WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:03.919 I'm live today seven to seventy West Riverdale Road in Ogden. 2 00:00:03.960 --> 00:00:06.639 We are out and about for the thirteenth Daniel Memorial 3 00:00:06.719 --> 00:00:09.519 did weekend tent sale with our friends at Wassatch Front, Kia. 4 00:00:09.640 --> 00:00:13.279 We are giving away a great lone Mountain one tenqt 5 00:00:13.480 --> 00:00:16.480 cooler from Pitmaster Supply Company and we will draw a 6 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:19.320 name about one hour from right now. All you have 7 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:20.839 to do is come by an enter to win, and 8 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:22.239 we're gonna hook you up coming up at. 9 00:00:22.120 --> 00:00:22.960 About five o'clock. 10 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:27.239 All right, a random amount of college football storylines to 11 00:00:27.239 --> 00:00:29.239 get to today, and no better guest to break it 12 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:31.679 down there. I got Matt Brown, the founder and publisher 13 00:00:31.679 --> 00:00:34.280 of Extra Points and front of the program. 14 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:36.000 Matt, Happy Thursday, buddy. How are you doing? 15 00:00:36.479 --> 00:00:38.880 Hey, I'm doing great. It's always a pleasure to spend 16 00:00:38.880 --> 00:00:40.000 a little bit of time here with you. 17 00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:42.439 I appreciate the time. Appreciate the time. 18 00:00:42.520 --> 00:00:46.640 So the CFP has approved a new seating model for 19 00:00:46.759 --> 00:00:47.359 next season. 20 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:48.640 Am I wrong to say? 21 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:51.280 This appears to be something that is just so basic 22 00:00:51.320 --> 00:00:53.200 that I don't know why they did this all along. 23 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:56.200 I get I get why they did it. I mean, 24 00:00:56.240 --> 00:01:01.439 we've had the NFL had postseason formats where preferential seating 25 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:03.399 was given to people that won divisions, and then other 26 00:01:03.439 --> 00:01:07.680 professional leagues have done it before. Honestly, I wish they 27 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:09.480 hadn't done it, just because I think this is a 28 00:01:09.519 --> 00:01:12.159 little bit of an overreaction to Arizona State and Boise 29 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:14.799 State last year. But I don't think I don't think 30 00:01:14.840 --> 00:01:17.719 fans are going to complain. It's probably not good news 31 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:21.000 for the Big Twelve, but it should lead to more 32 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:24.400 equally matched early postseason games for next season. 33 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:25.680 Yeah. 34 00:01:25.920 --> 00:01:29.640 I mean not to just draw a parallel, because sometimes 35 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:32.799 it's an exercise and futility to say, well, basketball does this, 36 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:35.480 so football should do it. Football does it, so basketball 37 00:01:35.519 --> 00:01:38.599 should do it. But it's not like the NCAA tournament 38 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:39.760 is seated based. 39 00:01:39.519 --> 00:01:41.439 Off of conference champs or what have you. Like. 40 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:44.280 It just seems in my pea brain that the best 41 00:01:44.319 --> 00:01:46.439 team should get the highest seats, is all I'm saying. 42 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:49.599 Yeah, now that I think about it, I don't think 43 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:54.319 any other NCAA championship event does guaranteed seating for conference 44 00:01:54.400 --> 00:01:57.760 champions It's either done by net or pair wise or 45 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:00.560 RPI or anything else. I mean, this isn't clean inc 46 00:02:00.599 --> 00:02:03.000 double event. But if you want to make things standard. 47 00:02:03.159 --> 00:02:05.959 That does make sense, all right. 48 00:02:05.799 --> 00:02:08.159 So let's stay in this space for a moment, because 49 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:11.639 the other conversation that is out there is what twenty 50 00:02:11.680 --> 00:02:14.759 twenty six will look like, and you know, expanding to 51 00:02:14.919 --> 00:02:16.719 sixteen teams seems. 52 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:17.319 To be inevitable. 53 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:20.240 But then there's the conversation about four auto bids for 54 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:23.240 the SEC, four auto bids for the Big ten, two 55 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:25.360 for the Big twelve, two for the ACC, one for 56 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:28.680 Group of six, and then three at large bids. 57 00:02:28.719 --> 00:02:30.120 That's kind of been bandied about. 58 00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:31.960 There's a little bit of pushback going on, as you 59 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:33.960 would expect, So give me your thoughts on this and 60 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:35.759 how you think we land well. 61 00:02:35.800 --> 00:02:37.680 I mean, my personal thought is I hate it. 62 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:39.000 I hate it. I hate it. 63 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:41.719 I think that the part of this is again a 64 00:02:41.800 --> 00:02:45.560 dramatic overreaction to the results from one season. This was 65 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:47.960 I think a major problem that college football had with 66 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:51.159 the BCS. Or you would set a formula, it would work, 67 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:52.919 it would work out one way. We all decided we 68 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:55.520 didn't like that, so we'd immediately change the formula and 69 00:02:55.560 --> 00:02:59.039 then things would You never had enough consistency or ability 70 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:01.680 to make a real data and form decision. It's also 71 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:04.560 a money grab and and not to sound you know, 72 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:09.479 hysterically hyperbolic, but I think, I think this proposal is 73 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:14.639 almost anti American and how it completely removes meritocracy and 74 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:18.039 it is built to lock in advantages from a couple 75 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:21.840 of these other largest institutions. And honestly, the biggest obstacle 76 00:03:22.479 --> 00:03:25.919 to us moving toward to a world with automatic bids 77 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:27.960 is not so much the Big twelve or the a CEC, 78 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:31.879 who I don't think can meaningfully stop this given the 79 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:36.599 voting control. It's it's going to be Congress, and it's 80 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:39.919 going to be politicians because of enough lawmakers and enough 81 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:43.120 you know, politically influential people who are tied to Big 82 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:46.919 twelve or ACC or G six interests are able to 83 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:51.680 waive you know, you know, uh raised concerns about anti trust. 84 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:54.719 Then I could I could see an outside entity forbidding 85 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:56.479 this sort of thing from happening, and that was that 86 00:03:56.599 --> 00:04:00.919 was you know, Cody Campbell, the the Texas tech billionaire 87 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:03.360 and who was going to co chair the White House 88 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:07.080 College Sports Commission until that got postponed, has raised concerns 89 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:12.479 about this. Outside of the government doing something, It's difficult 90 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:14.280 for me to imagine this unique and to put back 91 00:04:14.280 --> 00:04:16.519 in the puddle, which is good news if you're a 92 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:19.920 fan of fifth place SEC teams, probably less good news 93 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:21.040 if you like anybody else. 94 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:24.560 All Right, Matt, we're gonna need you to walk us 95 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:27.480 through this because it has been a chaotic back and 96 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:33.439 forth with some legislators and lawmakers on the state level 97 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:38.800 passing some bills kind of quietly, quite frankly that would 98 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:43.759 allow their schools to circumvent rules put in place by 99 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:47.759 the House first NCAA settlement, And now it looks like 100 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:50.399 there's legislation on the table or. 101 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:54.720 A contract that would bind schools to the new enforcement rules. 102 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:57.439 And require them to waive the right to sue over 103 00:04:57.480 --> 00:05:02.399 decisions despite the state legislation. I just want the damn settlement, dude, 104 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:03.920 so I can understand where we're at. 105 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:07.199 So the time is yours. Walk us through this what's 106 00:05:07.240 --> 00:05:07.879 going on here. 107 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:10.600 So the bad news is, and I've written about this 108 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:13.160 a little bit, is that I don't think any of 109 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:15.879 this matters regardless of what Judge Wilkin does in the 110 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:19.399 next thirty six hours, regardless of what state lawmakers do, 111 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:22.959 because either Judge will can approves the thing before you know, 112 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:25.079 I log off and close my computer on Friday, and 113 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:27.839 then we have the next lawsuit two weeks later, or 114 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:31.079 she doesn't approve it and the SCLA changes some rules, 115 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:33.839 and then we have another lawsuit. You can have, you 116 00:05:33.879 --> 00:05:36.240 can have the college Sports Commission or whatever you want 117 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:39.240 to call this, this new group ask tell schools you 118 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:41.680 got to sign, you got to wage your right to sue, 119 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:45.639 You got to agree to this other forum for or 120 00:05:45.639 --> 00:05:48.000 I'll kick you out. You can make them sign that, 121 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:50.079 but someone can still sue and say it doesn't matter. 122 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:53.879 That contract's unenforceable. This is unconstitutional, this is illegal. And 123 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:56.360 the only way that you have clarity is, well, let's 124 00:05:56.439 --> 00:05:58.560 let's see what some judges think. Let's see what the 125 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:02.240 federal government decides to do. Let's see how some parts 126 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:05.199 of this settlement are tested in court or in Congress. 127 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:07.920 So all that's frustrating, because I know you're sick of 128 00:06:07.959 --> 00:06:09.879 talking about it. Candidly, I'm a little bit sick of 129 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:12.600 writing about it. Most of the ads and coaches and 130 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:16.000 presidents that I talked to are tired of having somebody 131 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:19.040 from something completely outside of their universe dictate things to 132 00:06:19.079 --> 00:06:23.319 them unseemingly our arbitrary bases. But that's the reality. It's 133 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:25.439 not just Tennessee that's passed one of these loss. Oregon 134 00:06:25.480 --> 00:06:27.720 has done it too. There's others that are considering it. 135 00:06:28.360 --> 00:06:31.480 And we won't know how enforceable any of this house 136 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:34.920 stuff is until somebody who isn't Judge Wilkin takes the 137 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:35.439 look at. 138 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:38.399 It good insgrations. 139 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:41.399 So I'm going to reduce it even more, be reductive 140 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:45.160 even more. When are you expecting the settlement to be passed? 141 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:47.160 When are you expecting this to actually go down? 142 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:51.040 I'm expecting an update from the judge before the end 143 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:55.160 of this week, before the holiday weekend. It's been two weeks. 144 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:57.519 All of the motions have been filed, all the PaperWorks 145 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:00.560 on our desk. I've actually posted in a couple of 146 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:02.399 meetings that I've had because a lot of these things 147 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:06.199 end up happening late in the afternoon specific time. But 148 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:09.600 it would not shock me if it's four thirty specific 149 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:11.759 time and all of the other national reporters are two 150 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:14.160 beers deeps heading into a three day weekend and then 151 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:15.839 suddenly we all have to run to our desks and 152 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:20.839 write something. Even though I think functionally whatever happens with 153 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:22.800 this case doesn't actually matter. 154 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:27.120 Okay, let's dig into that, though, because I think most 155 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:30.639 people have been waiting for this case to be settled 156 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:34.680 in order to understand the landscape of what college football, 157 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:37.240 specifically in college athletics as a whole, will look like. 158 00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:39.480 So tell me, and you already alluded to this with 159 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:41.879 your previous answer, let's unpack it a little bit more so. 160 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:45.439 If I'm understanding correctly, you're expecting the settlement, then you're 161 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:49.920 expecting lawsuits, and you're expecting lawsuits against the lawsuits and 162 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:52.759 appeals and like so, So how does this end? 163 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:55.079 How does this ball of yarn unwined? 164 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:59.319 It ends in one of three ways? Right, It ends 165 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:04.920 because the federal government, through Congress or even potentially executive action. 166 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:07.480 I guess if the balance of powers doesn't really matter anymore. 167 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:10.600 But but somebody in Washington, d c. Passes a law 168 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:15.439 to create clarity clarity meeting and anti trust exemption clarity meeting. 169 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:19.879 We're throwing out the settlement clarity to end the legal 170 00:08:19.920 --> 00:08:23.040 exposure or limit it one way or another's that's one option. 171 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:26.360 Option two is the federal government doesn't do anything, and 172 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:29.560 this just plays out two courts, and courts will either 173 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:33.320 affirm the settlement and establish some kind of precedence in 174 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:36.480 the NCAA will be able to enforce some of these 175 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:40.000 NIL restrictions, or they won't, or the case goes to 176 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:42.840 trial in case the whole thing, the whole sediment completely 177 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:46.120 blows up, and then we have another three years of 178 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:49.720 kind of kind of navigating about this. The third would 179 00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:53.240 be the settlement gets torn up and another one is proposed, 180 00:08:53.240 --> 00:08:56.240 which is which is the least likely thing. I know, 181 00:08:56.320 --> 00:08:59.840 it's frustrating. What's gonna happen in two and a half 182 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:04.320 weeks three weeks. Is that one way or another, administrators 183 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:08.240 at Utah and BYU and Utah State are going to 184 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:12.440 make preparations to pay college athletes directly. Either it will 185 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:15.679 be under the terms of the House settlement, which will 186 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:19.559 you know, will probably be executed and not stayed under appeal, 187 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:21.440 or the thing gets blown up and they're going to 188 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:23.399 pay people anyway, and the NCAA is just going to 189 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:26.559 change their rules, just like they did over NIL in 190 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:31.080 twenty twenty one. I would love to not think about 191 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:34.799 this anymore, but I do not think the legal realities 192 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:35.879 are going to allow me. 193 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:40.600 To do anything else, which brings us to another situation. 194 00:09:40.720 --> 00:09:41.799 I need your help here. 195 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:47.639 So the Presidential Commission on College Sports, President Trump has 196 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:51.039 I guess, at one point decided this was a good idea. 197 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:56.600 The Kedy Campbell, businessman from Texas is involved. 198 00:09:57.600 --> 00:09:57.679 In. 199 00:09:57.720 --> 00:10:01.080 My understanding is they had started to look at recommendations 200 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:01.879 for membership. 201 00:10:02.120 --> 00:10:03.879 Of course, the story. 202 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:05.960 That they spoke with Nick Saban about it advisor role 203 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:09.159 is out there, and then I guess today they're pausing it. 204 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:11.600 I mean, I don't know if this is like another 205 00:10:12.200 --> 00:10:14.399 like we're gonna tear if everybody and then wait, we're not, 206 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:17.519 like what exactly is going on here? 207 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:22.399 So I mean, we can't we can't rule that out. Really, 208 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:25.600 like I think, not to be partisan, but one thing 209 00:10:25.639 --> 00:10:28.039 that's been pretty true of this particular administration, there's a 210 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:31.440 little bit of a ready fire aim approach to a 211 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:34.559 lot of things. What happened was the Trump White House 212 00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:37.320 decided first by leaking to the Wall Street Journal what 213 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:40.480 they were considering a college Sports Executive Order and then 214 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:44.360 creating this commission. They didn't tell anybody about that until 215 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:47.559 until they decided let's let's all systems go. And many 216 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:50.840 of the issues that Senator Tuberville is concerned with and 217 00:10:51.080 --> 00:10:54.840 Saban's concerned with that, Campbell is concerned with and many 218 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:58.360 lawmakers are the exact issues that are trying to be 219 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:01.320 resolved in Congress, and the point person for that. The 220 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:04.720 most likely bill to pass is Ted Cruz, who's been 221 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:09.159 negotiating for six months with Senator Moran out of the 222 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:13.080 Republican out of Kansas, Corey Booker, Democrat from New Jersey. 223 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:17.519 I think I think Blumenthal and Kune Senator from from 224 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:20.759 from Delaware, and I've seen part of this bill. I've 225 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:23.879 talked to staffers in a couple of those different Senate 226 00:11:23.919 --> 00:11:28.799 offices and Senate committees and their goal and then you know, 227 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:32.039 Cruise's people and and Kuon's people have said, yeah, we 228 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:35.720 think this can get bipartisan support to finally get get 229 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:38.519 something through. Whether it gets sixty votes or fifty six 230 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:40.720 or fifty eight, you know, we don't know, but it's 231 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:43.159 something like that that contracts of support. And I think 232 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:47.000 what's happened here, you know, based on the phone calls 233 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:51.879 I've made today, is two things. One, big money from 234 00:11:51.879 --> 00:11:54.080 the big ten in the SEC and their lobbying efforts 235 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:56.039 have kind of gotten into Trump's ear and said, hey, 236 00:11:57.240 --> 00:11:59.480 Cody Campbell wants some stuff here that we don't watch, 237 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:02.000 and maybe we don't want him to have as much influence, 238 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:06.720 namely potentially curtailing the Big ten in the SEC's overwhelming influence. 239 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:09.320 Not good if you're a Texas tech fan. The other 240 00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:12.000 thing is, it's going to be much harder for Ted 241 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:15.039 Cruz to get six Democrats or any Democrats to support 242 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:18.159 something if President Trump is out in front of it. 243 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.120 The smaller role that he plays, given how politically readio 244 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:24.840 active he is right now, the easier it's going to 245 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:28.000 be to find a couple of Democrats to get this 246 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:31.600 thing over the line. So what I believe is happening 247 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:33.279 here is a bunch of other people have gotten to 248 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:35.840 the President and they're like, no, actually, it makes more 249 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:38.679 sense to defer to Ted. Let's give him a few 250 00:12:38.679 --> 00:12:41.639 more weeks. Let's see what Judge Wilkin does, and then 251 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:43.799 we'll go back to this commission. Because there are issues 252 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:46.960 that the President is concerned about and Senator Trumberville are 253 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:49.399 concerned about that don't have anything to do with NIL, 254 00:12:49.799 --> 00:12:52.759 and those might be something that is addressed by an 255 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:55.519 executive order commission independent of this bill. 256 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:00.559 I'm trying to think of having any Edd in my 257 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:03.159 bag just so I can pop a couple of advil 258 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:03.879 or something here. 259 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:06.600 I know it's the thing that every sports fan is 260 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:09.039 really excited about in late Nay, It's like I can't 261 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:12.039 wait to talk about Ted Cruz, but this, this is 262 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:12.559 the reality. 263 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:19.320 Well, ultimately, do you foresee this commission essentially at some 264 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:24.399 point existing permanently. I mean the bypart is the nature 265 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:27.240 of what has to happen here doesn't seem to be possible. 266 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:29.279 And I'm no political. 267 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:31.200 Expert, but I keep track of it because I'm a 268 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:34.279 human who lives in the United States of America, and 269 00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:36.120 with all the things that seem to be a little 270 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:39.840 bit more important on the table, with our leaders in 271 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:42.840 charge unable to come together from pretty basic things, do 272 00:13:42.879 --> 00:13:45.279 you think this is something that actually will exist when 273 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:46.440 the dust settles? 274 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:50.399 I do, actually, And I think an interesting question is 275 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:53.840 going to be what does this commission ultimately end up studying? 276 00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:57.440 One thing that I've written about and supported for a 277 00:13:57.480 --> 00:14:02.559 couple of years, as have other athletes. Activists have pushed 278 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:05.559 for a commission to study the Olympic movement, just like 279 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:08.200 we had in the late seventies. Right if whether it's 280 00:14:08.200 --> 00:14:10.639 the House settlement or revenue sharing or nil. All these 281 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:14.279 other things are changing the ability for smaller schools to 282 00:14:14.279 --> 00:14:16.799 sponsor Olympic sports. I mean, just a few hours ago, 283 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:18.879 I think Steven F. Austin just dropped four. I have 284 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:22.519 a story about all of this coming out tomorrow. It 285 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:26.120 makes sense for national experts in business and military and 286 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:28.559 athletics to figure out how are we going to fund 287 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:32.039 elite athlete development? That would that would absolutely be something 288 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:35.080 that would be the purview of a college sports commission. 289 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:38.200 I think that would be a good idea. There are issues, 290 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:41.200 and I know this because I've talked to Republican staffers 291 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:45.000 and lawmakers who have asked my opinion about some college 292 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:47.120 sports reform. Like I know that there are the lawmakers 293 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:51.080 who are concerned about the number of international athletes who 294 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:53.080 are competing right now at the highest level, and are 295 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:58.320 they taking spots of American athletes? Obviously, you know, a 296 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:02.879 very animating issue among servatives is the potential participation of 297 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:07.120 transgender athletes in women's sports, and and how can that 298 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:09.840 be limited or curtailed or eliminated. Even more, there's a 299 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:12.200 reform of Title nine. These are all things that are 300 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:13.960 not going to be in the TED Cruz Bill that 301 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:17.120 are not about nil, not about athlete compensation, but are 302 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:20.080 important to Republican politicians and could be a part of 303 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:22.639 a commission. So could the reform of the of the 304 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:25.799 Sports Broadcasting Act, which would you know, which is what 305 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:28.759 prohibits the NFL from you know, playing games on Saturdays 306 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:32.360 in October. That could have changes. So all of this 307 00:15:32.440 --> 00:15:35.840 is possible. The difficult thing for good or for ill, 308 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:39.960 love the guy or hate him. President Trump's unpredictable and 309 00:15:40.120 --> 00:15:42.039 at a lot of his actions depend on who got 310 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:43.919 in his ear last or what he saw on TV 311 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:46.559 at ten o'clock at night. And if I could predict 312 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:48.799 exactly what he's going to do sixty days from now, 313 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:51.480 my newsletter would be much much more expensive. 314 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:54.879 All Right, one more thing here than there is a 315 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:58.320 local story involving Eyu's quarterback I wanted to ask you about, 316 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:00.960 and you know it's a very sensitive things, so if 317 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:02.960 you don't have much on it, we can quickly move on. 318 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:06.360 But and I know I revisit this with you quite 319 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:09.480 a bit. But of course, the conversations about the Big 320 00:16:09.559 --> 00:16:12.279 ten and the SEC wielding the power that they do 321 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:14.240 in the half of the auto. 322 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:16.440 Bids, and the sixteen sixteen team CFP. 323 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:19.879 At one point it felt like we were high speed ahead, 324 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:22.600 and honestly, part of me feels like we should do this, 325 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:25.279 but of course there are so many pieces of red 326 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:29.000 tape and legal jargon and anti trust this, and the 327 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:32.799 courts have to settle that that are Are we still 328 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:35.799 moving into a situation where you do think at some 329 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:36.759 point there will be. 330 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:38.240 Two power conferences? 331 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:42.159 Or have we just settled into like college football is 332 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:44.120 what it is right now and we're just going to 333 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:47.799 continue to traverse these legal spaces until we actually land 334 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:50.559 on something that is either these two conferences or is 335 00:16:50.559 --> 00:16:52.960 it just this now in perpetuity for a while. 336 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:56.840 I would not bet on this in perpetuity for anything. 337 00:16:56.960 --> 00:16:59.960 Right this is an era of seismic change, and we're 338 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:03.320 not done with that seismic change. It would not surprise 339 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:07.279 me if we are moving towards the world where we 340 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:09.720 have a separation between the Big Ten and the SEC, 341 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:13.240 or for that matter, potentially a separation that's even smaller 342 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:17.359 than that, a separation of thirty two or forty elite 343 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:20.400 college programs or brands, most of which are in the 344 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:23.440 Big Ten and SEC. But maybe that doesn't include Northwestern 345 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:27.279 maybe that doesn't include Rutgers or Vanderbilt, or for building 346 00:17:27.359 --> 00:17:29.880 a new super league. We could be moving to a 347 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:32.279 world with that separation of sixty five teams and maybe 348 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:35.279 includes a bunch of Big twelve institutions. We could be 349 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:38.079 moving towards the world where that is halted because of 350 00:17:38.119 --> 00:17:41.440 new anti trust enforcement or new federal legislation, or what 351 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:45.279 happens with private equity. It's a terrible sports radio answer 352 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:48.839 to say that you're not sure exactly where it's going 353 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:51.000 to go. I do know what the current status quo 354 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:56.680 is untenable financially, legally, morally, and politically. I think how 355 00:17:56.720 --> 00:17:59.079 this sport is configured and looks in four years will 356 00:17:59.119 --> 00:18:00.799 look very different how it is now. 357 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:03.599 All right, man, before it set you loose. About ten 358 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:06.200 minutes before we cracked the mic yesterday to do. 359 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:08.319 The show, the Salt Lake Tribune has. 360 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:11.440 Reported it's a civil case has been filed in Salt 361 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:14.519 Lake County alleging that BYU quarterback Jake Rhetz laugh raped 362 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:17.680 and strangled his accuser in November of twenty twenty three. 363 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:21.240 It's a bad look all around. It's a bad look 364 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:25.200 for the Provo Police department. Jake's attorney, BYU and the 365 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:27.640 Provo PD have all released their own statements. 366 00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:30.559 This is not a criminal charge. It is a civil charge. 367 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:33.480 And now we kind of wait, it's you know, it's 368 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:36.000 been unfortunate, you know the deal. I mean, college football 369 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:37.599 fans are why you and I have a job. But 370 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:40.279 this puts a mirror in front of people, and then 371 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:43.000 you know, you see YOUTE fans doing victory lapse, you 372 00:18:43.000 --> 00:18:44.839 see BYU fans victim shaming. 373 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:45.400 It's been a. 374 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:48.400 Rough twenty four hours or so in the new cycle 375 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:50.440 out this way. I don't even really know what to 376 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:53.079 ask you because ultimately it is such a sensitive situation 377 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:55.039 that really shouldn't have a lot to do with football. 378 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:58.160 But Jake is a starting quarterback at BYU. So what's 379 00:18:58.160 --> 00:19:00.400 your reaction to this? And you know, BYU, how do 380 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:01.240 you think they proceed? 381 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:05.000 Yeah, I mean, the most important thing to me after 382 00:19:05.039 --> 00:19:09.160 reading that story is that I hope for the safety 383 00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:12.480 of Jane Doe, and I hope that Jane Doe is 384 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:17.759 able to uh to obtain justice whatever the facts of 385 00:19:17.799 --> 00:19:20.240 this ultimately and and end up being like that that thing. 386 00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:22.079 I think that's the most important thing for anybody that's 387 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:25.799 reporting and an incident like this, right, I would also say, 388 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:30.880 just for the benefit of news consumers in regardless of 389 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:33.440 what college football you know, fandom you come from. I 390 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:36.039 say this as somebody who doesn't you know, isn't gonna 391 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:37.680 ride or die for any of these places. But it's 392 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:40.759 just been reporting on this for a while. The initially 393 00:19:40.799 --> 00:19:43.839 the facts of the case, as reported by a complaint 394 00:19:44.319 --> 00:19:47.440 and by what police initially say right right after this 395 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:51.799 are not always what actually happened. I hate to say this, 396 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:55.160 but police lie and and in fact, you know, not 397 00:19:55.279 --> 00:19:58.119 irregularly about things that might make them look bad. 398 00:19:58.519 --> 00:19:58.680 Uh. 399 00:19:58.720 --> 00:20:02.359 Sometimes the the complaints is not always accurate either. So 400 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:04.920 the I think the difficult thing is to tell people 401 00:20:05.319 --> 00:20:07.839