WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:08.919 Monster House Presents. 2 00:00:09.880 --> 00:00:11.320 Let's clean a random grave. 3 00:00:14.199 --> 00:00:16.559 Who do you think is buried here? Let's clean it 4 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:17.199 and find out. 5 00:00:17.320 --> 00:00:18.760 I have so many questions. 6 00:00:18.839 --> 00:00:21.399 How old is this grave? It looks like it's been 7 00:00:21.440 --> 00:00:24.879 here for five hundred years? How this gravee gets so dirty? 8 00:00:27.239 --> 00:00:29.679 We there's a tree growing out of it. 9 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:30.719 I love plants. 10 00:00:30.839 --> 00:00:34.200 This transformation is extremely hard for me, but I believe 11 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:35.960 everyone deserves a beautiful grave. 12 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:39.640 It's actually quite unlike anything we've ever seen before. 13 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:43.280 A giant, hairy creature. 14 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:48.520 Part eighte part mass in Luckness, a twenty four mile long, 15 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:50.600 bottomless lake in the Highlands of Scotland. 16 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:53.079 It's a creature known as the Luckness Monster. 17 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:21.120 Monster Talk. Welcome to Monster Talk, the science show about monsters. 18 00:01:21.400 --> 00:01:24.000 I'm Blake Smith and I'm Karen Stolsner. 19 00:01:24.400 --> 00:01:28.400 This episode deals with death and cemeteries. The audio at 20 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:30.439 the top of this episode was from a YouTube video, 21 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:32.959 one in a series and of an entire class of 22 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:36.239 cleaning videos that we'll be discussing in today's chat. The 23 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:38.760 title of the episodes a play on the original title 24 00:01:38.799 --> 00:01:42.879 of Edwoods film Plan nine from Outer Space. The original 25 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:46.840 title was Grave Robbers from Outer Space. And since we'll 26 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:49.959 be discussing grave rubbing and the Internet, I decided to. 27 00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:52.079 Call it grave rubbers from cyberspace. 28 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:56.200 Now, you may find the term cyberspace sounds a bit dated, 29 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:59.239 and before we started calling it the Internet or the 30 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:02.599 net or that digital hell that I can't escape, it 31 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:05.760 was also called the Information super Highway, and of course 32 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:10.000 cyberspace and the term cyberspace was coined by William Gibson 33 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:13.719 around nineteen eighty two. But that word itself is derived 34 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:17.879 from cybernetics, which was coined by the mathematician Norbert Wiener 35 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:20.960 in the nineteen forties to describe a field of study 36 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:24.159 of communication and systems control, and that got a lot 37 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:28.240 of content overlap with Claude Shannon's information theory. Now, Wiener 38 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:32.280 was naming the idea after the Greek word kibernetes, which 39 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:35.680 means a ship's helm or governor, which is also where 40 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:38.439 we get the word gubernatorial. And if you're in it, 41 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:41.840 you'll know there's a popular software package called Kubernetes which 42 00:02:41.919 --> 00:02:45.080 is used to manage our govern server instances of what 43 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:48.400 we call containerized applications. You don't need to know any 44 00:02:48.479 --> 00:02:50.280 of that for the episode, but I always find it 45 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:52.680 interesting to see a word rise and fall in usage, 46 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:55.759 and to note how the meaning changes over time. For instance, 47 00:02:55.800 --> 00:02:58.439 right now everyone in the media is calling large language 48 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:01.840 models by the letters A and I, but AI researchers 49 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:02.280 would not. 50 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:03.439 Classify them this way. 51 00:03:03.479 --> 00:03:06.960 It's sloppy and misleading, and there is nothing we can 52 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:09.759 do to fix it, because that's how language works. Language 53 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:12.759 does not bow before leaders. It does not stay in 54 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:16.240 tidy containers. It describes the ebb and flow of ideas 55 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:19.039 an effort to constrain it, or like ordnance against storm 56 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:22.680 or earthquake. But I love dusting off a formerly popular 57 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:25.960 word and taking it around the block, or maybe scrubbing 58 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:28.039 it down with pink foam and then creating it around 59 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:31.639 TikTok hmm, maybe not mobstrtal. 60 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:36.680 Thanks for joining us all tonight. Hey Matt, welcome back. 61 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:38.319 Thank you, Karen. 62 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:41.879 As always, you know this is this is your topic. 63 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:45.199 I'm excited and I've sort of put I put peanut 64 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:46.960 butter in the chocolate, or I put chocolate and the 65 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:47.520 peanut butter. 66 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:50.319 Because as soon as you said that you wanted to. 67 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:54.960 Talk about this online culture around grave cleaning. 68 00:03:55.080 --> 00:03:57.639 I immediately went to and what about grave rubbing? 69 00:03:58.240 --> 00:04:01.360 Because I did that in the eighties and that's really relevant. 70 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:04.439 Oh you did. I didn't know you ever did it. 71 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:04.960 I know it was. 72 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:08.400 It's been a thing on and off, and there could 73 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:10.759 be some confusion here. So yeah, we're going to talk 74 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:14.719 about a couple of different things. So grave cleaning and 75 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:17.399 grave rubbing, but not robbing. 76 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:20.879 That's another day, exactly. No grave robbing. 77 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:27.879 I'm planning grave rubbers from cyberspace. That's my plan. Nine tie. 78 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:29.279 Oh yeah, that's good. 79 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:30.920 T lovely lovely. 80 00:04:31.240 --> 00:04:36.480 Well, yeah, this is a kind of complicated topic. But 81 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:39.800 I came across an article in The Conversation and it 82 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:45.120 was about people who clean the Conversations. Okay, so it 83 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:49.240 is a kind of an online magazine, I guess, and 84 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:54.800 they say something about their journalistic flair and academic rigor. 85 00:04:55.399 --> 00:04:59.759 So it is that there are articles written by scholars academics, 86 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:02.720 but they are written for a general audience. 87 00:05:02.839 --> 00:05:04.360 So I do tend. 88 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:08.360 I've written for them before, not about this topic, and 89 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:10.639 so this article came up for me and I thought 90 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:14.800 this sounds interesting. And we've treated a lot of cemetery 91 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:18.680 law and topics surrounding cemeteries in the past. 92 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:22.000 So I'm sorry, Can I interrupt for one second? Karen, 93 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:26.199 I'm so sorry. I just need to ask Blake. When 94 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:32.920 a statement such as academic rigor is said in a 95 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:35.920 topic about cemeteries, do you have any puns that come 96 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:36.399 to mind? 97 00:05:37.120 --> 00:05:39.600 Because, oh, don't encourage him. 98 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:42.560 Well, yeah, I was sitting here waiting to do something 99 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:44.279 with rigor mortis, if that's what you're asking. 100 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:47.040 Yes, I just couldn't find it. I couldn't find a 101 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:48.160 clean way to do it. 102 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:50.680 Yeah. No, no, rigor mortis was I was just sitting 103 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:53.879 here waiting. It was loaded up, ready to go. No, 104 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:56.439 you're absolutely on point there. 105 00:05:56.720 --> 00:05:59.959 Okay, I'm so sorry with this stupid. 106 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:01.759 She's stiff delivery. 107 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:09.560 There it has begun. So yeah, this article, i'd encourage 108 00:06:09.560 --> 00:06:11.879 people to go and read it. Grave cleaning videos are 109 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:15.480 going viral on TikTok. Are they honoring the dead or 110 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:20.000 exploiting them? So, yeah, this is a trend and there 111 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:21.839 are a number of people who are doing this, but 112 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:25.639 they're doing this in different ways. So the article cites 113 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:30.120 a woman named Alicia Williams of Virginia, and so her 114 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:34.720 angle is more as a kind of historian. She restores 115 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:36.920 headstones and she cleans them. 116 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:39.240 So we're going to get into that shortly. 117 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:42.199 But the other side of the coin is a woman 118 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:46.120 by the name of Kaylee Mae McEwan. So her style 119 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:48.439 it's a little bit more click bait. 120 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:50.560 I guess we can say yeah yeah. 121 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:53.519 Now she's known as the clean Girl. And it's so 122 00:06:53.560 --> 00:06:56.399 funny because I read this article and I said, hey, Matt, 123 00:06:56.399 --> 00:06:59.399 we're going to watch the Clean Girl on YouTube, and 124 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:01.160 so we've got off one of her videos and then 125 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:04.920 blade nine year old walks past is like the clean Girl. 126 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:06.920 So this is such a thing. 127 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:10.439 That even nine year olds know who'she she is. And 128 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:15.720 she has four point two million followers on TikTok and 129 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:20.360 her video that she puts out she gets millions of views. 130 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:24.480 I mean upwards of seventy million views per video. So 131 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:28.000 this is a real thing. So her technique, it is 132 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:31.399 a little bit questionable. So again, this Alicia Williams, she 133 00:07:32.720 --> 00:07:37.160 does consult with the families, I believe, and she works 134 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:39.920 in with them, gets their permission, works in with the 135 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:44.839 caretakers at the cemeteries as well. But this Kaylee McEwan, 136 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:49.120 the Clean Girl. She has a kind of pink spiky ball. 137 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:51.560 Now did you watch any of these videos? 138 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:55.519 Like I can never get that time back, Yes I did. 139 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:59.399 Yes, I'm going with it. 140 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:02.639 But yeah, did you notice that she had no disclaimers 141 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:06.360 about I talked to the cemetery, I told, oh, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, 142 00:08:06.600 --> 00:08:08.439 there was no disclaimers at all. 143 00:08:08.680 --> 00:08:10.639 And I mean to be to be fair to her. 144 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:13.240 She is the clean girl, not just the graveyard clean girl. 145 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:16.319 So she also cleans bathrooms and other stuff, you know, 146 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:19.399 a really nasty job, which is fine, but when you 147 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:24.360 get into cemeteries and people's remains, there's a lot of 148 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:25.879 cultural norms, you. 149 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:28.160 Know, that that can be violated here. 150 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:32.120 And I think something about her tight fitting exercise gear 151 00:08:32.240 --> 00:08:35.559 and bright pink soap and the rolling the ball to 152 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:37.799 find Whi's grave is going to be grace with her, 153 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:44.240 you know, cleaning uh yeah. 154 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:44.080 Magic foam. Yeah. 155 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:49.399 I just fine, it just I I can't explain why 156 00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:52.240 I've been thinking about this for days now, why I 157 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:53.600 find this so cringe worthy. 158 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:55.559 But I totally find it cringeworthy. 159 00:08:55.720 --> 00:08:58.360 And part of it is I think I don't know 160 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:01.320 what's in her soap, and like the preservationist to me 161 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:05.440 is concerned that she's not using you know, cemetery safe materials, 162 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:09.039 you know, But well that's just me. 163 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:12.000 I don't know, well you are, You are right that 164 00:09:12.039 --> 00:09:16.559 she does clean things other than gravestones. And I saw 165 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:21.039 a video that came up and it was her cleaning 166 00:09:21.159 --> 00:09:26.039 a public restaurant, a restroom in KFC for free. So 167 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:28.320 she's really out there. 168 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:30.799 Yeah, it's another thing she says, though it's for free, 169 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:33.960 and this video only got forty million views. 170 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:37.039 Yeah, for free, except for you know free, She's okay, 171 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:39.080 just not by the venue right now. 172 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:44.639 So there was a lot of clickbait going on. But 173 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:48.480 whatever it is, her business is working. You know, she's 174 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:51.480 doing well with her business. But we do have to 175 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:52.080 be a question. 176 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:55.240 Well, she does have her outfit and everything, and we 177 00:09:55.240 --> 00:09:56.759 don't want to shame her or anything like that. 178 00:09:56.759 --> 00:09:58.159 That's not what we're talking about. 179 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:00.799 But I think it's more a matter of that she 180 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:05.000 doesn't seek permission from the cemetery. She doesn't seek permission 181 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:10.159 from the families. Now, she has been accused of over 182 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:13.159 zealously editing some of her work as well, so I 183 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:14.720 guess we should go back to what she does. So, 184 00:10:14.799 --> 00:10:18.120 as you said, she's got the pink spiky ball and 185 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:20.399 she goes to a cemetery and she just rolls the 186 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:25.080 ball and it hits a particular grave, and so it's 187 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:26.279 meant to be a random thing. 188 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:27.960 So I don't know if that's reality or not. 189 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:30.679 I don't know if she chooses a grave that she 190 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:35.000 wants to work with, or chooses maybe a person or 191 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:38.200 a family that have a story that she wants to treat. 192 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:41.759 But she throws this ball lands there, and then she 193 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:47.200 cleans the grave, and sometimes that can take her five 194 00:10:47.399 --> 00:10:51.559 six hours. Sometimes she's doing it in scorching hot sun. 195 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:54.360 Other times she's cleaning at night at. 196 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:56.080 Night, which is super weird to me. 197 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:58.879 I mean, not because it's scary, but just because the 198 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:01.960 implication is she's sneaking in there doing well. 199 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:04.519 And we don't know how that's going to affect her soul. 200 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:06.559 Oh well, I don't know that. 201 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:10.799 You're right, Yeah, could get an attachment and leave and 202 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:11.799 take a ghost home. 203 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:15.360 I'm pretty sure that therapy that pink foam will take 204 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:15.759 care of that. 205 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:16.799 I'm sure. I'm sure. 206 00:11:17.600 --> 00:11:19.480 Yeah, it looks a little nuclear. Yeah. 207 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:24.159 Now, Karen, you said something there that I was wondering 208 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:27.039 if do we know this for sure? Do we know 209 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:30.720 that she's not asking permission or is she just not 210 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:32.240 promoting that she does? 211 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:33.799 Yeah? 212 00:11:34.519 --> 00:11:37.200 I do not know that, and again she's accused of 213 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:40.480 a lot of different things like questionable editing and people 214 00:11:40.559 --> 00:11:43.320 saying that there are lots of privacy issues surrounding this. 215 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:45.840 So honestly, I don't know. 216 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:49.120 Watching these, you would assume anyway that she's just doing 217 00:11:49.120 --> 00:11:52.879 this randomly because she talks about cleaning the graves of strangers. 218 00:11:53.320 --> 00:11:56.000 So I just don't think she's getting permissioned. And when 219 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:00.200 she goes in and does this at night, she's jumping 220 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:03.080 at every noise that she hears, so it just doesn't 221 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:04.360 seem like she's got permission. 222 00:12:04.919 --> 00:12:06.879 I just heard something weird? Is that a ghost? 223 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:09.360 It was not a ghost. I accidentally clicked the link. 224 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:11.799 They would tell her. They would say, you could, you 225 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:14.039 could clean these ones, but do not touch these ones. 226 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:16.240 You can do this, but you can't do that, And 227 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:18.120 they would be giving her, you know, a lot of 228 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:21.600 rules and guidance that she probably doesn't even want to 229 00:12:21.639 --> 00:12:25.039 say that she you know, follows, you know, I we 230 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:27.840 know how it is to be accused of things online. 231 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:31.240 I know that my coworker accuses me of stealing his 232 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:36.919 stapler every day, and it does not matter that my 233 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:38.720 stuff is impeccably stapled. 234 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:42.240 They've moved my desk four times already this year. And 235 00:12:42.279 --> 00:12:44.480 I used to be over by the window and I 236 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:48.039 could see the squirrels and they were married. But then 237 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:51.080 they switched from the swing line to the buston Stafler. 238 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:53.519 But I kept my swing line stapler because it didn't 239 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:55.679 bind up as much, and I kept the staples for 240 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:56.840 the swing line stapler. 241 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:01.279 The thing is is it doesn't always just because she's 242 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:05.440 being accused of it doesn't necessarily mean that she's guilty. 243 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:08.639 I think there are kind of indicators that she's not 244 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:12.120 seeking permission. And again, because she talks about cleaning the 245 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:16.440 graves of strangers, she's doing this at night, and I 246 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:19.600 just don't think that she'd get permissioned from any cemetery 247 00:13:19.720 --> 00:13:21.840 or any council to go. 248 00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:22.080 And do that. 249 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:24.279 I know in Australia there are some cemeteries that are 250 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:26.960 just open all the time, but it seems to be 251 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:29.399 more of a trend here that you have locks and 252 00:13:29.559 --> 00:13:34.639 gates and hours usually from I guess sunrise to sunset 253 00:13:34.919 --> 00:13:39.399 that cemeteries are open. So I just really can't talk 254 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:42.879 to that, but it is I think the assumption in 255 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:46.600 this article is that Alicia Williams is doing this, she 256 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:50.039 does get permission. She tells the stories and the history 257 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:53.519 of these people and their families and their life experiences 258 00:13:53.559 --> 00:13:57.240 and what happened to them. And we're not getting that 259 00:13:57.440 --> 00:14:01.080 with the clean Well. Instead, she's kind of cracking jokes 260 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:06.799 and making assumptions about people, and I mean, I'm just 261 00:14:06.879 --> 00:14:09.039 really not getting respect from. 262 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:11.399 Maybe we ought to keep an eye on this because 263 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:14.399 of the fact that for someone who has four point 264 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:18.879 two million followers, she's got a ton millions and millions 265 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:22.960 of views on each video. That makes her a huge target. 266 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:26.000 So if somebody wanted to come after her with any 267 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:28.840 kind of lawsuit or anything like that, she is a 268 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:31.519 prime target for that. And if she is doing things 269 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:35.639 she shouldn't be, we will see that. So I would 270 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:36.519 rise open too. 271 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:39.559 I would add too that from the examples I've seen, 272 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:43.159 we're talking about people who died quite some time ago 273 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:44.519 to so we're not talking. 274 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:47.759 About recent interments. We're talking about people. 275 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:49.519 We're still talking about the cemetery. 276 00:14:49.799 --> 00:14:50.960 Well, the cemetery. 277 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:57.200 Yeah, the fact that the graves she claims tend to 278 00:14:57.240 --> 00:15:03.440 be the most unkept, which implies there's no next of kin, 279 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:05.879 there's no next to kin, nobody's taking a look at it, 280 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:07.080 so you know, they don't care. 281 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:08.120 It's interesting. 282 00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:12.559 I mean she her brand is perky and bubbly, I guess, 283 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:15.080 and like quite literally bubbly with that pink stuff. 284 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:15.679 She's very pink. 285 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:20.039 Yeah, but I mean she's got that girl next door 286 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:24.279 in a you know, tracksuit, you know, or type fitting 287 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:27.200 exercise gear kind of vibe. So I mean, I I 288 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:30.080 don't think a cemetery in a cemetery, I don't think 289 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:31.879 it's hyper sexualized or anything like that. 290 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:35.039 But I mean she's definitely going for the cute thing. Yeah, yeah, 291 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:35.799 she is. 292 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:38.320 And I would venture to say that's why she has 293 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:41.279 so many followers and so many of her videos are 294 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:42.120 watched as. 295 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:42.799 Much as they are. 296 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:46.679 But that's a good point anyway. Talking about the magic foam, Now, 297 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:49.840 it's funny. I always hear late he does something, he says, oh, 298 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:52.919 that's so satisfying, and she does that too. She has 299 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:56.679 this magic foam. She calls it pink foamy cleanser, and 300 00:15:56.720 --> 00:15:59.480 she has marketed this. So this stuff maybe it's twenty 301 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:02.080 nine nine five, I think a pop and she is 302 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:05.879 making a mozza from selling this and from all of 303 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:07.240 her social media accounts. 304 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:10.399 But it is this bubblegum pink. 305 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:11.720 It really is. 306 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:16.240 It's impressive that it doesn't stain the stone. Honestly, I'm surprised. 307 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:17.000 So that's that's good. 308 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:19.360 I don't know what the hell's in it. 309 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:22.399 What I guess was outlawed by the government in this 310 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:26.799 country a red dive sometimes. But the funny thing is 311 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:31.440 she has been accused too of editing and that the 312 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:33.879 foam is a different color blue or something like that. 313 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:37.559 I've seen it using different colored lenses as well, and 314 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:39.519 I don't know if that's I mean, she is doing 315 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:42.799 layer upon layer of this, and that is another complaint. 316 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:47.080 This conversation piece talked about how that could cause damage 317 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:47.720 to the graves. 318 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:48.639 Well, and I've. 319 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:53.519 Seen her use pressure washer and scrub brushes and other brushes. 320 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:56.279 Yeah, and it's like, here's the thing, toilet cleaners. 321 00:16:56.960 --> 00:17:00.840 The stones themselves at cemetery areas are made out of 322 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:04.000 different materials, and some of them are hard and sealed, 323 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:08.599 and some of them are porous and soft, like limestone. Yeah, 324 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:13.519 limestone marble, you know those are pretty and then granite 325 00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:17.079 is really hard. But you know that's they really needed 326 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:22.160 to improve tools to make granite monuments, you know, pretty 327 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:24.200 inexpensive so they had to have like really powerful sand 328 00:17:24.200 --> 00:17:27.079 blasters and other tools and stuff. So I guess my 329 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:29.720 point is the older the tombstone is, the more likely 330 00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:32.200 that they are going to be damaged by a rough cleaning. 331 00:17:32.759 --> 00:17:35.839 And yeah, and they are filthy, as you say. I mean, 332 00:17:35.839 --> 00:17:39.359 they're covered in mold. They're covered in fungus and algae 333 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:42.400 and lichen and things like that. And so one of 334 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:45.960 her claims too, is that she is I'm just trying 335 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:49.799 to find the quote that she says to do. She 336 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:55.200 says that she's giving them their name back. So she 337 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:58.200 because a lot of these you can't even read any 338 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:01.160 longer because they're just so covered in endured and felt 339 00:18:01.240 --> 00:18:02.640 and they're that old. 340 00:18:02.920 --> 00:18:03.079 Ah. 341 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:06.119 But you know, you do have a lot of culture 342 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:10.079 around cleaning as well. So there is a lot of 343 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:13.559 history of people talking about washing as a kind of 344 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:17.920 ritual or a purification process or preparation for the afterlife 345 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:19.480 and things like that. And there are a lot of 346 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:23.680 people who are doing things that are similar to this too. 347 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:28.119 There are even baptism, Yes, that baptism is a washing 348 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:29.480 way of sins. 349 00:18:29.880 --> 00:18:34.640 Feats, that kind of thing. References to Jesus before he 350 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:37.960 was crucified, but there are other creators who are doing 351 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:41.920 similar things, and I guess they're less hands on. For example, 352 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:44.799 there are a number of people who are very successful 353 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:48.400 at making recipes found on headstones. I think that's such 354 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:51.559 an interesting thing. I mean, I've been to a lot 355 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:55.079 of cemeteries over the years in the course of the 356 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:58.960 things I've done in skepticism, and I've come across a 357 00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:02.599 lot of headstones that have a recipe maybe for cookies 358 00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:05.880 or a cake that a particular person loved to bake and. 359 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:07.440 Wanted to just the last thing, I ate, what could 360 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:08.240 plus bigger wrong? 361 00:19:09.720 --> 00:19:12.799 Yeah, the salmon. 362 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:15.480 Darling. 363 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:17.279 You didn't use canned salmon, did you. 364 00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:24.559 I didn't even eat the salmon moves. So I think 365 00:19:24.599 --> 00:19:26.640 that kind of thing is really charming. And I've watched 366 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:28.400 some of these videos and there was a lady who 367 00:19:28.519 --> 00:19:32.160 baked a recipe for cookies that was on a headstone. 368 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:34.440 I thought that was really sweet and recorded the process 369 00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:38.680 was really honoring that the person who died so but again, 370 00:19:38.759 --> 00:19:44.160 that's not physically touching these headstones. I'm assuming this person 371 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:47.759 too did have mission from the families. But again, it's 372 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:51.880 this is a really tricky one because I'm sure that 373 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:54.640 there would be that a lot of these people who 374 00:19:54.680 --> 00:19:59.599 are buried there would have living family members, and maybe 375 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:02.599 others wouldn't have been the family line would have died 376 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:06.359 out with that person or with subsequent generations, and so 377 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:12.319 you know, who do you seek permission from? 378 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:15.119 From what I've seen? Uh, you know, there there's a 379 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:17.279 lot of issues around this when it comes to like 380 00:20:17.319 --> 00:20:20.920 I said that the Lichens and the fun guy and 381 00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:25.000 things like that that get on these weaken what. 382 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:26.559 Do you think about werewolfs? A lot of Lichens are 383 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:27.160 fun guys. 384 00:20:27.440 --> 00:20:31.079 A yeah, I was waiting for that. 385 00:20:31.240 --> 00:20:37.799 Yeah, wow, all right, it's it's it is one of 386 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:41.839 those things that that that you know, you've got the 387 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:44.599 it's a balance because you've got these these. 388 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:50.799 Funguses and everything that all fun guy already causing damage. Uh, 389 00:20:51.079 --> 00:20:54.319 but when you clean all them off, you are clean 390 00:20:54.599 --> 00:20:56.960 taking off a bunch of that damage with it, and 391 00:20:57.000 --> 00:21:00.599 it looks like even more damage as being because I 392 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:03.240 mean the stone is weakened and everything else. Now when 393 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:06.000 it comes to you know, the cemetery, they if they 394 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:09.680 see that there's these kind of problems going on, they'll 395 00:21:09.680 --> 00:21:12.720 reach out and try to locate the surviving family members. 396 00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:15.160 You know, from the records and try to let them 397 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:18.759 know if they can't get a hold of them. Different 398 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:21.720 cemeteries have different policies, but they might attempt to repair 399 00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:26.400 it themselves. If it's beyond repair, they'll probably just remove 400 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:30.200 it and store it somewhere. So it's kind of one 401 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:35.920