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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellawsiko's I am Dan Pavalley coming at

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you with the one the only you know him from

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the NBA podcast, fame of Yahoo Sports, fame of HBO

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Max fame, and of course we are most likely to

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recognize him from Only Fans celebrity. Mister Mort Jensen. We

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are gathered around the Hardware Knocks camp fire today, just

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talk about some questions we have now that the offseason

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has kind of settled into a crawl. We're past the

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avalanche of transactions, the surprise trades, trying to make sense

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of all that. Still a lot of business left unfinished

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and that will be the focus of some of our questions.

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But a chance to bounce around to some teams that

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I mean, Mort and I just haven't talked about it

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all since we haven't spoken in a minute. But some

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off seasons that we haven't really had the chance to

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cover also have some news. I'm sure we'll get to

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with Donovan Mitchell signing in an extension. But before we

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dive into the hashtag, I guess it's not slop. Would

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it be the clean? What would it be? I don't know.

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We're gonna dive into the aftermath. It's not slop anymore more.

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How the heck are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I am doing well, sir? How about you? It's no

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complaints here, right, I mean it's summer. The NBA season

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is over, which means we at least have a little

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bit of time to ourselves like we.

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Speaker 1: Just had, sir. We got we got Salt Lake City

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Summer League to watch.

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Speaker 2: So am I am? I not a real analyst? If

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I tell you that, I'm just not. I'm not gonna

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bother with summer leak this year.

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Speaker 1: Well it's kind of a bummer because now you're not

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gonna see that Darren Peterson is like gonna make the

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Hall of Fame even before he retires. I don't know

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if that's ever been done before the NBA, but right

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the trajectory he's on.

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Speaker 2: I did see some clips and good lords you look.

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Speaker 1: You were you were there on him too, And like me,

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who didn't have enough draft like knowledge at the time,

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was I feel like, maybe agrient demands are shot making

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my scale a little bit better. I watched like in

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the when I was doing prep on Darren Peterson, I

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was like, oh, no, okay, I understand it, And then

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watching it was like the first game he has. Oh no, yeah,

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he just he's got it. Capslock it. He's gonna be capslock.

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But I'll let you start. You're the guest. What is

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the question? Well, we'll have to talk about Lebron James

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at some point, but let's save it to the end,

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just because maybe he'll sign. He probably won't, but I

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think he's trying to my hot take, this will be dated.

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He's going to try and break the July eleventh record

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that he had. That's the latest he's announced his hashtag decision.

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So July twelfth and after, folks, that's when we can

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expect to get a decision. I've decided, that's what we're

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doing here. That's that's when you decided. Yeah, I've decided.

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But more where would you like to go first?

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Speaker 2: I would like to go to San Antonio because I

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haven't a shock him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, we'll allow it because you were out

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in front of them too. You were just so right

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about this burds this year, so I'll allow it.

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Speaker 2: Right, But I have a wrinkle that I haven't told

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you about, because you and I we're going to have

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point that I'm going to go to later, so Demarta Rosen.

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like he's aware of the organization's tendencies and how it works.

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He was there for three years now. I personally think

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that they need someone like him if they return to

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the finals, because I just don't think a presence of

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mar de Rosen would have allowed them to lose that

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twenty nine point lead. I think they needed a calming presence.

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fact that he doesn't shoot threes. He's not a strong defender.

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veteran leadership is ridiculously good. He is tremendous at taking

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young guys under his wing. He is able to facilitate

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some of those things and everyone would probably think, well

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Speaker 2: And I love Kelton. I think the sixth Man of

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the Year award was deserving. The problem was he couldn't

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and I need to cooperate a little bit, because my

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and then use Kelton's eighteen million dollar contract plus possible

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draft equity to strengthen the team even more. So that's

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Demarta Rosen thing is interesting. I don't I'm not gonna lie.

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you're outlaying, but I think that if you bring someone

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that has his on ball share into that offense, and

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when he was in the game. That was his lowest

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mark since like twenty thirteen to twenty fourteen. That's still

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a pretty hefty share. I worry. One of my big

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qualms with the Spurs is that they didn't give Dylan

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or run the offense during the regular season. I think

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we just and I don't think they're due they'll do that.

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trade was, well, we're attaching Steph Castle to Keldon Johnson

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for player X, because then you can talk yourself into

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them needing depending on who they acquire another ball handler.

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can you You can't really get to you know, do

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basically say, look, you're not gonna be the primary guy here,

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not even off the bench. Dylan Harper is our next

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veteran leadership, when we need your shot making at a

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certain level, that's when we accelerate. That's when we try

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Rosen where he comes in and milks the shot clock

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for sixteen seconds like you will have to agree with

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him on certain things. By the way, sir, you're muted

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once again, we are indeed in prime form.

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actually don't even think I'm touching it. I think my

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mic is just overreacting, But kings fans, I was just

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making a Joe Kings fans loved the Demart Rosen pound

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the ball and keep it to the shot talk experience. No.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look that the Spurs also love to move

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the ball in a different way, and I thought I

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actually thought he was like pretty potent of that during

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nine assist average at one point. So I would just

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feel comfortable with him in that system. Although I do

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get your point, because you want to give Dylan Harper

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that freedom, right, you want to make him that dude

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like can you even justify not starting Dylan Harper next

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couldn't start him Daron Fox and Steph Castle, I would

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argue that Steph Castle or Daron Fox would come off

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that role because he is more he's come off the

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bench twelve times his entire career and not since his

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rookie season, which is actually kudos to him. That's insane.

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five best players, just because I think Julian Champenny at

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more threes? So you add to Marta Rozen into that,

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who's just not a three point shooter. And now you

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name first before, but this would also be a move

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they made the Fox trade. Everyone was sort of thinking

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it takes away from the runway of doing Harper more

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than anybody else. And I honestly he's the second most

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important person in that building right now, and so I

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think that that has to matter a great deal. I

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what worth forty forty percent from long range. It just

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wasn't able to be a maintaining quality in the playoffs,

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which was a problem. So you could finacle that to

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where Keldon is shipped out for shooters. But the thing

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that's the thing, right, like that, it's so difficult to

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Detroit got I say it, Joe for what was in

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Speaker 2: And also I don't I just don't think Sam Presty

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Speaker 1: You know what he's Yeah, he's enough of a sicco

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for right ooh regular, Well, so I think this bleeds

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into what type of targets were you thinking about for them?

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chat says with Demart Rosen, I would be would MPJ

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be too much? F forty one million? That's a lot.

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I mean, if you're giving up Fox, give up Fox

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for Michael Porter Junior then signed DeMar Derozen. The Nets

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have MIKEL. Brown though, So I don't know if they

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want Daron Fox in that building.

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Speaker 2: Right, I would do that straight though. And this is

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the thing, it's going to sound so harsh to Daron

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Fox because we know that he played on a bum ankle.

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have to clear the runway.

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Speaker 1: You just have to. And it is not as as

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I would say, the foremost Daron Fox defender to focusing

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a lot on that ankle. He's paid like an All

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NBA candidate, and I think consistently he's been around fringe

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all star production. And his deal is less problematic for

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San Antonio because next year three of their foremost important

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players are on rookie scales. The year after that, so

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Victor woman Yama, when he signs an extension, that kicks

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in two of their foremost important players around oaky scales.

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Fox's deal is halfway over, you throw him onto another team.

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I think that deal does look a lot worse. We've

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seen the rim frequency decline on the free throw attempts

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per one hundred possessions decline, and he's not I think

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you could talk yourself and do okay when it's Donovan

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Mitchell who's now owed over three hundred million dollars over

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the next half decade. I doubt that deal age as well.

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But at least he has the three point volume to

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fall back on. That's never been something Fox has. I

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think he's underrated as a playmaker, but does that change

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at all as he struggles to generate You know, if

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he doesn't have the blow by speed. What if he

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starts to struggle to get that lateral or or you know,

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north south separation from people. I just yeah, I'm I

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guess I would. Oh, no, am I there already for

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I don't, I don't know. It's just it's such a

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huge shake up after making the NBA Finals in a sense,

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like you're moving this big piece, big salary piece for

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Michael Porter Junior, who you know, and we think spurs.

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I'm not sure Michael Porter Junior is the first player

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that springs to mind there, probably one of the last.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but at least the three point shooting is legit, right,

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like just him shooting off the attention given to Dylan Harper's,

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to Von Castle and Wemby like good lord, good lord.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean his rebounding would probably help, yeah, but

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helped him too at the four spot. Trey Murphy would

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be the name everyone throws out there. That's that's everyone.

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Speaker 2: You just say it, Dan, It's that's been our wagon

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for like six months.

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Speaker 1: At least more. Are you ready to react to breaking

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news here? I don't need to ask my question about

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the Lakers anymore. Their defense is solved. They signed Cavan Looney.

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It's all gonna be Everything's gonna be fine in Lakerland.

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We're good.

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Speaker 2: Kim On Looney to the Los Angeles Lakers.

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Speaker 1: My character guy. But you know, oh yeah, he hears

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move from from being a useful player.

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Speaker 2: I would argue, well, quality rebounder still.

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Speaker 1: Get fair. I have questions about how he holds up

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if you want to use him as like a switch

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guy or someone just as any sort of mobility, even

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if you're using him just as a backline stop. Anyway,

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Trey Murphy is the name. What you given the Spurs

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a salary structure. You could just do Keldon Johnson for

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Trey Murphy, basically get you. The Pelicans won't accept that,

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of course, But Trey Murphy for Kelton would I want

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to ask you, because we could get into the draft compensation.

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If you're the Spurs, would you give up Carter Bryant

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and picks with Calton Johnson to get Trey Murphy.

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Speaker 2: I'm not giving up Carter Brian and picks with Kelton

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for Trey Murphy. H I it's okay, all right with

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the caveat that those picks could be like protected up

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the WAE suit, right, like if they are all right,

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let's have a conversation. But like, if the Pelicans are

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insisting that Carter Brian and two unprotected first rounders, then

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becomes a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Dicey, not the fact.

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Speaker 2: Like, again, it's not that I expect the Spurs to

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be bad at any point, so like, you could probably

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talk yourself into it, but I would I think Carter

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Brian is a legit rotational player next year, I think

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he's good. So if you're asking me, wrote though, if

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you change your question a little bit, like what would

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you rather do, give up draft equity or Carter Bryant,

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I'm giving up.

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Speaker 1: The draft equity. I guess the question comes then how

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much draft equity are you willing to include? Because what

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If I'm New Orleans, I'm not doing that trade, which

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sounds insane because two first round picks just got Philly

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Jallen Brown make change for Broth. But when you're dealing

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with Trey Murphy, who's on not only is he universally

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scalable as a player, but his contract is so appealing

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to every single team, especially one like the Spurs, that

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in theory will get progressively more expensive as their younger

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core gets paid.

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Speaker 2: So how many draft picks would I give up?

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Speaker 1: It's a minimum of two, and I don't think that

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would be enough.

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Speaker 2: No, And like if it's three and they're somewhat protected

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all three, like what are we looking at? Are we

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looking at one or two fully unprotected?

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Speaker 1: Well? I do think. Also what's interesting about the Spurs

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is that they've set themselves up with some like swap

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rights in later years where they have the swap with

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Dallas or Minnesota in twenty thirty and then the twenty

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thirty one swap with Sacramento. So is like if you're

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looking at and saying, and they have two first and

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next year's draft, right, so I think, oh, no, they

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gave up their twenty seven is going to Sacramento or

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Oklahoma City. Yeah, I think you give up the twenty

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seven Atlanta first, and then from there you're looking at

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twenty nine and then do you protect twenty thirty one?

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Is that if you're keeping Carter?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you keep no, you know what, screw it?

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Give them up. It's okay because you're getting Trey freakin' Murphy.

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You have to pay through the nose to get him.

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I'm okay with that three firsts if that for twenty

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forty one is only modestly protected, but that's actually the

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swap with Sacramento. Fine, fine, because look, let's be real here,

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if they get Trey Murphy in this year, are they

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not like the front front and are waitting the whole

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damn thing?

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Speaker 1: I don't. Some of the sports books have them ahead

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of the Thunder. I think once the Thunder started cutting salary,

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the Spurs might have moved ahead of the Thunder in

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some lines to win the title next year, which is

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I mean, they just made the finals, so maybe it's

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not that insane, but I find that Preven crazy. Well,

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Speaker 2: This, look, we'll get there. Well, like, we're a couple

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of months away from doing season previews and I'm guessing

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you and I were doing a bunch of them, so

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we'll get there. We'll get there. But overall, Dan, because

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we're almost twenty minutes in and we have a lot

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of ground to cover.

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Speaker 1: So like, what over there any other names I guess

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you wanted to like? Would you like?

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Speaker 2: So we're going to return to we can sit here

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and beat around the bush. It's try Murphy, It's you

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and I.

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Speaker 1: So your SEGM needs to be it couldn't be. So

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let's as an example, I'm assuming they want someone back

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because they're not that deep into the tacks. But Boston,

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I'm assuming it's not going to pay the tax now

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because they're like two plus million Injuran or whatever does

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Sam Hauser do? Like what is the like? Are you

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saying the Spurs need to make this bigger time swing er?

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Can it be more of a Okay? That's interesting And.

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Speaker 2: The reason I say it is because you kind of

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alluded to it earlier wemby his extension. He's gonna sign

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it now and it's gonna king in next to year.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, where is it the drop? Right? Right? I mean

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good lord?

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Speaker 2: No, But like overall, I just think this organization, uh,

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they I I've been I don't want to say I've

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been disappointed about what they've done this this summer, but

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I did expect them to go out and do something

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a little bit more major than signing Tobias Harris and

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trading in to get Jaden Quainton's like you know, you're

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you're looking at that Texas club and going hello, I

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mean got in, come on, go get it right, like

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go get do something, do something more.

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Speaker 1: I understand where you're coming from, but I also see

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the theory, especially when you're looking at some of these

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other teams busting up as they're getting more expensive. Of

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let's explore the medium sized moves or smaller to see

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you have Carter Brian. Here's a good example. You're saying

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you want to keep Carter Brian as part of a

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Trey Murphy deal. That's someone who's going to block playing

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time for Carter Bryant if you're having Trey Murphy play

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thirty plus minutes a game, and so I think that

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needs to be part of your.

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Speaker 2: I don't necessarily agree with that.

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Speaker 1: You want Carter Brian at the five? Didn't they just drawers?

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Speaker 2: I look, that's the thing about Carter Brian, right, I

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think he can play two. I think he can play three.

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I think he can play four, and I think he

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can play small ball five. Like to me, he obviously

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he's not Ben Simmons like in that regard where you

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can just play him five positions. But Carter Brian has

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the potential to be a four position player. I frankly

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just do not care. He's one of those players who

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I think is going to be someone who you just

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trot out and you can play him in so many

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different lineups, variations, and that is just how he's going

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to get minutes.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not even worried about that. That's fair. I

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guess we just look if they went after Tray Murphy.

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You're not going to catch me saying that's a bad idea.

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I guess we just disagree on whether they need to

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explore the agency. At this moment, you and I also

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Speaker 1: And now back to the let's go, let's stick with

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small market, go Los Angeles Lakers. Here more. What is

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the Lakers' defensive ceiling? And before you answer, I will

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say sign. They just signed Cavon Looney, so it's first

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in the league and I won't listen to anything other

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than that. I caught a lot of crap for my

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comments on the Lakers off season the other day. I'm

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still just I am unmoved by it when just looking

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at the value proposition. It's not just the Walker Kessler

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contract is whatever. It's more so the picks they gave

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up to get him. But I'm looking at the talent

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they've now surrounded. Luka reevesing Kessler with I don't think

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yeah Prometheus, who says the snow time Lakers, the ghost

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time Lakers. I've seen that too. A lot of funny

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names for these guys. They just losing Marcus Smart. I

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think they got bet worse, excuse me, substantially worse on

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the perimeter defensively, And so now you're putting a lot

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of onus on Walker Kessler, who I think is a

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transcendent room protector. When you look at all the impact metrics,

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those are gonna be there. I don't know if that's

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a I don't know if that's enough. What a lot

473
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,680
of people have pointed to, and this is fair, is

474
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:15,039
that JJ Reddick has cobbled together some stronger defensive showings

475
00:23:15,079 --> 00:23:19,640
with let's say below average defensive talent overall. And maybe

476
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,039
there's something to that. Because the Lakers ended up finishing

477
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,720
last year against top ten offenses were twenty first in

478
00:23:27,799 --> 00:23:31,519
points allowed per possession. That's if your offense is gonna

479
00:23:31,559 --> 00:23:34,640
be a healthy Luca, healthy Reeves and we're assuming that

480
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,000
you can have a top five offense in those situations.

481
00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:41,359
Twenty first in defense against top ten offenses isn't bad.

482
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,960
And now you're saying they did upgrade the center position

483
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,119
for wherever you feel about the value of it Walker Kessler,

484
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,960
like when he was on the court in Utah all

485
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,759
those years, they still have the equivalent of a bottom

486
00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:54,920
five defense, but it's just different on a team that's

487
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,359
not trying to win, So I don't want to throw

488
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,640
that out entirely, but they've upgraded the center position, and

489
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,880
if they were already around twentieth twenty first again in

490
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,559
defensive efficiency against top ten offenses, I'm a little bit

491
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,960
more open to the fact that, oh, this team's defensive

492
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,119
ceiling is higher than we might expect, and that only

493
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,839
has a I'm not even just talking about, oh, they'll

494
00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:19,799
get lucky from an opponent three point shooting perspective. My

495
00:24:20,039 --> 00:24:23,240
main concern with them is I'm looking at this roster

496
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:28,240
right now, and without the acquisition of a capable wing,

497
00:24:28,599 --> 00:24:30,880
at least one of them and John Vin Kamingo does

498
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,279
not count. I don't want to hear John Thinkmeninga is

499
00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:37,319
gonna be someone that improves their defense. I don't think

500
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,839
that they're gonna have what it takes to do enough

501
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,839
damage in the playoffs. I don't think the Walker Kessler

502
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,240
as your everything is gonna fly in the postseason. And so,

503
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,480
after thinking about it, I did say this on that

504
00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:52,759
podcast I believe you can squint and cs and err

505
00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:55,519
in which the Lakers finished third in the West next year.

506
00:24:56,039 --> 00:24:59,000
I don't think they're gonna have the ceiling of a

507
00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:02,039
typical third p third seed in once you get to

508
00:25:02,079 --> 00:25:06,680
the playoffs again, unless there's changes made here, and maybe

509
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,200
is Jared Vanderbilt going to be due for a renaissance

510
00:25:09,319 --> 00:25:12,279
or can they turn his contract or somebody else into

511
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,200
into something. They don't have any assets left too, like

512
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,880
the twenty thirty two swap is their best is their

513
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,279
best asset left on the table, So I just don't

514
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,279
I don't know what to make of them defensively, And

515
00:25:26,319 --> 00:25:30,440
I will say if they have better than a fifteenth

516
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,440
ranked defense, so an above average defense, let's say, I

517
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,640
won't be as surprised after giving it more consideration and

518
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,759
seeing maybe what Walker Kessler does for them relative to

519
00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:44,599
what was already in place last season. But I don't know.

520
00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:47,279
Just the more I look at this roster, I forget

521
00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:49,240
they also have Cameron Carr if they wanted to dangle

522
00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:53,079
him in trade talks to I'm I'm just very interested

523
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,440
to see where they end up defensively, because there's I

524
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,640
would argue too much on Walker Kessler's shoulders right now.

525
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,559
So as much as they upgraded the center position, I

526
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,480
just think they're worse on the perimeter by a noticeable amount.

527
00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:08,599
Speaker 2: So your point is that they are just not going

528
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,759
to be good enough defensively, or at least that's your fear.

529
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,759
I all right, So I think there is another component

530
00:26:17,839 --> 00:26:21,319
to this. I think opponents will take the ball out

531
00:26:21,319 --> 00:26:25,759
of the basket a lot, a lot, because this team

532
00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:28,480
could have one of the best offensive, if not the

533
00:26:28,599 --> 00:26:31,359
best offense in the entire league this year. And if

534
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,119
that's the case, opponents are gonna have to take the

535
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,200
ball out of bounds and go in and like the

536
00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:39,200
Lakers can set their defense. So I think that is

537
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,880
something that the plays along here as well. Plus it's

538
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,960
a big lineup too. Lucas sixty seven reefs Yeah, all right,

539
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,279
six' five off, guard but still, movable like if they

540
00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:53,839
can just funnel drives To Ward. KESSLER i feel pretty

541
00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:58,519
confident about. That Jared vanderbilts like might actually play this

542
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,880
year because of what you. Said he can play on the.

543
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: Perimeter he's that makes you feel good, though doesn't.

544
00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 2: Know But i'm Also i'm also like a little curious

545
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,279
because do you think they're Done Like dulton, connect they're

546
00:27:10,319 --> 00:27:13,480
just not using. Him it feels like there's something that's

547
00:27:13,519 --> 00:27:16,759
got to. Give they're also going to pivot Off browny

548
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,440
to get him to Where lebron is gonna. Go, LIKE

549
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,559
i just don't know where we are at this, Point

550
00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:26,680
like is this an established? Roster oh And Quentin. GRIMES

551
00:27:27,599 --> 00:27:28,920
i don't hate him defensively.

552
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: Either, no you're. RIGHT i didn't even Mention Quentin. Grimes

553
00:27:32,759 --> 00:27:34,480
so that's a good call out. THERE i don't the

554
00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:36,359
problem with him is when you dig into the matchup,

555
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,279
data HE i don't think he can be a real,

556
00:27:39,319 --> 00:27:41,799
wing especially come playoff, again this comes back to the.

557
00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:44,079
Playoffs you could scale to the three in some. Instances,

558
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,519
OTHERWISE i think what he helps you do Is Austin

559
00:27:47,599 --> 00:27:50,759
reeves is never gonna have to like be on the

560
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,039
like opposing like the best opposing. Guard and so that's

561
00:27:54,039 --> 00:27:56,680
a luxury That Quentin grimes will give you. There they

562
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:01,680
were also weirdly twelfth points. Allowed to your point, about,

563
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,920
oh what happens when you get your like if you're

564
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,720
able to get your your defense, set they were nineteen

565
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,759
or excuse. Me after a made, shot they were twenty

566
00:28:10,839 --> 00:28:13,119
third in points alot of per posession last, year but

567
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:18,519
after a misshot they were tenth in points alot perposesson last,

568
00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:21,160
year which makes no sense when you look at their personnel.

569
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,720
There So i'm with. YOU i don't think they can be.

570
00:28:25,839 --> 00:28:30,000
Done and, also you did. Downgrade as much as we

571
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,759
like to poke fun At DeAndre ayton by moving him To,

572
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,960
washington you did. Downgrade you're but going from him To

573
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,759
Kevon looney is a. Downgrade is your backup center? Right?

574
00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yes but but the backup center Is Soundra Mamo.

575
00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:45,039
Keilasheeley that LOOK i Like.

576
00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:47,759
Speaker 1: Mamu that deal is very interesting just from someone who's

577
00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:50,480
not known as a rebounder or, defender can space and.

578
00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:53,680
Drive of COURSE i. Was i'm not gonna lie that

579
00:28:53,759 --> 00:28:56,119
Was that was one of the numbers that stood out to.

580
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,240
Me and by the, way The lakers' front office continues

581
00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:02,160
to get dog in negotiations because you, see all these

582
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,039
other teams have these team options at the end of these,

583
00:29:05,079 --> 00:29:07,039
deals and The lakers are still just giving up player

584
00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:09,920
options Like candy and, so by the, way they could

585
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,559
be the second best team in The west next year.

586
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,440
Whatever but the process for them this, OFFSEASON i, think

587
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:19,079
even in their most optimistic outcome has been. Questionable but,

588
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,720
Yeah I'm i'm with you in the sense THAT i

589
00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:24,000
want to believe OR i have to believe that they're not.

590
00:29:24,119 --> 00:29:28,000
DONE i just don't know what moves are available to.

591
00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:30,799
Them regulator in the chat Says vanderbilt For Caleb, martin

592
00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:32,759
and IT'S i, mean if that's the point we're, at you're,

593
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:37,519
Sure BUT i just don't move the needle three years

594
00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:39,240
ago he was two years? Ago are you? Certainly?

595
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:44,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right but we're talking twenty twenty. SIX i agree, That,

596
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,400
like CAN i ask, you like lou Dord, in, okay see,

597
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,720
right like what's the plan? There do you think like

598
00:29:50,759 --> 00:29:53,519
they picked up his? Option but are we sure that

599
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,880
that he's part of the long term calculus? There because

600
00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:59,559
that could be someone who they could perhaps finnacle into

601
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,680
some and maybe save them a buck or.

602
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,119
Speaker 1: Two and, okay, see that'll, well they're not gonna be

603
00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:07,319
able to save, okay see real money anymore because they

604
00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:10,039
burned through all their tap. Space so it would have

605
00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:12,440
to be can we find a third team to take

606
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,319
On Jared vanderbilt's? Contract AND i don't. Know, ONE i

607
00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:20,640
don't think, okaysee is moving lou dort just for like tax?

608
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,519
Relief and then TWO i don't know that The, LAKERS i,

609
00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:28,039
mean would you give Up Cameron carr to get off

610
00:30:28,079 --> 00:30:33,079
Of Jared vanderbilt's. Money, NO i am not giving up Camp.

611
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:36,440
Car THEN i don't. LIKE i just don't. Like it's

612
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,920
the twenty thirty two swap enough to get off Of Jared.

613
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,359
Vanderbilts he's got two years and like twenty five and

614
00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:42,480
a half million left on his.

615
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:47,079
Speaker 2: Contract, yeah that deal was always pretty, horrendous wasn't.

616
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:52,119
Speaker 1: It it wasn't. Great, Yeah look they Have Jayden hardy

617
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,480
And Jake lareviar are functionally on expiring.

618
00:30:56,519 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: Contracts i'm not crazy BY i think you raise a good,

619
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,640
Point LIKE i don't like the perimeter defense on this,

620
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,480
Team but do we have.

621
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,079
Speaker 1: To worry about?

622
00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:09,759
Speaker 2: That that's that, Extent like as long As kessler's, there

623
00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:12,359
are just cleaning up. Inside like, again, yes he'll have

624
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,519
to be. Healthy but if we assume, health are the

625
00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:16,759
ain't that bad shape?

626
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,319
Speaker 1: Defense, HONESTLY i don't. Know in the regular season they

627
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,200
might make it. WORK i think in the playoffs they'll

628
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,640
be a deer in. Headlights but maybe Between vanderbilt And

629
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,440
grimes And Jake laavia being, there maybe there's a move TO.

630
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,319
TBD i, mean If Dorian Finney smith is healthy he'll

631
00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:35,440
get him From charlotte with one of like some of

632
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,079
this money the way To is there a bad deal

633
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,599
out there that you Could so you Have Jayden hardy at,

634
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,480
Six Jake larevia at, six and Even Jared vanderbilt at,

635
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:49,240
Twelve so is there like a bad contract out they

636
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,680
can't get To Jeremy grant's money. Anymore For memphis they

637
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,960
could maybe, get BUT i don't think he does solves

638
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,720
ANYTHING kcp In memphis or maybe they just become A

639
00:31:58,759 --> 00:32:00,359
kcp destination If memphis.

640
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,279
Speaker 2: Bidding, yeah that's a good. One LIKE i he's had

641
00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:07,880
a couple of rough, seasons but like THAT'S i like that.

642
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,559
One that's. GOOD cacp would be super. INTERESTING i mean

643
00:32:11,599 --> 00:32:14,359
he can still. Defend, no but he would Because.

644
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm just laughing because that's where where that's where we.

645
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:20,279
Speaker 2: Are, yeah but LIKE i still think he can. DEFEND

646
00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:22,480
i still think he can hit the occasional three, Ball like,

647
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,640
there there's there is something there and that is what they,

648
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,079
needed Right like they needed the two way, play and

649
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,440
that's it's still their. Issue like, frankly that was the

650
00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:37,240
issue for a while And I'm i'm kind of looking

651
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:39,160
at what they did this, year and for the most

652
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,960
part it has been one position player, acquisitions again Like Colin,

653
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,759
saxton primarily an offensive mind the, players same with With

654
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,240
sounds Fra, Mamo, Kilosch, Feeley Austin reese as well retaining

655
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:58,319
Like i'm, sorry LOOK i LOVE i love that.

656
00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: Sense there's Always Patrick, yes, yes we got the best.

657
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,079
Audience they get, it they Get there is Always Patrick,

658
00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:09,720
williams Always Patrick.

659
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 2: Williams he is always available when in, doubt can we

660
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:14,000
Get Patrick?

661
00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: Willims yes you. Can you can for a few minutes.

662
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:23,640
Composed that is. GOOD i love.

663
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: That but all, right, frankly all, Right i'm gonna ask you,

664
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,400
this because that's a good ask. Question what do you

665
00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:32,799
rather have? With like contrast side.

666
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: Which vanderbilt And Jayden? Hardy For Patrick, williams the money

667
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:44,279
is like a dead. MATCH i, mean good, Lord chicago gets,

668
00:33:44,319 --> 00:33:48,599
out So Jayden hardy comes off the books next year war,

669
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,240
years so they Poor, lakers but then they have some

670
00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:53,720
mid end salary. Matching BUT i, MIGHT i might talk

671
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:57,200
myself into. This i'm not gonna lie because look how

672
00:33:57,279 --> 00:33:59,759
much IS i guess if you Believe jared you said,

673
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:01,640
before or if you Believe Jared vanderbilt is going to

674
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,079
be more of a core part of the, rotation, which in,

675
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,719
theory If Walker keshler shooting threes And mamuo is shooting, threes,

676
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:13,440
right the pathway to Playing Jared vanderbilt is a little bit, easier,

677
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:14,400
right that is?

678
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: True, yeah, yeah but still he's such a nothing offensively still?

679
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: Correct, uh YOU'RE i had thought? About is the twenty

680
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,800
thirty two swap right enough to get? You AND i

681
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,719
don't really know what they're. Doing if we do A

682
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,159
Confusing teams, podcast they might be on. It for, me

683
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,039
you could get to money For Chris dunn And Derek Jones.

684
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:42,519
Junior if we're talking seconds and the swap and then

685
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,760
just matching money with The clippers to get those guys

686
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,760
to the. CLIP i mean The lakers should consider, IT

687
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:47,119
i would.

688
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 2: Argue but, obviously, yeah, CLIP i think that's, Enough like

689
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:53,360
because look at look at how many guys went for

690
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:57,000
like nothing this year this. SUMMER i, mean two second

691
00:34:57,079 --> 00:35:00,440
rounders got your rotation, Player like why wouldn't? They Jones

692
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:01,679
junior be who?

693
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: Different, sorry which rotation player are you talking? About? Oh come,

694
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:06,920
on let me just Now i'm.

695
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 2: Blanking, Uh but like several players went for small LIKE i,

696
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,920
say A stewart went for what two or three second?

697
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,559
Speaker 1: ROUNDERS i don't even think he went for. THAT i

698
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:17,800
think it was they traded three seconds To memphis That

699
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,440
memphis then traded back To. Detroit he was. Dumped it felt,

700
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,880
like you're, Right Aaron wiggins And Isaiah joe got.

701
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,079
Speaker 2: Full those two, Guys by the, way can we can

702
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:29,039
we talk about just briefly not it's not on the

703
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:34,119
Docket Aaron, Wiggins, like why did they pivot off that

704
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:37,599
deal that was so? Friendly it was like declining in

705
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:40,039
the did you want them? To ACTUALLY i have a question,

706
00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:41,320
About oh we'll get.

707
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: To them pivot off Lou dort. INSTEAD i. Disagree but,

708
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,719
anyway so the to my do you think The clippers

709
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,960
consider seconds and the twenty thirty two swap for the?

710
00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:56,519
DUDE i, would honestly If i'm The, Lakers, yeah maybe

711
00:35:56,559 --> 00:35:59,119
that's too. Nuclear Maybe i'm overestimating the value that. Swap.

712
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,039
Speaker 2: Uh But Derek jones junr is super. Good he would

713
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:04,920
fit into that team so. Well and he's got experience With.

714
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: Luca yeah that's a good point. Too those two have great.

715
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: Chemistry, Actually SO i, MEAN i DON'T i just you.

716
00:36:11,559 --> 00:36:13,639
Speaker 1: Don't you're also GAINING i don't know if they want,

717
00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:16,280
this but you are gaining some flexibility because both he

718
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,960
And Chris dunn are coming off the books after this.

719
00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:21,280
Year so you're, smirking did you just did another name

720
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:21,880
pop up or?

721
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 2: Something, No i'm smirking Because i'm thinking about the, Switch. Williams,

722
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:29,960
No but like when you really think about, it, right

723
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,119
because we're talking about defensive upside, here the offensive upside

724
00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:37,559
like that we tried to talk about Before Derek jones

725
00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:40,719
junior on that team as, Well like how do you guard?

726
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,320
That like because LIKE i, know he's only scoring like

727
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,239
ten points per, game but when you think about, it

728
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,599
he's become a bit of a reliable three. Pointer a

729
00:36:48,679 --> 00:36:51,320
three point shooter he can finish place above the. Room

730
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,599
he works in, transition he's actually gotten better on the. Ball,

731
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,239
like if you get him in and you kind of

732
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,400
balance the defense, out there's a good chance The lakers

733
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,119
has to have the best offense in the entire damn.

734
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:09,559
Speaker 1: League abdam dash one five d As why would we

735
00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:11,800
help The lakers as A clippers? Fan just because The

736
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,639
clippers are an asset accumulation. MODE i don't Think Derrek

737
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,840
Jones Junior Chris dunner there for the long. Term so

738
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,760
you have The clippers were trying to contend next, season,

739
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,760
sure but they're. NOT i think that's. Right that's been

740
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,199
made pretty clear by. Them where did you want to? Go,

741
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,119
Actually i'll just hijacket because you brought them ups. Already

742
00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:33,000
let's go to THE. Okc how WILL okc get out

743
00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:36,559
of the second? Apron, ultimately because they are it looked

744
00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:38,880
like there was a pathway where it initially looked like,

745
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,079
okay sober and topitch might get them there after they

746
00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:46,280
declined The Kenrich williams team, option but they bring Back

747
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,440
Kenrich williams for five million, bucks and so now they,

748
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,559
are as of right now into the second. Apron by,

749
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,920
LIKE i think seven or eight is the number that

750
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,079
we have them. AT i don't, know or, no it's

751
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:01,480
more than. That excuse, ME i don't. Like is it?

752
00:38:01,559 --> 00:38:03,320
Thirteen what is lenn me go look?

753
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,639
Speaker 2: Like the secondary prim space their first seting point one above?

754
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: Below however you want to say, it, yes so no

755
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,000
longer with The Kenrick williams, deal you no longer have

756
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:19,760
The sorber toepitch route doesn't get you out, alone and so,

757
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,920
granted AND i had briefly discussed. THIS i wanted to

758
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,360
go and do it a little bit more detail with.

759
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,639
You you seem very much on board With we'll just

760
00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:29,559
trade Lou dort to get out of it versus Sorber

761
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,039
topitch and it would probably have to Be Jay will

762
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:35,039
Since i'm Asuming jared McCain And Bennett sturtz would be

763
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:40,280
off limits. LIMITS I i'm curious as to, watch like

764
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,719
you think he's that expendable to?

765
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: THEM i, do LOOK i like Lu dort, fine but

766
00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:53,039
they Got Alex caruso H Caseon wallace is getting better

767
00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:55,519
and better and better every single. Year, defensively he's just that.

768
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:58,920
Good now they also add mar to the mix defensively

769
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,440
speaking Like i'm Just i'm you also need to clear

770
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,360
it a little bit more minutes For jared McCain so

771
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,119
you have more. Shooting because this, team after pivoting away

772
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:10,440
FROM i say At joe and And Aaron, wiggins they

773
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,440
do not have a lot of floor, spacing, Sir they

774
00:39:12,519 --> 00:39:15,920
just do, Not SO i don't mind pivoting Off Blue.

775
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: Dowart, oh this is interesting from really quick regulator in

776
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,760
the chat Last lakers, one how About Cam carr And

777
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:28,599
vanderbilt For Dylan. BROOKS i don't think that's. Enough, no,

778
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:29,760
no you?

779
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 2: Swap do you Want Dylan brooks in?

780
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: THERE i mean he would instantly be your second best

781
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:41,039
defensive player next To Walk look him A lakers uniform

782
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:44,079
going All Kobe. Lebron lebron's not there anymore, though so

783
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:44,480
it should be.

784
00:39:44,559 --> 00:39:47,519
Speaker 2: Fine But i'm just saying he's. OFFENSIVELY i don't like.

785
00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:51,679
IT i, mean He i'm. Fine i'm fine with your.

786
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: Fine if You're i'd be fine with if you Get

787
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,840
Dylan brooks for what you have to give. UP i

788
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,880
think as The, Lakers i'd be okay with. It And.

789
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:03,000
Phoenix Does phoenix even have a first round pick in

790
00:40:03,039 --> 00:40:05,000
twenty and thirty two to swap if they wanted? To,

791
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:07,199
yeah look so with twenty thirty, two swap would actually

792
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,559
work for. Them i'd probably do that as The.

793
00:40:09,639 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 2: Lakers, yeah, Yeah i'm not sold.

794
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: ANYWAY I i as The Thunder and maybe here's part

795
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,079
of it for me is that so far With Isaiah

796
00:40:24,159 --> 00:40:26,679
joe And Andrew, wiggins you could look at those moves

797
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,480
and say those guys were never going to have a

798
00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:33,000
prominent role. Here the organization didn't do them as, solid

799
00:40:33,039 --> 00:40:35,039
but you moved on from players that they could have

800
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:38,159
a bigger, role and when you look at how much

801
00:40:38,199 --> 00:40:40,440
they were playing in THE nba, finals those were not key.

802
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,000
Parts excuse, me conference, finals those were not key parts

803
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:50,000
of the. Rotation with that being, said moving Lou dort

804
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,119
feels like it would be this cultural shock And i'd

805
00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:56,400
be curious to how the players would respond to that

806
00:40:56,559 --> 00:40:59,320
because they know the deal with the second. Apron but

807
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,400
it does create this feeling of JUST i think we

808
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,639
even saw this a little bit with The. Knicks there

809
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,599
was that rumor that they were interested In Eves mesi and,

810
00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:11,199
immediately which The knicks never. Do they're almost immediately there's

811
00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:13,239
this report for me In bagley that says they're happy

812
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,559
with their, roster not looking to make any. Changes to,

813
00:41:16,639 --> 00:41:19,559
ME i read that as you already Let Mitchell robinson

814
00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:23,039
walk purely over financial. Reasons you're trying to at least

815
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,199
there is going to be that feeling inside the locker,

816
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,280
room how expended among people who aren't Jaylem brunson and

817
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,719
probably O Jan andobi had to imagine how long until

818
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,320
money forces us out the, door until until we break?

819
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,840
Up and with, McBride going into a contract year that

820
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,119
would be part of. It it's sort of similar but

821
00:41:38,159 --> 00:41:41,599
to a greater extent With, dort who's the longest tenured

822
00:41:41,679 --> 00:41:44,639
thunder player and still Has LIKE i just don't think

823
00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:48,199
the defensive workload he shoulders receives enough, appreciation AND i

824
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,960
get the offensive. Concerns it's he's not he doesn't run

825
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,119
hot and cold so much as there's some seasons where

826
00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:56,360
he makes his threes and doesn't have these detrimental decisions on,

827
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,840
drives and then there's some seasons where he doesn't make

828
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,599
his threes and you see more of the detrimental. Decisions

829
00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:05,360
i'm just if if they were going to just move

830
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,039
him to get out of the second, APRON i feel

831
00:42:08,039 --> 00:42:10,559
as if it would have been done, already and So

832
00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:13,960
i'm more inclined to think they go The sorber topicch

833
00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:17,639
maybe Even Jay will route, then because now you Have

834
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,760
Mara holmgrin And hartenstein as Your. Biggs sorber is not

835
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,320
gonna is barely gonna. Play the path to topic getting

836
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,679
minutes is non existent at this, point now That jared

837
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,239
McCain is in the. Building, Uh Jay will would be

838
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,400
the one where you could also ark it was in

839
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,440
that kind of a culture. Shock he's in every postgame.

840
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,079
INTERVIEW i don't, know BUT i do feel as if

841
00:42:38,199 --> 00:42:42,159
Lou dort was going to be collateral, damage that he

842
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,719
would have been collateral damage by.

843
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: Now then the next player to pivot onto instead of

844
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:53,719
The Topich sorber, Route Alex, Caruso.

845
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: WHY i just why are you you're trading?

846
00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 2: Him but why are you so high on keeping sober and?

847
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: TOPIC i? Guess is my? Point? Well cost?

848
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,679
Speaker 2: Control, like all, right fair, enough right, now we're having

849
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,119
a discussion about getting under the second apron if it

850
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:18,079
was up to, Us, like we're having a discussion about

851
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:20,079
how an owner saves, money frank.

852
00:43:20,559 --> 00:43:22,519
Speaker 1: They do have the option of paying, you are, correct

853
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:23,159
that's right.

854
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,039
Speaker 2: Point so so like that's my first priority here is

855
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:30,079
just pay up and shut, Up. Frankly but if you're

856
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:33,480
talking about trying to save, money, obviously if you want

857
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,239
to be smart about, it you keep guys that are

858
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,800
cost controlled and you ship out guys who are expensive

859
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,440
run for two more, YEARS i.

860
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:40,159
Speaker 1: E Alex.

861
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 2: Caruso so that's my my my logical take on, it

862
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,840
BECAUSE i think With topitch And sorber you have more

863
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:53,519
control moving. Forward but let's just be real about. This

864
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:56,960
this entire topic right here that we're discussion right now

865
00:43:57,559 --> 00:44:04,239
is ridiculous because it is supposed to be, this this

866
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,199
team that is entering into an era where they can

867
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,559
win multiple championships and they can become sort of like

868
00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:18,199
the twenty tens version of The, Bulls lakers, whatever and

869
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,079
now they're penny crunching and penny pinching to get out of.

870
00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:24,400
It come, ON i, MEAN i mean the other the

871
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,239
day this, week they shipped out two of their best

872
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:33,800
shooters for, nothing for, Nothing LIKE i just think this

873
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,800
is such a ridiculous way to go about. It so

874
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,840
if they want to save, money at least be fucking

875
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,440
efficient and then just ship Out Alex, GRUSSO i.

876
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,519
Speaker 1: GUESS i, MEAN i understand what you're, saying BUT i

877
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:50,400
also The this is WHY i do think the owners

878
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,519
won the LAST cba agream is it's created where someone

879
00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:55,960
even like me is saying they're not going to pay

880
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,880
half a billion dollars to keep this roster together because

881
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,280
it's not just THERE'S i think the team building restrictions

882
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,280
are worse than the, money like that should be more

883
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,239
of a. Fear but in The thunder's, case at one

884
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,199
point they were a half a billion dollar. Roster they're not.

885
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,320
ANYMORE i think with the taxes and, stuff they're at

886
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,800
what three point thirty something now around. There but if,

887
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,679
historically if you go back and look at how like

888
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,800
if this was the idea of the Second, APRON i

889
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,960
think is given owners a reason to cop out and

890
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:25,519
just never. Spend and then it's also was out of

891
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:29,000
fear of what if teams just continue to spend and

892
00:45:29,039 --> 00:45:31,480
spend when they get ahold of these. Guys historically, speaking

893
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:36,280
how much further above the salary cap line is the Second,

894
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,199
Apron it's like fifty something million, dollars, right it's two twenty,

895
00:45:39,199 --> 00:45:41,920
one and the cap is around one point sixty. Five

896
00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:44,719
go back and find the number of teams that were

897
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:50,039
spending like fifty plus million. Dollars, yeah like it wasn't,

898
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:53,159
happening and so you could you were fighting a boogeyman to,

899
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:58,039
Me and now it created this culture of we're looking

900
00:45:58,079 --> 00:45:59,880
at a salary cap and other people have now pointing this.

901
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:04,960
Out the projected growth is now, underserved is like underserved

902
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,840
relative to those initial, forecasts and so you're seeing these.

903
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,519
Deals we're gonna see more of them like the Contract

904
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:14,039
Donovan mitchell just, signed the Contract yiannis will, sign or

905
00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:16,239
the one That Yo kiuill eventually, Sign they're gonna be

906
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,920
worth more than thirty five percent of the cap at

907
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,119
the rate of the current, growth and so that's, problematic

908
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:25,920
AND i think it's that's why that's, why, okay see

909
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,159
is they were never gonna pay that type of tax bill,

910
00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:31,760
anyway even if the penalties weren't as, Punitive but the

911
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,559
league made it so harsh from so many different perspectives

912
00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:38,079
to go into the second apron right that it's A

913
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,119
it's given teams an excuse to sell to fans that

914
00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:45,440
now have to think of players in these. Terms to your,

915
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,360
point getting rid of Lou dort might have, BEEN i,

916
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,119
guess is the cleanest. WAY i don't know if it's

917
00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:54,760
if you're looking at him Or. Caruso objectively, SPEAKING i

918
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,159
would say it's not the best course to fielding the

919
00:46:59,159 --> 00:47:01,480
best version of this team next year or the season,

920
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,280
after BECAUSE i don't think even if you trade Lou,

921
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,840
dort you're not suddenly opening the runway For thomas Serber Nicola.

922
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:11,480
Topicch you're not even Expanding Jay will's, role who's still

923
00:47:11,519 --> 00:47:14,079
on the. Roster i'm very curious to see this is

924
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:16,119
all to say how they get out of the Second.

925
00:47:16,119 --> 00:47:18,360
APRON i know people have said that they might wait

926
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,920
until the middle of the. SEASON i, mean thirteen plus

927
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,679
million dollars is tough to shed mid. Season maybe with

928
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,880
maybe with TPEs out, there it gets a little bit,

929
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,360
easier or for teams want to take he doesn't fit

930
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:32,960
into the mid, level so that won't any, work but

931
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,679
with tps it gets a little bit. EASIER i would

932
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,920
be shocked, though to say this if they stay, In

933
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,519
like if we are talking this time next year and

934
00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:42,559
they've just paid a Second apron luxury tax, bill that

935
00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:43,440
will absolutely shock.

936
00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 2: Me, YEAH i will see how they go about. THIS

937
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:49,920
i just think generally, speaking that if you won a,

938
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,000
championship and if you have any aspirations to win, another

939
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,639
you pay up because, again that money is going to

940
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:01,000
come back again and. Again because LIKE i keep bringing

941
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:03,440
this up when it comes to money the bulls back

942
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,400
in the, day like how many millions have they made

943
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,679
just off having these continuous nights of let's celebrate the

944
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,119
ninety two, team let's celebrate the ninety three, Team let's do,

945
00:48:14,159 --> 00:48:16,480
this let's do, that let's do this type of night

946
00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:19,840
and people are just flocking in to buy all this

947
00:48:20,039 --> 00:48:24,599
crap that they're. SELLING i just think it's an. Investment

948
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:27,519
if you win multiple, CHAMPIONSHIPS i would.

949
00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: AGREE i do wonder if and this isn't pertaining to

950
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,199
the thunder, specifically but the rise of kind of private

951
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:37,400
equity ownership stakes or guys with those or people with those.

952
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,360
BACKGROUNDS i have, thought and this is A jaden. THOUGHT

953
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,760
i hope it doesn't come to. It if teams are

954
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,320
really run like a, business are there scenarios in which

955
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,599
it makes more sense from a profit perspective to not

956
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,679
win the championships as long as you're keeping your roster

957
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,119
expenses in, Place because how much is are those extra games? Worth?

958
00:48:56,639 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 2: Right?

959
00:48:57,639 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 1: Right, yeah that's pretty. Good that was JUST i DON'T

960
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,480
i have not thought that's a that's not even a

961
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,960
half big. Thought so it's something that occurred to, me

962
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,719
which kind of sucks that that would even like be

963
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:14,159
like like in the barrels of my, Brain, right where

964
00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:15,639
do you want to go? Next at your you know?

965
00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:18,519
What you get two in a. Row BECAUSE i hijacked this, one,

966
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:19,840
well SO i.

967
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,119
Speaker 2: Was actually trying to do a sequay there because uh,

968
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,400
bulls BECAUSE i, mean.

969
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,519
Speaker 1: Look i'm curious to see what what tenor this because

970
00:49:29,639 --> 00:49:31,519
when you sent it to, ME i was, LIKE i

971
00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:34,519
wonder what tenor this question is actually going to? Strike all?

972
00:49:34,599 --> 00:49:38,800
Right all? Right so they basically so or.

973
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 2: Not basically they Got Nick claxon And Norman powell without

974
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,559
relinquishing any assets because they traded For, claxton got him

975
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:49,519
in for free in a trade they Signed, powell meaning

976
00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:53,119
they did not give up any sort of draft equity or.

977
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:59,039
Anything AND i have to assume because if it's not the,

978
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:04,000
plan it's a bad. Plan uh, oh thank you for.

979
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:06,360
That i'm actually not trying to dunk on them for.

980
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,639
One but if because if they follow suit on, this

981
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,760
if they, say all, right we're gonna flip plax then

982
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,679
we're gonna Flip powell like at a trade that at

983
00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:19,400
the trade, deadline and we're actually gonna get like draft

984
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,320
equity from them without having relinquish any in the first.

985
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:27,079
Place chef's. Kiss that's because that would be good. Business

986
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:30,000
that would be a way to build up your your

987
00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:32,760
draft equity war. Chest that would be a good way

988
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,599
to just accumulate assets that you can spend later. On

989
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:41,280
SO i am extremely intrigued to see what is going

990
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,280
to happen With Nick lax And Norman, Powell like what

991
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,320
a eight months from?

992
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:53,639
Speaker 1: Now, RIGHT i will, SAY i see a lot of

993
00:50:53,679 --> 00:50:55,920
they could just Flip Norman powell for a first round

994
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,960
pick floating around out? There have? It Has Norman power

995
00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:02,320
ever met a first round pick in a trade? Before

996
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,239
and that's that's a fair.

997
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,079
Speaker 2: QUESTION i, LIKE i don't know if it's going to

998
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:09,920
be a First perhaps they get a ton of, seconds

999
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,559
and like apparently seconds can get.

1000
00:51:11,639 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: YOU i say this To.

1001
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,599
Speaker 2: Ward so my point is they could also you, know

1002
00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:19,079
get younger guys in there by trading the contract for.

1003
00:51:19,199 --> 00:51:22,639
Something my entire, point it's not just about the draft.

1004
00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:26,199
Picks it's just about can you get long, term high

1005
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,599
quality assets for those two, contracts, RIGHT i, mean that's

1006
00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:33,880
where we, are and if you can job well done

1007
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,639
frankly From bryce And, graham if he can do, this

1008
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,280
BECAUSE i do think it's smart to get quality in

1009
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,480
for free as long as you know how to leverage.

1010
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:46,920
It and like we knew That ak wouldn't be able

1011
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,760
to because he was just too. SORRY i, mean, look

1012
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,880
there's a reason he was. Fired like he was bad

1013
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:53,960
at this. Job come, On.

1014
00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:58,639
Speaker 1: I'm not disagreeing with you ON ak AND i don't

1015
00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:02,039
have a problem with This bulls off. SEASON i LIKE

1016
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:06,119
i Like Nicholas claxton more than, most and The Norman

1017
00:52:06,119 --> 00:52:08,599
powell deal is absolutely. FINE i could we get into

1018
00:52:08,639 --> 00:52:11,000
would you rather Have Norman powell at twenty plus million

1019
00:52:11,079 --> 00:52:14,719
Or Amfrey simon's at six might be an interesting, Question but,

1020
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:20,119
SAME i don't know that this offseason augurs anything other than.

1021
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,960
RESTRAINTS i don't know that it was a stroke of.

1022
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,679
Brilliance by the, way even the draft pick was made

1023
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,440
kind of easy for them With Caleb, Wilson like just

1024
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:32,119
Take Caleb. WILSON i like the, Idea like if Getting

1025
00:52:32,199 --> 00:52:36,039
Nick claxton is, okay So Caleb, Wilson Nick, claxton modest

1026
00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:38,159
bouzellis you just have a, Butt like you have a

1027
00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:41,159
bunch of rangy guys now that you can use on

1028
00:52:41,199 --> 00:52:45,880
the defensive. End But i'm, YEAH i don't. Know Dalleen,

1029
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,159
SWAYNE i love that draft pick as.

1030
00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, SAME i just.

1031
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: DON'T i GUESS i. DON'T i don't know what to

1032
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:53,480
read into The bulls off. Season it feels like one

1033
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,000
of restraint and the fact that we're celebrating it so,

1034
00:52:57,159 --> 00:53:01,360
much not to show, denigrated but, well the fact THAT i,

1035
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,000
guess the fact that it's notable or could be, CELEBRATED

1036
00:53:04,039 --> 00:53:06,559
i think speaks to how low the bar has become

1037
00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:08,039
for this, franchise.

1038
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 2: Right and that's that is WHY i, asked like, bulls

1039
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,079
like where are we? Here BECAUSE i do think it

1040
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:16,559
would be a smart play to do the things THAT

1041
00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:19,880
i outlined before by pivoting Off Claxton powell for, Assets

1042
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,480
but at the same, time we're at that point where

1043
00:53:23,519 --> 00:53:26,360
we don't even know if that's going to, materialize, Right

1044
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,679
like you can see here and talk about it all day.

1045
00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:31,239
Long like they still Have Josh gideon on the, roster

1046
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:37,960
WHICH i thought was an interesting. DECISION i probably would

1047
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,039
have pivoted off, him but it is what it. IS

1048
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:42,039
i think they're going to give him a chance under

1049
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,760
a new coaching staff and under a brand new. Reshime and,

1050
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,639
look perhaps he's the guy that They.

1051
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: What is the rush to trade him just because they're

1052
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,920
now the lottery is now firmly in The bulls' wheelhouse

1053
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,679
where The bulls have been doing pre bryce And graham

1054
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,960
makes a ton of sense to continue doing like.

1055
00:54:02,039 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 2: Unintentionally so, yeah, yeah, no you're, right and it's a fair,

1056
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,880
Point like you can, wait if he has a brilliant,

1057
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,440
season you can flip in that the deadline for it's,

1058
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,840
on BECAUSE i still don't think that a team With

1059
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,159
josh giddeyon and handling the ball to the extent that

1060
00:54:16,199 --> 00:54:19,639
he does is going to go. Anywhere like but if

1061
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:28,119
another team you, know bites and takes the, bait, fine, Fine.

1062
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:33,039
Speaker 1: SO i guess the question is do you feel, better,

1063
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,199
worse or the same about their direction based on what

1064
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,239
you've seen so far this? Offseason?

1065
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 2: Better, better better in the sense that they understand value

1066
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,239
to a better extent THAN ak does or DID I

1067
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:52,440
i because, Again, Glaxton, powell those are not bad. Acquisitions,

1068
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,559
like even if this team is hell bent on being

1069
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:57,960
a playing team a year and a year out because of,

1070
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,679
ownership at least you got great freaking value out Of

1071
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,519
claxton And powell contractually.

1072
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: Speaking do you think it would have, WELL i think

1073
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,159
what you could, argue would it have been a better

1074
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,440
use of cap, space whether It's claxton Or powell to

1075
00:55:13,559 --> 00:55:17,480
have messed with some of the restricted free agent offer.

1076
00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:20,440
Sheets tarson was sitting right there for less than a

1077
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:24,119
mid level. Apparently, yeah they could have made things really

1078
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,800
uncomfortable For Peyton. Watson and by the, Way i'm. SURPRISED

1079
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,000
i thought The clippers were gonna do. IT i thought

1080
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,360
they were the team that was going to act with

1081
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,000
cap space when we were looking at how their off

1082
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:36,960
season was. Unfolding and now they Gave ruy part of

1083
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,559
the mL. E so that's clearly not going to. Happen

1084
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:42,880
But i'm just surprised no one made it uncomfortable For

1085
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,480
denvery yet. Yet but there's really only one option to

1086
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:46,079
do so right.

1087
00:55:46,119 --> 00:55:50,199
Speaker 2: NOW i thought The bulls would be the primary team

1088
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:54,280
For Peyton. WATSON i thought. SO i thought he was

1089
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,360
the guy to go for because it felt like he

1090
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:02,320
also fit Into bryce And kram's ideology of, length that

1091
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,599
The lettuceism's size and all. That SO i was very

1092
00:56:06,679 --> 00:56:10,159
surprised they didn't go that. Route and, yes if you're putting, that,

1093
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,840
like ask the two options they, had like Sign Norman

1094
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:17,000
powell or gra After Peyton. Watson you're absolutely Right Peyton,

1095
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:20,119
watson you, know by a freaking. Mile if you ask, me,

1096
00:56:20,679 --> 00:56:22,199
so that is definitely.

1097
00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:26,599
Speaker 1: Interesting, WELL i to Be i'm to undermine my own,

1098
00:56:26,599 --> 00:56:29,119
point there's a chance you just don't Get Peyton watson

1099
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:30,880
because The nuggets. Match i'm just wondering if it would

1100
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,519
have been a better use of cap space to do

1101
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,559
something along by the, WAY i Think Norman powell they

1102
00:56:35,639 --> 00:56:38,280
kind of just needed because they needed a, shooter a

1103
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,559
shooter and a driver on this. Roster, yes so that

1104
00:56:41,559 --> 00:56:44,159
Deal i'm totally fine. With, also if that's all costs

1105
00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:46,159
to Keep Anthony, SIMONS i don't know if he just

1106
00:56:46,159 --> 00:56:47,840
wanted to play for a better. TEAM i have questions

1107
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,960
about why he CHOSE i think great fit for The.

1108
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,320
SIXERS i don't really Understand Anthony simons's point of view from.

1109
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,559
It IT'S i guess it's more so The clackston, stuff

1110
00:56:56,559 --> 00:56:58,199
but even The powell, THING i THINK i would have

1111
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:02,079
preferred to have been more aggressive on the open market

1112
00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:06,000
first and then. Revisited you, know was The Nicholas claxton

1113
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:09,239
deal going? ANYWHERE i know that like it's being folded

1114
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,840
into as part of a larger. Transaction, sure all, right

1115
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,639
if you don't Have Nick, claxton then you don't Have Nick,

1116
00:57:13,639 --> 00:57:17,960
claxton right, Right so that would BE i Think i'm

1117
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,760
about the same where it's'm open minded as the befront office,

1118
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,480
regime and the restraint IS i suppose. Refreshing would you

1119
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:25,079
want to talk about?

1120
00:57:25,079 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 2: Next, so, uh let's see where it. Was, Oh, Charlotte,

1121
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,199
charlotte we need to talk About.

1122
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:32,719
Speaker 1: Charlotte.

1123
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 2: Look, look you know HOW i felt About. LaMelo i

1124
00:57:38,039 --> 00:57:40,440
still feel the same way About. LaMelo you know HOW

1125
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,360
i felt About Miles, bridges still feel that way About Miles.

1126
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: Prichious both of them are.

1127
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:50,679
Speaker 2: Gone they re Sign Kobe, white who's like a green

1128
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:51,480
flag type of.

1129
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:52,199
Speaker 1: Player for, me.

1130
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 2: This is going to give them more chance to Get Kanka.

1131
00:57:56,599 --> 00:58:02,039
Nipple and by the, Way Hans Christian, anderson come, on come,

1132
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:05,360
on that's just for A. Dane that's just. BEAUTIFUL i

1133
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,920
need that to get out. There Like John holding here

1134
00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:12,400
made that up and that's just. Perfect so like getting

1135
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:16,199
two quality rookies in. There JUST i, mean so you're

1136
00:58:16,199 --> 00:58:20,199
A steinbach. Guy, Yeah, look let the entire nation in,

1137
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:25,239
rebounding Like dirky's was basically a part of, his like

1138
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,920
his mentorship, Circle like what are we doing? HERE i

1139
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,280
know he's only shot like thirty four percent room. Three

1140
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,719
that can be. TAUGHT i thought he was far more

1141
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:40,039
physical inside THAN i anticipated. That, yeah, Yeah i'm A steinbeck.

1142
00:58:40,119 --> 00:58:45,280
Guy And anderson like with the shooting. Capabilities like Basically

1143
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:49,239
white moved Into lamello's role And anderson moved Into Gooby white's.

1144
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:53,039
ROLE i think that's. Interesting like To John salon will

1145
00:58:53,079 --> 00:58:56,840
have that this is his third season coming, IN i

1146
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:02,840
just think this team could surprise, us surprise us in what? Positively,

1147
00:59:03,079 --> 00:59:05,320
NO i, know but what is what would a surprise

1148
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:06,159
look like for this?

1149
00:59:06,199 --> 00:59:13,159
Speaker 1: Team top? Six oh, yeah, no there's No i'll no really, Wow,

1150
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:14,000
YEAH i can't get.

1151
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 2: No, No, No i'm Not i'm not sitting here saying lock it.

1152
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,199
In i'm Saying i'm not. Close LIKE i would have

1153
00:59:20,239 --> 00:59:23,199
closed the door on that if they hadn't made those two.

1154
00:59:23,239 --> 00:59:26,920
Moves now that they have made those two, moves.

1155
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,119
Speaker 1: You, Would i'm, sorry you would have closed the door

1156
00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:32,159
on them making the tops had they kept the mellow

1157
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,599
and And Miles, Bridges, YES I Miles bridges think it's

1158
00:59:36,599 --> 00:59:39,039
just he's like looking at just. BASKETBALL i think he's

1159
00:59:39,079 --> 00:59:42,320
one of the biggest empty calories. Guys, Exactly except that's

1160
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,760
kind of the Point i'm. Making The mellow was there's

1161
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:49,639
statistical proof that he was an offensive boom for a

1162
00:59:49,679 --> 00:59:52,320
team that was in the top five of offense and

1163
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,280
defense was better with him on the floor for six

1164
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,079
And wells last, Year so keeping lamellow would have made

1165
00:59:58,079 --> 00:59:59,760
it less likely that they were in the top sixth.

1166
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 2: Lead, yeah BECAUSE i still think that this takes them

1167
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:08,360
of a. Level, Yes i'm how how does? OH I because,

1168
01:00:08,679 --> 01:00:12,639
frankly you cannot trust the, defense you cannot trust the decision.

1169
01:00:12,719 --> 01:00:14,960
Making you can also not trust the fact that he

1170
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:19,239
will embrace being lower on The Totem, bowl because, again

1171
01:00:19,639 --> 01:00:22,199
he is all over the place in terms of like

1172
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,599
lacking of leadership. QUALITIES i just think this is one

1173
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,920
that the best the best EXAMPLE i have is this

1174
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,559
feels like When sacramento now going way, back Traded Jason

1175
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:36,639
williams From Mike baby basically, saying, look we need someone

1176
01:00:36,639 --> 01:00:41,800
who's far more disciplined to come in and actually play

1177
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,239
within the scheme of the, offense to come in and

1178
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:48,599
do something. RIGHT i Think Cope white in, particular is

1179
01:00:48,639 --> 01:00:52,159
that version instead Of, LaMelo Like LaMelo is far more.

1180
01:00:52,239 --> 01:00:55,039
Talented who's on this roster right?

1181
01:00:55,079 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: Now?

1182
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, absolutely that's a fair, question because hell IF

1183
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,880
i know, that Could Cob white could be Random miller

1184
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,360
for ALL i care, like.

1185
01:01:04,639 --> 01:01:07,159
Speaker 1: Why are you feeling better? About is the? Defense you

1186
01:01:07,159 --> 01:01:09,800
don't want to get any better than last season.

1187
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,119
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i didn't necessarily trust. IT i thought when they

1188
01:01:12,159 --> 01:01:15,000
hit that mark like that was a, long big sample.

1189
01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:18,360
SIZE i. Concede i'm not saying necessarily it's just the.

1190
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,960
Defense i'm saying the offensive. Cohesion i'm thinking the team wide.

1191
01:01:22,039 --> 01:01:25,000
CHEMISTRY i think they're gonna have bigger buy. IN i

1192
01:01:25,039 --> 01:01:27,039
am a fan of what they, did AND i think

1193
01:01:27,079 --> 01:01:29,840
this lifts them off long.

1194
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: Term THEY i think there's just gonna be division In

1195
01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:36,519
LaMelo ranks as to the impact it has On. CHARLOTTE

1196
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:38,760
i THINK i understand that they're taking a longer view,

1197
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,480
Here SO i understand that even IF i wouldn't have

1198
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,239
made the, Trade i'm open to the idea Of charlotte

1199
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:48,039
being better relative to where expectations are right now after those.

1200
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:52,840
Moves to, me the argument that they're just gonna be

1201
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,280
a playoff team because they got rid Of LaMelo immediate

1202
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,440
like Immediate, No, obviously obviously you elevate other.

1203
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 2: Players that that's the main selling, point, Right it's not

1204
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:06,239
just it's not additioned by subtraction. Entirely it's also the

1205
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,360
fact that you get players who are more disciplined to

1206
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:12,400
ump their their volume, up their their, usage trade up their.

1207
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,360
MINUTES i just this is all. Right you know WHAT

1208
01:02:15,519 --> 01:02:19,000
i fucking hate going. Here this is becoming a Good vibes.

1209
01:02:19,039 --> 01:02:21,400
Team like you know, ME i don't usually go into

1210
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,000
The vibes. Thing this is What this is Where i'm

1211
01:02:25,039 --> 01:02:28,079
making an exception because this feels like a team that

1212
01:02:28,119 --> 01:02:31,400
got rid of two guys where The vibes can occasionally

1213
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:32,800
go like this.

1214
01:02:33,079 --> 01:02:33,599
Speaker 1: And that's not.

1215
01:02:33,679 --> 01:02:36,079
Speaker 2: Great now they have a baseline to go out. Of

1216
01:02:36,519 --> 01:02:39,840
this is a likable. Team this is something that is

1217
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,320
far easier to get. Behind this is a team that

1218
01:02:42,639 --> 01:02:46,719
seems to have good guys now mostly layered throughout the entire.

1219
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:48,480
Roster AND i think that fucking.

1220
01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 1: MATTERS i The Miles bridge, STUFF i just can't argue

1221
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:57,280
and won't argue. Again, WELL i don't Think LaMelo to,

1222
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:58,800
ME i never got the sense he was a Bad

1223
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:03,039
vibes guy If Charles lee disliked. Him BUT i if

1224
01:03:03,039 --> 01:03:05,239
this team is top LIKE i, DON'T i think their

1225
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,599
ceiling is maybe. NINTH i GUESS i just don't trust

1226
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,239
because who is gonna who do we? Trust to? Pop

1227
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,280
is That, okay, yeah elevate guys into bigger. ROLES i

1228
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,519
do think we're underestimating how much of the offense was

1229
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:19,599
funneled To Brandon miller last, year And LaMelo did work within.

1230
01:03:19,679 --> 01:03:23,079
That BUT i don't know who we're just trusting as

1231
01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:26,480
a as a playmaker, HERE i would have made The miles,

1232
01:03:26,519 --> 01:03:28,440
Deal Miles bridges, deal regardless of gim me grace and

1233
01:03:29,559 --> 01:03:31,679
increase the. Depth, yeah and Get Miles bridges off the.

1234
01:03:31,679 --> 01:03:36,480
Team but WHAT i don't Like Kobe, White Brandon, miller

1235
01:03:36,519 --> 01:03:39,360
And Conk. NIPPLE i guess they're Like Christian. ANDERSON i

1236
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,159
don't know how MUCH i trust those guys to be

1237
01:03:42,199 --> 01:03:44,239
able to prop. Up we don't have the sample to

1238
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,119
be fair of what does it look like When Kobe,

1239
01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:48,480
White Brandon, miller and kN Kan niple we are playing Without.

1240
01:03:48,519 --> 01:03:52,159
LaMelo that sample is just so. SMALL i think you're

1241
01:03:52,239 --> 01:03:55,159
banking on even looking at like, WHO i just don't

1242
01:03:55,199 --> 01:03:56,880
know who the guy THAT i would expect to pop

1243
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,360
as a driver of offense for everybody. ELSE i Guess

1244
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,880
nipple Or miller's the. Pick or unless you think That

1245
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,039
Christian anderson comes in and is just ready.

1246
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 2: SEE i understand, that AND i think that is a

1247
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,519
fair counterpoint in terms of the lack of. Playmaking WHAT

1248
01:04:12,679 --> 01:04:15,000
i think there is a cohesion element in, This like

1249
01:04:15,039 --> 01:04:17,599
we've seen teams in the past that doesn't have that

1250
01:04:17,679 --> 01:04:22,239
hasn't had necessarily like a main guy just be efficient either.

1251
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,559
Way it's, LIKE i Like Kobe white is not a bad,

1252
01:04:25,599 --> 01:04:29,280
playmaker kan K nipple is not a bad. Playmaker, like

1253
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,599
it's just you're not. Elite AND i will Give lamlo

1254
01:04:32,719 --> 01:04:36,599
that like in terms of the court, vision major major

1255
01:04:36,639 --> 01:04:40,320
loss in that, department, Absolutely but none of these guys

1256
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:41,760
are throwing the ball around willy.

1257
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:42,159
Speaker 1: Nilly.

1258
01:04:42,719 --> 01:04:47,559
Speaker 2: Like they're very competent players who understand their. Boundaries they

1259
01:04:47,679 --> 01:04:50,760
understand where they're their own limitations are, at so they'll

1260
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,639
play within that, SCHEME i, mean with within that frame

1261
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,800
As and another point to this is they got nasried In,

1262
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:01,000
Grayceon Allen royce. O'Neil a lot of these guys will

1263
01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:03,880
take long range shots and a lot of this will

1264
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,280
be you, know driving, kick which is necessarily the most,

1265
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,440
difficult like highest green form of playmaking out.

1266
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: There SO i just trust that this.

1267
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:17,239
Speaker 2: Team is going to be obviously very perimeter, oriented and

1268
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:18,639
that means a lot of three point.

1269
01:05:18,719 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: Shots you can get the ball to. Shooters let's go

1270
01:05:23,719 --> 01:05:29,199
to The Utah. Jazz do they need another Big they

1271
01:05:29,199 --> 01:05:32,400
Have Jackson hayes and use Of. Nurkic Kyle philipowski is

1272
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,400
still there. Too in the end that The Walker kessler

1273
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,519
deal grant AND i don't know where if you want

1274
01:05:36,519 --> 01:05:39,199
to talk about that more the. TRADE i really wanted

1275
01:05:39,199 --> 01:05:41,559
to See Walker kessler play next To Jaron Jackson junior

1276
01:05:41,559 --> 01:05:45,559
And lowry Market. In BUT i do think the amount

1277
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:48,679
The lakers gave up from a jazz's, perspective given how

1278
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:52,400
Unhappy Walker kessler seemed with not getting an, EXTENSION i

1279
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,119
don't know that that's a Trade utah could have reasonably

1280
01:05:55,159 --> 01:05:55,880
turned down.

1281
01:05:56,320 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 2: Right, No, no they got so much and nurkis, Stare

1282
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:05,559
Jackson hayes is there like they're trying to cobble together

1283
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:07,119
a solid center.

1284
01:06:07,239 --> 01:06:09,039
Speaker 1: Rotation all of. THAT i get.

1285
01:06:09,079 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 2: It kessler would have, been you, know the diamond to

1286
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,559
this current iteration of The, jazz like that's just the

1287
01:06:16,599 --> 01:06:18,760
way it. Is and defensively, speaking of, course but like

1288
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:22,159
when you're offered, that and they were also balking at

1289
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:26,679
the financial, NUMBERS i think it's entirely fair to just

1290
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,800
take it because, like how many picks does team have right?

1291
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 1: Now are? They are they not? Loaded? There flushing? Again,

1292
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:34,360
YEAH i mean they gave up some of The Jaron

1293
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,760
Jackson junior train and then made it back tenfold from

1294
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:37,920
The Walker kessler sign and.

1295
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 2: Train, yeah, exactly which means in many ways you Got

1296
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:42,079
Jaron Jackson junior for.

1297
01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:47,719
Speaker 1: FREE i, MEAN i mean you, can you can choose

1298
01:06:47,719 --> 01:06:50,039
to look at it that, way but you still Lost

1299
01:06:50,039 --> 01:06:52,800
Walker kessler as part of all that you have D

1300
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,800
i was very much kidding to be pick neutral basically

1301
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,199
after the, fact though, impressive right, Right.

1302
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 2: So if you want another big, man do you want

1303
01:07:03,519 --> 01:07:05,760
that to be a center or like an ad child?

1304
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,079
Speaker 1: Four, well that's that's WHAT i was going to ask,

1305
01:07:08,119 --> 01:07:10,440
you BECAUSE i think you could make the case and

1306
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,480
say just paper over the center minutes you Have nurkic

1307
01:07:13,559 --> 01:07:16,039
And Jackson, hayes and then your closing lineup might have

1308
01:07:16,119 --> 01:07:18,800
always been we Want Jaron Jackson junior at the. Five

1309
01:07:19,719 --> 01:07:22,480
The Memphis grizzlies had been about league average or worse

1310
01:07:22,639 --> 01:07:25,840
defensively with him at the five since twenty twenty twenty twenty.

1311
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:29,599
Three they've also seldom been. HEALTHY i will, say, THOUGH

1312
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:33,239
i think Putting jackson at the five too often takes

1313
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,239
him out of the role he's best suited to. Play

1314
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:39,639
AND i also think that it's probably riskier unless you

1315
01:07:39,679 --> 01:07:43,920
think you have enough on ball defensive juice in front of,

1316
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:48,239
him which as of right, NOW i MEAN i Like Cody,

1317
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,559
williams like his defense has probably ticked. UP i think

1318
01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:53,199
Case bailey's gonna be a good. Defender Darren peterson should be,

1319
01:07:53,239 --> 01:07:55,920
fine but as a right, NOW i don't know that

1320
01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:01,079
you have enough. There so that's Why i'm wondering if

1321
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,519
it behooves them to try and get someone who is

1322
01:08:04,239 --> 01:08:06,199
better than it doesn't need to be someone you invest

1323
01:08:06,239 --> 01:08:09,480
a ton of equity. In but it's oh better Than Jackson,

1324
01:08:09,519 --> 01:08:12,840
hayes even like better than use Of nurkic, You oh

1325
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,960
so they should just sign? You? Right sign? Me is

1326
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:16,760
being better than Jack.

1327
01:08:17,239 --> 01:08:20,640
Speaker 2: JACKSON i Think Jackson hayes is full of empty. CALORIES

1328
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,680
i don't like him as a. Player that was a.

1329
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:24,680
JOKE i was kidding.

1330
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,399
Speaker 1: That he seems like he's got some questionable off court stuff.

1331
01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:29,239
Too so oh, YEAH i think that's too. Right that

1332
01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:31,720
doesn't help. There that does SO a name THAT i

1333
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:33,760
had thought, OF i don't know what it cost to get,

1334
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,159
them but we're actually this is a segue from the

1335
01:08:36,159 --> 01:08:38,680
team we just talked. About in The. Hornets they Have,

1336
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,600
steinbach they have Calk, brenner they have Nase. Red two

1337
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,520
of those guys are probably best suited at the four

1338
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:47,439
and read In. Steinbach but if they're taking the longer,

1339
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:49,920
View Mosa diabathe is gonna be a free agent next. Summer.

1340
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,800
Hmmm him on The jazz and now they would have

1341
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:55,560
to worry about his free, agency but he's not gonna

1342
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:59,199
cost anywhere Near Walker. KESSLER i think he would make

1343
01:08:59,199 --> 01:09:01,199
a lot of sense on a lot of, teams but

1344
01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:04,680
In utah, specifically it's the salary STRUCTURE i, think even

1345
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,920
after this year not the. Best like it's just not

1346
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:11,760
on the level Of Walker kessler, defensively but he's probably

1347
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,159
you trust him in space. More and THEN i think

1348
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:16,079
If Jaron Jackson junior is in front of him and

1349
01:09:16,119 --> 01:09:18,720
you have bigger you're always gonna also have Either Lowry

1350
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:22,359
markin Or Ace bailey around him just that. SIZE i

1351
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:24,920
think that would be the type of MOVE i would

1352
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,960
like to see them go out and make to feel

1353
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,039
better BECAUSE i was. READY i made this joke On Blue.

1354
01:09:29,039 --> 01:09:31,720
SKY i was ready to pencil in The jazz for

1355
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,399
fifty plus victories before The Walker kessler. Trade THEN i

1356
01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:37,600
was Watching Darren Peterson's Summer league debut AND i, Said

1357
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,720
i'm still excited to pencil in the jazzer more than,

1358
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,000
Said i'm not actually sure If i'm there. YET i

1359
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,319
haven't sat down and done, it BUT i want to.

1360
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:47,960
See i'd like to see a better five on the

1361
01:09:48,039 --> 01:09:51,279
who's not triple j on this? Roster and they clearly

1362
01:09:51,319 --> 01:09:53,279
have the assets to go get. THEM i guess my

1363
01:09:53,399 --> 01:09:56,119
question to you, was is there an incentive to doing that?

1364
01:09:56,239 --> 01:09:57,720
Now or is this more of a, well let's just

1365
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:01,319
wait and see way it happens waiting at the.

1366
01:10:01,359 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 2: Bumble, yeah BUT i, mean, LOOK i will say your

1367
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:11,239
idea Of abase, yeah, look Look CHANDLER sv threat. Scene

1368
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:14,159
he would be right to do so because he's. Awesome

1369
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:16,119
diabase is. AWESOME i love.

1370
01:10:16,199 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 1: Him that does meaned to leave The hornets, though? Right? No,

1371
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,199
no no? No what was he? Like best friends With LaMelo?

1372
01:10:22,279 --> 01:10:25,239
Too maybe they Isolated Musa. Diabat Maybe i'm imagining, that

1373
01:10:25,279 --> 01:10:28,319
but maybe they ended up just isolating Isolating Musa diabate

1374
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:28,680
with that.

1375
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:33,159
Speaker 2: Trade ALL i know is That Mussat diabase Locked wemp

1376
01:10:33,359 --> 01:10:38,520
the f up over the in the regular season for one,

1377
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:42,920
game like completely annihilated. Him you don't do that if

1378
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:46,279
you are not extremely potent of a defensive.

1379
01:10:46,279 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 1: Player, YEAH i mean he but that that would be

1380
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:52,199
the type of. MOVE i, MEAN i Had kita on the,

1381
01:10:52,199 --> 01:10:54,319
list but he just got his, extension so he'd be off.

1382
01:10:54,319 --> 01:10:57,000
It if you were waiting until mid. Season this probably

1383
01:10:57,039 --> 01:10:59,279
cost you a ton of pick. Equity but let's just

1384
01:10:59,279 --> 01:11:02,039
say The hawks and goes off the rails And Yuko

1385
01:11:02,119 --> 01:11:06,640
congo's available marketing Triple Jared Jackson junior and On Yukko.

1386
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,520
Congu that's not you don't have the biggest five man

1387
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:13,800
like the six ten. Center, Yeah Jared Jackson, junior same

1388
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,640
thing that would. Work, yeah, YEAH i don't think you.

1389
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:18,640
Should that's not to be fair, Though that's probably not

1390
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:23,000
where you should be allocating your your trade. ASSETS i

1391
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,960
would be fun as hell to, watch but it was

1392
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,239
on that it was a even. Look If charlotte wants

1393
01:11:27,239 --> 01:11:29,199
to get rid Of Ryan, KALKBRENNER i think he's probably

1394
01:11:29,199 --> 01:11:32,840
better Than Jackson hayes at this point. Already, yeah as

1395
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:34,960
a standstill rim. Protector he's just he's just gonna be.

1396
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:38,520
Speaker 2: Bigger and that's WHY i think Ultimately nourki is just

1397
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:40,920
gonna play It son because you you're gonna need the.

1398
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:44,399
REBOUNDING i mean With kessler out like you were always

1399
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,640
on my ass for, saying oh the rebounding and the

1400
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,279
rebounding like With jackson ju and your marketing with No

1401
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:50,479
kessler in there.

1402
01:11:52,279 --> 01:11:54,319
Speaker 1: To rebound the shit That the.

1403
01:11:54,279 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 2: THING i take exception too IS i don't know why

1404
01:11:56,039 --> 01:11:59,399
you Think Larry markinen is a terrible. Rebounder, no, no,

1405
01:11:59,399 --> 01:12:02,039
No i'm saying he's. Not like he's not an elite

1406
01:12:02,079 --> 01:12:04,760
rebounder nor And Jackson hay or sorry Not. Jackson Jaron

1407
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,359
Jackson junior is out right. Bad so like the combination

1408
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:10,760
of that frontline is just, worrisome, Right like you need

1409
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,199
to have someone in there who just goes get you

1410
01:12:13,239 --> 01:12:16,600
a board Like marketnen as well has had issues on

1411
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:18,560
the glass, Before like we can't.

1412
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 1: He's not your he's not the most, physical but he's

1413
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:24,079
with the exceptional last season When Walker kessler didn't, play

1414
01:12:24,119 --> 01:12:28,399
so that's per. Fair but he's rated as eighty six

1415
01:12:28,399 --> 01:12:31,800
percentile on defensive rebounding ninety, fourth ninetieth the past two

1416
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,560
seasons In, Utah i've not Been banner rebounding seasons for

1417
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:35,760
him on the defensive glass.

1418
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 2: Though you are right, Right So i'm just, saying, like

1419
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:43,079
that's the, Thing but, yet could they use another big?

1420
01:12:43,119 --> 01:12:43,239
Speaker 1: Man?

1421
01:12:43,279 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Like BUT i, like are there? Minutes because if

1422
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,760
they're gonna Play, nurkic which they will because they just

1423
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:53,840
paid him twenty one, million and they're gonna Play Jaron Jackson,

1424
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,439
junior they're gonna Play Lauri, MARKTON i assume they're gonna

1425
01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:00,720
Play Kyle philbhowski as. Well like where it's gonna come?

1426
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:05,399
Speaker 1: From, well, again my thought, Was i'm Playing diabaatee over

1427
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:08,359
someone like. Him i'm playing him over all the, bigs

1428
01:13:08,399 --> 01:13:10,479
Not Jared, jackson, you but all the standard options that

1429
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,279
they have right. Now so that wasn't that's to. Me

1430
01:13:13,359 --> 01:13:15,359
the minutes will, Be, oh when Is Jackson hayes gonna?

1431
01:13:15,359 --> 01:13:17,640
Play it would be the question That i'd be asking, Sudden,

1432
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,159
yeah that makes, sense makes. SENSE i do you understand

1433
01:13:20,199 --> 01:13:22,640
your point of why? Not just that at this point

1434
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:24,439
they do seem like they're and wait and see, Mode

1435
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:28,359
BUT I i was so stuck on Seeing Walker, Kesla

1436
01:13:28,399 --> 01:13:30,800
Larry market And Jared Jackson junior play together THAT i

1437
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:33,600
want someone else at the five other Than Usuf nurkic Or.

1438
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:35,840
Jackson ray's JUST i feel Like i'm, oded you know

1439
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,159
WHAT i? Mean, yeah, NO i hear, YOU i hear.

1440
01:13:38,199 --> 01:13:39,680
You where do you want to go?

1441
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:43,680
Speaker 2: Next SO i only have one more thing on the,

1442
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:48,880
list and that is what even are The Washington? Wizards

1443
01:13:50,079 --> 01:13:52,960
what are they at this? Point Like davis is in?

1444
01:13:53,039 --> 01:13:56,279
There they traded For DeAndre, Aiden they Signed Tree young

1445
01:13:56,319 --> 01:13:59,880
to a contract that it was just way too rich

1446
01:14:00,079 --> 01:14:02,279
for my, blood way too. Rich you AND i were

1447
01:14:02,279 --> 01:14:04,680
talking about like thirty five forty million a. Year then

1448
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,119
he signed for what fifty?

1449
01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:10,039
Speaker 1: Three he also got a trade kicker at a player, option.

1450
01:14:10,319 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 2: RIGHT I i just don't know what this team. Is

1451
01:14:15,279 --> 01:14:18,399
and that's that's not necessarily a bad thing because they

1452
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:20,479
haven't pivot away from the young, guys, Right like Du

1453
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:24,840
bonsa is, there and like Stars, Thereabali Trey, JOHNSON i,

1454
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:26,680
mean Obviously Cam.

1455
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 1: Wiche george Will, Riley.

1456
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:33,239
Speaker 2: Orge, Yeah Tristan, vucevic Justin, champagne like they they have

1457
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:36,239
guys there and and by the, Way Julian reese and

1458
01:14:36,359 --> 01:14:39,800
of the deceason on a high, note like they have good,

1459
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:43,399
talent they have good, Players BUT i, mean at the

1460
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,840
end of the, DAY i just don't see the cohesion,

1461
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:48,560
here like what are they trying to? Win?

1462
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 1: Now are they trying to be?

1463
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:53,640
Speaker 2: Competitive like as of twenty twenty, six twenty twenty, seven

1464
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:54,239
are they looking?

1465
01:14:54,239 --> 01:14:56,039
Speaker 1: Ahead like what are? We what are we doing? HERE

1466
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:01,279
i think there's one lottery for so that goes WITHOUT

1467
01:15:01,359 --> 01:15:03,279
i think that we can can that go without saying

1468
01:15:03,279 --> 01:15:05,760
from now? On or DO i constantly need to qualify?

1469
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,840
That but there clearly WAS i think when we saw

1470
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,800
The Trey young And Anthony davis, trades as opportunistic AS

1471
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,399
i thought they were at the, time there was clearly

1472
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:18,279
a mandate there from the good we need to get.

1473
01:15:18,279 --> 01:15:22,159
BETTER i don't know how good they can they can.

1474
01:15:22,199 --> 01:15:25,000
BE i think that the center, rotation if it's the

1475
01:15:25,039 --> 01:15:28,399
big man rotation With Saar davis And, ayton that's actually

1476
01:15:28,399 --> 01:15:31,399
in a pretty good, space Even Tristian vuksovich being. There

1477
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:35,520
BUT i also have questions still about this team's floor.

1478
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:41,079
Spacing and then just With Trey, young he's a good,

1479
01:15:41,079 --> 01:15:44,279
player the three point efficiency has been for him in

1480
01:15:44,319 --> 01:15:47,720
the gutter for a couple of years, now AND i

1481
01:15:48,359 --> 01:15:51,840
think we've still yet to see can he play different

1482
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:55,159
styles in a larger ecosystem where he isn't the sole,

1483
01:15:55,199 --> 01:15:58,079
Focus AND i think THAT'S i think it's important because

1484
01:15:58,119 --> 01:16:00,600
of the other guys on this roster in, general whether To, Keijan,

1485
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,680
George Trey, johnson BUT i think it's most important because

1486
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:08,520
Now ajdabants is here and he has never ranked more

1487
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,199
for his. Career he has never ranked lower than fourth

1488
01:16:11,239 --> 01:16:14,359
in the league in the percentage of his offensive time

1489
01:16:14,399 --> 01:16:16,800
spent on the, ball and the only time he didn't

1490
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:18,800
rank in the top four was last year when he ranked,

1491
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:22,800
Seventh and so we just haven't seen. It that's my big,

1492
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:26,640
question which is WHY i was just flabbergasted by that.

1493
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:30,600
Contract you just acquired him in a salary dump they.

1494
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:35,720
Have So i'll say, THIS i think it's more likely

1495
01:16:36,079 --> 01:16:39,600
if both teams are equally, HEALTHY i think it's more

1496
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:41,800
likely The wizards are in the top six next year Than.

1497
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:46,479
CHARLOTTE i Think charlotte may have the more coherent long

1498
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,960
term plan in, place but The wizards are just teaming

1499
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:55,079
with so much individual, talent and it's not even ill fitting.

1500
01:16:55,119 --> 01:16:57,880
Talent they're like a real deep. TEAM i think it's

1501
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,279
just you need a couple things to pop in the

1502
01:17:01,319 --> 01:17:04,159
sense of who's going to become the better? Shooter and

1503
01:17:04,199 --> 01:17:07,279
Can Trey young play? Different the health stuff with ad that's,

1504
01:17:07,319 --> 01:17:10,439
Obvious but Can Alex Sar we've seen him hit a

1505
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,199
higher clip of his. Threes can he do that for

1506
01:17:12,199 --> 01:17:16,079
an entire? Season what does can Blow kulabali hit more

1507
01:17:16,119 --> 01:17:18,560
of his? Threes? Right Does Keishaw george look? Like is

1508
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:22,159
more of a secondary option when when he's? Healthy what

1509
01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:23,800
does agent de BoNT to look like right out of the?

1510
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:25,399
Gate what type of license is he going to? Have

1511
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:27,960
what type of agency is he going to have on the? OFFENSE,

1512
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:30,720
YEP i don't know what The wizards. Are i'm, intrigued,

1513
01:17:31,359 --> 01:17:32,760
confused but intrigued.

1514
01:17:33,119 --> 01:17:36,159
Speaker 2: Exactly and that's WHERE i am, Too LIKE i want

1515
01:17:36,159 --> 01:17:39,000
to be optimistic about. This i'm going to be optimistic

1516
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:40,920
about this because, again it seems like.

1517
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 1: They have the one foot in the.

1518
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,239
Speaker 2: Wind now they have the one the other foot in in, like,

1519
01:17:45,239 --> 01:17:49,560
like let's straight try to win later or develop guys

1520
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,960
or whatever you want to frame. It Ass like we've

1521
01:17:53,079 --> 01:17:56,039
seen it. Before boston tried to do the same. Thing

1522
01:17:56,159 --> 01:17:59,680
didn't quite, Work but at least this makes a little

1523
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:01,760
bit more sense because you still don't have like the

1524
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:08,279
elite floor like floor, leading general court, vision ish guard

1525
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,720
outside Of Trey, young within The young, frame within The

1526
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:17,560
young core. Framework so, like perhaps this just. Works Like

1527
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:21,439
I'm i'm not ruling that, out BUT I i have.

1528
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,359
Questions is pretty much Where i'm landing on. This what

1529
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:26,760
do you think you're Running you're coaching The.

1530
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 1: Wizards well that's the other thing here THAT'S i don't

1531
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,800
know if it's, confusing But i'm just clocking. It so

1532
01:18:32,199 --> 01:18:34,960
you Elevate David vanderpool to the front, office and he

1533
01:18:35,119 --> 01:18:38,079
was on the front office track previously in twenty, thirteen

1534
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:41,079
so that's but now you Have Patrick ewing And Steve

1535
01:18:41,119 --> 01:18:43,319
clifford there as, assistants and you do have a new

1536
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:45,640
lead not a new lead assistant to be promoted from

1537
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:49,359
within on the lead. Assistant i'm just just, watching like

1538
01:18:49,399 --> 01:18:51,000
a lot of, people Of Brian keith as the coach

1539
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:52,439
that's going to be the next to. GO i don't

1540
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:54,199
know if The wizards are so urgent it'd be a

1541
01:18:54,239 --> 01:18:58,039
move made mid. Season but that's another thing that's going

1542
01:18:58,039 --> 01:19:01,000
on with this. Team what is, It but your, coach

1543
01:19:01,039 --> 01:19:05,239
You're Brian. Keith what's your best without seeing it in?

1544
01:19:05,319 --> 01:19:10,560
Action what is your default five man? Lineup my? Default all?

1545
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:17,800
Right trey DO i? Go keishean Over Trey?

1546
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:22,359
Speaker 2: JOHNSTON i THINK i? Do, yeah, YEAH i. DO i,

1547
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:25,520
Agree and.

1548
01:19:24,359 --> 01:19:26,159
Speaker 1: And trey on the court together is gonna would be

1549
01:19:26,199 --> 01:19:28,119
a defensive. Catastrophe you're.

1550
01:19:28,199 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 2: Right and it's a little bit small, too and And

1551
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:34,479
keishawan is just so much. Bigger, Yeah Trey. Keishawan and

1552
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,520
then at the, THREE i could Just. Debonsa It's debonsa

1553
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:40,640
and then it then we have the whole conundrum who's

1554
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:43,439
the four because Both sar And davis wants to be

1555
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:44,720
four men instead of.

1556
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 1: Centers BUT i got to SEE i haven't seen really.

1557
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:50,640
Speaker 2: Was part of like the pre draft process as, well

1558
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:51,880
like he wanted to play the.

1559
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 1: FOUR i don't know what it is with These tell,

1560
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,159
them you know, what don't tell The Tell Anthony davis

1561
01:19:56,199 --> 01:19:57,840
that he's The forum and playing next To starr and

1562
01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:59,960
Tell sar that he's The forum playing, right and just

1563
01:20:00,039 --> 01:20:01,279
they the, difference just.

1564
01:20:02,119 --> 01:20:02,279
Speaker 2: Right.

1565
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 1: Yeah SO i think that is.

1566
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 2: My my preferred closing, lineup which is wild because then

1567
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,000
you actually have a pretty good, bench like you have

1568
01:20:11,119 --> 01:20:13,960
a bench Of bill and Like Trey.

1569
01:20:14,079 --> 01:20:15,319
Speaker 1: Johnson that's not.

1570
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:20,319
Speaker 2: Bad DeAndre aiden can Whit moore justin, Him edny can Wit. More, yeah,

1571
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,640
YEAH i MEAN i don't necessarily hate this. TEAM i

1572
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:25,319
just try to figure out what the hell they.

1573
01:20:25,319 --> 01:20:29,359
Speaker 1: ARE i can already feel. It i'm probably smashing there.

1574
01:20:29,359 --> 01:20:31,119
Over this is going to come back to MY i

1575
01:20:31,159 --> 01:20:34,159
can already feel it in my. Bones all. Right SO

1576
01:20:34,199 --> 01:20:36,039
i have a couple of. Things let me pick one

1577
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:41,239
to do before we get into just The Jaylen brown. Stuff,

1578
01:20:41,319 --> 01:20:46,199
okay let's do this ONE moret is A Denver nuggets

1579
01:20:46,239 --> 01:20:50,399
salary dump. Coming we saw the report from the steinline

1580
01:20:50,399 --> 01:20:53,880
that they're not necessarily they're they're willing to Match Peyton

1581
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:57,199
watson if he gets an offer sheet without making a

1582
01:20:57,239 --> 01:20:59,720
salary dump of any. Kind paint me every shade of

1583
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:03,720
skep on. That as of right, NOW i think they

1584
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:07,920
have about two million dollars in room beneath the second,

1585
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:10,760
apron and that's assuming they just wave you want To,

1586
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:13,159
salentunis SO i don't even have his full salary pencils in.

1587
01:21:13,199 --> 01:21:17,000
There this team is up against the repeater TAX i

1588
01:21:17,119 --> 01:21:20,840
Don't i'm gonna be pretty. Shocked that's the Word i've

1589
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:24,199
used a lot during this particular. Episode there's no way

1590
01:21:24,199 --> 01:21:26,359
they're going into the second apron, Right they just got

1591
01:21:26,359 --> 01:21:28,960
bounced in the first. Round if they wouldn't do it,

1592
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:30,199
previously why are you doing it?

1593
01:21:30,239 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 2: Now they Won't and it's a shame BECAUSE i think about.

1594
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:38,079
This you have Prime Nikola jokic one of the best, players.

1595
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:42,520
Speaker 1: Do You that's my other? Question but carry, On, no,

1596
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:43,880
well that is far more.

1597
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,680
Speaker 2: INTERESTING i don't want to talk about the goddamn salary

1598
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:48,119
cap if you have a bigger question About.

1599
01:21:48,159 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 1: Jokic do you Believe Nikola jokic's extension stance where the

1600
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:53,880
latest is that he wants he prefers to just wait

1601
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:56,439
and sign a five Year oh, no, no, NO i don't believe.

1602
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:58,159
Speaker 2: That all, Right, no, no No's BUT i was just,

1603
01:21:58,159 --> 01:22:01,039
saying he's like in this prime and that's why they

1604
01:22:01,039 --> 01:22:01,600
should go all.

1605
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 1: In you said the question is for how much? Longer

1606
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:08,119
how much longer did they? Have that's a fair.

1607
01:22:08,199 --> 01:22:11,600
Speaker 2: Question, no BECAUSE i think HE'S i think he's looking

1608
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:14,720
at this and GOING i have questions.

1609
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:18,119
Speaker 1: He should and by the, WAY i, THOUGHT i actually

1610
01:22:18,159 --> 01:22:21,079
hope he's lying with his. Explanation he's so. SMART i

1611
01:22:21,119 --> 01:22:22,920
have to believe he, is because you know, what if

1612
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:26,880
you were so concerned about actually maximizing your, payday you

1613
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,920
probably would have extended last year and then extended again

1614
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,239
in three years when you were eligible to do, it

1615
01:22:32,319 --> 01:22:35,039
rather than waiting for, like SO i can get the

1616
01:22:35,079 --> 01:22:36,880
extra year of guaranteed money locked in. Now So i'm

1617
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,760
hoping that this is his. WAY i applauded it WHEN

1618
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:43,199
i saw the report that he was gonna wait on the. Extension, initially,

1619
01:22:44,039 --> 01:22:47,079
good put some. Press they've you've been the one of

1620
01:22:47,079 --> 01:22:49,800
the lowest maintenance superstars in the, league like right up

1621
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,720
there With, steph and it's time to, like let's apply

1622
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:56,000
some pressure to this front. Office i'm not buying the

1623
01:22:56,079 --> 01:22:58,439
explanation that we're seeing from him. Now financially you can

1624
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:00,399
game it out to, where, yeah locking in the extra

1625
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:03,439
year in theory for him could make. Sense i'm just

1626
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:05,560
not buying it because if you were that concerned about,

1627
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,199
it you would have extended already and then you would

1628
01:23:08,199 --> 01:23:09,680
have extended again in three. Years.

1629
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:14,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, no you're you're. Right so the question is where

1630
01:23:15,119 --> 01:23:18,640
where does his eyes? Linger because his best friend just

1631
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:21,159
had a lot of help In Los angeles and they've

1632
01:23:21,159 --> 01:23:23,960
been locked, up, LIKE i don't know if there are

1633
01:23:24,159 --> 01:23:31,720
any streight chips there that makes sense in terms of they.

1634
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:34,079
Speaker 1: Have they have zero chance of getting him, now no

1635
01:23:34,199 --> 01:23:35,960
cap space next, summer no draft picks to.

1636
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,760
Speaker 2: Trade that's kind of What i'm that's that was exactly

1637
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,199
WHAT i was, Saying, Dan, yeah, Yeah.

1638
01:23:41,119 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: Boston.

1639
01:23:45,239 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 2: Why why why why Would boston Want?

1640
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:50,159
Speaker 1: Nicola?

1641
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 2: No, no, No why why would any team Want Nicola? Jokic

1642
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:56,479
i'm asking why would the co Want boston.

1643
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:58,680
Speaker 1: To play With Jason tatum And Derek?

1644
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 2: White you think that's like the needle, mover you think

1645
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:04,840
those guys are Like i'm, Question i'm Not i'm not

1646
01:24:05,119 --> 01:24:08,880
like trying to be. Sassy i'm genuinely asking you think

1647
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,640
you think that that is like enough For jokic or

1648
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:15,000
you want does he realize that next year he's gonna

1649
01:24:15,039 --> 01:24:15,880
be like thirty?

1650
01:24:16,119 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 1: Two right for well, ONE i think he wants to

1651
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:21,359
stay In. DENVER i think that much is. Clear i'm

1652
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:24,359
rooting for. It But, BOSTON i, Mean boston With tatum

1653
01:24:24,399 --> 01:24:27,359
And Derek white and, OKAY. Nikolea jokic is costing you

1654
01:24:27,359 --> 01:24:29,720
your pick OUT. Lt but it's an organization that's shown

1655
01:24:30,199 --> 01:24:32,960
they can mind value on the. Margins look at where

1656
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:35,279
they drafted YOU O, gonzales who is the deal breaker

1657
01:24:35,279 --> 01:24:38,079
In giannis. Talks as ridiculous as that might, Sound Jordan,

1658
01:24:38,119 --> 01:24:41,000
walsh The kada extension like that was a good like

1659
01:24:41,159 --> 01:24:43,000
they Found caden where they got kid in the door

1660
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,039
in the first, place and then that EXTENSION i think

1661
01:24:45,079 --> 01:24:47,439
ends up aging fairly, well it's under the mid level.

1662
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:51,520
Exception that would be, like are, you As Nikola, jokic

1663
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:53,880
if you're looking at this, objectively are you more intrigued

1664
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,239
right now as you AND i are talking By boston's

1665
01:24:57,159 --> 01:24:59,880
trajectory if you're on, it Or denver's trajectory if you're

1666
01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:00,239
on on the.

1667
01:25:00,239 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 2: TEAM i, mean, look it's a good question Because i'm

1668
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:09,319
not exactly loving Where boston is going considered ever since

1669
01:25:09,319 --> 01:25:13,640
winning the. Title SO i think that is also like

1670
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:15,960
what AM i baking in? Here AM i baking in?

1671
01:25:16,239 --> 01:25:20,079
That jokitchen his team just has like this analytical view

1672
01:25:20,119 --> 01:25:22,159
of where the team is going or do you think

1673
01:25:22,159 --> 01:25:24,880
they're looking at things from a straight on? Perspective because

1674
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:28,319
that's that's also, Important like players don't necessarily gauge situations

1675
01:25:28,359 --> 01:25:29,239
the same way you AND i.

1676
01:25:29,279 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: Do well do you? Have that wasn't even my favorite.

1677
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:35,079
TEST i was just going through the list of, team

1678
01:25:35,119 --> 01:25:38,239
but what is the team YOU'RE i was more so

1679
01:25:38,359 --> 01:25:40,359
throwing this, out do YOU i wasn't gonna get into

1680
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:42,479
is he gonna? LEAVE i was more so thinking do

1681
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:44,600
you buy his extension, stance WHICH i think that both

1682
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:46,600
of us. Do not that he is no send a

1683
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:47,399
message to the front.

1684
01:25:47,279 --> 01:25:50,159
Speaker 2: Office, absolutely and he's usually not the one to do

1685
01:25:50,199 --> 01:25:52,279
that in the same way like he he'll do, that

1686
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:54,920
like like he said multiple, times he will go to

1687
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,760
ownership or at least leadership and just let them. Know

1688
01:25:58,359 --> 01:26:02,720
this feels like something. Else this seems like he's a

1689
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:04,760
little bit fed up with the situation or not not

1690
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:06,920
in terms of that he wants, out but it seems,

1691
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:09,520
like you, know you have to be. Serious but in

1692
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:11,920
terms of like the, TEAM i don't think he's eyeing

1693
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:15,359
any teams at this stage, yet Right LIKE.

1694
01:26:15,359 --> 01:26:18,039
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think he. WOULD i think he's so committed

1695
01:26:18,039 --> 01:26:20,640
To denver THAT i would guess he hasn't even. THOUGHT

1696
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,600
i was more, so what are the teams that would make?

1697
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:25,760
Sense is Than nikolio like coming in and also as

1698
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:28,800
The nuggets If. Nicole let's say nicoliok isn't going to

1699
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:31,840
sign an, extension because he can sign at any point this.

1700
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:33,359
Year but let's say he's already ruled it. Out he's,

1701
01:26:33,359 --> 01:26:35,399
Saying i'm not signing. It you have to at least

1702
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:38,239
think about trading, him, Right you can't afford to lose

1703
01:26:38,279 --> 01:26:38,520
him for.

1704
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 2: Nothing, yeah that's WHY i brought up The, lakers because

1705
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:46,159
AGAIN i assume that if he at any point once,

1706
01:26:46,199 --> 01:26:49,239
out he's going to tell The NUGGETS i want to

1707
01:26:49,279 --> 01:26:53,640
play With LUCA. I that just seems to me to

1708
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:58,159
be a thing, like, obviously, okay what what You're.

1709
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:00,319
Speaker 1: You're how are they get are you? True so It's,

1710
01:27:00,359 --> 01:27:01,520
Walker Kesler reeves and no.

1711
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:06,119
Speaker 2: Pictures, Again i'm talking from the side Of. Jokic, again

1712
01:27:06,159 --> 01:27:08,960
a player doesn't have to go in and make all

1713
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:12,560
these calculations and make all these analysis that you AND

1714
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,039
i have to. Make BUT i wouldn't be surprised if

1715
01:27:15,039 --> 01:27:17,760
that's what he gets, into that he goes to ownership

1716
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:20,279
or leadership and just SAYS i want to play With

1717
01:27:20,359 --> 01:27:24,479
duka and then the onus is on, them like do

1718
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:27,319
they trade him to The lakers or? Whatever poopoo platter

1719
01:27:27,399 --> 01:27:29,760
they can get compared to what it's, worth or are

1720
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:31,520
they going to try to sell the farm even though

1721
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:33,319
they don't have it to Get luca And? Denver, LIKE

1722
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:36,359
i just think that is ultimately what he's gonna want to.

1723
01:27:36,399 --> 01:27:41,359
Do it feels like those two are, somehow some way

1724
01:27:41,399 --> 01:27:42,520
trying to get.

1725
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:49,520
Speaker 1: There that would be SOMETHING i don't envy that team's

1726
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:52,640
resulting defense when they end up with those, two AND

1727
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:55,960
i DON'T i can't see it happening just based off

1728
01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:57,560
what happened with The. Lakers it would have to Be

1729
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:01,560
denver trades For luca and maybe does The laker season

1730
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:04,279
go so belly up That luca requests out after this?

1731
01:28:04,359 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 2: YEAR i guess maybe that's also a long shut right.

1732
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:09,199
About i'm just saying from the side Of jokich that

1733
01:28:09,319 --> 01:28:12,640
if he wants out, Eventually i'm pretty sure That luca

1734
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:14,119
is going to be a name that's gonna be brought.

1735
01:28:14,159 --> 01:28:15,279
Speaker 1: Up, LIKE i.

1736
01:28:15,239 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 2: Don't think The european ankle is something to be. Disregarded, SORRY.

1737
01:28:22,279 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 1: I think he could be disregarded in the sense OF

1738
01:28:24,119 --> 01:28:26,560
i just don't understand how it. Works is he taking? Less,

1739
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:29,920
no that's scare The lakers. Again i'm, saying from his,

1740
01:28:30,039 --> 01:28:38,079
perspective goddamn. It so who what? Happened like salary dumping with?

1741
01:28:38,119 --> 01:28:41,000
Them what's gonna happen? Here i'm assuming they're gonna Bring

1742
01:28:41,039 --> 01:28:43,520
Peyton watson, back. Right they're open to sign and trades

1743
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:46,760
apparently if they lose. HIM i don't know what message

1744
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:51,840
that's necessarily sending To. Yokic i've floated Because, MEMPHIS i

1745
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:54,000
don't know if there's Enough memphis has The Jaron jackson

1746
01:28:54,039 --> 01:28:58,560
junior traded player, Exception Does Christian Brown Cam johnson and

1747
01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:04,800
a swap FOR kcp get that deal? Done you're getting

1748
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:06,479
off and then you can resign of?

1749
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 2: It, yeah, yeah, yeah because again you have to look

1750
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:15,000
at it also as you were Getting Peyton watson, back,

1751
01:29:15,279 --> 01:29:16,720
Right like that's an.

1752
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:19,399
Speaker 1: Addition it's a bad it's a bad deal for The.

1753
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:21,640
Nuggets LIKE i Just i'm not a fan Of Christian

1754
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:25,119
brown's contract. ANYMORE i was looking his two point percentage

1755
01:29:25,199 --> 01:29:28,119
dropped by thirty three points When jokic was off the

1756
01:29:28,119 --> 01:29:28,640
floor last.

1757
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:34,319
Speaker 2: Year that is, insane, Right and and look you're you're

1758
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:36,439
you have to like make some sacrifices.

1759
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:37,000
Speaker 1: Here it's a.

1760
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:40,079
Speaker 2: SHAME i actually loved what they did last, year just

1761
01:29:40,199 --> 01:29:43,119
with the Whole Camp johnson, situation but he just didn't

1762
01:29:43,159 --> 01:29:46,000
materialize in the way that they thought he. WOULD i

1763
01:29:46,319 --> 01:29:47,760
think you AND i even had them as one of

1764
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,680
the biggest winners last year in the, offseason and AND

1765
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:51,359
i actually had.

1766
01:29:51,279 --> 01:29:53,399
Speaker 1: Them as a. LOSER i wasn't a fan of the

1767
01:29:53,399 --> 01:29:56,399
The johnson Deal, johnson actually REALLY i. DIDN'T i didn't

1768
01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:58,680
like the. VALUE i came at it from the perspective

1769
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:00,800
of you Have Nicole yokich in your and you used

1770
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:03,159
your best trade. Ship Then i'm misremembering then then it

1771
01:30:03,239 --> 01:30:05,159
might have Been brian AND i who did? That my?

1772
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:08,680
Mistake all, RIGHT i know that's.

1773
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:10,560
Speaker 2: Bye by the, way that's horrible THAT i got you

1774
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:12,479
confused With brian sapporik that that's just.

1775
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 1: There are worst people you Can he's super. Tall So

1776
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:17,880
i'll take. IT i don't and by that, DEAL i

1777
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:19,279
don't even know WHERE i land on it. TODAY i

1778
01:30:19,319 --> 01:30:21,920
still think that was a misuse of an. Asset but

1779
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:24,039
LIKE i Think Cam johnson is was fod like and

1780
01:30:24,079 --> 01:30:26,520
he was their most reliable player by the end of

1781
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:29,840
the playhoffs last. Year SO i just Don't i'm looking

1782
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:31,960
at it if, you especially for a team that doesn't

1783
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:34,000
have a ton of shooting as it, is if you

1784
01:30:34,079 --> 01:30:36,600
need to Dump Cam johnson because you don't want to

1785
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:38,199
go into the second apron or is this a team

1786
01:30:38,239 --> 01:30:41,479
THAT'S i don't know how they do, it but, like

1787
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:44,520
are they just gonna be because they're a? Repeater are

1788
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:48,520
they gonna be looking at duck the tax? ENTIRELY i don't.

1789
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:50,399
KNOW i don't know how they get, there because what

1790
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:53,760
are they into the? Taxes right? Now they're fifteen.

1791
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:58,600
Speaker 2: Almost eleven million. Over oh that's Before Marvin backley And Tyas.

1792
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,800
JONES i think you're a fifth team if you wave that. Way,

1793
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:03,800
Yeah SO.

1794
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:06,079
Speaker 1: I mean that would be do you just Dump Cam

1795
01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:09,680
johnson then you Trade Peyton watson and let it? Roll

1796
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:14,039
that would be If I'm, jokis that's Alarm Bell. City

1797
01:31:14,079 --> 01:31:16,359
So I'M i guess my question is how does AND

1798
01:31:16,399 --> 01:31:18,520
i don't know the. Answer that's what this whole exercise is.

1799
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:22,680
FOR i don't know how this whole rigamarole. Ends is

1800
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:26,479
it they trade one player Resigned Peyton? Watson is if

1801
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:30,479
they just Let Peyton watson? Walk is it they trade

1802
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:33,199
two players bring Back Peyton? Watson are they just getting

1803
01:31:33,239 --> 01:31:34,960
rid of two? Players to duckt the. TAX i think

1804
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:39,159
there are a lot of different scenarios in play, here

1805
01:31:39,319 --> 01:31:41,000
and most of them make me feel.

1806
01:31:41,079 --> 01:31:45,680
Speaker 2: Uncomfortable, yeah, no, Absolutely AND i think that is fair

1807
01:31:46,119 --> 01:31:49,199
when you're Paying Jamal murray And Nicola jokic this amount

1808
01:31:49,199 --> 01:31:51,479
of money And Aaron gordon and The ferdy plus million.

1809
01:31:52,199 --> 01:31:55,079
Speaker 1: Area he would be another name where it's where they.

1810
01:31:55,319 --> 01:31:58,000
Like we've Seen murray And Aaron gordon kind of in trade.

1811
01:31:58,039 --> 01:32:01,319
RUMORS i don't think you could deal either one of

1812
01:32:01,359 --> 01:32:03,640
those guys and get. Better IF i had to pick

1813
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:05,680
who's more likely to, GO i feel as if it

1814
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:08,840
would Be Aaron. GORDON i just think breaking up The

1815
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:13,199
Jokic murray, synergy, right is like a cardinal.

1816
01:32:13,279 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 2: SIN i NOT i, agree BUT i mean you could

1817
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:20,399
also Add gordon to. THAT i don't even think it's

1818
01:32:20,399 --> 01:32:23,359
Just Jokic. MURRAY i think It's Jokic Murray. Gordon, OH i.

1819
01:32:23,359 --> 01:32:26,319
Speaker 1: Think It's i'm in agreement with. YOU i think if

1820
01:32:26,359 --> 01:32:29,680
they moved, one, though it'd be more likely to Be. Gordon, yeah, same,

1821
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:32,079
same just also because he's easy you to. Move, frankly,

1822
01:32:32,119 --> 01:32:34,319
like it's easy to move thirty one million than. Fifty

1823
01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:37,920
so let's break this down step by. Step will The

1824
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:39,680
nuggets be a Second apron team next?

1825
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:39,880
Speaker 2: Year?

1826
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 1: Yes or? No? No? No will will The nuggets be

1827
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:47,439
a luxury tax team next? Year? Yes? YEAH i think. So,

1828
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:51,119
YEAH i honestly don't. KNOW i got, BAD i got bad.

1829
01:32:51,199 --> 01:32:53,560
Vibes MAYBE i should be, HAPPY i should feel more

1830
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:56,680
confident because they haven't done anything nuclear to this. POINT

1831
01:32:56,960 --> 01:33:00,119
i don't feel great about. That Is Peyton watson on

1832
01:33:00,119 --> 01:33:07,720
The Denver nuggets next? Year? Inconclusive here's a better. One

1833
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:10,680
are Both Peyton watson And Cam johnson on The nuggets Next?

1834
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:13,239
NO i don't think. So. NO i THINK i think

1835
01:33:13,279 --> 01:33:17,359
that's probably the right, answer which is just. Awful, yeah

1836
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:20,920
you sir have not Given we had other, questions but

1837
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:24,439
we'll cover other teams later this. Week, you, sir have

1838
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:27,279
not talked about on a podcast yet The Jallen brown, trade? Right?

1839
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:33,239
Uh not In? English? No. ALRIGHT i was actually hoping

1840
01:33:33,239 --> 01:33:35,199
to bring you on for The danis. Version so never mind,

1841
01:33:35,239 --> 01:33:38,000
Then but we do Have Brad. STEVENS i don't know

1842
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:40,479
if you saw his comments on. It gave an explanation

1843
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:42,760
behind The Jallen brown. Trade did the whole we lost

1844
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:46,800
sleep and he Essentially we've talked about this, before you AND,

1845
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:49,720
i me And, GRANT i think just others about how

1846
01:33:50,079 --> 01:33:52,800
for all this talk of the three max model being,

1847
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:56,000
dead we might be approaching a point where the two

1848
01:33:56,119 --> 01:34:00,800
veteran max model is too heavy To bay. Teams you

1849
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:03,279
it is too heavy to. Bear Brad stevens kind of

1850
01:34:03,359 --> 01:34:06,600
essentially confirmed that even though you didn't save a ton

1851
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,359
of money With Paul, george you did increase your optionality

1852
01:34:09,399 --> 01:34:12,399
by getting draft. Picks and his deal is done one year.

1853
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:17,840
Sooner knowing What Brad stevens, said knowing the talk Around Jaalen,

1854
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:21,920
brown the on off splits all, that where have you

1855
01:34:22,039 --> 01:34:23,000
landed on, This?

1856
01:34:23,079 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 2: Tren i'm very curious to know what you. Think SO

1857
01:34:26,079 --> 01:34:29,680
i wasn't as low on What boston got in return

1858
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:34,479
as everyone, else even though obviously Like brown was the

1859
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:37,960
best piece going, out Like philly got. Him that's a

1860
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:40,800
win right. There BUT i do Think Paul george just

1861
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:45,159
fits into the makeup of The celtics right now Under Joe.

1862
01:34:45,199 --> 01:34:49,319
Massula the major question for me is. Health, like If

1863
01:34:49,359 --> 01:34:52,319
Paul george is only going to play forty to fifty,

1864
01:34:52,359 --> 01:34:57,640
games that's probably an. Issue but when you think about

1865
01:34:57,720 --> 01:35:00,520
his playing, style and if you think of like the

1866
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:04,359
perimeter oriented three point volume that they are sporting In,

1867
01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:10,079
Boston Paul george fits right in like six,' ten takes

1868
01:35:10,119 --> 01:35:12,279
a shit ton, of threes makes them at a, decent

1869
01:35:12,319 --> 01:35:16,319
clip like if he gets even, More up he's the

1870
01:35:16,359 --> 01:35:18,600
type of guy who can actually maintain that level, of

1871
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:22,119
efficiency which is. PRETTY insane i think he's severely underrated

1872
01:35:22,159 --> 01:35:25,000
historically as, a shooter like we all took just, too

1873
01:35:25,039 --> 01:35:28,039
many we all made TOO many pg jokes or, you

1874
01:35:28,079 --> 01:35:32,720
know playoff, p jokes like there's something there in terms

1875
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:35,520
of the. Shooting department is he Still The paul george?

1876
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:35,840
Speaker 1: Of old.

1877
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 2: Absolutely not that's also why you have to just realize

1878
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:42,600
that in terms of like the raw volume, or sorry

1879
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:47,000
the raw return in terms of, trade Value the celtics

1880
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:50,239
didn't get a better package in return than what they.

1881
01:35:50,239 --> 01:35:53,960
Gave UP but i do think. We sold we were

1882
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:58,720
a little too Harsh On paul george and his Fit,

1883
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:01,359
in boston to, be honest.

1884
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:05,640
Speaker 1: That is. PROBABLY fair I just I guess i didn't

1885
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:07,359
see a lot of people coming at It From paul

1886
01:36:07,399 --> 01:36:10,520
george is trash and a terrible Fit. In boston it

1887
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:13,479
was just the value proposition Of Trading jalen brown on

1888
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:16,760
off splits and all was why did you make this?

1889
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:18,760
Move now would you have been better off just letting

1890
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:20,960
this ride out until the end of his contract or

1891
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:23,720
the final year of? His contract that would lead me

1892
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:25,880
TO believe i do give. THIS out i. Said this

1893
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:29,079
people did not react well to our reaction TO the

1894
01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:31,319
i didn't realize How many, celtics fans by, the way

1895
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:34,520
just Think That jalen brown is eminently detrimental to. THE

1896
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:36,880
team i honestly had. No idea that was just like

1897
01:36:37,199 --> 01:36:40,840
a thing floating. Around. There wow but my point WAS

1898
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:43,439
is i would rather if we were talking about title

1899
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:46,399
equity and it was over the next two to, three

1900
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:49,279
years would you rather have What the celtics, Just Did

1901
01:36:49,319 --> 01:36:53,239
paul george end those Picks Or. JALEN brown i would

1902
01:36:53,319 --> 01:36:56,720
Rather Have. Jalen. Brown yeah same if the goal is the. Title,

1903
01:36:56,760 --> 01:37:00,439
immediately yes it's a different discussion if you. View it

1904
01:37:01,079 --> 01:37:03,520
the dynamic was so untenable behind the scenes because he

1905
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:07,159
was dangled in trade Talks for gannest and because he wanted,

1906
01:37:07,159 --> 01:37:10,960
an extension which the. Extension stuff i'm all for players,

1907
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:13,760
getting PAID and i think it kind of, it sucks

1908
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:16,039
but this was also, collectively bargained so it's on them.

1909
01:37:16,039 --> 01:37:17,840
As well the fact that we're getting into a, point,

1910
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:20,399
Where's Oh donda mitchell just signed an extension that is

1911
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:22,119
gonna be one of the worst deals in, the league

1912
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:24,760
if not, right now like because it's five years in

1913
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:28,359
three hundred and twenty three. Million total he's but now

1914
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:31,439
the way that we're talking about these players and it's

1915
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:32,920
like they get to a certain number and, it's, just

1916
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:36,279
oh they're not. WORTH it i understand it from both sides, to,

1917
01:37:36,319 --> 01:37:39,319
where yeah you can't really build a team having two

1918
01:37:39,319 --> 01:37:41,279
guys worth more than thirty five percent of the cap

1919
01:37:41,319 --> 01:37:44,000
when one of them is not a top. TEN player

1920
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:47,760
I just i still would have either weighted with the

1921
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:51,640
hope that a better market materializes by next summer or

1922
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:54,600
just to increase my. Title, odds again unless this was

1923
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:56,640
my POINT that i trailed. Off on things were so

1924
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:59,199
intenable behind the scenes because he wanted an extension and

1925
01:37:59,239 --> 01:38:01,960
for some reason that you have three guaranteed years left on,

1926
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:04,199
your contract why is it you don't need an extension

1927
01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:06,640
as soon as your, extension eligible which IS where i

1928
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:08,920
would push back If the, celtics need like felt as

1929
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:12,439
if they needed to. Trade him that's Still where i'm

1930
01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:14,079
sort of at on. The TRADE it's i Think the

1931
01:38:14,079 --> 01:38:16,640
celtics are still going to be. REALLY good I just

1932
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:19,000
i'm wondering if they've leaned too far as of right

1933
01:38:19,039 --> 01:38:21,760
Now into, missoula BALL because i Think Having jalen brown

1934
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:23,560
and again the on off splits are not always going

1935
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:26,920
to support this having Someone Like jalen brown the stuff

1936
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:29,560
he can do on, the ball and deviate, From That

1937
01:38:30,359 --> 01:38:32,479
jason tatum can do much of. THE same I Think

1938
01:38:32,520 --> 01:38:34,640
jalen brown's on ball rim pressure is just going to

1939
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:37,600
be better at. THIS point i think that's THE where.

1940
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:40,680
I land i think that has more value Than What

1941
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:43,319
paul george is just better off as a compliment. Right

1942
01:38:43,359 --> 01:38:46,800
now and the other THING that i think might be

1943
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:50,239
being missed he closed the season really strong last year

1944
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:54,760
after getting a twenty five game for, Sabbatical suspension and

1945
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:58,479
so what happens if he finally does play in, more

1946
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:01,720
games which by, the way he historically. Hasn't done the

1947
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:04,680
last time he played in seventy games or shortened season

1948
01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:07,680
equivalent was. Twenty eighteen that's a long, time ago and

1949
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:09,960
he's played in eighty six games combined over the past,

1950
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:14,119
two SEASONS so I think i probably understand it a

1951
01:39:14,159 --> 01:39:16,039
little bit more when you start to think about the

1952
01:39:16,119 --> 01:39:19,560
cap dynamics of. It All but i'm Looking At paul

1953
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:23,319
george's number anyway, and wondering still wondering whether this needed

1954
01:39:23,359 --> 01:39:25,199
to be, done now and the fact that they felt

1955
01:39:25,199 --> 01:39:27,520
it did still leads me to believe that we just

1956
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:29,479
haven't even heard close to the full story of what

1957
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:32,640
was happening. Behind, this yeah we were Waiting For ramona

1958
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:35,000
shelbourn on, that ONE and i don't, even know, but

1959
01:39:35,119 --> 01:39:37,880
Yeah the athletic published like a good look behind, the

1960
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:40,199
curtain and IT just i came away from, it saying,

1961
01:39:40,279 --> 01:39:42,279
all right there was clearly, tension THERE but i don't

1962
01:39:42,279 --> 01:39:44,079
know If like i'm not seeing anything that should. Have

1963
01:39:44,119 --> 01:39:46,359
been we need to get Rid Of jalen, Brown now

1964
01:39:46,399 --> 01:39:49,199
and by, THE way i think what's also risky Here Is.

1965
01:39:49,399 --> 01:39:52,000
Jason tatum if you're picking between the, two players it's not.

1966
01:39:52,039 --> 01:39:54,479
A contest i think there's also A subset i didn't

1967
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:58,439
know this either of fans That Believe jalen brown is

1968
01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:03,000
Better than jason. Taate Them jason tadmen finished last year

1969
01:40:03,079 --> 01:40:05,760
injured after coming Off, the achilles and so it's a

1970
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:08,439
risk to trade what's been one of the most durable

1971
01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:11,800
guys in, the league especially who's been able to handle

1972
01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:15,319
a pretty heavy. Defensive workload that's Also Like paul, george

1973
01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:19,439
durability that type of defensive workload isn't his. Bag ANYMORE

1974
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:22,119
so i Was Looking jalen brown are the last. Half

1975
01:40:22,199 --> 01:40:25,359
decade four times in the last half decade has played

1976
01:40:25,359 --> 01:40:28,159
over fifteen hundred minutes while ranking in the seventy fifth

1977
01:40:28,159 --> 01:40:31,720
percentile or better of self created shot making efficiency and.

1978
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:34,439
Defensive workload the only other players who have done the

1979
01:40:34,439 --> 01:40:37,760
same while playing one thousand minutes or more four times

1980
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:42,159
in the past half Decade Was michale Bridges dearon FOX

1981
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:44,039
and i can't even remember who the other. NAME was

1982
01:40:44,079 --> 01:40:46,439
i already, forgot it but it was like a it

1983
01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:48,840
wasn't Og WHY i'm i already forgetting what the, name

1984
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:53,760
was but he had value, to them even despite what

1985
01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:56,239
the on off splits. Are Saying and i'm just curious

1986
01:40:56,239 --> 01:40:58,199
as to how they maybe some of the younger guys

1987
01:40:58,239 --> 01:41:00,920
are able to Paper. Over it did not come Away

1988
01:41:01,439 --> 01:41:05,039
From brad stevens's, press, conference though thinking that another move

1989
01:41:05,159 --> 01:41:06,600
was around. THE corner i think a lot of people

1990
01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:09,199
have been waiting for something to happen, this OFFSEASON and

1991
01:41:09,399 --> 01:41:10,000
i don't KNOW that i.

1992
01:41:10,039 --> 01:41:12,159
Speaker 2: SEE it i agree with that that was thought THE

1993
01:41:12,159 --> 01:41:14,760
impression i got either from reading what, he said, no.

1994
01:41:16,279 --> 01:41:19,640
Speaker 1: Finally just Thoughts On donovan mitchell got the. FULL boat

1995
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:22,159
i was wondering if he was gonna take less than

1996
01:41:22,159 --> 01:41:24,880
the than the especially because did you see the report

1997
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:27,920
That the celtics were trying to Negotiate With giannis they

1998
01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:29,720
didn't want to give him the full thirty five percent

1999
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:32,199
max and, an extension and that's why the. DEAL felt

2000
01:41:32,199 --> 01:41:33,920
i don't know if, that's true but that was. The

2001
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:37,239
report so you see things, like that and we're having

2002
01:41:37,319 --> 01:41:41,039
all these circular conversations about the importance of balancing out.

2003
01:41:41,079 --> 01:41:43,479
Your books can't have too many. Expensive Stars so i'm

2004
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:46,239
just waiting for who's the guy who's the bigger name

2005
01:41:46,239 --> 01:41:49,159
that's gonna, Get squeezed and they Just dearon Fox No,

2006
01:41:49,239 --> 01:41:53,000
Brainer Max Jaron, Jackson Junior No, brainer max renegotiate And

2007
01:41:53,079 --> 01:41:58,600
Extend donovan mitchell No, brainer max which his. TOTAL commitment

2008
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:00,720
i threw out three hundred and twenty five million. DOLLARS

2009
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:03,079
before i don't even know if. That's right his total

2010
01:42:03,079 --> 01:42:07,359
commitment now is five years and three hundred and twenty

2011
01:42:07,399 --> 01:42:09,880
three point six. Million, dollars yeah remaining on his.

2012
01:42:09,960 --> 01:42:13,680
Speaker 2: Deal almost three Hundred mili oh, more yeah more and. More.

2013
01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:13,840
Speaker 1: More.

2014
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah the extension is for for two seventy, seven

2015
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:20,199
plus but including, this year he's now up to five

2016
01:42:20,239 --> 01:42:24,159
and three twenty three plus a lot. Of. Money yes

2017
01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:27,920
so my thoughts on, that are we need to talk

2018
01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:30,279
about cap percentages and we need to make sure that

2019
01:42:30,399 --> 01:42:34,399
people are aligned on just what A new nba contract

2020
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:36,560
is because he's going to have a player option of,

2021
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:41,600
forty no seventy, five million and that, seems preposterous but

2022
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:44,159
that is where the cap. Is now like we are

2023
01:42:44,319 --> 01:42:49,520
APPROACHING an nba, where players the superstars are getting approximately

2024
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:55,319
one hundred million dollars, a year and we still have fans, who,

2025
01:42:55,399 --> 01:42:58,399
say oh fifteen million a year for a starting small

2026
01:42:58,439 --> 01:43:04,680
forward is. Too, expensive. Nope nope so we need to

2027
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:09,119
like re educate people on the salary cap and and

2028
01:43:09,399 --> 01:43:13,079
basically what contracts are nowadays because PEOPLE are i saw

2029
01:43:13,119 --> 01:43:15,960
the reactions to, this, WAS well, nba contracts it's gotten out.

2030
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:20,479
Of hand they haven't they. Haven't changed it's it's the.

2031
01:43:20,520 --> 01:43:24,159
Same percentage it's it's just that the cap increased and

2032
01:43:24,239 --> 01:43:28,119
so the volume of, The, contract yeah.

2033
01:43:27,439 --> 01:43:30,760
Speaker 1: It is and it isn't the same percentage because of

2034
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:33,159
like the way that the if you're looking at how the,

2035
01:43:33,199 --> 01:43:36,880
contracts Are Like, donovan mitchell's like the average percentage of

2036
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:39,760
the cap based, off projection he's gonna be worth thirty

2037
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:42,800
five point one four percent over the next five years

2038
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:45,640
and that's including this year when he's not on the

2039
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:50,079
thirty five. Percent max so there is there is something

2040
01:43:50,199 --> 01:43:53,319
to that where the, cap growth like the raises on

2041
01:43:53,359 --> 01:43:56,720
these contracts are now outpacing the salary, cap, Growth right

2042
01:43:56,760 --> 01:43:59,159
and so this Deal for mitchell, IS actually, i know

2043
01:43:59,199 --> 01:44:01,000
it's only a couple centers point where we're talking about

2044
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:03,640
millions of dollars a year at. That point so it's

2045
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:05,000
like his salary is gonna.

2046
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:05,319
Speaker 2: End up.

2047
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:10,640
Speaker 1: On his player, option, year yeah which is like that's

2048
01:44:10,640 --> 01:44:12,720
a huge for someone going into his age thirty four

2049
01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:16,199
season who's a. Small guard he has the three point

2050
01:44:16,239 --> 01:44:19,520
shot making going. For him I'm just i've had this Conversation.

2051
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:22,560
With grant i'm not advocating, for it, although again this

2052
01:44:22,640 --> 01:44:26,399
is COLLECTIVELY bargained. I don't i don't. KNOW that i

2053
01:44:26,399 --> 01:44:28,520
think we're going to reach a point where these players

2054
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:30,359
are going to have to make the binary choice, of

2055
01:44:30,399 --> 01:44:33,279
WELL do i want to be on a contender deeper

2056
01:44:33,279 --> 01:44:35,920
into my career OR do i want these? Max DEALS

2057
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:38,479
because i think part of the issue with even if

2058
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:39,880
you say you can only give out one or two,

2059
01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:42,640
max deals the most expensive players also tend to be

2060
01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:45,520
the oldest when we're talking, about stars and so they're

2061
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:49,600
at a point where their production is like underpacing what they're.

2062
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:53,000
Speaker 2: Being paid BRIAN and i had that conversation for almost,

2063
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:56,479
ten years and it's such. A problem i still think

2064
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:59,640
the thirty five percent max should be after year seven

2065
01:44:59,680 --> 01:45:02,920
and up till to, year ten and then the year

2066
01:45:03,079 --> 01:45:07,039
ten max should be. THIRTY percent i just. Flip it.

2067
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:10,960
Speaker 1: THERE'S all. I mean there's also been the there's, the

2068
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:13,479
PITCH and I Think bobby marx has been one of

2069
01:45:13,479 --> 01:45:16,640
the biggest advocates of this is that you still give

2070
01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:19,199
out like the thirty five percent max can still be,

2071
01:45:19,239 --> 01:45:23,119
given out but it would only apply as thirty percent

2072
01:45:23,119 --> 01:45:25,439
of the. Salary cap and he likened it to do

2073
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:28,039
you know how, right now let's say if you sign

2074
01:45:28,079 --> 01:45:32,199
a veteran, minimum contract but you have ten plus years.

2075
01:45:32,199 --> 01:45:36,680
Of experience your minimum salary is what in twenty, twenty

2076
01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:39,159
six twenty, twenty seven that is three point, nine million

2077
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:41,720
but you're only going to count against the books for

2078
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:44,600
two point four to, five million and so it was

2079
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:47,119
A similar it was like an analog, for that but

2080
01:45:47,199 --> 01:45:50,399
you're just dealing with higher. DOLLAR amounts i DON'T think

2081
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:54,039
I think i, like that especially if you're couching it

2082
01:45:54,079 --> 01:45:57,000
with the player needed to have been drafted by the

2083
01:45:57,079 --> 01:46:00,199
team or traded on his. Rookie scale that want to

2084
01:46:00,199 --> 01:46:02,560
Apply To, donovan mitchell then it won't Apply to Giannis,

2085
01:46:02,600 --> 01:46:05,399
with miami and that's the it. Would have it might

2086
01:46:05,439 --> 01:46:08,159
have Kept the, celtics together though it would be an

2087
01:46:08,159 --> 01:46:11,439
instance where it. Would, apply yeah yeah. It might.

2088
01:46:13,479 --> 01:46:16,319
Speaker 2: So How old i'm just trying to Figure out, Mitchell

2089
01:46:16,399 --> 01:46:19,359
here like he's he's in his age, thirty season right

2090
01:46:19,479 --> 01:46:20,359
or is He, entering.

2091
01:46:20,239 --> 01:46:22,079
Speaker 1: Yeah this contract goes through his age thirty.

2092
01:46:22,079 --> 01:46:27,640
Speaker 4: Four, season Yeah, it's look he kind of signed the

2093
01:46:27,680 --> 01:46:30,479
guys to keep your, competitive window because it makes sense

2094
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:33,399
if you win, a chip, right like and you in

2095
01:46:33,479 --> 01:46:34,840
order to win, a chip you have to.

2096
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:37,520
Speaker 2: Have your best, guys, there like is that deal going

2097
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:41,680
to age probably horrendously? Later, on, yeah yeah when he

2098
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:44,279
picks up a seventy five million dollar player option at

2099
01:46:44,279 --> 01:46:47,000
the age of what, forty four that's going to. Be,

2100
01:46:47,039 --> 01:46:52,199
Problematic absolutely but you just you don't have. A. Choice

2101
01:46:54,319 --> 01:46:55,479
uh i'd.

2102
01:46:55,479 --> 01:46:58,039
Speaker 1: Be curious i'd be curious if there was any negotiation

2103
01:46:58,479 --> 01:47:01,680
or if they just came to him, with, this right this.

2104
01:47:01,680 --> 01:47:03,279
Speaker 2: Is this is going to be like how it Goes with.

2105
01:47:03,359 --> 01:47:07,600
Wemby too it's just gonna be like, Knock knock yeah. It's,

2106
01:47:07,720 --> 01:47:11,000
time oh, All right i'll. Sign, it, Okay cool it's gonna.

2107
01:47:11,039 --> 01:47:13,680
Speaker 1: Be that he's also so Much Like donovan mitchell is

2108
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:15,720
the perfect example because he's probably at the point in

2109
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:18,199
his career where now it becomes a discussion as to

2110
01:47:18,279 --> 01:47:21,039
when how much more can how much longer can he

2111
01:47:21,159 --> 01:47:26,039
provide live up to the value of. THAT contract i

2112
01:47:26,079 --> 01:47:29,039
think he's PROBABLY if i had, TO guess, i mean

2113
01:47:29,079 --> 01:47:31,640
he's been entrenched in THE all nba discussion every, single

2114
01:47:31,720 --> 01:47:35,000
year and so if he stays that course for the

2115
01:47:35,039 --> 01:47:36,920
next two to, three years then you're only looking, at,

2116
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:39,520
all right the final two years of this deal or?

2117
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:43,119
Speaker 2: What's, underwater yeah and that's. NOT bad, i mean that's

2118
01:47:43,159 --> 01:47:44,880
that's just how. It is that's the price of. Doing

2119
01:47:44,920 --> 01:47:50,359
business like there are OTHER contracts i would point to as. More,

2120
01:47:50,399 --> 01:47:56,079
worrisome yep that was THE guy i had. In, mind,

2121
01:47:56,239 --> 01:47:58,079
yes uh would you?

2122
01:47:58,199 --> 01:48:02,079
Speaker 1: Rather? Have so so their commitments. Are Different But devin

2123
01:48:02,119 --> 01:48:04,520
booker four years and two hundred and fifty point six

2124
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:07,920
Million Or donovan mitchell owed, five years three hundred and twenty,

2125
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:12,119
three million give me. That Again devin booker's Got four

2126
01:48:12,359 --> 01:48:14,760
i'll round, it down four years and two Fifty For,

2127
01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:17,840
devin booker five years and three twenty Three For. Donovan

2128
01:48:17,880 --> 01:48:18,760
mitchell who would you?

2129
01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:22,800
Speaker 2: RATHER have I Like, mitchell Moore so i'm Gonna.

2130
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:26,520
Speaker 1: GO mitchell i believe the right answer Is, probably MITCHELL

2131
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:29,159
BUT i i FEEL like i Might Pick. Devin booker,

2132
01:48:29,199 --> 01:48:31,000
i'm like just Such A devin booker stand that it's.

2133
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:36,159
Probably disgusting my value. Is playmaking would you take both

2134
01:48:36,199 --> 01:48:38,720
of those Guys Over diaron fox's four for two? Twenty,

2135
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:42,319
one yeah, all right there. You go that's that's good

2136
01:48:42,359 --> 01:48:42,840
damning with.

2137
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:46,520
Speaker 2: FAME praise, I mean I, like fox but like that

2138
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:51,279
deal was it was a forty. Percent max just it's

2139
01:48:51,399 --> 01:48:53,640
it's INTERESTING because I think i said this in this,

2140
01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:56,439
first section it's less Problematic For san antonio than basically

2141
01:48:56,439 --> 01:48:57,159
any other team in.

2142
01:48:57,199 --> 01:49:00,800
Speaker 1: The, league yeah which is why. It's, interesting uh unless

2143
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:03,199
you have. Anything else the actual final addendum here we

2144
01:49:03,239 --> 01:49:05,199
did not get the news. Though MORE but i have

2145
01:49:05,279 --> 01:49:09,319
to ask you Where Is lebron? James going and people

2146
01:49:09,359 --> 01:49:11,239
have asked Me why i've called this four. Point zero

2147
01:49:11,239 --> 01:49:13,319
it's because it's the fourth time that he'll be changing

2148
01:49:13,359 --> 01:49:16,199
teams in, free Agency so i'm Calling It lebron watch

2149
01:49:16,279 --> 01:49:19,760
Four point oh that's. Very creative it's. NOT creative i

2150
01:49:19,880 --> 01:49:21,840
just some people want why is It like Lebron watched

2151
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:23,119
part one and?

2152
01:49:23,159 --> 01:49:28,079
Speaker 2: Forty seven, so okay are you asking ME where i

2153
01:49:28,119 --> 01:49:29,800
think he'll go OR where i want him?

2154
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:32,439
Speaker 1: To go let's. Do both where do you want him?

2155
01:49:32,439 --> 01:49:32,520
Speaker 2: To?

2156
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:36,399
Speaker 1: Go spurs they're not even on or they're not even

2157
01:49:36,439 --> 01:49:38,119
On the they're on, the whiteboard but they're not on the.

2158
01:49:38,119 --> 01:49:39,239
FINAL list i.

2159
01:49:39,239 --> 01:49:41,319
Speaker 2: Don't care THAT'S where i want him to go because

2160
01:49:41,359 --> 01:49:43,840
that makes sense to play With The martin rosen got it.

2161
01:49:44,640 --> 01:49:48,199
Speaker 1: With the Mar and harry b.

2162
01:49:48,319 --> 01:49:51,920
Speaker 2: WHO'S returning i just wanted an old. Man, CROWD no

2163
01:49:52,159 --> 01:49:56,880
i THINK he'll i think He'll. Be cleveland he'll sign

2164
01:49:56,920 --> 01:49:59,960
Some major netflix deal and then just it's the fine

2165
01:50:00,079 --> 01:50:02,079
only year it's gonna be A for, well show it's

2166
01:50:02,079 --> 01:50:02,279
going To.

2167
01:50:02,319 --> 01:50:06,720
Speaker 1: Be, cleveland yeah it does seem like it's Pointing. TO

2168
01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:09,359
cleveland I Predicted. Golden state grant talked me into it

2169
01:50:09,399 --> 01:50:12,439
Because The golden state's been big on the meaningful. Basketball

2170
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:15,720
terminology and then there was the quote that was released

2171
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:17,800
That said lebron wants to play. MEANINGFUL basketball i thought

2172
01:50:17,800 --> 01:50:20,880
it was a, tie In but i'd rather see him

2173
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:23,199
just go somewhere else Other. Than cleveland there's just a

2174
01:50:23,199 --> 01:50:24,640
lot of, been there done that. FOR me i know

2175
01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:28,159
it's there's the poeticism, of it but, been there, Done

2176
01:50:28,199 --> 01:50:30,479
THAT and i. FLIP flopped I said I Predicted. GOLDEN

2177
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:32,560
state i was On a cleveland radio station the other day,

2178
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:35,520
and said it feels like it's just Gonna be cleveland at.

2179
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:38,800
This juncture and if that's what, It is i'm not.

2180
01:50:38,960 --> 01:50:41,039
JUST boring i. Get it good. For him it's. His

2181
01:50:41,159 --> 01:50:43,880
choice but if if you were to try and make

2182
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:47,079
the case where we're going to try and win, a

2183
01:50:47,119 --> 01:50:51,039
title do the most for, his legacy what's? The team

2184
01:50:51,119 --> 01:50:56,279
is it Still the spurs contenuinely asking because if you

2185
01:50:56,319 --> 01:51:02,039
win a title with a, fourth team. That's, insane sure

2186
01:51:02,119 --> 01:51:05,960
but like he wouldn't be like the. MAIN guy i

2187
01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:12,279
mean he would be what what team are we? Talking about, You? Said, spurs,

2188
01:51:12,720 --> 01:51:14,640
well men where? Would you where would be the if

2189
01:51:14,680 --> 01:51:17,279
you were trying to boost? Your LEGACY if i want a?

2190
01:51:17,319 --> 01:51:20,079
TITLE here i think the most people the answer Has.

2191
01:51:20,119 --> 01:51:22,359
Been minnesota imagine Going to minnesota and.

2192
01:51:22,399 --> 01:51:26,479
Speaker 2: Winning, title yeah that's a, good ONE NO i i,

2193
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:29,239
BUT like i don't Know if lebron has grown like

2194
01:51:29,279 --> 01:51:32,039
above that now with the title stuff and like you

2195
01:51:32,239 --> 01:51:35,800
just want the story now and stuff. The titles but

2196
01:51:35,960 --> 01:51:38,079
like if he were to finish out his career with,

2197
01:51:38,159 --> 01:51:42,800
a title that would be. Pretty epic where the hell?

2198
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:42,960
Speaker 3: Is?

2199
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:43,720
Speaker 1: That though.

2200
01:51:45,399 --> 01:51:45,439
Speaker 2: What?

2201
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:46,680
Speaker 1: Not denver.

2202
01:51:48,680 --> 01:51:51,399
Speaker 2: Then if he Goes, to denver everything is safe from

2203
01:51:51,439 --> 01:51:55,439
what we talked? About earlier what is oh, what yo

2204
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:57,600
kitch isn't? Going anywhere is that what you're? TALKING about

2205
01:51:57,600 --> 01:51:59,479
i mean it's just like it's just like then we're

2206
01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:03,119
talking they're gonna miss out or they're Gonna Trade christian

2207
01:52:03,119 --> 01:52:03,840
brown and they're.

2208
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:06,079
Speaker 1: Gonna salary, it's like, all right, it's fine just, go

2209
01:52:06,159 --> 01:52:09,399
ahead You're. Getting lebron, it's. OKAY yeah i mean if

2210
01:52:09,439 --> 01:52:11,760
You Keep peyton Watson bringing lebron and you don't have

2211
01:52:11,800 --> 01:52:13,560
To trade Gordon Or, jamal murray you can do whatever.

2212
01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:15,680
YOU want I think I Prefer cam johnson still, be

2213
01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:20,520
there but, Still right detroit would be enough if he

2214
01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:22,840
was looking to really. Like that that would be another

2215
01:52:22,840 --> 01:52:25,399
good one of the teams that are still being. Mentioned

2216
01:52:25,439 --> 01:52:29,239
though It's probably Minnesota because i've Only, Seen, Denver minnesota

2217
01:52:29,680 --> 01:52:32,760
Cleveland Or golden state as the Or my miami's just that's,

2218
01:52:32,760 --> 01:52:34,279
been there done that, for me and they're not gonna

2219
01:52:34,279 --> 01:52:34,960
win with him.

2220
01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:40,000
Speaker 2: Too thin Same got Lebron And, LaMelo, okay.

2221
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:43,439
Speaker 1: Yep, Oh, man yeah he would definitely institute A bedtime

2222
01:52:44,279 --> 01:52:47,079
tv after dinner on. Game. NIGHTS right i. LOVE it i.

2223
01:52:47,119 --> 01:52:48,840
Speaker 2: Love it and as soon as he Sees that hummer

2224
01:52:48,920 --> 01:52:50,800
drive out of the drive out of, the arena he's

2225
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:52,920
gonna call, him like don't you do that?

2226
01:52:52,920 --> 01:52:54,760
Speaker 1: Ship, again well he's gonna be one to call the

2227
01:52:54,800 --> 01:53:01,000
cops on on. THE RIGHT i i did find it

2228
01:53:01,039 --> 01:53:04,119
funny that part Of the wolves's pitch, was hey come

2229
01:53:04,159 --> 01:53:06,880
Play with it was just like. So uninspiring it was

2230
01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:10,159
just them listing. Their, roster basically they're trying To Pitch

2231
01:53:10,239 --> 01:53:14,279
lebron i'm Playing With Rudy LaMelo Ball And, Anthony edwards and, it's,

2232
01:53:14,279 --> 01:53:16,359
like yes those are and d the players were on

2233
01:53:16,399 --> 01:53:18,840
the team that you would be selling, him on as opposed,

2234
01:53:18,840 --> 01:53:21,159
to like what are what are other teams pitching him

2235
01:53:21,159 --> 01:53:23,800
on players they. DON'T have I guess. I don't i

2236
01:53:23,800 --> 01:53:24,560
don't know.

2237
01:53:24,399 --> 01:53:28,520
Speaker 2: Right right or market, value like but but Here, in minnesota,

2238
01:53:28,640 --> 01:53:31,520
we're cold but We Have, anthony edwards which you.

2239
01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:35,399
Speaker 1: Already know here's. Our pitch. It's great was there anything

2240
01:53:35,439 --> 01:53:38,279
else happening this offseason and free Agency That jalen durren

2241
01:53:38,359 --> 01:53:39,399
thoughts what's going on with him And?

2242
01:53:39,399 --> 01:53:43,880
Speaker 2: The pistons, JUST briefly i think his market has just,

2243
01:53:44,119 --> 01:53:47,000
right UP and i think the postseason. RUINED him, I

2244
01:53:47,680 --> 01:53:50,760
like i think he was really, feel.

2245
01:53:51,279 --> 01:53:53,880
Speaker 1: Yeah oh like he was just. So bad he was

2246
01:53:53,960 --> 01:53:54,600
so bad in.

2247
01:53:54,640 --> 01:53:57,079
Speaker 2: THE postseason i think so many teams that were in

2248
01:53:57,119 --> 01:54:00,319
on and before the start of the playoffs, were like uh,

2249
01:54:00,319 --> 01:54:07,159
OH oh, i no we can't justify this, at all, and,

2250
01:54:07,600 --> 01:54:11,439
well rightfully so we'll see. What happens he's probably looking

2251
01:54:11,439 --> 01:54:13,479
for a sign and trade situation right now to get,

2252
01:54:13,479 --> 01:54:18,720
his MONEY but i would just really like to know

2253
01:54:19,039 --> 01:54:20,520
where he'll try to find.

2254
01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:23,720
Speaker 1: That market do you think there's any chance he signs his? Qualifying?

2255
01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:29,319
OFFER yeah. I do that WOULD be, i mean it

2256
01:54:29,359 --> 01:54:31,680
happened a few times, last year But AN all nba

2257
01:54:31,800 --> 01:54:34,279
player sign? When's less Have AN all nba player signed a?

2258
01:54:34,359 --> 01:54:38,359
Qualifying offer has that? Ever happened greg went out Didn't MAKE,

2259
01:54:38,399 --> 01:54:40,560
all NBA but i remember he was one of the

2260
01:54:40,600 --> 01:54:43,439
bigger names that. DID it i don't. Think, So No

2261
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:46,399
jonathan Kaminga MADE all nba in, his MIND so i,

2262
01:54:46,439 --> 01:54:49,960
guess mate does that count he didn't sign his? Qualifying offer? Never, MIND.

2263
01:54:53,039 --> 01:54:55,119
Speaker 2: No I think i think he's he's going to be

2264
01:54:55,119 --> 01:54:55,399
in for a.

2265
01:54:55,479 --> 01:54:59,079
Speaker 1: ROUGH time i don't even Know the kings had been

2266
01:54:59,079 --> 01:55:01,880
floated as the sign of. TRADE destination i don't. Even

2267
01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:06,159
know the problem with that is who do they have

2268
01:55:06,199 --> 01:55:08,239
That the pistons are gonna, be, like, yeah well we'll

2269
01:55:08,279 --> 01:55:11,479
negotiate a sign and trade because they can't Just take duran.

2270
01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:14,279
Into anything they're in the tax right now or after Waving,

2271
01:55:14,319 --> 01:55:16,920
to rosen they should. Be FINE but i don't even

2272
01:55:16,920 --> 01:55:19,039
know what's going out in. That deal they're trying to

2273
01:55:19,079 --> 01:55:22,239
sell you on you get into base your, compensation issues

2274
01:55:22,279 --> 01:55:26,880
so it's not Even zach lavine wouldn't. EVEN work, I

2275
01:55:27,239 --> 01:55:28,960
know i think it's going to be a.

2276
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:33,680
Speaker 2: Tough one someone, DID this i Think On blue sky

2277
01:55:33,880 --> 01:55:37,800
just basically outlined how difficult that deal.

2278
01:55:37,560 --> 01:55:44,399
Speaker 1: Would Be to. Sacramento, specifically yeah it's a.

2279
01:55:44,439 --> 01:55:47,319
Speaker 2: GOOD question i don't know what's gonna, happen here and

2280
01:55:47,359 --> 01:55:50,000
like teams are drying up with cap, space too like

2281
01:55:50,039 --> 01:55:53,039
their isl lot. Out there it just seems to me

2282
01:55:53,119 --> 01:55:55,520
like this this just reeks of a qualifying offer and

2283
01:55:55,560 --> 01:55:58,319
then let's go back to the well. Next year so

2284
01:55:58,399 --> 01:56:00,720
you think you think he's gonna sign, Is qualifying like

2285
01:56:00,760 --> 01:56:04,279
you actually think that's what's. Gonna happen interesting unless they

2286
01:56:04,399 --> 01:56:06,640
just have it Comes to jesus moment both sides, and, say,

2287
01:56:06,680 --> 01:56:09,039
okay look You know kate is pushing us to really,

2288
01:56:09,079 --> 01:56:12,800
sign you and you guys do have, a great, you

2289
01:56:12,840 --> 01:56:16,039
know great chemistry on, The court like we expect you to.

2290
01:56:16,039 --> 01:56:20,239
Get better we're hoping that the playoffs last year was just.

2291
01:56:20,199 --> 01:56:21,079
Speaker 1: You know you having.

2292
01:56:21,359 --> 01:56:25,960
Speaker 2: AN aneurysm i mean that, was me but like he

2293
01:56:26,119 --> 01:56:28,319
just played. So Poorly jesus christ that was just one

2294
01:56:28,359 --> 01:56:30,439
of the Worst performances i'd seen from AN old, Nba

2295
01:56:30,520 --> 01:56:35,439
guy so like there might, be that but as of,

2296
01:56:35,560 --> 01:56:39,800
RIGHT now i think he's probably inclined to take THE.

2297
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Speaker 1: C qo do you think what do you think? The

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OP but i guess If, you're detroit what is your

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what are you? Maxing him what is your max value?

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01:56:50,239 --> 01:56:52,760
On him would you give Him the so the max

2301
01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:55,000
another team could have given him was, four years one

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01:56:55,039 --> 01:56:57,920
hundred and seventy seven point. Three million do you think

2303
01:56:57,920 --> 01:57:00,199
that's the number there we'll want to. Get to do

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01:57:00,239 --> 01:57:02,800
You Think walker kestler getting four for one thirty help or?

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01:57:02,840 --> 01:57:04,840
Hurt him hurt him in the sense Because the lakers.

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Are out but.

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Speaker 2: So, let's see what is twenty percent of the? Salary

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01:57:11,239 --> 01:57:14,640
cap that is like forty, three, million right forty two forty?

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Speaker 1: Three million that sounds. About Right walker kesler's on the

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01:57:18,239 --> 01:57:20,520
books for thirty point two and is eighteen point three

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percent of.

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Speaker 2: The, Cap okay So If, i'm detroit That's what. I'm

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01:57:27,600 --> 01:57:30,319
offering i'm offering a flat rate of, Twenty percent so

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01:57:30,359 --> 01:57:33,920
basically twenty percent, year one and then that number flat

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01:57:34,079 --> 01:57:36,640
throughout the remainder of, The contract.

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Speaker 1: So it would it de escalates in percentage of.

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01:57:39,399 --> 01:57:41,960
Speaker 2: The, cap yeah but like the number stays the same

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as Something Like jalen.

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Speaker 1: Johnson's. Contract, WOW yeah i think if that's, THEIR offer

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i would understand it from, their perspective and it's Their

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01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:54,319
perspective i've been approaching. It, from yes if that's the,

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01:57:54,399 --> 01:57:56,239
offer though, THEN yeah i would Think that jalen durn

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01:57:56,279 --> 01:58:00,800
ends up signing his. Qualifying. Offer right their off season

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01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:02,920
has been well'll talk about them. Another time their off

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01:58:02,920 --> 01:58:06,359
season has. BEEN interesting i think people were expecting more fireworks. Than.

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This more you have anything else.

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01:58:08,640 --> 01:58:08,920
Speaker 2: You want to?

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01:58:08,920 --> 01:58:10,960
Speaker 1: Talk about or can you tell our fine audience where

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01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:13,359
they could find you and all the fantastic work that.

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Speaker 3: You?

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01:58:13,520 --> 01:58:16,199
Speaker 2: Do, yes absolutely you can find me over AT the

2332
01:58:16,279 --> 01:58:21,119
nba podcast Over At, yahoo sports and if You, understand

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01:58:21,159 --> 01:58:24,479
danish you can Listen To buster beater or catch from

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01:58:24,479 --> 01:58:25,159
calling GAMES On.

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Speaker 1: Hbo mac until, next time and, AS always i leave

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01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:30,720
you all with the shout out to, the one, the only,

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01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:33,720
the indelible the one who could really Bring the hornets

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01:58:33,720 --> 01:58:37,159
to glory after They Traded, LaMelo Ball Mister Frank yila

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keina