Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen. What what's going to happen?
Speaker 1: What you help?
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Occult Rejects in this episode, I got
Speaker 2: a couple of the rejects with us tonight. I got
Speaker 2: Lisa the Occult reject, Jena Ninja and what is going on?
Speaker 3: Yo? Boss? What's up?
Speaker 4: So I'll just shout out that, thank you Nick so
Speaker 4: much for bringing me on and Lisa and JJ and
Speaker 4: I'm really excited to meet Heidi for the first time,
Speaker 4: even though we've sort of like been in parallel circles,
Speaker 4: I'll say for a while. So uh, and Nick and
Speaker 4: Robbie just had an episode drop on my show, so
Speaker 4: everybody check that out. Threshold Saints bucka be Knock Part
Speaker 4: two really awesome, really hoppy dot Nick and Robbie wanted
Speaker 4: to do and like a series on my show.
Speaker 2: So yeah, awesome, Oh, thank you, thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 2: Well I think I invited myself. Actually it's kind of
Speaker 2: fucked up, but yeah, no it was. I'm always down
Speaker 2: for a story time with Robbie, so I wanted to
Speaker 2: be there, and thank you very much. JJ Vance. What
Speaker 2: is going on, my man? How are you today? Sir Nick?
Speaker 5: Greeting, Sir, appreciate the invite.
Speaker 6: Host of Operation GCD JJ Vance always always happy to
Speaker 6: join you for a panel here on the Ecal Rejects.
Speaker 5: Lisa Great, great to join you as well.
Speaker 1: Jen.
Speaker 5: Always looking forward to a conversation. And Hi, great to
Speaker 5: meet you.
Speaker 6: I've listened to some of your work on other podcasts.
Speaker 6: As a former former Mormon myself, for the first twenty
Speaker 6: years of my life, I had a deep interest in
Speaker 6: the church and in their activities for many years. In fact,
Speaker 6: Nick and I met over the topic of the occult
Speaker 6: aspects of Jessic Smith.
Speaker 1: Awesome, love, I'm glad you joined.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right. It was about women.
Speaker 5: Yeah, now I'm looking forward to it now.
Speaker 6: It was almost two years ago I reached out the
Speaker 6: Nick ky, do you want to do a podcast about
Speaker 6: some of Cold Justice Smith stuff? And then two years
Speaker 6: later it's the first time where I'm talking more stuff
Speaker 6: with Nick. So now I'm looking forward to the conversation here.
Speaker 2: Awesome, awesome, Yeah, thank you very much for jumping on
Speaker 2: JJ and UH. Before we move on to the special guest,
Speaker 2: Just in case you have not checked it out yet,
Speaker 2: this is a reminder to go check out a Cult
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Speaker 2: you did not know that we have one, Go there
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Speaker 2: people that have a bunch of different things to talk about.
Speaker 2: On that all right, and now on to Heidi. Heidi,
Speaker 2: thank you very much for coming back on fad you
Speaker 2: want in the past, but it has been a while,
Speaker 2: so please let all the new listeners know what your
Speaker 2: deal is and where they can find your amazing work.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Thank you for having me. I'm always happy to
Speaker 1: do shows with you. Nick, I'm happy to meet everybody else.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me on. And I am Heidi
Speaker 1: love at the Unfiltered and I do lots of different
Speaker 1: topics kind of little rabbit holes everywhere, but my main
Speaker 1: thing is is I am an ex Mormon, I was
Speaker 1: raised Mormon. I'm living Utah, not the best place to
Speaker 1: live as an ex Mormon, but you know, families all here,
Speaker 1: so they're all still in so that's that's my deal.
Speaker 2: Awesome, thank you very much. And I will include everybody's
Speaker 2: links in the bottom. So Heidi, I know that you
Speaker 2: were telling me that we'll be talking about Mormonism, CIA sassinations,
Speaker 2: and all sorts of crazy stuff. So I guess, I
Speaker 2: guess maybe before we get into it, actually got you,
Speaker 2: like into going down this rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: It's been okay. So I started looking at some strange phenomena,
Speaker 1: especially talking to well, listening to your show, then having
Speaker 1: Justin on right and always looking at things and and
Speaker 1: looking at Mormons per se, and somebody brought up Howard Hughes.
Speaker 1: And I'm not a JFK person really before now I'm
Speaker 1: so kny deep it's not even funny. But I just
Speaker 1: was always like, yeah, I look into it. They killed him, like,
Speaker 1: I don't believe they're dumb story, that's for sure. But
Speaker 1: I didn't realize there was so much a at hand
Speaker 1: like it is, it is a huge rabbit hole in itself.
Speaker 1: And then the Mormons kept showing up randomly. I was like,
Speaker 1: why are these Mormons showing up randomly? Like? And so
Speaker 1: I kept looking into it further and found out, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of things that have to pertain
Speaker 1: with that, especially where Howard Hughes is concerned. And Howard's
Speaker 1: fun deep dive on himself, So Howard's weird. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's gonna what got me into it. And now I've
Speaker 1: got about I would say four shows that I do
Speaker 1: that totally pertain to this, but like, wow, we separated them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like we did the Seance of the Nine, we did
Speaker 1: Howard Hughes and the Mormon Mafia, and then there's Permanent
Speaker 1: X and RFK and the whole Andrea Puharovich that I
Speaker 1: was talking about. And then we have kind of a
Speaker 1: tie together because it goes to aliens. And I've never
Speaker 1: been an alien girl, but I was just like, what
Speaker 1: is happening? What is going on here?
Speaker 2: That's one thing I do want to stop. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: you want to mention real quick before you go on
Speaker 2: something I'm very excited about. It won't be in this episode,
Speaker 2: but I mean, I've been talking about this probably since
Speaker 2: I started the podcast, The Council of Nine and you
Speaker 2: know what, the Saants of Nine. It is amazing how
Speaker 2: this actually ties into that. When you said that to
Speaker 2: me earlier, it was like, holy fuck, this is awesome,
Speaker 2: cause it is like a very weird it's a very
Speaker 2: weird thing, and I've never really heard people really talk
Speaker 2: about it too much. I just happened to come across
Speaker 2: it in a book I read it about it in
Speaker 2: a book.
Speaker 1: I Peter Lavenda nailed my mind in this whole thing,
Speaker 1: and he knows so much about so much with things
Speaker 1: like as far as if you want to get books
Speaker 1: for deep dives, like I definitely recommend his books and
Speaker 1: Age of Secrets, which is going to be on here.
Speaker 1: And that's John Myers aspect of everything we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about today. But I've read a bunch of books.
Speaker 1: Now I'm still, like I said, I'm so far deep
Speaker 1: in the rabbit hole now that it's gotten weird. But
Speaker 1: and it gets into space, and it's really pertinent with
Speaker 1: today where they're gonna open up the JFK files and
Speaker 1: you know, President Trump's obsessed with space stuff. And it
Speaker 1: all kind of goes back together, Like every single time
Speaker 1: I'm researching some little tiny topic, I'm like, why are
Speaker 1: the Mormons having Warner von Braun in their theological Mormon movie?
Speaker 1: What is happening? Why is all this going on?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been fun. It's it gets weird.
Speaker 2: I know for sure, especially if it ends some of
Speaker 2: the things you're talking about. It, God, it has to
Speaker 2: get weird, you know.
Speaker 1: It got weird. I brought slides because as a good
Speaker 1: Mormon girl for many years. I know they're going to
Speaker 1: sam full of crap. So yeah, you know, so I
Speaker 1: can bring those up.
Speaker 2: If you are right, awesome, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Okay, cool, Well that seems like strange bedfellows.
Speaker 6: There were Nazis and Mormonism, but I think, you know,
Speaker 6: those two ideologies very much go hand in hand with
Speaker 6: some strong white white nationalism ideologies.
Speaker 1: O A hundred percent. Yes, I think you're right on.
Speaker 1: I think they backed each other because they have commonalities, right, sure,
Speaker 1: can you guys see that?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I'll pull it up now. Okay, if I
Speaker 2: remember correctly, maybe Alicia you might remember about it. Was
Speaker 2: Justin like pointing towards that stuff Nazis and Mormons already
Speaker 2: in the series. Probably me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think Justin kind of talked a little bit
Speaker 1: about it in the Rotary Club episode, because when I
Speaker 1: talked to him about it, we both agree that George A. Smith,
Speaker 1: the prophet of the church, at one point he was
Speaker 1: very the first one, very in the pocket of politicians,
Speaker 1: and he had his face plastered on Time magazine, and
Speaker 1: I think it was a little you know, hat tip
Speaker 1: to like, hey, I'm playing ball. You know, he was
Speaker 1: a Rotarian. He was an ivy leaguer. He was a banker.
Speaker 1: Like things started changing when he took over, and he
Speaker 1: did send aid to the Nazis after the war. He
Speaker 1: sent food and all kinds of supplies. He said, well
Speaker 1: that was just because if you look it up, it'll
Speaker 1: say no, he didn't. But he did send it to
Speaker 1: the German people that were Mormons. Yeah, like I said,
Speaker 1: so it's a fun little Yeah, justin knows what's up.
Speaker 1: I wish he'd I wish he'd come back and chat more,
Speaker 1: but he's busy. Now I've tried.
Speaker 2: I think he didn't. At least it didn't. That get me,
Speaker 2: and you saw to try to like look into Nazian
Speaker 2: woman connections or something. I just feel like that.
Speaker 7: To reiterate what Heim said was that we started off
Speaker 7: with a Rotary club because he had found a connection
Speaker 7: with the Mormons and the Rotary Club. And in his
Speaker 7: discussion he was naming certain people and naming certain locations
Speaker 7: like Chicago, South America, Mexico, certain areas in Germany. And
Speaker 7: when he started saying all this, we had asked him,
Speaker 7: is there any Nazi connection? You know? Because of these dates,
Speaker 7: these actual establishments, the actual cities. These cities are tie
Speaker 7: into some of the experimentation some of the facilities, especially
Speaker 7: in Chicago.
Speaker 1: And so he had.
Speaker 7: Said, you know what, I don't know, let me look,
Speaker 7: and then the second episode he comes back and says, yes,
Speaker 7: y'all were right, there is a Nazi connection here it goes.
Speaker 7: And then from that episode and please justin correct me
Speaker 7: if I'm wrong, if you're listening, is that from that connection?
Speaker 7: We had asked, is there a CIA connection, because all
Speaker 7: of a sudden they were in areas or locales of Mexico,
Speaker 7: Central America, South America where most of these operations by
Speaker 7: black ops CIA. What have you were going on? And
Speaker 7: he's like, I don't know, let me look, and then
Speaker 7: comes back and says, sure enough, there is CIA connections.
Speaker 7: And that's kind of about where he stopped in terms
Speaker 7: of that. Of course, his the breath of his actual
Speaker 7: research was much more extensive than that, you know, but
Speaker 7: those were connections that were made on the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I would even say for people who gives you
Speaker 2: a new listener and you haven't heard that series and
Speaker 2: you're interested in that stuff, definitely go check it out.
Speaker 2: I mean, that is very detailed and like Lisa was saying,
Speaker 2: he's got everything.
Speaker 7: Honestly, he has timelines and shows a lot of you know,
Speaker 7: you can go back.
Speaker 1: It's very thoroughbvery in depth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like timeline's and newspaper articles and everything.
Speaker 1: All right, he's very good at that. I wished he'd
Speaker 1: come back on the scene. I think Justin's a really
Speaker 1: great researcher in person. So yeah, I agree. I actually
Speaker 1: heard him first on your show, so I listen to
Speaker 1: that whole thing quickly.
Speaker 7: He reviewed on the Occult Rejects. I don't think he
Speaker 7: had ever done his show.
Speaker 2: Hattie, Nick, Oh, yeah, that's right. I think we might have.
Speaker 7: I think he debuted on our show. And if I
Speaker 7: don't know, correct me if I'm wrong people out there.
Speaker 7: I don't think he ever did a show with anyone else,
Speaker 7: did he He.
Speaker 1: Did just with me, only with me. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he did anybody else's, but we did two or
Speaker 1: three together. Okay, great, Oh that's just because I asked.
Speaker 2: But I asked Nick, Oh yeah yeah, yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't hold on to guests some people too.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, you were like, uh yeah, I hit him up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, of course both Mormon go forward to ex
Speaker 2: moment so learn whatever you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did want to ask at least because I
Speaker 1: value you.
Speaker 2: Thank you thank anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, so Vegas is there would be no
Speaker 1: Las Vegas without Mormons. Just so you guys know, the
Speaker 1: first permanent settlement in Las Vegas was in a Mormon settlement.
Speaker 1: Mormons built the first permanent settlement there in eighteen fifty five.
Speaker 1: Thirty two missionaries were sent to evangelize to the Native Americans.
Speaker 1: But they quickly found out it was a lot harder
Speaker 1: to live there than live anywhere else. And also I
Speaker 1: think it was you know, Brigham was nothing if not
Speaker 1: resilient on making money, and it's kind of a halfway point,
Speaker 1: you know, for travelers. So he was thinking, I'm sure
Speaker 1: like this would be good to have an outpost there,
Speaker 1: but quickly they decided they would abandon this by eighteen
Speaker 1: fifty seven. So it is still there. It is standing.
Speaker 1: It's toward the old part of Las Vegas Boulevard. So
Speaker 1: if you guys ever want to go, you could go
Speaker 1: check it out. But yeah, it's there, and the Mormons
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, hung onto that until we get
Speaker 1: to another person, not just the Mormons, but Howard Hughes right,
Speaker 1: that helped with Vegas. There would be not a lot
Speaker 1: of things if not for Howard Hughes. But Vegas was
Speaker 1: definitely one of his babies. And to understand anything about Howard,
Speaker 1: we kind of have to go backwards in life. This
Speaker 1: is Howard and his mom and Howard was. You know,
Speaker 1: I honestly believe he was a Munchausen by proxy child.
Speaker 1: You know, he was sick a lot as a child.
Speaker 1: His mom did some really weird stuff. She would like
Speaker 1: and inspect his body daily. I mean, it was her
Speaker 1: only kid. She obviously had OCD tendencies as well. They're
Speaker 1: not going to diagnose her, but from the descriptions of things,
Speaker 1: it was pretty severe. She was it got weird, like
Speaker 1: showers and stuff like. I don't think he was fully abused,
Speaker 1: but I don't think it was quite right what was
Speaker 1: going on there. So it will lead to what happens
Speaker 1: to Howard in the future, which is the only reason
Speaker 1: why I bring it up, So either by genetics or
Speaker 1: by what was happening. So yeah, it definitely affected him.
Speaker 1: And then you know, during Howard Hughes's teenage years, a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't discuss it, but he actually was
Speaker 1: one of the first people to ever make a motorized bicycle.
Speaker 1: He has a huge IQ. I think is i Q's
Speaker 1: one fifty eight. It's higher than Elon's. I remember that
Speaker 1: because when I was looking them up, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: but he's mad about that.
Speaker 3: Uhh.
Speaker 1: This is the house he grew up in and his dad.
Speaker 1: You know, his mom came from a pretty nice family,
Speaker 1: but his dad was more rough and tough. He did
Speaker 1: try to become an attorney, and he was successful at
Speaker 1: passing the bar, originally from Iowa, but then settled down
Speaker 1: in Texas and loved the oil rigging business and he
Speaker 1: you know, made this drill bit that made him quiet
Speaker 1: the fortune and he started a company of his own,
Speaker 1: which unfortunately, his mom passed away of an ectopic pregnancy
Speaker 1: after his dad had already passed away, and so they
Speaker 1: both passed away like quick, within a year or two
Speaker 1: of each other. So he ended up with all of
Speaker 1: the money from that. And those that don't know Howard
Speaker 1: he was pretty successful and almost all the adventures he
Speaker 1: started out and not at first, if not at first,
Speaker 1: he was at the end and he quickly was interested
Speaker 1: in making movies. And there was another parallel there. You know,
Speaker 1: with his movie making time, you know, Joe Kennedy was
Speaker 1: making movies at the same time. I found that really
Speaker 1: interesting because of the connections that we're going to get
Speaker 1: to later, and I often wonder if there was more
Speaker 1: of a relationship there than what they say. But regardless,
Speaker 1: by the time he hits Vegas, he's got quite a
Speaker 1: lot of money, you know, and he ends up here,
Speaker 1: and his first little bit in town was kind of odd.
Speaker 1: He came and he leased a five room cottage near
Speaker 1: the Desert Inn at first, and it was called the Greenhouse.
Speaker 1: And he lived there for one year, and he left
Speaker 1: and ordered it never to be changed. Probably now even
Speaker 1: it would be the same if he was still alive.
Speaker 1: He never went back to it. He refused to ever
Speaker 1: go back there ever again, but he wanted it kept
Speaker 1: exactly like perfectly how it was. And then the next
Speaker 1: time he ends up there, he actually goes to the
Speaker 1: Desert Inn and it got weird. Howard is weird at
Speaker 1: this point. In nineteen sixty seven, he rented out the
Speaker 1: top floor and he was walking around naked doing whatever
Speaker 1: he wanted. He wouldn't come out of his room. His
Speaker 1: curtains rotted because they wouldn't let the maids in all
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff, and finally they were like, hey, you
Speaker 1: got to get out of here, man, and he was like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to buy it. You leave. So they did,
Speaker 1: they left, and he bought it. And so he buys
Speaker 1: this hotel and he thinks, you know what, I kind
Speaker 1: of like this. You know, maybe I'll start owning hotels, right,
Speaker 1: and I just throw all those little pictures and stuff
Speaker 1: of Howard in because maybe some of the younger people
Speaker 1: don't know who Howard is. Without Howard used, we wouldn't
Speaker 1: have most of the error, like all of the space
Speaker 1: and satellites and aircraft and all of these huge industry
Speaker 1: things that have been developed underneath his name. And then
Speaker 1: even goes further than that at a later point. He's
Speaker 1: actually cousin to the right brothers. And you know he
Speaker 1: was a pilot in his own right. He did stunts
Speaker 1: well I don't know why that's repeating, Sorry, he did
Speaker 1: stunts sometimes on his own movies that they wouldn't do.
Speaker 1: But also we know he got her pretty badly in Rex,
Speaker 1: and so I guess he just didn't care anymore. So
Speaker 1: the whole point is is Howard's pretty pretty odd. And
Speaker 1: one thing that Howard really liked was kind of that
Speaker 1: clean cut facade on the outside. Now that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: he didn't have his own demons on the inside, because
Speaker 1: he did have neurosyphilis and it was affecting his brain.
Speaker 1: They always bring up the OCD, and you know he's
Speaker 1: rich and eccentric, but you know, they don't bring up
Speaker 1: the neural syphalis. And so that was happening. He was married,
Speaker 1: and at this point is where he meets somebody called
Speaker 1: Mayhew because he's worried about his wife. Well, okay, he
Speaker 1: wants to hire somebody to check out her stuff because
Speaker 1: he thinks, okay, she's cheating on him and whatnot. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: when you only spend twenty minutes a day with your wife,
Speaker 1: you have her come in the room, stare at her,
Speaker 1: and have her leave. I mean, do I blame the girl?
Speaker 1: I don't know. And so yeah, he ends up meeting
Speaker 1: somebody that he wants to have them check out this
Speaker 1: wife of his because he's like, hey, I think she's
Speaker 1: cheating on me. I need you to check her out.
Speaker 1: You run your own PI business and incomes mister Mayhew.
Speaker 1: And when you talk about Robert Mayhew. He is like
Speaker 1: a huge player in this whole game, and he is
Speaker 1: part quote unquote of the Mormon mafia. But also he
Speaker 1: wasn't Mormon. It was just kind of what got coined
Speaker 1: to them. Most of them were Mormons, but mayhe happen
Speaker 1: not to be. He actually is the person they did
Speaker 1: Mission Impossible after his life. He wasn't a Mormon. He
Speaker 1: ends up the chief execus to Nevada operations for Howard Hughes.
Speaker 1: So he just was there to do this private investigation
Speaker 1: for him and ends up on the very top of
Speaker 1: his businesses, which often happens with Howard, and needless to say,
Speaker 1: kind of gave up on the investigation. Him and his
Speaker 1: wife get divorced, and this guy kind of pops into
Speaker 1: his life and taking charge pretty much of most of
Speaker 1: his corporations and whatnot. At this point, he is a
Speaker 1: former spy. He has delivered lots of politicians and even Nixon,
Speaker 1: helped a ton on Watergate, all kinds of different stuff.
Speaker 1: He worked with Nixon in nineteen fifty four against Onnassas
Speaker 1: and the King of Saudi Arabia. We get into the
Speaker 1: Bay of Pigs and it's a whole big thing. But
Speaker 1: he is definitely, you know, one hundred percent in at
Speaker 1: taking care of things, if you get my drift. And
Speaker 1: he was also in on a CIA level with the Mob. Okay,
Speaker 1: so Sam g and Conna, Johnny Roselli. He's a part
Speaker 1: of all this stuff. And so he has these connections
Speaker 1: because Howard wants to buy more hotels, well who owns
Speaker 1: them at the time. The Mob for the most part,
Speaker 1: so Bob is pretty interesting, but he doesn't like Mormons.
Speaker 1: And there's another there's a group of people around Howard
Speaker 1: and he is only one of the group and it
Speaker 1: ends up being kind of a big war I guess
Speaker 1: internally for them. But at that point he had the
Speaker 1: upper hand and he is, like I said, known to
Speaker 1: have basically been part of helping with the Bay of Pigs,
Speaker 1: and like nineteen forty one he was hired by the
Speaker 1: FBI for the Committee of Intelligence. He's a Nazi sympathizer.
Speaker 1: This guy's all over the place, So I mean, when
Speaker 1: we're talking about shady people, he's definitely one the next
Speaker 1: person that helps him with the hotel thing, because this
Speaker 1: gets him in the door, foot in the door to
Speaker 1: the mob. But what are you going to do to
Speaker 1: find that's it? Well, okay, you he had money, but
Speaker 1: he knew he wanted many of these things, and so
Speaker 1: he did want to get involved in banking in the area.
Speaker 1: So in comes the Mormons. This is how the Mormons start.
Speaker 1: So E Perry Thomas, he's a critical player here. He
Speaker 1: he is a Mormon Latter day Saint, full blown, and
Speaker 1: he made sure that he did not give mister Hughes
Speaker 1: any hard times when it comes to I don't want
Speaker 1: my fingerprints done, I don't want this done, I don't
Speaker 1: want that done. I don't even want to meet the people.
Speaker 1: That shouldn't be a thing. But E. Perry Thomas made
Speaker 1: this happen for him. And he's actually called the Quiet
Speaker 1: king Maker, and he's the first banker to ever lend
Speaker 1: money to the casino operators. And he's changing the rules
Speaker 1: to kind of drive out the regular mob casino type
Speaker 1: stuff so nobody can skim off the top anymore. And
Speaker 1: so he wants to corporatize it, and so does Howard.
Speaker 1: Howard is behind this. He wants to clean up the
Speaker 1: Act of Las Vegas basically, and so he opened the
Speaker 1: Bank of Las Vegas. He had previously been in Salt
Speaker 1: Lake City. It's good. Mormons are right.
Speaker 5: And E.
Speaker 1: Perry Thomas is interesting, you know when you look at
Speaker 1: some of his stuff like this, Steve Wynn was financed
Speaker 1: by the Mormons. Steve Wynn was a big friend to E.
Speaker 1: Perry Thomas. So this goes into nowadays and including George
Speaker 1: Eccles was also really involved with E. Perry Thomas. So
Speaker 1: if you've been to Utah or if you're a Mormon,
Speaker 1: you know that name. You know the eccles are a
Speaker 1: big family for Mormons in Utah. And this is a quote.
Speaker 1: It says for George eccyls. George Eccles was kind of
Speaker 1: my dad's godfather, said the son of E. Perry Thomas.
Speaker 1: So this guy's got his fingers all over different places
Speaker 1: and it continues on through life. So he becomes a
Speaker 1: big part of the Mormon mafia and as well as Mayhew.
Speaker 1: And then we're going to get another player in the game,
Speaker 1: and this guy is I think they get better with
Speaker 1: each one that I introduce. Honestly, I think that it
Speaker 1: gets more and more fun. We'll pull this up so
Speaker 1: this is the board that they eventually form because there
Speaker 1: becomes many of them and it's called Suma Board and
Speaker 1: Suma Corporation. So funny enough, the Summer Corporation under this guy,
Speaker 1: his name's Gay. I know it's funny, but that's his name.
Speaker 1: And then also with the help of E. Perry Thomas,
Speaker 1: who is not on the board but he's very involved,
Speaker 1: and Mayhew and all these people, they form this board
Speaker 1: to run the Suma Corporation. Do you know what Suma
Speaker 1: happens to me? For like a definition? Basically I found
Speaker 1: this interesting. I didn't know this one till today, So
Speaker 1: if you don't, it means the top. And so you know,
Speaker 1: he he does this in multiple places, Like he also
Speaker 1: names a future subsidiary that he owns, this big plot
Speaker 1: of land, Summerlin, Suma. It's like all all very similar,
Speaker 1: and it's going to come into play with the Mormons.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a wordplay. But you know, they started
Speaker 1: their own too, as justin mentioned, they built their own
Speaker 1: neighborhood called Mount Olympus. So the top everybody's kind of
Speaker 1: referencing to being the top dog, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: one of those things with this as well. So we've
Speaker 1: got this board where now all these people that like
Speaker 1: have known Howard he's surrounding himself. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he was feeling, you know, overly weak with his OCD
Speaker 1: starting to get worse, but he's starting to surround himself
Speaker 1: almost specifically with Mormons at this point other than Mayhew,
Speaker 1: and Mayhew and Gay do not get along. They are
Speaker 1: not They're not good. And this is the point, like
Speaker 1: I said, where he gets taken off his own board,
Speaker 1: and these people are basically running his companies. And there
Speaker 1: are many of them at this point. They're all underneath
Speaker 1: the sh Shell Company, of course, and we'll get into that.
Speaker 1: But he's got like Hughes Air West, Hughes Sports, Hughes Helicopters,
Speaker 1: Hugh's Aircraft. He's got the Sands Hotel, the Frontier, Landmark,
Speaker 1: Castaways Hotel, co Desert In Silver, Slipper Casino, Hughes, Nevada Mining, General,
Speaker 1: American Oil. That's just a couple. So he's really he's
Speaker 1: really got a lot. And he's going to form another
Speaker 1: company here soon to kind of try and help with
Speaker 1: his taxes. But these people become critical in his life.
Speaker 1: And when we talk about the Gays, I find it
Speaker 1: funny because before we rolled, JJ was saying, yeah, one
Speaker 1: guy we're going to talk about in a minute kind
Speaker 1: of slipped out of it. Well, so did this guy.
Speaker 1: And Gay is one of I think the least talked
Speaker 1: about people. He's passed away now, but he was just
Speaker 1: like an errand boy. He shows up on the scene
Speaker 1: and he's this errand boy, and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden he's running the company. That doesn't even seem like
Speaker 1: but that's what happens. And he transformed the Hughes basically
Speaker 1: into a Mormon corporation. He started hiring almost exclusively Mormons.
Speaker 1: He took over all the operations that were in Silicon Valley,
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. So he's big deal later and
Speaker 1: even to this day. In fact, if you guys watch
Speaker 1: Desperate Housewives, Heather Gay is his daughter in law. So
Speaker 1: this doesn't go away. And these people are worth a
Speaker 1: lot of money even to this day. And these were
Speaker 1: one of the people that, like I said, we're able
Speaker 1: to kind of walk away and just take the money
Speaker 1: and run.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Are you guys seeing all these slides? Okay? Yep, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just want to make sure because I
Speaker 1: can't see. Yes, But didn't he have a patent or
Speaker 1: something on oil oh, yes, his dad actually had a
Speaker 1: patent for the only drill bit that could and ask
Speaker 1: any question, I can't see, so just interrupt. But he
Speaker 1: had the only patent for a drill bit that could
Speaker 1: bust through rock so that they could deep oil drill.
Speaker 1: And so it changed the whole like dynamic of mining basically.
Speaker 1: And it was funny because his dad actually was really smart.
Speaker 1: He also went to Rice and he was engineer mined
Speaker 1: as well, even though he ended up being an attorney.
Speaker 1: But he took this and went like to a bar.
Speaker 1: He had like some guy meet him there, and he
Speaker 1: like took his idea and paid him one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty dollars and made a lot of money off of it.
Speaker 1: I think fifty five billion is what they said. So
Speaker 1: when it went to Howard, and I mean, that's an
Speaker 1: astronomical amount of money back then, you know. And so
Speaker 1: Howard's got all this money, he can do whatever he wants.
Speaker 1: He's super smart. He can just you know, kind of
Speaker 1: run the world with it, and he definitely did, but
Speaker 1: he was definitely infiltrated with people all along the way
Speaker 1: that he trusted, and it turns into a big problem
Speaker 1: for him. So, like I said, you know, Gay ends
Speaker 1: up running the show. And let me show a picture
Speaker 1: of Gay just so you guys know what he looks like.
Speaker 1: This is him. He's passed away, like I said, he
Speaker 1: actually ran that. He ended up after Howard passed away,
Speaker 1: taking over Howard Hughes Medical Institute, which is what he formed.
Speaker 1: They formed this to basically get out of taxes free,
Speaker 1: and Nixon was the one that pushed it through. The
Speaker 1: IRS said no, you can't do that. You can't put
Speaker 1: all your companies under that. We're not going to say
Speaker 1: that's okay, but you know they were using his companies
Speaker 1: for the helicopters, specifically for the CIA at this point.
Speaker 1: And funny enough, all these people that I've mentioned to
Speaker 1: you so far, they've all been affiliated one way or another.
Speaker 1: So e Perry Thomas, even though he's this banker all
Speaker 1: that stuff there, he also and this is not a
Speaker 1: well known fact, he was World War Two trained paratrooper
Speaker 1: skier that they would drop into units in Europe. And
Speaker 1: so he's made. And then we've got Gay ends up
Speaker 1: being an associated make and then May Hughes made on
Speaker 1: both sides of it with FBI and CIA. So you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was on purpose or not,
Speaker 1: because Howard hughes a sketchy in himself, and you know,
Speaker 1: he kept his mouth shut. So it's kind of interesting
Speaker 1: with that connection, because we're going to talk about that next.
Speaker 1: So in true James Bond fashion, he gets involved with
Speaker 1: this and this is a glomar explorer and this is
Speaker 1: called the Azorian Project. And they say, now, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what they say and what I think is going
Speaker 1: on here. They say that this is to retrieve a
Speaker 1: submarine that they're going to pull off the bottom of
Speaker 1: the ocean floor, and that this is a CIA operation
Speaker 1: and that they needed Howard's help. I don't think it's that.
Speaker 1: If you look and see what you know Azorian means,
Speaker 1: or if you know anything about Atlantis, it's pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: And at this point that they did this exploration, supposedly
Speaker 1: the ocean was like down quite a bit where they
Speaker 1: could really get down and drill deep into the ocean floor.
Speaker 1: And I mean not only I, but many people suspect
Speaker 1: that they were digging for something else and it wasn't
Speaker 1: just this retrieval mission, but that's what they say it was.
Speaker 7: Hay, was this anywhere location to the Azors? Off of
Speaker 7: a Portugal spring.
Speaker 1: Right, this is what I'm saying. They said that that
Speaker 1: they didn't. They are saying that this doesn't have anything
Speaker 1: to do with it. And this is what the CIA says.
Speaker 1: They pulled the name out of a file box like
Speaker 1: a little recipe box. Right, Okay. I don't think that
Speaker 1: that's how that this got its name. And with everything
Speaker 1: that we know about Mormons and keys and stones and things,
Speaker 1: and I mean, I just don't buy it, because if
Speaker 1: you know anything about Atlantis, and you know anything about
Speaker 1: like Edgar Casey and the two y stone and all
Speaker 1: this stuff, like it really makes you start going, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, what exactly do the Mormons know? Because they
Speaker 1: constantly talk about having the key, the keys, the keys,
Speaker 1: the keys, and you know, they'll say it's the keys
Speaker 1: to the priesthood. I don't believe it is. I think
Speaker 1: that they have something that is very important, important enough
Speaker 1: for the Vatican to say, you can be my neighbor,
Speaker 1: won't you be my neighbor in twenty eighteen and let
Speaker 1: them build an LDS temple right down the street from them.
Speaker 1: That has never happened before. And in the photo op
Speaker 1: he's holding the key of Saint Peter with a Masonic grip.
Speaker 1: I don't think that was an accident with the prophet
Speaker 1: doing that, the profit of the LDS Church who's a
Speaker 1: School and Bones member, So what they were doing, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I will say this, there's multiple CIA
Speaker 1: things at this time with Howard with Gemstones. There's another
Speaker 1: file that's called the Gemstone file, which people say is blooney.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, there's facts based around it.
Speaker 1: They can say the guy was a liar, he's dead,
Speaker 1: he died really young. I don't know if he was lying.
Speaker 1: I mean, and it goes into Onassis and it really
Speaker 1: makes you wonder. I mean, when you start learning all
Speaker 1: this stuff that goes together, you're like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: is this? Why is this why people start dropping like flies? So,
Speaker 1: I mean, whether Howard Hughes was in the CIA or not,
Speaker 1: he's definitely surrounded by the CIA and the FBI and
Speaker 1: totally affiliated in different ways. Like I said, at this point,
Speaker 1: his helicopter business is exclusively doing CIA and FBI helicopter
Speaker 1: rentals and all kinds of stuff. So he's also doing
Speaker 1: this Azorian project and all this stuff. So I think
Speaker 1: maybe Howard Hughes was probably in the c I a'mself,
Speaker 1: but I can't prove that, so I can't say I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna interrupt you really quickly.
Speaker 1: You're good, No, I can't you so definitely do okay.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 4: So I think that you said it's something interesting about
Speaker 4: the keystone. There's I think there's two ways you could
Speaker 4: think of it. In maybe an esoteric way is that
Speaker 4: part of it is like a cipher to understand, like
Speaker 4: the what we would say in TNTRA is like the
Speaker 4: primordial words, So whatever those are, it's like a part
Speaker 4: of the key to deciphering or to deriving them.
Speaker 3: But then there's also like a very real thing. And
Speaker 3: so I am reminded of Robbie.
Speaker 4: Something Robbie and Nick and I all spoke about it
Speaker 4: was the mosaic breastplate, sort of like the breastplate of
Speaker 4: the priests of Aaron. And so I've often wondered because
Speaker 4: it's something quite universal you see in like a Himalayan esoterica,
Speaker 4: a lot in like a lot obviously modern magic. So
Speaker 4: I just think that maybe it's an arrangement of how
Speaker 4: the planets should go, corresponding to their like different directions,
Speaker 4: because different texts actually list different sort of arrangements for
Speaker 4: all of them. So if it was something like a square,
Speaker 4: like a nine x nine square, and like everybody has
Speaker 4: like different gemstones because you brought up gemstones. I know
Speaker 4: that Cecil Rhads was very fond of diamonds, so you
Speaker 4: have like a lot of these like very interesting connections
Speaker 4: with gemstones and sort of like now we all use
Speaker 4: our phones and that's kind of like, oh yeah, right,
Speaker 4: mare for sure exactly.
Speaker 1: So and this I think you're one hundred percent right.
Speaker 1: This is do you know about this parchment from Joseph.
Speaker 1: I pulled this up to show you this is a
Speaker 1: Smith family parchment. They one hundred percent knew what they
Speaker 1: were doing as far as Soslomonic magic goes. You are
Speaker 1: absolutely right, I believe, and this is a totally different
Speaker 1: presentation that I do. But I one hundred percent believe
Speaker 1: that Joseph Smith did the abramellan correctly and found his
Speaker 1: HDA in Morone. I don't think that it was an angel.
Speaker 1: I think it was his HGA and you know there's
Speaker 1: a demonic side to that, and then he dies right
Speaker 1: after that, so obviously he didn't sell it correctly. Probably,
Speaker 1: but I mean that's just my hypothesis on it. But
Speaker 1: these are things that were owned by Joseph Smith and
Speaker 1: his family, and these are very esoteric in nature. Like absolutely,
Speaker 1: I think you're correct. I think there's a lot more
Speaker 1: at play with Mormonism than meets thigh, but I think
Speaker 1: they try and keep that on the down low, you know.
Speaker 1: And so but with the stone, I mean it makes sense,
Speaker 1: you know, makes totally.
Speaker 6: Well, Heidi, what are your thoughts on the dagger and
Speaker 6: the ambulet that this Smith dies exactly?
Speaker 1: Yes, So with the dagger and all of it, like
Speaker 1: it has the sigil, it's a Mars dagger, I can
Speaker 1: pull that back up. Yeah, and so yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he knew a lot of things. I think he was
Speaker 1: well trained in witchcraft. His family originally hailed from Salem.
Speaker 1: His grandpa was involved in the inquisitions, so his great
Speaker 1: grandpa and also his name was oz A l Like
Speaker 1: what Christian family do you know that names their kid
Speaker 1: after a fallen angel? I don't know too many, but
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's it's interesting. And this is
Speaker 1: the knife that you're speaking of. I mean, when you're
Speaker 1: talking about the intelligence of Mars too, you're not talking
Speaker 1: about an angel, that's a that's a demon. They classify
Speaker 1: it as a demon.
Speaker 2: The spirit.
Speaker 1: I think the demon, yep, intelligence is demon. And so
Speaker 1: that that's just interesting to me because you know, like
Speaker 1: we know with doctor John d they can tell us
Speaker 1: anything they want and so and they did, and they
Speaker 1: do and so they you know, they were pretty nefarious
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways to d and Joseph and
Speaker 1: other people as well. I just think that it's not
Speaker 1: a there's nothing new under the sun. When people laugh
Speaker 1: and say Joseph and Brigham talked about people on the
Speaker 1: sun and on the moon, I'm like, yeah, until you
Speaker 1: read Golden Dawn stuff, and then you go, huh, that's
Speaker 1: not fun anymore, right, I Mean, they knew what they
Speaker 1: were talking about. It's just all hidden. And now the
Speaker 1: church has changed, just like Justin says, you know all
Speaker 1: the time, it's turned into a corporation and they don't
Speaker 1: want any more of this woo woo stuff, you know.
Speaker 1: And this is right during that time where this is happening.
Speaker 1: I believe. I think this is intricate in when the
Speaker 1: Mormon Church is going to switch from you know, a
Speaker 1: church with some esoteric still left after the Reformation to
Speaker 1: basically a corporation and involved in government dealings often, and so.
Speaker 3: Sorry, heide, you're good.
Speaker 4: I just want to say one thing really quick, is
Speaker 4: that there's an idea in sort of like the more
Speaker 4: mystical esoteric abala like more cabbala that's like looking for
Speaker 4: God rather than magic, that if you create a bureaucracy
Speaker 4: or corporation that's inherently clipolithic, so it's inherently inverted, it's
Speaker 4: inherently of you can say the double like, I don't
Speaker 4: personally believe in that technology, but I'm just I'm giving
Speaker 4: that as like a more easily discernible way to understand.
Speaker 4: So the idea of creating corporation is magical in and
Speaker 4: of itself, because even a charter is a treaty, right, Like,
Speaker 4: there's something very mythritic about that. Yeah, say, the structure,
Speaker 4: so they're taking out the esoterica, like the something Nick
Speaker 4: often talks about, right, Like, they take out the esoterica,
Speaker 4: but the structure around everybody, this corporate structure, you could say,
Speaker 4: is inherently magical, just right.
Speaker 1: They definitely did, and I do feel like they are.
Speaker 1: I mean, the only problem that I have with magic
Speaker 1: for people is this even though I'm a Christian and
Speaker 1: I don't practice magic per se, Like I don't do
Speaker 1: magical spells or things. I don't tell anybody else what
Speaker 1: they can and cannot do. But I do think this
Speaker 1: the Mormon Church is inherently left handed because they may
Speaker 1: people do things that they do not understand, they don't
Speaker 1: explain them, and then they harvest that energy. At least
Speaker 1: that's my opinion. So I don't think it's good at
Speaker 1: this point. Do I think it started that way? I
Speaker 1: have no idea what the real intention for that was.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. But you know, with the Reformation
Speaker 1: and Brigham Young, I think the changes were that they
Speaker 1: were going to control that and they did, you know,
Speaker 1: But I think you're right. I think I think if
Speaker 1: they were more honest, it would be a better way
Speaker 1: to be, you know, like, hey, we do this magic stuff.
Speaker 1: You want to come like sure?
Speaker 5: So do you think yeah? Do you know?
Speaker 6: I think that they do this still today, even the
Speaker 6: corporate version of Mormonism there.
Speaker 1: You know they do. Oh but yeah, they lie. They
Speaker 1: lie to us all the goyam right, their members that
Speaker 1: are there just to do the services that they harness
Speaker 1: that energy. And at the top level they use it.
Speaker 1: But those people don't have any idea that they're making
Speaker 1: a difference in the ether, because that's the whole point
Speaker 1: of doing any kind a ceremony, Like why else would
Speaker 1: people do it? Because it works? Right? Maybe not all
Speaker 1: the time, but I think a fair amount of time
Speaker 1: these things work. And you know, we may not fully
Speaker 1: understand it, but I feel like that is so unfair
Speaker 1: for somebody to not know what a mason is and
Speaker 1: b one that. Yeah, and I think it's sad. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's sad. And the corporatization of it, I
Speaker 1: don't think changes for their esoteric side. In fact, slowly
Speaker 1: but surely, they let out little by little more. You know,
Speaker 1: the prophet brought out the magic cat. I bout dropped
Speaker 1: my soda. I was like, whoa, what are we doing
Speaker 1: over here? Skull moonnes guy?
Speaker 2: You know you know Heidi. I want to ask you.
Speaker 2: I don't remember your story completely from when you first
Speaker 2: told it. Did you get married in a Mormon church?
Speaker 1: Oh? I got married at the temple?
Speaker 2: Yes, when Carl. When Carl was on and he said
Speaker 2: he did his marriage at the temple. He said, you
Speaker 2: started getting near the end, it was blatantly like free
Speaker 2: mason it, but.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what a free mason was.
Speaker 2: Well that's yeah, see yea. I think it was the
Speaker 2: same thing for him. He didn't notice until left the
Speaker 2: fact He's like, oh, wait, that's what all that was, Like,
Speaker 2: I think it, yeah.
Speaker 1: And they're they're super weird about it. And actually, I
Speaker 1: speculate not just masonry, but okay, this is my theory.
Speaker 1: Now I do a show on this. I've done a
Speaker 1: show on this, and I've done a really deep dive
Speaker 1: on it. I truly believe there was more than masonry
Speaker 1: involved with Joseph Smith. I believe he's a Martinist. I
Speaker 1: believe he's a practicing solomonic magic practitioner that does freemasonry,
Speaker 1: which is what a martinist is, because they say you
Speaker 1: can contact a spirit two times a year on the equinox,
Speaker 1: in the spring in the fall. And when did he
Speaker 1: get the plates? He got him in the fall equinox.
Speaker 1: I think he was summoning, and I think he was
Speaker 1: doing it purposely, because if you listen to the stories
Speaker 1: that seem ridiculous, like oh, this toad came out and
Speaker 1: punched him in the face, right, You're like Oh, my gosh,
Speaker 1: she's just crazy. That's so funny. That's the first level, right,
Speaker 1: and then you start learning things and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: which is familiars are toads, right, And they tried to
Speaker 1: change it to a salamander, which is forged by the
Speaker 1: fire and not burned and really magical and good on
Speaker 1: the good side of things. And so I think that
Speaker 1: that was set up. I think a lot of things
Speaker 1: were set up to make it look better than it was,
Speaker 1: or pregame, you know, pregame that because it's going to
Speaker 1: come out. I think Kafmacot's screwed.
Speaker 6: Those are some good points, Heidi. What are your thoughts
Speaker 6: on the actual origin story then? Do you I mean,
Speaker 6: as far as the chronological series of events that that
Speaker 6: you know, Joseph Smith allegedly followed to start the Woman Church,
Speaker 6: do you find any listity in those things.
Speaker 1: I think the story that they put out is true,
Speaker 1: that the neighbors and everybody say that he dressed all
Speaker 1: in black at three o'clock in the morning and was
Speaker 1: going out and you know, summoning every year, you know,
Speaker 1: and then his brother died and they dug him up.
Speaker 1: And there's a news article that I got on that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like, come on, Yale is only ever
Speaker 1: sank and one other skull and bones, and it is
Speaker 1: hearing you taught the university of you taught, and they
Speaker 1: sent people here to do that that has never been
Speaker 1: done before or since. That doesn't make any sense if
Speaker 1: these people are like, hey, I'm running for my life
Speaker 1: because I want to be a polygamist. Leave us alone. Hey, President,
Speaker 1: can we help you build the railroad? What?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 6: You were saying there, But it's kind of the same
Speaker 6: family as there, right when you look at the school
Speaker 6: and bones, you got the tasks right.
Speaker 1: It is it is. That's what I'm saying. It's all related.
Speaker 1: But people don't know this. I mean, like, if you
Speaker 1: told me this ten years well, how long have I
Speaker 1: been out twenty years ago? I would have been like
Speaker 1: anti Mormon propaganda, you know, I mean right, like they
Speaker 1: keep us saddled in good But yeah, I think it
Speaker 1: was a magical system. And I think, you know, they
Speaker 1: never tell us the little things like when he got
Speaker 1: sick with typhoid fever that he went to his uncles
Speaker 1: in Salem to heal and he was there with his
Speaker 1: uncle Jesse for a long period of time, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that makes more sense. I wonder what he taught him
Speaker 1: or Luman Walters. That's a whole rabbit hole, you know
Speaker 1: that nobody goes down and just the fact of Luhman's
Speaker 1: name alone light Bringer, like come on, like there's too
Speaker 1: many you know, right, Yeah, just esoteric presentation of how
Speaker 1: what I really think? Yeah, I think it's very esoteric.
Speaker 1: And do I say that that's terrible in every weight? No,
Speaker 1: I just think they need to stop lying to people,
Speaker 1: because if you're going to teach people some of these things,
Speaker 1: especially with solomonic magic, that is not something they should
Speaker 1: just be willy nilly flipping around, you know. Sure, but yeah,
Speaker 1: they have the sigil of Mammon for the melchiztic simple
Speaker 1: It's there's too many funny coincidences at this point for me.
Speaker 5: But I don't disagree with you there at all.
Speaker 6: I often question whether or not really anything changed under
Speaker 6: this corporate right, you know, I wonder what it was
Speaker 6: like being a regular, you know, practicing like a Mormon. Yeah,
Speaker 6: a regular practice, you know, member of the congregation. Because
Speaker 6: you know, oftentimes today people miss miss uh it's a
Speaker 6: misperception of the situation relative to polagamy right practice in
Speaker 6: the upper echelon.
Speaker 1: It messes it all up. It's because you know, at
Speaker 1: the end of every single one of these things that
Speaker 1: we talk about, Okay, let's do parsons. You know, they're
Speaker 1: out in the desert. They're also offering a sexual magic
Speaker 1: John d they swap wy have sexual magic, polygamy with
Speaker 1: you know, Joseph Smith, polygamy with Mohammed also child bride. Like, okay,
Speaker 1: you're looking at the payback there. There's always something faustian
Speaker 1: when you get in with these entities, it seems, and you.
Speaker 6: Know, relative just interjectoral quick world to what I was.
Speaker 6: The point I was getting with the polygamy was in
Speaker 6: the in the magic and how it made these things
Speaker 6: in my mind, these things still go on today because
Speaker 6: they've always gone on right, Yeah, by the congregation, it
Speaker 6: was practiced by the like the upper echelon.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 6: I can't the guy's name is skipping my mind at
Speaker 6: the moment. He was the mayor of Nauvoo. He got
Speaker 6: out in the in the in the general in charge
Speaker 6: of the militia, and Smith ousted him. And he's the
Speaker 6: one who whistle blue on the uh on the plagamy,
Speaker 6: but it wasn't when he being you know it was
Speaker 6: it was it was very compartmentalized.
Speaker 5: I guess what I'm getting it.
Speaker 1: Obviously it was yeah for sure, y, Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't just polygamy. It was polyamory at that point, honestly,
Speaker 1: Like they want to label it as polygamy and I'm like, uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. And then you start looking at the
Speaker 1: Oneida like Colt Sex, you know, and you think about
Speaker 1: why doesn't Joseph Smith have more kids? And then you
Speaker 1: think about the tantra type stuff that was happening. I'm like, hah.
Speaker 1: I mean the more you learn, the more you know,
Speaker 1: and you're just like, oh, well, was that what was
Speaker 1: going on? Is this you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: is that why he doesn't have more kids? Or is
Speaker 1: it because they own the DNA site? I don't know,
Speaker 1: but you know, I just think that, yeah, there's definitely
Speaker 1: two different factions. And you know, justin brought up in
Speaker 1: the Quorum of the Twelve, you know, there's a committee
Speaker 1: that does the political side of things that doesn't answer
Speaker 1: to anybody religious, including the prophet. So that tells you
Speaker 1: everything you need to know. You know the Special Committee.
Speaker 1: It's called like the Special something Committee, right, And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: well that tells you. You know, they're not on their
Speaker 1: board either're just like Howard Hughes wasn't. So. I just
Speaker 1: think that if Mormons were more honest at the top level,
Speaker 1: I think at this point they would have people beaten
Speaker 1: down their doors if they were like hippy dippy woo
Speaker 1: woo astrology magic practicing in this day and age, I mean,
Speaker 1: people love it. Do Am I going to go do that? No,
Speaker 1: it's not my thing, but I think that at least
Speaker 1: then people would be honest. I mean, sure, but that's
Speaker 1: that's my thing. I think you're absolutely I'm not sure
Speaker 1: exactly who I'm talking to each time, but it's definitely
Speaker 1: es certating for sure. You know it?
Speaker 5: JJ this, JJ.
Speaker 1: Thanks.
Speaker 5: I was going to say the X too many Mormon
Speaker 5: questions for you I can think of.
Speaker 6: So in regards to Freemasonry, what what do you think
Speaker 6: the why do you think they're still hiding that today?
Speaker 6: I mean, obviously in my opinion, well, I have a
Speaker 6: lot of opinions about the origins of Mormonism. I've done
Speaker 6: a lot of genealogy work in town town offices in
Speaker 6: the state of Vermont where I come from, the New England,
Speaker 6: and I've seen some some some information that suggests that
Speaker 6: people requesting or demanding not to be baptized for the
Speaker 6: dead in their Last one Testament six years prior to.
Speaker 5: Smith. Smith's alleged creation of Mormonism.
Speaker 6: But nonetheless, it seems like it grew out of the
Speaker 6: anti Freemasonic party there in New York.
Speaker 1: You know, he kind of scooped up Morgan's wife there,
Speaker 1: So I do think you a part of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he was a part of doing So
Speaker 5: was it more accepted then?
Speaker 6: Did everyone know then? Even though it grew out of that,
Speaker 6: was it was? It seemed like it may even well
Speaker 6: more well known publicly. I think it was connection.
Speaker 1: I think it was more well known. But his specific
Speaker 1: branch I don't think was with the Martinism. You know,
Speaker 1: even now Dan Vogel gets on a kick and he's like,
Speaker 1: it was not Martinism. I'm like, the more you guys
Speaker 1: do that, the more I'm like, I'm right, I'm right.
Speaker 1: And so I just I watched this stuff and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it makes more sense if if it was a practitioner
Speaker 1: of that of Solomonic magic with the masonry, that they
Speaker 1: would keep it under wraps, right, because then it's I mean,
Speaker 1: what happened to the witches in Salem, Like they're not
Speaker 1: going to like this, and so I think that's a
Speaker 1: big part of it. But if you look in the
Speaker 1: past histories, they were in caves still doing crazy stuff
Speaker 1: like they don't talk about that and signey rigged and stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, like they don't want to get into it,
Speaker 1: and so they buried their history. They've glossed it over
Speaker 1: with a shiny coat of paint, and now they're just
Speaker 1: like all CIA people. I'm like, that's weird. But that
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like how it started, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, we can read they say it was a
Speaker 1: dumb farm boy, but yet okay, you can't write English,
Speaker 1: but now you're studying to write Hebrew. Okay. Sure, you know.
Speaker 1: I think they were just hiding everything, and I think
Speaker 1: they do that a lot now. I think they're masters
Speaker 1: of the hidden, for sure. Do I think I think.
Speaker 6: All these things still continue today. I don't think they've
Speaker 6: changed one one bit of their operations.
Speaker 1: And it's maybe other than the hiding, yeah, Mark, Yeah, Well, I.
Speaker 5: Mean maybe they got better at it, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, because you know, the uh, maybe.
Speaker 6: Tougher folks to consider that, because they do appear to
Speaker 6: be a large corporation today. But it's the same families
Speaker 6: and it's passed down to you know, in these blood lines,
Speaker 6: and I think these are really much family secrets.
Speaker 1: And and if we get into bloodlines, there's another part
Speaker 1: of the key, right, because we're going to get into
Speaker 1: the thirteenth blood line and who do they say it is?
Speaker 1: And if you go to certain polygamy sex, right, we
Speaker 1: go to the Kingston's. Why do they still enter Mary
Speaker 1: they marry to their sisters and brothers and cousins, right,
Speaker 1: Why do they do that because they're keeping their bloodline?
Speaker 1: Why do they care? Because they say they're the thirteenth
Speaker 1: bloodline and that they're the blood line of Jesus Christ
Speaker 1: And they say that, So, I mean, when you look
Speaker 1: at some of that stuff, you're like, wait, where did
Speaker 1: that come from?
Speaker 6: I was gonna ask you that same question. I'm not
Speaker 6: familiar with that narrative. So the Kingston under the Kingston
Speaker 6: u NI Kingston clan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what they They believe that they are the
Speaker 1: actual bloodline of Jesus Christ, and they married their brothers
Speaker 1: and sisters and they keep try to keep their bloodline pure.
Speaker 1: But they're rich enough that now. I mean, they obviously
Speaker 1: caused a lot of birth defects and everything, so they
Speaker 1: got enough money behind them because they're very rich and
Speaker 1: they support all these political people, and they decided.
Speaker 5: Where do they trace that back through the bloodline? Did
Speaker 5: Jesus Christ? Do you know what?
Speaker 1: The They say that he had a child and.
Speaker 6: That sure, so's it's like a templar kind of holy blood,
Speaker 6: holy real.
Speaker 1: Situation exactly, and that Joe's smith was half tribe of manassa,
Speaker 1: half tribe of what's the one Ephraim, and that he
Speaker 1: was the perfect specimen to bring the two back together.
Speaker 1: That's what they say. So I'm like, oh, that's weird.
Speaker 1: I mean, I only know certain things that I know
Speaker 1: because my sister married Warren Jeff's nephew, So oh, okay,
Speaker 1: so they're divorced now. But he yeah, he's great. Hi, Isaac.
Speaker 6: I was actually down the street from the Warren Jeff's compound, inadvertently,
Speaker 6: completely indvertently, I was. It was a good fellow Air
Speaker 6: Force base. The day I got raided in the compounds
Speaker 6: about his.
Speaker 1: Kids were there? Yeah, his kids. He was trying to
Speaker 1: get his kids at that point because they weren't. He
Speaker 1: was out and they wouldn't give him to him because
Speaker 1: he's he's in the line of succession. And I'm like, also,
Speaker 1: if you do genealogy, you know, I'm sure for you.
Speaker 1: I mean, are you your New England? You're not from
Speaker 1: Utah area.
Speaker 5: No, I'm only a convert to Mormonism.
Speaker 1: Okay, so my bloodline, bull, you only go up three
Speaker 1: and it's all royal people. Why the heck were they here? Why?
Speaker 1: Why why were all these royal people just coming out
Speaker 1: here and taking off? You know, I got house, suburban,
Speaker 1: I got I got who else? With Marie Antoinette and
Speaker 1: the Orleans I'm like, why did my great great great
Speaker 1: grandpa just make a town in South Africa and then
Speaker 1: decide to renounce the throne and come out here and
Speaker 1: be a weird Mormon and poor?
Speaker 5: You know, No, I'm tracking.
Speaker 6: I mean, obviously the Mormons got me with genealogy at
Speaker 6: a young age. So I've been One thing I discussed
Speaker 6: a lot of is this American history and the families
Speaker 6: of which it comes from. You know, and obviously a
Speaker 6: lot of it is very Mormon. But yeah, so in
Speaker 6: my history, I actually grew up in a town that
Speaker 6: is deep, deep in the Mormon history, in Vermont, North
Speaker 6: So if you.
Speaker 1: If you were going through that, how many royal lines
Speaker 1: did you find in those Mormons? It's wacko.
Speaker 5: Oh, it's it's everywhere. It's everywhere.
Speaker 6: Then they all went Mary, I mean, including my family tree.
Speaker 6: You know, so I'm familiar with these these families continue
Speaker 6: to keep it in the family.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and you know some of them still continuing
Speaker 1: to try and keep it in the family, which is
Speaker 1: you know, Utah should have done something about that.
Speaker 3: But sorry, Heidi, I'm going to jump in.
Speaker 1: This is jin That's okay.
Speaker 3: So I hear.
Speaker 4: I understood instantly when you said the like the sex
Speaker 4: magic and Tontra.
Speaker 3: Why Nick brought me on for this episode.
Speaker 1: Yes he didn't know, but I'm glad you're here.
Speaker 3: But we don't you know, we actually don't do that
Speaker 3: in Tontra.
Speaker 4: And you know, like what they what what people think
Speaker 4: sex magic or what we would call karmamudra is very
Speaker 4: different than the real thing. I've choken a lot about
Speaker 4: it with Nick and Lisa, and like how it can
Speaker 4: be Maybe I should stual.
Speaker 1: Say it Faustian. Yeah, maybe I should say they.
Speaker 3: Know it's totally okay.
Speaker 4: I just want to I just want to differentiate myself
Speaker 4: from Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't blame you, yes, yeah, but I think.
Speaker 4: Your idea on the mark tism and that he was
Speaker 4: contasting his high guardian angel is probably one of the
Speaker 4: more interesting ideas on like his history that I've heard,
Speaker 4: simply because like I can accept that, like if he's
Speaker 4: a magician, I can I can totally say stopt that.
Speaker 1: And I wish they'd stopped hiding it. And this is
Speaker 1: the thing, like even we can shelfast and I can
Speaker 1: show you guys some things in my other preson or
Speaker 1: we can come back or I don't know how long
Speaker 1: we have, but on this one, I'll show you some
Speaker 1: things that are absolutely magical and unexplainable when you look
Speaker 1: at some stuff like this, this is Joseph Smith's king. Well,
Speaker 1: we know not all wands are kinges like or little wants.
Speaker 1: Some of them are what staff's right, and this looks
Speaker 1: like a staff, and it looks like a serpent, and
Speaker 1: it's got an upside down cross on it, right, here
Speaker 1: and if you look at all of this imagery, very Masonic,
Speaker 1: and then you go to this as ahead of it,
Speaker 1: you know this is a serpent staff, that's what it's called.
Speaker 1: And it was Joseph Smith. But you know it's obscure
Speaker 1: real quick, yea. And I have two more to show
Speaker 1: you that are similar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that top part almost looks like maybe a play
Speaker 2: on like Hebrew or something else.
Speaker 1: Ye reason. And I'm just telling you guys like it
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense with the magic part out, because
Speaker 1: that's why Mormons are so confused, because they don't really
Speaker 1: know what's happening. And if you try to tell them
Speaker 1: this stuff, you're black pilling them and just screwing them up.
Speaker 1: But here's another one. This is the knob on this
Speaker 1: coffin k has his hair in it. They dug them up.
Speaker 1: This is real when we get back to wand's okay,
Speaker 1: So coffin kins, this is from them. They dug up
Speaker 1: Hiram and Joseph took the rotted body juice wood and
Speaker 1: made coffin keans and then cut their hair and put
Speaker 1: it in the top of those knobs. And that's why
Speaker 1: I bring pictures because they speak a thousand words. I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: if you don't understand what that means, you know, it's
Speaker 1: kind of important.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they're like a competing Masonic house, but they're not.
Speaker 4: They were kind of anti Mason, as JJ brought up,
Speaker 4: like they kind of started as anti Mason, but maybe
Speaker 4: they were.
Speaker 3: Just a competing faction of magicians.
Speaker 4: Like I think they also sold a competing theory of reality.
Speaker 3: So even though they're like connected.
Speaker 4: To this New England like Skull and Bones and they're
Speaker 4: those associations with that, they also maybe have like it's
Speaker 4: like it's always a game, right, I think that's something
Speaker 4: that you're touching on a lot of Heidie. It's like
Speaker 4: they like with Howard Hughes, he's like it's always playing
Speaker 4: a game, like the Masonic game. Like he's always trying
Speaker 4: to get the bigger, better business he's and he's exceeding.
Speaker 4: But it might not just be him. It might be
Speaker 4: he's playing the numbers, he's doing a little of this.
Speaker 4: He's like supported by the Intel. So it's like he's
Speaker 4: kind of created in a way. It's not really it's
Speaker 4: not just his like American ingenuity and spirit.
Speaker 3: It's like not.
Speaker 1: Only yet well and think of this, like when did
Speaker 1: when did Joseph Smith get killed when he started running
Speaker 1: for president? Like all of these things are are important.
Speaker 1: You know, we have to see when it starts mixing
Speaker 1: with the government and all of this stuff, like when
Speaker 1: we're talking about these parchments or the canes or any
Speaker 1: of this. You know, I feel like they're doing such
Speaker 1: a disservice to people by not just telling the truth.
Speaker 1: Because here's another one of those family parchments. Now you
Speaker 1: tell me what's going on, because I know because I've
Speaker 1: researched it a whole lot, and you know, I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 1: this particular one is what led me to John D.
Speaker 1: Because it's so obscure that the only other person that
Speaker 1: writes about it is John D. Because it's a Masonic password.
Speaker 1: So you know, when you start looking at all this
Speaker 1: stuff and then you know what's on the temple itself,
Speaker 1: all the cloudstones and moonstones and pentacles and pentagrams that
Speaker 1: are upside down by the way, you know, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: we'll stop saying you're just about this other like we
Speaker 1: believe in Jesus just like you. And I'm like, well
Speaker 1: to you though, because you call your God eloheme, and
Speaker 1: that's a plural. Sorry. And also the very top top
Speaker 1: blessing in the whole church, if you make it to
Speaker 1: the tippy top, you get it from a woman, and
Speaker 1: that just doesn't work out with their patriarchal society. So
Speaker 1: the Masons didn't like him either, because it's masonry for
Speaker 1: the whole family.
Speaker 6: So sure, no, I mean that's a good point in
Speaker 6: the masony. And back to what I was trying to
Speaker 6: say before about how I think he was more generally
Speaker 6: accepted that Smith was a Mason at the time and whatnot,
Speaker 6: and there was some sort of Masonic feud. The paper
Speaker 6: there in Kartha, Illinois, the day after he was murdered
Speaker 6: in the jail there published you know, the saying he
Speaker 6: was threw up the Mason's grand hailing sign of distress.
Speaker 1: Yes he did, and said is there no help for
Speaker 1: the widow's son? That's the last one part.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's right on the front page of the paper.
Speaker 6: You know, I think, you know, folks don't really have
Speaker 6: that context today. I think these things are more generally
Speaker 6: accepted back then, And have any sense things become more
Speaker 6: more hidden.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're scrubbing the current redo of the
Speaker 1: Salty Temple. I bet you when they unveil it, none
Speaker 1: of the stuff will be there. Like there's the Big
Speaker 1: Dipper is on everything, and this is important like an esotericism,
Speaker 1: the Big Dipper is on every single temple. However, Mormons
Speaker 1: are not allowed to study astrology. Okay, cool, right? What? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean Joseph was extremely interested in astrology, and there's
Speaker 1: excerpts I don't think I have it on here in
Speaker 1: his journal where he was writing astrology. He was super
Speaker 1: good at it. Like they want to say he's a
Speaker 1: dumb farm boy. Get out of here, Like, no way,
Speaker 1: the big.
Speaker 3: Is really interesting. Sorry to interrupt you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mind, that is incredibly interesting, just because it
Speaker 4: goes along with like the series that Nick has been
Speaker 4: doing with Mario from symbolic studies on like the kind
Speaker 4: of the true nor the Hyperborean sort of like Swastika system,
Speaker 4: and I think also astrology. Like I'm not a traditional astrologer,
Speaker 4: like everybody, all the rejects know this. I'm not a
Speaker 4: traditional astrologer, but I do know contric astrology, and so
Speaker 4: I can tell you that astro theology not necessarily the
Speaker 4: way it's been presented before, not even the way I present,
Speaker 4: but just in general that is the real, the true
Speaker 4: way to really understand a lot of this. But we
Speaker 4: also don't have to like think of it as like
Speaker 4: star religions. We can also think of it as like
Speaker 4: our self religions, like not that we work with themselves,
Speaker 4: but it's just it's more internal or more conceptual.
Speaker 1: Well, and for Joseph, I think, you know, it's interesting too,
Speaker 1: with the vast knowledge he had. You know, you have
Speaker 1: to look at one more thing. When he became a mason,
Speaker 1: he became a master mason the next day, So he
Speaker 1: rose to all the levels in a day. That doesn't happen,
Speaker 1: first of all, unless you can show some serious stuff.
Speaker 1: And I think he was not dumb. And I think
Speaker 1: he was not a dumb farm boy. And by the way,
Speaker 1: his brother went to Dartmouth. So I think their story
Speaker 1: has got a lot of holes in it, you know,
Speaker 1: I think they were very wise at what they did.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to weigh in one hired or the
Speaker 1: other about like magical practices. I'm just saying as for
Speaker 1: the population here in Utah, my grandma passed out dead.
Speaker 1: If she knew that she was possibly doing magic, like
Speaker 1: you know, it would not go over well, and so
Speaker 1: that's why they quit telling people. I think they just
Speaker 1: want them to do the rituals and they harness that
Speaker 1: energy one hundred percent. And when you look at the
Speaker 1: spires and there's six of them, it's really reminiscent of
Speaker 1: some other things. And I'm just like, hmm, well, I
Speaker 1: just feel like that's really unfair to people when you
Speaker 1: use them like cattle, you know. And I'll never shut
Speaker 1: up until the Mormon Church comes clean on their stuff
Speaker 1: and stops doing that, because that's not right. That's not
Speaker 1: right to do to people, you know.
Speaker 7: So, like you said, Heidi, I was gonna I was
Speaker 7: gonna interrupt you because I know we're getting in your end,
Speaker 7: and I wanted to insert this in. It's kind of
Speaker 7: a little bit of a tangent, but I wanted to
Speaker 7: ask you. You said Manchurian by proxy?
Speaker 1: Who was that?
Speaker 7: Howard Hughes or Joseph Smith.
Speaker 1: So the Manchurian part was Sir Hans, Sir Han and
Speaker 1: or I'm.
Speaker 7: Sorry, the Malcusian by proxy not Venturian.
Speaker 1: Sorry. Uh, let's see, I'm not sure what I want
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 7: You had said it was Howard Hughes. Well regardless, sorry
Speaker 7: you mentioned no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: That's okay. This is it connects.
Speaker 7: I promise you had mentioned that, and that was an
Speaker 7: episode in the X Files.
Speaker 1: Oh no, this goes the X Files. Yes, yeah, okay.
Speaker 7: So I I hypothesized that the episode of the Kelsari
Speaker 7: was about Howard Hughes and that it was about a
Speaker 7: boy who was raised by the Calcarian mystics, and the
Speaker 7: mystics come from Romania, Bulgaria area, and in the episode
Speaker 7: they they basically thought that the children were these Malcarians
Speaker 7: by proxy, and that they were being told that they
Speaker 7: have these things or have these illnesses, and therefore they
Speaker 7: had these illnesses.
Speaker 1: Right. Oh oh I get yeah, his it was Howard
Speaker 1: his mom with Munchausen by proxy. Yes, yes, I was
Speaker 1: trying to think about which which thing, I said, because
Speaker 1: we've been a little no no, no, that's which is fine.
Speaker 1: I don't know. And then you had.
Speaker 7: Mentioned about the Nazi connection, and in the episode they
Speaker 7: draw the swall on the little boy's hands, so that
Speaker 7: was another connection. And then when you look at the
Speaker 7: al the the Kelsari mystics, they I think the actual
Speaker 7: real worship is but they worship Mars. And I mean
Speaker 7: they say they're Christian, but it's not. It's it's a
Speaker 7: it's a Mars worship. But the other thing is that
Speaker 7: because you said that Howard Hughes had a green room, Uh,
Speaker 7: the elka Azaris have Green Week where they worship on
Speaker 7: a specific week. So I thought it was pretty interesting
Speaker 7: the connections. That's all I wanted to mention is yeah, but.
Speaker 1: That actually plays into the Mormons even more so than Howard.
Speaker 1: Howard rented that space and I think it was already
Speaker 1: done in the green thing, but he had like he
Speaker 1: had spent the week there with his girlfriend or something.
Speaker 1: But I will say this and and this is like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to get us in trouble though. Let's see,
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't what I can pull
Speaker 1: up here? Well, Nick kim blur, but if not. We
Speaker 1: made this as a joke for our episode. This is
Speaker 1: the temple clothing. We did a whole thing on the
Speaker 1: correlation between this guy and the Mormons and all of
Speaker 1: the people that were infiltrating into that area. It's very
Speaker 1: interesting how many people were there, including one of the
Speaker 1: prophets right here. This is Hebrew j Grant at the
Speaker 1: I don't know what I can say. At a dinner
Speaker 1: for them, and there's a flag there you can see
Speaker 1: the profit of the church, and you know, they're very racist.
Speaker 1: And I do believe the White Brotherhood is a very
Speaker 1: big part of this, and so was Howard Hughes. I
Speaker 1: do think it's what God JFK killed. A big part
Speaker 1: of it was that he was, you know, very incorporating
Speaker 1: black people. And also you know MLK and RFK were
Speaker 1: teaming up there for a minute and then he gets it.
Speaker 1: They both get assassinated. Like I find that very odd.
Speaker 1: Even when they were trying to push through the Equal
Speaker 1: rights the Equal Rights hiring Howard he said, no, I
Speaker 1: don't care, make it go away. I'm not doing it.
Speaker 1: But the church is very very interesting on race. I
Speaker 1: will tell you Brigham Young once said that if you
Speaker 1: found your wife in bed with somebody that was black,
Speaker 1: that you should run a knife through both of them
Speaker 1: rather than let them live. So that's it.
Speaker 5: Was it that goes into the modern or too though,
Speaker 5: doesn't it. I mean, they didn't let nt thing, they
Speaker 5: let black folks, especially until seventy eight, right.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I remember.
Speaker 6: I grew up with a with one black family, my
Speaker 6: ward and and the dude just stood up in the back.
Speaker 5: I remember even just like.
Speaker 6: It was just such a spectacle as a as a child,
Speaker 6: like wisest dude.
Speaker 5: Like they do their seats up here. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's exactly what he had been attending the church
Speaker 6: before he could be a member, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: And that's what he had to do apparently, was standing
Speaker 6: in the back.
Speaker 1: I know this that they did not change their policies
Speaker 1: until they almost had to write like people were going
Speaker 1: to stop going. And you know they said this about
Speaker 1: the black person, that not brown people. No misunderstandings, you guys.
Speaker 1: This was specifically against black people, is that they could
Speaker 1: only go to heaven, the full heaven, as a servant
Speaker 1: to the white man. So it gets yucky, you know.
Speaker 1: And I don't know that that policy really changed a lot.
Speaker 1: You still, I know the church will like push it
Speaker 1: and be like, yay, look at this interracial couple we
Speaker 1: have or whatever on this commercial. But you know, my
Speaker 1: niece is interracial, and I will tell you it's not
Speaker 1: a happy place to grow up and be in Utah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so it just listend.
Speaker 7: One more question do we happen to know the actual
Speaker 7: lineage of the Hughes by any chance.
Speaker 1: That I haven't looked into, and that would be interesting.
Speaker 1: I know she was a Dallas debutante and he was
Speaker 1: from Iowa, so we should I should look into that.
Speaker 1: I'll have to check them out. So being from Actually.
Speaker 5: I have not looked at that either. That's a good
Speaker 5: question I have.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, growing up in Texas and stuff like that,
Speaker 7: the Hughes are pretty big around Beaumont, Houston, Harris County,
Speaker 7: Galveston area or whatever, right, probably because of the oil
Speaker 7: and whatnot. But I want to speculate that I had
Speaker 7: heard that there was a lot of Missouri and what's
Speaker 7: it called Galveston Houston connection. And the reason I say
Speaker 7: that because I don't know when if there was immigration
Speaker 7: or when it happened, but around I believe mid eighteen
Speaker 7: hundreds you had a huge amount of German immigration into
Speaker 7: Galveston area, and most of them either settled in central
Speaker 7: Texas part of the whole oil boom area, and then
Speaker 7: a lot of them went into Missouri.
Speaker 1: I wonder I will check into that before we meet again,
Speaker 1: because I would be interested to see where he was
Speaker 1: so weird about it. He was audibly, he did not
Speaker 1: hide it, he did not care, and you know, he
Speaker 1: was pretty unapologetic. And so I think that's going to
Speaker 1: be important because you have to remember, like everybody we're
Speaker 1: putting together in this little picture, eventually, when we get
Speaker 1: to the point where we get towards the end, it'll
Speaker 1: all make sense why they aligned, right, including the Mormon Church,
Speaker 1: because they are bedfellows with people that are similar to them,
Speaker 1: and that's going to be an easy sell, you know,
Speaker 1: and they're also you know, it shows their allegiance with
Speaker 1: you know, if JFK stayed in, things would have been
Speaker 1: more integrated, more rapidly, whereas Nixon was not about that.
Speaker 1: And that is why Howard Hughes made sure to own him,
Speaker 1: and he paid him through his brother allegedly, so you know,
Speaker 1: we get into these things, and he had many politicians
Speaker 1: in his pocket. He gave him a loan that he
Speaker 1: didn't have to pay back. So I don't know that
Speaker 1: that's alone. I mean, and when we're talking about even
Speaker 1: the banker, you know, how did the banker get the money?
Speaker 1: He tapped the Teamsters union fund. What well, why is
Speaker 1: this white colored guy doing that? He was the first
Speaker 1: one to ever do it ever. And you know, you're
Speaker 1: looking at these people, all these bedfellows together, and it's
Speaker 1: all ancient history right until it's still going today. Like
Speaker 1: JJ said, I think some are maybe I'm not sure
Speaker 1: who said which one, but somebody said stuff was still
Speaker 1: going today. And I do think that, yes, this stuff
Speaker 1: is all pertinent to clear to today. And so when we
Speaker 1: talk about these people, they all end up later like
Speaker 1: in very prominent positions, you know, and when you get
Speaker 1: into the German episodes like that I've done in the past,
Speaker 1: they were the ones that that started. Okay, so IBM,
Speaker 1: all those cards, all the little race cards that IBM had,
Speaker 1: they actually, huh, they actually were a part of that
Speaker 1: through the Mormon Church, through Howard Hughes is a different company,
Speaker 1: the ones that were uploading everyone's genealogy into that because
Speaker 1: they requested them from the CIA, and I have the
Speaker 1: draft on that. I will find that for next time,
Speaker 1: where the Mormon Church actually put in a foia requests
Speaker 1: for all of those to come to them so that
Speaker 1: they could put them in so that they could have
Speaker 1: them for their giant DNA in the in the side
Speaker 1: of a mountain wall and I do mean wall it's
Speaker 1: no mistake that the NSA is right down the road
Speaker 1: with the FBI and the IRS and the Hill Air
Speaker 1: Force Base and all the other things here. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's a coincidence. And they blew the side of
Speaker 1: a mountain now so that they could house their gigantic
Speaker 1: DNA and they have a Batman cave and nobody can
Speaker 1: go in there, and it's got razor wire and there's
Speaker 1: only one way in, and you can see it's like
Speaker 1: this big, it's super tiny, and they've got like armed
Speaker 1: guards here. Why they're just genealogical records, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: it seems a bit excessive. This is one hallway. This
Speaker 1: looks like an Indiana Jones movie, you know. And the
Speaker 1: thing that I postulate often, and I do a show
Speaker 1: on this, is look at the size of the drawer.
Speaker 1: You're talking about a file. They're not going to be
Speaker 1: tiny like that. But I do know one thing that
Speaker 1: looks just like that. That's a letterbox drawer size of
Speaker 1: a letter, normal letter. And I'm a nurse and I've
Speaker 1: done many a PKU stab from the soul of a
Speaker 1: foot of a newborn, and I've filled out those cards
Speaker 1: so much times and they're just happened to be that size.
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying that they did do anything wrong,
Speaker 1: but they're pretty powerful. And you know, their top holding
Speaker 1: is Microsoft, you know, And funny enough, when all that
Speaker 1: stuff was happening and they were getting all the stuff
Speaker 1: from IBM, Bill Gates's mom was on the board of
Speaker 1: IBM at that time. And not only that, but the
Speaker 1: number one shareholding to this day for the Mormon Church
Speaker 1: is Microsoft. Well that's interesting. So when you know that
Speaker 1: and you put it all together, you're kind of like, huh.
Speaker 1: And it's not just Microsoft, Elon, They've got Tesla, Nvidia,
Speaker 1: it's all of that. But the number one land holding
Speaker 1: for farming now in all of America is Bill Gates,
Speaker 1: but the number two is the LDS Church. So do
Speaker 1: I think they're in bed together? Yeah. I think they're
Speaker 1: a huge part of the nWo. And I don't think
Speaker 1: they really hide it that much. It didn't take me
Speaker 1: too many deep dives to find a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it gets weird. And you know when they
Speaker 1: get into x files and everything that comes up, Tesla
Speaker 1: comes up, van over Bush comes up on here, like
Speaker 1: all kinds of weird areas where you know, you're talking
Speaker 1: about people that handled those files in real life, like
Speaker 1: not the movie. You know, gets weird.
Speaker 7: It's funny you mentioned Vaneran Bush because they say there's
Speaker 7: no connection, but he was very, very heavily involved in
Speaker 7: the Philadelphia experiment.
Speaker 1: So he was the protege of Tesla, and he was
Speaker 1: the first person that they called to go in when
Speaker 1: everything happened with Tesla, and he died to go in
Speaker 1: the apartment like non apartment, hotel room where he was
Speaker 1: because they were all afraid they thought someone was going
Speaker 1: to blow up. But because he was the protege of Tesla,
Speaker 1: then that's why they sent him. And I mean, you
Speaker 1: know that gets into you know, our current president, and
Speaker 1: so does the JFK files where Roy Kohene is on
Speaker 1: the board of perm Index and it's this big giant
Speaker 1: circle where it's literally the Oro Boros, Like I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, yeah, it's all of them. And I
Speaker 1: think that just it's so weird that everybody just kind
Speaker 1: of goes I don't want to deal with that because
Speaker 1: it is weird, you know, But I think the Mormons
Speaker 1: are the nicest people ever, and that gives them kind
Speaker 1: of a, I'm gonna push stop sharing on this so
Speaker 1: we can talk. It kind of gives them the ability
Speaker 1: to sneak around, just like we talked about Bob Bennett.
Speaker 1: It gave him the ability to sneak through because he's
Speaker 1: so nice. Right. They teach them like mk ultra talkie
Speaker 1: talk like it's weird. If you've ever heard their speeches
Speaker 1: or listen to you know, the Mormons talk at church.
Speaker 1: It's see song. It's very it's very programming. And so
Speaker 1: I think that it all fits together. I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, it makes sense. And then when you tell people, no,
Speaker 1: I think the Mormons are behind it too, not just
Speaker 1: the one word. We won't say, you know, we'll see Kazars, Kauzarians. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll go that route. Yeah, I'm not going to say
Speaker 1: that one. And so you know, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: just them. I think that they're just the only ones
Speaker 1: out front. You know. And the Mormons slippy too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, they had at least one hundred had at
Speaker 6: least one slush fun with one hundred and twenty million
Speaker 6: dollars in it.
Speaker 5: But I question that's the only one.
Speaker 1: Oh, I bet there's so many. And when you get
Speaker 1: into people like every time you turn around, like Elon Musk,
Speaker 1: his number one money man is Jared Birchall. And where
Speaker 1: did they meet dig in tunnels at the boring company?
Speaker 1: Like all of this goes so far that I'm like, whoa,
Speaker 1: what is happening? And where did they just dig a
Speaker 1: big tunnel at in Las Vegas? And why so that
Speaker 1: the teslas can go in it and go underneath the traffic?
Speaker 1: My eye, they did not do it for that reason.
Speaker 1: They're looking for stuff. No way, sure, no way.
Speaker 3: Sorry.
Speaker 4: I just want to say something that Lisa brought up
Speaker 4: that you have brought up, Heidi, is that the idea
Speaker 4: of the Mars worship. But there's like the kind of
Speaker 4: like the the and the elohem like that's a name
Speaker 4: for the host of Jupiter. So that's so interesting because
Speaker 4: there's a Mars and Jupiter should always be in dialectical
Speaker 4: relationship with each other. They should always be in synthesis,
Speaker 4: in balance. That's kind of the idea.
Speaker 1: And so the Jupiter talisman was in Joseph Smith's pocket
Speaker 1: when yes.
Speaker 4: Yes, I said, I saw from the picture. But then
Speaker 4: he also had the knife of Mars, so I thought
Speaker 4: that's so interesting. So clearly you could use this early
Speaker 4: system of Mormonism as like a magical a real magical
Speaker 4: methodology like do stuff, not just like you know, it's
Speaker 4: not just larp at it. But do you think Heidie
Speaker 4: that that it has degraded because my theory is that
Speaker 4: magical ideas are more, they're more in the world, people
Speaker 4: talk about them much more openly. But then also like
Speaker 4: a lot of the real knowledge, like the real skill.
Speaker 4: It doesn't take even that much skill, but just even
Speaker 4: the real knowledge of how to do it is like
Speaker 4: much more degraded than it used to be.
Speaker 1: I think with the Mormons, I think it's just like
Speaker 1: JJ said, I think it's for the elite. I think
Speaker 1: that they don't share this stuff with the peons of
Speaker 1: the church that ended up supporting them. They support them,
Speaker 1: they're the ones that get And I know Justin and
Speaker 1: I talked about this a lot. What do they do
Speaker 1: when you first meet a Mormon? And me and Justin
Speaker 1: talked about this. He's like, Okay, explain the magic part
Speaker 1: to me, because he wasn't. He didn't really know. And
Speaker 1: we spent a lot of time on the phone, and
Speaker 1: I said, what's the first thing the Mormons do when
Speaker 1: they talk to you, they give you something free. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's a book, but what color is it? It's blue?
Speaker 1: And if you know anything about all this stuff, it
Speaker 1: makes sense. And then what happens if you know the
Speaker 1: process of that, they get something tenfold back because you
Speaker 1: get ten percent on tithing. It makes one hundred percent
Speaker 1: sense when you know the reason why. But it took
Speaker 1: me two years to figure all that out. So I mean,
Speaker 1: a normal person isn't going to spend their time every
Speaker 1: single day, like eight hours a day trying to figure
Speaker 1: stuff out. They're just not going to do that, and
Speaker 1: so I think a lot of it's degraded for that
Speaker 1: simple reason. They're hiding it. They don't want to seem
Speaker 1: out there or weird. But yet they're all in these
Speaker 1: secret societies. So they're inward and weird, weird, we'll say weird,
Speaker 1: but they're secret. You know, they're doing all this and
Speaker 1: keeping it for themselves only. And the profit of the
Speaker 1: church is a hundred. I mean, clearly they're using it.
Speaker 1: He's a hundred. He's using it for extension of life.
Speaker 1: And why do you do necromancy in general like baptisms
Speaker 1: for the dead? Necromancy is so you can know things
Speaker 1: before they happen, and have a knowledge of things before
Speaker 1: they occur. What do we call the profit? The profit
Speaker 1: seer and revelator tell me they're not using it and
Speaker 1: six spires, Like, honestly, it all makes sense. And when
Speaker 1: I have an old book and I'll find it, I
Speaker 1: took a picture of the back page because the and
Speaker 1: they say things are weird. They're like, oh, just just
Speaker 1: take that and hide that and then don't ever show
Speaker 1: anybody that again and sell that book. Right, So I
Speaker 1: go by him and I found this really cool old
Speaker 1: book on masonry, and it had a diagram in the
Speaker 1: back with all the astrology signs and how the temples
Speaker 1: lined up. And it's a very specific and Joseph Smith
Speaker 1: told them to do it specifically with like all the
Speaker 1: months and the moon phases, all kinds of stuff. It's
Speaker 1: not just a building. There's all kinds of stuff there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think there's a lot that they hide.
Speaker 6: So yeah, yeah, I think I think it's you know,
Speaker 6: like I said, like, you know, we've already discussed it.
Speaker 5: I think all these people at the top, they all
Speaker 5: should still do it today.
Speaker 6: And I learned early on in my Mormon childhood there
Speaker 6: that you don't ask about magic.
Speaker 5: Are aliens? No?
Speaker 6: No, I know they get rolled tight around there if
Speaker 6: you start asking about magic and aliens. And I kind of,
Speaker 6: you know, learning scientology later in life, learning about scientology.
Speaker 6: Not that I was scientologists, but I'm interested in ancient
Speaker 6: alien cargo cults such as Mormonism and scientology. You can't
Speaker 6: ask about xenu until you get like, you know, way
Speaker 6: up in the system. So I kind of let's how
Speaker 6: I kind of view about the ld S is the
Speaker 6: same respect.
Speaker 1: Well, that's how the Mormons are exactly about the Mother
Speaker 1: in Heaven if you've noticed, that's exactly it. And I
Speaker 1: honestly believe that that it's a divine feminine energy that
Speaker 1: they're they're pulling like at the top. I true, we
Speaker 1: believe that even though they're a patriarchal society, that's how
Speaker 1: they function through. But ultimately, all the channeling and all
Speaker 1: that stuff goes to the highest level with the female
Speaker 1: giving that anointing. For the second anointing that you know
Speaker 1: basically makes your place sure in the celestial kingdom, that's
Speaker 1: given by a woman in your marital bedroom, well it
Speaker 1: should be, it's not I think they do it in
Speaker 1: the temple now, but they keep changing all everything.
Speaker 3: So that's very contract.
Speaker 4: That you just described is very contract, like the single partner,
Speaker 4: not the.
Speaker 1: Right right, like the marital huh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be a very that would be a contract.
Speaker 4: Concerts job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's something real, that very real.
Speaker 1: I think they do that. And I think that you know,
Speaker 1: even when you ask when you're little, JJ, I don't
Speaker 1: know if this happened to you. I would ask my
Speaker 1: grandma like, well, what about the mother in heaven? Oh,
Speaker 1: she's too sacred, we don't mention her. Like that just
Speaker 1: screams to me, knowing what we know now that that's
Speaker 1: the truth. You know that they're worshiping certain things that
Speaker 1: they just don't want people to know. And the funny
Speaker 1: thing is is if you go back far enough. And
Speaker 1: I know this because me and Justin were talking about
Speaker 1: who was in Who's line one night on genealogy and stuff,
Speaker 1: and this one lady. He's like, oh, that's your last name.
Speaker 1: Oh you're related to this one lady that had the
Speaker 1: most patriarchical blessings, that had the best outcomes. I'm like
Speaker 1: a woman gave him. He's like, well, yeah, she's like
Speaker 1: your relative. And he was like, we were talking about
Speaker 1: how it goes down, and he's like, you know, that
Speaker 1: would be one of your relatives in the direct line,
Speaker 1: and we were talking about it. He goes, they quit
Speaker 1: having women do it after Joseph died, And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of more sense because Brigham he
Speaker 1: was different. He wasn't the same as Joseph. He was
Speaker 1: way more stern and patriarchal.
Speaker 4: So yeah, sure, that's very interesting because a lot of
Speaker 4: left hand path groups also have a sort of mother
Speaker 4: in Heaven figure out. I'm not saying that about falsism,
Speaker 4: more about NTRA, about any anything else, but I just
Speaker 4: have noticed this trend towards like a feminine divine force
Speaker 4: or a focus on the feminine divine force.
Speaker 3: And then also yeah, I think yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 4: Ghosts are notoriously unreliable for scrying, so do not anyone
Speaker 4: less I going to do that shose.
Speaker 1: This whole book of Mormons ride. Yeah, I think, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, it just depends on how much trouble you want,
Speaker 1: because like Kelly started getting stabbed with swords and stuff,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't try it. But that's just me with fake swords, right,
Speaker 1: that's what.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 1: Anyway, good old Joseph and his magic rock. But then
Speaker 1: we've got the two Ice Stone here with Atlantis, and
Speaker 1: we'll get to that too. And you know, the X
Speaker 1: files come in, Bush comes in all kinds of stuff,
Speaker 1: the Bay of Pigs, and it really is just a
Speaker 1: big oro boros of just rupt people, so unfortunate.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much, Heidi. That was a lot
Speaker 2: of information too. That was great. Thank you for the
Speaker 2: pictures and everything. I love that.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: For people who happen to be listening to the audio,
Speaker 2: there was visuals, so if you want, you can go
Speaker 2: back and check out the videos. I highly suggested everybody.
Speaker 2: I got GIN and I got JJ's links in the
Speaker 2: bottom if you want to check their stuff out in Heidi,
Speaker 2: one more time, let everybody know where they can find
Speaker 2: your work.
Speaker 1: Please absolutely, I'm Heidi love of the Unfiltered Rise. I'm
Speaker 1: everywhere podcasts are served. I do have my own podcasts
Speaker 1: at Unfiltered Rise podcast dot com and give us a checkout.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you very much, and your links will
Speaker 2: be in the bottom. And again, uh, Lisa Jin and JJ,
Speaker 2: thank you very much for joining us with today. That
Speaker 2: was a great talk and very interesting and I definitely
Speaker 2: look forward to the next one. And uh and until
Speaker 2: the next one, everybody be well.
Speaker 3: Later