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Speaker 2: Hope Fantasy Hockey Live back once again to see if

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we are taking Fantasy hockey. It's got to be me

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Speaker 1: Victor, how you doing doing great? Jesse? I feel like

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we haven't been on an episode together in a while,

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so it's nice to be back in the saddle together.

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And yeah, definitely want to highlight some of the great

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work that our team is doing. And so that's what

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I'm looking forward to today. How are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great, man, I'm doing great. Recruising a lawn.

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Winter is closing up shop and not too much longer,

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and the listeners are really looking forward to two weeks

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from now when I will no longer whine about the

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Four Nations taking away my ability to set fantasy lineups.

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I'm sure that will be a highlight on everybody's calendars.

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But for right now, a lot of hockey playoffs, a

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lot of basketball playoffs, and I'm in the middle of

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a baseball rookie draft. That I say baseball playoffs, I'm

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in basketball playoffs. Lord knows, Victor, Lord knows. I can't

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even keep myself straight, but you can keep me straight

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and keep each other straight, and keep all the hockey

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talk straight by going into the discord where you can

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Just email us. That's the best thing to do. Fantasy

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Speaker 2: All right, Victor, let's take a break, come back, and

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we've got some special fruits for you today, Victor, it's

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a Scouts to Out edition. I keep telling people at

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the end of every episode about how we have lead scouts,

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and we have scouts, and we have scouting reports, but

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people don't believe me sometimes because we don't hear them

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every week. But by gum, we got a lot of

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great scouting reports from our FHL scouts who are watching

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the video of these prospects and the cool things that

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they've done. And today we're going to have a round

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about half a dozen of them that we're going to

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be going through. First up, Ilia Protash Victor the Washington

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Capital Protash to Electric Boogaloo. He moved from the USHL

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to the OHL this year and he is flourishing in

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that league for the Winsor Spitfire and the Young Belarusian.

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He has notched thirty four goals forty three assists for

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seventy seven points in forty four games in the OHL.

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At last count, that's good for fourth in total points

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in the entire OHL. His team, the Spitfires, are in

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the Western Division with the third most standing points out

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of the twenty teams, so they are doing very well

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for themselves. Like big brother Alexis, if you didn't catch that,

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Ilia is a big, old, tall drink of water. Six

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fives solid, two hundred and one pounds. Ilia is a

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big fella. FHL scout Tony is giving us a scouting

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report on him today and what he says is skating

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probably not the weakest part. Is probably the weakest part

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of his game. Adequate but not fast passing and handling.

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Ilia has quick passes, He anticipates where to go with

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the puck, gets there effectively and quickly shooting good shot,

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able to get a shot away while shielding the puck

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from his opponents. IQ high hockey IQ is spoken of here.

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He's able to anticipate where to go with the puck

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for checking. Saw some Ford checking from Ilia by using

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his size to his advantage. Ilia's defense was good, again

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using his size to his advantage, and I think Ilia's

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best prospect says Tony is his ability to keep the

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puck away from his opponent. The biggest concern with Ilia

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is his skating. It'll need to improve in order for

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him to progress in his career. Top tier would be

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two or two. That's the top outcome Tony could see

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for him. Anticipation, size, good passing, middle six, with power,

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play time. It doesn't want to say that Ilia uses

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his size in the way of hips. He leans on

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people to outposition them, not a ton of Bash. If

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the skating does not improve, then Tony sees more of

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a tier three outcome here. If he does improve other aspects,

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probably fourth line twelve forward, limited playing time, and the

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stylist is comparable. Tony's gonna go with Alexa Protash and

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his final thoughts see he thinks that Washington had drafted

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him just because they see his big brother in him. So, Victor,

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my first question to you is how do you compare

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Ilia Protash to the flourishing Alexa Protash, who we have

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talked about a couple of times on the show, and

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Speaker 1: I compare them by saying their names, No, I compare them,

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I think favorably, right, they have a lot of the

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similar characteristics. They're both huge, which is the first thing

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you'd notice about them is that, and I'm sure that

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was a big attractive piece. I think for Washington we've

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often talked about who scouts well, who drafts well. Washington

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Capitals have routinely been one of the best scouting and

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drafting teams, including their pro scouts, like recognizing guys like

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Dylan Strom that they were able to bring in Peel

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Dubois like they are really smart at what they're doing

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and what they saw in protests. Alexey protests to be

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patient with him and let him develop and flourish into

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the great producer he's been this year. I think that

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was a big part of why they drafted his brother.

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so they were already seeing the signs. They were already

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excited about him. I think that the biggest thing with

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Ilia is that he's really young for this draft cycle,

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and Alexey was not. He was a January birthday, at

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Ilia is a July birthday. He's only six weeks or so,

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maybe seven weeks from being eligible for the next draft,

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which would have been a completely different situation for him.

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So he's still really raw. He was really raw last year.

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He's still figuring out where his body is in space

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and how to use everything to his optimal potential. So

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raw version of him, but he might even have more

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skill and more upside.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. Yeah, I've seen discussion our scout aside the

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Big Fellow is not the fastest skater. That could be

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a weakness of his. But is his movement going to

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think the biggest concern everyone talks about is that, Yeah,

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for sure, the skating is not pretty, But one of

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the biggest things for both Protashes and especially for Ilia,

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is that he's really smart. He's where he needs to be.

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not a good skater, you need to be able to

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see the play where it's heading and get there ahead

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of the puck. And he can do that already, at

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least at the OHL level. He could do it at

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the USHL level. He could do it at the OHL level.

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I would imagine that he can. I imagine that he's

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going to be able to learn a lot from his

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and because he's a little bit more raw and young,

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he might be able to make greater strides than even

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Speaker 2: Okay, So ultimately, upside for this guy. Do you see

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it about the same as Tony maybe a middle sixer,

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or is there more to him than that.

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Speaker 1: I still think that there's more upside in Ilia than

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his brother. Of course, there's also a wider range of possibilities.

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the funnel, so the range of outcomes is much wider.

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He could end up being, yeah, just a third line winger,

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but I think he has a potential to get even

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more if people aren't aware of what Alexai is doing

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this year seventy point pace, twenty two goals, twenty four assists,

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and fifty four games, just looking great. He's had some

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ups and downs, but overall he's put it all together. There.

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not realize is that he doesn't really hit and Ilia

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doesn't either, So they're both really good at using their frame,

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but they don't really separate players from the puck. They

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don't use their physicality that way, but they do a

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really good job of you just can't get the puck

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away from them. They use their frame to get their

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hands and use that use their skill essentially, So they

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use their frame to accentuate their skill, not to punish

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other players or separate them from the puck. That's not

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really their game, which is a more effective translatable game anyways.

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but I think Ilia has even more skill. And I

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remember saying at the draft, Oh, that's cool that Washington

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took him brothers in the same system. They probably saw something.

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They probably saw some of the potential that Alexa has,

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and think that Ilia could reach even higher heights because

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he's so young and raw. And I still think that's

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Speaker 2: Yes, Indeed, Victor, I don't know if you ever watched Seinfeld,

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but there was a character named Frank Costanza on there.

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George's dad and I never forget the episode where he said.

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Speaker 1: Are you telling me there's not one condo available in

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all of del Boca Vista?

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Speaker 2: And the way that he said it is the way

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that I like to say. Luca del bell Blues's name

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Luca del Bell Blues. And today he is the comparison

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to Ilia Protas and the Mason Black NHL ranking pole.

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Ilia Protas wins handily over Luca del Bell Blouse third

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sixty one, two thirty nine percent, Victor, Is that how

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you would rank these two?

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Speaker 1: I think so. It's interesting because del Bell Balous was

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really Yeah, he was an interesting player back in that

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twenty twenty two draft, drafted kind of the early mid

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second round and thought that there was a good amount

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of upside there. He'd been really good in the AHL,

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then he seemed like he stalled out a little bit,

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and then he had a really good transition to the

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AHL on this season, playing a few more NHL games

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than I thought he would. He's been a point per

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game in the AHL, so over a point per game actually,

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so good to give him an opportunity, But once you

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know it, Columbus is just too good right now to

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have to give him too much of an opportunity. I'm

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not sure that we would have thought that coming into

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the season. So you love to see that from Del

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Bull Blues. I think he has really turned things around

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a little bit. But I still think that I would

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go with Ilia Protash. I think that his upside, at

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least right now, he's a little bit raw and has

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more upside. Although if you look at at the trajectory

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and the fact that Del Bell Blues is basically NHL

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ready now, that might that might dip the scales if

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it really helps to help to get guys that are

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ready to contribute. Now, I would definitely want Del Bell

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Blues more than Ilia Protash. But if all things are

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considered equal and you're willing to wait, I think I

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would wait on Ilio Protosh. Actually, Jesse, what about you?

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now because I'm trying to pry Del Bell Balooes away

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from somebody in a league, and it's been more difficult

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the second line right now. They've really moved him up

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in the absence of some other players. So I have

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some trouble. I like Del Bell Baloues, but it's really hard.

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the OHL is hard to ignore. It's really more of

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a it looks like we've got X versus we might

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have why so, but I wouldn't mind getting either one

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of these guys victory. That's for dang sure. I probably

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right now, for some reason, I want to say Del

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Bell Baloes, but maybe that's just my instinct of always

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wanting to be pessimistic about Capital's prospects.

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Speaker 1: It's the Frank Costanza and you Del Bell Blues all right,

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Victor Victor Eckland, It's all Victors all the way down.

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Speaker 2: Victor Eckland is our next prospect to discuss, and we've

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got two consecutive little brothers on scout stout. Victor is,

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of course, William Eckland's younger brother. It seems a slam

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dunk top ten prospect in all the public rankings for

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the twenty twenty five NHL Draft at last check, eleven goals,

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nine assists in thirty two games in the Al Svenskin.

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Of course ober in Sweden, he chipped in six points

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in seven games in Sweden's World Junior's run that was

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good for third best among draft eligible players in the tournament.

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And of course, just the specifics, he's a five to

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eleven left winger. Victor Sasha was our scout.

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Speaker 1: On this one.

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Speaker 2: Victor Eckland left winger he is. In terms of skating,

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it's a strong part of his game. Eckland has done

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good skating technique and edgework efficiently, moves around the ice,

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uses speed, has the ability to slow down his pace

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to match line made or speed up quickly to open

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up lanes. His speed allows him to be a dog

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on the puck in for check, often the f one

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in offensive zone schemes. Skating is one of his strengths

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and will only get better as it gains musculature in

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his lower half in the next few years. Passing and

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handling really great set of hands, awesome vision on display

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during the World Juniors. Loves to dictate pace and will

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often take an orthodox line in order to open up

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space for teammates. Passing ability doesn't fall off even at

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full speed or under pressure or in a cycle, which

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is why it's so translatable to the NHL. He can

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handle it all in his hands or bred better than

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his brother, says Sasha. Shooting loves to shoot the puck,

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not necessarily in the lead shot, but good enough to

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be able to place it where he wants, beat goalies

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and tight. As he gets stronger, that's the common theme.

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and in tight. He's often the net front or bumper

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guy on the power play. Loves to drive the net

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uses shot in the same way Zach Benson did. IQ

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cerebral player is Eckland and rarely panics with the puck.

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So many times Victor Eckland has come off the wall

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with pressure in the D zone, wills his way to

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a breakour outlet pass, anticipates the play well in the

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offensive zone, involved in cycles. One of the better board

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players in the draft. Off puck movements and his scanning

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habits are top notch. Only adds to his package for checking.

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Sasha sees him is one of the best four checkers

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in regard to high skilled players in this draft class. Again,

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smaller player, there's big time Zach Benson vibes from Eckland

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in his four checking game. His angles not a lot

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to hate there either. Defense, Sasha has no concerns. The IQ,

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the ford checking and the motor are all high end

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and play out in the defense the best asset, then

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the raw skill, the high end motor. The biggest concern

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is size. He's overall tracking to be a top six

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winger in his best outcome, who can play the full

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two hundred feet of ice. A grittier, higher motor version

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of his brother is Sasha's call. That's because there's too

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much IQ and off puck habits that stick out while

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adding a very intriguing rows skill package to the mix

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and the media outcome a bottom six role player with

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a punch size and weight on ideal, but he's got

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the foundation to be a high motor, smart scoring bottom

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six winner. And again the stylistic comparable once again is

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Zach Benson, So Victor, same first question as last time.

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Compare and contrast William Ecklund and Victor Ecklund.

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Speaker 1: I think Sasha nailed it. Actually, a grittier, higher motor

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version of his brother. That's really what you should think of,

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as William as Victor Ecklund. He is exactly that. He's

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really fast. His motor just NonStop. He's like he's breathing

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down opponents next. That's what's allowing him to play at

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really high levels as such a young player. I know,

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it's just a hockey el spenskin, but it is still

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a pretty high level for such a young player to

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playing at. And he is a little bit older for

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this draft class, so that's helped him a little bit,

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but he's still an eighteen year old playing in the hockey.

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Heals fen skin. One of the things that you might

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be wondering is does that actually translate to more priffs.

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The answer is yes, absolutely. William right now is a

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guy who paces more for maybe half hit per game,

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maybe a little bit more, maybe three quarters of a

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hit per game. But Victor so far is one of

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these guys who looks like he might be closer to

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a two hit per hit game kind of a guy,

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and so that's pretty nice. He also shoots closer to

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three times per game, and he blocks a fair amount,

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so he Victor act then looks like he might be

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a bit more of a bash dream and part of

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this is based on his ice time. Which isn't even

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that exciting considering the numbers that he's putting in so

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far in the hockey heals fen skin. You like to

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see that, and you know that with more time on

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ice he can actually get a little bit more. I

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think that in general you can just think of him

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as having a little bit more grit, better peripheral content,

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peripheral coverage, and in terms of the scoring, I think

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that the upside is actually similar. I've long said that

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I think William can be a seventy ish point player

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with enough support around him, and we're starting to see that.

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Currently is on a sixty three point pace. He just

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lost Granlind and they might he might even lose some

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more players from the Sharks. So he's got CELEBRAINI, He's

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got will Smith who's coming along. He's got some really good,

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good players there. So I think that he will continue

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to improve. And I think that Victor's upside is maybe

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even a little bit more than that. So maybe in

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that seventy seventy five ish I think he could probably

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touch point per game in the right situation. But he's

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going to have a better peripheral floor, which will be

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really nice and easier to roster.

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Speaker 2: That's fascinating, Victor. You're talking about all these hits. You

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got me excited. Man. What I was hearing from Sasha

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was he does a lot of that gritty want type stuff.

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Makes me think this guy could be like a blueser

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Flyers type guy, even though he's a little bit smaller.

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But also that Sasha said he's not fully grown into

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his body, like there's more strength coming for this guy.

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So I'm trying to I'm trying to reconcile that all

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in my head, Victor, is is there more physicality coming

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here or is that something that's you don't see the

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same as what Sasha says in terms of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to say. Right now. Victor is the

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same height and ten pounds lighter or sorry, twenty pounds

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lighter than William. And we have seen a huge improvement

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from William in terms of protecting the puck and in

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terms of his physicality and ability to retain possession in

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the offensive zone on the fore check. So we're seeing

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that play out a little bit, and you have to

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imagine the frame and the end weight is going to

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be similar for Victor. So yes, I think that it

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could get even better because even though he is dog

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on a bone and really good on the fore check, Yeah,

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it seems like he might even be able to be

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much better at that once he gains a little bit

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more muscle and strength. So definitely, And how high is

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the upside Victor. I think he's still in that seventy

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ish point range, but I think there might be upside

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for even more in terms of fantasy value, just because

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the perferal floor is going to be so much higher.

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I think in many ways, you might think more of

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Vincent Trochech type, right, a guy who I don't know

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that Victor is going to be a center in the NHL.

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But in terms of that type of production where you

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just you get a lot of priffs, you get steady production.

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There's some seasons that you're touching a little bit higher

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point pace and some that are a little bit lower,

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but you're always relatively happy because there's a strong peripheral floor.

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Whereas with William I think that there's a lot more

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variability in that because he's a little harder to roster

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in those leagues where you don't get as much for

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where you reward those peripheral stats as much and you're

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just relying more on the points for William ecklumb. I

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think Victor will be how more value just because of

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that strong, per full form, but I think the points

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will probably be similar seventy ish, probably touched seventy five

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or more in certain seasons.

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Speaker 2: All right, Victor. The comparison this time is going to

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be Victor Eckland up against prosper or draft eligible Roger McQueen,

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who is an eighteen year old forward with the Brandon

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Wheat Kings, and McQueen nudges out Victor Eckland fifty one

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to forty nine percent, Victor. Is that how you would

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rank these two?

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Speaker 1: I think so. It's been a little hard to know

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because McQueen has been injured most of this season. He's

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only played eight games for Brandon, eleven points in those

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eight games. He has the rare combination of size and skill.

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Does McQueen a lot of people dry in comparisons to

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like a Quinin Byfield who was just really big and

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needed to fill out but had so much ross skill.

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The big difference here is that McQueen is really old

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for this draft class, just like Victor Ecklund is, and

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he's an October second birthday, so he has a little

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bit more physical maturity. But we just haven't seen enough.

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I think a lot of people are tantalized by the

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package and the upside of McQueen, and I think it

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is there. So I think if I was drafting in

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the five or six spot of this year's draft and

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I had a choice, I probably would go McQueen, just

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because the points upside is so much higher. But I

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wouldn't be upset if I was. If I had Ecklun

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left to me or he fell to me, I'd be

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pretty happy with that. So I think this poll is

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representing an almost even split, and that's how I see it.

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But I would lean McQueen.

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Speaker 2: Lean McQueen. All right, Victor. Next, we've got Emil Hemming.

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One of my theories for late fantasy rookie draft picks

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Victor is just to take whoever. Jim niltook very cold

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Emil Hemming. He's a right winger. He seems to be

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holding up his end of the deal in his first

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year moving from his native finland of North America.

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Speaker 1: I took him.

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Speaker 2: I think like second or third round picks in drafts

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last year. He's the end of a first round pick.

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His stats in North America now in the OHL thirteen goals,

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twenty two assists for thirty five points in forty three games.

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That doesn't jump out, does it? Thirty five points in

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forty three games and that's fine? But what But he's

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got ten points in his most recent five games. As

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we prepped this episode, he is Heat team up and

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he scored four points in the tournament including the World Juniors.

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That is, including a goal and assist in the semi

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final overtime upset of Finland over Sweden. When it came

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most important meal, Heming came up. Big Jeremy are our

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lead scout, right, Jeremy says this of a meal Hemming

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of the stars skating good skater, shows flashes of speed,

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flashes of speed, but his agility is the most impressive thing.

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He has quick stop start for a big guy, uses

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that change of direction to win battles in tight spaces.

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Passing and handling good puck handling skills, rarely loses The

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puck passing envision could use some improvement, as he often

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works himself into situations with no options. Many of US

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assists this year are him losing a pucket. His teammate

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picking it up or just secondary assists shooting. It's a

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nice shot calling card, but not all world. He's got

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both a quick release and a powerful one timer. The

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IQ is mentioned above. The panic meter may be a

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bit too low. He can stick handle in a phone booth,

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but sometimes holds on until he's out of options, leading

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to a turnover or useless pass.

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Speaker 1: Off the puck.

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Speaker 2: His offensive movement is incredible. He's always lurking somewhere open

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and with a strong playmaking talent, he could really blossom

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for checking. Jeremy wishes himing for checked a little bit harder.

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He constantly applies what you could consider light pressure, the

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type on three. He doesn't over commit, but rarely forces

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the issue or creates turnovers with his speed and size.

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Jeremy thinks this needs to be worked on defense. Is

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defensive zone play and position was fine forward, nothing special,

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but not a wart best asset. Then ability to find

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soft spots on offense, and the biggest concerned consistency. A

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lot of times it felt like he was planing at

476
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half speed or disappearing from games when he had the

477
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puck on his stick. He was electric, but might frustrate coaches.

478
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And fans. Jeremy sees the top outcome for Emil Heming

479
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as a seventy ish point scoring winger. That's if he

480
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,160
finds some consistency and elevates his secondary skills, he could

481
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make an impact for an NHL team. Luckily, Dallas is

482
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a team that won't need to rush him through the

483
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miners and the median outcome complimentary middle six, power play

484
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,200
two piece. None of the skills are elite, so Jeremy

485
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,759
thinks that outcome is to slowly work his way into

486
00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:50,519
a lineup at Flashes but ultimately not be a star.

487
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,240
Style is the comparable here Connor Garland and some final thoughts,

488
00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:57,519
Jeremy was surprised to learn he was six to two.

489
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He definitely gets worked over on the boards and in

490
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,039
front of the net pretty often, and this is only

491
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,880
the Ohl and not against the big guys he'll see

492
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,960
in the NHL Victor. I still don't think you can

493
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,640
go bust betting on Jim Nil. I'm not saying that

494
00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:15,000
this is a repeat of the Logan Steankhoven White Johnson

495
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,400
type coup that was pulled off a couple of years

496
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,599
ago by the Stars, but is Emil Heming going to

497
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,759
develop into a future NHL contributor.

498
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. I think that's the bottom line.

499
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And you also have to remember that he was really

500
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,680
good in that world. Junior's playing a really secondary role

501
00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:36,400
to Casper Halton and who was just hammering those one

502
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,279
time pucks. As funny he is. Hearing is interesting hearing

503
00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:43,480
interviews with the opponents who were out there trying to

504
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,119
defend that and there, even though he didn't score that much,

505
00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:50,240
it was terrorizing just knowing he was over there ready

506
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,680
and Heming is the guy who can play that role,

507
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,759
but he didn't get to because Helton, and so he

508
00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:58,359
should be able to play that role next year for Finland.

509
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,559
That'll be really interesting. He does have a great shot.

510
00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:02,960
I totally agree with what Jeremy said, he really needs

511
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,319
to work on his off puck game and the rest

512
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,839
of his game. But I also agree this is someone

513
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,680
that I highlighted as a really good late round pick

514
00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:14,319
and I think he has really strong potential to be

515
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,400
a contributor moving forward. And yes, Dallas has done a

516
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:22,920
really good job drafting. Interesting though the numbers suggest that

517
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,359
Dallas isn't really good in terms of quantity of draft picks.

518
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,720
In terms of producing NHL's especially in the later rounds.

519
00:27:29,759 --> 00:27:31,599
But they're really good at hitting in their mid rounds

520
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,680
with high upside guys, and I think he's one of them.

521
00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 2: It's six two ninety six. The guy's got size. But

522
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,000
Jeremy was very hesitant to endorse that physicality. Could him

523
00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:45,160
mean be a power forward because of course we would

524
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,759
love to get that sweet bash Victor.

525
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:50,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think he plays that way. That is

526
00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:53,519
definitely something to think about. And I'm looking at his

527
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,920
Fantasy Hockey Life player card where you can look at

528
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,920
all this information yourself. You don't have to take my

529
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,400
word for it. And he's about average for his He

530
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,200
shoots a fair amount, and that's the thing is that

531
00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:06,640
he really is more of a sniper shooter. That is

532
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:12,279
his main goal, main attribute is his shot, and he

533
00:28:12,319 --> 00:28:16,240
does shoot right now for Barry anyways, he's shooting two

534
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,720
point six times a game with eighteen minutes time on ice,

535
00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:21,680
so he does a fair amount of that. He hits Okay,

536
00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:24,680
he's got point eight nine hits per game, so that's

537
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,559
a little bit better than an average player in the

538
00:28:27,599 --> 00:28:30,119
OHL does. But I don't know that you're really going

539
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,920
to get that full physical power forward type, like he's

540
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,200
not a Jamie benn in training, if that's you know

541
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,480
where we're looking at. But he does. He is more

542
00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:41,359
of that shooter. He's probably closer to Jason Robertson than

543
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,920
anything in terms of that prototype. I don't think the

544
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,119
upside is the same, but that's more where we're thinking

545
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,960
with Emil Hemming, not that big, bruising power forward.

546
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and what is the ultimate upside here?

547
00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to say. Because he's gone from a

548
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,480
more difficult league where he didn't have as much of

549
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:02,119
a role to having more of a role on an

550
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,599
OHL team. You'd really want to see much more point production.

551
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,119
Although you mentioned the recent production. I think it can

552
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,559
often take a fair bit of time to adjust to

553
00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:14,799
the OHL or to the North American game. I really

554
00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:16,799
am eager to see what he does next year. I

555
00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:20,119
think that's going to be a big telling point for him.

556
00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:22,000
But I do think he's probably more of a middle

557
00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:25,720
six forward who should have a role on the power play,

558
00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:29,400
especially with that shot, and that's enough to earn him

559
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,920
top power play time and probably more like a fifty

560
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,839
to sixty point upside depends on how much he rounds

561
00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:36,839
out the rest of his game, whether those assists can

562
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,440
push him much past that.

563
00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: Yep, Victor. Let's talk about the NHL ranking. Mason Black

564
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,240
trademark is patented. Comparable that went out for voting on

565
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:54,480
the internets. Emil Heming versus Lenny Hamina Ho, Oh my goodness,

566
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,839
why does it all mean? Finis iman ahole hemanna ho.

567
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,960
Let's do that. Let's make that a drop. Who would

568
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,759
you rather have on your team? The people have spoken

569
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,640
and Emil Heming came out ahead, fifty four point five

570
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:11,440
to forty five point five. Victor, Is that how you

571
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:12,880
would rank these two?

572
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,599
Speaker 1: I do think it's close, and I do think that

573
00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:20,039
this kind of represents more what I'm thinking. I like

574
00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:24,920
Haminajo's strong production in the Iliga, which is a really

575
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,000
low production league, So at this point I would probably

576
00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:30,400
take Hamanaho. I think he's you know, he's much closer

577
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,319
to being NHL ready. He has shown some pretty good

578
00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:37,000
production thirty eight points in forty five LEGA games this season,

579
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:39,440
thirty one and forty six last year. I wrote about

580
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,720
him Eddip Ringside as being one of the top young

581
00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:45,039
producers in the Liga. Last year. He's only doubled down

582
00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:47,599
on that and done even better this year, so I

583
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,599
like to see that. I still think both these guys

584
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,759
are more likely middle six. Hamanaho has more of a

585
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:54,799
B game, so I like that for him, he has

586
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,720
more of a playmaking game in addition to his scoring

587
00:30:57,799 --> 00:31:00,680
and some physicality, so I think they He has more

588
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:03,440
things that he can lean on to be a more

589
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,200
consistent NHL player, and Heming has a little bit more

590
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,680
to work on. But I think these guys are similar

591
00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:12,039
as the pole suggests, but I would lean Jaminajo instead

592
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:12,720
of Heming.

593
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,519
Speaker 2: Mean no, all right, while I keep repeating that to myself,

594
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:34,839
let's take a brief break. What picture we'll buy? And

595
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:37,519
boy did we have a couple of exciting guys in

596
00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:41,160
the second half of the show, especially at the blue

597
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:46,279
line end. Alexander Nikisha is our first guy to talk about.

598
00:31:46,319 --> 00:31:49,519
If you wanted to argue Nikishan's the best defenseman prospect

599
00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:52,319
not to have yet debuted in the NHL, I don't

600
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:56,119
think anybody's gonna call you crazy. Partly it may be

601
00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:58,519
because there's not too many more, too many twenty three

602
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:02,039
year old demon who spend in two years captaining a

603
00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:06,400
glory franchise in maybe the second best hockey league in

604
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,240
the world of the KHL. Reasonable minds may vary on that,

605
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:13,960
but in any event, Nikishan thirteen goals, twenty two assists

606
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,960
thirty five points in forty seven games this year in

607
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:21,640
the k He's huge six ' four. His KHL contract

608
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,359
is about to run out. There's discussion that he could

609
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:29,039
even be over this season. The Canes could use him.

610
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,000
Patrick is our scout on the scene and says this

611
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,079
about the Kine defenseman. Nikishin skating size and efficient stride

612
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,480
contribute to a plus skill that allows him to be

613
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:43,279
at the right place at the right time. He's practiced

614
00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:46,960
using crossovers at the blue line in the offensive zone.

615
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:51,440
Passing and handling smart and efficient. He makes one touch

616
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,119
passes the teammates and can transport the puck through the

617
00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:58,400
neutral zone. Shooting, Nikishon has a booming slap shot from

618
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,240
the blue line and could sneak down load to get

619
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:04,960
rist shots. Iq doesn't panic when under pressure. He maintains

620
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,960
control and gets out of trouble or makes a good

621
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:09,799
pass to a teammate. He reads the play well on

622
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,000
offense and defense. For checking, he will mainly stay at

623
00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:16,640
the blue line, but occasionally come down along the boards

624
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:19,519
to keep the play going or get a scoring opportunity.

625
00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:24,240
Defense Nikishan's size, vision and skating go hand in hand

626
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,920
to make him a good defender. He cuts off plays.

627
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,880
There's times when he relies too much on his stick

628
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,960
to reach and poke for the puck rather than get

629
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,960
it in close and using his body to close the

630
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,920
forward off or separate them from the puck. Best asset

631
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,640
hockey IQ is the best asset. It's an asset on

632
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,519
the offensive and defensive side of the game. His size

633
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:50,440
and skating ability enhance the IQ. The biggest concern I

634
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,519
know he's not playing as much offensively, says says Patrick,

635
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,839
but that may be why Patrick didn't see as much

636
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,720
on the offensive side. Solid underwhelming the top tier outcome

637
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,640
top pair defenseman. The question is if he'll be thirty

638
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:10,119
point or fifty point type justification the skill set With

639
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,320
that he will find a way to adapt to NHL

640
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,960
play and be solid that provides enough to be top

641
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,239
pair median outcome at the very least Patrick's he's a

642
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,199
second pair defenseman with less offense. If the offense doesn't

643
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:25,320
translate gets less opportunity, he's going to produce less stylistic comparable.

644
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,639
We're going with Matias Ekholm here. The two way ability

645
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,360
is pretty comparable to ech Holm, but hopefully Nikisha will

646
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,000
be able to translate the offense and be better in

647
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:39,599
that aspect. Victor, I ask you, if Nikisha arrives this

648
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,199
year for Carolina, what do you expect he's going to

649
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:42,880
be right away?

650
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: I expect he's going to be awesome. That's what I

651
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,840
expect him to be. He is so good, he's so big.

652
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,280
He's been the captain of SKA already for the last

653
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,880
two seasons, and he's been playing big minutes. For the

654
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,400
last couple of seasons, he was scoring more. They did

655
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,840
have him more of an offensive role. This year he's

656
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,000
been in a more all situations role. His ice time

657
00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:13,199
continues to grow, even if a slight less of it

658
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,960
is that on the power play he is getting more

659
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,719
and more shorthanded time. He's getting more of the more

660
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:24,000
difficult minutes, and previously some of his secondary assists were

661
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,119
a little bit higher. I don't think you should worry

662
00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:28,280
too much about the scoring. He's still going to score

663
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,800
a lot and he is really good. I think the

664
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,079
fact that he's coming most likely coming over, he's gonna

665
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:38,079
insert himself. They're going to insert him right on to

666
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:41,119
one of those top lines. I think it's going to

667
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:43,519
be interesting to see what they decide to do, because

668
00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:47,280
Gossipspear has been fine in that role. I don't think

669
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,360
they're going to throw him on the power play right away.

670
00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:52,639
The left side is pretty pretty good. I think that

671
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,800
he can play either side. He might bump like a

672
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,800
Jalen Chatfield out of the lineup, depending on what they

673
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,599
decide to do, but I'm pretty sure that he is

674
00:35:59,639 --> 00:36:03,039
going to to be playing big minutes. I don't think

675
00:36:03,039 --> 00:36:04,639
they're going to shy away from using him. This is

676
00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:07,199
not a guy who's gonna need to applicate acclimate to

677
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,880
the fast beat of the game. He's already playing at

678
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,440
the highest level. I think he's going to be awesome.

679
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,920
He has been a bash master. When you look at

680
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,840
his bash, his shots, his hits, his blocks, everything has

681
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,519
been excellent. He's in the ninetieth percentile of everything. So

682
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,760
even if he only scores at a thirty to forty

683
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,920
point pace, which I think is an extremely low bar

684
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,519
from him, he's going to be really valuable. I think

685
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:34,400
more likely even without a ton of power play time.

686
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,920
He's going to be in the forty plus range with

687
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:39,960
upside of fifty to sixty if he does get that

688
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,800
power play time. So yeah, Nikishin's gonna be awesome. The

689
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,280
hype is real. I think you should be buying into it.

690
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 2: See now, you it's just in the old days, Victor,

691
00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:54,760
a fifty point defenseman. Felt it felt good. It felt

692
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,280
like that was a pretty good defenseman, all things being equal.

693
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,639
But now we're spoiled Victor. We got Adam Fox, we

694
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,880
got Eric Carlson's, we got what used to be Eric Carlson.

695
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:07,320
We got these defensemen who can score almost a point

696
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:07,599
per game.

697
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:08,679
Speaker 1: We got Quinn Hughes.

698
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: So it sounds like Nikishin isn't that kind of a guy.

699
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,599
That's not where we're going with this guy. This guy

700
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:18,119
is more like, boy, if you got just sixty some year,

701
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,400
you'd be pretty thrilled about it. Is that? Am I

702
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:22,320
reading you right here?

703
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:28,079
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think the reality is that Alexander Nikkeishin is

704
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,159
more like peak alex Petrangelo type where he was putting up.

705
00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:38,239
He had sixty point seasons, a high forties, fifties and sixty,

706
00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:41,920
but offense wasn't really what they needed him to do.

707
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:45,880
There's probably going to be a better offensive defenseman than Nikishin,

708
00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:49,400
but it's also very much within his skill set, so

709
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,360
it really depends on how the coach wants to use him.

710
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,679
Remember there were many years where Petangelo ran the top

711
00:37:53,679 --> 00:37:56,639
power play and he got twenty two power play points.

712
00:37:56,679 --> 00:37:58,599
This last season in Saint Louis, he was in the

713
00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:01,920
high teens. Several times he had twenty six onths. Nikishin

714
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,760
can absolutely do that. He has a bomb from the

715
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,239
power play. He's not the most dynamic and creative at

716
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,639
walking the line, but he's really strong defensively. I think

717
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,559
in a lot of situations, teams like having a really

718
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,599
strong stout defender, good skater back there in case something

719
00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:21,480
goes sideways and he's that. It might depend a little

720
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,920
bit on usage, but I think he's going to play

721
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:26,199
huge minutes. His bash is going to be high, and

722
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,039
his floor of points is going to be very high.

723
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,440
I'm just not sure that the peak is going to hit.

724
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,239
Like you said, I don't think he's a His peak

725
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,400
is what Eric Carlson's is, or even if you want

726
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,199
to go another angle, look at what Lane Hudson is doing.

727
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:43,360
He is not Lane Hudson. His upside for points is

728
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,039
not what Lane Hudson's is. I think Hudson has point

729
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:49,679
per game plus upside. What he's doing as a rookie

730
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,079
this year is incredible. But Lane Hudson is also not

731
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:54,000
going to play twenty six minutes a night and be

732
00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:56,880
out there in all situations. That's just not who he is.

733
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,960
But he's going to get all the power play time

734
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,119
and also probably not provide a ton in terms of prifs.

735
00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:04,960
Nikishin is the opposite of that.

736
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 2: The NHL ranking Mason Black's poll pits Alexander Nikishin versus

737
00:39:11,519 --> 00:39:15,360
young phenom Zane Perrek pick number nine last year of

738
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,159
the Calgary Flames, who's now playing with the saganaw spirit

739
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:23,440
in scoring out the wazoo and the people like Perek

740
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:26,559
Victor the mister Nikishan, the twenty three year old captain

741
00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:30,480
of Scott Saint Pete is forgotten. Maybe that means Parrek

742
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:34,320
is more offensive because of what we've seen from him offensively.

743
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:36,079
What do you make of it? Fifty seven?

744
00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:39,079
Speaker 1: I think this depends a lot on what kind of

745
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:41,760
league you're in, right. I think that if the Bash

746
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,360
is really highly counted, and or I have leagues that

747
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,360
count time on ice, the tidy that rewards time on

748
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:53,000
ice and play driving Fenwick takeaways, things like that. I

749
00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:55,800
think in that situation there's a good case to be

750
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,159
made why Nikisha might be more valuable. The floor is

751
00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:03,840
just so high. The ceiling is also fairly high. But

752
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,159
I think in most leagues, especially if you're focused more

753
00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:08,480
on scoring, I think you got to go with zame PreK.

754
00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:11,719
I think Zamee PreK has Eric Carlson like upside. I

755
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,880
think he's probably more in the mold of Quinn Hughes,

756
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:18,000
who's a little bit smaller defender, great offensively, but his

757
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:19,960
defense is underrated, and I think he can be a

758
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:25,039
number one defenseman who commands power play time. This is PreK,

759
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,519
but I don't think his prefs are going to be

760
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:31,239
as good, anywhere near as good as Nikishin's. So the

761
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,440
floor is just so much higher, and it depends a

762
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:38,199
little bit on the situation, but overall, you're gonna want

763
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,480
both these guys. Another one of these guys you want

764
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,320
to be out on. Looking at the player card on

765
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,960
Fantasy Akai for PreK, you can see that he's one

766
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,039
hundred percent tile for shots, He's thirtieth percentile for hits

767
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:53,960
and tenth percentile for blocks, so his bash is well

768
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,559
above average. But that's only because of the hits. The

769
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:01,400
blocks and shots are very low for Zamee PreK, whereas Nikishin,

770
00:41:02,199 --> 00:41:05,159
He's just gonna hit, block and shoot all the time,

771
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:06,920
and you're gonna be really happy with that, and you're

772
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,559
gonna have a strong floor. So it might depend slightly

773
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:13,320
on your league for most formats. I'm actually pretty happy

774
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,719
with Nikishin. In certain formats that reward more scoring, I

775
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,239
would probably lean Breck Okay Victor.

776
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,599
Speaker 2: We got a big one. Now we talked about Nikishan,

777
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,440
let's talk about Axel sandin Pelica, another strong contender for

778
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,920
the best defenseman not yet in the National Hockey League.

779
00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:33,559
ASP was a beast at the World Junior as the

780
00:41:33,639 --> 00:41:37,079
captain of the Swedish side. Seven goals, six assists for

781
00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:40,719
thirteen points in ten games, twenty five points in thirty

782
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,440
four games in the Man's League of the SHL. There's

783
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,159
been discussion of his coming to the NHL sooner than later.

784
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,039
I actually went to the SAHL site to try to

785
00:41:50,119 --> 00:41:53,440
read the calendar and when the games wrap up for

786
00:41:53,519 --> 00:41:56,400
the Sahl's this season. It looks like the regular season

787
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,159
scheduled to end in mid March, and I'm not clear

788
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,800
whether his is good enough to make the playoffs there

789
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,800
in sixth right now anyway, Grant has this scouting report

790
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,159
to say about Axel Sandeine Pellica, of course the Red

791
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:12,599
Wings right shot d. He is a deceptive skater with

792
00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:16,199
a sharp turning radius that allows him to separate while

793
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:18,639
with or without the puck. Not a burner by any means,

794
00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:20,920
but he can carry the puck with speed and make

795
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,079
high quality plays. He probably needs some work on his

796
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:27,000
turns to the outside well on defense, but other than that,

797
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,159
he's very strong on his skates and overall is a

798
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:33,519
plus passing and handling. He's a player you trust to

799
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:35,840
pass in the difficult spots on the ice, whether that's

800
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,960
right in front of his own net or is the

801
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:41,599
last man back. Very versatile on the power play. He

802
00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:44,400
can quarterback as well as play the wall or the bumper.

803
00:42:44,519 --> 00:42:47,880
Excellent passer, stick handles like a forward. He has very

804
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,800
good feet to kick the puck up to his stick

805
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,920
or take passes with shooting. It took a few games

806
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,519
of watching him for Grant to discover that excellent one timer.

807
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,599
A nineteen year old kid who plays with men in

808
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:02,559
the essay, and he's the players set up for one

809
00:43:02,599 --> 00:43:05,159
timers on the power play on the left side of

810
00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:08,639
the ice. He has a good quick snapshot, can slap

811
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:12,000
the puck when given time and space, has a knack

812
00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:13,599
for getting the puck through to the neck from the

813
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:17,519
blue line and axel Sandy Pelica sees the ice very well,

814
00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:20,679
both offensively and defensively. He sees gaps in the offensive

815
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,119
zone that few defenders see. As per my previous comment,

816
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,079
his panic poised threshold is excellent. He relied heavily and

817
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,599
relied on heavily in his own end for the fore checking.

818
00:43:31,679 --> 00:43:34,039
He's not a big guy five to eleven, but he's

819
00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:36,440
very strong on his skates, very strong with his stick,

820
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,360
rarely gets pushed off the puck and the defense probably

821
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,719
the weaker part of his game, but still a strength.

822
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,280
He can lose his gap control at times. Is prone

823
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,280
to being beaten on that outside, but he recovers well.

824
00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:51,119
He is very strong in front of the net and

825
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:53,760
in puck battle. See rarely is going to hurt you,

826
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,320
and his best asset is ability to move the puck

827
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,480
to an open teammate, get into open spots on the

828
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,199
ice to receive passes. Type of player you look at

829
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:05,440
each ship to do something a little special doesn't disappoint.

830
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,880
Often a skilled right shot defender, which is highly sought

831
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,159
after asset in the NHL. Grant's biggest concern is that

832
00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:14,480
a coach takes away his freedom in the offensive zone

833
00:44:14,519 --> 00:44:17,119
so that he rarely ventures below the blue line. His

834
00:44:17,159 --> 00:44:21,440
strength is offense paired with slightly above average defense, and

835
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,639
if you take away that offense, he's just a slightly

836
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:28,719
above average defender and the top tier outcome boy Grant

837
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,119
sees a top pairing quarterback on the first unit of

838
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,880
his power play fifty plus points, forty to sixty. He

839
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,920
has sixty to eighty blocks, and that's because of the

840
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,639
versatility on the power play, which should keep him producing

841
00:44:39,679 --> 00:44:43,400
points at the NHL level. The median outcome tier three

842
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:46,079
top four defender. With time on the second unit of

843
00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:49,039
the power play, secondary stats like hits or blocks won't

844
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:52,079
be there, so he needs to produce forty plus points

845
00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:56,000
to be at the higher tier. Stylistic comparable Adam Fox

846
00:44:56,639 --> 00:44:59,239
and the final thoughts from Grant, he thinks Sandy and

847
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,679
Pelica should fit very well in the Detroit Blue lined

848
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,719
with cider and Edmonson for the next five to ten years.

849
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,519
His timeline could be twenty five to twenty six in

850
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:12,119
the NHL, but his next season with very little AHL time. Victor,

851
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,880
should we talk about our trade? Because I traded you Axel,

852
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,760
Sandy and Pelica this week. It happened, Victor. I gave

853
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,360
him up. And I don't know what's my question here?

854
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:23,199
How stupid am I?

855
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: Oh? Not stupid at all. Fantastic move. Two thumbs up.

856
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,679
Man loved it. Now. It probably helps to give the

857
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,039
full contract to context of the trade because there were

858
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:38,199
there were more moving pieces. This is in the in

859
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,960
the Diesel League, where I was a strong contender last year.

860
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,000
Things didn't go so well this year, so we ended up.

861
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,679
I ended up selling off some assets, and your teams

862
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,760
is right there ready to make things happen. I think

863
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,960
that's important to know. I'm trying to pull up the

864
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,079
trade here. It is, so we moved. Oh, there was

865
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:57,440
a lot of pieces, Jesse, I forgot about this, so

866
00:45:57,519 --> 00:46:01,519
I gave you Ovechkin. This is a cap league too,

867
00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:04,559
Frank Vitrono, Darcy Kemper and Riker Evans, and I got

868
00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:06,960
from you Riley Height, Aji Kopitar, which is more of

869
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,280
a cap dump, Owen Zellweger, Axel Sandin, Pelica, Devon Levi,

870
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:14,320
Lucas Reichel, and Ilianabakov. So I got a bunch of

871
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,239
futures and maybe a big question mark in Lucas Reichel.

872
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:19,679
You got a lot of guys that help you now,

873
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,239
and I think it's I think it's pretty fair. I

874
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,800
think you got some other pieces that aren't gonna fully

875
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,119
expire next season, like Kovechkin. I'm obviously hoping that Pelica

876
00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:33,039
hits his big upside of as Grant said, being that

877
00:46:33,079 --> 00:46:36,760
top power play. I'm hoping also that he doesn't get

878
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,639
rained in too much in terms of not being able

879
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:43,519
to flash his offensive brilliance, because he does have huge upside.

880
00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:45,480
It's getting little crowded on the blue line there, and

881
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,079
a big worry is that they just let Sider continue

882
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:50,239
to run the power play, which I think might happen

883
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,199
for a while, just because he's still good at everything.

884
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:55,800
We talked a little bit about Nikishin. I think Cider

885
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,239
is a good equivalent to Nikishon as well, a guy

886
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,679
that can do everything. But is he the best guy

887
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,280
to run your power play? Is most side or the

888
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:04,840
best guy to run your power play? I don't know,

889
00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:07,719
maybe not, but he certainly can do it, and I

890
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,199
think the same can be true here. Asp is probably

891
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,360
a better person for that. Seman Evanson might be a

892
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,719
better person for that, even Albert your Hindsen, but that's

893
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,760
probably not gonna happen. I think the upside is huge,

894
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,559
And no, I don't think he made any kind of mistake.

895
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:22,159
There are a lot of moving pieces in that trade,

896
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:23,719
and I think we both think it was a win.

897
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely, I'm pushing in all my chips. I'm

898
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,559
the defending champ, but I've got a very strong team

899
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:34,119
and basically I'm trying to upgrade every slot I can.

900
00:47:34,679 --> 00:47:38,000
Damn the torpedoes, and yeah, we can't do a good

901
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,159
win on that. I knew I was giving up some value,

902
00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:42,400
but it was worth it to me. I don't I

903
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,440
regret nothing, but to Victor, yeah, no, you've I think

904
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,840
this is good. We're talking about the comparison of these

905
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,960
guys to the existing defenseman here. But so how high

906
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,119
do you think he ends up going? Could the guide

907
00:47:55,199 --> 00:47:57,719
be an Adam Fox type player in the NHL room,

908
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,480
or am I am? I once again well feeling delusions

909
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:00,960
of grangeer.

910
00:48:01,519 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: I don't think he's the same archetype as Adam Fox.

911
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,559
I think Adam Fox is the type of player who

912
00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:11,039
can be your number one defenseman play in all situations

913
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,599
and is not amazing defensively, but it's good enough that

914
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,920
he can drive play and so you like, you know,

915
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,679
you're pretty comfortable with with him out there in all

916
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,840
your situations. I don't know that's going to be true

917
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,000
for ASP. I think that's really where we're still not

918
00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:32,239
sure exactly where things are going to go. He has

919
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,400
shown big improvements in his two way play in the

920
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,559
last couple years, and even in the World Junior tournaments

921
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:40,960
where he's won the Best Defenseman, A lot of that

922
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,599
was based on his offense, but this year I would

923
00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:45,639
say he even excelled more in his defensive play than

924
00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:50,360
he ever has. I actually recently wrote about him over

925
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,079
at eddiep and looking at the fact that he really

926
00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:56,119
has come a long way in terms of his two

927
00:48:56,159 --> 00:48:59,840
way play and the fact that he's taking more total

928
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,639
time time on ice, A lot of that has grown shorthanded.

929
00:49:03,159 --> 00:49:05,320
You know, they didn't really use him much at all

930
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,159
last season short handed, and this season they're using him

931
00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:10,719
a lot more so. Almost all of his increased time

932
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,559
on ice has been shorthanded, so they're trusting him in

933
00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:17,119
more high leverage situations and he's killing it. He's driving

934
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:19,960
play even better than he was before. It's like one

935
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,760
of those situations where you some players, you give them

936
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,000
the worst assignments, the defensive zone stars, and they still

937
00:49:26,119 --> 00:49:29,719
drive play in the other direction. And I think he's

938
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,199
showing that he can do that. And if he can

939
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,679
come all the way full circle, then he might be

940
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,480
able to be in Adam Fox type where he can

941
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:37,960
be there in all situations and he can, you know,

942
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,639
eat up a lot of those minutes. The problem is

943
00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:41,840
that he's got a most cider problem to be that

944
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,119
guy fully in Detroit because he's not going anywhere and

945
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:46,840
there's only going to be so many minutes. But I

946
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,599
think they might use the two as like you play

947
00:49:50,599 --> 00:49:52,280
half the game and I'll play half the game kind

948
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,199
of thing where they'll just be out there almost the

949
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,039
entire time. And if that's the case, then he will

950
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,400
He does have the potential to really hit that high

951
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,639
upside points, the bash is never going to be there

952
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,360
for asp though his shots are excellent. He shoots a ton,

953
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,280
but his hits are only thirtieth percent tile on his

954
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,920
blocks are ten percent tile. So the hits and blocks

955
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,079
are just not really ever going to be there. But

956
00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:16,800
he does shoot a lot, so he's no better points

957
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,119
only with play, and so yeah, that's what I think

958
00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:20,519
about that.

959
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 2: The NHL ranking Mason black in rather a lark put

960
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,920
Axel Sandy and Pelica up against Simon edvncent and we've

961
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,920
seen a bit of Advidson. Evdson has done good things

962
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,840
already in the NHL, but the people have spoken and

963
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,159
they like Axel Sandy and Pelica more seventy two to

964
00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:44,599
twenty eight percent that much more. Victor. Is Axel Sandy

965
00:50:44,599 --> 00:50:48,440
and Pelica that much of a slam dunk over Simone Evidson, I.

966
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 1: Don't think so. I think everyone here knows that I

967
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,480
love Simon Edvonson. We've talked about him on the podcast

968
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:56,639
before and the fact that he's absolutely killing it in

969
00:50:56,679 --> 00:50:59,159
the NHL, but he's not killing it necessarily in points.

970
00:50:59,199 --> 00:51:01,320
He's on a thirty three point pace, but I still

971
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,079
think that's his floor. He is given he's being given

972
00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:07,440
some of the toughest assignments is Simoon and Edvonson, and

973
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,159
he's absolutely killing it. In fact, when you compare the two,

974
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,039
there's an argument, to me made that he's doing even

975
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:16,440
better than Cider based on usage and how difficult some

976
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,239
of his minutes are. So I don't think that's actually true.

977
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,880
But he looks really good. And the thing that I

978
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,280
don't know about Edvonson is he's certainly not going to

979
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,079
be the one who commands that power play time. I

980
00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:28,679
think he can do it, but they have too many

981
00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:30,719
good options, so he's probably going to be the one

982
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,360
that loses out, and that's going to put his ceiling

983
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,280
more out of forty to forty five point player without

984
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:42,039
that top power play. And right now, through fifty games

985
00:51:42,039 --> 00:51:44,719
this season, he's averaging eight seconds on the power play,

986
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,920
so he's not getting any and that's probably going to continue.

987
00:51:48,159 --> 00:51:50,519
So I think it probably shouldn't be this why But

988
00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:52,760
if you're considering points only, which I believe is how

989
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,320
Mason frames it, then I think it is clearly asp.

990
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,000
But if you're considering other factors it might be a

991
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,239
bit closer. I still think i'd learned I had lean ASP,

992
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,679
unless you're really wanting more of that peripheral coverage, which

993
00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:07,119
Edmonson is much much better at least in the hits

994
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:09,159
and blocks. Edvondson does not shoot as much, but he

995
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,000
hits and blocks a lot more than ASP.

996
00:52:13,039 --> 00:52:17,039
Speaker 2: One last prospect to discuss today Victor Ivan Demidov, a

997
00:52:17,159 --> 00:52:21,840
Montreal prospect and Alexander Nikishin's teammate at Scott Saint Pete.

998
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:25,760
Demidov at last count forty four points in fifty two

999
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,159
games in the KHL This year, Habs fans are drooling

1000
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:33,320
over the prospect of the six foot forward coming to Montreal.

1001
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,719
The rumbling seemed to suggest he could arrive as early

1002
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,519
as next season, and he is only nineteen years old.

1003
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,800
Demidov is not the fastest straight skater according to Sasha

1004
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,480
or FHL scout in his drift class, so he's going

1005
00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:48,840
to have to find other ways to separate from players

1006
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,599
instead of strictly out skating them. However, his tight space

1007
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,679
edgework is elite. He has just enough speed to enhance

1008
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,800
his creativity and deceptiveness, and he does need to become

1009
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,079
more explosive to take a pace to another level. Passing

1010
00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:06,280
and handling elite hands, elite vision in the KHL continues

1011
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,360
to dazzle every shift as he reads with exceptional ability

1012
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,440
to find open space in the middle of the ice.

1013
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,960
Started to read his teammates better, which will only open

1014
00:53:16,039 --> 00:53:19,519
up more avenues. He handles the puck tremendously on both

1015
00:53:19,519 --> 00:53:21,960
sides of the blade. Puck reception very good. Just a

1016
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:26,079
high end handler and distributor, says Sasha. Shooting has improved

1017
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:28,320
slightly from draft year, as he has been able to

1018
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,639
score from distance in a couple of times through Sasha's viewings,

1019
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,880
Demodov's more of an efficient score than a complete sniper,

1020
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,840
but he could shoot well in motion through screens. High

1021
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,960
end IQ in all zones, including tremendous poise, hardly panics

1022
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,239
with the puck, but will also sometimes be a little

1023
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,000
nonchalant in this processing. However, he'll make in game adjustments

1024
00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:50,960
based on the other team's defensive schemes, being able to

1025
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,000
battle for position in front of the net. His IQ

1026
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:56,880
allows him to see openings not many other players can see.

1027
00:53:57,079 --> 00:54:00,480
For checking. Not the strongest asset, but is high makes

1028
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:04,599
a strong board play player defense same as above, able

1029
00:54:04,639 --> 00:54:07,079
to use his smarts to make smart plays in the dezone,

1030
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:11,039
cover slot pass, as well slingshot the puck up the ice,

1031
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:15,800
off turnovers due to great positioning, best asset, then vision

1032
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,559
and handle, and the biggest concern skating and wide stands

1033
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:23,079
in the middle of the ice. Top tier outcome line

1034
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:27,519
one left wing plus power play one that's elite offensive

1035
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:31,559
talent folks, the median outcome second line power play specialist.

1036
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:33,719
If the skating doesn't improve and if he falters in

1037
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,800
his ability to create in the middle of the ice,

1038
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,079
no big deal. But Sasha is going to compare him

1039
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:41,519
to Patrick Kaine. That's where we're going to go. Why

1040
00:54:41,559 --> 00:54:43,599
not just throw a Hall of Fame future Hall of

1041
00:54:43,679 --> 00:54:46,199
Famer comp on the guy. But he's all that in

1042
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,760
a beg of donuts. As you can tell, he's got

1043
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,800
crazy high upside. Victor, I recall you're telling me you

1044
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,480
thought last year that you like Demeadov better than Mitchkoff.

1045
00:54:55,559 --> 00:54:57,079
I think you said that as we're coming up on

1046
00:54:57,119 --> 00:54:59,559
the draft and I was thinking about a valuing guys

1047
00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:02,400
the recent Russian imports. If you're just going to compare

1048
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:06,559
those two, is that is that an accurate representation of

1049
00:55:06,599 --> 00:55:08,599
your opinion of Demodov?

1050
00:55:10,679 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 1: Yep I did say that, and I meant it, and

1051
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,039
I still feel.

1052
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 2: That way, all right, strong take Victor.

1053
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Demidov is amazing. In fact, as we're sitting here

1054
00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:27,639
right now, he has nineteen goals this season for Scott

1055
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,159
Saint Petersburg. Do you happen to know what the record

1056
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,199
is for under twenty Russian players in goal scoring in

1057
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:40,039
the KHL. It's twenty and that's set by Carill caprice

1058
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:44,559
Off and mattve Mitchikoff actually had nineteen as well in

1059
00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:49,360
forty eight games. So Demodov has a little bit more

1060
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,679
opportunity to break that. But right now it looks like

1061
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,679
he's in that neighborhood, and we were talking about mitchikofv

1062
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,119
versus him. I just think that Demodov is more dynamic.

1063
00:55:59,199 --> 00:56:01,480
I think he has more skill. He also has a

1064
00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:04,960
dogged attitude to hunt down pucks and he's going to

1065
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,920
be the type of guy that coaches love, that they're

1066
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,559
going to put out in every situation. Mitchkoff, as we're seeing,

1067
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,719
not that guy, not in all situations kind of guy.

1068
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:17,119
He has some traits that are frustrating his coach, But

1069
00:56:17,159 --> 00:56:20,199
the skill is also pretty high there. I'm not saying

1070
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:21,760
he's going to be as good as Caprice Soft. But

1071
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,480
I think there's a pretty good chance that he's on

1072
00:56:23,559 --> 00:56:26,159
that level, which is, to me a peg above where

1073
00:56:26,159 --> 00:56:29,159
Mitchkoff is. And yeah, I think the upside is huge.

1074
00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:34,360
I think we're talking century mark plus points upside for Demodov,

1075
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,719
and so that's huge. I think that there's this territory

1076
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,800
here that not a lot of guys can get to,

1077
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:44,199
and I think Demodov is in that rarefied air nice.

1078
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:44,800
I love it.

1079
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,079
Speaker 2: Victor, What is the archetype here then? Because this is

1080
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:51,519
supposedly he's not a sniper. He gets the goals in obviously,

1081
00:56:51,559 --> 00:56:54,039
he gets goals in nobody's business if you set records

1082
00:56:54,039 --> 00:56:57,440
over there. But what kind of is Patrick Kane the

1083
00:56:57,519 --> 00:56:59,800
right guy to put him in a bucket with? Or what?

1084
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 1: Oh's just put him in buckets with all these Hall

1085
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:08,119
of famers? Why not? Right? Yeah? Probably? He's definitely a

1086
00:57:08,159 --> 00:57:11,000
wizard with the puck. That's what most people say. He

1087
00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:14,679
has incredible vision, he's really slick hands. He can beat

1088
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,360
pretty much anyone one on one. But it's more than that.

1089
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,800
He doesn't have to rely on that. He can find teams,

1090
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,199
he can create, he can create space, he can pass

1091
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:29,320
into lanes, he can pass into opportunities for players who

1092
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,920
didn't even know they could be open. He's that type

1093
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,880
of player. I think he probably is more like Caprice Soft,

1094
00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:37,280
especially in the way that he skates. He uses that

1095
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,400
ten to two move, maybe a little bit too often,

1096
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,760
but it can work for him. He definitely isn't the

1097
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,480
fastest skater and needs to adapt that a little bit

1098
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,239
more to the North American game when there isn't as

1099
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,760
much open side to side space for him. But I'm

1100
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,880
confident that he will. So he's definitely more of a

1101
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,199
rep playmaker, but he can absolutely finish as well. He

1102
00:57:56,239 --> 00:57:59,079
can do it all, even the defensive game, as I mentioned,

1103
00:57:59,079 --> 00:58:02,719
like he can strip pucks, turnover and create chances that way,

1104
00:58:03,079 --> 00:58:05,760
which is not something that some of the top players

1105
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,760
can be. Yeah, I don't know that he's quite Patrick

1106
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,599
Caine level. That's certainly asking a lot, but I think

1107
00:58:11,639 --> 00:58:15,199
that he's in that vein. I think Caprice off Ish

1108
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,760
is also probably a good way to think of him.

1109
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,679
Speaker 2: All right, Victor, and that's yeah, So do we have

1110
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,159
Caprice off here? Is that where the ceiling is?

1111
00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: I think so? I think he can hit one hundred points.

1112
00:58:26,159 --> 00:58:30,360
So that's certainly caprice Off. We've been deprived of him

1113
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,079
for a while here, but we certainly have seen him

1114
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:36,320
become a superstar and be in that one hundred point range.

1115
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:38,840
I think Demodov has that upside for sure.

1116
00:58:39,679 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: Nice nice, all right, Victor, And let's do the NHL

1117
00:58:43,519 --> 00:58:47,519
rankking pull from Mason Black Will Smith, the San Jose

1118
00:58:47,679 --> 00:58:50,960
Shark who's been playing in the NHL this season versus

1119
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,920
Demodoff and Demodoff in a route eighty six percent to

1120
00:58:55,039 --> 00:58:58,840
fourteen percent. Is Demodov really that much better than the

1121
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:00,039
young Shark rookie.

1122
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. I think this might be a

1123
00:59:03,039 --> 00:59:06,239
little unfair to Will Smith, who still has a lot

1124
00:59:06,239 --> 00:59:08,880
of upside. I think things are going to be just

1125
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,280
a little bit harder for Smith if he truly is

1126
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,159
going to be a center at the next level. I

1127
00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:15,599
think that he has a little bit more work to do.

1128
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:19,239
Maybe he plays on Celebrini's wing and then that's not

1129
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,280
as big of a problem. But I don't think that

1130
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,880
Smith has the upside that Demidov is. I think Smith

1131
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,599
has a point per game upside. He might end up

1132
00:59:26,599 --> 00:59:30,719
even scoring more points than Celebrini some seasons, but Demidov

1133
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,280
is on another level, so I would have liked to

1134
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,239
see the pole be Mitchgoff and Demodoff, which I think

1135
00:59:35,239 --> 00:59:39,320
he's done before and I think has been closer. But yeah,

1136
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:43,280
I think this is definitely Demidoff, and I agree with

1137
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:44,360
how lopsided it is.

1138
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:49,199
Speaker 2: Nice, Victor, that has been a tour through six different

1139
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:52,960
Scouts touts. We really think are FHL Scouts for getting

1140
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,840
this stuff up to us. Any last thoughts on the

1141
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,519
Scouts tout before we close out the show, Victor.

1142
01:00:01,079 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: If there's somebody you want the Scouts to look at,

1143
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,159
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1144
01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:09,119
if you like. We take requests primarily from patrons, but

1145
01:00:09,239 --> 01:00:11,159
people are open to other suggestions as well.

1146
01:00:12,599 --> 01:00:22,760
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1158
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my guy Chris Blessing, a baseball HQ. Follow us on

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x at Fan Hockey Life at Victor Nunno. Twelve or

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on Blue Sky the one Victor where one is a

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number both of those handles of his. Victor likes having

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numerals in his handles. I don't know what's going on,

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you ask him, I'm not gonna or you can follow

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me on Blue Sky Jesse Severe All one word. You

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please enjoy this long respite from setting your lineups, but

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stay fresh because on the other side of it, if

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you're coming to the playoffs, you're gonna be living that

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