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<v Speaker 1>You see, something's going to happen. What what's going to happen?

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<v Speaker 1>What you help?

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the Occult Rejects in this episode, I got

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of the rejects with us tonight. I got

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<v Speaker 2>Lisa the Occult reject, Jena Ninja and what is going on?

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<v Speaker 3>Yo? Boss? What's up?

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<v Speaker 4>So I'll just shout out that, thank you Nick so

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<v Speaker 4>much for bringing me on and Lisa and JJ and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm really excited to meet Heidi for the first time,

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<v Speaker 4>even though we've sort of like been in parallel circles,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll say for a while. So uh, and Nick and

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<v Speaker 4>Robbie just had an episode drop on my show, so

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<v Speaker 4>everybody check that out. Threshold Saints bucka be Knock Part

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<v Speaker 4>two really awesome, really hoppy dot Nick and Robbie wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to do and like a series on my show.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, awesome, Oh, thank you, thank you for inviting me.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I think I invited myself. Actually it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>fucked up, but yeah, no it was. I'm always down

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<v Speaker 2>for a story time with Robbie, so I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>be there, and thank you very much. JJ Vance. What

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<v Speaker 2>is going on, my man? How are you today? Sir Nick?

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<v Speaker 5>Greeting, Sir, appreciate the invite.

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<v Speaker 6>Host of Operation GCD JJ Vance always always happy to

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<v Speaker 6>join you for a panel here on the Ecal Rejects.

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<v Speaker 5>Lisa Great, great to join you as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Jen.

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<v Speaker 5>Always looking forward to a conversation. And Hi, great to

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<v Speaker 5>meet you.

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<v Speaker 6>I've listened to some of your work on other podcasts.

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<v Speaker 6>As a former former Mormon myself, for the first twenty

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<v Speaker 6>years of my life, I had a deep interest in

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<v Speaker 6>the church and in their activities for many years. In fact,

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<v Speaker 6>Nick and I met over the topic of the occult

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<v Speaker 6>aspects of Jessic Smith.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome, love, I'm glad you joined.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's right. It was about women.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, now I'm looking forward to it now.

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<v Speaker 6>It was almost two years ago I reached out the

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<v Speaker 6>Nick ky, do you want to do a podcast about

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<v Speaker 6>some of Cold Justice Smith stuff? And then two years

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<v Speaker 6>later it's the first time where I'm talking more stuff

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<v Speaker 6>with Nick. So now I'm looking forward to the conversation here.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome, awesome, Yeah, thank you very much for jumping on

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<v Speaker 2>JJ and UH. Before we move on to the special guest,

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<v Speaker 2>Just in case you have not checked it out yet,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a reminder to go check out a Cult

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<v Speaker 2>Research Institute dot org. That is our website, in case

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<v Speaker 2>you did not know that we have one, Go there

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<v Speaker 2>and check it out as a whole bunch of different

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<v Speaker 2>people that have a bunch of different things to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>On that all right, and now on to Heidi. Heidi,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you very much for coming back on fad you

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<v Speaker 2>want in the past, but it has been a while,

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<v Speaker 2>so please let all the new listeners know what your

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<v Speaker 2>deal is and where they can find your amazing work.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome. Thank you for having me. I'm always happy to

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<v Speaker 1>do shows with you. Nick, I'm happy to meet everybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for having me on. And I am Heidi

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<v Speaker 1>love at the Unfiltered and I do lots of different

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<v Speaker 1>topics kind of little rabbit holes everywhere, but my main

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<v Speaker 1>thing is is I am an ex Mormon, I was

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<v Speaker 1>raised Mormon. I'm living Utah, not the best place to

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<v Speaker 1>live as an ex Mormon, but you know, families all here,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're all still in so that's that's my deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome, thank you very much. And I will include everybody's

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<v Speaker 2>links in the bottom. So Heidi, I know that you

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<v Speaker 2>were telling me that we'll be talking about Mormonism, CIA sassinations,

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<v Speaker 2>and all sorts of crazy stuff. So I guess, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess maybe before we get into it, actually got you,

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<v Speaker 2>like into going down this rabbit hole.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been okay. So I started looking at some strange phenomena,

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<v Speaker 1>especially talking to well, listening to your show, then having

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<v Speaker 1>Justin on right and always looking at things and and

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<v Speaker 1>looking at Mormons per se, and somebody brought up Howard Hughes.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not a JFK person really before now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so kny deep it's not even funny. But I just

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<v Speaker 1>was always like, yeah, I look into it. They killed him, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe they're dumb story, that's for sure. But

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize there was so much a at hand

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<v Speaker 1>like it is, it is a huge rabbit hole in itself.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the Mormons kept showing up randomly. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>why are these Mormons showing up randomly? Like? And so

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<v Speaker 1>I kept looking into it further and found out, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a whole lot of things that have to pertain

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<v Speaker 1>with that, especially where Howard Hughes is concerned. And Howard's

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<v Speaker 1>fun deep dive on himself, So Howard's weird. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna what got me into it. And now I've

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<v Speaker 1>got about I would say four shows that I do

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<v Speaker 1>that totally pertain to this, but like, wow, we separated them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like we did the Seance of the Nine, we did

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<v Speaker 1>Howard Hughes and the Mormon Mafia, and then there's Permanent

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<v Speaker 1>X and RFK and the whole Andrea Puharovich that I

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about. And then we have kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>tie together because it goes to aliens. And I've never

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<v Speaker 1>been an alien girl, but I was just like, what

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<v Speaker 1>is happening? What is going on here?

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<v Speaker 2>That's one thing I do want to stop. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>something I'm very excited about. It won't be in this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean, I've been talking about this probably since

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<v Speaker 2>I started the podcast, The Council of Nine and you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, the Saants of Nine. It is amazing how

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<v Speaker 2>this actually ties into that. When you said that to

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<v Speaker 2>me earlier, it was like, holy fuck, this is awesome,

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<v Speaker 2>cause it is like a very weird it's a very

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<v Speaker 2>weird thing, and I've never really heard people really talk

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<v Speaker 1>I Peter Lavenda nailed my mind in this whole thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and he knows so much about so much with things

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<v Speaker 1>like as far as if you want to get books

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<v Speaker 1>for deep dives, like I definitely recommend his books and

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<v Speaker 1>Age of Secrets, which is going to be on here.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's John Myers aspect of everything we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about today. But I've read a bunch of books.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm still, like I said, I'm so far deep

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<v Speaker 1>in the rabbit hole now that it's gotten weird. But

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<v Speaker 1>and it gets into space, and it's really pertinent with

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<v Speaker 1>today where they're gonna open up the JFK files and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, President Trump's obsessed with space stuff. And it

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<v Speaker 1>all kind of goes back together, Like every single time

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<v Speaker 1>I'm researching some little tiny topic, I'm like, why are

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<v Speaker 1>the Mormons having Warner von Braun in their theological Mormon movie?

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<v Speaker 1>What is happening? Why is all this going on?

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<v Speaker 3>So?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's been fun. It's it gets weird.

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<v Speaker 2>I know for sure, especially if it ends some of

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<v Speaker 2>the things you're talking about. It, God, it has to

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<v Speaker 2>get weird, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>It got weird. I brought slides because as a good

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<v Speaker 1>Mormon girl for many years. I know they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>sam full of crap. So yeah, you know, so I

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<v Speaker 1>can bring those up.

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<v Speaker 2>If you are right, awesome, Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, cool, Well that seems like strange bedfellows.

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<v Speaker 6>There were Nazis and Mormonism, but I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>those two ideologies very much go hand in hand with

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<v Speaker 6>some strong white white nationalism ideologies.

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<v Speaker 1>O A hundred percent. Yes, I think you're right on.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they backed each other because they have commonalities, right, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>can you guys see that?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, I'll pull it up now. Okay, if I

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<v Speaker 2>remember correctly, maybe Alicia you might remember about it. Was

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<v Speaker 2>Justin like pointing towards that stuff Nazis and Mormons already

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<v Speaker 2>in the series. Probably me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think Justin kind of talked a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about it in the Rotary Club episode, because when I

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<v Speaker 1>talked to him about it, we both agree that George A. Smith,

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<v Speaker 1>very the first one, very in the pocket of politicians,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had his face plastered on Time magazine, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was a little you know, hat tip

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<v Speaker 1>to like, hey, I'm playing ball. You know, he was

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<v Speaker 1>a Rotarian. He was an ivy leaguer. He was a banker.

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<v Speaker 1>Like things started changing when he took over, and he

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<v Speaker 1>did send aid to the Nazis after the war. He

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<v Speaker 1>that was just because if you look it up, it'll

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<v Speaker 1>say no, he didn't. But he did send it to

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<v Speaker 1>the German people that were Mormons. Yeah, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's a fun little Yeah, justin knows what's up.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish he'd I wish he'd come back and chat more,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's busy. Now I've tried.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he didn't. At least it didn't. That get me,

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<v Speaker 2>and you saw to try to like look into Nazian

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<v Speaker 7>To reiterate what Heim said was that we started off

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<v Speaker 7>with the Mormons and the Rotary Club. And in his

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<v Speaker 7>discussion he was naming certain people and naming certain locations

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<v Speaker 7>like Chicago, South America, Mexico, certain areas in Germany. And

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<v Speaker 7>when he started saying all this, we had asked him,

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<v Speaker 7>is there any Nazi connection? You know? Because of these dates,

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<v Speaker 7>these actual establishments, the actual cities. These cities are tie

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<v Speaker 1>And so he had.

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<v Speaker 7>Said, you know what, I don't know, let me look,

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<v Speaker 7>and then the second episode he comes back and says, yes,

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<v Speaker 7>y'all were right, there is a Nazi connection here it goes.

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<v Speaker 7>And then from that episode and please justin correct me

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<v Speaker 7>if I'm wrong, if you're listening, is that from that connection?

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<v Speaker 7>We had asked, is there a CIA connection, because all

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<v Speaker 7>of a sudden they were in areas or locales of Mexico,

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<v Speaker 7>Central America, South America where most of these operations by

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<v Speaker 7>black ops CIA. What have you were going on? And

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<v Speaker 7>he's like, I don't know, let me look, and then

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<v Speaker 7>comes back and says, sure enough, there is CIA connections.

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<v Speaker 7>And that's kind of about where he stopped in terms

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<v Speaker 7>of that. Of course, his the breath of his actual

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<v Speaker 7>research was much more extensive than that, you know, but

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<v Speaker 7>those were connections that were made on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I would even say for people who gives you

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<v Speaker 2>a new listener and you haven't heard that series and

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<v Speaker 2>you're interested in that stuff, definitely go check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that is very detailed and like Lisa was saying,

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<v Speaker 2>he's got everything.

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<v Speaker 7>Honestly, he has timelines and shows a lot of you know,

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<v Speaker 7>you can go back.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very thoroughbvery in depth.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like timeline's and newspaper articles and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, he's very good at that. I wished he'd

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<v Speaker 1>come back on the scene. I think Justin's a really

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<v Speaker 1>great researcher in person. So yeah, I agree. I actually

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<v Speaker 1>heard him first on your show, so I listen to

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<v Speaker 1>that whole thing quickly.

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<v Speaker 7>He reviewed on the Occult Rejects. I don't think he

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<v Speaker 2>Hattie, Nick, Oh, yeah, that's right. I think we might have.

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<v Speaker 7>I think he debuted on our show. And if I

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<v Speaker 7>I don't think he ever did a show with anyone else,

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<v Speaker 7>did he He.

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<v Speaker 1>Did just with me, only with me. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if he did anybody else's, but we did two or

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<v Speaker 1>three together. Okay, great, Oh that's just because I asked.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't hold on to guests some people too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, of course both Mormon go forward to ex

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I did want to ask at least because I

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you thank anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of course, so Vegas is there would be no

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<v Speaker 1>first permanent settlement in Las Vegas was in a Mormon settlement.

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<v Speaker 1>Mormons built the first permanent settlement there in eighteen fifty five.

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<v Speaker 1>But they quickly found out it was a lot harder

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<v Speaker 1>think it was you know, Brigham was nothing if not

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<v Speaker 1>you know, for travelers. So he was thinking, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>like this would be good to have an outpost there,

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<v Speaker 1>but quickly they decided they would abandon this by eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty seven. So it is still there. It is standing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's toward the old part of Las Vegas Boulevard. So

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<v Speaker 1>check it out. But yeah, it's there, and the Mormons

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<v Speaker 1>kind of, you know, hung onto that until we get

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<v Speaker 1>to another person, not just the Mormons, but Howard Hughes right,

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<v Speaker 1>that helped with Vegas. There would be not a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of things if not for Howard Hughes. But Vegas was

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<v Speaker 1>definitely one of his babies. And to understand anything about Howard,

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<v Speaker 1>we kind of have to go backwards in life. This

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<v Speaker 1>is Howard and his mom and Howard was. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly believe he was a Munchausen by proxy child.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he was sick a lot as a child.

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<v Speaker 1>His mom did some really weird stuff. She would like

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<v Speaker 1>and inspect his body daily. I mean, it was her

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<v Speaker 1>not going to diagnose her, but from the descriptions of things,

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<v Speaker 1>it was pretty severe. She was it got weird, like

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<v Speaker 1>showers and stuff like. I don't think he was fully abused,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't think it was quite right what was

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<v Speaker 1>going on there. So it will lead to what happens

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<v Speaker 1>to Howard in the future, which is the only reason

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<v Speaker 1>why I bring it up, So either by genetics or

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<v Speaker 1>by what was happening. So yeah, it definitely affected him.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you know, during Howard Hughes's teenage years, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people don't discuss it, but he actually was

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<v Speaker 1>one of the first people to ever make a motorized bicycle.

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<v Speaker 1>He has a huge IQ. I think is i Q's

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<v Speaker 1>one fifty eight. It's higher than Elon's. I remember that

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<v Speaker 1>because when I was looking them up, I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's mad about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Uhh.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the house he grew up in and his dad.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, his mom came from a pretty nice family,

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<v Speaker 1>but his dad was more rough and tough. He did

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<v Speaker 1>try to become an attorney, and he was successful at

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<v Speaker 1>passing the bar, originally from Iowa, but then settled down

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<v Speaker 1>in Texas and loved the oil rigging business and he

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<v Speaker 1>you know, made this drill bit that made him quiet

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<v Speaker 1>the fortune and he started a company of his own,

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<v Speaker 1>which unfortunately, his mom passed away of an ectopic pregnancy

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<v Speaker 1>after his dad had already passed away, and so they

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<v Speaker 1>both passed away like quick, within a year or two

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<v Speaker 1>of each other. So he ended up with all of

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<v Speaker 1>the money from that. And those that don't know Howard

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<v Speaker 1>he was pretty successful and almost all the adventures he

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<v Speaker 1>started out and not at first, if not at first,

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<v Speaker 1>he was at the end and he quickly was interested

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<v Speaker 1>in making movies. And there was another parallel there. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>with his movie making time, you know, Joe Kennedy was

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<v Speaker 1>making movies at the same time. I found that really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting because of the connections that we're going to get

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<v Speaker 1>to later, and I often wonder if there was more

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<v Speaker 1>of a relationship there than what they say. But regardless,

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<v Speaker 1>by the time he hits Vegas, he's got quite a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money, you know, and he ends up here,

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<v Speaker 1>and his first little bit in town was kind of odd.

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<v Speaker 1>He came and he leased a five room cottage near

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<v Speaker 1>the Desert Inn at first, and it was called the Greenhouse.

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<v Speaker 1>And he lived there for one year, and he left

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<v Speaker 1>and ordered it never to be changed. Probably now even

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<v Speaker 1>it would be the same if he was still alive.

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<v Speaker 1>He never went back to it. He refused to ever

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<v Speaker 1>go back there ever again, but he wanted it kept

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<v Speaker 1>exactly like perfectly how it was. And then the next

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<v Speaker 1>time he ends up there, he actually goes to the

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<v Speaker 1>Desert Inn and it got weird. Howard is weird at

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<v Speaker 1>this point. In nineteen sixty seven, he rented out the

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<v Speaker 1>top floor and he was walking around naked doing whatever

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted. He wouldn't come out of his room. His

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<v Speaker 1>curtains rotted because they wouldn't let the maids in all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of stuff, and finally they were like, hey, you

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<v Speaker 1>got to get out of here, man, and he was like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to buy it. You leave. So they did,

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<v Speaker 1>they left, and he bought it. And so he buys

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<v Speaker 1>this hotel and he thinks, you know what, I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like this. You know, maybe I'll start owning hotels, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just throw all those little pictures and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>of Howard in because maybe some of the younger people

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<v Speaker 1>don't know who Howard is. Without Howard used, we wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have most of the error, like all of the space

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<v Speaker 1>and satellites and aircraft and all of these huge industry

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<v Speaker 1>things that have been developed underneath his name. And then

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<v Speaker 1>even goes further than that at a later point. He's

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<v Speaker 1>actually cousin to the right brothers. And you know he

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<v Speaker 1>was a pilot in his own right. He did stunts

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<v Speaker 1>well I don't know why that's repeating, Sorry, he did

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<v Speaker 1>stunts sometimes on his own movies that they wouldn't do.

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<v Speaker 1>But also we know he got her pretty badly in Rex,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I guess he just didn't care anymore. So

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<v Speaker 1>the whole point is is Howard's pretty pretty odd. And

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<v Speaker 1>one thing that Howard really liked was kind of that

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<v Speaker 1>clean cut facade on the outside. Now that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't have his own demons on the inside, because

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<v Speaker 1>he did have neurosyphilis and it was affecting his brain.

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<v Speaker 1>They always bring up the OCD, and you know he's

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<v Speaker 1>rich and eccentric, but you know, they don't bring up

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<v Speaker 1>the neural syphalis. And so that was happening. He was married,

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<v Speaker 1>and at this point is where he meets somebody called

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<v Speaker 1>Mayhew because he's worried about his wife. Well, okay, he

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<v Speaker 1>wants to hire somebody to check out her stuff because

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<v Speaker 1>he thinks, okay, she's cheating on him and whatnot. Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>when you only spend twenty minutes a day with your wife,

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<v Speaker 1>you have her come in the room, stare at her,

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<v Speaker 1>and have her leave. I mean, do I blame the girl?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. And so yeah, he ends up meeting

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<v Speaker 1>somebody that he wants to have them check out this

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<v Speaker 1>wife of his because he's like, hey, I think she's

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<v Speaker 1>cheating on me. I need you to check her out.

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<v Speaker 1>You run your own PI business and incomes mister Mayhew.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you talk about Robert Mayhew. He is like

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<v Speaker 1>a huge player in this whole game, and he is

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<v Speaker 1>part quote unquote of the Mormon mafia. But also he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't Mormon. It was just kind of what got coined

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<v Speaker 1>to them. Most of them were Mormons, but mayhe happen

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<v Speaker 1>not to be. He actually is the person they did

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<v Speaker 1>Mission Impossible after his life. He wasn't a Mormon. He

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<v Speaker 1>ends up the chief execus to Nevada operations for Howard Hughes.

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<v Speaker 1>So he just was there to do this private investigation

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<v Speaker 1>for him and ends up on the very top of

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<v Speaker 1>his businesses, which often happens with Howard, and needless to say,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of gave up on the investigation. Him and his

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<v Speaker 1>wife get divorced, and this guy kind of pops into

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<v Speaker 1>his life and taking charge pretty much of most of

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<v Speaker 1>his corporations and whatnot. At this point, he is a

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<v Speaker 1>former spy. He has delivered lots of politicians and even Nixon,

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<v Speaker 1>helped a ton on Watergate, all kinds of different stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>He worked with Nixon in nineteen fifty four against Onnassas

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<v Speaker 1>and the King of Saudi Arabia. We get into the

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<v Speaker 1>Bay of Pigs and it's a whole big thing. But

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<v Speaker 1>he is definitely, you know, one hundred percent in at

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<v Speaker 1>taking care of things, if you get my drift. And

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<v Speaker 1>he was also in on a CIA level with the Mob. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so Sam g and Conna, Johnny Roselli. He's a part

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<v Speaker 1>of all this stuff. And so he has these connections

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<v Speaker 1>because Howard wants to buy more hotels, well who owns

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<v Speaker 1>them at the time. The Mob for the most part,

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<v Speaker 1>so Bob is pretty interesting, but he doesn't like Mormons.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's another there's a group of people around Howard

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<v Speaker 1>and he is only one of the group and it

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<v Speaker 1>ends up being kind of a big war I guess

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<v Speaker 1>internally for them. But at that point he had the

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<v Speaker 1>upper hand and he is, like I said, known to

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<v Speaker 1>have basically been part of helping with the Bay of Pigs,

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<v Speaker 1>and like nineteen forty one he was hired by the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI for the Committee of Intelligence. He's a Nazi sympathizer.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy's all over the place, So I mean, when

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about shady people, he's definitely one the next

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<v Speaker 1>person that helps him with the hotel thing, because this

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<v Speaker 1>gets him in the door, foot in the door to

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<v Speaker 1>the mob. But what are you going to do to

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<v Speaker 1>find that's it? Well, okay, you he had money, but

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<v Speaker 1>he knew he wanted many of these things, and so

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<v Speaker 1>he did want to get involved in banking in the area.

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<v Speaker 1>So in comes the Mormons. This is how the Mormons start.

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<v Speaker 1>So E Perry Thomas, he's a critical player here. He

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<v Speaker 1>he is a Mormon Latter day Saint, full blown, and

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<v Speaker 1>he made sure that he did not give mister Hughes

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<v Speaker 1>any hard times when it comes to I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>my fingerprints done, I don't want this done, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want that done. I don't even want to meet the people.

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<v Speaker 1>That shouldn't be a thing. But E. Perry Thomas made

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<v Speaker 1>this happen for him. And he's actually called the Quiet

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<v Speaker 1>king Maker, and he's the first banker to ever lend

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<v Speaker 1>money to the casino operators. And he's changing the rules

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of drive out the regular mob casino type

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<v Speaker 1>stuff so nobody can skim off the top anymore. And

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<v Speaker 1>so he wants to corporatize it, and so does Howard.

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<v Speaker 1>Howard is behind this. He wants to clean up the

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<v Speaker 1>Act of Las Vegas basically, and so he opened the

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<v Speaker 1>Bank of Las Vegas. He had previously been in Salt

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<v Speaker 1>Lake City. It's good. Mormons are right.

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<v Speaker 5>And E.

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<v Speaker 1>Perry Thomas is interesting, you know when you look at

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<v Speaker 1>some of his stuff like this, Steve Wynn was financed

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<v Speaker 1>by the Mormons. Steve Wynn was a big friend to E.

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<v Speaker 1>Perry Thomas. So this goes into nowadays and including George

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<v Speaker 1>Eccles was also really involved with E. Perry Thomas. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you've been to Utah or if you're a Mormon,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that name. You know the eccles are a

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<v Speaker 1>big family for Mormons in Utah. And this is a quote.

419
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<v Speaker 1>It says for George eccyls. George Eccles was kind of

420
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<v Speaker 1>my dad's godfather, said the son of E. Perry Thomas.

421
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<v Speaker 1>So this guy's got his fingers all over different places

422
00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:56.279
<v Speaker 1>and it continues on through life. So he becomes a

423
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<v Speaker 1>big part of the Mormon mafia and as well as Mayhew.

424
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<v Speaker 1>And then we're going to get another player in the game,

425
00:23:04.759 --> 00:23:07.359
<v Speaker 1>and this guy is I think they get better with

426
00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:11.240
<v Speaker 1>each one that I introduce. Honestly, I think that it

427
00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:13.960
<v Speaker 1>gets more and more fun. We'll pull this up so

428
00:23:14.119 --> 00:23:17.599
<v Speaker 1>this is the board that they eventually form because there

429
00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:21.119
<v Speaker 1>becomes many of them and it's called Suma Board and

430
00:23:21.279 --> 00:23:27.039
<v Speaker 1>Suma Corporation. So funny enough, the Summer Corporation under this guy,

431
00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:30.599
<v Speaker 1>his name's Gay. I know it's funny, but that's his name.

432
00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:35.680
<v Speaker 1>And then also with the help of E. Perry Thomas,

433
00:23:35.720 --> 00:23:37.960
<v Speaker 1>who is not on the board but he's very involved,

434
00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:41.440
<v Speaker 1>and Mayhew and all these people, they form this board

435
00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:44.039
<v Speaker 1>to run the Suma Corporation. Do you know what Suma

436
00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:51.160
<v Speaker 1>happens to me? For like a definition? Basically I found

437
00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:53.880
<v Speaker 1>this interesting. I didn't know this one till today, So

438
00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:58.200
<v Speaker 1>if you don't, it means the top. And so you know,

439
00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:02.160
<v Speaker 1>he he does this in multiple places, Like he also

440
00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:06.480
<v Speaker 1>names a future subsidiary that he owns, this big plot

441
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:10.079
<v Speaker 1>of land, Summerlin, Suma. It's like all all very similar,

442
00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:11.799
<v Speaker 1>and it's going to come into play with the Mormons.

443
00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:14.759
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of a wordplay. But you know, they started

444
00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:17.599
<v Speaker 1>their own too, as justin mentioned, they built their own

445
00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:21.720
<v Speaker 1>neighborhood called Mount Olympus. So the top everybody's kind of

446
00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:25.240
<v Speaker 1>referencing to being the top dog, and it's kind of

447
00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:27.799
<v Speaker 1>one of those things with this as well. So we've

448
00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:30.839
<v Speaker 1>got this board where now all these people that like

449
00:24:31.759 --> 00:24:35.119
<v Speaker 1>have known Howard he's surrounding himself. I don't know if

450
00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:38.680
<v Speaker 1>he was feeling, you know, overly weak with his OCD

451
00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:41.880
<v Speaker 1>starting to get worse, but he's starting to surround himself

452
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<v Speaker 1>almost specifically with Mormons at this point other than Mayhew,

453
00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:48.839
<v Speaker 1>and Mayhew and Gay do not get along. They are

454
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<v Speaker 1>not They're not good. And this is the point, like

455
00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:54.519
<v Speaker 1>I said, where he gets taken off his own board,

456
00:24:55.039 --> 00:24:57.720
<v Speaker 1>and these people are basically running his companies. And there

457
00:24:57.720 --> 00:24:59.839
<v Speaker 1>are many of them at this point. They're all underneath

458
00:24:59.839 --> 00:25:02.359
<v Speaker 1>the sh Shell Company, of course, and we'll get into that.

459
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<v Speaker 1>But he's got like Hughes Air West, Hughes Sports, Hughes Helicopters,

460
00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Hugh's Aircraft. He's got the Sands Hotel, the Frontier, Landmark,

461
00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Castaways Hotel, co Desert In Silver, Slipper Casino, Hughes, Nevada Mining, General,

462
00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:23.680
<v Speaker 1>American Oil. That's just a couple. So he's really he's

463
00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:25.920
<v Speaker 1>really got a lot. And he's going to form another

464
00:25:25.960 --> 00:25:28.000
<v Speaker 1>company here soon to kind of try and help with

465
00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:31.759
<v Speaker 1>his taxes. But these people become critical in his life.

466
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<v Speaker 1>And when we talk about the Gays, I find it

467
00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:38.200
<v Speaker 1>funny because before we rolled, JJ was saying, yeah, one

468
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<v Speaker 1>guy we're going to talk about in a minute kind

469
00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:41.680
<v Speaker 1>of slipped out of it. Well, so did this guy.

470
00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:46.559
<v Speaker 1>And Gay is one of I think the least talked

471
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<v Speaker 1>about people. He's passed away now, but he was just

472
00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:53.000
<v Speaker 1>like an errand boy. He shows up on the scene

473
00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:55.480
<v Speaker 1>and he's this errand boy, and then all of a

474
00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:59.720
<v Speaker 1>sudden he's running the company. That doesn't even seem like

475
00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:05.960
<v Speaker 1>but that's what happens. And he transformed the Hughes basically

476
00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:11.599
<v Speaker 1>into a Mormon corporation. He started hiring almost exclusively Mormons.

477
00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:15.880
<v Speaker 1>He took over all the operations that were in Silicon Valley,

478
00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:19.799
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of stuff. So he's big deal later and

479
00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:22.359
<v Speaker 1>even to this day. In fact, if you guys watch

480
00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:28.079
<v Speaker 1>Desperate Housewives, Heather Gay is his daughter in law. So

481
00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:31.799
<v Speaker 1>this doesn't go away. And these people are worth a

482
00:26:31.880 --> 00:26:34.880
<v Speaker 1>lot of money even to this day. And these were

483
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<v Speaker 1>one of the people that, like I said, we're able

484
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<v Speaker 1>to kind of walk away and just take the money

485
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<v Speaker 1>and run.

486
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<v Speaker 2>Right.

487
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<v Speaker 1>Are you guys seeing all these slides? Okay? Yep, okay, cool,

488
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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I just want to make sure because I

489
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<v Speaker 1>can't see. Yes, But didn't he have a patent or

490
00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:59.440
<v Speaker 1>something on oil oh, yes, his dad actually had a

491
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<v Speaker 1>patent for the only drill bit that could and ask

492
00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:06.799
<v Speaker 1>any question, I can't see, so just interrupt. But he

493
00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:09.480
<v Speaker 1>had the only patent for a drill bit that could

494
00:27:09.519 --> 00:27:12.720
<v Speaker 1>bust through rock so that they could deep oil drill.

495
00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:17.200
<v Speaker 1>And so it changed the whole like dynamic of mining basically.

496
00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:21.160
<v Speaker 1>And it was funny because his dad actually was really smart.

497
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:24.480
<v Speaker 1>He also went to Rice and he was engineer mined

498
00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:27.160
<v Speaker 1>as well, even though he ended up being an attorney.

499
00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:32.200
<v Speaker 1>But he took this and went like to a bar.

500
00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:34.440
<v Speaker 1>He had like some guy meet him there, and he

501
00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:36.359
<v Speaker 1>like took his idea and paid him one hundred and

502
00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:39.160
<v Speaker 1>fifty dollars and made a lot of money off of it.

503
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:42.200
<v Speaker 1>I think fifty five billion is what they said. So

504
00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:45.920
<v Speaker 1>when it went to Howard, and I mean, that's an

505
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:49.440
<v Speaker 1>astronomical amount of money back then, you know. And so

506
00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Howard's got all this money, he can do whatever he wants.

507
00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:54.599
<v Speaker 1>He's super smart. He can just you know, kind of

508
00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:57.559
<v Speaker 1>run the world with it, and he definitely did, but

509
00:27:57.680 --> 00:28:01.000
<v Speaker 1>he was definitely infiltrated with people all along the way

510
00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:05.279
<v Speaker 1>that he trusted, and it turns into a big problem

511
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:09.519
<v Speaker 1>for him. So, like I said, you know, Gay ends

512
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:12.200
<v Speaker 1>up running the show. And let me show a picture

513
00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:16.519
<v Speaker 1>of Gay just so you guys know what he looks like.

514
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:19.920
<v Speaker 1>This is him. He's passed away, like I said, he

515
00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:24.279
<v Speaker 1>actually ran that. He ended up after Howard passed away,

516
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:29.119
<v Speaker 1>taking over Howard Hughes Medical Institute, which is what he formed.

517
00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:31.920
<v Speaker 1>They formed this to basically get out of taxes free,

518
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:34.240
<v Speaker 1>and Nixon was the one that pushed it through. The

519
00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:37.359
<v Speaker 1>IRS said no, you can't do that. You can't put

520
00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:39.680
<v Speaker 1>all your companies under that. We're not going to say

521
00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:43.559
<v Speaker 1>that's okay, but you know they were using his companies

522
00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:47.039
<v Speaker 1>for the helicopters, specifically for the CIA at this point.

523
00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:50.000
<v Speaker 1>And funny enough, all these people that I've mentioned to

524
00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:53.839
<v Speaker 1>you so far, they've all been affiliated one way or another.

525
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:57.680
<v Speaker 1>So e Perry Thomas, even though he's this banker all

526
00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:00.359
<v Speaker 1>that stuff there, he also and this is not a

527
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:04.039
<v Speaker 1>well known fact, he was World War Two trained paratrooper

528
00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:07.359
<v Speaker 1>skier that they would drop into units in Europe. And

529
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:11.680
<v Speaker 1>so he's made. And then we've got Gay ends up

530
00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:15.720
<v Speaker 1>being an associated make and then May Hughes made on

531
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:19.839
<v Speaker 1>both sides of it with FBI and CIA. So you know,

532
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:21.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that was on purpose or not,

533
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:25.359
<v Speaker 1>because Howard hughes a sketchy in himself, and you know,

534
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:28.839
<v Speaker 1>he kept his mouth shut. So it's kind of interesting

535
00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:32.400
<v Speaker 1>with that connection, because we're going to talk about that next.

536
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:37.200
<v Speaker 1>So in true James Bond fashion, he gets involved with

537
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:40.960
<v Speaker 1>this and this is a glomar explorer and this is

538
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:45.039
<v Speaker 1>called the Azorian Project. And they say, now, I'll tell

539
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:47.039
<v Speaker 1>you what they say and what I think is going

540
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:49.640
<v Speaker 1>on here. They say that this is to retrieve a

541
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:52.799
<v Speaker 1>submarine that they're going to pull off the bottom of

542
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.000
<v Speaker 1>the ocean floor, and that this is a CIA operation

543
00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:59.799
<v Speaker 1>and that they needed Howard's help. I don't think it's that.

544
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:05.640
<v Speaker 1>If you look and see what you know Azorian means,

545
00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:10.039
<v Speaker 1>or if you know anything about Atlantis, it's pretty interesting.

546
00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:14.799
<v Speaker 1>And at this point that they did this exploration, supposedly

547
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:17.720
<v Speaker 1>the ocean was like down quite a bit where they

548
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:21.799
<v Speaker 1>could really get down and drill deep into the ocean floor.

549
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:25.400
<v Speaker 1>And I mean not only I, but many people suspect

550
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:29.039
<v Speaker 1>that they were digging for something else and it wasn't

551
00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:32.240
<v Speaker 1>just this retrieval mission, but that's what they say it was.

552
00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:35.799
<v Speaker 7>Hay, was this anywhere location to the Azors? Off of

553
00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:37.000
<v Speaker 7>a Portugal spring.

554
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:40.759
<v Speaker 1>Right, this is what I'm saying. They said that that

555
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:43.279
<v Speaker 1>they didn't. They are saying that this doesn't have anything

556
00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:45.160
<v Speaker 1>to do with it. And this is what the CIA says.

557
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:47.839
<v Speaker 1>They pulled the name out of a file box like

558
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:52.119
<v Speaker 1>a little recipe box. Right, Okay. I don't think that

559
00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:55.240
<v Speaker 1>that's how that this got its name. And with everything

560
00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:59.319
<v Speaker 1>that we know about Mormons and keys and stones and things,

561
00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:02.359
<v Speaker 1>and I mean, I just don't buy it, because if

562
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:04.960
<v Speaker 1>you know anything about Atlantis, and you know anything about

563
00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:07.759
<v Speaker 1>like Edgar Casey and the two y stone and all

564
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:10.720
<v Speaker 1>this stuff, like it really makes you start going, wait

565
00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:14.160
<v Speaker 1>a minute, what exactly do the Mormons know? Because they

566
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:17.279
<v Speaker 1>constantly talk about having the key, the keys, the keys,

567
00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:20.319
<v Speaker 1>the keys, and you know, they'll say it's the keys

568
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:23.920
<v Speaker 1>to the priesthood. I don't believe it is. I think

569
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:28.039
<v Speaker 1>that they have something that is very important, important enough

570
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:30.640
<v Speaker 1>for the Vatican to say, you can be my neighbor,

571
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:33.960
<v Speaker 1>won't you be my neighbor in twenty eighteen and let

572
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:36.519
<v Speaker 1>them build an LDS temple right down the street from them.

573
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:40.920
<v Speaker 1>That has never happened before. And in the photo op

574
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:45.519
<v Speaker 1>he's holding the key of Saint Peter with a Masonic grip.

575
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:48.519
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that was an accident with the prophet

576
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:51.400
<v Speaker 1>doing that, the profit of the LDS Church who's a

577
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:56.920
<v Speaker 1>School and Bones member, So what they were doing, I

578
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:02.519
<v Speaker 1>don't know, but I will say this, there's multiple CIA

579
00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:07.880
<v Speaker 1>things at this time with Howard with Gemstones. There's another

580
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:11.039
<v Speaker 1>file that's called the Gemstone file, which people say is blooney.

581
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:14.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you know, there's facts based around it.

582
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:16.920
<v Speaker 1>They can say the guy was a liar, he's dead,

583
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:20.359
<v Speaker 1>he died really young. I don't know if he was lying.

584
00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:23.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and it goes into Onassis and it really

585
00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:26.960
<v Speaker 1>makes you wonder. I mean, when you start learning all

586
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:30.039
<v Speaker 1>this stuff that goes together, you're like, wait a minute,

587
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:33.960
<v Speaker 1>is this? Why is this why people start dropping like flies? So,

588
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:37.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean, whether Howard Hughes was in the CIA or not,

589
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:40.279
<v Speaker 1>he's definitely surrounded by the CIA and the FBI and

590
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:44.880
<v Speaker 1>totally affiliated in different ways. Like I said, at this point,

591
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:50.720
<v Speaker 1>his helicopter business is exclusively doing CIA and FBI helicopter

592
00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:53.240
<v Speaker 1>rentals and all kinds of stuff. So he's also doing

593
00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:57.480
<v Speaker 1>this Azorian project and all this stuff. So I think

594
00:32:57.559 --> 00:33:00.519
<v Speaker 1>maybe Howard Hughes was probably in the c I a'mself,

595
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:04.200
<v Speaker 1>but I can't prove that, so I can't say I'm sorry.

596
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:05.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna interrupt you really quickly.

597
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:08.880
<v Speaker 1>You're good, No, I can't you so definitely do okay.

598
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:08.839
<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

599
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:12.279
<v Speaker 4>So I think that you said it's something interesting about

600
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:15.200
<v Speaker 4>the keystone. There's I think there's two ways you could

601
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.759
<v Speaker 4>think of it. In maybe an esoteric way is that

602
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:21.400
<v Speaker 4>part of it is like a cipher to understand, like

603
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:23.440
<v Speaker 4>the what we would say in TNTRA is like the

604
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:27.440
<v Speaker 4>primordial words, So whatever those are, it's like a part

605
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:30.839
<v Speaker 4>of the key to deciphering or to deriving them.

606
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:33.720
<v Speaker 3>But then there's also like a very real thing. And

607
00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:35.160
<v Speaker 3>so I am reminded of Robbie.

608
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:37.200
<v Speaker 4>Something Robbie and Nick and I all spoke about it

609
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:40.839
<v Speaker 4>was the mosaic breastplate, sort of like the breastplate of

610
00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:44.599
<v Speaker 4>the priests of Aaron. And so I've often wondered because

611
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:49.279
<v Speaker 4>it's something quite universal you see in like a Himalayan esoterica,

612
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:53.160
<v Speaker 4>a lot in like a lot obviously modern magic. So

613
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:57.160
<v Speaker 4>I just think that maybe it's an arrangement of how

614
00:33:57.200 --> 00:34:02.079
<v Speaker 4>the planets should go, corresponding to their like different directions,

615
00:34:02.119 --> 00:34:06.559
<v Speaker 4>because different texts actually list different sort of arrangements for

616
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:09.719
<v Speaker 4>all of them. So if it was something like a square,

617
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:12.960
<v Speaker 4>like a nine x nine square, and like everybody has

618
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:15.280
<v Speaker 4>like different gemstones because you brought up gemstones. I know

619
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:18.079
<v Speaker 4>that Cecil Rhads was very fond of diamonds, so you

620
00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:21.239
<v Speaker 4>have like a lot of these like very interesting connections

621
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:24.480
<v Speaker 4>with gemstones and sort of like now we all use

622
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:27.239
<v Speaker 4>our phones and that's kind of like, oh yeah, right,

623
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:28.679
<v Speaker 4>mare for sure exactly.

624
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:32.119
<v Speaker 1>So and this I think you're one hundred percent right.

625
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:35.719
<v Speaker 1>This is do you know about this parchment from Joseph.

626
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:38.239
<v Speaker 1>I pulled this up to show you this is a

627
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Smith family parchment. They one hundred percent knew what they

628
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:44.079
<v Speaker 1>were doing as far as Soslomonic magic goes. You are

629
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:47.679
<v Speaker 1>absolutely right, I believe, and this is a totally different

630
00:34:48.039 --> 00:34:51.079
<v Speaker 1>presentation that I do. But I one hundred percent believe

631
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:55.119
<v Speaker 1>that Joseph Smith did the abramellan correctly and found his

632
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:58.920
<v Speaker 1>HDA in Morone. I don't think that it was an angel.

633
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:02.639
<v Speaker 1>I think it was his HGA and you know there's

634
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:04.559
<v Speaker 1>a demonic side to that, and then he dies right

635
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:07.920
<v Speaker 1>after that, so obviously he didn't sell it correctly. Probably,

636
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:10.639
<v Speaker 1>but I mean that's just my hypothesis on it. But

637
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:13.679
<v Speaker 1>these are things that were owned by Joseph Smith and

638
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:17.320
<v Speaker 1>his family, and these are very esoteric in nature. Like absolutely,

639
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:19.440
<v Speaker 1>I think you're correct. I think there's a lot more

640
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:24.079
<v Speaker 1>at play with Mormonism than meets thigh, but I think

641
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:26.119
<v Speaker 1>they try and keep that on the down low, you know.

642
00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:32.320
<v Speaker 1>And so but with the stone, I mean it makes sense,

643
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:34.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, makes totally.

644
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:37.000
<v Speaker 6>Well, Heidi, what are your thoughts on the dagger and

645
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:39.119
<v Speaker 6>the ambulet that this Smith dies exactly?

646
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:43.159
<v Speaker 1>Yes, So with the dagger and all of it, like

647
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:45.800
<v Speaker 1>it has the sigil, it's a Mars dagger, I can

648
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:49.480
<v Speaker 1>pull that back up. Yeah, and so yeah, I think

649
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:51.639
<v Speaker 1>he knew a lot of things. I think he was

650
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:57.440
<v Speaker 1>well trained in witchcraft. His family originally hailed from Salem.

651
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:01.920
<v Speaker 1>His grandpa was involved in the inquisitions, so his great

652
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:04.800
<v Speaker 1>grandpa and also his name was oz A l Like

653
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:07.159
<v Speaker 1>what Christian family do you know that names their kid

654
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:09.679
<v Speaker 1>after a fallen angel? I don't know too many, but

655
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:14.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean it's it's interesting. And this is

656
00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:17.199
<v Speaker 1>the knife that you're speaking of. I mean, when you're

657
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:20.519
<v Speaker 1>talking about the intelligence of Mars too, you're not talking

658
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:23.840
<v Speaker 1>about an angel, that's a that's a demon. They classify

659
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:24.519
<v Speaker 1>it as a demon.

660
00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:25.079
<v Speaker 2>The spirit.

661
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:30.679
<v Speaker 1>I think the demon, yep, intelligence is demon. And so

662
00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:34.199
<v Speaker 1>that that's just interesting to me because you know, like

663
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:36.840
<v Speaker 1>we know with doctor John d they can tell us

664
00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:39.559
<v Speaker 1>anything they want and so and they did, and they

665
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:43.320
<v Speaker 1>do and so they you know, they were pretty nefarious

666
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:46.320
<v Speaker 1>in a lot of ways to d and Joseph and

667
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:48.440
<v Speaker 1>other people as well. I just think that it's not

668
00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:51.400
<v Speaker 1>a there's nothing new under the sun. When people laugh

669
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:54.599
<v Speaker 1>and say Joseph and Brigham talked about people on the

670
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:56.840
<v Speaker 1>sun and on the moon, I'm like, yeah, until you

671
00:36:56.880 --> 00:36:59.639
<v Speaker 1>read Golden Dawn stuff, and then you go, huh, that's

672
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:03.800
<v Speaker 1>not fun anymore, right, I Mean, they knew what they

673
00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:06.079
<v Speaker 1>were talking about. It's just all hidden. And now the

674
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:09.599
<v Speaker 1>church has changed, just like Justin says, you know all

675
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:12.800
<v Speaker 1>the time, it's turned into a corporation and they don't

676
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:15.159
<v Speaker 1>want any more of this woo woo stuff, you know.

677
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:18.880
<v Speaker 1>And this is right during that time where this is happening.

678
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.320
<v Speaker 1>I believe. I think this is intricate in when the

679
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:26.800
<v Speaker 1>Mormon Church is going to switch from you know, a

680
00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:31.159
<v Speaker 1>church with some esoteric still left after the Reformation to

681
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:38.639
<v Speaker 1>basically a corporation and involved in government dealings often, and so.

682
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:38.639
<v Speaker 3>Sorry, heide, you're good.

683
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:40.800
<v Speaker 4>I just want to say one thing really quick, is

684
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:44.599
<v Speaker 4>that there's an idea in sort of like the more

685
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:48.840
<v Speaker 4>mystical esoteric abala like more cabbala that's like looking for

686
00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:52.719
<v Speaker 4>God rather than magic, that if you create a bureaucracy

687
00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:58.400
<v Speaker 4>or corporation that's inherently clipolithic, so it's inherently inverted, it's

688
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:01.280
<v Speaker 4>inherently of you can say the double like, I don't

689
00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:03.920
<v Speaker 4>personally believe in that technology, but I'm just I'm giving

690
00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:07.400
<v Speaker 4>that as like a more easily discernible way to understand.

691
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:12.320
<v Speaker 4>So the idea of creating corporation is magical in and

692
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:15.039
<v Speaker 4>of itself, because even a charter is a treaty, right, Like,

693
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:19.360
<v Speaker 4>there's something very mythritic about that. Yeah, say, the structure,

694
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:23.079
<v Speaker 4>so they're taking out the esoterica, like the something Nick

695
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:26.199
<v Speaker 4>often talks about, right, Like, they take out the esoterica,

696
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:30.119
<v Speaker 4>but the structure around everybody, this corporate structure, you could say,

697
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:32.920
<v Speaker 4>is inherently magical, just right.

698
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:36.360
<v Speaker 1>They definitely did, and I do feel like they are.

699
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:40.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the only problem that I have with magic

700
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:44.880
<v Speaker 1>for people is this even though I'm a Christian and

701
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't practice magic per se, Like I don't do

702
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:51.880
<v Speaker 1>magical spells or things. I don't tell anybody else what

703
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:54.599
<v Speaker 1>they can and cannot do. But I do think this

704
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:59.920
<v Speaker 1>the Mormon Church is inherently left handed because they may

705
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:03.599
<v Speaker 1>people do things that they do not understand, they don't

706
00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:06.400
<v Speaker 1>explain them, and then they harvest that energy. At least

707
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:09.920
<v Speaker 1>that's my opinion. So I don't think it's good at

708
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:11.760
<v Speaker 1>this point. Do I think it started that way? I

709
00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:14.519
<v Speaker 1>have no idea what the real intention for that was.

710
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:18.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. But you know, with the Reformation

711
00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:21.480
<v Speaker 1>and Brigham Young, I think the changes were that they

712
00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:23.719
<v Speaker 1>were going to control that and they did, you know,

713
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:26.039
<v Speaker 1>But I think you're right. I think I think if

714
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:29.280
<v Speaker 1>they were more honest, it would be a better way

715
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:32.760
<v Speaker 1>to be, you know, like, hey, we do this magic stuff.

716
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:34.440
<v Speaker 1>You want to come like sure?

717
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:37.960
<v Speaker 5>So do you think yeah? Do you know?

718
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:40.039
<v Speaker 6>I think that they do this still today, even the

719
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:41.679
<v Speaker 6>corporate version of Mormonism there.

720
00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:43.960
<v Speaker 1>You know they do. Oh but yeah, they lie. They

721
00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:48.000
<v Speaker 1>lie to us all the goyam right, their members that

722
00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:50.880
<v Speaker 1>are there just to do the services that they harness

723
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:53.159
<v Speaker 1>that energy. And at the top level they use it.

724
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:56.320
<v Speaker 1>But those people don't have any idea that they're making

725
00:39:56.360 --> 00:39:58.800
<v Speaker 1>a difference in the ether, because that's the whole point

726
00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:01.719
<v Speaker 1>of doing any kind a ceremony, Like why else would

727
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:05.199
<v Speaker 1>people do it? Because it works? Right? Maybe not all

728
00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:07.599
<v Speaker 1>the time, but I think a fair amount of time

729
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:10.760
<v Speaker 1>these things work. And you know, we may not fully

730
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:14.400
<v Speaker 1>understand it, but I feel like that is so unfair

731
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:18.039
<v Speaker 1>for somebody to not know what a mason is and

732
00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:26.000
<v Speaker 1>b one that. Yeah, and I think it's sad. I think, yeah,

733
00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:29.159
<v Speaker 1>I think that's sad. And the corporatization of it, I

734
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:33.400
<v Speaker 1>don't think changes for their esoteric side. In fact, slowly

735
00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:35.880
<v Speaker 1>but surely, they let out little by little more. You know,

736
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:38.480
<v Speaker 1>the prophet brought out the magic cat. I bout dropped

737
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:41.760
<v Speaker 1>my soda. I was like, whoa, what are we doing

738
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:43.599
<v Speaker 1>over here? Skull moonnes guy?

739
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:45.480
<v Speaker 2>You know you know Heidi. I want to ask you.

740
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:48.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember your story completely from when you first

741
00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:50.599
<v Speaker 2>told it. Did you get married in a Mormon church?

742
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:52.679
<v Speaker 1>Oh? I got married at the temple?

743
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:57.239
<v Speaker 2>Yes, when Carl. When Carl was on and he said

744
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:00.159
<v Speaker 2>he did his marriage at the temple. He said, you

745
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:02.679
<v Speaker 2>started getting near the end, it was blatantly like free

746
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:04.440
<v Speaker 2>mason it, but.

747
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:05.760
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know what a free mason was.

748
00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:08.199
<v Speaker 2>Well that's yeah, see yea. I think it was the

749
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:09.960
<v Speaker 2>same thing for him. He didn't notice until left the

750
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:11.960
<v Speaker 2>fact He's like, oh, wait, that's what all that was, Like,

751
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:14.920
<v Speaker 2>I think it, yeah.

752
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:17.719
<v Speaker 1>And they're they're super weird about it. And actually, I

753
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:21.920
<v Speaker 1>speculate not just masonry, but okay, this is my theory.

754
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Now I do a show on this. I've done a

755
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:26.480
<v Speaker 1>show on this, and I've done a really deep dive

756
00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:29.719
<v Speaker 1>on it. I truly believe there was more than masonry

757
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:32.280
<v Speaker 1>involved with Joseph Smith. I believe he's a Martinist. I

758
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:37.159
<v Speaker 1>believe he's a practicing solomonic magic practitioner that does freemasonry,

759
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:39.760
<v Speaker 1>which is what a martinist is, because they say you

760
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:43.159
<v Speaker 1>can contact a spirit two times a year on the equinox,

761
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:44.719
<v Speaker 1>in the spring in the fall. And when did he

762
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:46.880
<v Speaker 1>get the plates? He got him in the fall equinox.

763
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:50.239
<v Speaker 1>I think he was summoning, and I think he was

764
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:53.800
<v Speaker 1>doing it purposely, because if you listen to the stories

765
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:57.400
<v Speaker 1>that seem ridiculous, like oh, this toad came out and

766
00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:00.639
<v Speaker 1>punched him in the face, right, You're like Oh, my gosh,

767
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:03.480
<v Speaker 1>she's just crazy. That's so funny. That's the first level, right,

768
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:05.440
<v Speaker 1>and then you start learning things and you're like, oh,

769
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:07.760
<v Speaker 1>which is familiars are toads, right, And they tried to

770
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:11.000
<v Speaker 1>change it to a salamander, which is forged by the

771
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:14.000
<v Speaker 1>fire and not burned and really magical and good on

772
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:16.679
<v Speaker 1>the good side of things. And so I think that

773
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:18.639
<v Speaker 1>that was set up. I think a lot of things

774
00:42:18.679 --> 00:42:20.880
<v Speaker 1>were set up to make it look better than it was,

775
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:23.519
<v Speaker 1>or pregame, you know, pregame that because it's going to

776
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:25.760
<v Speaker 1>come out. I think Kafmacot's screwed.

777
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:29.320
<v Speaker 6>Those are some good points, Heidi. What are your thoughts

778
00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:31.440
<v Speaker 6>on the actual origin story then? Do you I mean,

779
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:34.559
<v Speaker 6>as far as the chronological series of events that that

780
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.960
<v Speaker 6>you know, Joseph Smith allegedly followed to start the Woman Church,

781
00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:39.800
<v Speaker 6>do you find any listity in those things.

782
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:43.760
<v Speaker 1>I think the story that they put out is true,

783
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:46.880
<v Speaker 1>that the neighbors and everybody say that he dressed all

784
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:49.599
<v Speaker 1>in black at three o'clock in the morning and was

785
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:52.599
<v Speaker 1>going out and you know, summoning every year, you know,

786
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:54.480
<v Speaker 1>and then his brother died and they dug him up.

787
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:56.320
<v Speaker 1>And there's a news article that I got on that.

788
00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:59.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm like, come on, Yale is only ever

789
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:02.360
<v Speaker 1>sank and one other skull and bones, and it is

790
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:04.840
<v Speaker 1>hearing you taught the university of you taught, and they

791
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:08.039
<v Speaker 1>sent people here to do that that has never been

792
00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:12.119
<v Speaker 1>done before or since. That doesn't make any sense if

793
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:15.039
<v Speaker 1>these people are like, hey, I'm running for my life

794
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:18.199
<v Speaker 1>because I want to be a polygamist. Leave us alone. Hey, President,

795
00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:21.679
<v Speaker 1>can we help you build the railroad? What?

796
00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:22.119
<v Speaker 3>Sure?

797
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:25.000
<v Speaker 6>You were saying there, But it's kind of the same

798
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:26.639
<v Speaker 6>family as there, right when you look at the school

799
00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:28.159
<v Speaker 6>and bones, you got the tasks right.

800
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:31.400
<v Speaker 1>It is it is. That's what I'm saying. It's all related.

801
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:34.360
<v Speaker 1>But people don't know this. I mean, like, if you

802
00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:37.000
<v Speaker 1>told me this ten years well, how long have I

803
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:39.440
<v Speaker 1>been out twenty years ago? I would have been like

804
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:44.000
<v Speaker 1>anti Mormon propaganda, you know, I mean right, like they

805
00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:46.639
<v Speaker 1>keep us saddled in good But yeah, I think it

806
00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:49.679
<v Speaker 1>was a magical system. And I think, you know, they

807
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:52.400
<v Speaker 1>never tell us the little things like when he got

808
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:55.079
<v Speaker 1>sick with typhoid fever that he went to his uncles

809
00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:58.000
<v Speaker 1>in Salem to heal and he was there with his

810
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:01.840
<v Speaker 1>uncle Jesse for a long period of time, I'm like, oh,

811
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:04.119
<v Speaker 1>that makes more sense. I wonder what he taught him

812
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:08.079
<v Speaker 1>or Luman Walters. That's a whole rabbit hole, you know

813
00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:11.519
<v Speaker 1>that nobody goes down and just the fact of Luhman's

814
00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:16.840
<v Speaker 1>name alone light Bringer, like come on, like there's too

815
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:26.039
<v Speaker 1>many you know, right, Yeah, just esoteric presentation of how

816
00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:28.960
<v Speaker 1>what I really think? Yeah, I think it's very esoteric.

817
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:31.679
<v Speaker 1>And do I say that that's terrible in every weight? No,

818
00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:33.960
<v Speaker 1>I just think they need to stop lying to people,

819
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:36.760
<v Speaker 1>because if you're going to teach people some of these things,

820
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:40.719
<v Speaker 1>especially with solomonic magic, that is not something they should

821
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:44.599
<v Speaker 1>just be willy nilly flipping around, you know. Sure, but yeah,

822
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:48.639
<v Speaker 1>they have the sigil of Mammon for the melchiztic simple

823
00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:52.880
<v Speaker 1>It's there's too many funny coincidences at this point for me.

824
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:56.159
<v Speaker 5>But I don't disagree with you there at all.

825
00:44:56.360 --> 00:44:59.400
<v Speaker 6>I often question whether or not really anything changed under

826
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:01.280
<v Speaker 6>this corporate right, you know, I wonder what it was

827
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:05.119
<v Speaker 6>like being a regular, you know, practicing like a Mormon. Yeah,

828
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:08.719
<v Speaker 6>a regular practice, you know, member of the congregation. Because

829
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:12.880
<v Speaker 6>you know, oftentimes today people miss miss uh it's a

830
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:17.519
<v Speaker 6>misperception of the situation relative to polagamy right practice in

831
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:18.280
<v Speaker 6>the upper echelon.

832
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:22.559
<v Speaker 1>It messes it all up. It's because you know, at

833
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:24.400
<v Speaker 1>the end of every single one of these things that

834
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:28.039
<v Speaker 1>we talk about, Okay, let's do parsons. You know, they're

835
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:31.559
<v Speaker 1>out in the desert. They're also offering a sexual magic

836
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:35.360
<v Speaker 1>John d they swap wy have sexual magic, polygamy with

837
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:41.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, Joseph Smith, polygamy with Mohammed also child bride. Like, okay,

838
00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:44.840
<v Speaker 1>you're looking at the payback there. There's always something faustian

839
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:49.119
<v Speaker 1>when you get in with these entities, it seems, and you.

840
00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:52.360
<v Speaker 6>Know, relative just interjectoral quick world to what I was.

841
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:54.039
<v Speaker 6>The point I was getting with the polygamy was in

842
00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:56.360
<v Speaker 6>the in the magic and how it made these things

843
00:45:56.360 --> 00:45:58.440
<v Speaker 6>in my mind, these things still go on today because

844
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:04.360
<v Speaker 6>they've always gone on right, Yeah, by the congregation, it

845
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:06.159
<v Speaker 6>was practiced by the like the upper echelon.

846
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:06.440
<v Speaker 5>It was.

847
00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:08.760
<v Speaker 6>I can't the guy's name is skipping my mind at

848
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:11.320
<v Speaker 6>the moment. He was the mayor of Nauvoo. He got

849
00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:13.400
<v Speaker 6>out in the in the in the general in charge

850
00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:16.400
<v Speaker 6>of the militia, and Smith ousted him. And he's the

851
00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:19.119
<v Speaker 6>one who whistle blue on the uh on the plagamy,

852
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:20.760
<v Speaker 6>but it wasn't when he being you know it was

853
00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:22.559
<v Speaker 6>it was it was very compartmentalized.

854
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:23.320
<v Speaker 5>I guess what I'm getting it.

855
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Obviously it was yeah for sure, y, Yeah, you're right.

856
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:31.159
<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't just polygamy. It was polyamory at that point, honestly,

857
00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Like they want to label it as polygamy and I'm like, uh,

858
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:38.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. And then you start looking at the

859
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:42.760
<v Speaker 1>Oneida like Colt Sex, you know, and you think about

860
00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:44.920
<v Speaker 1>why doesn't Joseph Smith have more kids? And then you

861
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:48.320
<v Speaker 1>think about the tantra type stuff that was happening. I'm like, hah.

862
00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:50.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean the more you learn, the more you know,

863
00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:52.719
<v Speaker 1>and you're just like, oh, well, was that what was

864
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:54.519
<v Speaker 1>going on? Is this you know what I mean? Like,

865
00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:56.400
<v Speaker 1>is that why he doesn't have more kids? Or is

866
00:46:56.440 --> 00:46:59.840
<v Speaker 1>it because they own the DNA site? I don't know,

867
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:04.360
<v Speaker 1>but you know, I just think that, yeah, there's definitely

868
00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:07.079
<v Speaker 1>two different factions. And you know, justin brought up in

869
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:10.239
<v Speaker 1>the Quorum of the Twelve, you know, there's a committee

870
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:13.280
<v Speaker 1>that does the political side of things that doesn't answer

871
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:16.199
<v Speaker 1>to anybody religious, including the prophet. So that tells you

872
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:18.960
<v Speaker 1>everything you need to know. You know the Special Committee.

873
00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:22.800
<v Speaker 1>It's called like the Special something Committee, right, And I'm like, okay,

874
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:25.039
<v Speaker 1>well that tells you. You know, they're not on their

875
00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:30.239
<v Speaker 1>board either're just like Howard Hughes wasn't. So. I just

876
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:35.159
<v Speaker 1>think that if Mormons were more honest at the top level,

877
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:38.039
<v Speaker 1>I think at this point they would have people beaten

878
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:40.559
<v Speaker 1>down their doors if they were like hippy dippy woo

879
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:44.400
<v Speaker 1>woo astrology magic practicing in this day and age, I mean,

880
00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:47.199
<v Speaker 1>people love it. Do Am I going to go do that? No,

881
00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:49.840
<v Speaker 1>it's not my thing, but I think that at least

882
00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:54.480
<v Speaker 1>then people would be honest. I mean, sure, but that's

883
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:56.920
<v Speaker 1>that's my thing. I think you're absolutely I'm not sure

884
00:47:56.960 --> 00:47:58.840
<v Speaker 1>exactly who I'm talking to each time, but it's definitely

885
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:01.079
<v Speaker 1>es certating for sure. You know it?

886
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:02.280
<v Speaker 5>JJ this, JJ.

887
00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Thanks.

888
00:48:03.719 --> 00:48:06.559
<v Speaker 5>I was going to say the X too many Mormon

889
00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:07.880
<v Speaker 5>questions for you I can think of.

890
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:10.639
<v Speaker 6>So in regards to Freemasonry, what what do you think

891
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:12.239
<v Speaker 6>the why do you think they're still hiding that today?

892
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:15.320
<v Speaker 6>I mean, obviously in my opinion, well, I have a

893
00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:18.320
<v Speaker 6>lot of opinions about the origins of Mormonism. I've done

894
00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:21.400
<v Speaker 6>a lot of genealogy work in town town offices in

895
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:24.039
<v Speaker 6>the state of Vermont where I come from, the New England,

896
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:28.239
<v Speaker 6>and I've seen some some some information that suggests that

897
00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:30.840
<v Speaker 6>people requesting or demanding not to be baptized for the

898
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:34.239
<v Speaker 6>dead in their Last one Testament six years prior to.

899
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:38.800
<v Speaker 5>Smith. Smith's alleged creation of Mormonism.

900
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:40.800
<v Speaker 6>But nonetheless, it seems like it grew out of the

901
00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:44.000
<v Speaker 6>anti Freemasonic party there in New York.

902
00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:49.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, he kind of scooped up Morgan's wife there,

903
00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:52.239
<v Speaker 1>So I do think you a part of it.

904
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:54.400
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think he was a part of doing So

905
00:48:54.519 --> 00:48:55.400
<v Speaker 5>was it more accepted then?

906
00:48:55.559 --> 00:48:57.519
<v Speaker 6>Did everyone know then? Even though it grew out of that,

907
00:48:57.960 --> 00:48:59.559
<v Speaker 6>was it was? It seemed like it may even well

908
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:03.599
<v Speaker 6>more well known publicly. I think it was connection.

909
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:06.880
<v Speaker 1>I think it was more well known. But his specific

910
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:10.280
<v Speaker 1>branch I don't think was with the Martinism. You know,

911
00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:13.320
<v Speaker 1>even now Dan Vogel gets on a kick and he's like,

912
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:15.480
<v Speaker 1>it was not Martinism. I'm like, the more you guys

913
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:17.559
<v Speaker 1>do that, the more I'm like, I'm right, I'm right.

914
00:49:18.400 --> 00:49:21.599
<v Speaker 1>And so I just I watched this stuff and I'm like, Okay,

915
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:24.800
<v Speaker 1>it makes more sense if if it was a practitioner

916
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:28.679
<v Speaker 1>of that of Solomonic magic with the masonry, that they

917
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:31.920
<v Speaker 1>would keep it under wraps, right, because then it's I mean,

918
00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:34.480
<v Speaker 1>what happened to the witches in Salem, Like they're not

919
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:36.800
<v Speaker 1>going to like this, and so I think that's a

920
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:38.639
<v Speaker 1>big part of it. But if you look in the

921
00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:41.840
<v Speaker 1>past histories, they were in caves still doing crazy stuff

922
00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:45.159
<v Speaker 1>like they don't talk about that and signey rigged and stuff,

923
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:47.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, like they don't want to get into it,

924
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:51.400
<v Speaker 1>and so they buried their history. They've glossed it over

925
00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:53.480
<v Speaker 1>with a shiny coat of paint, and now they're just

926
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:56.519
<v Speaker 1>like all CIA people. I'm like, that's weird. But that

927
00:49:56.559 --> 00:49:59.280
<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem like how it started, you know. I mean,

928
00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:02.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we can read they say it was a

929
00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:06.440
<v Speaker 1>dumb farm boy, but yet okay, you can't write English,

930
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:12.159
<v Speaker 1>but now you're studying to write Hebrew. Okay. Sure, you know.

931
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:14.880
<v Speaker 1>I think they were just hiding everything, and I think

932
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:17.360
<v Speaker 1>they do that a lot now. I think they're masters

933
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:20.239
<v Speaker 1>of the hidden, for sure. Do I think I think.

934
00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:21.960
<v Speaker 6>All these things still continue today. I don't think they've

935
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:24.119
<v Speaker 6>changed one one bit of their operations.

936
00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:27.480
<v Speaker 1>And it's maybe other than the hiding, yeah, Mark, Yeah, Well, I.

937
00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:28.840
<v Speaker 5>Mean maybe they got better at it, you know what

938
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:32.400
<v Speaker 5>I mean, because you know, the uh, maybe.

939
00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:34.719
<v Speaker 6>Tougher folks to consider that, because they do appear to

940
00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:37.880
<v Speaker 6>be a large corporation today. But it's the same families

941
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:41.679
<v Speaker 6>and it's passed down to you know, in these blood lines,

942
00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:43.920
<v Speaker 6>and I think these are really much family secrets.

943
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:47.760
<v Speaker 1>And and if we get into bloodlines, there's another part

944
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:49.920
<v Speaker 1>of the key, right, because we're going to get into

945
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:52.960
<v Speaker 1>the thirteenth blood line and who do they say it is?

946
00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:55.880
<v Speaker 1>And if you go to certain polygamy sex, right, we

947
00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:59.360
<v Speaker 1>go to the Kingston's. Why do they still enter Mary

948
00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:02.360
<v Speaker 1>they marry to their sisters and brothers and cousins, right,

949
00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Why do they do that because they're keeping their bloodline?

950
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:07.719
<v Speaker 1>Why do they care? Because they say they're the thirteenth

951
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:10.079
<v Speaker 1>bloodline and that they're the blood line of Jesus Christ

952
00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:14.039
<v Speaker 1>And they say that, So, I mean, when you look

953
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:17.039
<v Speaker 1>at some of that stuff, you're like, wait, where did

954
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:17.840
<v Speaker 1>that come from?

955
00:51:18.559 --> 00:51:20.119
<v Speaker 6>I was gonna ask you that same question. I'm not

956
00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:22.559
<v Speaker 6>familiar with that narrative. So the Kingston under the Kingston

957
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:24.440
<v Speaker 6>u NI Kingston clan.

958
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:29.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what they They believe that they are the

959
00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:31.840
<v Speaker 1>actual bloodline of Jesus Christ, and they married their brothers

960
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:34.559
<v Speaker 1>and sisters and they keep try to keep their bloodline pure.

961
00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:36.920
<v Speaker 1>But they're rich enough that now. I mean, they obviously

962
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:39.559
<v Speaker 1>caused a lot of birth defects and everything, so they

963
00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:42.079
<v Speaker 1>got enough money behind them because they're very rich and

964
00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:46.360
<v Speaker 1>they support all these political people, and they decided.

965
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:48.480
<v Speaker 5>Where do they trace that back through the bloodline? Did

966
00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:49.480
<v Speaker 5>Jesus Christ? Do you know what?

967
00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:53.239
<v Speaker 1>The They say that he had a child and.

968
00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:57.239
<v Speaker 6>That sure, so's it's like a templar kind of holy blood,

969
00:51:57.280 --> 00:51:57.960
<v Speaker 6>holy real.

970
00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:02.199
<v Speaker 1>Situation exactly, and that Joe's smith was half tribe of manassa,

971
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:06.239
<v Speaker 1>half tribe of what's the one Ephraim, and that he

972
00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:08.960
<v Speaker 1>was the perfect specimen to bring the two back together.

973
00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:14.039
<v Speaker 1>That's what they say. So I'm like, oh, that's weird.

974
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:16.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I only know certain things that I know

975
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:22.440
<v Speaker 1>because my sister married Warren Jeff's nephew, So oh, okay,

976
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:26.039
<v Speaker 1>so they're divorced now. But he yeah, he's great. Hi, Isaac.

977
00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:30.639
<v Speaker 6>I was actually down the street from the Warren Jeff's compound, inadvertently,

978
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:32.920
<v Speaker 6>completely indvertently, I was. It was a good fellow Air

979
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:35.039
<v Speaker 6>Force base. The day I got raided in the compounds

980
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:36.480
<v Speaker 6>about his.

981
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Kids were there? Yeah, his kids. He was trying to

982
00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:41.440
<v Speaker 1>get his kids at that point because they weren't. He

983
00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:44.039
<v Speaker 1>was out and they wouldn't give him to him because

984
00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:46.920
<v Speaker 1>he's he's in the line of succession. And I'm like, also,

985
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:49.920
<v Speaker 1>if you do genealogy, you know, I'm sure for you.

986
00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:52.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, are you your New England? You're not from

987
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Utah area.

988
00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:56.960
<v Speaker 5>No, I'm only a convert to Mormonism.

989
00:52:57.199 --> 00:53:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so my bloodline, bull, you only go up three

990
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:04.000
<v Speaker 1>and it's all royal people. Why the heck were they here? Why?

991
00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Why why were all these royal people just coming out

992
00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:10.239
<v Speaker 1>here and taking off? You know, I got house, suburban,

993
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:14.840
<v Speaker 1>I got I got who else? With Marie Antoinette and

994
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:19.000
<v Speaker 1>the Orleans I'm like, why did my great great great

995
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:22.079
<v Speaker 1>grandpa just make a town in South Africa and then

996
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:24.000
<v Speaker 1>decide to renounce the throne and come out here and

997
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:25.599
<v Speaker 1>be a weird Mormon and poor?

998
00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:27.880
<v Speaker 5>You know, No, I'm tracking.

999
00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:30.360
<v Speaker 6>I mean, obviously the Mormons got me with genealogy at

1000
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:32.719
<v Speaker 6>a young age. So I've been One thing I discussed

1001
00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:36.039
<v Speaker 6>a lot of is this American history and the families

1002
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:39.960
<v Speaker 6>of which it comes from. You know, and obviously a

1003
00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:41.280
<v Speaker 6>lot of it is very Mormon. But yeah, so in

1004
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:43.679
<v Speaker 6>my history, I actually grew up in a town that

1005
00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:46.360
<v Speaker 6>is deep, deep in the Mormon history, in Vermont, North

1006
00:53:46.599 --> 00:53:46.920
<v Speaker 6>So if you.

1007
00:53:47.960 --> 00:53:50.119
<v Speaker 1>If you were going through that, how many royal lines

1008
00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:52.239
<v Speaker 1>did you find in those Mormons? It's wacko.

1009
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:54.760
<v Speaker 5>Oh, it's it's everywhere. It's everywhere.

1010
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:57.440
<v Speaker 6>Then they all went Mary, I mean, including my family tree.

1011
00:53:57.719 --> 00:54:01.800
<v Speaker 6>You know, so I'm familiar with these these families continue

1012
00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:03.280
<v Speaker 6>to keep it in the family.

1013
00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, and you know some of them still continuing

1014
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:10.159
<v Speaker 1>to try and keep it in the family, which is

1015
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:13.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, Utah should have done something about that.

1016
00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:15.760
<v Speaker 3>But sorry, Heidi, I'm going to jump in.

1017
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:16.960
<v Speaker 1>This is jin That's okay.

1018
00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:19.079
<v Speaker 3>So I hear.

1019
00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:22.719
<v Speaker 4>I understood instantly when you said the like the sex

1020
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:23.639
<v Speaker 4>magic and Tontra.

1021
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:25.760
<v Speaker 3>Why Nick brought me on for this episode.

1022
00:54:26.079 --> 00:54:28.119
<v Speaker 1>Yes he didn't know, but I'm glad you're here.

1023
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:32.440
<v Speaker 3>But we don't you know, we actually don't do that

1024
00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:33.000
<v Speaker 3>in Tontra.

1025
00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:36.800
<v Speaker 4>And you know, like what they what what people think

1026
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:40.639
<v Speaker 4>sex magic or what we would call karmamudra is very

1027
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:43.119
<v Speaker 4>different than the real thing. I've choken a lot about

1028
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:45.599
<v Speaker 4>it with Nick and Lisa, and like how it can

1029
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:47.079
<v Speaker 4>be Maybe I should stual.

1030
00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Say it Faustian. Yeah, maybe I should say they.

1031
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:51.239
<v Speaker 3>Know it's totally okay.

1032
00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:54.639
<v Speaker 4>I just want to I just want to differentiate myself

1033
00:54:54.679 --> 00:54:55.239
<v Speaker 4>from Uh.

1034
00:54:55.360 --> 00:54:58.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't blame you, yes, yeah, but I think.

1035
00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:01.199
<v Speaker 4>Your idea on the mark tism and that he was

1036
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:04.360
<v Speaker 4>contasting his high guardian angel is probably one of the

1037
00:55:04.400 --> 00:55:09.320
<v Speaker 4>more interesting ideas on like his history that I've heard,

1038
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:12.159
<v Speaker 4>simply because like I can accept that, like if he's

1039
00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:14.199
<v Speaker 4>a magician, I can I can totally say stopt that.

1040
00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:16.960
<v Speaker 1>And I wish they'd stopped hiding it. And this is

1041
00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:19.840
<v Speaker 1>the thing, like even we can shelfast and I can

1042
00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:22.760
<v Speaker 1>show you guys some things in my other preson or

1043
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:24.440
<v Speaker 1>we can come back or I don't know how long

1044
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:27.800
<v Speaker 1>we have, but on this one, I'll show you some

1045
00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:33.079
<v Speaker 1>things that are absolutely magical and unexplainable when you look

1046
00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:37.000
<v Speaker 1>at some stuff like this, this is Joseph Smith's king. Well,

1047
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:42.000
<v Speaker 1>we know not all wands are kinges like or little wants.

1048
00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:45.199
<v Speaker 1>Some of them are what staff's right, and this looks

1049
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:47.440
<v Speaker 1>like a staff, and it looks like a serpent, and

1050
00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:49.559
<v Speaker 1>it's got an upside down cross on it, right, here

1051
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:53.000
<v Speaker 1>and if you look at all of this imagery, very Masonic,

1052
00:55:53.719 --> 00:55:55.760
<v Speaker 1>and then you go to this as ahead of it,

1053
00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:59.960
<v Speaker 1>you know this is a serpent staff, that's what it's called.

1054
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:04.760
<v Speaker 1>And it was Joseph Smith. But you know it's obscure

1055
00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:08.960
<v Speaker 1>real quick, yea. And I have two more to show

1056
00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:09.760
<v Speaker 1>you that are similar.

1057
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:13.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that top part almost looks like maybe a play

1058
00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:14.800
<v Speaker 2>on like Hebrew or something else.

1059
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Ye reason. And I'm just telling you guys like it

1060
00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:22.840
<v Speaker 1>doesn't make any sense with the magic part out, because

1061
00:56:24.559 --> 00:56:27.239
<v Speaker 1>that's why Mormons are so confused, because they don't really

1062
00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:29.079
<v Speaker 1>know what's happening. And if you try to tell them

1063
00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:31.400
<v Speaker 1>this stuff, you're black pilling them and just screwing them up.

1064
00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:35.360
<v Speaker 1>But here's another one. This is the knob on this

1065
00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:40.159
<v Speaker 1>coffin k has his hair in it. They dug them up.

1066
00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:43.719
<v Speaker 1>This is real when we get back to wand's okay,

1067
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:47.960
<v Speaker 1>So coffin kins, this is from them. They dug up

1068
00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:52.360
<v Speaker 1>Hiram and Joseph took the rotted body juice wood and

1069
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:55.119
<v Speaker 1>made coffin keans and then cut their hair and put

1070
00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:57.800
<v Speaker 1>it in the top of those knobs. And that's why

1071
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:02.000
<v Speaker 1>I bring pictures because they speak a thousand words. I'm like, wait,

1072
00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:07.599
<v Speaker 1>if you don't understand what that means, you know, it's

1073
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:08.519
<v Speaker 1>kind of important.

1074
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:13.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so they're like a competing Masonic house, but they're not.

1075
00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:16.480
<v Speaker 4>They were kind of anti Mason, as JJ brought up,

1076
00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:18.559
<v Speaker 4>like they kind of started as anti Mason, but maybe

1077
00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:19.079
<v Speaker 4>they were.

1078
00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:21.480
<v Speaker 3>Just a competing faction of magicians.

1079
00:57:21.960 --> 00:57:26.400
<v Speaker 4>Like I think they also sold a competing theory of reality.

1080
00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:29.119
<v Speaker 3>So even though they're like connected.

1081
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:31.719
<v Speaker 4>To this New England like Skull and Bones and they're

1082
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:36.840
<v Speaker 4>those associations with that, they also maybe have like it's

1083
00:57:36.920 --> 00:57:39.400
<v Speaker 4>like it's always a game, right, I think that's something

1084
00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:41.199
<v Speaker 4>that you're touching on a lot of Heidie. It's like

1085
00:57:41.239 --> 00:57:44.360
<v Speaker 4>they like with Howard Hughes, he's like it's always playing

1086
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:46.400
<v Speaker 4>a game, like the Masonic game. Like he's always trying

1087
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:49.480
<v Speaker 4>to get the bigger, better business he's and he's exceeding.

1088
00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:51.719
<v Speaker 4>But it might not just be him. It might be

1089
00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:53.960
<v Speaker 4>he's playing the numbers, he's doing a little of this.

1090
00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:57.639
<v Speaker 4>He's like supported by the Intel. So it's like he's

1091
00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:00.840
<v Speaker 4>kind of created in a way. It's not really it's

1092
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:03.360
<v Speaker 4>not just his like American ingenuity and spirit.

1093
00:58:03.400 --> 00:58:03.880
<v Speaker 3>It's like not.

1094
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:08.039
<v Speaker 1>Only yet well and think of this, like when did

1095
00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:11.719
<v Speaker 1>when did Joseph Smith get killed when he started running

1096
00:58:11.719 --> 00:58:17.519
<v Speaker 1>for president? Like all of these things are are important.

1097
00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:21.199
<v Speaker 1>You know, we have to see when it starts mixing

1098
00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:24.320
<v Speaker 1>with the government and all of this stuff, like when

1099
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:28.880
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about these parchments or the canes or any

1100
00:58:28.920 --> 00:58:32.440
<v Speaker 1>of this. You know, I feel like they're doing such

1101
00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:35.679
<v Speaker 1>a disservice to people by not just telling the truth.

1102
00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:38.079
<v Speaker 1>Because here's another one of those family parchments. Now you

1103
00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:40.760
<v Speaker 1>tell me what's going on, because I know because I've

1104
00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:45.519
<v Speaker 1>researched it a whole lot, and you know, I'm just saying, like,

1105
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:48.280
<v Speaker 1>this particular one is what led me to John D.

1106
00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:50.800
<v Speaker 1>Because it's so obscure that the only other person that

1107
00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:53.679
<v Speaker 1>writes about it is John D. Because it's a Masonic password.

1108
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:57.079
<v Speaker 1>So you know, when you start looking at all this

1109
00:58:57.119 --> 00:58:59.760
<v Speaker 1>stuff and then you know what's on the temple itself,

1110
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:03.840
<v Speaker 1>all the cloudstones and moonstones and pentacles and pentagrams that

1111
00:59:03.880 --> 00:59:08.000
<v Speaker 1>are upside down by the way, you know, I'm just like,

1112
00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:11.440
<v Speaker 1>we'll stop saying you're just about this other like we

1113
00:59:11.559 --> 00:59:14.000
<v Speaker 1>believe in Jesus just like you. And I'm like, well

1114
00:59:14.199 --> 00:59:17.159
<v Speaker 1>to you though, because you call your God eloheme, and

1115
00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:22.159
<v Speaker 1>that's a plural. Sorry. And also the very top top

1116
00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:25.639
<v Speaker 1>blessing in the whole church, if you make it to

1117
00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:29.199
<v Speaker 1>the tippy top, you get it from a woman, and

1118
00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:33.639
<v Speaker 1>that just doesn't work out with their patriarchal society. So

1119
00:59:33.679 --> 00:59:37.119
<v Speaker 1>the Masons didn't like him either, because it's masonry for

1120
00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:37.880
<v Speaker 1>the whole family.

1121
00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:41.000
<v Speaker 6>So sure, no, I mean that's a good point in

1122
00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:42.840
<v Speaker 6>the masony. And back to what I was trying to

1123
00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:44.880
<v Speaker 6>say before about how I think he was more generally

1124
00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:47.800
<v Speaker 6>accepted that Smith was a Mason at the time and whatnot,

1125
00:59:47.800 --> 00:59:50.599
<v Speaker 6>and there was some sort of Masonic feud. The paper

1126
00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:53.039
<v Speaker 6>there in Kartha, Illinois, the day after he was murdered

1127
00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:56.000
<v Speaker 6>in the jail there published you know, the saying he

1128
00:59:56.599 --> 01:00:00.840
<v Speaker 6>was threw up the Mason's grand hailing sign of distress.

1129
01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:03.199
<v Speaker 1>Yes he did, and said is there no help for

1130
01:00:03.239 --> 01:00:05.199
<v Speaker 1>the widow's son? That's the last one part.

1131
01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:07.719
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so that's right on the front page of the paper.

1132
01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:09.639
<v Speaker 6>You know, I think, you know, folks don't really have

1133
01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:11.880
<v Speaker 6>that context today. I think these things are more generally

1134
01:00:11.920 --> 01:00:14.800
<v Speaker 6>accepted back then, And have any sense things become more

1135
01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:15.800
<v Speaker 6>more hidden.

1136
01:00:16.480 --> 01:00:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think they're scrubbing the current redo of the

1137
01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Salty Temple. I bet you when they unveil it, none

1138
01:00:24.559 --> 01:00:27.159
<v Speaker 1>of the stuff will be there. Like there's the Big

1139
01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:31.199
<v Speaker 1>Dipper is on everything, and this is important like an esotericism,

1140
01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:34.519
<v Speaker 1>the Big Dipper is on every single temple. However, Mormons

1141
01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:41.599
<v Speaker 1>are not allowed to study astrology. Okay, cool, right? What? Yeah?

1142
01:00:41.840 --> 01:00:46.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean Joseph was extremely interested in astrology, and there's

1143
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:48.840
<v Speaker 1>excerpts I don't think I have it on here in

1144
01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:52.679
<v Speaker 1>his journal where he was writing astrology. He was super

1145
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:54.519
<v Speaker 1>good at it. Like they want to say he's a

1146
01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:56.960
<v Speaker 1>dumb farm boy. Get out of here, Like, no way,

1147
01:00:57.519 --> 01:00:58.119
<v Speaker 1>the big.

1148
01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:00.679
<v Speaker 3>Is really interesting. Sorry to interrupt you.

1149
01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:04.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mind, that is incredibly interesting, just because it

1150
01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:06.679
<v Speaker 4>goes along with like the series that Nick has been

1151
01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:10.079
<v Speaker 4>doing with Mario from symbolic studies on like the kind

1152
01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:16.320
<v Speaker 4>of the true nor the Hyperborean sort of like Swastika system,

1153
01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:21.239
<v Speaker 4>and I think also astrology. Like I'm not a traditional astrologer,

1154
01:01:21.400 --> 01:01:23.639
<v Speaker 4>like everybody, all the rejects know this. I'm not a

1155
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:27.159
<v Speaker 4>traditional astrologer, but I do know contric astrology, and so

1156
01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:30.960
<v Speaker 4>I can tell you that astro theology not necessarily the

1157
01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:33.760
<v Speaker 4>way it's been presented before, not even the way I present,

1158
01:01:33.880 --> 01:01:36.719
<v Speaker 4>but just in general that is the real, the true

1159
01:01:36.760 --> 01:01:39.480
<v Speaker 4>way to really understand a lot of this. But we

1160
01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:41.480
<v Speaker 4>also don't have to like think of it as like

1161
01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:44.679
<v Speaker 4>star religions. We can also think of it as like

1162
01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:47.320
<v Speaker 4>our self religions, like not that we work with themselves,

1163
01:01:47.320 --> 01:01:49.679
<v Speaker 4>but it's just it's more internal or more conceptual.

1164
01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:53.199
<v Speaker 1>Well, and for Joseph, I think, you know, it's interesting too,

1165
01:01:53.559 --> 01:01:56.480
<v Speaker 1>with the vast knowledge he had. You know, you have

1166
01:01:56.559 --> 01:01:58.960
<v Speaker 1>to look at one more thing. When he became a mason,

1167
01:01:59.400 --> 01:02:03.400
<v Speaker 1>he became a master mason the next day, So he

1168
01:02:03.519 --> 01:02:07.199
<v Speaker 1>rose to all the levels in a day. That doesn't happen,

1169
01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:11.079
<v Speaker 1>first of all, unless you can show some serious stuff.

1170
01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:14.320
<v Speaker 1>And I think he was not dumb. And I think

1171
01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:16.559
<v Speaker 1>he was not a dumb farm boy. And by the way,

1172
01:02:16.679 --> 01:02:19.639
<v Speaker 1>his brother went to Dartmouth. So I think their story

1173
01:02:19.679 --> 01:02:21.599
<v Speaker 1>has got a lot of holes in it, you know,

1174
01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:25.280
<v Speaker 1>I think they were very wise at what they did.

1175
01:02:26.280 --> 01:02:28.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to weigh in one hired or the

1176
01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:32.199
<v Speaker 1>other about like magical practices. I'm just saying as for

1177
01:02:32.519 --> 01:02:35.880
<v Speaker 1>the population here in Utah, my grandma passed out dead.

1178
01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:38.519
<v Speaker 1>If she knew that she was possibly doing magic, like

1179
01:02:39.079 --> 01:02:42.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, it would not go over well, and so

1180
01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:45.199
<v Speaker 1>that's why they quit telling people. I think they just

1181
01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:48.000
<v Speaker 1>want them to do the rituals and they harness that

1182
01:02:48.159 --> 01:02:50.880
<v Speaker 1>energy one hundred percent. And when you look at the

1183
01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:54.639
<v Speaker 1>spires and there's six of them, it's really reminiscent of

1184
01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:57.760
<v Speaker 1>some other things. And I'm just like, hmm, well, I

1185
01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:00.599
<v Speaker 1>just feel like that's really unfair to people when you

1186
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:03.599
<v Speaker 1>use them like cattle, you know. And I'll never shut

1187
01:03:03.679 --> 01:03:05.679
<v Speaker 1>up until the Mormon Church comes clean on their stuff

1188
01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:08.320
<v Speaker 1>and stops doing that, because that's not right. That's not

1189
01:03:08.440 --> 01:03:09.960
<v Speaker 1>right to do to people, you know.

1190
01:03:11.480 --> 01:03:15.360
<v Speaker 7>So, like you said, Heidi, I was gonna I was

1191
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:17.519
<v Speaker 7>gonna interrupt you because I know we're getting in your end,

1192
01:03:18.280 --> 01:03:20.239
<v Speaker 7>and I wanted to insert this in. It's kind of

1193
01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:21.920
<v Speaker 7>a little bit of a tangent, but I wanted to

1194
01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:24.480
<v Speaker 7>ask you. You said Manchurian by proxy?

1195
01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:25.440
<v Speaker 1>Who was that?

1196
01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:28.239
<v Speaker 7>Howard Hughes or Joseph Smith.

1197
01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:33.519
<v Speaker 1>So the Manchurian part was Sir Hans, Sir Han and

1198
01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:34.840
<v Speaker 1>or I'm.

1199
01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:37.320
<v Speaker 7>Sorry, the Malcusian by proxy not Venturian.

1200
01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:43.480
<v Speaker 1>Sorry. Uh, let's see, I'm not sure what I want

1201
01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:43.760
<v Speaker 1>to say.

1202
01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:46.920
<v Speaker 7>You had said it was Howard Hughes. Well regardless, sorry

1203
01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:48.320
<v Speaker 7>you mentioned no, no, no, no.

1204
01:03:48.239 --> 01:03:49.960
<v Speaker 1>That's okay. This is it connects.

1205
01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:56.280
<v Speaker 7>I promise you had mentioned that, and that was an

1206
01:03:56.320 --> 01:03:58.199
<v Speaker 7>episode in the X Files.

1207
01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, this goes the X Files. Yes, yeah, okay.

1208
01:04:02.920 --> 01:04:09.840
<v Speaker 7>So I I hypothesized that the episode of the Kelsari

1209
01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:15.440
<v Speaker 7>was about Howard Hughes and that it was about a

1210
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:20.679
<v Speaker 7>boy who was raised by the Calcarian mystics, and the

1211
01:04:20.719 --> 01:04:25.760
<v Speaker 7>mystics come from Romania, Bulgaria area, and in the episode

1212
01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:31.480
<v Speaker 7>they they basically thought that the children were these Malcarians

1213
01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:34.400
<v Speaker 7>by proxy, and that they were being told that they

1214
01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:36.840
<v Speaker 7>have these things or have these illnesses, and therefore they

1215
01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:37.800
<v Speaker 7>had these illnesses.

1216
01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:41.280
<v Speaker 1>Right. Oh oh I get yeah, his it was Howard

1217
01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:47.920
<v Speaker 1>his mom with Munchausen by proxy. Yes, yes, I was

1218
01:04:47.960 --> 01:04:50.800
<v Speaker 1>trying to think about which which thing, I said, because

1219
01:04:50.800 --> 01:04:53.159
<v Speaker 1>we've been a little no no, no, that's which is fine.

1220
01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:54.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. And then you had.

1221
01:04:54.639 --> 01:04:59.280
<v Speaker 7>Mentioned about the Nazi connection, and in the episode they

1222
01:04:59.360 --> 01:05:03.360
<v Speaker 7>draw the swall on the little boy's hands, so that

1223
01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:06.519
<v Speaker 7>was another connection. And then when you look at the

1224
01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:13.280
<v Speaker 7>al the the Kelsari mystics, they I think the actual

1225
01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:18.039
<v Speaker 7>real worship is but they worship Mars. And I mean

1226
01:05:18.039 --> 01:05:20.039
<v Speaker 7>they say they're Christian, but it's not. It's it's a

1227
01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:22.480
<v Speaker 7>it's a Mars worship. But the other thing is that

1228
01:05:22.519 --> 01:05:25.800
<v Speaker 7>because you said that Howard Hughes had a green room, Uh,

1229
01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:31.960
<v Speaker 7>the elka Azaris have Green Week where they worship on

1230
01:05:32.039 --> 01:05:36.119
<v Speaker 7>a specific week. So I thought it was pretty interesting

1231
01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:38.960
<v Speaker 7>the connections. That's all I wanted to mention is yeah, but.

1232
01:05:40.280 --> 01:05:43.639
<v Speaker 1>That actually plays into the Mormons even more so than Howard.

1233
01:05:44.079 --> 01:05:47.199
<v Speaker 1>Howard rented that space and I think it was already

1234
01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:50.519
<v Speaker 1>done in the green thing, but he had like he

1235
01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:52.679
<v Speaker 1>had spent the week there with his girlfriend or something.

1236
01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:55.559
<v Speaker 1>But I will say this and and this is like,

1237
01:05:55.719 --> 01:05:58.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to get us in trouble though. Let's see,

1238
01:05:58.639 --> 01:06:00.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to. I don't what I can pull

1239
01:06:01.039 --> 01:06:04.199
<v Speaker 1>up here? Well, Nick kim blur, but if not. We

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01:06:04.280 --> 01:06:08.320
<v Speaker 1>made this as a joke for our episode. This is

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01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:11.199
<v Speaker 1>the temple clothing. We did a whole thing on the

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01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:16.159
<v Speaker 1>correlation between this guy and the Mormons and all of

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01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:20.239
<v Speaker 1>the people that were infiltrating into that area. It's very

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01:06:20.280 --> 01:06:25.239
<v Speaker 1>interesting how many people were there, including one of the

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01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:34.239
<v Speaker 1>prophets right here. This is Hebrew j Grant at the

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01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:37.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what I can say. At a dinner

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01:06:37.159 --> 01:06:41.320
<v Speaker 1>for them, and there's a flag there you can see

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01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:45.159
<v Speaker 1>the profit of the church, and you know, they're very racist.

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01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:48.039
<v Speaker 1>And I do believe the White Brotherhood is a very

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01:06:48.039 --> 01:06:50.239
<v Speaker 1>big part of this, and so was Howard Hughes. I

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01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:53.559
<v Speaker 1>do think it's what God JFK killed. A big part

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01:06:53.559 --> 01:06:57.760
<v Speaker 1>of it was that he was, you know, very incorporating

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01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:02.960
<v Speaker 1>black people. And also you know MLK and RFK were

1254
01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:05.679
<v Speaker 1>teaming up there for a minute and then he gets it.

1255
01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:08.519
<v Speaker 1>They both get assassinated. Like I find that very odd.

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01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:12.320
<v Speaker 1>Even when they were trying to push through the Equal

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01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:17.199
<v Speaker 1>rights the Equal Rights hiring Howard he said, no, I

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01:07:17.199 --> 01:07:19.360
<v Speaker 1>don't care, make it go away. I'm not doing it.

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01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:26.199
<v Speaker 1>But the church is very very interesting on race. I

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01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:29.079
<v Speaker 1>will tell you Brigham Young once said that if you

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01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:32.480
<v Speaker 1>found your wife in bed with somebody that was black,

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01:07:32.719 --> 01:07:34.559
<v Speaker 1>that you should run a knife through both of them

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01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:39.199
<v Speaker 1>rather than let them live. So that's it.

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01:07:39.239 --> 01:07:42.119
<v Speaker 5>Was it that goes into the modern or too though,

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01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:44.559
<v Speaker 5>doesn't it. I mean, they didn't let nt thing, they

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01:07:44.679 --> 01:07:48.239
<v Speaker 5>let black folks, especially until seventy eight, right.

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01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, I remember.

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01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:53.000
<v Speaker 6>I grew up with a with one black family, my

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01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:55.599
<v Speaker 6>ward and and the dude just stood up in the back.

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01:07:55.639 --> 01:07:56.519
<v Speaker 5>I remember even just like.

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01:07:56.480 --> 01:07:58.719
<v Speaker 6>It was just such a spectacle as a as a child,

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01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:00.000
<v Speaker 6>like wisest dude.

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01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:02.800
<v Speaker 5>Like they do their seats up here. Yeah.

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01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:05.119
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's exactly what he had been attending the church

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01:08:05.159 --> 01:08:06.920
<v Speaker 6>before he could be a member, you know what I mean.

1276
01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:08.400
<v Speaker 6>And that's what he had to do apparently, was standing

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01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:08.800
<v Speaker 6>in the back.

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01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:14.320
<v Speaker 1>I know this that they did not change their policies

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01:08:14.440 --> 01:08:17.279
<v Speaker 1>until they almost had to write like people were going

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01:08:17.359 --> 01:08:21.279
<v Speaker 1>to stop going. And you know they said this about

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01:08:21.279 --> 01:08:25.279
<v Speaker 1>the black person, that not brown people. No misunderstandings, you guys.

1282
01:08:25.279 --> 01:08:28.800
<v Speaker 1>This was specifically against black people, is that they could

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01:08:28.840 --> 01:08:31.520
<v Speaker 1>only go to heaven, the full heaven, as a servant

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01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:36.600
<v Speaker 1>to the white man. So it gets yucky, you know.

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01:08:36.920 --> 01:08:41.319
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know that that policy really changed a lot.

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01:08:41.479 --> 01:08:44.079
<v Speaker 1>You still, I know the church will like push it

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01:08:44.119 --> 01:08:47.039
<v Speaker 1>and be like, yay, look at this interracial couple we

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01:08:47.119 --> 01:08:50.920
<v Speaker 1>have or whatever on this commercial. But you know, my

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01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:54.720
<v Speaker 1>niece is interracial, and I will tell you it's not

1290
01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:57.319
<v Speaker 1>a happy place to grow up and be in Utah.

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01:08:57.399 --> 01:09:01.279
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so it just listend.

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01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:04.960
<v Speaker 7>One more question do we happen to know the actual

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01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:07.640
<v Speaker 7>lineage of the Hughes by any chance.

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01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:10.840
<v Speaker 1>That I haven't looked into, and that would be interesting.

1295
01:09:10.920 --> 01:09:13.039
<v Speaker 1>I know she was a Dallas debutante and he was

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01:09:13.079 --> 01:09:15.640
<v Speaker 1>from Iowa, so we should I should look into that.

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01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:18.119
<v Speaker 1>I'll have to check them out. So being from Actually.

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01:09:17.840 --> 01:09:19.039
<v Speaker 5>I have not looked at that either. That's a good

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01:09:19.119 --> 01:09:20.319
<v Speaker 5>question I have.

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01:09:20.840 --> 01:09:22.800
<v Speaker 7>Well, you know, growing up in Texas and stuff like that,

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01:09:22.840 --> 01:09:28.680
<v Speaker 7>the Hughes are pretty big around Beaumont, Houston, Harris County,

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01:09:29.239 --> 01:09:32.920
<v Speaker 7>Galveston area or whatever, right, probably because of the oil

1303
01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:36.399
<v Speaker 7>and whatnot. But I want to speculate that I had

1304
01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:42.159
<v Speaker 7>heard that there was a lot of Missouri and what's

1305
01:09:42.159 --> 01:09:45.000
<v Speaker 7>it called Galveston Houston connection. And the reason I say

1306
01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:48.199
<v Speaker 7>that because I don't know when if there was immigration

1307
01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:52.960
<v Speaker 7>or when it happened, but around I believe mid eighteen

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01:09:53.039 --> 01:09:58.079
<v Speaker 7>hundreds you had a huge amount of German immigration into

1309
01:09:58.119 --> 01:10:01.399
<v Speaker 7>Galveston area, and most of them either settled in central

1310
01:10:01.439 --> 01:10:05.840
<v Speaker 7>Texas part of the whole oil boom area, and then

1311
01:10:06.039 --> 01:10:07.680
<v Speaker 7>a lot of them went into Missouri.

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01:10:08.239 --> 01:10:11.439
<v Speaker 1>I wonder I will check into that before we meet again,

1313
01:10:11.520 --> 01:10:14.359
<v Speaker 1>because I would be interested to see where he was

1314
01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:17.520
<v Speaker 1>so weird about it. He was audibly, he did not

1315
01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:21.600
<v Speaker 1>hide it, he did not care, and you know, he

1316
01:10:21.640 --> 01:10:26.039
<v Speaker 1>was pretty unapologetic. And so I think that's going to

1317
01:10:26.039 --> 01:10:29.800
<v Speaker 1>be important because you have to remember, like everybody we're

1318
01:10:29.800 --> 01:10:33.520
<v Speaker 1>putting together in this little picture, eventually, when we get

1319
01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:36.079
<v Speaker 1>to the point where we get towards the end, it'll

1320
01:10:36.079 --> 01:10:39.399
<v Speaker 1>all make sense why they aligned, right, including the Mormon Church,

1321
01:10:39.520 --> 01:10:43.720
<v Speaker 1>because they are bedfellows with people that are similar to them,

1322
01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:46.720
<v Speaker 1>and that's going to be an easy sell, you know,

1323
01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:50.479
<v Speaker 1>and they're also you know, it shows their allegiance with

1324
01:10:50.920 --> 01:10:53.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, if JFK stayed in, things would have been

1325
01:10:54.239 --> 01:10:58.760
<v Speaker 1>more integrated, more rapidly, whereas Nixon was not about that.

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01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:01.840
<v Speaker 1>And that is why Howard Hughes made sure to own him,

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01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:06.399
<v Speaker 1>and he paid him through his brother allegedly, so you know,

1328
01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:09.640
<v Speaker 1>we get into these things, and he had many politicians

1329
01:11:09.680 --> 01:11:12.039
<v Speaker 1>in his pocket. He gave him a loan that he

1330
01:11:12.079 --> 01:11:13.840
<v Speaker 1>didn't have to pay back. So I don't know that

1331
01:11:13.840 --> 01:11:17.760
<v Speaker 1>that's alone. I mean, and when we're talking about even

1332
01:11:17.800 --> 01:11:20.560
<v Speaker 1>the banker, you know, how did the banker get the money?

1333
01:11:20.920 --> 01:11:25.560
<v Speaker 1>He tapped the Teamsters union fund. What well, why is

1334
01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:27.840
<v Speaker 1>this white colored guy doing that? He was the first

1335
01:11:27.880 --> 01:11:32.159
<v Speaker 1>one to ever do it ever. And you know, you're

1336
01:11:32.199 --> 01:11:35.439
<v Speaker 1>looking at these people, all these bedfellows together, and it's

1337
01:11:35.479 --> 01:11:38.520
<v Speaker 1>all ancient history right until it's still going today. Like

1338
01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:41.359
<v Speaker 1>JJ said, I think some are maybe I'm not sure

1339
01:11:42.319 --> 01:11:44.800
<v Speaker 1>who said which one, but somebody said stuff was still

1340
01:11:44.800 --> 01:11:47.920
<v Speaker 1>going today. And I do think that, yes, this stuff

1341
01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:51.920
<v Speaker 1>is all pertinent to clear to today. And so when we

1342
01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:54.920
<v Speaker 1>talk about these people, they all end up later like

1343
01:11:55.119 --> 01:11:59.680
<v Speaker 1>in very prominent positions, you know, and when you get

1344
01:11:59.680 --> 01:12:05.000
<v Speaker 1>into the German episodes like that I've done in the past,

1345
01:12:06.399 --> 01:12:10.840
<v Speaker 1>they were the ones that that started. Okay, so IBM,

1346
01:12:11.359 --> 01:12:15.359
<v Speaker 1>all those cards, all the little race cards that IBM had,

1347
01:12:16.039 --> 01:12:20.279
<v Speaker 1>they actually, huh, they actually were a part of that

1348
01:12:20.640 --> 01:12:25.079
<v Speaker 1>through the Mormon Church, through Howard Hughes is a different company,

1349
01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:28.800
<v Speaker 1>the ones that were uploading everyone's genealogy into that because

1350
01:12:28.840 --> 01:12:31.159
<v Speaker 1>they requested them from the CIA, and I have the

1351
01:12:31.239 --> 01:12:33.479
<v Speaker 1>draft on that. I will find that for next time,

1352
01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:38.000
<v Speaker 1>where the Mormon Church actually put in a foia requests

1353
01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:39.800
<v Speaker 1>for all of those to come to them so that

1354
01:12:39.880 --> 01:12:42.319
<v Speaker 1>they could put them in so that they could have

1355
01:12:42.439 --> 01:12:46.479
<v Speaker 1>them for their giant DNA in the in the side

1356
01:12:46.520 --> 01:12:51.720
<v Speaker 1>of a mountain wall and I do mean wall it's

1357
01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:54.720
<v Speaker 1>no mistake that the NSA is right down the road

1358
01:12:54.800 --> 01:12:57.479
<v Speaker 1>with the FBI and the IRS and the Hill Air

1359
01:12:57.520 --> 01:13:00.479
<v Speaker 1>Force Base and all the other things here. I don't

1360
01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:04.319
<v Speaker 1>think that's a coincidence. And they blew the side of

1361
01:13:04.359 --> 01:13:08.079
<v Speaker 1>a mountain now so that they could house their gigantic

1362
01:13:08.600 --> 01:13:12.039
<v Speaker 1>DNA and they have a Batman cave and nobody can

1363
01:13:12.079 --> 01:13:14.880
<v Speaker 1>go in there, and it's got razor wire and there's

1364
01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:16.640
<v Speaker 1>only one way in, and you can see it's like

1365
01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:19.760
<v Speaker 1>this big, it's super tiny, and they've got like armed

1366
01:13:19.800 --> 01:13:24.439
<v Speaker 1>guards here. Why they're just genealogical records, right, I mean,

1367
01:13:24.880 --> 01:13:28.520
<v Speaker 1>it seems a bit excessive. This is one hallway. This

1368
01:13:28.600 --> 01:13:32.800
<v Speaker 1>looks like an Indiana Jones movie, you know. And the

1369
01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:35.880
<v Speaker 1>thing that I postulate often, and I do a show

1370
01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:38.680
<v Speaker 1>on this, is look at the size of the drawer.

1371
01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:42.000
<v Speaker 1>You're talking about a file. They're not going to be

1372
01:13:42.039 --> 01:13:45.199
<v Speaker 1>tiny like that. But I do know one thing that

1373
01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:49.039
<v Speaker 1>looks just like that. That's a letterbox drawer size of

1374
01:13:49.039 --> 01:13:53.000
<v Speaker 1>a letter, normal letter. And I'm a nurse and I've

1375
01:13:53.039 --> 01:13:56.279
<v Speaker 1>done many a PKU stab from the soul of a

1376
01:13:56.319 --> 01:13:59.640
<v Speaker 1>foot of a newborn, and I've filled out those cards

1377
01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:02.920
<v Speaker 1>so much times and they're just happened to be that size.

1378
01:14:03.119 --> 01:14:05.720
<v Speaker 1>So I'm not saying that they did do anything wrong,

1379
01:14:06.119 --> 01:14:10.079
<v Speaker 1>but they're pretty powerful. And you know, their top holding

1380
01:14:10.119 --> 01:14:13.840
<v Speaker 1>is Microsoft, you know, And funny enough, when all that

1381
01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:16.319
<v Speaker 1>stuff was happening and they were getting all the stuff

1382
01:14:16.359 --> 01:14:19.399
<v Speaker 1>from IBM, Bill Gates's mom was on the board of

1383
01:14:19.439 --> 01:14:22.760
<v Speaker 1>IBM at that time. And not only that, but the

1384
01:14:22.840 --> 01:14:26.159
<v Speaker 1>number one shareholding to this day for the Mormon Church

1385
01:14:26.760 --> 01:14:32.159
<v Speaker 1>is Microsoft. Well that's interesting. So when you know that

1386
01:14:32.319 --> 01:14:36.119
<v Speaker 1>and you put it all together, you're kind of like, huh.

1387
01:14:36.199 --> 01:14:40.600
<v Speaker 1>And it's not just Microsoft, Elon, They've got Tesla, Nvidia,

1388
01:14:40.760 --> 01:14:45.279
<v Speaker 1>it's all of that. But the number one land holding

1389
01:14:45.479 --> 01:14:49.000
<v Speaker 1>for farming now in all of America is Bill Gates,

1390
01:14:49.119 --> 01:14:53.199
<v Speaker 1>but the number two is the LDS Church. So do

1391
01:14:53.279 --> 01:14:56.199
<v Speaker 1>I think they're in bed together? Yeah. I think they're

1392
01:14:56.239 --> 01:14:58.720
<v Speaker 1>a huge part of the nWo. And I don't think

1393
01:14:58.760 --> 01:15:00.960
<v Speaker 1>they really hide it that much. It didn't take me

1394
01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:03.199
<v Speaker 1>too many deep dives to find a lot of stuff.

1395
01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:08.920
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it gets weird. And you know when they

1396
01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:12.159
<v Speaker 1>get into x files and everything that comes up, Tesla

1397
01:15:12.239 --> 01:15:15.000
<v Speaker 1>comes up, van over Bush comes up on here, like

1398
01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:18.680
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of weird areas where you know, you're talking

1399
01:15:18.760 --> 01:15:22.000
<v Speaker 1>about people that handled those files in real life, like

1400
01:15:22.119 --> 01:15:24.960
<v Speaker 1>not the movie. You know, gets weird.

1401
01:15:25.399 --> 01:15:27.720
<v Speaker 7>It's funny you mentioned Vaneran Bush because they say there's

1402
01:15:27.880 --> 01:15:32.520
<v Speaker 7>no connection, but he was very, very heavily involved in

1403
01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:33.760
<v Speaker 7>the Philadelphia experiment.

1404
01:15:33.960 --> 01:15:36.920
<v Speaker 1>So he was the protege of Tesla, and he was

1405
01:15:36.960 --> 01:15:40.760
<v Speaker 1>the first person that they called to go in when

1406
01:15:40.880 --> 01:15:43.319
<v Speaker 1>everything happened with Tesla, and he died to go in

1407
01:15:43.399 --> 01:15:46.600
<v Speaker 1>the apartment like non apartment, hotel room where he was

1408
01:15:46.960 --> 01:15:48.920
<v Speaker 1>because they were all afraid they thought someone was going

1409
01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:51.680
<v Speaker 1>to blow up. But because he was the protege of Tesla,

1410
01:15:52.279 --> 01:15:56.239
<v Speaker 1>then that's why they sent him. And I mean, you

1411
01:15:56.279 --> 01:15:59.720
<v Speaker 1>know that gets into you know, our current president, and

1412
01:15:59.800 --> 01:16:02.840
<v Speaker 1>so does the JFK files where Roy Kohene is on

1413
01:16:02.880 --> 01:16:07.000
<v Speaker 1>the board of perm Index and it's this big giant

1414
01:16:07.119 --> 01:16:11.479
<v Speaker 1>circle where it's literally the Oro Boros, Like I was like,

1415
01:16:11.600 --> 01:16:16.640
<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, yeah, it's all of them. And I

1416
01:16:16.680 --> 01:16:20.399
<v Speaker 1>think that just it's so weird that everybody just kind

1417
01:16:20.399 --> 01:16:24.960
<v Speaker 1>of goes I don't want to deal with that because

1418
01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:28.520
<v Speaker 1>it is weird, you know, But I think the Mormons

1419
01:16:28.560 --> 01:16:31.439
<v Speaker 1>are the nicest people ever, and that gives them kind

1420
01:16:31.439 --> 01:16:34.359
<v Speaker 1>of a, I'm gonna push stop sharing on this so

1421
01:16:34.399 --> 01:16:38.319
<v Speaker 1>we can talk. It kind of gives them the ability

1422
01:16:38.479 --> 01:16:42.039
<v Speaker 1>to sneak around, just like we talked about Bob Bennett.

1423
01:16:42.640 --> 01:16:45.960
<v Speaker 1>It gave him the ability to sneak through because he's

1424
01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:49.720
<v Speaker 1>so nice. Right. They teach them like mk ultra talkie

1425
01:16:49.800 --> 01:16:52.560
<v Speaker 1>talk like it's weird. If you've ever heard their speeches

1426
01:16:52.680 --> 01:16:56.279
<v Speaker 1>or listen to you know, the Mormons talk at church.

1427
01:16:56.600 --> 01:17:01.920
<v Speaker 1>It's see song. It's very it's very programming. And so

1428
01:17:02.720 --> 01:17:05.279
<v Speaker 1>I think that it all fits together. I think that,

1429
01:17:05.640 --> 01:17:09.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, it makes sense. And then when you tell people, no,

1430
01:17:09.319 --> 01:17:11.399
<v Speaker 1>I think the Mormons are behind it too, not just

1431
01:17:11.479 --> 01:17:19.000
<v Speaker 1>the one word. We won't say, you know, we'll see Kazars, Kauzarians. Yeah,

1432
01:17:19.199 --> 01:17:22.720
<v Speaker 1>we'll go that route. Yeah, I'm not going to say

1433
01:17:22.760 --> 01:17:25.720
<v Speaker 1>that one. And so you know, I don't think it's

1434
01:17:25.800 --> 01:17:27.760
<v Speaker 1>just them. I think that they're just the only ones

1435
01:17:27.800 --> 01:17:31.680
<v Speaker 1>out front. You know. And the Mormons slippy too.

1436
01:17:32.319 --> 01:17:35.760
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, they had at least one hundred had at

1437
01:17:35.800 --> 01:17:37.760
<v Speaker 6>least one slush fun with one hundred and twenty million

1438
01:17:37.800 --> 01:17:38.239
<v Speaker 6>dollars in it.

1439
01:17:38.279 --> 01:17:39.640
<v Speaker 5>But I question that's the only one.

1440
01:17:40.439 --> 01:17:42.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I bet there's so many. And when you get

1441
01:17:42.920 --> 01:17:45.960
<v Speaker 1>into people like every time you turn around, like Elon Musk,

1442
01:17:46.239 --> 01:17:49.239
<v Speaker 1>his number one money man is Jared Birchall. And where

1443
01:17:49.239 --> 01:17:51.840
<v Speaker 1>did they meet dig in tunnels at the boring company?

1444
01:17:52.279 --> 01:17:55.760
<v Speaker 1>Like all of this goes so far that I'm like, whoa,

1445
01:17:56.239 --> 01:17:59.199
<v Speaker 1>what is happening? And where did they just dig a

1446
01:17:59.199 --> 01:18:02.279
<v Speaker 1>big tunnel at in Las Vegas? And why so that

1447
01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:05.039
<v Speaker 1>the teslas can go in it and go underneath the traffic?

1448
01:18:05.199 --> 01:18:07.680
<v Speaker 1>My eye, they did not do it for that reason.

1449
01:18:07.960 --> 01:18:13.159
<v Speaker 1>They're looking for stuff. No way, sure, no way.

1450
01:18:13.479 --> 01:18:13.760
<v Speaker 3>Sorry.

1451
01:18:13.800 --> 01:18:15.960
<v Speaker 4>I just want to say something that Lisa brought up

1452
01:18:15.960 --> 01:18:18.840
<v Speaker 4>that you have brought up, Heidi, is that the idea

1453
01:18:18.880 --> 01:18:21.079
<v Speaker 4>of the Mars worship. But there's like the kind of

1454
01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:24.119
<v Speaker 4>like the the and the elohem like that's a name

1455
01:18:24.199 --> 01:18:27.640
<v Speaker 4>for the host of Jupiter. So that's so interesting because

1456
01:18:27.640 --> 01:18:30.760
<v Speaker 4>there's a Mars and Jupiter should always be in dialectical

1457
01:18:30.800 --> 01:18:33.199
<v Speaker 4>relationship with each other. They should always be in synthesis,

1458
01:18:33.199 --> 01:18:35.720
<v Speaker 4>in balance. That's kind of the idea.

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01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:39.560
<v Speaker 1>And so the Jupiter talisman was in Joseph Smith's pocket

1460
01:18:39.560 --> 01:18:40.399
<v Speaker 1>when yes.

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01:18:40.640 --> 01:18:43.239
<v Speaker 4>Yes, I said, I saw from the picture. But then

1462
01:18:43.239 --> 01:18:46.960
<v Speaker 4>he also had the knife of Mars, so I thought

1463
01:18:47.039 --> 01:18:51.199
<v Speaker 4>that's so interesting. So clearly you could use this early

1464
01:18:51.279 --> 01:18:54.600
<v Speaker 4>system of Mormonism as like a magical a real magical

1465
01:18:54.600 --> 01:18:58.720
<v Speaker 4>methodology like do stuff, not just like you know, it's

1466
01:18:58.720 --> 01:19:00.680
<v Speaker 4>not just larp at it. But do you think Heidie

1467
01:19:00.760 --> 01:19:06.239
<v Speaker 4>that that it has degraded because my theory is that

1468
01:19:06.319 --> 01:19:10.000
<v Speaker 4>magical ideas are more, they're more in the world, people

1469
01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:13.000
<v Speaker 4>talk about them much more openly. But then also like

1470
01:19:13.039 --> 01:19:16.119
<v Speaker 4>a lot of the real knowledge, like the real skill.

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01:19:16.520 --> 01:19:18.600
<v Speaker 4>It doesn't take even that much skill, but just even

1472
01:19:18.680 --> 01:19:20.960
<v Speaker 4>the real knowledge of how to do it is like

1473
01:19:21.079 --> 01:19:22.720
<v Speaker 4>much more degraded than it used to be.

1474
01:19:23.479 --> 01:19:25.960
<v Speaker 1>I think with the Mormons, I think it's just like

1475
01:19:26.479 --> 01:19:29.399
<v Speaker 1>JJ said, I think it's for the elite. I think

1476
01:19:29.439 --> 01:19:32.479
<v Speaker 1>that they don't share this stuff with the peons of

1477
01:19:32.520 --> 01:19:35.920
<v Speaker 1>the church that ended up supporting them. They support them,

1478
01:19:36.279 --> 01:19:39.119
<v Speaker 1>they're the ones that get And I know Justin and

1479
01:19:39.159 --> 01:19:41.520
<v Speaker 1>I talked about this a lot. What do they do

1480
01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:44.359
<v Speaker 1>when you first meet a Mormon? And me and Justin

1481
01:19:44.399 --> 01:19:47.279
<v Speaker 1>talked about this. He's like, Okay, explain the magic part

1482
01:19:47.279 --> 01:19:49.680
<v Speaker 1>to me, because he wasn't. He didn't really know. And

1483
01:19:49.800 --> 01:19:51.880
<v Speaker 1>we spent a lot of time on the phone, and

1484
01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:54.399
<v Speaker 1>I said, what's the first thing the Mormons do when

1485
01:19:54.399 --> 01:19:57.680
<v Speaker 1>they talk to you, they give you something free. Okay,

1486
01:19:57.760 --> 01:20:00.920
<v Speaker 1>it's a book, but what color is it? It's blue?

1487
01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:04.760
<v Speaker 1>And if you know anything about all this stuff, it

1488
01:20:04.880 --> 01:20:07.279
<v Speaker 1>makes sense. And then what happens if you know the

1489
01:20:07.319 --> 01:20:10.359
<v Speaker 1>process of that, they get something tenfold back because you

1490
01:20:10.399 --> 01:20:13.279
<v Speaker 1>get ten percent on tithing. It makes one hundred percent

1491
01:20:13.760 --> 01:20:17.159
<v Speaker 1>sense when you know the reason why. But it took

1492
01:20:17.239 --> 01:20:21.680
<v Speaker 1>me two years to figure all that out. So I mean,

1493
01:20:22.520 --> 01:20:25.119
<v Speaker 1>a normal person isn't going to spend their time every

1494
01:20:25.159 --> 01:20:27.960
<v Speaker 1>single day, like eight hours a day trying to figure

1495
01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:30.319
<v Speaker 1>stuff out. They're just not going to do that, and

1496
01:20:30.399 --> 01:20:33.399
<v Speaker 1>so I think a lot of it's degraded for that

1497
01:20:33.560 --> 01:20:36.359
<v Speaker 1>simple reason. They're hiding it. They don't want to seem

1498
01:20:37.279 --> 01:20:39.920
<v Speaker 1>out there or weird. But yet they're all in these

1499
01:20:39.920 --> 01:20:44.680
<v Speaker 1>secret societies. So they're inward and weird, weird, we'll say weird,

1500
01:20:44.800 --> 01:20:47.800
<v Speaker 1>but they're secret. You know, they're doing all this and

1501
01:20:47.920 --> 01:20:51.800
<v Speaker 1>keeping it for themselves only. And the profit of the

1502
01:20:51.880 --> 01:20:54.560
<v Speaker 1>church is a hundred. I mean, clearly they're using it.

1503
01:20:55.239 --> 01:20:58.039
<v Speaker 1>He's a hundred. He's using it for extension of life.

1504
01:20:58.079 --> 01:21:01.560
<v Speaker 1>And why do you do necromancy in general like baptisms

1505
01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:05.239
<v Speaker 1>for the dead? Necromancy is so you can know things

1506
01:21:05.319 --> 01:21:07.880
<v Speaker 1>before they happen, and have a knowledge of things before

1507
01:21:08.279 --> 01:21:11.279
<v Speaker 1>they occur. What do we call the profit? The profit

1508
01:21:11.359 --> 01:21:15.560
<v Speaker 1>seer and revelator tell me they're not using it and

1509
01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:19.079
<v Speaker 1>six spires, Like, honestly, it all makes sense. And when

1510
01:21:19.159 --> 01:21:21.800
<v Speaker 1>I have an old book and I'll find it, I

1511
01:21:21.840 --> 01:21:25.720
<v Speaker 1>took a picture of the back page because the and

1512
01:21:25.840 --> 01:21:31.479
<v Speaker 1>they say things are weird. They're like, oh, just just

1513
01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:36.079
<v Speaker 1>take that and hide that and then don't ever show

1514
01:21:36.119 --> 01:21:39.079
<v Speaker 1>anybody that again and sell that book. Right, So I

1515
01:21:39.119 --> 01:21:41.560
<v Speaker 1>go by him and I found this really cool old

1516
01:21:41.560 --> 01:21:44.399
<v Speaker 1>book on masonry, and it had a diagram in the

1517
01:21:44.479 --> 01:21:47.479
<v Speaker 1>back with all the astrology signs and how the temples

1518
01:21:47.520 --> 01:21:51.000
<v Speaker 1>lined up. And it's a very specific and Joseph Smith

1519
01:21:51.079 --> 01:21:54.720
<v Speaker 1>told them to do it specifically with like all the

1520
01:21:54.800 --> 01:21:58.000
<v Speaker 1>months and the moon phases, all kinds of stuff. It's

1521
01:21:58.119 --> 01:22:01.760
<v Speaker 1>not just a building. There's all kinds of stuff there.

1522
01:22:02.079 --> 01:22:06.680
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I think there's a lot that they hide.

1523
01:22:07.640 --> 01:22:12.119
<v Speaker 6>So yeah, yeah, I think I think it's you know,

1524
01:22:12.159 --> 01:22:13.840
<v Speaker 6>like I said, like, you know, we've already discussed it.

1525
01:22:13.880 --> 01:22:15.439
<v Speaker 5>I think all these people at the top, they all

1526
01:22:15.479 --> 01:22:16.479
<v Speaker 5>should still do it today.

1527
01:22:16.520 --> 01:22:19.760
<v Speaker 6>And I learned early on in my Mormon childhood there

1528
01:22:19.760 --> 01:22:21.239
<v Speaker 6>that you don't ask about magic.

1529
01:22:21.239 --> 01:22:22.560
<v Speaker 5>Are aliens? No?

1530
01:22:22.560 --> 01:22:24.560
<v Speaker 6>No, I know they get rolled tight around there if

1531
01:22:24.560 --> 01:22:27.560
<v Speaker 6>you start asking about magic and aliens. And I kind of,

1532
01:22:27.680 --> 01:22:30.800
<v Speaker 6>you know, learning scientology later in life, learning about scientology.

1533
01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:34.319
<v Speaker 6>Not that I was scientologists, but I'm interested in ancient

1534
01:22:34.359 --> 01:22:38.840
<v Speaker 6>alien cargo cults such as Mormonism and scientology. You can't

1535
01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:41.399
<v Speaker 6>ask about xenu until you get like, you know, way

1536
01:22:41.479 --> 01:22:43.439
<v Speaker 6>up in the system. So I kind of let's how

1537
01:22:43.439 --> 01:22:45.760
<v Speaker 6>I kind of view about the ld S is the

1538
01:22:45.479 --> 01:22:47.600
<v Speaker 6>same respect.

1539
01:22:47.039 --> 01:22:49.479
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's how the Mormons are exactly about the Mother

1540
01:22:49.600 --> 01:22:53.239
<v Speaker 1>in Heaven if you've noticed, that's exactly it. And I

1541
01:22:53.319 --> 01:22:57.319
<v Speaker 1>honestly believe that that it's a divine feminine energy that

1542
01:22:57.359 --> 01:23:00.159
<v Speaker 1>they're they're pulling like at the top. I true, we

1543
01:23:00.199 --> 01:23:03.000
<v Speaker 1>believe that even though they're a patriarchal society, that's how

1544
01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:06.880
<v Speaker 1>they function through. But ultimately, all the channeling and all

1545
01:23:06.880 --> 01:23:10.199
<v Speaker 1>that stuff goes to the highest level with the female

1546
01:23:10.239 --> 01:23:13.880
<v Speaker 1>giving that anointing. For the second anointing that you know

1547
01:23:14.119 --> 01:23:17.960
<v Speaker 1>basically makes your place sure in the celestial kingdom, that's

1548
01:23:17.960 --> 01:23:20.640
<v Speaker 1>given by a woman in your marital bedroom, well it

1549
01:23:20.680 --> 01:23:22.279
<v Speaker 1>should be, it's not I think they do it in

1550
01:23:22.279 --> 01:23:25.159
<v Speaker 1>the temple now, but they keep changing all everything.

1551
01:23:25.680 --> 01:23:27.119
<v Speaker 3>So that's very contract.

1552
01:23:27.560 --> 01:23:31.600
<v Speaker 4>That you just described is very contract, like the single partner,

1553
01:23:31.680 --> 01:23:32.279
<v Speaker 4>not the.

1554
01:23:33.520 --> 01:23:36.159
<v Speaker 1>Right right, like the marital huh.

1555
01:23:36.039 --> 01:23:38.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that would be a very that would be a contract.

1556
01:23:38.399 --> 01:23:39.159
<v Speaker 4>Concerts job.

1557
01:23:40.319 --> 01:23:42.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, that's something real, that very real.

1558
01:23:44.199 --> 01:23:46.399
<v Speaker 1>I think they do that. And I think that you know,

1559
01:23:47.079 --> 01:23:49.680
<v Speaker 1>even when you ask when you're little, JJ, I don't

1560
01:23:49.720 --> 01:23:51.079
<v Speaker 1>know if this happened to you. I would ask my

1561
01:23:51.119 --> 01:23:52.840
<v Speaker 1>grandma like, well, what about the mother in heaven? Oh,

1562
01:23:52.920 --> 01:23:55.800
<v Speaker 1>she's too sacred, we don't mention her. Like that just

1563
01:23:55.880 --> 01:23:58.439
<v Speaker 1>screams to me, knowing what we know now that that's

1564
01:23:58.800 --> 01:24:02.039
<v Speaker 1>the truth. You know that they're worshiping certain things that

1565
01:24:02.079 --> 01:24:03.880
<v Speaker 1>they just don't want people to know. And the funny

1566
01:24:03.920 --> 01:24:06.159
<v Speaker 1>thing is is if you go back far enough. And

1567
01:24:06.199 --> 01:24:09.800
<v Speaker 1>I know this because me and Justin were talking about

1568
01:24:10.199 --> 01:24:13.439
<v Speaker 1>who was in Who's line one night on genealogy and stuff,

1569
01:24:13.720 --> 01:24:16.680
<v Speaker 1>and this one lady. He's like, oh, that's your last name.

1570
01:24:16.760 --> 01:24:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh you're related to this one lady that had the

1571
01:24:18.880 --> 01:24:23.279
<v Speaker 1>most patriarchical blessings, that had the best outcomes. I'm like

1572
01:24:23.359 --> 01:24:25.760
<v Speaker 1>a woman gave him. He's like, well, yeah, she's like

1573
01:24:25.800 --> 01:24:27.680
<v Speaker 1>your relative. And he was like, we were talking about

1574
01:24:27.680 --> 01:24:30.720
<v Speaker 1>how it goes down, and he's like, you know, that

1575
01:24:30.760 --> 01:24:33.239
<v Speaker 1>would be one of your relatives in the direct line,

1576
01:24:33.479 --> 01:24:35.640
<v Speaker 1>and we were talking about it. He goes, they quit

1577
01:24:35.720 --> 01:24:39.359
<v Speaker 1>having women do it after Joseph died, And I was like, well,

1578
01:24:39.399 --> 01:24:41.880
<v Speaker 1>that makes a lot of more sense because Brigham he

1579
01:24:42.079 --> 01:24:46.239
<v Speaker 1>was different. He wasn't the same as Joseph. He was

1580
01:24:46.600 --> 01:24:49.560
<v Speaker 1>way more stern and patriarchal.

1581
01:24:49.840 --> 01:24:54.359
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, sure, that's very interesting because a lot of

1582
01:24:54.439 --> 01:24:57.560
<v Speaker 4>left hand path groups also have a sort of mother

1583
01:24:57.800 --> 01:25:00.560
<v Speaker 4>in Heaven figure out. I'm not saying that about falsism,

1584
01:25:00.600 --> 01:25:03.119
<v Speaker 4>more about NTRA, about any anything else, but I just

1585
01:25:03.159 --> 01:25:06.840
<v Speaker 4>have noticed this trend towards like a feminine divine force

1586
01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:09.079
<v Speaker 4>or a focus on the feminine divine force.

1587
01:25:09.640 --> 01:25:12.279
<v Speaker 3>And then also yeah, I think yeah, yeah, and.

1588
01:25:12.279 --> 01:25:17.039
<v Speaker 4>Ghosts are notoriously unreliable for scrying, so do not anyone

1589
01:25:17.159 --> 01:25:20.079
<v Speaker 4>less I going to do that shose.

1590
01:25:19.840 --> 01:25:24.920
<v Speaker 1>This whole book of Mormons ride. Yeah, I think, I think,

1591
01:25:25.000 --> 01:25:29.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, it just depends on how much trouble you want,

1592
01:25:29.079 --> 01:25:32.279
<v Speaker 1>because like Kelly started getting stabbed with swords and stuff,

1593
01:25:32.279 --> 01:25:37.279
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't try it. But that's just me with fake swords, right,

1594
01:25:37.800 --> 01:25:38.359
<v Speaker 1>that's what.

1595
01:25:38.319 --> 01:25:39.039
<v Speaker 2>He said.

1596
01:25:40.520 --> 01:25:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, good old Joseph and his magic rock. But then

1597
01:25:44.560 --> 01:25:47.039
<v Speaker 1>we've got the two Ice Stone here with Atlantis, and

1598
01:25:47.079 --> 01:25:49.279
<v Speaker 1>we'll get to that too. And you know, the X

1599
01:25:49.319 --> 01:25:53.640
<v Speaker 1>files come in, Bush comes in all kinds of stuff,

1600
01:25:53.640 --> 01:25:57.600
<v Speaker 1>the Bay of Pigs, and it really is just a

1601
01:25:57.640 --> 01:26:02.399
<v Speaker 1>big oro boros of just rupt people, so unfortunate.

1602
01:26:03.680 --> 01:26:06.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you very much, Heidi. That was a lot

1603
01:26:06.159 --> 01:26:08.960
<v Speaker 2>of information too. That was great. Thank you for the

1604
01:26:08.960 --> 01:26:10.479
<v Speaker 2>pictures and everything. I love that.

1605
01:26:11.319 --> 01:26:11.399
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

1606
01:26:11.560 --> 01:26:13.640
<v Speaker 2>For people who happen to be listening to the audio,

1607
01:26:13.920 --> 01:26:16.800
<v Speaker 2>there was visuals, so if you want, you can go

1608
01:26:16.880 --> 01:26:21.800
<v Speaker 2>back and check out the videos. I highly suggested everybody.

1609
01:26:22.000 --> 01:26:24.680
<v Speaker 2>I got GIN and I got JJ's links in the

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01:26:24.680 --> 01:26:27.760
<v Speaker 2>bottom if you want to check their stuff out in Heidi,

1611
01:26:27.880 --> 01:26:30.279
<v Speaker 2>one more time, let everybody know where they can find

1612
01:26:30.319 --> 01:26:30.760
<v Speaker 2>your work.

1613
01:26:30.800 --> 01:26:34.840
<v Speaker 1>Please absolutely, I'm Heidi love of the Unfiltered Rise. I'm

1614
01:26:34.840 --> 01:26:37.319
<v Speaker 1>everywhere podcasts are served. I do have my own podcasts

1615
01:26:37.319 --> 01:26:40.840
<v Speaker 1>at Unfiltered Rise podcast dot com and give us a checkout.

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01:26:41.479 --> 01:26:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thank you very much, and your links will

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01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:47.239
<v Speaker 2>be in the bottom. And again, uh, Lisa Jin and JJ,

1618
01:26:47.319 --> 01:26:50.720
<v Speaker 2>thank you very much for joining us with today. That

1619
01:26:50.840 --> 01:26:53.039
<v Speaker 2>was a great talk and very interesting and I definitely

1620
01:26:53.039 --> 01:26:55.520
<v Speaker 2>look forward to the next one. And uh and until

1621
01:26:55.560 --> 01:26:57.960
<v Speaker 2>the next one, everybody be well.

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01:26:58.039 --> 01:26:58.279
<v Speaker 3>Later