:17,039
just a lot of theater and WWF. And there might

1544
01:40:17,079 --> 01:40:22,079
be times where you can vote for somebody who's in Orthodoxy.

1545
01:40:22,119 --> 01:40:25,000
We tend to say that there's something wrong with voting,

1546
01:40:25,039 --> 01:40:26,720
and if you want to vote, vote for the person

1547
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:30,600
that's the best for the church. Otherwise it really doesn't matter.

1548
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:34,039
I mean, as you get older, you're going to just

1549
01:40:34,119 --> 01:40:37,760
not really care a lot about what's happening in Washington

1550
01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:43,399
because it just really doesn't matter. It's like a lot

1551
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:49,520
of like wasted time. I mean, other than it being entertaining,

1552
01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:52,479
I don't really know what. I think. People feel like

1553
01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:57,079
they're involved and they're doing things and they're being informed,

1554
01:40:57,159 --> 01:41:04,600
and I don't know. It's just when you get into

1555
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:07,000
your thirties and your forties, you're just gonna, I think,

1556
01:41:07,039 --> 01:41:11,600
care about other things more that matter more. Chris, what's up? Man?

1557
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:30,600
Chris'm you? Hey? Jamie? Did you bring me that coffee?

1558
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:40,560
Chris Gabriel?

1559
01:41:53,399 --> 01:41:54,800
Speaker 3: Hello, Hey, what's up?

1560
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:57,039
Speaker 2: Oh?

1561
01:41:57,319 --> 01:41:57,640
Speaker 10: Hey Ja.

1562
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:08,279
Speaker 2: I've been a fan of you for allergetics.

1563
01:42:08,319 --> 01:42:10,920
Speaker 1: Guy, you cut out and can you start over? You

1564
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:11,359
cut out?

1565
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:17,520
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll just turned on my data.

1566
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:23,560
Speaker 1: You're cutting out, Man, I can't hear you. Maybe come

1567
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:42,119
out and come back in Sean, yeah, Sewan you want

1568
01:42:42,159 --> 01:42:42,680
I'm mute.

1569
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:44,560
Speaker 10: Hey, what's so? Jay?

1570
01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:45,640
Speaker 1: What's on your mind?

1571
01:42:46,239 --> 01:42:46,439
Speaker 3: Hey?

1572
01:42:46,479 --> 01:42:46,680
Speaker 1: Man?

1573
01:42:47,199 --> 01:42:48,199
Speaker 10: Question? Uh?

1574
01:42:48,279 --> 01:42:49,800
Speaker 3: I don't know if Jamie is in the room.

1575
01:42:49,800 --> 01:42:52,079
Speaker 4: But how do I how would I leave my wife

1576
01:42:52,159 --> 01:42:53,760
to maybe.

1577
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:54,920
Speaker 3: Going to an Orthodox church.

1578
01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:56,680
Speaker 21: I've been in a choir right now for a couple

1579
01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:59,680
of months, and she's like, you know, Protestant.

1580
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:02,079
Speaker 3: View grew up Protestant her whole life.

1581
01:43:02,239 --> 01:43:05,000
Speaker 21: I grew up Catholic, so I'm familiar with praying to

1582
01:43:05,079 --> 01:43:05,600
sayings and.

1583
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:06,079
Speaker 10: Things like that.

1584
01:43:06,239 --> 01:43:11,640
Speaker 21: So how do I get my Catholic, my non traditional

1585
01:43:12,159 --> 01:43:16,800
Christian wife to go to a worthodox truth?

1586
01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:21,119
Speaker 1: Well, there's no magic formula. I mean I would say, uh,

1587
01:43:21,319 --> 01:43:24,520
you know, rather than trying to debate whether just you know,

1588
01:43:24,640 --> 01:43:28,560
try to in covert ways get her to come to

1589
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:32,359
church with you. And usually women connect with other women

1590
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:35,960
or the beauty, the liturgy, that kind of stuff praying

1591
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:38,640
together that probably has more of an effect than like

1592
01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:44,119
refuting her, you know, her presuppositions. Nick Boucci two dollars

1593
01:43:44,159 --> 01:43:47,319
read the Life of Saint yakoob Yes, that's the patron

1594
01:43:47,359 --> 01:43:50,680
center of this channel is Yakubu. He is our creator.

1595
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:55,560
William Money became a member and says, how does the

1596
01:43:55,640 --> 01:43:59,279
essence centered distinction let us share in divine life without

1597
01:43:59,319 --> 01:44:02,680
losing the creator creature distinction or making Grace into a

1598
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:06,399
mere symbol. Well, the essencenarty distinction is the only way

1599
01:44:07,640 --> 01:44:12,600
theologically to keep the creator creature distinction and not make

1600
01:44:12,760 --> 01:44:16,359
Grace a creature or merely a symbol. Because Jesus says

1601
01:44:16,359 --> 01:44:18,920
in John seventeen that he came to give us a

1602
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:20,760
share in the glory that he had with the Father

1603
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:23,520
before the foundation of the world. So it's a real

1604
01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:27,880
sharing in God's glory and immortality, and glory and immortality

1605
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:31,239
are not creatures. God's glory isn't created. So the only

1606
01:44:31,279 --> 01:44:35,079
way to maintain the distinction is to distinguish God's grace

1607
01:44:35,399 --> 01:44:38,560
from his divine essence, which nobody, no creature ever takes of.

1608
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:42,520
So we never become the divine essence, but we do

1609
01:44:42,640 --> 01:44:46,800
really partake of divine glory, hence the essencenary distinction. And

1610
01:44:47,119 --> 01:44:49,640
there's no other church or position that holds this view.

1611
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:54,159
Only the Orthodoxy holds that view. We never cease to

1612
01:44:54,199 --> 01:44:57,039
be creatures, by the way, right, So remember the model

1613
01:44:57,199 --> 01:45:02,079
of deification thiosis is the incarnation when Jesus became incarnate.

1614
01:45:02,239 --> 01:45:05,119
John of Damascus says in Book three, chapter fifteen that

1615
01:45:05,439 --> 01:45:09,039
the uncreated energies and immortality and grace deified the human

1616
01:45:09,159 --> 01:45:12,479
nature resultso the teaching of the six Econmenical Council. But

1617
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:18,239
it never ceases to be created. So created things can

1618
01:45:18,279 --> 01:45:24,199
maintain their creature early status and become immortal. We become

1619
01:45:24,279 --> 01:45:28,199
sons of God by divine grace, and yet we never

1620
01:45:28,319 --> 01:45:32,840
cease to be creatures. That's the Orthodox view, modeled on

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the incarnation Jesus. Human nature, although fully deified, never ceases

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to be created, but it really does participate in uncreated

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01:45:42,399 --> 01:45:46,479
grace and immortality and glory. That's the mystery of the

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01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:52,439
incarnation that Orthodox theology balances maintaining divine simplicity and God's

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01:45:52,920 --> 01:46:00,159
imparticipable nature versus his participable, uncreated energies in grace, and

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01:46:00,239 --> 01:46:04,359
yet we always remain creatures. That's Orthodox Christianity, and only

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01:46:04,479 --> 01:46:08,199
Orthodoxy has that balance. Protestantism teaches a version of created

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01:46:08,239 --> 01:46:12,640
grace and Jesus fulfilling the covenant of works and created merit.

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01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:18,720
Roman Catholicism teaches that supernatural grace is a created substance

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01:46:19,279 --> 01:46:21,840
accident in the soul. It is the grace itself is

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01:46:21,880 --> 01:46:25,359
a creature. So both positions and all of Latin Christianity

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01:46:25,960 --> 01:46:31,680
have failed by teaching that grace itself is a created reality. Hueye,

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01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:32,199
what's up?

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01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:40,079
Speaker 10: Hello?

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01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:40,800
Speaker 1: Yep?

1636
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:42,359
Speaker 10: What was going on?

1637
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:42,680
Speaker 13: Dude?

1638
01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:43,079
Speaker 1: A little bit?

1639
01:46:43,279 --> 01:46:48,039
Speaker 22: It was like the the space was having you talk,

1640
01:46:48,079 --> 01:46:51,560
and then I guess it like loaded real quick. No,

1641
01:46:51,720 --> 01:46:54,319
I was just joining highlight what you're doing in here.

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01:46:54,359 --> 01:46:55,399
Speaker 13: I think it's real cool.

1643
01:46:56,520 --> 01:47:00,199
Speaker 22: What would you do about somebody who like comes from

1644
01:47:00,319 --> 01:47:03,960
like a Jehovah witness background, Like where's it? Where's a

1645
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:07,000
good place to get started? Like if you want to

1646
01:47:07,159 --> 01:47:08,479
try to find like the truth.

1647
01:47:08,720 --> 01:47:12,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a good talk that is really good

1648
01:47:12,039 --> 01:47:16,000
for JWS, and it's about the Trinity and the deed

1649
01:47:16,039 --> 01:47:28,399
of Christ in the Old Testament. Of course now I

1650
01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:35,520
can't find it here. It is is Jesus, God is

1651
01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:38,880
God at Trinity. This talk right here is really good

1652
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:44,479
for u JWS because it kind of circumvents their terrible

1653
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:47,199
New Testament arguments by just going to the Old Testament

1654
01:47:47,199 --> 01:47:49,920
and showing that Jesus is the god of the Old Testament.

1655
01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:53,399
He's yeahweh, he's Elahien, et cetera, and the Trinity is

1656
01:47:53,479 --> 01:47:57,760
the Old Testament, and so that that's totally kill shot

1657
01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:06,720
for JW's jaws. Way.

1658
01:48:10,359 --> 01:48:15,680
Speaker 23: Well, yep, I'm a kind of cuman a my ordoctories

1659
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:21,399
right now and just recently just became one. And I

1660
01:48:21,439 --> 01:48:24,800
have a lot of Protestant friends that the recent I

1661
01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:28,479
told them about my conversion and now they've been berating

1662
01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:31,640
me a lot of questions. And one of the arguments

1663
01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:36,319
that we had recently was Mary's perpetual virginity. And basically

1664
01:48:36,319 --> 01:48:40,960
he's saying that he's open to the idea that Mary

1665
01:48:41,039 --> 01:48:44,840
did not have other children besides Jesus, but he finds

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01:48:44,920 --> 01:48:48,520
the assertion ridiculous that we know that she didn't have

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01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:52,279
sex with Joseph or at least didn't like have like

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01:48:52,720 --> 01:48:54,520
marital consummation.

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01:48:56,079 --> 01:49:00,079
Speaker 1: So watch my video that I did on Mary and

1670
01:49:00,319 --> 01:49:02,000
Mary as the arc of the New Covenant, because I

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01:49:02,039 --> 01:49:05,560
think once we understand the importance and exalted status of

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01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:08,359
her role, it begins to make sense why it would

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01:49:08,359 --> 01:49:12,199
no longer be violated, or that it would no longer

1674
01:49:12,279 --> 01:49:17,039
be that she would remain that pure status. Also, Ezekiel

1675
01:49:17,079 --> 01:49:20,079
forty four is interpreted in part by the Church Fathers

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01:49:20,159 --> 01:49:22,439
as a reference also to Mary, because she is the

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01:49:22,479 --> 01:49:25,399
also the new Temple, and the King passes through the

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01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:27,600
gate of the temple, and yet the doors never opened

1679
01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:31,399
her shut. So there's a miraculous, mysterious statement is Zeko

1680
01:49:31,439 --> 01:49:33,840
forty four BYU how the Prince Messiah, the Prince passes

1681
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:37,479
through the gate of the temple without it being violated

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01:49:37,560 --> 01:49:40,760
or opened, so it remains that way. So typology is key,

1683
01:49:40,960 --> 01:49:43,720
But also read Saint Drum's essay on the Perpetual Virginity.

1684
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:46,720
It's an all time classic for this topic, and it's

1685
01:49:46,760 --> 01:49:53,880
also not very long. Gabriel, what's up, hey.

1686
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:56,119
Speaker 2: Jam does my mic even work now?

1687
01:49:56,439 --> 01:49:56,720
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1688
01:49:57,560 --> 01:49:58,159
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you.

1689
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,600
Speaker 24: I've been a fan of you for five to six

1690
01:50:02,680 --> 01:50:09,279
months and another year. That can Orthodox Christian apologist and

1691
01:50:09,319 --> 01:50:13,880
Iz is wondering what exactly can a fifteen year old

1692
01:50:14,079 --> 01:50:17,560
sophomore in high school do to help maybe defend the

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01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:20,239
Orthodox Christian faith in the future.

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01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:28,600
Speaker 1: Well, it's a good thing to desire that, but remember

1695
01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:33,520
to be catechized and brought into the church before worrying

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01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:36,119
about defending it, because we got to be We got

1697
01:50:36,159 --> 01:50:39,640
to undergo a kind of a process of healing first

1698
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:43,319
before we try to go heal everybody else. Right, Jesus says, physician,

1699
01:50:43,359 --> 01:50:46,319
heal thyself, which the city says to him. You will

1700
01:50:46,359 --> 01:50:48,960
say to me, physician, hell myself, what you've done, and

1701
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:51,880
compared him to Also here the same principle is true,

1702
01:50:52,039 --> 01:50:53,760
like we got to be healed first before we try

1703
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:56,359
to go fix everybody else. And we're never going to

1704
01:50:56,399 --> 01:50:58,960
be perfectly fixed in this life. And yet there is

1705
01:50:59,039 --> 01:51:03,279
a you know, that has to happen first, So great question.

1706
01:51:03,319 --> 01:51:05,560
Glad to hear that you're moving in that direction, But

1707
01:51:05,680 --> 01:51:08,399
focus on those things first, and then the apologetics and

1708
01:51:08,399 --> 01:51:10,720
all that will come in time. Don't panic. What's that?

1709
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:18,800
Dog Rhapsody says for two dollars, the Orthodox sacraments make

1710
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:22,399
you no false gods. I would say, actually, in the

1711
01:51:22,520 --> 01:51:25,479
Orthodox Church, yes you do get the gift of discernment.

1712
01:51:25,560 --> 01:51:27,960
Not everybody necessarily gets that gift. It's one of the discernmons,

1713
01:51:28,039 --> 01:51:30,439
one of the spiritual gifts. So you can definitely pray

1714
01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:32,920
and ask for that gift, and I would say, yeah,

1715
01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:36,840
like eventually there is a recognition and a discernment that

1716
01:51:36,880 --> 01:51:40,960
you get that. The other religions have what Saint Paul

1717
01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:46,520
calls dead works, so they don't produce the actual intimate

1718
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:49,720
knowledge of God. They might produce knowledge about God or

1719
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:53,279
facts about the Bible or whatever, but again there is

1720
01:51:53,319 --> 01:52:02,600
that ineffable that's missing. Don't what's up? I'm you what's up?

1721
01:52:02,680 --> 01:52:02,840
Speaker 10: Jay?

1722
01:52:03,560 --> 01:52:08,239
Speaker 3: Hear? I'm just curious is if you.

1723
01:52:08,479 --> 01:52:14,159
Speaker 16: Have any interest in unification theory or if the church

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01:52:14,239 --> 01:52:15,920
has a unification theory.

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01:52:16,039 --> 01:52:17,399
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't know what you're talking about.

1726
01:52:17,439 --> 01:52:19,079
You're cutting out unification theory.

1727
01:52:19,119 --> 01:52:19,399
Speaker 3: What is that?

1728
01:52:20,439 --> 01:52:20,640
Speaker 12: Yeah?

1729
01:52:20,720 --> 01:52:21,960
Speaker 3: So in science.

1730
01:52:23,199 --> 01:52:25,880
Speaker 13: Unification theory or the theory of everything.

1731
01:52:28,279 --> 01:52:29,720
Speaker 4: Unifying ally?

1732
01:52:30,439 --> 01:52:33,000
Speaker 1: What what do you mean unifying everything?

1733
01:52:33,039 --> 01:52:39,239
Speaker 7: Hell, it's like through theology and science or philosophy and science.

1734
01:52:40,680 --> 01:52:42,760
Speaker 1: No, I would disagree with that, but I'm not sure

1735
01:52:42,760 --> 01:52:47,119
what it is. But you're cutting out judeo jalepeno. What's up? Man? No,

1736
01:52:47,199 --> 01:52:50,279
I'm not blind. I'm wearing glasses because number one, this

1737
01:52:50,439 --> 01:52:53,680
light is bright. I get tired of staring at computers

1738
01:52:53,720 --> 01:52:57,439
all day and I don't like the look of the

1739
01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:03,800
reading glasses, they're dorky. These are actually magnification cool shades.

1740
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:07,000
So that's why I'm worrying them. What's up?

1741
01:53:08,159 --> 01:53:11,760
Speaker 3: Hey, J can you hear me? I said a quick question,

1742
01:53:11,840 --> 01:53:12,439
do you so?

1743
01:53:12,680 --> 01:53:16,079
Speaker 6: From the first guy that came on asking about the

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01:53:16,119 --> 01:53:17,239
Serbian church, and blah.

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01:53:17,119 --> 01:53:18,199
Speaker 13: Blah blah, I'm not.

1746
01:53:18,279 --> 01:53:20,800
Speaker 6: I've been going to a Greek Orthodox church for like

1747
01:53:20,840 --> 01:53:24,239
a year, but I'm planning on moving so I'm not

1748
01:53:24,439 --> 01:53:28,319
probably not gonna be catechized in this church. But if

1749
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:32,119
I was to sit down with a priest of the

1750
01:53:32,239 --> 01:53:34,600
church that I'm going to be moving to in that area,

1751
01:53:34,680 --> 01:53:37,399
what type of questions you think I should ask for, Like,

1752
01:53:37,560 --> 01:53:41,079
you know, some to kind of discern whether or not

1753
01:53:41,119 --> 01:53:45,239
their acuminous vibes like a beautifest and all those guys.

1754
01:53:45,640 --> 01:53:48,119
Speaker 1: Just ask them straight up, like do you support acumenism?

1755
01:53:48,279 --> 01:53:50,920
Is freemasonry good? Is it good to be gay? I mean,

1756
01:53:51,399 --> 01:53:57,119
straight up asked those questions death culture? What's up? I

1757
01:53:57,119 --> 01:53:59,199
would be straight up. I mean I've always been that way.

1758
01:54:00,039 --> 01:54:01,800
When I went to the Greek church in Nashville, I

1759
01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:04,199
was just like, is freemasonry good? They're like yeah. I

1760
01:54:04,239 --> 01:54:08,319
was like, see, yeah, rhapsody two dollars. No, you read that,

1761
01:54:08,439 --> 01:54:14,399
Murat Akabul gifted ten memberships. Thanks Man, I appreciate that death.

1762
01:54:14,439 --> 01:54:15,119
Do you want to immute?

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01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:17,520
Speaker 3: Yes, sure thing.

1764
01:54:18,119 --> 01:54:22,039
Speaker 25: I got a quick question, Jay, is how does how

1765
01:54:22,079 --> 01:54:26,319
does one get the appropriate or correct interpretation of the

1766
01:54:26,319 --> 01:54:30,640
Bible when you're when you read and study the Bible?

1767
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:35,880
What's the proper hermaeudict? What's the principles behind hermautics? And

1768
01:54:36,079 --> 01:54:39,680
also do you have a stream or any content or

1769
01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:42,640
maybe Father Deacon Ananias does he.

1770
01:54:44,560 --> 01:54:46,159
Speaker 3: Dive into hermin udicts.

1771
01:54:46,760 --> 01:54:49,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did a stream six or seven years ago

1772
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:51,640
on this topic. I think it was a two part

1773
01:54:51,680 --> 01:54:57,960
stream that I responded to a liberal priest. Father. I

1774
01:54:57,960 --> 01:55:00,000
forget that guy's name. He used to be an ancient

1775
01:55:00,159 --> 01:55:04,640
faith radio guy. I don't even remember what I titled that,

1776
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:11,479
but basically, no, no, I didn't have anything to do

1777
01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:18,079
with hermanudicts. That was just about creeps. Let me think

1778
01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:19,479
what I thought that.

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01:55:20,760 --> 01:55:23,760
Speaker 4: Well, you look for that, I'll just give you herman

1780
01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:29,479
nudics always kept a holos according to the whole and

1781
01:55:29,560 --> 01:55:32,800
so I'm sure there's even more than what I'm gonna list.

1782
01:55:34,880 --> 01:55:37,479
The ancient records of the church, the canons of the

1783
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:43,159
Holy Apostle, the Apostolic canons, the symbols UH faith, the creeds,

1784
01:55:43,199 --> 01:55:46,279
the ancient local churches, the ancient liturgies.

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01:55:48,119 --> 01:55:50,000
Speaker 3: Also understand terms of the.

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01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:56,239
Speaker 4: Right of baptism, the sacred ancient prayers UH, the ancient

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01:55:56,279 --> 01:56:05,640
acts of the martyrs, the synods, the councils, even the

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01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:09,199
historical records. Let's say, even Ucbus, even though he's not

1789
01:56:09,239 --> 01:56:14,880
a church father, consensus paternum, so the ancient fathers.

1790
01:56:17,720 --> 01:56:21,159
Speaker 3: And the life of the church as well. All of

1791
01:56:21,239 --> 01:56:28,000
those things form a whole in which Scripture has read properly.

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01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:30,239
Speaker 4: And if you take any one of those, and I'm

1793
01:56:30,279 --> 01:56:33,560
sure there's more that I can mention, but those are

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01:56:33,560 --> 01:56:37,760
all kind of necessary conditions. So if you negate when

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01:56:37,840 --> 01:56:41,640
i'd also say kind of normative authority appstocks that all

1796
01:56:41,680 --> 01:56:45,199
these different things form a kind of interwoven, kind of

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01:56:45,239 --> 01:56:49,640
cohesive whole that are all necessary conditions that if you

1798
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:55,000
remove any one of those, you don't have the right

1799
01:56:55,159 --> 01:56:56,439
justification for now.

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01:56:56,560 --> 01:56:58,600
Speaker 3: So that means it's possible.

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01:56:58,640 --> 01:57:01,680
Speaker 4: And Jay and I did when get stuff right, but

1802
01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:05,840
ultimately we lacked the justification for that because we weren't

1803
01:57:05,880 --> 01:57:07,279
Catholic Cato holos.

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01:57:07,399 --> 01:57:11,920
Speaker 3: We weren't Orthodox, and so you you accidentally get it right.

1805
01:57:13,079 --> 01:57:15,279
So the whole is always the proper hermeneutics.

1806
01:57:16,880 --> 01:57:19,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the videos those are two part ones. It's

1807
01:57:19,439 --> 01:57:24,640
the responses to Father Steven Freeman Orthodox Hermaeuticts part one

1808
01:57:24,640 --> 01:57:28,560
and part two. And I talk about the four senses

1809
01:57:28,600 --> 01:57:32,479
the quadriga. We would hold that Maximus talks about the quadriga. Uh,

1810
01:57:32,920 --> 01:57:35,279
so you believe we have the literal sense, the grammatical

1811
01:57:35,399 --> 01:57:38,560
historical sense, and then we also have the typological or

1812
01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:40,640
spiritual sense if you want to put it into a

1813
01:57:40,680 --> 01:57:43,920
two tiered system. Doesn't mean every verse has that, but

1814
01:57:44,880 --> 01:57:48,159
h I mean most of the basic principles that anybody

1815
01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:51,319
in seminary talks about. It's not super liberal, we would

1816
01:57:51,319 --> 01:57:53,920
agree with. Right, you have to understand the grammatical historical

1817
01:57:53,920 --> 01:57:58,680
context of who's being talked to. And then depending upon

1818
01:57:58,720 --> 01:58:02,239
the type of literature, whether it's prophetic literature, whether it's

1819
01:58:02,520 --> 01:58:06,039
liturgical literature, there's going to be nuances for those kinds

1820
01:58:06,039 --> 01:58:09,720
of texts which might suggest things like typology, et cetera.

1821
01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:16,439
Are you there, Yes, I'm here.

1822
01:58:16,520 --> 01:58:19,159
Speaker 3: Thank you for the response both of you.

1823
01:58:21,680 --> 01:58:25,199
Speaker 1: Yes, that is a good question. No, I don't think

1824
01:58:25,199 --> 01:58:28,359
anybody's ever asked what the proper her hermonutics are. I

1825
01:58:28,359 --> 01:58:39,840
appreciate that. F seven ninety seven to the Catholic guy

1826
01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:41,319
in the chat, want as you call in if you

1827
01:58:41,399 --> 01:58:44,600
want to discuss things? What's up? F seven nights on?

1828
01:58:46,279 --> 01:58:46,520
Speaker 3: Hello?

1829
01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:56,239
Speaker 1: You barely? What's up? What's up? I'm mute?

1830
01:58:58,079 --> 01:58:58,720
Speaker 12: Can you hear me?

1831
01:58:59,239 --> 01:59:00,000
Speaker 1: Barely? What's up?

1832
01:59:01,960 --> 01:59:08,199
Speaker 13: I had a question about diaphysicism. Then okay, yeah, So,

1833
01:59:08,279 --> 01:59:09,399
I guess my question is.

1834
01:59:09,640 --> 01:59:12,039
Speaker 3: How do you interpret Saint sale? And he says that

1835
01:59:12,119 --> 01:59:12,840
there's one.

1836
01:59:12,720 --> 01:59:17,000
Speaker 1: Nature read John Damascus where he explains it. That's how

1837
01:59:17,039 --> 01:59:35,720
we interpret it. A but what's up? I'm you? Hey?

1838
01:59:36,079 --> 01:59:39,520
Speaker 3: Uh so Jay, I've been watching you for quite a while.

1839
01:59:39,680 --> 01:59:44,079
Speaker 26: I'm I was raised Protestant Christian, but I've been looking

1840
01:59:44,119 --> 01:59:47,079
more and more into Orthodoxy. And uh, I guess my

1841
01:59:47,199 --> 01:59:51,840
question would be, what would you say to help me

1842
01:59:52,840 --> 01:59:54,720
see that that's a better path.

1843
01:59:54,760 --> 01:59:55,760
Speaker 3: The best path?

1844
01:59:58,399 --> 01:59:58,760
Speaker 27: Uh?

1845
01:59:58,840 --> 01:59:58,920
Speaker 2: What?

1846
01:59:59,079 --> 01:59:59,760
Speaker 1: Now? I'm sorry?

1847
02:00:00,520 --> 02:00:04,319
Speaker 26: I said I I was raised Protestant Christian, but I've

1848
02:00:04,319 --> 02:00:05,479
been looking at Orthodoxy.

1849
02:00:05,479 --> 02:00:08,760
Speaker 3: I've been watching you and Jimbob and Andrew and everyone.

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Speaker 26: And uh, I was asking you, since you're very knowledgeable,

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what what would you say to tell me that that

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is the best path to go towards orthodoxy rather than.

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Speaker 1: When I have done well. I mean, I would just

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start looking at the history and the I would start

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with documentaries like the Icon seven part documentary, watch that,

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take it in, muse upon it, you know. Watch if

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you have like a Protestant background, watch something like Rock

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and Sand talk by Father Josiah. I mean, it really

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just depends on, you know, how much time and energy

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you have for kind of studying and researching. So we

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got atheist talking. We haven't had an atheist talking smack

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in the chat in a long time. I hope you

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call in actually thinks that Tea dun't won the bait. Okay,

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oh you block? Okay, Well tell me your Twitter handrel

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and I will promptly unblock you. Is it the same

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as your YouTube name a TK? Is that a name.

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Speaker 28: A TK? Are you from Apica? I will unblock you. Brother,

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tell me your name and I will unblock you. You

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can come and recruit me because t dump is the

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smartest man alive.

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Speaker 1: Remember when te dump said that it's true if the

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scientists all agree, It's like, I feel sorry for people

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like you. Guys are so dumb. It's so hard to

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It's very difficult to talk to really dumb people. I'll try.

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I want to what's your handle? I need to know

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what it is to unblock you. Anytime I unblock people, though,

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I usually end up regretting it because usually my first

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inclination was correct. John David Woods, what's up? Well, wait,

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we don't have to talk about catechumen. E f a

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few questions. If anybody wants to talk about other stuff,

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we can geopolitics, paganism, feminism, libertarianism. Dude, tell me your

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name and all I'm block you, John David or smuggled Cat,

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whatever your.

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Speaker 13: Name is, the.

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Speaker 29: Watchman Witness. Okay, So a good question. When I left

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last year, I first.

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Speaker 30: Visited the nearest Coptic Orthodox church near me because there

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the other Orthodox church is a bit further. And if

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if I begin being a catechumen, should I continue with

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the Coptic Orthodox or.

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Speaker 1: No, they're not Orthodox, they're schismatics. Oh really, yeah, that's

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not Orthodox. You have to go to canonical Orthodox Church,

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So do not go to the Coptic Church. Appreciate your

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calling out from your rude but no, Axil, what's up?

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 28: What did are you?

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Speaker 1: Rada? Where are you? I want to talk to you.

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We have atheists from epic.

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Speaker 28: Guy's name is.

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Speaker 1: Can hear me? Huh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: So I had a question as a recently prayedover catechumen.

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I just wondered about how to explain the necessity of

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the incarnation. Would we say that the incarnation was necessary

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to bind ourselves to the body of Christ through his

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flesh and communion.

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Speaker 1: I don't I'm not sure I understand the question. I mean,

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I think it's necessary in the sense that God was

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always going to become incarnate, even if there'd not been

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a fall, because God always intended to have man participate

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in his uncreated life and to raise him up to

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higher and higher levels. But I'm not sure what you

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mean by binding us to the flesh.

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Speaker 4: I talked to David Bradshaw about the usage of necessary,

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and we can say these things are necessary of God

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as long as we qualify that there's not something behind

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God that constrains him right, So we can say it's impossible,

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it's necessarily God's right.

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Speaker 3: But the way you say that is it's not because

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there's something behind.

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Speaker 4: God that's over and above God that forces him to

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you know, not why it's from God himself or from

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our direction?

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Speaker 3: Right that if God is always and I think David

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Bradshaw actually said that, he said.

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Speaker 4: Necessary means eternal as well, but doesn't mean it doesn't.

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No contending necessarily imply constraint. Does that make sense, I'd

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say so.

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Speaker 7: So we would rather say the incarnation was always going

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to happen for.

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Speaker 3: The most intimate communion with God possible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't a plan B that God instituted because

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of the fall. It was always what was intended.

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Speaker 3: Excellent, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I mean I'm not you know, preferably not

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sort of Catechuman questions. I'm not mad at that guy,

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but I'm looking for people who disagree. Raise your hand

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if you disagree, and you can come on, we're gonna

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say something.

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Speaker 3: These people in the chat bring him up.

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Speaker 1: Well, I thought so, but they that one guy was

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just trolling because he was like, you need to listen

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to the wisdom of Tom Jump. That's gotta be a joke,

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Like nobody actually says that rhapsody. No, we did that.

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D Stevenson's Jay. What happened to the people who died

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prior to the resurrection. Uh, they went to Hades. Jesus

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priested the Gospel to those in Hades. It's called the

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Heroing of Hades. The Orthodox and Roman Catholics all agree

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or they have different views. For Protestants Roman Catholics, the

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Heroing of Hades basically has no theological relevance. Only the

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Orthodox Church has really maintained its significance, even though Roman

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Catholics technically confess that he descended into Hades, but they

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don't really have any explanation or meaning, or it doesn't

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They don't really care about it. The whole religion is

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just the papacy. They don't care about any of that stuff. Nico,

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what's up? And please don't ask me at thank you

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Kadechyan questions today.

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Speaker 27: I don't know if it's necessarily a catechumen question. I'm

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an inquirer, but it's not really aimed at like a

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dogma or anything of within Orthodoxy.

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Speaker 4: I was watching a DPH stream DAVEA.

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Speaker 3: Patrick Harry earlier.

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Speaker 27: And in the background he has an icon and it's

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of the resurrection or another resurrection is it's an icon

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of the crucifixion, and my mom, who is you know,

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just nominal go to a megachurch kind of person. She

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I've been slowly like watching videos with her, trying to

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like introduce her to Orthodoxy as well, and she's we

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were looking at the icon of Jesus on the Cross,

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and my mom is under this impression that like Jesus was,

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you know, he looked like an animal on the cross,

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because it says like he was unbeaten and unrecognizable on

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the cross. And she was kind of just saying like

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that she felt so growing up, you know, non denominational Christian.

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Speaker 3: I probably just.

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Speaker 10: Being exposed to many people saying things.

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Speaker 27: Is I guess scripture says that Jesus looked unrecognizable on

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the cross like no other man, And.

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Speaker 3: So I think, like, well, I guess my question.

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Speaker 27: Is do you know why in icons he's portrayed like not?

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So I guess maybe beaten in bloody or in this

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specific icon, like why he would be portrayed as kind

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of like, you know, not looking unrecognizable, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: And I guess I'm just trying to I mean, I

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think for the for us, that's the difference between the

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Roman Catholic attitude. I'll let Father Deacon comment on this

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because I'm not. There's people who are kind of experts

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on like iconographic symbology, and you know, Pago is probably

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an expert on that stuff. I don't actually know other

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than that Orthodox iconography usually focuses on the victory of

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the cross rather than the bloody defeat of the cross.

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That's more of a Latin Roman Catholic obsession and fixation.

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Like if you watch Mel Gibson's The Passion, it's like

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all about that and it's just not really the Orthodox attitude.

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It's all about the victory and the ascension and the

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power and the destruction of death. Would be my guest,

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but father diacon do you.

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Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, it's some I forget what father it was.

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Speaker 4: Father Thomas Hopko said that, you know, Christ does teach

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us how to live, but he really.

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Speaker 3: Showed us how to die.

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Speaker 4: And so you have to understand that in the West

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they're trying to whether it's through a kind of realism,

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portrait exactness, or this kind of glorification of through emotion

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to get you emotional appeal of like the horror of

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they put that into the where in the East icons

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are theological.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you go, yeah, that's a great way but

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when you go to Rome. One of the things, the

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first things that we noticed, all of us that were Orthodox,

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that were kind of new to going to Rome for

2012
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the first time, was that all of the art and

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the statuary is almost almost it's like Marvel comedic level

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expressionism and emotionalism and sensationalism. It's vastly different from how.

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Speaker 4: To specifically invoked emotions.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and so you're seeing that.

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Speaker 4: The cross Christ doesn't look like he's in agony because

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it's theologically representing that he overcame his blameless pass right.

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He is walking in with courage into death right. And

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so how do you display the theology of that. You

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do it that in fact, we have reverse the whole

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the whole art is totally different.

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Speaker 3: Father's Lad's great and explain this too, reverse perspective.

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Speaker 4: So in the West, you're a spectator, right, you're viewing,

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and so all the vanishing lines go to a vanishing

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point from out to in to a single point, and

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that is right, a spectator, you're.

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Speaker 3: Engaged in the emotions.

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Speaker 4: In the East and iconography, it's a reverse vanishing point.

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So you'll see rather than book like things getting smaller

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in the icons as you go back, it's actually reversed.

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Speaker 3: So it's it's and what that.

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Speaker 4: Draws is the person into participation. They're not a spectator,

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but they're intimately in the icon itself, participating in the So.

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Speaker 3: There's a whole bunch of stuff.

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Speaker 4: You just got to It's literally exactly says perspective.

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Speaker 3: Everything in the West is reversed from the east.

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Speaker 1: That's really okay, thank you, Elijah. What's up, hey man?

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Speaker 3: How's it going. Uh? I just wanted to pop.

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Speaker 31: In your super quick and say that, you know, I

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see some people in the chat.

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Speaker 10: And also, this is.

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Speaker 31: Just a very common thing that Protestants always like to

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bring up about, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, the intercession to the.

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Speaker 31: Saints being all pagan and you can't go you're worshiping

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the Saints.

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Speaker 3: And all this stuff.

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Speaker 31: I only came in here because I just wanted to

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drop a link to an article that I wrote that's

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on Ortho Christian dot Com that I I tackle this

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topic explicitly through the lens of Sola script torah uh

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kind of appeal to those to those Protestants, And I

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was hoping that you could, uh, you know, kind of

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look it over, you know, and if it's if it's

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a good article.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you could just throw this Protestants ways, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll take to look at that. Thank you, Llega.

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I appreciate that. Yeah. I always tell people, you know,

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read Revelation five through nine and look at it from

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the vantage point of John on earth participating in the

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heavenly liturgy, and the liturgy of heaven is the liturgy

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on earth. Thus they're united. Thus community of the Saints

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makes sense, the nexus, because that's what intercession of Saints is,

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just community of the Saints, the nexus. What's up? I'm

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mute again. I mean to people that are asking the

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Coptic questions. We've already done three parts of a long

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ongoing lecture series. Just go watch that lecture series with Orthodoxyda.

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What's up? Man?

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Speaker 10: Hey, how are you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm done good. I'm just chilling and drinking coffee and

2072
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listening to fake AI spy music.

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Speaker 11: No problem.

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Speaker 12: I've wanted to can you hear me? I just say,

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I want to make sure my mic is clear.

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Speaker 10: I can hear you, Okay, perfect.

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Speaker 12: So I just kind of wanted to because I a

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my friend had actually recommended me to you because I

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disagree with the Catholic or orthodox position between mother and Mary,

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and so I just wanted to make sure before we

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go into this that I have like we have everything

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to fined everything, Just kind of correct in your definition

2083
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or your understanding.

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Speaker 10: What does sinless mean to you?

2085
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Speaker 1: It means that she was not subject to She did

2086
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not commit actual sin by grace. So just like Adam

2087
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and even the Garden, they also by grace did not

2088
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violate God's law until they willed to violate God's law.

2089
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So we think that by divine grace she was cap spotless.

2090
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Speaker 12: So you have to willfully like do something then to

2091
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be able to breach the point of being sinless. It

2092
02:14:47,439 --> 02:14:49,439
is a wilful act, to be clear.

2093
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Speaker 1: For Adam and Eve, yes, but also but also also

2094
02:14:53,680 --> 02:14:56,159
for a human being an individual, Yeah, like they're not

2095
02:14:57,399 --> 02:15:00,520
they're not guilty of actual sin as an infant until

2096
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they reach an age of accountability and then commit an actual.

2097
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Speaker 12: Sent So she is exempt from that because in Luke,

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at least from the Greek, what they say is that

2099
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you and I'm going to say it in English, but

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obviously it is you who are highly favored or you

2101
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who is favor.

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Speaker 1: Right, it's only by grace that she that she did that.

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Speaker 12: Okay, So then now that we at least have the

2104
02:15:28,079 --> 02:15:30,840
understanding of sinless, then the thing I would like to

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02:15:30,960 --> 02:15:34,760
know is that if for some reason there's a silence

2106
02:15:34,800 --> 02:15:37,760
within the Scripture of her sinlessness, what I mean by

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that is the Bible never once calls Mary sinless. If

2108
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she was meant to be exalted, uniquely, Scripture would have

2109
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explicitly stated.

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Speaker 1: Now that's yours, that's your presupposition.

2111
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Speaker 10: We'll know because again.

2112
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it is, Well, the whole factor.

2113
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Speaker 12: The whole I mean, I didn't interrupt you. I don't

2114
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know why you're interrupting me.

2115
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm just pointing out that's your assumption in the argument.

2116
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Speaker 3: But it's not though, because through the Bible.

2117
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Speaker 1: But that's your assumption that the Bible gives us the

2118
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totality of how the Church does its worship in practice.

2119
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And I don't accept that assumption.

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Speaker 12: Right, and so because the only authority you have by

2121
02:16:11,039 --> 02:16:11,640
that is the.

2122
02:16:11,680 --> 02:16:15,680
Speaker 1: Church, Well no, that's a false either or because the

2123
02:16:15,800 --> 02:16:19,039
Church and the Bible and the tradition and the synods

2124
02:16:19,079 --> 02:16:24,039
are all authorities. No, because again i'm telling you my position.

2125
02:16:24,760 --> 02:16:27,920
Speaker 12: I understand that that's well, no, the position was about sinlessness.

2126
02:16:27,920 --> 02:16:29,399
Speaker 10: Now, we're actually trying to get into something.

2127
02:16:29,520 --> 02:16:32,239
Speaker 1: No, because it's two different it's two different paradigms. I

2128
02:16:32,239 --> 02:16:34,520
don't have the same paradigm as you as to what

2129
02:16:34,639 --> 02:16:36,959
constitutes the Word of God. I don't believe that it's

2130
02:16:37,000 --> 02:16:39,920
only written. In fact, the scriptures themselves talk about the

2131
02:16:40,040 --> 02:16:42,319
oral word of God also being the word of God.

2132
02:16:43,120 --> 02:16:44,600
Speaker 10: Yes, nobody has said that.

2133
02:16:44,680 --> 02:16:47,360
Speaker 12: Basically, the whole point is is that if for some

2134
02:16:47,440 --> 02:16:50,239
reason it's different from the Trinity, Because the argument you

2135
02:16:50,280 --> 02:16:53,120
can make is when is it explicitly said the Trinity?

2136
02:16:53,399 --> 02:16:55,360
When has anybody said that? Or when does anybody refer

2137
02:16:55,479 --> 02:16:55,760
to God?

2138
02:16:55,840 --> 02:16:59,440
Speaker 10: Is that? But God already referred Jesus Christ already referred.

2139
02:16:59,159 --> 02:17:01,680
Speaker 12: To that within the Book of Matthew. He said, you

2140
02:17:01,680 --> 02:17:03,920
shall be baptized within the Son the Father and the

2141
02:17:03,920 --> 02:17:05,000
Holy Spirit.

2142
02:17:05,000 --> 02:17:07,879
Speaker 1: As baptized within or in the name of.

2143
02:17:08,440 --> 02:17:10,479
Speaker 10: Sure sure Ben. It doesn't really matter.

2144
02:17:10,520 --> 02:17:12,799
Speaker 1: But anyway it does matter because those are two different

2145
02:17:13,200 --> 02:17:16,280
those are two different phrases. And also the doctrine, the

2146
02:17:16,319 --> 02:17:19,239
doctrine of the Trinity is the doctrine of the Trinityes

2147
02:17:19,239 --> 02:17:21,760
all right, here we go. It's not gonna yeah, you're

2148
02:17:21,799 --> 02:17:30,600
not going to do this. So Nick what's up. You

2149
02:17:30,639 --> 02:17:33,120
don't have an actual exchange back and forth we can.

2150
02:17:33,280 --> 02:17:35,079
You're not going to get to just preach for twenty

2151
02:17:35,120 --> 02:17:43,360
minutes without me replying Nick, what's up? Yo?

2152
02:17:45,000 --> 02:17:45,200
Speaker 3: Hey?

2153
02:17:45,200 --> 02:17:45,520
Speaker 10: What's up?

2154
02:17:45,600 --> 02:17:45,920
Speaker 24: Jakie?

2155
02:17:45,959 --> 02:17:46,159
Speaker 1: Yep?

2156
02:17:47,360 --> 02:17:49,319
Speaker 3: Thanks brother? Hey, so happy you having on the show Man.

2157
02:17:49,319 --> 02:17:51,760
Speaker 32: When you mentioned rifftracks earlier, that blew my mind. I

2158
02:17:52,239 --> 02:17:53,760
can't believe you watched riff tracks.

2159
02:17:53,760 --> 02:17:58,399
Speaker 3: But I'm coming to you today. I'm just just obscure man,

2160
02:17:58,440 --> 02:18:00,840
and I know you rolled like that. It's quality stuff

2161
02:18:00,920 --> 02:18:03,959
I do, so of course, yeah.

2162
02:18:03,360 --> 02:18:08,840
Speaker 32: Yes, amen, Amen, Hey, I wanted to I know it's

2163
02:18:08,879 --> 02:18:10,600
not on the title, but I want to know if

2164
02:18:10,600 --> 02:18:12,760
you want to talk about narcissism for just a moment.

2165
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Speaker 1: I mean, are youre to debate or what do you mean?

2166
02:18:15,719 --> 02:18:18,559
Speaker 32: Well, in a sense, I mean it's not necessarily an argument,

2167
02:18:18,639 --> 02:18:20,760
more of an inquiry, right. I think we both agree

2168
02:18:20,840 --> 02:18:25,280
narcissism is fake and gay. But I think there's a

2169
02:18:25,319 --> 02:18:28,520
propensity for people to call out gnostic heresies on things

2170
02:18:28,559 --> 02:18:31,280
that are maybe borderline, or maybe they're just a little

2171
02:18:31,319 --> 02:18:33,360
bit too trigger happy to call out things that are

2172
02:18:33,360 --> 02:18:42,639
authentically within the Gospel and yet have gnostic tinges to them, like, what, well,

2173
02:18:42,680 --> 02:18:46,479
would you agree that the secret mystical knowledge or gnosis

2174
02:18:46,559 --> 02:18:50,760
as they say, is that nosis is reserved for the elect,

2175
02:18:51,399 --> 02:18:54,319
That that's a hallmark of a gnostic heresy, that their

2176
02:18:54,360 --> 02:18:58,000
secret knowledge, it's for the elect, that's nastic heresy.

2177
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Speaker 13: Would you agree with that.

2178
02:19:01,760 --> 02:19:03,840
Speaker 1: In a general sense. But I mean even this is

2179
02:19:03,879 --> 02:19:08,559
the word nosis. I mean that's used in many church

2180
02:19:08,639 --> 02:19:10,559
fathers in the East because it just means knowledge or

2181
02:19:10,600 --> 02:19:12,959
those that have knowledge. So there's a true sense in

2182
02:19:13,000 --> 02:19:15,840
which there's true Gnostics who are the Orthodox, and then

2183
02:19:15,840 --> 02:19:18,479
there's the false sense in which there's the many a

2184
02:19:18,520 --> 02:19:20,479
sex that Aaron As talks about in the first huter

2185
02:19:20,520 --> 02:19:23,000
pages of against Heresies that follow all these different so

2186
02:19:23,079 --> 02:19:26,639
called secret teachings. So in that secondary sense.

2187
02:19:26,520 --> 02:19:32,479
Speaker 32: Yes, well, secret teachings, right, And yet in uh luke

2188
02:19:33,840 --> 02:19:36,079
it says to you it has been given to know

2189
02:19:36,159 --> 02:19:37,399
the secrets of the kingdom.

2190
02:19:37,440 --> 02:19:40,319
Speaker 1: That's why I just made the distinction that I guess.

2191
02:19:40,120 --> 02:19:42,799
Speaker 32: Okay, we're all the same, yes, So I don't think

2192
02:19:42,840 --> 02:19:44,799
there's a disagreement there. I just hope that highlight that

2193
02:19:44,879 --> 02:19:47,600
you know, the Gnostic heresies that we rightly point out

2194
02:19:48,079 --> 02:19:51,479
they do have a precedence to some extent, largely in

2195
02:19:51,559 --> 02:19:52,680
John the Gospel.

2196
02:19:53,000 --> 02:19:55,840
Speaker 1: A Gnostic heresies don't have a precedence. They read into

2197
02:19:55,920 --> 02:19:59,799
those passages what they think those passages mean, and what

2198
02:19:59,879 --> 02:20:01,920
I you said is what I mean. Jesus talks about

2199
02:20:01,920 --> 02:20:04,360
the mysteries of the Kingdom, and he explains that those

2200
02:20:04,360 --> 02:20:07,280
are like the Parables and the gentiles coming into the church.

2201
02:20:07,360 --> 02:20:09,440
Those are the mysteries of the Kingdom that are given

2202
02:20:09,479 --> 02:20:12,399
to the apostles that the disciples, that the Pharisees and

2203
02:20:12,440 --> 02:20:15,319
the Jews don't understand and can't understand. It's nothing to

2204
02:20:15,360 --> 02:20:18,239
do with AONs and the pleroma and all this stuff

2205
02:20:18,280 --> 02:20:19,520
that the Gnostics.

2206
02:20:19,000 --> 02:20:22,479
Speaker 32: Are yes, okay, okay, Well then maybe it just ends there,

2207
02:20:22,520 --> 02:20:25,399
because I think that's really what I The conclusion, at

2208
02:20:25,440 --> 02:20:28,239
least I've come to is that all of the extra

2209
02:20:28,360 --> 02:20:32,760
lore and everything is obviously useless. But I just have

2210
02:20:32,840 --> 02:20:36,159
someone standing for the for the obviously dualism. They take

2211
02:20:36,200 --> 02:20:39,239
it too far, but there's there's actual scripture that they're

2212
02:20:39,280 --> 02:20:40,159
basing it on.

2213
02:20:40,280 --> 02:20:42,399
Speaker 1: They just would go on, no, I mean again, it's

2214
02:20:42,520 --> 02:20:44,319
it's just like it's just like the guy that called

2215
02:20:44,360 --> 02:20:49,079
in a minute ago, who says, well, Mary isn't you know,

2216
02:20:50,040 --> 02:20:53,079
spotless because there's not as a scripture text that explicitly

2217
02:20:53,159 --> 02:20:56,200
says this about her. And it's like, that's an assumption

2218
02:20:56,639 --> 02:21:00,200
that the Protestant solar feet or sol scripture rule is

2219
02:21:00,239 --> 02:21:03,319
how we go about determining doctrine and practice in the church.

2220
02:21:03,920 --> 02:21:06,639
And so when I start to question the assumptions, he's like, no,

2221
02:21:06,680 --> 02:21:09,159
I'm not gonna stop talking over me. Blah blah blah.

2222
02:21:09,200 --> 02:21:11,799
It's the same situation here. It's like, just because there

2223
02:21:11,840 --> 02:21:14,879
are passages that talk about the mysteries of the kingdom,

2224
02:21:15,040 --> 02:21:18,920
or Paul uses the term mysterion, the mysteries, we call

2225
02:21:18,959 --> 02:21:22,200
the sacraments the mysteries. Oh well, the ancient mystery religions

2226
02:21:22,239 --> 02:21:25,879
called their initiation rights the mysteries. Oh it's the same word.

2227
02:21:25,920 --> 02:21:28,639
I guess it's the same thing. It's just the word concept, fallacy,

2228
02:21:29,680 --> 02:21:31,079
reformed Catholic. What's up, man?

2229
02:21:41,120 --> 02:21:44,879
Speaker 18: Go ahead, Yeah, Hey, there's got a couple questions for you,

2230
02:21:45,920 --> 02:21:47,959
one of them being like a geopolitical question and then

2231
02:21:48,000 --> 02:21:51,120
another one kind of get into feminism for a second.

2232
02:21:52,360 --> 02:21:56,040
So I was listening to a conversation you were having

2233
02:21:56,120 --> 02:21:59,840
with Sovereign Braun. I watched the debate with the mistake

2234
02:22:00,000 --> 02:22:03,559
at which that goober's hilarious.

2235
02:22:05,840 --> 02:22:08,079
Speaker 1: I understand, like, why is any why do any of

2236
02:22:08,159 --> 02:22:10,760
these people have an audience at all? I don't understand

2237
02:22:10,840 --> 02:22:14,000
how people can be so dumb. I just don't understand it.

2238
02:22:14,000 --> 02:22:15,639
Speaker 2: It makes me wonder, It makes me wonder if it's

2239
02:22:15,680 --> 02:22:16,559
like a siop or something.

2240
02:22:16,559 --> 02:22:19,239
Speaker 1: But then again, I think maybe there's some element of

2241
02:22:19,280 --> 02:22:21,840
that going on. These people are pushed. But then again,

2242
02:22:21,959 --> 02:22:26,200
like do half the callers that call in that disagree?

2243
02:22:25,920 --> 02:22:32,040
They can't. They can't process like words having multiple meanings,

2244
02:22:32,120 --> 02:22:36,920
So like we're at like mass, we're at like critical

2245
02:22:37,399 --> 02:22:42,159
mass of like dumb because like, like I mean, you

2246
02:22:42,159 --> 02:22:45,600
would think you could understand, like the word kid can

2247
02:22:45,639 --> 02:22:47,920
be a goat or it could be a human. It

2248
02:22:47,959 --> 02:22:51,079
doesn't always mean the same thing. Do we understand that

2249
02:22:51,159 --> 02:22:53,000
people about language? It's just crazy.

2250
02:22:53,959 --> 02:22:54,159
Speaker 18: Yeah.

2251
02:22:54,239 --> 02:22:56,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well it's gonna get worse too, with a lot.

2252
02:22:56,200 --> 02:22:59,520
Speaker 3: Of like the gen Z and AI relying on the idea.

2253
02:23:00,280 --> 02:23:02,440
Speaker 18: There's a there's actually a really funny YouTube video of

2254
02:23:02,479 --> 02:23:04,399
a comedian guy where he goes up to a high

2255
02:23:04,399 --> 02:23:07,159
school and he talks in their language, like the gen

2256
02:23:07,280 --> 02:23:10,200
Z language, and he he doesn't rip somebody new one.

2257
02:23:10,200 --> 02:23:12,079
It's actually kind of larious. If you ever want to

2258
02:23:12,159 --> 02:23:15,120
check in, let me see if.

2259
02:23:15,000 --> 02:23:15,760
Speaker 13: I can pull it up.

2260
02:23:18,840 --> 02:23:20,440
Speaker 2: I'll send it in the I'll send it in the

2261
02:23:20,479 --> 02:23:22,159
chat or what not. I'll get into you.

2262
02:23:22,680 --> 02:23:23,360
Speaker 3: Here's my question.

2263
02:23:23,760 --> 02:23:26,280
Speaker 2: So I have a couple of buddies of mine and

2264
02:23:26,319 --> 02:23:27,239
I'm tending I tend.

2265
02:23:27,159 --> 02:23:29,920
Speaker 13: To uh lean this way. Just got a curiosity on

2266
02:23:30,000 --> 02:23:32,719
your perspective on it. Have you ever read the work

2267
02:23:33,040 --> 02:23:34,360
of William Guy Carr.

2268
02:23:34,440 --> 02:23:37,079
Speaker 18: I think it was like a Canadian or British intelligence guy.

2269
02:23:38,680 --> 02:23:41,719
Speaker 1: I mean that's like old school Boomer era conspiracy stuff.

2270
02:23:41,760 --> 02:23:42,600
I'm familiar with it.

2271
02:23:43,639 --> 02:23:44,799
Speaker 2: So let me ask you a question.

2272
02:23:45,639 --> 02:23:48,920
Speaker 18: Do you think I hear a lot of people especially

2273
02:23:48,959 --> 02:23:52,319
in truth their communities and stuff like that. Uh, we'll

2274
02:23:52,319 --> 02:23:56,479
talk a lot about you know, you know, the patreons

2275
02:23:56,479 --> 02:23:58,680
take control, there's a plan in place, things like that,

2276
02:23:58,760 --> 02:24:02,159
referring to Trump and things like that, that sort of mentality.

2277
02:24:02,479 --> 02:24:04,959
Do you think on the geopolitical stage, because we know

2278
02:24:05,120 --> 02:24:08,000
with like the raptile banking systems and the different deep

2279
02:24:08,040 --> 02:24:09,959
state paradise.

2280
02:24:09,920 --> 02:24:14,559
Speaker 2: Do you think that there is a counter push against

2281
02:24:14,600 --> 02:24:15,120
a lot of that?

2282
02:24:15,520 --> 02:24:18,799
Speaker 18: But do you think there really is a contingent of individuals,

2283
02:24:18,799 --> 02:24:24,479
maybe groups of individuals, who are actively seeking to overthrow

2284
02:24:24,600 --> 02:24:27,239
that system, whether it's the Fiat system, whether it's.

2285
02:24:27,120 --> 02:24:30,399
Speaker 1: The Central Page. There's not a secret cabal of people

2286
02:24:30,479 --> 02:24:33,280
in the establishment, No, but there are. All the people

2287
02:24:33,280 --> 02:24:36,159
that are public are the ones that are trying. Joe,

2288
02:24:36,200 --> 02:24:40,600
what's up? Good question, But none of this q tard

2289
02:24:40,680 --> 02:24:44,399
crap or Nissara older Boomer era conspiracy, that's all fake.

2290
02:24:44,440 --> 02:24:45,559
What's up, John, Joe?

2291
02:24:45,600 --> 02:24:49,600
Speaker 33: I mean, hold up, man, I'm just wondering what's your

2292
02:24:49,840 --> 02:24:54,639
perspective on cultural orthodoxy. It had mentioned something about it,

2293
02:24:54,680 --> 02:24:56,840
but I also really sure what you were saying.

2294
02:24:56,920 --> 02:24:59,639
Speaker 1: It's schismatic, it's heterodox. We have multiple talks on it.

2295
02:25:00,200 --> 02:25:01,879
But thank you for your question. If people that disagree,

2296
02:25:01,879 --> 02:25:03,280
you're welcome to come up to the head of the line.

2297
02:25:03,319 --> 02:25:14,159
Anybody disagree, raise your hand, Derek, what's up? If you

2298
02:25:14,200 --> 02:25:17,000
want to call in, you can Derek, I'm mute, I'm mute,

2299
02:25:17,319 --> 02:25:25,079
and then you can call in through Twitter. What's up? Hey?

2300
02:25:25,120 --> 02:25:27,600
Speaker 3: Can you hear me? Hey?

2301
02:25:27,680 --> 02:25:27,879
Speaker 10: Jay?

2302
02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:29,040
Speaker 7: So I was a.

2303
02:25:29,280 --> 02:25:30,559
Speaker 3: Jew for thirty years.

2304
02:25:31,120 --> 02:25:34,040
Speaker 5: Scamdemic kind of woke me up the way they handled that.

2305
02:25:34,719 --> 02:25:38,079
But you know, with every good con there's truths thrown

2306
02:25:38,159 --> 02:25:42,920
in there. So I was just wondering, when it comes

2307
02:25:43,000 --> 02:25:46,920
to the identity of God and Jesus, what do you

2308
02:25:46,959 --> 02:25:50,159
think about Colossians one fifteen. You don't believe that that's

2309
02:25:50,440 --> 02:25:53,879
identifying Jesus as the firstborn of all creation.

2310
02:25:55,040 --> 02:25:58,079
Speaker 1: That's just talking about his status as resurrect It's not

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talking about his eternal status like John One does. And

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all the Old Testament passages identify the Sun as yahweh.

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Speaker 5: But wouldn't wouldn't that wouldn't the expression being the firstborn

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of the dead be an expression that relates to his resurrection?

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Speaker 1: Both of those fact those phrases, because he's the firstborn

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of the new creation. So he is, and he's called

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that in other passages as well.

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Speaker 13: So where is the new huh?

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Speaker 1: In the I'm not saying, I'm not saying in Colossians

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he's called the new Colossians one.

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Speaker 5: What he's the image of the invisible God, the French

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born of all creation?

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Speaker 1: Right by being, by being the firstborn son and being resurrected,

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he is overall creation. That's why hebers One calls him

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the creator of the angels and not therefore a creature.

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Speaker 5: Well, you said, you quoted it as first and over,

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so you think that's a genitive of subordination instead of

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a part of the genitive.

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Speaker 1: I'm interpreting it in light of all the other passages

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and not your Jobah's witness interpretation of the passage. Because

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in Hebrews one, he is called the creator of all

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the beings. How could he be the creator if he's

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a creature?

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Speaker 3: Well, first we have to sailish if he was created.

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Speaker 1: In Hebrews one, is he called the creator of the

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worlds and the creator of the angels? And thus is

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he superior to the angels because he created them?

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Speaker 5: Well, the whole point that Paul was making was he

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was trying to establish how Jesus became better.

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Speaker 1: In Hebrews one, is he called the creator of the Alright,

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so you're not gonna answer, You're just gonna he is no,

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he let's get out of here, stupid he Zach. What's up?

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You notice they won't ever go to Hebrews one. He's

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called the creator of the angels, and they're like, what,

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he's also the creator angel? What's up?

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Speaker 34: I don't know if you're taking this kind of a

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basic question about John six, is that alright to ask

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you what what's the Orthodox position on When Jesus says

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I'm the part of life, is that a literal or

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a metaphor or metaphorical interpretation.

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Speaker 1: He's talking about the Eucharist that he's going to set

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up that we eat. So he's talking about literal the

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bread of life. Just like they ate the man in

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the wilderness, we will eat him in the eucharist.

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Speaker 10: Like that.

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Speaker 1: You're cutting out all. You're cutting out her Hebrews one eight.

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I guess, go ahead, you're wondering what I was.

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Speaker 10: Just wondering.

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Speaker 34: In John six. Why is it a literal? Why is

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it literal instead of metaphorical?

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Speaker 11: I'm not saying in the.

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Speaker 1: Text because the rest of the Bible interprets the passages

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in John six. I don't go to John six and

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just decide, oh, it's symbolic. Because the other passages he's

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called the door, so it's symbolic. I look at all

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the other passages that enlighten me and tell me what

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he probably means in John six, not in isolation. So

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when all the other passages that talk about the Eucharist

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and feeding on him and eating his flesh, drinking his

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blood and participating in uncreated glory, as John seventeen says,

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I know that when I go back to John six,

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I read it in the light of all the other

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passages that inform me that it's not metaphorical.

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Speaker 34: I'm not sure I would agree with that per se,

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because in a lot of the texts of the Bible,

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they were circulated on their own, they were not circulated altogether.

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Speaker 1: But what does what does that have to do? What

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does that have to do with how we do canonical interpretation.

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So the fact that their circulated separate doesn't have anything

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to do with whether or not there was a holistic

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once for all fai, as Jude three says, and in

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divine providence, that the texts were collected together. And we

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know that this is the faith of the early Church

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because the first second third century church fathers all teach

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that it is the real presence. None of them teach

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a symbolic view. Why would they all all had passed

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down to them right after the death of the Apostles

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a faith based on the real presence, before there was

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even a collected Bible together.

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Speaker 34: Well, first of all, I think you might be presupposing universality,

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which is something that I don't.

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Speaker 3: Agree with I think supposing that where contradicting.

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Speaker 34: Huh, just with the assumption that all the texts would

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agree with each other.

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Speaker 11: That's one assumption.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that first second, third century church fathers, who

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don't even have all of the texts, have a unanimous

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interpretation of the real presence.

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Speaker 34: And even then, though that also seems like an argument

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to add populum. Just because many people believe something, that

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doesn't mean that'sinate.

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Speaker 1: Now that refute your point that it's not true, because

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I'm arguing that why would it have been handed down

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across the board to believe in the real presence? If

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in John sixth Jesus wasn't teaching that, if that that

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that wasn't his intention for his church. So I'm not

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arguing that's true because they all believed it add popular

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and I'm arguing that that proves that that's what's handed down.

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Speaker 34: Well, right, But the thing is, I'd like to know

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what their reasoning was behind it.

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Speaker 11: Like, sure, I'm I'm open.

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Speaker 34: To believing that it was passed down, but again I'm

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I'm more concerned about whether it's true or not.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, at that point, then we're not really debating

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about the claims of John six. But what whether religion

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itself is true God's existence? I mean, what that's more

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fundamental than this.

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Speaker 34: Well, I believe in God. I just I'm saying my God,

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believe in the.

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Speaker 3: God of Israel.

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Speaker 1: Well, the God of Israel is who.

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Speaker 11: I mean? Yahwah's how he's often referred to.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and is he? What unity? Are you Jewish?

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Speaker 11: What I mean? I believe in godhead. I'm a member

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of the Order of Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 1: The Okay, well you don' you don't believe in the God?

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Just say here we go, thank you. So you believe

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in and worship a man who was a man that

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became God and it was a creature, right, No, No,

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well that's Mormon doctrine.

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Speaker 3: What do you mean that's doctrine?

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Speaker 1: What no? I mean? I've got Mormon Doctrine by Bruce

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McConkie right here and under the entry about God the

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Father it says that very thing on page two seventy eight.

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So what do you mean?

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Speaker 34: Okay, Well, Mormon doctrine, that book, Mormon Doctrine is not

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the source of all Mormon doctrines.

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Speaker 1: Can you name a Mormon who doesn't teach the adom

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god doctrine?

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Speaker 11: Who doesn't teach the atom god doctrine?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is fun to make it to Moranism. The

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Book of Mormon teaches this?

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Speaker 11: Where where does the book.

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Speaker 34: Okay, I'm just just want to make sure it really

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cutting out.

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Speaker 1: Hold on one second, my print is tiny, all right.

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Excuse me, it's doctrine and covenants. Excuse me, I'm wrong.

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It does not Book of Mormon's Doctrine Covenants. Okay, do

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you believe that?

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Speaker 11: What passage you are you referring to?

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Speaker 1: Uh? Well, according to Bruce McConkey, it's in multiple passages

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of Doctrine Covenants, including one thirty twenty two,