Speaker 1: You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network and now
it's time for the Paranormal Peep Show.
Speaker 2: Hi folks, you're listening to the Paranormal Peep Show with
myself Nie Chaplain a new award. Some of you might
be watching as well. Neil, How's things fine?
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for asking. I'm actually just getting
over cold. I'm actually a lot finer than what was
about a wish, which has been pretty bad. But I've
just done a talk for Dorset Earth Mysteries and I
did a talk called Hominids and Humanoids, which is the
first time I gave that talking out in so it
was a prototype kind of talk, seeing how to go.
So I was talking about basically sasquatch Bigfoot, that type
of thing covered a lot on the patty in happening
in northern California in nineteen sixty seven, and spoke about
the Minnesota ice ma'am, which was an alleged shot Bigfoot
by this guy that used to take it around county
fairs and things in a freezer. And then in part
two of the talk, I went on to talk about
humanoids humanoid encounters, and this is why our guest is
a very help person in that respect because he's got
lots of encounters with humanoids in his.
Speaker 2: Would you classify as a humanoid?
Speaker 3: Well, generally, my understanding of it is something that's got
two arms, two legs, and a head. But whatever is
in between is anybody's guests, you know, where he's got
three eyes, two males, no mouth, one air or anything
like that.
Speaker 2: So technically a gray could be a humanoid.
Speaker 3: Gray could be humanoid. That's right, it would fit that
kind of definition. But you can go through the whole thing.
And so what I was doing in the second part
of my talk was covering variations of humanoid encounters, and
that likely the lady that had the ufone counter in
Stafford Sheer Jesse Rosen Schustenburg, Risdenburg. Thank you, Ben, Ben
he is joining us as well. Ben Emlyn Jones, Thanks
for joining us.
Speaker 4: Ben.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, Ben's my backup when my mind goes blank.
Speaker 5: It's it's a very very incredible case there. Yeah, it's
funny you mention that I didn't know you were going
to do that talk. Neil Funnilyough. I've just literally written
an article about the Minnesota Iceman on a pan my voice,
which is my news blog. Fascinating case because literally, I
mean the display began I think of the late sixties,
and then Bernald Hoveman's and Ivan T. Sanderson did an
article about it, and it's actually gained some publicity. And
the next thing you know, government officials came along and
confiscated the body and they said they needed to examine
it for a few days. When it came back, it
was just a latex similarly to the original body.
Speaker 4: And why would I mean, we don't talk about this tonight.
Speaker 5: I'm sure we don't have time, but you know, this
idea of concealment of evidence.
Speaker 4: Is a staple of uthology.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but why would want not want us to
know that Bigfoot exists?
Speaker 2: Is the clastic nothing to see here, folks?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think Lloyd Pie, the guy that was the star
Child's guy star Child's gone, I don't know what you
call him, protagonist keeper at the time, he was very
much into the Bigfoot as well. I mean, it's a
lot of the information I got for that talk came
from his books. Everything you know is wrong. He died
in twenty thirteen, but he said he actually saw the
Minnesota icemanan as a kid when Frank Hanson the original
owner or keeper of it, should I say, because the
actual owner was supposedly a Hollywood millionaire and James Stewart
was reputed to be the guy that actually physically owned it,
supposedly Jim Well, yeah, I mean Bob Ruben.
Speaker 4: That's the rumor.
Speaker 3: Rumor Control has it that James Stewart was the guy
that financed it in some way. But Frank Hanson said
he wasn't the owner. He was the keeper. Although you know,
depends on which story you read, but yeah, Lloyd Pie
basically said that he saw it in a carnival or
in a shopping mall or something like that, in a freezer,
and he said, you know, you paid your money, you
went in and you looked right up closed and you
could see blood leaking from wound's eyes popped out. You
could see real fur frozen in the eyes that was there.
He said, that was a love a living being once
at one point. You know, there's no way that was faked.
And also in the report written by the two scientists
Sannasan and the other guy, the Belgian guy, is that
one of the things they noticed is that the fur
on it in certain parts was if you think of
like a stripee cat's tail was striped, so you'd get
sort of a patterning on some of the fur. Now,
if you're going to fake that, that would be a
really difficult thing to fake striped fur on a creature
and putting all the individual hairs in with a needle
into some sort of wax body or something like that,
and then repeat that process, and you've got thousands of
hairs in one area, and then you go to the
next air, which is going to be a dark foot,
and then back to the light of varion.
Speaker 2: Did anyone ever take a photo of the so called
alleged real one?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, there happen, photographs and sketches made. What happened
the initial guys that investigated it over a three day
period when it was being put in for the winter
basically in a cold storage unit, they were leaning over
the glass to try and get a closer look, and
as he leaned over the glass, the glass clapped slightly
under and cracked. They could smell rotten flesh coming through
the glass, which proved to them that it was a
corpse or something.
Speaker 2: You know, where can people find the video for your
talk meal?
Speaker 3: I haven't actually videoed it yet I did the presentation, Okay,
I will probably be doing a presentation of it maybe
in June, and our video it again, and this it'd
be a second presentation of it, so it'd be a
bit more refined, I suppose, a bit more practiced. But
once once that video I'll certainly uploaded to YouTube by
the end of June, i'd like to think, so, yeah, certainly,
I'll let you know once that's done. It's really really
interesting case is the Minnesota Iceman. Right, I think it's
time we bring our guest on. So thank you for
waiting in the wings. We'd like to welcome once more
to the Paranormal Peep Show Preston Dennit join us from California.
Hello Preston, welcome once again to the Paranormal Peep.
Speaker 4: Show in your Thanks for having you on odan.
Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us. So how are you keeping?
First of all, President, did you have a good holiday
Christmas and everything?
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, now, beha. Theos are always fun. It's always
nice one that over too.
Speaker 3: Now, we've been looking lots of things stateside, with lots
of things like we've been here, I mean, we've had
him in the UK. But then they seem to hot
up over the US as well, with all these drones
flying around the skies and things. And I know that
we have drones appearing here in US bases. Prior to Christmas,
they were lots of drones mysteriously appearing in the UK
and at UK airports, and then suddenly they started to
appear in the United States as well.
Speaker 4: So we heard only recently.
Speaker 3: The claim is that it was the Aviation Authority was
I don't know, it gave the approval of these drones
to be flowing apparently, even though it was quiet for
the whole time and never said a bicky bird. And
then suddenly as soon as Trump gets in, there's an announcement, Oh, yes,
the drones. The Aviation Authority or Civil Aviation Authority, they
approved them and they're just for research purposes or something.
I mean, what's your opinion of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, sure certainly would have been nice if they
had broken up a little bit sooner, which is suspicious
to me. But having studied all the reports, I honestly,
you know, having talked to people who I think are
in a position to know the truth, people like James
Goodall and aviation historian Dolly Saffron, who is connected to
the Department of Defense and other people, I think their
covert military ops exclusively. And I know people are describing
all kinds of strange movements and orbs and so forth.
Would you look.
Speaker 2: Up, would you suspect the purpose is or.
Speaker 4: Was probably a couple of things here. Perhaps it is,
you know, searching for nuclear material, which was certainly one
reason raised. But I'm it feels kind of propaganda ished
because here we have all these disclosure meetings going on,
and this is when this comes up, all these drones,
and the mediac goes absolutely crazy, and it was a
frenzy covering this, which is also unusual. The media rarely
touches UFO reports, so that also seemed a little bit
odd to me, only flying around at night, which is
really not quite how UFOs generally behave. In a wave
of sightings, the beginning is yeah, and that's I think,
honestly what this might be a sort of dry run,
a little practice false why the invasion that ben you
need to say something?
Speaker 5: Yeah, the year anyone who's been following the whole drone situation,
the announcement the other day by Christine Lever, is it
Caroline Lever what's her name, the press for secretary, the
announcement that she the very very brief announcement that she issued,
which was Caroline leave It. Yes, a very brief announcement
that she meeted, just saying an updates on the New
Jersey drones after a search and study. The drones are
flying over New Jersey and large numbers were authorized to
be flowing by the FAA for a search and other
reasons now and some of them are hobbyists as well. Well,
no doubt there are some hobbyists because everyone was doing
a copycat thing. But the fact of the matter is
that these were not issued. These were not authorized by
the Federal Aviation Administration at all. We know that because
because journalists were writing to them and asking them about it.
We also know that there was a there was a
massive reaction from from various police forces, and there was
anti drone technic anti drome weapons deployed to various bases
and other facilities such as nuclear weapons sorry, nuclear power
stations and things like this, very sensitive areas. These anti
drome weapons didn't seem to work incidentally when they were
when if indeed they were deployed, and even President Trump
himself actually canceled the trip to the Bedminster, New Jersey
because of advice from his security team.
Speaker 4: And then they come out with this.
Speaker 5: This is this is baffling, it's confusing, it's disappointing considering
that this is the guy who signed the executive order
to release the JFK files or at least start the
ball rolling in that direction.
Speaker 4: So something else is going on here.
Speaker 5: Either this is some kind of posturing at whoever's keeping
this secret, or there's more. There's something that they're paving
the ground for something else. And it could be like
you said, Andy and Preston mentioned Project Bluebean. Now, I
wouldn't put it past the those driving towards greater authoritarianism
in this world, the in order to in order to
justify some kind of state of emergency. They would say, well,
all right, we'll hold our hands up, will admit it.
Aliens are real. We've been lying to you. Sorry about this,
but they're nasty aliens and we need we need to
come together as one. As Ronald Reagan said, you know,
put our differences aside. We face from a threat beyond
this earth, so temporary of course, and then the power
we've taken from the people. We will return to the people,
we promise you. So I want to put a person
to try something like that if they were desperate. The
last card cal Rosen called, didn't she Yeah, last.
Speaker 2: It went what was it?
Speaker 4: It went?
Speaker 2: Rogue states, then terrorist organizations. Then asteroid has pupped up recently. Yeah,
the paper is all about this asteroid. And now we've
got Brian Cox kind of like for those who don't
know in America, he's kind of like quite a famous
BBC presenter, astronomer, very science. He's the go to science
guy for anything space, basically mainstream. And he's talking about
you know, the one in forty three chants something like
that about Earth being struck by an asteroid? Where's all
this suddenly coming from? And as you say, Ben, the
last card is the alien card. But it feels like
they're laying these cards really really quickly, aren't they. Because
they've got the COVID card, and now they've got the
asteroid card, and now they've got the you know, the
possible blue Beam card. It's like, why, why is it
that all of these things are happening in the past,
you know, five years or so.
Speaker 5: It's it's it's that seemed very carefully controlled this whole process.
Speaker 4: Very intentional. FAA. I don't trust them when it comes
to the UFO subject. I certainly don't trust our military
or intelligence agencies. They always lie when it comes to
the UFOs every several times.
Speaker 5: Well, I don't know, well question, I mean, I know
there's several pilots who've been who've actually reported these things,
both for military and a civil who have suffered and
suffered professionally considerably when they're making UFO And I mean,
I think this taboo is lifting somewhat, that's you know,
especially with the Callahan's speech and the Washington, d C.
Press conference. But still it's a lot of I'm sure
a lot of pilots attempted just to keep their mouths shut.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd still say that's the rule more than the exception.
So times are changing. I mean, these recent congressional hearings
that don't call disclosure by any means, I think really
the best result from them has been the fact that
many new people are being brought into the field just
in the subject of skyrocketing. It is going mainstream. It's
adding legitimacy to it that it's never enjoyed before.
Speaker 2: Which is all good news.
Speaker 4: I think it steps towards disclosure. Out in deal our
government admits to the truth of Roswell say, or the
Capital flyover, or the incident at Almstrom Air Force Base
in nineteen sixty seven from Montana where they set down
our nuclear missiles. Get to the truth of that, and
then we can talk. You know the restaurant.
Speaker 2: If guys come across you guys come across the really
weird one a supposed video about you know, this flight
that went missing, flight M three seventy. Have you come
across the video where allegedly there's three or flying around
it and then the plane just disappears?
Speaker 5: That does Ashton Forbes, who's been studying that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, YouTube.
Speaker 2: Just come my radar part from the pume recently. What's
your guys thoughts that? Because I've seen the videos and
I don't know. The problem We've got is that AI
is so sophisticated. It could we could be looking at AI.
And this applies to everything Bigfoot, ghosts UFOs him in
the whole lot. There are elements that could be AI.
Speaker 3: Who was film in the camera then to capture the
m MHI.
Speaker 5: Suit I could Ashton talks I can answer that, Ashton.
So Ashton mentioned since there are two films, and there
are two videos, ones from a your space basing for
red satellite and another is from a drone, and so
although he says, but as you said, Andy, you can
never Unfortunately a visual evidence does no longer carriage the
weight that it used to do because what can't be
fake these days? And indeed there's many people claiming these
were fate. It was what long ago twenty fourteen technically
would have been possible. Although ash and disputes this, and
there's there's this back and forth between him and other people.
I'm ash is quite good at defending his position that
I'm not an expert in this field. But it's fascinating, cursion.
Speaker 2: What genuine experiences or contact is going to do If
the say there's a rare occasion where they see a
physical anomaly, they see a UFO, they see you know,
a gray or Nordic or whatever, and they take a
photo of it and they release it and then immediately
everyone says it's AI. I mean, what can be done
in that situation if it's a genuine pot to How
are we ever going to how are we ever going
to know.
Speaker 3: You put that lots of videos president of people having
humanoid encounters, and there was one of the guy that
I think he was in Spain and he was the
doctor and he was looking for rock, so I think
he wanted to study a bit of geology on his
weekend off and I think he was heading around past
Gibraltar when he saw this what he initially thought was
a monkey running across in front of him when he
was on his motorbike, and he kept his arms flat
and it jumped into a hedge, and the guy happened
to have his camera with him and he took a
photograph of the alleged ufo, which was like a green shaped,
well green ufo with kind of wings on it, and
it had like this is the weird thing. It had
like a shutter door if you imagine like a I
don't know a store in the UK and any high
street and when they bring down the shutters at night
to lock up. It had a door like that, like
a slatted kind of shutter thing, which I thought was
a really weird thing to have on a flying saucer.
But this was taking about nineteen sixty something, sixty eight
sixty seven on his slide film. I was a bit
suspicious of that photograph, wondering in myself if it was
a model. But it's a shame he didn't get a
picture of the creature that supposedly led him to it.
But I mean, one of the things I do find
all these accounts really interesting, these people having these accounts.
But as one of the guys said to me when
I did my talk recently, why don't people take photographs?
Everyone's got a cell phone in their pocket these days.
Why don't people just take a photograph of their UFO
or the alien being whatever. But my answer to that
was is that initially they're so gobsmacked by the experience
that they don't actually come to their senses and think
rational stuff. Oh, I better take a picture. Sometimes some
people do, but other times they're just caught like a
deer in the headlights.
Speaker 4: What do you think to that pression, Well, I think
you hit the nail on the head there. I personally
had a very close up UPO siding with a camera
around my neck and it could not look away. I
really did not even think of it. There are a
number of cases out there with photographic evidence, so people
have attempted to take photographs and they don't come out knowing.
The Hudson Valley fo rave in Upstate New York nineteen
eighties early nineteen nineties. Some people tried to take photographs
and some did come out, but most did not. I
know several cases like this. There was one case that
I investigated personally in Catalina Island. This is off the
coast of southern California. Oh there thinking eighty six thereabouts
eighty four. There were eleven people there, and four of
them had cameras. There were photographers, more of them actually,
but not one of their cameras would actually work. Oh
my god, so there was something else going on. There
very few photographic cases of euts that I do find
very intriguing, particularly the one of Jeff Greenhaw, who is
a police officer called doing you othsiding by another lady
saw this metallic figure, Oh yeah, leaping down the road.
He managed to capture forror A photographed. This wasn't Arkansas.
Speaker 5: I know that one I asked, can ask questions when
you were in this situation? This is just something that's
never happened to me. I mean, I know people like yourself,
I've known this as a lady I know very well
who's had a close, very close encounter with a large object.
Do you do you think this was something that the
object is because of the influence of the object you
didn't seek.
Speaker 4: To take a photogrom of.
Speaker 5: Or is you think it's just a natural human reaction
when confronted with something out of this world? Or is
there another explanation that's not understudible for me as a.
Speaker 4: Question, I really don't think it was an outside inflaight,
because it was just such a surprise, even though I'd
actually gone there, you know, expecting to see the UFO,
because I was being brought there by a contact he
essentially was setting this up. But I do know cases.
There was a gentleman who had a camera on his
passenger seat and kept reaching for it, but felt like
he was being influenced not to pick it up and
tried several times. Another case in it was Italy involving
a gentleman and a whole bunch of children, and two
of them had crept off into the forest just to
admire the scenery. Saw humanoid quite close up, and he
tried to pick up his camera, but it became he says,
unbelievably heavy, did not move it. His arms felt slightly paralyzed.
That is, I think, is another case where they are
influencing a person.
Speaker 5: Perhaps, Yeah, it's just so I was going to say
that this is this is just this is essentially the
phenomenon itself is actually evading, evading just evidence capture, cameras
try off and but the fact that I stop cameter
take and stop.
Speaker 4: Cameras from working, and I know they do.
Speaker 5: Sometimes some people suddenly find that their mobile fern and
batteries gone flat or something.
Speaker 2: It's just gone flat.
Speaker 4: I say, my favorite footage ever is the coomberg As
Turkey footage. That's clearly a display. Clearly they wanted to
be filmed.
Speaker 5: But that sounds tanradictory, doesn't it. I mean it sounds
I say, it sounds contradictory. But we may well be dealing,
of course, with many different species who have many different
agendas on.
Speaker 2: A kind of like off on a slight tangent from that, Ben,
it's not just species, it's it's kind of like sections
within the within. I'm going to use the term woo woo.
So there's cross correlations between the u FI world and
the ghost world, for instance, So when people are out
doing ghost hunts, whatever ghosts might be. Sometimes their equipment fail,
sometimes their batteries get drained. Sometimes they take photos that
don't come out, and interestingly, sometimes there's this phenomena where
they see the ghosts and even if they've got a
camera again, they don't think to take a photo of
the ghost. And the influence thing is interesting as well,
because you probably aware there's there's some kind of like
haunted roads where there's a lot of accidents and some
people report having feelings of being influenced, like I've I've
felt the compulsion to drive into a ditch. I don't
know if you've come across that, but I've been viewing
some videos recently about different stories and you know, things
of a negative nature, let's say, where there's kind of
like influences, whether it's the demonic or kind of negative. Again,
have you guys come across kind of cross correlations between
the UFO world and the ghost world that in that sense,
We'll let Preston go first.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there are some really interesting harmonalogies, certainly, but we're
bleed Brughs as well. Not unusual for a person to
have an intense onboard encounter and then come back and
have culture geist type activity.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this is interesting, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah? I did the other way once. I interviewed these
two ladies who had a very intense what I think
was a demonic counting part Van Nuys, California, and how
the UFO sitting very close up immediately following, which they
feel very much was connected in some way part of
the same.
Speaker 2: Are they the same thing? I mean, this is what
we really need to ask these these energies. Are they
or at least are they coming from the same dimension
or a similar dimension or using some kind of portal
that are the same. So, for instance, if somebody opens
a paranormal type ghost type portal, are there aliens thinking
oh we can use that. All the other way around
just be seeing UFOs and you know, some kind of
porter's open with that, some kind of poltergeisto demonic entity thinks,
oh we can use that. I wonder what's really going
on with that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't have any evidence of that. I'm of
the school of thought that these are separate.
Speaker 2: Type of thing phenomena.
Speaker 4: I think a bigfoot is a big foot, even though
there are cases where you know UFOs and big foot
are seen at the same time. Yeah, I've heard fresh guys,
Little six series and stuff. I don't think those are
the same thing as ets. I know there are researchers
who conflate this all together. It's a phenomena that wears
different masks and manifesting according to your belief system. I
don't find that persuasive for a number of reasons. But yeah,
really interesting.
Speaker 2: I'm going to press you on that, actually, preston what
are the reasons, because I want to delve into this
a little bit.
Speaker 4: Well. When it comes to say someone has a very
intense onboard experience like I mentioned, comes back, it's almost
to the rule rather than the exception, that they'll experience
a wide variety of paranormal event. And I really dug
deep into this because it's very common someone will start
having out about experiences perhaps or precognition, or have a
poultrygeist outbreak in their home. I think, what's going on here.
They'll experience mediumship or psychic greeting healings. Their psychic abilities
have been to some extent, I think ignited, woken up,
strengthened as a result of their encounter. This does appear
to be one of the et agendas, for lack of
a better word, missions goals, is to wake us up
to our own abilities. Urns up a lot. I mean,
I interviewed one lady out an encounter in aunt. We're
near Washington, in her apartment with a little silver suited
entity to work that morning, and first blew out her
computer and copier machine than the facts machine. That would
be a coincidence. Her bioelectric field was somehow affecting all
these instruments. I say that because this turns up over
and over contact. It's blowing out watches and light bulbs
and fuzzing up TVs and radios. So I think what
we're looking here, what we're looking at here is that
having contact and this can come from a near death
experience even or seeing it though so it wakes you
up to some degree, can sort of open the doorway
for other activity I could see.
Speaker 2: To you, if I'm understanding, I correct your press, and
you're saying that the phenomena are set for but what
unifies them is that the person experiencing them has opened
themselves up to some gateway where this can is possible
in their life.
Speaker 4: I think it's ultimately about our own consciousness, it's an
external portal or anything like that. This is my assessment
because this is a really puzzling aspect. You know, a
lot of researchers absolutely disregard but very nuts and bolts
don't want to talk about spiritual areonormal aspects of this,
which I think is a mistake because they are clearly connected. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the things that intrigues me in a
lot of the accounts, and we can sort of quote
a few cases, like there's thefar A Gill case where
in Papa New Guinea I think it was in nineteen
fifty was it fifty three something like that, thinking late fifties,
I think lately. And yeah, in this like a church
off off the coast of Papa New Guinea, they saw
this flyings also for about three days running and kept appearing.
But they noticed there's people coming out on the surface
of this ufo. They appear to be working on it
in some way, you know, maintain it or checking it
or repairing it and things like that. And Father Girl
and his friends basically waved the people the beings on board,
and they would wave back, and I think they're trying
to encourage them to land because the landing legs were up,
but it never actually landed, accoring to.
Speaker 4: The records.
Speaker 3: But in a lot of cases people have encountered UFOs
and there's always seem to be people, beings, aliens, etis
whatever that are either walking around the UFO or repairing
one end of it, or you know, like maintaining it
in some way. And I'm thinking, now, if we got
our own aircraft, for instance, are landing, you know, they
take off, do a mission, they land, or they have
to make an own landing or something, then you don't
see the pilots getting out walking around trying to repair
their own craft. You know, it's normally done by engineers
on the ground or something. You know.
Speaker 5: I just find that that.
Speaker 3: Bizarre that these these people are traveling machines, but they
seem to be unreliable that they've got to repair them
all the time, but they always have to repair them
in front of witnesses. Now, I think that's a bit
of a correlation of something going on there. And my
own theory is that they want to be seen, these beings,
so they're standing outside the craft, but they don't want
to appear to be threatening to whoever's going to observe them.
So if they can appear to be offhandish, Oh, we're
not really interested in you. We've got things to do here.
We're going to fiddle with our machinery, but you can
watch us do it type of thing. Therefore, we're posing
no threat because we're not interested in you. Then we
might engage in conversation with you. Where are you from? Oh,
I'm from so and zone. Tomorrow I'm going to so
and so. As in the case of these phantom airships,
a lot of people encounter people doing that sort of thing.
I mean, what's your thoughts on that preson with people
supposedly repairing their craft.
Speaker 4: Now, I apparently looked into those tapes of cases. It's
pretty rare category, and I think, but we're honestly have
to consider, is we're speculating here that they're repairing these craft.
You don't know, so there could be a number of
things going on here, whatever they're doing, I mean, until
we know, we don't know. But yeah, quite a few
cases of them wandering around the top of their craft,
walking around it, fiddling with it. Absolutely, we see that
a good number of cases where they ignore the witnesses completely.
Others will they'll look right at you or walk up
towards you. Many many many cases where they come downland
walk up to the witness, walk right back into the craft.
It's odd. I mean, like, what is the purpose of
that other than to sort of announce their presence. Ultimately,
I've come to that conclusion that that is one of
the purposes that they're here, is simply announcing their presence.
I mean, I wrote a whole book bou Yard UFB,
and they hover over scores. I got a hundred cases,
very low level sightings daytime, usually but landing in about
one third of the cases, usually pretty brief. They get out,
walk around the craft, a little bit, might wave. Then
you can walk up to the students, communicate briefly, but
right back into the after they go. So it does
appear that you teas are putting on what amounts to
a publicity campaign, very vigorous. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Because the other sort of analogy I give is is
that fact is that, like, for instance, if someone moves
to a neighborhood and they want to go and introduce
themselves to the neighbors. I mean, here in the UK,
always used to be oh our pop round to borrow
a bowl of sugar, and that way I'll introduce myself. Now,
the purpose is that they don't really want a bowl
of sugar, but they take a bowl or something and
they're not going to go, oh, hello, I'm your new
next door neighbor. My name is Mike. Is it possible
I can borrow a bowl of sugar?
Speaker 4: Please?
Speaker 3: I'm just out and an then just move in, and
then it engages in a conversation. And so you're turning
up and you're not looking weird by standing there with nothing. Hello,
I'm your neighbor, and I'm you know, it looks like
you've got some sort of purpose, and it looks like
you're friendly. It looks like you're going to be there temporarily,
and so you engage in a conversation and it's a
non threat in social interaction, and you go away with
a bowl of sugar and you probably don't even need
it at all. But that way, you've established a social
kind of etiquette of saying hello to your neighbor in
a very friendly way. And I wonder if these people
repairing their craft and essentially doing the same thing they're
they're borrowing a bowl of sugar. It's sort of alien sense.
Speaker 4: It could?
Speaker 5: I mean, can I ask the preston actually, because I mean,
what's pretty clear is that these encounters you call them youts?
Is that ultra terrestrial?
Speaker 4: Is that something I heard? The term? I'm not a
fan of it.
Speaker 3: Don't kill you?
Speaker 4: Sure? What does it? What do you mean by you tas?
That's not a term I generally use. Now I have
the same question, what exactly is that? To me? It's sure?
Speaker 3: And they came from another dimension rather than from planets
and styles and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but don't we all? I mean, isn't every entity
and existence interdimensional to some degree? And God had two
dimensional aspects? We come from dors the other side?
Speaker 5: What how you well, when that goes into the realm
of I suppose psychical research, the soul, consciousness and things
like that. But yeah, I mean, that's that's interesting fast
an interesting point.
Speaker 4: We give these people all kinds of different labels. We
love labels and names. It helps us to understand things.
I think the extrapresstrial I'll call it a hypothesis, but
I think it's pretty well established because I mean, I
can possibly be alone in this universe that makes zero sense.
Evidence is overwhelming with all of these human eied reports
associated with metallic rafter portholes, leaving landing traces, all people
on board, giving them implants, healing them, and so on.
Certainly it's the explanation of extra crustrial, very neatly, far
better I think than any other explanation we have. People
will come, oh, time travelers from the future. Well, I
looked into that, and I couldn't find enough cases, I think,
to really build a convincing argument that that's who they are.
That's givious here, Yeah, interdimensional again, that's I think. The
one that really bothers me the most is the argument
that's put forth by Jacques Vallet and Don Keel and
Jerome Clark, Lauren Coleman and others that this is a
phenomena that is wearing different masks and it's not etis
at all. But the argument to support this is honestly
very speculative and based on no actual evidence to support it.
So you know, I know that there are commonality is
between little very folk and little people and all the
different cultures I look deeply into that. I think those
are actually real entities, which we would probably call more
appropriately interdimensional or perhaps crypto terrestrials. That's another term I've heard.
Speaker 2: That's quite cool.
Speaker 5: But I mean, one thing's for certain. There's a lot
of variety. I mean, for example, they take many different forms,
and they seem to exhibit a wide variety of behavior.
I mean you just mentioned that sometimes they'll hide from you.
Sometimes they'll come at the witness and I'll sty'll approach
the witness, and as Neil said, sometimes they'll even wave
to you, which is a very human gesture.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, verb hiseous pretty much balls under the
same umbrella as human behavior. I will say, it's quite
a bit more benevolent we do for each other.
Speaker 5: Oh but yeah, the concept of when it comes to
stranger interaction, I mean it goes from like I say,
benevolent other people. It appears that some people have very
unpleasant experiences with these beings. The majority appear, i would say,
appear to be almost like they're studying it. They're actually
examining us. That seems to be the providing the prevailing
feely yet.
Speaker 4: Off these things.
Speaker 5: There's people are subjected to various medical examinations. There's sometimes
sometimes they'll like to literally sit you down and talk
to you something. Usually it's a telepathic communication, but I'll
sometimes sit you down and have long conversations with you,
and sometimes they issue warnings and their device and things
like that.
Speaker 4: It's really set pattern when someone's taking on board. Yes,
the most common experience people will report as being physically examined.
I will say healing is a big part of this
on board experience because I've got cases from pretty much
every major researcher out there, multiple cases of this. Yeah,
people are physically examined sometimes, and if you're not having
a complete negative reaction, this is why I think some
people say, oh, this was not a This was not
a good experience for me. It felt negative because it
was very very scary. For that.
Speaker 5: It wouldn't a wild animal that's captured by vet and
and then the vet will will treat them in some way.
And for example, I saw a penguin being with a
piece of wire wrapped around it and the vet captured it,
and the penguin was obviously terrified because this is when
it in a net. But then the vet and then
cut the wire off the penguin and put some ointment
and dressing on the wound around its neck and then
let it go. And then the penguin hopped away very happily,
obviously delighted, delighted that this horrible wire had been taken
from his body.
Speaker 4: Many to penguin friends, exactly, it.
Speaker 5: Must have the experience must be like because we obviously
when you when we interact between species, there is this
I mean, we can interact between species. You've got a dog.
Speaker 4: Actually, you've got a dog in.
Speaker 5: The background there you have a relationship with that dogs
on human animal and you can have very close relationships
with dogs and some of the pets as well.
Speaker 4: But they because you know, we have all kinds of
life on this planet, and people are like, I wonder
what would be like to interact with an eat, Well,
you should visit dolphins and have an interaction with them,
and very intelligent dogs as well. They realize that animals
are quite sentient.
Speaker 5: As they called Denise Hersing, who's currently trying to decode
the dolphins and language, Oh there's a pussy cat. Yes, yeah,
but you see this is this is I suppose like
when you're dealing with an eat intelligence, this is this
is This is one of my big critics of SETI,
the search for extratersted intelligence. Not only they looking for
something millions and miles away, which they could find flying
a few dozen feet above our heads, which seems a
little bit strange. But they make a lot of assumptions
about what these beings would be, Like, I mean, Carl
Sagan designed these plaques with a man holding his hands
up like that.
Speaker 4: Now, that's that's.
Speaker 5: A sign of reading universally across humanity. You could go
into the jungle of New Guinea and meet with somebody
who's had no contact with the outside world at all,
and you could do that and they'd understand it, they'd
understand what that meant. But we're dealing with something more
exotic than just such someone in a jungle in New Guinea.
Speaker 3: How do we know that?
Speaker 5: That might not mean we're coming for your Grammys.
Speaker 4: It's it's I think, like Neil said, you know, these
are humanoids we're dealing with almost exclusively. If you go
through the vast literature on this subject, there are only
a very very few, statistically insignificant number of cases that
are non humanoid sort of blave like beings or something
that's not bipeople with a head, arms and so forth.
And they are doing exactly that sort of thing, making
gestures to people, and people who have direct communication with
these guys will often get a message somewhere along the
lines of you share a common heritage, we share an
I'm an ancestry, we are you, you are us, we
are one. The fact that some of these guys actually
do look pretty much exactly like us, I think raises
really it's serious implications. What is our relationship to them?
Clearly much closer than we might think so, and would
be that they are We're probably very much related to
these guys.
Speaker 5: They've been visited this clearly, this is an interaction which
is perennial in the human experience. I mean, you can
go cree trade back to prehistoric times. Basically, it didn't
begin with Betty and Barney Hill or with Kenneth Arnold.
It's much much older than that. It's and indeed, the
idea of panspermia and the idea that the universe itself
has a biosphere with which the Earth is just one part,
rather than the Earth being this kind of oasis in
this huge cosmic desert, makes much more sense to me,
in which case we would expect some kind of genetic
link because that the DNA therefore would not be confined
to this Earth, and therefore, and also we may be
dealing with creatures that may have grow developed in a
similar habitat to ourselves. Astronomers, even even like very mainstream astronomers,
are discovering Earth like planets if they have an environment
which is similar to our own. And maybe there's a
parallel evolution at work here. And there's this show.
Speaker 4: I agree. I mean, you talk about SETI looking outwards.
For some it is actually happening right next to them.
I'm gone. Sorry, present scientists are refusing to even ignore
the evidence. And if you cannot open your mind enough
to look at the evidence before making a decision about it,
what kind of a scientist are you? Yeah, and Fashers,
they're stuck thousands of thousands of human raid reports. This
means something that we have to figure out.
Speaker 5: I don't want to do a great big plug right,
But I'm actually I'm speaking of the Birmingham UFO group
next the first Thursday next month, and I'm doing a
talk on this very subject. So it's in March. Yeah,
whenever this goes to air. But I mean, they may
have God may have already passed. But I'll try and
video it but you are literally having this conundrum between
setti and upology. I'm going to cover this in great
detail because it is extraordinary and.
Speaker 2: The mainstream scientists can't answer the fact that why humans
the only speci is not adapted to this planet, or
animals don't wear clothes unless humans put clothes on animals.
But we cannot survive outside. We'll get hyperthermia and die.
We're hairless monkeys basically, So you know, where do we
really come from? Where do we Where does our DNA
genetics really come from? Are we attest to? You know,
species created by another species?
Speaker 4: There's a book by Las Silver cult humans are not
from Earth checking out It makes some of these interesting points.
Speaker 5: If we're related, if we're related to if we're descended
from the eighth family, Why is our skin more like
a pig's skin? Things like that, Why do we have
like why why does our nose point downwards? Why do
we have why do why are we not our boreal?
Why are we the why do we have flat? We
walk up right?
Speaker 2: I mean, apparently our sleep pattern is more akin to
being in tune with Mars than it is with our
own moon.
Speaker 4: That's interesting, isn't it?
Speaker 5: Because Mars in the distant past did have a worm.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I know several contactes were basically told that
in the far far far past did inhabit Marence Dolly
Saffron whole book about symmetry was told that by the
epties and I have other cases same thing. That definitely
freaks you wonder.
Speaker 2: Yeah, from what I understand, and this is this is
my kind of like understanding of it, that humans originally
started off on Mars for whatever reason, whether it was
climate or whether it was war, I don't know, but
they had to get out of it there and the
next nearest planet to head to that was viable with
Earth who knows.
Speaker 5: Certainly if Mars, I mean, this is why people keep
finding I mean the in the in the visual record
captured by NASA and other agencies, what strange structures objects
on Mars.
Speaker 4: It looks like, well you artificial.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the square characters that recently, yeah.
Speaker 3: That's been around for years. I remember seeing in a
book about fifteen years and.
Speaker 5: If if there was a different environment in the distant
past in Mars, an intelligent animal species may well have
evolved capable of constructing objects something but obviously went badly
wrong with the Martian environment. As you just said, we
had to get out.
Speaker 4: And there's no going back either. It's no metal. Sorry, mask,
I don't think we're going to make it there and survive.
Speaker 5: Because yeah, it's you know, but it's it's annoying that
the Mastream academics so reject this theory. They don't they
won't even look at it. They call people at Richard
Holding crazy and they just won't even they won't even discussing.
Speaker 3: It's it's crazy, I think. And they can actually go
to Mars and set up her habitual zones and things
like that under all that intense radiation.
Speaker 2: It's a very simil weapmons. Yeah, three years in space,
I think.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, if there's an emergency, how they're going to
get back. They're going to need food. Then they're going
to need oxygen, you know. I mean, can you imagine
the amount of food needed for a three year journey,
let alone spending the rest of your life on Mars.
But when you get there, what was that that film?
I think that Matt Damon. Yeah, basically, when you get there,
there's nothing nothing. The only way you're going to survive
is what you bring with you. And I'm sorry, I
do not trust current human technology with what we've got
is just unless we send Keirstarma. If a one way
ticket for him would be fantastic.
Speaker 5: And we'd a crowd, I'd be willing to crowd run down.
Do you know what our colleague, Jerald what would vehemently
disagree with us on this. But I mean that's he's
not here to he's not here to talk about it.
Speaker 2: Bit that he thinks it's possible.
Speaker 4: The reasinks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's very keen on the eager of a mission
to Mars and indeed Martian colonies and stuff, you know.
Speaker 4: But I'll look it up. But the no magnetic field,
it's not going to work.
Speaker 5: That I want to ask a bit more because Preston
brought this up about the hearings. No, I've taken a
great I've been following the hearings UFO hearings in the
United States very closely. There have been several equivalents in
Brazil and maybe I've done if there's them in any
other countries, but to me, there's it's it is encouraging,
like you said earlier, and I don't want to put
a dampler on it. But from what I've seen so far,
all we've basically seen is we've seen the the legislature
of a nation, that is the official government basically asking
or petitioning or just picking the brains of various witnesses.
And you know about something that lies within what I
call what Richard Dolin calls the national security stage or
the breakaway civilization. People who have who have knowledge about
what's going on behind that, behind that iron curtain. But
the legislature, the legislature has no real authority over what
goes on in there. So as much as I I'm
glad to see President Trump sign an executive order to
declaify the JFK files, and as Chuck Schumer says, now
do UFOs. But and it's clearly that there's the intent
there within the executive of this of this new administration.
But how lightly is it to be successful? Do you
think how much authority does Trump or Nancy Mace or
Tim Burchett or any of these people really have over
this when you consider that, you know, Matt Gates, was
it Matt Gates and Anapauline and Luna they were turned
away from a military base. They were told you can't
come in here, and it says, don't tell us that
we are your your governments. You can't keep us out
of here, and they say, yes, we can.
Speaker 4: Well that's the look that question. I don't know that
our president is the one who is running the country naturally,
or the legislation are just legislative brand or the judicial
branch or any of them. Because if you trade the
cover up, who's the folks behind it? It's the highest
levels of the military, non elected officials, and even beyond that,
because you can't give a freedom of information request to
a private corporation.
Speaker 5: Yeahs, nursery industrial complex.
Speaker 4: Yeah, are the folks behind the cover up? One percenters
to some degree, corporations, energy industry, pharmaceutical industry, banking and
insurance industries. I think these are the ones probably who
have some influence on all of this. Absolutely, it's the
intelligence agencies Kantagon, the CIA, the FBI, the NSA so
forth are in the know who are controlling this, but
I think are probably being used by the ultra rich,
the cabal, so to speak. For lack of a better word.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, as far as the banking
industry goes, I mean, we've all heard this phrase, you know,
billions ode you know countries, you know UK for instance,
twenty two billion pound black hole debt, but nobody ever
asks it, certainly in the mainstream who is the money
owed too? When we talk about countries in debt and
we talk about these the huge trillion or quadrillion you
know debts, who is the ode too? And people say, oh,
I am f the international monecy fund, Well who owns that?
Then you know that nobody asks, well, who owns that?
And when you get back to it exactly you said, Preston,
what we're talking about is this this cabal, this elite
group of banking families running the whole show.
Speaker 5: After David Rothcoff wrote a book called Superclass, which is
a very interesting the instance you read, because it talks
about that there is literally.
Speaker 4: A kind of breakaway civilization.
Speaker 5: He puts it in the world of finance and industry
things like that, but of course it involves technology and
false study of secret science and things like this.
Speaker 3: Which he doesn't bring up in his book.
Speaker 4: But it's still it's still relevant, I think.
Speaker 5: But I don't want to sound defeatist here because I
don't believe it's a lost cause.
Speaker 4: And clearly there is a will.
Speaker 5: Now, I mean there's more of a will within the
executive and legislature in the United States to address this
point that they ever had I've ever seen before.
Speaker 4: I mean, the legislative branch does have the authority to
oversighte spending in the intelligent agencies.
Speaker 5: They're exerting their muscles in a way that past administrations didn't.
And I'm not defeatist about this, but it is people
sometimes have this idea that the president, they call the
President the United States, the.
Speaker 4: Most powerful man in the world. Actually he's not.
Speaker 5: His power is very limited, not just by the US
Constitution itself, but also by this reality that you've just
you and Andy and Preston have just described. But I mean, I,
as I said, I'm not a pessimist here. I do
believe things come out with left field and where there's
a will, as a Wayne felt and now final, at
least we have a will.
Speaker 4: I'd like I was sitting ahead of State to just say,
flat up, you are real. We've been visited. That hasn't
happened yet.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we found one. We've had one say that not real.
That is well, we found one to say he doesn't know.
We' just Bill Clinton we He talked about Ryan from
Belfast to me and he asked me, is there in
nineteen forty seven did the Aliens crash?
Speaker 4: It was well, I don't know, and I want them.
Speaker 3: To tell me.
Speaker 2: Well, although there was that Canadian Air Force guy who
basically said that they are real, I forgot their support.
Speaker 4: Now this she was hard at that time. I spoke
to Berkeley face a great ay up too long, very
passed on. I have to give kudos to him. That
took a lot of courage to put your reputation on
the line. Was refired. He was it.
Speaker 3: He was a defense minute in the sixties, I think,
and I was yeah, something that we heard about him,
he was like ninety seven.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what was done by him?
Speaker 5: He really a man of huge energy because at the
age of ninety five he started doing tours and he
was writing. He's writing a book. I don't know if
he managed to finish it, but you know what, Oh good,
hopefully we met you, Hopefully we see it published. But
what's really weird Presson is that when he died, there
were obituaries that written about him, including one which I wrote.
But the Canadian media that the mainstream media in Canada
was completely silent, which is weird considering this guy is
he's one of the most senior statesmen in the entire country.
He was the longest served members of the of the
King's Council, which is the most which is the senior
house of the of the Canadian Parliament. He was actually
the longest sitting member of the King's Council. Yet there
was no obituary to him in the mainstream Canadian media
at all. How weird it was he died silently and
forgotten by everyone.
Speaker 4: Silence speech, Yeah, since the things said sometimes speaks louder
than the words as I very spicious about how Congress
says yet to interview a contactee or talk about humanoids
really at all, that people are having direct contact. We'll
talk about sightings, yeah, talk about even crash retrievals. And
we called extra traadrial intelligence, no non human intelligence. All
these eupimisms driving me absolutely crazy. UAP is a new one.
Why you know, how has that changed the game at all?
Speaker 5: Well, the reason that the term UAP is actually dates
back to the Condine Report, which was a British investigation
in the nineteen eighties. But the reason it's been adopted
and ironically is for for the very same reason that
Robertson panel in nineteen fifty two adopted the term UFO
because they didn't want it. They didn't want to sound
crazy by saying flying saucer. Unfortunately, we crazies culturally appropriated UFO.
So now they have to come up with something new,
and they chose UAP that they're events,