WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:03.799 Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is 2 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:05.719 not intended for all audiences. 3 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:08.519 Listener discretion is advised. 4 00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:14.640 Oh, for fuck's sake, are you still alive? 5 00:00:16.120 --> 00:00:20.359 Yes, it's been like about twenty minutes, so I think 6 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:22.760 it's I think it's time we finishes fucking drop bitch. 7 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:31.600 All right, beach, get your popcorn ready, because we've got 8 00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:35.799 some old school Sword of Scale bullshit coming your way. 9 00:00:36.479 --> 00:00:40.359 This one's gonna give you a little nostalgia episode pretty 10 00:00:40.399 --> 00:01:35.120 twenty here we go. We sure do love to talk 11 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:40.319 about Florida here. It's kind of my thing, probably because 12 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:43.840 that's where all the nutbags go to do their nut baggery. 13 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:49.040 But there's another state in this great Union that's a 14 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:53.040 haven for psychos, weirdos, and straight up degenerates that are 15 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:57.560 looking for a place to hide in plain sight. And no, 16 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:03.040 I'm not talking about California. Anchorage is Alaska's largest city, 17 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:07.640 but it isn't these sprawling metropolis the Lower forty eight 18 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:12.520 might expect. It's a place of contradictions, a city of 19 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:16.759 modern industry and glass towers, yet still haunted by the 20 00:02:16.840 --> 00:02:22.919 lawlessness of the frontier. Here the wilderness isn't just beyond 21 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:27.919 the city limits. It lurks in the streets, in the shadows, 22 00:02:28.719 --> 00:02:33.560 in the hearts of those who hunt. Tourists pass through, 23 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:38.919 snapping photos of moose and suburban neighborhoods, never seeing the 24 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:45.719 harsher reality beneath the postcard perfect city scape. Anchorage has 25 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:50.639 a problem, a problem that thrives on Spinnard's sidewalks, in 26 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:55.000 the shadows of the Midtown mall, and in the encampments 27 00:02:55.039 --> 00:02:59.639 that spread beneath the Glenn Highway overpass. A problem that 28 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:04.479 makes victims of the vulnerable, where survival isn't just about 29 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:09.000 and enduring the cold, but also the violence that comes 30 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:17.639 with being unseen. A problem we've talked about here many times. 31 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:26.280 Homelessness, Alaska native disappearing, gone dead, and then next thing 32 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:29.599 you know, if you hear mona. 33 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:34.719 News, the crisis is impossible to ignore. In the winter, 34 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:39.319 the cold kills. In the summer, the streets swell with 35 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:44.360 the unhoused, people searching for shelter, safety, or simply the 36 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:45.479 next moment of peace. 37 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:50.840 And this population is preyed upon by people who want to, 38 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:53.360 you know, harm them in some way, taking any resources 39 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:57.479 they may have. They're very, very vulnerable population. 40 00:03:58.240 --> 00:04:04.199 Among them Alaskan Native people are disproportionately represented. Is that 41 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:08.800 what they say represented? It's a nice Karen like way 42 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:12.400 to say it when you aren't close to it. It 43 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:16.480 severs them from the land their ancestors thrived on and 44 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:19.519 leaves them to navigate a city that too often turns 45 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:25.839 its back on them. The reasons are many, generational trauma, displacement, 46 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:31.040 addiction is a big one, and poverty. But the result 47 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:35.000 is the same, a population visible and invisible at the 48 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:40.759 same time, ignored until something terrible happens. And in September 49 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:48.199 twenty nineteen, something terrible did indeed happen. It started with 50 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:49.199 an SD card. 51 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:51.879 Yes, it's brilliandad pictures. 52 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:56.800 Okay, so it's got pictures of a homicide. Yeah, okay, 53 00:04:56.839 --> 00:04:59.439 how do you know that? 54 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:01.720 And where did you find it? 55 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:03.079 I found it on the ground. 56 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:05.560 I thought there was music on it, so I put 57 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:07.800 it in my phone see if they had some music 58 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:08.079 in it. 59 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:11.120 There was no music on it. Now it was titled 60 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:14.560 there's a title on it. It says homicide and it has 61 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:18.279 all these pictures of this lady and it shows to 62 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:19.480 Mary out hotel. 63 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:24.680 The responding officer arrived at the medical clinic on Lake 64 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:29.560 Otis Parkway, where he met Valerie Castler. The call came 65 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:34.160 in as a suspicious circumstances report, prompting a quick response 66 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:39.800 from law enforcement, but the officer remained objective, neither discounting 67 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:44.639 her claim nor fully believing it. You see, the idea 68 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:47.920 that someone would find a random SD card with photographic 69 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:54.759 evidence of a homicide was far fetched, say the least, 70 00:05:55.360 --> 00:05:58.040 more far fetched than thinking it was real was the 71 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:01.959 idea that whoever took these photos would be careless enough 72 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:03.199 to lose them. 73 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:07.879 There's videos on it, and on one of them. He 74 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:10.920 even told her. He leaned us in this hotel alive. 75 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:15.199 You couldn't end up making me murdering. I was like, 76 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:15.959 holy shit. 77 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:20.759 The officer had seen plenty of hoaxes before. He braced 78 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:25.800 himself for another, But then the first image loaded. He 79 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:29.399 scrolled through the pictures on the SD card. Each photo 80 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:34.240 was more gruesome than the last. Very quickly, he started 81 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:38.480 to believe every word. Valerie said, this is very disturbing. 82 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:40.079 Yeah it is. 83 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:43.759 The officer didn't let it show, but the videos and 84 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:46.360 images on the SD card were some of the most 85 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:50.480 disturbing he'd ever seen. He knew this warranted an investigation 86 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:54.399 and that detectives would want to speak with Valerie. A 87 00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:57.360 short time later, she sat down in a small gray 88 00:06:57.439 --> 00:07:01.839 room at the Anchorage Police Department, where Detective Lee sat 89 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:05.680 across from her. The tiny woman wrapped in layers of 90 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:10.839 worn clothing into it at long nights in the cold. 91 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:12.120 And how about what address I needed to come talk 92 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:12.319 to you? 93 00:07:12.519 --> 00:07:15.319 I will I'm homeless. I lived in the rooms by 94 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:16.759 shiloh Okay. 95 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:23.040 Her face was lined with exhaustion. She'd spent years navigating 96 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:27.120 a system designed to forget women like her, but today 97 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:31.720 she was holding something no one could ignore. On the 98 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:36.240 night of September twenty eight, twenty nineteen, Valerie Castler was 99 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:42.360 walking through Anchorage near the Car's Grocery store on Thirteenth Avenue. 100 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:45.360 She often searched the area for discarded items, such as 101 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:48.839 broken cell phones, and picked up items she thought had 102 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:53.160 a little bit of value. That night, she found a 103 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:55.519 small SD card on the ground. 104 00:07:56.120 --> 00:07:58.519 Yeah, I saw a cool life on another sc card. 105 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:01.000 Maybe there's more music going because I found him a 106 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:03.040 couple of months ago and had like three. 107 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:04.480 Hundred ty my songs on it. 108 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:08.079 Yes, D card was not like the last one. 109 00:08:08.519 --> 00:08:11.959 There were no music on that card shows some voice 110 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:16.120 shit on there, and it's been freaking me out, okay, 111 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:18.800 because I can't seem to get the pictures out. 112 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:19.199 Of my head. 113 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:24.920 The imagees haunted Valerie ever since she saw them. She'd 114 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:30.399 been having nightmares. Still detectively needed her to describe what 115 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:31.040 she saw. 116 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:32.080 Okay. 117 00:08:32.159 --> 00:08:34.639 It showed her in the hotel room on the floor 118 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:37.879 and he's beating her up, he's slapping her seph and 119 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:38.799 he's talking to. 120 00:08:38.840 --> 00:08:39.759 Her the whole time. 121 00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:44.440 And then on the videos, you can't see no face. 122 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:50.080 He doesn't have no face, but he's his accents is 123 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:52.960 like polish, it's foreign. 124 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:53.720 Okay. 125 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:55.519 What was he saying? 126 00:08:57.120 --> 00:09:00.799 Some of them would be like, well, this is chapter one, 127 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:05.799 like chapter one, chick one. 128 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:09.320 And then there was one where. 129 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:11.559 He says some no, you must want to get murdered 130 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:14.279 tonight because you're not leaving this hotel. 131 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:15.159 Because I'm gonna murder you. 132 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:16.320 Okay. 133 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:20.080 He's like slapping her, fondling her, and. 134 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:22.519 She's not really. 135 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:27.399 Seeing anything. She's not making no noises or anything. 136 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:32.559 Instead of music, Valerie was met with something holy unexpected. 137 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:37.159 Actually scrolled through the contents of the card, she saw 138 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:40.960 a series of images and videos depicting what can only 139 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:44.240 be described as torture and murder. 140 00:09:44.919 --> 00:09:49.840 And then the one that I presume that where he 141 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:53.240 killed her is he had to sing around her and 142 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:55.519 act it looked like a wire or some. 143 00:09:56.960 --> 00:10:00.279 And then next year, you know he he it was 144 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:05.799 like he crosses them and then you hear this, and 145 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:09.559 then it's like she wasn't moving or any anymore or anything. 146 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:12.720 She said she had the card for two days, but 147 00:10:12.759 --> 00:10:16.879 a couple of reasons kept her from coming to the police. First, 148 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:21.320 she was distrustful of them because of her troubled past. 149 00:10:21.799 --> 00:10:23.720 She didn't want to get into trouble, just trying to 150 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:28.039 do the right thing. Second, she wasn't even sure if 151 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:31.720 the contents of the SD card were even real. People 152 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:35.519 have been known to act out some crazy sexual fantasies. 153 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:38.399 Because it looks like to chill the sound and he's 154 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:40.720 got her body in the back. 155 00:10:40.519 --> 00:10:41.240 Of the trush. 156 00:10:42.279 --> 00:10:43.960 How come he did in college right away when you 157 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:44.320 saw it. 158 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:45.960 I don't know. 159 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:47.919 I don't know, judge know anything. 160 00:10:47.919 --> 00:10:48.480 I'm not alumni. 161 00:10:49.279 --> 00:10:51.039 It's just a question week it's gonna come up. 162 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:55.200 I didn't even know if it was real or or okay. 163 00:10:55.399 --> 00:10:59.080 Or if Sony was Jesus staging something because I've been 164 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:01.519 listening to the news and watching the news, and I 165 00:11:02.440 --> 00:11:05.639 didn't hear anything on the news about a woman missing, 166 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:09.399 or you know, or them finding a body or anything. 167 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:11.519 So I wasn't I wasn't sure. 168 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:14.519 But the more I thought about it, and I couldn't 169 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:18.080 go to sleep at night, I was having nightmares. And 170 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:22.320 then I started thinking, well, it should be real, you know, 171 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:26.200 just because if they haven't found a body doesn't mean 172 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:30.120 that it didn't really happen, because it should do. 173 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:34.279 Some Sure, she watched the news and read the papers 174 00:11:34.279 --> 00:11:38.840 every chance she got, waiting to see the headline body found. 175 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:42.919 She hoped she never would. Then she could believe it 176 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:47.440 was all fake. But the longer she sat with those 177 00:11:47.480 --> 00:11:51.240 images in her mind, the more she thought they had 178 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:51.919 to be real. 179 00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:54.799 And you said you could hear the male's voice, could 180 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:57.000 you ever see any part of his body and anything? 181 00:11:57.240 --> 00:11:57.519 No? 182 00:11:57.519 --> 00:11:59.320 No, no face at all? 183 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:02.399 She just feet. What does he look like? 184 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:05.960 There's one on there where he's got his foot on 185 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:09.240 her throat, and then there's another one. 186 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:13.480 Where it's just it looks like it's going in the hotel, 187 00:12:14.679 --> 00:12:18.240 and the hotel floor is like hard word floor. 188 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:20.840 And he's got like a pair of few. 189 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:26.279 Shoes or slippers or something. Okay, but why you hear 190 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:31.639 his his voice and he's talking to her, just rambling on, 191 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:35.159 you know, and then there's parts in there where Oh, bitch, 192 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:37.440 you get your ass feet because you can drink all 193 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:40.919 my alcohol. Bitch, I gotta go find another bitch because 194 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:46.679 you're a viet non cooperative that she never moved. 195 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:50.240 In the videos, a man with an unfamiliar accent is 196 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:54.919 seen beating, berating, and torturing a woman in a hotel room. 197 00:12:55.559 --> 00:13:00.480 The woman is completely naked and seemingly unconscious. Her face 198 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:05.279 is swollen, her lips are bruised and purple. Her left 199 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:09.679 eye is swollen shut with blood trickling from under the lid. 200 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:12.840 The man calls her names and stands on her neck, 201 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:17.480 all while filming it, seemingly for an audience. 202 00:13:17.960 --> 00:13:20.039 Can you describe the female play for race slush in 203 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:21.399 the way? 204 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:22.960 Okay? Do you think she was? 205 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:24.919 I don't know. 206 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:26.080 It looks like she has. 207 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:33.519 Because she's Valerie didn't know the woman, not that she 208 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:37.000 could have recognized her with all the swelling anyway. The 209 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:41.240 only elites were a strange accent, an accidental photo of 210 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:44.480 the man's shoes, and the photo of his truck. 211 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:47.240 All I want to know is when you do guys 212 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:49.200 find it out? Can you let me know? 213 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:50.639 Yeah? 214 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:52.519 Yeah, no, I can, Yeah, I can let you know 215 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:52.879 kind of. 216 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:56.600 I'd like to know her name if you find out 217 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:59.919 who she is, because you know, she's finally related. 218 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:02.200 She is somebody out there that I know. 219 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:02.559 You know. 220 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:07.679 Y SD card showed everything, the torture, the suffering, the 221 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:12.360 final moments of a woman's life, but it didn't show 222 00:14:12.399 --> 00:14:16.679 her name. She wasn't in any of the missing persons reports. 223 00:14:17.639 --> 00:14:21.200 No one was looking for her. The investigation had hit 224 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:29.279 a dead end until the US Marshal recognized her face, battered, swollen, 225 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:34.320 but familiar. He reached out to a corrections officer at 226 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:39.879 Highland Mountain Correctional Facility for confirmation she had been processed 227 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:46.240 there before. Her name was Kathleen Henry. She was thirty 228 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:52.559 years old, five foot three, with long black hair. Like Valerie, 229 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:57.279 she had spent years trapped in a rotation of homeless shelters, streets, 230 00:14:57.320 --> 00:15:01.480 and survival. Her family last saw her in August at 231 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:05.240 a shelter. After that, she was seen in Fairview, a 232 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:10.200 rough part of town where Anchorage's homeless gathered. She was struggling, 233 00:15:10.279 --> 00:15:17.200 but she was alive. Then she wasn't. On October tewod, 234 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:21.039 nearly a month after her murder, railroad workers made a 235 00:15:21.080 --> 00:15:25.759 grisly discovery. Kathleen's remains were found near mile one oh 236 00:15:25.759 --> 00:15:30.240 eight of the Seward Highway. Her body was already decomposed, 237 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:35.240 partially taken by the wilderness. Animals had scattered her remains. 238 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:40.000 Her fingers and toes were missing, her left foot was gone. 239 00:15:40.399 --> 00:15:43.759 A red bag sat nearby, tangled with strands of her 240 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:50.080 long black hair and scalp. Kathleen Henry's life didn't end 241 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:54.000 the day she was murdered. It ended long before that, 242 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:58.720 when the world stopped seeing her. Her death was the 243 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:03.960 inevitable result of broken system, one that cycles vulnerable women 244 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:08.200 through jails and shelters but never offers them a way out, 245 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:14.159 a system where the unhoused commit crimes of survival, shoplifting 246 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:21.120 for food, sleeping in abandoned buildings, resorting to prostitution, yeah 247 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:27.440 not sex work, prostitution well, predators hunt them in the shadows. 248 00:16:28.120 --> 00:16:32.720 She was one of the many lost, forgotten, and disposable 249 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:36.879 in the eyes of society, and the terrifying truth is 250 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:43.120 there are countless others like her. Look around, how many 251 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:49.039 more Kathleen Henry's are out there right now waiting to 252 00:16:49.120 --> 00:17:24.720 be found. The Anchorage police found themselves in possession of 253 00:17:24.759 --> 00:17:29.240 an SD card with evidence of murder. The videos showed 254 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:33.359 the final moments of Kathleen Henry's life, but they didn't 255 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:37.079 show the man behind the camera, and without a suspect, 256 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:41.880 all the evidence in the world meant nothing. Police knew 257 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:47.200 Kathleen hadn't just disappeared, she had been erased. There is 258 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:52.000 no missing persons report, no family is searching for. Only 259 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:55.119 the system recognized her because it had seen too many 260 00:17:55.160 --> 00:18:03.440 women like her before, processed, incarcerated, relief forgotten. And that 261 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:08.640 wasn't unusual. Indigenous women in Alaska are murdered at rates 262 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:13.759 ten times higher than the national average. When homelessness is 263 00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:19.519 added to the equation, the risks multiply. Kathleen's body confirmed 264 00:18:20.039 --> 00:18:23.759 what they already knew. Now they needed to find the 265 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:26.680 man who put her there, and the SD card was 266 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:31.039 about to give them their first clue. When homicide detective 267 00:18:31.119 --> 00:18:34.519 David Cordy was assigned to the case, he didn't immediately 268 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:38.880 know why the case seemed so familiar, but after reviewing 269 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:42.839 the videos. He started to recognize the man's method of violence, 270 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:50.519 the control, the torture, the strangling. Kathleen Henry's murder wasn't random. 271 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:57.920 It wasn't a heat of the moment crime. It was planned, controlled, performed. 272 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:02.119 The footage ested that the man behind the camera had 273 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:06.920 done this before. A year earlier, Detective Cordy worked on 274 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:09.880 another case where a woman reported that her boyfriend had 275 00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:15.440 dark and disturbing sexual fantasies. At first, she was into it. 276 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:17.200 I like rough sets. 277 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:19.920 If you put your hand on my neck, I like 278 00:19:20.039 --> 00:19:22.079 that you can press down a little bit. Dusk did 279 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:24.839 try to kill me on and break your nose, your nosing, and. 280 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:28.279 He did a little too far. 281 00:19:28.960 --> 00:19:33.480 A couple of days ago, Alicia Youngblood, an Alaskan native, 282 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:37.799 met this married man at work and before long started 283 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:42.640 seeing him. It was a sexually charged relationship from the start. 284 00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:48.880 They shared taboo fantasies and rough sex scenarios. Alicia thought 285 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:52.480 it was innocent role play until he shared a video clip. 286 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:55.559 He told me he killed her two or three days ago. 287 00:19:55.839 --> 00:19:59.319 He showed me the video until last night, and then 288 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:05.759 the pictures. The pictures are her breast and she's grabbing 289 00:20:05.799 --> 00:20:09.279 them so hard. I mean, like really hard that they're 290 00:20:09.319 --> 00:20:12.680 coming up and they're they're what is that called fatiguing 291 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:15.359 and veined, and he's got them so hard that the 292 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:16.319 blood is pulling. 293 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:20.519 This wasn't the SD card. This was a year before 294 00:20:20.599 --> 00:20:22.960 Valerie Castler would make her discovery. 295 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:25.400 He said he was standing over her like this and 296 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:30.559 he felt like a a hunter standing over his kill, 297 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:34.319 like a lion over zebra. And he said he just 298 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:37.440 sat there and puffed his chest out, and he just felt. 299 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:39.119 So in power. 300 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:43.119 I keep seeing him over and over doing that to 301 00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:46.680 that girl, and I could hear her bodily fluids as 302 00:20:46.680 --> 00:20:50.079 he's scamming, you know, and he's slapping down on her legs, 303 00:20:50.079 --> 00:20:54.359 and you know, she's just so lifeless. That could have 304 00:20:54.440 --> 00:20:58.640 been any of our little girls that he thought it 305 00:20:58.680 --> 00:20:59.799 was okay to fish. 306 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:00.480 He's dead. 307 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:03.359 Him showing you this video is that kind of his? 308 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:05.920 Does he his rocks off that? Or did anyone to 309 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:06.559 have sex with you? 310 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:09.720 Is? Yeah? He would tell you with me okay, And 311 00:21:09.759 --> 00:21:12.000 I had to pretend like I liked it. 312 00:21:12.079 --> 00:21:13.000 Did he say why. 313 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:17.599 He did it to us? To release anger, to vent 314 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:19.000 to get it out of you? 315 00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:23.200 He showed her pictures and videos of a woman who 316 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:28.720 looked dead. He wasn't just into rough sex. He claimed 317 00:21:29.480 --> 00:21:30.119 he killed her. 318 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:31.720 And he just looked at me and. 319 00:21:31.640 --> 00:21:36.519 He's like, you know, I I kicked her real hard 320 00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:38.920 in her pussy, trying to break her bone so I 321 00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:41.200 could get that whole fist in there. But that bone 322 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:44.599 is tough. He's like, you would not believe how how 323 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:46.640 tough a pubic bone is. He said, I put my 324 00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:49.039 foot lay up in there, and I was like, oh yeah. 325 00:21:49.240 --> 00:21:50.000 He's like yeah. 326 00:21:50.839 --> 00:21:57.680 He said that when she died, everything released, she pooved 327 00:21:58.039 --> 00:22:01.839 or whatever, and her opened up, he said it, and 328 00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:11.160 he he's he made his mouth like this, and he 329 00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:13.920 grabbed my finger and he said I just would have 330 00:22:13.920 --> 00:22:20.640 felt like okay, So wouldn't y'all believe him if you 331 00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:21.960 were on the other side of this. 332 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:25.680 Wine needs you to believe that he's inside her after 333 00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:26.400 she passed. 334 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:27.799 That is that what you're saying is. 335 00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:30.440 That, yeah, he was fit with our hands. 336 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:33.920 He said he didn't put his penis center, but a 337 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:35.200 water bottle his hands. 338 00:22:35.240 --> 00:22:36.720 He said he we got butter out of the fridge 339 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:38.279 and put. 340 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:39.920 That helps my two fingerprints and helps him get his 341 00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:42.960 hand in there because he wants to put fist in there, so. 342 00:22:42.920 --> 00:22:44.039 He got butter out of the fridge. 343 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:48.240 The water bottle I didn't see, but I did ask him, like, 344 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:49.720 why are your hands so shiny? 345 00:22:50.279 --> 00:22:50.480 You know? 346 00:22:50.480 --> 00:22:52.200 He's like, that's butter. I got better. 347 00:22:53.559 --> 00:22:56.279 As soon as she saw the images, she tensed up. 348 00:22:57.039 --> 00:22:59.039 You have to understand just weave and goes in love 349 00:22:59.079 --> 00:22:59.599 with this smith. 350 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:04.200 Suddenly all her love for this man was replaced with fear. 351 00:23:05.000 --> 00:23:08.279 But she couldn't let him know that, so she kept 352 00:23:08.279 --> 00:23:10.839 playing along, as I haven't do things to me. 353 00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:15.880 That proved my loyalty and trust. Does that make sense sexually? 354 00:23:16.559 --> 00:23:20.960 Like put myself in a position that made me vulnerable 355 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:24.759 and he thinks that because I've done that that I 356 00:23:24.839 --> 00:23:28.200 trust him, and now he trusts me. And hey, you're 357 00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:30.240 about to see these text messages. I want you to 358 00:23:30.319 --> 00:23:33.000 remember that I am playing into this. I am not 359 00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:37.640 a sick person. I am not enjoying any of what 360 00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:39.119 I told him. 361 00:23:39.640 --> 00:23:43.400 She thought they were indulging in taboo fantasies, but as 362 00:23:43.400 --> 00:23:45.519 soon as he showed her how far he was willing 363 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:50.000 to go, Alicia got scared, but she was on his 364 00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:54.079 good side, bonded through the kinky sex, so she kept 365 00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:59.400 playing along for her safety. She faked jealousy. She scolded 366 00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:02.039 him for being with another woman. Even if he did 367 00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:05.519 kill her, he now had to make it up to her. 368 00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:09.200 Alicia told him he wasn't allowed to do this again 369 00:24:09.640 --> 00:24:14.119 unless she was there too. So you are role playing 370 00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:16.960 into the park and you would like to be part 371 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:18.200 of this next event? 372 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:21.680 Yeah, and his ultimate fantasy at this point. Okay, then 373 00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:22.799 I'm telling. 374 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:26.200 You when it comes to sexual drives, and tell you 375 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:27.079 what this man has. 376 00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:32.400 I've never seen anyone and maybe a fourteen year old boy, 377 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:36.200 but who cannot quit playing with his self. I mean 378 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:41.640 he's his every waking moment is about says, and really, 379 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:43.680 you know, I knew he had fetishes. 380 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:47.079 Is he sadistic? Does he like pain and torture on people? 381 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:48.119 Or does he just yes? 382 00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:53.240 Alicia believed what he showed her was real and it 383 00:24:53.319 --> 00:24:56.200 scared the shit out of her. She played along, but 384 00:24:56.920 --> 00:25:00.839 not just for her safety. She wanted proof so she 385 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:04.759 could go straight to the cops. Unfortunately, she didn't have 386 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:08.559 copies of the images or the video. All she had 387 00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:12.640 were some filthy text conversations that didn't prove anything. 388 00:25:13.279 --> 00:25:14.680 I know what I saw is reel. 389 00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:17.559 It had been better, but I saw his face, you know, 390 00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:20.039 but I know what I saw is reel and I 391 00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:21.920 know that him telling me about it Israel. 392 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:26.400 Apparently there's other clips. I believe you almost one hundred percent. 393 00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:28.319 I never believe everybody one hundred percent. 394 00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:28.599 Never. 395 00:25:28.759 --> 00:25:30.759 I haven't met a person on a Platt's one hundred 396 00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:31.960 percent troot ball tea. 397 00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:36.119 But right now, as far as concrete, fracts and evidence. 398 00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:36.440 We have very little. 399 00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:38.000 We have your text message, accid. 400 00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:39.400 We need more. 401 00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:40.200