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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network and now

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it's time for the Paranormal Peep Show.

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Speaker 2: Hi folks, you're listening to the Paranormal Peep Show with

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myself Nie Chaplain a new award. Some of you might

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be watching as well. Neil, How's things fine?

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for asking. I'm actually just getting

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over cold. I'm actually a lot finer than what was

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about a wish, which has been pretty bad. But I've

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just done a talk for Dorset Earth Mysteries and I

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did a talk called Hominids and Humanoids, which is the

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first time I gave that talking out in so it

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was a prototype kind of talk, seeing how to go.

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So I was talking about basically sasquatch Bigfoot, that type

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of thing covered a lot on the patty in happening

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in northern California in nineteen sixty seven, and spoke about

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the Minnesota ice ma'am, which was an alleged shot Bigfoot

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by this guy that used to take it around county

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fairs and things in a freezer. And then in part

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two of the talk, I went on to talk about

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humanoids humanoid encounters, and this is why our guest is

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a very help person in that respect because he's got

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lots of encounters with humanoids in his.

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Speaker 2: Would you classify as a humanoid?

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Speaker 3: Well, generally, my understanding of it is something that's got

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two arms, two legs, and a head. But whatever is

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in between is anybody's guests, you know, where he's got

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three eyes, two males, no mouth, one air or anything

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like that.

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Speaker 2: So technically a gray could be a humanoid.

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Speaker 3: Gray could be humanoid. That's right, it would fit that

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kind of definition. But you can go through the whole thing.

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And so what I was doing in the second part

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of my talk was covering variations of humanoid encounters, and

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that likely the lady that had the ufone counter in

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Stafford Sheer Jesse Rosen Schustenburg, Risdenburg. Thank you, Ben, Ben

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he is joining us as well. Ben Emlyn Jones, Thanks

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for joining us.

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Speaker 4: Ben.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, Ben's my backup when my mind goes blank.

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Speaker 5: It's it's a very very incredible case there. Yeah, it's

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funny you mention that I didn't know you were going

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to do that talk. Neil Funnilyough. I've just literally written

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an article about the Minnesota Iceman on a pan my voice,

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which is my news blog. Fascinating case because literally, I

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mean the display began I think of the late sixties,

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and then Bernald Hoveman's and Ivan T. Sanderson did an

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article about it, and it's actually gained some publicity. And

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the next thing you know, government officials came along and

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confiscated the body and they said they needed to examine

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it for a few days. When it came back, it

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was just a latex similarly to the original body.

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Speaker 4: And why would I mean, we don't talk about this tonight.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure we don't have time, but you know, this

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idea of concealment of evidence.

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Speaker 4: Is a staple of uthology.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but why would want not want us to

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know that Bigfoot exists?

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Speaker 2: Is the clastic nothing to see here, folks?

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think Lloyd Pie, the guy that was the star

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Child's guy star Child's gone, I don't know what you

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call him, protagonist keeper at the time, he was very

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much into the Bigfoot as well. I mean, it's a

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lot of the information I got for that talk came

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from his books. Everything you know is wrong. He died

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in twenty thirteen, but he said he actually saw the

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Minnesota icemanan as a kid when Frank Hanson the original

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owner or keeper of it, should I say, because the

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actual owner was supposedly a Hollywood millionaire and James Stewart

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was reputed to be the guy that actually physically owned it,

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supposedly Jim Well, yeah, I mean Bob Ruben.

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Speaker 4: That's the rumor.

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Speaker 3: Rumor Control has it that James Stewart was the guy

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that financed it in some way. But Frank Hanson said

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he wasn't the owner. He was the keeper. Although you know,

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depends on which story you read, but yeah, Lloyd Pie

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basically said that he saw it in a carnival or

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in a shopping mall or something like that, in a freezer,

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and he said, you know, you paid your money, you

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went in and you looked right up closed and you

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could see blood leaking from wound's eyes popped out. You

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could see real fur frozen in the eyes that was there.

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at one point. You know, there's no way that was faked.

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one of the things they noticed is that the fur

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on it in certain parts was if you think of

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like a stripee cat's tail was striped, so you'd get

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sort of a patterning on some of the fur. Now,

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if you're going to fake that, that would be a

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really difficult thing to fake striped fur on a creature

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and putting all the individual hairs in with a needle

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into some sort of wax body or something like that,

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and then repeat that process, and you've got thousands of

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hairs in one area, and then you go to the

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next air, which is going to be a dark foot,

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and then back to the light of varion.

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Speaker 2: Did anyone ever take a photo of the so called

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alleged real one?

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, there happen, photographs and sketches made. What happened

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the initial guys that investigated it over a three day

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period when it was being put in for the winter

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basically in a cold storage unit, they were leaning over

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the glass to try and get a closer look, and

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as he leaned over the glass, the glass clapped slightly

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under and cracked. They could smell rotten flesh coming through

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the glass, which proved to them that it was a

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corpse or something.

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Speaker 2: You know, where can people find the video for your

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talk meal?

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Speaker 3: I haven't actually videoed it yet I did the presentation, Okay,

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I will probably be doing a presentation of it maybe

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in June, and our video it again, and this it'd

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be a second presentation of it, so it'd be a

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bit more refined, I suppose, a bit more practiced. But

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once once that video I'll certainly uploaded to YouTube by

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the end of June, i'd like to think, so, yeah, certainly,

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I'll let you know once that's done. It's really really

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interesting case is the Minnesota Iceman. Right, I think it's

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time we bring our guest on. So thank you for

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waiting in the wings. We'd like to welcome once more

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to the Paranormal Peep Show Preston Dennit join us from California.

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Hello Preston, welcome once again to the Paranormal Peep.

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Speaker 4: Show in your Thanks for having you on odan.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us. So how are you keeping?

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First of all, President, did you have a good holiday

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Christmas and everything?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, now, beha. Theos are always fun. It's always

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nice one that over too.

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Speaker 3: Now, we've been looking lots of things stateside, with lots

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of things like we've been here, I mean, we've had

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him in the UK. But then they seem to hot

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up over the US as well, with all these drones

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flying around the skies and things. And I know that

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we have drones appearing here in US bases. Prior to Christmas,

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they were lots of drones mysteriously appearing in the UK

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and at UK airports, and then suddenly they started to

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appear in the United States as well.

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Speaker 4: So we heard only recently.

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Speaker 3: The claim is that it was the Aviation Authority was

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I don't know, it gave the approval of these drones

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to be flowing apparently, even though it was quiet for

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the whole time and never said a bicky bird. And

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then suddenly as soon as Trump gets in, there's an announcement, Oh, yes,

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the drones. The Aviation Authority or Civil Aviation Authority, they

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approved them and they're just for research purposes or something.

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I mean, what's your opinion of that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, sure certainly would have been nice if they

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had broken up a little bit sooner, which is suspicious

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to me. But having studied all the reports, I honestly,

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you know, having talked to people who I think are

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in a position to know the truth, people like James

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Goodall and aviation historian Dolly Saffron, who is connected to

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the Department of Defense and other people, I think their

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covert military ops exclusively. And I know people are describing

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all kinds of strange movements and orbs and so forth.

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Speaker 2: Up, would you suspect the purpose is or.

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Speaker 4: Was probably a couple of things here. Perhaps it is,

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you know, searching for nuclear material, which was certainly one

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reason raised. But I'm it feels kind of propaganda ished

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because here we have all these disclosure meetings going on,

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and this is when this comes up, all these drones,

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and the mediac goes absolutely crazy, and it was a

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frenzy covering this, which is also unusual. The media rarely

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touches UFO reports, so that also seemed a little bit

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odd to me, only flying around at night, which is

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really not quite how UFOs generally behave. In a wave

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of sightings, the beginning is yeah, and that's I think,

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honestly what this might be a sort of dry run,

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a little practice false why the invasion that ben you

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need to say something?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the year anyone who's been following the whole drone situation,

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the announcement the other day by Christine Lever, is it

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Caroline Lever what's her name, the press for secretary, the

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announcement that she the very very brief announcement that she issued,

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which was Caroline leave It. Yes, a very brief announcement

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that she meeted, just saying an updates on the New

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Jersey drones after a search and study. The drones are

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flying over New Jersey and large numbers were authorized to

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be flowing by the FAA for a search and other

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reasons now and some of them are hobbyists as well. Well,

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no doubt there are some hobbyists because everyone was doing

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a copycat thing. But the fact of the matter is

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that these were not issued. These were not authorized by

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the Federal Aviation Administration at all. We know that because

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because journalists were writing to them and asking them about it.

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massive reaction from from various police forces, and there was

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anti drone technic anti drome weapons deployed to various bases

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and other facilities such as nuclear weapons sorry, nuclear power

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stations and things like this, very sensitive areas. These anti

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drome weapons didn't seem to work incidentally when they were

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when if indeed they were deployed, and even President Trump

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himself actually canceled the trip to the Bedminster, New Jersey

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because of advice from his security team.

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Speaker 4: And then they come out with this.

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Speaker 5: This is this is baffling, it's confusing, it's disappointing considering

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that this is the guy who signed the executive order

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to release the JFK files or at least start the

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Speaker 4: So something else is going on here.

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Speaker 5: Either this is some kind of posturing at whoever's keeping

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this secret, or there's more. There's something that they're paving

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the ground for something else. And it could be like

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you said, Andy and Preston mentioned Project Bluebean. Now, I

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wouldn't put it past the those driving towards greater authoritarianism

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in this world, the in order to in order to

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justify some kind of state of emergency. They would say, well,

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Aliens are real. We've been lying to you. Sorry about this,

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but they're nasty aliens and we need we need to

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come together as one. As Ronald Reagan said, you know,

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put our differences aside. We face from a threat beyond

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this earth, so temporary of course, and then the power

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we've taken from the people. We will return to the people,

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we promise you. So I want to put a person

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to try something like that if they were desperate. The

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last card cal Rosen called, didn't she Yeah, last.

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Speaker 2: It went what was it?

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Speaker 4: It went?

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Speaker 2: Rogue states, then terrorist organizations. Then asteroid has pupped up recently. Yeah,

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the paper is all about this asteroid. And now we've

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got Brian Cox kind of like for those who don't

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know in America, he's kind of like quite a famous

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BBC presenter, astronomer, very science. He's the go to science

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guy for anything space, basically mainstream. And he's talking about

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you know, the one in forty three chants something like

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that about Earth being struck by an asteroid? Where's all

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this suddenly coming from? And as you say, Ben, the

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last card is the alien card. But it feels like

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they're laying these cards really really quickly, aren't they. Because

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they've got the COVID card, and now they've got the

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asteroid card, and now they've got the you know, the

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possible blue Beam card. It's like, why, why is it

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that all of these things are happening in the past,

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you know, five years or so.

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Speaker 5: It's it's it's that seemed very carefully controlled this whole process.

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Speaker 4: Very intentional. FAA. I don't trust them when it comes

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to the UFO subject. I certainly don't trust our military

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or intelligence agencies. They always lie when it comes to

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the UFOs every several times.

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't know, well question, I mean, I know

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there's several pilots who've been who've actually reported these things,

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both for military and a civil who have suffered and

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suffered professionally considerably when they're making UFO And I mean,

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I think this taboo is lifting somewhat, that's you know,

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especially with the Callahan's speech and the Washington, d C.

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Press conference. But still it's a lot of I'm sure

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a lot of pilots attempted just to keep their mouths shut.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd still say that's the rule more than the exception.

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So times are changing. I mean, these recent congressional hearings

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that don't call disclosure by any means, I think really

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the best result from them has been the fact that

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many new people are being brought into the field just

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in the subject of skyrocketing. It is going mainstream. It's

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adding legitimacy to it that it's never enjoyed before.

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Speaker 2: Which is all good news.

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Speaker 4: I think it steps towards disclosure. Out in deal our

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government admits to the truth of Roswell say, or the

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Capital flyover, or the incident at Almstrom Air Force Base

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in nineteen sixty seven from Montana where they set down

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our nuclear missiles. Get to the truth of that, and

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then we can talk. You know the restaurant.

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Speaker 2: If guys come across you guys come across the really

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weird one a supposed video about you know, this flight

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that went missing, flight M three seventy. Have you come

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across the video where allegedly there's three or flying around

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it and then the plane just disappears?

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Speaker 5: That does Ashton Forbes, who's been studying that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Just come my radar part from the pume recently. What's

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your guys thoughts that? Because I've seen the videos and

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I don't know. The problem We've got is that AI

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is so sophisticated. It could we could be looking at AI.

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And this applies to everything Bigfoot, ghosts UFOs him in

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the whole lot. There are elements that could be AI.

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Speaker 3: Who was film in the camera then to capture the

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m MHI.

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Speaker 5: Suit I could Ashton talks I can answer that, Ashton.

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So Ashton mentioned since there are two films, and there

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are two videos, ones from a your space basing for

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red satellite and another is from a drone, and so

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although he says, but as you said, Andy, you can

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never Unfortunately a visual evidence does no longer carriage the

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weight that it used to do because what can't be

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fake these days? And indeed there's many people claiming these

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were fate. It was what long ago twenty fourteen technically

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would have been possible. Although ash and disputes this, and

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there's there's this back and forth between him and other people.

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I'm ash is quite good at defending his position that

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I'm not an expert in this field. But it's fascinating, cursion.

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Speaker 2: What genuine experiences or contact is going to do If

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the say there's a rare occasion where they see a

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physical anomaly, they see a UFO, they see you know,

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a gray or Nordic or whatever, and they take a

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photo of it and they release it and then immediately

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everyone says it's AI. I mean, what can be done

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in that situation if it's a genuine pot to How

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are we ever going to how are we ever going

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to know.

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Speaker 3: You put that lots of videos president of people having

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humanoid encounters, and there was one of the guy that

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I think he was in Spain and he was the

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doctor and he was looking for rock, so I think

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he wanted to study a bit of geology on his

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weekend off and I think he was heading around past

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Gibraltar when he saw this what he initially thought was

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a monkey running across in front of him when he

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was on his motorbike, and he kept his arms flat

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and it jumped into a hedge, and the guy happened

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to have his camera with him and he took a

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photograph of the alleged ufo, which was like a green shaped,

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well green ufo with kind of wings on it, and

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it had like this is the weird thing. It had

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like a shutter door if you imagine like a I

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don't know a store in the UK and any high

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street and when they bring down the shutters at night

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to lock up. It had a door like that, like

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a slatted kind of shutter thing, which I thought was

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a really weird thing to have on a flying saucer.

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But this was taking about nineteen sixty something, sixty eight

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sixty seven on his slide film. I was a bit

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suspicious of that photograph, wondering in myself if it was

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a model. But it's a shame he didn't get a

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picture of the creature that supposedly led him to it.

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But I mean, one of the things I do find

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all these accounts really interesting, these people having these accounts.

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I did my talk recently, why don't people take photographs?

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Everyone's got a cell phone in their pocket these days.

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Why don't people just take a photograph of their UFO

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or the alien being whatever. But my answer to that

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was is that initially they're so gobsmacked by the experience

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that they don't actually come to their senses and think

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rational stuff. Oh, I better take a picture. Sometimes some

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people do, but other times they're just caught like a

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deer in the headlights.

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Speaker 4: What do you think to that pression, Well, I think

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you hit the nail on the head there. I personally

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had a very close up UPO siding with a camera

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around my neck and it could not look away. I

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really did not even think of it. There are a

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number of cases out there with photographic evidence, so people

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have attempted to take photographs and they don't come out knowing.

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eighties early nineteen nineties. Some people tried to take photographs

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and some did come out, but most did not. I

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know several cases like this. There was one case that

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I investigated personally in Catalina Island. This is off the

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coast of southern California. Oh there thinking eighty six thereabouts

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eighty four. There were eleven people there, and four of

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them had cameras. There were photographers, more of them actually,

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but not one of their cameras would actually work. Oh

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my god, so there was something else going on. There

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very few photographic cases of euts that I do find

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very intriguing, particularly the one of Jeff Greenhaw, who is

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a police officer called doing you othsiding by another lady

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saw this metallic figure, Oh yeah, leaping down the road.

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He managed to capture forror A photographed. This wasn't Arkansas.

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Speaker 5: I know that one I asked, can ask questions when

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you were in this situation? This is just something that's

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never happened to me. I mean, I know people like yourself,

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I've known this as a lady I know very well

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who's had a close, very close encounter with a large object.

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Do you do you think this was something that the

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object is because of the influence of the object you

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didn't seek.

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Speaker 4: To take a photogrom of.

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Speaker 5: Or is you think it's just a natural human reaction

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when confronted with something out of this world? Or is

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there another explanation that's not understudible for me as a.

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Speaker 4: Question, I really don't think it was an outside inflaight,

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because it was just such a surprise, even though I'd

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actually gone there, you know, expecting to see the UFO,

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because I was being brought there by a contact he

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essentially was setting this up. But I do know cases.

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passenger seat and kept reaching for it, but felt like

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he was being influenced not to pick it up and

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tried several times. Another case in it was Italy involving

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a gentleman and a whole bunch of children, and two

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of them had crept off into the forest just to

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admire the scenery. Saw humanoid quite close up, and he

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tried to pick up his camera, but it became he says,

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unbelievably heavy, did not move it. His arms felt slightly paralyzed.

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That is, I think, is another case where they are

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influencing a person.

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Speaker 5: Perhaps, Yeah, it's just so I was going to say

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that this is this is just this is essentially the

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phenomenon itself is actually evading, evading just evidence capture, cameras

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try off and but the fact that I stop cameter

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take and stop.

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Speaker 4: Cameras from working, and I know they do.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes some people suddenly find that their mobile fern and

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batteries gone flat or something.

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Speaker 2: It's just gone flat.

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Speaker 4: I say, my favorite footage ever is the coomberg As

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Turkey footage. That's clearly a display. Clearly they wanted to

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be filmed.

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Speaker 5: But that sounds tanradictory, doesn't it. I mean it sounds

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I say, it sounds contradictory. But we may well be dealing,

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of course, with many different species who have many different

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agendas on.

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Speaker 2: A kind of like off on a slight tangent from that, Ben,

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it's not just species, it's it's kind of like sections

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within the within. I'm going to use the term woo woo.

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So there's cross correlations between the u FI world and

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the ghost world, for instance, So when people are out

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doing ghost hunts, whatever ghosts might be. Sometimes their equipment fail,

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sometimes their batteries get drained. Sometimes they take photos that

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don't come out, and interestingly, sometimes there's this phenomena where

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they see the ghosts and even if they've got a

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camera again, they don't think to take a photo of

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the ghost. And the influence thing is interesting as well,

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because you probably aware there's there's some kind of like

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haunted roads where there's a lot of accidents and some

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people report having feelings of being influenced, like I've I've

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felt the compulsion to drive into a ditch. I don't

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know if you've come across that, but I've been viewing

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some videos recently about different stories and you know, things

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of a negative nature, let's say, where there's kind of

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like influences, whether it's the demonic or kind of negative. Again,

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have you guys come across kind of cross correlations between

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the UFO world and the ghost world that in that sense,

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We'll let Preston go first.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there are some really interesting harmonalogies, certainly, but we're

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bleed Brughs as well. Not unusual for a person to

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have an intense onboard encounter and then come back and

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have culture geist type activity.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, this is interesting, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I did the other way once. I interviewed these

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two ladies who had a very intense what I think

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was a demonic counting part Van Nuys, California, and how

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the UFO sitting very close up immediately following, which they

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feel very much was connected in some way part of

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the same.

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Speaker 2: Are they the same thing? I mean, this is what

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we really need to ask these these energies. Are they

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or at least are they coming from the same dimension

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or a similar dimension or using some kind of portal

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that are the same. So, for instance, if somebody opens

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a paranormal type ghost type portal, are there aliens thinking

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oh we can use that. All the other way around

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just be seeing UFOs and you know, some kind of

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porter's open with that, some kind of poltergeisto demonic entity thinks,

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oh we can use that. I wonder what's really going

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on with that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't have any evidence of that. I'm of

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the school of thought that these are separate.

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Speaker 2: Type of thing phenomena.

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Speaker 4: I think a bigfoot is a big foot, even though

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there are cases where you know UFOs and big foot

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are seen at the same time. Yeah, I've heard fresh guys,

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Little six series and stuff. I don't think those are

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the same thing as ets. I know there are researchers

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who conflate this all together. It's a phenomena that wears

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different masks and manifesting according to your belief system. I

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don't find that persuasive for a number of reasons. But yeah,

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really interesting.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to press you on that, actually, preston what

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are the reasons, because I want to delve into this

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a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Well. When it comes to say someone has a very

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intense onboard experience like I mentioned, comes back, it's almost

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to the rule rather than the exception, that they'll experience

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a wide variety of paranormal event. And I really dug

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deep into this because it's very common someone will start

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having out about experiences perhaps or precognition, or have a

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poultrygeist outbreak in their home. I think, what's going on here.

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They'll experience mediumship or psychic greeting healings. Their psychic abilities

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have been to some extent, I think ignited, woken up,

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strengthened as a result of their encounter. This does appear

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to be one of the et agendas, for lack of

476
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,000
a better word, missions goals, is to wake us up

477
00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:46,759
to our own abilities. Urns up a lot. I mean,

478
00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:51,279
I interviewed one lady out an encounter in aunt. We're

479
00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:55,599
near Washington, in her apartment with a little silver suited

480
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,480
entity to work that morning, and first blew out her

481
00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:04,160
computer and copier machine than the facts machine. That would

482
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,880
be a coincidence. Her bioelectric field was somehow affecting all

483
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,480
these instruments. I say that because this turns up over

484
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:16,720
and over contact. It's blowing out watches and light bulbs

485
00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:20,559
and fuzzing up TVs and radios. So I think what

486
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,720
we're looking here, what we're looking at here is that

487
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,400
having contact and this can come from a near death

488
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,160
experience even or seeing it though so it wakes you

489
00:27:31,319 --> 00:27:35,759
up to some degree, can sort of open the doorway

490
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,920
for other activity I could see.

491
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,559
Speaker 2: To you, if I'm understanding, I correct your press, and

492
00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:44,880
you're saying that the phenomena are set for but what

493
00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:48,559
unifies them is that the person experiencing them has opened

494
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:52,480
themselves up to some gateway where this can is possible

495
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:53,079
in their life.

496
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 4: I think it's ultimately about our own consciousness, it's an

497
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:03,200
external portal or anything like that. This is my assessment

498
00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:06,440
because this is a really puzzling aspect. You know, a

499
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,519
lot of researchers absolutely disregard but very nuts and bolts

500
00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:14,200
don't want to talk about spiritual areonormal aspects of this,

501
00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:17,480
which I think is a mistake because they are clearly connected. Yeah.

502
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the things that intrigues me in a

503
00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:27,440
lot of the accounts, and we can sort of quote

504
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,200
a few cases, like there's thefar A Gill case where

505
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,559
in Papa New Guinea I think it was in nineteen

506
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:39,079
fifty was it fifty three something like that, thinking late fifties,

507
00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:44,839
I think lately. And yeah, in this like a church

508
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,160
off off the coast of Papa New Guinea, they saw

509
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,440
this flyings also for about three days running and kept appearing.

510
00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:53,440
But they noticed there's people coming out on the surface

511
00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:57,799
of this ufo. They appear to be working on it

512
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,960
in some way, you know, maintain it or checking it

513
00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:03,440
or repairing it and things like that. And Father Girl

514
00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:08,880
and his friends basically waved the people the beings on board,

515
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,920
and they would wave back, and I think they're trying

516
00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:14,559
to encourage them to land because the landing legs were up,

517
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:16,640
but it never actually landed, accoring to.

518
00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 4: The records.

519
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: But in a lot of cases people have encountered UFOs

520
00:29:24,039 --> 00:29:27,759
and there's always seem to be people, beings, aliens, etis

521
00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:31,359
whatever that are either walking around the UFO or repairing

522
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,200
one end of it, or you know, like maintaining it

523
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:37,519
in some way. And I'm thinking, now, if we got

524
00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:41,279
our own aircraft, for instance, are landing, you know, they

525
00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:44,599
take off, do a mission, they land, or they have

526
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,720
to make an own landing or something, then you don't

527
00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:50,200
see the pilots getting out walking around trying to repair

528
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,599
their own craft. You know, it's normally done by engineers

529
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,079
on the ground or something. You know.

530
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,359
Speaker 5: I just find that that.

531
00:29:56,759 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 3: Bizarre that these these people are traveling machines, but they

532
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,799
seem to be unreliable that they've got to repair them

533
00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:05,720
all the time, but they always have to repair them

534
00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:08,200
in front of witnesses. Now, I think that's a bit

535
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:10,440
of a correlation of something going on there. And my

536
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,480
own theory is that they want to be seen, these beings,

537
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,039
so they're standing outside the craft, but they don't want

538
00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:21,119
to appear to be threatening to whoever's going to observe them.

539
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,400
So if they can appear to be offhandish, Oh, we're

540
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,079
not really interested in you. We've got things to do here.

541
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,680
We're going to fiddle with our machinery, but you can

542
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:33,720
watch us do it type of thing. Therefore, we're posing

543
00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:36,839
no threat because we're not interested in you. Then we

544
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,640
might engage in conversation with you. Where are you from? Oh,

545
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,720
I'm from so and zone. Tomorrow I'm going to so

546
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:44,559
and so. As in the case of these phantom airships,

547
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:46,680
a lot of people encounter people doing that sort of thing.

548
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,480
I mean, what's your thoughts on that preson with people

549
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,519
supposedly repairing their craft.

550
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,039
Speaker 4: Now, I apparently looked into those tapes of cases. It's

551
00:30:57,119 --> 00:31:01,119
pretty rare category, and I think, but we're honestly have

552
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:06,279
to consider, is we're speculating here that they're repairing these craft.

553
00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:09,680
You don't know, so there could be a number of

554
00:31:09,799 --> 00:31:13,160
things going on here, whatever they're doing, I mean, until

555
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,240
we know, we don't know. But yeah, quite a few

556
00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:18,759
cases of them wandering around the top of their craft,

557
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:23,400
walking around it, fiddling with it. Absolutely, we see that

558
00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:28,160
a good number of cases where they ignore the witnesses completely.

559
00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:30,839
Others will they'll look right at you or walk up

560
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,200
towards you. Many many many cases where they come downland

561
00:31:36,039 --> 00:31:39,039
walk up to the witness, walk right back into the craft.

562
00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:42,160
It's odd. I mean, like, what is the purpose of

563
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:47,119
that other than to sort of announce their presence. Ultimately,

564
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,160
I've come to that conclusion that that is one of

565
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:55,400
the purposes that they're here, is simply announcing their presence.

566
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,000
I mean, I wrote a whole book bou Yard UFB,

567
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,799
and they hover over scores. I got a hundred cases,

568
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:09,359
very low level sightings daytime, usually but landing in about

569
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:14,839
one third of the cases, usually pretty brief. They get out,

570
00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:18,160
walk around the craft, a little bit, might wave. Then

571
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,640
you can walk up to the students, communicate briefly, but

572
00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:24,279
right back into the after they go. So it does

573
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:27,359
appear that you teas are putting on what amounts to

574
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,720
a publicity campaign, very vigorous. Yeah.

575
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:33,519
Speaker 3: Because the other sort of analogy I give is is

576
00:32:33,599 --> 00:32:35,559
that fact is that, like, for instance, if someone moves

577
00:32:35,559 --> 00:32:38,079
to a neighborhood and they want to go and introduce

578
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,240
themselves to the neighbors. I mean, here in the UK,

579
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:42,960
always used to be oh our pop round to borrow

580
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:46,480
a bowl of sugar, and that way I'll introduce myself. Now,

581
00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:48,839
the purpose is that they don't really want a bowl

582
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,920
of sugar, but they take a bowl or something and

583
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,680
they're not going to go, oh, hello, I'm your new

584
00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:56,799
next door neighbor. My name is Mike. Is it possible

585
00:32:56,839 --> 00:32:58,119
I can borrow a bowl of sugar?

586
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 4: Please?

587
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,319
Speaker 3: I'm just out and an then just move in, and

588
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,960
then it engages in a conversation. And so you're turning

589
00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:07,359
up and you're not looking weird by standing there with nothing. Hello,

590
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,279
I'm your neighbor, and I'm you know, it looks like

591
00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:10,799
you've got some sort of purpose, and it looks like

592
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:12,839
you're friendly. It looks like you're going to be there temporarily,

593
00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:16,079
and so you engage in a conversation and it's a

594
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,160
non threat in social interaction, and you go away with

595
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,480
a bowl of sugar and you probably don't even need

596
00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:23,839
it at all. But that way, you've established a social

597
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,519
kind of etiquette of saying hello to your neighbor in

598
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:29,200
a very friendly way. And I wonder if these people

599
00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:32,880
repairing their craft and essentially doing the same thing they're

600
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,319
they're borrowing a bowl of sugar. It's sort of alien sense.

601
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:38,279
Speaker 4: It could?

602
00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 5: I mean, can I ask the preston actually, because I mean,

603
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:45,400
what's pretty clear is that these encounters you call them youts?

604
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:46,920
Is that ultra terrestrial?

605
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 4: Is that something I heard? The term? I'm not a

606
00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:50,759
fan of it.

607
00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 3: Don't kill you?

608
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 4: Sure? What does it? What do you mean by you tas?

609
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,599
That's not a term I generally use. Now I have

610
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,200
the same question, what exactly is that? To me? It's sure?

611
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,799
Speaker 3: And they came from another dimension rather than from planets

612
00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:05,400
and styles and.

613
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, but don't we all? I mean, isn't every entity

614
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:14,679
and existence interdimensional to some degree? And God had two

615
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,440
dimensional aspects? We come from dors the other side?

616
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,519
Speaker 5: What how you well, when that goes into the realm

617
00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:25,679
of I suppose psychical research, the soul, consciousness and things

618
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,079
like that. But yeah, I mean, that's that's interesting fast

619
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:29,679
an interesting point.

620
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 4: We give these people all kinds of different labels. We

621
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,920
love labels and names. It helps us to understand things.

622
00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:39,760
I think the extrapresstrial I'll call it a hypothesis, but

623
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,719
I think it's pretty well established because I mean, I

624
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,480
can possibly be alone in this universe that makes zero sense.

625
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,039
Evidence is overwhelming with all of these human eied reports

626
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:57,400
associated with metallic rafter portholes, leaving landing traces, all people

627
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,320
on board, giving them implants, healing them, and so on.

628
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:07,119
Certainly it's the explanation of extra crustrial, very neatly, far

629
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,079
better I think than any other explanation we have. People

630
00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:12,880
will come, oh, time travelers from the future. Well, I

631
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,960
looked into that, and I couldn't find enough cases, I think,

632
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:19,880
to really build a convincing argument that that's who they are.

633
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:26,400
That's givious here, Yeah, interdimensional again, that's I think. The

634
00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:29,679
one that really bothers me the most is the argument

635
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:34,039
that's put forth by Jacques Vallet and Don Keel and

636
00:35:35,519 --> 00:35:38,559
Jerome Clark, Lauren Coleman and others that this is a

637
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:42,719
phenomena that is wearing different masks and it's not etis

638
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:48,199
at all. But the argument to support this is honestly

639
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:54,880
very speculative and based on no actual evidence to support it.

640
00:35:55,519 --> 00:35:58,920
So you know, I know that there are commonality is

641
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,679
between little very folk and little people and all the

642
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,679
different cultures I look deeply into that. I think those

643
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,000
are actually real entities, which we would probably call more

644
00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:16,199
appropriately interdimensional or perhaps crypto terrestrials. That's another term I've heard.

645
00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 2: That's quite cool.

646
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,599
Speaker 5: But I mean, one thing's for certain. There's a lot

647
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:23,360
of variety. I mean, for example, they take many different forms,

648
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,400
and they seem to exhibit a wide variety of behavior.

649
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,519
I mean you just mentioned that sometimes they'll hide from you.

650
00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:31,239
Sometimes they'll come at the witness and I'll sty'll approach

651
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,880
the witness, and as Neil said, sometimes they'll even wave

652
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,639
to you, which is a very human gesture.

653
00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, verb hiseous pretty much balls under the

654
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,679
same umbrella as human behavior. I will say, it's quite

655
00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:45,840
a bit more benevolent we do for each other.

656
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,519
Speaker 5: Oh but yeah, the concept of when it comes to

657
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:53,039
stranger interaction, I mean it goes from like I say,

658
00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:56,679
benevolent other people. It appears that some people have very

659
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,880
unpleasant experiences with these beings. The majority appear, i would say,

660
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:06,159
appear to be almost like they're studying it. They're actually

661
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:10,119
examining us. That seems to be the providing the prevailing

662
00:37:11,159 --> 00:37:11,880
feely yet.

663
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 4: Off these things.

664
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,599
Speaker 5: There's people are subjected to various medical examinations. There's sometimes

665
00:37:18,039 --> 00:37:20,320
sometimes they'll like to literally sit you down and talk

666
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,760
to you something. Usually it's a telepathic communication, but I'll

667
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,760
sometimes sit you down and have long conversations with you,

668
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:28,519
and sometimes they issue warnings and their device and things

669
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:28,800
like that.

670
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 4: It's really set pattern when someone's taking on board. Yes,

671
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,639
the most common experience people will report as being physically examined.

672
00:37:38,159 --> 00:37:40,800
I will say healing is a big part of this

673
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,960
on board experience because I've got cases from pretty much

674
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:51,159
every major researcher out there, multiple cases of this. Yeah,

675
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,280
people are physically examined sometimes, and if you're not having

676
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,400
a complete negative reaction, this is why I think some

677
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,880
people say, oh, this was not a This was not

678
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,320
a good experience for me. It felt negative because it

679
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,960
was very very scary. For that.

680
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,159
Speaker 5: It wouldn't a wild animal that's captured by vet and

681
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,079
and then the vet will will treat them in some way.

682
00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:17,400
And for example, I saw a penguin being with a

683
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,880
piece of wire wrapped around it and the vet captured it,

684
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,559
and the penguin was obviously terrified because this is when

685
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:27,320
it in a net. But then the vet and then

686
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,440
cut the wire off the penguin and put some ointment

687
00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:34,119
and dressing on the wound around its neck and then

688
00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:36,280
let it go. And then the penguin hopped away very happily,

689
00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:40,920
obviously delighted, delighted that this horrible wire had been taken

690
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:41,559
from his body.

691
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 4: Many to penguin friends, exactly, it.

692
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,079
Speaker 5: Must have the experience must be like because we obviously

693
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,679
when you when we interact between species, there is this

694
00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:54,719
I mean, we can interact between species. You've got a dog.

695
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 4: Actually, you've got a dog in.

696
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 5: The background there you have a relationship with that dogs

697
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:03,679
on human animal and you can have very close relationships

698
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,079
with dogs and some of the pets as well.

699
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:10,159
Speaker 4: But they because you know, we have all kinds of

700
00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:12,639
life on this planet, and people are like, I wonder

701
00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:14,760
what would be like to interact with an eat, Well,

702
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,800
you should visit dolphins and have an interaction with them,

703
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:23,239
and very intelligent dogs as well. They realize that animals

704
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,119
are quite sentient.

705
00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:27,559
Speaker 5: As they called Denise Hersing, who's currently trying to decode

706
00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:31,400
the dolphins and language, Oh there's a pussy cat. Yes, yeah,

707
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,840
but you see this is this is I suppose like

708
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,679
when you're dealing with an eat intelligence, this is this

709
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,519
is This is one of my big critics of SETI,

710
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:42,039
the search for extratersted intelligence. Not only they looking for

711
00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:45,639
something millions and miles away, which they could find flying

712
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,280
a few dozen feet above our heads, which seems a

713
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,360
little bit strange. But they make a lot of assumptions

714
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,360
about what these beings would be, Like, I mean, Carl

715
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,159
Sagan designed these plaques with a man holding his hands

716
00:39:58,199 --> 00:39:58,559
up like that.

717
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 4: Now, that's that's.

718
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 5: A sign of reading universally across humanity. You could go

719
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,039
into the jungle of New Guinea and meet with somebody

720
00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:11,239
who's had no contact with the outside world at all,

721
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,880
and you could do that and they'd understand it, they'd

722
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,639
understand what that meant. But we're dealing with something more

723
00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:19,199
exotic than just such someone in a jungle in New Guinea.

724
00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 3: How do we know that?

725
00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:23,599
Speaker 5: That might not mean we're coming for your Grammys.

726
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,599
Speaker 4: It's it's I think, like Neil said, you know, these

727
00:40:28,679 --> 00:40:33,119
are humanoids we're dealing with almost exclusively. If you go

728
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,079
through the vast literature on this subject, there are only

729
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,480
a very very few, statistically insignificant number of cases that

730
00:40:41,559 --> 00:40:46,079
are non humanoid sort of blave like beings or something

731
00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:49,920
that's not bipeople with a head, arms and so forth.

732
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,599
And they are doing exactly that sort of thing, making

733
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,719
gestures to people, and people who have direct communication with

734
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,760
these guys will often get a message somewhere along the

735
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,280
lines of you share a common heritage, we share an

736
00:41:04,559 --> 00:41:07,880
I'm an ancestry, we are you, you are us, we

737
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,000
are one. The fact that some of these guys actually

738
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:14,639
do look pretty much exactly like us, I think raises

739
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,000
really it's serious implications. What is our relationship to them?

740
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,440
Clearly much closer than we might think so, and would

741
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,639
be that they are We're probably very much related to

742
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:26,280
these guys.

743
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 5: They've been visited this clearly, this is an interaction which

744
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,400
is perennial in the human experience. I mean, you can

745
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,360
go cree trade back to prehistoric times. Basically, it didn't

746
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,119
begin with Betty and Barney Hill or with Kenneth Arnold.

747
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:42,480
It's much much older than that. It's and indeed, the

748
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:46,480
idea of panspermia and the idea that the universe itself

749
00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:49,719
has a biosphere with which the Earth is just one part,

750
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,920
rather than the Earth being this kind of oasis in

751
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:55,480
this huge cosmic desert, makes much more sense to me,

752
00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:57,960
in which case we would expect some kind of genetic

753
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:01,880
link because that the DNA therefore would not be confined

754
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,519
to this Earth, and therefore, and also we may be

755
00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:06,840
dealing with creatures that may have grow developed in a

756
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,800
similar habitat to ourselves. Astronomers, even even like very mainstream astronomers,

757
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,079
are discovering Earth like planets if they have an environment

758
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:16,679
which is similar to our own. And maybe there's a

759
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:21,280
parallel evolution at work here. And there's this show.

760
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 4: I agree. I mean, you talk about SETI looking outwards.

761
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,320
For some it is actually happening right next to them.

762
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,480
I'm gone. Sorry, present scientists are refusing to even ignore

763
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:33,880
the evidence. And if you cannot open your mind enough

764
00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:36,480
to look at the evidence before making a decision about it,

765
00:42:36,599 --> 00:42:39,760
what kind of a scientist are you? Yeah, and Fashers,

766
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,519
they're stuck thousands of thousands of human raid reports. This

767
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,320
means something that we have to figure out.

768
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:47,639
Speaker 5: I don't want to do a great big plug right,

769
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,559
But I'm actually I'm speaking of the Birmingham UFO group

770
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,719
next the first Thursday next month, and I'm doing a

771
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:58,280
talk on this very subject. So it's in March. Yeah,

772
00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:00,519
whenever this goes to air. But I mean, they may

773
00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:02,199
have God may have already passed. But I'll try and

774
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,559
video it but you are literally having this conundrum between

775
00:43:06,639 --> 00:43:08,639
setti and upology. I'm going to cover this in great

776
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,199
detail because it is extraordinary and.

777
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,079
Speaker 2: The mainstream scientists can't answer the fact that why humans

778
00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:17,320
the only speci is not adapted to this planet, or

779
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:21,000
animals don't wear clothes unless humans put clothes on animals.

780
00:43:21,039 --> 00:43:23,719
But we cannot survive outside. We'll get hyperthermia and die.

781
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,159
We're hairless monkeys basically, So you know, where do we

782
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,679
really come from? Where do we Where does our DNA

783
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,800
genetics really come from? Are we attest to? You know,

784
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:35,880
species created by another species?

785
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:39,199
Speaker 4: There's a book by Las Silver cult humans are not

786
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,880
from Earth checking out It makes some of these interesting points.

787
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,119
Speaker 5: If we're related, if we're related to if we're descended

788
00:43:48,159 --> 00:43:49,880
from the eighth family, Why is our skin more like

789
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,760
a pig's skin? Things like that, Why do we have

790
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,639
like why why does our nose point downwards? Why do

791
00:43:55,679 --> 00:43:57,880
we have why do why are we not our boreal?

792
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,280
Why are we the why do we have flat? We

793
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:00,960
walk up right?

794
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 2: I mean, apparently our sleep pattern is more akin to

795
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:06,519
being in tune with Mars than it is with our

796
00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:07,039
own moon.

797
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:09,199
Speaker 4: That's interesting, isn't it?

798
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 5: Because Mars in the distant past did have a worm.

799
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I know several contactes were basically told that

800
00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:22,599
in the far far far past did inhabit Marence Dolly

801
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:26,119
Saffron whole book about symmetry was told that by the

802
00:44:26,199 --> 00:44:30,679
epties and I have other cases same thing. That definitely

803
00:44:31,199 --> 00:44:31,960
freaks you wonder.

804
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, from what I understand, and this is this is

805
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,559
my kind of like understanding of it, that humans originally

806
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,679
started off on Mars for whatever reason, whether it was

807
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,880
climate or whether it was war, I don't know, but

808
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,719
they had to get out of it there and the

809
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,159
next nearest planet to head to that was viable with

810
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:49,960
Earth who knows.

811
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 5: Certainly if Mars, I mean, this is why people keep

812
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:57,920
finding I mean the in the in the visual record

813
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:03,239
captured by NASA and other agencies, what strange structures objects

814
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:03,599
on Mars.

815
00:45:03,679 --> 00:45:05,519
Speaker 4: It looks like, well you artificial.

816
00:45:05,159 --> 00:45:07,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the square characters that recently, yeah.

817
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 3: That's been around for years. I remember seeing in a

818
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,440
book about fifteen years and.

819
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 5: If if there was a different environment in the distant

820
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,320
past in Mars, an intelligent animal species may well have

821
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,000
evolved capable of constructing objects something but obviously went badly

822
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:25,039
wrong with the Martian environment. As you just said, we

823
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:25,920
had to get out.

824
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 4: And there's no going back either. It's no metal. Sorry, mask,

825
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,880
I don't think we're going to make it there and survive.

826
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 5: Because yeah, it's you know, but it's it's annoying that

827
00:45:38,679 --> 00:45:41,840
the Mastream academics so reject this theory. They don't they

828
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,079
won't even look at it. They call people at Richard

829
00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:47,599
Holding crazy and they just won't even they won't even discussing.

830
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 3: It's it's crazy, I think. And they can actually go

831
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:53,119
to Mars and set up her habitual zones and things

832
00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:54,920
like that under all that intense radiation.

833
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,639
Speaker 2: It's a very simil weapmons. Yeah, three years in space,

834
00:45:58,920 --> 00:45:59,199
I think.

835
00:45:59,280 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

836
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: I mean, if there's an emergency, how they're going to

837
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,960
get back. They're going to need food. Then they're going

838
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,119
to need oxygen, you know. I mean, can you imagine

839
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:10,239
the amount of food needed for a three year journey,

840
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,159
let alone spending the rest of your life on Mars.

841
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,119
But when you get there, what was that that film?

842
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:18,039
I think that Matt Damon. Yeah, basically, when you get there,

843
00:46:18,159 --> 00:46:22,320
there's nothing nothing. The only way you're going to survive

844
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,239
is what you bring with you. And I'm sorry, I

845
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,039
do not trust current human technology with what we've got

846
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:33,239
is just unless we send Keirstarma. If a one way

847
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,800
ticket for him would be fantastic.

848
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 5: And we'd a crowd, I'd be willing to crowd run down.

849
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,039
Do you know what our colleague, Jerald what would vehemently

850
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:45,800
disagree with us on this. But I mean that's he's

851
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,679
not here to he's not here to talk about it.

852
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,679
Speaker 2: Bit that he thinks it's possible.

853
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 4: The reasinks.

854
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's very keen on the eager of a mission

855
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,000
to Mars and indeed Martian colonies and stuff, you know.

856
00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 4: But I'll look it up. But the no magnetic field,

857
00:46:59,000 --> 00:46:59,920
it's not going to work.

858
00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 5: That I want to ask a bit more because Preston

859
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,639
brought this up about the hearings. No, I've taken a

860
00:47:08,679 --> 00:47:11,719
great I've been following the hearings UFO hearings in the

861
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,400
United States very closely. There have been several equivalents in

862
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:17,840
Brazil and maybe I've done if there's them in any

863
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,280
other countries, but to me, there's it's it is encouraging,

864
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,280
like you said earlier, and I don't want to put

865
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,480
a dampler on it. But from what I've seen so far,

866
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:31,400
all we've basically seen is we've seen the the legislature

867
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:38,079
of a nation, that is the official government basically asking

868
00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:42,119
or petitioning or just picking the brains of various witnesses.

869
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:45,880
And you know about something that lies within what I

870
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,400
call what Richard Dolin calls the national security stage or

871
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,159
the breakaway civilization. People who have who have knowledge about

872
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:56,559
what's going on behind that, behind that iron curtain. But

873
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,360
the legislature, the legislature has no real authority over what

874
00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:04,320
goes on in there. So as much as I I'm

875
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,840
glad to see President Trump sign an executive order to

876
00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:10,840
declaify the JFK files, and as Chuck Schumer says, now

877
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:15,719
do UFOs. But and it's clearly that there's the intent

878
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,000
there within the executive of this of this new administration.

879
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,280
But how lightly is it to be successful? Do you

880
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:26,960
think how much authority does Trump or Nancy Mace or

881
00:48:27,039 --> 00:48:29,800
Tim Burchett or any of these people really have over

882
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:33,199
this when you consider that, you know, Matt Gates, was

883
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,320
it Matt Gates and Anapauline and Luna they were turned

884
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,679
away from a military base. They were told you can't

885
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,320
come in here, and it says, don't tell us that

886
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,280
we are your your governments. You can't keep us out

887
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:43,400
of here, and they say, yes, we can.

888
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,519
Speaker 4: Well that's the look that question. I don't know that

889
00:48:48,679 --> 00:48:51,679
our president is the one who is running the country naturally,

890
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:56,760
or the legislation are just legislative brand or the judicial

891
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,199
branch or any of them. Because if you trade the

892
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,559
cover up, who's the folks behind it? It's the highest

893
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:07,320
levels of the military, non elected officials, and even beyond that,

894
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:11,440
because you can't give a freedom of information request to

895
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:12,559
a private corporation.

896
00:49:13,519 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 5: Yeahs, nursery industrial complex.

897
00:49:16,199 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, are the folks behind the cover up? One percenters

898
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:26,480
to some degree, corporations, energy industry, pharmaceutical industry, banking and

899
00:49:26,599 --> 00:49:30,719
insurance industries. I think these are the ones probably who

900
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,159
have some influence on all of this. Absolutely, it's the

901
00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:41,079
intelligence agencies Kantagon, the CIA, the FBI, the NSA so

902
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,360
forth are in the know who are controlling this, but

903
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,880
I think are probably being used by the ultra rich,

904
00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:53,320
the cabal, so to speak. For lack of a better word.

905
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,159
Speaker 2: I was going to say, as far as the banking

906
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,679
industry goes, I mean, we've all heard this phrase, you know,

907
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,639
billions ode you know countries, you know UK for instance,

908
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:10,079
twenty two billion pound black hole debt, but nobody ever

909
00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:13,320
asks it, certainly in the mainstream who is the money

910
00:50:13,559 --> 00:50:17,960
owed too? When we talk about countries in debt and

911
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:22,440
we talk about these the huge trillion or quadrillion you

912
00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:25,039
know debts, who is the ode too? And people say, oh,

913
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:28,400
I am f the international monecy fund, Well who owns that?

914
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:31,920
Then you know that nobody asks, well, who owns that?

915
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,800
And when you get back to it exactly you said, Preston,

916
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:38,559
what we're talking about is this this cabal, this elite

917
00:50:38,639 --> 00:50:41,599
group of banking families running the whole show.

918
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 5: After David Rothcoff wrote a book called Superclass, which is

919
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,440
a very interesting the instance you read, because it talks

920
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,480
about that there is literally.

921
00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:54,159
Speaker 4: A kind of breakaway civilization.

922
00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 5: He puts it in the world of finance and industry

923
00:50:57,039 --> 00:50:59,840
things like that, but of course it involves technology and

924
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:03,480
false study of secret science and things like this.

925
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 3: Which he doesn't bring up in his book.

926
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,039
Speaker 4: But it's still it's still relevant, I think.

927
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:09,679
Speaker 5: But I don't want to sound defeatist here because I

928
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:10,920
don't believe it's a lost cause.

929
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 4: And clearly there is a will.

930
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,039
Speaker 5: Now, I mean there's more of a will within the

931
00:51:16,119 --> 00:51:19,480
executive and legislature in the United States to address this

932
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:21,559
point that they ever had I've ever seen before.

933
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 4: I mean, the legislative branch does have the authority to

934
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,760
oversighte spending in the intelligent agencies.

935
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 5: They're exerting their muscles in a way that past administrations didn't.

936
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,760
And I'm not defeatist about this, but it is people

937
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,880
sometimes have this idea that the president, they call the

938
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:42,840
President the United States, the.

939
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 4: Most powerful man in the world. Actually he's not.

940
00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 5: His power is very limited, not just by the US

941
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:50,800
Constitution itself, but also by this reality that you've just

942
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,760
you and Andy and Preston have just described. But I mean, I,

943
00:51:56,159 --> 00:51:58,920
as I said, I'm not a pessimist here. I do

944
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:01,599
believe things come out with left field and where there's

945
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:03,159
a will, as a Wayne felt and now final, at

946
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:04,039
least we have a will.

947
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Speaker 4: I'd like I was sitting ahead of State to just say,

948
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flat up, you are real. We've been visited. That hasn't

949
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happened yet.

950
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Speaker 5: Yeah, we found one. We've had one say that not real.

951
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That is well, we found one to say he doesn't know.

952
00:52:17,039 --> 00:52:19,880
We' just Bill Clinton we He talked about Ryan from

953
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Belfast to me and he asked me, is there in

954
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nineteen forty seven did the Aliens crash?

955
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Speaker 4: It was well, I don't know, and I want them.

956
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Speaker 3: To tell me.

957
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Speaker 2: Well, although there was that Canadian Air Force guy who

958
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basically said that they are real, I forgot their support.

959
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Speaker 4: Now this she was hard at that time. I spoke

960
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,840
to Berkeley face a great ay up too long, very

961
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passed on. I have to give kudos to him. That

962
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:49,199
took a lot of courage to put your reputation on

963
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,360
the line. Was refired. He was it.

964
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 3: He was a defense minute in the sixties, I think,

965
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and I was yeah, something that we heard about him,

966
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he was like ninety seven.

967
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Speaker 4: Yeah, what was done by him?

968
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 5: He really a man of huge energy because at the

969
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age of ninety five he started doing tours and he

970
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:06,840
was writing. He's writing a book. I don't know if

971
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he managed to finish it, but you know what, Oh good,

972
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,480
hopefully we met you, Hopefully we see it published. But

973
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what's really weird Presson is that when he died, there

974
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,039
were obituaries that written about him, including one which I wrote.

975
00:53:18,639 --> 00:53:21,599
But the Canadian media that the mainstream media in Canada

976
00:53:21,679 --> 00:53:24,800
was completely silent, which is weird considering this guy is

977
00:53:25,199 --> 00:53:27,760
he's one of the most senior statesmen in the entire country.

978
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,239
He was the longest served members of the of the

979
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,559
King's Council, which is the most which is the senior

980
00:53:33,599 --> 00:53:37,559
house of the of the Canadian Parliament. He was actually

981
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:40,280
the longest sitting member of the King's Council. Yet there

982
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,719
was no obituary to him in the mainstream Canadian media

983
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,559
at all. How weird it was he died silently and

984
00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:46,880
forgotten by everyone.

985
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,679
Speaker 4: Silence speech, Yeah, since the things said sometimes speaks louder

986
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,639
than the words as I very spicious about how Congress

987
00:53:56,639 --> 00:54:01,239
says yet to interview a contactee or talk about humanoids

988
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:05,000
really at all, that people are having direct contact. We'll

989
00:54:05,039 --> 00:54:09,000
talk about sightings, yeah, talk about even crash retrievals. And

990
00:54:10,039 --> 00:54:15,280
we called extra traadrial intelligence, no non human intelligence. All

991
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,880
these eupimisms driving me absolutely crazy. UAP is a new one.

992
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:22,239
Why you know, how has that changed the game at all?

993
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:26,639
Speaker 5: Well, the reason that the term UAP is actually dates

994
00:54:26,679 --> 00:54:29,840
back to the Condine Report, which was a British investigation

995
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,320
in the nineteen eighties. But the reason it's been adopted

996
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,119
and ironically is for for the very same reason that

997
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,280
Robertson panel in nineteen fifty two adopted the term UFO

998
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:41,039
because they didn't want it. They didn't want to sound

999
00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:46,480
crazy by saying flying saucer. Unfortunately, we crazies culturally appropriated UFO.

1000
00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:48,639
So now they have to come up with something new,

1001
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and they chose UAP that they're events,