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Speaker 1: All right, a random amount of college football storylines to
Speaker 1: get to today, and no better guest to break it
Speaker 1: down there. I got Matt Brown, the founder and publisher
Speaker 1: of Extra Points and front of the program.
Speaker 2: Matt, Happy Thursday, buddy. How are you doing?
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm doing great. It's always a pleasure to spend
Speaker 3: a little bit of time here with you.
Speaker 2: I appreciate the time. Appreciate the time.
Speaker 1: So the CFP has approved a new seating model for
Speaker 1: next season.
Speaker 2: Am I wrong to say?
Speaker 1: This appears to be something that is just so basic
Speaker 1: that I don't know why they did this all along.
Speaker 3: I get I get why they did it. I mean,
Speaker 3: we've had the NFL had postseason formats where preferential seating
Speaker 3: was given to people that won divisions, and then other
Speaker 3: professional leagues have done it before. Honestly, I wish they
Speaker 3: hadn't done it, just because I think this is a
Speaker 3: little bit of an overreaction to Arizona State and Boise
Speaker 3: State last year. But I don't think I don't think
Speaker 3: fans are going to complain. It's probably not good news
Speaker 3: for the Big Twelve, but it should lead to more
Speaker 3: equally matched early postseason games for next season.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean not to just draw a parallel, because sometimes
Speaker 1: it's an exercise and futility to say, well, basketball does this,
Speaker 1: so football should do it. Football does it, so basketball
Speaker 1: should do it. But it's not like the NCAA tournament
Speaker 1: is seated based.
Speaker 2: Off of conference champs or what have you. Like.
Speaker 1: It just seems in my pea brain that the best
Speaker 1: team should get the highest seats, is all I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now that I think about it, I don't think
Speaker 3: any other NCAA championship event does guaranteed seating for conference
Speaker 3: champions It's either done by net or pair wise or
Speaker 3: RPI or anything else. I mean, this isn't clean inc
Speaker 3: double event. But if you want to make things standard.
Speaker 3: That does make sense, all right.
Speaker 1: So let's stay in this space for a moment, because
Speaker 1: the other conversation that is out there is what twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six will look like, and you know, expanding to
Speaker 1: sixteen teams seems.
Speaker 2: To be inevitable.
Speaker 1: But then there's the conversation about four auto bids for
Speaker 1: the SEC, four auto bids for the Big ten, two
Speaker 1: for the Big twelve, two for the ACC, one for
Speaker 1: Group of six, and then three at large bids.
Speaker 2: That's kind of been bandied about.
Speaker 1: There's a little bit of pushback going on, as you
Speaker 1: would expect, So give me your thoughts on this and
Speaker 1: how you think we land well.
Speaker 3: I mean, my personal thought is I hate it.
Speaker 2: I hate it. I hate it.
Speaker 3: I think that the part of this is again a
Speaker 3: dramatic overreaction to the results from one season. This was
Speaker 3: I think a major problem that college football had with
Speaker 3: the BCS. Or you would set a formula, it would work,
Speaker 3: it would work out one way. We all decided we
Speaker 3: didn't like that, so we'd immediately change the formula and
Speaker 3: then things would You never had enough consistency or ability
Speaker 3: to make a real data and form decision. It's also
Speaker 3: a money grab and and not to sound you know,
Speaker 3: hysterically hyperbolic, but I think, I think this proposal is
Speaker 3: almost anti American and how it completely removes meritocracy and
Speaker 3: it is built to lock in advantages from a couple
Speaker 3: of these other largest institutions. And honestly, the biggest obstacle
Speaker 3: to us moving toward to a world with automatic bids
Speaker 3: is not so much the Big twelve or the a CEC,
Speaker 3: who I don't think can meaningfully stop this given the
Speaker 3: voting control. It's it's going to be Congress, and it's
Speaker 3: going to be politicians because of enough lawmakers and enough
Speaker 3: you know, politically influential people who are tied to Big
Speaker 3: twelve or ACC or G six interests are able to
Speaker 3: waive you know, you know, uh raised concerns about anti trust.
Speaker 3: Then I could I could see an outside entity forbidding
Speaker 3: this sort of thing from happening, and that was that
Speaker 3: was you know, Cody Campbell, the the Texas tech billionaire
Speaker 3: and who was going to co chair the White House
Speaker 3: College Sports Commission until that got postponed, has raised concerns
Speaker 3: about this. Outside of the government doing something, It's difficult
Speaker 3: for me to imagine this unique and to put back
Speaker 3: in the puddle, which is good news if you're a
Speaker 3: fan of fifth place SEC teams, probably less good news
Speaker 3: if you like anybody else.
Speaker 1: All Right, Matt, we're gonna need you to walk us
Speaker 1: through this because it has been a chaotic back and
Speaker 1: forth with some legislators and lawmakers on the state level
Speaker 1: passing some bills kind of quietly, quite frankly that would
Speaker 1: allow their schools to circumvent rules put in place by
Speaker 1: the House first NCAA settlement, And now it looks like
Speaker 1: there's legislation on the table or.
Speaker 2: A contract that would bind schools to the new enforcement rules.
Speaker 1: And require them to waive the right to sue over
Speaker 1: decisions despite the state legislation. I just want the damn settlement, dude,
Speaker 1: so I can understand where we're at.
Speaker 2: So the time is yours. Walk us through this what's
Speaker 2: going on here.
Speaker 3: So the bad news is, and I've written about this
Speaker 3: a little bit, is that I don't think any of
Speaker 3: this matters regardless of what Judge Wilkin does in the
Speaker 3: next thirty six hours, regardless of what state lawmakers do,
Speaker 3: because either Judge will can approves the thing before you know,
Speaker 3: I log off and close my computer on Friday, and
Speaker 3: then we have the next lawsuit two weeks later, or
Speaker 3: she doesn't approve it and the SCLA changes some rules,
Speaker 3: and then we have another lawsuit. You can have, you
Speaker 3: can have the college Sports Commission or whatever you want
Speaker 3: to call this, this new group ask tell schools you
Speaker 3: got to sign, you got to wage your right to sue,
Speaker 3: You got to agree to this other forum for or
Speaker 3: I'll kick you out. You can make them sign that,
Speaker 3: but someone can still sue and say it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: That contract's unenforceable. This is unconstitutional, this is illegal. And
Speaker 3: the only way that you have clarity is, well, let's
Speaker 3: let's see what some judges think. Let's see what the
Speaker 3: federal government decides to do. Let's see how some parts
Speaker 3: of this settlement are tested in court or in Congress.
Speaker 3: So all that's frustrating, because I know you're sick of
Speaker 3: talking about it. Candidly, I'm a little bit sick of
Speaker 3: writing about it. Most of the ads and coaches and
Speaker 3: presidents that I talked to are tired of having somebody
Speaker 3: from something completely outside of their universe dictate things to
Speaker 3: them unseemingly our arbitrary bases. But that's the reality. It's
Speaker 3: not just Tennessee that's passed one of these loss. Oregon
Speaker 3: has done it too. There's others that are considering it.
Speaker 3: And we won't know how enforceable any of this house
Speaker 3: stuff is until somebody who isn't Judge Wilkin takes the
Speaker 3: look at.
Speaker 2: It good insgrations.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to reduce it even more, be reductive
Speaker 1: even more. When are you expecting the settlement to be passed?
Speaker 1: When are you expecting this to actually go down?
Speaker 3: I'm expecting an update from the judge before the end
Speaker 3: of this week, before the holiday weekend. It's been two weeks.
Speaker 3: All of the motions have been filed, all the PaperWorks
Speaker 3: on our desk. I've actually posted in a couple of
Speaker 3: meetings that I've had because a lot of these things
Speaker 3: end up happening late in the afternoon specific time. But
Speaker 3: it would not shock me if it's four thirty specific
Speaker 3: time and all of the other national reporters are two
Speaker 3: beers deeps heading into a three day weekend and then
Speaker 3: suddenly we all have to run to our desks and
Speaker 3: write something. Even though I think functionally whatever happens with
Speaker 3: this case doesn't actually matter.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's dig into that, though, because I think most
Speaker 1: people have been waiting for this case to be settled
Speaker 1: in order to understand the landscape of what college football,
Speaker 1: specifically in college athletics as a whole, will look like.
Speaker 1: So tell me, and you already alluded to this with
Speaker 1: your previous answer, let's unpack it a little bit more so.
Speaker 1: If I'm understanding correctly, you're expecting the settlement, then you're
Speaker 1: expecting lawsuits, and you're expecting lawsuits against the lawsuits and
Speaker 1: appeals and like so, So how does this end?
Speaker 2: How does this ball of yarn unwined?
Speaker 3: It ends in one of three ways? Right, It ends
Speaker 3: because the federal government, through Congress or even potentially executive action.
Speaker 3: I guess if the balance of powers doesn't really matter anymore.
Speaker 3: But but somebody in Washington, d c. Passes a law
Speaker 3: to create clarity clarity meeting and anti trust exemption clarity meeting.
Speaker 3: We're throwing out the settlement clarity to end the legal
Speaker 3: exposure or limit it one way or another's that's one option.
Speaker 3: Option two is the federal government doesn't do anything, and
Speaker 3: this just plays out two courts, and courts will either
Speaker 3: affirm the settlement and establish some kind of precedence in
Speaker 3: the NCAA will be able to enforce some of these
Speaker 3: NIL restrictions, or they won't, or the case goes to
Speaker 3: trial in case the whole thing, the whole sediment completely
Speaker 3: blows up, and then we have another three years of
Speaker 3: kind of kind of navigating about this. The third would
Speaker 3: be the settlement gets torn up and another one is proposed,
Speaker 3: which is which is the least likely thing. I know,
Speaker 3: it's frustrating. What's gonna happen in two and a half
Speaker 3: weeks three weeks. Is that one way or another, administrators
Speaker 3: at Utah and BYU and Utah State are going to
Speaker 3: make preparations to pay college athletes directly. Either it will
Speaker 3: be under the terms of the House settlement, which will
Speaker 3: you know, will probably be executed and not stayed under appeal,
Speaker 3: or the thing gets blown up and they're going to
Speaker 3: pay people anyway, and the NCAA is just going to
Speaker 3: change their rules, just like they did over NIL in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. I would love to not think about
Speaker 3: this anymore, but I do not think the legal realities
Speaker 3: are going to allow me.
Speaker 1: To do anything else, which brings us to another situation.
Speaker 2: I need your help here.
Speaker 1: So the Presidential Commission on College Sports, President Trump has
Speaker 1: I guess, at one point decided this was a good idea.
Speaker 1: The Kedy Campbell, businessman from Texas is involved.
Speaker 3: In.
Speaker 1: My understanding is they had started to look at recommendations
Speaker 1: for membership.
Speaker 2: Of course, the story.
Speaker 1: That they spoke with Nick Saban about it advisor role
Speaker 1: is out there, and then I guess today they're pausing it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if this is like another
Speaker 1: like we're gonna tear if everybody and then wait, we're not,
Speaker 1: like what exactly is going on here?
Speaker 3: So I mean, we can't we can't rule that out. Really,
Speaker 3: like I think, not to be partisan, but one thing
Speaker 3: that's been pretty true of this particular administration, there's a
Speaker 3: little bit of a ready fire aim approach to a
Speaker 3: lot of things. What happened was the Trump White House
Speaker 3: decided first by leaking to the Wall Street Journal what
Speaker 3: they were considering a college Sports Executive Order and then
Speaker 3: creating this commission. They didn't tell anybody about that until
Speaker 3: until they decided let's let's all systems go. And many
Speaker 3: of the issues that Senator Tuberville is concerned with and
Speaker 3: Saban's concerned with that, Campbell is concerned with and many
Speaker 3: lawmakers are the exact issues that are trying to be
Speaker 3: resolved in Congress, and the point person for that. The
Speaker 3: most likely bill to pass is Ted Cruz, who's been
Speaker 3: negotiating for six months with Senator Moran out of the
Speaker 3: Republican out of Kansas, Corey Booker, Democrat from New Jersey.
Speaker 3: I think I think Blumenthal and Kune Senator from from
Speaker 3: from Delaware, and I've seen part of this bill. I've
Speaker 3: talked to staffers in a couple of those different Senate
Speaker 3: offices and Senate committees and their goal and then you know,
Speaker 3: Cruise's people and and Kuon's people have said, yeah, we
Speaker 3: think this can get bipartisan support to finally get get
Speaker 3: something through. Whether it gets sixty votes or fifty six
Speaker 3: or fifty eight, you know, we don't know, but it's
Speaker 3: something like that that contracts of support. And I think
Speaker 3: what's happened here, you know, based on the phone calls
Speaker 3: I've made today, is two things. One, big money from
Speaker 3: the big ten in the SEC and their lobbying efforts
Speaker 3: have kind of gotten into Trump's ear and said, hey,
Speaker 3: Cody Campbell wants some stuff here that we don't watch,
Speaker 3: and maybe we don't want him to have as much influence,
Speaker 3: namely potentially curtailing the Big ten in the SEC's overwhelming influence.
Speaker 3: Not good if you're a Texas tech fan. The other
Speaker 3: thing is, it's going to be much harder for Ted
Speaker 3: Cruz to get six Democrats or any Democrats to support
Speaker 3: something if President Trump is out in front of it.
Speaker 3: The smaller role that he plays, given how politically readio
Speaker 3: active he is right now, the easier it's going to
Speaker 3: be to find a couple of Democrats to get this
Speaker 3: thing over the line. So what I believe is happening
Speaker 3: here is a bunch of other people have gotten to
Speaker 3: the President and they're like, no, actually, it makes more
Speaker 3: sense to defer to Ted. Let's give him a few
Speaker 3: more weeks. Let's see what Judge Wilkin does, and then
Speaker 3: we'll go back to this commission. Because there are issues
Speaker 3: that the President is concerned about and Senator Trumberville are
Speaker 3: concerned about that don't have anything to do with NIL,
Speaker 3: and those might be something that is addressed by an
Speaker 3: executive order commission independent of this bill.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of having any Edd in my
Speaker 1: bag just so I can pop a couple of advil
Speaker 1: or something here.
Speaker 3: I know it's the thing that every sports fan is
Speaker 3: really excited about in late Nay, It's like I can't
Speaker 3: wait to talk about Ted Cruz, but this, this is
Speaker 3: the reality.
Speaker 1: Well, ultimately, do you foresee this commission essentially at some
Speaker 1: point existing permanently. I mean the bypart is the nature
Speaker 1: of what has to happen here doesn't seem to be possible.
Speaker 2: And I'm no political.
Speaker 1: Expert, but I keep track of it because I'm a
Speaker 1: human who lives in the United States of America, and
Speaker 1: with all the things that seem to be a little
Speaker 1: bit more important on the table, with our leaders in
Speaker 1: charge unable to come together from pretty basic things, do
Speaker 1: you think this is something that actually will exist when
Speaker 1: the dust settles?
Speaker 3: I do, actually, And I think an interesting question is
Speaker 3: going to be what does this commission ultimately end up studying?
Speaker 3: One thing that I've written about and supported for a
Speaker 3: couple of years, as have other athletes. Activists have pushed
Speaker 3: for a commission to study the Olympic movement, just like
Speaker 3: we had in the late seventies. Right if whether it's
Speaker 3: the House settlement or revenue sharing or nil. All these
Speaker 3: other things are changing the ability for smaller schools to
Speaker 3: sponsor Olympic sports. I mean, just a few hours ago,
Speaker 3: I think Steven F. Austin just dropped four. I have
Speaker 3: a story about all of this coming out tomorrow. It
Speaker 3: makes sense for national experts in business and military and
Speaker 3: athletics to figure out how are we going to fund
Speaker 3: elite athlete development? That would that would absolutely be something
Speaker 3: that would be the purview of a college sports commission.
Speaker 3: I think that would be a good idea. There are issues,
Speaker 3: and I know this because I've talked to Republican staffers
Speaker 3: and lawmakers who have asked my opinion about some college
Speaker 3: sports reform. Like I know that there are the lawmakers
Speaker 3: who are concerned about the number of international athletes who
Speaker 3: are competing right now at the highest level, and are
Speaker 3: they taking spots of American athletes? Obviously, you know, a
Speaker 3: very animating issue among servatives is the potential participation of
Speaker 3: transgender athletes in women's sports, and and how can that
Speaker 3: be limited or curtailed or eliminated. Even more, there's a
Speaker 3: reform of Title nine. These are all things that are
Speaker 3: not going to be in the TED Cruz Bill that
Speaker 3: are not about nil, not about athlete compensation, but are
Speaker 3: important to Republican politicians and could be a part of
Speaker 3: a commission. So could the reform of the of the
Speaker 3: Sports Broadcasting Act, which would you know, which is what
Speaker 3: prohibits the NFL from you know, playing games on Saturdays
Speaker 3: in October. That could have changes. So all of this
Speaker 3: is possible. The difficult thing for good or for ill,
Speaker 3: love the guy or hate him. President Trump's unpredictable and
Speaker 3: at a lot of his actions depend on who got
Speaker 3: in his ear last or what he saw on TV
Speaker 3: at ten o'clock at night. And if I could predict
Speaker 3: exactly what he's going to do sixty days from now,
Speaker 3: my newsletter would be much much more expensive.
Speaker 1: All Right, one more thing here than there is a
Speaker 1: local story involving Eyu's quarterback I wanted to ask you about,
Speaker 1: and you know it's a very sensitive things, so if
Speaker 1: you don't have much on it, we can quickly move on.
Speaker 1: But and I know I revisit this with you quite
Speaker 1: a bit. But of course, the conversations about the Big
Speaker 1: ten and the SEC wielding the power that they do
Speaker 1: in the half of the auto.
Speaker 2: Bids, and the sixteen sixteen team CFP.
Speaker 1: At one point it felt like we were high speed ahead,
Speaker 1: and honestly, part of me feels like we should do this,
Speaker 1: but of course there are so many pieces of red
Speaker 1: tape and legal jargon and anti trust this, and the
Speaker 1: courts have to settle that that are Are we still
Speaker 1: moving into a situation where you do think at some
Speaker 1: point there will be.
Speaker 2: Two power conferences?
Speaker 1: Or have we just settled into like college football is
Speaker 1: what it is right now and we're just going to
Speaker 1: continue to traverse these legal spaces until we actually land
Speaker 1: on something that is either these two conferences or is
Speaker 1: it just this now in perpetuity for a while.
Speaker 3: I would not bet on this in perpetuity for anything.
Speaker 3: Right this is an era of seismic change, and we're
Speaker 3: not done with that seismic change. It would not surprise
Speaker 3: me if we are moving towards the world where we
Speaker 3: have a separation between the Big Ten and the SEC,
Speaker 3: or for that matter, potentially a separation that's even smaller
Speaker 3: than that, a separation of thirty two or forty elite
Speaker 3: college programs or brands, most of which are in the
Speaker 3: Big Ten and SEC. But maybe that doesn't include Northwestern
Speaker 3: maybe that doesn't include Rutgers or Vanderbilt, or for building
Speaker 3: a new super league. We could be moving to a
Speaker 3: world with that separation of sixty five teams and maybe
Speaker 3: includes a bunch of Big twelve institutions. We could be
Speaker 3: moving towards the world where that is halted because of
Speaker 3: new anti trust enforcement or new federal legislation, or what
Speaker 3: happens with private equity. It's a terrible sports radio answer
Speaker 3: to say that you're not sure exactly where it's going
Speaker 3: to go. I do know what the current status quo
Speaker 3: is untenable financially, legally, morally, and politically. I think how
Speaker 3: this sport is configured and looks in four years will
Speaker 3: look very different how it is now.
Speaker 1: All right, man, before it set you loose. About ten
Speaker 1: minutes before we cracked the mic yesterday to do.
Speaker 2: The show, the Salt Lake Tribune has.
Speaker 1: Reported it's a civil case has been filed in Salt
Speaker 1: Lake County alleging that BYU quarterback Jake Rhetz laugh raped
Speaker 1: and strangled his accuser in November of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: It's a bad look all around. It's a bad look
Speaker 1: for the Provo Police department. Jake's attorney, BYU and the
Speaker 1: Provo PD have all released their own statements.
Speaker 2: This is not a criminal charge. It is a civil charge.
Speaker 1: And now we kind of wait, it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: been unfortunate, you know the deal. I mean, college football
Speaker 1: fans are why you and I have a job. But
Speaker 1: this puts a mirror in front of people, and then
Speaker 1: you know, you see YOUTE fans doing victory lapse, you
Speaker 1: see BYU fans victim shaming.
Speaker 2: It's been a.
Speaker 1: Rough twenty four hours or so in the new cycle
Speaker 1: out this way. I don't even really know what to
Speaker 1: ask you because ultimately it is such a sensitive situation
Speaker 1: that really shouldn't have a lot to do with football.
Speaker 1: But Jake is a starting quarterback at BYU. So what's
Speaker 1: your reaction to this? And you know, BYU, how do
Speaker 1: you think they proceed?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the most important thing to me after
Speaker 3: reading that story is that I hope for the safety
Speaker 3: of Jane Doe, and I hope that Jane Doe is
Speaker 3: able to uh to obtain justice whatever the facts of
Speaker 3: this ultimately and and end up being like that that thing.
Speaker 3: I think that's the most important thing for anybody that's
Speaker 3: reporting and an incident like this, right, I would also say,
Speaker 3: just for the benefit of news consumers in regardless of
Speaker 3: what college football you know, fandom you come from. I
Speaker 3: say this as somebody who doesn't you know, isn't gonna
Speaker 3: ride or die for any of these places. But it's
Speaker 3: just been reporting on this for a while. The initially
Speaker 3: the facts of the case, as reported by a complaint
Speaker 3: and by what police initially say right right after this
Speaker 3: are not always what actually happened. I hate to say this,
Speaker 3: but police lie and and in fact, you know, not
Speaker 3: irregularly about things that might make them look bad.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Sometimes the the complaints is not always accurate either. So
Speaker 3: the I think the difficult thing is to tell people
Speaker 3: you have to let this play out and not immediately
Speaker 3: seize upon what what what you read within the first
Speaker 3: twelve hours, as as the gospel truth. The third thing
Speaker 3: to think about, which is unique in this particular situation
Speaker 3: and be right because it's it's not criminal, is you know,
Speaker 3: b YU has A has a different standard of conduct
Speaker 3: for athletes, and somebody could be innocent of any criminal
Speaker 3: wrongdoing and still very clearly violate the standards that they
Speaker 3: signed up for to represent this particular program. And that
Speaker 3: doesn't violate someone's due process. Brother, you don't have due
Speaker 3: process the same way that we might with the courts,
Speaker 3: with with the Honor Code. I'm not telling anybody what
Speaker 3: to do. I'm I'm, I am, I am simply like
Speaker 3: preparing fans for for for what that might mean. You
Speaker 3: can be, you know, innocent of criminal charges and still
Speaker 3: be in violation of the Honor Code. Beyond you know,
Speaker 3: the things could be interpreted like they were in twenty twelve,
Speaker 3: they could be interpreted like they were in nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 3: They could be a completely new interpretation. I have no idea.
Speaker 3: I hope everyone is safe, and I hope justice has served.
Speaker 2: Well, said Matt. Where can people go at your work?
Speaker 3: You can find my work at extra Points mb dot com.
Speaker 3: I have a story coming out tomorrow on why mid
Speaker 3: majors are dropping sports and why one in the West
Speaker 3: is adding them and hopes to add even more over
Speaker 3: the next eighteen months. We're going to have some more
Speaker 3: analysis of what's happening in Washington with college athletics over
Speaker 3: the next couple of days, and then some other reporting
Speaker 3: on the business of college athletics to drop in the
Speaker 3: near future as well. Can also find me on Twitter
Speaker 3: at Matt Brown EP.
Speaker 1: Thank you, my friend. You always expand my intellectual horizons.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm interviewing a professor. Have a great
Speaker 1: Memorial Day weekend. Love to get you back on soon.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right YouTube, Be well and safe, everybody, all.
Speaker 2: Right, the Great Matt Brown.
Speaker 1: Extra Points is the college football newsletter, and he's a
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Speaker 2: Sometimes I just feel like I'm tread and water to
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