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Speaker 1: Hey, gif, Hey Brad, you know there's something we don't

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speak about often.

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Speaker 2: What's that?

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Speaker 1: Jason and d if Surely you can't be serious. They

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were meant for.

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Speaker 2: Us, that's right, and you ought to know that they

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were meant for you. The listeners too, So.

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Speaker 1: Listen to find out who comes out on top of

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this titillating three way they've entered into.

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Speaker 2: It's time for a jewel of an episode of Surely

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you can't be serious?

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Speaker 3: Okay, Jason, I know this, You know we've already done

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what the heck happened? Episode? But just throwing it back,

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can you name me one good thing that came out

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of the movie Batman and Robin.

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Speaker 4: Bat nipples?

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Speaker 3: I said, good thing? Uh, don't say jiggly crotches. No,

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one good thing that came out of No. I really

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I can't know, Okay, So I'm a tell you there

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was a song on the soundtrack that set the Guinness

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Book of World Records for longest single in the charts

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off the Batman and Robin soundtrack Guinness Book World. We

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spent sixty five weeks in the top one hundred charts.

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Speaker 4: That's a long crap time, man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well it just so happened that it was on

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this little album called Pieces of You by Jewel, and

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it's a little song called Foolish Games and you were

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meant for me because they were the A and B

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side of an album, and so they out of the

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soundtrack Foolish Games, Batman and Robin, we get a record

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breaking single.

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Speaker 4: That's fantastic. Man, I can't wait to talk about this one.

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Speaker 3: So, guys, we are here today to talk part two

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of our Menage TOOI of Alanis Morissett and Win Stefani,

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and today we're talking about Jewel, a three way comparison, if.

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Speaker 4: You will, Ladies of the nineties.

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Speaker 3: I am so excited to talk about this album. Every

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single one of these albums I owned in the nineties

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and at some point was in love with the lead

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singer or singer, you know, only singer in all of

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these bands and artists.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, to be a guy our age is to love

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each of these women in their own special way.

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Speaker 3: And this one, I gotta say this one, Jewel, I

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was most in love with because I didn't go for

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the cheerleader. I was for the girl who would write

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in her journal and kind of you know, look sideways

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at the cheerleader girls, and by golly, that's Jewel all

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over the place. And she was also hot. I was

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just like, can she get any better? Oh? Yes, she

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can sing incredibly well. So she's hit me in all

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three buttons. I mean, back in nineteen ninety six as

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well as now. So Jewel, you know, if you're out there,

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if you're watching, hey listen, slide into my DMS. Yeah

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Speaker 4: One of the things that we have talked about before,

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and I don't want to be a pig about this,

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but one of the things we've talked about before, when

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we talk about when we just us beautiful women, one

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of the things that makes their beauty enhanced in our

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eyes sometimes is their imperfections. Yeah, and she has one

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sort of prominent imperfection, but still is.

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Speaker 3: Just endearing to me. I love it. I love her smile.

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Speaker 4: She has a beautiful smile.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay, So Alanus mor Sat Canada yep, Jewel Alaska, Yep.

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We got a we got a couple of girls north

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of the borderline here, I know, right, speaking of people

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mister Kyle Ashley just joined today. We literally saw the

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Speaker 4: This is pieces of You that was released February twenty

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eighth of ninety five.

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Speaker 3: Now that's an interesting subject before we dive into the

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songs here. This album came out in February of ninety five,

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and I don't think I remember listening to it until

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at least ninety seven. I agree with you, I always

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Speaker 4: So it's almost the exact opposite of Jagged Little Pill,

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where you want to Know comes out. K Rock drops

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it and everybody's like, who is this girl? We've got

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to have this album?

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Speaker 3: Nuclear bomb, yes, nuclear Bomb now, but but Pieces of

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You it didn't sell two years to get go years

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stops and restarts and redos.

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Speaker 4: And she was already working on her second album when

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this album started to take traction.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and she has Bob Dylan probably to thank for that.

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Speaker 4: That's a great story. Let's get into it, okay.

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna jump in and thank you Jule for

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putting one of the best songs on the album as

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the first song on the album. And this is the first.

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Speaker 4: Song she ever wrote sixteen years old.

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Speaker 3: This is who will Save Your soul? Your soul when

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it comes to the.

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Speaker 5: Same Also, those lies soul.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I just got to say, you can chalk

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some of this music up to coffeehouse girl. I can't

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agree with you on any of these songs. Like, I

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get that that's where she started, but these songs are

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so well written, and you you know, you grab that

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moment in a person's life when she's sixteen to eighteen

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years old. You're feeling emotions stronger at that age than

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you feel them any other time in your life. Sure

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you haven't been jaded and calloused by how bad life

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can be, but you've definitely been impacted by it. She

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was freaking homeless as she's writing some of these songs,

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playing guitars on the street, living out of her van,

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and writing some stuff that just is mind blowingly complex.

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I mean, I'm thinking she's two years older than my

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youngest daughter and writing songs about how everyone wants to

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be saved by something like everybody's looking for a savior

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and they're all confused about who that savior should be.

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I can pick out a line in almost every one

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of these songs. I mean, all the lyrics are great,

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but this one is so we pray to as many

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different gods as there are flowers. But we call religion

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our friend. We're so worried about saving our souls, afraid

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that God will take his toll, that we forget to begin.

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That's freaking awesome.

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Speaker 4: Sixteen years old when she wrote that, Yeah, so.

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Speaker 3: We prayed a flowers the religion of friend.

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Speaker 4: This is her first song she ever writes. Yeah, and

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it becomes this number eleven smash on the Hot one hundred.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you.

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Speaker 4: So, before we get into this, I'm a hot one

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hundred guy. The Hot one hundred meant something to me.

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This is where it starts to crumble, because there's some

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funny things that happen on the charts, and we'll discuss it.

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But here is your top ten.

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Speaker 3: What year? What's the year?

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Speaker 4: Oh it's ninety six.

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Speaker 3: Ninety six, Okay, So the album comes out February of

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ninety five. So you went through all of ninety five

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and didn't hear it, right, and so win in ninety six?

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Is this August third of ninety six. Almost all of

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Speaker 4: Year and a half.

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Speaker 3: That is a year and a half has gone by

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before this one peaks out.

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Speaker 4: Now, I'll tell you I remember August third, nineteen ninety

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six very well. Okay, because of the day I got married.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So but here's your top ten from August third of

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ninety six. Okay, and this is another reason why I

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started to lose interest in the nineties. Okay, So number

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ten You've got because you loved Me Celine Dion.

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Speaker 3: I actually liked that song.

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Speaker 4: But I mean, Celen Dion's a very gifted singer.

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Speaker 3: And we talked last We talked last week about this

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was the time period for mom rock. Right, it's it's

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mom rock.

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Speaker 4: There's not a lot of rock in this chart here.

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Speaker 4: Number nine is Lounging by El cool j. Okay, remember

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that one, no, No. No. Number eight is The Crossroads by

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Bone Thugs and Harmony.

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Speaker 4: Number six is Give Me One Reason by Tracy Chapman. Okay,

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that's a pretty good one. Number five is I Can't

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Sleep Baby by R Kelly.

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Speaker 4: Number four is California Love by Tupac, probably his best

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known song for mainstream people.

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Speaker 3: Number three is Twisted.

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Speaker 4: By Keith Sweat. Number two is You're Making Me High

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by Tony Braxton, and number one is.

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Speaker 3: The Macarine. That is not a good list.

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Speaker 4: That is not a good list.

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Speaker 3: No. I mean, if you like, if you like rap

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of the nineties and R and B, it's R and B.

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Speaker 4: But it's not there's no rock, there's no there's not

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Speaker 3: No. Yeah, that's kind of crazy, you know. Yeah, so

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I guess we'd move past it at that point. Really, well,

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don't we even have post grunge? In this she talks.

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Speaker 4: About one of the reasons why she feels like she

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succeeded is because she answered the question that grunge posed. Yeah,

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grunge said I'm in pain, what am I going to do?

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So I have heard her talk about this song. Obviously

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she's very grateful to this song. Yeah, it put her

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on the map. It turned her into a superstar, she

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said it. Also, when she listens to it, she says

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she sounds like Kermit the Frog.

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Speaker 3: That's her talking about it. I can, and I know

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the part that yeah no, but I literally, as we

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were listening to it, I was thinking to myself, what

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she does with her voice in this song shows you

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an incredible amount of vocal control and range. I mean,

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she's singing like Kermit, yes a little bit, but she's

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also talking a little bit. She's hitting the higher register,

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the lower register. She's putting all of the emotion into

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the words as well, and a storytelling kind of vibe

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to what she's saying. I mean, it's just she's.

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Speaker 4: Kind of sweet talking a little bit. It's is it rapping, It's.

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Speaker 3: Not rapping, but it's it's got a cadence. Yeah, it's

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got a kind of Aerosmith kind of cadence to it.

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Of a quick paced song. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So here's the story on this song. Okay, so

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and we'll talk about this. But she was raised in Alaska.

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They homesteaded. They had no running water, no central heat.

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Speaker 3: Her grandfather, whose name was Yule Kilcher, Yes, he came over.

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I think he was born in nineteen thirteen, came over

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in nineteen thirty six from Switzerland and he was on

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the Constitutional Convention for Alaska. He was the guy who

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was advocating for homesteading, created a documentary movie, went back

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to Switzerland to try to get people to come out

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in homestead in Alaska. But they had an entire, like

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you said, homestead that grew from that first one hundred

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and sixty acres that you were given back then to

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six hundred and now her dad hosts a show about

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the Alaskan Frontier.

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Speaker 4: It's on the Discovery Channel. Oh, I know, it's incredible,

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it's crazy. And she took her son there and was

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kind of teaching him the ways of the land. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like you said, she grew up without running water.

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She worked the land, she worked the horses, She did

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hard labor on really difficult to work conditions. And we're

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talking about Alaska year. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And you know, you talked about how she was homeless

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for a time, she lived out of her van, and

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that's all true, but that wasn't particularly hard to somebody

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who peed in an outhouse for the first fifteen years

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of her life, you know. Yeah, So she's a tough

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Alaska woman. Now, the story of this song is interesting.

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I don't know if you know a lot about it.

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So when she was young, she was in Alaska, she

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kind of bussed around from Anchorage to Homer and Homer

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to Anchorage, and her family life was a little rough.

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Her dad was kind of tough to live with, kind

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of a tough guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean her mom had abandoned her when she

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was eight. Yes, she actually her aunt, whose name was

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Massi Kilcher, kind of became her surrogate mom. But again

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worked her like she was a hard working lady and

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would had a little bed and breakfast and like Jewel

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had to go make the beds and go clean up

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after people had been in for the bed and breakfast.

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But Massie actually had an album back in nineteen seventy seventies.

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Speaker 4: Said that to me today anyway, it's if.

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Speaker 3: You listen to it, I'm like I can see where

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she was influenced by her aunt singing. It gained kind

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of a cult following in the folk music scene. It's

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not bad album. Like you can find it on Spotify.

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Go check it out, Massi Kilcher.

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Speaker 4: Massi Kilcher.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So her mom and her dad had a little musical

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traveling variety show and they did that while she was young.

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Mom and dad broke up divorced in nineteen eighty one.

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Mom split, Mom decided she would didn't want to be

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a mom anymore, didn't want to do it anymore, and

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so dad was kind of left in charge of these

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three kids, including Jewel and her two other brothers. Mom

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moved to San Diego, kind of was a hippie spiritualist,

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joined a cult, was a little bit out there. So

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Jule she saw like an advertisement for dance lessons and

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she thought, well, I've always kind of wanted to dance,

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and so she went to this dance lesson place in

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Homer when it was a guy who was kind of

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traveling around kind of looking for talent, and he said,

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you're not really a good dancer, but I can hear

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in your voice that you might be a good singer.

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And she's like, oh, yeah, I love to sing. I

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know had a yodel.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So when her mom left, you mentioned that they

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had had a singing Her mother and father had had

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a singing act together. When her mom left, she came

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in and took her mom's place. At eight years old,

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they weren't doing shows at the church, they were doing

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shows at the bar. So she's like, I'm pretty sure

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I'm the only fourth grader who would leave school and

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go straight to the bar and sing my mom's parts

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for this musical show. So she'd been singing since she

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was eight in these shows to make money. Like they were.

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This wasn't for fun, this was because they needed this

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to survive. And she got her hours and hours of

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experience that everybody needs. So by the time she was

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fifteen when she hit the dance school and then she

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gets a scholarship to this interlock In place.

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Speaker 4: She got a half scholarship to interlock In. Yeah, and

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her first year's tuition was eleven thousand dollars, And immediately

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she thought, I don't I don't have two dollars. How

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am I going to do this? And her mom, who

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was there at that moment, was saying, well, let's lay

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it out.

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Speaker 3: You know, what do you need?

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Speaker 4: You need eleven thousand dollars. Okay, what can you do

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to earn eleven thousand dollars? So they came up with

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this idea, We're going to put on a charity like

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in town concert, you know, local talent. Girl Jewel needs

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a money for a scholarship. So they raised about five

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thousand bucks at this little concert in town, and a

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local celebrity came through for her to cover the rest

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of the money to send her to this school. Tom

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Bodette from Motel six, Motel six, Oh my gosh, we'll

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leave the lad on for you. Wow. He was the

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guy who paid the second half, like five grand or

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whatever six grand was to send her to Michigan.

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Speaker 3: Were blowing my mind here, man Tombodette, I mean, I mean,

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she said, Tombodette, and it took me a sad a

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Motel six of their renovated rooms.

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Speaker 1: Motel six is doing its first big special effects commercial ever.

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Speaker 3: Here goes cool. I'm dom Bodette.

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Speaker 1: We'll leave the light on for you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So he was a major contributor to the start of

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her career.

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Speaker 3: Without Tom Bodette, without Motel six, if you've ever stayed

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in a Motel six, you contributed to the success of Jewel.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, so Jewel moves to Michigan and during her

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first year, she's literally the only person there without you know,

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she looks around as private school, you got to have

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money to go here. People's parents are like involved and

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like helping them and like they're buying you books and clothes,

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and so it's a very different experience for her. Every

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time there was a break, she had to find a

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place to go, Like everybody's going home for Christmas, not me.

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Speaker 3: I got nowhere to go. She was the Harry Potter

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of the internet.

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Speaker 4: Kind of true, right, So she managed I think she

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she talked to a professor who was going to be

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out of town and left a key for her that

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was kind of against the rules, but allowed her to

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stay in a safe place anyway. So spring break comes

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around and she's like, what am I gonna do for

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spring break? Can't stay here? Going to lock down the dorms.

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So she decides to hitchhike and hop trains to San Diego.

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Why where her mom's staying. And her mom, you know,

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she breezes through, sees her mom continues on to Tijuana.

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Speaker 3: Because that's what you're gonna I mean, you're in San Diego. Yeah,

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you're seventeen years old.

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Speaker 4: I mean you're a homeless girl, because why why not?

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And then she proceeds to hitchhike around Mexico with her

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guitar and a journal. And that's it.

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Speaker 3: The fact that she survived. That is a miracle in

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and of it.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy. So she writes this song while hitchhiking and

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busking across Mexico.

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Speaker 3: There you go, by the way.

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Speaker 4: The music video it was nominated for like Best Music

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Video of ninety seven. I watched it. It's a nothing video.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of every breath you take like, it's just

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black and white artistic photography style of it. It's not flashy,

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it's not you know, it's her and a guitar. It's

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not Britney Spears.

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Speaker 4: That's true.

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Speaker 3: It's not Brittany. It's the antithsis of Britney Spears.

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Speaker 4: Right, if you wanted to go to this location, you

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need to go to the women's bathroom at the LA

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City Hall, and that's where the video was shot.

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Speaker 3: Why not you got to shoot it somewhere? Why not

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the bathroom a city hall? That's right? Okay, So I

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hate to cut this short because it's actually not sure.

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We've been going on for a while. We got fourteen

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songs in this album. We gotta move on. We got

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to move on. This is a fantastic song. I'm glad

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that we've hit it, but we've got to go on.

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So song number two, Pieces of You.

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Speaker 5: She's an ugly girl. Make you want to kill her?

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She's an ugly girl. Do you want to kick in

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her face? She's an ugly girl. She doesn't interpose a thread.

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She's an ugly girl.

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Speaker 3: So we've moved into a little intensity here. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: When I first listened to song last week or whatever,

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I'd heard it before, but the lyrics shocked me. I

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wasn't prepared for that. Yeah, because of this song, she

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was called homophobic, anti semitic.

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Speaker 3: This is literally a song in defense of these people,

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like this is this is calling out the people who

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do these things.

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Speaker 4: What she is using a couple of slurs, right, but

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her point is you hate these people because you hate yourself. Yeah,

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that's a carled young Yes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's nuts. I mean that's that's literally nuts

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that you would write a song to condemn people who

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think this way and then get accused of thinking that

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way because of the lyrics that you've written.

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Speaker 4: I saw her standing on stage talking about it.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, So that's crazy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this song has a beauty to it, certainly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's beautiful song. And I you know, as we

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were listening to it, some of these songs were recorded

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in the studio, and some of these songs were recorded live.

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And I'm listening to this and just the kind of

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it may just be a reverb effect, but there's a

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hallway sound to it that makes me think it might

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be live. But you don't hear any audience in this.

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But this is a song where the audience is going

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to be absolutely hushed, that's right. I mean, you're not

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going to be cheering at this song, right.

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Speaker 4: I heard her talk about why she does that or

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why she did that for her debut album. Yeah, she

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felt like in studio she couldn't be as like emotional,

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kind of out there, kind of on her game, and

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so those live performances she felt like was a better

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showing of her talent.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And she said the difficulty with working in the

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studio as you're staring at a wall, right. But on

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this album, the parts that were done in the studio

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were done in Neil Young's studio at his ranch, right.

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And the band that would play with her was his band,

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Stray Gators, And she said it was those guys that

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kind of helped push her through this because I mean

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it sounded, from what she said like basically she was

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kind of performing for them, and then she was like,

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I've never done this before, and so I'm like, did

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that sound good? And she said they wouldn't say yes

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it sound good or no it didn't sound good. They'd say,

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what do you think? Did you like it? And kind

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of pushed her to be a judge of her own

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music and the quality of her own music. And if

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she was like I don't know, then they're like, then

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let's do it again. I did hear her say that.

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One time when she first met Neil Young. She walked

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into a room. It was Neil Young and his daughter.

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Speaker 4: His daughter was like eight okay, young girl, okay, okay,

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and she was just trying to kind of strike up

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conversations like, hey, you know that song that you do

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is that in c she said. He looked at her,

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looked down, shok his head walked out. She's like, that's

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really weird, Like he didn't even answer me, and the

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daughter goes, oh, don't worry. He always does that when

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he thinks the question is stupid.

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Speaker 3: Oh I feel much better, Yeah, thank you, thank you.

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Don't worry thinks you're stupid.

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Speaker 4: Yes, okay, all right, next time on the album number three.

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This song is called Little Sister, Your little Sister.

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Speaker 5: I heard you into mister so and so knock knock,

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knocking on.

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Speaker 3: His dog again last night, said you needed in bed.

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You know that, right? All the confusion of a nation

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that starves for salvation. But clothing is the closest approximation

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to God, and he only knows that drugs are all

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we know of love. That's that's solid, that is solid.

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So you love that poetry. And so she you know,

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like I said, she's eight year old kid playing in

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these bars, and so she sees these women that are

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doing things to appeal to men that she is troubled by.

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And then she sees these men who are using alcohol

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and drugs to escape their lives, which is troubling to her.

473
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,759
And why she said, I've never done alcohol, never done drugs,

474
00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:56,200
because I watched what happened with these people, and I

475
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,200
didn't want that to happen to me. That's what this

476
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,240
song is about. Like that crazy for a love that

477
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,440
seems to only come from this illicit substance.

478
00:24:05,519 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 4: You know, I heard her talk about this song. She said,

479
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,599
So she's separated in Alaska, she wasn't exposed to much

480
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,079
pop culture up there at all. So the idea of her,

481
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,480
I mean, she's our age hearing bon Jovi in Alaska

482
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,319
just didn't happen, right, right, So that allowed her to

483
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,480
create her own sound and her own music. Dad had

484
00:24:26,519 --> 00:24:29,799
exposed hers to some of the classics, you know, Joni Mitchell. Yeah,

485
00:24:29,839 --> 00:24:32,720
but in high school she heard Neil Young's song Needle

486
00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:37,240
Damage Done and imagined that character from that song, I

487
00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:39,880
want to take this story further, like what is she like?

488
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 3: Now?

489
00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 4: Who is this girl? And expanded and wrote this song

490
00:24:43,759 --> 00:24:44,640
from that perspective.

491
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's beautiful and haunting. I mean you mentioned

492
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,400
it's got that sound like it's you feel like you're

493
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,240
in a room, right, you feel like you're in a

494
00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:56,640
coffee house room with her. Yes, So I feel like

495
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,440
this definitely could be one of those ones that's not

496
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,319
a studio take. This is one of the live recordings. Okay,

497
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,799
I don't know, but that's what that's that's the vibe.

498
00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 4: I I'm not sure. Yeah, next song on the album

499
00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:06,880
Heavy Hitter.

500
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:22,519
Speaker 3: This song is called Foolish Gapes. He took.

501
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 1: It Stodn't.

502
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:36,279
Speaker 3: You're always crazy? Like Cloud? Okay, let's talk Batman and

503
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:41,240
Robin Where does this song even come in the movie?

504
00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:42,759
Speaker 4: How does it fit on that soundtrack?

505
00:25:44,039 --> 00:25:46,559
Speaker 3: Where in that movie is it appropriate for us to

506
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,200
get this emotionally deep like heartbreaking?

507
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,319
Speaker 4: So we just watched that movie.

508
00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:54,279
Speaker 3: We just watched it. Did you hear it?

509
00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:54,599
Speaker 5: No?

510
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 3: I didn't either. I need to know where it is. Yeah,

511
00:25:57,519 --> 00:25:59,400
I mean maybe they played it in the credits, and

512
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:00,799
I wasn't watching anymore. I don't.

513
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 4: Maybe I just took me three running starts of that movie.

514
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 3: Anyway. So here's the thing.

515
00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 4: So this is where the hot one hundred gets weird.

516
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 3: It does get a little weird. Okay, so this you know,

517
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,079
we're we're going to talk about another song in here

518
00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:15,799
in a minute. And this was the B side to

519
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:16,440
that single.

520
00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 4: That's right.

521
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 3: Basically that single went up, peaked was starting to come

522
00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:23,640
back down, but the DJs wanted to They're like, hey,

523
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,440
B side's good too. They start playing the B side

524
00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:28,880
and then it starts to come back up again. But

525
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,200
with some weird way that the Billboard chart rankings work,

526
00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:35,960
they had to somehow go, well, now that's the A side,

527
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,039
each other's the B side. But by doing that, that's

528
00:26:39,079 --> 00:26:41,880
how this foolish games you were meant for me. You

529
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,480
Were Meant for Me spent so many weeks on the

530
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:47,000
hot one hundred without ever falling out. We talked to you.

531
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,799
You mentioned when we did air supply, we saw the

532
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,960
quickest drop out of the top forty I think is

533
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,079
what it was like, from five to six to forty two. Yes, right,

534
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,680
And with this one, you just it never got out,

535
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,119
just kind of kept hovering in there for over a year.

536
00:27:03,319 --> 00:27:03,839
It's crazy.

537
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,799
Speaker 4: So You Were Meant for Me, which is a song

538
00:27:05,839 --> 00:27:07,599
we're going to talk about here in just a little bit.

539
00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:10,799
It reached number two with Foolish Games as the B side,

540
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,480
as you said, and then as it started to fall,

541
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,759
they flipped those and Foolish Games went back up. It

542
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,240
only made it to number seven, but it gets credit

543
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,039
for hitting number two because it was the B side

544
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,200
on the single for you You Were Meant for Me.

545
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,119
So technically Foolish Games only hits number seven, but it

546
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:27,720
gets credit for.

547
00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 3: Hitting number two. It's really weird.

548
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, by the way, the song that blocked these two

549
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,440
songs from hitting number one, Yeah, Can't Nobody Hold Me

550
00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:37,440
Down by P Didty Puff Daddy or whatever it was,

551
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,920
got R Kelly and P Didty in the same episode. Yes, yeah,

552
00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:43,519
a change in music was happening at this point. Now

553
00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:46,039
I was not familiar with that song, but the number

554
00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:49,720
three song was The Spice Girls. If you want to

555
00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:50,039
be my.

556
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 3: Lover, that's great. Yeah, okay I got two lines from

557
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,960
this one, all right, okay. You were always the mysterious

558
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,799
one with dark eyes and careless hair, fashionably sensitive but

559
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,480
too cool to care. And I hid my soiled hands

560
00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:10,000
behind my back. Somewhere along the way, I must have

561
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,559
gone off track. You've heard these first two or three songs,

562
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,000
and then all of a sudden, it's like, is this

563
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:20,039
the same singer? This sounds like a mature adult singing

564
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,839
this song, like a woman who's had a genuine life experience.

565
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,039
And it's wonderful because this is kind of the her

566
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,480
you ought to know, right this is you were wonderful.

567
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,960
I was madly in love with you, and now you

568
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,000
just seem to be this worthless piece of craft.

569
00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:41,079
Speaker 4: Well excuse me, because some mistaken you for somebody.

570
00:28:41,279 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 3: Can somebody something more like myself less care but it's

571
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:03,440
still heartbreaking. You've got the piano instead of the guitar,

572
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,000
and it's just it's a twist on what we've heard

573
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,400
up until this moment in the album, and I can

574
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,880
tell you in nineteen ninety seven, I was like, hold

575
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,839
the phones, what is this? This is awesome.

576
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,119
Speaker 4: This is the second biggest single of ninety seven. Once again.

577
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,000
This album was released in what February of ninety five.

578
00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:27,119
Beautiful song and the music video on this has kind

579
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,440
of a everything that's blue. It's kind of got that

580
00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:33,000
blue filter on it. But this was the first time

581
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:35,079
I went remember that cute girl from the video in

582
00:29:35,119 --> 00:29:39,160
the women's bathroom. This girl is very beautiful. She dulled

583
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,799
herself up and cut a lot of attention from the

584
00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:43,240
guys in my college classes.

585
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, all right, next song on the album, This

586
00:29:46,079 --> 00:29:53,519
song is called near You Always. He's don't see those

587
00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:59,400
she loves too deeply? They nick my coat.

588
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,119
Speaker 5: Look, don't think you realize the effect you hair? He

589
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:04,920
pull me.

590
00:30:05,359 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 3: Please, don't up with me like that. You've ever been

591
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,240
so in love that it actually hurts? Here it is

592
00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:13,160
in a song. Yeah.

593
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 4: One of the things I like to do more than

594
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,000
anything in the world is go snow skiing. Okay, And

595
00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:21,680
every time I go snow skiing, you end up at

596
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,799
these little Colorado small towns and there's always somebody with

597
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,440
a guitar in a corner singing while you're eating dinner

598
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,920
or whatever. And this song just kind of makes me

599
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:31,880
think of those moments.

600
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, sure, for me, this is this was totally

601
00:30:35,359 --> 00:30:38,279
those moments in high school when you know you're in

602
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:45,039
your first serious relationship and your love for her is

603
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,559
so strong that you feel like your heart's gonna burst

604
00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:51,039
out of your chest every time you even see her.

605
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:53,319
And so yeah, here's the here's the lyric quote for

606
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,079
me on this one. Please don't kiss me so sweet

607
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,720
it makes me crave a thousand kisses to follow. And

608
00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:03,200
these don't touch me like that makes every other embrace

609
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,599
seem pale and shallow. Yep, liquid joy.

610
00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 4: Right now. Okay, I got to tell you the story

611
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,960
about how she was discovered. Okay, after she goes on

612
00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:15,759
her hitchhiking trip, she goes back to the Art Institute

613
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,799
in Michigan. She graduates from there, and after that she decides,

614
00:31:20,119 --> 00:31:22,839
Mom's in San Diego seems like a good place. I'm

615
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:25,680
gonna meander down there and see what's happening. She's like, well,

616
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,440
I've got a van. I'll just live in my van

617
00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:29,839
and I'll go around to these coffee houses and I'll

618
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,200
play music from the old days and I'll earn a

619
00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:34,759
living that way. So she went to a coffee house.

620
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:37,960
When she first got her start in a particular coffee house,

621
00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:40,039
she had her tip jar and then at the end

622
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,160
she went up to the owner and said, well, how

623
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,839
much of the entry fee do I get? And the

624
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,720
owner said, well, you don't get any of that money.

625
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,599
You get the tip jar. I get the entry fee.

626
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,759
And she's like, well that's that's not fair. You know,

627
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,160
I'm the reason why these people are in here. She

628
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:56,799
got upset and told that owner that she was taking

629
00:31:56,799 --> 00:31:59,400
advantage of musicians and that's not right and kind of

630
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,720
a naive dance, but you know, honest. So she found

631
00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:05,519
a coffee house. There's a beautiful little place off the

632
00:32:05,559 --> 00:32:08,279
beaten track. There's nobody there, and she went and talked

633
00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:10,400
to the owner and said, hey, I'd like to play here.

634
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,240
I can sing, but I want a percentage of whatever

635
00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:16,880
I bring into the business. And the owner, with really

636
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,920
nothing to lose, said okay, let's do it. So she

637
00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:22,880
started to play at this little coffee house and she

638
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,920
it was like the old school day. She would go

639
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,960
down the beach and find surfers and pass out little flyers.

640
00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: Name of the coffee house was the Interchange.

641
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,039
Speaker 4: The Interchange. But she would pass out these flyers, and

642
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,319
she got these surfer guys who were probably sweet on her,

643
00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:37,960
you know, and she was a surfer too, like she

644
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:39,960
was surfing, that's right. And she said, come see me play,

645
00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:42,759
and they're like, okay, we'll be there, right, I would

646
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:47,000
have come. Well, next thing, you know, there's a line

647
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:49,279
around the block to see her. And when she was playing,

648
00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:51,240
she wanted to be the center of attention. You know,

649
00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:53,039
She's not going to be in the corner while everybody's

650
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:54,680
talking and eating and socializing.

651
00:32:54,839 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 3: She wanted this to be like a show. You're here

652
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,039
to see me, that's right.

653
00:32:57,119 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 4: And so she would tell people, you know, sit down,

654
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,799
be quiet. If you've got to go to the bathroom,

655
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:02,599
you go between songs, and you don't talk.

656
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 3: While I'm singing Hotly Cow.

657
00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 4: And so she's girls living in her van, yes, homeless,

658
00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:11,240
twenty one crazy and makes these pronouncements. Well, people kind

659
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,960
of became like hardcore fans of Jewel through this nice

660
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,559
and pretty soon record executive was starting to take notice.

661
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a guy named John Hogan who was the

662
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,880
lead singer of a band called Rust, and Rust had

663
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,880
a manager whose name was Inga Weinstein, and Inga Weinstein

664
00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:31,799
was also at Paramount. Anyway, John Hogan says, there's a

665
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,680
surfer girl playing at this coffeehouse and you need to

666
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,559
come see her. And when she came, and obviously the

667
00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:39,480
place was full, the place was totally locked in because

668
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:41,960
she had said this is a show. This I'm not

669
00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:44,119
the side act, right, this is a show, and you're

670
00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:47,279
hear to meeting and established these rules. Well, if you're

671
00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:51,240
a potential manager walking in, you're like, dang, everybody is

672
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,839
locked in at this point. And so she had the

673
00:33:55,079 --> 00:33:58,640
Inga Einstein had the chops at that point to go

674
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,720
not I'm only going to manage you. I'm going to

675
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:03,680
have Atlantic hey for your demo, because she couldn't afford

676
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,640
to pay for a demo, right, and then with the

677
00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:09,639
demo didn't even give Atlantic the first shot, just said okay,

678
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,559
who wants her right and created a bidding war, And

679
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:14,960
there was literally a bidding war for her, to the

680
00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:17,599
point that she was like, you know, I got offered

681
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:21,599
you know, so many whatever dollars, million dollars signing bo

682
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,559
but she said, I had read enough at that point

683
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:25,760
that I knew that that bonus.

684
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 4: Was something I had to pay back, that was an advancement.

685
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,599
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, And so she was like, I didn't take it.

686
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:33,159
I wanted to make my own music. And Atlantic was

687
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:34,920
the one that seemed to me to be the most

688
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,639
sincere about we will let you do what you want

689
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,800
to do. We will let you be you and do

690
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:42,960
your thing. And so that's why she ended up signing with.

691
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 4: So she was wise enough and savvy enough, street wise

692
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,280
enough to say, nope, I'll take it. On the back end,

693
00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:51,840
she said she had a good lawyer and one of

694
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,599
the things in her contract was for every million albums

695
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:57,639
she sold, she earned another point.

696
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,159
Speaker 3: Well, she sold twelve million albums. Yeah, I was gonna say,

697
00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:02,920
I think it's up to fifteen now, but yes.

698
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, so every million she gets more. But at the

699
00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:09,679
time it's kind of a no lose for the record company.

700
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,400
They're like, well, go ahead and sell twelve billion copies

701
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,239
if you can, yea. But she was cheap and so

702
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,760
she knew they wouldn't give up on her. So you know,

703
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,719
she's out there in a van touring around, playing and

704
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,880
they don't care. They're not going to cut her off because.

705
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:24,639
Speaker 3: She's not like her cheap. They're not putting on arena

706
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,360
concerts like it's Van Halen for her. That's right, She's

707
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,800
doing her own gigs. She had a guitar. She was

708
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,880
pulling herself up by her own bootstraps, is what she

709
00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:32,320
was doing.

710
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 4: So one of the things she credits to her success,

711
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,760
she said she played all the time, yeah, everywhere.

712
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 3: And it was not successful like she played. She said

713
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,760
something like six or seven hundred shows and still wasn't

714
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,239
selling albums. And it wasn't until Bob Dylan was like,

715
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,320
I believe in you come open for me, and then

716
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,000
you've got a bought in audience, right like if you

717
00:35:54,159 --> 00:35:56,000
if you're if you're a guy or a girl who

718
00:35:56,159 --> 00:35:58,920
likes Bob Dylan, and then you hear this beautiful young

719
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,760
girl singing songs that are very well written in the

720
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,000
same folky style, you're like, oh, I love this girl.

721
00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:06,760
I want to get this album. This is great.

722
00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's genius. She does something really stupid here in

723
00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:13,159
just a few minutes, we'll talk about okay. She said

724
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,480
she was playing all these shows to kind of get

725
00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:18,480
the album off the ground. And again she's playing cheap places,

726
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:21,000
ten o'clock in the morning type of stuff. So she

727
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:23,840
played high schools, right, and she went to a high

728
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,360
school and she was preparing to play for this, you know,

729
00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:29,320
auditorium of high school kids who don't know who she is.

730
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,360
Could care less. They're out of math class or whatever.

731
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 3: Listening to Sound Garden, right, they don't care. So here's

732
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:35,480
the deal.

733
00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 4: She's in the bathroom stall and she hears a bunch

734
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,480
of girls who are putting on the stick at the

735
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:42,559
mirror whatever and say, oh, man, I love Jewel. Well,

736
00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:46,840
Jewel was a rapper at the time. She's like, scrap,

737
00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:49,599
I am dead meat. She's went out, you know, to

738
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:52,800
a bunch of people expecting Jewel the rapper. Huh, and

739
00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:59,519
you know, here's you know, yodeler. So she also said

740
00:36:59,559 --> 00:37:01,760
one time she played a high school and she started

741
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,239
to play Pieces of You and when you start singing

742
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,519
about ugly girls and geez yep. Yeah, she said that

743
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,280
the whole they just got up and left, like everybody

744
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,079
just took off.

745
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 3: So next time in the album, get ready for an

746
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:26,159
emotional breakdown. This is painters caleft him times long ago.

747
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 5: She was kind of cares we painted his portrait of

748
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:37,559
pass Just Okay.

749
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 3: So I'm in my car earlier this week driving north

750
00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:48,840
on I thirty five, crying like a baby. It's just

751
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,000
so heartbreaking. I mean, you just have this beautiful story.

752
00:37:53,519 --> 00:37:56,239
I mean, it's like the beginning of up right. This

753
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,079
is well before the movie comes out, you know, this

754
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,239
is the beginning of up where you've just got this

755
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,039
this beautiful, happy couple and they've they're in so much

756
00:38:05,159 --> 00:38:08,360
love and their artists and they're painting together, and he's

757
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,159
doing these beautiful things for and all of a sudden

758
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,760
gone yeah. And she's holding him as he goes, saying,

759
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:18,719
don't believe me.

760
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:23,119
Speaker 4: And I'm just like, what's going on.

761
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,679
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have red eyes when I get what are

762
00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:28,960
you doing?

763
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 4: I just listened to Jewel. So here's a quote from

764
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,400
this song from her. Jewel's grandfather, Yule Kilcher, told her

765
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,280
when she was a young kid, painters only paint to

766
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,599
give away, and she said that really stuck with her,

767
00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:47,599
the beauty of giving yourself.

768
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 3: A couple of lines from the song Okay, ready, they

769
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,440
thought blueprints were too sad, so they made them yellow.

770
00:38:56,079 --> 00:39:00,280
That's good. But as he's dying love, I leave, but

771
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,599
only a little. This world holds me still. My body

772
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,639
may die now, but these paintings are real.

773
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:09,199
Speaker 2: There you go.

774
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 3: The art that we create outlasts us. Yeah, and that's

775
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,400
what this song is about it And I just, uh,

776
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:35,159
we too sad they painted them sounds. This is the

777
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,559
This is the undiscovered gem on this album. As far

778
00:39:38,639 --> 00:39:41,320
as I am concerned, I think this is I didn't

779
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,119
mention it. Foolish Games is my favorite song on the album,

780
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:47,280
spiked the football best song on the album. Heartbreaking as well,

781
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,599
but in a different kind of way. But this one

782
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,320
is the This is the underrated song of the whole

783
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,559
album for sure. Next song on the album, and just

784
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:57,599
when you need it, this is morning song.

785
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:07,559
Speaker 5: Let the phone me, Let's go back to sleep. The

786
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,039
world's been outside our there the only one that I

787
00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:19,559
want to see. Tell you boss, you're sick, get back in,

788
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,719
getting cold, get over here and more my hands A

789
00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:27,199
boy's you They love.

790
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,559
Speaker 3: It's a little country sounding Jim That again brings you

791
00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:36,599
to a moment that I hope we've all had where

792
00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:38,239
it's just like, why do we have to go do

793
00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:42,079
adulting things? Why can't we just snuggle and stay here

794
00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:42,840
in bed together?

795
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 4: Man, Get back in bed, boy, I mean you you

796
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:47,559
hear Jewels say that.

797
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,039
Speaker 3: Man, I'm taking my shoes back off. That's back in bed.

798
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:54,519
That's right. And then I did the line, I mean,

799
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,920
just still the genius and you can be Henry Miller

800
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:01,159
and I'll be a nice snin. Except this time it'll

801
00:41:01,199 --> 00:41:05,280
be even better. We'll stay together in the end. Come on, darling,

802
00:41:05,639 --> 00:41:09,280
let's go back to bed. So I bought a Henry

803
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,159
Miller book because of this song. Really yeah, and I've

804
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:14,079
read it multiple times. One of my favorite books now.

805
00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:16,440
But I tried to read a Nice nin but man,

806
00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:18,760
she's got some weird stuff. I couldn't. I couldn't get

807
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,239
into a nice nin but Henry Miller I could. Definitely. Yeah,

808
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:23,639
it's good stuff. That's good.

809
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 4: I did read that she wrote this in a sleeping

810
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,280
bag at three o'clock in the morning, Okay, at a

811
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,719
friend's house after a long night at the coffee shop.

812
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 3: Okay.

813
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 4: So number one, we've got Tombodett to thank for this album.

814
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,440
All right, right, you mentioned Bob Dylan. I want to

815
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,039
talk more about him and here in a second. Okay,

816
00:41:41,079 --> 00:41:44,440
but there's another person that is famous that really deserves

817
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,360
some credit for her success. Okay, it was kind of

818
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,760
a secret love affair, but she dated for a while

819
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:51,760
Sean Penn.

820
00:41:51,679 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 3: Shawn Penn, Yeah, before Robin Wright, after Madonna, kind.

821
00:41:55,559 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 4: Of in between Robin Wright's okay, you know.

822
00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 3: Okay, so but yeah, so your pick fiance is too late,

823
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:09,440
right exactly?

824
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 4: She was, you know, the record producers got her a

825
00:42:14,519 --> 00:42:18,280
guest shot on Conan O'Brien. Okay, And the Cone and

826
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,760
O'Brien show was kind of known for showing early artists

827
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:22,760
before they were famous.

828
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,639
Speaker 3: First time you saw Radiohead was on O'Brien.

829
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:29,079
Speaker 4: So she was on Conan O'Brien and she was back

830
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:31,199
in Alaska a couple of days later at her dad's

831
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,719
house and her dad said, hey, I don't know if

832
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,039
you know this or not, but you've got a prank

833
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:38,679
call here not too long ago. She's like, what's that meaning?

834
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,559
He said, well, some guy called here and was pretending

835
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:43,280
to be Sean Pan, but I hung up on him,

836
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,440
and so luckily Sean Penn, the Sean Pan actually persisted

837
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,840
and kept calling asked to speak with her, and she's like,

838
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:53,679
you know, hello, He's like, hi, this is Sean Pan.

839
00:42:54,119 --> 00:42:56,840
I saw you on Conan O'Brien. I've got a movie

840
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,920
coming up called The Crossing Guard. I like your style,

841
00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:02,440
and I want you to write a song for my movie.

842
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 3: And so this is his pickup line. This is his

843
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,840
pickup exact storyline. Okay, so this guy is so smooth.

844
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 4: Keep in mind, she is baroke, she didn't have any money. Yeah,

845
00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:14,880
she's nobody.

846
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, the album isn't successful yet, right, right.

847
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,159
Speaker 4: But he starts pursuing her, like courting her. And you

848
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,599
know when she's she's six months older than me. Maybe

849
00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:27,079
she's not that old, No, she's a year older.

850
00:43:27,159 --> 00:43:30,039
Speaker 3: She's yeah, she's about a year a year younger than me. Yeah, so,

851
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:34,519
but she's fifty one now, right, and what is Sean

852
00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:36,119
Penn like in his late sixties?

853
00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 4: I think Sean Penn is probably mid sixties, but still,

854
00:43:41,039 --> 00:43:44,119
like that's a decade or more older, decade or more

855
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:44,519
for sure.

856
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:48,159
Speaker 3: When she was twenty one, yes, okay, yeap, just as

857
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,119
long we've got all those math things out there.

858
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:54,119
Speaker 4: She's twenty one, yeah, he's thirty five whatever, all right,

859
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,840
you'd already been with the donna, he'd been through the

860
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,280
crazy yeah, okay, yeah, So anyway, so he's he starts

861
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,719
courting her and he starts like following her. He's like

862
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,519
her guitar tech and stuff like that. As he's courting her.

863
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,519
Speaker 3: He directed one of her videos, right.

864
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:10,119
Speaker 4: He did, which we'll talk about that here in a second, Okay, okay.

865
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 2: But so.

866
00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:16,559
Speaker 4: He's like introducing her to all his famous friends, right

867
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,239
and making her feel like a princess. And he's doing

868
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,159
a great job of coording her.

869
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:22,519
Speaker 3: Okay.

870
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 4: So one time, this just blows my mind. He goes

871
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:31,599
to lunch his friend Warren Batty, who you know's they

872
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,199
shared Madonna, you know, late eighties, early nineties. Ok yeah,

873
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:37,239
I mean they passed her around a little bit, yep.

874
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:41,440
But he says, will you play some of your songs

875
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,920
for Warren Bady? And so she says okay, and she

876
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,880
plays him a few songs and Warren Baty is like,

877
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,599
where did you find this girl? I can't blame him, right,

878
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,079
And so her head is spinning where all these famous

879
00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:55,119
people are noticing her.

880
00:44:55,159 --> 00:44:57,039
Speaker 3: Of course he was in his late sixties back then,

881
00:44:57,679 --> 00:44:58,280
that's right.

882
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,679
Speaker 4: Right, So he takes her to lunch one time and

883
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,559
there's Jack Nicholson and four other ladies including you know,

884
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,000
jewel and like champagne, like drops her off like I've

885
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:12,079
got some stuff I gotta do. Hang out with Jack

886
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:15,199
and these girls, right, And she said she was polite

887
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,599
and he was, you know, a movie star, and he

888
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,039
was Jack and he said, at the end of lunch,

889
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:25,719
he goes, well, ladies, who wants to go with Lingerie's shopping?

890
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 3: I wish I was Jack Nicholson.

891
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 4: I know, right, she said, she politely passed, but the

892
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:40,719
other four were like, let's go, let's go. Must be nice.

893
00:45:41,639 --> 00:45:44,639
Speaker 3: It's good to be the king. That's right, all right.

894
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,039
Speaker 4: Next song on the album, song called Adrian.

895
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:53,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, came.

896
00:45:54,599 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 3: Again last. So this song, it's great, it's a great song.

897
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,239
It does have the Nightmare on Elm Street, Freddy thing

898
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:13,039
going on one two, very little like that. Yes, but

899
00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:17,880
she again, we've this amazing story where she's just given

900
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,599
you little drops of the story as it's going through

901
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:25,079
about a kid who's in a canoe accident and becomes

902
00:46:25,519 --> 00:46:29,840
comatos basically, and little Mary Epperson liked him, and so

903
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,079
she vowed to take care of him. And it's been

904
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:35,679
every day with him, and he never changed, and shears

905
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,480
went by and she became a very lovely woman and

906
00:46:39,199 --> 00:46:40,679
she still visits him on Sundays.

907
00:46:41,079 --> 00:46:43,119
Speaker 4: It's a great story. It's totally false.

908
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 3: It's not real. Yeah, it's just a made up story.

909
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 4: There's a lot of urban legends about this song, about

910
00:46:49,559 --> 00:46:51,880
who is this person? Is this a real story? People

911
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,679
are out there, They got their own little fan fiction

912
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,760
ideas about this. She's like, I just made the story up.

913
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:56,199
Speaker 3: Yeah.

914
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,159
Speaker 4: By the way, I just want to drop this story

915
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,519
right here, okay. As her excess is multiplying from pieces

916
00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:04,519
of you, she starts to get noticed by Hollywood.

917
00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 3: So she gets a call from ang Lee Gretching Tiger

918
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,920
hitting Dragon, Broke Back Mountain. Didn't see that one, the Hulk, Yeah,

919
00:47:11,159 --> 00:47:11,719
Life of Pie.

920
00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:16,159
Speaker 4: There you go, ye famous Hollywood director. He says, I

921
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,480
want you to come in to audition for a part

922
00:47:18,559 --> 00:47:20,639
I've got that I'm thinking of you for what's the

923
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,559
name of this movie? Ride with the Devil's the name

924
00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:22,719
of it?

925
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 3: Okay, susperiod piece. It's like Colonial Days, right, civil war?

926
00:47:26,159 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 4: Civil War? You know you got skeet Ulric in it.

927
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,840
You've got Jim Cavizl's in it. McGuire, Toby McGuire's in it.

928
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,239
Civil war piece. Anyway, So she comes in and he says,

929
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,719
I want you to walk for me. So she's like,

930
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,000
h I wonder what he's looking for. Okay, So she

931
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:44,239
tries to walk sexy. Yeah, he's like, no, much heavier, walk, determined,

932
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,519
walk like you're going somewhere.

933
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 3: She said.

934
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,159
Speaker 4: Then he handed her a watch and said, act like

935
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,320
this is something you've never seen. You don't understand it,

936
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,719
you don't know what it is. She's like, weird, okay,

937
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,079
you know, and does all this you know acting. He's like, great,

938
00:47:57,079 --> 00:47:59,559
you're hired. She's like, I don't know what I'm doing.

939
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:01,679
I've never She's like, I was in a theater class

940
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,320
in high school. She's one of the leads in this movie, right,

941
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,800
and so she's she's fretting about it. She's excited, and finally,

942
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,800
after like two days before shooting, she's finally like, why

943
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,559
did you charge me? He goes, you have period teeth?

944
00:48:18,599 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 3: So thank you.

945
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,599
Speaker 4: I mean, but here's the the honest truth is that

946
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,880
every other actress of her era.

947
00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:32,039
Speaker 3: It's beautiful, have beautiful teeth. So she's got this first cousin,

948
00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:37,840
once removed, named Corianka Kilcher, who played Pocahontas in the

949
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,920
New World or something like that. Yes, that's it. The

950
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,880
New World yes, has Colin Farrell and she's bailing it right,

951
00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:46,960
So she plays Pocahontas. She has perfect teeth. It's not right,

952
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:50,719
like her teeth are beautiful. Oh man, Okay, but and

953
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,719
she's she was in Yellowstone. It's kind of weird that

954
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,079
that's Jules Cousin. Feels nothing alike. Wow, she's like a

955
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,920
native like her ancestry is Native. For they look nothing alike,

956
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:05,159
nothing like. Both very beautiful, but look nothing alive. That's right. Yeah,

957
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,159
but she did not have period teeth. They still put

958
00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:09,800
her in that movie. That's crazy. Yeah.

959
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,559
Speaker 4: Next song on the album is a song called I'm Sensitive.

960
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 3: It doesn't take a talent to be mean.

961
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:24,159
Speaker 5: Words can crush things that a un scenes, so please

962
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:25,800
be careful with me.

963
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:37,559
Speaker 3: Sensit so compared to Jagged Little Pill, this is her

964
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,679
right through You song. Okay, that's a little more hurt

965
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,599
like Alanis's Angry Jewel is like, why are you going

966
00:49:44,639 --> 00:49:46,519
to be so mean? I'm a nice person and I

967
00:49:46,519 --> 00:49:49,239
would like to stay a nice person. Could you please

968
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:49,800
not be a dick?

969
00:49:51,639 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 4: This song was written at age seventeen in nineteen ninety one.

970
00:49:55,039 --> 00:49:57,440
I believe Okay, now I've got a great story for

971
00:49:57,519 --> 00:50:00,199
you on this one. Okay, So the final vocal this

972
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,159
song was recorded at the Inner Change coffee house. That's

973
00:50:04,199 --> 00:50:07,119
her coffee house and the women's bathroom. Oh okay, while

974
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:09,039
she was sitting on the sink barefoot.

975
00:50:09,159 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

976
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,119
Speaker 4: Now, then that wasn't a great story. Here's my great story. Okay, Okay,

977
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,440
my great story is I believe she was at the

978
00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:19,079
nineteen ninety seven MTV Music Awards. Okay, she's walking around.

979
00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:21,199
There's all these famous people. Of course, there's people she

980
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,599
was not exposed to pop culture, so a lot of them.

981
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:25,280
She's like, okay, that person's famous.

982
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:25,639
Speaker 3: Who is that?

983
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 4: I don't really know. Well, somebody kind of sneaks up

984
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,840
behind her and taps her on the shoulder. She turns around.

985
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,800
It's Marilyn Manson. She turns around. She's like, here's this

986
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,559
guy with white contact lenses, looking scary, all goffed out

987
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:39,920
and he leans down. He said, I just want you

988
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,639
to know I really love the song. I'm sensitive because

989
00:50:42,679 --> 00:50:43,760
I think it's a beautiful song.

990
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 3: Great job.

991
00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:46,599
Speaker 4: Wow, Marilyn Manson's favorite song.

992
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 3: Wow. I know, okay, that's great. How about that It

993
00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:55,239
doesn't take a talent to be mean? Your words can

994
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,880
crush things that are unseen. Don't beat dick.

995
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 4: Good advice before we get to this next song. When

996
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,920
Bob Dylan hired her to open for him on his tour.

997
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,239
So when she showed up to this tour, his manager,

998
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,599
whoever it is, his handlers, whatever they say to her,

999
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,519
Bob will not meet you. He will not talk to you.

1000
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,039
He doesn't know who you are. He doesn't care. And

1001
00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:19,480
she's like, oh, well, okay, thank you. Anyway, I'm glad

1002
00:51:19,519 --> 00:51:22,440
to be here. I'll keep to myself whatever you I

1003
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,760
won't be a problem, she said. Day three, he invited

1004
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,880
her to his dressing room and was like, I watch

1005
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,800
you every night. I think you're great. I think your

1006
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,960
songs are great. I think your talent is great. So

1007
00:51:33,039 --> 00:51:35,440
it's like somebody's trying to throw a blocker for him.

1008
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So who was it that we talked about

1009
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:42,079
recently that like, spent the day with Bob. It went

1010
00:51:42,159 --> 00:51:45,880
out on the boat, they drank beers, they had all

1011
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,440
kinds of fun, and the next time he saw he's

1012
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,159
thinking he's going to see his best friend Bob, and

1013
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:55,119
Bob was like, h yeah, Christopher Cross, Yeah, okay. It's

1014
00:51:55,199 --> 00:51:58,880
like the antithesis of that story he doesn't know you

1015
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,000
love you, You're so good and then yeah, wow, all right.

1016
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 4: One of the biggest hitters on the album Let's Go

1017
00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:07,840
to It. The song is called you Were Meant for Me.

1018
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 3: I hear the success a few sparse.

1019
00:52:17,039 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 5: I got my eggs and my pancakes too, You've got

1020
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:21,679
my able.

1021
00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 3: Soon everything with you? Okay. So there are two different

1022
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:27,840
versions of this song.

1023
00:52:28,119 --> 00:52:29,639
Speaker 4: I think there's three different versions.

1024
00:52:29,679 --> 00:52:31,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's multiple versions.

1025
00:52:31,159 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 4: So you've got the album version, then you've got the

1026
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:38,239
radio version, the condensed version of the album version, and

1027
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,079
then you've got this kind of popped up one o.

1028
00:52:41,679 --> 00:52:43,519
They kind of rocked it up a little.

1029
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 3: Bit, das so in after she Love Me and answer.

1030
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 4: In the radio version of you Were Meant for Me,

1031
00:53:13,679 --> 00:53:17,199
she met a friend at a like a spiritual like

1032
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,199
a meditation retreat that.

1033
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 3: Her mom was involved in.

1034
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,599
Speaker 4: Turns out it it was kind of a pretty heavy cult.

1035
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:27,199
But uh, anyway, decided that he was going to play

1036
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,639
on this updated version of the song you Were Meant

1037
00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:30,880
for Me.

1038
00:53:31,079 --> 00:53:31,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1039
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 4: He also happened to play on the song You Ought

1040
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:38,960
to Know Flee Flee Flea plays bass on the radio

1041
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:45,559
edit for this song. Also back Last School, so.

1042
00:53:53,159 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 3: Arguably the two biggest songs on both these albums, and

1043
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:01,360
fleas involved with Wow Wow, Okay, I gotta I gotta

1044
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,079
throw a lyric out here again, Like this whole song

1045
00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:07,000
is gold on the lyrics, It's beautiful. But my favorite

1046
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:09,480
is I called my mama. She was out for a

1047
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:13,039
walk console the cup of coffee, but it didn't want

1048
00:54:13,079 --> 00:54:13,400
to talk.

1049
00:54:14,159 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 4: I love that, So we might as well dive in

1050
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,159
just a little bit right here. Yeah, she talks about

1051
00:54:20,159 --> 00:54:22,960
her mom a lot in her lyrics, and obviously as

1052
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,719
a young child her mom split. For many years now,

1053
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:28,920
she would stay in contact, they would call and they

1054
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,920
would visit, you know, but there was that gaping hole

1055
00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:34,599
in her heart about why doesn't my mom love me

1056
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:35,880
enough to live with me?

1057
00:54:36,119 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 5: Right?

1058
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 4: So when she moved down to San Diego, they kind

1059
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,440
of rekindled some stuff. Plus you know, success, and here

1060
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:44,119
it comes mom.

1061
00:54:44,639 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 3: Okay.

1062
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 4: So her manager was Inga Varstein Mainstein, Finstein Einstein. So

1063
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:55,199
Inga was her manager. She got fifteen percent of her cut. Well,

1064
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:00,400
Jule's mom wanted to also manage, like co manage, and

1065
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:03,239
so Jewel's mom said, well, let's do this. She gets

1066
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:07,079
fifteen and I get fifteen, and Jewel's like, ah, that's

1067
00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:10,480
kind of expensive. I don't really know about that. So

1068
00:55:10,679 --> 00:55:12,960
she said, well, how about we do this. She gets

1069
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,639
ten and you get ten and you eat five. You

1070
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,039
eat five, and I'll eat five. So she's got two managers. Well,

1071
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:22,320
when it's your mother who has a lot of power

1072
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,480
to manipulate you, you can see this coming. But she

1073
00:55:25,639 --> 00:55:31,800
eventually forces Inga out okay, and assumes all financial control

1074
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,280
of Jewel's money from a girl.

1075
00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 3: Who was just a mistake that we were talking about,

1076
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:37,280
the mistake.

1077
00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:40,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was homeless living in her van. All she

1078
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,920
needed was enough food for I mean, Jewel would shoplift

1079
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:47,360
as a young person to eat and to clothe herself.

1080
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,760
So I've got enough food on the table, I've got clothes,

1081
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:53,679
I've got I'm successful.

1082
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:54,760
Speaker 3: I'm good, mom.

1083
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,079
Speaker 4: You handle the finances.

1084
00:55:56,519 --> 00:55:56,760
Speaker 3: Well.

1085
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 4: After a few years, like three or four or five years,

1086
00:56:00,599 --> 00:56:03,719
Inga sues her. The lawyer actually brings Inga and Jewel

1087
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,159
in the room together and says, look, the lawyers can

1088
00:56:06,199 --> 00:56:08,000
get all this money, or we can work this thing out.

1089
00:56:08,119 --> 00:56:11,440
So Jewel and Inga, as former friends, work it out.

1090
00:56:11,559 --> 00:56:13,800
So she agrees to pay her X amount of dollars

1091
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,360
for back payment. Well, Jewel's mom comes in the room

1092
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,440
and says she doesn't have it, and She's like, what

1093
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,800
are you talking about. I'm selling millions of albums. I

1094
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:25,000
have this wonderful contract where I get an additional point

1095
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:26,400
for every million albums I sell.

1096
00:56:27,679 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 3: You don't have it.

1097
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,679
Speaker 4: So she found out she was dead broke after settling

1098
00:56:33,039 --> 00:56:35,159
with a suit with a former friend that her mom

1099
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,360
had helped force out, no money and millions of dollars

1100
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,480
in debt, and even still Jewel kept her on for

1101
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:44,159
a time. No apologies, no I'm sorry.

1102
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 3: We know what happened to the money. Whoosh gone, whoosh.

1103
00:56:47,559 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, here's the interesting thing. So her mom had bought

1104
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:55,760
these other real estate properties, and of course Jewel's out

1105
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,400
there busting her button. Her mom's pocketing all this money.

1106
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,079
But that's true, butts yeah. So one of the things

1107
00:57:04,119 --> 00:57:07,000
that Jewel asked her mom to do, this is post mistake,

1108
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,079
this is post problem, says you have to sell all

1109
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:13,440
these houses. I need this money. I'm broke, yeah, and

1110
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:14,440
you took it all.

1111
00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 5: Ah.

1112
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 4: So her mom looked her, stood up, screamed fine, and

1113
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,519
I'll sell these effing houses. And Jewel said her mom

1114
00:57:21,719 --> 00:57:24,760
never yelled at her, but on that day, she was like,

1115
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,039
I knew once she raised her voice to me, I

1116
00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:29,000
would never see that money and I would never see

1117
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,960
my mom again. And that's exactly what happened. Oh my gosh,

1118
00:57:32,159 --> 00:57:33,840
split never heard from her again.

1119
00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 3: Gone.

1120
00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:37,519
Speaker 4: She's like, I really wanted the love of a mother

1121
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,360
and I would have settled for a hug and I

1122
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:40,880
got neither.

1123
00:57:41,159 --> 00:57:43,079
Speaker 3: So how's her relationship with her dad?

1124
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:44,679
Speaker 4: Her dad has improved?

1125
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 3: Well, what's our next song?

1126
00:57:48,159 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 4: Hang on before we get to that song. Okay, I've

1127
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:52,920
got something to light in the mood.

1128
00:57:53,079 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 3: Okay.

1129
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 4: In this song, she mentions a breakfast with a smiley face.

1130
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, break the yolks make a smiley face.

1131
00:58:02,119 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 4: You remember the last time we saw a breakfast with

1132
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:06,599
a smiley face?

1133
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:14,679
Speaker 3: He was big Adventure. Oh that's canst t zereal. Oh

1134
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,480
my gosh, that's great. All right.

1135
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:18,519
Speaker 4: Next song on the album is a song called Don't.

1136
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 3: Dude Hook to Close dum.

1137
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:31,599
Speaker 1: So Soft.

1138
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,519
Speaker 3: Here's a heartbreaking song about having your heart broken.

1139
00:58:40,719 --> 00:58:44,239
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, Yes, this song's beautiful. I could definitely

1140
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:46,719
see this at a little coffee shop at the bottom

1141
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:47,440
of the ski resort.

1142
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but still it's an emotion that we've all felt.

1143
00:58:51,639 --> 00:58:55,079
It captures that emotion. Oh, I mean, these are the

1144
00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:58,000
first lyrics, but it's the whole. It's the whole song.

1145
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,119
Don't walk too close, don't breathe so soft, don't talk

1146
00:59:02,239 --> 00:59:06,760
so sweet, don't sing, don't lay oh so near? Please

1147
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,559
don't let me fall in love with you again?

1148
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:10,039
Speaker 4: Ouch?

1149
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, like just seeing you. We're not together anymore, and

1150
00:59:16,039 --> 00:59:17,719
I just see you and I just hear you, and

1151
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,079
I just I'm like, I can't let myself fall into

1152
00:59:21,159 --> 00:59:22,039
this all over again.

1153
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:23,519
Speaker 4: Bring me down?

1154
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:26,159
Speaker 3: Man. Yeah, well that's what the I mean. She's she's

1155
00:59:26,239 --> 00:59:29,480
really like, she's taking you all over the emotional gambit

1156
00:59:29,559 --> 00:59:31,840
right here. Man, that's true. That's why I love this album.

1157
00:59:32,159 --> 00:59:34,360
It's a good one. How is her relationship with her

1158
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,719
mom's not so good? How about her dad? This song

1159
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:39,639
is called daddy?

1160
00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 5: What's that sing?

1161
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:51,639
Speaker 2: You know?

1162
00:59:51,800 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 3: Sometimes, as she passed, now, I drink lots of black

1163
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:10,440
coffee and I smoke black chilly. Yes, I left the

1164
01:00:10,599 --> 01:00:17,159
refrigerator a half open. So after her mom left her dad,

1165
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:22,960
it became an alcoholic and was abusive.

1166
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 4: She talked in particular about an instance where she and

1167
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,519
her brother were having an argument like on a Saturday morning,

1168
01:00:29,639 --> 01:00:31,360
like over the remote control.

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Speaker 3: Which cartoon are we going to write?

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Speaker 4: But they knew that if they woke Dad that there'd

1171
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be hell to pay, right, and so it was one

1172
01:00:38,719 --> 01:00:44,840
of those silent fistfights you know, you know that type

1173
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:49,000
of stuff. Well, something happened and they bumped into something

1174
01:00:49,079 --> 01:00:52,239
and it caused a clatter, and Dad called him up

1175
01:00:52,239 --> 01:00:56,960
and they both got smacked around. So it was physical,

1176
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:01,840
but he has since apologies were made and bridges built

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in that deck.

1178
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Speaker 3: I think he got over the alcohol problem and and

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hosting a show on the Discovery Channel.

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Speaker 4: I know that's really cool.

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01:01:08,679 --> 01:01:11,599
Speaker 3: So line from the song you know sometimes I want

1182
01:01:11,639 --> 01:01:14,960
to bash in your teeth, Daddy. I'm gonna use your

1183
01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:18,039
tongue as a stamp. I'm gonna rip your heart out

1184
01:01:18,239 --> 01:01:23,159
the way you did mine, Daddy, Go ahead and psychoanalyze that.

1185
01:01:24,719 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 4: I do have one funny story about her dad. Yeah,

1186
01:01:27,719 --> 01:01:33,679
aad so being a single dad in Homesteady, Alaska. They

1187
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,559
made a decision, And tell me this isn't the ultimate

1188
01:01:36,679 --> 01:01:37,400
guy decision.

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01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,159
Speaker 3: I know what we're gonna do with people.

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01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 4: We're gonna simplify our alive by buying one type of

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01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:47,599
soap for everything, so she said, So he made the decision,

1192
01:01:47,719 --> 01:01:50,880
we're no longer going to buy shampoo, laundry detergent and

1193
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,079
body soap and dish soap and dish soap. So they

1194
01:01:54,199 --> 01:01:56,639
just bought Irish spring. That's what she washed her.

1195
01:01:56,559 --> 01:01:58,159
Speaker 3: Hair with, Irish Irish spring.

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01:01:58,239 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 4: He they like made like shards, like scraped off shards

1197
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:02,719
of it to wash their clothes with.

1198
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Speaker 3: What they did in the commercial is woodlin a bar soap,

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iron spring and next whistle.

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Speaker 4: That's that's pretty strong potent smelling too, all right.

1201
01:02:16,159 --> 01:02:21,159
Speaker 3: Her dad's name, by the way, we haven't mentioned is Attila, right,

1202
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,960
it's it's a Tila. Now he goes by atsts. Yeah,

1203
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,599
she calls him os. Yeah. But they have made amends.

1204
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,880
She's been on his show with her son going through

1205
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,920
you know, kind of a ceremonial. You're turning seven, you're

1206
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,440
now you're a man, but you're moving from childhood to

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01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:40,400
towards man.

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01:02:40,639 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 4: That's right, all right. Next song on the album song

1209
01:02:43,000 --> 01:03:13,000
called Angels standing by. This one sounds like a church hymn.

1210
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like angels. It sounds like a choir

1211
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,920
of angels. It's just too it's two voices but beautiful,

1212
01:03:20,039 --> 01:03:23,400
and that she's playing the harmonics on the guitar, which

1213
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,039
is what gives it that kind of bright, shiny sound.

1214
01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:29,239
And it's it's interesting because it's not available on the

1215
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,519
whole guitar. It's just unique spots. And so she's made

1216
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:36,119
a song with those notes. It's impressive. It's impressive, beautiful. Yeah,

1217
01:03:36,239 --> 01:03:37,320
like you said, it's like a choir.

1218
01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1219
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 4: You know what they call Jewel fans like devotees.

1220
01:03:42,599 --> 01:03:47,119
Speaker 3: Uh, everyday angel every day Angels. Yeah, I think somebody started.

1221
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,519
I think they have like a it's called a fan

1222
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:54,000
club or a coalition of some kind called Everyday Angels, Yeah,

1223
01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:56,639
which she's not actually a member of, but she's done

1224
01:03:56,719 --> 01:04:00,920
concerts for him. Did something called Jewelfest Forum or jeel Fest. Yeah.

1225
01:04:01,639 --> 01:04:01,800
You know.

1226
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 4: She married Ty Murray, who was like the Michael Jordan

1227
01:04:05,559 --> 01:04:09,599
of bull Riding Cowboy. I thought this was really interesting.

1228
01:04:09,679 --> 01:04:13,760
When she met him. She was in Denver passing through

1229
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:14,599
had a concert.

1230
01:04:14,639 --> 01:04:16,639
Speaker 3: It was like, I like rodeos, I'll go to the rodeo.

1231
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 4: She got in touch with him. They were going to

1232
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,679
share some sort of charity event or something like that,

1233
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,559
and when she met him, she knew her dad would

1234
01:04:25,559 --> 01:04:28,559
be mega impressed that she knew the Michael Jordan of

1235
01:04:28,599 --> 01:04:32,760
bull riding right, and then ultimately they started to date.

1236
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:34,960
They fell in love, got married, had a kid, and

1237
01:04:35,079 --> 01:04:37,519
we're married from twenty eight to twenty fourteen.

1238
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 3: I think so you're saying she's single, she's single, Juli.

1239
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:45,119
If you're out there, slide into my i DS came up.

1240
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:52,199
Speaker 4: Oh, yes, that would be fun. She have to do

1241
01:04:52,239 --> 01:04:52,920
an intro for us.

1242
01:04:55,199 --> 01:05:01,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see if all right. Best song on the

1243
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:05,079
album this, I mean, we think we've heard some vocal

1244
01:05:05,239 --> 01:05:07,360
range before. Get a load of me.

1245
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:07,639
Speaker 5: Now.

1246
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,039
Speaker 3: Last song on the album, this one's called.

1247
01:05:13,519 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 5: And Some Can't Tell the de from City More.

1248
01:05:57,519 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 3: I think I just found my favorite part. Sang yeah.

1249
01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:04,519
So we just to be clear, I don't make that clear.

1250
01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:07,159
Jump to the end, jump to where she's singing I'm

1251
01:06:07,199 --> 01:06:11,119
in and hallelujah, and I might have failed to mention this.

1252
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,960
She went to interlock In Academy. She studied op opera

1253
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,239
and this is where you hear it, and it's like

1254
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,119
you can hear, you can hear. At the beginning of

1255
01:06:20,159 --> 01:06:22,360
the song, when she's singing the regular lyrics, she comes

1256
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:25,960
down into her lower register by the end, she is

1257
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:30,559
singing that soprano. Oh my goodness, it sounds like Ave Maria.

1258
01:06:30,679 --> 01:06:33,519
I mean, it's just it'll make the hair on your

1259
01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:36,239
arms stand up. It's so beautiful. And this is interesting

1260
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,159
to me because I mentioned, you know, she her aunt

1261
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,760
kind of adopted her when her mom left, but taught

1262
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,800
her things. And last video and I sent you a

1263
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:47,800
video that I don't think is that old. Her aunt's

1264
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:51,599
still live eighty years old and still turning along, working

1265
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,159
like a horse. And so I thought, well, you know,

1266
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,239
her aunt had an album in seventy seven, and she

1267
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,639
probably learned things from her aunt. She didn't start playing

1268
01:06:59,639 --> 01:07:03,159
guitar until she was at inter Locking. She was sixteen

1269
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:07,800
before she started playing guitar. She's written these incredible songs.

1270
01:07:08,039 --> 01:07:10,480
I mean, some of them are very simple chord progressions,

1271
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,960
but some of them are not. And if you listen,

1272
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,760
you don't hear a lot of drums. But the benefit

1273
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,960
of that is she's able to do things that classical

1274
01:07:19,079 --> 01:07:22,280
music does, which is speed up and slow down as

1275
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,599
the emotion takes her to that spot. And she said

1276
01:07:24,639 --> 01:07:26,920
this was also the wonderful thing about working with the

1277
01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:29,639
Stray Gators is that they could do that with her,

1278
01:07:29,679 --> 01:07:32,920
they were such talented musicians that they could pace themselves

1279
01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:37,440
at her pace, right, But the beauty of the singing

1280
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,159
and this song is just amazing.

1281
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 4: So just to kind of put a bow on this, Yeah,

1282
01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:47,559
she puts out this incredible folk album. Obviously she's capable

1283
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:50,400
of doing opera, she does pop. She has a song

1284
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,920
called Intuition that is a top ten hit in two

1285
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,960
thousand and three, I think where it's dance pop.

1286
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a little weird for me to see

1287
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,280
her doing that. I wasn't upset at the time because

1288
01:08:01,679 --> 01:08:04,440
she's looking good. She's getting sprayed with a fire hose.

1289
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,159
You know, she's looking good. But it's not what it's

1290
01:08:07,239 --> 01:08:09,280
not the music that I wanted to get from Jewel.

1291
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,239
I watched the video, but I didn't. I did not

1292
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:12,000
buy that album.

1293
01:08:12,519 --> 01:08:15,159
Speaker 4: Well, after that, she shifts into country.

1294
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I mean we talked about some of these

1295
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:19,319
songs have got the very country appear they do.

1296
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 4: And then she puts out a very successful, super successful

1297
01:08:23,079 --> 01:08:25,119
like Lullaby, like a children's album.

1298
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,640
Speaker 3: Has done a Christmas album. Yeah, I mean she's and

1299
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:31,000
has acted since that Angle thing, just you know, she

1300
01:08:31,119 --> 01:08:36,600
broke through with her teeth, but she she's played June

1301
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:42,000
Carter Cash and she's played like a murder mystery in

1302
01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:45,319
some Hallmark yhows. I mean she's doing a lot of

1303
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:54,000
She's she's a very intelligent, very talented, very beautiful. I

1304
01:08:54,079 --> 01:08:56,199
mean she's got to go gifted, she's got it going all.

1305
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 4: And I just saw a video she posted a couple

1306
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:00,840
of days ago on Instagram where I think she's in

1307
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,640
Tell your Ride, she's hiking. She's like here I am,

1308
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:05,960
I'm on the track. You know she's dirty, dusty.

1309
01:09:06,159 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, she doesn't have to be beautiful in the I

1310
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,640
mean she's posting videos with no makeup and her hair

1311
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,520
is all scraggly and a beanie ball cap and yeah,

1312
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,279
she doesn't care. I love it.

1313
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:17,079
Speaker 4: I know, right, super cool.

1314
01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, that's it. So that's number two of

1315
01:09:20,039 --> 01:09:24,039
our Menagetois of the nineties Ladies. Next week we are

1316
01:09:24,119 --> 01:09:28,439
coming back with No Doubt Tragic Kingdom Hold Onto Your Butts.

1317
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:32,520
Speaker 4: Fifteen tracks on that album, I think all good.

1318
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 3: Like so far, two albums. Not a single skipper, I know,

1319
01:09:37,199 --> 01:09:38,079
not a single skipper.

1320
01:09:38,199 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 4: Great songs in the nineties. Yeah, come back next week,

1321
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:42,159
see you guys. Then, thanks guys,