Speaker 1: Coming to you from Studio A Here at Proven Winners
Speaker 1: Color Choice Shrubs. It's time for the Gardening Simplified radio
Speaker 1: podcast and YouTube show with Stacy Hervella, me, Rick Weist,
Speaker 1: and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. So here we
Speaker 1: are at the end of twenty twenty four, and boy,
Speaker 1: time flies when you're having fun, get out the old
Speaker 1: record player and be inspired. We need to hear from
Speaker 1: the chairman of the board, Old Blue Eyes himself, Frank
Speaker 1: Sinatra regrets. I've had a few, but then again too
Speaker 1: few to mention. I did what I had to do,
Speaker 1: and I saw it through without exemption. I planned each
Speaker 1: charted course, each careful step along the bye way, and
Speaker 1: more much more than this. Well we did it our
Speaker 1: way right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think the Frank Sinadra song That's
Speaker 2: Life can also apply looking back at the garden over
Speaker 2: the past year.
Speaker 1: But yes, exactly. Well, you know, if I'm out and
Speaker 1: about and i'm place where they're doing karaoke, I've got
Speaker 1: to get up there and do a little Frank Sinatra myself.
Speaker 1: Although it's usually New York, New York. We started the
Speaker 1: year in twenty twenty four with your resolutions the resolutions
Speaker 1: of our listeners and our viewers, and we heard you.
Speaker 1: You love plants, you want better watering solutions which include
Speaker 1: drip irrigation and the capture of rain water, less waste,
Speaker 1: and more efficiency and control. Labor Saving Tips was a
Speaker 1: popular show that we did. You're interested in drought tolerant
Speaker 1: plants and you're going to learn about flash drought coming
Speaker 1: up in segment four and taking the irritation out of
Speaker 1: irrigation and Stacey I learned also that resolutions don't necessarily happen,
Speaker 1: because here we are at the end of the year
Speaker 1: and my tool shed is still a mess.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's the intention that counts when it
Speaker 2: comes to resolutions. At least you intended for things to
Speaker 2: to go a certain way, doesn't mean they always happen.
Speaker 2: Your heart was in the right place.
Speaker 1: My heart was in the right place, of course. In
Speaker 1: this past year, also we had our one hundredth episode
Speaker 1: that was a lot of fun. We talked about garden
Speaker 1: Topia and we celebrated by discussing that topic, essentially, how
Speaker 1: we love turning our outdoor spaces into a living space,
Speaker 1: a piece of well, let's say, piece of magic right
Speaker 1: in our own backyards and so that was fun to
Speaker 1: talk about too. But I think what was really great
Speaker 1: this past year, Stacey, was both of us having the
Speaker 1: opportunity to show the progress on our gardens and how
Speaker 1: they're coming along. And you know, you made a real
Speaker 1: impact with that. I'm going to call it a bold
Speaker 1: move you made in your neighborhood.
Speaker 2: I did make a bold move, and yeah, that was
Speaker 2: definitely it had a real cascading effect on others parts
Speaker 2: of the garden. I'm going to talk about that in
Speaker 2: segment too, because you know, every year, if you're a gardener,
Speaker 2: you learn. Every year there's you always learn something, usually
Speaker 2: more than one thing, but a lot of stuff. And
Speaker 2: this year, for a variety of circumstances that I will
Speaker 2: get into, it was just a tremendous learning year. And
Speaker 2: you know, it takes a bold move to get bold results.
Speaker 2: So no regrets, if anything. I've been spending the last
Speaker 2: couple of weekends feeling pretty darn sad that I'm not
Speaker 2: sitting out in the garden.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, me too. It really affects me at
Speaker 1: this time of the year, and looking forward to you
Speaker 1: talking about that. For me, of course, in my garden,
Speaker 1: I learned that I love the combination of cannas and
Speaker 1: ornamental grasses that I don't miss dealing with turf. I
Speaker 1: have nothing against turf, but I just don't miss having turf,
Speaker 1: especially the watering aspect of it. I just don't miss it.
Speaker 1: You can landscape with deer pressure. Building your soil at
Speaker 1: the end of the season is important and well planted containers.
Speaker 1: They of course can change from year to years, so
Speaker 1: they give you variety and provide the exclamation points in
Speaker 1: a landscape design. And Stacey a couple shows that we
Speaker 1: did too. There was a lot of interest in rhythm,
Speaker 1: repetition and layering in the landscape. Now that's another thing
Speaker 1: I learned this past year. I say layering strange.
Speaker 2: That did sound a little strange, Yes.
Speaker 1: It does, And people pointed that out to me. So
Speaker 1: what is it is? It almost sounds like I'm saying
Speaker 1: Larry okay.
Speaker 2: But layering, Yeah, you're taken out a syllable.
Speaker 1: Am I kind of okay?
Speaker 2: But you know again, languages here to be understood. I
Speaker 2: knew what you meant, and that's what really matters.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I'm just pointing that out because I recognize
Speaker 1: it and I'm working on it. There is another thing
Speaker 1: that I learned, and we learned on the show is
Speaker 1: that there's a big interest in easy to grow plants,
Speaker 1: and that show was very, very popular. And why not because, again, Stacy,
Speaker 1: as we said many times over the course of this
Speaker 1: past year, we do live in the golden age of
Speaker 1: plant breeding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know that whole concept I've always I know,
Speaker 2: people love to talk about easy to grow plants because
Speaker 2: they want big results with little effort. And we all do.
Speaker 2: I mean, even as a professional horticulturist. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: want to work super hard to get a little bit
Speaker 2: of results. I want to work very little and get
Speaker 2: a lot of results, exactly. And when we did our
Speaker 2: nostalgia show and we had those great pictures, those vintage
Speaker 2: gardening photos, it really hit me that so many people
Speaker 2: automatically assume that plants are going to be higher maintenance
Speaker 2: based on these antiquated practices that really aren't that relevant anymore.
Speaker 2: And yes, I would say that, you know, almost all
Speaker 2: plants nowadays are going to give you huge results with
Speaker 2: little effort, and it then just becomes a matter of
Speaker 2: you picking the right plants for your conditions so you
Speaker 2: don't have to, you know, break your neck trying to
Speaker 2: take care of them.
Speaker 1: Well said, Well said, we got a quote from a
Speaker 1: listener that really resonated with us, Adriana, myself, you, And
Speaker 1: that is just a simple comment. Shade is hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't know. I barely have any but I
Speaker 2: take their word for it that you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: we do have to make plant recommendations frequently for people
Speaker 2: who deal with shade, and yeah, it does limit your
Speaker 2: plant palette. But I've got a quote in response to that,
Speaker 2: and it's a quote that I use a lot when
Speaker 2: I do garden talks by Orson Wells. The enemy of
Speaker 2: art is the absence of limitations. Without any limitations and
Speaker 2: you have unlimited options, it's very difficult to do anything.
Speaker 2: So when you have that limitation, even though it's shade,
Speaker 2: and you say, okay, I've got to make something magical
Speaker 2: with these five or ten plants or whatever, then you
Speaker 2: can make art. But if you have unlimited options, you
Speaker 2: don't even know where to get started.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful, That is really good. Yeah, there was big
Speaker 1: interest in the subject. As a matter of fact, the
Speaker 1: show that we put together about sunshade and part Shade
Speaker 1: and explaining plant light needs. If you want to look
Speaker 1: it up, it's episode seventy five. That show was very,
Speaker 1: very popular. And then it was after that we heard
Speaker 1: from doctor Allan Armitage who says, it's common sense, no
Speaker 1: such thing. There's no such thing as a sun loving
Speaker 1: or shade loving plant. Plants don't love anything. They tolerate.
Speaker 1: It's a shade tolerant or sun tolerant plant. And then
Speaker 1: he went on to say that he his point, this
Speaker 1: is his opinion. He feels that a sun tolerant plant
Speaker 1: is a plant that can handle the sun during the
Speaker 1: hottest part of the day one to four pm in
Speaker 1: the afternoon. So, for example, a hosta can take a
Speaker 1: lot of morning sun that it can't take that afternoon. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I agree with that completely, especially as a full
Speaker 2: sun gardener. If it's looking bad in that one to
Speaker 2: four range, especially when you try not to water and
Speaker 2: or you have very andy soil, you start to questions
Speaker 2: inclusion in your garden exactly.
Speaker 1: You know, you go back and you think about all
Speaker 1: the things that we talked about in this past year,
Speaker 1: and it was a learning year. One thing that I
Speaker 1: learned and really struck me was the fact that the
Speaker 1: show about edging really resonated with people. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people are no different than you and Iah.
Speaker 1: They struggle with edging.
Speaker 2: It's not a fun or easy or inexpensive thing to
Speaker 2: resolve in your yard. And once you make that investment,
Speaker 2: it is worth it. But it's definitely going to cause
Speaker 2: some financial pain to come up with a good financial pain,
Speaker 2: physical pain from installing it. All of the above. It's
Speaker 2: a come with a good edging solution. It is one
Speaker 2: of the biggest challenges in the garden, no question.
Speaker 1: You bet. And we continue to learn and moving forward,
Speaker 1: we continue to learn because well, let's face it, life
Speaker 1: comes at you fast and things are changing very quickly
Speaker 1: in this world of AI. And one episode that we
Speaker 1: did this past year that I really liked, and Stacy,
Speaker 1: you led the charge on this. I like to call
Speaker 1: the episode Liar Liar Plants on Fire. People are gifting
Speaker 1: right now, and we talked about how the internet is
Speaker 1: teeming with fake AI generated plants and digitally manipulated photos,
Speaker 1: and we gave some tips on how to spot them.
Speaker 1: This is an issue that's not going to go away.
Speaker 2: No, And you know, it did seem like it went
Speaker 2: away when kind of the main gardening season, you know,
Speaker 2: went down. People weren't shopping online as much anymore. But
Speaker 2: I have every confidence they come February March, it's all
Speaker 2: going to come roaring back. It's going to be worse
Speaker 2: than it was before. In fact, my mom sent me
Speaker 2: a picture the other day that she had gotten off
Speaker 2: some social media site. It was clearly fake. It was
Speaker 2: like purple butterflies, like literally butterflies, and say like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is a whatever begonia and then it put in
Speaker 2: big letters, this is not AI And it's like, oh, well, okay,
Speaker 2: then if you say so, you know, and so, yeah,
Speaker 2: we do have to be on alert. We should. Maybe
Speaker 2: maybe we'll have another Hall of Shame this coming spring,
Speaker 2: after the ads really start rolling out.
Speaker 1: Let's do that. I'm going to watch for that. I
Speaker 1: really like that. And of course finally we were reminded
Speaker 1: what gardeners have. There is always something to look forward to,
Speaker 1: and you don't get old when you are looking forward
Speaker 1: and stacy. Of course, personally, that's something I learned this
Speaker 1: past year, getting my Medicare card and turning sixty five.
Speaker 1: It was momentous for me. But I'm holding on to
Speaker 1: that that gardeners never get.
Speaker 2: Old, No, because there's always something to you know, to
Speaker 2: get up for. And I have known so very many
Speaker 2: gardeners who have lived well into very old age nineties,
Speaker 2: late nineties, hundreds, because Yeah, there's something about it that
Speaker 2: either keeps you mentally, physically or spiritually young. Not sure which.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm looking forward to the next segment. Stacy's going
Speaker 1: to share with us more on her project that really
Speaker 1: resonated with people, a bold move in her neighborhood that's
Speaker 1: coming up next here on The Gardening Simplified Show.
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Speaker 2: Gardening friends, and welcome back to The Gardening Simplified Show.
Speaker 2: It's our last show of twenty twenty four, which is
Speaker 2: wild to think about.
Speaker 1: I believe you know.
Speaker 2: It's like every year we go through these backdrops and
Speaker 2: then I'm like, oh, it's the spring backdrop already, it's
Speaker 2: a summer backdrop already, and it just kind of feels
Speaker 2: like the whole year just accelerates and I can't believe
Speaker 2: we're already at the end. But you know, I, like
Speaker 2: most people do, get really reflective at the end of
Speaker 2: the year about all sorts of things. But yeah, this
Speaker 2: was definitely a massive year in the garden. And like
Speaker 2: I said, you always learn every single year. You're learning
Speaker 2: stuff in the garden. Oh I like that plant. Oh
Speaker 2: I don't like that plant. I'm never planting that again.
Speaker 2: You know. Oh, I am definitely going to deadhead that
Speaker 2: northern seaoats before winter, even though it's pretty, because I
Speaker 2: don't want northern seaoats coming up everywhere. Ask me how
Speaker 2: I know that one. But you know, this year has
Speaker 2: definitely been a huge one for me. So the videos
Speaker 2: are available on our YouTube channel. But I did a
Speaker 2: huge project. So we took out our entire lawn. Now
Speaker 2: not like I have a huge yard, it's a regular
Speaker 2: suburban quarter acre lot, but we took on all the grass.
Speaker 2: Called a company had them take out the grass, and
Speaker 2: that was kind of an ongoing process. They did it,
Speaker 2: there was mistakes, we had to wait and then they
Speaker 2: came back and then finally Memorial Day weekend we get
Speaker 2: twenty eight yards of mulch delivered to replace all of
Speaker 2: this grass that's gone away, and we have basically, you know,
Speaker 2: almost like a clean slate.
Speaker 1: Wow. Was there a specific thing that tipped the scales
Speaker 1: to cause you to do that or is this something
Speaker 1: you've been always dreaming about and doing it?
Speaker 2: It's a great question, and I can't really pinpoint one
Speaker 2: specific thing. But you know, I always had imagined that,
Speaker 2: you know, our yard would not just be like grass
Speaker 2: with some beds, that it would be, you know, a
Speaker 2: full garden that you go through. And you know, it
Speaker 2: took me and my husband a long time, I think,
Speaker 2: to kind of figure out what we want to do.
Speaker 2: And that's a little bit frustrating to spend a lot
Speaker 2: of time, but you need to know where do we
Speaker 2: hang out, where do we gravitate towards, where's the light good?
Speaker 2: Where is their shade? You know, when we come home
Speaker 2: on a summer afternoon, where's the shade that we can
Speaker 2: sit in because we have a very sunny yard. So
Speaker 2: it took us a long time, I think, to identify,
Speaker 2: you know, what we wanted out of it, and I
Speaker 2: think last year it all came together and so yeah,
Speaker 2: by the time this year rolled around, we had decided
Speaker 2: that we were going to go for it, that our
Speaker 2: grass was terrible such than it was are weed patch,
Speaker 2: which is basically what it was barely alone, you know,
Speaker 2: that it was terrible and not you know, not worth
Speaker 2: really keeping, and that we were just ready to go
Speaker 2: for it, and no regrets. We're both really happy. Still
Speaker 2: have a long way to go. Twenty twenty five is
Speaker 2: going to be a big phase two year, but I'm
Speaker 2: very excited about it. And yeah, So one of the
Speaker 2: biggest things though that happened as a result of all
Speaker 2: of this work with the lawn removal is it kind
Speaker 2: of messed up my usual vegetable garden planting. Okay, you know,
Speaker 2: like I said, I did not get the mulch in
Speaker 2: until Memorial Day weekend, so the end of May, very
Speaker 2: last weekend in May. Now, most people in Michigan here, yeah,
Speaker 2: most people in Michigan have their vegetable gardens like ready
Speaker 2: to go, like they're basically just waiting for things to
Speaker 2: grow and watering at that point. And I have not
Speaker 2: even put a single vegetable in the ground at this point,
Speaker 2: because you know, I had put the vegetable garden in
Speaker 2: in the new place where it was going to go,
Speaker 2: it would be impossible to try to maneuver around it
Speaker 2: and put the mulch. So we just waited. So that
Speaker 2: means that I did not plant my vegetable gardeners even
Speaker 2: start planting it until the first weekend in June.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Now, a lot of people would probably say it's not
Speaker 2: even worth it, not even going to bother, but no,
Speaker 2: not me, because I was excited, you know, if we
Speaker 2: got this big project. And also I know, okay, maybe
Speaker 2: things will be a little bit late, but that's okay,
Speaker 2: So get seeds, you know, get all of this stuff,
Speaker 2: get ready to do it.
Speaker 1: I want to quickly mention that is significant for those
Speaker 1: of you who do not live in Michigan and are
Speaker 1: watching and listening to the show, because this was one
Speaker 1: of those years where we had our last frost date
Speaker 1: like the third week of April.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very early.
Speaker 1: People were busy planting.
Speaker 2: Early, definitely, And if I had been, you know, ready,
Speaker 2: I might have planted like some lettuce and greens and
Speaker 2: those kind of spring crops earlier, but I had nothing.
Speaker 2: So on top of this already late start, I had
Speaker 2: gone to get tomato plants at this great place out
Speaker 2: in Detroit. I've got amazing the nicest tomato plants I
Speaker 2: have ever purchased at the best price. I mean, I
Speaker 2: always hype to plant these tomato plants so much so
Speaker 2: that I let I took them outside. The night before
Speaker 2: I was gonna plant them. They had been sitting on
Speaker 2: my porch because, you know, deer. I have a terrible
Speaker 2: deer problem. I have a lot of deer visiting, and
Speaker 2: deer love tomatoes. Not something that people, I think would expect,
Speaker 2: but they are crazy about tomatoes. They have like a
Speaker 2: you know, like they can't help themselves. When there's a
Speaker 2: tomato plant around, they just eat it to a nub.
Speaker 2: So I think, okay, well, I'm gonna get the tomato
Speaker 2: plants out there. I'm gonna get them ready to go.
Speaker 2: So tomorrow morning I'm gonna get up, I'm gona hit
Speaker 2: the gron running and start planting. But of course I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna leave them out because of the deer, so
Speaker 2: I put them under my picnic table. Now, my picnic
Speaker 2: table is one of those big old fashioned type you know,
Speaker 2: with that's all connected into one, so there's not really
Speaker 2: a lot of space between the bench and the table. Well,
Speaker 2: I woke up the next morning and gosh darn it,
Speaker 2: those deer stuck their stupid little faces in between the
Speaker 2: table and the seat to eat every single part of
Speaker 2: those tomato plants that they possibly can. And it couldn't
Speaker 2: have been comfortable. I mean they would have had to
Speaker 2: contort and twist their neck in such a position to
Speaker 2: get these tomatoes. But they took every single bit of
Speaker 2: them that they could reach, Oh dear, every single and
Speaker 2: I had I think I had six plants under there,
Speaker 2: and did Detroit. I was tempted. But you know what
Speaker 2: what I realized is I looked at these nubs. I said,
Speaker 2: they are nubs with a lot of roots, and that's okay.
Speaker 2: I saw the potential and you know of tomato. Of course,
Speaker 2: when I say nubs, I mean there was like maybe
Speaker 2: an inch or two, like there was really nothing left.
Speaker 2: But you know, I got some some extra plants from
Speaker 2: a friend who had too many, so I had some
Speaker 2: that were kind of full size. But I went and
Speaker 2: I planted them anyway, and I said, all right, I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna hope for the best. I'm going to fertilize them,
Speaker 2: which of course I would do anyway, but I gave
Speaker 2: him a little extra fertilizer, like maybe every week instead
Speaker 2: of every two weeks like I usually do. And when
Speaker 2: tomato season hit, no, I did not have any tomatoes.
Speaker 2: Everyone else did. But let me tell you, four weeks
Speaker 2: after peak tomato season, I had the best crop of
Speaker 2: tomatoes I have ever had in my entire life. Nice shocking,
Speaker 2: I mean, the most beautiful tomatoes, the tastiest tomatoes. They
Speaker 2: were largely free of any kind of like pasts or disease.
Speaker 1: Maybe you should do it again, I think I might.
Speaker 2: And so this is what it really is all about
Speaker 2: to me, is that this, you know, what would seem
Speaker 2: to be a setback at the beginning of the season
Speaker 2: actually ends up being a great opportunity to learn and
Speaker 2: to really question the conventions that we practice a lot
Speaker 2: in garden. You know, we just assume like, hey, this
Speaker 2: is the way it's always been done. And it really
Speaker 2: kind of brought home to me how dangerous and you
Speaker 2: know that mentality is to have it is much better
Speaker 2: to take that experimental approach, whether it is by necessity
Speaker 2: or you know, just because it happens that way, or
Speaker 2: because you want to try it that way. So never
Speaker 2: ever be discouraged and say, oh, well, so and so
Speaker 2: told me that if I plant tomatoes in the middle
Speaker 2: of June, I'm never going to get any tomatoes. It's
Speaker 2: worth it. The other thing along these lines, that was
Speaker 2: probably one of the biggest discoveries, and this is something
Speaker 2: that I am definitely doing from here on out. That
Speaker 2: late start on the vegetable garden also meant that I
Speaker 2: planted dill. I believe it was also like the first
Speaker 2: or second weekend of June. Now, most people would plant
Speaker 2: dill in spring, like probably early May or something like that,
Speaker 2: but no, this still got planted sometime like first half
Speaker 2: of June, and I had the most gorgeous and productive
Speaker 2: and lush I have ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Right now, Usually when people plant dill, it gets like
Speaker 2: a skinny little stem. You know, by the time the
Speaker 2: cucumbers are coming in your dell's like barely holding on
Speaker 2: for dear life. You probably got to go to the
Speaker 2: farmer's market to buy some if you're gonna make pickles.
Speaker 2: But I planted it late and it did gloriously. It
Speaker 2: was honestly the nicest dell I've ever seen. It was
Speaker 2: like a grocery store a bunch of dill or something.
Speaker 2: It's deal and it was and it flowered and flowered,
Speaker 2: so it didn't just do that one kind of bolting
Speaker 2: thing where it gets like one stick with one flower
Speaker 2: on top. It was just covered in flowers. It was
Speaker 2: actually an attractive garden.
Speaker 1: Plants and the aroma.
Speaker 2: I love dill, and you know, when you have enough
Speaker 2: of it like that, you can use it a lot more.
Speaker 2: Usually you're kind of like, you know, plucking off individual
Speaker 2: leaves that aren't like sad and yellowed as you try
Speaker 2: to make your your pickles or whatever. So I am
Speaker 2: definitely going to be sewing dill at different points in
Speaker 2: the season. So rather than just do you know, like
Speaker 2: one crop in spring, I will definitely be sewing dill
Speaker 2: in that sort of early to mid June timeframe and
Speaker 2: hoping for a repeat. And I was harvesting that stuff
Speaker 2: into November, not even lying.
Speaker 1: You know, you inspired us to plant more garlic. Now
Speaker 1: I think you're inspiring us to try more dill next
Speaker 1: year in the garden.
Speaker 2: I mean that's cool, right, It is really cool, And
Speaker 2: so you know that's what I would just encourage anyone,
Speaker 2: you know, give things a try experiment mix things up.
Speaker 2: If you say, like, oh, you know, I can't grow dill,
Speaker 2: it's just two weak and it's not a good plant.
Speaker 2: I mean maybe by shifting things a little bit you
Speaker 2: could have great results. It's like we had a question
Speaker 2: from a listener last week about she said that she
Speaker 2: had squash bugs in Mexican bean beetles. Yeah, and most
Speaker 2: of the recommendations to thwart those pests is to actually
Speaker 2: plant a little bit later than usual because they have
Speaker 2: adapted their life cycles to our planting cycles. So it
Speaker 2: can be really amazing. Again, whether it's because of X
Speaker 2: sternal factors or a decision that you made, or whatever,
Speaker 2: there's always something to learn. And it has just been
Speaker 2: an incredibly eye opening year for me, and I'm just
Speaker 2: really really grateful for that opportunity, and it makes me
Speaker 2: even more fired up for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: We use a lot of basil in our garden. Did
Speaker 1: you grow a lot of basil?
Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh, I had the best basil. Adriana is
Speaker 2: laughing because she came over and saw my basil and
Speaker 2: couldn't even believe her eyes. I mean, and I did
Speaker 2: end up planting them in twenty inch containers, which did
Speaker 2: obviously help, and I did fertilize them okay, which also helped.
Speaker 2: But my basil were like the size of like boxwoods.
Speaker 2: I think they were like three feet tall by three
Speaker 2: feet wide. I had more basil than you know what
Speaker 2: to do with, and honestly, it all came from one
Speaker 2: six inch pot that I bought at trade her Jaws.
Speaker 2: So we'll definitely be doing that again.
Speaker 1: You have basil instincts, I do.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I always happy to talk about vegetable gardening,
Speaker 2: and just again as a note of encouragement, always be
Speaker 2: open to the pop stabilities in the garden and of
Speaker 2: course in life as well. So we're going to take
Speaker 2: a break. When we come back, we're going to give
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Speaker 2: your garden or not. And since we are talking about
Speaker 2: what we learned this past year, it reminded me of
Speaker 2: a saying that's common among gardeners. You got to grow
Speaker 2: it to know it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, makes sense.
Speaker 2: And we talk a lot about a lot of different
Speaker 2: plants on the show, and a lot of times I think,
Speaker 2: you know, our listeners will get really excited about something,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's it's good to kind of use
Speaker 2: that as your initial spark to grow something, but nothing
Speaker 2: is a substitute for actually having it in your garden.
Speaker 2: And there are so many plants that I have, you know,
Speaker 2: obviously learned about working here, Plants that I have seen
Speaker 2: here in our trial gardens right around Studio A, as
Speaker 2: well as in our display gardens not far away. You know,
Speaker 2: plants that I've seen for years and it's not until
Speaker 2: I bring them into my own garden that I just
Speaker 2: my eyes are truly opened. It's so different when they're
Speaker 2: in your own hands versus when you're just seeing them
Speaker 2: at a public garden or at a nursery or anything
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: I experienced that with my neighbors, and they will see
Speaker 1: plants that I'm growing and then they're like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm going to try that, and they go out. And
Speaker 1: I had a neighbor who did that with Pugster bugg
Speaker 1: nice one. Yeah, this pasture and loves them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, if I figure hates if something is
Speaker 2: going wrong, I can at least ask grict what's going on,
Speaker 2: and it'll help me with it.
Speaker 1: I'll come over and help, you know.
Speaker 2: For me, the plant that really totally changed the way
Speaker 2: that I think about it, and it's not today's plan
Speaker 2: on trials. It's already been a plant on trial, but
Speaker 2: it's just so emblematic of this approach is lemone lace elderberry.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So of one of our most popular plants. It and
Speaker 2: I've always admired it, I've always liked it, but when
Speaker 2: I had it in my own garden, I fell in
Speaker 2: love with it, and it is one of my absolute
Speaker 2: favorite plants. I just love the way that it looks.
Speaker 2: It's just there's just something so different about bringing it
Speaker 2: into your own space versus just kind of observing it elsewhere.
Speaker 1: See and that plant for me is der villa. Now
Speaker 1: do you call it deer villa or durvilla?
Speaker 2: I say der villa?
Speaker 1: Okay, so dr villa, the kodiak der villas.
Speaker 2: Oh great, lan.
Speaker 1: Once I got that into my landscape, saw how it
Speaker 1: was drought tolerant, the fall color, and I had that
Speaker 1: same experience with that plant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's so wild, like you think that you're
Speaker 2: just looking at the same plant, but it really does
Speaker 2: make a huge age difference. So I would encourage you
Speaker 2: to always, you know, take that risk, find a place
Speaker 2: to put something in your garden. Remember you can always
Speaker 2: move it. As Rick so often says, his plants are
Speaker 2: eligible for frequent flyer miles. Has our mind, many many
Speaker 2: things have been moved, and yeah, it does set them
Speaker 2: back a little bit, but you know what, it's worth
Speaker 2: it to get the look that you want. And that's
Speaker 2: how you learn. Again, this is all about learning and
Speaker 2: uh and really that's that's what I love about gardening
Speaker 2: is I could never you know, I've got to learn
Speaker 2: something new every day. That just keeps you, uh and
Speaker 2: you have to fail now and then definitely have to fail.
Speaker 2: But you know, I don't. I don't like garden failures
Speaker 2: get me down too much. You just I just kind
Speaker 2: of say, well, I'm not going to buy that again.
Speaker 1: Oh same here. That's why we have a compost pile exactly.
Speaker 2: But today's plan on trial I wanted, since we're talking
Speaker 2: about what we learned, I did want it to be
Speaker 2: a plant that I actually grow in my garden. And
Speaker 2: most of those because I am so enthusiastic about them,
Speaker 2: if they've earned a spot in my garden because the
Speaker 2: colors work, or the habit works or whatever, I've already
Speaker 2: covered them as plants on trial. So I had to
Speaker 2: dig a little deeper for this one. But it's a
Speaker 2: plant that definitely deserves it's dew and it is glow
Speaker 2: girl birch leaf Spyria. Have you ever grown this plant?
Speaker 1: I have not grown it. I'm aware of the plant,
Speaker 1: have not grown.
Speaker 2: Right, So it is actually a native Spyria. Now, most
Speaker 2: people when they think of Spyria, they're thinking of either
Speaker 2: the bridal reaf Spyria, which she has the white flowers
Speaker 2: for us here in Michigan in may Or. Of course,
Speaker 2: the Japanese spiria, which is the tidy, little mounded guy
Speaker 2: with pink flowers usually in June for us, and those
Speaker 2: are great Sviyria. They are definitely the most common. But
Speaker 2: they're both native to Asia, so most people don't realize
Speaker 2: that there are actually a number of Spyriea that are
Speaker 2: native to North America.
Speaker 1: And that's interesting. But I want to hone in on
Speaker 1: something here. Then you said something that I think is
Speaker 1: really profound. The plant has to earn a spot in
Speaker 1: your garden. In my garden, Yeah, why does this plant
Speaker 1: earn a spot?
Speaker 2: Well, for a couple of reasons. Number one, it is
Speaker 2: native and it's in my native plant garden. Now, I
Speaker 2: don't have like an absolutist native mentality towards my garden
Speaker 2: because I have a lot of different gardens I have.
Speaker 2: You know, I have a succulent garden. I'm working on
Speaker 2: a new African garden of plants that are native to Africa,
Speaker 2: so I like to mix it up. I have a
Speaker 2: little Asian inspired garden just based on where the plants
Speaker 2: are from. So, you know, because space is still limited,
Speaker 2: I don't have an arboretum at my disposal. It has
Speaker 2: to be something that first of all, can withstand the
Speaker 2: conditions in my yard, which are not which are challenging
Speaker 2: sun drought because I have really sandy soil, and I
Speaker 2: try not to provide supplemental water because I don't want to,
Speaker 2: and of course dere so that's it's tall order.
Speaker 1: You know, if you're keeping score at home, Stacey and
Speaker 1: I both live along the Lake Michigan shore line. You're
Speaker 1: a little further south than me, but same kind of condition.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean my garden was once upon a time
Speaker 2: a sand dune, so now it's a sand dune that
Speaker 2: houses on it.
Speaker 1: But we also benefit from the tempering effects of Lake Michigan,
Speaker 1: so you know, you win some and you lose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, That's why I can do things like grow rosemary,
Speaker 2: and you know, I have a lot of other plants
Speaker 2: where I'm really kind of you know, figs, I have
Speaker 2: a fig kind of flirting with the hardiness on those plants.
Speaker 2: But birch leaf Spyria earns a place in my garden
Speaker 2: because it is native and because it's just a very
Speaker 2: pretty hard working plant. And I think of this one
Speaker 2: and the way that I've used it in the garden
Speaker 2: is kind of a quote unquote shoes and socks plants.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you'll hear garden writers talk about that, and basically
Speaker 2: what it means is it's just going to be kind
Speaker 2: of that low front of the border plant. I have
Speaker 2: mine planted under a giant elderberry, and what it does
Speaker 2: is brings color and just a really really nice texture
Speaker 2: in spring. This is an early to emerge plant, which
Speaker 2: is nice. Every garden needs some of those, a mix
Speaker 2: of all of those, and when it is in flower,
Speaker 2: it is just it's just like toothachingly pretty. Glow Girl is.
Speaker 2: So it's a birch leaf spiria, as you might guess
Speaker 2: by the name. The foliage is shaped like birch leaves,
Speaker 2: kind of if you use your imagination, a little bit
Speaker 2: kind of like an oak leaf Hydrangea in that regard.
Speaker 2: And what makes birch leaf which makes glow Girl spiria
Speaker 2: different than other birch leaf spiria, is its foliage is yellow.
Speaker 2: So it has like a you know, some yellows can
Speaker 2: be really kind of brash and bright, and I do
Speaker 2: like bold colors, but this is really just kind of
Speaker 2: an elegant, soft yellow that is glowing. As you might
Speaker 2: guess by the name glow girl in spring. Great companion
Speaker 2: for bulbs. I love it with bulb, especially Camassia, which
Speaker 2: is a native bulb that has blue flowers. A little
Speaker 2: bit later and sprang, great combination there and yeah, and
Speaker 2: then it's just covered in clusters of white flowers. So
Speaker 2: the flowers themselves do resemble a bit of bridal respirea.
Speaker 2: But I think this plant offers so much more than
Speaker 2: bridal respiria because again, it has the tidy mounded habit
Speaker 2: of the Japanese spiria that people like so well, and
Speaker 2: it has that golden foliage, so it's a really nice combination.
Speaker 2: It also has amazing fall color.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that's great. And you're going to force me
Speaker 1: to say the word again, even though I don't want
Speaker 1: to say it. Layering. It is. The birch leaf spirea
Speaker 1: is a perfect candidate, as you called it shoes and
Speaker 1: socks for layering it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it is a great choice for layering. Now, we
Speaker 2: do have it in our literature as reaching three to
Speaker 2: four feet tall and wide, and I will tell you
Speaker 2: mine has never come close to reaching that. I think
Speaker 2: probably because it is so dry, so it's drought tolerant.
Speaker 2: Enough to be able to with and growing with no
Speaker 2: supplemental irrigation. But as is often the case, if you
Speaker 2: aren't providing those additional resources, or you don't have a
Speaker 2: clay soil that's really moisture retentive, then it is going
Speaker 2: to generally be a bit shorter. So it kind of
Speaker 2: has a stunting effect, which actually works perfectly for me.
Speaker 2: I have no complaints about that. It's a really nice
Speaker 2: kind of one to two foot for me. But if
Speaker 2: you do have it in more water, you know, or
Speaker 2: in wetter conditions, it will definitely grow a bit more. Now,
Speaker 2: I will say it does have one liability that you
Speaker 2: should know about if you're thinking about it, and that
Speaker 2: is that rabbits love the flowers. They leave the plant
Speaker 2: mostly alone. They don't really, you know, cause any substantial
Speaker 2: damage to the plant. But if your main reason for
Speaker 2: growing birch lely Spiria is going to be the flowers
Speaker 2: and you have rabbits, you probably aren't going to have
Speaker 2: a lot of flowers. Because it blooms on old wood
Speaker 2: because it's an earlier blooming spirea blooming in spring. And
Speaker 2: what I've always found, and this is true of multiple
Speaker 2: early blooming shrubs that are low growing. The rabbits are
Speaker 2: just so hungry at the end of fall beginning of spring,
Speaker 2: and here's this plant, you know, putting energy into some nice, tender,
Speaker 2: delicious flower buds, and the rabbits find them absolutely irresistible.
Speaker 2: Of course, you could use you know, a netting or
Speaker 2: a repellent or something like that, but honestly, I do
Speaker 2: feel that Globe Girl birch Lee spirea is pretty enough
Speaker 2: that even if it doesn't flower, it's still worth growing
Speaker 2: because the foliage is so attractive, the texture is so great,
Speaker 2: the shape is so great, and you're gonna get fall
Speaker 2: color on top of all that. It turns kind of
Speaker 2: like a reddish pink and yellow and orange.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I love when a shrub or a tree kind of
Speaker 2: shades from darker colors on the outside to the lighter
Speaker 2: colors inside. And it does that. It's such a pretty feature.
Speaker 1: And another benefit, Stacey, This is a hardy plant, isn't
Speaker 1: it It is.
Speaker 2: It's extremely hardy and extremely heat tolerant, which is wild
Speaker 2: hardy all the way down to USDA Zone three, heat
Speaker 2: tolerant all the way to USDA Zone nine, so almost
Speaker 2: everyone in our listenership no matter where you're at, can
Speaker 2: actually grow this. Again, it's a rate plant to just
Speaker 2: kind of underplant a larger shrub put at the front
Speaker 2: of the border for a low hedge, just planting one
Speaker 2: on its own. It's one of those plants that just
Speaker 2: plays nicely with others, and that's a good thing. We
Speaker 2: all need those helps us to accommodate the ones that
Speaker 2: maybe are a little bit more aggressive visually aggressive in
Speaker 2: the landscape. But you'll be able to see pictures of
Speaker 2: glow Girl Spyria of course on the YouTube version of
Speaker 2: the show, or just visit Gardening Simplified on air dot
Speaker 2: com and look at the pictures there and all the
Speaker 2: other information. You can also find a list of retailers
Speaker 2: that you can look for this spring to add glow
Speaker 2: Girl brchless Spyria to your garden. We're going to take
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. As we reflect
Speaker 1: on what we learned in twenty twenty four. In Branching News,
Speaker 1: we look at well, something that a lot of people
Speaker 1: experienced in the past year throughout the United States and
Speaker 1: in various pockets, and that is drought, and drought is
Speaker 1: difficult to deal with. And there's a new phrase to
Speaker 1: add to your vocabulary, flash drought. Flash drought. This caught
Speaker 1: my interest, Stacy. In twenty twenty four, they're saying many
Speaker 1: areas experienced this, so it's a phenomenon that's existed for
Speaker 1: many years, but has become more intense and variable in
Speaker 1: recent decades. At least. That's what scientists are saying. While
Speaker 1: a normal drought is caused gradually by a lack of precipitation,
Speaker 1: a flash drought comes on quickly and is caused by
Speaker 1: unusually high temperatures, strong winds, and cloudless days which allow
Speaker 1: increased solar radiation, and this leads to high levels of
Speaker 1: what they call evapo transpiration.
Speaker 2: I hope I'm saying avappo transforation. Yeah, It's crucial concept
Speaker 2: for gardeners understand.
Speaker 1: Absolutely the weather can become so hot so fast that
Speaker 1: it quickly sucks large quantities of moisture out of the
Speaker 1: soil and can lead to major crop losses. Flash droughts
Speaker 1: occurred across the southern United States this past fall, and
Speaker 1: of course we experienced a lot of drought in the
Speaker 1: Ohio area this past year also, and they're saying that
Speaker 1: flash droughts can happen right after torrential rains had soaked
Speaker 1: the region, so many of these folks had near historic
Speaker 1: wetness and then had drought all within sixty to ninety days,
Speaker 1: some meteorologists are saying, and so they're referring to this
Speaker 1: as flash drought. Kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: It is interesting, and it's scary. You know. It's I
Speaker 2: think when it comes to plants and drought tolerance, you know,
Speaker 2: we talk about DNT tolerance, and that just means like
Speaker 2: the plant will survive it. It doesn't necessarily mean that
Speaker 2: it will look good. And you know, I think one
Speaker 2: of the insult to injury part of drought, aside from
Speaker 2: all of the other things that happened for agriculture, is
Speaker 2: you know, you're just looking at your plants and they
Speaker 2: look so sad and all of this. You know, you're
Speaker 2: in high season, you're expecting everything to be beautiful and
Speaker 2: you're full of joy, and the weather just has other plants.
Speaker 2: So it becomes increasingly important, I think, to have plants
Speaker 2: that can withstand, you know, huge extremes like that, and
Speaker 2: you know, like a plant like glob girls Byria, which
Speaker 2: we were just talking about, plants that can tolerate extreme
Speaker 2: cold and extreme heat, because you never know what you're
Speaker 2: going to experience exactly.
Speaker 1: And then here's something for branching news that you shared
Speaker 1: with me, Stacey. The buckets of.
Speaker 2: Doom love the buckets of deal, So do I.
Speaker 1: Five gallon buckets are often a source of standing water
Speaker 1: where mosquitoes can breed, So we're moving from drought now
Speaker 1: to mosquitos breeding. But this simple idea turns that around
Speaker 1: so that the humble bucket becomes your ally in the
Speaker 1: fight for bite free access to your backyard. So maybe
Speaker 1: you've already tried to eliminate mosquitos at their source, cleaning gutters,
Speaker 1: removing containers of standing water, get getting rid of excessive
Speaker 1: mulch and shady areas or dense groundcovers like English ivy.
Speaker 1: But this is where the bucket of doom comes in.
Speaker 1: So the bucket of doom is essentially filling a five
Speaker 1: gallon bucket about halfway full of water and then throwing
Speaker 1: in some handfuls of leaf, litter and straw to let
Speaker 1: it ferment for a couple of days. Now, female mosquitos
Speaker 1: find this concoction irresistible, a place to lay their eggs,
Speaker 1: and in this stew, you're gonna put a mosquito dunk. Now,
Speaker 1: when I was in the garden center industry, we would
Speaker 1: sell mosquito dunks. They are bt I believe it's pronounced
Speaker 1: Bacillis thningensis. And these dunks or doughnuts are put in
Speaker 1: the water, they're cakes or granules. It's a bacteria that
Speaker 1: occurs naturally in the soil and it kills mosquitoes in
Speaker 1: the larval stage. Once the eggs hatch, the wrigglers die
Speaker 1: off quickly. And best of all, it's not toxic to mammals, amphibians,
Speaker 1: reptiles or other insects. And so a recommendation here to
Speaker 1: consider a bucket of doom in.
Speaker 2: You're young, yeah, and you know, so basically what the
Speaker 2: idea here is is that you are making a controlled
Speaker 2: and ideal environment for the female mosquitos to lay their eggs,
Speaker 2: and then creating also an environment where they can't fell it,
Speaker 2: because that's what the BT in the mosquito dunks does
Speaker 2: is it actually prevents the development of the larva. And
Speaker 2: so in the mosquito dunks are really not expensive. They're
Speaker 2: quite inexpensive. I think you get like a pack of
Speaker 2: four for you know, under five dollars, so it's a
Speaker 2: very affordable way to do all of this and you
Speaker 2: don't even have to dump it out because you can
Speaker 2: just leave it. And the scummier and yuckier and muckier
Speaker 2: it gets, the more the mosquitos are going to love it.
Speaker 2: So I don't really have a mosquito issue, you know,
Speaker 2: knock on wood, being in such a dry place. But
Speaker 2: at my father in law's house, he has a terrible issue.
Speaker 2: So I am definitely going to be trying this out
Speaker 2: at his house coming up in twenty twenty five. So
Speaker 2: I know the timing's not great for this handy little tip,
Speaker 2: but try to make a note so that you could
Speaker 2: remember if you have a mosquito issue to try some
Speaker 2: buckets of doom this this coming season.
Speaker 1: I think it's a great idea and we'll put the
Speaker 1: link there at our website, Gardening Simplified on air dot Com.
Speaker 1: So taking a moment here in this segment, Stacy, as
Speaker 1: we look back on twenty twenty four, it's a good
Speaker 1: time also to look at trends. We've talked to before
Speaker 1: about the Garden Media Group and they always come out
Speaker 1: with their garden trends, and this in this coming year,
Speaker 1: they're reminding us that more than a quarter of US
Speaker 1: cities are covered in pavement. So there's a renaissance. It's
Speaker 1: not just an aesthetic appeal to add more plants to
Speaker 1: our cities and increasingly adopt strategies that we weave nature
Speaker 1: holistically into our daily existence. And so they're looking at
Speaker 1: a renaissance theme, a social retreat. And then also an
Speaker 1: other trend that I thought was interesting. They're looking at
Speaker 1: is this place doesn't exist. In other words, there's blurred
Speaker 1: lines there of course, talking about artificial intelligence and the
Speaker 1: shifts towards anti reality, which makes plants and nature's nature
Speaker 1: so much more important to us in our daily lives.
Speaker 2: I mean, it makes sense. This is how it has
Speaker 2: always been whenever there's been some sort of technological advancement,
Speaker 2: there's been sort of a backlash and return to some
Speaker 2: of the best qualities of nature and the way things were.
Speaker 1: And of course I've been having fun. This is another
Speaker 1: trend that they pointed out. I've been having fun creating playlists,
Speaker 1: a Spotify playlist, and of course at the top of
Speaker 1: the list is the Gardening Simplified Podcast. So make sure
Speaker 1: to look for our podcast or look for us on YouTube,
Speaker 1: especially if you're somebody who's out there listening to us
Speaker 1: on radio, which is fine too, but they say grow
Speaker 1: your own way. Music in the garden is important, and
Speaker 1: they share a playlist on Spotify.
Speaker 2: See, I thought you were going to say that what
Speaker 2: was at the top of your playlist was the Gardening
Speaker 2: Simplified theme song, And I was like, wow, that is
Speaker 2: dedication right.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, the actual show itself another trend lived
Speaker 1: in gardens, in other words, a genuine and seasoned esthetic
Speaker 1: for authenticity. And we talked about that this past year,
Speaker 1: that things like wrought iron gates and maybe some planters
Speaker 1: that are you know, have seen better days as opposed
Speaker 1: to the plastic swan.
Speaker 2: Plant ah, the good old plastic swan plant are the cauldron.
Speaker 2: You've got to have all the greatest hits. Well, you know,
Speaker 2: I think, especially as more and more people live in
Speaker 2: newer homes, it makes a big difference to have those
Speaker 2: types of ornaments that have some age, and it gives
Speaker 2: everything a little bit more sense of time and place,
Speaker 2: and you know, it implies that there's a story there.
Speaker 2: And even if you bought something at an antique store
Speaker 2: in a state sale and you don't know that story, well,
Speaker 2: now you're writing your own. And I love that. I
Speaker 2: love things that tell a story in the life too.
Speaker 1: I think stories are so important and they connect us
Speaker 1: as human beings. And you can do that in a
Speaker 1: garden too. It adds authenticity living fences, hedges, and beyond foraging.
Speaker 1: There's still a lot of interest in foraging, and of
Speaker 1: course fresh flower and cutting fresh flowers, and then something
Speaker 1: they refer to as holy molely plants, more interest in
Speaker 1: plants with deep fenestrations, mirroring current fashion trends.
Speaker 2: Deep fenestrations.
Speaker 1: Yes, I know, so I'm thinking like monstera Oh okay,
Speaker 1: been a trend for a long long time, so I'd
Speaker 1: have to admit I don't completely understand that. And then
Speaker 1: they picked the very polarizing color of the year, teal.
Speaker 1: I'm calling it a polarizing color. I think teal is
Speaker 1: a color you either love or you do not like.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, I think most people like it.
Speaker 1: Really yeah. I think it's polarized.
Speaker 2: All right. Well, it's named for the duck.
Speaker 1: It's named for the duck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the duck. There's a duck called a teal and
Speaker 2: the little kind of color bar like a mallard has
Speaker 2: a color bar under its wings. The color of the
Speaker 2: teals is teal, and that's what it comes from. And
Speaker 2: teals are beautiful ducks, really really interesting to see.
Speaker 1: Well, well, any twenty twenty four on that noe, never
Speaker 1: stop learning, Never stop learning. I love it. Put a
Speaker 1: cap on it, put a fork in it, Tap on
Speaker 1: the brakes. That's it for twenty twenty four. Looking forward
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty five, Stacy, meet you, and.
Speaker 2: I hope that you all have a wonderful new year ahead.
Speaker 1: Thanks Adriana, thanks Stacy, and thanks to you for supporting us.
Speaker 1: Look for us on YouTube, podcast or on radio.
Speaker 2: See you next year, See you next year.