WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.080 --> 00:00:10.039 In the genre of true crime, it is often very 2 00:00:10.080 --> 00:00:13.960 easy to get swept away in big headline stories, ones 3 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:17.879 that splash across nations, with the news outlets reprinting the 4 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:23.440 glorified atrocities over and over again. Whenever we can. We 5 00:00:23.600 --> 00:00:26.399 like to try and avoid such stories and find ones 6 00:00:26.399 --> 00:00:29.519 that don't get the publicity they deserve, whether it's a 7 00:00:29.559 --> 00:00:33.399 survivor telling the story of a deserving victim, or bringing 8 00:00:33.439 --> 00:00:36.679 to light the horrific crimes of perpetrators so the world 9 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:40.920 can hold them accountable. Today, we want to do just that. 10 00:00:41.960 --> 00:00:45.359 This is a story of two people who took their 11 00:00:45.399 --> 00:00:52.240 own suffering and made others suffer instead. This is Lockjawn 12 00:00:52.359 --> 00:00:54.399 Arts Furry Murder. 13 00:00:54.920 --> 00:00:58.359 My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked 14 00:00:58.399 --> 00:00:59.920 and Grim, a true crime. 15 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:07.079 Podcat casting the following. 16 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:10.400 Audience listener disc. 17 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:32.719 Go Canucks Go. I don't know who watched the last 18 00:01:32.760 --> 00:01:36.760 Canucks game, but oh my god, we came back in 19 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:37.640 a little bit. 20 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:40.920 I was literally napping on the coach because it was 21 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:43.959 so boring. I was just done. I was just so done. 22 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:47.120 And then it got real exciting, real quick. 23 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:51.159 Last three minutes we came back. It was phenomenal. Anyways, 24 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:53.040 this isn't this isn't a sports podcast, so I don't 25 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:56.239 want to ramble about the Canucks. But they're they're doing good. 26 00:01:56.319 --> 00:01:59.159 Hopefully they continue. We're in the playoffs. Go Canucks Go. 27 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:02.840 I don't have a beverage. I just realized that. 28 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:04.480 No. I know, I meant to ask you if you 29 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:07.680 wanted water, but no, I'm okay. I just bought myself something. 30 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:10.919 I'm okay for now. Next next week, I promise I 31 00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:13.879 will crack a beer open with you guys, so that'll 32 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:16.919 come next week. Have a drink ready. Whether it's alcoholic 33 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:19.479 or not, doesn't matter. Just have a drink ready, whether 34 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:20.400 it's chocolate milk. 35 00:02:20.840 --> 00:02:25.680 Oh man, Okay, yes, I bought a two liter of 36 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:28.280 chocolate milk. How long did that last in our home? 37 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:29.479 A couple hours? 38 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:33.159 Yeah, and delicious. I think I got like I think 39 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:35.400 I had a glass. No you had more than that, 40 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:36.719 a glass and a half. 41 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:38.039 No you at least had two? 42 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:43.039 No? Yes, no, yes, at least? Yes man, Okay, I 43 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:44.280 had a glass and a half. 44 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:48.639 Two, you had two glasses. I drink the rest. I'm 45 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:50.159 not ashamed of it. 46 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:52.080 And then today I was like, dang, I wish we 47 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:53.639 had some chocolate milk and. 48 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:58.280 I was like me too. Yeah, but yet next week 49 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:00.400 I'll have a I'll have a beer. If you guys 50 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:02.360 won't have a drink ready, feel free to join in 51 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:04.039 for that one, because it's been a while ahead one 52 00:03:04.039 --> 00:03:07.280 on the show. So we'll get back to that. But 53 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:08.800 I do want to make sure we reach out and 54 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:11.000 thank to our patrons who signed up this past week, 55 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:14.360 and our patron that we have is Rosario Torres. Thank 56 00:03:14.360 --> 00:03:16.280 you so much for signing up. They got that all 57 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:20.599 access pass and they're going to get you putting out 58 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:21.439 a Patreon. 59 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:24.120 Episode tomorrow, well well. 60 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:26.360 Today technically when you hear it the Tuesday. 61 00:03:26.560 --> 00:03:30.000 Yeah, so yeah, we'll be recording that one tomorrow. I'm 62 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:30.639 putting it out. 63 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:33.479 Yeah. So in case you don't know, Patreon, you get 64 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:36.439 the exclusive episode at the end of every month, so 65 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:39.280 this month they're getting the doubleheader. They're getting this episode 66 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:41.000 and the one Nichole's doing. 67 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:43.840 So yeah, yeah too in one day. That's pretty fun. 68 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:46.280 It is. We've been slacking a little bit on Patreon. 69 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:49.520 We got a lot going on recently, but we are 70 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:51.960 coming to an end on a few different side projects 71 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:55.680 of ours. So yeah, we're going to be hitting hard 72 00:03:55.680 --> 00:03:58.080 here in the next coming weeks. We got some big 73 00:03:58.120 --> 00:03:59.759 stuff we're going to be talking about. We're going to 74 00:03:59.840 --> 00:04:02.120 be keeping you guys in the loop, letting you know 75 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:04.800 very soon. Patreon has already got a little bit of 76 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:06.800 heads up on some things. But yeah, we'll be making 77 00:04:06.800 --> 00:04:07.840 some announcements very soon. 78 00:04:08.039 --> 00:04:09.159 Yeah, I'm excited. 79 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:11.240 Yeah, are you excited for this episode today? 80 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:13.680 I don't really know what to think of this episode 81 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:15.120 from your intro, I have no idea. 82 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:18.600 Well, this one is not a very well known one whatsoever. 83 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:20.720 It was really hard to research because there's not much 84 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:26.800 out there. Yeah, and we often try to avoid those great, 85 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:30.240 big headliner true crime stories. Like to date, we have 86 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:37.360 not done Ted Bundy simply because Ted Bundy story is everywhere. Somerton, Man, 87 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:39.879 we haven't done that one because it's, you know, everywhere. 88 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:42.600 We have done some bigger stories. We like to try 89 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:44.240 and stick to some smaller ones. 90 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:47.600 Well. Yeah, often I'll like google it or just in 91 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:50.439 the like search bar of Spotify. Yeah, the case that 92 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:52.839 I'm thinking about doing, And if there's a ton of podcasts, 93 00:04:52.839 --> 00:04:54.879 I'll be like, Okay, maybe I'll try to find another one. 94 00:04:54.959 --> 00:05:00.040 Yeah, So this one, there's not much out there on it. No, 95 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:02.680 not much at all. There's not a lot of published 96 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:06.120 information online. And I mean I like having the opportunity 97 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:08.040 to cover cases like this because it's a chance to 98 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:10.480 tell stories of victims you may not otherwise, you know, 99 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:13.079 generally have their story out loud and kind of go 100 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:17.079 quiet over time. Absolutely, and also, like I said, to 101 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:19.920 kind of call out those perpetrators as well, continuing that 102 00:05:19.959 --> 00:05:23.839 we hold them accountable. But however, on the flip side 103 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:28.639 of this, the research is not easy. It's often it 104 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:30.879 leaves me with like not a lot to write about 105 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:34.199 in the episode, if I'm being honest, So the episode 106 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:36.519 could be a little bit shorter depending on how I 107 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:39.319 write it. So I tried to write this in a 108 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:41.839 proper way to ensure that we still hear the story 109 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:45.600 and we're delivering a good full length episode, right, So 110 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:49.920 that's what I'm trying to do here today. Okay, So 111 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:53.199 here we go. We're starting today talking about a very 112 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:56.240 niche interest, if you will, and it's in the title 113 00:05:56.279 --> 00:06:00.439 of this podcast episode furry. Okay, do you know what 114 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:01.040 a furry is? 115 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:03.480 I have no idea, get worry about to tell you. 116 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:05.800 What a furry is. So we're talking about furries, and 117 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:08.680 if you don't know, like Nicole doesn't know, they are 118 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:15.079 individuals with a subculture interest in anthropomorphic animal characters, so 119 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:18.560 they often cause play as these animal characters from different 120 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:24.040 comics or web series or even their own original characters. Now, 121 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:26.360 to be honest, some of these costumes I've seen from 122 00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:28.519 individuals like I've seen them in real life. I've done 123 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:34.040 cosplay conventions quite a bit myself. These furries quote unquote 124 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:36.879 are pretty epic and seriously well built. Many of them 125 00:06:36.920 --> 00:06:41.120 I've seen are just insane, so good, they're so cool. 126 00:06:41.480 --> 00:06:43.959 So if you will, picture like a mascot like costume, 127 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:47.920 but the proportions of this mascot, like say, like a dog. 128 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:49.120 Okay, okay, the. 129 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:51.600 Proportions are as accurate as they can be to the 130 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:56.480 animal while still delivering a cartoonish, human like, humanoid like 131 00:06:56.519 --> 00:06:59.720 feel to the character, often making them look very cute 132 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:03.839 and adorable. So picture like a dog, but like talks 133 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:06.759 and speaks english, has opposable thumbs, walks on two legs, 134 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:09.399 and is like also cute and like cartoonish, kind of 135 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:11.759 like my little pony almost kind of thing. 136 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:14.160 I feel like the way you're describing these that I've 137 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:16.319 seen I know what you're talking about, Like I've seen this. 138 00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:18.839 You you most definitely have. I know you have because 139 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:20.959 you've been to conventions with me and stuff. You most 140 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:24.839 certainly have. It's a subculture that sounds like pretty tame 141 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:28.240 in all honesty. They dress up as characters. They're like 142 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:32.639 cartoonish like animals. Like cool, right, they're. 143 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:35.240 Question though they're making these costumes like me. 144 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:39.360 Not everyone is. It's no different than any sort of costume. 145 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:42.120 You can buy costumes online and can make them yourself. 146 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:45.519 You can get cheap Amazon knockoffs and stuff. But some 147 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:48.519 of the costumes that people are making are fucking good, 148 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:51.240 are fucking intense, just like any sort of costume building. 149 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:52.120 Yeah, you go to a. 150 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:57.240 Comic con, you're gonna see someone who bought a crappy 151 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:00.560 Halloween store costume for twenty bucks. You're going to see 152 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:04.399 someone who spent two grand building like freaking iron Man's 153 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:09.759 Mark four and Yeah. So there's everywhere in between, just 154 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:12.160 like this too. But some of the costumes are phenomenal. 155 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:16.160 But like I said, there's the side where they dress 156 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:19.560 up with these characters, a cute, cartoonish animals whatever. There's 157 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:22.800 also another side to some of these furries. I'm not 158 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:26.079 going to say it's all of them, but the word 159 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:32.919 furry is often associated with a kink, let's call it, okay, 160 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:37.879 a kink where people like to wear their costumes in 161 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:43.159 intimate settings and they find the characters to be rather attractive, 162 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:47.919 so they get together and do their deeds and fantasize 163 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:56.720 some pretty hardcore situations with otherwise innocent looking critters. Yeah, 164 00:08:57.240 --> 00:08:59.679 I'm going to leave that open for the imagination there, 165 00:08:59.720 --> 00:09:02.639 But that's kind of the other side of what furries 166 00:09:02.759 --> 00:09:05.879 is generally associated with. I'm not saying that's the entirety 167 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:09.080 of the community, but there is a large portion of 168 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:12.720 it that is involved in that sort of stuff. Now, 169 00:09:12.799 --> 00:09:16.360 let me say this, Yes, furries generally get a lot 170 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:19.799 of hate for all this. It's different. It's not very 171 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:24.360 understood by the general public, including myself. But hey, as 172 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:27.840 long as you aren't hurting anyone and it's consensual with 173 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:31.519 everyone involved, I mean, go hump your little furry brains out, 174 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:33.600 I don't care, go do you? Right? 175 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:37.399 I know, because I was just kind of what do 176 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:41.000 I say to this? But I mean because yeah, like 177 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:43.879 try not to judge sort of thing, right, yeah'sh their own. 178 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:47.200 If everyone's consenting, if no one's being harmed, yeah, fly 179 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:50.759 at it, right as far as I'm concerned. I mean, 180 00:09:51.480 --> 00:09:54.720 you're wearing a mascot costume in the bedroom, right, but 181 00:09:54.759 --> 00:09:57.360 then someone else is wearing a full gimp leather outfit 182 00:09:57.399 --> 00:09:59.799 in the bedroom. It's just hey, everyone has their own 183 00:09:59.840 --> 00:10:02.879 cas Yeah, it's whatever, lie at it totally. 184 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:06.519 So this logistics of that are kind of difficult to understand. 185 00:10:06.600 --> 00:10:10.480 But well, yeah, I would imagine you'd have to stay 186 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:11.320 pretty hydrated. 187 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:13.159 Yeah, that's one thing. 188 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:16.200 I guess the heat exhaustion would be just through the 189 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:20.360 roof unzies. Anyways, this story begins with some people who 190 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:23.720 were in the furry community. So I just needed to 191 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:25.919 paint this full picture so you get the idea of 192 00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:29.720 what a furry is when we're dealing with this. Yeah, 193 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:31.159 and it's one of those things where it's like, if 194 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:33.720 you're going to explain it, you really have to explain it. 195 00:10:34.039 --> 00:10:36.279 Even though like a lot of this, like the sexualization 196 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:38.399 of furries and stuff doesn't really come up in this, 197 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:40.919 you just still need to know what a furry is, right. 198 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:44.639 So anyway, so the story begins with these two individuals. 199 00:10:45.080 --> 00:10:47.879 Their names are Tanya Dillard, who is twenty seven, and 200 00:10:47.919 --> 00:10:52.480 her boyfriend, Jacob Berkhowski. I almost fumbled that. I did 201 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:56.000 fumble it, but almost fucked it up. I caught myself Berkowski, 202 00:10:56.200 --> 00:11:00.879 there's a V in there. Oh okay, yeah, Berkhowski. So anyway, 203 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:04.480 he was twenty four, thank you. So the two live 204 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:08.840 together in Northeast Valley of Las Vegas. They live together 205 00:11:08.879 --> 00:11:11.200 in an apartment, and they were part of the furry 206 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:15.960 community so much so that they were professionally building costumes 207 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:20.559 for commissions for other individuals. Now, when I say professionally, 208 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:23.919 I mean that high end market that really well built, 209 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:27.080 like you're paying big bucks for these costumes. They were 210 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:30.039 good at what they did, and it is very niche 211 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:34.159 market to sell these costumes. But those are those interests 212 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:38.639 are very are generally very as I said, they're niche, 213 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:40.919 but those who are in it, they're in it. 214 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:42.320 And they'll pay top dollar. 215 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:45.440 Yes, okay, So it's no different to say, like, hey, 216 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:48.360 someone who likes Star Wars, hey, they'll buy some Star 217 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:52.960 Wars lego. But someone who likes Star Wars will buy 218 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:58.000 the original freaking Luke's lightsaber that was the flash from 219 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:00.799 the photography thing or whatever. Oh, I just realized you 220 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:05.720 never put up our logo. Oh we'll play it. We 221 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:09.240 won't play it today, whatever, I'm sorry. That's for video anyways. 222 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:11.519 People who are in it will pay top dollar. Like 223 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:14.039 you're saying, it's a very niche market to sell these costumes, 224 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:16.159 but those who are interested will pay. 225 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:17.320 Hey, that makes sense. 226 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:22.240 Yeah, so they made good products and people paid good 227 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:25.360 money for their products. I lost my mouth. Now it's 228 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:28.879 over here. We're so distracted to I'm so sorry. Let's 229 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:29.679 get back control. 230 00:12:29.679 --> 00:12:32.840 Well, the problem was that for our video podcast, we 231 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:36.000 have user logo playing, but we didn't set that up 232 00:12:36.039 --> 00:12:38.720 and now the screen saver changed and that's what made 233 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:40.639 us both be like oh shit, yeah, and. 234 00:12:40.600 --> 00:12:44.120 Then I lost my mouth on the other screens. So anyways, 235 00:12:44.120 --> 00:12:46.879 back on track here. I don't know the materials are 236 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:49.480 supplies they use by any means, but looking at some 237 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:52.159 of the creations they put together online, it's very easy 238 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:55.120 to see that they're very well made. A lot of 239 00:12:55.159 --> 00:12:58.120 skill was taken care and putting these together, and along 240 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:02.039 with this, Tanya was also an incredible artist. To top 241 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:04.840 it all off, there was often posts on their Twitter 242 00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:08.720 page or x which is now what it's called where 243 00:13:08.919 --> 00:13:12.120 she's open for commissions of drawings of like these cartoons, 244 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:15.320 just like their first suits, They're open for commissions or whatever. Right. 245 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:19.320 And the incredible skill level they have is through the 246 00:13:19.399 --> 00:13:24.000 roof their abilities to create, build draw together. They had 247 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:27.360 skills and client tell that they can have a very 248 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:32.000 successful business for years to come. The only problem is 249 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:38.159 being a business owner is not very easy. You don't say, oh, 250 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:42.240 I do say, especially when you are a sole proprietor 251 00:13:42.279 --> 00:13:44.960 of your business. You are a small business, you're the 252 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:49.480 only employee. I mean, you're your own employee. Boss, marketing team, 253 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:55.159 financial advisor, payroll, personnel, social media, marketing team, like human resource, 254 00:13:55.320 --> 00:14:01.080 human resources, health and safety, labor, all of it. Yeah, 255 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:03.799 the stress that comes with it piles up and the 256 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:07.480 list goes on. It's insane. And this is where their 257 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:11.600 downfall began. Along with the stress, Jacob and Tanya were 258 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:16.080 both struggling heavily with mental illness. Now, I did a 259 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:19.399 deep dive on their Twitter or X page. I still 260 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:21.240 call it Twitter. I don't know if people actually call 261 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:24.320 it X but whatever. I did a deep dive on 262 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:26.519 their pages because they are still live, and I found 263 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:30.000 some hosts regarding their mental health So here's one example 264 00:14:30.039 --> 00:14:33.759 from Tanya and her account name is blackcraft Witch. So 265 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:38.039 she posted on November thirteenth, twenty nineteen, I've been in 266 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:42.080 a damn near constant state of overwhelmed. And now from 267 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:47.840 Jacob his account lockjaw Arts from February nineteenth, twenty twenty, 268 00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:51.519 I'm just now posting, but I was in the mental 269 00:14:51.519 --> 00:14:54.879 hospital for a little while. Jax took care of things 270 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:57.080 at home and made sure that the rent was paid 271 00:14:57.080 --> 00:14:59.639 for the last week. Living in this room, barely getting 272 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:03.559 any light was driving me insane and killing my drive 273 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:08.279 to do anything. Now I should clarify Jack's was actually 274 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:14.159 Jacob's pseudonym online. Okay, so that is technically a post 275 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:19.159 from Tanya, but they Tanya did take care of lockjaw 276 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:22.000 arts account for a while. They're Jacob's account for a while, 277 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:25.200 but he had several posts very similar to this as well. 278 00:15:25.720 --> 00:15:29.080 So they are both struggling very heavily with mental illness 279 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:31.799 and this is coming from both accounts, both individuals. 280 00:15:32.279 --> 00:15:34.080 That's really too bad. I just have to say too. 281 00:15:34.120 --> 00:15:39.159 I sometimes think creative people are really creative people sometimes 282 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:43.519 struggle with mental health a bit more kind of can 283 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:45.600 you know, go down that deep hole a bit more. 284 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:48.399 I think so too, And I mean it's honestly, like 285 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:50.480 even if you go back into the ages, because like 286 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:54.399 if you look at Leonardo da Vinci and Michaelangelo, like 287 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:57.360 those guys, like some of them, like, what's the dude 288 00:15:57.360 --> 00:16:03.039 with the one ere the painter? Was that Picasso? No, No, 289 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:05.399 he's not the one I'm thinking of anyways, Like some 290 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:09.720 of them literally went insane, like and I think people 291 00:16:09.799 --> 00:16:11.879 are like that today. And it doesn't help now that 292 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:15.679 when you post your art, maybe if you're a furry, 293 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:18.879 say where you get a lot of hate online, that 294 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:21.240 becomes tenfold. 295 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:22.919 I know, because you can develop a tough skin, but 296 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:25.279 it still does get under there a little bit, it does. 297 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:25.879 It does. 298 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:28.679 So I mean, this is interesting. It's not really something 299 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:31.360 I ever thought about with mental health and creative people, 300 00:16:31.399 --> 00:16:33.919 but it's got I think there's got to be something 301 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:35.159 to it. I'm sure there's stuff. 302 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:38.320 Oh there I agree on And like even us, we've 303 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:41.440 received a hate online a lot for our episodes. We 304 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:44.799 fumble a word or something and people hate on us immediately. 305 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:47.840 It's so easy to be negative towards someone putting themselves 306 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:50.720 out there, and it's hard to put yourself out there, 307 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:53.600 let alone when you get this backlash. So, I mean, 308 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:56.519 that's kind of what they're doing. It's they're trying to 309 00:16:56.559 --> 00:16:59.039 be creative. They're trying to do their art as a business, 310 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:03.039 and sure they're getting some online backlash, but they're certainly 311 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:05.200 dealing with a lot of mental health issues along the way. 312 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:06.480 Yeah. 313 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:10.079 So regardless though, they seem like they were here for 314 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:13.119 each other and through it all. They even had a 315 00:17:13.240 --> 00:17:15.759 dog to go along with it. And then the dog's 316 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:18.599 name was Castile. So Castile seemed to be on their 317 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:21.079 social media feeds on a regular basis and seem to 318 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:24.000 keep them both in quite high spirits. There's posts often 319 00:17:24.039 --> 00:17:26.599 of them like going to the park with Castile, or 320 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:30.400 just like they're vacuuming, for example, inside and Castile's just 321 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:32.160 sitting there just being a good boy in the corner. 322 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:34.519 Is like not being afraid of the vacuum, and they're 323 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:36.119 just like loving the fact that he's just such a 324 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:36.480 good boy. 325 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:39.559 Sort of, Oh my gosh, dogs just bring life. 326 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:41.920 They did. So they're feeding off each other, but they 327 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:44.160 also have Castile there in the corner. They're doing what 328 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:48.839 they can to survive. And yeah, still though no matter 329 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:51.640 how hard. They tried, the struggles continue, and it's spilled 330 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:55.680 into their business and of course other aspects of their life. Now. 331 00:17:55.880 --> 00:18:00.160 Another post from lockjaw Arts on February eighth, twenty twenty 332 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:04.319 reads quote, because rent is due in less than twenty 333 00:18:04.359 --> 00:18:06.559 four hours and I need to raise a total of 334 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:09.519 at least two hundred dollars, I'm going to be accepting 335 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:13.400 Valentine's Day sketches for forty dollars two characters or twenty 336 00:18:13.400 --> 00:18:16.400 five dollars for one character. So I mean that just 337 00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:19.279 goes to show. With twenty four hours to go, they've 338 00:18:19.279 --> 00:18:21.119 got rent to do, and they're putting it out there 339 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:23.200 to their clientele to see if they can do sketches 340 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:26.960 or drawings to make up that money. In the meantime. 341 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:28.279 Dang, they're hustling. 342 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:30.599 They're hustling, and I mean this shows the struggle they're 343 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:32.000 going through, and I'm sure it's a struggle that a 344 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:34.880 lot of people can relate to, which is very sad, 345 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:37.079 but I think it's just the reality of the world 346 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:37.599 that we live in. 347 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:39.799 It's really too bad, actually it is. 348 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:44.319 So things became overwhelming for the two and the later 349 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:47.039 of their posts on their their ex account see I 350 00:18:47.079 --> 00:18:48.799 didn't say either. Oh, there we go. I got it. 351 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:53.680 We're regarding apologies for being so far behind and their 352 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:56.920 commission work that people had already paid them for. It 353 00:18:57.000 --> 00:18:58.799 seems like they were now at the point where they 354 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:02.839 could no longer release stay afloat. They're behind on their 355 00:19:02.839 --> 00:19:08.440 commissions and they're behind on money, so they can't really 356 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:11.160 go out and say like, hey, anyone else want commissions 357 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:11.599 when they have. 358 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:14.720 Commissions to write. That's a tough spot because before I 359 00:19:14.759 --> 00:19:17.680 was like, well that's nice. They have the opportunity to say, 360 00:19:17.799 --> 00:19:20.680 raise the money right for the rent that they were lacking. 361 00:19:20.839 --> 00:19:24.680 But now yeah, they got themselves. Yeah, in a tricky spot. 362 00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:27.759 Well, if you look at that, like, okay, so Valentine's 363 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:30.759 Day sketches forty dollars for two characters, twenty five dollars 364 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:35.000 for one character. Okay, so say they raised the two 365 00:19:35.079 --> 00:19:39.319 hundred dollars they needed forty dollars, So that's forty eighty, 366 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:43.200 one hundred and sixty for four you need you need five. Yeah, 367 00:19:43.359 --> 00:19:47.079 but that's for two characters. So that's ten characters you're sketching, 368 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:52.279 and say that's going to take you, say, four days 369 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:54.920 to draw. But then say you also have regular work. 370 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:58.559 Say you've got to do groceries or whatever, so that 371 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:00.720 four or five days is to take you to draw 372 00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:03.359 might draw out over the course of two weeks, and 373 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:05.359 you already spent that two hundred dollars in your rent 374 00:20:05.559 --> 00:20:08.160 and now you're two weeks behind on groceries. Now you 375 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:09.920 need to make more money, but you're already now two 376 00:20:09.960 --> 00:20:10.880 weeks behind, like it. 377 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:13.480 Just buy Oh gosh, you just gave me anxiety there. 378 00:20:13.599 --> 00:20:15.240 Well, that was kind of the point, because I think 379 00:20:15.319 --> 00:20:19.880 that's the sort of thing that they're going through. So 380 00:20:20.319 --> 00:20:21.960 they were at the part where they could no longer 381 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:27.240 really stay afloat, which is when an idea came to them. 382 00:20:27.319 --> 00:20:30.240 In March of twenty twenty, Jacob and Tanya decided to 383 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:32.359 come up with a plan that would help them out 384 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:38.200 of this financial hole. They created a post on Craigslist 385 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:41.519 to lure a person for them to rob. 386 00:20:42.759 --> 00:20:43.200 Okay. 387 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:47.200 Their solution was to steal in order to have a 388 00:20:47.359 --> 00:20:49.559 tour in order to make ends meet. 389 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:52.880 Dang, I mean, gosh, I just want to be other solutions. 390 00:20:53.240 --> 00:20:57.319 I'm sure there would be, for sure, but this to 391 00:20:57.400 --> 00:21:00.519 them was the solution. And I'm not sure what the 392 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:06.400 ads said exactly, but I'm sure because it was admitted 393 00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:08.279 to later on, but I'm sure it came with the 394 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:12.680 promise of sexual favors and or fantasies or something of 395 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:17.759 the like. Either way, they soon found themselves with their victim. 396 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:20.799 They were the first person who responded to the couple, 397 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:23.319 and this person was a man by the name of 398 00:21:23.319 --> 00:21:27.960 Hector Mendez Hernandez who was forty five years old. So 399 00:21:28.039 --> 00:21:31.920 he talked to the two online and they made plans together. 400 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:36.640 So on Friday, March twenty seventh, Hector picked both James 401 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:39.319